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[i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:32] @schedule New_York [07:32] Schedule for America/New_York: 14 Feb 05:00: MOTU | 14 Feb 15:00: Edubuntu | 15 Feb 00:00: IRC Operators | 15 Feb 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Feb 10:00: Xubuntu | 21 Feb 07:00: Edubuntu === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F71A0E.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ash211_ [n=andrew@user-112128p.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dsas [n=dean@host81-129-229-157.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F71A0E.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === sky_walkie [i=czzhrd02@xdsl-563.lodz.dialog.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === 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..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: MOTU | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 14 Feb 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 15 Feb 05:00 UTC: IRC Operators | 15 Feb 21:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Feb 15:00 UTC: Xubuntu | 21 Feb 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu === tmarble [n=tmarble@user-38q4et6.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dsas [n=dean@host81-129-229-157.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === grimace [n=grimace@rolf.yuss.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:02] hello everybody - do we have a motu meeting right now? [11:02] hi dholbach [11:02] we do! [11:02] I thought maybe everybody was out to celebrate Valentine's day :) [11:02] at least I hope we have enough people [11:02] I think a few are [11:02] (or just sleeping) [11:02] ok... who's here? [11:02] laserjock sends his apologies, 2AM isn't suitable [11:03] Valentine's day? Who'd waste their time with that? [11:03] lol [11:03] TheMuso: people who aren't single :) [11:03] Thats understandable IMO === geser [n=mb@ubuntu/member/geser] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:03] hey jsgotangco :) === jsgotangco gives TheMuso @}--,-- [11:03] http://xkcd.com/c223.html [11:03] ajmitch: I tend to agree... 11am isn't suitable *g* [11:03] sistpoty: I'm impressed that you're awake at this early hour :) [11:03] scottk has an item on the agenda, but doesn't seem to be here === tmarble notes 4 AM isn't ultra suitable either, :) [11:04] so the rest is sistpoty? :) [11:04] ajmitch: well... awake is a different state than I'm in now *g+ [11:04] sistpoty: you have some items on the agenda - why don't you start us off? [11:04] ok [11:04] anyone volunteering for the minutes? [11:04] um === ajmitch may as well [11:05] cool, thx ajmitch [11:05] ajmitch: I will if you'd rather not. [11:05] I don't mind you doing it, but if you really don't want to. [11:05] TheMuso: ok, thanks :) [11:05] great, thx TheMuso [11:05] let's get started, right? === TheMuso is autologging so can follow up. [11:05] first item: Proposal to drop the requirement for MOTU's to have new packages reviewed [11:06] well... we're always lagging with revu behind [11:06] and enough MOTUs skip this step [11:06] and imo it doesn't seem that sane that motu's should have the same requirements as non-motus to bring new packages in [11:07] As well as already having the rights and responsibilities that come with the title of MOTU. [11:07] it wasn't the same, but it was 1 other ACK [11:07] practices differ ;) [11:07] yeah [11:07] Yep. [11:08] the intended practice was that a MOTU upload to REVU & get 1 other MOTU to check it [11:08] well... I'd propose that motu's are "encouraged to get a new package reviewed" instead of forcing them to go through revu [11:08] what do you think? [11:08] that has frequently been skipped by MOTUs who've been around awhile :) [11:08] sure [11:08] I like that. [11:08] I agree, TheMuso has a point... although I think that probably the MC should take that decision once it's active. This decision has more consequences than others. [11:08] One area that other reviewing is useful is copyright related stuff. [11:08] as an archive team member, I'd be fine with you dropping the requirement, but if it ends up being even more rejects because of it, I'd like you to reconsider. [11:09] Fair enough. [11:09] great [11:10] any objections? [11:10] what do you think about deferring the decision to the first MC meeting? [11:10] sounds fair [11:10] fine with me [11:10] Yep. I'm sure crimsun would have something to say on this. [11:10] we gathered enough arguments now, but I think that a policy decision should be made by the MC [11:10] alrighty, let's move on [11:11] ok... scottk isn't here, right? [11:11] yeah, let's move on - we can discuss his question on the mailing list [11:11] Decide on standard policy for upstream debian dirs [11:11] I don't think it's necessary to have a policy for that, but a "best practice" bit in the FAQ maybe === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:12] shall I kick off a thread on the mailing list for that? [11:12] I saw one package that renamed upstream's debian to debian.upstream. [11:12] well... it was discussed on the ml in the past, but without a result [11:12] so I'd rather discuss it here to have it settled [11:12] ok, there are 3 possibilities: 1) remove it, 2) rename it, 3) leave it (and in all cases talk to upstream to get it removed there) [11:13] (maybe also: repackage, native package) === ajmitch tends towards leave it + fix it [11:13] I have seen many a package that ships with .spec files etc for rpm based distros, so what has been the problem with upstream providing a debian dir in the past? [11:13] imo the first thing would always be to ask upstream to remove it... if that won't work, I'd tend to say that any packager may do as he seems fit [11:14] TheMuso: the problem is that you cannot remove files from it (unless you remove them from the tarball) and that the .diff.gz looks kinda weird [11:14] TheMuso: it's harder to change a number of files in a .diff.gz, since it doesn't track deletions well [11:14] Right. [11:14] I don't think I'd dictate a workflow there. [11:14] it depends on how messy upstream's debian/ is [11:15] so up to the packager [11:15] I think the issue was new people getting conflicting advice === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:15] who wants to add a blurb to MOTU/FAQ? :) [11:15] ok... everybody agreeing that it's up to the packager? [11:15] Yep. [11:15] yeah [11:16] great [11:16] I'll add the text to motu/faq, if no one else is faster ;) [11:16] let's move on, shall we? [11:16] sure [11:16] thanks sistpoty [11:16] yep ok [11:16] make it a fast meeting :) [11:16] :) [11:16] well, this was discussed on the ml as well... do we want zero-install injector? [11:16] here's a naive question... if upstream debian/ is significantly changed does that hamper fix flow back to debian (i.e. does not minimize the debian-ubuntu diff)? [11:17] seems like there's only 4 of us here & active [11:17] tmarble: in this case, upstream is the original author, rather than debian [11:17] What is zero-install injector? [11:17] ajmitch, ah i see (sorry for the confusion) [11:17] TheMuso: it let's an user install packages, which get downloaded by some means [11:18] tmarble: often the original upstream project might have someone who's contributing packaging in their project, and it's not in debian yet [11:18] sistpoty: do we have a link to the project? who wanted to bring it into ubuntu? it sounds more like an archive admin decision to me? [11:18] www.0install.net [11:18] sistpoty: I'm not really a fan of more breakage, but I've heard less scary things about zeroinstall than about autopackage [11:19] i think we should let 0install in, on the basis of not what it is, but it being an ok and legal package. we don't have to support it's efforts [11:19] tfheen: still there? could you share us your opinion on zero-install? [11:19] ask pitti :) [11:19] sistpoty: let me take a look. [11:19] see if he runs away screaming? [11:19] well, I reviewed the package (also looking at the code a lilttle bit) and it didn't seem too offensive security wise [11:20] like klik, it seems. [11:20] however it provides an alternate means to install software [11:20] Hi guys. I'm the author of Zero Install, so if you have any technical questions, ask away... [11:20] so I'm really undecided [11:20] hi talex [11:20] I've been running it for years very nicely ;) [11:20] how about letting archive admins decide on this issue? [11:21] sistpoty++ [11:21] THat sounds sane to me. [11:21] depends on how it works, but if it's like klik which does something like MacOS disk images, I'm fine with it, from an archive POV, but I think we can offer a much better user experience by packaging the software properly. [11:21] talex might be able to comment (short) on that? [11:21] tfheen: then it will be up to the user to agree with you? [11:21] It installs to a self contained directory, rather than a disk image, but same principle. [11:22] Also, the download is an XML file, rather than a shell script, but the effect is the same. [11:23] ok. [11:23] from an archive point of view, that's fine with me and as long as it doesn't end up tripping the rest of the system (*cough* autopackage *cough*) it shouldn't cause problems either. [11:24] Right. It will never install anything outside of ~/.cache/0install.net or (if run as root) /var/cache/0install.net [11:24] tfheen: ok, then I'll just upload the package and you can look at it via new... ok? [11:25] sistpoty: sure. [11:25] great... let's move on [11:25] great, halfway through the meeting items [11:25] sistpoty wants to review the uvf-process [11:25] UVF team/process [11:25] some confusion here [11:25] well... UVF has just started... [11:25] slomo, siretart and I agreed to have the same uvf team