[12:15] yeah, 5200 files of possibly illegaly distributed code [12:15] <_MMA_> It gonna work. Probably just not in the time frame we wanted. [12:15] awesome :-) [12:15] that's my assesment === tsmithe spent all that time on getting that process documented as well. better not be wasted. took aaaagggges === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === math_b [n=mathieu@vbo91-2-82-239-207-88.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-79-61.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:47] mattb: good to see you getting stuck in [12:47] I'm having a competition to see whether this package gets through NEW or REVU faster :p [12:48] hm, good luck there [12:48] what's the package? [12:48] libtrace3 [12:48] right, I see it [12:48] http://research.wand.net.nz/software/libtrace.php [12:49] we'd usually want the first ubuntu version to be -0ubuntu1, but this is probably a special case since it's in NEW [12:49] ah, a WAND project? [12:49] Morning ajmitch. [12:49] hi TheMuso [12:49] Or for you I should be saying good afternoon. [12:49] anybody know where an .xsession-error would be in a RHEL system? [12:49] ajmitch: yep a wand project [12:50] mattb: one main problem [12:50] +libtrace3 (3.0.0-1ubuntu1) fiesty; urgency=low [12:50] it's feisty, not fiesty [12:50] I debated over the version, but as you say, given it's already in new 1ubuntu1 seemed to make most sens [12:50] ajmitch: oh, bugger [12:50] LaserJock: what do you suggest for DDs uploading to REVU? 1 ACK is ok? :) [12:50] wouldn't that make syncing a problem in the future [12:51] depends on the DD :p [12:51] next debian revision will be -2, which is > 1ubuntu1 [12:51] so syncs should be fine? [12:51] well, but syncing -1 wouldn't work [12:51] ajmitch: dd or MOTUs? [12:51] LaserJock: but he doesn't want to sync -1 [12:51] since it's stuck in debian NEW [12:52] mattb: will there be Ubuntu changes in the future? [12:52] TheMuso: DDs [12:52] highly unlikely [12:52] ok [12:52] ajmitch: but we'd want to get rid of the ubuntu1 if we could [12:52] so we'd sync -1 [12:52] the point of this upload is to get it into feisty asap [12:52] but we don't want to miss the freeze [12:52] either way it's not a big deal [12:52] rather than having to wait for it to get through NEW and then sync [12:52] debian NEW is crawling at the moment [12:53] well, I was just saying, if you have to change fiesty -> feisty [12:53] it may not get out for another couple of weeks [12:53] why not 1ubuntu1 -> 0ubuntu1 for completness [12:53] LaserJock: are you suggesting it be uploaded with -1build1? [12:53] no, althought that's not a exactly the worst idea ;-) [12:53] s/a// [12:54] any recovering RHELers want to help me find .xsession-errors? [12:54] Gnome and KDE won't start up [12:55] I'm guessing something must be going wrong at login [12:55] but I can't figure out where to look === LaserJock curses RedHat under his breath [12:56] LaserJock: I thought they were in the home directory. [12:56] TheMuso: I can't find it [12:56] hmmm [12:57] I guess you could always do a find / -name .xsession-errors :) [12:57] LaserJock: /tmp or /home full? :) [12:57] not even close [12:57] that's what the KDE login says [12:58] I tried moving .gnome* and .gconf* [12:58] but both Gnome and KDE have the problem [12:58] it just gives me a blue screen and a cursor [01:00] so, shall I upload again with feisty spelt correctly, and 0ubuntu1 ? [01:02] mattb: you may as well [01:02] & then it can sit & bitrot in ubuntu NEW [01:02] heh [01:03] though the oldest things in there are only 9 days [01:04] heh === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bigon [i=bigon@imladris.bigon.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jrib [n=jasonr@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mwolson [i=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chezz99 [n=root@125.96.99.20] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jrib [n=jasonr@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:08] [02:09] quiet night [02:09] starry night [02:09] <_ion> hungry night [02:11] I'm tired, right? [02:11] sistpoty, yea [02:11] hi imbrandon [02:11] heya [02:11] <_ion> No, you're suffering from caffeine deficiency. [02:11] hehe [02:12] imbrandon!!! [02:13] hi Hobbsee [02:13] imbrandon: i'm grabbing various fixes for amarok upstream at the moment, FYI === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:13] hey sistpoty :) [02:13] heya Hobbsee [02:14] Hobbsee, rockin [02:14] imbrandon: :) i am useful for something, i think [02:14] hehe [02:14] hey imbrandon, ya didnt get the mythtv and mythplugins uploaded by uvf...... i filed a uvfe for them [02:15] superm1, sorry slipped my mind [02:15] i'll try to help it get pussed [02:15] imbrandon, not a problem as long as motu-uvf gets them approved :) [02:15] pushed* [02:15] awesome thanks [02:21] hrm [02:23] I'm so close to having my mirror done :-) [02:24] LaserJock: who is the fairest fawn of all? [02:24] Feisty of course [02:25] !chocsnack [02:25] Sorry, I don't know anything about chocsnack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [02:25] until the cruel hunter kills Feisty's dad === cstudent [n=kirby@67.129.197.198] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:28] LaserJock, you makin a mirror at the edu too? [02:28] full rsync ? [02:33] imbrandon: I'm using reprepo to make a mirror of i386/source main/universe at home [02:35] ahh cool [02:35] it's a bit of an experiment [02:39] but as I'll have 3 feisty machines tonight, I thought it'd be nice === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:39] also having all of the source locally will make packaging a bit more fun [02:40] well, I used apt-proxy as a cache for several machines... worked quite nice until apt-proxy switched to twisted. however that was some years ago [02:40] sure === imbrandon just runs a full rsync mirror ;) [02:41] but I'm investigating repo stuff [02:42] mini-dinstall is ... kinda ugly, but it works for me :) [02:43] yeah, I did that too [02:43] falcon ftw as far as making a repo [02:43] well, I can't use falcon exactly [02:44] why? [02:47] LaserJock: once you find hte easiest and most useful, do tell me about it :) [02:47] or come to think of it, i wonder if imbrandon can do repos on buntudot, so i wouldnt have to figure it out... [02:47] :P [02:49] WTF??? [02:49] bdefreese@bdubuntu1:~/revu/acroread-asianfonts$ linda ../../pbuild-feisty/result/acroread-asianfonts_7.0.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb [02:49] Roses are red, violets are blue, [02:49] lintian is dead and Culus goes moo. [02:50] bddebian: haha [02:50] ll === chezz99 [n=root@125.96.99.20] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:50] +o [02:51] imbrandon: well, falcon isn't in the repos [02:51] imbrandon: and for what I'm doing I need to just use stuff that's in the repos [02:52] i supose i could talk Seveas into letting me upload it ;) its a little late now though [02:53] what are you doing anyhow? [02:54] oh, a little something [02:54] reprepo was really easy though [02:54] I'm not sure what the speed was [02:54] it took something like 4 days or so === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:58] ok, back to the blog post, it's only taken me like 7 hrs [02:59] heh [02:59] silly work, don't they know I have more important things to do, like blog about FLOSS [02:59] hrm anyone know how to make a dhcp server ( ubuntu ) serv a certain ip based on MAC [03:00] or where i can find the docs, google sucks [03:01] hrm , i think i found it [03:06] imbrandon: man dhcpd.conf... it's really