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Hobbseewho did the default amarok theme?01:42
Hobbseekwwii: did you?01:46
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kwwiiHobbsee: yes I made it01:59
kwwiiat least, the one for edgy01:59
kwwiigoing to bed now though...see you in 7 hours02:00
Hobbseekwwii: apparently its' very blue02:01
Hobbseenight!  have a good sleep!02:01
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jjessein feisty is just main enabled by default or other repos?03:05
jjesseand should i refer to them as "software channels" instead?03:05
wgwgood evening03:14
wgwah dang it03:14
wgwbrb03:14
jjessek03:14
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wgwyou might try the main Kubuntu channel03:14
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jjessenixternal: what reposotires are enabled by default in feisty and are you referencing them as software chanels or repositories?04:11
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jjesseanyone around or everyone else asleep?05:10
jjessequestion i now need answered is how upgrades will be handeld for feisty05:11
jjesseif i recall correctly there is an update manager?05:11
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Hobbseeany core devs around?05:35
jjesseHobbsee: no devs are around :(05:35
Hobbseejjesse: awww :(05:35
jjessei think i'm the only one awake05:35
Hobbseedrat :(05:35
jjesseHobbsee: my work had an opportuity for 12 weeks of work in Australia, but I was tied up in another gig :(05:35
jjessei could have come and visted you05:35
Hobbseeawww!  woudl have been great to do it!05:36
Hobbseeand praetor, depending on where you went05:36
jjessei know i was pretty bummed05:36
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jjesseyeah it would have been awesome05:45
jjessedon't know if the wife would have enjoyed it, but i would have :)05:45
jjessebtw if i'm the only user on my system and change my password, sudo will still work correctly right?05:45
Hobbseewould expect so05:46
Hobbseeeven if you werent the only user05:46
Hobbseechanging your UID might, though05:46
jjesseok05:46
jjessejust curious, never tried it05:46
=== jjesse has to get the kubuntu chapter to the editor by the end of the week
Hobbseeah05:47
jjessefor some reason i have less pages then last chpt due to some of the great changesmade05:48
Hobbseeah05:48
nixternaljjesse: main, restricted, universe and multiverse are enabled now in Feisty05:48
Hobbseewoot :)05:48
nixternalhehe05:49
nixternalhiya Hobbsee and jjesse05:49
Hobbseehey nixternal :)05:49
=== Hobbsee wondered why her feisty died trying to recover a partition
jjessehiya nixternal05:50
jjessecan someone define what exactly the splash screen is and why i might wnat to change it?05:51
nixternaljjesse: which splash screen?05:52
Hobbseeksplash, or usplash?05:53
jjessethe splash screeen i can change from system settings05:53
nixternalthere is the usplash which is the boot screen during boot up, then there is the ksplash which is what you see when you log in05:53
nixternalthen there are splash screens for stuff like Amarok, K3b and such05:53
jjesseso usplash is what i can configure from system settings under look and feel?05:54
nixternaljjesse: that is the splash (ksplash) which shows the startup process after login with icons and text05:54
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nixternalksplash is under system settings05:54
nixternalusplash you would configure from /boot/grub/menu.lst05:54
jjessei think i mispoke in the last rev of the chpt05:54
jjessenixternal: are you snowed in??? I heard part of chi-town got 8.8 inches?05:55
nixternalwe got just over 10" yesterday05:55
nixternaland they never closed the uni05:56
jjessethat's a bummer05:56
nixternaleverything else was closed, but not school05:56
nixternalI have some nice 4' to 8' drifts out back05:56
nixternalwe had about a 12' drift on the side of the house in between our house and the neighbors house05:56
jjessewow05:56
jjesseit just drifted here05:56
jjessethe guy that plows my driveway was complainng that .7 inches of snow is turning into 2ft in some locations05:57
jjessei laughed at him05:57
nixternalI took a shovel and chopped away at the base for laughs and when it fell, oh man did it knock me silly05:57
jjessei bet that was funny05:58
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Hobbseeseele: heh.  you pong'd slightly too late05:59
Hobbseeseele: which is the most sensible order to put the logout buttons in?  see backscroll for more info05:59
CzessiHobbsee: Hi, do you or another one update the amarok package in kubuntu.org/packages (magnatune2.diff) ?06:27
Tonio_hi ;)06:28
CzessiHi06:28
Tonio_Czessi: dunno for amarok06:28
HobbseeCzessi: i will/have06:28
HobbseeCzessi: there's a freeze on at the moment06:29
HobbseeTonio_: if you uploaded it now, it'll just sit in the queue, right?06:29
CzessiHobbsee: the edgy backport too? http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-145/pool-edgy/amarok/06:30
HobbseeCzessi: not yet.  will have to wait for feisty's to be uploaded for that, i expect06:30
Tonio_Hobbsee: where's the magnatude patch ?06:31
Tonio_Hobbsee: I can upload today, when the freeze ends06:31
HobbseeTonio_: http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/amarok.debdiff06:33
HobbseeTonio_: and other patches that upstream asked us to put in (regressions)06:33
CzessiHobbsee: ok06:33
Tonio_Hobbsee, Czessi: will upload today06:33
CzessiTonio_: great06:34
HobbseeTonio_: thanks06:35
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dinosaur-rushi06:46
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Hobbseeheya06:47
dinosaur-rusTonio_: please check and fix mime data in KDE (for example, "Archive Tar compacte par Gzip" for gzipped tarballs)06:48
Jucatoer.. darn I'm late...06:48
dinosaur-rus_StefanS_: there's no update to ksmserver yet... :(06:49
Hobbseedinosaur-rus: of course not, we're in a darned freeze.  and did you file the mime data bug as requested?06:49
Hobbseedinosaur-rus: most people will not just drop everything and code you a fix, you know...06:49
Tonio_dinosaur-rus: what is the issue for mimetypes ?06:50
Tonio_dinosaur-rus: archives are frozen, that's why you didn't get any update06:51
dinosaur-rusHobbsee: recently _StefanS_ fixed logout screen bug (broken buttons, etc.) and said an update will be available soon06:51
Tonio_dinosaur-rus: that'll be updated when the archives are unfrozen06:51
Hobbseedinosaur-rus: yes, but we're in a main freeze, as !schedule would tell you06:51
dinosaur-rusTonio_: I apologize, that's not your mistake. it's something wrong with KDE -- for some types it selects wrong language... :(06:55
Tonio_dinosaur-rus: hum, you get them in french ?06:55
dinosaur-rusTonio_: not all06:56
Tonio_french desktop ?06:56
Tonio_Hobbsee: _Stefan sent e a patch over his patch with fucked up headers :'(06:57
Tonio_pain to apply this..........06:57
HobbseeTonio_: sorry?06:57
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HobbseeTonio_: which was this?06:58
Tonio_Hobbsee: the new logout patch isn't a kdebase patch06:58
dinosaur-rusTonio_: ahhh... kick my head... :) they ALL are in French, but KDE is in English (so it should use English for everything)06:58
Tonio_it is a diff for his diff for kdebase :/06:58
Hobbseeah06:58
Hobbseelovelyy06:58
Hobbseethat's about as stupid as introducing a patch system, to patch something in debian/06:58
Tonio_let's apply the match manually I think......06:59
HobbseeTonio_: bet it didnt apply then....06:59
HobbseeTonio_: you should be able to apply the patch just to his diff?06:59
Tonio_dinosaur-rus: never heaard about that issue, that's very strange.......06:59
Tonio_Hobbsee: yeah but well that's a pain to apply ;)06:59
HobbseeTonio_: is it?06:59
=== Hobbsee would have thought standard patch would handle that.
Hobbseei mean, that's what it does for debian files07:00
Hobbseeer, for upstream files07:00
Tonio_well what I can do is to apply patches without his patches07:01
Tonio_make 2 copies, then apply his patches, then diff again........ pleasure....07:01
HobbseeTonio_: i thought you could just take the original pathc, modify the new patch to actually patch the original patch, and then put the newlypatchedoriginalpatch into debian/patches?07:02
Hobbseeor am i missing something major here?07:02
Tonio_Hobbsee: how so ?07:02
HobbseeTonio_: can you pastebin the patch taht he sent you, and the original patch, that you're patching?07:03
Tonio_Hobbsee: it is not a patch update, it is a diff to his diff :)07:03
Tonio_well not exactly07:03
Tonio_it is a diff for kdebase that considers his first diff is already applied07:03
Tonio_I have to merge the 2 patches isn fact07:03
Tonio_I don't know if that's clear ?07:04
Hobbseeyeah, it is now.07:04
Tonio_hos second patch can only apply when the first is already applied07:04
Hobbseecan you pastebin both of them?07:04
Hobbseeyup07:04
Tonio_Hobbsee: don't mind, I'll just do it, but I'll have to explain him how to do in the future ;)07:04
HobbseeTonio_: heh07:04
Tonio_cause doing this + test is a big waste of time :)07:04
Hobbseetreu that07:04
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=== Hobbsee thought diff actually merged diff's properly
=== Hobbsee will have to try that
dinosaur-rusTonio_: if KDE developers fix that thing, will it be packaged (i.e. will it be considered as important fix)?07:11
Hobbseefor SRU?07:11
Tonio_dinosaur-rus: if your issue is confirmed yes, of course07:11
Tonio_Hobbsee: good point :) I was talking about feisty07:11
Tonio_Hobbsee: when you shift + suppr and it doesn't has for confirmation, how to revert back ? I can't find that...07:12
Tonio_Hobbsee: found it ! sorry :)07:12
Tonio_dinosaur-rus: if that closes a kde bug, I'll fix for feisty, but probably not for edgy...07:13
dinosaur-rusTonio_: I'm on Feisty ;)07:14
Tonio_dinosaur-rus: so it'll be fix07:14
Tonio_dinosaur-rus: but I can't reproduce your issue, I am french, so my desktop is just perfect :)07:14
dinosaur-rus:)07:15
Tonio_dinosaur-rus: did someone already confirmed the issue for you ?07:16
Tonio_I'm surprised to hear about that for the first time07:17
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dinosaur-rusTonio_: not yet because I thought it's Kubuntu-specific problem :S07:17
dinosaur-rusTonio_: so I'm filling a bug report07:18
Tonio_dinosaur-rus: that's the good approach yes :)07:18
Tonio_Hobbsee: you didn't tell your opinion concerning the little zoom effect for the desktop ?07:21
HobbseeTonio_: did i know about it?  :P07:22
HobbseeTonio_: zoom in effect for the desktop?07:22
Tonio_Hobbsee: the konqueror effect on execute07:22
Tonio_Hobbsee: we discussed about it 2 days ago remember ?07:22
Hobbseeer, no?07:22
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Tonio_let me show tou :)07:22
Tonio_http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=5299407:23
Tonio_Hobbsee: packages are available on my repo for testing07:23
Tonio_http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org07:23
Tonio_Hobbsee: just have to add my repo and dist-upgrade, then restart kde07:23
Tonio_looks to me like just working07:23
Tonio_Hobbsee: but i'd like to get the maximum feedback before adding it07:24
HobbseeTonio_: ohhh...that...07:24
Tonio_yes07:24
Hobbseelooks nice, didnt test it on my system07:25
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Tonio_okay ;)07:25
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dinosaur-rusnow I have to go. cya and good luck! ;)07:27
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faboTonio_: i have updated kwlan package08:56
Tonio_fabo: ah great08:57
Tonio_fabo: UVF exception ?08:57
Tonio_fabo: universe is upstream version frozen08:57
faboTonio_: yes, UVFe will follow08:58
Tonio_fabo: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kwlan can't see your 0.6.0 upload...08:58
Tonio_okay perfect, I'm leaving this then :) thanks for the job !08:58
faboTonio_: yes, my sponsor must upload it to debian this morning then i ask a sync.08:59
fabonp08:59
Tonio_fabo: concerning klibido you should sync the patches, I've updated the nzb one08:59
faboi know ;)08:59
Tonio_fabo: there was an issue cleaning args08:59
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faboutnubu feed is great08:59
Tonio_hehe ;)09:00
Tonio_yes that's very usefull for the debian maintainers who care about ubuntu patches :)09:00
Tonio_sad thing about klibido is that it seems unmaintained....09:01
Tonio_very sad since the base is very nice, but unstable...09:01
Tonio_it freezes when you let it 10 minutes idle, I don't know why09:01
Tonio_I hope upstream will at least provide a kde4 port of this09:02
faboTonio_: upstream don't want to let klibido to someone atm09:03
Tonio_fabo: yes but well he doesn't maintain the code... 2 commits in one year...09:03
faboi asked him if he don't have time to maintain it, he can ask for help ;)09:03
fabothere's someone on the ml, who seems motivated and want to take care of it09:04
Tonio_well the app will be forked by someone wanting to improve it then... sad but risks to happen09:04
Tonio_I can't understand those developpers who really want to keep the code for them even if they don't maintain it...09:04
Tonio_stupid09:04
faboi saw some other interesting apps on kde-apps based on Qt409:04
Tonio_et pis merde on est que deux je vois pas pourquoi on causerait en anglais hein :)09:05
fabohehe :)09:05
Tonio_bref, la fiert de certains devs me rend malade09:05
Tonio_il fout plus rien, mais surtout pas question de laisser un autre mec coder  sa place....09:05
fabooui, donc je commence  prospecter pour un remmplaant09:05
Tonio_monomaniaque, voila le terme09:05
Tonio_bah t'as bien raison, c'est potentiellement un des meilleurs grabbeurs toutes plateformes confondues09:06
Tonio_sauf qques problemes d'intgration et d'instalabilit09:06
faboje sais pas si j'ai encore son mail ... il veut mme pas filer un acces au depot09:06
Tonio_mon patch est partiel, mais c'est un hack de merde09:06
Tonio_on devrait pouvoir foutre les nzb en queue via la session courante, depuis un double click sur un nzb, mais c'est aps facile a faire :)09:07
Tonio_j'ai tent de merger le truc en kuniqueapplication, mais ca marche pas09:07
fabotu vois bien les patches qu'il y a sur le paquet, que je lui ai propos il y a presque 1 an ... mme pas commit09:07
Tonio_fabo: bah faut forker le bousin alors....09:07
Tonio_ca sera l'occaz de changer de nom :) vu que klibido, ca sonne assez porno aux oreilles de pas mal de monde09:08
faboa force de faire des modifs. ce sera bientot le cas ;)09:08
Tonio_bien un nom de soft rital ca..... :)09:08
fabolol :)09:08
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Tonio_une chose est sure, ne commit pas mon patch, c'est pas super au point09:08
faboc'est clair09:08
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Tonio_faut que j'arrive  grer ca dans la session courante plutot qu'une nouvelle session a chaque fois09:09
faboc'est pas grave en ce moment j'upload en experimental09:09
Tonio_si j'arrive a faire ca, avec un code un peu moins degueu, pourquoi pas09:09
