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| mjg59 | crimsun: Core 2 Macbook Pro - no sound with current feisty kernel. What do you need? | 12:39 |
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| crimsun | mjg59: the realtek issues are in my queue (mentioned to Ben yesterday when I emailed him the first batch) | 12:49 |
| mjg59 | crimsun: Winning, thanks! | 12:49 |
| crimsun | sigmatel, too. | 12:49 |
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| TheMuso | c | 01:05 |
| LaserJock | TheMuso: oh no, not this again | 01:06 |
| TheMuso | LaserJock: heh | 01:07 |
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| pochu | mdz: do I leave open bug 84992 (apport) | 01:15 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 84992 in apport "Apport not working due to network problem" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84992 | 01:15 |
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| Eons | hi, does anybody know if nvidia-drivers are ok in feisty? last time I used them, they crashed when an app went fullscreen | 01:31 |
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| jdong | could a archive deity perform backport bug 83554? | 01:37 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 83554 in edgy-backports "KTorrent 2.1" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83554 | 01:37 |
| jdong | (high demand) | 01:37 |
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| Kano | so tested a kernel without IDE support and PATA full active. on P965 and P865 no problems - but with former selection | 01:39 |
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| Kano | formerly problematic | 01:44 |
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| jdong | Kano: sweet, that's awesome to hear :) | 01:48 |
| Kano | btw not my systems | 01:49 |
| Kano | but others reported it | 01:49 |
| jdong | aww Kano , no Core 2 Duo at your disposal? :) | 01:49 |
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| Kano | http://kanotix.com/files/fix/kernel-update-pack-noide/source/changes.tar.gz | 01:50 |
| Kano | jdong: no, x2 | 01:50 |
| Kano | abi change for generic only | 01:50 |
| Kano | precompiled for etch too, but i think you would not use that ;) | 01:51 |
| Kano | as long as mc does have problems with changing into long dir names (not always, but too often), i prefer etch | 01:52 |
| Kano | have no idea what the problem is with feisty | 01:52 |
| Kano | btw. that test changes are very extreme, maybe use it only for testing | 01:54 |
| Kano | enabled experimental drivers too | 01:54 |
| Kano | no problems ripping audiocd here, that has been problematic with old pata code | 01:54 |
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| Kano | i tested it on nforce3 | 01:55 |
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| stub | Launchpad will be going down in 15 minutes for a scheduled code update. Estimated downtime is 15 minutes. | 04:35 |
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| fabbione | morning | 05:46 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 07:32 |
| Burgundavia | morning dholbach | 07:33 |
| dholbach | hey Burgundavia | 07:33 |
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| dholbach | hmmmm, shiny usplash on amd64 | 08:02 |
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| tfheen | argh, when did ubuntu-desktop become uninstallable? | 08:03 |
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| kwwii | dholbach: just pushed a new usplash - the final one it seems :-) | 08:14 |
| dholbach | kwwii: yoohoo :) | 08:15 |
| kwwii | now that is a good way to start the day ;-) | 08:15 |
| dholbach | kwwii: uploaded | 08:19 |
| kwwii | dholbach: excellent, thanks :-) | 08:19 |
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| Kagou | hi | 08:29 |
| tfheen | dholbach: are you sure? I can't see it. | 08:33 |
| dholbach | usplash-theme-ubuntu 0.12? | 08:33 |
| tepsipakki | sweet i810 and -modesetting are about to merge -> -intel | 08:33 |
| dholbach | i definitely uploaded it | 08:33 |
| dholbach | Successfully uploaded usplash-theme-ubuntu_0.12.dsc to upload.ubuntu.com. | 08:33 |
| dholbach | Successfully uploaded usplash-theme-ubuntu_0.12.tar.gz to upload.ubuntu.com. | 08:33 |
| dholbach | Successfully uploaded usplash-theme-ubuntu_0.12_source.changes to upload.ubuntu.com. | 08:33 |
| dholbach | tfheen: I can re-upload if you like | 08:35 |
| tfheen | dholbach: hmm, weird, it's not in unapproved | 08:35 |
| tfheen | dholbach: please. | 08:35 |
| dholbach | done | 08:36 |
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| dholbach | tfheen: better? | 08:39 |
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| tfheen | no, I need to investigate. | 08:40 |
| tfheen | but first I need to pop out for an hour or so. | 08:41 |
| dholbach | kwwii's mail address is Kenneth Wimer <wimer@kde.org> and I sponsored with my usual key | 08:41 |
| dholbach | hmmh | 08:41 |
| dholbach | I think we're seeing this only with sponsored uploads, right? | 08:41 |
| dholbach | ok see you later | 08:41 |
| dholbach | brb | 08:46 |
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| robitaille | Anyone knows the actual title of sabdfl at canonical? ceo? president? person in charge? | 09:01 |
| mdke | "Mark"? | 09:04 |
| kwwii | boss-man :p | 09:04 |
| robitaille | I'm trying to be factually correct for a fridge article. Right now I have "the man behind Ubuntu and Canonical" :) | 09:04 |
| mdke | "founder of Ubuntu" seems to appear on the Linspire press release | 09:06 |
| Lure | robitaille: CEO, according to other news sites: http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=20495&hed=Linux%3A+Ubuntu+Founder+On+Microsoft+%E2%80%9CChallenge%E2%80%9D+ | 09:06 |
| kwwii | sounds better than "Fearless leader of merry men" | 09:06 |
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| robitaille | Lure...I have seen CEO before, but never in actual ubuntu sites...and his official bio doesn't say. | 09:07 |
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| mdke | CEO is also on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanonicalStaff. no doubt someone who actually works at Canonical will answer your question :D | 09:08 |
| pitti | Good morning | 09:09 |
| pitti | ugh, why is my desktop so damn slow after yesterday's dist-upgrade? | 09:10 |
| dholbach | pitti: what especially? | 09:11 |
| crimsun | if you're experiencing audio glitches and hitches in the mouse cursor movement, try stopping apport. | 09:11 |
| pitti | dholbach: switching desktops, typing characters into terminal/xchat etc. | 09:11 |
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| pitti | crimsun: hm, mouse works fine, and apport is not running ATM | 09:12 |
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| dholbach | pitti: i wondered myself - I did a fresh install on my new amd64 and expected it to be blatantly fast, but ... hm - I'm not so very much impressed right now :) | 09:13 |
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| pitti | dholbach: I switched from nvidia to nv yesterday (new kernel didn't yet have lrm), and it got a little slower; but today it's really sluggish... | 09:14 |
| dholbach | i usually use nv | 09:14 |
| mvo | freedom lover! | 09:15 |
| dholbach | yeah | 09:16 |
| pitti | dholbach: nv with Xv is broken at least for me (comb effect), but mplayer with SDL backend works fine | 09:16 |
| pitti | dholbach: I just can't use Totem with nv, but that's something I can live with | 09:16 |
| dholbach | hmmm strange | 09:16 |
| dholbach | totem works fine for me (xv with nv) | 09:17 |
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| pitti | dholbach: even fullscreen? | 09:23 |
| pitti | dholbach: as soon as I scale a video to more than, say 1.5 times the original size, I get huge comb effects | 09:24 |
| pitti | hmm, X.org uses 100% cpu if I merely scroll down some lines in a terminal | 09:25 |
