[12:17] seb128: I've got a built vte (was about to test the fix for #85023), are you working on this too? [12:18] keescook: nop, it's midnight and I was just sending the summary for the weekly meeting before going to bed :p [12:18] keescook: you are welcome to upload a fixed package for that ;) [12:18] okay, cool. I'll get ubuntu2 uploaded. :) [12:19] bug #85023 (probably the screen problem) [12:19] Malone bug 85023 in vte "Screen corruption when used with screen" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85023 [12:19] right [12:19] keescook: thank you, once it's uploaded try to convince tfheen to accept it for herd4 maybe ;) [12:19] I'll leave that to you. ;) [12:20] though it's not really required for the CD [12:20] that's a command line corner case and people are likely to pick the update after herd4 anyway [12:21] right. I'd like to see this LVM snapshot bug fixed. really killing me since all my builds are on snapshots. [12:21] good luck with that ;) [12:21] time for bed here [12:22] 'night everybody, see you tomorrow [12:22] g'night! === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DA98A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === null__ [n=null@60-241-43-186.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === math_b [n=mathieu@vbo91-2-82-239-207-88.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:31] hm... I just got a reject for gv saying that 3.6.2-2ubuntu1 <= 1:3.6.2-2... however the epoch is there in the dsc... any clues? [12:35] sistpoty: it's bug #85201 [12:35] Malone bug 85201 in soyuz "wrongly rejects epoched uploads" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85201 [12:35] geser: thx... just found it :) [12:36] uh-oh. Rejected: vte_0.15.3-0ubuntu2.dsc: Version older than that in the archive. 0.15.3-0ubuntu2 <= 1:0.15.3-0ubuntu1 === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-79-61.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] welcome to the club keescook [12:37] oh [12:37] hey, look, I can read my scrollback, I should try it some time. :) === Spads [n=spacehob@host-87-74-55-87.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jrib [n=jasonr@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chezz99 [n=root@125.96.99.20] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jrib [n=jasonr@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:17] cjwatson: Erm. Not really. Has iopl been called? [02:18] did 2.17.91 get through the freeze? === poningru assumes 2.17.90 === beuno [n=martin@201-213-5-148.net.prima.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sparr [n=sparr@pdpc/supporter/active/sparr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:28] why doesnt ubuntu have 'moving target' repository names like debian's stable/testing/unstable? having to modify my sources every 6 months to keep up to date is hella annoying [02:32] because you don't want to be running ubuntu unstable when it's first switched over [02:33] no, YOU don't want that :-p [02:33] because your system will likely fail spectactularly [02:33] ill be switching from feisty to gwhatever the day after feisty releases [02:33] [12:33] !timebasedreleases [02:33] [12:33] Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases [02:33] sparr: ^ [02:33] yes, im familiar with that [02:34] sparr: no you wont, the day after feisty releases, the new release isnt even started. [02:34] akin to debian's named releases (etch, potato, sarge, etc) [02:34] they do get a couple of days off, you know. === Znarl [n=znarl@jewel.roundabout.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:34] then you've got to wait for the toolchain [02:34] Hobbsee: then ill be ready when it happens :-p [02:35] go ahead. as long as you file bugs, of course [02:35] i do [02:35] good. [02:36] when a new driver or library comes out, i cant wait 6 months for it [02:37] i cant imagine anyone moving from debian unstable to ubuntu NOT doing what im doing [02:37] er === Hobbsee can [02:37] they are so used to their systems breaking spectacularly every six months? === Hobbsee notes that sparr sounds like a gentoo user. [02:37] or more frequently? [02:38] sparr: did you run feisty in the first few weeks of it's development? [02:38] Hobbsee: yes, ish [02:38] sparr: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/launchpad/+spec/grumpy-groundhog [02:38] i didnt dist-upgrade [02:38] i get my feisty one dependency at a time [02:38] my system is probably at least 80% edgy still [02:39] that's just insanity. [02:39] HrdwrBoB: the breakage isnt so bad, and well worth it [02:39] ive only encountered two broken packages so far [02:39] both