| LaserJock | yeah, 5200 files of possibly illegaly distributed code | 12:15 |
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| _MMA_ | It gonna work. Probably just not in the time frame we wanted. | 12:15 |
| LaserJock | awesome :-) | 12:15 |
| LaserJock | that's my assesment | 12:15 |
| === tsmithe spent all that time on getting that process documented as well. better not be wasted. took aaaagggges | ||
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| ajmitch | mattb: good to see you getting stuck in | 12:47 |
| mattb | I'm having a competition to see whether this package gets through NEW or REVU faster :p | 12:47 |
| ajmitch | hm, good luck there | 12:48 |
| ajmitch | what's the package? | 12:48 |
| mattb | libtrace3 | 12:48 |
| ajmitch | right, I see it | 12:48 |
| mattb | http://research.wand.net.nz/software/libtrace.php | 12:48 |
| ajmitch | we'd usually want the first ubuntu version to be -0ubuntu1, but this is probably a special case since it's in NEW | 12:49 |
| ajmitch | ah, a WAND project? | 12:49 |
| TheMuso | Morning ajmitch. | 12:49 |
| ajmitch | hi TheMuso | 12:49 |
| TheMuso | Or for you I should be saying good afternoon. | 12:49 |
| LaserJock | anybody know where an .xsession-error would be in a RHEL system? | 12:49 |
| mattb | ajmitch: yep a wand project | 12:49 |
| ajmitch | mattb: one main problem | 12:50 |
| ajmitch | +libtrace3 (3.0.0-1ubuntu1) fiesty; urgency=low | 12:50 |
| ajmitch | it's feisty, not fiesty | 12:50 |
| mattb | I debated over the version, but as you say, given it's already in new 1ubuntu1 seemed to make most sens | 12:50 |
| mattb | ajmitch: oh, bugger | 12:50 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: what do you suggest for DDs uploading to REVU? 1 ACK is ok? :) | 12:50 |
| LaserJock | wouldn't that make syncing a problem in the future | 12:50 |
| LaserJock | depends on the DD :p | 12:51 |
| mattb | next debian revision will be -2, which is > 1ubuntu1 | 12:51 |
| mattb | so syncs should be fine? | 12:51 |
| LaserJock | well, but syncing -1 wouldn't work | 12:51 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: dd or MOTUs? | 12:51 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: but he doesn't want to sync -1 | 12:51 |
| ajmitch | since it's stuck in debian NEW | 12:51 |
| LaserJock | mattb: will there be Ubuntu changes in the future? | 12:52 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: DDs | 12:52 |
| mattb | highly unlikely | 12:52 |
| TheMuso | ok | 12:52 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: but we'd want to get rid of the ubuntu1 if we could | 12:52 |
| LaserJock | so we'd sync -1 | 12:52 |
| mattb | the point of this upload is to get it into feisty asap | 12:52 |
| ajmitch | but we don't want to miss the freeze | 12:52 |
| LaserJock | either way it's not a big deal | 12:52 |
| mattb | rather than having to wait for it to get through NEW and then sync | 12:52 |
| ajmitch | debian NEW is crawling at the moment | 12:52 |
| LaserJock | well, I was just saying, if you have to change fiesty -> feisty | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | it may not get out for another couple of weeks | 12:53 |
| LaserJock | why not 1ubuntu1 -> 0ubuntu1 for completness | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: are you suggesting it be uploaded with -1build1? | 12:53 |
| LaserJock | no, althought that's not a exactly the worst idea ;-) | 12:53 |
| LaserJock | s/a// | 12:53 |
| LaserJock | any recovering RHELers want to help me find .xsession-errors? | 12:54 |
| LaserJock | Gnome and KDE won't start up | 12:54 |
| LaserJock | I'm guessing something must be going wrong at login | 12:55 |
| LaserJock | but I can't figure out where to look | 12:55 |
| === LaserJock curses RedHat under his breath | ||
| TheMuso | LaserJock: I thought they were in the home directory. | 12:56 |
| LaserJock | TheMuso: I can't find it | 12:56 |
| TheMuso | hmmm | 12:56 |
| TheMuso | I guess you could always do a find / -name .xsession-errors :) | 12:57 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: /tmp or /home full? :) | 12:57 |
| LaserJock | not even close | 12:57 |
| LaserJock | that's what the KDE login says | 12:57 |
| LaserJock | I tried moving .gnome* and .gconf* | 12:58 |
| LaserJock | but both Gnome and KDE have the problem | 12:58 |
| LaserJock | it just gives me a blue screen and a cursor | 12:58 |
| mattb | so, shall I upload again with feisty spelt correctly, and 0ubuntu1 ? | 01:00 |
| ajmitch | mattb: you may as well | 01:02 |
| ajmitch | & then it can sit & bitrot in ubuntu NEW | 01:02 |
| mattb | heh | 01:02 |
| ajmitch | though the oldest things in there are only 9 days | 01:03 |
| bddebian | heh | 01:04 |
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| imbrandon | 02:08 | |
| imbrandon | quiet night | 02:09 |
| lotusleaf | starry night | 02:09 |
| _ion | hungry night | 02:09 |
| sistpoty | I'm tired, right? | 02:11 |
| imbrandon | sistpoty, yea | 02:11 |
| sistpoty | hi imbrandon | 02:11 |
| imbrandon | heya | 02:11 |
| _ion | No, you're suffering from caffeine deficiency. | 02:11 |
| sistpoty | hehe | 02:11 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon!!! | 02:12 |
| sistpoty | hi Hobbsee | 02:13 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: i'm grabbing various fixes for amarok upstream at the moment, FYI | 02:13 |
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| Hobbsee | hey sistpoty :) | 02:13 |
| imbrandon | heya Hobbsee | 02:13 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, rockin | 02:14 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: :) i am useful for something, i think | 02:14 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 02:14 |
| superm1 | hey imbrandon, ya didnt get the mythtv and mythplugins uploaded by uvf...... i filed a uvfe for them | 02:14 |
| imbrandon | superm1, sorry slipped my mind | 02:15 |
| imbrandon | i'll try to help it get pussed | 02:15 |
| superm1 | imbrandon, not a problem as long as motu-uvf gets them approved :) | 02:15 |
| imbrandon | pushed* | 02:15 |
| superm1 | awesome thanks | 02:15 |
| imbrandon | hrm | 02:21 |
| LaserJock | I'm so close to having my mirror done :-) | 02:23 |
| lotusleaf | LaserJock: who is the fairest fawn of all? | 02:24 |
| LaserJock | Feisty of course | 02:24 |
| lotusleaf | !chocsnack | 02:25 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about chocsnack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 02:25 |
| LaserJock | until the cruel hunter kills Feisty's dad | 02:25 |
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| imbrandon | LaserJock, you makin a mirror at the edu too? | 02:28 |
| imbrandon | full rsync ? | 02:28 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: I'm using reprepo to make a mirror of i386/source main/universe at home | 02:33 |
| imbrandon | ahh cool | 02:35 |
| LaserJock | it's a bit of an experiment | 02:35 |
| LaserJock | but as I'll have 3 feisty machines tonight, I thought it'd be nice | 02:39 |
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| LaserJock | also having all of the source locally will make packaging a bit more fun | 02:39 |
| sistpoty | well, I used apt-proxy as a cache for several machines... worked quite nice until apt-proxy switched to twisted. however that was some years ago | 02:40 |
| LaserJock | sure | 02:40 |
| === imbrandon just runs a full rsync mirror ;) | ||
| LaserJock | but I'm investigating repo stuff | 02:41 |
| sistpoty | mini-dinstall is ... kinda ugly, but it works for me :) | 02:42 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I did that too | 02:43 |
| imbrandon | falcon ftw as far as making a repo | 02:43 |
| LaserJock | well, I can't use falcon exactly | 02:43 |
| imbrandon | why? | 02:44 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: once you find hte easiest and most useful, do tell me about it :) | 02:47 |
| Hobbsee | or come to think of it, i wonder if imbrandon can do repos on buntudot, so i wouldnt have to figure it out... | 02:47 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 02:47 |
| bddebian | WTF??? | 02:49 |
| bddebian | bdefreese@bdubuntu1:~/revu/acroread-asianfonts$ linda ../../pbuild-feisty/result/acroread-asianfonts_7.0.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb | 02:49 |
| bddebian | Roses are red, violets are blue, | 02:49 |
| bddebian | lintian is dead and Culus goes moo. | 02:49 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: haha | 02:50 |