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| cjwatson | tfheen: process-upload is commented out in lp_queue's crontab, which is why usplash-theme-ubuntu_0.12 isn't appearing. Do you know why? | 09:46 |
| cjwatson | I see the publisher's commented out too | 09:47 |
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| tfheen | cjwatson: no idea. | 10:09 |
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| tfheen | cjwatson: do you have any idea why /testing/feisty_probs claims ubuntu-desktop is uninstallable? It's not from a freshly bootstrapped chroot. | 10:20 |
| cjwatson | tfheen: it says that linuxprinting.org-ppds is uninstallable, so I'd start there | 10:23 |
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| cjwatson | tfheen: IIRC from conversations yesterday that was being changed to openprinting-ppds, so maybe just a metapackage update is needed | 10:23 |
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| tfheen | : tfheen@golem ~ > apt-cache show linuxprinting.org-ppds | grep Task | 10:24 |
| tfheen | : tfheen@golem ~ > | 10:24 |
| tfheen | so it's not part of ubuntu-desktop any more. | 10:24 |
| cjwatson | ubuntu-desktop still depends on it here | 10:24 |
| pitti | cjwatson, tfheen: I changed the seeds yesterday | 10:24 |
| tfheen | argh | 10:24 |
| tfheen | pitti: you need to upload -meta too. | 10:25 |
| pitti | cjwatson, tfheen: but yesterday's foomatic-db upload reintroduced the old names as transitional packags | 10:25 |
| tfheen | can you do that now? | 10:25 |
| cjwatson | pitti: ... which apparently are uninstallable | 10:25 |
| tfheen | pitti: yes, which C/F/R the old ones. | 10:25 |
| pitti | that's why I didn't bother with a -meta upload, since it's not too important | 10:25 |
| pitti | ah, indeed | 10:25 |
| pitti | tfheen: sorry; doing now | 10:25 |
| cjwatson | fixing openprinting-ppds' Conflicts to be versioned << first-transitional-version would be good too | 10:26 |
| cjwatson | (and -extra) | 10:26 |
| cjwatson | Replaces should probably be versioned too | 10:26 |
| pitti | right | 10:26 |
| === pitti does that as well | ||
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| pitti | cjwatson: http://paste.stgraber.org/60 | 10:32 |
| pitti | cjwatson: (had to change Maintianer: too, my local dpkg already refuses to build the previous one) | 10:33 |
| pitti | tfheen: ^ ok for uploading? | 10:33 |
| tfheen | pitti: yes. | 10:35 |
| tfheen | pitti: and if we have to set original-maintainer, it should be possible to just set it sans | 10:35 |
| pitti | tfheen: foomatic-db, {,k}ubuntu-meta uploaded, edubuntu-meta in the works | 10:35 |
| tfheen | X-SBC-blah | 10:35 |
| cjwatson | it should? will it appear in the .dsc if you do that? | 10:36 |
| pitti | tfheen: how so? | 10:36 |
| cjwatson | I would have thought dpkg-gencontrol would ignore i | 10:36 |
| cjwatson | t | 10:36 |
| pitti | only XS- will make it appear in the .dsc | 10:36 |
| tfheen | pitti: having to add X-SBC-headers to anything we upload is crack. | 10:36 |
| tfheen | it should then just be a regular header in dpkg. | 10:37 |
| pitti | B is not strictly necessary since pkgbinarymangler does it, but it ensures consistent local builds | 10:37 |
| cjwatson | oh you mean "should" as in "ought to, in the future" | 10:37 |
| tfheen | cjwatson: yes. | 10:37 |
| pitti | ah, sure | 10:37 |
| pitti | tfheen: this topic will appear on tomorrow's distro team meeting anyway, I have some things to discuss about it | 10:38 |
| tfheen | pitti: goodie | 10:38 |
| pitti | tfheen: edubuntu-meta is up | 10:39 |
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| tfheen | kwwii,dholbach: I just rejected the second usplash-theme-ubuntu which showed up. No need to get worried about getting both an accept and a reject mail. | 10:47 |
| tfheen | kwwii,dholbach: JFYI. | 10:47 |
| dholbach | alright | 10:47 |
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| Riddell | pitti: would you be able to do another kubuntu-meta update, I had to change the seeds to save size but the source to your recent upload isn't on launchpad yet | 10:53 |
| pitti | Riddell: sure | 10:53 |
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| pitti | tfheen: xubuntu-meta updated as well (oh my, this was very out of date) | 10:55 |
| tfheen | pitti: cheers | 10:55 |
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| giftnudel | Is there a good point to start when a "make" fails but a second "make" (without anything else) succeeds? | 11:00 |
| dholbach | Happy HugDay! | 11:00 |
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| pitti | Riddell, tfheen: new kubuntu-meta uploaded with Jonathan's recent change | 11:03 |
| tfheen | pitti: ook | 11:04 |
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| ogra | OH CRAP ! | 11:15 |
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| jsgotangco | crap indeed | 11:17 |
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| ogra | pitti, i see you did a lot of -meta uploads, are you planning to do edubuntu as well ? | 11:21 |
| pitti | ogra: I did | 11:21 |
| ogra | ohg, my evo filter sorted it wrong | 11:22 |
| ogra | indeed | 11:22 |
| ogra | thanks :) | 11:22 |
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| ogra | seb128, bug 76632, any idea why the socket isnt there ? | 11:27 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 76632 in gnome-screensaver "screen does not unlock after locking" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76632 | 11:27 |
| ogra | (third last comment) | 11:28 |
| seb128 | ogra: we moved it to /var/run | 11:28 |
| ogra | ouch, ok | 11:28 |
| ogra | i'll check gss .... | 11:28 |
| seb128 | I didn't realize gnome-screensaver was using it, sorry | 11:28 |
| ogra | me neither :) | 11:28 |
| seb128 | ogra: it must have /tmp/.gdm_socket hardcoded | 11:29 |
| ogra | looks like | 11:29 |
| pitti | urgh | 11:29 |
| seb128 | change it to /var/run/.gdm_socket | 11:29 |
| ogra | i'll fix | 11:29 |
| pitti | seb128: that smells like an easy gdm DoS | 11:29 |
| seb128 | pitti: what do you mean? using a socket? or storing it to /var/run? | 11:29 |
| pitti | seb128: hardcoded file names in /tmp | 11:29 |
| ogra | src/cut-n-paste/gdm-queue.c:#define GDM_SOCKET_FILENAME "/tmp/.gdm_socket" | 11:30 |
| ogra | tsk | 11:30 |
| tfheen | seb128: why .gdm_socket? Hidden files are ugly. | 11:30 |
| seb128 | pitti: well, now they are hardcoded to /var/run :p | 11:30 |
| pitti | seb128: that's fine, /var/run is only root-writable | 11:30 |
| seb128 | tfheen: I was thinking the same, I'll change it for "gdm_socket" but after herd4 | 11:30 |
| seb128 | or do you want gdm and gnome-session changed now? | 11:30 |
| tfheen | seb128: no, after herd 4 is fine. | 11:30 |
| seb128 | ok | 11:30 |
| tfheen | but I'd like a working gss now. | 11:31 |
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| tfheen | ogra: ^^ can you do that now? | 11:31 |
| seb128 | tfheen: ogra is on it apparently | 11:31 |
| ogra | tfheen, uploading | 11:33 |
| tfheen | cheers | 11:34 |
| seb128 | tfheen: I've done a gnome-cups-manager upload which install the .desktop at the correct place so it's listed by the new control-center shell (with a fixed category) if you want to approve it for herd4 | 11:35 |
| tfheen | seb128: accepted. | 11:36 |
| seb128 | thank you | 11:36 |
| ogra | pitti, bug 85006, seems there is a bashism in hal | 11:37 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 85006 in gnome-power-manager "gnome-power-manager and gnome-brightness applet not changing brightness" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85006 | 11:37 |
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| pitti | ogra: that was fixed in hal 0.5.8.1-4ubuntu3 three weeks ago | 11:39 |
| pitti | ogra: thanks for the pointer, I dup it to 68617 | 11:39 |
| ogra | pitti, ah, ok, sorry for the noise then | 11:39 |
| ogra | yeah | 11:39 |
| ogra | pitti, and husghsie asked me if we plan to ship hal-info in feisty | 11:40 |
| pitti | ogra: no worries, thanks for the pointer -- one bug less :) | 11:40 |
