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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: MOTU | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 14 Feb 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 15 Feb 05:00 UTC: IRC Operators | 15 Feb 21:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Feb 15:00 UTC: Xubuntu | 21 Feb 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | ||
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| dholbach | hello everybody - do we have a motu meeting right now? | 11:02 |
| sistpoty | hi dholbach | 11:02 |
| ajmitch | we do! | 11:02 |
| dholbach | I thought maybe everybody was out to celebrate Valentine's day :) | 11:02 |
| ajmitch | at least I hope we have enough people | 11:02 |
| ajmitch | I think a few are | 11:02 |
| ajmitch | (or just sleeping) | 11:02 |
| dholbach | ok... who's here? | 11:02 |
| ajmitch | laserjock sends his apologies, 2AM isn't suitable | 11:02 |
| TheMuso | Valentine's day? Who'd waste their time with that? | 11:03 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 11:03 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: people who aren't single :) | 11:03 |
| TheMuso | Thats understandable IMO | 11:03 |
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| ajmitch | hey jsgotangco :) | 11:03 |
| === jsgotangco gives TheMuso @}--,-- | ||
| dholbach | http://xkcd.com/c223.html | 11:03 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: I tend to agree... 11am isn't suitable *g* | 11:03 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: I'm impressed that you're awake at this early hour :) | 11:03 |
| dholbach | scottk has an item on the agenda, but doesn't seem to be here | 11:03 |
| === tmarble notes 4 AM isn't ultra suitable either, :) | ||
| ajmitch | so the rest is sistpoty? :) | 11:04 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: well... awake is a different state than I'm in now *g+ | 11:04 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: you have some items on the agenda - why don't you start us off? | 11:04 |
| sistpoty | ok | 11:04 |
| sistpoty | anyone volunteering for the minutes? | 11:04 |
| ajmitch | um | 11:04 |
| === ajmitch may as well | ||
| sistpoty | cool, thx ajmitch | 11:05 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: I will if you'd rather not. | 11:05 |
| TheMuso | I don't mind you doing it, but if you really don't want to. | 11:05 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: ok, thanks :) | 11:05 |
| sistpoty | great, thx TheMuso | 11:05 |
| sistpoty | let's get started, right? | 11:05 |
| === TheMuso is autologging so can follow up. | ||
| sistpoty | first item: Proposal to drop the requirement for MOTU's to have new packages reviewed | 11:05 |
| sistpoty | well... we're always lagging with revu behind | 11:06 |
| ajmitch | and enough MOTUs skip this step | 11:06 |
| sistpoty | and imo it doesn't seem that sane that motu's should have the same requirements as non-motus to bring new packages in | 11:06 |
| TheMuso | As well as already having the rights and responsibilities that come with the title of MOTU. | 11:07 |
| ajmitch | it wasn't the same, but it was 1 other ACK | 11:07 |
| sistpoty | practices differ ;) | 11:07 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 11:07 |
| TheMuso | Yep. | 11:07 |
| ajmitch | the intended practice was that a MOTU upload to REVU & get 1 other MOTU to check it | 11:08 |
| sistpoty | well... I'd propose that motu's are "encouraged to get a new package reviewed" instead of forcing them to go through revu | 11:08 |
| sistpoty | what do you think? | 11:08 |
| ajmitch | that has frequently been skipped by MOTUs who've been around awhile :) | 11:08 |
| ajmitch | sure | 11:08 |
| TheMuso | I like that. | 11:08 |
| dholbach | I agree, TheMuso has a point... although I think that probably the MC should take that decision once it's active. This decision has more consequences than others. | 11:08 |
| TheMuso | One area that other reviewing is useful is copyright related stuff. | 11:08 |
| tfheen | as an archive team member, I'd be fine with you dropping the requirement, but if it ends up being even more rejects because of it, I'd like you to reconsider. | 11:08 |
| TheMuso | Fair enough. | 11:09 |
| sistpoty | great | 11:09 |
| sistpoty | any objections? | 11:10 |
| dholbach | what do you think about deferring the decision to the first MC meeting? | 11:10 |
| ajmitch | sounds fair | 11:10 |
| sistpoty | fine with me | 11:10 |
| TheMuso | Yep. I'm sure crimsun would have something to say on this. | 11:10 |
| dholbach | we gathered enough arguments now, but I think that a policy decision should be made by the MC | 11:10 |
| dholbach | alrighty, let's move on | 11:10 |
| sistpoty | ok... scottk isn't here, right? | 11:11 |
| dholbach | yeah, let's move on - we can discuss his question on the mailing list | 11:11 |
| sistpoty | Decide on standard policy for upstream debian dirs | 11:11 |
| dholbach | I don't think it's necessary to have a policy for that, but a "best practice" bit in the FAQ maybe | 11:11 |
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| dholbach | shall I kick off a thread on the mailing list for that? | 11:12 |
| TheMuso | I saw one package that renamed upstream's debian to debian.upstream. | 11:12 |
| sistpoty | well... it was discussed on the ml in the past, but without a result | 11:12 |
| sistpoty | so I'd rather discuss it here to have it settled | 11:12 |
| dholbach | ok, there are 3 possibilities: 1) remove it, 2) rename it, 3) leave it (and in all cases talk to upstream to get it removed there) | 11:12 |
| dholbach | (maybe also: repackage, native package) | 11:13 |
| === ajmitch tends towards leave it + fix it | ||
| TheMuso | I have seen many a package that ships with .spec files etc for rpm based distros, so what has been the problem with upstream providing a debian dir in the past? | 11:13 |
| sistpoty | imo the first thing would always be to ask upstream to remove it... if that won't work, I'd tend to say that any packager may do as he seems fit | 11:13 |
| sistpoty | TheMuso: the problem is that you cannot remove files from it (unless you remove them from the tarball) and that the .diff.gz looks kinda weird | 11:14 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: it's harder to change a number of files in a .diff.gz, since it doesn't track deletions well | 11:14 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 11:14 |
| dholbach | I don't think I'd dictate a workflow there. | 11:14 |
| ajmitch | it depends on how messy upstream's debian/ is | 11:14 |
| ajmitch | so up to the packager | 11:15 |
| ajmitch | I think the issue was new people getting conflicting advice | 11:15 |
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| dholbach | who wants to add a blurb to MOTU/FAQ? :) | 11:15 |