Tonio_waip et puis bon ca fonctionne, mais c'est pas propre quoi09:09
fabole freeze de etch commence a s'eterniser09:09
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Tonio_le truc c'est que pour que ca marche faudrait que le code soit orient kuniqueapplication, mais ca demande beaucoup de code cette affaire...09:10
Tonio_a moins de faire une option de commande genre "addnzbtoqueue"09:10
Tonio_Jucato: hehe sorry we thought we were alone ;)09:10
Jucatoit's ok09:10
JucatoI'm actually enjoying watching it :)09:11
Jucatoplease continue :D09:11
=== Tonio_ wonders were is the peasure reading somethnig you may never understand :)
Tonio_Jucato: mais bon si c'est ton trip, ca me va :)09:11
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Jucatoseeing words I don't understand kinda makes me smile... maybe an effect of watching to much Anime lol09:12
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Tonio_fabo: ceci dit je te souhaite bonne change pour trouver un remplaant :) le code a l'air propre, donc le projet doit tre reprenable par un bon codeur sans trop de problemes09:12
Tonio_Jucato: haha :)09:13
Tonio_je me demande ce qu'en penserait manchicken...09:14
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Tonio_fabo: ca a l'air d'tre un bon codeur qui cherche un projet ;)09:14
Tonio_fabo: il a commit de bons trucs pour adept recemment...09:15
Tonio_fabo: y a aussi un autre gars ici : _Stefan09:15
Tonio_fabo: ca te dis que je leur en parle ?09:15
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_StefanS_mornings09:53
Jucatomoin _StefanS_09:53
_StefanS_Jucatooo09:53
Jucato:)09:54
yuriyheh reading stuff i halfway understand ^^ is interesting09:55
Jucatoheh :)09:56
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Tonio_hey _StefanS_ :)10:10
_StefanS_Tonio_: :) cheers on the update10:10
Tonio__StefanS_: concerning your patch, I had hard time adding it !10:10
_StefanS_yessir cool10:10
_StefanS_Im running it now10:10
Tonio__StefanS_: your patch is a diff done while the previous patch is already applied10:11
Tonio_I had to merge them10:11
_StefanS_Tonio_: oh.. well I need a little lecture on that diff/debian business10:11
=== Jucato wonders when he'll here those statements from Tonio_: "I had a hard time adding your patch"
_StefanS_Tonio_: I just end up diff'ing all files on my system10:12
Jucato_StefanS_: I think I need a whole semester on that :)10:12
=== _StefanS_ is NOT a diff master
_StefanS_Tonio_: I'm sorry10:12
Tonio__StefanS_: that's not to blame you :)10:12
=== _StefanS_ didn't get much sleep last night... kids
Tonio__StefanS_: that happens, especially when you learn diff, debdif and cdbs usage10:12
Riddell"cdbs takes away my sleep"10:13
Tonio__StefanS_: the idea not to rebuild the all patch is to use cdbs to edit your patch, I'll explain you the way it works !=10:13
Tonio_Riddell: hey ;)10:13
_StefanS_Tonio_: yes, we got to have a little session on that10:13
_StefanS_Riddell: hey10:13
Riddellmorning all10:13
Tonio_Riddell: although it might be nice to have a cdbs-edit-diff alias sometimes10:14
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Tonio__StefanS_: it'll take you 10 minutes to figure out how to use it properly, and you'll obviously love that ;)10:15
Tonio_cdbs is genius10:15
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_StefanS_Tonio_: seet10:15
_StefanS_Tonio_: sweet even10:15
_StefanS_did you read my mail btw ?10:15
Tonio__StefanS_: but don't mind, I did so many crappy things when I started using debdiff and cdbs ;)10:16
Tonio__StefanS_: yes, I'd love the kdesu fade10:16
=== _StefanS_ has already done alot of crappy diff stuff
Riddelland I'd love the keep above flag on the kdesu window :)10:16
Tonio__StefanS_: concerning the logout window, didn't you use the same i18n phrases than the previous one ?10:16
Tonio__StefanS_: translation fails for me10:16
_StefanS_Tonio_: nope, we agreed that the text's should be changed.. remember ? :)10:17
_StefanS_Tonio_: End Session -> Log out10:17
_StefanS_Tonio_: minus 'computer' on all texts aswell10:17
Tonio_Riddell: I started to look at the kdesktop context menus translation issue, but I don't understand... it seems to be the same part of code than for konqueror, except the context menus are correct in konq...10:17
Tonio__StefanS_: I hope it'll be translated for the release ;)10:18
_StefanS_Tonio_: Can't we push that somehow ?10:18
Tonio__StefanS_: I agree smal text is better10:18
Tonio__StefanS_: sure I'm just waiting for the archives to be opened10:18
_StefanS_Tonio_: yes.. no point in "shutdown computer" "restart computer" etc..10:18
Tonio_I have kdebase, kdelibs, amarok and kubuntu-default-settings packages to upload10:19
_StefanS_Riddell: the keep above all others are critical to whether this will be usable or not.10:19
RiddellTonio_: the whole of kdesktop doesn't pick up translations10:19
Riddell_StefanS_: actually isn't not just keep above, it's also that it can't loose focus10:19
_StefanS_Riddell: If we cannot make the window to behave, then we better leave it10:19
_StefanS_Riddell: Well I think it can be set as well10:20
Riddellexcellent stuff :)10:20
_StefanS_Riddell: I found a whole list of properties to stick on a window10:20
_StefanS_Riddell: I will do some testing with a simple app to see how it works10:20
Riddellmay also be worth looking at the gksu code to see how it does it10:21
_StefanS_Riddell: in fact I messed around in gtk to find that specific net_wm_above* thing ;)10:21
praetorare there any new superkaramba packages in the latest feisty?10:21
praetorcause the current ones are very crash happy10:21
Tonio_Riddell: ah ? I just noticed a few things untranslated.... how come the rest in french here then ?10:21
_StefanS_Riddell & Tonio_: I was thinking of doing exactly same fade as in ubuntu, instead of using the one for the logout which is more advanced. We dont want it to impose waits10:21
Riddellagreed, waits are bad10:23
_StefanS_I'm not very satisfied with the logout wait (2-3 secs), but it seems it is a Qt bug related to convertToImage10:24
_StefanS_If the desktop if != 24 bit10:24
Tonio__StefanS_: yes, waits on logout are not a problem, but with kdesu that can be painfull10:24
Tonio__StefanS_: do you consider changing it for the logout too ?10:25
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Tonio_I wouldn't oppose to this neither, as it is a bit slow, especially when using a crappy driver like nv10:25
_StefanS_2secs, talking on the phone10:26
_StefanS_ok back10:28
_StefanS_Tonio_: well I have thought about changing it, since I hate slow stuff10:29
_StefanS_Tonio_: I will look into it while looking at the possibilities while hacking kdesu10:29
_StefanS_ehh that was a really weird sentence :)10:29
_StefanS_I will look at it hehe10:29
Tonio_okay ;)10:30
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faboTonio_: desol le boss m'a coup ;)10:31
fabodonc, je vais relancer une derniere fois l'upstream et je te tiens au courant s'il faut commencer un fork10:32
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_StefanS_well I better do some paid work ... talk to you guys later10:33
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RiddellTonio_: have your kopete changes gone in?10:38
Tonio_Riddell: my kopete changes ? ah the contact list theme, yes it is already in the archives10:40