again to avoid having to vote etc again [11:26] the next team should be appointed by the MC (in time!) :) [11:26] we just didn't want to have a delay because of that === lukketto [n=lukketto@host86-8-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:26] dholbach: Makes sense. [11:26] ok... have there been many UVF requests yet? are you getting along well? [11:26] atm there are 7 open afaik === ajmitch wasn't sure if he was meant to vote or not, so refrained from confusing people :) [11:26] (basically the item was just a ping to make sure everything's working as expected) [11:27] dholbach: if I get going this weekend I'll have a bunch more [11:27] I'll go through the open bugs later today [11:27] dholbach: there's 1 unconfirmed assigned to motu-uvf [11:27] I think that once they're confirmed, motu-uvf should be unassigned, right? [11:27] yeah that'd make sense [11:28] sorry for the n00b question, just what exactly *is* the UVF process? (i.e. file special bugs, etc.)? === ajmitch would think that would be internal team agreement [11:28] tmarble: yep, file a bug, assign it to motu-uvf === ajmitch pulls up the wiki page [11:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9523bc4076ff011324d67cddc97969ec609618d6 [11:28] thanks [11:29] ok... if everything is working (as it looks to me), I see no need for further discussion [11:29] tmarble: we're in upstream version freeze now, so a special team checks a upstream changelog diff and a diffstat before approval [11:29] revu sprint sounds good :) [11:29] sistpoty: so from that, motu-uvf don't upload on the 2nd ack, that's only for SRU :) [11:30] I thought another revu sprint was already scheduled? [11:30] ajmitch: yep, right... there is no debdiff involved [11:30] is it? [11:30] no [11:30] ajmitch: News to me. [11:30] if not, then let's do it [11:30] ajmitch: since you're chief of qa, please pick a sensible date ;) [11:30] hah [11:31] haha === azeem [n=mbanck@host109.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:31] what time suits people? [11:31] hehe [11:31] monday/tuesday? [11:31] Whenever at the moment. I'm around a lot of my waking hours. [11:31] sounds good to me [11:31] ok [11:31] sounds sane [11:31] it's generally just a time for people to do more reviewing [11:32] sanity, from me? === ajmitch is slipping\ [11:32] :-) [11:32] hehe === cyphase [n=cyphase@c-71-202-49-23.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:32] ajmitch: lol [11:32] ok... moving to TODOs [11:32] well... this point is up for everyone... [11:32] sistpoty: is the item a try to update the TODO page? [11:33] yeah, I've slipped behind on getting more lists, and getting commented lists [11:33] UnmetDeps for sure [11:33] I see one 'transition' coming up, but the documentation for that is not ready yet: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PyDbgBuilds [11:33] since I promised a commentable unmet deps list & some others [11:33] so don't mention that yet [11:33] how much work in that one? [11:33] doko will write something to the lists too [11:33] Is there a way of getting a list of unmet deps for source packages? [11:34] TheMuso: the basic way is apt-cache -u unmet [11:34] and then pushing that through a few filters to get a list of source packages [11:34] hm... how about doing mass bug filing for unmet deps? [11:34] should be easy enough if they're verified before filing [11:35] dholbach: didn't you do that with a script for edgy? [11:35] sistpoty: massfiling bugs? [11:35] dholbach: yep === ajmitch would like to see that pre-tagging support for filing bugs in malone [11:35] sistpoty: http://daniel.holba.ch/bzr/massfile [11:35] cool [11:36] who's going to do it? we don't want 2 or 3 people mass-filing :) === sistpoty hides behind his thesis [11:37] I thought about using python-bughelper to determine if bugs are already filed. [11:37] sistpoty: fine, I'll volunteer :P [11:37] but I'm not sure it's going to work as it is atm [11:37] ajmitch: great :) [11:37] on which arch will the checking be done for the bugs? [11:37] dholbach: it'd be slow & cause plenty of LP load [11:37] geser: amd64 or x86, I've got both [11:37] in a nice squeaky clean chroot [11:38] ajmitch: no no :) [11:38] there are some unmet deps which only appear on one arch (due to ftbfs) [11:38] what else do we have? how are the merges looking? [11:38] dholbach: no no? === TheMuso_ [n=luke@dsl-124-149-101-87.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:38] merges are looking better [11:38] ajmitch: no no "slow" :) [11:38] um.... ok guys [11:38] well... we still have ajmitch's list of RC-bug fixes [11:38] there are still a number of serious/grave bugs that debian has fixed [11:38] I was cut off. What'd I miss? [11:38] yeah [11:38] and lucas list's of FTBFS [11:39] TheMuso: you've been delegated to fix universe bugs [11:39] TheMuso_: I'll paste you what happened [11:39] logs should be on the usual place later [11:39] dholbach: Thanks. [11:40] what else do we have? pythondbg (once it gets started), unmet deps, merges - what else? :) [11:40] bug fixing, bug fixing, bug fixing ... [11:40] ok, sounds good :) [11:40] so more sync request need to be filed for the RC bugs, I filed about 50 already, I'll get onto doing some more [11:40] ahh... how many motus are you mentoring at the moment? [11:40] I may need UVF exceptions, so be ready :) [11:40] none === ajmitch is too scary to mentor people [11:41] i don't believe a word :) [11:41] ok... if people talk to you, we should be good at pointing them at the todo [11:41] ajmitch: You are thorough. [11:41] ok... anything else on the TODO-list? if not let's agree on a date of the next meeting [11:41] maybe we should also try to tag universe bugs as "packaging bug" or something [11:41] ok, we've got enough to keep the TODO updated? [11:42] so people who are interested can get involved easily in fixing packaging [11:42] who's updating it? [11:42] dholbach++ [11:42] what do you think about having a universe bug sprint to do just that [11:42] bug triage, or bug fixing? [11:42] for bughelper bugs we use "bitesize" to indicate an easy bug [11:42] I guess that sort of thing can happen after FF? [11:42] triage, so we can point people to a list of bugs === elkbuntu_ [n=melissa@ppp26-162.lns1.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:42] maybe we should have a discussion about bug tags on the mailing list [11:42] dholbach: sounds like something the bugsquad may be able to do [11:42] that would be great [11:43] i can see "packaging" and "bitesize" as useful already [11:43] ajmitch: we should do that too [11:43] ajmitch: we can't shove bugs to "bugsquad" [11:43] if there are people in the bugsquad who can identify stuff as packaging bugs [11:43] that doesn't work [11:43] no, but I'd hope that they be the first line of bug triage :) [11:43] we should make an effort too [11:43] and explain what our "guidelines" and "ideas" are [11:43] of course, I'm not saying that we should drop it on them [11:44] ok [11:44] any other business? [11:44] what should we do with mozilla-browser in feisty? it's removed from debian and replaced with seamonkey upstream [11:44] next meeting time === lifeless [n=robertc@ppp245-86.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:44] if we keep mozilla-browser in feisty, someone will need to keep it updated [11:45] from where will you update it? upstream abandoned it [11:45] I'd like to go with debian in this respect, unless someone is volunteering to take care of it === ajmitch agrees [11:45] next meeting time: maybe we should have a MC meeting first and discuss where we want to go with MC meetings vs MOTU meetings [11:46] dholbach: sounds good, so we need a MC first :) [11:46] should we replace mozilla-browser with iceape? [11:46] right-o [11:46] what about MC meeting end of next week? [11:46] sounds good [11:46] that'd leave some time for the MC to talk to each other etc [11:47] 3 (potential) MC members here to agree on it, so it should work [11:47] yep... sounds sane [11:47] friday same time? a bit later? [11:47] votes close in 13 hours, will you announce to the world after that? [11:48] friday 10:00UTC? [11:48] dholbach: a bit later would be nice for me :P [11:48] will sistpoty be awake? [11:48] hehe [11:48] sistpoty: 2h more? :) [11:48] not too much later, please :) === TheMuso_ notes that ajmitch set himself a trap. [11:48] well.. 10utc is fine for me as well... I wanted to get a saner wake-sleep rythm anyways [11:48] TheMuso_: sistpoty is more in my timezone than dholbach's ;) [11:49] ok fri, 23rd 10 utc MC meeting [11:49] ok === ajmitch notes that on his calendar [11:49] excellent [11:49] thanks a lot to everybody for a QUICK meeting [11:49] cool :) [11:49] thanks! [11:49] we're getting quite disciplined :) [11:49] thanks [11:49] it helped that there were so few of us === TheMuso_ will endever to have the minutes on the ml in the next hour or so. [11:49] TheMuso_: thank you very much === dholbach writes a mail to ubuntu-bugsquad@ and ubuntu-motu@ [11:50] np [11:50] http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-current.html should have the full log in 30min or so, or I can stick it somewhere for you [11:50] Now if freenode could just kick my original connection, I'd be happier. :) [11:51] /msg nickserv ghost themuso [11:51] ajmitch: Besides the cutoff, where dholbach msgd the missed bits, I have it logged [11:51] dholbach: thanks [11:51] ok, I've got the whole thing === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:52] ajmitch: Thanks, but I'll probably not need it. [11:52] http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/motu-meeting.log === TheMuso grabs anyway [11:52] thanks [11:53] I think NSW ADSL customers experienced something weird. 