| sistpoty | ok... everybody agreeing that it's up to the packager? | 11:15 |
| TheMuso | Yep. | 11:15 |
| dholbach | yeah | 11:15 |
| sistpoty | great | 11:16 |
| sistpoty | I'll add the text to motu/faq, if no one else is faster ;) | 11:16 |
| sistpoty | let's move on, shall we? | 11:16 |
| dholbach | sure | 11:16 |
| dholbach | thanks sistpoty | 11:16 |
| TheMuso | yep ok | 11:16 |
| ajmitch | make it a fast meeting :) | 11:16 |
| sistpoty | :) | 11:16 |
| sistpoty | well, this was discussed on the ml as well... do we want zero-install injector? | 11:16 |
| tmarble | here's a naive question... if upstream debian/ is significantly changed does that hamper fix flow back to debian (i.e. does not minimize the debian-ubuntu diff)? | 11:16 |
| ajmitch | seems like there's only 4 of us here & active | 11:17 |
| ajmitch | tmarble: in this case, upstream is the original author, rather than debian | 11:17 |
| TheMuso | What is zero-install injector? | 11:17 |
| tmarble | ajmitch, ah i see (sorry for the confusion) | 11:17 |
| sistpoty | TheMuso: it let's an user install packages, which get downloaded by some means | 11:17 |
| ajmitch | tmarble: often the original upstream project might have someone who's contributing packaging in their project, and it's not in debian yet | 11:18 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: do we have a link to the project? who wanted to bring it into ubuntu? it sounds more like an archive admin decision to me? | 11:18 |
| grimace | www.0install.net | 11:18 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: I'm not really a fan of more breakage, but I've heard less scary things about zeroinstall than about autopackage | 11:18 |
| tsmithe | i think we should let 0install in, on the basis of not what it is, but it being an ok and legal package. we don't have to support it's efforts | 11:19 |
| sistpoty | tfheen: still there? could you share us your opinion on zero-install? | 11:19 |
| dholbach | ask pitti :) | 11:19 |
| tfheen | sistpoty: let me take a look. | 11:19 |
| ajmitch | see if he runs away screaming? | 11:19 |
| sistpoty | well, I reviewed the package (also looking at the code a lilttle bit) and it didn't seem too offensive security wise | 11:19 |
| tfheen | like klik, it seems. | 11:20 |
| sistpoty | however it provides an alternate means to install software | 11:20 |
| talex | Hi guys. I'm the author of Zero Install, so if you have any technical questions, ask away... | 11:20 |
| sistpoty | so I'm really undecided | 11:20 |
| sistpoty | hi talex | 11:20 |
| grimace | I've been running it for years very nicely ;) | 11:20 |
| sistpoty | how about letting archive admins decide on this issue? | 11:20 |
| dholbach | sistpoty++ | 11:21 |
| TheMuso | THat sounds sane to me. | 11:21 |
| tfheen | depends on how it works, but if it's like klik which does something like MacOS disk images, I'm fine with it, from an archive POV, but I think we can offer a much better user experience by packaging the software properly. | 11:21 |
| tfheen | talex might be able to comment (short) on that? | 11:21 |
| grimace | tfheen: then it will be up to the user to agree with you? | 11:21 |
| talex | It installs to a self contained directory, rather than a disk image, but same principle. | 11:21 |
| talex | Also, the download is an XML file, rather than a shell script, but the effect is the same. | 11:22 |
| tfheen | ok. | 11:23 |
| tfheen | from an archive point of view, that's fine with me and as long as it doesn't end up tripping the rest of the system (*cough* autopackage *cough*) it shouldn't cause problems either. | 11:23 |
| talex | Right. It will never install anything outside of ~/.cache/0install.net or (if run as root) /var/cache/0install.net | 11:24 |
| sistpoty | tfheen: ok, then I'll just upload the package and you can look at it via new... ok? | 11:24 |
| tfheen | sistpoty: sure. | 11:25 |
| sistpoty | great... let's move on | 11:25 |
| ajmitch | great, halfway through the meeting items | 11:25 |
| dholbach | sistpoty wants to review the uvf-process | 11:25 |
| ajmitch | UVF team/process | 11:25 |
| ajmitch | some confusion here | 11:25 |
| sistpoty | well... UVF has just started... | 11:25 |
| dholbach | slomo, siretart and I agreed to have the same uvf team again to avoid having to vote etc again | 11:25 |
| dholbach | the next team should be appointed by the MC (in time!) :) | 11:26 |
| dholbach | we just didn't want to have a delay because of that | 11:26 |
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| TheMuso | dholbach: Makes sense. | 11:26 |
| sistpoty | ok... have there been many UVF requests yet? are you getting along well? | 11:26 |
| dholbach | atm there are 7 open afaik | 11:26 |
| === ajmitch wasn't sure if he was meant to vote or not, so refrained from confusing people :) | ||
| sistpoty | (basically the item was just a ping to make sure everything's working as expected) | 11:26 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: if I get going this weekend I'll have a bunch more | 11:27 |
| dholbach | I'll go through the open bugs later today | 11:27 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: there's 1 unconfirmed assigned to motu-uvf | 11:27 |
| ajmitch | I think that once they're confirmed, motu-uvf should be unassigned, right? | 11:27 |
| dholbach | yeah that'd make sense | 11:27 |
| tmarble | sorry for the n00b question, just what exactly *is* the UVF process? (i.e. file special bugs, etc.)? | 11:28 |
| === ajmitch would think that would be internal team agreement | ||
| ajmitch | tmarble: yep, file a bug, assign it to motu-uvf | 11:28 |
| === ajmitch pulls up the wiki page | ||
| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9523bc4076ff011324d67cddc97969ec609618d6 | 11:28 |
| ajmitch | thanks | 11:28 |
| sistpoty | ok... if everything is working (as it looks to me), I see no need for further discussion | 11:29 |
| dholbach | tmarble: we're in upstream version freeze now, so a special team checks a upstream changelog diff and a diffstat before approval | 11:29 |
| dholbach | revu sprint sounds good :) | 11:29 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: so from that, motu-uvf don't upload on the 2nd ack, that's only for SRU :) | 11:29 |
| ajmitch | I thought another revu sprint was already scheduled? | 11:30 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: yep, right... there is no debdiff involved | 11:30 |
| sistpoty | is it? | 11:30 |
| dholbach | no | 11:30 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: News to me. | 11:30 |
| ajmitch | if not, then let's do it | 11:30 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: since you're chief of qa, please pick a sensible date ;) | 11:30 |
| ajmitch | hah | 11:30 |
| TheMuso | haha | 11:31 |