| imbrandon | ll | 02:50 |
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| imbrandon | +o | 02:50 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: well, falcon isn't in the repos | 02:51 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: and for what I'm doing I need to just use stuff that's in the repos | 02:51 |
| imbrandon | i supose i could talk Seveas into letting me upload it ;) its a little late now though | 02:52 |
| imbrandon | what are you doing anyhow? | 02:53 |
| LaserJock | oh, a little something | 02:54 |
| LaserJock | reprepo was really easy though | 02:54 |
| LaserJock | I'm not sure what the speed was | 02:54 |
| LaserJock | it took something like 4 days or so | 02:54 |
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| LaserJock | ok, back to the blog post, it's only taken me like 7 hrs | 02:58 |
| imbrandon | heh | 02:59 |
| LaserJock | silly work, don't they know I have more important things to do, like blog about FLOSS | 02:59 |
| imbrandon | hrm anyone know how to make a dhcp server ( ubuntu ) serv a certain ip based on MAC | 02:59 |
| imbrandon | or where i can find the docs, google sucks | 03:00 |
| imbrandon | hrm , i think i found it | 03:01 |
| sistpoty | imbrandon: man dhcpd.conf... it's really straightforward | 03:06 |
| LaserJock | man, I can't wait to get home and upgrade my server desktop to Feisty | 03:08 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I wonder if update-manager would accept my mirror | 03:09 |
| LaserJock | I'm guessing not | 03:10 |
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| LaserJock | heh, update-manager doesn't have a man page | 03:10 |
| LaserJock | tsk tsk | 03:10 |
| bddebian | heh | 03:11 |
| imbrandon | lol | 03:11 |
| ajmitch | ah, computers | 03:14 |
| === ajmitch hates them | ||
| === bddebian too | ||
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| LaserJock | ajmitch: they are aweful aren't they | 03:17 |
| ajmitch | yes | 03:17 |
| === ajmitch should take up a life of gardening or something | ||
| LaserJock | the more I use them the more I hate them | 03:18 |
| LaserJock | one of great curses on geeks everywhere | 03:18 |
| crimsun | and on non-geeks, too. | 03:18 |
| imbrandon | heh beowolf cluster of veggies | 03:18 |
| bddebian | I need to look for a new job and I'm thinking construction or something | 03:18 |
| LaserJock | I wouldn't even be good at McDonalds | 03:19 |
| LaserJock | if I don't get a job as a Chemist I don't know what I'll do ;-) | 03:19 |
| === imbrandon wants to wonder the world going to FLOSS confrences | ||
| bddebian | I found some Linux jobs around here but I ain't gonna make what I do now :-( | 03:19 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: what do you do now? | 03:20 |
| bddebian | My title is IT Manager but I'm really a "jack of all trades, master of bation" | 03:21 |
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| bddebian | Sometimes DBA, ERP implementation, help-desk, programmer... | 03:21 |
| bddebian | network admin, foo, bar... | 03:22 |
| ajmitch | man, and you stoop down to our level & help with ubuntu? | 03:23 |
| === ajmitch is just a code monkey | ||
| imbrandon | bddebian, sound like my job | 03:24 |
| ajmitch | bddebian is probably earning 3x what I do | 03:24 |
| imbrandon | probably 2X me | 03:24 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 03:24 |
| bddebian | Not quite at 6 figures yet unless you count bonuses :-( | 03:25 |
| ajmitch | 'not quite'? | 03:25 |
| ajmitch | man | 03:25 |
| LaserJock | sesh | 03:25 |
| ajmitch | mine's only 6 figures if you count the zeros after the decimal point | 03:25 |
| ajmitch | so bddebian probably earns > 4x what I do | 03:25 |
| imbrandon | yea about 2X me | 03:25 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: I make 20k :/ | 03:25 |
| bddebian | I'm also old, married and have 3 kids guys :-) | 03:25 |
| === ajmitch earns about 26K (in USD) | ||
| imbrandon | i make arround 60K there abouts, plus bennies | 03:26 |
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| LaserJock | bddebian: I'm married and my wife is currently unemployed. No kids though | 03:26 |
| === sistpoty is just a poor student | ||
| LaserJock | me too | 03:26 |
| LaserJock | what a sob story | 03:27 |
| bddebian | :-( | 03:27 |
| sistpoty | LaserJock: but you earn money... I don't ;) | 03:27 |
| LaserJock | "Destitute MOTUs go on strike for higher wages" :-) | 03:27 |
| === ajmitch is working fulltime for that 26K | ||
| bddebian | LaserJock: Well I wasn't smart enough to finish College until I was about 30 :) | 03:27 |
| sistpoty | *cough* | 03:27 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: which means that bddebian probably got his phd in something :) | 03:27 |
| LaserJock | sistpoty: true, my school is nice that way | 03:27 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Hah, I don't even have a masters :-( | 03:27 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: so we know who to ask for donations when we are starving :) | 03:28 |
| imbrandon | hehehe | 03:28 |
| bddebian | Sure :-) | 03:28 |
| ajmitch | hey, we were just talking about a MOTU fund yesterday... | 03:28 |
| === ajmitch passes the hat around | ||
| imbrandon | i'm still paying off everything though, from the 12+ months i dident work | 03:28 |
| bddebian | OK damnit, I have gotten that goofy linda "error" now twice and I've never seen it before | 03:30 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Well remember I've also sold my soul to M$ :-) | 03:30 |
| === TheMuso is still looking for employment, just something entry leve at this point, due to not having a hell of a lot of IT quals, but was sick of studying. | ||
| ajmitch | bddebian: that's ok, I'll remember that when I'm starving & broke ;) | 03:31 |
| LaserJock | TheMuso: do people hire for accesability work at all? | 03:31 |
| bddebian | TheMuso: Just go get an MSCE, they don't care :-) | 03:31 |
| bddebian | Err MCSE even | 03:31 |
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| TheMuso | LaserJock: THere isn't the market for Linux accessibility atm. | 03:32 |
| TheMuso | bddebian: I said I was sick of studying, and don't really want to go back to the books for another year at least. | 03:32 |
| bddebian | :-) | 03:32 |
| TheMuso | LaserJock: And the Windows accessibility market is rather ted up already, and since I haven't used those technologies for a while, I wouldn't be able to get a job doing that. | 03:33 |
| TheMuso | s/ted/tied/ | 03:33 |
| TheMuso | Including my standard school education, I was studying for 16 years. | 03:34 |
| ajmitch | that's not long | 03:34 |
| TheMuso | From when I first started school, to when I finished an IT related course last year. | 03:35 |
| bddebian | TheMuso: There's always the military :-) | 03:35 |
| TheMuso | bddebian: um............. no.......... | 03:35 |
| TheMuso | And that also included a music degree. | 03:35 |
| bddebian | Something wrong with the military? | 03:35 |
| TheMuso | But I don't want a music career either. | 03:35 |
| TheMuso | bddebian: If you didn't know already, I have a vision impairement. | 03:35 |
| bddebian | Oh, no, I didn't know that | 03:36 |
| ajmitch | it doesn't really show over irc :) | 03:36 |
| TheMuso | Of course it doesn't. | 03:36 |
| === ajmitch has a sanity impairment | ||
| TheMuso | People who haven't got a disability being involved with acecssibility related work is rather rare. | 03:37 |
| TheMuso | accessibility even | 03:37 |
| === bddebian is intelligence impaired | ||
| === sistpoty is the only normal guy of the world *g* | ||
| bddebian | sistpoty: :-) | 03:38 |
| LaserJock | TheMuso: I'm still amazed sometimes at how much you are able to do and how fast | 03:38 |
| LaserJock | heno too | 03:38 |
| LaserJock | it's really cool | 03:38 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: yes, I'm sure you're normal ;) | 03:38 |
| LaserJock | well, impairment isn't cool | 03:38 |
| TheMuso | LaserJock: Heno is truely amazing. | 03:38 |
| LaserJock | but people still being able to use computers is | 03:38 |
| TheMuso | Yeah. | 03:38 |
| === bddebian isn't touching netbeans5.5 | ||
| TheMuso | LaserJock: Its always an uphill battle for people like myself, but we get by with what we have. | 03:40 |
| TheMuso | In terms of things in life not being thought through for accessibility reasons. | 03:40 |
