[12:44] <Admiral_Chicago> tsmithe: did your cloak save?
[12:44] <tsmithe> save?
[12:44] <tsmithe> i still have it...
[12:45] <Admiral_Chicago> oh i see.
[12:47] <tsmithe> why didn't yours?
[12:47] <tsmithe> are you identified?
[12:48] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm identifying incorrectly apparently
[12:51] <tsmithe> /msg nickserv identify <password> damnit!
[12:53] <Admiral_Chicago> i am identified, not sure what the deal is
[12:54] <tsmithe> weird
[12:54] <tsmithe> ping Seveas?
[12:54] <Admiral_Chicago> jenda cloaked us
[12:54] <tsmithe> he did
[12:54] <tsmithe> he's not here ;)
[01:47] <Admiral_Chicago> tsmithe: nope, not working.
[01:47] <tsmithe> :S
[01:47] <tsmithe> weir
[01:47] <tsmithe> d
[01:48] <tsmithe> i'm going to sleep now
[01:48] <tsmithe> hope you get it figured
[01:48] <Admiral_Chicago> chanserv went down and used the backup of 4 hours. maybe that was it
[01:48] <Admiral_Chicago> night
[04:56] <Admiral_Chicago> ln
[04:56] <Admiral_Chicago> err ignore me
[04:58] <Madpilot> Memo to Admiral_Chicago: This is not actually your terminal window ;)
[04:59] <crimsun> if he's using emacs it is ;)
[05:01] <Madpilot> if he's using emacs, then emacs is his entire OS, isn't it?
[05:02] <Admiral_Chicago> irssi actually. i tried to do /n but i fumbled it.
[06:19] <sid> elkbuntu: Can you put the raw data on a httpd somewhere? I'll just GNUplot it myself if that's ok
[06:20] <elkbuntu> sid, it doesnt work with gnuplot. this is the problem and reason why it is taking so long
[06:20] <sid> I'll find a way, once I have the raw data I'll be able to input it into GNUplot somehow
[06:21] <Madpilot> brute force?
[06:26] <sid> Madpilot: sure?
[06:26] <Madpilot> sorry, I'm just in a surreal, non-helpful mood this evening... with my current workweek, tonight is Friday night for me...
[06:28] <elkbuntu> sid, additionally, i have not appreciated being practically stalked through here, -devel, or -meeting the past few months. because of this i would not be able to trust you with the data.
[06:29] <sid> elkbuntu: I'm not stalking you, I ask once every month or two? I'm just curious where the data is. thousands of community members took the poll and the results could be useful to many people.
[06:30] <sid> It's just adding up numbers and plotting them, it seems very easy to me. I've used GNUplot before, if I had the raw data I could have it plotted in 10 minutes.
[06:30] <elkbuntu> sid, drop it. please.
[06:30] <sid> And trust me with the data... what am I going to do with the community's poll results.. show it to them?
[06:31] <elkbuntu> sid, claim it as your own work, for all i know. and as far as I know, you're not even a member of this team.
[06:33] <elkbuntu> (since you're hidden behind tor)
[06:35] <sid> I'm not hidden behind tor, this was just a vhost assigned to me by lilo for being a "trusted" tor user. But if I use tor or not, it still shows up as this hostmask.
[06:38] <sid> So channel operators can ban *!*@gateway/*tor* and the "trusted" tor users won't be affected by these tor bans. channel operators would have to explicited ban each individual trusted tor user, although typically trusted tor users are presumed to be well behaved on irc I would assume.
[06:41] <elkbuntu> well, until feisty is out, the surveys are not overdue
[06:44] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso!
[06:44] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: hi!
[06:45] <elkbuntu> 'sup
[06:45] <tonyyarusso> Oh, various stuff.
[06:45] <tonyyarusso> Meeting already finished I take it..
[06:45] <elkbuntu> hasnt even started yet. seveas is mia
[06:46] <tonyyarusso> oh
[06:46] <tonyyarusso> heh
[07:46] <Kagou> hi
[07:47] <Kagou> can someone tell me address for gobby ?
[07:48] <tonyyarusso> Kagou: Last I heard, it was ubuntu.juliux.de, but that may have changed.
[07:48] <Kagou> thnx tonyyarusso 
[07:49] <Kagou> may be with the password if any
[07:51] <tonyyarusso> ufl@ftw
[01:45] <KenSentMe> jenda: ping
[02:12] <jenda> KenSentMe: pong
[02:12] <jenda> for a few :)
[02:16] <jenda> Right, so you mentioned the Ubuntu Magazine...
[02:16] <KenSentMe> jenda: yes
[02:16] <KenSentMe> The Ubuntu-nl team has come up with the plan to make a dutch Ubuntu Magazine 
[02:16] <jenda> That's neat...
[02:16] <KenSentMe> 4 times a year, starting with the feisty release
[02:17] <jenda> Now why didn't the Ubuntu Magazine ever start?
[02:17] <jenda> I think it was partly because of lack of interest... partly because the leader left because she left it wasn't appreciated...
[02:17] <jenda> it wasn't appreciated... because some people said it was redundant to the UWN and the fridge...