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| ajmitch | what time suits people? | 11:31 |
| sistpoty | hehe | 11:31 |
| ajmitch | monday/tuesday? | 11:31 |
| TheMuso | Whenever at the moment. I'm around a lot of my waking hours. | 11:31 |
| dholbach | sounds good to me | 11:31 |
| ajmitch | ok | 11:31 |
| sistpoty | sounds sane | 11:31 |
| ajmitch | it's generally just a time for people to do more reviewing | 11:31 |
| ajmitch | sanity, from me? | 11:32 |
| === ajmitch is slipping\ | ||
| dholbach | :-) | 11:32 |
| sistpoty | hehe | 11:32 |
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| TheMuso | ajmitch: lol | 11:32 |
| dholbach | ok... moving to TODOs | 11:32 |
| sistpoty | well... this point is up for everyone... | 11:32 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: is the item a try to update the TODO page? | 11:32 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I've slipped behind on getting more lists, and getting commented lists | 11:33 |
| dholbach | UnmetDeps for sure | 11:33 |
| dholbach | I see one 'transition' coming up, but the documentation for that is not ready yet: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PyDbgBuilds | 11:33 |
| ajmitch | since I promised a commentable unmet deps list & some others | 11:33 |
| dholbach | so don't mention that yet | 11:33 |
| ajmitch | how much work in that one? | 11:33 |
| dholbach | doko will write something to the lists too | 11:33 |
| TheMuso | Is there a way of getting a list of unmet deps for source packages? | 11:33 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: the basic way is apt-cache -u unmet | 11:34 |
| ajmitch | and then pushing that through a few filters to get a list of source packages | 11:34 |
| sistpoty | hm... how about doing mass bug filing for unmet deps? | 11:34 |
| ajmitch | should be easy enough if they're verified before filing | 11:34 |
| sistpoty | dholbach: didn't you do that with a script for edgy? | 11:35 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: massfiling bugs? | 11:35 |
| sistpoty | dholbach: yep | 11:35 |
| === ajmitch would like to see that pre-tagging support for filing bugs in malone | ||
| dholbach | sistpoty: http://daniel.holba.ch/bzr/massfile | 11:35 |
| sistpoty | cool | 11:35 |
| ajmitch | who's going to do it? we don't want 2 or 3 people mass-filing :) | 11:36 |
| === sistpoty hides behind his thesis | ||
| dholbach | I thought about using python-bughelper to determine if bugs are already filed. | 11:37 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: fine, I'll volunteer :P | 11:37 |
| dholbach | but I'm not sure it's going to work as it is atm | 11:37 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: great :) | 11:37 |
| geser | on which arch will the checking be done for the bugs? | 11:37 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: it'd be slow & cause plenty of LP load | 11:37 |
| ajmitch | geser: amd64 or x86, I've got both | 11:37 |
| ajmitch | in a nice squeaky clean chroot | 11:37 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: no no :) | 11:38 |
| geser | there are some unmet deps which only appear on one arch (due to ftbfs) | 11:38 |
| dholbach | what else do we have? how are the merges looking? | 11:38 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: no no? | 11:38 |
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| ajmitch | merges are looking better | 11:38 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: no no "slow" :) | 11:38 |
| TheMuso_ | um.... ok guys | 11:38 |
| sistpoty | well... we still have ajmitch's list of RC-bug fixes | 11:38 |
| ajmitch | there are still a number of serious/grave bugs that debian has fixed | 11:38 |
| TheMuso_ | I was cut off. What'd I miss? | 11:38 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 11:38 |
| sistpoty | and lucas list's of FTBFS | 11:38 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: you've been delegated to fix universe bugs | 11:39 |
| dholbach | TheMuso_: I'll paste you what happened | 11:39 |
| ajmitch | logs should be on the usual place later | 11:39 |
| TheMuso_ | dholbach: Thanks. | 11:39 |
| dholbach | what else do we have? pythondbg (once it gets started), unmet deps, merges - what else? :) | 11:40 |
| sistpoty | bug fixing, bug fixing, bug fixing ... | 11:40 |
| dholbach | ok, sounds good :) | 11:40 |
| ajmitch | so more sync request need to be filed for the RC bugs, I filed about 50 already, I'll get onto doing some more | 11:40 |
| dholbach | ahh... how many motus are you mentoring at the moment? | 11:40 |
| ajmitch | I may need UVF exceptions, so be ready :) | 11:40 |
| ajmitch | none | 11:40 |
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| dholbach | i don't believe a word :) | 11:41 |
| dholbach | ok... if people talk to you, we should be good at pointing them at the todo | 11:41 |
| TheMuso_ | ajmitch: You are thorough. | 11:41 |
| sistpoty | ok... anything else on the TODO-list? if not let's agree on a date of the next meeting | 11:41 |
| dholbach | maybe we should also try to tag universe bugs as "packaging bug" or something | 11:41 |
| ajmitch | ok, we've got enough to keep the TODO updated? | 11:41 |
| dholbach | so people who are interested can get involved easily in fixing packaging | 11:42 |
| TheMuso_ | who's updating it? | 11:42 |
| sistpoty | dholbach++ | 11:42 |
| dholbach | what do you think about having a universe bug sprint to do just that | 11:42 |
| ajmitch | bug triage, or bug fixing? | 11:42 |
| dholbach | for bughelper bugs we use "bitesize" to indicate an easy bug | 11:42 |
| TheMuso_ | I guess that sort of thing can happen after FF? | 11:42 |
| dholbach | triage, so we can point people to a list of bugs | 11:42 |
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| dholbach | maybe we should have a discussion about bug tags on the mailing list | 11:42 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: sounds like something the bugsquad may be able to do | 11:42 |
| sistpoty | that would be great | 11:42 |
| dholbach | i can see "packaging" and "bitesize" as useful already | 11:43 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: we should do that too | 11:43 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: we can't shove bugs to "bugsquad" | 11:43 |
| ajmitch | if there are people in the bugsquad who can identify stuff as packaging bugs | 11:43 |
| dholbach | that doesn't work | 11:43 |
| ajmitch | no, but I'd hope that they be the first line of bug triage :) | 11:43 |
| dholbach | we should make an effort too | 11:43 |
| dholbach | and explain what our "guidelines" and "ideas" are | 11:43 |
| ajmitch | of course, I'm not saying that we should drop it on them | 11:43 |
| dholbach | ok | 11:44 |
| dholbach | any other business? | 11:44 |
