[12:32] <cbx33> ping Burgwork
[12:32] <Burgwork> cbx33: pong
[12:32] <cbx33> you at work?
[12:32] <Burgwork> see the nick
[12:54] <LaserJock> cbx33: hi
[12:58] <cbx33> hey Las
[12:58] <ajmitch> hi cbx33
[12:58] <cbx33> hey aj
[12:58] <cbx33> I keep missing the tab button
[01:41] <cstextiles> How can I assign rights to the menu in the Applications menu according to the users in Ubuntu?
[02:24] <LaserJock> cstextiles: how do you mean?
[02:24] <LaserJock> cstextiles: you want to hide the menu?
[02:24] <LaserJock> or have a different menu for each user?
[02:26] <cstextiles> LaserJock: I want to hide the menu according to the user
[02:26] <cstextiles> LaserJock: But may also want to add menu according to the user in short have custom addition or deletion to the users menu according to the rights?
[02:27] <LaserJock> hmm, that's sort of a tough issue
[02:27] <LaserJock> one way is to use sabayon
[02:28] <cstextiles> LaserJock: Does sabayon comes with the Edubuntu CD itself I mean can i install that with that CD itself as my machine does not have Internet?
[02:28] <cstextiles> LaserJock: Does sabayon provide me all the facilities I am asking
[02:34] <LaserJock> cstextiles: I *think* it's on the CD
[02:34] <LaserJock> and it can do much more than the menus
[02:34] <LaserJock> it's a profile editor
[02:34] <LaserJock> so you create a profile, edit the menu, desktop, whatever you like
[02:35] <LaserJock> and assign a user to that profile, and when they login that's what they get
[02:40] <cstextiles> LaserJock: Thanks for the same and let me try Thanks again
[04:43] <mathesis> se ogra
[04:44] <mathesis> how can i watch dvds?
[07:18] <cbx33> pong Burgundavia
[07:18] <cbx33> whooops, i mean ping
[07:21] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[07:23] <cbx33> hey Laser
[07:50] <cbx33> sorry burgundavia....gotta go to work now
[08:55] <Burgundavia> cbx33: sorry, but I really need to sleep
[08:58] <Burgundavia> edubuntugirl: tell cbx33 that I send regrets but am tired
[08:58] <edubuntugirl> Righto, Burgundavia!
[08:59] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: your bot rocks
[09:11] <cbx33> ping Burgundavia
[09:11] <edubuntugirl> cbx33: by the way, Burgundavia told me to tell you 'I send regrets but am tired' 12 minutes and 10 seconds ago (on Thu Feb 15 09:59:08 2007)
[09:13] <Burgundavia> I am off to bed
[09:13] <Burgundavia> valentines and all that
[09:14] <cbx33> yeh, sure
[09:14] <cbx33> I did come on earlier
[09:14] <cbx33> but you weren't around
[09:14] <cbx33> I was sat up in bed
[09:14] <cbx33> with my pocketpc
[09:15] <cbx33> wanna try for tomorrow?
[09:15] <cbx33> I'll try and get up early like today
[09:15] <Burgundavia> yep, that should work
[09:15] <Burgundavia> I was off at Valentines dinner
[09:15] <cbx33> but if I don't manage to get up ealy enough we'll say same time
[09:15] <cbx33> did you have a good valentines?
[09:15] <cbx33> yeh we did that too
[09:16] <cbx33> and went to cinema to see Hot Fuzz
[09:16] <cbx33> great flim
[09:17] <highvoltage> sounds like a porno movie.
[09:29] <cbx33> ehe
[09:33] <edubuntugirl> oO
[09:33] <edubuntugirl> oO
[10:36] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: tell LaserJock http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/14/2129208&from=rss
[10:36] <edubuntugirl> Righto, highvoltage!