| TheMuso | Like visual verification on websites for one. | 03:40 |
| imbrandon | hum | 03:41 |
| TheMuso | Sites do offer alternate means to do what you want, but its not always the best alternative. | 03:41 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: how impaired is your vision? | 03:41 |
| ajmitch | ie, how do you manage with something like irc? | 03:41 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: Well I am legally blind, am a Braille reader, can read large print slowly. | 03:41 |
| TheMuso | Can't exactly remember how much vision I actually have. | 03:41 |
| ajmitch | right | 03:41 |
| TheMuso | And I also use synthesized speech. | 03:41 |
| === ajmitch had a friend who is completely blind, it was impressive watching her use a computer | ||
| === TheMuso is using irssi on the console, with a very much screwed speakup atm. | ||
| TheMuso | ajmitch: WHo was that? | 03:42 |
| ajmitch | just a student at the hall of residence I was at | 03:42 |
| LaserJock | TheMuso: that's what I find amazing, I would never know from your irc converstions | 03:42 |
| LaserJock | it seems like it would take me forever to be able to "read" and write like that | 03:43 |
| imbrandon | yea i never knew untill it was popinted out | 03:43 |
| TheMuso | LaserJock: Since I have been vision impaired since birth, I have grown up learning alternative ways for reading and writing. | 03:43 |
| TheMuso | SO I started learning Braille when I started school, and also learnt to read print concurrently. | 03:44 |
| TheMuso | Then started learning to type in my third year of school. | 03:44 |
| TheMuso | That was 1990, and have been typing ever since. | 03:44 |
| TheMuso | I can also write braille if the need arrises. | 03:44 |
| LaserJock | how good is the the synthesized speech? what happens if there is a typo or non-standard word? | 03:45 |
| _ion | I'm curious; if you change the irssi window, will the speak synth read the whole "new" contents aloud? | 03:45 |
| TheMuso | LaserJock: Depends on the typo, and it also depends on the speech synthesizer. | 03:45 |
| === LaserJock imagines half of his text get's "missed" as a typo | ||
| TheMuso | At the moment, I have three different speech synthesizers in my posession. | 03:45 |
| TheMuso | All sound completely different. | 03:46 |
| TheMuso | Sorry, make the five, if you include the free software speech synthesizers. | 03:46 |
| ajmitch | that's quite a few | 03:46 |
| TheMuso | But I prefer to use hardware speech synthesizers. | 03:46 |
| TheMuso | Three of those are ISA cards. | 03:46 |
| TheMuso | I also have two serial synthesizers, which are both the same, and have the same speech as one of the ISA cards. | 03:47 |
| ajmitch | scary, ISA cards | 03:47 |
| imbrandon | heh | 03:47 |
| TheMuso | No actually, make that 6. I just remembered another proprietary synth for Linux that I have, but don't use much. | 03:48 |
| ajmitch | it's hard to find motherboards with those | 03:48 |
| imbrandon | i havent seen ISA in quite a while | 03:48 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: Thats why I'm holding onto my dual celeron. | 03:48 |
| === ajmitch doesn't miss ISA | ||
| LaserJock | I have a number of ISA cards around the lab | 03:48 |
| _ion | Abit BP6? | 03:48 |
| TheMuso | _ion: Yep. | 03:48 |
| LaserJock | we "just" upgraded to PCI boards for data aquisition | 03:48 |
| imbrandon | wow | 03:48 |
| TheMuso | There is *ONE* PCI synth, but not supported in Linux yet. | 03:49 |
| imbrandon | might as well have went PCIe or something | 03:49 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: I don't think they make PCIe boards yet for what we do | 03:49 |
| _ion | It's a nice motherboard, but it has a *horrible* ATA66 controller. :-) | 03:49 |
| LaserJock | the latest and greatest is USB and Ethernet | 03:49 |
| TheMuso | _ion: Thats why I don't use it. | 03:49 |
| TheMuso | I threw in an IDE card. | 03:49 |
| bddebian | USB r t43 suXX0r | 03:49 |
| _ion | When i had one, i bought a PCI SATA controller. | 03:50 |
| TheMuso | And flashed a BIOS into it not containing the highpoint BIOS. | 03:50 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: I'm using GPIB right now, USB would be a definate step up ;-) | 03:50 |
| imbrandon | bah just use a c64 1541 floppy | 03:50 |
| TheMuso | lol | 03:50 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: BTW, help me fix that on REVU ;-P | 03:50 |
| bddebian | imbrandon: :) | 03:50 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: I've got to run home | 03:51 |
| === TheMuso has been wanting to teach himself more c code, but hasn't got around to it. | ||
| bddebian | Were you even alive when C64's were around imbrandon? | 03:51 |
| LaserJock | maybe tonight I'll have a look | 03:51 |
| LaserJock | I doubt I was | 03:51 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Well it's been up there for a few weeks :-) | 03:51 |
| imbrandon | lol yea bddebian | 03:51 |
| LaserJock | I almost missed the DOS age | 03:51 |
| _ion | You mean C64s aren't around anymore? :-) | 03:51 |
| _ion | There's a whole active demoscene around C64. ;-) | 03:51 |
| bddebian | Probably on E-Bay | 03:51 |
| TheMuso | Ideally, I'd love to write kernel drivers for all ISA/PCI synths so they appear as standard serial like devices in /dev, and then interface them with Orca. | 03:52 |
| sistpoty | I've even read some docs about making the c64 display 256 colors... with some nasty and amazing asm tricks | 03:52 |
| TheMuso | wow | 03:52 |
| === bddebian peeks and pokes | ||
| LaserJock | hmm, I usually don't use "love" "write" and "kernel" so close together | 03:53 |
| bddebian | hehe | 03:53 |
| sistpoty | lol | 03:53 |
| TheMuso | haha | 03:53 |
| TheMuso | Well as much as software speech is good, hardware will always be better. | 03:53 |
| TheMuso | Less CPU load. | 03:53 |
| LaserJock | I'm just figuring out how to write a GUI in something other than python | 03:53 |
| LaserJock | that low level stuff is going to take me forever | 03:54 |
| sistpoty | oh... I've even had a speech synth on c64... I'm still amazed that this was actually possible | 03:54 |
| crimsun | sure. "I love bug triaging sound issues in linux-source-2.6.12, linux-source-2.6.15, linux-source-2.6.17 and linux-source-2.6.20." | 03:54 |
| _ion | It shouldn't be *very* straining on CPU. | 03:54 |
| TheMuso | _ion: It isn't but I have found that dedicated hardware synths are more responsive. | 03:54 |
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| TheMuso | And it leaves CPU for more important things. | 03:54 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: How about .NET.. Just drag and drop some controls :-) | 03:54 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: probably not | 03:55 |
| LaserJock | my brain is only going to take in so many programming languages | 03:55 |
| bddebian | I'm having to play with it for work.. Sheesh... | 03:55 |
| bddebian | I used to like ASP | 03:55 |
| LaserJock | right now Fortan, Python, and C++ are more than enough to keep me busy | 03:56 |
| sistpoty | LaserJock: know one, know them all, that's what I experienced until I learned functional programming | 03:56 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I don't know any then :( | 03:56 |
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| LaserJock | I could probably use a programming course | 03:57 |
| LaserJock | I tend to do much better in an academic setting | 03:57 |
| bddebian | Define "know". I can write "Hello World" in several languages but I wouldn't say I "know" them :-) | 03:57 |
| LaserJock | exactly | 03:57 |
| sistpoty | the compiler construction course helped me a lot. If you think how the compiler does it, you suddenly understand even issues that seem weird at first. | 03:58 |
| LaserJock | I've read through the books and tutorials | 03:58 |
| _ion | Re: programming courses, some amazing lectures from the 1980s: http://johan.kiviniemi.name/blag/2007/02/13/structure-and-interpretation-of-computer-programs/ | 03:58 |
| LaserJock | but I still feel really really unprepared when I try to do anything real | 03:58 |
| bddebian | Actually I know the C syntax very well but get into linking, macros, and all that shit, I get blown away :-( | 03:58 |
| TheMuso | The only way I learn programming related stuff, is applying it to something practicle. | 03:58 |
