[01:42] <Hobbsee> who did the default amarok theme?
[01:46] <Hobbsee> kwwii: did you?
[01:59] <kwwii> Hobbsee: yes I made it
[01:59] <kwwii> at least, the one for edgy
[02:00] <kwwii> going to bed now though...see you in 7 hours
[02:01] <Hobbsee> kwwii: apparently its' very blue
[02:01] <Hobbsee> night!  have a good sleep!
[03:05] <jjesse> in feisty is just main enabled by default or other repos?
[03:05] <jjesse> and should i refer to them as "software channels" instead?
[03:14] <wgw> good evening
[03:14] <wgw> ah dang it
[03:14] <wgw> brb
[03:14] <jjesse> k
[03:14] <wgw> you might try the main Kubuntu channel
[04:11] <jjesse> nixternal: what reposotires are enabled by default in feisty and are you referencing them as software chanels or repositories?
[05:10] <jjesse> anyone around or everyone else asleep?
[05:11] <jjesse> question i now need answered is how upgrades will be handeld for feisty
[05:11] <jjesse> if i recall correctly there is an update manager?
[05:35] <Hobbsee> any core devs around?
[05:35] <jjesse> Hobbsee: no devs are around :(
[05:35] <Hobbsee> jjesse: awww :(
[05:35] <jjesse> i think i'm the only one awake
[05:35] <Hobbsee> drat :(
[05:35] <jjesse> Hobbsee: my work had an opportuity for 12 weeks of work in Australia, but I was tied up in another gig :(
[05:35] <jjesse> i could have come and visted you
[05:36] <Hobbsee> awww!  woudl have been great to do it!
[05:36] <Hobbsee> and praetor, depending on where you went
[05:36] <jjesse> i know i was pretty bummed
[05:45] <jjesse> yeah it would have been awesome
[05:45] <jjesse> don't know if the wife would have enjoyed it, but i would have :)
[05:45] <jjesse> btw if i'm the only user on my system and change my password, sudo will still work correctly right?
[05:46] <Hobbsee> would expect so
[05:46] <Hobbsee> even if you werent the only user
[05:46] <Hobbsee> changing your UID might, though
[05:46] <jjesse> ok
[05:46] <jjesse> just curious, never tried it
[05:47] <Hobbsee> ah
[05:48] <jjesse> for some reason i have less pages then last chpt due to some of the great changesmade
[05:48] <Hobbsee> ah
[05:48] <nixternal> jjesse: main, restricted, universe and multiverse are enabled now in Feisty
[05:48] <Hobbsee> woot :)
[05:49] <nixternal> hehe
[05:49] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee and jjesse
[05:49] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal :)
[05:50] <jjesse> hiya nixternal
[05:51] <jjesse> can someone define what exactly the splash screen is and why i might wnat to change it?
[05:52] <nixternal> jjesse: which splash screen?
[05:53] <Hobbsee> ksplash, or usplash?
[05:53] <jjesse> the splash screeen i can change from system settings
[05:53] <nixternal> there is the usplash which is the boot screen during boot up, then there is the ksplash which is what you see when you log in
[05:53] <nixternal> then there are splash screens for stuff like Amarok, K3b and such
[05:54] <jjesse> so usplash is what i can configure from system settings under look and feel?
[05:54] <nixternal> jjesse: that is the splash (ksplash) which shows the startup process after login with icons and text
[05:54] <nixternal> ksplash is under system settings
[05:54] <nixternal> usplash you would configure from /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:54] <jjesse> i think i mispoke in the last rev of the chpt
[05:55] <jjesse> nixternal: are you snowed in??? I heard part of chi-town got 8.8 inches?
[05:55] <nixternal> we got just over 10" yesterday
[05:56] <nixternal> and they never closed the uni
[05:56] <jjesse> that's a bummer
[05:56] <nixternal> everything else was closed, but not school
[05:56] <nixternal> I have some nice 4' to 8' drifts out back
[05:56] <nixternal> we had about a 12' drift on the side of the house in between our house and the neighbors house
[05:56] <jjesse> wow
[05:56] <jjesse> it just drifted here
[05:57] <jjesse> the guy that plows my driveway was complainng that .7 inches of snow is turning into 2ft in some locations
[05:57] <jjesse> i laughed at him
[05:57] <nixternal> I took a shovel and chopped away at the base for laughs and when it fell, oh man did it knock me silly
[05:58] <jjesse> i bet that was funny
[05:59] <Hobbsee> seele: heh.  you pong'd slightly too late
[05:59] <Hobbsee> seele: which is the most sensible order to put the logout buttons in?  see backscroll for more info
[06:27] <Czessi> Hobbsee: Hi, do you or another one update the amarok package in kubuntu.org/packages (magnatune2.diff) ?
[06:28] <Tonio_> hi ;)
[06:28] <Czessi> Hi
[06:28] <Tonio_> Czessi: dunno for amarok
[06:28] <Hobbsee> Czessi: i will/have
[06:29] <Hobbsee> Czessi: there's a freeze on at the moment
[06:29] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: if you uploaded it now, it'll just sit in the queue, right?
[06:30] <Czessi> Hobbsee: the edgy backport too? http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-145/pool-edgy/amarok/
[06:30] <Hobbsee> Czessi: not yet.  will have to wait for feisty's to be uploaded for that, i expect
[06:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: where's the magnatude patch ?
[06:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I can upload today, when the freeze ends
[06:33] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/amarok.debdiff
[06:33] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: and other patches that upstream asked us to put in (regressions)
[06:33] <Czessi> Hobbsee: ok
[06:33] <Tonio_> Hobbsee, Czessi: will upload today
[06:34] <Czessi> Tonio_: great
[06:35] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: thanks
[06:46] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[06:47] <Hobbsee> heya
[06:48] <dinosaur-rus> Tonio_: please check and fix mime data in KDE (for example, "Archive Tar compacte par Gzip" for gzipped tarballs)
[06:48] <Jucato> er.. darn I'm late...
[06:49] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: there's no update to ksmserver yet... :(
[06:49] <Hobbsee> dinosaur-rus: of course not, we're in a darned freeze.  and did you file the mime data bug as requested?
[06:49] <Hobbsee> dinosaur-rus: most people will not just drop everything and code you a fix, you know...
[06:50] <Tonio_> dinosaur-rus: what is the issue for mimetypes ?
[06:51] <Tonio_> dinosaur-rus: archives are frozen, that's why you didn't get any update
[06:51] <dinosaur-rus> Hobbsee: recently _StefanS_ fixed logout screen bug (broken buttons, etc.) and said an update will be available soon
[06:51] <Tonio_> dinosaur-rus: that'll be updated when the archives are unfrozen
[06:51] <Hobbsee> dinosaur-rus: yes, but we're in a main freeze, as !schedule would tell you
[06:55] <dinosaur-rus> Tonio_: I apologize, that's not your mistake. it's something wrong with KDE -- for some types it selects wrong language... :(
[06:55] <Tonio_> dinosaur-rus: hum, you get them in french ?
[06:56] <dinosaur-rus> Tonio_: not all
[06:56] <Tonio_> french desktop ?
[06:57] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: _Stefan sent e a patch over his patch with fucked up headers :'(
[06:57] <Tonio_> pain to apply this..........
[06:57] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: sorry?
[06:58] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: which was this?