already bug'd when i found them [02:39] sparr: only getting part of feisty is not the same as a new feisty, where all the core stuff is changing too [02:40] very true [02:40] if and when i want the core stuff, ill upgrade it [02:40] i think flash 9 was the first thing i wanted that wasnt in edgy [02:41] if you're just cherry picking a few apps and libs though, one global s&r in one config file twice a year doesn't seem to quite fit "hella annoying" ;) [02:41] Ng: ok, mildly annoying :-p [02:44] Ng: more so, because i dont remember to do it until the first time i try to upgrade something and i realize a new version is out [02:45] just a random idea... why not have aliases in the repository... one points to the last LTS release, one to the last release, and one to the latest dev [02:45] not exactly the same as debian, but thats not neccessarily a bad thing [02:46] sparr: because of the extra work. and the idea of freezes then get thrown out the window. [02:46] Why don't you just run Deian then? :) === Hobbsee --> out [02:46] Err debian even [02:46] bddebian: gentoo, really. [02:47] it kinda invites disaster for people who have them set to that without realising the implications and happily let update-manager to a dist-upgrade [02:47] Ah, better [02:47] bddebian: because i like kubuntu's out of the box software integration better [02:47] So either you live with it or you switch :-) [02:47] for a long time i was torn between debian and gentoo... [02:48] ubuntu improved on debian in a few key ways, enough to overcome the few failings like the instant case... so now it would be ubuntu vs gentoo [02:48] but gentoo's cutting edge is TOO broken for my tastes [02:49] and the default configuration is poor. getting a "complete" desktop experience set up like [k] ubuntu provides takes far more time than its worth [02:49] sparr: so's the first few weeks of the development release, btw [02:49] very cutting, very broken [02:49] i like being able to plug in a usb drive and it auto mounts and i get a prompt about what to do. i like having 'burn' as a context menu item for ISO files. i like http links in my irc client opening the right browser, usually. [02:50] Hobbsee: yeah, but i dont encounter those [02:50] Hobbsee: the things i want to upgrade are rarely dependent on the things that are very broken [02:50] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2007-February/005287.html [02:50] dist-upgrader === chezz99 [n=root@125.96.99.20] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:50] - updated demotions [02:50] sparr: if you want to run the latest release all the time, then you're going to be upgrading *everything* [02:50] what does that mean? [02:50] including stuff that breaks [02:51] poningru: demotions from main to universe [02:51] what are demotions? [02:51] ah gotcha [02:51] Hobbsee: sure, but thats not what i want. [02:51] that's mostly what you're saying === Hobbsee --> really out [02:51] not at all [02:51] well... if you dist-upgrade fast enough, it's safe, because nothing is broken yet... however I guess we're getting quite offtopic here [02:51] i want ACCESS to the latest version of every package [02:52] heh, i want to know how he can get a 104 that fast... i have to time out to get one === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:58] sparr: Just grab the latest upstreams and build yourself :-) [03:00] bddebian: heh, i do that for a few packages, stuff i have patches for === johanbr [n=j@blk-137-114-65.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _ion [i=johan@kiviniemi.name] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub_ [n=jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@19-98.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Rohinton [n=chatzill@c-67-170-250-22.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:34] HI why do we build so many full distro's would it not be better to have 1 base and then have the GUI ( G,K,X ) applied after? [03:35] Rohinton: we don't. The package building is a seperate process to the ISO building [03:41] Rohinton: they all come from the same repo, it's not really that different than what you are saying === ivoks [n=ivoks@19-98.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === null__ [n=null@60-241-43-186.