[10:40] <TeePOG> morning everyone
[10:42] <juliux> morning
[10:51] <TeePOG> seems everyone is hard at work on edubuntu :-D
[10:52] <TeePOG> or are they just idling/
[10:52] <TeePOG> ?
[10:56] <`VL> Hello. Where can i see the list of software in edubuntu? Is there scilab included?
[11:04] <jbrefort> `VL, http://packages.ubuntu.com
[11:04] <jbrefort> scilab is 4.0 in edgy
[12:13] <rodarvus> good morning
[12:15] <RichEd> hi rodarvus
[12:15] <rodarvus> hey RichEd
[12:19] <jsgotangco> hello
[12:19] <juliux> hi jsgotangco
[02:17] <highvoltage> TeePOG: yes, I am!
[02:17] <highvoltage> sorry, just left as I got your message
[02:17] <TeePOG> oh, thought you didn't want to be reconnised by groupies ^.^
[02:17] <highvoltage> heh
[03:40] <jsgotangco> CGI:IRC? heh, he's in a browser
[03:40] <TeePOG> well, some people have restrictive firewalls
[03:41] <jsgotangco> yeah i have that one at work too
[03:41] <jsgotangco> sucks so much
[03:43] <TeePOG> personally, even if I don't allow IRC for my users, I need it myself
[03:43] <TeePOG> mainly for tech help
[03:47] <jsgotangco> yes
[03:48] <TeePOG> so it's good that i normally end up as the firewall admin ~_^
[04:18] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:23] <TeePOG> afternoon sbalneav
[04:32] <willvdl> woot. ciao all
[04:34] <bddebian> Heya
[05:19] <ElementC> Working on converting our local school board.  They're mostly hooked, with a few (minor) problems.
[05:20] <ElementC> anyway I need advice on customizing a demo liveCD
[05:20] <cstextiles> Limit UserId Login to one LTSP Client.i.e. I require that a particular user can login through only one LTSP Client i.e. Suppose I have a network of 10 PCs then the user can login only from Hardware Machine A and cannot do it from Machine B.Is that possible?
[05:21] <ElementC> feel free to redirect me.
[06:22] <cstextile1> !samba
[06:22] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[06:26] <cstextile1> !mumble
[06:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mumble - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:27] <cstextile1> !profile
[06:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about profile - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:27] <cstextile1> !bash
[06:27] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[06:28] <cstextile1> ogra: I am getting Connection refused error when I am trying to connect to LTSP Client from the Edubuntu Server
[06:29] <ogra> there is nothing running on the client you could connect to, what do you want to do ?
[06:31] <cstextile1> ogra: I had started the Remote Desktop and started the vncviewer 192.168.0.250:0 from the server to connect to the client
[06:32] <ogra> where did you start the vnc server ? in the users session ?
[06:32] <cbx33> ogra, any idea why I keep getting a silly permission denied message when trying to make a branch on LP?
[06:32] <ogra> nope
[06:32] <ogra> do you try to make a TCM branch ?
[06:32] <cbx33> well....that is next on my list
[06:32] <cbx33> once i make a phimage branch
[06:32] <ogra> good ...
[06:32] <cbx33> because it's small and easy
[06:33] <ogra> i was asked yesterday for the TCM source ...
[06:33] <cbx33> ogra, I have my key registered on LP
[06:33] <ogra> cant remember by whom, but i promised to ask you
[06:33] <cbx33> ok I'll do that soon
[06:33] <cbx33> how can i check it's working?
[06:33] <ogra> make a commit :)
[06:34] <ogra> cairo is tricky ...
[06:34] <cbx33> i did bzr push --create-prefix sftp://petesavage@bazaar.launchpad.net/~petesavage/phimage/phimage-devel
[06:34] <cbx33> ogra, did you add my reboot button yet...poke poke
[06:34] <ogra> that should work
[06:34] <cbx33> yeh it doesn't
[06:34] <ogra> not yet ...