straightforward [03:08] man, I can't wait to get home and upgrade my server desktop to Feisty [03:09] hmm, I wonder if update-manager would accept my mirror [03:10] I'm guessing not === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:10] heh, update-manager doesn't have a man page [03:10] tsk tsk [03:11] heh [03:11] lol [03:14] ah, computers === ajmitch hates them === bddebian too === _ion [i=johan@kiviniemi.name] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:17] ajmitch: they are aweful aren't they [03:17] yes === ajmitch should take up a life of gardening or something [03:18] the more I use them the more I hate them [03:18] one of great curses on geeks everywhere [03:18] and on non-geeks, too. [03:18] heh beowolf cluster of veggies [03:18] I need to look for a new job and I'm thinking construction or something [03:19] I wouldn't even be good at McDonalds [03:19] if I don't get a job as a Chemist I don't know what I'll do ;-) === imbrandon wants to wonder the world going to FLOSS confrences [03:19] I found some Linux jobs around here but I ain't gonna make what I do now :-( [03:20] bddebian: what do you do now? [03:21] My title is IT Manager but I'm really a "jack of all trades, master of bation" === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:21] Sometimes DBA, ERP implementation, help-desk, programmer... [03:22] network admin, foo, bar... [03:23] man, and you stoop down to our level & help with ubuntu? === ajmitch is just a code monkey [03:24] bddebian, sound like my job [03:24] bddebian is probably earning 3x what I do [03:24] probably 2X me [03:24] hehe [03:25] Not quite at 6 figures yet unless you count bonuses :-( [03:25] 'not quite'? [03:25] man [03:25] sesh [03:25] mine's only 6 figures if you count the zeros after the decimal point [03:25] so bddebian probably earns > 4x what I do [03:25] yea about 2X me [03:25] bddebian: I make 20k :/ [03:25] I'm also old, married and have 3 kids guys :-) === ajmitch earns about 26K (in USD) [03:26] i make arround 60K there abouts, plus bennies === ivoks [n=ivoks@19-98.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:26] bddebian: I'm married and my wife is currently unemployed. No kids though === sistpoty is just a poor student [03:26] me too [03:27] what a sob story [03:27] :-( [03:27] LaserJock: but you earn money... I don't ;) [03:27] "Destitute MOTUs go on strike for higher wages" :-) === ajmitch is working fulltime for that 26K [03:27] LaserJock: Well I wasn't smart enough to finish College until I was about 30 :) [03:27] *cough* [03:27] LaserJock: which means that bddebian probably got his phd in something :) [03:27] sistpoty: true, my school is nice that way [03:27] ajmitch: Hah, I don't even have a masters :-( [03:28] bddebian: so we know who to ask for donations when we are starving :) [03:28] hehehe [03:28] Sure :-) [03:28] hey, we were just talking about a MOTU fund yesterday... === ajmitch passes the hat around [03:28] i'm still paying off everything though, from the 12+ months i dident work [03:30] OK damnit, I have gotten that goofy linda "error" now twice and I've never seen it before [03:30] ajmitch: Well remember I've also sold my soul to M$ :-) === TheMuso is still looking for employment, just something entry leve at this point, due to not having a hell of a lot of IT quals, but was sick of studying. [03:31] bddebian: that's ok, I'll remember that when I'm starving & broke ;) [03:31] TheMuso: do people hire for accesability work at all? [03:31] TheMuso: Just go get an MSCE, they don't care :-) [03:31] Err MCSE even === ash211 [n=andrew@user-112128p.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:32] LaserJock: THere isn't the market for Linux accessibility atm. [03:32] bddebian: I said I was sick of studying, and don't really want to go back to the books for another year at least. [03:32] :-) [03:33] LaserJock: And the Windows accessibility market is rather ted up already, and since I haven't used those technologies for a while, I wouldn't be able to get a job doing that. [03:33] s/ted/tied/ [03:34] Including my standard school education, I was studying for 16 years. [03:34] that's not long [03:35] From when I first started school, to when I finished an IT related course last year. [03:35] TheMuso: There's always the military :-) [03:35] bddebian: um............. no.......... [03:35] And that also included a music degree. [03:35] Something wrong with the military? [03:35] But I don't want a music career either. [03:35] bddebian: If you didn't know already, I have a vision impairement. [03:36] Oh, no, I didn't know that [03:36] it doesn't really show over irc :) [03:36] Of course it doesn't. === ajmitch has a sanity impairment [03:37] People who haven't got a disability being involved with acecssibility related work is rather rare. [03:37] accessibility even === bddebian is intelligence impaired === sistpoty is the only normal guy of the world *g* [03:38] sistpoty: :-) [03:38] TheMuso: I'm still amazed sometimes at how much you are able to do and how fast [03:38] heno too [03:38] it's really cool [03:38] sistpoty: yes, I'm sure you're normal ;) [03:38] well, impairment isn't cool [03:38] LaserJock: Heno is truely amazing. [03:38] but people still being able to use computers is [03:38] Yeah. === bddebian isn't touching netbeans5.5 [03:40] LaserJock: Its always an uphill battle for people like myself, but we get by with what we have. [03:40] In terms of things in life not being thought through for accessibility reasons. [03:40] Like visual verification on websites for one. [03:41] hum [03:41] Sites do offer alternate means to do what you want, but its not always the best alternative. [03:41] TheMuso: how impaired is your vision? [03:41] ie, how do you manage with something like irc? [03:41] ajmitch: Well I am legally blind, am a Braille reader, can read large print slowly. [03:41] Can't exactly remember how much vision I actually have. [03:41] right [03:41] And I also use synthesized speech. === ajmitch had a friend who is completely blind, it was impressive watching her use a computer === TheMuso is using irssi on the console, with a very much screwed speakup atm. [03:42] ajmitch: WHo was that? [03:42] just a student at the hall of residence I was at [03:42] TheMuso: that's what I find amazing, I would never know from your irc converstions [03:43] it seems like it would take me forever to be able to "read" and write like that [03:43] yea i never knew untill it was popinted out [03:43] LaserJock: Since I have been vision impaired since birth, I have grown up learning alternative ways for reading and writing. [03:44] SO I started learning Braille when I started school, and also learnt to read print concurrently. [03:44] Then started learning to type in my third year of school. [03:44] That was 1990, and have been typing ever since. [03:44] I can also write braille if the need arrises. [03:45] how good is the the synthesized speech? what happens if there is a typo or non-standard word? [03:45] <_ion> I'm curious; if you change the irssi window, will the speak synth read the whole "new" contents aloud? [03:45] LaserJock: Depends on the typo, and it also depends on the speech synthesizer. === LaserJock imagines half of his text get's "missed" as a typo [03:45] At the moment, I have three different speech synthesizers in my posession. [03:46] All sound completely different. [03:46] Sorry, make the five, if you include the free software speech synthesizers. [03:46] that's quite a few [03:46] But I prefer to use hardware speech synthesizers. [03:46] Three of those are ISA cards. [03:47] I