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[09:04] cool [09:04] had a chat with heno [09:04] seems LP is used mainly for test tracking (ooh what's that link again) [09:04] it explains how to use LP :) [09:05] what i'd like to point out to everyone is: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UES-Sevilla [09:05] evening [09:05] sorry i am late [09:05] we will have our next educational conference in may [09:05] ogra: yeah :) https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-iso-tests [09:06] v. excited about this [09:06] from may 3rd to may 4th we'll try to gather as many educators as possible in sevilla [09:06] anybody is free to come indeed :) [09:06] in spain? [09:06] yep [09:07] yip [09:07] right before UDS [09:07] it is directly attached to UDS [09:08] anyway, thats all from my side unless there are questions [09:08] as RichEd would put it, it is a conf aimed at both "above the desktop" and "below" [09:08] oh, if you test feisty, please test the serveraddon iso as well [09:08] how's 2nd CD coming along? [09:08] haven't had a chance to look this week [09:09] well, i havent done the seed changes yet [09:09] ogra, when is herd4 released? [09:09] well, I still have a list of MIR Candidates at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha/EdubuntuMIRCandidates [09:09] so it's still the same as last week [09:09] or will release [09:09] juliux, tomorrow is ETA ... dunno if it will make it [09:09] ogra, yes my fault i thought today is already the 15th;9 [09:09] I've almost finished a MIR for rasmol (I had a nightmare the other day that iwj found a CVE I didn't find) [09:10] i'm planning to shuffle the seeds as soon as the Cd is out ... the dailies after that miught break horribly, so be careful [09:10] LaserJock, rasmol? [09:10] LaserJock, heh [09:10] molecule visualization [09:10] LaserJock, so we share some fears actually :) [09:10] it's like the first chemistry app I used [09:11] the problem I'm seeing is the field get's narrowed down very fast if you take out apps that have a lot of dependencies in Universe and ones that aren't maintained well (either in Debian or upstream) [09:11] yep [09:12] but the field of apps in main we dont ship yet is big as well [09:12] i'm pretty sure we'll get together something sufficient for feisty ... even if only one or two new apps come from universe === philwyett [n=philwyet@bb-87-81-146-45.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:13] I'd like to get qcad, octave, and stellarium in [09:13] qucad is a good one [09:13] -u [09:13] drgeo has a dead upstream otherwise I'd do it [09:13] is moodle going into main? [09:13] it'll have to be reworked [09:13] i.e. not for Feisty that I know of [09:13] ajmitch, it would have needed to be in before FF [09:13] maybe ogra's worked on that [09:14] ogra: a shame [09:14] yeah [09:14] I'd *like* to do it for Feisty+1 === ajmitch of course has authtool still stuck in NEW, so it won't get into main [09:14] i'll package the most recent version for feisty+1 closely working with upstream (who will come to UES i hope) [09:14] I was going to do it for Feisty but my time has been severly short [09:15] it can be a ubuntuesque package that doesnt need to go to debian i.e. moodle1.7 [09:15] as far as 2nd CD stuff goes [09:16] I really need feedback from educators [09:16] ogra: I suggest looking at dbconfig-common to replace wwwconfig-common :) [09:16] that saves us headdaches with upgrade paths and gives us the possibility to keep the 1.6 package for people who want it ... [09:16] I have some ideas of packages but I'd rather package what educators already know they need, rather than what I think they need === ajmitch won't derail the meeting further [09:16] ajmitch, well, either that or totally without ***config-common [09:17] if you want to write all the db creation & management scripts yourself [09:17] for new packages we have all options :) [09:17] notMax, but i can ask upstream to maintain them in a way that my postinst doesnt need to be freakys [09:18] ogra: how strict is the "only one app for each task" for Edubuntu? [09:18] that was supposed to read "no", sorry notMax [09:18] LaserJock, depends, what do you propose ? [09:18] I found several good calculator/function plotter type apps [09:19] but they are really for different levels [09:19] LaserJock, I would imagine they would also tie into different backends? [09:19] do you think you will find more of such apps ? [09:19] lybniz is a really basic and usable function plotter that would be good for younger kids [09:19] but qalculate is a really cool and powerful calculator (I hate to even call it that) [09:19] it does unit conversion, plotting, etc. [09:19] and the kde one? kplot is it? [09:20] kig i think [09:20] yeah, there are a few kde ones [09:20] qalculate has both gtk and qt versions I believe [09:20] yeah, kig [09:20] seperate source though, which is weird [09:20] LaserJock, what about Logo/Squeak type thingies? [09:21] Squeak is non-free [09:21] not sure what we have for Logo [09:21]