Riddelldoesn't look any different to me10:41
Tonio_the patch + the default theme10:41
Tonio_Riddell: default config is changed...10:41
RiddellI'm on a live CD10:41
Riddellthe background is more blue10:41
Tonio_hu ???10:41
Tonio_that's it10:41
Tonio_the contact list has a backgrond10:41
Tonio_and the theme is different10:41
Riddellmuse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kopete.png10:42
Tonio_Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture19.png10:43
Tonio_Riddell: that's it you have the changes...10:43
Tonio_default theme is changed and contactlist background is there too10:43
Tonio_that's normal :)10:43
Riddellgroovy, can you put that on the Herd 4 page?10:44
Tonio_sure10:44
=== Tonio_ goes bying cigarettes, will do that in a few minutes :
Tm_Thttp://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png10:44
Tm_TTidam...10:45
Riddellaw man, I thought they'd gone all civilized and banned smoking in france10:45
Tonio_Riddell: it is banned in public, yes, not at home hehe :)10:45
Tm_TRiddell: They10:45
Tm_Thmh10:45
_StefanS_Tm_T: cool background !10:46
Tm_TThey're french, what did you expect?10:46
Tonio_I'm sick of that way to forbit everything....10:46
RiddellTm_T: now that looks different10:46
Tonio_don't smoke, don't drink, don't phone cellphones are dangerous10:46
Tonio_don't play video games, that's dangerous for your mind10:46
Tonio_do NOTHING !10:47
Tm_TRiddell: Hmm, and that's how my desktop looks when I move back towards "kde default"10:47
Tonio_you'll be bored all your life and die happy.....10:47
Tonio_I agree non-smokers are prior, that's normal, but forbidding everything makes me sh...10:47
Riddelluh oh, Tonio's turned into a Daily Mail reader10:48
Tm_TCan't hate Oxygen icons & colours <310:48
Tonio_Riddell: I think I should read daily mail then :)10:48
mhbmorning all10:48
Riddellkopete has an option to hide the scrollbar on the contacts list.  that's so KDE10:48
Tonio_Riddell: yes that's ridiculous....10:49
Tm_TRiddell: :)10:49
Tm_TI never liked scrollbar in contactlist.10:49
mhbme neither10:49
Tm_TAnd my contactlist has bigger pictures than yours!10:49
mhbhas anyone experienced KMail trouble lately?10:54
Tm_TI have.10:54
Tm_TStupid MDN stuff I can't get off.10:54
mhbhmm, mine can't even check for new mail10:55
Tm_TOuch.10:56
mhbit says "no new messages" even though it hasn't checked at all10:56
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praetorRiddell: is there going to be new entries in the meta-release file for kubuntu, or will the same upgrader tool work for both ubuntu and kubuntu, based on the cmd line flag passed to it?11:06
_StefanS_praetor: have you tested the latest logout ?11:07
_StefanS_praetor: you had some problems with it, right ?11:07
Riddellpraetor: the same tool will work for both11:07
Riddellpraetor: what I'm not sure about is the release notes11:07
praetor_StefanS_: not I, i'm still capped for another 6 days11:07
_StefanS_praetor: oka11:09
Tonio_stupid question but how can we upload images to the wiki ?11:13
Tonio_Riddell: I'm adding the stuff in with screenshots, but I don't find the upload image function :)11:13
Tonio_may sounds stupid but I really can't find that....11:16
JucatoTonio_: not sure if this helps: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpOnLinking11:18
RiddellTonio_: I've never worked that out, I just enter a URL11:18
Tonio_Riddell: ah.... the source code looks like it uses internal images11:18
Tonio_https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd4/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=smadept-software-properties.png11:19
Tonio_probably changed when you submit the page then....11:19
JucatoHerd 4 is out tomorrow/later?11:21
Tonio_Jucato: I think today....11:22
Jucatoah11:23
Tonio_Riddell: did you had those images to the page ?11:23
=== Jucato considers upgrading already
Tonio_it seems like they are attached to the page, I'd like to do the same... looks possible but undocumented...11:24
Tonio_https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd4/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=kicker-layout.png11:27
Tonio_Jucato: how the hell does that come into the page ?11:28
Jucatoheh I don't know either... nixternal would probably know best11:28
Tonio_:'( I hate when I can't find easy things like this11:28
JucatoTonio_: not entirely your fault though... if you can't find instructions for it... then it's a documentation problem :)11:29
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Tonio_Jucato: please :)11:29
Tonio_nixternal: ping ?11:29
Jucato4:32 AM...11:30
Tonio_Jucato: err, true :) that'll wait for nixternal then :) herd4 will not be out that soon, so no pb ;)11:32
Jucatohehe11:32
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Riddellooh, basket 1.0 got in11:51
sebasWhat's manchicken's email?12:03
Riddellmanchicken@notsosoft. net12:08
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sebasRiddell: Thanks12:22
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=== Jucato deflates due to Hobbsee's poking
Hobbseeoh dear01:05
Hobbseeseen -ops yet?  :)01:05
Jucatogonna read the backlog :)01:05
Jucatooh, and congrats :)01:06
Hobbseethanks :)01:06
Jucatohm.. anything else I should know about? easily got lost between your ML reply and SeveasCOOTIES :)01:09
Hobbseehaha01:10
JucatoHobbsee: btw, regarding basket 1.001:13
HobbseeJucato: hrm? it synced, i saw01:13
JucatoI compiled it from source on Edgy. The funny thing is that it's automatically added to Kontact. But you can't see it in Select Components01:14
=== Hobbsee could
Hobbseeat the bottom01:15
Hobbseeoh, dunno about compiling it form source though01:15
Tonio_Riddell: you seem to be in love with basket aren't you ? :)01:15
Hobbseeif you didnt have kdepim-dev installed01:15
=== Hobbsee loves basket
JucatoHobbsee: KDE 3.5.6?01:15
RiddellTonio_: I've never used it01:16
Jucatoah maybe an update Kontact? I asked in #kontact. iirc someone said it's a known issue... oh well :)01:16
RiddellHobbsee: are you taking care of the packages fabo e-mailed about?01:16
HobbseeRiddell: i'd have to double check which they were.  i'm helping to, yes01:16
JucatoHobbsee: oh scratch that... a restart seem to make everything work now... bah01:16
HobbseeJucato: heh01:16
Tonio_Riddell: okay, sorry for the stupid comment then ;)01:18
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JucatoTonio_: Hobbsee's the one that's in love with baskets :)01:18
praetorRiddell: neat, I see you filled in launchDistUpdater() hehe, I was just about to01:20
HobbseeJucato: :P01:20
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Riddellpraetor: we should be almost ready for testing too01:21
praetorRiddell: excellent. uncapped on the 21st so 6 days01:21
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dinosaur-rushi01:21
RiddellHobbsee: I'm sure it is01:22
Hobbseeoh, it is.  twice01:22
Riddellyes :)01:22
Hobbseehttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/8532901:23
UbugtuMalone bug 85329 in amarok "amarok_1.4.5-0ubuntu4 need libgpod 0.4.2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 01:23
=== Hobbsee wonders why
=== Hobbsee versions it
Hobbseehas anyone uploaded my new version yet?01:24