[06:58] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: the new logout patch isn't a kdebase patch
[06:58] <dinosaur-rus> Tonio_: ahhh... kick my head... :) they ALL are in French, but KDE is in English (so it should use English for everything)
[06:58] <Tonio_> it is a diff for his diff for kdebase :/
[06:58] <Hobbsee> ah
[06:58] <Hobbsee> lovelyy
[06:58] <Hobbsee> that's about as stupid as introducing a patch system, to patch something in debian/
[06:59] <Tonio_> let's apply the match manually I think......
[06:59] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: bet it didnt apply then....
[06:59] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you should be able to apply the patch just to his diff?
[06:59] <Tonio_> dinosaur-rus: never heaard about that issue, that's very strange.......
[06:59] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yeah but well that's a pain to apply ;)
[06:59] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: is it?
[07:00] <Hobbsee> i mean, that's what it does for debian files
[07:00] <Hobbsee> er, for upstream files
[07:01] <Tonio_> well what I can do is to apply patches without his patches
[07:01] <Tonio_> make 2 copies, then apply his patches, then diff again........ pleasure....
[07:02] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i thought you could just take the original pathc, modify the new patch to actually patch the original patch, and then put the newlypatchedoriginalpatch into debian/patches?
[07:02] <Hobbsee> or am i missing something major here?
[07:02] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: how so ?
[07:03] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: can you pastebin the patch taht he sent you, and the original patch, that you're patching?
[07:03] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it is not a patch update, it is a diff to his diff :)
[07:03] <Tonio_> well not exactly
[07:03] <Tonio_> it is a diff for kdebase that considers his first diff is already applied
[07:03] <Tonio_> I have to merge the 2 patches isn fact
[07:04] <Tonio_> I don't know if that's clear ?
[07:04] <Hobbsee> yeah, it is now.
[07:04] <Tonio_> hos second patch can only apply when the first is already applied
[07:04] <Hobbsee> can you pastebin both of them?
[07:04] <Hobbsee> yup
[07:04] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: don't mind, I'll just do it, but I'll have to explain him how to do in the future ;)
[07:04] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: heh
[07:04] <Tonio_> cause doing this + test is a big waste of time :)
[07:04] <Hobbsee> treu that
[07:11] <dinosaur-rus> Tonio_: if KDE developers fix that thing, will it be packaged (i.e. will it be considered as important fix)?
[07:11] <Hobbsee> for SRU?
[07:11] <Tonio_> dinosaur-rus: if your issue is confirmed yes, of course
[07:11] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: good point :) I was talking about feisty
[07:12] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: when you shift + suppr and it doesn't has for confirmation, how to revert back ? I can't find that...
[07:12] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: found it ! sorry :)
[07:13] <Tonio_> dinosaur-rus: if that closes a kde bug, I'll fix for feisty, but probably not for edgy...
[07:14] <dinosaur-rus> Tonio_: I'm on Feisty ;)
[07:14] <Tonio_> dinosaur-rus: so it'll be fix
[07:14] <Tonio_> dinosaur-rus: but I can't reproduce your issue, I am french, so my desktop is just perfect :)
[07:15] <dinosaur-rus> :)
[07:16] <Tonio_> dinosaur-rus: did someone already confirmed the issue for you ?
[07:17] <Tonio_> I'm surprised to hear about that for the first time
[07:17] <dinosaur-rus> Tonio_: not yet because I thought it's Kubuntu-specific problem :S
[07:18] <dinosaur-rus> Tonio_: so I'm filling a bug report
[07:18] <Tonio_> dinosaur-rus: that's the good approach yes :)
[07:21] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: you didn't tell your opinion concerning the little zoom effect for the desktop ?
[07:22] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: did i know about it?  :P
[07:22] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: zoom in effect for the desktop?
[07:22] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: the konqueror effect on execute
[07:22] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: we discussed about it 2 days ago remember ?
[07:22] <Hobbsee> er, no?
[07:22] <Tonio_> let me show tou :)
[07:23] <Tonio_> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=52994
[07:23] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: packages are available on my repo for testing
[07:23] <Tonio_> http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org
[07:23] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: just have to add my repo and dist-upgrade, then restart kde
[07:23] <Tonio_> looks to me like just working
[07:24] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: but i'd like to get the maximum feedback before adding it
[07:24] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ohhh...that...
[07:24] <Tonio_> yes
[07:25] <Hobbsee> looks nice, didnt test it on my system
[07:25] <Tonio_> okay ;)
[07:27] <dinosaur-rus> now I have to go. cya and good luck! ;)
[08:56] <fabo> Tonio_: i have updated kwlan package
[08:57] <Tonio_> fabo: ah great
[08:57] <Tonio_> fabo: UVF exception ?
[08:57] <Tonio_> fabo: universe is upstream version frozen
[08:58] <fabo> Tonio_: yes, UVFe will follow
[08:58] <Tonio_> fabo: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kwlan can't see your 0.6.0 upload...
[08:58] <Tonio_> okay perfect, I'm leaving this then :) thanks for the job !
[08:59] <fabo> Tonio_: yes, my sponsor must upload it to debian this morning then i ask a sync.
[08:59] <fabo> np
[08:59] <Tonio_> fabo: concerning klibido you should sync the patches, I've updated the nzb one
[08:59] <fabo> i know ;)
[08:59] <Tonio_> fabo: there was an issue cleaning args
[08:59] <fabo> utnubu feed is great
[09:00] <Tonio_> hehe ;)
[09:00] <Tonio_> yes that's very usefull for the debian maintainers who care about ubuntu patches :)
[09:01] <Tonio_> sad thing about klibido is that it seems unmaintained....
[09:01] <Tonio_> very sad since the base is very nice, but unstable...
[09:01] <Tonio_> it freezes when you let it 10 minutes idle, I don't know why
[09:02] <Tonio_> I hope upstream will at least provide a kde4 port of this
[09:03] <fabo> Tonio_: upstream don't want to let klibido to someone atm
[09:03] <Tonio_> fabo: yes but well he doesn't maintain the code... 2 commits in one year...
[09:03] <fabo> i asked him if he don't have time to maintain it, he can ask for help ;)
[09:04] <fabo> there's someone on the ml, who seems motivated and want to take care of it
[09:04] <Tonio_> well the app will be forked by someone wanting to improve it then... sad but risks to happen
[09:04] <Tonio_> I can't understand those developpers who really want to keep the code for them even if they don't maintain it...
[09:04] <Tonio_> stupid
[09:04] <fabo> i saw some other interesting apps on kde-apps based on Qt4
[09:05] <Tonio_> et pis merde on est que deux je vois pas pourquoi on causerait en anglais hein :)
[09:05] <fabo> hehe :)
[09:05] <Tonio_> bref, la fiert de certains devs me rend malade
[09:05] <Tonio_> il fout plus rien, mais surtout pas question de laisser un autre mec coder  sa place....
[09:05] <fabo> oui, donc je commence  prospecter pour un remmplaant
[09:05] <Tonio_> monomaniaque, voila le terme
[09:06] <Tonio_> bah t'as bien raison, c'est potentiellement un des meilleurs grabbeurs toutes plateformes confondues
[09:06] <Tonio_> sauf qques problemes d'intgration et d'instalabilit
[09:06] <fabo> je sais pas si j'ai encore son mail ... il veut mme pas filer un acces au depot
[09:06] <Tonio_> mon patch est partiel, mais c'est un hack de merde
[09:07] <Tonio_> on devrait pouvoir foutre les nzb en queue via la session courante, depuis un double click sur un nzb, mais c'est aps facile a faire :)
[09:07] <Tonio_> j'ai tent de merger le truc en kuniqueapplication, mais ca marche pas
[09:07] <fabo> tu vois bien les patches qu'il y a sur le paquet, que je lui ai propos il y a presque 1 an ... mme pas commit
[09:07] <Tonio_> fabo: bah faut forker le bousin alors....