also have two serial synthesizers, which are both the same, and have the same speech as one of the ISA cards. [03:47] scary, ISA cards [03:47] heh [03:48] No actually, make that 6. I just remembered another proprietary synth for Linux that I have, but don't use much. [03:48] it's hard to find motherboards with those [03:48] i havent seen ISA in quite a while [03:48] ajmitch: Thats why I'm holding onto my dual celeron. === ajmitch doesn't miss ISA [03:48] I have a number of ISA cards around the lab [03:48] <_ion> Abit BP6? [03:48] _ion: Yep. [03:48] we "just" upgraded to PCI boards for data aquisition [03:48] wow [03:49] There is *ONE* PCI synth, but not supported in Linux yet. [03:49] might as well have went PCIe or something [03:49] imbrandon: I don't think they make PCIe boards yet for what we do [03:49] <_ion> It's a nice motherboard, but it has a *horrible* ATA66 controller. :-) [03:49] the latest and greatest is USB and Ethernet [03:49] _ion: Thats why I don't use it. [03:49] I threw in an IDE card. [03:49] USB r t43 suXX0r [03:50] <_ion> When i had one, i bought a PCI SATA controller. [03:50] And flashed a BIOS into it not containing the highpoint BIOS. [03:50] bddebian: I'm using GPIB right now, USB would be a definate step up ;-) [03:50] bah just use a c64 1541 floppy [03:50] lol [03:50] LaserJock: BTW, help me fix that on REVU ;-P [03:50] imbrandon: :) [03:51] bddebian: I've got to run home === TheMuso has been wanting to teach himself more c code, but hasn't got around to it. [03:51] Were you even alive when C64's were around imbrandon? [03:51] maybe tonight I'll have a look [03:51] I doubt I was [03:51] LaserJock: Well it's been up there for a few weeks :-) [03:51] lol yea bddebian [03:51] I almost missed the DOS age [03:51] <_ion> You mean C64s aren't around anymore? :-) [03:51] <_ion> There's a whole active demoscene around C64. ;-) [03:51] Probably on E-Bay [03:52] Ideally, I'd love to write kernel drivers for all ISA/PCI synths so they appear as standard serial like devices in /dev, and then interface them with Orca. [03:52] I've even read some docs about making the c64 display 256 colors... with some nasty and amazing asm tricks [03:52] wow === bddebian peeks and pokes [03:53] hmm, I usually don't use "love" "write" and "kernel" so close together [03:53] hehe [03:53] lol [03:53] haha [03:53] Well as much as software speech is good, hardware will always be better. [03:53] Less CPU load. [03:53] I'm just figuring out how to write a GUI in something other than python [03:54] that low level stuff is going to take me forever [03:54] oh... I've even had a speech synth on c64... I'm still amazed that this was actually possible [03:54] sure. "I love bug triaging sound issues in linux-source-2.6.12, linux-source-2.6.15, linux-source-2.6.17 and linux-source-2.6.20." [03:54] <_ion> It shouldn't be *very* straining on CPU. [03:54] _ion: It isn't but I have found that dedicated hardware synths are more responsive. === ivoks [n=ivoks@19-98.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:54] And it leaves CPU for more important things. [03:54] LaserJock: How about .NET.. Just drag and drop some controls :-) [03:55] bddebian: probably not [03:55] my brain is only going to take in so many programming languages [03:55] I'm having to play with it for work.. Sheesh... [03:55] I used to like ASP [03:56] right now Fortan, Python, and C++ are more than enough to keep me busy [03:56] LaserJock: know one, know them all, that's what I experienced until I learned functional programming [03:56] hmm, I don't know any then :( === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:57] I could probably use a programming course [03:57] I tend to do much better in an academic setting [03:57] Define "know". I can write "Hello World" in several languages but I wouldn't say I "know" them :-) [03:57] exactly [03:58] the compiler construction course helped me a lot. If you think how the compiler does it, you suddenly understand even issues that seem weird at first. [03:58] I've read through the books and tutorials [03:58] <_ion> Re: programming courses, some amazing lectures from the 1980s: http://johan.kiviniemi.name/blag/2007/02/13/structure-and-interpretation-of-computer-programs/ [03:58] but I still feel really really unprepared when I try to do anything real [03:58] Actually I know the C syntax very well but get into linking, macros, and all that shit, I get blown away :-( [03:58] The only way I learn programming related stuff, is applying it to something practicle. [03:59] I got an autotools book out of the library the other day [03:59] it's been pretty good [03:59] I now know bash fluently, because I've had to use it a lot. [03:59] applies well to packaging as well, which is nice [03:59] my bash is good enough to be dangerous :-) [03:59] hehe [03:59] I can do php with the reference manual handy. === bddebian can't learn from books :'-( [04:00] really away now [04:00] Later man [04:00] cya Laser_away [04:00] I struggle most with languages where one has to import/include header files/libraries, as I don't use them enough to remember what I need to include. [04:01] However, I am able to look at some c code, and if variables/functions are named well, can work out what it does. === sistpoty needs definitely to go to bed now [04:02] gn8 everyone [04:03] Gnight sistpoty [04:10] bbiab === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jmillikin [n=jmilliki@cpe-66-75-200-45.bak.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xzu [n=otto@brucester.a20.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:35] any core devs around? === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:38] nope [05:38] heh === ajmitch is off home now, bbl [05:42] ajmitch: darn you. :P === Ademan [n=dan@h-67-101-47-9.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-057-019.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Rohinton [n=chatzill@c-67-170-250-22.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:07] Hobbsee: now what did you want, and why? [06:07] ajmitch: an amarok upload sponsor. [06:07] main is frozen [06:07] ajmitch: but i'd forgotten that we were in freeze. [06:07] ajmitch: it can wait and sit in the queue, cant it? [06:08] I think the preference is to check first [06:10] is apt-get or aptitude better for a full dist-upgrade? [06:11] update-manager is throwing an error [06:11] I prefer apt-get, since it's only one line [06:11] apt-get imho === RAOF uses aptitude all the time [06:11] aptitude tries to be too smart [06:12] You just need to read what it says it'll do. [06:12] heh [06:12] and half the time i dont want it to do what it says ;) [06:12] I haven't had a ton of success with it [06:12] you really have to stay on top of it or it gets way too messy [06:12] yea === ajmitch likes aptitude most of the time [06:13] anyhow off to work for a few hours , see yall when i get there [06:13] bye imbrandon :) [06:14] hmm, my karma is going to be 0 in a few weeks [06:14] heh [06:14] mine is already close to 0 [06:14] mine has been cut in half since their change === ajmitch has ~11K [06:15] I've barely go 2k [06:15] mine went from 16K to 4K [06:15] bbiab [06:15] surprising, I only had 7K last week [06:16] I didn't think I'd get that much in a week === ajmitch obviously needs to work harder to catch up with motu superstars === LaserJock needs to join some super bug processing team ;-) [06:18] LaserJock: Nah, just write some specs ;-P === Fujitsu had 12k immediately after the Great Reduction(tm), and it has significantly dropped now :( [06:19] bddebian: Or use