| LaserJock | I got an autotools book out of the library the other day | 03:59 |
| LaserJock | it's been pretty good | 03:59 |
| TheMuso | I now know bash fluently, because I've had to use it a lot. | 03:59 |
| LaserJock | applies well to packaging as well, which is nice | 03:59 |
| LaserJock | my bash is good enough to be dangerous :-) | 03:59 |
| sistpoty | hehe | 03:59 |
| TheMuso | I can do php with the reference manual handy. | 03:59 |
| === bddebian can't learn from books :'-( | ||
| Laser_away | really away now | 04:00 |
| bddebian | Later man | 04:00 |
| sistpoty | cya Laser_away | 04:00 |
| TheMuso | I struggle most with languages where one has to import/include header files/libraries, as I don't use them enough to remember what I need to include. | 04:00 |
| TheMuso | However, I am able to look at some c code, and if variables/functions are named well, can work out what it does. | 04:01 |
| === sistpoty needs definitely to go to bed now | ||
| sistpoty | gn8 everyone | 04:02 |
| bddebian | Gnight sistpoty | 04:03 |
| imbrandon | bbiab | 04:10 |
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| Hobbsee | any core devs around? | 05:35 |
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| ajmitch | nope | 05:38 |
| TheMuso | heh | 05:38 |
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| Hobbsee | ajmitch: darn you. :P | 05:42 |
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| ajmitch | Hobbsee: now what did you want, and why? | 06:07 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: an amarok upload sponsor. | 06:07 |
| ajmitch | main is frozen | 06:07 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: but i'd forgotten that we were in freeze. | 06:07 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: it can wait and sit in the queue, cant it? | 06:07 |
| ajmitch | I think the preference is to check first | 06:08 |
| LaserJock | is apt-get or aptitude better for a full dist-upgrade? | 06:10 |
| LaserJock | update-manager is throwing an error | 06:11 |
| jmillikin | I prefer apt-get, since it's only one line | 06:11 |
| imbrandon | apt-get imho | 06:11 |
| === RAOF uses aptitude all the time | ||
| imbrandon | aptitude tries to be too smart | 06:11 |
| RAOF | You just need to read what it says it'll do. | 06:12 |
| LaserJock | heh | 06:12 |
| imbrandon | and half the time i dont want it to do what it says ;) | 06:12 |
| LaserJock | I haven't had a ton of success with it | 06:12 |
| LaserJock | you really have to stay on top of it or it gets way too messy | 06:12 |
| imbrandon | yea | 06:12 |
| === ajmitch likes aptitude most of the time | ||
| imbrandon | anyhow off to work for a few hours , see yall when i get there | 06:13 |
| ajmitch | bye imbrandon :) | 06:13 |
| LaserJock | hmm, my karma is going to be 0 in a few weeks | 06:14 |
| bddebian | heh | 06:14 |
| ajmitch | mine is already close to 0 | 06:14 |
| LaserJock | mine has been cut in half since their change | 06:14 |
| === ajmitch has ~11K | ||
| LaserJock | I've barely go 2k | 06:15 |
| imbrandon | mine went from 16K to 4K | 06:15 |
| imbrandon | bbiab | 06:15 |
| ajmitch | surprising, I only had 7K last week | 06:15 |
| ajmitch | I didn't think I'd get that much in a week | 06:16 |
| === ajmitch obviously needs to work harder to catch up with motu superstars | ||
| === LaserJock needs to join some super bug processing team ;-) | ||
| bddebian | LaserJock: Nah, just write some specs ;-P | 06:18 |
| === Fujitsu had 12k immediately after the Great Reduction(tm), and it has significantly dropped now :( | ||
| Fujitsu | bddebian: Or use the support tracker! | 06:19 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: it's 13K now, what are you complaining about? | 06:19 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: make a new translation, and do lots of it. | 06:19 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch: Is it!? | 06:19 |
| Fujitsu | How odd. | 06:19 |
| Fujitsu | It was 9.5k when I last checked. | 06:19 |
| ajmitch | yes, and mine was about 7.2K last week | 06:19 |
| LaserJock | specs are good | 06:19 |
| TheMuso | Do you get karma when you upload? | 06:19 |
| Fujitsu | It'd be nice if it didn't fluctuate like that. | 06:20 |
| === ajmitch is shocked | ||
| Hobbsee | 18K now. pathetic. | 06:20 |
| === Fujitsu sends Launchpad back to school. | ||
| Fujitsu | 1022+1165 != 13139 | 06:20 |
| ajmitch | launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/+polls | 06:20 |
| ajmitch | people actually voted no for dholbach | 06:20 |
| LaserJock | TheMuso: no | 06:20 |
| ajmitch | 1 person voted no for me :) | 06:21 |
| Hobbsee | oh yes, i need to vote on that | 06:21 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: too late | 06:21 |
| Hobbsee | Support Tracker 773 | 06:21 |
| Hobbsee | you're kidding, right? i filed one support request, maybe two... | 06:21 |
| TheMuso | SO what was the result? | 06:21 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: MC voting closed, you had 2 weeks | 06:21 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: look at the url | 06:21 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 06:21 |
| Hobbsee | 3 disapproved, it seems | 06:21 |
| Hobbsee | of dholbach | 06:22 |
| ajmitch | count the approved/disapproved for each candidate | 06:22 |
| ajmitch | I'm worried about that | 06:22 |
| ajmitch | why would 3 people disapprove of dholbach? | 06:22 |
| TheMuso | Rightr | 06:22 |
| TheMuso | Yeah. | 06:22 |
| TheMuso | Why would they? | 06:22 |
| Hobbsee | because he's doing the CC | 06:22 |
| ajmitch | cc nomination was only public yesterday | 06:23 |
| ajmitch | I doubt it would have changed peoples minds | 06:23 |
| Hobbsee | where do we vote for CC nominations, btw? | 06:23 |
| Hobbsee | true | 06:23 |
| Hobbsee | enough troubles with the forums stuff, though | 06:23 |
| bddebian | Shit, I forgot to vote too :'-( | 06:24 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: you don't vote yet | 06:24 |
| ajmitch | polls are not open | 06:24 |
| Hobbsee | darn :( | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | I'm amazed we had that many votes then | 06:24 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: Shame for anybody disapproving you | 06:24 |
| === Hobbsee is *definetly* going to vote on that one | ||
| LaserJock | if Hobbsee and bddebian missed it | 06:24 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: it was expected | 06:25 |
| TheMuso | well thats settled. | 06:25 |
| ajmitch | oh well | 06:26 |
| ajmitch | I guess I have to do stuff now | 06:26 |
| LaserJock | well, we at least have to have the *appearence* that there was a reason to vote | 06:26 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 06:26 |
| ajmitch | what's funny is that I had the most votes | 06:27 |
| === LaserJock voted against all the candidates | ||
| TheMuso | LaserJock: Bull**** | 06:27 |
| LaserJock | Long Live the MOTU Trinity! | 06:27 |
| ajmitch | 31 votes in total for me, yet dholbach had 30, crimsun 29, sistpoty 27, gpocentek 21 | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | TheMuso: fine, you caught me | 06:28 |
| ajmitch | you'd think that people would try & vote for everyone | 06:28 |
| TheMuso | Yeah. | 06:28 |
| ajmitch | screwy people | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: I think you can cast a "I don't care" vote | 06:28 |
| ajmitch | even so.. | 06:28 |
| ajmitch | strange | 06:28 |
| TheMuso | Well I said yes to all. | 06:29 |
| TheMuso | I have had packages reviewed by all of those people at some point. | 06:29 |
| ajmitch | hehe | 06:29 |
| ajmitch | so that was your criteria for voting? | 06:29 |
| TheMuso | Not at all. | 06:29 |
| TheMuso | But I have worked with you all, which gives me an insite as to what you are like with MOTU work. | 06:29 |
| TheMuso | SO it was based on having worked with the candidates previously. | 06:30 |
| TheMuso | Ok, what do we do if our membership is about to expire? | 06:34 |
| TheMuso | I know we have to contact Denis, but where from there? | 06:34 |
| Fujitsu | It was discussed at the last CC meeting. | 06:36 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 06:36 |
| Fujitsu | (note that your membership won't actually vanish until your ubuntu-dev membership does, as ubuntu-dev is a member of ubuntumembers) | 06:37 |
| TheMuso | Right so I don't need to worry about it, or should I contact Dennis anyway? | 06:37 |