[09:08] <Tonio_> ca sera l'occaz de changer de nom :) vu que klibido, ca sonne assez porno aux oreilles de pas mal de monde
[09:08] <fabo> a force de faire des modifs. ce sera bientot le cas ;)
[09:08] <Tonio_> bien un nom de soft rital ca..... :)
[09:08] <fabo> lol :)
[09:08] <Tonio_> une chose est sure, ne commit pas mon patch, c'est pas super au point
[09:08] <fabo> c'est clair
[09:09] <Tonio_> faut que j'arrive  grer ca dans la session courante plutot qu'une nouvelle session a chaque fois
[09:09] <fabo> c'est pas grave en ce moment j'upload en experimental
[09:09] <Tonio_> si j'arrive a faire ca, avec un code un peu moins degueu, pourquoi pas
[09:09] <Tonio_> waip et puis bon ca fonctionne, mais c'est pas propre quoi
[09:09] <fabo> le freeze de etch commence a s'eterniser
[09:10] <Tonio_> le truc c'est que pour que ca marche faudrait que le code soit orient kuniqueapplication, mais ca demande beaucoup de code cette affaire...
[09:10] <Tonio_> a moins de faire une option de commande genre "addnzbtoqueue"
[09:10] <Tonio_> Jucato: hehe sorry we thought we were alone ;)
[09:10] <Jucato> it's ok
[09:11] <Jucato> I'm actually enjoying watching it :)
[09:11] <Jucato> please continue :D
[09:11] <Tonio_> Jucato: mais bon si c'est ton trip, ca me va :)
[09:12] <Jucato> seeing words I don't understand kinda makes me smile... maybe an effect of watching to much Anime lol
[09:12] <Tonio_> fabo: ceci dit je te souhaite bonne change pour trouver un remplaant :) le code a l'air propre, donc le projet doit tre reprenable par un bon codeur sans trop de problemes
[09:13] <Tonio_> Jucato: haha :)
[09:14] <Tonio_> je me demande ce qu'en penserait manchicken...
[09:14] <Tonio_> fabo: ca a l'air d'tre un bon codeur qui cherche un projet ;)
[09:15] <Tonio_> fabo: il a commit de bons trucs pour adept recemment...
[09:15] <Tonio_> fabo: y a aussi un autre gars ici : _Stefan
[09:15] <Tonio_> fabo: ca te dis que je leur en parle ?
[09:53] <_StefanS_> mornings
[09:53] <Jucato> moin _StefanS_
[09:53] <_StefanS_> Jucatooo
[09:54] <Jucato> :)
[09:55] <yuriy> heh reading stuff i halfway understand ^^ is interesting
[09:56] <Jucato> heh :)
[10:10] <Tonio_> hey _StefanS_ :)
[10:10] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: :) cheers on the update
[10:10] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: concerning your patch, I had hard time adding it !
[10:10] <_StefanS_> yessir cool
[10:10] <_StefanS_> Im running it now
[10:11] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: your patch is a diff done while the previous patch is already applied
[10:11] <Tonio_> I had to merge them
[10:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oh.. well I need a little lecture on that diff/debian business
[10:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I just end up diff'ing all files on my system
[10:12] <Jucato> _StefanS_: I think I need a whole semester on that :)
[10:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm sorry
[10:12] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that's not to blame you :)
[10:12] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that happens, especially when you learn diff, debdif and cdbs usage
[10:13] <Riddell> "cdbs takes away my sleep"
[10:13] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the idea not to rebuild the all patch is to use cdbs to edit your patch, I'll explain you the way it works !=
[10:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: hey ;)
[10:13] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes, we got to have a little session on that
[10:13] <_StefanS_> Riddell: hey
[10:13] <Riddell> morning all
[10:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: although it might be nice to have a cdbs-edit-diff alias sometimes
[10:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: it'll take you 10 minutes to figure out how to use it properly, and you'll obviously love that ;)
[10:15] <Tonio_> cdbs is genius
[10:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: seet
[10:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sweet even
[10:15] <_StefanS_> did you read my mail btw ?
[10:16] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but don't mind, I did so many crappy things when I started using debdiff and cdbs ;)
[10:16] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yes, I'd love the kdesu fade
[10:16] <Riddell> and I'd love the keep above flag on the kdesu window :)
[10:16] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: concerning the logout window, didn't you use the same i18n phrases than the previous one ?
[10:16] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: translation fails for me
[10:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: nope, we agreed that the text's should be changed.. remember ? :)
[10:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: End Session -> Log out
[10:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: minus 'computer' on all texts aswell
[10:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: I started to look at the kdesktop context menus translation issue, but I don't understand... it seems to be the same part of code than for konqueror, except the context menus are correct in konq...
[10:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I hope it'll be translated for the release ;)
[10:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: Can't we push that somehow ?
[10:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I agree smal text is better
[10:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: sure I'm just waiting for the archives to be opened
[10:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes.. no point in "shutdown computer" "restart computer" etc..
[10:19] <Tonio_> I have kdebase, kdelibs, amarok and kubuntu-default-settings packages to upload
[10:19] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the keep above all others are critical to whether this will be usable or not.
[10:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: the whole of kdesktop doesn't pick up translations
[10:19] <Riddell> _StefanS_: actually isn't not just keep above, it's also that it can't loose focus
[10:19] <_StefanS_> Riddell: If we cannot make the window to behave, then we better leave it
[10:20] <_StefanS_> Riddell: Well I think it can be set as well
[10:20] <Riddell> excellent stuff :)
[10:20] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I found a whole list of properties to stick on a window
[10:20] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I will do some testing with a simple app to see how it works
[10:21] <Riddell> may also be worth looking at the gksu code to see how it does it
[10:21] <_StefanS_> Riddell: in fact I messed around in gtk to find that specific net_wm_above* thing ;)
[10:21] <praetor> are there any new superkaramba packages in the latest feisty?
[10:21] <praetor> cause the current ones are very crash happy
[10:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ? I just noticed a few things untranslated.... how come the rest in french here then ?
[10:21] <_StefanS_> Riddell & Tonio_: I was thinking of doing exactly same fade as in ubuntu, instead of using the one for the logout which is more advanced. We dont want it to impose waits
[10:23] <Riddell> agreed, waits are bad
[10:24] <_StefanS_> I'm not very satisfied with the logout wait (2-3 secs), but it seems it is a Qt bug related to convertToImage
[10:24] <_StefanS_> If the desktop if != 24 bit
[10:24] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yes, waits on logout are not a problem, but with kdesu that can be painfull
[10:25] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: do you consider changing it for the logout too ?
[10:25] <Tonio_> I wouldn't oppose to this neither, as it is a bit slow, especially when using a crappy driver like nv
[10:26] <_StefanS_> 2secs, talking on the phone
[10:28] <_StefanS_> ok back
[10:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well I have thought about changing it, since I hate slow stuff
[10:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I will look into it while looking at the possibilities while hacking kdesu
[10:29] <_StefanS_> ehh that was a really weird sentence :)
[10:29] <_StefanS_> I will look at it hehe
[10:30] <Tonio_> okay ;)
[10:31] <fabo> Tonio_: desol le boss m'a coup ;)
[10:32] <fabo> donc, je vais relancer une derniere fois l'upstream et je te tiens au courant s'il faut commencer un fork
[10:33] <_StefanS_> well I better do some paid work ... talk to you guys later
[10:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: have your kopete changes gone in?