the support tracker! [06:19] Fujitsu: it's 13K now, what are you complaining about? [06:19] LaserJock: make a new translation, and do lots of it. [06:19] ajmitch: Is it!? [06:19] How odd. [06:19] It was 9.5k when I last checked. [06:19] yes, and mine was about 7.2K last week [06:19] specs are good [06:19] Do you get karma when you upload? [06:20] It'd be nice if it didn't fluctuate like that. === ajmitch is shocked [06:20] 18K now. pathetic. === Fujitsu sends Launchpad back to school. [06:20] 1022+1165 != 13139 [06:20] launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/+polls [06:20] people actually voted no for dholbach [06:20] TheMuso: no [06:21] 1 person voted no for me :) [06:21] oh yes, i need to vote on that [06:21] Hobbsee: too late [06:21] Support Tracker 773 [06:21] you're kidding, right? i filed one support request, maybe two... [06:21] SO what was the result? [06:21] Hobbsee: MC voting closed, you had 2 weeks [06:21] TheMuso: look at the url [06:21] heh [06:21] 3 disapproved, it seems [06:22] of dholbach [06:22] count the approved/disapproved for each candidate [06:22] I'm worried about that [06:22] why would 3 people disapprove of dholbach? [06:22] Rightr [06:22] Yeah. [06:22] Why would they? [06:22] because he's doing the CC [06:23] cc nomination was only public yesterday [06:23] I doubt it would have changed peoples minds [06:23] where do we vote for CC nominations, btw? [06:23] true [06:23] enough troubles with the forums stuff, though [06:24] Shit, I forgot to vote too :'-( [06:24] Hobbsee: you don't vote yet [06:24] polls are not open [06:24] darn :( [06:24] I'm amazed we had that many votes then [06:24] ajmitch: Shame for anybody disapproving you === Hobbsee is *definetly* going to vote on that one [06:24] if Hobbsee and bddebian missed it [06:25] TheMuso: it was expected [06:25] well thats settled. [06:26] oh well [06:26] I guess I have to do stuff now [06:26] well, we at least have to have the *appearence* that there was a reason to vote [06:26] ;-) [06:27] what's funny is that I had the most votes === LaserJock voted against all the candidates [06:27] LaserJock: Bull**** [06:27] Long Live the MOTU Trinity! [06:28] 31 votes in total for me, yet dholbach had 30, crimsun 29, sistpoty 27, gpocentek 21 [06:28] TheMuso: fine, you caught me [06:28] you'd think that people would try & vote for everyone [06:28] Yeah. [06:28] screwy people [06:28] ajmitch: I think you can cast a "I don't care" vote [06:28] even so.. [06:28] strange [06:29] Well I said yes to all. [06:29] I have had packages reviewed by all of those people at some point. [06:29] hehe [06:29] so that was your criteria for voting? [06:29] Not at all. [06:29] But I have worked with you all, which gives me an insite as to what you are like with MOTU work. [06:30] SO it was based on having worked with the candidates previously. [06:34] Ok, what do we do if our membership is about to expire? [06:34] I know we have to contact Denis, but where from there? [06:36] It was discussed at the last CC meeting. [06:36] Right. [06:37] (note that your membership won't actually vanish until your ubuntu-dev membership does, as ubuntu-dev is a member of ubuntumembers) [06:37] Right so I don't need to worry about it, or should I contact Dennis anyway? === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.145.254] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:38] talk to him [06:38] Yeah ok [06:41] ok thanks === philwyett [n=philwyet@bb-87-81-146-45.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:01] Gnight gang === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-033-162.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F73F10.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:24] welcome Prince Daniel! [07:24] good morning [07:24] good morning Seor LaserJock :) [07:25] Hey dholbach. [07:25] hey dholbach [07:25] heya Fujitsu, hey ho [07:25] Hobbsee :-) [07:25] lalala :) [07:26] hay there [07:28] heya Lutin [07:29] dholbach: hehe, i dont get a title? [07:29] heya dholbach === dholbach hugs Hobbsee === joejaxx [i=joejaxx@ubuntu/member/joejaxx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee hugs dholbach back [07:31] Hobbsee: She-Ra, Princess of Power [07:31] so says google === ash211 [n=andrew@user-112128p.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:32] LaserJock: heh, oookay then! [07:33] I think it goes well with the DOOM stick === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LongPointyStick [n=user@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === matt_good [n=matt@ip24-255-125-63.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:37] haha [07:38] I see some packages install their man3 pages in /usr/share/doc//man/man3. what's the difference with the packages installing them in /usr/share/man/man3 ? [07:39] hello all [07:39] :) [07:39] hi joejaxx [07:39] hello LaserJock [07:40] I think there's a problem with the REVU password recovery [07:40] see http://revu.tauware.de/lostpw.py?email=abcd [07:41] I get the same message with my email address [07:42] some instructions for using GPG, and "Now paste the text below,", but there's no more text === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:44] Query: Why is Livejournal (blogging software) not in the repos? It seems to be GPL2+, btw. [07:44] Because no-one's packaged it? [07:44] Is it in Debian? [07:44] RAOF: Not sure - I'll check === Kagou [n=Kagou@88.140.39.159] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:45] RAOF: No. [07:46] tonyyarusso: So, the reason is because no-one's packaged it :) [07:46] (that's your cue) [07:46] RAOF: Cool, simple enough. I've been meaning to teach myself how to package anyway - maybe I'll give it a whirl. [07:46] The Ubuntu packaging guide is cool. === ash211 [n=andrew@user-112128p.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:46] it' [07:47] Also, CDBS is awesome if the program doesn't do anything crazy. [07:47] it's getting there [07:47] CDBS? [07:47] Common Debian Build System. [07:47] it's a build helper [07:47] Basically, a whole series of makefile scripts that you include into debian/rules [07:47] debhelper is the other common one [07:47] Is it better to read the debian new maintainers guide first (what I tried before) or the Ubuntu guide first? [07:47] Which takes care of everything for you. [07:48] I read the Ubuntu guide first. [07:48] *cough*Ubuntu Packaging Guide *cough* [07:48] Debian's good for actual policy things. [07:48] So that's two votes for Ubuntu. [07:48] tonyyarusso: I wrote the packaging guide as basically a replacement for the new maintainers guid === ash211 [n=andrew@user-112128p.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:49] LaserJock: Hopefully it's less confusing? [07:49] I personally think the packaging guide and the Debian Policy are good places to go [07:49] I hope so [07:49] let me know if you hit snags [07:49] I *certainly* recommend the packaging guide. [07:50] I think it's really tough to make a packaging doc that is both easy to read/learn and comprehensive [07:50] Yeah, there's a lot to learn. [07:51] Yup [07:51] Just ask if you run into snags, though. I'll be happy to help. === ash211 [n=andrew@user-112128p.