| geser | what should we do with mozilla-browser in feisty? it's removed from debian and replaced with seamonkey upstream | 11:44 |
| ajmitch | next meeting time | 11:44 |
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| ajmitch | if we keep mozilla-browser in feisty, someone will need to keep it updated | 11:44 |
| geser | from where will you update it? upstream abandoned it | 11:45 |
| sistpoty | I'd like to go with debian in this respect, unless someone is volunteering to take care of it | 11:45 |
| === ajmitch agrees | ||
| dholbach | next meeting time: maybe we should have a MC meeting first and discuss where we want to go with MC meetings vs MOTU meetings | 11:45 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: sounds good, so we need a MC first :) | 11:46 |
| geser | should we replace mozilla-browser with iceape? | 11:46 |
| dholbach | right-o | 11:46 |
| dholbach | what about MC meeting end of next week? | 11:46 |
| ajmitch | sounds good | 11:46 |
| dholbach | that'd leave some time for the MC to talk to each other etc | 11:46 |
| ajmitch | 3 (potential) MC members here to agree on it, so it should work | 11:47 |
| sistpoty | yep... sounds sane | 11:47 |
| dholbach | friday same time? a bit later? | 11:47 |
| ajmitch | votes close in 13 hours, will you announce to the world after that? | 11:47 |
| ajmitch | friday 10:00UTC? | 11:48 |
| sistpoty | dholbach: a bit later would be nice for me :P | 11:48 |
| ajmitch | will sistpoty be awake? | 11:48 |
| sistpoty | hehe | 11:48 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: 2h more? :) | 11:48 |
| ajmitch | not too much later, please :) | 11:48 |
| === TheMuso_ notes that ajmitch set himself a trap. | ||
| sistpoty | well.. 10utc is fine for me as well... I wanted to get a saner wake-sleep rythm anyways | 11:48 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso_: sistpoty is more in my timezone than dholbach's ;) | 11:48 |
| dholbach | ok fri, 23rd 10 utc MC meeting | 11:49 |
| ajmitch | ok | 11:49 |
| === ajmitch notes that on his calendar | ||
| dholbach | excellent | 11:49 |
| dholbach | thanks a lot to everybody for a QUICK meeting | 11:49 |
| sistpoty | cool :) | 11:49 |
| ajmitch | thanks! | 11:49 |
| dholbach | we're getting quite disciplined :) | 11:49 |
| sistpoty | thanks | 11:49 |
| ajmitch | it helped that there were so few of us | 11:49 |
| === TheMuso_ will endever to have the minutes on the ml in the next hour or so. | ||
| ajmitch | TheMuso_: thank you very much | 11:49 |
| === dholbach writes a mail to ubuntu-bugsquad@ and ubuntu-motu@ | ||
| TheMuso_ | np | 11:50 |
| ajmitch | http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-current.html should have the full log in 30min or so, or I can stick it somewhere for you | 11:50 |
| TheMuso_ | Now if freenode could just kick my original connection, I'd be happier. :) | 11:50 |
| dholbach | /msg nickserv ghost themuso <password> | 11:51 |
| TheMuso_ | ajmitch: Besides the cutoff, where dholbach msgd the missed bits, I have it logged | 11:51 |
| TheMuso_ | dholbach: thanks | 11:51 |
| ajmitch | ok, I've got the whole thing | 11:51 |
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| TheMuso | ajmitch: Thanks, but I'll probably not need it. | 11:52 |
| ajmitch | http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/motu-meeting.log | 11:52 |
| === TheMuso grabs anyway | ||
| TheMuso | thanks | 11:52 |
| TheMuso | I think NSW ADSL customers experienced something weird. | 11:53 |
| TheMuso | anyways, back to -motu | 11:53 |
| TheMuso | thanks folks | 11:53 |
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| juliux | @schedule | 04:26 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Etc/UTC: 14 Feb 20:00: Edubuntu | 15 Feb 05:00: IRC Operators | 15 Feb 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Feb 15:00: Xubuntu | 21 Feb 12:00: Edubuntu | 22 Feb 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04:26 |
| juliux | @schedule berlin | 04:27 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 14 Feb 21:00: Edubuntu | 15 Feb 06:00: IRC Operators | 15 Feb 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Feb 16:00: Xubuntu | 21 Feb 13:00: Edubuntu | 22 Feb 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04:27 |
| azeem | W62 | 04:31 |
| azeem | oops. | 04:31 |
| gnomefreak | @schedule new_york | 04:32 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/New_York: 14 Feb 15:00: Edubuntu | 15 Feb 00:00: IRC Operators | 15 Feb 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Feb 10:00: Xubuntu | 21 Feb 07:00: Edubuntu | 22 Feb 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04:32 |
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| === ogra waves | ||
| willvdl | woot | 09:00 |
| ogra | RichEd cant attend today | 09:00 |
| willvdl | Firstly, thanks to anyone that is facing the wrath of wives, girlfrineds, boyfriends etc. by being here | 09:00 |
| ogra | on my side there is not much for tech ... last week was bus feautre freeze week ... this week is herd4 preparation week | 09:01 |
| ogra | *busy | 09:01 |
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| ogra | so all i can say, help testing ! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ReportingResults has the new testing procedures | 09:02 |
| ogra | to compensate the not implemented fat clients i enabled the kiosk plugin in ltsp ... you are able to build a webkiosk now very easily | 09:03 |
| ogra | so we have at least the basic structure for a fat client ... people wanting a full desktop kiosk mode can even install (ed)ubuntu-desktop in the client ... | 09:04 |
| willvdl | cool | 09:04 |
| willvdl | had a chat with heno | 09:04 |
| willvdl | seems LP is used mainly for test tracking (ooh what's that link again) | 09:04 |
| ogra | it explains how to use LP :) | 09:04 |
| ogra | what i'd like to point out to everyone is: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UES-Sevilla | 09:05 |
| juliux | evening | 09:05 |
| juliux | sorry i am late | 09:05 |
| ogra | we will have our next educational conference in may | 09:05 |
| willvdl | ogra: yeah :) https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-iso-tests | 09:05 |
| willvdl | v. excited about this | 09:06 |
| ogra | from may 3rd to may 4th we'll try to gather as many educators as possible in sevilla | 09:06 |
| ogra | anybody is free to come indeed :) | 09:06 |
| Spec | in spain? | 09:06 |
| ogra | yep | 09:06 |
| willvdl | yip | 09:07 |
| willvdl | right before UDS | 09:07 |
| ogra | it is directly attached to UDS | 09:07 |
| ogra | anyway, thats all from my side unless there are questions | 09:08 |
| willvdl | as RichEd would put it, it is a conf aimed at both "above the desktop" and "below" | 09:08 |
| ogra | oh, if you test feisty, please test the serveraddon iso as well | 09:08 |