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:02] i think Rohinton's issue is more one of perception [04:02] kubuntu, ubuntu, xubuntu sound very different [04:02] they would come together in peoples minds more as ubuntu-g, ubuntu-k, ubuntu-x [04:03] or any other scheme where they all start with the same letter (to be blunt) [04:03] yes - [04:04] I would like to download a base and then after the live-cd is running or installed be prompted for the gui system... [04:04] im curious how much space each GUI takes up... if someone tried to make a k+g+x ubuntu livecd, how much would they have to sacrifice to squeeze it all onto one disc? [04:04] i am doubtful that there is 700MB worth of kde-specific stuff on the kubuntu disc [04:05] what you really want [04:05] Hmm, but the contents would have to be reviewed as they are all 690+.... [04:05] is a button that says 'install KDE' [04:05] 'install gnome' [04:05] right... [04:05] 'install XFCE' [04:06] sparr: you couldn't do it [04:06] install edu (less likely, the edubuntu disc probably has the most unique packages compared to the others) [04:06] you can look at the seeds yourself [04:07] im a fan of the debian net-install... boot off a single floppy, or at worst a very very small iso image, and get everything off the network :) [04:07] obviously i see the advantages to the ubuntu method [04:08] having to pick a gui at iso download time is odd, but not killer [04:08] imho the biggest problem is just the names [04:08] sparr: what you really want is gentoo, I believe that channel is #gentoo [04:08] the layman is used to mac os 7, os 8, os 9, os 10 [04:08] windows 95, windows 98, windows xp, windows vista [04:08] ubuntu foo, ubuntu bar, ubuntu baz would make a lot more sense to common people than foobuntu, barubuntu, bazubuntu === sparr trademarkes foobuntu [04:09] likely trademarked [04:09] and there is nothing too different from Kubuntu and Ubuntu from os 9 and os 10 [04:10] right... so why are the names "so different"? [04:10] bluntly, having different first letters means they show up different places on a list. and they go in different little pockets in your mind. [04:10] think of it from a marketing perspective [04:11] i see a kubuntu flyer, and then later hear something about ubuntu [04:11] or about xubuntu [04:11] i am unlikely to make the connection. at worst, i might think one is a ripoff of the other [04:11] they are different products [04:11] but if they were ubuntu-k and ubuntu-x, the relationship would be a lot more intuitive [04:12] but they are both ubuntu [04:12] and twice as ugly [04:12] no, they are Xubuntu, Kubuntu and Ubuntu [04:12] its about mindshare [04:12] they are different products and are marketed as such [04:12] i disagree. [04:12] and anyway, this is off topic and the names are not going to change [04:12] no matter how much we bikeshed [04:12] kubuntu and ubuntu are far more similar than redhat desktop and redhat enterprise server [04:13] and yet the redhat name is at least twice as memorable with their scheme than with ours [04:14] <_ion> And the scientific method used to conclude the memorability to be 2.0 times better was which? [04:14] the current names foster an environment that seems to say "come try kubuntu!" "no, come try ubuntu!" which is counterproductive. the message we need to be sending is "come try some variant of ubuntu! take your pick" [04:14] _ion: a dartboard. happy? do you actually disagree with the conclusion or just the method? [04:15] <_ion> Ubuntu and Kubuntu are totally fine names for the products IMO. [04:16] show someone an ad for redhat desktop, then ask if they have ever heard of redhat server. then show someone an ubuntu ad, and ask if they have ever heard of kubuntu. the precise answer is "no" in both cases, but the connotation is VERY different [04:16] Hmm, the different names do they signify more that just a different UI? [04:16] Rohinton: nope [04:17] Rohinton: all they are is a different default set of packages. converting one to the other is just a matter of installing a single metapackage [04:18] _ion: im not saying the names are bad, per se... for established products they would be great. but ubuntu is in desperate need of mindshare, and this naming scheme doesnt help with that. [04:18] sparr: why are you second-guessing the whole community + canonical? [04:18] oh for crying out loud [04:18] <_ion> "Ubuntu is in desperate need of mindshare", HUH? [04:18] Chipzz: i doubt i am. first, Rohinton brought it up, not me. second, im almost certain i could use google to find this same point made a dozen times. [04:18] _ion: youre familiar with bug #1? [04:18] reality-check: ubuntu is VERY MUCH NOT in need of mindshare [04:18] Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [04:19] sparr: have you checked distrowatch lately? [04:19] Chipzz: on occassion. why? [04:20] where the hell is the distro top ten on distrowatch... [04:20] 'major distributions' [04:20] at the top [04:20] i know ubuntu