[06:34] <cbx33> maybe my ssh setup is wrong
[06:34] <ogra> i'm jus switching the whole UI to cairo
[06:35] <cbx33> what do i need ssh wise
[06:35] <cbx33> my key is present and correct
[06:35] <cstextile1> ogra: Yes I started the server in the users session
[06:35] <ogra> nothing, your sshkey needs to be in your ~/.ssh dir and the public key needs to be on LP
[06:35] <cbx33> that's all done
[06:36] <ogra> cstextile1, well, that starts a vnc server on the edubuntu server ... the user sesssion runs on the server, not on the client
[06:36] <ogra> cbx33, whats the error ?
[06:36] <cbx33> permission denied(publickey)
[06:38] <ogra> is phimage a registered product ?
[06:39] <cbx33> ogra, ok fixed it
[06:39] <cbx33> the ssh leys differed
[06:39] <ogra> aha
[06:39] <cbx33> silly cbx33
[06:40] <cbx33> do you want a new product created for tcm?
[06:40] <ogra> might make sense
[06:41] <cbx33> and shall I grab the source pacakge and upload that as the first branch?
[06:41] <ogra> sounds sane ...
[06:41] <cbx33> ok
[06:43] <cstextile1> ogra: No I go to the LTSP client I start the Remote Desktop over there
[06:43] <cbx33> ogra do we have an edubuntu project registered on lp?
[06:43] <cstextile1> ogra: and then run the vncviewer over the server with the Ip address of the client
[06:44] <ogra> cstextile1, you are logged in on the console on the thi client ?
[06:44] <ogra> cbx33, nope, not beyond the edubuntu packages
[06:44] <cbx33> ok#
[06:45] <ogra> cstextile1, a thin client gui session always runs on the server ... if you are logged in via the gui its the same as if you are logged in locally on the server
[06:45] <ogra> so all you star if you start remote desktop from the gui is a vnc server on the server, not on the client
[06:45] <cbx33> ogra I'm gonna include the debian folder too in the repo
[06:46] <ogra> to start a vnc server on the client you need a vnc server that is started during boot of the client ... not related to your desktop session
[06:46] <cstextile1> ogra: I goto the LTSP client hardware start it with Etherboot floppy and then goto remote desktop and start the Remote Desktop i.e. vino-server then I goto the Server machine start "vncviewer 192.168.0.250:0"
[06:47] <ogra> as i said, that cant work
[06:49] <cbx33> if i have the dsc, orig and diff how do i get it to extract it all agaoin?
[06:49] <cstextile1> How to start the VNC server from the boot of the Ubuntu client i.e. I think by changing .bash_priofile or some type of file. Can you please convey me the path of that file as well as the command as If i type vino-server it start the GUI asking all the options of the Remote Desktop so someway to start the VNC server without popping the Remote Desktop
[06:49] <cstextile1> ogra: How to start the VNC server from the boot of the Ubuntu client i.e. I think by changing .bash_priofile or some type of file. Can you please convey me the path of that file as well as the command as If i type vino-server it start the GUI asking all the options of the Remote Desktop so someway to start the VNC server without popping the Remote Desktop
[06:50] <cbx33> nm
[06:50] <cbx33> got it
[06:52] <ogra> cstextile1, you need to create an initscript for the vnc server in the client chroot in /opt/ltsp/<arch>
[06:52] <ogra> and install vnc server software
[06:53] <cstextile1> Is vino-server same as vnc server?
[06:53] <ogra> no
[06:53] <ogra> vino-server uses vnc server, but is a gnome ap that needs gnome around
[06:53] <cstextile1> ok so that means if i have vino server installed it already has vnc server installed
[06:54] <cbx33> ogra, all done
[06:55] <ogra> cstextile1, the on the edubuntu server, yes, but not in the client environment in /opt/ltsp/<arch<
[06:56] <cstextile1> ok so u mean initially a minimal linux is installed and we have to change that particular linux to support vnc-server
[06:56] <ogra> right
[06:57] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
[06:57] <cbx33> ogra, howz that coming by the way
[06:57] <ogra> makes you root inside the clietn envronment on the server
[06:57] <cbx33> ogra, are you going to branch from my branch now?