| pitti | ogra: ~/ubuntu/hal/hal/build-tree/hal-0.5.8.1$ find -name hal-info* -> no hits | 11:41 |
| ogra | strange ... he knows which version we ship .... is it a separate source ? | 11:41 |
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| janimo | ogra, apparently yes http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=hal-info.git;a=summary | 11:42 |
| ogra | aha | 11:43 |
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| ogra | thats a lot of fdi files ... | 11:44 |
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| ogra | which incorporate some of our patches even .... nice | 11:45 |
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| K-Rich | i think there is an isure with the archives.ubuntu.com servers .... i keep getting tcp hits from archive.ubuntu.com on random ports in the 40000 - 60000 range. | 11:48 |
| K-Rich | s/isure/issue | 11:48 |
| ogra | pitti, i think it makes sense to have these extra fdi files ... but they will clash with some of our existing hal patches | 11:48 |
| pitti | ogra: aaaah | 11:49 |
| tfheen | mjg59: would it be painful to make usplash use 16bpp images and/or would it break suspend/resume? | 11:49 |
| pitti | ogra: you mean the hal-info git repo | 11:49 |
| ogra | yep | 11:49 |
| pitti | ogra: the hal upstream release is the hal plus the hal-info git repos combined | 11:49 |
| tfheen | K-Rich: what are the source ports? | 11:49 |
| ogra | aaah ! | 11:49 |
| pitti | ogra: it's just separate that guys like us can commit to hal-info, but not to hal | 11:49 |
| pitti | s/that/so that/ | 11:49 |
| ogra | so we actually ship it | 11:49 |
| pitti | ogra: yes, of course | 11:49 |
| pitti | these FDIs are very important | 11:49 |
| pitti | ogra: I regularly submit new music players as git patches against hal-info and such | 11:50 |
| K-Rich | tfheen, one sec | 11:50 |
| ogra | well, some of our patches look a bit different ... | 11:50 |
| pitti | ogra: sorry, I thought you meant a new program hal-info | 11:50 |
| pitti | ogra: right, that's mostly because 0.5.8.1 is really ages old | 11:50 |
| pitti | upstream should really do a new release | 11:50 |
| ogra | well, since i never heard of it before hughsie asked i didnt know if its a program or what :) | 11:50 |
| pitti | then we can drop 80% of our giant patch collection | 11:50 |
| ogra | would you pull it into feisty ? | 11:51 |
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| pitti | asac: I would love you forever if you could take a look at bug 81207; I'm lost with that... | 11:52 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 81207 in apport "webbrowser fails to open for system crash when it runs as root" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81207 | 11:52 |
| pitti | ogra: you mean using hal-info git head and rebasing our patches? well, if it helps us to fix some bugs, sure | 11:53 |
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| pitti | ogra: but I guess that would need to be accompanied by source code patches | 11:54 |
| pitti | hi tkamppeter | 11:54 |
| ogra | pitti, i meant a new upstream :) | 11:54 |
| tkamppeter | hi, pitti | 11:54 |
| asac | pitti: looking | 11:54 |
| pitti | ogra: oh, not sure; it has the potential for a lot of bug fixes, but also a lot of regressions; it's a core part of our system now... | 11:55 |
| ogra | yep | 11:55 |
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| ogra | seb128, wow, not having the socket available has really weird sideeffects in gss | 12:00 |
| pitti | asac: of course you should take a look at it frist | 12:00 |
| pitti | asac: and remove all the rm -rf ~ commands :-D | 12:00 |
| seb128 | ogra: yeah :/ | 12:00 |
| ogra | like if i kill gnome-screensaver from the console after i cant unlock, the dialog window stays | 12:01 |
| janimo | tkamppeter: hi, for bugs such as 83960 is it enough to post an xml to lp? Or do you prefer directly to openprinting upstream? | 12:01 |
| Fujitsu | ogra: You need to kill g-s and g-s-d. | 12:01 |
| ogra | Fujitsu, well ... g-s-d should die with its parent :) | 12:02 |
| Fujitsu | It should. | 12:02 |
| Fujitsu | (and it should also unlock when asked :P) | 12:02 |
| ogra | but it hangs looking for the socket ... | 12:02 |
| Fujitsu | Sounds like fun to debug. | 12:02 |
| ogra | easy to debug ... | 12:03 |
| ogra | but that code needs a lot of overhaul ... | 12:03 |
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| pitti | Hobbsee: happy Valentine's day! | 12:04 |
| ogra | it should use different searchpaths for the socket and refuse to lock if its not there ... | 12:05 |
| K-Rich | tfheen, where do i find my firewall log files (i use firestarter) | 12:05 |
| tfheen | K-Rich: no idea, I don't use firewalls. | 12:05 |
| Hobbsee | hey pitti :) | 12:06 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: happy valentine's day to you too :) | 12:06 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt have a valentine :P | ||
| === Hobbsee hugs pitti, ogra and tfheen | ||
| === tfheen bounces around Hobbsee and is hugged. | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 12:06 |
| tfheen | how's Sydney today? | 12:06 |
| === ogra hugs back | ||
| === pitti got a self-made chocolate cake from his gf *yummy* | ||
| Hobbsee | nice! | 12:07 |
| Hobbsee | tfheen: dunno, havent seen much of it. been working | 12:07 |
| Hobbsee | brb, lunch | 12:07 |
| Hobbsee | (yes, it's 10.07pm here) | 12:07 |
| tfheen | I got slightly confused about that, yes. | 12:08 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 12:09 |
| janimo | pitti, for a typical main incl review are the debs perused as well or just the source package? I was wondering if NEW source processing and MIR can happen in one step :D | 12:10 |
| ogra | slomo, wow, you are fast :) | 12:10 |
| K-Rich | tfheen, well it seems to be random ports in the 30000 - 60000 range | 12:11 |
| pitti | janimo: I always check the .debs for promotion | 12:11 |
| tfheen | K-Rich: I doubt the source ports are in that range. | 12:11 |
| janimo | pitti, ok thanks | 12:11 |
| slomo | ogra: i just saw the bug in #ubuntu-bugs by accident ;) | 12:11 |
| pitti | janimo: so binary NEW and promotion can happen at the same time | 12:11 |
| ogra | heh | 12:11 |
| mneptok | Hobbsee: you can be *MY* valentine! | 12:11 |
| K-Rich | tfheen, Time: Feb 14 04:10:53 Source: 91.189.89.182 Destination: 10.0.0.3 In IF: eth0 Out IF: Port: 60518 Length: 44 ToS: 0x00 Protocol: TCP Service: Unknown | 12:11 |
| Hobbsee | mneptok: you wish. | 12:11 |
| asac | pitti: thats a bit strange ... indeed | 12:12 |
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| Hobbsee | mneptok: errrr.....? | 12:12 |
| pitti | asac: it works fine if I run 'firefox <url>' directly | 12:12 |
| mneptok | Hobbsee: ... as an alternative. | 12:12 |
| K-Rich | tfheen, Time: Feb 14 04:12:22 Source: 91.189.89.182 Destination: 10.0.0.3 In IF: eth0 Out IF: Port: 52343 Length: 44 ToS: 0x00 Protocol: TCP Service: Unknown | 12:12 |
| pitti | asac: so there must be something ffox wants from the environment or parent process that I don't know about | 12:12 |
| Hobbsee | mneptok: oh, in response to you. gotcha. | 12:12 |
| asac | pitti: yep | 12:12 |
| tfheen | K-Rich: I don't think that's the source port, just the destination port. | 12:12 |
| pitti | asac: hm, it just occured to me that in the sudo script, the calling process does not have all the auxiliary groups that the running firefox has | 12:13 |
| K-Rich | Time: Feb 14 04:13:23 Source: 91.189.89.182 Destination: 10.0.0.3 In IF: eth0 Out IF: Port: 52352 Length: 44 ToS: 0x00 Protocol: TCP Service: Unknown | 12:14 |
| StevenK | Which probably means it's an ACK. | 12:15 |
| StevenK | Based on the port, destination and length. | 12:15 |
| asac | pitti: firefox detects the lock in profile dir, but fails to run the remote command against the already running instance | 12:15 |
| K-Rich | tfheen, very odd, happens when i 'sudo aptitude update' | 12:17 |