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| ajmitch | talk to him | 06:38 |
| TheMuso | Yeah ok | 06:38 |
| TheMuso | ok thanks | 06:41 |
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| bddebian | Gnight gang | 07:01 |
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| LaserJock | welcome Prince Daniel! | 07:24 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:24 |
| dholbach | good morning Seor LaserJock :) | 07:24 |
| Fujitsu | Hey dholbach. | 07:25 |
| Hobbsee | hey dholbach | 07:25 |
| dholbach | heya Fujitsu, hey ho | 07:25 |
| dholbach | Hobbsee :-) | 07:25 |
| dholbach | lalala :) | 07:25 |
| Lutin | hay there | 07:26 |
| dholbach | heya Lutin | 07:28 |
| Hobbsee | dholbach: hehe, i dont get a title? | 07:29 |
| Lutin | heya dholbach | 07:29 |
| === dholbach hugs Hobbsee | ||
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| === Hobbsee hugs dholbach back | ||
| LaserJock | Hobbsee: She-Ra, Princess of Power | 07:31 |
| LaserJock | so says google | 07:31 |
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| Hobbsee | LaserJock: heh, oookay then! | 07:32 |
| LaserJock | I think it goes well with the DOOM stick | 07:33 |
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| TheMuso | haha | 07:37 |
| Lutin | I see some packages install their man3 pages in /usr/share/doc/<package>/man/man3. what's the difference with the packages installing them in /usr/share/man/man3 ? | 07:38 |
| joejaxx | hello all | 07:39 |
| joejaxx | :) | 07:39 |
| LaserJock | hi joejaxx | 07:39 |
| joejaxx | hello LaserJock | 07:39 |
| matt_good | I think there's a problem with the REVU password recovery | 07:40 |
| matt_good | see http://revu.tauware.de/lostpw.py?email=abcd | 07:40 |
| matt_good | I get the same message with my email address | 07:41 |
| matt_good | some instructions for using GPG, and "Now paste the text below,", but there's no more text | 07:42 |
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| tonyyarusso | Query: Why is Livejournal (blogging software) not in the repos? It seems to be GPL2+, btw. | 07:44 |
| RAOF | Because no-one's packaged it? | 07:44 |
| RAOF | Is it in Debian? | 07:44 |
| tonyyarusso | RAOF: Not sure - I'll check | 07:44 |
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| tonyyarusso | RAOF: No. | 07:45 |
| RAOF | tonyyarusso: So, the reason is because no-one's packaged it :) | 07:46 |
| RAOF | (that's your cue) | 07:46 |
| tonyyarusso | RAOF: Cool, simple enough. I've been meaning to teach myself how to package anyway - maybe I'll give it a whirl. | 07:46 |
| RAOF | The Ubuntu packaging guide is cool. | 07:46 |
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| LaserJock | it' | 07:46 |
| RAOF | Also, CDBS is awesome if the program doesn't do anything crazy. | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | it's getting there | 07:47 |
| tonyyarusso | CDBS? | 07:47 |
| RAOF | Common Debian Build System. | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | it's a build helper | 07:47 |
| RAOF | Basically, a whole series of makefile scripts that you include into debian/rules | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | debhelper is the other common one | 07:47 |
| tonyyarusso | Is it better to read the debian new maintainers guide first (what I tried before) or the Ubuntu guide first? | 07:47 |
| RAOF | Which takes care of everything for you. | 07:47 |
| RAOF | I read the Ubuntu guide first. | 07:48 |
| LaserJock | *cough*Ubuntu Packaging Guide *cough* | 07:48 |
| RAOF | Debian's good for actual policy things. | 07:48 |
| tonyyarusso | So that's two votes for Ubuntu. | 07:48 |
| LaserJock | tonyyarusso: I wrote the packaging guide as basically a replacement for the new maintainers guid | 07:48 |
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| tonyyarusso | LaserJock: Hopefully it's less confusing? | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | I personally think the packaging guide and the Debian Policy are good places to go | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | I hope so | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | let me know if you hit snags | 07:49 |
| RAOF | I *certainly* recommend the packaging guide. | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | I think it's really tough to make a packaging doc that is both easy to read/learn and comprehensive | 07:50 |
| RAOF | Yeah, there's a lot to learn. | 07:50 |
| tonyyarusso | Yup | 07:51 |
| RAOF | Just ask if you run into snags, though. I'll be happy to help. | 07:51 |
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| tonyyarusso | sure thing - thanks | 07:52 |
| LaserJock | you can file bugs at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs/+filebug for the packaging guide too | 07:53 |
| tonyyarusso | btw, how is it done that things are built for multiple architectures? Is that just a compile option, or do you need different machines? | 07:53 |
| LaserJock | tonyyarusso: when a packag is uploaded it is sent to the Ubuntu build machines | 07:54 |
| LaserJock | we only upload source packages | 07:54 |
| tonyyarusso | (Also, I assume at this stage in the game I should shoot for Feisty+1 inclusion, if anything?) | 07:54 |
| tonyyarusso | aaaah | 07:54 |
| LaserJock | unless you are very quick | 07:54 |
| LaserJock | deadline is 22nd | 07:54 |
| tonyyarusso | Hmm, ok. | 07:54 |
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| RAOF | I need to push gandalfn to get gnome-compiz-manager reviewed and fixed. Sooon! | 07:55 |
| tonyyarusso | um, where IS the packaging guide these days? | 07:56 |
| === tonyyarusso hasn't learned the reorganized help yet | ||
| LaserJock | tonyyarusso: use doc.ubuntu.com | 07:56 |
| LaserJock | on the bottom right | 07:56 |
| tonyyarusso | LaserJock: Can I install it, pretty please? | 07:56 |
| LaserJock | not presently, actually | 07:56 |
| LaserJock | I'm splitting it off into a seperate binary package | 07:57 |
| tonyyarusso | hoh boy | 07:57 |
| LaserJock | so far in feisty it's not installed | 07:57 |
| tonyyarusso | LaserJock: Quickly, preferably. ;) | 07:57 |
| LaserJock | because of the help reorganization | 07:57 |
| tonyyarusso | LaserJock: Reason being, every time I want to go to the next page, I'll need to grab a snack while it loads. | 07:58 |
| LaserJock | lol | 07:58 |
| tonyyarusso | dialup is FUUUNNN | 07:58 |
| LaserJock | you *could* get the pdf of the edgy version | 07:58 |
| LaserJock | from help.ubuntu.com | 07:58 |
| tonyyarusso | pdf isn't too great either | 07:58 |
| LaserJock | hmm, maybe I should build my own .debs of it | 07:59 |
| LaserJock | I've got to have some excuse to have my own repo ;-) | 07:59 |
| RAOF | LaserJock: I suggest building debs for random SVN snapshots. That's why my repository exists :) | 08:00 |
| LaserJock | RAOF: how is the packaging subforum of the subforum going? :-) | 08:01 |
| RAOF | It's been ages since I've been there, frankly. | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | me too | 08:02 |
| RAOF | LaserJock: Do you want to review gnome-compiz-manager, while I ask the packager if he'd be ok with me handling the packages :)? | 08:02 |
| LaserJock | sorry, I actually have to get to bed right now | 08:03 |
| LaserJock | good night all | 08:03 |
| RAOF | Curse you and your sleeep! | 08:03 |
| RAOF | Night. | 08:03 |
| Laser_away | sorry RAOF, even the best of us have to sleep | 08:03 |
| Laser_away | except crimsun of course | 08:03 |
| Fujitsu | Night, Laser_away. | 08:03 |
| tonyyarusso | dude, is irssi ignoring nickchanges? | 08:05 |
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| tonyyarusso | oh, yep | 08:06 |
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| tonyyarusso | Please tell me you're kidding... | 08:18 |
| tonyyarusso | "Creating a pbuilder environment will take some time as debootstrap essentially downloads a minimal Ubuntu installation." | 08:18 |
| tonyyarusso | It would probably take me until the 22nd to do that... | 08:18 |
| tonyyarusso | :( | 08:18 |
| Fujitsu | Well, that's what it does. | 08:18 |
| tonyyarusso | oh boy | 08:18 |
| tonyyarusso | This is going to get interesting. | 08:18 |
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| tonyyarusso | Public library, here I come. | 08:19 |
| janm | tonyyarusso, have you tried cowbuilder? It's quicker but a li'l bit trickier than pbuilder. | 08:26 |