[06:57] <ogra> cbx33, i slept about 8h the last three days, i havent had time for vnc yet ... herd4 prepearation took a lot
[06:58] <cstextile1> Ok Now I am getting you. But is that also Ubuntu Linux or syslinux and how to install vnc server over that I mean as there are no Ubuntu packages involved?
[06:58] <ogra> cbx33, yeps
[06:58] <cbx33> ogra, that's find
[06:58] <ogra> cstextile1, syslinux is a bootloader ...
[06:58] <ogra> the chroot in /opt/ltsp/i386 is a cut down ubuntu ...
[06:58] <cstextile1> ogra: How to install vnc server over that minimal linux?
[06:59] <ogra> and indeed includes syslinux to boot PXE :)
[06:59] <ogra> as i said above, become root in there, then you can use apt like on a normal system ... changes will show up on all running clients immediately
[07:04] <cstextile1> ogra: I am a newbie type in Linux so sorry if i ask silly questions. first start up a terminal in server then use chroot in /opt/ltsp/i386 to change the root directory and then use apt command is that what you are saying? This will install vnc-server in that partcular Linux and then i can modify to start the vnc server package
[07:05] <ogra> right
[07:05] <ogra> all you do during the chrooted session will change the client environment ...
[07:05] <ogra> you can leave it with "exit" or by hitting ctrl-d
[07:06] <cstextile1> will that chroot command only affect that terminal i.e. displaying /opt/ltsp/i386 folder as /?
[07:06] <ogra> since the client chroot is a normal ubuntu. you can use all commands you are using on the server as well ..
[07:06] <ogra> right
[07:06] <ogra>  /opt/ltsp/i386 becomes / and you become root inside that environment
[07:08] <cstextile1> can I execute a command suppose some script file which is not located in the /opt/ltsp/i386 folder but in some other folder say /home/user1/app.sh in a way that i do not allow the user to look into the shell file but can execute the same?
[07:09] <ogra> thats something you would do on the server, the client doesnt know any users
[07:12] <cstextile1> ogra: What I require to convey is that the user1 cannot read the app.sh but has a link in the Desktop through which he can execute that file?
[07:14] <ogra> that wont work for shell scripts ...
[07:15] <cstextile1> ogra: can it work for executable?
[07:15] <ogra> a shell needs to be able to read the script ... since the shell runs with the users rights the user needs to be able to read
[07:16] <cstextile1> ogra: I know that logic and was wondering if there was any kind of such facility. But can executable be run like that?
[07:16] <ogra> a shell script is an executable ...
[07:16] <ogra> (or can be)
[07:17] <ogra> you can write a c program and compile it ... the binary wont be readable this easy
[07:18] <ogra> but with scripts you will always need the readability ...
[07:18] <cstextile1> ogra: Ya I know that but the actual probs is that i need to protect Java executables and they can be easily decompiled and so was finding some ways as if there is any way then i could protect java executable
[07:19] <ogra> i guess selinux could do such a thing, but thats beyond my kowledge
[07:19] <cstextile1> !selinux
[07:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about selinux - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:20] <ogra> http://selinux.sourceforge.net/
[07:25] <cstextile1> ogra: Thanks for the link
[07:27] <cstextile1> ogra: Reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SELinux
[07:48] <Burgwork> Laser_away: are you aware of http://www.kdau.com/projects/gelemental/
[07:52] <ogra> looks like gperiodic
[08:05] <Laser_away> Burgwork: yes
[08:06] <LaserJock> ogra: it is in fact, a restart of gperiodic
[08:06] <edubuntugirl> LaserJock: by the way, highvoltage told me to tell you 'http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/14/2129208&from=rss' 9 hours, 29 minutes and 37 seconds ago (on Thu Feb 15 11:36:43 2007)
[08:10] <LaserJock> ogra, Burgwork: they are using the Blue Obelisk Data Repository, which is a significant improvment over gperiodic
[08:10] <LaserJock> I'd like to get bodr into Universe for Feisty
[08:10] <LaserJock> it's in Debian NEW right now
[08:19] <flippant> hello everyone
[08:20] <flippant> i am having an install issue, can anyone help?
[08:21] <Burgwork> shoot
[08:21] <flippant> installer hangs a7 97% on 2nd phase of install
[08:21] <flippant> low memory mode, pentium pro 200, 10gb disk
[08:22] <flippant> 48mb RAM
[08:22] <flippant> system won't boot upon reset
[08:23] <flippant> last message seen is 'cleaning up...' then hangs
[08:24] <ogra> what do you expect to run on that hardware ?
[08:24] <ogra> a desktop ?
[08:25] <flippant> was trying to install stand alone workstation
[08:25] <flippant> not enough RAM?
[08:25] <ogra> heh
[08:25] <ogra> you should have around 200MB for a standalone workstation
[08:25] <flippant> no NIC so thin client not an option
[08:25] <ogra> 48MB is just enough to load the kernel and half of X
[08:26] <ogra> but for the other half it will already start swapping
[08:26] <flippant> hmm that would be bad, i was hoping that it would have an alternate shell for low mem mode
[08:26] <ogra> you can try with xubuntu ...
[08:26] <flippant> its for a little girl... i was hoping to run tuxpaint
[08:27] <ogra> how long did you wait at the "cleaning up" step ? it takes quite some time, even on my amd64
[08:27] <flippant> overnight
[08:27] <ogra> (you can check with alt-f4)
[08:27] <ogra> oh, ok
[08:27] <flippant> is tuxpaint too much to hope for on 48 ram?
[08:28] <ogra> tuxpaint fulscreen as the only app will surely work ...
[08:28] <ogra> probably even witha small WM
[08:29] <flippant> is it worth the trouble i wonder, i am a linux newbie
[08:29] <pscheie> flippant: check out damn small linux (dsl)
[08:30] <pscheie> I've run it on P75 machines with 16MB RAM
[08:30] <ogra> i think even xubuntu recommends 96M
[08:30] <flippant> alright i will check out DSL
[08:30] <pscheie> not sure if you'll get tuxpaint to work on it though
[08:30] <cbx33> either that or puppy
[08:30] <cbx33> oh no
[08:30] <cbx33> 48Mb RAM
[08:30] <pscheie> puppy wants 128MB
[08:31] <cbx33> well i ran it on 96 :p
[08:31] <cbx33> once
[08:31] <pscheie> runs from ram, very quick
[08:31] <cbx33> oh it's blistering
[08:31] <cbx33> I'd love an ubuntu/puppy crossover
[08:31] <cbx33> do we have a load to ram option on our live cd?
[08:32] <flippant> thanks everyone i will hack at it some more
[08:32] <flippant> i wont give up just yet
[08:32] <cbx33> good flippant
[08:32] <cbx33> :)
[08:33] <flippant> have a good day everyone, later
[09:22] <ogra> http://sinecera.de/ldm_bg_idea.png
[09:22] <ogra> ...
[09:26] <cbx33> ogra, I'm getting grilled in launchpad...hehe
[09:26] <cbx33> :p
[09:26] <cbx33> providing feedback...as i cocked up the tcm page ;)
[09:31] <cbx33> ogra, me is a little unsure of the red outline
[09:31] <cbx33> makes it hard to read
[09:33] <ogra> hmm, i like it ... it makes it so nicely attached to the background ...
[09:34] <ogra> as if it would grow in it
[09:34] <ogra> but i can ask kwwii to make some variations
[09:35] <LaserJock> it looks like "Flaming Feisty Edubuntu" to me :-)
[09:35] <cbx33> can we try a white glow?