[02:17] <KenSentMe> I also we couldn't agree on the topics of the magazine
[02:18] <KenSentMe> you're right
[02:18] <jenda> KenSentMe: what will this dutch one contain, as opposed to the UWN and the Fridge?
[02:20] <poningru> KenSentMe: one of the things that was suggested at that time was
[02:20] <KenSentMe> The current plan (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NlUbuntuMagazine/Inhoud , in dutch) contains 4 pages of Ubuntu-nl news, 4 pages about the new release or news about all sorts of Ubuntu stuff and a preview of the next release, 12 pages of articles and workshops, 2 games and 2 pages of shorter tips & tricks
[02:20] <poningru> a compilation/bestoff
[02:20] <poningru> of UWN &// Fridge
[02:21] <KenSentMe> The main idea of the magazine is to inform people about Ubuntu, but also to inspire people into using software that they wouldn't normally use.
[02:21] <jenda> mhm
[02:21] <KenSentMe> Like, hey, i didn't know it was that easy to install my own webserver
[02:21] <jenda> ok, cool...
[02:22] <jenda> should it be printed, or online?
[02:22] <KenSentMe> There is lots of information on the wiki and forums, but you have to search for it. We want to give people some ideas about the possibilities of Ubuntu
[02:22] <KenSentMe> jenda: for now in pdf
[02:22] <jenda> ok
[02:23] <KenSentMe> Although there have been thoughts of printing it, but we first have to make sure the first actually comes out
[02:23] <jenda> we're actually planning a similar project in html in Czech.
[02:23] <KenSentMe> jenda: really?
[02:23] <jenda> yes
[02:24] <jenda> basically - users writing howtos and tips for other users...
[02:24] <jenda> not official/wiki style, but more author-reader style...
[02:24] <KenSentMe> My idea is, if our project succeeds, to make it possible to translate the magazine into other languages
[02:24] <jenda> it would be a real-time, revolving thing, not a scheduled mag, really.
[02:24] <jenda> yes, that would be great.
[02:25] <jenda> or, at least - inspire similar projects in other languages.
[02:25] <KenSentMe> That's why i wanted to inform you
[02:25] <jenda> KenSentMe: we should certainly keep track of all similar projects, so other locos can get themselves inspired and choose what they like best...
[02:25] <jenda> thx ;)
[02:26] <KenSentMe> I will be the so called 'chief-editor', so you can contact me if you want to know something about the project
[02:26] <KenSentMe> And i will inform you when the first issue is about to come out
[02:27] <jenda> cool :) thank you, I will probably want to know more once I come back from me travels... ;)
[02:27] <KenSentMe> There seem to be a lot of people who want to contribute. Last night we had a meeting with 17 people on irc
[02:27] <jenda> wow, nice.
[02:28] <KenSentMe> So let's make this project a test case for an international magazine maybe?
[02:28] <KenSentMe> :D
[02:29] <KenSentMe> jenda: where are you travelling to btw?
[02:29] <jenda> India
[02:29] <jenda> :)
[02:29] <KenSentMe> jenda: ah, nice
[02:29] <KenSentMe> For how long?
[02:29] <jenda> yes, I'll be very interested in how the project works out locally...
[02:30] <jenda> for a month.
[02:31] <KenSentMe> We had a live-meeting in january and seeing and talking to other people in person helps making something together
[02:32] <KenSentMe> But i'll keep you and the rest of the mt informed on the progress
[02:32] <jenda> cool, thanks :)
[02:32] <jenda> we just had a live meeting on sunday.
[02:35] <KenSentMe> In czech?
[02:36] <rohan> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd4
[02:36] <rohan> what is the notice there ? can i see a rough draft or something ?
[02:37] <KenSentMe> rohan: it probably means the page is being created in a program called gobby, where a lot of people can work on the same document
[02:37] <rohan> ok, how can i see the page then ? am i allowed to join in ?
[02:38] <KenSentMe> rohan: that's not up to me to answer
[02:38] <rohan> ohok
[02:38] <rohan> thanks 
[02:38] <KenSentMe> Maybe jenda knows?
[02:40] <jenda> KenSentMe: yes, in Czech...
[02:40] <jenda> rohan: yes, you're certainly allowed to join in... lemme see what's up with that.
[02:40] <rohan> great :)
[02:41] <jenda> poningru should know...
[02:41] <poningru> oh blargh?
[02:41] <poningru> I just put it back on the wiki
[02:42] <poningru> after pulling an all nighter on it
[02:43] <poningru> but there are those three sections under gnome that someone still needs to write
[02:43] <poningru> and proof read
[02:43] <rohan> ah, i see it n ow poningru 
[02:45] <rohan> poningru: isn't the kernel VMI section repeated from herd3 ?
[02:46] <poningru> no Herd3 was paravirt for a different tech
[02:46] <poningru> which was actually opensource
[02:46] <poningru> this is VMI from vmware
[02:46] <rohan> "Feisty's kernel also includes VMware's VMI layer. This is may also not make the final release." -> from herd3
[02:47] <poningru> well this is open source as well
[02:47] <poningru> oh blargh?