| pitti | asac: if I call epiphany -n in the script, then it works and returns immediately, so it's not something deep in the mozembed stuff | 12:17 |
| tfheen | K-Rich: so it's legal traffic. | 12:18 |
| tfheen | K-Rich: you have a misconfigured firewall; go to #ubuntu for support, please. | 12:18 |
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| pitti | Riddell: could you download http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/ubuntu-bug and check whether it correctly invokes apport-qt in bug filing mode for you? (e. g. 'ubuntu-bug -p bash') | 12:31 |
| Riddell | pitti: apport-qt pops up briefly saying "uploading" then konqueror starts up | 12:32 |
| tfheen | cjwatson: you were going to get https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/84597 fixed this morning, weren't you? | 12:33 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 84597 in ubiquity "[apport] ubiquity crashed with AssertionError in subst()" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 12:33 |
| pitti | Riddell: that sounds right | 12:33 |
| pitti | Riddell: and the dialog was okay, looked like apport-qt? | 12:33 |
| pitti | Riddell: I plan to stuff this script into /usr/bin, so that people can call it from the shell, and we also need it for firefox 'Report a bug...' menu integration | 12:34 |
| pitti | Riddell: a quick eyeballing of the script is appreciated, too | 12:35 |
| cjwatson | tfheen: yeah, working on it | 12:35 |
| tfheen | cjwatson: thanks. | 12:35 |
| pitti | Riddell: first I test pgrep -u `id -u` -x ksmserver >/dev/null, and fall back to pure [ -x apport-qt ] if neither gnome-session nor ksmserver is running | 12:35 |
| StevenK | pitti: What if gnome-session is the process that just crashed? :-) | 12:36 |
| Riddell | pitti: all looks good to me | 12:36 |
| pitti | StevenK: then it'll still DTRT in the usual case | 12:36 |
| Riddell | unless the user has two X session running, one with gnome and one with kde | 12:37 |
| Riddell | but even so it's not a problem to have the gtk frontend on kde | 12:37 |
| pitti | StevenK: worst case is that if you run KDE and have apport-gtk installed, then you'll get the gtk interface. No big deal, I'd say | 12:37 |
| pitti | Riddell: right | 12:37 |
| StevenK | Riddell: I thought KDE rolled over and killed Gnome in that case? :-P | 12:37 |
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| Riddell | KDE doesn't roll over for anybody | 12:37 |
| StevenK | pitti: :-) | 12:38 |
| pitti | Riddell: thanks for checking | 12:38 |
| StevenK | Riddell: I won't reply what I'm thinking. :-P | 12:38 |
| seb128 | pitti: .de war? you german guys... :p | 12:38 |
| StevenK | Bwahaha | 12:38 |
| pitti | seb128: DE, not .de !!!111! | 12:38 |
| seb128 | ah :) | 12:39 |
| === pitti hugs seb128 | ||
| === seb128 hugs pitti back | ||
| === pitti ponders abandoning Gnome, it still cannot open the Rhythmbox cover and lyrics plugins | ||
| pitti | seb128: (just kidding) | 12:39 |
| === tfheen kicks the slacking buildds. | ||
| Ng | pitti: it's kicking ass in feisty here. the cover one at least, not tried lyrics ;) | 12:40 |
| seb128 | pitti: I think you might face http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=404932 | 12:40 |
| Ubugtu | Gnome bug 404932 in Programmatic interfaces "Python modules do not work on 64-bit and Python 2.5" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 12:40 |
| pitti | Ng: it worked before, and suddenly stopped working a while ago; however, (kicks ass)++ | 12:40 |
| seb128 | pitti: which is fixed upstream and will be fixed for feisty | 12:40 |
| Ng | pitti: harsh :( | 12:40 |
| pitti | seb128: aaaah | 12:40 |
| seb128 | pitti: while ago being the switch to python2.5? | 12:41 |
| pitti | seb128: entirely possible | 12:41 |
| seb128 | I'll ping you to test when the new version will be to feisty | 12:42 |
| pitti | seb128: btw, do you use rb yourself? | 12:42 |
| seb128 | yep | 12:42 |
| seb128 | but on i386 :) | 12:42 |
| pitti | seb128: I find it quite annoying that an album doesn't start playing any more when I double-click on it | 12:42 |
| pitti | seb128: is that a bug or a feature? | 12:42 |
| === pitti is in whining mood today, sorry | ||
| === pitti fixes some apport bugs in exchange | ||
| Fujitsu | pitti: I'd hope that it was a bug, as it was nice to be able to do that. | 12:43 |
| seb128 | a bug I would say, I double click on the first track usually, I didn't know that double click on the album was doing something ;) | 12:43 |
| seb128 | pitti: no problem don't worry ;) | 12:43 |
| === pitti files a 'Low' bug | ||
| Fujitsu | Artist/Album double-clicking played all the tracks listed. | 12:43 |
| pitti | Fujitsu: right, that was really handy | 12:43 |
| seb128 | pitti: don't bother | 12:44 |
| seb128 | pitti: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=404753 fixed in SVN | 12:45 |
| Ubugtu | Gnome bug 404753 in general "Can't double click artist/album in browser to play" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 12:45 |
| pitti | seb128: these Gnome dudes rock | 12:45 |
| seb128 | ;) | 12:45 |
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| cjwatson | Riddell,mvo: software-properties appears to be telling people to report bugs on ubiquity. Could you please make it stop doing that? | 12:52 |
| cjwatson | ./data/designer/crashdialog.ui:102: <string><a href="https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+filebug">https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+filebug</a></string> | 12:52 |
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| Riddell | cjwatson: oh sorry, my fault, I'll fix it now in bzr | 12:53 |
| cjwatson | tfheen: please let a fix for that through - it's beginning to seriously piss me off :) | 12:53 |
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| tfheen | cjwatson: will do. | 12:53 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: note a number of crash reports that I've been getting, reassigned | 12:53 |
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| geser | pitti: have you had time to review my script to modify the Maintainer field in source packages? | 12:55 |
| pitti | geser: oh, I wasn't even aware of it | 12:56 |
| geser | pitti: http://members.ping.de/~mb/srcmaintainermangler/ | 12:56 |
| pitti | geser: I wrote my own script on Monday (just took me some 15 minutes, not a biggie) | 12:56 |
| pitti | geser: thanks! | 12:56 |
| geser | it's based on pkgmaintermangler | 12:56 |
| pitti | geser: doko already had a script for doing mass uploads, so I just adapted that | 12:56 |
| geser | is it available somewhere? | 12:57 |
| === pitti scp's | ||
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| pitti | geser: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/update-maintainer-transition | 12:58 |
| davmor2 | Query: can anyone let me know what is currently happening with nm not working with rt2500 wireless cards? Is there anything that can be done? | 12:58 |
| mvo | Riddell: will you fix it in the ~ubuntu-core-dev repo? | 01:00 |
| Riddell | mvo: yes | 01:00 |
| cjwatson | geser: I'm not really happy with mass uploads for this | 01:01 |
| cjwatson | we shouldn't be causing that kind of mirror hit | 01:01 |
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| geser | cjwatson: I don't plan to mass-upload anything | 01:02 |
| cjwatson | and we definitely should only be modifying packages that already have *ubuntu* versions, which that script doesn't seem to do | 01:02 |
| geser | my script only automates the changing of the maintainer field | 01:03 |
| cjwatson | ok, just saying :) | 01:03 |
| pitti | cjwatson: right, I doubt the usefulness of mass-upload as well | 01:03 |
| seb128 | tfheen: I've uploaded a control-center update which fixes gnome-default-applications-properties (it was looking for the applications list to the wrong place), would be nice to accept for herd4 | 01:03 |
| pitti | cjwatson: mdz asked me to do that, but the request was a bit ambiguous | 01:03 |