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dinosaur-rus_StefanS_: this morning Hobbsee said your fix for logout screen won't be available because things got frozen :)01:25
Hobbseedinosaur-rus: things are still frozen.  see #ubuntu-devel, and the lack of release announcement01:25
Hobbseedinosaur-rus: no matter what you say, you cant shove that through.01:25
HobbseeTonio_: debdiff updated, for when you want to upload01:26
_StefanS_Hobbsee: Tonio_ uploaded it last night01:26
Hobbsee_StefanS_: where "it" is?01:26
_StefanS_Hobbsee: I might have downloaded it from Tonio_'s repository though..01:26
_StefanS_Hobbsee: what do you mean by that sentence ? :)01:27
_StefanS_Where is that where "it", though "it" was ... just a cryptic01:28
Hobbsee[23:26]  <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: Tonio_ uploaded it last night  <-- amarok, or your changes01:28
Hobbsee?01:28
_StefanS_Hobbsee: updated ksmserver01:28
Hobbseeright01:28
_StefanS_Hobbsee: I was told it could be added after thursday01:28
HobbseeTonio_: new version is up, at the same address, for you ot upload01:28
Hobbsee_StefanS_: yep.  that's correct01:28
_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: it will be available after this thursday01:29
_StefanS_Hobbsee: I'm talking about my changes ofcourse01:29
Hobbsee_StefanS_: gotcha :)01:29
_StefanS_:D01:29
_StefanS_sorry for mixing stuff up01:29
Hobbseeit's fine01:29
=== Hobbsee pokes imbrandon
Jucatois he still alive? :)01:30
dinosaur-rus_StefanS_: ok, I'm waiting ;)01:30
HobbseeJucato: yes, he was just in -motu01:30
_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: it works great though.. you could try it out now from Tonio_'s repos01:30
JucatoHobbsee: oh glad to hear that :)01:30
=== Jucato misses imbrandon...
_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: look at the pm01:31
dinosaur-rus_StefanS_: pm?01:32
_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: thats a private message...01:32
dinosaur-rus_StefanS_: I know what is "pm", just I didn't receive any private messages... :/01:32
_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: you should01:33
dinosaur-rus_StefanS_: nothing... :/01:33
_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: what about now01:34
dinosaur-rus_StefanS_: still nothing... try again (I've changed some settings)01:35
Hobbsee_StefanS_: you registered?01:38
Hobbseeoh, you are identified01:38
=== Hobbsee wonders if dinosaur-rus is just missing hte extra tab in gaim
dinosaur-rusHobbsee: that was due to privacy settings :) now it's ok01:39
_StefanS_Hobbsee: on the phone01:39
Hobbseeah01:41
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_StefanS_Hobbsee: I'm registered01:50
Hobbsee_StefanS_: yes, saw that, eventually01:51
_StefanS_ok01:51
=== Hobbsee is a little slow tonight, it seems :P
Hobbseewoke up a fair bit, when work went crazy...but still...01:55
_StefanS_Hobbsee: so its at night in au ?01:55
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_StefanS_Hobbsee: dont know the difference between dk and au01:55
_StefanS_Hobbsee: time difference01:55
Tonio_Riddell: I notice that your launchpad integration for rosetta package has an issue...01:56
Tonio_Riddell: example : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+sources/konversation/+translate01:56
Tonio_it links to that, shouldn't that be https://translations.launchpad.net/konversation/+translations instead ?01:56
Hobbsee_StefanS_: yeah, midnight01:58
RiddellTonio_: hmm, that should be controlled by the launchpad-intergration tools02:05
Tonio_Riddell: well the point is that I always do on a bad page ;) not good !02:08
Tonio_Riddell: maybe launchpad-integration needs fixing...02:09
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dinosaur-russorry, gaim's crazyness :)02:16
Luremhb: re kmail issues> this may be related to recent network status patchaes - do you use knetworkmanager and have networkstatus package installed?02:18
Tonio_hum kdeprint errors again....02:22
Tonio_it complains my pdd file is invalid.... no issue with localhost:63102:23
mhbLure: knetworkmanager is on here, but it doesn't work with my wlan iface sadly02:24
mhb(even Ubuntu's manager doesn't)02:24
_StefanS_mhb: could you please test the new logout ?02:24
Luremhb: that might be it - maybe it gives wrong status to networkstatus02:24
Luremhb: does doing manual mail check work at least?02:25
_StefanS_mhb: just add Tonio_'s repos, and update02:25
mhb_StefanS_: okay, will do02:25
nixternalTonio_: pong?02:25
Tonio_nixternal: hi ;)02:25
mhbLure: manual as in?02:25
Tonio_nixternal: I wondered how do you attach images to a wikipage ?02:25
Luremhb: click the toolbar icon (i.e. not interval check)02:26
mhbLure: no, that fails too02:26
nixternal[http://url/to/big/image http://url/to/small/image] 02:26
mhbLure: just says "No new messages" in a second, without even checking02:26
LureTonio_: you just write attachement:<name> and then you can upload02:26
Luremhb: that is probably it...02:27
mhbLure: but it seems to work when knetworkmanager is off02:27
Riddellhmm, I just did an alternate install which sets up /etc/network/interfaces so network manager doesn't get used, and KDE doesn't want to connect to any website02:27
mhbLure: so I guess that's it02:27
mhb_StefanS_: what are Tonio_ 's repos, btw.? :o)02:28
Luremhb: what does "dcop kded networkstatus status pop.mailhost.com" return (replace with your mail hostname)02:28
Tonio_mhb: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org02:28
mhbthanks Tonio_ :o)02:28
_StefanS_mhb: deb http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org/ feisty main02:29
mhbLure: "1" when knetworkmanager is off, "6" when on02:30
_StefanS_by the way, if anyone needs some webspace, I have 1gb to spare... I can provide web/filemanager, unfortunately no ftp access02:30
Luremhb: I get 8 here...02:31
mhbLure: not sure what that means, though02:32
Luremhb: 6 is for diconnected (afair)02:33
Luremhb: I will try to look into this later this evening... For the time being you may try to disbale networkstatus service in kded02:33
Luremhb: this should get you back old behaviour02:33
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Tonio_hum, kdeprint really doesn't accept providing a pdd file manually.... even when it works, there is no way to get the driver's infos...02:35
mhb_StefanS_: it works02:35
_StefanS_mhb: goody02:35
mhb_StefanS_: is there any difference from the last one?02:35
Luremhb: does keyboard key work for selection action?02:35
_StefanS_mhb: well a few.. tab and cursor movement works, sizing should be fixed02:36
mhbLure: yup02:36
_StefanS_mhb: and a few other things02:36
mhbworks nicely02:36
Lure_StefanS_: great work! looking forward to try it myself ;-)02:36
mhbI dislike the logout and restart icons, though02:36
mhbthey seem to be resized too much02:36
_StefanS_mhb: talk to kwwii and Riddell and Tonio_ and whoever to change that :D02:36
Luremhb: use oxygen ;-)02:37
_StefanS_Lure: are the oxygen icons available somewhere, or are you joking ? :)02:37
Riddellonly log out is resized, we'll change that one02:37
Riddelloxygen isn't available for use02:37
Lure_StefanS_: from kde svn - there is script to build the icon theme02:37
mhbLure: I would, but I should be testing the stuff people see when using Kubuntu :o)02:37
_StefanS_Lure: could you throw a screenshot ?02:37
LureRiddell: it is avaialbale for use, but not for distributing02:37
_StefanS_Lure: like to see it02:37
RiddellLure: well yes, I ment use in Kubuntu02:38
Lure_StefanS_: hibernate/suspend are still ugly02:38
mhbRiddell: hmm ... if you take a look at those icons you'll see a black line at the border of the Restart one02:38
mhbRiddell: at least I see tht02:38
Riddellmhb: I can't see that02:38
mhbI'll post a screenshot then02:39
mhbhttp://img247.imageshack.us/img247/7514/logoutdetailrf4.png02:44
mhbactually all of the icons look resized to me02:44
_StefanS_mhb: whats the size of your desktop icons ?02:45
mhbI could be wrong, though02:45
Lure_StefanS_: http://lure.lu.funpic.de/tmp/Logout.png02:45
_StefanS_mhb: i use 48x4802:45
_StefanS_Lure: yes I see..02:46
_StefanS_Lure: however that other icons look really cool02:46
mhb_StefanS_: 64, which is not default, I know02:46
mhbLure: the oxygen ones look much cooler than the crystal ones :o)02:46
mhbI like them too02:46
_StefanS_mhb: that is why... I don't think the regular icon scheme in kubuntu has 96x9602:47
_StefanS_mhb: I think it does a fallback and then scales 48x48 upwards02:47
Luremhb: we just need to ask nuno or kwwii to add suspend & hibernate to oxygen soon ;-)02:47
mhbLure: the only trouble is that the same icon is used for "reload page" and "restart computer"02:48
_StefanS_Lure: where in the svn tree are those icons ?02:48
mhbLure: because the "back" "forward" and "reload" icons all look consistently02:48
Luremhb: I think this is beacuse _StefanS_ uses reload for restart ;-)02:48
mhbLure: actually KDE does :(02:48
_StefanS_yep I do02:48
mhbthe former dialogue did that too02:49
Lure_StefanS_: /trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen02:49
mhb_StefanS_: trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen02:49
mhb:o)02:49
_StefanS_thnx02:49
mhb_StefanS_: by the way - is your shutdown dialog translatable?02:50
mhb_StefanS_: just making sure :o)02:50
_StefanS_mhb: yes02:50
mhbgreat02:50
_StefanS_ofcourse ;)02:50
mhbnow only if they opened Feisty translations02:50
_StefanS_mhb: talked to tonio about that coz he was complaining it didn't work in his inferior language ;O02:50
Lure_StefanS_: just do "cd Oxygen/theme/svg ; ../../utils/generate_oxy_theme.sh"02:50
Tm_TUff.02:50
Lure_StefanS_: you need inkscape and imagemagick installed (afair)02:50
Tm_TI never run those scripts like that.02:51
_StefanS_Lure: oka.. I think i have02:51
LureTm_T: ?02:51
Tm_TOfcourse you should edit them to fit to your needs. :)02:51
=== _StefanS_ wonders how the hell Lure found those icons in the first place
LureTm_T: I do not edit them at all02:51
Tm_TLure: I do, for a good reason.02:51
Lure_StefanS_: kwwii and nuno (two oxygen authors) are good friends of kubuntu ;-)02:52
Tm_T_StefanS_: Found what?02:52
nixternalHobbsee: Congratulations! YAY!!! \o/02:52
_StefanS_Lure: sweet02:52
Hobbseenixternal: :)02:53
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mhbHobbsee: what's the news I forgot about? :o)02:54
_StefanS_Lure: how did you check up those icons specifically ?02:54
Lure_StefanS_: check up?02:54
_StefanS_sorry check out ;D02:54
=== _StefanS_ is still tired
Tm_T?02:54
Lure_StefanS_: http://developer.kde.org/source/anonsvn.html02:55
Lure_StefanS_: svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen02:55
Hobbseemhb: ljl and i got announced as the new people for the irc council02:55
_StefanS_thanks02:55
_StefanS_Lure: I figured it out hehe02:56
Tm_THobbsee: Yay!02:56
mhbHobbsee: congratulations then02:56
Hobbsee:)02:57
Riddell_StefanS_: note that there's no free licence on those icons yet02:58
_StefanS_noted02:58
_StefanS_just curious to test them02:59
=== dinosaur-rus tries to guess how much time will pass until nvidia-glx gets updated for 2.6.20-8 kernel
=== _StefanS_ wonders why latest fglrx is not yet part of ubuntu
LureRiddell: COPYING is very clear anyhow...03:00
seeleHobbsee: kwii let me in on the problem, i told him id think about it03:02
seeleHobbsee: the order has been something of a lot of discussion over the years03:02
Hobbseeseele: right, yep03:03
=== Hobbsee saw the log
Jucatonixternal: Tonio_ was looking for help earlier about how to upload images to the wiki03:03
Jucatonixternal: btw, moin! :)03:04
nixternalmoin moin03:04
nixternalJucato: already hit him up :)03:04
Tonio_nixternal: well when I look at your herd4 page, urls for images are like this :03:04
Tonio_https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd4/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=adept-debconf.png03:04
Tonio_the point is not how to make a link, I know that, but how do you upload the image ;)03:05
JucatoTonio_: btw, was the joined Reload/Stop button added in Kubuntu's KDE 3.5.6 only?03:05
nixternalwhen you are on the page you want to upload an image, in the drop down box up top, select attachments03:05
Tonio_nixternal: I couldn't find this one, let me check...03:06
nixternalyou damn programmers can code the world, yet you can add an attachment to a simple wiki page :D03:07
nixternalarg03:07
gnomefreaklol03:07
nixternals/can add/can't add03:07
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nixternalI guess after reading countless help pages03:07
Tonio_nixternal: I may be blind but I can't find it03:07
_StefanS_nice icons indeed :)03:07
Tonio_where the hell is it ?03:08
nixternalTonio_: are you logged in?03:08
Tonio_nixternal: of course...03:08
_StefanS_Lure: going to real cool those icons :)03:08
_StefanS_Lure: to be03:08
nixternalShow Parent     Edit     Show Changes    Get Info     Unsubscribe       More03:08
nixternalerr03:08
nixternalMore Actions:03:08
nixternalit is under the More Actions: dropdown03:09
Tonio_AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH03:09
Tonio_that's hidden.... why isn't there an action button on the edit page ? that's stupid, really...03:09
gnomefreakoh sweet03:09
nixternalhehe, yes it is03:09
gnomefreakwhen was that added?03:09
nixternalgnomefreak: 2+ years ago :)03:09
Tonio_nixternal: the kicker layout isn't exact, there is 4 pannels by default :)03:09
gnomefreaknever noticed it before03:10
nixternalahh, well whoever posted the image left a note saying 203:10
Tonio_nixternal: it was supposed to be but we finally let 403:10
Tonio_mostly because I couldn't find a way to change to 2 hehe :)03:10
nixternalI will admit the structure of our wiki is bad, and the help isn't there. I just filed a bug to get this cleaned up, updated, and fixed03:10
nixternalahh03:10
nixternalhaha03:11
Tonio_so we need a new screenshot from the livecd03:11
nixternalI have that here03:11
nixternallet me get that and update that page then03:11
Tonio_nixternal: how do you do the small snapshots with shadow ?03:11
mhbadept_manager's Manage Repositories doesn't work yet, but you most probably know that03:11
Tonio_I'd like to do clean, so same way as you :)03:11
dinosaur-rus_StefanS_: I've read that ATI Linux drivers for R480 and newer chips are open-source :)03:11
_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: err where ? :)03:12
_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: I have a FireGL v5200/256mb and that is still blobbed03:12
nixternalTonio_: Gimp. I resize the big shot down to 250px wide, Script-fu drop shaddow, then settings are 4, 4, 8, and 50%. Then I add a white background, then merge all layers (Ctrl+M Enter), resize it back to 250px wide to keep everything the same03:12
Tonio_nixternal: :'(03:13
dinosaur-rus_StefanS_: from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_Technologies#Operating_system_drivers : "ATI currently provides proprietary drivers for Microsoft Windows XP, Mac OS X, and Linux. Linux users have the option of both the old proprietary (R200 and above) and new open source (R480 and below) drivers."03:14
gnomefreakhow close are we to herd4 release?03:15
_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: Well above R480, which I think is Radeon 9600, it still binary all the way03:15
_StefanS_it/its03:15
Tonio_dinosaur-rus: hum, ATI going to opensource ? very, very astonishing :)03:15
dinosaur-rus_StefanS_: R480 is Radeon X85003:17
_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: well then its without 3d ..03:17
_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: because they are hanging very much onto that for competitive advantages03:17
Tonio__StefanS_: that explains :)03:17
_StefanS_radeonfb sucks ass03:17
dinosaur-rus_StefanS_: 3D graphics accelerator without 3D? :))03:18
_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: yes.. cpu does the 3d with opensource drivers03:18
Tonio__StefanS_: which is stupid since before the driver gets analysed, 2 new generations would be out03:18
_StefanS_Tonio_: yea03:18
Tonio_intel published the centrino specs, that didn't cause them any issue to what I know...03:18
Tonio__StefanS_: have you heard that intel wants to complete nvidia and ati now ?03:19
Tonio_with very high quality video chips ?03:19
_StefanS_ati sucks I think... and why the heck can't they add AIGLX (pixmap_from_whateever) like nvidia did long time ago03:19
Tonio_by chance, I hope they'll continue to publish the specs, that would be great for linux03:19
_StefanS_yea I heard... donno how good their gfx will be03:19
_StefanS_they're somewhat behind on that are03:19
_StefanS_area03:19
Tonio__StefanS_: good chips on motherboards means death of graphic cards03:20
jdongthe GMA X3000 seems promising03:20
Tonio_has it did with networkcards or soundblaster cards a few years ago03:20
jdongguess we'll have to wait till Santa Rosa next month to see it happen.03:20
_StefanS_Tonio_: yes... but when the market starts to get tough I bet intel will close their specs03:20
_StefanS_Tonio_: so ati and nvidia won't get too much help03:21
_StefanS_its all about the money03:21
Tonio__StefanS_: hum not sure, they didn't with the centrino even if they lead the market03:21
Tonio_amd could have stollen this.... same problem03:21
_StefanS_hmm well yes03:22
_StefanS_gotta go and grab the new linux format03:22
_StefanS_cu later03:22
Tonio_cu03:22
Tonio_OMG ! new french tv channel : nolifetv03:23
Tonio_designed to geeks...03:24
=== Tonio_ is shame to be french sometimes
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nixternalTonio_: err, what is the name of that Kopete theme again?03:35
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nixternalTonio_: nevermind, I grep the logs :)03:37
nixternalTonio_: added the Kopete theme and the Konqi Flash images and content :)03:38
nixternalalrighty, firing up vmware to get a new kicker screeny03:39
Tonio_nixternal: the name ?03:39
Tonio_nixternal: [15:14]  <Tonio_> new section for kopete new design, with Contact List Theme and TotallyClear as the default theme.03:40
JucatoTonio_: a themeable contact list in Kopete :O03:41
Tonio_Jucato: yeah that's a patch I've found on kde-apps ;)03:42
Jucatoheh I should have known. the kde-apps king :)03:42
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Jucatobah!03:42
Jucatos/hobbit/habit/03:42
Tm_TTonio_: TotallyClear?03:43
Tonio_Tm_T: yes03:44
Tm_TAny pic of that?03:44
Tm_TCan't remember seen that ever.03:44
Tm_TTonio_: Nvm, I see it's in Feisty.03:45
Tm_THmm, why new style?!03:45
Tm_TWho's been doing this?03:46
Jucatois it this Kopete patch? Kopete Reloading Kit: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=49765&PHPSESSID=1ed72826345514284719837e061d295403:47
Tm_TJucato: Yes.03:47
Tonio_Jucato: yup03:47
Jucatoah kool03:47
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Tm_TTonio_: Who's been doing this "TotallyClear" ?03:47
Tonio_Tm_T: I don't know... it's on kde-look03:48
JucatoTm_T: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=40874&PHPSESSID=d0270853285583ef2d430fe17364d74203:48
JucatoTotallyClear03:48
Tm_TTonio_: Well, it doesn't need to be separate style.03:49
Tonio_Tm_T: you mean ?03:49
Tm_TIIRC that's only modified css, so it's variation.03:49
Tm_TWhy not use variation capability?03:49
Tonio_Tm_T: not only, well it is a separate style on kde-look, so I installed it this way03:49
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Tonio_Tm_T: mail the guy who did it :)03:50
Tm_TTonio_: I'm pretty sure all those differences is made / can be made by variation.03:50
Tm_TAn yes I will. :)03:50
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nixternalTonio_: alrighty, that page is complete. I will be heading to school shortly, so Riddell if the release occurs before 23:00, you can just wipe the top warning off of the Herd 4 page04:00
nixternalI have updated the images, and the Kicker image I cropped to prevent side-to-side scrolling to view the new layout04:00
crimsunwant me to proof?04:01
nixternalcrimsun: sure go ahead04:04
crimsunnixternal: url?04:09
Jucatohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd4/Kubuntu04:10
Tonio_nixternal: many thanks :)04:14
_StefanS_anyone know some cool gadgets ? .. I thought about buying a mini pc for running linux04:15
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crimsunnixternal: proofed/corrected.04:26
nixternalthanks, to school I go...yay!04:26
Tonio_Riddell: did you remove digikam from the seeds ?04:32
Tonio_apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop | grep digikam04:32
Tonio_gives me nothing04:32
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bddebianHeya04:34
Tonio_argh removed by pitti...04:36
Tonio_* Removed digikam from desktop-i38604:36
Tonio_what the hell ?04:36
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Tonio_keep space on the cd.....04:49
Tonio_honnestly we ship with 60 MB of WINDOWS apps and we remove digikam04:52
Tonio_I don't understand.......04:52
Tonio_for windows apps, there is the opencd04:53
Tonio_Riddell: honnestly, are we going to block the kubuntu development to ship windows ?04:57
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Tonio_I can't understand we favor windows apps to linux ones on the cd when there is not enough space........04:58
Tonio_doesn't make sense !04:58
mhbI kind of agree with you04:59
Tonio_damn windows apps are optional, if we don't have enough space, we should remove them05:00
Tonio_I prefer to remove windows apps than linux ones !05:00
Tonio_and ship with new apps like twinkle...05:00
Tm_TWell, Firefox in CD is already outdated most of the time.05:00
Tm_TSo drop it.05:00
Tonio_those who want free windows apps on a cd can use the opencd05:00
mhbthe only app for windows I would like there is a GRUB reinstallation one05:01
=== Tm_T thinks offering download link is enough.
