[12:50] <BrendanM> Anyone know how to setup pdf-cups so I can print to PDFs?
[12:51] <Sharn> !pdf-cups
[12:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pdf-cups - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:51] <Sharn> Nope. =\
[12:52] <maxamillion> BrendanM: why do you need to print to PDF?
[12:53] <maxamillion> BrendanM: OOo can just export them and AbiWord can just save as PDF
[12:55] <BrendanM> Actually, I'm trying to circumvent restrictions on a fill-in PDF that I downloaded. It won't let you save a filled-in copy
[12:55] <BrendanM> it will let you print a filled-in copy
[12:56] <BrendanM> it's actually cups-pdf, not pdf-cups. I think I figured it out
[12:56] <BrendanM> !cups-pdf
[12:56] <ubotu> cups-pdf: PDF printer for CUPS. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.4.2-1 (edgy), package size 39 kB, installed size 240 kB
[12:56] <maxamillion> oh ... interesting
[12:57] <BrendanM> there we go. By "printing" to a PDF, I've essentially saved a filled-out copy of the form.
[12:57] <maxamillion> BrendanM: nice
[01:17] <zOap> Hi, I'm looking for laptops that work 100% with xubuntu 6.10, which means that all hardware are supported without to many fuzz. If anyone knows about more than one it is fine. We may have a whole line of lappies to choose from..(inernet store)
[01:17] <Sharn> There may be sites that sell only 100% compatible Linux laptops.
[01:17] <maxamillion> zOap: www.dell.com/linux
[01:18] <Sharn> mg. -checks-
[01:18] <maxamillion> zOap: www.system76.com
[01:18] <zOap> maxamillion, thanks:)
[01:19] <Sharn> Niiice find.
[01:19] <Sharn> Finds*...
[01:19] <maxamillion> zOap: www.emperorlinux.com .... www.linuxcertified.com
[01:19] <maxamillion> :)
[01:19] <maxamillion> i eat, sleep, and breath linux ... i try to keep my eye out for such things
[01:20] <Sharn> Very impressives prices at system76.
[01:21] <grazie> don't dell charge the same for Windoze & Linux labtops? I can't figure that out myself?
[01:21] <maxamillion> Sharn: the Dell prices are actually a little cheaper, but you have to install for youself because they only come with FreeDOS pre-loaded
[01:22] <Sharn> emperorlinus is pretty spendy, though..
[01:22] <maxamillion> grazie: no, it is cheaper for a linux laptop from dell because you don't pay the microsoft licensing fee ... its only $60-80 cheaper, but its nice to stick it to the man from time to timr
[01:22] <Sharn> Especially since they're just thinkpads...
[01:23] <maxamillion> Sharn: yes, very expensive for hardware that cost that much
[01:23] <Sharn> Thinkpads are popular. xD
[01:25] <maxamillion> Thinkpads used to be awesome, but since Lenovo started building them it has gone downhill
[01:29] <Sharn> You sure?
[01:30] <Sharn> I know the old ones often get Xubuntu thrown ont hem... :P
[01:34] <Jester45> yes.. he says the new ones arent good
[01:35] <Jester45> anyone know how to use bash script to check from an installed program
[01:35] <maxamillion> Jester45: what program
[01:35] <maxamillion> ?*
[01:36] <Jester45> mplayer
[01:36] <maxamillion> mpla<tab>
[01:36] <Jester45> no no
[01:36] <maxamillion> ?
[01:36] <Jester45> check if its installed via script
[01:36] <Jester45> like if its installed give this out put
[01:37] <maxamillion> Jester45: aptitude search mplayer .... if the output has an 'i' next to it then its installed
[01:37] <Jester45> it its not give this
[01:37] <maxamillion> yeah, uhmmm ... that would just be search functions
[01:37] <Jester45> how would i put that in script
[01:37] <darrend> Jester45: FOO=`which mplayer`; if [[ "" != "$FOO"] ] ; then ...
[01:38] <darrend> those are backticks around the which command, not apostrophe's or quotes
[01:39] <Jester45> ok im still beginning scripting
[01:40] <Jester45> i put that in a terminal and all i get is a new line
[01:40] <Jester45> >
[01:40] <darrend> that's because it wasn't a complete script
[01:40] <darrend> i assumed you'd realise that
[01:40] <Sharn> Rofl
[01:41] <darrend> replace the ellipses with:  echo "installed"; fi
[01:41] <Jester45> i said i now
[01:41] <Jester45> new
[01:43] <darrend>  also missing  a space in the first bit.
[01:43] <darrend> try this:
[01:43] <darrend> FOO=`which mplayer`; if [[ "" != "$FOO" ] ] ; then echo "installed"; fi
[01:44] <darrend> http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=bash+tutorial
[01:44] <Jester45> whats the fi
[01:44] <darrend> ends the 'if' bloack
[01:44] <darrend> *block
[01:44] <Jester45> o
[01:44] <darrend> find a tutorial from that link, there are some good ones
[01:45] <Jester45> ok i just started yester day
[01:45] <darrend> you'll find it easier to work from a tutorial than ask on IRC
[01:46] <Jester45> one last question
[01:47] <Jester45> how can i make it a if not installed then do apt-get install mplayer
[01:48] <darrend> well, apt wil lonly install if not already installed anyway so the script would be redundant
[01:48] <darrend> but for the purpose of the script:
[01:48] <Jester45> but i dont what it to try each time or show that its trying
[01:48] <darrend> if [[ "" == "$FOO" ] ] ; apt-get install mplayer; fi
[01:50] <Jester45> so if the foo=`which mplayer` part comes back with somthing then its continuies
[02:00] <Jester45> would if [[ "$yn" != "$y" ] ] ; then FOO=`which mencoder`; if [[ "" != "$FOO" ] ] ; then echo "installed"; fi
[02:00] <Jester45> work ? if the $yn was a y/n question and the answer was yes
[02:02] <Jester45> or y
[02:03] <darrend> wouldn't it be easier to try i than to ask?
[02:04] <Jester45> i was going just now
[02:04] <Jester45> nope
[02:04] <Jester45> syntax error in conditional expression
[02:05] <Laibsc1> I am not much of an expert with wireless.  Will two clients connected to the same AP generally be able to see/ping each other?
[02:27] <cellofellow> how do I set how many virtual terminals I have? The default is six and I never use that many so I figured I'd reduce that number to three or four.
[02:28] <Jester45> remove the gettys i think
[02:29] <cellofellow> I mean permenantly. I think init creates the virtual terminals (which I think are virtual serial ports o something.) so init would be the place to look.
[02:30] <Jester45> lol
[02:30] <Jester45> thats what i ment
[02:31] <cellofellow> ha, just googling instead.
[02:31] <cellofellow> weird. kernel panic (in the guest system) when I use -kernel-kqemu in qemu.
[02:33] <Jester45> how you get kqemu i couldnt figure that out
[02:33] <Jester45> arrg
[02:33] <Jester45> dont talk to me i ahve to get to work
[02:34] <cellofellow> I see what you mean
[02:34] <cellofellow> I just compiled it
[02:34] <Jester45> stop that
[02:34] <cellofellow> See what you mean about the getty's
[02:34] <cellofellow> stop what?
[02:34] <Jester45> talking to me
[02:35] <cellofellow> why?
[02:37] <cellofellow> Jester45: you ok?
[02:37] <cellofellow> did I say something?
[02:37] <Jester45> SHUT UP!!!!! :)
[02:38] <PuMpErNiCkLe> He has to go to work, and lacks multitasking skills. ^_^
[02:38] <cellofellow> oh
[02:38] <cellofellow> he could just sign out if he's having that much trouble
[02:38] <Jester45> ajakngsdflkgjsdn
[02:38] <Jester45> you no listen??
[02:39] <Jester45> im learning/working
[02:40] <Jester45> would anyone like to point out what i doing wrong with a bash script
[02:40] <cellofellow> what's the problem?
[02:40] <kalikiana_> I would, but I find bashscripts have a horrid syntax :P
[02:41] <cellofellow> maybe C Shell?
[02:42] <Jester45> paste bin ing
[02:44] <Jester45> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5660/
[02:44] <Jester45> it doesnt work good
[02:45] <Jester45> i been going into this kinda fast
[02:46] <cellofellow> using qoutes in echo is probably a good idea.
[02:46] <Jester45> works fine with out them for now
[02:46] <Jester45> but will add
[02:46] <Jester45> and do a spellscheck :)
[02:46] <cellofellow> 'sides that, I've no idea what to do.
[02:46] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Ending ifs with fis is probably also good.
[02:47] <Jester45> i have a habit of not thinking when typing so i misspell a lot
[02:48] <cellofellow> just run ispell (or aspell, can't remember exactly on Ubuntu) on it.
[02:49] <cellofellow> aspell
[02:49] <Jester45> i have that on ff and irc
[02:49] <Jester45> not mousepad
[02:50] <cellofellow> just aspell -c thefile
[02:50] <Jester45> PuMpErNiCkLe: any reason why that wouldnt work
[02:50] <cellofellow> use more lines and \(newline) to keep it readable
[02:50] <Jester45> i get error aT LINE 24
[02:51] <Jester45> syntaz error near unexpected token `then'
[02:52] <cellofellow> use fi, like PuMpErNiCkLe said
[02:52] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You didn't close your `.
[02:53] <PuMpErNiCkLe> $(stuff) and a text editor with parantheses matching are your friends.
[02:53] <bigfuzzyjesus> wewt
[02:53] <bigfuzzyjesus> i got my thinkpad working
[02:54] <Sharn> :O
[02:54] <Jester45> o man
[02:54] <Jester45> im so confused
[02:55] <bigfuzzyjesus> Jester45, bout what
[02:55] <Sharn> Pmg. Jester45. CONFUSED?
[02:55] <Jester45> that script im trying to make
[02:55] <cellofellow> Jester45: try scite, it's good for all sorts of code. C, bash, python.
[02:56] <cellofellow> has highlighting.
[02:56] <cellofellow> or just vim with :syntax enable
[02:56] <Jester45> its just bash and should be simple
[02:56] <cellofellow> it's not as simple as all that
[02:58] <Jester45> all i need is 2 strings one if its PAL and one if its NTSC and then edit the aspect ratio
[02:59] <Jester45> the part above that is checking for installed mplayer and enocder
[02:59] <cellofellow> seems like what you've got is syntax errors and an editor with syntax highlighting helps a lot.
[03:00] <Jester45> this would be a good script
[03:00] <Jester45> turn any video into a dvd
[03:00] <Jester45> very simple once its done
[03:01] <Sharn> Sweet. I would use it. :O
[03:01] <Jester45> i know
[03:01] <Jester45> i could get the part after encoding done in 10 mins
[03:02] <Jester45> but this encoding part is nasty
[03:02] <Jester45> Sharn: you wouldnt happen to know bash?
[03:02] <Sharn> Hah. No
[03:03] <Sharn> Rofl.. I can't even get DOS to isntall.
[03:05] <Sharn> !rar
[03:05] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[03:06] <Jester45> install the rar package to use it in xarchiver
[03:07] <Jester45> or install the free one and use unrar e to extract it
[03:15] <malnilion> So a new kernel appeared in the repository the other day and was installed apparently successfully, would you guys think it'd be alright to go ahead and remove the old kernel?
[03:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> If the new one works, and you feel comfortable not having a backup... sure.
[03:16] <malnilion> Good stuff.
[03:18] <cellofellow> Jester45: no credit to me for you hostname on your website. :)
[03:18] <cellofellow> ;)
[03:18] <Jester45> you can put it there
[03:18] <Jester45> you have access to the ftp right?
[03:19] <cellofellow> I do, but I don't want to it's yours
[03:19] <Jester45> i dont care if you do anything with it
[03:20] <cellofellow> whatever you say
[03:20] <Jester45> you can add a link
[03:20] <Jester45> dont delete my stuff
[03:20] <cellofellow> ok
[03:21] <Jester45> did you know furniture polish can really get rid of hard skin?
[03:21] <Jester45> i got little baby hands now :0
[03:22] <cellofellow> and I can't get into your FTP server
[03:22] <Jester45> o well
[03:22] <Jester45> haha
[03:22] <Jester45> brb afk
[03:45] <Sharn> ....that's nice. xD Furniture polish...
[03:45] <Jester45> back
[03:45] <Jester45> yep it works
[03:47] <Sharn> Anyone know how to make a folder into a floppy .img?
[03:51] <Sharn> No-one? O:
[03:55] <malnilion> Why not just copy the folder over to the floppy disk in question?
[03:57] <Sharn> ..... do you have floppys? xD
[03:57] <Sharn> I don't even have a floppy drive...
[04:15] <malnilion> Sharn, why do you need to make a .img then :P
[04:17] <BlueEagle> sharn: sounds like you want to make a file with dd then mount it with -o loop and then copy the files to it.
[04:17] <BlueEagle> sharn: You should be able to format it once it's mounted.