is #1 [04:20] thats irrelevant [04:20] no it is NOT? === jdub_ is now known as jdub [04:20] im talking about the real world, not the "people savvy enough to visit distrowatch" subset [04:21] you're an idiot if you claim ubuntu is in need of mindshare and it's no1 at distrowatch [04:21] walk down the street [04:21] ask people if they have heard of windows [04:21] then ask if they have heard of ubuntu [04:21] <_ion> Yes, changing the name of Kubuntu to Ubuntu-K would instantly convert all the Windows users to Ubuntu and Ubuntu-K. [04:21] _ion: yeah :) [04:22] i gave out kubuntu cds for christmas. a few people converted. a few tried it and went back to windows. plenty used them as coasters, im sure. [04:22] sparr: linux in general is in need of mindshare vs windows [04:22] that middle group are the ones im talking about [04:22] a year from now when they hear something awesome about ubuntu, do you think they are going to connect it with kubuntu? [04:22] sparr: but ubuntu is very much not in need of mindshare vs other distro's [04:22] s/vs/compared to/ [04:23] when i see ubuntu vs kubuntu, i think iMac vs Emac (as in emachines, not the educational mac). a theme ripoff with a similar name. [04:23] STOP TROLLING [04:23] STOP SHOUTING [04:23] <_ion> I think sparr has received too much mindshare tonight. :-) [04:24] yeah [04:24] then ignore me [04:24] im the reason they added /ignore to your irc client [04:24] no [04:24] you're the reason they added /kickban to our irc clients :P [04:24] just because you disagree doesnt make the problem go away [04:25] im doing my part to introduce the public to linux in general, ubuntu more precisely, kubuntu specifically. i WANT more people using them (in that order). since we have a marketing team, i know im not alone. [04:25] and this naming scheme is counter to that objective [04:26] if you think you're going to solve the problem of linux in general gaining marketshare on windows by changing kubuntu to ubuntu-k you're deleude [04:26] deluded === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:26] why? [04:26] because IT DOES NOT MATTER [04:26] are you saying im wrong, or that its insignificant? [04:26] every single individual who tries ubuntu helps [04:26] every one who sees an ad for it [04:27] *everyone* is saying you are wronge /since you entered this channel/ [04:28] lol === null__ [n=null@60-241-43-186.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:28] thats a great point [04:28] well, it would be, if i was the one who said this first... [04:28] do you honestly think people are *that* retarded they cannot associate two product because one has a *prefix* wrt the other instead of a *suffix*? [04:28] yes [04:28] not retarded [04:28] boy do you have a very sad view of the world [04:28] accustomed [04:29] in the real world, this sort of naming scheme implies ripoffs [04:29] no it does not? [04:29] why do I even bother [04:29] changing the first letter is the easiest way to escape trademark problems, its how thousands of knockoff brands sell their products [04:29] So if I say "Windows", do I mean 3.1, NT, 95/98/ME, XP, or Vista? [04:29] bddebian: yes. [04:30] bddebian: probably xp, today. [04:30] bddebian: I'd assume an NT family though [04:30] No, Vista released [04:30] yes, but its not 'there' yet :) [04:30] sparr: lots of people are running it already [04:30] sparr: especially computer nerds [04:30] My point is, the name doesn't mean shit :-) [04:30] when you say windows, people think of xp. when someone else says windows, they are almost certainly talking about xp [04:30] sparr: I see like 50% vista of windows users here :) [04:30] (here = MIT) [04:31] jdong: i know of a few similar local demographics... even there, vista is named [04:31] jdong: ieks [04:31] vista is "windows vista", or "the new windows" [04:31] sparr: XP is XP [04:31] i dont think ive heard "windows" specifically referring to vista yet [04:31] sparr: but... "the new" is in front of windows! [04:31] hehe [04:32] sparr: my mother in law knows what vista is. [04:32] OMG LOL!!!1!!111!11ELEVEN [04:32] i dont think ive heard "windows" referring to anything other than xp outside of IRC in at least 5 years [04:32] sparr: right -- when people want to talk about Windows Vista they say Vista [04:32] jdong: that seems to be the norm [04:32] but Windows I'd say refers to XP or 2K === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:33] at least that'd be my first assumption [04:33] 2k is my windows of choice, when im forced to use windows :) [04:33] around here I've heard a lot of 5.1.2600's..... [04:33] it's land of the numbers :) [04:33] or 