[02:47] <rohan> i guess it can be seen as herd3 saying "it might be there" and herd4 confirming "it is there" in final release
[02:48] <poningru> yeah true that
[02:48] <poningru> see I dont wanna take that out cause ben put it there
[02:48] <rohan> oh, ok
[02:49] <rohan> what time is ubuntu herd4 scheduled to be released ?
[02:50] <poningru> rohan: today... no time
[02:50] <rohan> ok
[02:51] <rohan> but here, today as in "thursday" is almost ending
[02:51] <poningru> ah... yeah last time it wasnt until end of the day in the US
[02:51] <rohan> oh, ok
[02:51] <rohan> great, can't wait :)
[04:16] <poningru> ping everyone
[04:16] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd4
[04:16] <poningru> can someone finish up on the page?
[04:16] <poningru> the three things need done
[04:17] <poningru> under gnome
[04:17] <poningru> and just need to be spell checked and read over for grammatical errors
[04:18] <poningru> tsmithe, jenda, juliux, MenZa, elkbuntu
[04:18] <poningru> I need some sleep
[04:18] <poningru> nn
[04:18] <tsmithe> hi
[04:19] <tsmithe> (should read before pong)
[04:19] <tsmithe> poningru, good job btw
[04:21] <tsmithe> not gonna use gobby unless someone wants me to
[04:27] <jenda> o.O
[04:27] <jenda> O.o
[04:27] <jenda> poningru: great work, thanks :)
[04:28] <jenda> but I'll pass ;)
[04:43] <tsmithe> jenda, ping
[04:44] <jenda> tsmithe: pong
[04:44] <tsmithe> hi.
[04:44] <MitchM> hey jenda :)
[04:45] <MitchM> how fares it?
[04:45] <tsmithe> if an update detailed on the herd4 page is just brief bug-fixes, shall i leave it out?
[04:45] <jenda> Great :)
[04:45] <tsmithe> deskbar
[04:45] <jenda> tsmithe: no idea
[04:45] <jenda> poningru is teh mann
[04:45] <tsmithe> poningru, you still around?
[04:46] <tsmithe> or i could put 1 sentence in
[04:47] <tsmithe> it sounds stupid
[04:48] <tsmithe> same with nautilus
[04:51] <tsmithe> jenda, done
[06:30] <lotusleaf> according to an eBay search for Obey Ubuntu, it looks like several motivated individuals have already put forth the effort to make roughcut tshirts! lol awesome
[06:30] <lotusleaf> http://search.ebay.com/obey-ubuntu_W0QQfromZR40
[06:31] <lotusleaf> I liked the way jenda had it originally detailed but I don't know if he's doing that anymore ;_;
[06:32] <lotusleaf> jenda: wb jenda
[06:33] <jenda> thanks.
[06:33] <jenda> but :(
[06:34] <lotusleaf> :( ?
[06:34] <lotusleaf> jenda: someone has made roughcut ubuntu tshirts on ebay
[06:34] <lotusleaf> jenda: I liked your design better though
[06:35] <jenda> interesting...
[06:35] <jenda> ( :( because of my connection)
[06:36] <lotusleaf> :(
[06:36] <lotusleaf> I don't care for the way the guy did it with the large design on the front
[06:36] <lotusleaf> I liked how you had the small logo on the front left and the large on the back
[06:36] <jenda> hmm
[06:36] <jenda> some people told me the reverse ;)
[06:36] <lotusleaf> oh? large on front and small on back?
[06:37] <lotusleaf> wish I knew more about tshirt making ;)
[06:38] <lotusleaf> course with the dollar taking a dive there are probably better places to produce them
[06:38] <jenda> well, there was one person who said it looked too businessy
[06:38] <lotusleaf> oh
[06:38] <jenda> that the big picture up front was what they wanted on casual shirts 
[06:38] <lotusleaf> well I could see how it could convey such an air
[06:38] <jenda> it's good that someone picked it up, though :)
[06:38] <lotusleaf> indeed
[06:38] <lotusleaf> but I'd rather buy from jenda's factory design ;)
[06:39] <jenda> hehe :)
[06:39] <jenda> 
[06:39] <lotusleaf> you got new case stickers ?
[06:39] <jenda> oh yes
[06:39] <jenda> :)
[06:39] <jenda> thousands
[06:39] <lotusleaf> cool, did you make a digg post about it?
[06:39] <lotusleaf> perhaps we can get a digg article on your new stickers to the front
[06:40] <jenda> o.O
[06:40] <jenda> Well, since I'm leaving for a month now, it wouldn't really be kosher...
[06:40] <lotusleaf> k
[06:40] <jenda> imagine the amount of emails ;)
[06:40] <lotusleaf> :P
[06:40] <jenda> But once I come back, I might think of it :)
[06:40] <lotusleaf> do it and let everyone know so they can digg it
[06:40] <jenda> I prefer spamming main Ubuntu media, though ;)
[06:40] <lotusleaf> :Q
[06:41] <lotusleaf> every little bit of press helps
[06:41] <jenda> hehe :)
[11:16] <poningru> I am sooo passed out
[11:16] <poningru> tsmithe: thanks for finishing up the page :)
[11:17] <tsmithe> :)