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:52] sure thing - thanks [07:53] you can file bugs at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs/+filebug for the packaging guide too [07:53] btw, how is it done that things are built for multiple architectures? Is that just a compile option, or do you need different machines? [07:54] tonyyarusso: when a packag is uploaded it is sent to the Ubuntu build machines [07:54] we only upload source packages [07:54] (Also, I assume at this stage in the game I should shoot for Feisty+1 inclusion, if anything?) [07:54] aaaah [07:54] unless you are very quick [07:54] deadline is 22nd [07:54] Hmm, ok. === tonyyarusso starts reading [07:55] I need to push gandalfn to get gnome-compiz-manager reviewed and fixed. Sooon! [07:56] um, where IS the packaging guide these days? === tonyyarusso hasn't learned the reorganized help yet [07:56] tonyyarusso: use doc.ubuntu.com [07:56] on the bottom right [07:56] LaserJock: Can I install it, pretty please? [07:56] not presently, actually [07:57] I'm splitting it off into a seperate binary package [07:57] hoh boy [07:57] so far in feisty it's not installed [07:57] LaserJock: Quickly, preferably. ;) [07:57] because of the help reorganization [07:58] LaserJock: Reason being, every time I want to go to the next page, I'll need to grab a snack while it loads. [07:58] lol [07:58] dialup is FUUUNNN [07:58] you *could* get the pdf of the edgy version [07:58] from help.ubuntu.com [07:58] pdf isn't too great either [07:59] hmm, maybe I should build my own .debs of it [07:59] I've got to have some excuse to have my own repo ;-) [08:00] LaserJock: I suggest building debs for random SVN snapshots. That's why my repository exists :) [08:01] RAOF: how is the packaging subforum of the subforum going? :-) [08:01] It's been ages since I've been there, frankly. [08:02] me too [08:02] LaserJock: Do you want to review gnome-compiz-manager, while I ask the packager if he'd be ok with me handling the packages :)? [08:03] sorry, I actually have to get to bed right now [08:03] good night all [08:03] Curse you and your sleeep! [08:03] Night. [08:03] sorry RAOF, even the best of us have to sleep [08:03] except crimsun of course [08:03] Night, Laser_away. [08:05] dude, is irssi ignoring nickchanges? === tonyyarusso pokes around === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-200-45.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:06] oh, yep === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:18] Please tell me you're kidding... [08:18] "Creating a pbuilder environment will take some time as debootstrap essentially downloads a minimal Ubuntu installation." [08:18] It would probably take me until the 22nd to do that... [08:18] :( [08:18] Well, that's what it does. [08:18] oh boy [08:18] This is going to get interesting. === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:19] Public library, here I come. [08:26] tonyyarusso, have you tried cowbuilder? It's quicker but a li'l bit trickier than pbuilder. === ash211 [n=andrew@user-112128p.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:27] janm: Haven't tried anything yet. [08:27] Basically, anything is going to be slow here. [08:27] We have dialup :P === Rohinton [n=chatzill@inet-netcache2-o.oracle.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:29] tonyyarusso, :) [08:33] Well, that's all for tonight. === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@64-121-52-87.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:57] cowbuilder looks neat. I'm just not sure how to update a cowbuilder build place. === ajmitch returns for some more chaos === ryanakca_ [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryanakca_ [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === d33p__ [n=d33p@87.217.145.254] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:18] StevenK, I use this to update mine (adjust it accordingly) -> "sudo cowbuilder --update --basepath=/pbuilder/base.cow --buildplace=/pbuilder/build" === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryanakca_ [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LuisBG [n=d33p@87.217.145.254] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-83-7.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@19-98.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=chris@202.63.35.99] has joined #ubuntu-motu === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-motu === d33p__ [n=d33p@87.217.145.254] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:04] hum === imbrandon returns [10:06] The peasants run in confusion. [10:09] lol [10:11] if someone was planning to write an article for debaday.debian.net, please do so now, as we don't have any article ready in the queue [10:12] heya lucas [10:12] hum i dont have time to tonight, i have been meaning to try to get one up [10:12] maybe the next day or so === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@unafilliated/kgoetz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:16] this may not be the correct place to ask - but how does ubuntu get the 'translate this app' and 'get help online' into every app. are they manually patched in, or is there an automated way? === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@64-121-52-87.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:17] its patched into the kde libs ( and i assume gnomelibs too ) [10:17] hmm. doesn't look like there's ever been an article done on multitail... [10:18] Kamping_Kaiser, look at launchpad-intergration iirc ( the package ) [10:18] imbrandon, thanks, i'll check it out. [10:18] heya jwhitlark [10:18] heya, what's up. how was the motu meeting? [10:19] i missed it, durring my sleep time, i have to catch the minutes today [10:19] ah. what's new since UDS? anything interesting? [10:20] a few things, not alot [10:20] motu wise or with me? [10:20] life treating you ok? [10:20] hehe [10:20] you. [10:20] with me, new job, new car, divorced wife, ummmm and ummm yea [10:20] :) [10:21] took a packaging break for a few weeks , but i've been catching back up the last month or so [10:21] heh, when you were talking about work, I was thinking, 'I thought he was self employed...' [10:21] working on ways to get to the various confrences, even got a talk scheduled at one heh [10:21] divorce is final now then, huh. [10:21] yup yup, 1000% done [10:22] cool, which one and what talk? [10:22] good for you. [10:22] ubuntu live, and about the use of Ubuntu in a Corp env [10:22] oooohhhhh. shiny.... [10:22] other than that alot of the same old same old [10:23] heh, considering how bad I screwed up V. Day, I might be joining you.... [10:23] hahah hows that? [10:23] brb one sec, phone [10:29] re [10:30] well, what I said was 'I'll cook dinner', what she heard was 'I'm going to server you a four course meal with champagne, candlelight, flowers, gifts, a fire in the fireplace, and everything will be perfect and you won't have to do a thing.' [10:30] hahahah that sounds so right [10:30] been there [10:30] hah [10:31] heya ajmitch [10:31] for me, it was just sitting at home in front of irc ;) [10:31] so now I'm going to take friday off and surprise her with what she thought she was getting, otherwise I'll here about it for weeks... [10:31] for me it was sleeping off a hangover [10:31] hi [10:31] hehe [10:31] lol [10:31] right on, good .plan [10:31] For me, it was a candlelit dinner. === ajmitch is still rather single, so doesn't have to worry about those death threats [10:32] StevenK, alone? just teasin [10:32] she's asleep now, but I'm kinda annoyed about it, so I was playing python challenge for a while... [10:32] ajmitch, there's something too that... === StevenK kicks imbrandon [10:32] zomg http://digg.com/tech_news/U_S_senator_It_s_time_to_ban_Wikipedia_in_schools_libraries [10:33] how clueless is the goverment [10:33] saw it. that jerk with the pipes again. [10:33] s/the/our === robb_ [n=robb@pool-71-163-244-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:34] yea the pipes / truck intarweb dweeb [10:34] heh [10:35] everyone knows the internet is done by wet pieces of string [10:35] this is pretty tight, look how many people have conquered the middle east: http://mapsofwar.com/ind/imperial-history.html [10:35] at least to NZ === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:35] ajmitch, I though it was dixie cups and dry string?! Are you giving away trade secrets!!! [10:37] no, wet string for us [10:37] there's too much ocean to keep it dry === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:37] though they are upgrading the piece of string to 1.2Tbps, I heard [10:38] heh === davromaniak [n=cyril@AFontenayssB-152-1-29-90.