[09:36] <ogra> cbx33, am i in the artteam ? :P
[09:36] <cbx33> well it's the first I've seen of it
[09:37] <ogra> i just asked for a cropped version of the new usplash logo ... seems that animated him to play around :)
[09:39] <cbx33> ahh i see
[09:44] <Petaris> Hi all
[09:45] <cbx33> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuArtwork/Palette
[09:47] <Petaris> ogra: I just did a fresh install of edubuntu and am installing the LDAP client components listed in that how-to you pointed me too but I can't find libpam-ldap, libnss-ldap, or nscd
[09:47] <Petaris> is there some other repo other then the defaults I have to point to in order to get those packages?
[09:47] <ogra> universe ...
[09:47] <Petaris> ahh
[09:47] <Petaris> ok
[09:47] <Petaris> universe is not default
[09:52] <Petaris> ok found them
[09:52] <Petaris> thanks ogra
[10:06] <Petaris> time to go
[10:06] <Petaris> later all
[10:21] <Burgwork> oh, there is a good LDAP howto on the help wiki
[10:22] <Burgwork> ogra, ajmitch: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LDAPClientAuthentication
[10:24] <cbx33> hey Amaranth
[10:28] <Amaranth> hey cbx33
[10:32] <cbx33> saw the blog post ;)
[10:34] <Amaranth> :D
[10:36] <cbx33> is there anything i can do to help out on willow after fesity is release?
[10:36] <Amaranth> hmm
[10:36] <Amaranth> dunno, i'm not sure what i want to do with it
[10:37] <cbx33> what's missing from it now?
[10:38] <Burgwork> there are a few features willow is missing
[10:39] <Amaranth> it needs a web frontend, a way to login to bypass the blocking, and a firefox/epiphany plugin to mark things as bad/good
[10:40] <Amaranth> and i'm not at all happy with the naive page reading it does to get tokens
[10:40] <cbx33> i see
[10:40] <Amaranth> probably should be using beautifulsoup or something to get extra info about the page
[10:40] <Amaranth> like number of words, number of images, etc
[10:40] <Amaranth> because porn sites are usually all images
[10:41] <cbx33> heh
[10:41] <cbx33> the kids at the school could seem to be able to find them though
[10:47] <jbrefort> LaserJock, thanks for the patch. Can you send me the latest version of the glade file?
[10:48] <LaserJock> jbrefort: I didn't send that too?
[10:48] <jbrefort> just the patch
[10:48] <LaserJock> oops
[10:50] <LaserJock> jbrefort: hmm, that patch didn't include the glade file?
[10:50] <LaserJock> I thought I diffed the whole tree
[10:50] <jbrefort> I did not see it
[10:51] <LaserJock> oh, because that would be a new file
[10:51] <jbrefort> yes it needs cvs add
[10:54] <LaserJock> sent
[10:54] <jbrefort> thanks
[11:52] <ajmitch> Burgwork: that post about APOC on planet gnome looks interesting
[11:53] <Burgwork> ajmitch: indeed. I just hope they coordinate with the sabayon guys at Novell to work on getting the two bits merged
[11:54] <ajmitch> it'd be nice to have some good management tools
[11:54] <Burgwork> indeed
[11:54] <Burgwork> and something good that GNOME says "this is our stuff"
[11:56] <ajmitch> even though java is being freed, I'm not a big fan
[11:57] <ajmitch> mono seems to have better platform integration
[11:57] <Burgwork> I suspect java will get more as it is freed
[11:57] <ogra> if its free we'll ship it by default
[11:57] <ajmitch> it may even become popular, finally
[11:58] <Burgwork> hopefully for feisty+1
[11:58] <Burgwork> but having a good set of management tools that are blessed by upstream will be a major boon
[12:06] <cbx33> nn guys