5.1K [04:33] for Kerberos patches [04:33] sparr: I like XP with the 2K theme [04:34] sparr: I've found XP to be faster than 2K when the theme is stripped down [04:34] but multitasking is pathetic period [04:34] <_ion> I like... Wait, i don't like any Windows. ;-) [04:34] CPU or IO multitasking... [04:34] its a matter of perception... put in simple words... ubuntu-k says to the average joe "the k version of ubuntu". kubuntu says "a ripoff of ubuntu, probably by a company whose name starts with k" [04:34] sparr: even then the damage is already done [04:35] sparr: even if we were to change the names, which we are NOT, that would cause confusion/technological programs with existing users of the product [04:35] if someone liked ubuntu, and has a passing chance to try kubuntu, they might say no just because they expect a ripoff of ubuntu. [04:35] or vice versa (less likely) [04:35] yes we've heard that argument like 10 times before, and it is still wrong [04:36] <_ion> If they already know (and even use!) Ubuntu, Ubuntu already *has* the Mindshare. [04:36] the divergent advertising doesnt help either, with different color schemes and such [04:36] and even if it's not it's not going to change [04:36] sparr: now you're talking COMPLETE crap [04:36] sparr: the different versions of windows vista also come in boxes with different colors [04:37] look at ads or packaging for vista home, vista server, vista ultimate, vista premium, vista chipotle... they have things in common that tell people they are heavily related [04:37] so you're saying people won't buy vista because they're confused by the different colors of the boxes? [04:37] the 'background' of the box is a different color. the vista logo is always the same. [04:37] no it's not??? [04:37] it's very much the same thing [04:37] you're talking out of your arse [04:38] oh and btw [04:38] there's a name for it [04:38] there are so many things at work. in no particular order... the pearl, the name "windows", the name "vista", and the name "microsoft" [04:38] it's called "product differentiation" [04:38] kubuntu vs ubuntu doesnt have ANY of that in common === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.1.218.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:38] repeat after me: "product differentiation" [04:38] product differentiation isnt what we have [04:38] yes it is?? [04:39] product differentiation indicates that theres some common point that you diverged FROM [04:39] we have vista home, and vista ultimate. we have vista marketing material. now, lets add something different for each version. [04:39] thats ass backwards to what kubuntu and ubuntu have [04:39] the same for ubuntu??? [04:40] we have the same base for ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu [04:40] even the same apps [04:40] it's just a matter of default installation [04:40] kubuntu and ubuntu start in completely different places, and maybe by chance happen to come slightly together [04:40] these things use the bloody same repository for crying out loud! [04:41] Start in different places??? [04:41] we are talking about advertising [04:41] "us" communicating to "them" [04:41] does anyone else use the term ubuntu to encompass the entire Ubuntu family of distros? === jdong does that sometimes [04:42] jdong: distrowatch seems to [04:42] sparr: well every ubuntu release spams DW with like 5 identical annoucements before :D [04:42] jdong: which is another minor issue [04:43] bob made a flyer for kubuntu [04:43] joe made a flyer for ubuntu [04:43] then maybe, if we are lucky, they talked to each other and shared some ideas so they have something in common [04:44] I'm sure canonical coordinates marketing [04:44] getting into the look and feel of the ads is way outside the scope of what i was originally trying to say [04:44] yeah, like Ubuntu doesn't lose data when unmounting USB........ oh never mind [04:44] the names themselves are counterproductive to the task of telling people about *ubuntu [04:45] imho, it would be better to have something like Ubuntu G, Ubuntu K and Ubuntu X :) [04:45] ivoks: blasphemy! no one else agrees! shut up! [04:45] :) [04:45] [04:45] but now it is as it is and changing that would be even worse then leaving it as is [04:46] i disagree [04:46] name changes dont have to kill a product [04:47] consider iceweasel, i mean firefox, i mean firebird, i mean phoenix... [04:47] it always had 'Mozilla' in front of the name of product [04:47] and most of the IT clueless refer to Firefox as Mozilla [04:48] you download it from mozilla.org, hence, it's mozilla :) [04:48] phoenix wasn't known to the