| willvdl | how's 2nd CD coming along? | 09:08 |
| willvdl | haven't had a chance to look this week | 09:08 |
| ogra | well, i havent done the seed changes yet | 09:09 |
| juliux | ogra, when is herd4 released? | 09:09 |
| LaserJock | well, I still have a list of MIR Candidates at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha/EdubuntuMIRCandidates | 09:09 |
| ogra | so it's still the same as last week | 09:09 |
| juliux | or will release | 09:09 |
| ogra | juliux, tomorrow is ETA ... dunno if it will make it | 09:09 |
| juliux | ogra, yes my fault i thought today is already the 15th;9 | 09:09 |
| LaserJock | I've almost finished a MIR for rasmol (I had a nightmare the other day that iwj found a CVE I didn't find) | 09:09 |
| ogra | i'm planning to shuffle the seeds as soon as the Cd is out ... the dailies after that miught break horribly, so be careful | 09:10 |
| willvdl | LaserJock, rasmol? | 09:10 |
| ogra | LaserJock, heh | 09:10 |
| LaserJock | molecule visualization | 09:10 |
| ogra | LaserJock, so we share some fears actually :) | 09:10 |
| LaserJock | it's like the first chemistry app I used | 09:10 |
| LaserJock | the problem I'm seeing is the field get's narrowed down very fast if you take out apps that have a lot of dependencies in Universe and ones that aren't maintained well (either in Debian or upstream) | 09:11 |
| ogra | yep | 09:11 |
| ogra | but the field of apps in main we dont ship yet is big as well | 09:12 |
| ogra | i'm pretty sure we'll get together something sufficient for feisty ... even if only one or two new apps come from universe | 09:12 |
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| LaserJock | I'd like to get qcad, octave, and stellarium in | 09:13 |
| ogra | qucad is a good one | 09:13 |
| ogra | -u | 09:13 |
| LaserJock | drgeo has a dead upstream otherwise I'd do it | 09:13 |
| ajmitch | is moodle going into main? | 09:13 |
| LaserJock | it'll have to be reworked | 09:13 |
| LaserJock | i.e. not for Feisty that I know of | 09:13 |
| ogra | ajmitch, it would have needed to be in before FF | 09:13 |
| LaserJock | maybe ogra's worked on that | 09:13 |
| ajmitch | ogra: a shame | 09:14 |
| ogra | yeah | 09:14 |
| LaserJock | I'd *like* to do it for Feisty+1 | 09:14 |
| === ajmitch of course has authtool still stuck in NEW, so it won't get into main | ||
| ogra | i'll package the most recent version for feisty+1 closely working with upstream (who will come to UES i hope) | 09:14 |
| LaserJock | I was going to do it for Feisty but my time has been severly short | 09:14 |
| ogra | it can be a ubuntuesque package that doesnt need to go to debian i.e. moodle1.7 | 09:15 |
| LaserJock | as far as 2nd CD stuff goes | 09:15 |
| LaserJock | I really need feedback from educators | 09:16 |
| ajmitch | ogra: I suggest looking at dbconfig-common to replace wwwconfig-common :) | 09:16 |
| ogra | that saves us headdaches with upgrade paths and gives us the possibility to keep the 1.6 package for people who want it ... | 09:16 |
| LaserJock | I have some ideas of packages but I'd rather package what educators already know they need, rather than what I think they need | 09:16 |
| === ajmitch won't derail the meeting further | ||
| ogra | ajmitch, well, either that or totally without ***config-common | 09:16 |
| ajmitch | if you want to write all the db creation & management scripts yourself | 09:17 |
| ogra | for new packages we have all options :) | 09:17 |
| ogra | notMax, but i can ask upstream to maintain them in a way that my postinst doesnt need to be freakys | 09:17 |
| LaserJock | ogra: how strict is the "only one app for each task" for Edubuntu? | 09:18 |
| ogra | that was supposed to read "no", sorry notMax | 09:18 |
| ogra | LaserJock, depends, what do you propose ? | 09:18 |
| LaserJock | I found several good calculator/function plotter type apps | 09:18 |
| LaserJock | but they are really for different levels | 09:19 |
| willvdl | LaserJock, I would imagine they would also tie into different backends? | 09:19 |
| ogra | do you think you will find more of such apps ? | 09:19 |
| LaserJock | lybniz is a really basic and usable function plotter that would be good for younger kids | 09:19 |
| LaserJock | but qalculate is a really cool and powerful calculator (I hate to even call it that) | 09:19 |
| LaserJock | it does unit conversion, plotting, etc. | 09:19 |
| willvdl | and the kde one? kplot is it? | 09:19 |
| ogra | kig i think | 09:20 |
| LaserJock | yeah, there are a few kde ones | 09:20 |
| LaserJock | qalculate has both gtk and qt versions I believe | 09:20 |
| willvdl | yeah, kig | 09:20 |
| LaserJock | seperate source though, which is weird | 09:20 |
| willvdl | LaserJock, what about Logo/Squeak type thingies? | 09:20 |
| LaserJock | Squeak is non-free | 09:21 |
| LaserJock | not sure what we have for Logo | 09:21 |
| ogra | we should go with the best still ... if we find more apps to categorize them i.e. in an edubuntu-science-advanced metapackage we should do so ... | 09:21 |
| ogra | we have kturtle | 09:21 |
| willvdl | love kturtle | 09:21 |
| LaserJock | ogra: my point was, if I find apps that are sort of the same thing, just designed for different age ranges, is that considered a duplicate? | 09:21 |
| ogra | thjats apparently still the best logo app | 09:21 |
| willvdl | kturtle :) | 09:22 |
| ogra | LaserJock, not if we can group them into install tasks i would say | 09:22 |
| ogra | if its only one single app i'd say we should consider exceptions on a case by case base | 09:22 |
| LaserJock | ok, that's sort of what I was thinking | 09:22 |
| LaserJock | so far calculators are the only ones I've run into | 09:23 |
| willvdl | LaserJock, I'm not familiar with the packages but I woudl assume it's OK if one=primary and the other=secondary | 09:23 |
| ogra | i'm all for replacing the gnome default calculator for example ... | 09:23 |
| ogra | that leaves us with only one additional app ;) | 09:23 |
| LaserJock | ogra: ok, so what is your feeling on me doing some more MIRs? | 09:24 |
| ogra | since i expect at least one of them can work like a standard calculator | 09:24 |
| LaserJock | I asked -devel if FF applied to these 2nd CD apps | 09:24 |
| LaserJock | and they said it was basically up to you | 09:24 |
| ogra | LaserJock, itz wont hurt ... if we dont get them in we still have MIRs we only need to update | 09:24 |
| LaserJock | ok | 09:24 |
| ogra | concentrate on the ones with the lest deps | 09:25 |
| LaserJock | I'll continue working on them, and hopefully at a much more rapid pace | 09:25 |
| ogra | *least | 09:25 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 09:25 |
| LaserJock | that's why I started with rasmol | 09:25 |
| LaserJock | rasmol, lybniz, and qcad don't need any deps from Universe | 09:25 |
| ogra | great | 09:25 |