[10:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: my kopete changes ? ah the contact list theme, yes it is already in the archives
[10:41] <Riddell> doesn't look any different to me
[10:41] <Tonio_> the patch + the default theme
[10:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: default config is changed...
[10:41] <Riddell> I'm on a live CD
[10:41] <Riddell> the background is more blue
[10:41] <Tonio_> hu ???
[10:41] <Tonio_> that's it
[10:41] <Tonio_> the contact list has a backgrond
[10:41] <Tonio_> and the theme is different
[10:42] <Riddell> muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kopete.png
[10:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture19.png
[10:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's it you have the changes...
[10:43] <Tonio_> default theme is changed and contactlist background is there too
[10:43] <Tonio_> that's normal :)
[10:44] <Riddell> groovy, can you put that on the Herd 4 page?
[10:44] <Tonio_> sure
[10:44] <Tm_T> http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png
[10:45] <Tm_T> Tidam...
[10:45] <Riddell> aw man, I thought they'd gone all civilized and banned smoking in france
[10:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is banned in public, yes, not at home hehe :)
[10:45] <Tm_T> Riddell: They
[10:45] <Tm_T> hmh
[10:46] <_StefanS_> Tm_T: cool background !
[10:46] <Tm_T> They're french, what did you expect?
[10:46] <Tonio_> I'm sick of that way to forbit everything....
[10:46] <Riddell> Tm_T: now that looks different
[10:46] <Tonio_> don't smoke, don't drink, don't phone cellphones are dangerous
[10:46] <Tonio_> don't play video games, that's dangerous for your mind
[10:47] <Tonio_> do NOTHING !
[10:47] <Tm_T> Riddell: Hmm, and that's how my desktop looks when I move back towards "kde default"
[10:47] <Tonio_> you'll be bored all your life and die happy.....
[10:47] <Tonio_> I agree non-smokers are prior, that's normal, but forbidding everything makes me sh...
[10:48] <Riddell> uh oh, Tonio's turned into a Daily Mail reader
[10:48] <Tm_T> Can't hate Oxygen icons & colours <3
[10:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think I should read daily mail then :)
[10:48] <mhb> morning all
[10:48] <Riddell> kopete has an option to hide the scrollbar on the contacts list.  that's so KDE
[10:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes that's ridiculous....
[10:49] <Tm_T> Riddell: :)
[10:49] <Tm_T> I never liked scrollbar in contactlist.
[10:49] <mhb> me neither
[10:49] <Tm_T> And my contactlist has bigger pictures than yours!
[10:54] <mhb> has anyone experienced KMail trouble lately?
[10:54] <Tm_T> I have.
[10:54] <Tm_T> Stupid MDN stuff I can't get off.
[10:55] <mhb> hmm, mine can't even check for new mail
[10:56] <Tm_T> Ouch.
[10:56] <mhb> it says "no new messages" even though it hasn't checked at all
[11:06] <praetor> Riddell: is there going to be new entries in the meta-release file for kubuntu, or will the same upgrader tool work for both ubuntu and kubuntu, based on the cmd line flag passed to it?
[11:07] <_StefanS_> praetor: have you tested the latest logout ?
[11:07] <_StefanS_> praetor: you had some problems with it, right ?
[11:07] <Riddell> praetor: the same tool will work for both
[11:07] <Riddell> praetor: what I'm not sure about is the release notes
[11:07] <praetor> _StefanS_: not I, i'm still capped for another 6 days
[11:09] <_StefanS_> praetor: oka
[11:13] <Tonio_> stupid question but how can we upload images to the wiki ?
[11:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm adding the stuff in with screenshots, but I don't find the upload image function :)
[11:16] <Tonio_> may sounds stupid but I really can't find that....
[11:18] <Jucato> Tonio_: not sure if this helps: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpOnLinking
[11:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: I've never worked that out, I just enter a URL
[11:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah.... the source code looks like it uses internal images
[11:19] <Tonio_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd4/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=smadept-software-properties.png
[11:19] <Tonio_> probably changed when you submit the page then....
[11:21] <Jucato> Herd 4 is out tomorrow/later?
[11:22] <Tonio_> Jucato: I think today....
[11:23] <Jucato> ah
[11:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you had those images to the page ?
[11:24] <Tonio_> it seems like they are attached to the page, I'd like to do the same... looks possible but undocumented...
[11:27] <Tonio_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd4/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=kicker-layout.png
[11:28] <Tonio_> Jucato: how the hell does that come into the page ?
[11:28] <Jucato> heh I don't know either... nixternal would probably know best
[11:28] <Tonio_> :'( I hate when I can't find easy things like this
[11:29] <Jucato> Tonio_: not entirely your fault though... if you can't find instructions for it... then it's a documentation problem :)
[11:29] <Tonio_> Jucato: please :)
[11:29] <Tonio_> nixternal: ping ?
[11:30] <Jucato> 4:32 AM...
[11:32] <Tonio_> Jucato: err, true :) that'll wait for nixternal then :) herd4 will not be out that soon, so no pb ;)
[11:32] <Jucato> hehe
[11:51] <Riddell> ooh, basket 1.0 got in
[12:03] <sebas> What's manchicken's email?
[12:08] <Riddell> manchicken@notsosoft. net
[12:22] <sebas> Riddell: Thanks
[01:05] <Hobbsee> oh dear
[01:05] <Hobbsee> seen -ops yet?  :)
[01:05] <Jucato> gonna read the backlog :)
[01:06] <Jucato> oh, and congrats :)
[01:06] <Hobbsee> thanks :)
[01:09] <Jucato> hm.. anything else I should know about? easily got lost between your ML reply and SeveasCOOTIES :)
[01:10] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:13] <Jucato> Hobbsee: btw, regarding basket 1.0
[01:13] <Hobbsee> Jucato: hrm? it synced, i saw
[01:14] <Jucato> I compiled it from source on Edgy. The funny thing is that it's automatically added to Kontact. But you can't see it in Select Components
[01:15] <Hobbsee> at the bottom
[01:15] <Hobbsee> oh, dunno about compiling it form source though
[01:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: you seem to be in love with basket aren't you ? :)
[01:15] <Hobbsee> if you didnt have kdepim-dev installed
[01:15] <Jucato> Hobbsee: KDE 3.5.6?
[01:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: I've never used it
[01:16] <Jucato> ah maybe an update Kontact? I asked in #kontact. iirc someone said it's a known issue... oh well :)
[01:16] <Riddell> Hobbsee: are you taking care of the packages fabo e-mailed about?
[01:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'd have to double check which they were.  i'm helping to, yes
[01:16] <Jucato> Hobbsee: oh scratch that... a restart seem to make everything work now... bah
[01:16] <Hobbsee> Jucato: heh
[01:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, sorry for the stupid comment then ;)
[01:18] <Jucato> Tonio_: Hobbsee's the one that's in love with baskets :)
[01:20] <praetor> Riddell: neat, I see you filled in launchDistUpdater() hehe, I was just about to
[01:20] <Hobbsee> Jucato: :P
[01:21] <Riddell> praetor: we should be almost ready for testing too
[01:21] <praetor> Riddell: excellent. uncapped on the 21st so 6 days
[01:21] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[01:22] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I'm sure it is
[01:22] <Hobbsee> oh, it is.  twice
[01:22] <Riddell> yes :)
[01:23] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/85329
[01:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85329 in amarok "amarok_1.4.5-0ubuntu4 need libgpod 0.4.2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[01:24] <Hobbsee> has anyone uploaded my new version yet?