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| tonyyarusso | janm: Haven't tried anything yet. | 08:27 |
| tonyyarusso | Basically, anything is going to be slow here. | 08:27 |
| tonyyarusso | We have dialup :P | 08:27 |
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| janm | tonyyarusso, :) | 08:29 |
| tonyyarusso | Well, that's all for tonight. | 08:33 |
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| StevenK | cowbuilder looks neat. I'm just not sure how to update a cowbuilder build place. | 08:57 |
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| imbrandon | hum | 10:04 |
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| RAOF | The peasants run in confusion. | 10:06 |
| imbrandon | lol | 10:09 |
| lucas | if someone was planning to write an article for debaday.debian.net, please do so now, as we don't have any article ready in the queue | 10:11 |
| imbrandon | heya lucas | 10:12 |
| imbrandon | hum i dont have time to tonight, i have been meaning to try to get one up | 10:12 |
| imbrandon | maybe the next day or so | 10:12 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | this may not be the correct place to ask - but how does ubuntu get the 'translate this app' and 'get help online' into every app. are they manually patched in, or is there an automated way? | 10:16 |
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| imbrandon | its patched into the kde libs ( and i assume gnomelibs too ) | 10:17 |
| jwhitlark | hmm. doesn't look like there's ever been an article done on multitail... | 10:17 |
| imbrandon | Kamping_Kaiser, look at launchpad-intergration iirc ( the package ) | 10:18 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | imbrandon, thanks, i'll check it out. | 10:18 |
| imbrandon | heya jwhitlark | 10:18 |
| jwhitlark | heya, what's up. how was the motu meeting? | 10:18 |
| imbrandon | i missed it, durring my sleep time, i have to catch the minutes today | 10:19 |
| jwhitlark | ah. what's new since UDS? anything interesting? | 10:19 |
| imbrandon | a few things, not alot | 10:20 |
| imbrandon | motu wise or with me? | 10:20 |
| jwhitlark | life treating you ok? | 10:20 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 10:20 |
| jwhitlark | you. | 10:20 |
| imbrandon | with me, new job, new car, divorced wife, ummmm and ummm yea | 10:20 |
| imbrandon | :) | 10:20 |
| imbrandon | took a packaging break for a few weeks , but i've been catching back up the last month or so | 10:21 |
| jwhitlark | heh, when you were talking about work, I was thinking, 'I thought he was self employed...' | 10:21 |
| imbrandon | working on ways to get to the various confrences, even got a talk scheduled at one heh | 10:21 |
| jwhitlark | divorce is final now then, huh. | 10:21 |
| imbrandon | yup yup, 1000% done | 10:21 |
| jwhitlark | cool, which one and what talk? | 10:22 |
| jwhitlark | good for you. | 10:22 |
| imbrandon | ubuntu live, and about the use of Ubuntu in a Corp env | 10:22 |
| jwhitlark | oooohhhhh. shiny.... | 10:22 |
| imbrandon | other than that alot of the same old same old | 10:22 |
| jwhitlark | heh, considering how bad I screwed up V. Day, I might be joining you.... | 10:23 |
| imbrandon | hahah hows that? | 10:23 |
| imbrandon | brb one sec, phone | 10:23 |
| imbrandon | re | 10:29 |
| jwhitlark | well, what I said was 'I'll cook dinner', what she heard was 'I'm going to server you a four course meal with champagne, candlelight, flowers, gifts, a fire in the fireplace, and everything will be perfect and you won't have to do a thing.' | 10:30 |
| imbrandon | hahahah that sounds so right | 10:30 |
| imbrandon | been there | 10:30 |
| ajmitch | hah | 10:30 |
| imbrandon | heya ajmitch | 10:31 |
| ajmitch | for me, it was just sitting at home in front of irc ;) | 10:31 |
| jwhitlark | so now I'm going to take friday off and surprise her with what she thought she was getting, otherwise I'll here about it for weeks... | 10:31 |
| imbrandon | for me it was sleeping off a hangover | 10:31 |
| ajmitch | hi | 10:31 |
| jwhitlark | hehe | 10:31 |
| imbrandon | lol | 10:31 |
| imbrandon | right on, good .plan | 10:31 |
| StevenK | For me, it was a candlelit dinner. | 10:31 |
| === ajmitch is still rather single, so doesn't have to worry about those death threats | ||
| imbrandon | StevenK, alone? just teasin | 10:32 |
| jwhitlark | she's asleep now, but I'm kinda annoyed about it, so I was playing python challenge for a while... | 10:32 |
| jwhitlark | ajmitch, there's something too that... | 10:32 |
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| imbrandon | zomg http://digg.com/tech_news/U_S_senator_It_s_time_to_ban_Wikipedia_in_schools_libraries | 10:32 |
| imbrandon | how clueless is the goverment | 10:33 |
| jwhitlark | saw it. that jerk with the pipes again. | 10:33 |
| imbrandon | s/the/our | 10:33 |
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| imbrandon | yea the pipes / truck intarweb dweeb | 10:34 |
| ajmitch | heh | 10:34 |
| ajmitch | everyone knows the internet is done by wet pieces of string | 10:35 |
| jwhitlark | this is pretty tight, look how many people have conquered the middle east: http://mapsofwar.com/ind/imperial-history.html | 10:35 |
| ajmitch | at least to NZ | 10:35 |
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| jwhitlark | ajmitch, I though it was dixie cups and dry string?! Are you giving away trade secrets!!! | 10:35 |
| ajmitch | no, wet string for us | 10:37 |
| ajmitch | there's too much ocean to keep it dry | 10:37 |
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| ajmitch | though they are upgrading the piece of string to 1.2Tbps, I heard | 10:37 |
| jwhitlark | heh | 10:38 |
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| jwhitlark | imbrandon, any more thoughts about pycon? | 10:39 |
| ajmitch | so good to see NEW still stalled | 10:40 |
| TheMuso | Hey all once again. | 10:43 |
| imbrandon | heya TheMuso | 10:45 |
| ajmitch | hi TheMuso | 10:46 |
| imbrandon | jwhitlark, yea i'm gonna take a day trip mostlikely unless something crazy pops up | 10:46 |
| imbrandon | i have the time/money to doso | 10:46 |
| jwhitlark | cool, catch ya there. | 10:46 |
| imbrandon | ok bbiab , i have to get some real work done ( back in 1 hour or so ) | 10:46 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: cool, want to sponsor a trip for me? | 10:47 |
| imbrandon | new nagios server here i come | 10:47 |
| jwhitlark | let me know when you're going, we'll set ya up in a room share. | 10:47 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, i totaly wish i could, maybe when it gets closer to time i can for ubuntu live | 10:47 |
| ajmitch | hehe | 10:47 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 10:47 |
| jwhitlark | you use dapper or edgy for nagios? | 10:47 |
| ajmitch | it's ok, it'd cost a fortune :) | 10:47 |
| imbrandon | edgy , its the only one with the perc 5/i raid controller drivers | 10:47 |
| jwhitlark | ah, that's what I'm running mine on too. | 10:48 |
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| imbrandon | so we use edgy on almost all our servers because most dell's ( mostly 2950's ) have the perc 5/i | 10:48 |
| jwhitlark | now if only I could get that NT4 domain to samba migration working... | 10:48 |
| imbrandon | i have them all on win2k3 AD auth | 10:49 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 10:49 |
| jwhitlark | @^$%^$%^# thing has been giving me fits! | 10:49 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | jwhitlark, samba4's vampire looks pretty cool | 10:49 |
| ajmitch | should be trivial | 10:49 |
| imbrandon | should be simple | 10:49 |
| imbrandon | i dident have much problems | 10:49 |
| StevenK | Kamping_Kaiser: Now with longer fangs! | 10:49 |
| ajmitch | Kamping_Kaiser: sure, but samba4 is a long way off | 10:49 |
| jwhitlark | except I can't get it to join the bloody domain! | 10:49 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | ajmitch, unfortunately so | 10:49 |
| jwhitlark | at all! | 10:49 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | StevenK, woot ;) | 10:50 |
| imbrandon | jwhitlark, lemme get this nagios thing done for work then i'll shoot you the doc we use inhouse for setting it up | 10:50 |
| imbrandon | should be simple | 10:50 |
| jwhitlark | cool, thanks. | 10:50 |
| imbrandon | takes me less than 10 minutes to get a new box on the domain | 10:50 |
| jwhitlark | as PDC? | 10:51 |