[04:17] <BlueEagle> sharn: Then it will act just like a floppy disk.
[04:17] <Jester45> can you make a bash script wait a number a seconds to wait for a command to finsih
[04:18] <BlueEagle> jester45: man wait
[04:18] <Jester45> i know there is plain wait but that waits for a command to finish
[04:18] <BlueEagle> make that: man sleep
[04:18] <Jester45> sllep n
[04:18] <Jester45> sleep n (n is the seconds)?
[04:19] <BlueEagle> jester45: man sleep
[04:19] <BlueEagle> jester45: or info sleep
[04:19] <Jester45> i have somthing for the user to input somthing if they are not ready for my script to do somthing
[04:19] <malnilion> It's seconds
[04:19] <Sharn> malnilion: I'm making floppy images for VMware
[04:19] <Jester45> would you say 5 secs is good
[04:20] <Jester45> for a user to ctrl c the script
[04:20] <Jester45> im also doing it this way for addes experience
[04:20] <Jester45> added
[04:20] <malnilion> I'd make it 10 if it was gonna fuxor things :P
[04:20] <Jester45> well its not a hard choise
[04:21] <BlueEagle> sharn: Again. man dd to get the manual. You want if=/dev/zero and of=/path/to/filename.img and you need to specify the size (check the manual for syntax). Then you mount the file with -o loop to a mount point and format it as a floppy disk. Then you copy the files over and unmount the file and you've got yourself a brand new floppy disk image containing the files you want,.
[04:21] <Jester45> choice the things above it is only inputing file path and type of dvd wanted
[04:22] <malnilion> Heh 5 seconds should be fine then :)
[04:23] <Jester45> i just tested it
[04:23] <Sharn> BlueEagle: Alright, I'll look into it. Thanks. :)
[04:23] <BlueEagle> sharn: Upi
[04:23] <BlueEagle> sharn: You're welcome.
[04:24] <Jester45> and 7 cools good 10 to long for ppl that know the script and if they look away user might miss the 5 sec
[04:25] <Jester45> this is starting to look good
[04:26] <Jester45> but its kinda not working now but i working deeper i think its gonna fix it
[04:28] <Dell_Boy> I need Help. I am New to Linux
[04:29] <Sharn> What'da need help with? :P
[04:29] <Dell_Boy> Server X?
[04:29] <Dell_Boy> what is that
[04:29] <Dell_Boy> it says my Graphical interface is not set up correctly
[04:29] <Sharn> You mean the "X Server" Like, X.org?
[04:29] <Dell_Boy> what do i do?
[04:29] <Dell_Boy> yes
[04:30] <Sharn> Where at does it say that?
[04:30] <Dell_Boy> after it shows Swap something
[04:30] <Dell_Boy> its after i hit start or install Xubuntu
[04:30] <Sharn> So, at startup?
[04:30] <Dell_Boy> ya
[04:30] <Sharn> So, does it never make it past text?
[04:31] <Dell_Boy> yes
[04:31] <Dell_Boy> it doesnt make it past
[04:31] <Sharn> Hmmmm..
[04:32] <Dell_Boy> im using an ATI Radeon 9250 PCI DDR 256mb
[04:32] <Sharn> Did you try to isntall drivers for it?
[04:32] <Sharn> Install*
[04:32] <Dell_Boy> theirs drivers?
[04:32] <Dell_Boy> i only got the Windows Drivers(i think)
[04:32] <Sharn> Yeah... do you not have Xubuntu installed at all?
[04:32] <Sharn> Like, is that happening on the livecd
[04:33] <Dell_Boy> yes
[04:33] <Dell_Boy> im on Window Currently
[04:33] <Sharn> Ooooh. Ouch.
[04:33] <Sharn> I think that might be over my head...
[04:33] <Jester45> as long as its xp i dont care
[04:33] <Dell_Boy> yes its XP
[04:34] <Dell_Boy> im trying to have Linux and XP on my HD
[04:34] <Jester45> ok whats wrong with the x server
[04:35] <Sharn> If you had it installed, you could probably dpkg or whatever it is and fix it... Being a live cd, I'm not sure how to fix it.
[04:35] <Dell_Boy> it says Server X  ( graphical interface) is not set up properly (i think)
[04:35] <Jester45> and have you installed it or using live cd
[04:35] <Sharn> He says he's using the live cd..
[04:35] <Dell_Boy> using LiveCD trying to try Linux out
[04:36] <Dell_Boy> then see if i wanna instal it
[04:36] <Jester45> well you cant edit things on the live cd... only once its booted
[04:36] <Sharn> I think it's all booted except for X...
[04:36] <Jester45> becuase the live cd is on a cd and even if it was a rewriteable
[04:37] <Dell_Boy> oh dangit
[04:37] <Jester45> the fs i scompressed
[04:37] <Sharn> Dell_Boy: does it come to a login prompt or anything?
[04:37] <Dell_Boy> no
[04:37] <Sharn> What does it do after the error?
[04:37] <Dell_Boy> its after swap something [ok] 
[04:37] <Dell_Boy> then something else [ok] 
[04:37] <Dell_Boy> then it does the Server X problem
[04:38] <Sharn> Does it just hang there? Not go any farther?
[04:39] <Dell_Boy> it stays there after i hit ok couple of times
[04:39] <Jester45> o its messing up during boot
[04:39] <Dell_Boy> it says "After fixing Restart GDM"
[04:39] <Dell_Boy> should i download the Radeon Drivers for Linux?
[04:40] <Jester45> try waiting for someone smarter like PuMpErNiCkLe or crimsun to look
[04:40] <Jester45> o
[04:40] <Dell_Boy> ok
[04:40] <Jester45> no you shouldnt
[04:40] <Dell_Boy> ok
[04:41] <Jester45> the driver for ati that comes with xubuntu supports all the caRDS to some extent
[04:41] <Jester45> bootable
[04:41] <Sharn> Yeah... the livecd should boot almost no matter what card you have..
[04:41] <Dell_Boy> I burnt the Xubuntu Disk from the internet
[04:42] <Jester45> what version
[04:42] <Jester45> drapper or edgy
[04:42] <Dell_Boy> hold on
[04:42] <Sharn> I'm pretty sure that's not the problem. :P
[04:42] <Dell_Boy> Edgy
[04:42] <Dell_Boy> 6.10 Edgy Eft
[04:42] <Sharn> You COULD try Dapper.. It may work better.
[04:42] <Jester45> Sharn: could make the problem more specific
[04:43] <Jester45> drapper is more stable
[04:43] <Dell_Boy> ok it did the same thing with Ubuntu
[04:43] <Jester45> is pre drapper supported any more?
[04:43] <Dell_Boy> 6.10 Desktop
[04:43] <Sharn> If it doesn't take you too long to download the disc, I would try it.
[04:43] <Dell_Boy> ok
[04:43] <Sharn> And, Jester45, I don't think they are..
[04:43] <Sharn> You want a link, Dell_Boy?
[04:43] <Dell_Boy> ok
[04:44] <Sharn> One sec
[04:44] <Dell_Boy> ok
[04:44] <Sharn> You want Xubuntu or Ubuntu?
[04:44] <Dell_Boy> Xubuntu
[04:44] <Jester45> goo choice
[04:45] <Dell_Boy> i only have 700mb black CDs
[04:45] <Sharn> Hmmmm. Do you torrent or just direct download?
[04:45] <Dell_Boy> direct download
[04:45] <Dell_Boy> whats Torrent?
[04:46] <Sharn> http://ubuntu-cdimage.datahop.it/xubuntu/releases/6.06.1/release.1/xubuntu-6.06.1-desktop-i386.iso
[04:46] <Dell_Boy> Thanks
[04:46] <Sharn> Torrent directs the load away from the server. Everyon uploads and everyone downloads.
[04:47] <Dell_Boy> oh
[04:47] <Dell_Boy> this is going to take awile to download
[04:48] <Sharn> It'll take as long as the other ones. =\
[04:48] <Dell_Boy> :(
[04:48] <Jester45> the torrents also can be faster
[04:48] <Jester45> because the severs dont have that much speed but many users have more speed
[04:48] <Dell_Boy> oh
[04:48] <Dell_Boy> thats cool
[04:49] <Jester45> and even the dial upers can add up
[04:49] <Dell_Boy> would BitTorrent do it?
[04:49] <Jester45> if you dl from 50 dial up connections you can get 100k/s
[04:49] <Jester45> yes that would work
[04:49] <Sharn> That's exactly it... :P
[04:49] <Dell_Boy> oh
[04:49] <Jester45> you can try that it might be faster
[04:50] <Dell_Boy> my Download Speed supposed to be 7Mbps
[04:50] <Jester45> also you need to give it time to connect to people
[04:50] <Dell_Boy> ok
[04:50] <Jester45> with direct dls you connect to 1 place on torrents i connect to about 100 per torrent
[04:51] <Dell_Boy> Where do i get the Torrent File for Xbuntu?
[04:52] <Sharn> I'll grab it, one sec.
[04:52] <Dell_Boy> thank you
[04:52] <Sharn> http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/6.06.1/release.1/xubuntu-6.06.1-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[04:52] <Sharn> Gotta make myslef helpful somehow. xD
[04:53] <Dell_Boy> :)
[04:53] <Dell_Boy> 3days XD
[04:53] <Jester45> lol
[04:54] <Dell_Boy> lol now its 2days
[04:54] <Jester45> Sharn: you keep xubuntu iso links in your clipboard? :0
[04:54] <Jester45> see
[04:54] <Dell_Boy> lol
[04:54] <Dell_Boy> thats cool
[04:54] <Jester45> give it 15 mins and that is probly top speed
[04:54] <Dell_Boy> ok
[04:55] <Jester45> but ig the ETA keep droping then wait some more
[04:55] <Sharn> Jester45: xD ah, the site's easy to get to though. :P
[04:55] <Dell_Boy> What can i get with Bit Torrent?
[04:55] <Sharn> ...stuff. :O
[04:55] <Jester45> and if it gets faster than the direct download then stop that
[04:55] <Dell_Boy> ...
[04:55] <Jester45> Dell_Boy: anything
[04:55] <Sharn> XD
[04:55] <Dell_Boy> ok
[04:55] <Dell_Boy> lol
[04:56] <Jester45> Dell_Boy: on one "torrent" vista has been downloaded 30,000 times
[04:56] <Sharn> Who's going to tell me how to add stuff to my floppy?
[04:56] <Dell_Boy> WOW
[04:56] <Jester45> and its been there 2 weeks
[04:56] <Dell_Boy> VISTA on Torrent
[04:56] <Jester45> im not suggesting it :0
[04:56] <Sharn> then there's ten or so others equaling another 10,000. :P
[04:56] <Jester45> vista sucks so bad
[04:56] <Dell_Boy> I use Limewire XD
[04:56] <Sharn> Vista ftl.
[04:56] <Sharn> Limewire ftl.
[04:56] <Dell_Boy> ?
[04:56] <Jester45> do you get videos from limewire?
[04:57] <Sharn> Frostwire and Xubuntu ftw. ^_^
[04:57] <Dell_Boy> dont do it
[04:57] <Jester45> gtk-gnutella ftw
[04:57] <Dell_Boy> videos programs contain Trojans trust me i tried it
[04:57] <Sharn> Jester45: short answer: no. Look answer: you can try. :P
[04:57] <Sharn> It'll be slow and chances are it won't work anyhow.
[04:57] <Sharn> aXXo. Torrentspy.
[04:57] <Sharn> :P
[04:58] <Dell_Boy> ?
[04:58] <Dell_Boy> lol
[04:58] <Sharn> Nothing. -whistles-
[04:58] <Dell_Boy> its back to 3days
[04:58] <Sharn> It'll speed up.
[04:58] <Dell_Boy> i hope so
[04:58] <Jester45> Dell_Boy: the most downloaded torrent on mininova.org is season 1 eps. 3 of desprate house wifes and has been downloade d 1,300,000 times
[04:58] <Sharn> Ok, how the heck do I add my files to my fake floppy.
[04:59] <Sharn> Are you serious?!
[04:59] <Jester45> dd it Sharn
[04:59] <Jester45> nope
[04:59] <Sharn> Ahhh. dd sucks. :P
[04:59] <Jester45> well i got that from memory i know its the same show and its over 1 mill
[04:59] <Sharn> Crazy.
[05:00] <Jester45> http://www.mininova.org/stats/
[05:00] <Sharn> Oh that's sad.
[05:00] <Jester45> 1,061,000 times
[05:00] <Jester45> close
[05:01] <Jester45> and by the looks of the leachers/seeds itsgoing strong
[05:01] <Jester45> aa i got the season and ep mixed
[05:01] <Jester45> season 3 ep 9
[05:01] <Dell_Boy> no way i found the sims 1 on BitTorrent
[05:01] <Sharn> Stupid Playstation Underground. >.<
[05:02] <Sharn> Dell_Boy: you can find lots of weird stuff in torrents...