[01:25] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: this morning Hobbsee said your fix for logout screen won't be available because things got frozen :)
[01:25] <Hobbsee> dinosaur-rus: things are still frozen.  see #ubuntu-devel, and the lack of release announcement
[01:25] <Hobbsee> dinosaur-rus: no matter what you say, you cant shove that through.
[01:26] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: debdiff updated, for when you want to upload
[01:26] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: Tonio_ uploaded it last night
[01:26] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: where "it" is?
[01:26] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: I might have downloaded it from Tonio_'s repository though..
[01:27] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: what do you mean by that sentence ? :)
[01:28] <_StefanS_> Where is that where "it", though "it" was ... just a cryptic
[01:28] <Hobbsee> [23:26]  <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: Tonio_ uploaded it last night  <-- amarok, or your changes
[01:28] <Hobbsee> ?
[01:28] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: updated ksmserver
[01:28] <Hobbsee> right
[01:28] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: I was told it could be added after thursday
[01:28] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: new version is up, at the same address, for you ot upload
[01:28] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: yep.  that's correct
[01:29] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: it will be available after this thursday
[01:29] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: I'm talking about my changes ofcourse
[01:29] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: gotcha :)
[01:29] <_StefanS_> :D
[01:29] <_StefanS_> sorry for mixing stuff up
[01:29] <Hobbsee> it's fine
[01:30] <Jucato> is he still alive? :)
[01:30] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: ok, I'm waiting ;)
[01:30] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yes, he was just in -motu
[01:30] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: it works great though.. you could try it out now from Tonio_'s repos
[01:30] <Jucato> Hobbsee: oh glad to hear that :)
[01:31] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: look at the pm
[01:32] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: pm?
[01:32] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: thats a private message...
[01:32] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: I know what is "pm", just I didn't receive any private messages... :/
[01:33] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: you should
[01:33] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: nothing... :/
[01:34] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: what about now
[01:35] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: still nothing... try again (I've changed some settings)
[01:38] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: you registered?
[01:38] <Hobbsee> oh, you are identified
[01:39] <dinosaur-rus> Hobbsee: that was due to privacy settings :) now it's ok
[01:39] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: on the phone
[01:41] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:50] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: I'm registered
[01:51] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: yes, saw that, eventually
[01:51] <_StefanS_> ok
[01:55] <Hobbsee> woke up a fair bit, when work went crazy...but still...
[01:55] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: so its at night in au ?
[01:55] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: dont know the difference between dk and au
[01:55] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: time difference
[01:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: I notice that your launchpad integration for rosetta package has an issue...
[01:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: example : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+sources/konversation/+translate
[01:56] <Tonio_> it links to that, shouldn't that be https://translations.launchpad.net/konversation/+translations instead ?
[01:58] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: yeah, midnight
[02:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: hmm, that should be controlled by the launchpad-intergration tools
[02:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: well the point is that I always do on a bad page ;) not good !
[02:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe launchpad-integration needs fixing...
[02:16] <dinosaur-rus> sorry, gaim's crazyness :)
[02:18] <Lure> mhb: re kmail issues> this may be related to recent network status patchaes - do you use knetworkmanager and have networkstatus package installed?
[02:22] <Tonio_> hum kdeprint errors again....
[02:23] <Tonio_> it complains my pdd file is invalid.... no issue with localhost:631
[02:24] <mhb> Lure: knetworkmanager is on here, but it doesn't work with my wlan iface sadly
[02:24] <mhb> (even Ubuntu's manager doesn't)
[02:24] <_StefanS_> mhb: could you please test the new logout ?
[02:24] <Lure> mhb: that might be it - maybe it gives wrong status to networkstatus
[02:25] <Lure> mhb: does doing manual mail check work at least?
[02:25] <_StefanS_> mhb: just add Tonio_'s repos, and update
[02:25] <mhb> _StefanS_: okay, will do
[02:25] <nixternal> Tonio_: pong?
[02:25] <Tonio_> nixternal: hi ;)
[02:25] <mhb> Lure: manual as in?
[02:25] <Tonio_> nixternal: I wondered how do you attach images to a wikipage ?
[02:26] <Lure> mhb: click the toolbar icon (i.e. not interval check)
[02:26] <mhb> Lure: no, that fails too
[02:26] <nixternal> [http://url/to/big/image http://url/to/small/image] 
[02:26] <mhb> Lure: just says "No new messages" in a second, without even checking
[02:26] <Lure> Tonio_: you just write attachement:<name> and then you can upload
[02:27] <Lure> mhb: that is probably it...
[02:27] <mhb> Lure: but it seems to work when knetworkmanager is off
[02:27] <Riddell> hmm, I just did an alternate install which sets up /etc/network/interfaces so network manager doesn't get used, and KDE doesn't want to connect to any website
[02:27] <mhb> Lure: so I guess that's it
[02:28] <mhb> _StefanS_: what are Tonio_ 's repos, btw.? :o)
[02:28] <Lure> mhb: what does "dcop kded networkstatus status pop.mailhost.com" return (replace with your mail hostname)
[02:28] <Tonio_> mhb: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org
[02:28] <mhb> thanks Tonio_ :o)
[02:29] <_StefanS_> mhb: deb http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org/ feisty main
[02:30] <mhb> Lure: "1" when knetworkmanager is off, "6" when on
[02:30] <_StefanS_> by the way, if anyone needs some webspace, I have 1gb to spare... I can provide web/filemanager, unfortunately no ftp access
[02:31] <Lure> mhb: I get 8 here...
[02:32] <mhb> Lure: not sure what that means, though
[02:33] <Lure> mhb: 6 is for diconnected (afair)
[02:33] <Lure> mhb: I will try to look into this later this evening... For the time being you may try to disbale networkstatus service in kded
[02:33] <Lure> mhb: this should get you back old behaviour
[02:35] <Tonio_> hum, kdeprint really doesn't accept providing a pdd file manually.... even when it works, there is no way to get the driver's infos...
[02:35] <mhb> _StefanS_: it works
[02:35] <_StefanS_> mhb: goody
[02:35] <mhb> _StefanS_: is there any difference from the last one?
[02:35] <Lure> mhb: does keyboard key work for selection action?
[02:36] <_StefanS_> mhb: well a few.. tab and cursor movement works, sizing should be fixed
[02:36] <mhb> Lure: yup
[02:36] <_StefanS_> mhb: and a few other things
[02:36] <mhb> works nicely
[02:36] <Lure> _StefanS_: great work! looking forward to try it myself ;-)
[02:36] <mhb> I dislike the logout and restart icons, though
[02:36] <mhb> they seem to be resized too much
[02:36] <_StefanS_> mhb: talk to kwwii and Riddell and Tonio_ and whoever to change that :D
[02:37] <Lure> mhb: use oxygen ;-)
[02:37] <_StefanS_> Lure: are the oxygen icons available somewhere, or are you joking ? :)
[02:37] <Riddell> only log out is resized, we'll change that one
[02:37] <Riddell> oxygen isn't available for use
[02:37] <Lure> _StefanS_: from kde svn - there is script to build the icon theme
[02:37] <mhb> Lure: I would, but I should be testing the stuff people see when using Kubuntu :o)
[02:37] <_StefanS_> Lure: could you throw a screenshot ?