| Fujitsu | Shouldn't there be some way for DDs to say `I don't want my fields mangled'? | 01:04 |
| pitti | cjwatson: that's why I'll put it on tomorrow's agenda | 01:04 |
| StevenK | There is | 01:04 |
| Fujitsu | StevenK: Not for source packages. | 01:04 |
| geser | pitti's script also misses packages using debian/control.in to generate debian/control | 01:04 |
| tfheen | seb128: ok | 01:04 |
| pitti | geser: oh, right | 01:04 |
| elmo | I will track down and hurt anyone who mass uploads packages just to change the maintainer field | 01:04 |
| Fujitsu | elmo: That's the spirit. | 01:04 |
| StevenK | elmo: Is that a promise? :-) | 01:04 |
| seb128 | pitti: run away from elmo ;) | 01:05 |
| pitti | seb128: as I said, I don't think it makes sense | 01:05 |
| kwwii | pitti can run faster than elmo, I think | 01:05 |
| pitti | seb128: but I'll do it if mdz wants me to :) | 01:05 |
| seb128 | pitti: I was just joking, don't worry ;) | 01:05 |
| === seb128 hugs pitti | ||
| tfheen | pitti: nope, running away from James doesn't make sense. He'll get to you eventually. :-) | 01:05 |
| pitti | heh | 01:05 |
| pitti | 'huh, I can't login to the DC any more, nor upload shit' | 01:05 |
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| pitti | tfheen: you read BofH as well, I figure :-D | 01:06 |
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| tfheen | pitti: not for a long time, but yeah. | 01:07 |
| cjwatson | tfheen: fixed that ubiquity bug in bzr, I think, but I need to arrange to test it somehow | 01:07 |
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| tfheen | cjwatson: please. | 01:07 |
| jsgotangco | greetings sabdfl | 01:07 |
| tfheen | cjwatson: just take your time, we need get soyuz fixed too. | 01:07 |
| sabdfl | hi all | 01:08 |
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| Fujitsu | Hey sabdfl. | 01:08 |
| geser | I've a question about mozilla-browser (universe) in feisty: Debian removed it already from unstable and replaced it by iceape (aka seamonkey). IMHO we should do the same and replace it also by iceape. Any other opinions on this? | 01:10 |
| pitti | geser: mdz recently wrote the current state of affairs to -devel: we don't need to rename our firefox/tbird/moz apps | 01:10 |
| geser | this way it would be less work for the MOTUs as we didn't to rebrand iceape back to seamonkey | 01:11 |
| pitti | geser: right, it'd be easier to sync | 01:12 |
| geser | it's not only about renaming mozilla-browser is abandoned upstream | 01:12 |
| pitti | geser: I would actually prefer to entirely remove it | 01:12 |
| pitti | not sure if reverse dependencies allow that | 01:12 |
| Riddell | tfheen, cjwatson, mvo: software-properties uploaded | 01:13 |
| pitti | geser: actually doesn't look too bad | 01:13 |
| sabdfl | howdy Fujitsu | 01:14 |
| pitti | geser: gnash, gtk2hs, swfdec0.3, videolink, webhttrack | 01:14 |
| pitti | geser: these are the sources we need to fix, and then there's a whole bunch of packages (plugins, translations) that could just be removed as well | 01:14 |
| pitti | geser: most packages can hopefully be built against firefox-dev instead of mozilla-dev | 01:15 |
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| geser | pitti: will check the rdepends of mozilla-browser and file bugs for removal or upload fixed packages | 01:16 |
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| pitti | geser: wait, I have a script for that, I'll put the output somewhere | 01:16 |
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| pitti | geser: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/mozilla-rdepends.txt | 01:19 |
| geser | pitti: thanks | 01:19 |
| pitti | geser: most important are those five r-build-deps on mozilla-dev | 01:20 |
| pitti | geser: thanks for taking care of this; the current mozilla is so old, noone should use it any more in feisty | 01:21 |
| mvo | tfheen: the latest dist-upgrader fixes bug #66783 (targetted herd-4). please consider it for approval | 01:25 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 66783 in update-manager "considers dapper-commercial a third party repository and disables it" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66783 | 01:25 |
| tfheen | mvo: oh, good. | 01:26 |
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| mvo | thanks | 01:31 |
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| mjg59 | jono: Excellent, I will be seeing you in Ireland | 01:33 |
| pitti | tfheen: not sure what you think about http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5710/? it adds a script and fixes some bugs | 01:39 |
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| pitti | tfheen: (test suite passes and everything, of course) | 01:40 |
| tfheen | pitti: I'd like to get herd 4 out soonish so unless there are bits there you really want, can it wait? | 01:42 |
| tfheen | pitti: I'll be happy to take it if we need to wait for other bits to hit the archive, though | 01:42 |
| tfheen | pitti: actually, just upload it, since we need ubiquity | 01:42 |
| pitti | tfheen: not terribly urgent as long as edge.launchpad.net doesn't break again | 01:42 |
| pitti | oh, great | 01:43 |
| pitti | tfheen: uploaded; feel free to accept or defer as you see fit | 01:43 |
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| tfheen | cheers | 01:44 |
| cjwatson | ok, so half of my ubiquity fix worked ... | 01:45 |
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| sabdfl | seb128: anyone already reported a bug in gnome-screensaver where unlocking the screen fails? | 02:09 |
| seb128 | sabdfl: it has been fixed like 2 hours ago | 02:09 |
| pitti | that sounds like the /tmp -> /var/run socket change from this morning? | 02:09 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure how a running gnome-screensaver handle the socket change though :/ | 02:10 |
| cjwatson | tfheen: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5714/ | 02:10 |
| sabdfl | kill means it's no longer running :-) | 02:10 |
| sabdfl | thanks seb128 | 02:10 |
| seb128 | np | 02:10 |
| cjwatson | tfheen: tested, works for me | 02:11 |
| pitti | asac: yay, there's a solution for bug 81207 | 02:12 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 81207 in apport "webbrowser fails to open for system crash when it runs as root" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81207 | 02:12 |
| tfheen | cjwatson: upload away | 02:12 |
| pitti | asac: as simple as using firefox' sudo support instead of working around it :) | 02:12 |
| davmor2 | does anyone know the current status of rt2500 cards not working with network manager? Is there anything that can be done to make them work together? | 02:17 |
| jdong | rt2500 doesn't like interface bouncing when under a PREEMPt or SMP kernel. | 02:18 |
| jdong | i.e. you can't bring it up, down, up | 02:18 |
| jdong | and that pattern is pretty common in NetworkManager usage. | 02:18 |
| davmor2 | so is the only fix to remove network manager then? Only there are a few bugs about this issue. | 02:19 |
| Treenaks | jdong: also, that's a _bad_ driver bug then | 02:19 |
| jdong | Treenaks: VERY BAD driver bug | 02:19 |
| jdong | kernel panic on bouncing | 02:19 |
| asac | pitti: great ... but could you track down what went wrong? | 02:19 |
| jdong | radio loss after a few minutes | 02:19 |
| jdong | of torrent strength activity | 02:19 |
| pitti | asac: no, I couldn't | 02:20 |
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| jdong | davmor2: it's an open source driver so you can work with rt2x00.serialmonkey.net community | 02:20 |
| asac | pitti: i however ... afaik if you just run sudo firefox ... it will still take profile dir from root user | 02:20 |
| jdong | davmor2: but it's not something we here at Ubuntu have the resources or power to fix :) | 02:20 |
| jdong | sorry | 02:20 |
| asac | pitti: if that is ok, then all is fine. | 02:20 |
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| davmor2 | jdong: not me specifically with the problem I'm just trying to stay on top of some bugs | 02:21 |