larger public, and ice* is not used by ubuntu [04:49] so that only leaves firebird vs firefox [04:49] sparr, you're making a lot of sense, but in the wrong place and the wrong tone. I suggest either getting a marketing job with Canonical or writing a spec, the latter of which is probably easier. [04:50] mpt: let's for a moment suppose he is right. it is still *not going to happen* [04:50] mpt: its already been written and dismissed on the marketing list :) [04:50] Chipzz, you don't know that. Lindows changed its name for similar reasons. [04:51] ivoks: mozilla as part of the brand name has definitely not been "always". it wasnt for phoenix. it was for a little while for firebird. [04:51] mpt: lindows changed its name because microsoft was threatening to sue [04:51] gah, I fell for it ... like I said, this is the wrong place. === mpt shuts up [04:51] (is it only me or we hear lindows/freespire to ofter around here :) [04:51] aha, thanks for the example [04:51] lindows/windows is a great example of the kind of thing average people think of when they see ubuntu's naming scheme [04:52] and it's a contrived example [04:52] because windows and lindows are *totally* *different* *products* [04:52] but lindows was trying to capitalize on the windows name [04:52] thats exactly what people will think about aubuntu when they see bubuntu [04:53] guys, let's stop... as mpt said, this is wrong place [04:53] normal people dont know kubuntu and ubuntu are the same product. my ENTIRE point is that they are going to think they are *totally* *different* *products* [04:54] <_ion> But, but... How could it capitalize on the Windows name? They have *different prefixes*! [04:54] I have a counterargument against that but I'm just going to shut up [04:54] _ion: precisely [04:57] i posit two cases. one, where users wont make the connection. two, where users will make the connection, and life experience will tell them its a NEGATIVE connection. [04:58] virtually no other respectable product uses ubuntu's naming scheme. normal people see it and think "scam" or "ripoff" or "knockoff" [04:59] ten years from now when ubuntu has taken over the world, we will be in a position to change that notion. but today, while ubuntu needs to attract new users, its counterproductive to be under such a stigma [04:59] ok, stop, please [05:00] we code, we don't do marketing, this is -devel place [05:00] plase talk to someone else === jmillikin [n=jmilliki@cpe-66-75-200-45.bak.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:11] Hmm, well I asked not for the name - It did sink in that these where the same - but I was just thinking about an easier way to use ubuntu with different UIs... The download times for 3-4 iso distributions is long, also if/when they only have dvd's it may get worse? [05:12] if as suggested a button was there saying install ( X, Y, Z ) for the UI that would be nice or I could rool my own... [05:13] BTW - for all thing ubuntu the name I know and understand is Ubuntu - the others don't figure for me until I get to the download site.... :-) [05:13] That's it on that topic, from me at least. [05:14] Rohinton: http://www.ubuntu-hr.org/ningi === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:18] thanks. [05:21] Rohinton, afaik the Ubuntu CD is crammed full and would not have room for any Kubuntu/Xubuntu stuff, and vice versa === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:21] Besides which, asking people what GUI they want to use is a meaningless question to ~99.9% of the population [05:22] right - they are - I say give us smaller bits to bite... [05:22] yes - you have a point too. [05:23] but the default of gnome seems to be good for 90% - I wonder what the download stats are for the different ISOs? - which ever seems the most popular should be the default... === Hobbsee WAVES [05:24] oops, capslock [05:24] also just looked at the dvd - 4.2 GB is an even longer download than the three CDs... :-) [05:25] Rohinton: well, software has size :) [05:25] please dont tell me you're trying to get ubuntu onto multiple cds, suse/mandriva style... [05:26] Hobbsee: i think no one wants that === asac_ is now known as asac [05:26] ivoks: oh good. [05:26] ivoks: are you a core dev? [05:27] by any chance? [05:28] nope :) [05:28] ivoks: aww, damn [05:28] right but there are limits... === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dasickis [n=thebest@hindi.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dasickis [n=thebest@hindi.ccs.neu.edu] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [05:50] tfheen: ping @ amarok? === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jmillikin [n=jmilliki@cpe-66-75-200-45.bak.