[02:37] <Lure> Riddell: it is avaialbale for use, but not for distributing
[02:37] <_StefanS_> Lure: like to see it
[02:38] <Riddell> Lure: well yes, I ment use in Kubuntu
[02:38] <Lure> _StefanS_: hibernate/suspend are still ugly
[02:38] <mhb> Riddell: hmm ... if you take a look at those icons you'll see a black line at the border of the Restart one
[02:38] <mhb> Riddell: at least I see tht
[02:38] <Riddell> mhb: I can't see that
[02:39] <mhb> I'll post a screenshot then
[02:44] <mhb> http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/7514/logoutdetailrf4.png
[02:44] <mhb> actually all of the icons look resized to me
[02:45] <_StefanS_> mhb: whats the size of your desktop icons ?
[02:45] <mhb> I could be wrong, though
[02:45] <Lure> _StefanS_: http://lure.lu.funpic.de/tmp/Logout.png
[02:45] <_StefanS_> mhb: i use 48x48
[02:46] <_StefanS_> Lure: yes I see..
[02:46] <_StefanS_> Lure: however that other icons look really cool
[02:46] <mhb> _StefanS_: 64, which is not default, I know
[02:46] <mhb> Lure: the oxygen ones look much cooler than the crystal ones :o)
[02:46] <mhb> I like them too
[02:47] <_StefanS_> mhb: that is why... I don't think the regular icon scheme in kubuntu has 96x96
[02:47] <_StefanS_> mhb: I think it does a fallback and then scales 48x48 upwards
[02:47] <Lure> mhb: we just need to ask nuno or kwwii to add suspend & hibernate to oxygen soon ;-)
[02:48] <mhb> Lure: the only trouble is that the same icon is used for "reload page" and "restart computer"
[02:48] <_StefanS_> Lure: where in the svn tree are those icons ?
[02:48] <mhb> Lure: because the "back" "forward" and "reload" icons all look consistently
[02:48] <Lure> mhb: I think this is beacuse _StefanS_ uses reload for restart ;-)
[02:48] <mhb> Lure: actually KDE does :(
[02:48] <_StefanS_> yep I do
[02:49] <mhb> the former dialogue did that too
[02:49] <Lure> _StefanS_: /trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen
[02:49] <mhb> _StefanS_: trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen
[02:49] <mhb> :o)
[02:49] <_StefanS_> thnx
[02:50] <mhb> _StefanS_: by the way - is your shutdown dialog translatable?
[02:50] <mhb> _StefanS_: just making sure :o)
[02:50] <_StefanS_> mhb: yes
[02:50] <mhb> great
[02:50] <_StefanS_> ofcourse ;)
[02:50] <mhb> now only if they opened Feisty translations
[02:50] <_StefanS_> mhb: talked to tonio about that coz he was complaining it didn't work in his inferior language ;O
[02:50] <Lure> _StefanS_: just do "cd Oxygen/theme/svg ; ../../utils/generate_oxy_theme.sh"
[02:50] <Tm_T> Uff.
[02:50] <Lure> _StefanS_: you need inkscape and imagemagick installed (afair)
[02:51] <Tm_T> I never run those scripts like that.
[02:51] <_StefanS_> Lure: oka.. I think i have
[02:51] <Lure> Tm_T: ?
[02:51] <Tm_T> Ofcourse you should edit them to fit to your needs. :)
[02:51] <Lure> Tm_T: I do not edit them at all
[02:51] <Tm_T> Lure: I do, for a good reason.
[02:52] <Lure> _StefanS_: kwwii and nuno (two oxygen authors) are good friends of kubuntu ;-)
[02:52] <Tm_T> _StefanS_: Found what?
[02:52] <nixternal> Hobbsee: Congratulations! YAY!!! \o/
[02:52] <_StefanS_> Lure: sweet
[02:53] <Hobbsee> nixternal: :)
[02:54] <mhb> Hobbsee: what's the news I forgot about? :o)
[02:54] <_StefanS_> Lure: how did you check up those icons specifically ?
[02:54] <Lure> _StefanS_: check up?
[02:54] <_StefanS_> sorry check out ;D
[02:54] <Tm_T> ?
[02:55] <Lure> _StefanS_: http://developer.kde.org/source/anonsvn.html
[02:55] <Lure> _StefanS_: svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen
[02:55] <Hobbsee> mhb: ljl and i got announced as the new people for the irc council
[02:55] <_StefanS_> thanks
[02:56] <_StefanS_> Lure: I figured it out hehe
[02:56] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: Yay!
[02:56] <mhb> Hobbsee: congratulations then
[02:57] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:58] <Riddell> _StefanS_: note that there's no free licence on those icons yet
[02:58] <_StefanS_> noted
[02:59] <_StefanS_> just curious to test them
[03:00] <Lure> Riddell: COPYING is very clear anyhow...
[03:02] <seele> Hobbsee: kwii let me in on the problem, i told him id think about it
[03:02] <seele> Hobbsee: the order has been something of a lot of discussion over the years
[03:03] <Hobbsee> seele: right, yep
[03:03] <Jucato> nixternal: Tonio_ was looking for help earlier about how to upload images to the wiki
[03:04] <Jucato> nixternal: btw, moin! :)
[03:04] <nixternal> moin moin
[03:04] <nixternal> Jucato: already hit him up :)
[03:04] <Tonio_> nixternal: well when I look at your herd4 page, urls for images are like this :
[03:04] <Tonio_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd4/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=adept-debconf.png
[03:05] <Tonio_> the point is not how to make a link, I know that, but how do you upload the image ;)
[03:05] <Jucato> Tonio_: btw, was the joined Reload/Stop button added in Kubuntu's KDE 3.5.6 only?
[03:05] <nixternal> when you are on the page you want to upload an image, in the drop down box up top, select attachments
[03:06] <Tonio_> nixternal: I couldn't find this one, let me check...
[03:07] <nixternal> you damn programmers can code the world, yet you can add an attachment to a simple wiki page :D
[03:07] <nixternal> arg
[03:07] <gnomefreak> lol
[03:07] <nixternal> s/can add/can't add
[03:07] <nixternal> I guess after reading countless help pages
[03:07] <Tonio_> nixternal: I may be blind but I can't find it
[03:07] <_StefanS_> nice icons indeed :)
[03:08] <Tonio_> where the hell is it ?
[03:08] <nixternal> Tonio_: are you logged in?
[03:08] <Tonio_> nixternal: of course...
[03:08] <_StefanS_> Lure: going to real cool those icons :)
[03:08] <_StefanS_> Lure: to be
[03:08] <nixternal> Show Parent     Edit     Show Changes    Get Info     Unsubscribe       More
[03:08] <nixternal> err
[03:08] <nixternal> More Actions:
[03:09] <nixternal> it is under the More Actions: dropdown
[03:09] <Tonio_> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[03:09] <Tonio_> that's hidden.... why isn't there an action button on the edit page ? that's stupid, really...
[03:09] <gnomefreak> oh sweet
[03:09] <nixternal> hehe, yes it is
[03:09] <gnomefreak> when was that added?
[03:09] <nixternal> gnomefreak: 2+ years ago :)
[03:09] <Tonio_> nixternal: the kicker layout isn't exact, there is 4 pannels by default :)
[03:10] <gnomefreak> never noticed it before
[03:10] <nixternal> ahh, well whoever posted the image left a note saying 2
[03:10] <Tonio_> nixternal: it was supposed to be but we finally let 4
[03:10] <Tonio_> mostly because I couldn't find a way to change to 2 hehe :)
[03:10] <nixternal> I will admit the structure of our wiki is bad, and the help isn't there. I just filed a bug to get this cleaned up, updated, and fixed
[03:10] <nixternal> ahh
[03:11] <nixternal> haha
[03:11] <Tonio_> so we need a new screenshot from the livecd
[03:11] <nixternal> I have that here
[03:11] <nixternal> let me get that and update that page then
[03:11] <Tonio_> nixternal: how do you do the small snapshots with shadow ?
[03:11] <mhb> adept_manager's Manage Repositories doesn't work yet, but you most probably know that
[03:11] <Tonio_> I'd like to do clean, so same way as you :)
[03:11] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: I've read that ATI Linux drivers for R480 and newer chips are open-source :)
[03:12] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: err where ? :)
[03:12] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: I have a FireGL v5200/256mb and that is still blobbed
[03:12] <nixternal> Tonio_: Gimp. I resize the big shot down to 250px wide, Script-fu drop shaddow, then settings are 4, 4, 8, and 50%. Then I add a white background, then merge all layers (Ctrl+M Enter), resize it back to 250px wide to keep everything the same
[03:13] <Tonio_> nixternal: :'(
[03:14] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_Technologies#Operating_system_drivers : "ATI currently provides proprietary drivers for Microsoft Windows XP, Mac OS X, and Linux. Linux users have the option of both the old proprietary (R200 and above) and new open source (R480 and below) drivers."
[03:15] <gnomefreak> how close are we to herd4 release?
[03:15] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: Well above R480, which I think is Radeon 9600, it still binary all the way
[03:15] <_StefanS_> it/its
[03:15] <Tonio_> dinosaur-rus: hum, ATI going to opensource ? very, very astonishing :)
[03:17] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: R480 is Radeon X850
[03:17] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: well then its without 3d ..
[03:17] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: because they are hanging very much onto that for competitive advantages
[03:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that explains :)
[03:17] <_StefanS_> radeonfb sucks ass
[03:18] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: 3D graphics accelerator without 3D? :))
[03:18] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: yes.. cpu does the 3d with opensource drivers
[03:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: which is stupid since before the driver gets analysed, 2 new generations would be out
[03:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yea
[03:18] <Tonio_> intel published the centrino specs, that didn't cause them any issue to what I know...
[03:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: have you heard that intel wants to complete nvidia and ati now ?
[03:19] <Tonio_> with very high quality video chips ?
[03:19] <_StefanS_> ati sucks I think... and why the heck can't they add AIGLX (pixmap_from_whateever) like nvidia did long time ago
[03:19] <Tonio_> by chance, I hope they'll continue to publish the specs, that would be great for linux
[03:19] <_StefanS_> yea I heard... donno how good their gfx will be
[03:19] <_StefanS_> they're somewhat behind on that are
[03:19] <_StefanS_> area
[03:20] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: good chips on motherboards means death of graphic cards
[03:20] <jdong> the GMA X3000 seems promising
[03:20] <Tonio_> has it did with networkcards or soundblaster cards a few years ago
[03:20] <jdong> guess we'll have to wait till Santa Rosa next month to see it happen.
[03:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes... but when the market starts to get tough I bet intel will close their specs
[03:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so ati and nvidia won't get too much help
[03:21] <_StefanS_> its all about the money
[03:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hum not sure, they didn't with the centrino even if they lead the market
[03:21] <Tonio_> amd could have stollen this.... same problem
[03:22] <_StefanS_> hmm well yes
[03:22] <_StefanS_> gotta go and grab the new linux format
[03:22] <_StefanS_> cu later
[03:22] <Tonio_> cu
[03:23] <Tonio_> OMG ! new french tv channel : nolifetv
[03:24] <Tonio_> designed to geeks...
[03:35] <nixternal> Tonio_: err, what is the name of that Kopete theme again?
[03:37] <nixternal> Tonio_: nevermind, I grep the logs :)
[03:38] <nixternal> Tonio_: added the Kopete theme and the Konqi Flash images and content :)
[03:39] <nixternal> alrighty, firing up vmware to get a new kicker screeny
[03:39] <Tonio_> nixternal: the name ?
[03:40] <Tonio_> nixternal: [15:14]  <Tonio_> new section for kopete new design, with Contact List Theme and TotallyClear as the default theme.
[03:41] <Jucato> Tonio_: a themeable contact list in Kopete :O
[03:42] <Tonio_> Jucato: yeah that's a patch I've found on kde-apps ;)
[03:42] <Jucato> heh I should have known. the kde-apps king :)
[03:42] <Jucato> bah!
[03:42] <Jucato> s/hobbit/habit/
[03:43] <Tm_T> Tonio_: TotallyClear?
[03:44] <Tonio_> Tm_T: yes
[03:44] <Tm_T> Any pic of that?
[03:44] <Tm_T> Can't remember seen that ever.
[03:45] <Tm_T> Tonio_: Nvm, I see it's in Feisty.
[03:45] <Tm_T> Hmm, why new style?!
[03:46] <Tm_T> Who's been doing this?
[03:47] <Jucato> is it this Kopete patch? Kopete Reloading Kit: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=49765&PHPSESSID=1ed72826345514284719837e061d2954
[03:47] <Tm_T> Jucato: Yes.
[03:47] <Tonio_> Jucato: yup
[03:47] <Jucato> ah kool
[03:47] <Tm_T> Tonio_: Who's been doing this "TotallyClear" ?
[03:48] <Tonio_> Tm_T: I don't know... it's on kde-look
[03:48] <Jucato> Tm_T: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=40874&PHPSESSID=d0270853285583ef2d430fe17364d742
[03:48] <Jucato> TotallyClear
[03:49] <Tm_T> Tonio_: Well, it doesn't need to be separate style.
[03:49] <Tonio_> Tm_T: you mean ?
[03:49] <Tm_T> IIRC that's only modified css, so it's variation.
[03:49] <Tm_T> Why not use variation capability?
[03:49] <Tonio_> Tm_T: not only, well it is a separate style on kde-look, so I installed it this way
[03:50] <Tonio_> Tm_T: mail the guy who did it :)
[03:50] <Tm_T> Tonio_: I'm pretty sure all those differences is made / can be made by variation.
[03:50] <Tm_T> An yes I will. :)
[04:00] <nixternal> Tonio_: alrighty, that page is complete. I will be heading to school shortly, so Riddell if the release occurs before 23:00, you can just wipe the top warning off of the Herd 4 page
[04:00] <nixternal> I have updated the images, and the Kicker image I cropped to prevent side-to-side scrolling to view the new layout
[04:01] <crimsun> want me to proof?
[04:04] <nixternal> crimsun: sure go ahead
[04:09] <crimsun> nixternal: url?
[04:10] <Jucato> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd4/Kubuntu
[04:14] <Tonio_> nixternal: many thanks :)
[04:15] <_StefanS_> anyone know some cool gadgets ? .. I thought about buying a mini pc for running linux
[04:26] <crimsun> nixternal: proofed/corrected.
[04:26] <nixternal> thanks, to school I go...yay!
[04:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you remove digikam from the seeds ?
[04:32] <Tonio_> apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop | grep digikam
[04:32] <Tonio_> gives me nothing
[04:34] <bddebian> Heya
[04:36] <Tonio_> argh removed by pitti...
[04:36] <Tonio_> * Removed digikam from desktop-i386
[04:36] <Tonio_> what the hell ?
[04:49] <Tonio_> keep space on the cd.....
[04:52] <Tonio_> honnestly we ship with 60 MB of WINDOWS apps and we remove digikam
[04:52] <Tonio_> I don't understand.......
[04:53] <Tonio_> for windows apps, there is the opencd
[04:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: honnestly, are we going to block the kubuntu development to ship windows ?
[04:58] <Tonio_> I can't understand we favor windows apps to linux ones on the cd when there is not enough space........
[04:58] <Tonio_> doesn't make sense !
[04:59] <mhb> I kind of agree with you
[05:00] <Tonio_> damn windows apps are optional, if we don't have enough space, we should remove them
[05:00] <Tonio_> I prefer to remove windows apps than linux ones !
[05:00] <Tonio_> and ship with new apps like twinkle...
[05:00] <Tm_T> Well, Firefox in CD is already outdated most of the time.
[05:00] <Tm_T> So drop it.
[05:00] <Tonio_> those who want free windows apps on a cd can use the opencd
[05:01] <mhb> the only app for windows I would like there is a GRUB reinstallation one
[05:01] <Tonio_> we can't ship digikam, digikamplugins, twinkle because of this
[05:01] <Tonio_> at least for the i386 cd, I know the problem is different for amd64
[05:02] <Tonio_> damn, what is kubuntu a linux distro or a software cd for windows ? !
[05:03] <mhb> calm down, man :o)
[05:04] <Tonio_> mhb: sorry but appart from internet I'm having a bad day, that explains :)
[05:04] <mhb> surely it can be discussed at a meeting or when other important devs are around
[05:06] <Jucato> :)
[05:06] <Tonio_> I agree that needs to be discussed, but honnestly, who already used the kubuntu cd to install windows apps ?
[05:06] <Jucato> I'm sure things can be worked out later :)
[05:13] <Tonio_> Jucato: well I know I'm a bit hard on that point, bue when I see all the things we cannot ship because of those windows apps, I'm getting mad...
[05:14] <Tonio_> no digikam or plugins, languages packs missing, twinkle etc...
[05:14] <Jucato> Tonio_: heh I agree with you. I hope Riddell agrees too :)
[05:21] <dinosaur-rus> Tonio_: 60 megabytes of Windows apps on Kubuntu CD??? O_o
[05:22] <fabo> Riddell: is it important to have last krusader in feisty ?
[05:23] <dinosaur-rus> fabo: I'm not Riddell, but why not?
[05:23] <fabo> Tonio_: and others comments ?
[05:24] <fabo> krusader 1.80.0-beta1 fixes more than 40 bugs ;)
[05:24] <Tonio_> fabo: well lots of people are fan of krusader, so if a new version is out, would be nice to have it I think...
[05:24] <fabo> and siretart asks if krusader is important for kubuntu ...
[05:25] <fabo> i would say: yes :)
[05:25] <Tonio_> it is for kde in general even if we don't ship it
[05:26] <dinosaur-rus> Tonio_: what Windows apps take 60MB of Kubuntu CD?
[05:27] <Tonio_> dinosaur-rus: all the apps that we ship with it (firefox, thinderbird etc...)
[05:27] <Tonio_> the cd has an autostart on windows to provide free softwares
[05:27] <dinosaur-rus> Tonio_: what are they doing there?
[05:27] <Tonio_> dinosaur-rus: that's the good question :)
[05:27] <dinosaur-rus> Tonio_: why not remove at least part of them?
[05:28] <Tonio_> dinosaur-rus: it is an option in fact to promote free software on windows etc...
[05:28] <fabo> or provide a repo for win apps
[05:28] <Tonio_> that's cool but has to stay an "option"
[05:28] <Tonio_> and we are currently handicaping kubuntu to ship them
[05:28] <Tonio_> that drives me nuts...
[05:29] <dinosaur-rus> Tonio_: but GRUB reinstallation tool would be nice :)
[05:30] <mhb> dinosaur-rus: yeah, if we had one
[05:32] <raphink> I totally agree with Tonio_
[05:33] <raphink> it would be nice to maybe give up the openCD together with the Kubuntu CD
[05:33] <raphink> but it's not our goal to distribute open-source software for Windows
[05:33] <raphink> and these apps the first things I removed in the Ichthux CD actually
[05:33] <Tonio_> bah as long as we have freespace, I don't mind
[05:33] <dinosaur-rus> Tonio_: I like Windows (don't kill me :) ), but remove all unimportant Windows stuff from Kubuntu CD!
[05:34] <raphink> I think I already expressed it and I can't understand that the quality of variety of software provided in Kubuntu might be lowered because of software made for a proprietary platform
[05:34] <raphink> dinosaur-rus: I would say remove ALL Windows sfutt
[05:34] <raphink> stuff
[05:34] <raphink> I don't see a reason to have them
[05:35] <Tonio_> raphink: the big thing is that we are shiping with 2 mail clients
[05:35] <Tonio_> kdepim and thunderbird
[05:35] <raphink> why that?
[05:35] <raphink> kubuntu is currently a reference in the way it sticks on KDE apps
[05:35] <dinosaur-rus> Tonio_: Kubuntu CD must contain Kubuntu stuff, not Windows one
[05:35] <dinosaur-rus> raphink: some things like GRUB repair tool (if it exists) would be nice
[05:35] <Tonio_> removing one of those could help keeping digikam
[05:35] <Tonio_> which is a pure must have on a kde desktop distro
[05:36] <sebas> Who decides which Windows apps are shipped with the Kubuntu CD?
[05:36] <mhb> Tonio_: we ship Thunderbird for Kubuntu?
[05:36] <Tonio_> mhb: as a window app yes
[05:36] <Tonio_> and who the hell will use speedcrunch on windows ? 4MB for this ?
[05:37] <mhb> Tonio_: I guess we would ship kmail if it was windows-ready (but that's not the point, I know)
[05:38] <Tonio_> mhb: we ship it too :)
[05:38] <Tonio_> thunderbird AND kdepim (aka kmail)
[05:38] <dinosaur-rus> http://www.geocities.com/lode_leroy/grubinstall
[05:39] <Tonio_> http://grub4dos.sourceforge.net/
[05:40] <Tonio_> sebas: I don't know
[05:40] <Tonio_> sebas: all I know is that kdepim for windows is higly experimental
[05:40] <Tonio_> sebas: I even wonder if it works....
[05:41] <sebas> It's not something we want to ship anyway.
[05:41] <sebas> I mean, current KDEPIM is even broken on X11
[05:42] <Tonio_> sebas: and how about kexi, is it working nicelly on windows ?
[05:44] <sebas> No idea.
[05:44] <sebas> Is it KDE4-based?
[05:44] <sebas> Then: No.
[05:44] <Tonio_> sebas: no it's the kde3 one
[05:45] <sebas> I have no idea about that.
[05:45] <sebas> I'd question if it makes sense to ship Windows applications, though.
[05:45] <Tonio_> sebas: means that we are loosing 23 MB for something that is not really usable...
[05:46] <sebas> A nice article on what Kubuntu is, with screenshots, installation notes and so on would be much more useful.
[05:46] <Tonio_> sebas: well my feeling is that it is a good option
[05:46] <Tonio_> he we have space for this
[05:46] <sebas> That said, I never put a Kubuntu CD into a WIndows system (well, not without immediately booting it).
[05:46] <Tonio_> but as we are running out of space, that's the first thing to be removed
[05:46] <Tonio_> that's obvious
[05:46] <sebas> I've gotta boot a new kernel.
[05:47] <Tonio_> sebas: should we propose this for the next kubuntu-meeting ?
[05:52] <raphink> that would be nice
[05:53] <mhb> +1
[06:12] <yuriy> herd 4 out?
[07:14] <sebas> Tonio_: Yes.