[05:02] <Dell_Boy> oh.... im new to it
[05:02] <Jester45> like thinks with many x's
[05:03] <Jester45> http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3513851/Freelancer_NO.CD.KEY.NEEDED is not my upload :) the guy just copied my user name
[05:03] <Jester45> has 6000+ dls
[05:04] <Jester45> very happy about that
[05:04] <Jester45> nice game
[05:04] <Jester45> very nice
[05:04] <Sharn> They're changing up daylight savings time again. >.<
[05:04] <Sharn> What is Freelancer?...
[05:07] <Jester45> a great game
[05:08] <Jester45> i think ms still has it online
[05:08] <Sharn> They put Ubuntu in Popular Science. :O
[05:08] <Dell_Boy> ya thats where i found how to install it
[05:08] <Jester45> www.microsoft.com/games/freelancer
[05:08] <Sharn> Oh, sweet. Welcome to the open-source world. As soon as you get into it. :)
[05:09] <Sharn> (They theme lots better) :P
[05:10] <Sharn> That's an old game....
[05:13] <Jester45> yes it is
[05:14] <Jester45> but looks wonder full still
[05:14] <Jester45> i wish the reall world looked like that
[05:14] <Jester45> best thing ms made
[05:14] <Sharn> Quake still looks cool too. :P
[05:16] <Jester45> no freelancer looks great not cool
[05:17] <Jester45> big diffrence :)
[05:19] <Sharn> Yeah yeah...
[05:19] <Sharn> This floppy thing is being so freaking stupid. >.<
[05:19] <Jester45> glade you see it my way
[05:19] <Dell_Boy> I found a version of Ubuntu that faster for my impatient personality
[05:19] <Dell_Boy> http://cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/
[05:20] <Jester45> ok now about my script problem
[05:20] <Dell_Boy> its in a .exe format
[05:21] <Sharn> Well, you can try it.
[05:21] <Dell_Boy> ill see if it works
[05:21] <Sharn> I prefer mine custom anyway. ^_^
[05:22] <Dell_Boy> lol
[05:24] <Jester45> if [[ "$type" == "NTSC"] ] ;
[05:24] <Jester45> gives me  syntax error in conditional expression: unexpected token `;'
[05:25] <Sharn> Heh..
[05:25] <malnilion> Are there supposed to be quotes around $type?
[05:25] <Sharn> Jester45: likes confusing linux lines...
[05:25] <Sharn> -:
[05:26] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Jester45: Are you doing if [[ stuff ] ]  then ...
[05:26] <Jester45> PuMpErNiCkLe: ??
[05:26] <Jester45> im not sure
[05:26] <Sharn> Yeah, if that's true, then what?
[05:26] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Is that an if/then statement?
[05:26] <malnilion> There probably shouldn't be a ; at the end.
[05:26] <Jester45> i dont anything about if stuff
[05:26] <PuMpErNiCkLe> malnilion: Exactly.
[05:26] <Jester45> yeas its a if ten
[05:26] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Don't use the ;
[05:26] <Jester45> but without the ; i get a
[05:27] <Jester45> syntax error in conditional expression
[05:27] <malnilion> And then you try removing the quotes around $type?
[05:27] <Jester45> syntax error near then
[05:27] <Jester45> i will try that
[05:28] <malnilion> This still that bash script you're working on?
[05:28] <Jester45> yes lol
[05:28] <Jester45> i had to do some other things
[05:31] <malnilion> The syntax, rather.
[05:31] <Sharn> Yeeeeah. Good luck. :P
[05:31] <malnilion> Easier than learning assembly, I'd wager :P
[05:31] <Sharn> Naaah.
[05:32] <Jester45> if [[ "$type" == "NTSC"] ] ; then <----- gives a error about the ;
[05:32] <Jester45> with out the ; gives syntax error in conditional expression near `then'
[05:32] <Jester45> and removing the "" around $type doesnt help
[05:32] <malnilion> From what I can tell, bash doesn't look too hard...
[05:33] <malnilion> Hmmm
[05:34] <Sharn> Vb ftw. xD
[05:34] <Sharn> Joking, rofl... Haven't used VB for a long time.
[05:34] <malnilion> Okay, I'm looking at the bash man entry right now.
[05:35] <malnilion> And you know what? The damnedest thing is that it appears you *do* have to have a semicolon after your if statement.
[05:35] <Jester45> PuMpErNiCkLe: want to look at my code?
[05:36] <Jester45> o and FOO=`which mencoder`; if [[ "" != "$FOO" ] ] ; then
[05:36] <Jester45> 	echo "mencoder is installed";
[05:36] <Jester45> doesnt compline about anything
[05:37] <Dell_Boy> Bye everyone
[05:37] <malnilion> Have you tried switching "NTSC" and "$type" around in the if statement (just for shits and giggles)? :P
[05:38] <Sharn> May work. ^
[05:38] <Sharn> Joking, I have no clue.
[05:41] <Jester45> bash needs to stop being gay
[05:42] <Sharn> No comment. xD
[05:43] <malnilion> Gay bashing, lol
[05:43] <Jester45> lol
[05:43] <Jester45> ummm
[05:44] <Jester45> i think i fixed it
[05:44] <malnilion> What'd ya do?
[05:45] <Jester45> ok
[05:45] <Jester45> yea fixed that
[05:45] <Jester45> if [[ "$type" == "NTSC"] ] ; the
[05:45] <Jester45> should of been
[05:45] <Jester45> if [[ "$type" == "NTSC" ] ] ; the
[05:46] <Jester45> very suttle
[05:46] <malnilion> Are you kidding me?
[05:46] <malnilion> Whitespace matters?
[05:46] <malnilion> That's stiff.
[05:47] <Jester45> lol guess so
[05:47] <Sharn> Surprise
[05:47] <Jester45> still doesnt work perfectly
[05:47] <malnilion> What error you got now?
[05:47] <Sharn> Welcome to programming. xD
[05:48] <Jester45> no error just not finished
[05:48] <Sharn> malnilion: do you program anything now?
[05:48] <malnilion> A little bit of Java, nothing fancy.
[05:48] <malnilion> Could do some C++ too.
[05:48] <Jester45> ok
[05:48] <Jester45> now my problem is that im not sure how to do this
[05:49] <malnilion> I'm a comp sci major, though, so I should theoretically be getting better :P
[05:49] <Jester45> im trying to automate dvd making encoding-authoring-burning
[05:49] <malnilion> Looks like you got the encoding part :P
[05:49] <Jester45> and the way im doing it
[05:50] <Jester45> is the first thing to encode is to check audio type and if needed to encode it
[05:50] <malnilion> Right
[05:50] <Jester45> now if its ac3 then nothing is done but if its somthing else i need to run a 2nd part of the script
[05:50] <Jester45> how could i do this
[05:51] <malnilion> Ah, here's where oop is helpful
[05:51] <Jester45> i think i could run a 2nd outside script
[05:51] <malnilion> Probably.
[05:51] <Sharn> Sheesh... Probably fancier than mine. ^_^
[05:51] <malnilion> But would you need to? Maybe not.
[05:51] <Jester45> but thats not what i would realy like
[05:51] <malnilion> Let's see what I can find about bash scripting.
[05:53] <Jester45> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5677/
[05:54] <malnilion> Alright, let's make a function :)
[05:55] <Jester45> thats for if the audio is ac3
[05:55] <Jester45> sorry if its a little sloppy to you
[05:55] <Jester45> its my 2nd script
[05:55] <Jester45> working up the ladder
[05:55] <malnilion> if [[ "$audiotype" != "ac3" ] ] ; then do_other_shit();
[05:55] <malnilion> or something
[05:56] <malnilion> Can you get the audio type into a variable somehow?
[05:56] <Jester45> well at line 39
[05:56] <Jester45> it figures if its ac3 or not
[05:57] <malnilion> Ah, there ya go.
[05:57] <Sharn> Rofl...
[05:57] <Jester45> hwac3 is ac3
[05:57] <Jester45> like all my comments?
[05:57] <malnilion> if [[ "$AUDIO_FORMAT" != "hwac3" ] ] ; then do_other_shit();
[05:57] <malnilion> ^ maybe?
[05:57] <malnilion> Yeah, comments are helpful.
[05:58] <Jester45> they work as a separator for me
[05:58] <malnilion> Or here's what you can do:
[05:59] <malnilion> if [[ "$AUDIO_FORMAT" == "hwac3" ] ] ; then { code that you want to execute if it's true goes here } else { code that you want to do if it's false goes here }
[05:59] <malnilion> ^ use appropriate line breaks with the curly braces por favor :)
[06:00] <Jester45> ok the above suggestion i need to be able to run 2 diffrent mencoder commands 1 for PAL and 1 for NTSC
[06:00] <Jester45> ok the above above
[06:00] <Jester45> so could i do
[06:01] <Jester45> the line 39 thing to get a $audio_format
[06:01] <Jester45> o
[06:01] <Jester45> i c
[06:03] <malnilion> bash scripting has a strange syntax, lol
[06:04] <Jester45> do you know html?
[06:04] <malnilion> A tiny bit, probably forgotten most of it.
[06:04] <Jester45> you know the bookmark thing
[06:04] <malnilion> Wish I could say I did.
[06:05] <Jester45> the www.blah.com/pagethis.html#skiptothispart
[06:05] <malnilion> Oh, right.
[06:05] <malnilion> Yeah
[06:05] <Sharn> I never got that part. :P
[06:05] <Jester45> tink bash has this
[06:05] <Jester45> aaa
[06:05] <Jester45> i need to take a break
[06:05] <Jester45> head is over thinking again
[06:06] <Sharn> Well, you guys have fun. I'm off.
[06:06] <Jester45> k
[06:06] <Jester45> bye
[06:06] <Sharn> Later
[06:06] <malnilion> Just remember, your script runs in the order you specify with control structures
[06:06] <Jester45> yes
[06:07] <Jester45> but can i make a umm subsection
[06:07] <Jester45> like
[06:07] <Jester45> aaa
[06:07] <Jester45> arrrg
[06:07] <malnilion> The answer is most likely yes :P
[06:07] <malnilion> You are probably asking if you can make a function.
[06:07] <Jester45> ok do you understand what i need to so
[06:08] <Jester45> to do*
[06:08] <Jester45> as far as the encoding part
[06:08] <Jester45> its like a tree
[06:08] <malnilion> Right
[06:09] <Jester45> first think is the file then if the audio is right then if its PAL or NTSC then is its wide or full screen
[06:10] <malnilion> Yep, you just use if statements for each step.
[06:10] <Jester45> but
[06:11] <Jester45> after the audio i need to do a 2nd if
[06:11] <Jester45> not just one command
[06:11] <Jester45> wait
[06:11] <Jester45> can i do
[06:11] <malnilion> You're saying you want to add another command to that if statement?
[06:12] <Jester45> if [[statement] ] ; then
[06:12] <Jester45> run this
[06:12] <Jester45> else run this if statement
[06:12] <Jester45> can the else contane a if statemtent
[06:13] <malnilion> Yep, that'd be an else if.
[06:13] <malnilion> Should work.
[06:14] <malnilion> I think you need to use the symbol "elif"
[06:14] <Jester45> ??
[06:14] <malnilion> if [[statement] ] ; then
[06:14] <malnilion> run this
[06:15] <malnilion> elif [[statement] ] ; then
[06:15] <malnilion> run this
[06:15] <Jester45> whats the diff
[06:15] <malnilion> I just think that's how the bash syntax works
[06:15] <Jester45> well i will try with noramal if
[06:17] <malnilion> Yeah try an else if first
[06:19] <malnilion> elif is a correct method, though
[06:21] <malnilion> Ooooh, found something interesting.
[06:21] <malnilion> Until you close an if with a fi, it's open for nesting :P
[06:22] <malnilion> Weird, weird syntax :P
[06:26] <Jester45> yea
[06:26] <Jester45> hsould i put 2 fi
[06:26] <malnilion> Yep.
[06:26] <malnilion> Are you updating that pastebin?
[06:27] <Jester45> nope
[06:27] <Jester45> :)
[06:27] <malnilion> Okey dokey :)
[06:29] <Jester45> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5679/
[06:29] <Jester45> thought i was spamming the old one
[06:30] <Jester45> its working!!!!!!!!1
[06:30] <Jester45> now the video i did was only vid no sound
[06:30] <Jester45> but now it understands it
[06:31] <Jester45> you try it?
[06:32] <Jester45> ok...
[06:32] <Jester45> i think it encoded 2 times
[06:37] <Jester45> it keeps encoding
[06:38] <malnilion> Oh dear... :/
[06:38] <Jester45> not good for encoding
[06:39] <Jester45> ok
[06:39] <Jester45> i removed somthing
[06:39] <Jester45> works now
[06:40] <Jester45> lol
[06:40] <Jester45> 5.4 % over head
[06:40] <Jester45> 989kb avi into 2.3mb mpeg
[06:41] <Jester45> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5680/
[07:20] <malnilion> Jester45, so I take it it's working?