Tonio_we can't ship digikam, digikamplugins, twinkle because of this05:01
Tonio_at least for the i386 cd, I know the problem is different for amd6405:01
Tonio_damn, what is kubuntu a linux distro or a software cd for windows ? !05:02
mhbcalm down, man :o)05:03
Tonio_mhb: sorry but appart from internet I'm having a bad day, that explains :)05:04
mhbsurely it can be discussed at a meeting or when other important devs are around05:04
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Jucato:)05:06
Tonio_I agree that needs to be discussed, but honnestly, who already used the kubuntu cd to install windows apps ?05:06
JucatoI'm sure things can be worked out later :)05:06
Tonio_Jucato: well I know I'm a bit hard on that point, bue when I see all the things we cannot ship because of those windows apps, I'm getting mad...05:13
Tonio_no digikam or plugins, languages packs missing, twinkle etc...05:14
JucatoTonio_: heh I agree with you. I hope Riddell agrees too :)05:14
dinosaur-rusTonio_: 60 megabytes of Windows apps on Kubuntu CD??? O_o05:21
faboRiddell: is it important to have last krusader in feisty ?05:22
dinosaur-rusfabo: I'm not Riddell, but why not?05:23
faboTonio_: and others comments ?05:23
fabokrusader 1.80.0-beta1 fixes more than 40 bugs ;)05:24
Tonio_fabo: well lots of people are fan of krusader, so if a new version is out, would be nice to have it I think...05:24
faboand siretart asks if krusader is important for kubuntu ...05:24
faboi would say: yes :)05:25
Tonio_it is for kde in general even if we don't ship it05:25
dinosaur-rusTonio_: what Windows apps take 60MB of Kubuntu CD?05:26
Tonio_dinosaur-rus: all the apps that we ship with it (firefox, thinderbird etc...)05:27
Tonio_the cd has an autostart on windows to provide free softwares05:27
dinosaur-rusTonio_: what are they doing there?05:27
Tonio_dinosaur-rus: that's the good question :)05:27
dinosaur-rusTonio_: why not remove at least part of them?05:27
Tonio_dinosaur-rus: it is an option in fact to promote free software on windows etc...05:28
faboor provide a repo for win apps05:28
Tonio_that's cool but has to stay an "option"05:28
Tonio_and we are currently handicaping kubuntu to ship them05:28
Tonio_that drives me nuts...05:28
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dinosaur-rusTonio_: but GRUB reinstallation tool would be nice :)05:29
mhbdinosaur-rus: yeah, if we had one05:30
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raphinkI totally agree with Tonio_05:32
raphinkit would be nice to maybe give up the openCD together with the Kubuntu CD05:33
raphinkbut it's not our goal to distribute open-source software for Windows05:33
raphinkand these apps the first things I removed in the Ichthux CD actually05:33
Tonio_bah as long as we have freespace, I don't mind05:33
dinosaur-rusTonio_: I like Windows (don't kill me :) ), but remove all unimportant Windows stuff from Kubuntu CD!05:33
raphinkI think I already expressed it and I can't understand that the quality of variety of software provided in Kubuntu might be lowered because of software made for a proprietary platform05:34
raphinkdinosaur-rus: I would say remove ALL Windows sfutt05:34
raphinkstuff05:34
raphinkI don't see a reason to have them05:34
Tonio_raphink: the big thing is that we are shiping with 2 mail clients05:35
Tonio_kdepim and thunderbird05:35
raphinkwhy that?05:35
raphinkkubuntu is currently a reference in the way it sticks on KDE apps05:35
dinosaur-rusTonio_: Kubuntu CD must contain Kubuntu stuff, not Windows one05:35
dinosaur-rusraphink: some things like GRUB repair tool (if it exists) would be nice05:35
Tonio_removing one of those could help keeping digikam05:35
Tonio_which is a pure must have on a kde desktop distro05:35
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sebasWho decides which Windows apps are shipped with the Kubuntu CD?05:36
mhbTonio_: we ship Thunderbird for Kubuntu?05:36
Tonio_mhb: as a window app yes05:36
Tonio_and who the hell will use speedcrunch on windows ? 4MB for this ?05:36
mhbTonio_: I guess we would ship kmail if it was windows-ready (but that's not the point, I know)05:37
Tonio_mhb: we ship it too :)05:38
Tonio_thunderbird AND kdepim (aka kmail)05:38
dinosaur-rushttp://www.geocities.com/lode_leroy/grubinstall05:38
Tonio_http://grub4dos.sourceforge.net/05:39
Tonio_sebas: I don't know05:40
Tonio_sebas: all I know is that kdepim for windows is higly experimental05:40
Tonio_sebas: I even wonder if it works....05:40
sebasIt's not something we want to ship anyway.05:41
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sebasI mean, current KDEPIM is even broken on X1105:41
Tonio_sebas: and how about kexi, is it working nicelly on windows ?05:42
sebasNo idea.05:44
sebasIs it KDE4-based?05:44
sebasThen: No.05:44
Tonio_sebas: no it's the kde3 one05:44
sebasI have no idea about that.05:45
sebasI'd question if it makes sense to ship Windows applications, though.05:45
Tonio_sebas: means that we are loosing 23 MB for something that is not really usable...05:45
sebasA nice article on what Kubuntu is, with screenshots, installation notes and so on would be much more useful.05:46
Tonio_sebas: well my feeling is that it is a good option05:46
Tonio_he we have space for this05:46
sebasThat said, I never put a Kubuntu CD into a WIndows system (well, not without immediately booting it).05:46
Tonio_but as we are running out of space, that's the first thing to be removed05:46
Tonio_that's obvious05:46
sebasI've gotta boot a new kernel.05:46
Tonio_sebas: should we propose this for the next kubuntu-meeting ?05:47
raphinkthat would be nice05:52
mhb+105:53
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yuriyherd 4 out?06:12
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sebasTonio_: Yes.07:14
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