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [06:33] morning [06:33] hey fabbione! === philwyett [n=philwyet@bb-87-81-146-45.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gobat [n=chatzill@h189.222.29.71.ip.alltel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === QuantumG [n=qg@biodome.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === QuantumG [n=qg@biodome.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DA98A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:21] Hobbsee: hiya [07:21] hey tfheen [07:21] hey tfheen :) [07:21] tfheen: when's herd4 out? [07:22] "when it's ready"? :-) [07:23] Hobbsee: today, hopefully. [07:24] tfheen: got an upload of amarok, with some fixes from upstream. cool === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F73F10.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:24] good morning [07:25] hello Daniel [07:25] hey Tollef! [07:25] how's it going? [07:26] slept too little and a bit hungry, but otherwise ok-ish. [07:26] wanting to get herd out now. [07:26] same here :) [07:26] how's herd looking? [07:27] feisty? [07:27] I think we have been bitten by all the bugs which are supposed to bite us so far, so I am just hoping we are not going to run into oversizedness or other fun. [07:28] tfheen: That's a little bit hopefully, isn't it? [07:28] *hopeful [07:28] I'm building candidate ISOs now; that is, the i386 ones failed to build due to a fun soyuz bug. [07:29] the others should be ready already. [07:29] What was with the buildds being rather stuffed last night? [07:29] a launchpad upgrade where somebody forgot to restart the services afterwards. [07:29] Haha. === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LongPointyStick [n=user@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:37] candidate ISOs up, please test. [07:37] I'll file the tracker bugs now. === Kagou [n=Kagou@88.140.39.159] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:46] hi === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-236-154-89.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:51] Good morning! === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.149.5.14] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Windkracht8 [n=bartv@127-8.bbned.dsl.internl.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.149.5.14] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:57] heya pitti [07:57] hey dholbach === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-200-45.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:14] pitti / keescook can you please have a look over bug 84657 and let me know where to go from where it is [08:14] Malone bug 84657 in edgy-backports "Security update for rar/unrar (CVE-2007-0855)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84657 [08:14] oh, nvm - I jsut didnt get the email === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Rohinton [n=chatzill@inet-netcache2-o.oracle.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-236-154-89.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.4.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@68.164-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sky_walkie [i=czzhrd02@xdsl-563.lodz.dialog.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F5D67.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-83-7.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@19-98.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra_ [n=zdra@68.164-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] heya seb128 [09:59] hi dholbach === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-21-223.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:06] heno: tracking bugs are filed. :-) === jsgotangco [i=3a47330c@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:07] tfheen: cool, I'll start herding people to them :) [10:07] heno: excellent. [10:08] mjg59: not certain. Looking at the code, ioperm() should have been called almost immediately before for a range that includes that port === r_rehashed [n=shreedha@59.184.54.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:10] tfheen: I guess you script doesn't close bugs that I've opened by hand (Herd 3), so I'll close those again manually too === r_rehashed [n=shreedha@59.184.54.52] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:10] heno: correct. I didn't know what to do about those, so I just left them. Thanks for closing them. === guyvdb [n=guy@kotnet-144.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A651CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:20]