| pitti | asac: no, the whole point of that juggling is to take the user's profile dir | 02:21 |
| pitti | asac: however, 'sudo -u martin firefox url' seems to DTRT | 02:21 |
| davmor2 | jdong: So is it worth asking everyone with issues in this set up to post bugs there? | 02:22 |
| asac | pitti: interesting ... maybe I forgot to remove some tweaks in your python script when I last tried | 02:22 |
| seb128 | ok, time for lunch and some sport, bbl | 02:22 |
| jdong | davmor2: they know about it | 02:23 |
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| jdong | davmor2: at least they did 2 years ago when I bugged them about it | 02:23 |
| jdong | davmor2: I used to be a rt2500 user | 02:23 |
| mjg59 | The driver's been basically rewritten since then | 02:25 |
| mjg59 | But if there are bugs, then yes, please do file them | 02:25 |
| mjg59 | Assuming there isn't a duplicate already | 02:25 |
| tfheen | mjg59: did you see my question about usplash and 16/24 bit from this morning? | 02:26 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, biff | 02:32 |
| mjg59 | tfheen: Nope | 02:33 |
| mjg59 | tfheen: Ah, got it. | 02:33 |
| mjg59 | tfheen: By default, usplash on x86/amd64 will use 16-bit unless it can't get the 16-bit mode | 02:33 |
| mjg59 | tfheen: So it's not impossible to use 16-bit pictures. However, there's no guarantee that you'll get a 16-bit picture, and I'm not sure what the situation is on ppc | 02:34 |
| mjg59 | tfheen: Why do you ask? | 02:34 |
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| pitti | tkamppeter: can you get tfheen's approval for them? then I'll upload immediately | 02:35 |
| tfheen | mjg59: because kwwii would like to use 16 bit pictures. | 02:35 |
| mjg59 | Hm. | 02:35 |
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| mjg59 | I don't think we can guarantee it. | 02:35 |
| tfheen | mjg59: is there hardware which doesn't like 16-bit vesa modes? | 02:36 |
| mjg59 | I expect that there's some amount. It's very hard to tell. | 02:36 |
| Robot101 | there's always some hardware that hates you :) | 02:36 |
| mjg59 | And there's still the framebuffer issue | 02:36 |
| tfheen | which fb issue? | 02:36 |
| mjg59 | I think providing 16-bit artwork with a 256 colour fallback would be fine | 02:36 |
| tfheen | ok | 02:37 |
| mjg59 | Though there'd need to be some code for dealing with that | 02:37 |
| tfheen | kwwii: ^^ does this sound sane to you? | 02:37 |
| tfheen | so hardware won't let us switch to 16 bit and then blow up? Hopefully? | 02:37 |
| kwwii | tfheen: well, it's double the work and means making two different layouts but it is a good start | 02:38 |
| kwwii | for feisty we've got the 256 version looking pretty good | 02:38 |
| tfheen | kwwii: if we discover that most of the hardware supports 16 bit, I presume we can have a 256 colour which you put less effort into | 02:38 |
| kwwii | tfheen: right | 02:38 |
| kwwii | this would be for feisty+1 anyway, or? | 02:39 |
| tfheen | depends on whether I can sneak it past myself or not. I suspect feisty+1 | 02:39 |
| kwwii | tfheen: lol | 02:40 |
| tfheen | mjg59: also, do you have any qualms about adding jpeg and/or png support directly to usplash? | 02:40 |
| tfheen | that is, about it being added, I'm not telling you to do it. :-) | 02:41 |
| sladen | there's a single-file PNG loader here: | 02:42 |
| sladen | http://student.kuleuven.be/~m0216922/pngloader/ | 02:42 |
| kwwii | if we are going to go with so many colors it would be better to have jpeg support I think | 02:42 |
| kwwii | the pngs might get quite large | 02:43 |
| sladen | (with a DEFLATE decoder in there) | 02:43 |
| tfheen | sladen: in c++ | 02:43 |
| sladen | tfheen: wouldn't take much to fix that | 02:43 |
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| mjg59 | tfheen: Other than size, not really | 02:51 |
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| tfheen | mjg59: they could be optional, I guess. And it's not like libjpeg is _that_ big. | 02:52 |
| cjwatson | ogra: do you have a DTD anywhere for the hwdb XML files? | 02:55 |
| ogra | nope | 02:56 |
| cjwatson | OK, I'd kind of hoped that <!DOCTYPE hwinfo SYSTEM "http://www.ubuntu.com/hwdb"> actually meant something ;-) | 02:57 |
| ogra | no, did you ever look at the xml files ? | 02:57 |
| cjwatson | briefly. Could you give me a quick summary of the known problems? | 02:57 |
| cjwatson | all I've ever heard is "somewhat broken XML" | 02:57 |
| ogra | well, its not really xml ... | 02:57 |
| ogra | right | 02:57 |
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| ogra | it needs to be updated to write proper xml, then we'll have a dtd as well | 02:58 |
| cjwatson | so my best bet is line-by-line parsing? | 02:58 |
| ogra | and match tags, yes | 02:59 |
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| cjwatson | ok, no problem | 02:59 |
| xerxas | Hi all | 02:59 |
| ogra | the tags should be relatively self eplaining | 02:59 |
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| ogra | *explaining | 02:59 |
| cjwatson | yeah, I can either guess those or just read the source :) | 02:59 |
| ogra | just look at one of the files ... | 02:59 |
| ogra | right | 02:59 |
| cjwatson | thanks for your help | 02:59 |
| ogra | well, sorry for the bad code | 03:00 |
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| mjg59 | tfheen: Yeah, fair enough | 03:06 |
| kwwii | tfheen: look at the jpeg decoder used with the bootsplash | 03:10 |
| tfheen | kwwii: do you happen to know what package that would be in? | 03:12 |
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| CapRiCoRN^80 | hi ! any one there how has installed ubuntu on sun blade 150 ? | 03:15 |
| kwwii | tfheen: not sure, the bootsplash kernel diff I guess | 03:19 |
| iwj | mvo: When you're back, I have an error from gdebi I was wondering if you might be able to help me with. | 03:21 |
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| iwj | I say gdebi /root/adt-downtmp/dsc0/mawk_1.3.3-11ubuntu2.dsc and it says ValueError: Problem Parsing Dependency | 03:22 |
| iwj | (with stack trace) | 03:22 |
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| vinboy | is Herd 4 coming out today? | 03:26 |
| mvo | iwj: can you put the stacktrace somewhere please? on a pastebin? | 03:29 |
| iwj | mvo: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5721/ | 03:30 |
| mvo | iwj: what package? a .deb or a .dsc? | 03:31 |
| iwj | .dsc | 03:31 |
| iwj | mawk_1.3.3-11ubuntu2.dsc from the archive, in fact. | 03:31 |
| mvo | iwj: thanks, I'm checking this out now | 03:32 |
| iwj | Thanks. | 03:32 |
| iwj | I have a workaround for now so it's not blocking me. | 03:32 |
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| pitti | mvo: oh, what does gdebi do with a .dsc? some apt-get source -b magic? | 03:34 |
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| mvo | pitti: no, not that fanncy. it will just install the build-dependencies | 03:35 |
| mvo | doing something like apt-get -b would actually be cool .. | 03:35 |
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| pitti | heh | 03:36 |
| mvo | iwj: I know why it happens, I will fix it now | 03:37 |
| CapRiCoRN^80 | wat SILO prompt ? | 03:37 |
| iwj | mvo: Eventually I'm going to want a fix for this in dapper. Is that going to be a problem ? | 03:37 |
| iwj | If so then a backport I can pull out of my back pocket will do since I can just install gdebi_<my-weird-one>.deb in the testbed. | 03:38 |
| iwj | Actually, that might be better anyway so I can have gdebi-core.) | 03:38 |
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| mvo | iwj: I think it shouldn't be, a backport should be straightforward mostly. there is IIRC only a single feature of the >dapper python-apts I use | 03:40 |
| sacater | hey does anyone know a way for source-code packages to handle their dependencies themselves (eg. they get them and install them from the web automatically) | 03:42 |
| CapRiCoRN^80 | hi ! any one there how has installed ubuntu on sun blade 150 ? | 03:42 |
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| mvo | iwj: I'm happy to assit with the backport | 03:43 |
| iwj | mvo: That would be very nice :-). | 03:44 |
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| _ion | Funny. In qemu, the text-mode Ubuntu installer detects my US keyboard layout to be JP. | 03:47 |
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| tfheen | _ion: known bug | 03:48 |
| mvo | iwj: I guess you will need --assume-yes as well for the automatic mode in the package tester? | 03:48 |
| iwj | Yes. | 03:49 |
| mvo | ok, I'm add this too (while waiting for the test-upgrade to finish) | 03:50 |
| iwj | Thanks. | 03:51 |
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| CapRiCoRN^80 | any one there how has installed ubuntu on sun blade 150 ? | 03:52 |
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| mdz | pitti: anything which isn't rebuit in the normal course of Feisty development needs to be explicitly rebuilt to effect the maintainer changes | 04:03 |
| bddebian | Heya | 04:03 |
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| _ion | usplash-theme-ubuntu is starting to look *really* nice, now that the progress bar was "fixed". | 04:09 |
| mdz | pitti: note that this does not need to happen all at once; it should be spread out over time to avoid a big mirror hit | 04:13 |
| pitti | mdz: right, I would have split it in chunks anyway | 04:14 |
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| pitti | mdz: let's discuss and coordinate that on the meeting; doko needs some rebuilds anyway for a new gcc, that seems like a good opportunity :) | 04:14 |
| mdz | pitti: sounds good, please add it to the agenda | 04:14 |
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| asac | pitti: what should a "report bug" menu entry in firefox do? just run ubuntu-bug ? | 04:20 |
| fabbione | seb128: ping? | 04:21 |
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| pitti | asac: 'ubuntu-bug -P <pid>', as I wrote in the bug | 04:23 |
| pitti | asac: addditionally giving '-p firefox' saves apport some work for finding out the package name | 04:23 |
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| fabbione | pitti: ping? re: tcl/tk SRU... | 04:24 |
| Riddell | tfheen, cjwatson: I tried creating a kubuntu live image and CD but the i386 one failed because installer-i386/current/images/udeb.list doesn't exist | 04:25 |
| cjwatson | oh, bugger, that bug again | 04:25 |
| cjwatson | I keep forgetting that we have to fix that damn thing up by hand | 04:25 |
| cjwatson | tfheen: I'll fix | 04:26 |
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| cjwatson | tfheen: fixed, please run the publisher | 04:30 |
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| asac | pitti: ok, was just a bit confused because I could not see any obvious reason to pass <pid> to bug-report. | 04:33 |
| tfheen | cjwatson: cheers; running. | 04:38 |
| bluefoxicy | apport is annoying | 04:39 |
| bluefoxicy | SORRY, THE PROGRAM <some gnome-game you've never run> HAS CLOSED UNEXPECTEDLY! | 04:39 |
| bluefoxicy | SORRY, THE PROGRAM <some app that crashed 5 months ago> HAS CLOSED UNEXPECTEDLY! | 04:39 |
| tfheen | bluefoxicy: then turn it off. | 04:40 |
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| cjwatson | pitti,Riddell,mvo: have you three already discussed Kubuntu edgy->feisty upgrade options, or has that action item from the last meeting become moot? ISTR Riddell saying something about the python-(qt|kde)* patch no longer being necessary | 04:44 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: I've discussed it with pitti, that backports aren't necessary it's just 4 patches now, he said he'll review them | 04:45 |
| Riddell | s/that/the/ | 04:46 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: ok, thanks, I'll mark that action item as done then | 04:48 |
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| pitti | fabbione: didn't look at it yet, is it properly filed as a bug with an SRU proposal? | 04:54 |
| pitti | asac: you can omit it and just pass the package name with -p if you aren't interested in runtime information | 04:54 |
| pitti | asac: however, runtime information will give you user groups, /proc stuff, etc., so it might be useful | 04:55 |
| pitti | asac: also locales, etc. | 04:55 |
| pitti | cjwatson, Riddell: I'm about to look at the patches now | 04:55 |
| asac | pitti: ah ok ... thanks for the info | 04:55 |
| fabbione | pitti: it's just a proposal in your inbox.. | 04:55 |
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| fabbione | pitti: before filing everything i want to hear your/cjwatson opinion | 04:56 |
| pitti | geser: ah, I saw your first uploads | 04:57 |
| pitti | geser: tell me when I shall run the script another time | 04:57 |
| pitti | fabbione: 'k, will look in a minute | 04:57 |
| fabbione | pitti: sure.. even for tomorrow or friday | 04:57 |
| fabbione | it's not urgent, but i am soon leaving for holidays | 04:58 |
| fabbione | so i would like a go/no-go | 04:58 |
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| pitti | fabbione: hm, it doesn't look particularly SRUish to me, Tcl isn't something we need for desktops? if there are some bugs where users complain about being bitten by this, I would agree, but the patch length/risk/benefit ratio doesn't seem convincing to me | 05:01 |
| fabbione | pitti: it bites bigendian machines.. and for desktop it's ppc | 05:01 |
| pitti | fabbione: is there a sparc application (cluster management GUI etc) that needs it? | 05:01 |
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| fabbione | pitti: gitk | 05:02 |
| fabbione | pitti: it happens only when parsing some UTF8 encoded Japanese text | 05:02 |
| fabbione | difficult to trigger but it can happen somewhere else in the world | 05:03 |
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| pitti | Riddell: can you please add a proper SRU proposal to bug 84717 with the justification, potential impact, etc.? | 05:08 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 84717 in update-manager "SRU: updates necessary for Kubuntu Upgrade Tool in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84717 | 05:08 |
| pitti | Riddell: urgh @ those patches -- does this really need backporting of completely new source files? | 05:10 |
| Riddell | pitti: yes, it's new features | 05:12 |
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| pitti | Riddell: all this code is in Feisty already and has been tested? | 05:20 |
| Riddell | pitti: yes | 05:20 |
| fabbione | pitti: thanks for the reply | 05:21 |
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| pitti | fabbione: feel free to object if I misunderstood the severity and you actually need that fixed | 05:22 |
| bluefoxicy | mm. Would be nice if the installer could re-install, find existing installations and ask if you wanted to overwrite them | 05:22 |
| fabbione | pitti: i tend to agree with you.. my only concern here is that it still affects 2 arches out of 4 | 05:22 |
| pitti | right, but even if it would affect all arches I wouldn't have the feeling that this is appropriate for SRU | 05:23 |
| fabbione | pitti: what about: i file a bug, we keep it there and wait for possible "me too"? | 05:24 |
| geser | pitti: is a build-dependency on libxul-dev | mozilla-dev ok or should it be fixed? | 05:24 |
| pitti | fabbione: if noone filed a bug yet, it doesn't seem to be important in the first place :) | 05:25 |
| pitti | geser: that's fine | 05:25 |
| fabbione | pitti: ehhehe fair enough | 05:25 |
| pitti | geser: as long as one alternative remains installable and the package works with it | 05:25 |
| iwj | This running two VMs on hardware with only 512Mb in total is a bit crunchy. | 05:29 |
| pitti | iwj: urgh, I got annoyed with 1 GB and two vmware instances... | 05:29 |
| jdong | iwj: everything's crunchy with Total! | 05:31 |
| iwj | ?? | 05:32 |
| jdong | obviously not American? | 05:32 |
| jdong | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_%28cereal%29 | 05:32 |
| pitti | lol | 05:33 |
| iwj | Not only not American, but no TV either. | 05:33 |
| jdong | lol, that's a good thing. Two good things apparently :) | 05:34 |
| iwj | If I had another G or so then it could dump all of the copy-on-write junk from the testbed modifications in RAM. | 05:34 |
| _ion | I wouldn't mind another 3/8 G of mem. :-) | 05:35 |
| iwj | 3/8 G is a rather strange quantity to be pining for. | 05:38 |
| pitti | _ion: I just bought another 2 GB and am happy now :) | 05:38 |
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| iwj | I wonder if it would save time overall if I spent 45mins tomorrow morning fetching some RAM, or whether I should order it online and get it next week. | 05:41 |
| jdong | "Train A departs southbound from New York with 2 512MB 667MHz DDR2 sticks of RAM while train B departs Northbound from Atlanta with 1 stick of 1GB DDR2 533MHz RAM" | 05:43 |
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| pitti | cjwatson, Riddell: I did the first round of reviews for bug 84717 and added some comments; I think we can consider the meeting action item as done now | 06:15 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 84717 in update-manager "SRU: updates necessary for Kubuntu Upgrade Tool in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84717 | 06:15 |
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| Chipzz | mvo: ping ;) | 06:16 |
| doko | pitti, anybody else: what was the spec for the maintainer field for main? I do remember that we should use ubuntu-devel-discuss (because ubuntu-devel is moderated) | 06:20 |
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| pitti | re | 06:57 |
| pitti | doko: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField | 06:57 |
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| geser | is gcc-4.0 still in feisty? | 07:15 |
| mdz | geser: yes (for future reference, you can look that up in Launchpad) | 07:16 |
| mdz | doko: they're both moderated for non-subscribers, but -discuss is more appropriate for the kind of thing the Maintainer field is used for | 07:17 |
| geser | I ask because only the source is available and the build status doesn't list anything | 07:17 |
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| pitti | geser: I guess it has just never been rebuilt in Feisty | 07:18 |
| pitti | geser: hm, it has | 07:18 |
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| geser | the last upload was two days ago. the old binary are gone and it seems the last upload didn't reach the buildds | 07:23 |
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| doko | tfheen: please reject the python2.4 and python2.5 uploads (which are currently blocked); these are supserseded by now | 07:56 |
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| Windkracht8 | Can someone explain me why the "root" option for the "kernel" command in the "menu.lst" of grub is replaced from a device name to an UUID number? the some goes for "file system" option in the fstab file | 08:13 |
| _ion | The device names are free to change, the system is still going to boot properly. | 08:14 |
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| _ion | E.g. you might connect the HDD to another bus, or hda might change to sda when the PATA stuff is switched to libata-pata. | 08:15 |
| Windkracht8 | after the update to kernel 2.6.17-11-generic these numbers where changed to an incorrect number | 08:15 |
| Windkracht8 | gave the error message: "Begin: Waiting for root file system" | 08:15 |
| Windkracht8 | I had to change them back to "/dev/hda2" | 08:15 |
| Windkracht8 | to get an bootable system | 08:16 |
| _ion | You should file a bug report with all the details. | 08:16 |
| _ion | I.e. what are the UUIDs that were incrorrectly detected, what are the actual UUIDs (ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid) etc. | 08:17 |
| Windkracht8 | ok, but what does that number represent? how do I find out what the number is for my /dev/hda2 | 08:17 |
| _ion | Each partition has an unique ID | 08:17 |
| Windkracht8 | and could those be changed? | 08:18 |
| _ion | Not normally, unless you replace a partition with another. | 08:18 |
| cjwatson | $ sudo /lib/udev/vol_id -u /dev/hda3 | 08:19 |
| cjwatson | 424fb11b-b062-4c5b-83bc-6ffd84c17ae7 | 08:19 |
| _ion | That is, create a new filesystem, overwriting an already existing one. | 08:19 |
| cjwatson | ^-- finding out the existing UUID | 08:19 |
| _ion | Or ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid to get a list. | 08:19 |
| Windkracht8 | ok, I don't have the old menu.lst, but the fstab hasn't changed and the file systems are mounted correctly, so the number hasn't changed | 08:21 |
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| cjwatson | mjg59: bug 85169 is weird - it's segfaulting trying to inb from VGA register 0x3cc | 08:42 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 85169 in usplash "[apport] usplash crashed with SIGSEGV in __svgalib_get_perm()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85169 | 08:42 |
| cjwatson | mjg59: any idea why that might be happening? | 08:43 |
| Windkracht8 | thank you all for the information, not going to file a bug though, seems to be an unreproducible isolated incident | 08:46 |
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| TerminX | can someone fix package xinetd to provide inet-superserver? everything that depends on inet-superserver wants to pull down openbsd-inetd when there's already a perfectly good inetd implementation on the machine | 09:29 |
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| okaratas | hea | 09:37 |
| Burgwork | TerminX: you filed a bug? | 09:42 |
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| TerminX | Burgwork: yeah, a month ago, nobody ever responded to it | 09:47 |
| Burgwork | TerminX: provide a debdiff yourself | 09:47 |
| cjwatson | no point, it's trivial | 09:49 |
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| cjwatson | I'll prod it in a moment | 09:49 |
| cjwatson | providing patches for trivial bugs is a waste of time - if it's a one-liner or thereabouts and already adequately described, anyone with the competence to apply the patch can also Just Do It | 09:50 |
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| TerminX | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xinetd/+bug/79316 was the bug I filed; I don't know if it's in the right place or not (it was where someone in the #ubuntu-motu channel told me to post it) | 09:50 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 79316 in xinetd "Package doesn't provide 'inet-superserver' dependency" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 09:50 |
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| cjwatson | TerminX: fixed | 10:03 |
| TerminX | cjwatson: sweet, thanks :D | 10:03 |
| geser | what about update-inetd? does it work with xinetd? | 10:04 |
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| TerminX | geser: I think it prints out text notifying the user that they have to update the xinetd configuration manually | 10:05 |
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| cjwatson | right | 10:09 |
| cjwatson | there's an inetd compatibility mode documented in xinetd too | 10:09 |
| TerminX | that's just a one-time conversion of the inetd conf file to xinetd format, though, isn't it? | 10:10 |
| TerminX | unless something has changed (it has admittedly been a while since I've migrated from inetd to xinetd) | 10:10 |
| cjwatson | that's a different mode | 10:11 |
| cjwatson | apparently an -inetd_compat switch was added it 1:2.3.11-2 | 10:11 |
| cjwatson | in | 10:11 |
| cjwatson | no idea how well it works, as I don't use xinetd | 10:11 |
| cjwatson | TerminX: meh, Soyuz is broken and rejected my upload. I'll complain | 10:13 |
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