[07:20] <Jester45> yep
[07:20] <malnilion> Sweet, now the next part of the code? :P
[07:20] <Jester45> allmost done with step 2 of 3
[07:22] <Jester45> authoring
[07:24] <malnilion> When you really wanna get fancy you can put in user prompts into your script ("Do you want me to try installing blah for you?" if yes, blah, if not, exit the script) :P
[07:25] <Jester45> yea i kinda have that
[07:27] <Jester45> echo you wanna install this
[07:27] <Jester45> read (user'simputas a word)
[07:27] <Jester45> so read type
[07:27] <Jester45> on my script was
[07:27] <Jester45> do you want a NTSC or
[07:27] <Jester45> PAL dvd
[07:30] <malnilion> Man, I love linux.
[07:39] <Jester45> do you know where i could get a little xml file hosted?
[07:39] <Jester45>  i need it for the authoring part but my site itsnt on 24/7
[07:41] <Jester45> or...
[07:42] <BrianR> can someone help me
[07:42] <BrianR> I shoutcast with a shoutcast plugin in winxp I am switching to Ubuntu can you shoutcast with it to a shoutcast server?
[07:42] <Jester45> yes
[07:42] <BrianR> how can you do that can you tell me wich program?
[07:42] <Jester45> i remeber that shoutcast has a linux server
[07:43] <Jester45> just second let me look
[07:43] <BrianR> ok
[07:43] <BrianR> I don't have my ubuntu cd yet
[07:43] <BrianR> going to be 4 to 6 weeks but your help is appreciated
[07:43] <Jester45> lol
[07:43] <Jester45> ok
[07:44] <BrianR> I know it's weird
[07:44] <BrianR> lol
[07:44] <Jester45> all you have to do is run "sudo apt-get install icecast-server"
[07:44] <Jester45> and it will be installed
[07:44] <BrianR> icecast-server
[07:45] <Jester45> im not sure how you set it up
[07:45] <BrianR> I want to dj from ubuntu?
[07:45] <BrianR> to a already exsisting server
[07:45] <Jester45> yes you can do that with icecast
[07:45] <BrianR> oh and it will connect to shoutcast servers huh?
[07:45] <Jester45> you send your stream to s aserver that has more bandwidth
[07:46] <Jester45> yep as i said i dont know how to set it up but it should be easy
[07:46] <BrianR> okay
[07:46] <Jester45> !info icecast-server
[07:46] <ubotu> icecast-server: MPEG Layer III Streaming Server. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.3.12-14 (edgy), package size 176 kB, installed size 728 kB
[07:46] <Jester45> this might work
[07:46] <BrianR> ok thanks
[07:46] <Jester45> !info darkcast
[07:46] <ubotu> Package darkcast does not exist in edgy, edgy-seveas
[07:47] <Jester45> !info idjc
[07:47] <ubotu> Package idjc does not exist in edgy, edgy-seveas
[07:47] <Jester45> !info darkice
[07:47] <ubotu> darkice: Live audio streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.17.1-1 (edgy), package size 94 kB, installed size 308 kB
[07:47] <Jester45> you can search the ubuntu forums they might have somthing more detailed about it
[07:48] <Rymac91> ...
[07:48] <Jester45> ....
[07:48] <Rymac91> hey! I got something to work!
[07:48] <Jester45> lol
[07:49] <Jester45> need help then?
[07:49] <Rymac91> yeah
[07:49] <Rymac91> I was wondering how to install firefox 2
[07:49] <Jester45> ask way
[07:49] <Jester45> are you on drapper
[07:49] <Rymac91> yeah
[07:49] <Jester45> or adgy
[07:49] <Jester45> ok
[07:50] <Jester45> whats the default version? 1.5
[07:50] <Rymac91> yeah
[07:50] <Jester45> goto the menu
[07:50] <Jester45> then
[07:51] <Jester45> system ----> synaptic package manger
[07:51] <Jester45> then
[07:51] <Jester45> settings --> repositories
[07:52] <Jester45> then check the top 4 boxes
[07:52] <Jester45> click close
[07:52] <Jester45> then in upper left coner click reload
[07:53] <Jester45> then close the package manger
[07:53] <Jester45> open a terminal
[07:53] <Jester45> type sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:53] <Jester45> then press enter type pass and type y press enter ans wait for it to finish
[07:55] <Rymac91> hmm
[07:55] <Rymac91> pass y like that?
[07:56] <Rymac91> or Pass then y
[07:56] <Jester45> is ask for you password
[07:56] <Jester45> type your passoword in press enter
[07:56] <Jester45> then it should ask you are you sure you want to continue? [Y/N] 
[07:57] <Rymac91> never got to that..
[07:57] <Jester45> is it downloading new files?
[07:57] <Rymac91> it asked for my password after entering "sudo apt-get update"
[07:58] <Jester45> type your password in
[07:58] <Rymac91> did that...
[07:58] <Jester45> and pressed enter?
[07:58] <Rymac91> yes
[07:59] <Jester45> then what happened
[07:59] <Rymac91> either it was listing stuff or getting stuff
[08:00] <Jester45> ok ANS YOUr back at a new line?
[08:00] <Rymac91> then it said W: GPG error: http://wine.lowvoice.nl dapper Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 58403026387EE263
[08:00] <Rymac91> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[08:00] <Rymac91> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[08:01] <Jester45> do you stlll have the package manger open?
[08:01] <Rymac91> yes
[08:01] <Jester45> ok well
[08:01] <Jester45> go to that
[08:01] <Jester45> and click mark all upgrades
[08:01] <Jester45> then click apply
[08:07] <Jester45> did that work?
[08:07] <Rymac91> it's doing...whatever it does >_>
[08:07] <Jester45> its upgrading your system
[08:07] <Rymac91> I was thinking that
[08:08] <Jester45> is this the first time you did this?
[08:08] <Rymac91> just watching text fly by in the terminal
[08:08] <Rymac91> no I don't think so...
[08:08] <Rymac91> I think I've done this a month ago...
[08:08] <malnilion> dapper -> edgy?
[08:08] <Jester45> well you have a lot of this to upgrade
[08:08] <Jester45> drapper-> newer drapper
[08:08] <Jester45> :0
[08:08] <malnilion> Oh
[08:09] <Jester45> drapper to edgy is bad
[08:09] <Rymac91> I've heard there were problems with upgrading to edgy from drapper :S
[08:09] <Rymac91> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/samba_3.0.22-1ubuntu3.2_i386.deb: subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
[08:09] <Rymac91> that just popped up
[08:10] <Jester45> humm
[08:10] <Jester45> malnilion: any idea?
[08:10] <Rymac91> well...seems to be done
[08:11] <malnilion> Jester45, nope, but then again, I didn't upgrade dapper to edgy.
[08:11] <Jester45> he isnt
[08:12] <Jester45> shouldnt take long
[08:12] <Rymac91> it's done
[08:13] <Jester45> malnilion: think they will fix drapper to feisty?
[08:13] <malnilion> lol, no
[08:13] <Jester45> now search for firefox
[08:13] <Jester45> and look at the installed verson coulum
[08:13] <malnilion> I bet the only way to get feisty will be to upgrade from edgy or reinstall.
[08:14] <Jester45> i dont see why not
[08:14] <Jester45> drapper will still be supported
[08:15] <Rymac91> Installed version of firefox is 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.9-0ubuntu0.6.06.1
[08:15] <malnilion> Can you upgrade whatever the c c release was to edgy? Don't think so.
[08:16] <Jester45> cc?
[08:16] <Jester45> warty to edgy? fun fun
[08:18] <malnilion> Wait, was there a c c release or did it go from breezy to dapper?
[08:18] <malnilion> Huh, guess it did go breezy to dapper
[08:18] <Jester45> whats c c
[08:19] <Rymac91> don't think it did anything to firefox
[08:19] <malnilion> Well, all the Ubuntu releases are double letter names
[08:19] <Jester45> humm
[08:19] <Rymac91> it's still 1.5
[08:19] <malnilion> Breezy Badger
[08:19] <malnilion> Dapper Drake
[08:19] <malnilion> Edgy Eft
[08:19] <Jester45> o
[08:19] <Jester45> yes they are
[08:19] <silya> can I upgrade ti fiesty?
[08:19] <Jester45> yes
[08:19] <malnilion> silya, theoretically :P
[08:19] <silya> and what features of that release in xubuntu?
[08:20] <Jester45> you can right now
[08:21] <silya> By the way.. I installed e17 and all russian symbols looks like squares :( howto fix it?
[08:21] <malnilion> Compile with unicode support?
[08:21] <malnilion> I dunno
[08:21] <malnilion> You need unicode somehow.
[08:22] <silya> Feisty Fawn Herd 3 Candidate Images Need testers
[08:22] <silya> :)
[08:25] <Rymac91> hmm...firefox is still 1.5...
[08:25] <Jester45> dont look at ff's about screen
[08:25] <Rymac91> wonder why it didn't work...
[08:25] <Jester45> it is messed up
[08:26] <Rymac91> I'm not...
[08:26] <malnilion> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades
[08:26] <Rymac91> I'm just noticing that firefox is lacking ver 2 features...
[08:26] <Rymac91> and it says 1.5 in the package manager ;)
[08:26] <Jester45> idk
[08:26] <Rymac91> hmm
[08:27] <Jester45> whats it sat next to the installed version ? same?
[08:27] <Rymac91> yeah...
[08:28] <Rymac91> Could it be I need to manual install it?
[08:28] <Jester45> maybe
[08:29] <Jester45> search he ubuntu forums
[08:29] <Rymac91> k
[08:37] <Jester45> brbr kernal upgrade
[08:40] <Rymac91> hmm
[08:40] <Rymac91> still clueless
[08:45] <Rymac91> wb
[08:49] <Jester45> hi
[08:50] <Rymac91> ok...got a simpler(or more complex, depending on how this goes) question...
[08:50] <Jester45> $Startlog
[08:50] <Rymac91> how the heck do I untar a tar file?
[08:50] <Jester45> doubleclick
[08:50] <DarthLappy> tar -xf foo.tar
[08:50] <Jester45> or
[08:51] <Jester45> foo.tar meaning thr tar file
[08:51] <Jester45> $Sleep
[08:51] <DarthLappy> O_o? What's up with the $ stuff?
[08:51] <Jester45> logging
[08:51] <Jester45> i going to bed
[08:52] <Rymac91> hmm
[08:52] <Jester45> and the $Sleep stops people from ending the log
[08:53] <Jester45> well bye bye
[08:53] <Rymac91> I've tryed using Xarchiver 0.3.3 but it fails no matter what tar I try to untar
[10:48] <gunny01> All my packages have disapeered from synaptic, and I can't get them to reapper? Any help?
[10:53] <silya> after what?
[10:54] <gunny01> Dunno: just booted up today and they aren't there
[11:07] <SoulChild> Hey all ...
[11:08] <SoulChild> I have this strange PRoblem that Links in Thunderbird or X-Chat (anywhere) do not open???
[12:59] <rippawallet> !grub
[12:59] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:40] <sk2> Hi, I am unable to add new entries to GDM in Xubuntu. If I add them to gksudo mousepad /usr/share/xsessions/xgl.desktop & they don't show up
[02:55] <SoulChild> HELP! Firefox does not open if i click any link???
[04:01] <the-noo-noo> Hi, newbie alert!  Would this be an appropriate place to ask a question about an OOo problem I have running on Xubuntu Edgy?
[04:10] <pk_butu> On xubuntu installtion..... I installed centos
[04:11] <pk_butu> but now I am unable to boot from xubuntu
[04:11] <pk_butu> can any body help what to do?
[04:20] <the-noo-noo> Sorry, am I missing something here?  There are 70 other people logged in but no-one answers questions...
[04:23] <grazie> the-noo-noo: is your problem with OOo?
[04:27] <the-noo-noo> Ah, thanks.  In Writer, whenever I click insert --> cross-reference the whole program crashes.  I've searched the forums and google with no references
[04:27] <the-noo-noo> For your info, I don't have a JRE installed and have unchecked the box in OOo's options
[04:31] <grazie> the-noo-noo: I've no idea. try an OO.o channel
[04:32] <the-noo-noo> Thanks anyway.  Here on irc you mean?
[04:32] <maxamillion> the-noo-noo: that in all honestly could be the problem, i know it doesn't mention it in the package manager installation but i know on windows (because i install it on windows boxes at work) that during the installation it warns that if you lack atleast JRE 1.4.2 that the application might not have full functionality
[04:33] <Jester45> the-noo-noo: most if not all the people in here are just users so they sit here and if they get to their computer they answer questions
[04:34] <the-noo-noo> Thanks Maximillion.  Unfortunately, I can't install JRE at the moment as I only have 45MB of drive space left!