| imbrandon | no as a member, our pdc and bdc are true 2k3 servers | 10:51 |
| jwhitlark | ah. | 10:51 |
| imbrandon | but pdc should be easier than a member | 10:51 |
| jwhitlark | want to email it to me? jwhitlark@zentek.com | 10:51 |
| imbrandon | yea give me a few, might be at the end of my shit but i'll get it out to ya | 10:52 |
| === ajmitch should go & sleep & play with python stuff & AD tomorrow | ||
| imbrandon | shift* | 10:52 |
| ajmitch | hehe | 10:52 |
| ajmitch | nice typo | 10:52 |
| imbrandon | haha yea | 10:52 |
| jwhitlark | no prob. I'm going to bed anyway. | 10:52 |
| ajmitch | anyway, night all | 10:52 |
| imbrandon | gnight ajmitch | 10:52 |
| jwhitlark | nite | 10:52 |
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| TheMuso | Good evening Princess of power. :p | 12:34 |
| TheMuso | The title bestoed upon Hobbsee by Laserjock I think. | 12:34 |
| Hobbsee | hehe :) | 12:35 |
| === Fujitsu shakes fist. | ||
| === tsmithe shakes cloak | ||
| Fujitsu | Aha! I graffitied that one, remember? | 12:37 |
| TheMuso | hahahahahahaha | 12:37 |
| StevenK | Fujitsu: Unidentify, it'd drop the cloak. :-P | 12:37 |
| TheMuso | hahahaha | 12:37 |
| === TheMuso injects enjoyable music directly into the brain. | ||
| === coNP notices now tsmithe 's shiny new cloak | ||
| tsmithe | :) | 12:41 |
| geser | dholbach: about bug #85135: is it important that I become bug contact because I don't speak haskell? I wouldn't be much help | 12:44 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 85135 in gtk2hs "[UVF exception] Sync gtk2hs (0.9.10.5-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85135 | 12:44 |
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| geser | dholbach: gtk2hs was first uploaded in feisty and ftbfs because we have ghc 6.6 already so we don't have any binaries yet | 12:45 |
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| dholbach | geser: gtk2hs doesn't have that many bugs... I think it's important to have somebody who can liaise with upstream once we get a new version in that is broken | 12:46 |
| dholbach | daniel@lovegood:~/bzr/bughelper.dev$ ./bugnumbers --stats gtk2hs | 12:46 |
| dholbach | Total Bugs: 1 | 12:46 |
| dholbach | Status: {'Needs Info': 1} | 12:46 |
| dholbach | Importance: {'Undecided': 1} | 12:46 |
| dholbach | daniel@lovegood:~/bzr/bughelper.dev$ | 12:46 |
| dholbach | I can't force you to do it... I just think it'd be a good idea :) | 12:46 |
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| geser | it doesn't have any bugs because it never got build successfully | 12:48 |
| dholbach | right | 12:48 |
| dholbach | I appreciate you working on it | 12:48 |
| coNP | is it a gtk-binding for haskell? | 12:49 |
| geser | gtk2hs is blocking the removal of the old mozilla suite as the gtk2hs build-depends on mozilla-dev | 12:49 |
| dholbach | It's ok if you decide to not be bug contact for a while. | 12:50 |
| geser | coNP: yes | 12:51 |
| coNP | geser: that sounds very nice :) | 12:51 |
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| fernando | moin all | 01:02 |
| TheMuso | One more logn email to reply to, and then thats it for me tonight. | 01:17 |
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| imbrandon | heh | 01:27 |
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| gpocentek | hello Universe | 04:14 |
| phanatic | hi gpocentek | 04:14 |
| gpocentek | hi phanatic :) | 04:15 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 04:34 |
| phanatic | hey bddebian | 04:35 |
| bddebian | Heya phanatic | 04:36 |
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| pochu | hello everybody! I've a problem with the dependencies: listen needs python-mutagen, but if I add it to the build-deps, when it's built, it doesn't have python-mutagen in the normal build-deps, do I need to put it in both build-deps and deps? | 04:51 |
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| ScottK | pochu: Does it need python-mutagen to build or just to run? | 05:01 |
| pochu | ScottK: both | 05:01 |
| ScottK | Then I'm pretty sure you have to list it both places. | 05:01 |
| === ScottK is relatively knew at this, so don't take it as gospel. | ||
| pochu | ScottK: ok, thanks. I thought it would be put automatically in build with ${misc:Depends} | 05:02 |
| === pochu is a noob :) | ||
| ScottK | I'm pretty sure not. Otherwise you'd never have build-deps that weren't runtime deps when you used it. | 05:03 |
| pochu | ScottK: ok, thanks a lot! | 05:03 |
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| pochu | is universe frozen? | 05:22 |
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| bddebian | For Upstream Version bumps, yes. Not for NEW | 05:23 |
| pochu | bddebian: and for bug fixes? | 05:25 |
| pochu | I mean: -0ubuntu1 ---> -0ubuntu2 :) | 05:25 |
| bddebian | NOpe that's fine | 05:26 |
| pochu | ok, thanks :) | 05:26 |
| matt_good | bddebian: are you or someone else here able to re-sync the REVU keyring? | 05:32 |
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| bddebian | matt_good: Not me, sorry | 05:45 |
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| cbx33 | anyone ever experienced a problem with network-manager | 06:04 |
| cbx33 | it's just lost all my network interfaces | 06:04 |
| cbx33 | reboot does nothing | 06:04 |
| giskard | did you read /usr/share/doc/n-m/README.Debian? | 06:04 |
| cbx33 | not yet | 06:04 |
| cbx33 | it was woring fine | 06:04 |
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| Lutin | hay there | 06:07 |
| cbx33 | yeh read that | 06:08 |
| cbx33 | no help ;) | 06:08 |
| Lutin | any doxygen master around ? :) | 06:09 |
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| Laser_away | stink | 06:35 |
| Laser_away | I dist upgraded my desktop last night and I lost USB | 06:35 |
| crimsun | nice, that's about as vague as one can be. | 06:37 |
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| ogra | crimsun, nah ... "upgraded, now doesnt work" is vague ... :) | 06:39 |
| ogra | you have at least a pointer what doesnt work ... thanks to developer experience on the reporters side *g* | 06:39 |
| Laser_away | hehe | 06:39 |
| Laser_away | well, all I know is devices are dead | 06:40 |
| ogra | check dmesg and the other usual suspects ... if nothing helps blame Keybuk :) | 06:40 |
| Laser_away | I'm checking dmesg | 06:41 |
| Laser_away | gotta figure out what it's IP address is first (n-m blew away my network setup) | 06:41 |
| Laser_away | wha??? | 06:43 |
| Laser_away | how did I end up with Xen kernels | 06:43 |
| Laser_away | grrrr | 06:50 |
| Laser_away | ok, I got USB back by not using the Xen kernel | 06:50 |
| Laser_away | although I have no idea why I have a Xen kernel | 06:50 |
| Laser_away | but still no networking as it seems that n-m still doesn't play well with static IPs | 06:51 |
| crimsun | known issue, thanks for playing! | 06:51 |
| Laser_away | I thought they fixed that | 06:51 |
| Laser_away | guess not | 06:51 |
| Laser_away | so now I've got to remove n-m and ubuntu-desktop :/ | 06:52 |
| Laser_away | is there a way I can just turn it off without removing it? | 06:52 |
| zul | Laser_away: why are you using the xen kernel? | 06:52 |
| zul | and edgy or feisty? :) | 06:53 |
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| Laser_away | zul: feisty, and I'm not using it | 06:56 |
| zul | ok.. | 06:56 |
| Laser_away | I have no idea why it's there | 06:56 |
| zul | weird... | 06:56 |
| Laser_away | I dist-upgraded and it was the default in my grub | 06:57 |
| Laser_away | what package provides it? | 06:57 |
| zul | xen-image-2.6.19 | 06:57 |
| Laser_away | why the heck do they have a "Static Configuration" button if it doesn't even work?? | 06:58 |
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| ajmitch | good morning all | 08:15 |
| LaserJock | morning andrew | 08:15 |
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| gpocentek | hello ajmitch, hello LaserJock | 08:16 |
| LaserJock | hi gpocentek, congrats on MOTU Councilship | 08:16 |
| LaserJock | congrats to ajmitch as well | 08:16 |
| ajmitch | ugh | 08:18 |
| ajmitch | more slavery | 08:18 |
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| gnomefreak | they results from the voting is out? | 08:19 |
| ajmitch | of course | 08:19 |
| ajmitch | they were out yesterday | 08:19 |
| gnomefreak | just ajmitch and gpocentek made it? | 08:19 |