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LuisBG [n=d33p@87.217.145.254] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:39] imbrandon, any more thoughts about pycon? [10:40] so good to see NEW still stalled [10:43] Hey all once again. [10:45] heya TheMuso [10:46] hi TheMuso [10:46] jwhitlark, yea i'm gonna take a day trip mostlikely unless something crazy pops up [10:46] i have the time/money to doso [10:46] cool, catch ya there. [10:46] ok bbiab , i have to get some real work done ( back in 1 hour or so ) [10:47] imbrandon: cool, want to sponsor a trip for me? [10:47] new nagios server here i come [10:47] let me know when you're going, we'll set ya up in a room share. [10:47] ajmitch, i totaly wish i could, maybe when it gets closer to time i can for ubuntu live [10:47] hehe [10:47] ;) [10:47] you use dapper or edgy for nagios? [10:47] it's ok, it'd cost a fortune :) [10:47] edgy , its the only one with the perc 5/i raid controller drivers [10:48] ah, that's what I'm running mine on too. === herzi [n=herzi@p548FBEDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:48] so we use edgy on almost all our servers because most dell's ( mostly 2950's ) have the perc 5/i [10:48] now if only I could get that NT4 domain to samba migration working... [10:49] i have them all on win2k3 AD auth [10:49] ;) [10:49] @^$%^$%^# thing has been giving me fits! [10:49] jwhitlark, samba4's vampire looks pretty cool [10:49] should be trivial [10:49] should be simple [10:49] i dident have much problems [10:49] Kamping_Kaiser: Now with longer fangs! [10:49] Kamping_Kaiser: sure, but samba4 is a long way off [10:49] except I can't get it to join the bloody domain! [10:49] ajmitch, unfortunately so [10:49] at all! [10:50] StevenK, woot ;) [10:50] jwhitlark, lemme get this nagios thing done for work then i'll shoot you the doc we use inhouse for setting it up [10:50] should be simple [10:50] cool, thanks. [10:50] takes me less than 10 minutes to get a new box on the domain [10:51] as PDC? [10:51] no as a member, our pdc and bdc are true 2k3 servers [10:51] ah. [10:51] but pdc should be easier than a member [10:51] want to email it to me? jwhitlark@zentek.com [10:52] yea give me a few, might be at the end of my shit but i'll get it out to ya === ajmitch should go & sleep & play with python stuff & AD tomorrow [10:52] shift* [10:52] hehe [10:52] nice typo [10:52] haha yea [10:52] no prob. I'm going to bed anyway. [10:52] anyway, night all [10:52] gnight ajmitch [10:52] nite === RAOF is now known as RAOF|Away === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@64-121-52-87.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ThunderFox [n=KitsuKun@oh-71-55-62-166.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AstralJava [n=jaska@cm-087-94-053-172.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === d33p__ [n=d33p@87.217.145.254] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-73-246.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dev_22 [n=TuttoIRC@213-140-6-110.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-69-200.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LuisBG [n=d33p@87.217.145.254] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:34] Good evening Princess of power. :p [12:34] The title bestoed upon Hobbsee by Laserjock I think. [12:35] hehe :) === Fujitsu shakes fist. === tsmithe shakes cloak [12:37] Aha! I graffitied that one, remember? [12:37] hahahahahahaha [12:37] Fujitsu: Unidentify, it'd drop the cloak. :-P [12:37] hahahaha === TheMuso injects enjoyable music directly into the brain. === coNP notices now tsmithe 's shiny new cloak [12:41] :) [12:44] dholbach: about bug #85135: is it important that I become bug contact because I don't speak haskell? I wouldn't be much help [12:44] Malone bug 85135 in gtk2hs "[UVF exception] Sync gtk2hs (0.9.10.5-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85135 === TLE_02 [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:45] dholbach: gtk2hs was first uploaded in feisty and ftbfs because we have ghc 6.6 already so we don't have any binaries yet === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-69-200.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:46] geser: gtk2hs doesn't have that many bugs... I think it's important to have somebody who can liaise with upstream once we get a new version in that is broken [12:46] daniel@lovegood:~/bzr/bughelper.dev$ ./bugnumbers --stats gtk2hs [12:46] Total Bugs: 1 [12:46] Status: {'Needs Info': 1} [12:46] Importance: {'Undecided': 1} [12:46] daniel@lovegood:~/bzr/bughelper.dev$ [12:46] I can't force you to do it... I just think it'd be a good idea :) === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:48] it doesn't have any bugs because it never got build successfully [12:48] right [12:48] I appreciate you working on it [12:49] is it a gtk-binding for haskell? [12:49] gtk2hs is blocking the removal of the old mozilla suite as the gtk2hs build-depends on mozilla-dev [12:50] It's ok if you decide to not be bug contact for a while. [12:51] coNP: yes [12:51] geser: that sounds very nice :) === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-69-200.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando_ [n=fernando@189.0.158.36] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:02] moin all [01:17] One more logn email to reply to, and then thats it for me tonight. === caravena [n=caravena@215-29-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:27] heh === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-69-200.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tmarble [n=tmarble@user-38q4et6.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron_ [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.119.227] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-69-200.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kagou [n=Kagou@88.140.39.159] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-2-226.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Marce_ [i=marce@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Marce [i=marce@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === afflux [i=discoflu@gateway/tor/x-31a55fc4ab3d3cf2] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-2-226.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chrisj [n=tortoise@dhcp-152-78-61-106.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bigon [i=bigon@imladris.bigon.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-17-40.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-17-40.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chrisj [n=tortoise@dhcp-152-78-61-106.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gazer [n=gazer@200.68.69.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Marce [i=marce@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@dsl-217-155-249-190.