| LaserJock | octave is one that has a few | 09:26 |
| LaserJock | but in my thread on the forums it comes up a lot | 09:26 |
| LaserJock | as the best free Matlab replacement | 09:26 |
| ogra | is drgeo in main ? | 09:26 |
| LaserJock | but it needs lam, mpich, hdf5, gnuplot, libgd | 09:26 |
| LaserJock | no | 09:26 |
| ogra | its an often requested app | 09:26 |
| LaserJock | and it's upstream is dead so I didn't know if we could do a MIR or not | 09:26 |
| juliux | octave is the beste math tool i ever used | 09:27 |
| ogra | drgeo ? | 09:27 |
| ogra | hmm, that ssad | 09:27 |
| LaserJock | yeah, Burgwork found it for me | 09:27 |
| willvdl | octave upstream dead? | 09:27 |
| LaserJock | not octave, drgeo | 09:27 |
| willvdl | ah | 09:27 |
| LaserJock | drgeo really looks like a good app | 09:27 |
| ogra | yeah, but nothing for now ... | 09:28 |
| LaserJock | anyway | 09:28 |
| LaserJock | I've been digging around | 09:28 |
| LaserJock | trying to see which ones are worth it, etc. | 09:28 |
| LaserJock | and I'm almost done with rasmol | 09:28 |
| ogra | good | 09:28 |
| LaserJock | but I should have more up by the end of the week | 09:28 |
| LaserJock | I got some gchemutils work out of the way last night | 09:29 |
| ogra | i'll kick kdeedu and gcompris off the CD on friday then ... | 09:29 |
| ogra | and have a look around main for apps we could use | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | oh, and I talked with jono about jokosher | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | I don't know if I mentioned it to you ogra | 09:29 |
| willvdl | intersting angle | 09:30 |
| ogra | yep you did | 09:30 |
| LaserJock | k | 09:30 |
| ogra | inkscape looks like a good one ... | 09:30 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 09:30 |
| LaserJock | I'll go through Main too, I hadn't really thought about that | 09:30 |
| ogra | with the free space we can finally ship mono ... how about f-spot by default ? | 09:30 |
| ogra | *f-spot | 09:31 |
| willvdl | interesting, these are not what one "traditionally" lumps into educational tools? | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | willvdl: it's still a computer :-) | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | I think f-spot would be good | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | tomboy too | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | as students can keep notes | 09:31 |
| ogra | willvdl, well, an app for vector drawing should be a standard | 09:31 |
| ogra | we ship gimp for pixel pushing ... so we can as well grab inkscape :) | 09:32 |
| willvdl | ogra, it should be in main as DTP app... | 09:32 |
| ogra | inkscape is in main | 09:32 |
| ogra | it's just not on any CDs yet | 09:32 |
| willvdl | ah. there we go. gotcha | 09:32 |
| LaserJock | is there an easy way to see what's in Main but not on the CDs? | 09:32 |
| ogra | there are a bunch of such apps, i need to dig through that ... | 09:33 |
| ogra | the seeds ... | 09:33 |
| ogra | and germinate should be able to help you as well | 09:33 |
| LaserJock | well, I could grab the Packages.gz from Main and subtract out what's in the seeds | 09:33 |
| ogra | right | 09:33 |
| LaserJock | I'm sure Pete could write something ;-) | 09:34 |
| ogra | heh | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | he wrote me a little script to check the deps | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | for MIRs | 09:34 |
| pochu | @now | 09:34 |
| Ubugtu | Current time in Etc/UTC: February 14 2007, 20:34:29 - Current meeting: Edubuntu | 09:34 |
| ogra | i'll need him for the TCM fixes .... | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 09:34 |
| ogra | so dont put to much on hi, | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | how's TCM going? | 09:34 |
| ogra | *him | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | I won't I promise? | 09:34 |
| ogra | i fixed the final glitches with the package today | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | s/?/:-)/ | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | sounds like big improvments since SCP | 09:35 |
| ogra | the vnc part on my side is missing ... but thats a trivial one ... | 09:35 |
| LaserJock | I haven't had a chance to use it as I don't have an LTSP setup | 09:35 |
| LaserJock | but the screenshots look pretty cool | 09:35 |
| ogra | will be fixed with the next ltsp upload i think | 09:35 |
| juliux | ogra, is there a working TCM in herd4? | 09:35 |
| ogra | juliux, kind of | 09:35 |
| ogra | all old features will work ... | 09:35 |
| ogra | there were no regressions ... | 09:36 |
| juliux | and the new ones also? | 09:36 |
| ogra | the new features still all have bugs | 09:36 |
| juliux | ok | 09:36 |
| ogra | but try them out and file them please :) | 09:36 |
| ogra | so we get a list together | 09:36 |
| juliux | we will do | 09:36 |
| willvdl | is TCM registered on Malone? | 09:36 |
| ogra | great :) | 09:36 |
| juliux | we have the whole sunday for testing,) | 09:36 |
| ogra | willvdl, only the package i think ... not sure pete has an LP branch for it | 09:37 |
| willvdl | so no bzr branch, but can catch bugs | 09:37 |
| ogra | as long as we're only two devs its fine to play pingpong with the source package | 09:37 |
| ogra | but it should have a branch indeed | 09:38 |
| ogra | i'll talk to pete about that | 09:38 |
| willvdl | not really, maybe as it's released | 09:38 |
| ogra | oh, one other thing ... if you test, please give feedback about the new usplash :) | 09:38 |
| juliux | ogra, ok | 09:39 |
| willvdl | got a snpashot? | 09:39 |
| ogra | kwwii made us aa new one :) | 09:39 |
| willvdl | snapshot rather? | 09:39 |
| ogra | not of a running one, but i can upload the pic, one moment | 09:39 |
| willvdl | coool | 09:40 |
| LaserJock | is the other artwork new yet? | 09:41 |
| ogra | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/usplash_1024_768.png | 09:41 |
| ogra | nope, not yet | 09:41 |
| LaserJock | k, I just wondered | 09:41 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I like the usplash | 09:42 |
| juliux | nice usplash | 09:42 |
| ogra | ken will develop an ubuntu theme weher we will just apply color changes as i understoofd his plan | 09:42 |
| LaserJock | the lettering looks a little too "fuzzy" for me but I love the logo | 09:42 |
| ogra | i'm currently hacking on svg support for ldm ... | 09:42 |
| LaserJock | doh | 09:42 |
| ogra | LaserJock, you need to scale it right :) | 09:42 |
| willvdl | LaserJock, zoom in | 09:43 |
| LaserJock | I just needed to get it at 100%, my browser was shrinking it | 09:43 |
| willvdl | as you mentioned it, I thought the same thing :) | 09:43 |
| LaserJock | ok, yeah, I really like it | 09:43 |
| willvdl | snap | 09:43 |
| ogra | we have a nice redish progressbar for that ... | 09:43 |
| willvdl | same style? | 09:43 |
| ogra | same style as ubuntu | 09:44 |
| ogra | just a different color | 09:44 |
| willvdl | I'm not mad about the 6.10 progress bar | 09:44 |
| ogra | test the herd4 liveCD :P | 09:44 |
| ogra | there you can see it in action | 09:44 |
| willvdl | ogra, I wish. bandwidth is a commodity here :) | 09:44 |
| LaserJock | willvdl: I didn't like it either | 09:45 |
| willvdl | fortunately I sit next to marilize so I can steal CDs :) | 09:45 |
| ogra | willvdl, you should get a cdimage mirror to the hbd office ... | 09:45 |
| ogra | rsyncs are cheaper than downnloads | 09:45 |
| willvdl | ogra, there is one but that's another story. perhaps not in here :) | 09:45 |
| ogra | ok :) | 09:45 |
| willvdl | I guess we're in artwork? | 09:46 |
| ogra | well, i guess that was artwork | 09:46 |
| ogra | unless someone else has anything to show :) | 09:46 |
| ogra | i'll talk to colin after herd4 if we can get the usplash pic into the CD bootscreen as well | 09:47 |
| willvdl | is that guy on https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuArtwork/Palette modelled on Pete? :) | 09:47 |
| ogra | that urgently needs an update | 09:47 |
| ogra | thats from pete and his wife afaik | 09:48 |
| willvdl | looks a bit like him. if you squint jsut right | 09:48 |
| willvdl | ogra, I presume the motd thingy will wait a bit? | 09:48 |
| ogra | i'll look into it ... might be only a trivial confiog switch in gdm | 09:49 |
| ogra | if not it has to wait, yes | 09:49 |
| ogra | really depends how big that change might be | 09:49 |
| willvdl | the icons that get shipped, how are they genrally licensed? | 09:50 |
| ogra | i think they are gpl ... | 09:50 |
| ogra | not the best for icons | 09:50 |
| ogra | let me look it up ... one sec | 09:51 |
| ogra | the debian package says GPL | 09:51 |
| willvdl | so if I reuse on the wiki and the wiki is CC-BY-SA... | 09:52 |
| ogra | F.A.Q: | 09:53 |
| ogra | Q: What's Gartoon License? | 09:53 |
| ogra | A: Starting 0.5 Gartoon lincensed under GPL (read GPL.txt) | 09:53 |
| ogra | aha | 09:53 |
| willvdl | I should then just make a reference/attribution where I reuse | 09:54 |
| === LaserJock loves licensing :-) *cough* | ||
| willvdl | e.g. https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu?action=show | 09:54 |
| willvdl | anyhoo, above link is not "live" yet but is the culmination of work I've done trying to cleanup and organise our wiki pages | 09:56 |
| willvdl | I think I need a "misc" section though | 09:56 |
| LaserJock | I think nixternal is getting the edubuntu-docs MIR written up | 09:57 |
| ogra | yippie | 09:57 |
| LaserJock | we have a few bugs to work out in the yelp frontpage | 09:58 |
| willvdl | now we jsut need to get the edubuntu-docs written up :) | 09:58 |
| LaserJock | but mdke said he'll work on that | 09:58 |
| ogra | i thought there is a lot | 09:58 |
| LaserJock | we dep on ubuntu-docs | 09:58 |
| willvdl | just kidding | 09:58 |
| ogra | we just need them imported into the package | 09:58 |
| LaserJock | so people will get all the Ubuntu documentation | 09:58 |
| willvdl | LaserJock, I can't wait to see the end result cause then I reckon I'll finally get my head around the technicalities of TBH | 09:59 |
| LaserJock | so the "bug" we need to fix is to remove About Ubuntu | 09:59 |
| LaserJock | well, it'll be interesting | 09:59 |
| LaserJock | but at least better than what we've had in the past | 10:00 |
| willvdl | one option is to make the "About" page generic to all derivitives | 10:00 |
| LaserJock | I think Feisty+1 will be more consistent | 10:00 |
| willvdl | which could possibly make sense... less duplication on common features | 10:01 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: I am looking at the MIR now, sorry but I have been so bogged down this week | 10:02 |
| nixternal | Availability: Not yet? | 10:02 |
| LaserJock | the package *is* in Universe | 10:02 |
| LaserJock | just not the final form | 10:02 |
| ogra | ogra@edubuntu:~/packages/gartoon-0.5$ apt-cache madison edubuntu-docs | 10:03 |
| ogra | edubuntu-docs | 0.4-1 | http://de.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Packages | 10:03 |
| ogra | edubuntu-docs | 0.4-1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Sources | 10:03 |
| ogra | if you need any repackaging etc, ping me | 10:03 |
| LaserJock | I had a look at nixternal's packaging | 10:03 |
| ogra | currently it installs two html files without any integration ... | 10:03 |
| LaserJock | built and installed it too | 10:03 |
| ogra | i'm fine with replacing whats there | 10:04 |
| LaserJock | it seems good, it's based off of the ubuntu-docs source package | 10:04 |
| ogra | LaserJock, if ayou are fine with the package feel free to upload | 10:04 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: we should check the firefox page though | 10:04 |
| LaserJock | ogra: k | 10:04 |
| ogra | the firefox page is in edubuntu-artwork | 10:04 |
| ogra | please check for other clashes as well | 10:04 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: yes, I will work on that unless you want to rock it out quickly | 10:05 |
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| nixternal | LaserJock: whoa whoa | 10:05 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: what? | 10:05 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: the Firefox page is packaged with edubuntu-artwork | 10:05 |
| nixternal | so you need to fix it there, unless it gets removed from there and incorporated into the edubuntu-docs package, which of course only makes sense | 10:06 |
| ogra | its the only doc we have, it didnt really justify a whole package ... | 10:06 |
| LaserJock | nah, -artwork is fine for now | 10:06 |
| LaserJock | I don't want to "rock the boat" too much at this point | 10:06 |
| ogra | well, it should move eventually ... | 10:06 |
| ogra | but that must not be now if it generates extra work | 10:07 |
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| LaserJock | anyway, we can talk details later | 10:07 |
| ogra | really up to you guys ... i'll do what the docteam says ;) | 10:07 |
| LaserJock | we need a MIR and get it going | 10:07 |
| ogra | right | 10:07 |
| LaserJock | we can fix bugs a bit later | 10:07 |
| ogra | just wipe the existing package with something with a higher version | 10:08 |
| nixternal | LaserJock / ogra: we can always start out feisty+1 with the new implementation to save issues? | 10:08 |
| ogra | as long as we keep a working upgrade path we can do everything ;) | 10:08 |
| nixternal | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportEdubuntuDocs <- LaserJock | 10:08 |
| nixternal | oh shoot, I forgot that we were in a meeting right now :) I just connected from school | 10:08 |