[04:34] <Jester45> oo
[04:34] <the-noo-noo> Thanks for your comment Jester45
[04:35] <the-noo-noo> Yeah I have a 1999 laptop with a 4GB hard drive and it's partitioned in two lots of 2GB so that I can keep my Win98 installed until I'm happy that I can transfer completely to Xubuntu.
[04:36] <Jester45> the-noo-noo: you can remove some things from the package manger and that can give you much more space
[04:36] <Jester45> on freash installes i remove 200mb of stuff
[04:37] <the-noo-noo> OpenOffice is my biggest concern at the moment.  I have another crash problem with it that I have little way of knowing the cause.  It happens when I try to open a particular Word document so I never see what the problem is!
[04:37] <the-noo-noo> I've tried to remove as much as I can - non western fonts, GIMP, TBird, etc.
[04:38] <grazie> the-noo-noo: if haven't got much ram, OO.o can be pretty slow and troublesome
[04:38] <the-noo-noo> Hmm
[04:38] <maxamillion> the-noo-noo: the document that crashes out in OOo, have you tried opening it in AbiWord? ... i have noticed that sometimes OOo chokes one some documents with certain formatting whereas AbiWord will just ignore them and continue to function
[04:39] <Jester45> try running OOo from a terminal and see if it has a verbrose mode
[04:39] <the-noo-noo> Funny you should ask - I uninstalled AbiWord to make more space available!
[04:39] <Jester45> so it will tel you evry thing its doing
[04:40] <the-noo-noo> Jester45: Can you explain how I would find out if it has a verbose mode, please?
[04:40] <Jester45> quick question: can you use ubuntu cds as a repo with synatic?
[04:40] <Jester45> man OpenOffice.org
[04:41] <Jester45> might work
[04:41] <the-noo-noo> Jester45: sorry, what's a repo?
[04:41] <Jester45> idk the command for OOo i dont use it
[04:41] <Jester45> repository
[04:41] <Jester45> its where you download all the packages from
[04:42] <maxamillion> !repo
[04:42] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[04:42] <maxamillion> :)
[04:42] <the-noo-noo> Jester45: still not sure what you mean (I did give a newbie alert!).  OOo was installed from the liveCD
[04:43] <BFTD> !krftb
[04:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about krftb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:43] <Jester45> the-noo-noo: im talking about for me
[04:43] <the-noo-noo> Jester45: Got you, sorry!
[04:44] <BFTD> whast a good linux P2P program?
[04:44] <maxamillion> BFTD: gtkgnutella
[04:44] <maxamillion> !gtkgnutella
[04:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gtkgnutella - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:44] <maxamillion> what@#@!$%~^
[04:44] <maxamillion> !gtk-gnutella
[04:44] <ubotu> gtk-gnutella: shares files in a peer to peer network. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.96.1-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1982 kB, installed size 7016 kB
[04:44] <maxamillion> that's better
[04:46] <Jester45> maxamillion: wonderfull program there
[04:48] <Jester45> anyone know where to get the ubuntu dvds
[04:48] <Jester45> or xubuntu if they have them
[04:48] <grazie> the-noo-noo: in a terminal enter 'oowriter'
[04:49] <maxamillion> Jester45: xubuntu doesn't have dvds ... the ubuntu dvds for feisty are ... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/
[04:52] <maxamillion> brb
[04:52] <the-noo-noo> grazie: will that then log problems in the terminal window?
[04:53] <the-noo-noo> grazie: Just searched the man OpenOffice but there doesn't seem to be a verbose mode
[04:56] <Jester45> ok
[04:56] <Jester45> ty
[04:57] <the-noo-noo> grazie: you're right, the terminal logs problems.  Just opening the program without loading any files throws up 4 faults, the following one 3 times: (process:6997): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_screen_get_font_options: assertion `GDK_IS_SCREEN (screen)' failed
[04:58] <the-noo-noo> Anyone know why I get the above OOo fault?
[05:00] <grazie> the-noo-noo: launching programs from a terminal is a standard way to get more details
[05:00] <grazie> the-noo-noo: can't really help with those errors. how much memory you got?
[05:02] <the-noo-noo> grazie: thanks. I've got over 100MB free, 186MB total
[05:03] <the-noo-noo> grazie: Any ideas, I got the following fault when inserted a cross-reference: (process:7080): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: gtype.c:2240: initialization assertion failed, use IA__g_type_init() prior to this function
[05:03] <grazie> the-noo-noo: running OO.o with 256M is going to be pretty slow, so with 186M...
[05:04] <the-noo-noo> grazie: doesn't seem too slow to me and, as I say, I've got over 100MB unused.
[05:06] <grazie> the-noo-noo: you're going to get better OO.o answers on a OO.o channel or forum
[05:07] <the-noo-noo> grazie: You're probably right.  I'm just checking Google and ubuntuforums, but thanks for your help!
[05:07] <grazie> np
[05:11] <maxamillion> back
[05:16] <the-noo-noo> grazie: it seems my system font is the issue, someone else reported the same issue and found that by changing to a different system font his errors cleared.  Sorry to be so ignorant, but how do I change the system font?  It is the one in Settings --> User Interface Settings, Theme, Font?
[05:22] <grazie> the-noo-noo: yes I suppose so...I've never needed to change mine. do you know what fonts will work though?
[05:23] <the-noo-noo> grazie: no!  Just found another lead on the forums though.
[05:23] <grazie> the-noo-noo: the forums are great! :)
[05:34] <the-noo-noo> Just a quick general question, in a DOS window you can press F3 to copy the last command typed in onto the current prompt.  Is there a linux equiv?
[05:36] <maxamillion> the-noo-noo: the up arrow
[05:36] <maxamillion> the-noo-noo: that will allow you to scroll through you last 30 (maybe more) commands you entered
[05:36] <maxamillion> your*
[05:36] <the-noo-noo> maxamillion: you're a fine chap!
[05:36] <maxamillion> i try :)
[05:41] <maxamillion> gotta run ... bbl
[05:42] <the-noo-noo> Well, I still haven't found a fix for my crashing OOo writer, but I need to get some work done for a change!  That's the thing about linux - it's so much fun trying to fix and tweak things!
[06:52] <highvoltage> !seen maximilion
[06:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen maximilion - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:53] <Sharn> No !seen?
[07:02] <bur[n] er> anyone build xfmedia 0.9.2?
[07:03] <Sharn> Nope, having troubles?
[07:06] <Jester45> !info xfmedia
[07:06] <ubotu> xfmedia: Xfce media player. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.1-5ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 456 kB, installed size 1428 kB
[07:06] <bur[n] er> no, haven't tried, but I like .debs ;)
[07:06] <Jester45> do you really need 0.0.1 more?
[07:06] <bur[n] er> totally
[07:07] <Jester45> sweat
[07:07] <Jester45> sweet
[07:08] <Jester45> my new camara records video as avi files
[07:12] <Sharn> Niiice. Like, video camera, or just normal?
[07:12] <Sharn> And bur[n] er, compiling is fun. ^_^
[07:12] <Jester45> both
[07:14] <bur[n] er> I hope it makes Feisty release though
[07:14] <Sharn> What does?
[07:14] <bur[n] er> xfmedia
[07:15] <Sharn> Pop Science is so freaking slow..
[07:15] <Jester45> they removed it in edgy its not gonna go back in
[07:15] <bur[n] er> i know gxine is preferred, but i like xfmedia :)
[07:15] <Sharn> Is Fiesty mostly stable already?
[07:15] <bur[n] er> it's in universe
[07:15] <bur[n] er> I've been using feisty for awhile
[07:15] <bur[n] er> since herd2 i've had no issues
[07:15] <Sharn> Hmmmm
[07:16] <Jester45> i prefer xfmedia for quick audio playing and mplayer for all videos and then amorak for long time music listening
[07:16] <Sharn> Audacious for music for me. Sooo pretty. xD
[07:16] <bur[n] er> exaile over amarok for me just due to gtk and quest for lightness
[07:16] <Sharn> Same ^
[07:17] <Sharn> Exaile is all right, but I prefer skinnable apps.
[07:17] <Jester45> exile is to ugly
[07:17] <Sharn> Works though.
[07:17] <Sharn> :P
[07:18] <Sharn> PopSci needs to tell me how to make a solar backpack already.
[07:19] <Sharn> I keep my desktop mostly bare, now....
[07:19] <Sharn> Trash and IE. :P
[07:20] <Jester45> why IE
[07:20] <Sharn> Why did I want ti...
[07:20] <Sharn> it*
[07:20] <Sharn> And ie4linux put an icon there. Looks alright so I left it alone.
[07:20] <bur[n] er> lol
[07:20] <bur[n] er> that thing doesn't run very well here
[07:20] <bur[n] er> crash happy
[07:21] <Sharn> ie4linux?
[07:21] <bur[n] er> ...imagine that
[07:21] <bur[n] er> yeah
[07:21] <Sharn> Worked alright for me.
[07:21] <Sharn> But then I didn't really use it either.
[07:21] <Jester45> i still wanna know why you would want IE
[07:21] <Sharn> I was trying to get into a M$ site or something.
[07:21] <Sharn> I don't remember.
[07:21] <Sharn> I don't really use it.
[07:22] <Jester45> firefox has a plugin for that
[07:22] <bur[n] er> that works in ubuntu?
[07:22] <bur[n] er> Jester45: do tell
[07:22] <Sharn> Yes, please do. :P
[07:22] <Sharn> Barely works in Windows. O_o
[07:22] <Jester45> i dont remeber the name but i used it before
[07:22] <bur[n] er> ietab and ieview work in windows, but that depends on ie being installed
[07:22] <Sharn> Yeah. ^
[07:23] <Jester45> yes it works in linux
[07:23] <Sharn> Pmg
[07:23] <hyper_ch> hiho
[07:23] <Sharn> Ohih
[07:23] <Sharn> xD
[07:24] <Sharn> Trouble melts like lemon a dopr.
[07:24] <Sharn> Woops. Wrong spot. :P
[07:24] <hyper_ch> anyone knows the xlive cd?
[07:26] <Jester45> guess what i just got
[07:26] <hyper_ch> what did you just get?
[07:26] <Jester45> a 8 poty usb hub
[07:26] <Jester45> port*
[07:27] <hyper_ch> oh.... more USB connectors... I need that
[07:27] <Jester45> super glued under my desk
[07:27] <hyper_ch> bur[n] er: what's the first spam entry that you made? ^^
[07:27] <Jester45> soo it looks very nice and is very easy to add things
[07:28] <Jester45> and doesnt move at all
[07:28] <bur[n] er> hyper_ch: it's for my companies' intranet :)  easy way to set agenda for meetings
[07:28] <bur[n] er> bbl
[07:28] <hyper_ch> a wiki for agenda... hmmm... itneresting :)
[07:44] <Sharn> Wikis pwn
[07:45] <Sharn> If I didn't use one from the hub, I'd have 10 posts. ^_^
[07:45] <Jester45> usb stuff is very helpfull
[07:45] <Sharn> Ports*
[07:45] <Sharn> 6 from the PC.
[07:46] <Sharn> I only have like 3 things to plug in. xD
[07:46] <Jester45> with hub in i have 8+6 open ports
[07:46] <Jester45> 14
[07:46] <Sharn> Since my PS2 controller plugs into the LPT..
[07:47] <Jester45> i have 2 usb1 from motherboard
[07:47] <Jester45> then 2 usb2's from pci card
[07:47] <Jester45> and the pci card has a tthing in the front of caSE
[07:48] <Sharn> Mine has 2 posts on the front...
[07:48] <Sharn> Along with speaker and mic...
[07:48] <Jester45> lol
[07:49] <Jester45> i connected one of my speaker outs into the mic
[07:49] <Jester45> very fun with teamspeak or other voice im
[07:50] <Sharn> Lmfao
[07:50] <Sharn> Teamspeak won't work on Linux for me...
[07:51] <Jester45> realy?
[07:51] <Sharn> Yeah. =\
[07:51] <Jester45> sorry
[07:51] <Sharn> I think it's got to do with the OSS drivers or soemthing.
[07:51] <Jester45> !seen cellofellow
[07:52] <Sharn> Kindof odd there's no ops in this channel ever.
[07:52] <Jester45> there are
[07:52] <Sharn> Not when I'm on. :O At least that have op set.
[07:53] <Jester45> crimsun: is a op and gnomefreak might be one PuMpErNiCkLemight be one also
[07:53] <Jester45> they dont stay oped because it interfers wth ChanServ
[07:53] <Jester45> somehow
[07:54] <Sharn> Orly? Swiftirc ftw.
[07:54] <Jester45> so they op themelves then de op after they are done
[07:56] <Jester45> anyone know how to setup a blog?
[07:56] <Jester45> on apache2
[07:59] <Sharn> Just get a blog software...