| ajmitch | no | 08:21 |
| ajmitch | everyone made it | 08:21 |
| gnomefreak | ah cool | 08:21 |
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| cbx33 | do we have a procedure for remastering a live cd yet? | 08:34 |
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| gpocentek | LaserJock: thanks :) | 08:55 |
| LaserJock | cbx33: Reconstructor and UCK, what do you mean by "we". The MOTU don't care about live cd remastering ;-) | 08:57 |
| cbx33 | oooooh | 08:57 |
| ajmitch | we just grovel in the dirt looking after the scraps that others don't want ;) | 08:59 |
| LaserJock | lol | 09:00 |
| LaserJock | we just have the real deal | 09:00 |
| ajmitch | gpocentek: so, thoughts on how you'll begin your reign of terror? | 09:02 |
| zul | i welcome our new overlords | 09:03 |
| gpocentek | ajmitch: not really, maybe just write a "you have to do this" script :) | 09:04 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch: You are master of the Ubuntu Zopeness... I've added a zope3 Ubuntu task to a bug previously in SchoolTool (bug #80195). It's fixed in Feisty, but not in Edgy. Care to accept the Edgy task? | 09:10 |
| ajmitch | heh | 09:10 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 80195 in zope3 "Edgy Bug" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80195 | 09:10 |
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| ajmitch | depends on what it is | 09:10 |
| Fujitsu | A two line fix. | 09:11 |
| Fujitsu | For working with Python 2.4.4. | 09:11 |
| ajmitch | ooh, SRU | 09:11 |
| ajmitch | it looks worthwhile, you want to prepare the SRU magic debdiff? | 09:11 |
| Fujitsu | Sure. | 09:11 |
| ajmitch | ok, approved bug | 09:11 |
| ajmitch | once LP responds | 09:11 |
| Fujitsu | I'll do it some time in the next few hours, I've got to prepare for school. | 09:12 |
| ajmitch | sure | 09:12 |
| Fujitsu | So it's not just me thinking LP is horribly slow? | 09:12 |
| === ajmitch is running off to work now | ||
| ajmitch | oh no, LP is a dog most of the time :) | 09:12 |
| ajmitch | a malnourished dog with a broken leg | 09:12 |
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| Burgwork | which has been whipped | 09:13 |
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| ajmitch | Fujitsu: oh it is in main, isn't it? | 09:20 |
| ajmitch | how annoying | 09:20 |
| Fujitsu | It is, I discovered to my horror. | 09:20 |
| LaserJock | schooltool? | 09:21 |
| ajmitch | it'll need to be demoted for feisty if it stays broken | 09:21 |
| ajmitch | zope3 | 09:21 |
| ajmitch | which schooltool needs | 09:21 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, SchoolTool is, and it breaks SchoolTool, but zope3 is the package in question. | 09:21 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch: I am able to get a SVN checkout working on Feisty fine. | 09:22 |
| ajmitch | oh good | 09:22 |
| ajmitch | I was afraid the API would have changed too much | 09:22 |
| Fujitsu | SVN checkout of zope3, that is. | 09:22 |
| ajmitch | oh | 09:22 |
| Fujitsu | Not twisted web2. | 09:22 |
| Fujitsu | I haven't tried that yet. | 09:22 |
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| Fujitsu | I realise that. | 09:23 |
| ajmitch | the only way forward might be to cut out patches & graft them onto 3.3.0 | 09:23 |
| ajmitch | talk with doko about it | 09:23 |
| Fujitsu | Will do. I want Zope working :) | 09:23 |
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| ajmitch | I mainly use 2.9 though | 09:24 |
| ajmitch | plone don't work with 2.10 yet :) | 09:24 |
| doko | ajmitch: 3.0alpha2 should ... | 09:24 |
| ajmitch | sure, but I won't want to run an alpha on a production site just yet | 09:25 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, so why don't we have a "Welcome MC" email to -motu ? | 09:36 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: because there's no need | 09:37 |
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| LaserJock | ajmitch: why not? we've waited for a long time | 09:42 |
| ajmitch | email the list if you think it's important :) | 09:44 |
| LaserJock | I was looking for something more official, but maybe | 09:45 |
| ajmitch | dholbach may mail the list once it's all sorted out | 09:45 |
| LaserJock | maybe I'll just blog it ;-) | 09:45 |
| LaserJock | I still haven't finished my blog from yesterday | 09:46 |
| ajmitch | haha | 09:46 |
| === ajmitch will put a blog up soon, honest | ||
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| zul | ajmitch: dholbach maybe on holiday as well | 09:47 |
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| ajmitch | hm, he said he'd be off for the weekend | 09:48 |
| ajmitch | I didn't think he'd leave already | 09:48 |
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| TheMuso | Hey MOTUs. | 10:43 |
| bddebian | Hello TheMuso | 10:44 |
| === pochu isn't a motu, but waves anyway | ||
| TheMuso | I almost forgot. Hey MOTU hopefuls. | 10:44 |
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| pochu | hey TheMuso :) | 10:47 |
| pochu | TheMuso: can you upload to universe, now that it's frozen (I think) | 10:47 |
| TheMuso | pochu: It depends on what there is to upload. | 10:47 |
| pochu | TheMuso: bug 84264 (they are 2 bugs) | 10:48 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 84264 in ltris "some games do not install gnome menu items: lmarbles, ltris, pingus" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84264 | 10:48 |
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| jharr | pbuilder build *.dsc should spit out some .debs right? | 11:00 |
| jharr | err "a .deb" | 11:00 |
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| LaserJock | yep | 11:00 |
| jharr | pbuilder seems to be running fine, however I get no package back when I run it | 11:02 |
| ajmitch | jharr: it sticks it in the results dir | 11:03 |
| ajmitch | by default, /var/cache/pbuilder/result, I think | 11:03 |
| jharr | ahh | 11:04 |
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| pochu | TheMuso: can you upload that? | 11:04 |
| jharr | Maybe i was using a different tool when I got the .deb in $PWD. | 11:04 |
| === jharr is glad he's not going crazy | ||
| ajmitch | maybe straight debuild | 11:05 |
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| TheMuso | pochu: Sorry mate, I'm currently busy with more important things for me atm. | 11:09 |
| pochu | TheMuso: np :) just if you have time to review it, I would appreciate it, but do the more important things first ;) | 11:09 |
| shawarma | pochu: I don't know if anyone told you yet, but you should rather subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors rather than -contributors. | 11:10 |
| shawarma | pochu: I already did it for you for this bug. :-) | 11:11 |
| shawarma | pochu: And sorry, I don't have the time to upload it for you either. | 11:11 |
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| shawarma | pochu: -contributors is everyone who can upload to REVU. I'm guessing most of them won't care much about this bug. :-) | 11:15 |
| pochu | shawarma: oh, thanks a lot! | 11:16 |
| pochu | I'll remember that :) | 11:16 |
| Marsmensch | when will herd4 be released? | 11:16 |
| pochu | Marsmensch: tonight, I think | 11:16 |
| pochu | or tomorrow morning | 11:16 |
| Marsmensch | so i have to wait another day ... | 11:16 |
| Marsmensch | :-( | 11:16 |
| LaserJock | Marsmensch: what do you want it for? | 11:17 |
| shawarma | pochu: no problem. | 11:17 |
| Marsmensch | LaserJock: i wanted to reinstall my laptop and thought i could test feisty | 11:18 |
| LaserJock | Marsmensch: well, you *could* get the latest daily if you wanted | 11:19 |
| Marsmensch | hmmm, yeah, but i think i will wait another day ... i also need some time to backup the old files | 11:20 |
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| Adri2000 | pochu: I'll look at your debdiffs tomorrow (UTC afternoon) if no one does it until then | 11:31 |
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| pochu | Adri2000: thanks :) | 11:32 |
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| crimsun | pochu: uploaded. | 11:42 |
| Adri2000 | pochu: ^ ;) | 11:43 |
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| keescook | crimsun: you're too fast! I was just looking at that, and suddenly everything was uploaded. :) | 12:02 |
| pochu | crimsun: thanks! | 12:04 |
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