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Marce [i=marce@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:14] hello Universe [04:14] hi gpocentek [04:15] hi phanatic :) === _Enchained [n=cyrille@88.166.169.102] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Marce [i=marce@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asantoni [n=alb@bas7-london14-1177945474.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=mr_pouit@LAubervilliers-151-12-73-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:34] Heya gang [04:35] hey bddebian [04:36] Heya phanatic === pochu [n=pochu@38.Red-88-7-170.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lbm [n=lbm@0x555373ab.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tmarble [n=tmarble@192.18.101.5] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@moodiegate.xandros.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:51] hello everybody! I've a problem with the dependencies: listen needs python-mutagen, but if I add it to the build-deps, when it's built, it doesn't have python-mutagen in the normal build-deps, do I need to put it in both build-deps and deps? === Zic_ [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twanj [n=chatzill@c-66-176-118-121.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-17-40.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:01] pochu: Does it need python-mutagen to build or just to run? [05:01] ScottK: both [05:01] Then I'm pretty sure you have to list it both places. === ScottK is relatively knew at this, so don't take it as gospel. [05:02] ScottK: ok, thanks. I thought it would be put automatically in build with ${misc:Depends} === pochu is a noob :) [05:03] I'm pretty sure not. Otherwise you'd never have build-deps that weren't runtime deps when you used it. [05:03] ScottK: ok, thanks a lot! === eXistenZ [n=amerdakk@unaffiliated/eXistenZ] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stratus [n=stratus@cronopio.rits.org.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chrisj [n=tortoise@dhcp-152-78-61-106.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:22] is universe frozen? === ivoks [n=ivoks@19-98.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:23] For Upstream Version bumps, yes. Not for NEW [05:25] bddebian: and for bug fixes? [05:25] I mean: -0ubuntu1 ---> -0ubuntu2 :) [05:26] NOpe that's fine [05:26] ok, thanks :) [05:32] bddebian: are you or someone else here able to re-sync the REVU keyring? === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ursinha [n=ursula@143.106.7.170] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:45] matt_good: Not me, sorry === caravena [n=caravena@215-29-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bronson [n=bronson@adsl-75-36-145-145.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pochu_ [n=pochu@38.Red-88-7-170.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === esaym [n=user@cpe-72-183-201-32.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-17-40.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:04] anyone ever experienced a problem with network-manager [06:04] it's just lost all my network interfaces [06:04] reboot does nothing [06:04] did you read /usr/share/doc/n-m/README.Debian? [06:04] not yet [06:04] it was woring fine === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:07] hay there [06:08] yeh read that [06:08] no help ;) [06:09] any doxygen master around ? :) === pochu_ [n=pochu@38.Red-88-7-170.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ptitdav69 [n=ptitdav6@254.39.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-17-40.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@87.19.131.238] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ursinha [n=ursula@143.106.7.170] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:35] stink [06:35] I dist upgraded my desktop last night and I lost USB [06:37] nice, that's about as vague as one can be. === matt_good [n=matt@ip24-255-125-63.dc.dc.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] [06:39] crimsun, nah ... "upgraded, now doesnt work" is vague ... :) [06:39] you have at least a pointer what doesnt work ... thanks to developer experience on the reporters side *g* [06:39] hehe [06:40] well, all I know is devices are dead [06:40] check dmesg and the other usual suspects ... if nothing helps blame Keybuk :) [06:41] I'm checking dmesg [06:41] gotta figure out what it's IP address is first (n-m blew away my network setup) [06:43] wha??? [06:43] how did I end up with Xen kernels [06:50] grrrr [06:50] ok, I got USB back by not using the Xen kernel [06:50] although I have no idea why I have a Xen kernel [06:51] but still no networking as it seems that n-m still doesn't play well with static IPs [06:51] known issue, thanks for playing! [06:51] I thought they fixed that [06:51] guess not [06:52] so now I've got to remove n-m and ubuntu-desktop :/ [06:52] is there a way I can just turn it off without removing it? [06:52] Laser_away: why are you using the xen kernel? [06:53] and edgy or feisty? :) === mr_pouit [n=mr_pouit@LAubervilliers-151-12-73-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:56] zul: feisty, and I'm not using it [06:56] ok.. [06:56] I have no idea why it's there [06:56] weird... [06:57] I dist-upgraded and it was the default in my grub [06:57] what package provides it? [06:57] xen-image-2.6.19 [06:58] why the heck do they have a "Static Configuration" button if it doesn't even work?? === caravena [n=caravena@215-29-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-080-128.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hagi^^ [n=hagi@adsl-62-167-114-82.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@215-29-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === brottman [n=brianr@216.120.143.226] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bleinmono [n=toffel@ppp85-141-149-37.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-59-77.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hoora_214 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-536f93c007f942d6] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@h-67-102-70-2.snfccasy.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:15] good morning all [08:15] morning andrew === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has left #ubuntu-motu ["trombone"] [08:16] hello ajmitch, hello LaserJock [08:16] hi gpocentek, congrats on MOTU Councilship [08:16] congrats to ajmitch as well [08:18] ugh [08:18] more slavery === _Enchained [n=cyrille@88.166.169.102] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:19] they results from the voting is out? [08:19] of course [08:19] they were out yesterday [08:19] just ajmitch and gpocentek made it? [08:21] no [08:21] everyone made it [08:21] ah cool === mduran [n=mduran@201.236.124.65] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:34] do we have a procedure for remastering a live cd yet? === chrisj [n=tortoise@82.152.250.88] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kyral_ [n=kyral@Hikari.graham.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ademan [n=dan@h-67-101-47-9.