| nixternal | haha, I thought we were in #*-motu | 10:09 |
| ogra | well, i dont think there is much left oin the plate for the meeting | 10:09 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: that MIR is rough, but started :) | 10:09 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: I can tweak it when you're done :-) | 10:09 |
| nixternal | I am done for the time being if you want to tweak it a little | 10:10 |
| ogra | so we could as well end it here and you can go on with packaging in #edubuntu :) | 10:10 |
| nixternal | that is the first time I have done one, so I am expecting it to be horrible | 10:10 |
| ogra | well, its our own package so there wont be any external CVEs or something ... | 10:11 |
| nixternal | true | 10:11 |
| ogra | and its only docs | 10:11 |
| nixternal | ya, how dangerous can they be :) | 10:11 |
| ogra | i dont expect problems with the MIR | 10:11 |
| nixternal | oh wait, I have been working on them, so be careful ;p | 10:11 |
| ogra | ujnless iwj complains about the format ... | 10:11 |
| nixternal | sure, whatever that means | 10:12 |
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| ogra | make sure to not use the plain template ... but put some formulation work in etc | 10:12 |
| ogra | he wants to see some effort from a MIR writer | 10:12 |
| nixternal | ahh | 10:12 |
| ogra | so you show your intrest in the package | 10:12 |
| ogra | (thats how he said it ) | 10:13 |
| nixternal | very well put I must say | 10:13 |
| nixternal | gotta sell it! | 10:13 |
| ogra | heh | 10:13 |
| willvdl | stelis, are you in here? | 10:14 |
| stelis | Yes | 10:14 |
| willvdl | can you paste the link to the docs you're working on in here? | 10:14 |
| willvdl | I lost it in my logs | 10:14 |
| stelis | http://www.elsn.org/downloads/edubuntu/drafts/edubuntu-quickstart.html | 10:14 |
| willvdl | thanks. sorry for the noise folks but I want to start integrating more from other peoples docs | 10:15 |
| nixternal | stelis: you think that your docs could be incorporated into the current Edubuntu Handbook? | 10:15 |
| nixternal | willvdl: I take it you are on it already :) | 10:15 |
| willvdl | nixternal, time :) | 10:15 |
| nixternal | woohoo, one less thing for me to worry over right now | 10:16 |
| willvdl | but if things don't go according to pplan then I will have next week relatively free | 10:16 |
| stelis | I'm not actually sure where the current HB is | 10:16 |
| ogra | instead of https://wiki.edubuntu.com/EdubuntuLtsConfParams you should rather point to /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts-parameters.txt.gz that will have always the recent supported list | 10:16 |
| ogra | stelis, ^^ | 10:16 |
| stelis | I pulled a SVN before Xmas | 10:16 |
| willvdl | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Documentation/Handbook | 10:16 |
| stelis | ogra: Thanks | 10:16 |
| nixternal | stelis: the docs are stored at https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk | 10:17 |
| ogra | apart from that this is a really beautiful doc, kudos | 10:17 |
| stelis | Thanks | 10:17 |
| nixternal | more info can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository | 10:17 |
| stelis | FWIW, the idea was to have a stopgap until there is a HB | 10:17 |
| nixternal | stelis: yes, it is an awesome doc, and just what we needed! As it stands, this makes the handbook almost complete, then you are my new HERO! | 10:17 |
| nixternal | hell, all the work you put into it, you are my hero :) | 10:18 |
| stelis | I guess it depends how comprehensive you want your HB to be | 10:18 |
| willvdl | stelis, as comprehensive as possible | 10:19 |
| nixternal | stelis: we shall leave that up to willvdl, I am just a docmonkey | 10:19 |
| willvdl | as as many audience as possible. | 10:19 |
| willvdl | v. ambitious | 10:19 |
| stelis | This Quickstart is enough to get somebody going | 10:19 |
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| nixternal | they feed me bananas and I type, quite horribly I might add | 10:19 |
| stelis | The text is complete enough as is | 10:19 |
| stelis | Bananas are good :) | 10:19 |
| willvdl | nixternal, as long as you can fix my broken links I'm happy | 10:19 |
| nixternal | willvdl: what broken links? | 10:19 |
| willvdl | you'll see | 10:20 |
| nixternal | lol | 10:20 |
| willvdl | my docbook is still rusty and frayed | 10:20 |
| nixternal | ahh | 10:20 |
| willvdl | stelis, I wanted to this week but hopefully next week I can dedicate hours to integrating your stuff | 10:20 |
| stelis | OK. | 10:21 |
| willvdl | now that I've got the wiki under wraps | 10:21 |
| stelis | FWIW, this works as a standalone | 10:21 |
| stelis | So you could just add screenshots | 10:21 |
| stelis | I'm conscious that time is short | 10:22 |
| stelis | But feel free to use it as you need | 10:23 |
| stelis | There's some other pieces in the same directory | 10:23 |
| willvdl | stelis, thanks to you we now have options | 10:23 |
| stelis | I don't have lots of time myself | 10:23 |
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| willvdl | I will, hopefully, up until march | 10:24 |
| stelis | But I could write up some Release Notes or a few sections of this and that | 10:24 |
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| willvdl | nixternal, who normally does our finals for the release notes? | 10:25 |
| nixternal | willvdl: dunno, but I can probably work something out for you since I do the Kubuntu ones | 10:25 |
| willvdl | I got very confused with the old releases: there where wiki versions, docbook ones, release notes, install notes, release announcements... | 10:26 |
| willvdl | ogra, clearly you have enough time to do that :) | 10:27 |
| ogra | :P | 10:27 |
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| willvdl | ok, cool. I'll work something out with stelis and find a path of least resistance | 10:29 |
| willvdl | shall we wrap up? | 10:31 |
| ogra | yeah | 10:31 |
| willvdl | just want to punt my mockup for https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu?action=show again | 10:31 |
| willvdl | shamelessly :) | 10:31 |
| willvdl | I will work on maing it easier and easier to read as we go | 10:31 |
| === ogra does the same with http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UES-Sevilla :) | ||
| willvdl | something like henrik's testing page | 10:32 |
| ogra | yep | 10:32 |
| ogra | ok, any other business ? | 10:32 |
| willvdl | and since we normally end with community: UES Sevilla!!! | 10:32 |
| ogra | going once | 10:32 |
| ogra | going twice | 10:32 |
| ogra | COME TO SEVILLA !!!! | 10:32 |
| ogra | adjourned ! | 10:33 |
| ogra | thanks all | 10:33 |
| willvdl | sweet. | 10:33 |
| willvdl | sorry for late minutes.. I'll get these ones in as well | 10:33 |
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