[08:03] <Stu_2> Hi everyone.. silly question #1... the installation for xubuntu never prompted me for a root password.. just "[my]  name" and a password, presumeably for a user account.  Did I miss something ?
[08:05] <Sharn> Stu_2: Nope, the isntall doesn't ask for root password. I think "sudo passwd root" should let you set one.
[08:05] <Sharn> And Jester45, wordpress is probably the best known blog program: http://wordpress.org/
[08:05] <Stu_2> ah, ok.. seemed unusual compared to previous distros I've tried to install.  Thanks!
[08:05] <Jester45> ok
[08:06] <Jester45> thasnks
[08:06] <grazie> Stu_2: but most people don't need a root account
[08:06] <Jester45> its defualt to the user's pas but you can change that
[08:06] <Stu_2> grazie: does sudo not normally require a seperate root password configured ?
[08:07] <Sharn> No. Sudo requires the password you set there. And I use sudo all the time.
[08:07] <Sharn> The password didn't default to mine when I first isntalled, either.
[08:08] <Sharn> installed*
[08:08] <Stu_2> hm... I must not really understand what sudo does as opposed to su->enter root pass, continue.  I'll take a look into it
[08:09] <Sharn> Stu_2: Sudo simply lets you use root for one command. Su will keep you as root until you type exit or close the terminal
[08:09] <Stu_2> ahhh
[08:09] <grazie> Stu_2: as Sharn says. The root account is almost always never needed!
[08:09] <Sharn> Uhhhh. I said I'm always using it. :P
[08:10] <Stu_2> I see... so the account I build upon installation already has permissions to define anything necessary for sudo to then grant me what would normally be root access?
[08:10] <grazie> Sharn: yes, but you don't need it
[08:11] <Stu_2> grazie: In a different context, you're just saying that I won't need more privelege than the user account I created upon installation already has?
[08:11] <Stu_2> privelage*
[08:11] <Sharn> A normal user wouldn't...
[08:11] <grazie> Stu_2: ye
[08:11] <Stu_2> so I'll be able to edit /etc/hosts, install packages, etc, without ever needing more access ?
[08:11] <Sharn> If you like to tweak and stuff you'll need sudo a lot. And sudo just logs you into root.
[08:12] <Sharn> Nope. You need the root password for those.
[08:12] <Stu_2> I see..
[08:12] <Sharn> At least.. I do. I think.
[08:13] <Sharn> Anyway, doesn't matter. If you're root password set ok, no biggy.
[08:13] <grazie> Sharn: no you don't need the root account. sudo gives you almost everthing su does
[08:13] <Sharn> Yeah... sudo IS using the root account though.
[08:14] <Sharn> Just only for one command.
[08:14] <Sharn> su just keeps you logged in as root in that terminal.
[08:14] <Sharn> Whereas sudo only logs you in for one command.
[08:14] <grazie> Sharn: no sudo gives you temp admin privs..,it's subtle but it is different
[08:15] <Stu_2> cool deal.. so just set the root pass when I get in, so I can use sudo as necessary... think I can handle that.
[08:15] <Sharn> Meh. Ok.
[08:15] <grazie> Stu_2: no. it's good not having the root account set!
[08:15] <Stu_2> ah.. from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo -- "By default, the root account is locked in Ubuntu. This means you cannot login as root or use su. Instead, the installer will setup sudo to allow the user that is created during install to run all adm
[08:16] <grazie> Stu_2: exactly
[08:16] <Stu_2> silly irc client didn't paste it all..
[08:16] <Stu_2> regardless, the user account I created, should have access to do whatever I'd like
[08:16] <Stu_2> unless I'm misinterpreting that
[08:16] <grazie> Stu_2: almost yes
[08:16] <Sharn> With sudo you can do anything root can, I believe.
[08:17] <Sharn> !sudo
[08:17] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:17] <Sharn> Boomp
[08:29] <hyper_ch> hiho, is it somehow possible to run ssh on a different port? or rather have two ssh servers running on different ports?
[08:31] <Sharn> It may be...
[08:32] <Sharn> man ssh
[08:32] <Sharn> In terminal, of course.
[08:34] <Stu_2> hyper_ch -- there is a port option in openssh... edit wherever your config file is.. /etc/ssh/ssh_config perhaps...
[08:38] <hyper_ch> Stu_2: but how to run two instances on two ports? Is that possible?
[08:38] <Stu_2> hyper_ch -- I'd say it's certainly possible -- you'd probably need two different ssh daemons, or one referencing two different config files.
[08:39] <hyper_ch> running one instance listening to two ports :) that's possible
[08:40] <hyper_ch> man pages tell so... but give not the syntax for it :9
[08:40] <Sharn> Where would I find my USB camera...?
[08:40] <hyper_ch> anyway, that's good, I'll find out
[08:40] <Stu_2> heh.. dunno.  If you find an answer, please share :-)
[08:40] <Stu_2> (or you might be able to add an addition Port: comment in the config... <shrug>
[08:41] <hyper_ch> Stu_2: I will... you see, I make daily backups through rsycn / ssh on (one) of my servers... and I don't want to overkill the connection (as I do now) so I thought I might limit one port it runs on :)
[08:41] <Stu_2> heh.. gotcha.  Best of luck :-)
[08:42] <superkirbyartist> I am having issues with splash screen.
[08:43] <hyper_ch> Stu_2: what would be a good port for sshd?
[08:44] <hyper_ch> I have no clue what defaults are used :) 20/21 is ftp
[08:44] <Sharn> Close to the normal one
[08:44] <hyper_ch> then there's printer on 60
[08:44] <Stu_2> if you never want to use telnet, use 23 as well
[08:44] <hyper_ch> is 23 used by something important service?
[08:44] <Stu_2> telnet
[08:44] <hyper_ch> telnet is normally 23? well, then I use that
[08:44] <hyper_ch> I think I have deactivated telnet
[08:44] <Stu_2> and if you're going to stick with ssh, I'd think you could steal it with no probs
[08:44] <Sharn> Good idea. :)
[08:45] <hyper_ch> can I actually remove the telnet package?
[08:46] <Sharn> Meh. I'll be back later. bye
[08:50] <hyper_ch> hmmm
[09:00] <knight> what should I install for wifi in xubuntu
[09:00] <knight> can I Still use Network manager
[09:00] <hyper__ch> I don't have anything installed
[09:00] <hyper__ch> well, nothing additional
[09:00] <knight> what do you us
[09:00] <hyper__ch> Stu_2: it works like a charm
[09:01] <hyper__ch> knight: the default thing provided by xubuntu
[09:01] <knight> use?
[09:01] <knight> oh ok
[09:01] <knight> it does not scan the wireless
[09:01] <hyper__ch> Stu_2: open the /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[09:01] <hyper__ch> Stu_2: at the very beginning you have a Port 22 entry
[09:01] <hyper__ch> just add below other port
[09:01] <hyper__ch> and restart it :)
[09:02] <hyper__ch> knight: why do you want to scan for wifi networks?
[09:02] <superkirbyartist> The splash screen is dim and displaying at the wrong resolution.  Can someone help me please?
[09:02] <knight> I used to ust network manager
[09:02] <hyper__ch> superkirbyartist: only the splash screen?
[09:03] <knight> and I an constantly moving
[09:03] <knight> to different office
[09:04] <knight> I use different passwords to evrery wifi
[09:04] <hyper__ch> you can scan it from the command line
[09:04] <hyper__ch> well, you could also install that gnome wifi manager applet thing but I don't know if that breaks anything
[09:04] <knight> oh ok
[09:04] <knight> which one is that
[09:04] <hyper__ch> I don't know
[09:04] <hyper__ch> open adept or synaptic
[09:04] <hyper__ch> and search for it
[09:05] <knight> oh ok
[09:05] <knight> I am having an error on apt-get
[09:05] <knight> it says
[09:06] <knight> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[09:06] <hyper__ch> you need to sudo it
[09:06] <knight> i did
[09:07] <knight> and used the password wih it
[09:07] <hyper__ch> then you have adept or synaptic open
[09:08] <knight> nope
[09:08] <knight> they are closed
[09:08] <knight> I am trying to open synaptic and nothing is working
[09:08] <superkirbyartist> hyper_ch: Yes, the startup and shutdown screen.
[09:08] <hyper__ch> superkirbyartist: the rest runs fine?
[09:09] <superkirbyartist> Oh yeah, I can start the computer and stuff.
[09:09] <superkirbyartist> I am using it right now.
[09:09] <hyper__ch> knight, please pastebin:   ps aux | grep dpkg
[09:09] <hyper__ch> superkirbyartist: but once it is started, resolution is fine?
[09:10] <superkirbyartist> hyper_ch: Yes, everything is bright and at 800*600.  I am using Xchat on it.
[09:11] <hyper__ch> so what is the problem?
[09:12] <superkirbyartist> hyper__ch: It is very hard to see the startup screen.  It is very dim, if one looks too fast, it might seem like a black screen.  Also, it's not centered properly.
[09:12] <Maximilian1st> Hi folks.
[09:13] <hyper__ch> superkirbyartist: replace the startup screen then with something else
[09:13] <superkirbyartist> Hi Max.
[09:13] <superkirbyartist> How do we do that, hyper__ch?
[09:13] <Maximilian1st> I have a problem with my user interface. I use French as my main language and all is well translated but the close, help and so on buttons.
[09:13] <Maximilian1st> These are controlled by GTK2
[09:13] <Maximilian1st> hi superkirbyartist
[09:14] <superkirbyartist> Max, I have the exact same problem.
[09:14] <superkirbyartist> The menus, etc. aren't translated.
[09:14] <Maximilian1st> You use what language?
[09:14] <hyper__ch> applications --> system --> login window (maybe)
[09:14] <Maximilian1st> or, what language do you use ;-p
[09:14] <superkirbyartist> Maximilian1st: It's 50% english 50% french Xubuntu laptop.
[09:14] <Maximilian1st> Zut
[09:15] <Maximilian1st> Could you join in  #xfce-fr?
[09:15] <hyper__ch> est-ce que a exist? Des mots franais pour "fermer", "aider" ... ? ^^
[09:15] <Maximilian1st> You funny swiss guy. :-)
[09:17] <superkirbyartist> hyper__ch vous n'avez pas raison.
[09:18] <hyper__ch> J'ai toujours raison :) C'est mon profession  avoir de raison :)
[09:19] <superkirbyartist> hyper__ch je ne parle pas du login screen je parle de ce qui vient avant.
[09:20] <kalikiana> bonjour, mes dammes et messieurs, c'est le canal francais, oui?
[09:20] <hyper__ch> c'est important ce qu'il a l?
[09:20] <hyper__ch> Maximilian1st: you do speak french, right?
[09:20] <Maximilian1st> kalikiana, ;-p
[09:20] <Jester45> bonjur
[09:20] <Jester45> or how ever you spell it
[09:21] <Jester45> im 200% english
[09:21] <Maximilian1st> For french Xfce join #xfce-fr, sorry for the english users.
[09:21] <superkirbyartist> hyper_ch oui ca pourrait l'etre.
[09:21] <Maximilian1st> You joined the right channel.
[09:22] <hyper_ch> hmmm
[09:22] <kalikiana> I don't mind french to some extend, but I consider it unpolite to those who don't understand it.
[09:22] <Jester45> i tried some spanish but said "why waste my time when they could learn the far harder language english"
[09:23] <superkirbyartist> !libsexy
[09:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libsexy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:24] <kalikiana> Jester45, so your motto is just "Everyone after me, I'm the last one!" :P
[09:24] <Jester45> i guess
[09:24] <habtool> I have been using Ubuntu fulltime since 6.04 and have now tried Xubuntu for the first time. WOW, is XFCE so cool! A real hidden Gem. Well done to all involved with Xubuntu, very neat indeed
[09:24] <Jester45> or better yet me first
[09:24] <Jester45> you mean 6.06 right?
[09:24] <superkirbyartist> Que fait le fichier libsexy?
[09:25] <habtool> Dapper
[09:25] <Jester45> yes 6.06 but welcome to xubuntu
[09:25] <kalikiana> habtool, it's nice to hear that since we're all xfce fans :D
[09:25] <hyper__ch> xubuntu is great
[09:25] <habtool> Thanks, really like it! :)
[09:25] <Jester45> better version of ubuntu and better is\rc channel
[09:25] <Jester45> irc*
[09:25] <habtool> :)
[09:26] <Jester45> habtool: im not sure if you figured this out but, xubuntu can use gnome and kde apps
[09:26] <habtool> my PC is fast enough for Gnome and KDE, but XFCE is just so nice. Thanks to Dream Linux for letting me find XFCE
[09:27] <hyper__ch> I run quite a bit of kde apps :)
[09:27] <Jester45> i figured that sence you been using ubuntu but just telling
[09:27] <Jester45> hyper__ch: me 2 :0
[09:27] <habtool> Yes, Jester45, thanks i have amarok, akregator and gnomebaker install amoungst others
[09:27] <kalikiana> habtool, that is my story actually ;) but i never really used gnome longer than few days
[09:28] <kalikiana> dreamlinux looks very cool, but it is missing consistency to me and not everything worked together :/
[09:28] <habtool> I tired Kubuntu, but i cant say way, but it does not do it for me, PClinuxos does a much better job with KDE. But that maybe personal view so dont shoot me :)
[09:29] <Dany700> hi to everybody
[09:29] <hyper__ch> hmmm, amarok, k3b, konqueror, kate, konversation, kontact, krdc, krfb, kopete
[09:29] <kalikiana> hi Dany7000 :)
[09:29] <Dany700> can someone tell me which is the default root password when running xubuntu live cd?
[09:30] <hyper__ch> btw, anyone has a list of P2P protocols and what ports they use?
[09:30] <habtool> kalikiana, i agree DL is very nice looking, but i also found it broke a bit too easy, maybe as they linking directly to debian (or maybe not) but DOES look very NICE
[09:30] <Dany700> hi kalikiana ;)
[09:30] <Jester45> a full kubuntu is to bloated for me i dont mine installing KDE apps i just dont want 10 text editors by default right now i have scite mousepad and vim
[09:30] <Jester45> Dany700: i dont think there is
[09:31] <hyper__ch> Jester45: kate is really nice :)
[09:31] <Dany700> jester: i need it to mount floppy in write mode
[09:31] <Jester45> hyper__ch: i can help you but most p2p apps start default with random ports
[09:31] <kalikiana> Dany700, ubuntu in general doesn't have a root password by default and should not
[09:31] <hyper__ch> and with konqueror you can open remote locations through ssh (or rather fish)
[09:31] <habtool> i ried kateos and zenwalk yesterday, but the Ubuntu repos just cant be beat :)
[09:31] <Dany700> leaving it blank, it says "sorry"
[09:31] <kalikiana> Dany700, use 'sudo'
[09:31] <habtool> tired
[09:31] <hyper__ch> Jester45: I just try to put the P2P appz into my wifi router as "bulk" priority...
[09:32] <Dany700> kalikiana ok
[09:32] <Jester45> hyper__ch: you can do that with thunar ssh ftp http shttp sftp
[09:32] <Dany700> kalikiana can i ask you a question?
[09:32] <hyper__ch> Jester45: what's the difference between ssh and sftp?
[09:32] <kalikiana> Dany700, just ask :)
[09:32] <hyper__ch> Jester45: I like konqueror that much because it can be multi-pane :)
[09:32] <hyper__ch> no need for gnome commander
[09:33] <hyper__ch> or kcommander
[09:33] <Jester45> hyper__ch: well open the apps and define the ports they dont need a certian port  Ex: torrent= 7000 gnutela-7001 and so on
[09:33] <hyper__ch> Jester45: you're familiar with DD-WRT firmware?
[09:33] <Dany700> i do this: sudo mount /dev/fd0 but it is in read only mode... what have i to do for write mode?
[09:33] <Dany700> kali: sorry for my bad english, but i'm from italy
[09:34] <Jester45> hyper__ch: nope what is it
[09:34] <hyper__ch> Jester45: just a modified firmware for the linkysys 54gl router
[09:34] <hyper__ch> Jester45: what I like is to be able to adjust the output power and making use of dyndns services like dyndns.org and no-ip.com
[09:35] <Jester45> Dany700: theres a foreign exchange student from italy that lives in my subdivision she pretty hot
[09:35] <hyper__ch> Jester45: you should have read the newspaper here 2 days ago
[09:36] <Dany700> eheh i'm glad you like our girls eheh ;)
[09:36] <habtool> as a matter of interest, is XFCE as active a project as Gnome and KDE, IE every year is the a lot of improvement in XFCE?
[09:36] <hyper__ch> according to a research italian girls have the smallest boobs in europe... then comes switzerland with the second smalles and in average british girls have the largest
[09:36] <Jester45> habtool: yes
[09:36] <Dany700> hyper boobs are?
[09:36] <habtool> Jester45, cool :) cant wait to see how this pans out, just mad about it :)
[09:36] <Dany700> ass? :)
[09:36] <hyper__ch> although I remember from my exchange year in Down Under.. there was Sarah and Gemma... they were both attractive
[09:36] <Jester45> british do seem to have the biggest but... have to look at the face also
[09:37] <hyper__ch> Dany700: nope, not ass... boobs = breasts = tits
[09:37] <Dany700> ahh tits ok ;)
[09:37] <Jester45> lol
[09:37] <Dany700> eheh ;)
[09:37] <Jester45> upper part of the body
[09:37] <Jester45> hyper__ch: her boobs arnt small
[09:38] <hyper__ch> Jester45: in average :)
[09:38] <hyper__ch> Dany700: what0s that exactly? /dev/fd0? is that the floppy drive?
[09:38] <drx0drx> hello, can anyone help me fix a dual-boot problem that happened after installing Windows?
[09:38] <Dany700> hyper little boobs are not bad :p i like little boobs, but they must be nice
[09:39] <Dany700> hyper yes fd is the floppy
[09:39] <hyper__ch> drx0drx: let me guess... after installing windows grub vanished and you can only boot into windows?
[09:39] <Maximilian1st> drx0drx, sorry there are very important discussions here.
[09:39] <Jester45> maybe this should be talked about in #xubuntu-offtopic
[09:39] <drx0drx> hyper__ch, more or less
[09:39] <Jester45> drx0drx: installed windows then linux
[09:39] <Dany700> hyper
[09:39] <Maximilian1st> I guess drx0drx installed linux and then windows.
[09:40] <hyper__ch> Dany700: I have this in my   /etc/fstab -->     /dev/           /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[09:40] <hyper__ch> drx0drx: you need to reinstall grub
[09:40] <Jester45> drx0drx: windows over writes grub if its installed 2nd
[09:40] <hyper__ch> drx0drx: boot from the x/k/ubuntu cd
[09:40] <Dany700> ahh so i need to run mount as root user?
[09:40] <Maximilian1st> Would a boot with the live CD be a good idea for drx0drx ?
[09:40] <kalikiana> Dany700, I don't have a floppy drive, but you may add hyper's line and run 'sudo mount -a' :)
[09:40] <drx0drx> hyper__ch, doing that now...
[09:40] <hyper__ch> and go in recovery mode or something...
[09:40] <hyper__ch> drx0drx: at some stage you should then be asked to have grub reinstalled
[09:40] <Dany700> can you write me the exact code to use in the terminal?
[09:41] <hyper__ch> do that and afterwards you have dual booting again
[09:41] <hyper__ch> drx0drx: I don't know the exact steps as I haven't done it before
[09:41] <Dany700> kalikiana, i'm using a live cd
[09:41] <hyper__ch> Dany700: well, my entry is in my fstab... so that gets mounted at boot-up
[09:42] <hyper__ch> ah, live cd... uff.... no clue :)
[09:42] <kalikiana> Dany700, oh, then forget that idea.. there is a panel plugin if that helps? :)
[09:42] <kalikiana> Dany700, sry, I'm too much used to fstab contrary to mount as-is
[09:43] <hyper__ch> kalikiana: I'm also used to fstab only except for mounting an iso :)
[09:43] <drx0drx> hyper__ch, btw, I have 2 SATA drives, Linux is on the first one and Windows on the second, and I printed out my gpartd screens before upgrading Vista
[09:43] <Jester45> im used to double clicking the icon
[09:43] <kalikiana> hyper__ch, now I'm enlightened to hear that from somebody else than me *G
[09:44] <Dany700> hyper thanks anyway ;) kalikiana i can't run it from the panel... i know there a command to use with mount, but i don't know the exactly code to run mount with su privileges
[09:44] <Jester45> sudo?
[09:44] <Dany700> *there is
[09:45] <Dany700> no, it's like mount uid:0 or something
[09:46] <kalikiana> Dany700, usually 'sudo mount ...' works fine, apart from my limited experience there
[09:46] <kalikiana> Dany700, you ought to have a panel plugin which mounts the available drives
[09:46] <habtool> Anyone know why spellcheck is not working on Xchat on my Xubuntu install? Do i need to install something extra?
[09:46] <Jester45> why not just use the disks manager?
[09:47] <Maximilian1st> habtool, what language do you use?
[09:47] <habtool> english
[09:47] <Maximilian1st> It does work for me here though. You must be missing some package...
[09:48] <Dany700> when i go to file system, i see fd but when i try to enter, it says: what application would you use to open...
[09:48] <Dany700> kali, sorry but i'm a really newbie in linux, i can't understand which panel you mean
[09:48] <Jester45> or Maximilian1st you just tink its working
[09:48] <drx0drx> hyper__ch, does this take this long (it's been on Mounting root file system... a long time)
[09:50] <hyper__ch> drx0drx: never used the recovery, so I can't tell
[09:50] <Maximilian1st> It does work here in french and did work in english the other day...
[09:50] <drx0drx> hyper__ch, trying a different DVD drive...
[09:51] <Dany700> i think i've find the code: sudo mount -t vfat -o uid=1000,gid=100,rw /mnt/floppy
[09:52] <Dany700> is it correct, isn't it? :)
[09:52] <hyper__ch> drx0drx: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-24113.html
[09:52] <Dany700> (without /mnt/floppy)
[09:52] <hyper__ch> Dany700: no clue
[09:53] <Dany700> hyper :)
[09:53] <drx0drx> hyper__ch, OK, it was b/c I have a SATA regular & compatible mode in my BIOS & it was compatible when I installed Linux but I changed it for Vista install... it's loading up now...
[09:53] <hyper__ch> sei di Milano Dany?
[09:53] <Dany700> s :)
[09:54] <hyper__ch> drx0drx: how dare you using this evil word V***a
[09:54] <hyper__ch> cognosci Sarah Di Fresco?
[09:54] <drx0drx> hyper__ch, btw, we can hose Vista if we have to but I don't want to lose Linux
[09:54] <Dany700> hyper ma sei italiano?
[09:54] <Dany700> no, i'm sorry hyper
[09:54] <drx0drx> hyper__ch, (but I need evil Vista in the end b/c some SW is only Windows)
[09:54] <hyper__ch> drx0drx: why did you want to install Vista???
[09:55] <hyper__ch> Dany700: no, sono Svizzero tedesco
[09:55] <drx0drx> hyper__ch, OK, at Live CD desktop
[09:55] <Dany700> ah ok
[09:55] <Maximilian1st> Ma, sai quante persone vivono  Milano?? 8-|
[09:55] <hyper__ch> Maximilian1st: 5-6 persone?
[09:55] <Dany700> o.O ehi ma  pieno di italiani qui? :)
[09:55] <hyper__ch> *smile*
[09:55] <Dany700> eheh
[09:55] <Maximilian1st> ;-p
[09:56] <drx0drx> hyper__ch, btw, right now my Second hard drive is set first in the boot order (in order to boot Vista) b/c Linux wouldn't boot when first drive set first in boot order.
[09:56] <drx0drx> do i need to put things back in the bios exactly as they were before to prevent losing something?
[09:56] <Dany700> hyper dove abiti, vicino lugano?
[09:56] <hyper__ch> drx0drx: doesn't matter... just let grub install into the master boot record
[09:57] <hyper__ch> drx0drx: at least that's what I think... in my optinion it doesn't matter
[09:57] <drx0drx> OK, but won't it install on drive 1 even tho Linux is on drive 2?
[09:57] <hyper__ch> Dany700: no, abito  San Gallo... vicino di lago constanze(?)
[09:57] <drx0drx> oddly, right now Gparted only sees Drive 1 (Linux) and not Drive 2 (evil Vista)
[09:58] <hyper__ch> drx0drx: no clue :(
[09:58] <hyper__ch> see, billy boy did evil things to your computer
[09:59] <drx0drx> do you know how to update GRUB on drive 1 so it will boot Linux on drive 1 and Vista on drive 2?
[09:59] <hyper__ch> hmmm
[09:59] <hyper__ch> drx0drx: grub should recognize all the installed OS and make boot entries... it doesn't matter on what drive which os is installed
[09:59] <hyper__ch> it only matters for windows...
[10:00] <hyper__ch> at least that's how far I understand all of it :) I'm far from being an all-knowing guru
[10:00] <drx0drx> does it matter that GPARTED doesn't see Windows right now?  should I play with the BIOS settings so LiveCD sees both drives first?
[10:00] <Dany700> hyper ah ok san gallo
[10:01] <hyper__ch> it should see the windows drive/partition... that is indeed odd...
[10:01] <drx0drx> also, I just reinstalled Vista so I can install it again (no software installed yet, no data) if that makes things easier
[10:01] <hyper__ch> maybe switch and test that way
[10:01] <drx0drx> let me check the bios settings again, it was very temperamental the first time I set it up (without compatibility mode I got nowhere installing either OS)
[10:02] <hyper__ch> when you boot the computer it sees both drives? I mean the bios recognizes both drives?
[10:03] <drx0drx> yes
[10:03] <Dany700> i'm going now, thanks to everybody for help!!
[10:03] <hyper__ch> Dany700: is the proper name of Lake Constance in italian: lago di constance?
[10:03] <hyper__ch> drx0drx: indeed odd, that gparted doesn't see both drives then
[10:03] <Dany700> hyper: ma tu intendi se io abito l vicino?
[10:03] <drx0drx> it always did but there the installation CDs couldn't install on the SATA drives until I enabled compatibility mode and PATA vs SATA
[10:04] <hyper__ch> drx0drx: maybe you better ask at #kubuntu or #ubuntu --> there are some gurus there :) for me it just works fine :)
[10:04] <Dany700> hyper: cmq lago di costanza non l'ho mai sentito :)
[10:04] <hyper__ch> Dany700: no capsico "ma tu intendi se io abito li vicino"
[10:05] <hyper__ch> welcome back Seveas
[10:06] <Dany700> hyper what do you mean whit this lake? you mean is a lake near you or near me?
[10:06] <Dany700> i've never headr that lake before... anyway i know san gallo
[10:06] <hyper__ch> Lake Constance is nearby St. Gallen :)
[10:06] <Dany700> *heard
[10:06] <Dany700> ah ok :)
[10:07] <hyper__ch> I thought Lake constance would be better known than San Gallo :)
[10:07] <Dany700> no no it's the contrary eheh :)
[10:07] <hyper__ch> Milano --> Universit di Bocconi :)
[10:07] <Dany700> :)
[10:08] <hyper__ch> Italy's most renowned Business School if I am not mistaken
[10:08] <Dany700> more exactly i live most near "Monza" that is a minor city near milano
[10:08] <hyper__ch> La Monza :)
[10:08] <hyper__ch> Ferrari originates from Monza, right?
[10:08] <Maximilian1st> Monza F1
[10:08] <Dany700> yes :)
[10:08] <hyper__ch> got a spare ferrari for me?
[10:08] <hyper__ch> ;)
[10:09] <Dany700> eheheh hard to find :p
[10:09] <Maximilian1st> a spare part maybe... ;-p
[10:09] <hyper__ch> :(
[10:09] <Dany700> eheh :)
[10:09] <hyper__ch> too bad
[10:09] <hyper__ch> anyway, I gotta go watch some tv now
[10:09] <Dany700> hyper
[10:09] <Maximilian1st> wow...
[10:09] <Dany700> ferrari is from Maranello
[10:09] <hyper__ch> Dany700: yes?
[10:10] <Dany700> monza is the place where F1 runs
[10:10] <hyper__ch> oh, it is? I thought it's from Monza... :) well, my mistake :)
[10:10] <Dany700> hyper: no problem, dont' worry ;)
[10:10] <hyper__ch> I don't like Valentine's day
[10:11] <Dany700> hyper my girlfrines lives near lugano
[10:11] <Dany700> *friend
[10:11] <hyper__ch> hehehe.... it's not that far... :)
[10:11] <Dany700> yes, about 60km
[10:12] <hyper__ch> mine is about 6000km away :(
[10:12] <Dany700> o.O
[10:12] <Dany700> where is she?
[10:12] <hyper__ch> Ottawa / Canada
[10:12] <Dany700> o.O wow!
[10:12] <Dany700> why have your girlfriend so far?
[10:13] <Dany700> *have you
[10:13] <hyper__ch> hmmm, because she lives there :)
[10:14] <Dany700> but how have you knew her?
[10:14] <Dany700> when do you meet her?
[10:14] <Dany700> i see my girl in the weekend
[10:14] <Dany700> 1weekend yes and 1 not
[10:15] <hyper__ch> well, we talk almost everyday by skype :)
[10:15] <Dany700> we too ;)
[10:15] <Dany700> w skype!!! ;)
[10:15] <hyper__ch> and I use amsn for the webcam :)
[10:15] <hyper__ch> anyway, I'm off now :) cya
[10:16] <Dany700> i don't have the webcam but it cool anyway with skype ;)
[10:16] <Dany700> ok, then see you around ok?
[10:16] <hyper__ch> yeah... I'm here sometimes :)
[10:16] <hyper__ch> well, mostly I'm logged in here but that doesn't mean I'm really here :)
[10:17] <Dany700> goodbye hyper, nice to met you :)
[10:17] <Dany700> eheh ok :)
[10:18] <Dany700> i go now, too... i've to test the floppy mounting ;)
[10:18] <Dany700> goodnight to everybody and thanks for the support
[10:18] <Dany700> bye hyper, see you
[10:19] <Maximilian1st> hyper__ch, do you use your system in english or german?
[10:20] <Maximilian1st> I seem to be missing the translated mo files from gtk.
[10:20] <Maximilian1st> It does not install translated message files at all.
[10:21] <hyper__ch> Maximilian1st: in English
[10:22] <Maximilian1st> schade.
[10:23] <sdac221x_> hi are there different drivers for ATI under linux or is it only fglrx ??  I have fglrx but beryl does not work despite following several guides.
[10:23] <Maximilian1st> Could you check if you have gtk2xxx.mo files in /usr/src/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES?
[10:24] <sdac221x_> Maximilian1st:  was that for me ?
[10:26] <Maximilian1st> oups
[10:26] <Maximilian1st> no sorry, that was for hyper__ch
[10:26] <Maximilian1st> never mind.
[10:30] <Maximilian1st> My battery is running out of power, have to leave.
[10:36] <Jester45> quite
[10:47] <kalikiana> It really is quite in here.
[11:02] <drx0drx> how do you mount /dev/sda1 ?
[11:02] <PuMpErNiCkLe> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /wherever/you/want/it
[11:02] <drx0drx> PuMpErNiCkLe, where might I want it?
[11:02] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You may need to specify filesystem of -t type.
[11:03] <PuMpErNiCkLe> drx0drx: It's your system.  Wherever you want.
[11:03] <drx0drx> PuMpErNiCkLe, it's ext3
[11:03] <drx0drx> PuMpErNiCkLe, for example?
[11:04] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Any empty directory will do.
[11:04] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Any at all.
[11:05] <drx0drx> PuMpErNiCkLe, I used /mnt
[11:05] <drx0drx> PuMpErNiCkLe, now I need to fix my menu.lst file because evil Vista left it broken
[11:05] <PuMpErNiCkLe> That one's just a regular Xubuntu bug.
[11:06] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It happens fairly frequently.
[11:06] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Wait, sorry, wrong menu file.
[11:06] <PuMpErNiCkLe> (I was thinking of the applications menu, not /boot/grub/menu.lst.)
[11:07] <drx0drx> PuMpErNiCkLe, so right now I have 2 drives but bios is set for 1 (can't boot live CD if set for 2), now Linux is sda but I think it may change to sdb when bios reset, what do I change in menu.lst
[11:08] <drx0drx> also, when I try to copy the menu.lst (for backup) it says "Permission denied"
[11:09] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Both drives are sata?
[11:09] <drx0drx> PuMpErNiCkLe, yes
[11:10] <PuMpErNiCkLe> And the primary drive has Linux installed on it, and the secondary will/does have Vista?
[11:11] <drx0drx> PuMpErNiCkLe, I'm not sure which has which.  Previously, Windows was sda and Linux sdb, but I've been messing with the bios to get the Live CD to boot (it will only do this in compatible mode where drive 2 is not present)
[11:12] <drx0drx> PuMpErNiCkLe, in this mode, Linux changes to sda, but when I go back to enhanced mode it *may* be sdb
[11:14] <drx0drx> PuMpErNiCkLe, okay, I backed up the menu.lst via sudo
[11:14] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It labels the drives by their position on the controller.
[11:15] <PuMpErNiCkLe> So if it's the second drive, it would be sdb, but if it's the first, it'll be sda.
[11:15] <drx0drx> PuMpErNiCkLe, when I switch from compatible to enhanced mode, I think it changes position, or maybe I changed their positions in the BIOS
[11:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Or for Grub, 0,0 or 1,0.
[11:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I gotta run, though.
[11:17] <drx0drx> it shows Vista root (hd0,0) (vista drive is presently Not present in BIOS)
[11:17] <drx0drx> it shows Linux root as /dev/sdb1
[11:18] <eddie> hi
[11:19] <eddie> i am trying to rip into mp3 with Sound Extractor and I don't see the MP3 option
[11:19] <eddie> I've got flac ogg wav
[11:30] <drx0drx> anyone know how to repair Vista-trashed GRUB?
[11:31] <maxamillion> drx0drx: lol ... yeah, no .... not at all.... Vista can't even run Java correctly much less dual boot
[11:32] <drx0drx> I had it dual booting, I just had to change some bios settings & load vista first, but then I had to upgrade beta 2 to final release and BYE BYE GRUBBIE!
[11:34] <drx0drx> The trouble is, when push comes to shove, the boss is going to say trash Linux
[11:37] <eddie> anyon please how to have Sound Juicer with MP3?
[11:37] <drx0drx> Actually, the boss already said we don't need Linux.  But he also said if it doesn't take a lot of time to repair, we can keep it.
[11:39] <drx0drx> whew, I think I got it fixed... Linux is booting!
[11:40] <maxamillion> :)
[11:41] <maxamillion> drx0drx: you should write a tutorial, i haven't heard of anyone dual booting linux and vista successfully
[11:42] <eddie> repai grub? Just install it again an override piece of $hit Vi$ta motherfucking bitch
[11:42] <grazie> maxamillion: i don't think he should :)
[11:43] <eddie> sorry I am lil agravated about the mp3 shit not working with xubuntu
[11:44] <drx0drx> maxamillion, oh, yeah, I've been doing it since beta 2 no problem.  Here's the 2-step tutorial:  (1) Install Vista (2) Install Linux
[12:09] <_Dez> I got a Atheros card :)
[12:09] <milkii> hey. Could someone help me out with xubuntu installation on ATI/Amd64 sys?
[12:10] <Jester45> what type of cd? desktop or alternative?
[12:10] <Jester45> whats happening
[12:10] <milkii> its alternate
[12:10] <_Dez> Anyone heard of FON?
[12:10] <milkii> well it keeps stopping
[12:11] <milkii> it shows me some kind of console where i can type anything but nothing happens
[12:11] <Jester45> milkii: are you using the live cd?
[12:11] <milkii> just says kernel loaded
[12:11] <milkii> no
[12:11] <milkii> its alternate
[12:11] <Jester45> ok
[12:12] <Jester45> have you checked cd for defects?
[12:12] <milkii> it hangs up too
[12:12] <milkii> ^^
[12:12] <milkii> burned it second time
[12:12] <Jester45> what about a md5 check of the iso
[12:13] <milkii> hm have to find the checksum (i never did this before)
[12:13] <Jester45> are you sure you have a 64bit processor and the 64bit cd
[12:13] <Jester45> !md5
[12:13] <ubotu> To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[12:14] <milkii> both yes
[12:14] <milkii> thanks
[12:16] <_Dez> i think i use terminal more then anything on linux
[12:16] <Jester45> i have a workspace with 8 of them lined up
[12:17] <_Dez> ;d
[12:18] <milkii> ahm << 1445 of 1445 listed files could not be read xD
[12:18] <_Dez> Is there anyway you can hack a router to give you like wireless card
[12:18] <_Dez> abilitys
[12:18] <milkii> ah didnt place the md5sum oO
[12:19] <Jester45> _Dez: you mean change a wireless router into a wireless card?
[12:20] <Jester45> maybe im not to good with wireless but you could swap the incoming with the outgoing wires
[12:20] <Jester45> i know you can do that with ethernet
[12:20] <grazie> milkii: didn't place? do you mean you cannot find?
[12:21] <milkii> i placed the md5checker in system32 folder of windoof
[12:21] <milkii> and run my cmd
[12:21] <_Dez> I want to put a Router into CLient mode
[12:21] <milkii> and the file failed the check
[12:21] <milkii> the iso failed it i mean
[12:22] <Jester45> milkii: you have to redownload the file
[12:23] <milkii> hm
[12:23] <milkii> but how can it fail in 1445 of 1445
[12:23] <milkii> <<
[12:23] <Jester45> did it say it failed?
[12:24] <milkii> Warning: 1445 of 1445 files could not be read
[12:24] <Jester45> then it failedtry redownloading it if it dosent take to long
[12:25] <grazie> milkii: it doesn't sound like you're using the tool quite correctly. What do you type in?
[12:25] <milkii> only "md5sum -c alternate64.iso" without quotes
[12:26] <milkii> oh
[12:26] <milkii> i think << i see now xD
[12:26] <_Dez> brb im going to hack this router
[12:26] <milkii> omh what the hell did i do :)
[12:27] <grazie> milkii: try ""md5sum -b alternate64.iso"
[12:29] <milkii> ah ^^ yea thats it thanks