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:55] LaserJock: thanks :) [08:57] cbx33: Reconstructor and UCK, what do you mean by "we". The MOTU don't care about live cd remastering ;-) [08:57] oooooh [08:59] we just grovel in the dirt looking after the scraps that others don't want ;) [09:00] lol [09:00] we just have the real deal [09:02] gpocentek: so, thoughts on how you'll begin your reign of terror? [09:03] i welcome our new overlords [09:04] ajmitch: not really, maybe just write a "you have to do this" script :) [09:10] ajmitch: You are master of the Ubuntu Zopeness... I've added a zope3 Ubuntu task to a bug previously in SchoolTool (bug #80195). It's fixed in Feisty, but not in Edgy. Care to accept the Edgy task? [09:10] heh [09:10] Malone bug 80195 in zope3 "Edgy Bug" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80195 === ajmitch looks [09:10] depends on what it is [09:11] A two line fix. [09:11] For working with Python 2.4.4. [09:11] ooh, SRU [09:11] it looks worthwhile, you want to prepare the SRU magic debdiff? [09:11] Sure. [09:11] ok, approved bug [09:11] once LP responds [09:12] I'll do it some time in the next few hours, I've got to prepare for school. [09:12] sure [09:12] So it's not just me thinking LP is horribly slow? === ajmitch is running off to work now [09:12] oh no, LP is a dog most of the time :) [09:12] a malnourished dog with a broken leg === rexbron_ [n=rexbron@keele-b240-197.airyork.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:13] which has been whipped === Fujitsu looks up the main SRU process [09:20] Fujitsu: oh it is in main, isn't it? [09:20] how annoying [09:20] It is, I discovered to my horror. [09:21] schooltool? [09:21] it'll need to be demoted for feisty if it stays broken [09:21] zope3 [09:21] which schooltool needs [09:21] LaserJock, SchoolTool is, and it breaks SchoolTool, but zope3 is the package in question. [09:22] ajmitch: I am able to get a SVN checkout working on Feisty fine. [09:22] oh good [09:22] I was afraid the API would have changed too much [09:22] SVN checkout of zope3, that is. [09:22] oh [09:22] Not twisted web2. [09:22] I haven't tried that yet. === ajmitch thought you meant a svn co of twisted-web2, with zope 3.3.0 [09:23] I realise that. [09:23] the only way forward might be to cut out patches & graft them onto 3.3.0 [09:23] talk with doko about it [09:23] Will do. I want Zope working :) === ajmitch also [09:24] I mainly use 2.9 though [09:24] plone don't work with 2.10 yet :) [09:24] ajmitch: 3.0alpha2 should ... [09:25] sure, but I won't want to run an alpha on a production site just yet === ajmitch has been following 3.0 from a distance === muzzol [n=muzzol@62-43-71-59.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === fredix [n=fredix@86.67.45.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hagi [n=hagi@adsl-62-167-114-82.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:36] hmm, so why don't we have a "Welcome MC" email to -motu ? [09:37] LaserJock: because there's no need === tsmithe` [n=tsmithe@82-70-109-22.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:42] ajmitch: why not? we've waited for a long time [09:44] email the list if you think it's important :) [09:45] I was looking for something more official, but maybe [09:45] dholbach may mail the list once it's all sorted out [09:45] maybe I'll just blog it ;-) [09:46] I still haven't finished my blog from yesterday [09:46] haha === ajmitch will put a blog up soon, honest === brottman [n=brianr@vpn.beenegarter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:47] ajmitch: dholbach maybe on holiday as well === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:48] hm, he said he'd be off for the weekend [09:48] I didn't think he'd leave already === philwyett [n=philwyet@bb-87-81-146-45.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bleinmono [n=toffel@ppp85-141-149-37.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #ubuntu-motu === brottman [n=brianr@vpn.beenegarter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-53-12.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hagi [n=hagi@adsl-62-167-114-82.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-130-205.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:43] Hey MOTUs. [10:44] Hello TheMuso === pochu isn't a motu, but waves anyway [10:44] I almost forgot. Hey MOTU hopefuls. === tmarble [n=tmarble@user-38q4et6.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:47] hey TheMuso :) [10:47] TheMuso: can you upload to universe, now that it's frozen (I think) [10:47] pochu: It depends on what there is to upload. [10:48] TheMuso: bug 84264 (they are 2 bugs) [10:48] Malone bug 84264 in ltris "some games do not install gnome menu items: lmarbles, ltris, pingus" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84264 === Marsmensch [n=daniel@149-203-116-85.dsl.manitu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:00] pbuilder build *.dsc should spit out some .debs right? [11:00] err "a .deb" === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:00] yep [11:02] pbuilder seems to be running fine, however I get no package back when I run it [11:03] jharr: it sticks it in the results dir [11:03] by default, /var/cache/pbuilder/result, I think [11:04] ahh === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:04] TheMuso: can you upload that? [11:04] Maybe i was using a different tool when I got the .deb in $PWD. === jharr is glad he's not going crazy [11:05] maybe straight debuild === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu_ [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:09] pochu: Sorry mate, I'm currently busy with more important things for me atm. [11:09] TheMuso: np :) just if you have time to review it, I would appreciate it, but do the more important things first ;) [11:10] pochu: I don't know if anyone told you yet, but you should rather subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors rather than -contributors. [11:11] pochu: I already did it for you for this bug. :-) [11:11] pochu: And sorry, I don't have the time to upload it for you either. === tsmithe [n=tsmithe@ubuntu/member/tsmithe] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:15] pochu: -contributors is everyone who can upload to REVU. I'm guessing most of them won't care much about this bug. :-) [11:16] shawarma: oh, thanks a lot! [11:16] I'll remember that :) [11:16] when will herd4 be released? [11:16] Marsmensch: tonight, I think [11:16] or tomorrow morning [11:16] so i have to wait another day ... [11:16] :-( [11:17] Marsmensch: what do you want it for? [11:17] pochu: no problem. [11:18] LaserJock: i wanted to reinstall my laptop and thought i could test feisty [11:19] Marsmensch: well, you *could* get the latest daily if you wanted [11:20] hmmm, yeah, but i think i will wait another day ... i also need some time to backup the old files === ivoks [n=ivoks@21-23.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-53-12.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === _MMA_ [n=atm@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _MMA_ [n=atm@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:31] pochu: I'll look at your debdiffs tomorrow (UTC afternoon) if no one does it until then === Fujitsu_ [n=Fujitsu@dsl-124-150-2-69.vic.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:32] Adri2000: thanks :) === _MMA_ [n=atm@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=chris@202.63.35.99] has joined #ubuntu-motu === eXistenZ [n=amerdakk@unaffiliated/eXistenZ] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:42] pochu: uploaded. [11:43] pochu: ^ ;) === mwolson [i=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.141.230] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:02] crimsun: you're too fast! I was just looking at that, and suddenly everything was uploaded. :) [12:04] crimsun: thanks! === rexbron [n=rexbron@complex1-372-008.resnet.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu