[12:15] <LaserJock> yeah, 5200 files of possibly illegaly distributed code
[12:15] <_MMA_> It gonna work. Probably just not in the time frame we wanted.
[12:15] <LaserJock> awesome :-)
[12:15] <LaserJock> that's my assesment
[12:47] <ajmitch> mattb: good to see you getting stuck in
[12:47] <mattb> I'm having a competition to see whether this package gets through NEW or REVU faster :p
[12:48] <ajmitch> hm, good luck there
[12:48] <ajmitch> what's the package?
[12:48] <mattb> libtrace3
[12:48] <ajmitch> right, I see it
[12:48] <mattb> http://research.wand.net.nz/software/libtrace.php
[12:49] <ajmitch> we'd usually want the first ubuntu version to be -0ubuntu1, but this is probably a special case since it's in NEW
[12:49] <ajmitch> ah, a WAND project?
[12:49] <TheMuso> Morning ajmitch.
[12:49] <ajmitch> hi TheMuso 
[12:49] <TheMuso> Or for you I should be saying good afternoon.
[12:49] <LaserJock> anybody know where an .xsession-error would be in a RHEL system?
[12:49] <mattb> ajmitch: yep a wand project
[12:50] <ajmitch> mattb: one main problem
[12:50] <ajmitch> +libtrace3 (3.0.0-1ubuntu1) fiesty; urgency=low
[12:50] <ajmitch> it's feisty, not fiesty
[12:50] <mattb> I debated over the version, but as you say, given it's already in new 1ubuntu1 seemed to make most sens
[12:50] <mattb> ajmitch: oh, bugger
[12:50] <ajmitch> LaserJock: what do you suggest for DDs uploading to REVU? 1 ACK is ok? :)
[12:50] <LaserJock> wouldn't that make syncing a problem in the future
[12:51] <LaserJock> depends on the DD :p
[12:51] <mattb> next debian revision will be -2, which is > 1ubuntu1 
[12:51] <mattb> so syncs should be fine?
[12:51] <LaserJock> well, but syncing -1 wouldn't work
[12:51] <TheMuso> ajmitch: dd or MOTUs?
[12:51] <ajmitch> LaserJock: but he doesn't want to sync -1
[12:51] <ajmitch> since it's stuck in debian NEW
[12:52] <LaserJock> mattb: will there be Ubuntu changes in the future?
[12:52] <ajmitch> TheMuso: DDs
[12:52] <mattb> highly unlikely
[12:52] <TheMuso> ok
[12:52] <LaserJock> ajmitch: but we'd want to get rid of the ubuntu1 if we could
[12:52] <LaserJock> so we'd sync -1
[12:52] <mattb> the point of this upload is to get it into feisty asap
[12:52] <ajmitch> but we don't want to miss the freeze
[12:52] <LaserJock> either way it's not a big deal
[12:52] <mattb> rather than having to wait for it to get through NEW and then sync
[12:52] <ajmitch> debian NEW is crawling at the moment
[12:53] <LaserJock> well, I was just saying, if you have to change fiesty -> feisty
[12:53] <ajmitch> it may not get out for another couple of weeks
[12:53] <LaserJock> why not 1ubuntu1 -> 0ubuntu1 for completness
[12:53] <ajmitch> LaserJock: are you suggesting it be uploaded with -1build1?
[12:53] <LaserJock> no, althought that's not a exactly the worst idea ;-)
[12:53] <LaserJock> s/a//
[12:54] <LaserJock> any recovering RHELers want to help me find .xsession-errors?
[12:54] <LaserJock> Gnome and KDE won't start up
[12:55] <LaserJock> I'm guessing something must be going wrong at login
[12:55] <LaserJock> but I can't figure out where to look
[12:56] <TheMuso> LaserJock: I thought they were in the home directory.
[12:56] <LaserJock> TheMuso: I can't find it
[12:56] <TheMuso> hmmm
[12:57] <TheMuso> I guess you could always do a find / -name .xsession-errors :)
[12:57] <ajmitch> LaserJock: /tmp or /home full? :)
[12:57] <LaserJock> not even close
[12:57] <LaserJock> that's what the KDE login says
[12:58] <LaserJock> I tried moving .gnome* and .gconf*
[12:58] <LaserJock> but both Gnome and KDE have the problem
[12:58] <LaserJock> it just gives me a blue screen and a cursor
[01:00] <mattb> so, shall I upload again with feisty spelt correctly, and 0ubuntu1 ?
[01:02] <ajmitch> mattb: you may as well
[01:02] <ajmitch> & then it can sit & bitrot in ubuntu NEW
[01:02] <mattb> heh
[01:03] <ajmitch> though the oldest things in there are only 9 days
[01:04] <bddebian> heh
[02:08] <imbrandon> 
[02:09] <imbrandon> quiet night
[02:09] <lotusleaf> starry night
[02:09] <_ion> hungry night
[02:11] <sistpoty> I'm tired, right?
[02:11] <imbrandon> sistpoty, yea
[02:11] <sistpoty> hi imbrandon
[02:11] <imbrandon> heya
[02:11] <_ion> No, you're suffering from caffeine deficiency.
[02:11] <sistpoty> hehe
[02:12] <Hobbsee> imbrandon!!!
[02:13] <sistpoty> hi Hobbsee
[02:13] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i'm grabbing various fixes for amarok upstream at the moment, FYI
[02:13] <Hobbsee> hey sistpoty :)
[02:13] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee 
[02:14] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, rockin
[02:14] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: :)  i am useful for something, i think
[02:14] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:14] <superm1> hey imbrandon, ya didnt get the mythtv and mythplugins uploaded by uvf...... i filed a uvfe for them
[02:15] <imbrandon> superm1, sorry slipped my mind
[02:15] <imbrandon> i'll try to help it get pussed
[02:15] <superm1> imbrandon, not a problem as long as motu-uvf gets them approved :)
[02:15] <imbrandon> pushed*
[02:15] <superm1> awesome thanks
[02:21] <imbrandon> hrm
[02:23] <LaserJock> I'm so close to having my mirror done :-)
[02:24] <lotusleaf> LaserJock: who is the fairest fawn of all?
[02:24] <LaserJock> Feisty of course
[02:25] <lotusleaf> !chocsnack
[02:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chocsnack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:25] <LaserJock> until the cruel hunter kills Feisty's dad
[02:28] <imbrandon> LaserJock, you makin a mirror at the edu too?
[02:28] <imbrandon> full rsync ?
[02:33] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I'm using reprepo to make a mirror of i386/source main/universe at home
[02:35] <imbrandon> ahh cool
[02:35] <LaserJock> it's a bit of an experiment
[02:39] <LaserJock> but as I'll have 3 feisty machines tonight, I thought it'd be nice
[02:39] <LaserJock> also having all of the source locally will make packaging a bit more fun
[02:40] <sistpoty> well, I used apt-proxy as a cache for several machines... worked quite nice until apt-proxy switched to twisted. however that was some years ago
[02:40] <LaserJock> sure
[02:41] <LaserJock> but I'm investigating repo stuff
[02:42] <sistpoty> mini-dinstall is ... kinda ugly, but it works for me :)
[02:43] <LaserJock> yeah, I did that too
[02:43] <imbrandon> falcon ftw as far as making a repo
[02:43] <LaserJock> well, I can't use falcon exactly
[02:44] <imbrandon> why?
[02:47] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: once you find hte easiest and most useful, do tell me about it :)
[02:47] <Hobbsee> or come to think of it, i wonder if imbrandon can do repos on buntudot, so i wouldnt have to figure it out...
[02:47] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:49] <bddebian> WTF???
[02:49] <bddebian> bdefreese@bdubuntu1:~/revu/acroread-asianfonts$ linda ../../pbuild-feisty/result/acroread-asianfonts_7.0.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[02:49] <bddebian> Roses are red, violets are blue,
[02:49] <bddebian> lintian is dead and Culus goes moo.
[02:50] <Hobbsee> bddebian: haha
[02:50] <imbrandon> ll
[02:50] <imbrandon> +o
[02:51] <LaserJock> imbrandon: well, falcon isn't in the repos
[02:51] <LaserJock> imbrandon: and for what I'm doing I need to just use stuff that's in the repos
[02:52] <imbrandon> i supose i could talk Seveas into letting me upload it ;) its a little late now though
[02:53] <imbrandon> what are you doing anyhow?
[02:54] <LaserJock> oh, a little something
[02:54] <LaserJock> reprepo was really easy though
[02:54] <LaserJock> I'm not sure what the speed was
[02:54] <LaserJock> it took something like 4 days or so
[02:58] <LaserJock> ok, back to the blog post, it's only taken me like 7 hrs
[02:59] <imbrandon> heh
[02:59] <LaserJock> silly work, don't they know I have more important things to do, like blog about FLOSS
[02:59] <imbrandon> hrm anyone know how to make a dhcp server ( ubuntu ) serv a certain ip based on MAC
[03:00] <imbrandon> or where i can find the docs, google sucks
[03:01] <imbrandon> hrm , i think i found it
[03:06] <sistpoty> imbrandon: man dhcpd.conf... it's really straightforward
[03:08] <LaserJock> man, I can't wait to get home and upgrade my server desktop to Feisty
[03:09] <LaserJock> hmm, I wonder if update-manager would accept my mirror
[03:10] <LaserJock> I'm guessing not
[03:10] <LaserJock> heh, update-manager doesn't have a man page
[03:10] <LaserJock> tsk tsk
[03:11] <bddebian> heh
[03:11] <imbrandon> lol
[03:14] <ajmitch> ah, computers
[03:17] <LaserJock> ajmitch: they are aweful aren't they
[03:17] <ajmitch> yes
[03:18] <LaserJock> the more I use them the more I hate them
[03:18] <LaserJock> one of great curses on geeks everywhere
[03:18] <crimsun> and on non-geeks, too.
[03:18] <imbrandon> heh beowolf cluster of veggies
[03:18] <bddebian> I need to look for a new job and I'm thinking construction or something
[03:19] <LaserJock> I wouldn't even be good at McDonalds
[03:19] <LaserJock> if I don't get a job as a Chemist I don't know what I'll do ;-)
[03:19] <bddebian> I found some Linux jobs around here but I ain't gonna make what I do now :-(
[03:20] <LaserJock> bddebian: what do you do now?
[03:21] <bddebian> My title is IT Manager but I'm really a "jack of all trades, master of bation"
[03:21] <bddebian> Sometimes DBA, ERP implementation, help-desk, programmer...
[03:22] <bddebian> network admin, foo, bar...
[03:23] <ajmitch> man, and you stoop down to our level & help with ubuntu?
[03:24] <imbrandon> bddebian, sound like my job
[03:24] <ajmitch> bddebian is probably earning 3x what I do
[03:24] <imbrandon> probably 2X me
[03:24] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:25] <bddebian> Not quite at 6 figures yet unless you count bonuses :-(
[03:25] <ajmitch> 'not quite'?
[03:25] <ajmitch> man
[03:25] <LaserJock> sesh
[03:25] <ajmitch> mine's only 6 figures if you count the zeros after the decimal point
[03:25] <ajmitch> so bddebian probably earns > 4x what I do
[03:25] <imbrandon> yea about 2X me
[03:25] <LaserJock> bddebian: I make 20k :/
[03:25] <bddebian> I'm also old, married and have 3 kids guys :-)
[03:26] <imbrandon> i make arround 60K there abouts, plus bennies
[03:26] <LaserJock> bddebian: I'm married and my wife is currently unemployed. No kids though
[03:26] <LaserJock> me too
[03:27] <LaserJock> what a sob story
[03:27] <bddebian> :-(
[03:27] <sistpoty> LaserJock: but you earn money... I don't ;)
[03:27] <LaserJock> "Destitute MOTUs go on strike for higher wages" :-)
[03:27] <bddebian> LaserJock: Well I wasn't smart enough to finish College until I was about 30 :)
[03:27] <sistpoty> *cough*
[03:27] <ajmitch> LaserJock: which means that bddebian probably got his phd in something :)
[03:27] <LaserJock> sistpoty: true, my school is nice that way
[03:27] <bddebian> ajmitch: Hah, I don't even have a masters :-(
[03:28] <ajmitch> bddebian: so we know who to ask for donations when we are starving :)
[03:28] <imbrandon> hehehe
[03:28] <bddebian> Sure :-)
[03:28] <ajmitch> hey, we were just talking about a MOTU fund yesterday...
[03:28] <imbrandon> i'm still paying off everything though, from the 12+ months i dident work 
[03:30] <bddebian> OK damnit, I have gotten that goofy linda "error" now twice and I've never seen it before
[03:30] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well remember I've also sold my soul to M$ :-)
[03:31] <ajmitch> bddebian: that's ok, I'll remember that when I'm starving & broke ;)
[03:31] <LaserJock> TheMuso: do people hire for accesability work at all?
[03:31] <bddebian> TheMuso: Just go get an MSCE, they don't care :-)
[03:31] <bddebian> Err MCSE even
[03:32] <TheMuso> LaserJock: THere isn't the market for Linux accessibility atm.
[03:32] <TheMuso> bddebian: I said I was sick of studying, and don't really want to go back to the books for another year at least.
[03:32] <bddebian> :-)
[03:33] <TheMuso> LaserJock: And the Windows accessibility market is rather ted up already, and since I haven't used those technologies for a while, I wouldn't be able to get a job doing that.
[03:33] <TheMuso> s/ted/tied/
[03:34] <TheMuso> Including my standard school education, I was studying for 16 years.
[03:34] <ajmitch> that's not long
[03:35] <TheMuso> From when I first started school, to when I finished an IT related course last year.
[03:35] <bddebian> TheMuso: There's always the military :-)
[03:35] <TheMuso> bddebian: um............. no..........
[03:35] <TheMuso> And that also included a music degree.
[03:35] <bddebian> Something wrong with the military?
[03:35] <TheMuso> But I don't want a music career either.
[03:35] <TheMuso> bddebian: If you didn't know already, I have a vision impairement.
[03:36] <bddebian> Oh, no, I didn't know that
[03:36] <ajmitch> it doesn't really show over irc :)
[03:36] <TheMuso> Of course it doesn't.
[03:37] <TheMuso> People who haven't got a disability being involved with acecssibility related work is rather rare.
[03:37] <TheMuso> accessibility even
[03:38] <bddebian> sistpoty: :-)
[03:38] <LaserJock> TheMuso: I'm still amazed sometimes at how much you are able to do and how fast
[03:38] <LaserJock> heno too
[03:38] <LaserJock> it's really cool
[03:38] <ajmitch> sistpoty: yes, I'm sure you're normal ;)
[03:38] <LaserJock> well, impairment isn't cool
[03:38] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Heno is truely amazing.
[03:38] <LaserJock> but people still being able to use computers is
[03:38] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[03:40] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Its always an uphill battle for people like myself, but we get by with what we have.
[03:40] <TheMuso> In terms of things in life not being thought through for accessibility reasons.
[03:40] <TheMuso> Like visual verification on websites for one.
[03:41] <imbrandon> hum
[03:41] <TheMuso> Sites do offer alternate means to do what you want, but its not always the best alternative.
[03:41] <ajmitch> TheMuso: how impaired is your vision?
[03:41] <ajmitch> ie, how do you manage with something like irc?
[03:41] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Well I am legally blind, am a Braille reader, can read large print slowly.
[03:41] <TheMuso> Can't exactly remember how much vision I actually have.
[03:41] <ajmitch> right
[03:41] <TheMuso> And I also use synthesized speech.
[03:42] <TheMuso> ajmitch: WHo was that?
[03:42] <ajmitch> just a student at the hall of residence I was at
[03:42] <LaserJock> TheMuso: that's what I find amazing, I would never know from your irc converstions
[03:43] <LaserJock> it seems like it would take me forever to be able to "read" and write like that
[03:43] <imbrandon> yea i never knew untill it was popinted out
[03:43] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Since I have been vision impaired since birth, I have grown up learning alternative ways for reading and writing.
[03:44] <TheMuso> SO I started learning Braille when I started school, and also learnt to read print concurrently.
[03:44] <TheMuso> Then started learning to type in my third year of school.
[03:44] <TheMuso> That was 1990, and have been typing ever since.
[03:44] <TheMuso> I can also write braille if the need arrises.
[03:45] <LaserJock> how good is the the synthesized speech? what happens if there is a typo or non-standard word?
[03:45] <_ion> I'm curious; if you change the irssi window, will the speak synth read the whole "new" contents aloud?
[03:45] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Depends on the typo, and it also depends on the speech synthesizer.
[03:45] <TheMuso> At the moment, I have three different speech synthesizers in my posession.
[03:46] <TheMuso> All sound completely different.
[03:46] <TheMuso> Sorry, make the five, if you include the free software speech synthesizers.
[03:46] <ajmitch> that's quite a few
[03:46] <TheMuso> But I prefer to use hardware speech synthesizers.
[03:46] <TheMuso> Three of those are ISA cards.
[03:47] <TheMuso> I also have two serial synthesizers, which are both the same, and have the same speech as one of the ISA cards.
[03:47] <ajmitch> scary, ISA cards
[03:47] <imbrandon> heh
[03:48] <TheMuso> No actually, make that 6. I just remembered another proprietary synth for Linux that I have, but don't use much.
[03:48] <ajmitch> it's hard to find motherboards with those
[03:48] <imbrandon> i havent seen ISA in quite a while
[03:48] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Thats why I'm holding onto my dual celeron.
[03:48] <LaserJock> I have a number of ISA cards around the lab
[03:48] <_ion> Abit BP6?
[03:48] <TheMuso> _ion: Yep.
[03:48] <LaserJock> we "just" upgraded to PCI boards for data aquisition
[03:48] <imbrandon> wow
[03:49] <TheMuso> There is *ONE* PCI synth, but not supported in Linux yet.
[03:49] <imbrandon> might as well have went PCIe or something
[03:49] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I don't think they make PCIe boards yet for what we do
[03:49] <_ion> It's a nice motherboard, but it has a *horrible* ATA66 controller. :-)
[03:49] <LaserJock> the latest and greatest is USB and Ethernet
[03:49] <TheMuso> _ion: Thats why I don't use it.
[03:49] <TheMuso> I threw in an IDE card.
[03:49] <bddebian> USB r t43 suXX0r
[03:50] <_ion> When i had one, i bought a PCI SATA controller.
[03:50] <TheMuso> And flashed a BIOS into it not containing the highpoint BIOS.
[03:50] <LaserJock> bddebian: I'm using GPIB right now, USB would be a definate step up ;-)
[03:50] <imbrandon> bah just use a c64 1541 floppy
[03:50] <TheMuso> lol
[03:50] <bddebian> LaserJock: BTW, help me fix that on REVU ;-P
[03:50] <bddebian> imbrandon: :)
[03:51] <LaserJock> bddebian: I've got to run home
[03:51] <bddebian> Were you even alive when C64's were around imbrandon?
[03:51] <LaserJock> maybe tonight I'll have a look
[03:51] <LaserJock> I doubt I was
[03:51] <bddebian> LaserJock: Well it's been up there for a few weeks :-)
[03:51] <imbrandon> lol yea bddebian 
[03:51] <LaserJock> I almost missed the DOS age
[03:51] <_ion> You mean C64s aren't around anymore? :-)
[03:51] <_ion> There's a whole active demoscene around C64. ;-)
[03:51] <bddebian> Probably on E-Bay
[03:52] <TheMuso> Ideally, I'd love to write kernel drivers for all ISA/PCI synths so they appear as standard serial like devices in /dev, and then interface them with Orca.
[03:52] <sistpoty> I've even read some docs about making the c64 display 256 colors... with some nasty and amazing asm tricks
[03:52] <TheMuso> wow
[03:53] <LaserJock> hmm, I usually don't use "love" "write" and "kernel" so close together
[03:53] <bddebian> hehe
[03:53] <sistpoty> lol
[03:53] <TheMuso> haha
[03:53] <TheMuso> Well as much as software speech is good, hardware will always be better.
[03:53] <TheMuso> Less CPU load.
[03:53] <LaserJock> I'm just figuring out how to write a GUI in something other than python
[03:54] <LaserJock> that low level stuff is going to take me forever
[03:54] <sistpoty> oh... I've even had a speech synth on c64... I'm still amazed that this was actually possible
[03:54] <crimsun> sure. "I love bug triaging sound issues in linux-source-2.6.12, linux-source-2.6.15, linux-source-2.6.17 and linux-source-2.6.20."
[03:54] <_ion> It shouldn't be *very* straining on CPU.
[03:54] <TheMuso> _ion: It isn't but I have found that dedicated hardware synths are more responsive.
[03:54] <TheMuso> And it leaves CPU for more important things.
[03:54] <bddebian> LaserJock: How about .NET.. Just drag and drop some controls :-)
[03:55] <LaserJock> bddebian: probably not
[03:55] <LaserJock> my brain is only going to take in so many programming languages
[03:55] <bddebian> I'm having to play with it for work.. Sheesh...
[03:55] <bddebian> I used to like ASP
[03:56] <LaserJock> right now Fortan, Python, and C++ are more than enough to keep me busy
[03:56] <sistpoty> LaserJock: know one, know them all, that's what I experienced until I learned functional programming
[03:56] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't know any then :(
[03:57] <LaserJock> I could probably use a programming course
[03:57] <LaserJock> I tend to do much better in an academic setting
[03:57] <bddebian> Define "know".  I can write "Hello World" in several languages but I wouldn't say I "know" them :-)
[03:57] <LaserJock> exactly
[03:58] <sistpoty> the compiler construction course helped me a lot. If you think how the compiler does it, you suddenly understand even issues that seem weird at first.
[03:58] <LaserJock> I've read through the books and tutorials
[03:58] <_ion> Re: programming courses, some amazing lectures from the 1980s: http://johan.kiviniemi.name/blag/2007/02/13/structure-and-interpretation-of-computer-programs/
[03:58] <LaserJock> but I still feel really really unprepared when I try to do anything real
[03:58] <bddebian> Actually I know the C syntax very well but get into linking, macros, and all that shit, I get blown away :-(
[03:58] <TheMuso> The only way I learn programming related stuff, is applying it to something practicle.
[03:59] <LaserJock> I got an autotools book out of the library the other day
[03:59] <LaserJock> it's been pretty good
[03:59] <TheMuso> I now know bash fluently, because I've had to use it a lot.
[03:59] <LaserJock> applies well to packaging as well, which is nice
[03:59] <LaserJock> my bash is good enough to be dangerous :-)
[03:59] <sistpoty> hehe
[03:59] <TheMuso> I can do php with the reference manual handy.
[04:00] <Laser_away> really away now
[04:00] <bddebian> Later man
[04:00] <sistpoty> cya Laser_away
[04:00] <TheMuso> I struggle most with languages where one has to import/include header files/libraries, as I don't use them enough to remember what I need to include.
[04:01] <TheMuso> However, I am able to look at some c code, and if variables/functions are named well, can work out what it does.
[04:02] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[04:03] <bddebian> Gnight sistpoty
[04:10] <imbrandon> bbiab
[05:35] <Hobbsee> any core devs around?
[05:38] <ajmitch> nope
[05:38] <TheMuso> heh
[05:42] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: darn you.  :P
[06:07] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: now what did you want, and why?
[06:07] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: an amarok upload sponsor.
[06:07] <ajmitch> main is frozen
[06:07] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: but i'd forgotten that we were in freeze.
[06:07] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: it can wait and sit in the queue, cant it?
[06:08] <ajmitch> I think the preference is to check first
[06:10] <LaserJock> is apt-get or aptitude better for a full dist-upgrade?
[06:11] <LaserJock> update-manager is throwing an error
[06:11] <jmillikin> I prefer apt-get, since it's only one line
[06:11] <imbrandon> apt-get imho
[06:11] <imbrandon> aptitude tries to be too smart
[06:12] <RAOF> You just need to read what it says it'll do.
[06:12] <LaserJock> heh
[06:12] <imbrandon> and half the time i dont want it to do what it says ;)
[06:12] <LaserJock> I haven't had a ton of success with it
[06:12] <LaserJock> you really have to stay on top of it or it gets way too messy
[06:12] <imbrandon> yea
[06:13] <imbrandon> anyhow off to work for a few hours , see yall when i get there
[06:13] <ajmitch> bye imbrandon :)
[06:14] <LaserJock> hmm, my karma is going to be 0 in a few weeks
[06:14] <bddebian> heh
[06:14] <ajmitch> mine is already close to 0
[06:14] <LaserJock> mine has been cut in half since their change
[06:15] <LaserJock> I've barely go 2k
[06:15] <imbrandon> mine went from 16K to 4K
[06:15] <imbrandon> bbiab
[06:15] <ajmitch> surprising, I only had 7K last week
[06:16] <ajmitch> I didn't think I'd get that much in a week
[06:18] <bddebian> LaserJock: Nah, just write some specs ;-P
[06:19] <Fujitsu> bddebian: Or use the support tracker!
[06:19] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: it's 13K now, what are you complaining about?
[06:19] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: make a new translation, and do lots of it.
[06:19] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Is it!?
[06:19] <Fujitsu> How odd.
[06:19] <Fujitsu> It was 9.5k when I last checked.
[06:19] <ajmitch> yes, and mine was about 7.2K last week
[06:19] <LaserJock> specs are good
[06:19] <TheMuso> Do you get karma when you upload?
[06:20] <Fujitsu> It'd be nice if it didn't fluctuate like that.
[06:20] <Hobbsee> 18K now.  pathetic.
[06:20] <Fujitsu> 1022+1165 != 13139
[06:20] <ajmitch> launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/+polls
[06:20] <ajmitch> people actually voted no for dholbach
[06:20] <LaserJock> TheMuso: no
[06:21] <ajmitch> 1 person voted no for me :)
[06:21] <Hobbsee> oh yes, i need to vote on that
[06:21] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: too late
[06:21] <Hobbsee> Support Tracker  	773
[06:21] <Hobbsee> you're kidding, right?  i filed one support request, maybe two...
[06:21] <TheMuso> SO what was the result?
[06:21] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: MC voting closed, you had 2 weeks
[06:21] <ajmitch> TheMuso: look at the url
[06:21] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:21] <Hobbsee> 3 disapproved, it seems
[06:22] <Hobbsee> of dholbach
[06:22] <ajmitch> count the approved/disapproved for each candidate
[06:22] <ajmitch> I'm worried about that
[06:22] <ajmitch> why would 3 people disapprove of dholbach?
[06:22] <TheMuso> Rightr
[06:22] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[06:22] <TheMuso> Why would they?
[06:22] <Hobbsee> because he's doing the CC
[06:23] <ajmitch> cc nomination was only public yesterday
[06:23] <ajmitch> I doubt it would have changed peoples minds
[06:23] <Hobbsee> where do we vote for CC nominations, btw?
[06:23] <Hobbsee> true
[06:23] <Hobbsee> enough troubles with the forums stuff, though
[06:24] <bddebian> Shit, I forgot to vote too :'-(
[06:24] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you don't vote yet
[06:24] <ajmitch> polls are not open
[06:24] <Hobbsee> darn :(
[06:24] <LaserJock> I'm amazed we had that many votes then
[06:24] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Shame for anybody disapproving you
[06:24] <LaserJock> if Hobbsee and bddebian missed it
[06:25] <ajmitch> TheMuso: it was expected
[06:25] <TheMuso> well thats settled.
[06:26] <ajmitch> oh well
[06:26] <ajmitch> I guess I have to do stuff now
[06:26] <LaserJock> well, we at least have to have the *appearence* that there was a reason to vote
[06:26] <LaserJock> ;-)
[06:27] <ajmitch> what's funny is that I had the most votes
[06:27] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Bull****
[06:27] <LaserJock> Long Live the MOTU Trinity!
[06:28] <ajmitch> 31 votes in total for me, yet dholbach had 30, crimsun 29, sistpoty 27, gpocentek 21
[06:28] <LaserJock> TheMuso: fine, you caught me
[06:28] <ajmitch> you'd think that people would try & vote for everyone
[06:28] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[06:28] <ajmitch> screwy people
[06:28] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I think you can cast a "I don't care" vote
[06:28] <ajmitch> even so..
[06:28] <ajmitch> strange
[06:29] <TheMuso> Well I said yes to all.
[06:29] <TheMuso> I have had packages reviewed by all of those people at some point.
[06:29] <ajmitch> hehe
[06:29] <ajmitch> so that was your criteria for voting?
[06:29] <TheMuso> Not at all.
[06:29] <TheMuso> But I have worked with you all, which gives me an insite as to what you are like with MOTU work.
[06:30] <TheMuso> SO it was based on having worked with the candidates previously.
[06:34] <TheMuso> Ok, what do we do if our membership is about to expire?
[06:34] <TheMuso> I know we have to contact Denis, but where from there?
[06:36] <Fujitsu> It was discussed at the last CC meeting.
[06:36] <TheMuso> Right.
[06:37] <Fujitsu> (note that your membership won't actually vanish until your ubuntu-dev membership does, as ubuntu-dev is a member of ubuntumembers)
[06:37] <TheMuso> Right so I don't need to worry about it, or should I contact Dennis anyway?
[06:38] <ajmitch> talk to him
[06:38] <TheMuso> Yeah ok
[06:41] <TheMuso> ok thanks
[07:01] <bddebian> Gnight gang
[07:24] <LaserJock> welcome Prince Daniel!
[07:24] <dholbach> good morning
[07:24] <dholbach> good morning Seor LaserJock :)
[07:25] <Fujitsu> Hey dholbach.
[07:25] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach 
[07:25] <dholbach> heya Fujitsu, hey ho
[07:25] <dholbach> Hobbsee :-)
[07:25] <dholbach> lalala :)
[07:26] <Lutin> hay there
[07:28] <dholbach> heya Lutin
[07:29] <Hobbsee> dholbach: hehe, i dont get a title?
[07:29] <Lutin> heya dholbach 
[07:31] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: She-Ra, Princess of Power
[07:31] <LaserJock> so says google
[07:32] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: heh, oookay then!
[07:33] <LaserJock> I think it goes well with the DOOM stick
[07:37] <TheMuso> haha
[07:38] <Lutin> I see some packages install their man3 pages in /usr/share/doc/<package>/man/man3. what's the difference with the packages installing them in /usr/share/man/man3 ?
[07:39] <joejaxx> hello all
[07:39] <joejaxx> :)
[07:39] <LaserJock> hi joejaxx 
[07:39] <joejaxx> hello LaserJock 
[07:40] <matt_good> I think there's a problem with the REVU password recovery
[07:40] <matt_good> see http://revu.tauware.de/lostpw.py?email=abcd
[07:41] <matt_good> I get the same message with my email address
[07:42] <matt_good> some instructions for using GPG, and "Now paste the text below,", but there's no more text
[07:44] <tonyyarusso> Query:  Why is Livejournal (blogging software) not in the repos?  It seems to be GPL2+, btw.
[07:44] <RAOF> Because no-one's packaged it?
[07:44] <RAOF> Is it in Debian?
[07:44] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: Not sure - I'll check
[07:45] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: No.
[07:46] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: So, the reason is because no-one's packaged it :)
[07:46] <RAOF> (that's your cue)
[07:46] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: Cool, simple enough.  I've been meaning to teach myself how to package anyway - maybe I'll give it a whirl.
[07:46] <RAOF> The Ubuntu packaging guide is cool.
[07:46] <LaserJock> it'
[07:47] <RAOF> Also, CDBS is awesome if the program doesn't do anything crazy.
[07:47] <LaserJock> it's getting there
[07:47] <tonyyarusso> CDBS?
[07:47] <RAOF> Common Debian Build System.
[07:47] <LaserJock> it's a build helper
[07:47] <RAOF> Basically, a whole series of makefile scripts that you include into debian/rules
[07:47] <LaserJock> debhelper is the other common one
[07:47] <tonyyarusso> Is it better to read the debian new maintainers guide first (what I tried before) or the Ubuntu guide first?
[07:47] <RAOF> Which takes care of everything for you.
[07:48] <RAOF> I read the Ubuntu guide first.
[07:48] <LaserJock> *cough*Ubuntu Packaging Guide *cough*
[07:48] <RAOF> Debian's good for actual policy things.
[07:48] <tonyyarusso> So that's two votes for Ubuntu.
[07:48] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: I wrote the packaging guide as basically a replacement for the new maintainers guid
[07:49] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: Hopefully it's less confusing?
[07:49] <LaserJock> I personally think the packaging guide and the Debian Policy are good places to go
[07:49] <LaserJock> I hope so
[07:49] <LaserJock> let me know if you hit snags
[07:49] <RAOF> I *certainly* recommend the packaging guide.
[07:50] <LaserJock> I think it's really tough to make a packaging doc that is both easy to read/learn and comprehensive
[07:50] <RAOF> Yeah, there's a lot to learn.
[07:51] <tonyyarusso> Yup
[07:51] <RAOF> Just ask if you run into snags, though.  I'll be happy to help.
[07:52] <tonyyarusso> sure thing - thanks
[07:53] <LaserJock> you can file bugs at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs/+filebug for the packaging guide too
[07:53] <tonyyarusso> btw, how is it done that things are built for multiple architectures?  Is that just a compile option, or do you need different machines?
[07:54] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: when a packag is uploaded it is sent to the Ubuntu build machines
[07:54] <LaserJock> we only upload source packages
[07:54] <tonyyarusso> (Also, I assume at this stage in the game I should shoot for Feisty+1 inclusion, if anything?)
[07:54] <tonyyarusso> aaaah
[07:54] <LaserJock> unless you are very quick
[07:54] <LaserJock> deadline is 22nd
[07:54] <tonyyarusso> Hmm, ok.
[07:55] <RAOF> I need to push gandalfn to get gnome-compiz-manager reviewed and fixed.  Sooon!
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> um, where IS the packaging guide these days?
[07:56] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: use doc.ubuntu.com
[07:56] <LaserJock> on the bottom right
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: Can I install it, pretty please?
[07:56] <LaserJock> not presently, actually
[07:57] <LaserJock> I'm splitting it off into a seperate binary package
[07:57] <tonyyarusso> hoh boy
[07:57] <LaserJock> so far in feisty it's not installed
[07:57] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: Quickly, preferably.  ;)
[07:57] <LaserJock> because of the help reorganization
[07:58] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: Reason being, every time I want to go to the next page, I'll need to grab a snack while it loads.
[07:58] <LaserJock> lol
[07:58] <tonyyarusso> dialup is FUUUNNN
[07:58] <LaserJock> you *could* get the pdf of the edgy version
[07:58] <LaserJock> from help.ubuntu.com
[07:58] <tonyyarusso> pdf isn't too great either
[07:59] <LaserJock> hmm, maybe I should build my own .debs of it
[07:59] <LaserJock> I've got to have some excuse to have my own repo ;-)
[08:00] <RAOF> LaserJock: I suggest building debs for random SVN snapshots.  That's why my repository exists :)
[08:01] <LaserJock> RAOF: how is the packaging subforum of the subforum going? :-)
[08:01] <RAOF> It's been ages since I've been there, frankly.
[08:02] <LaserJock> me too
[08:02] <RAOF> LaserJock: Do you want to review gnome-compiz-manager, while I ask the packager if he'd be ok with me handling the packages :)?
[08:03] <LaserJock> sorry, I actually have to get to bed right now
[08:03] <LaserJock> good night all
[08:03] <RAOF> Curse you and your sleeep!
[08:03] <RAOF> Night.
[08:03] <Laser_away> sorry RAOF, even the best of us have to sleep
[08:03] <Laser_away> except crimsun of course
[08:03] <Fujitsu> Night, Laser_away.
[08:05] <tonyyarusso> dude, is irssi ignoring nickchanges?
[08:06] <tonyyarusso> oh, yep
[08:18] <tonyyarusso> Please tell me you're kidding...
[08:18] <tonyyarusso> "Creating a pbuilder environment will take some time as debootstrap essentially downloads a minimal Ubuntu installation."
[08:18] <tonyyarusso> It would probably take me until the 22nd to do that...
[08:18] <tonyyarusso> :(
[08:18] <Fujitsu> Well, that's what it does.
[08:18] <tonyyarusso> oh boy
[08:18] <tonyyarusso> This is going to get interesting.
[08:19] <tonyyarusso> Public library, here I come.
[08:26] <janm> tonyyarusso, have you tried cowbuilder? It's quicker but a li'l bit trickier than pbuilder. 
[08:27] <tonyyarusso> janm: Haven't tried anything yet.
[08:27] <tonyyarusso> Basically, anything is going to be slow here.
[08:27] <tonyyarusso> We have dialup :P
[08:29] <janm> tonyyarusso, :)
[08:33] <tonyyarusso> Well, that's all for tonight.
[08:57] <StevenK> cowbuilder looks neat. I'm just not sure how to update a cowbuilder build place.
[09:18] <janm> StevenK, I use this to update mine (adjust it accordingly) -> "sudo cowbuilder --update --basepath=/pbuilder/base.cow --buildplace=/pbuilder/build"
[10:04] <imbrandon> hum
[10:06] <RAOF> The peasants run in confusion.
[10:09] <imbrandon> lol
[10:11] <lucas> if someone was planning to write an article for debaday.debian.net, please do so now, as we don't have any article ready in the queue
[10:12] <imbrandon> heya lucas 
[10:12] <imbrandon> hum i dont have time to tonight, i have been meaning to try to get one up
[10:12] <imbrandon> maybe the next day or so
[10:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> this may not be the correct place to ask - but how does ubuntu get the 'translate this app' and 'get help online'  into every app. are they manually patched in, or is there an automated way?
[10:17] <imbrandon> its patched into the kde libs ( and i assume gnomelibs too )
[10:17] <jwhitlark> hmm. doesn't look like there's ever been an article done on multitail...
[10:18] <imbrandon> Kamping_Kaiser, look at launchpad-intergration iirc ( the package )
[10:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> imbrandon, thanks, i'll check it out.
[10:18] <imbrandon> heya jwhitlark 
[10:18] <jwhitlark> heya,  what's up.  how was the motu meeting?
[10:19] <imbrandon> i missed it, durring my sleep time, i have to catch the minutes today
[10:19] <jwhitlark> ah.  what's new since UDS?  anything interesting?
[10:20] <imbrandon> a few things, not alot
[10:20] <imbrandon> motu wise or with me?
[10:20] <jwhitlark> life treating you ok?
[10:20] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:20] <jwhitlark> you.
[10:20] <imbrandon> with me, new job, new car, divorced wife, ummmm and ummm yea
[10:20] <imbrandon> :)
[10:21] <imbrandon> took a packaging break for a few weeks , but i've been catching back up the last month or so
[10:21] <jwhitlark> heh,  when you were talking about work, I was thinking, 'I thought he was self employed...'
[10:21] <imbrandon> working on ways to get to the various confrences, even got a talk scheduled at one heh
[10:21] <jwhitlark> divorce is final now then, huh.
[10:21] <imbrandon> yup yup, 1000% done
[10:22] <jwhitlark> cool, which one and what talk?
[10:22] <jwhitlark> good for you.
[10:22] <imbrandon> ubuntu live, and about the use of Ubuntu in a Corp env
[10:22] <jwhitlark> oooohhhhh.  shiny....
[10:22] <imbrandon> other than that alot of the same old same old
[10:23] <jwhitlark> heh, considering how bad I screwed up V. Day, I might be joining you....
[10:23] <imbrandon> hahah hows that?
[10:23] <imbrandon> brb one sec, phone 
[10:29] <imbrandon> re
[10:30] <jwhitlark> well, what I said was 'I'll cook dinner', what she heard was 'I'm going to server you a four course meal with champagne, candlelight, flowers, gifts, a fire in the fireplace, and everything will be perfect and you won't have to do a thing.'
[10:30] <imbrandon> hahahah that sounds so right
[10:30] <imbrandon> been there
[10:30] <ajmitch> hah
[10:31] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch 
[10:31] <ajmitch> for me, it was just sitting at home in front of irc ;)
[10:31] <jwhitlark> so now I'm going to take friday off and surprise her with what she thought she was getting, otherwise I'll here about it for weeks...
[10:31] <imbrandon> for me it was sleeping off a hangover
[10:31] <ajmitch> hi
[10:31] <jwhitlark> hehe
[10:31] <imbrandon> lol
[10:31] <imbrandon> right on, good .plan
[10:31] <StevenK> For me, it was a candlelit dinner.
[10:32] <imbrandon> StevenK, alone? just teasin
[10:32] <jwhitlark> she's asleep now, but I'm kinda annoyed about it, so I was playing python challenge for a while...
[10:32] <jwhitlark> ajmitch, there's something too that...
[10:32] <imbrandon> zomg http://digg.com/tech_news/U_S_senator_It_s_time_to_ban_Wikipedia_in_schools_libraries
[10:33] <imbrandon> how clueless is the goverment
[10:33] <jwhitlark> saw it.  that jerk with the pipes again.
[10:33] <imbrandon> s/the/our
[10:34] <imbrandon> yea the pipes / truck intarweb dweeb
[10:34] <ajmitch> heh
[10:35] <ajmitch> everyone knows the internet is done by wet pieces of string
[10:35] <jwhitlark> this is pretty tight, look how many people have conquered the middle east: http://mapsofwar.com/ind/imperial-history.html
[10:35] <ajmitch> at least to NZ
[10:35] <jwhitlark> ajmitch, I though it was dixie cups and dry string?!  Are you giving away trade secrets!!!
[10:37] <ajmitch> no, wet string for us
[10:37] <ajmitch> there's too much ocean to keep it dry
[10:37] <ajmitch> though they are upgrading the piece of string to 1.2Tbps, I heard
[10:38] <jwhitlark> heh
[10:39] <jwhitlark> imbrandon, any more thoughts about pycon?
[10:40] <ajmitch> so good to see NEW still stalled
[10:43] <TheMuso> Hey all once again.
[10:45] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso 
[10:46] <ajmitch> hi TheMuso 
[10:46] <imbrandon> jwhitlark, yea i'm gonna take a day trip mostlikely unless something crazy pops up
[10:46] <imbrandon> i have the time/money to doso
[10:46] <jwhitlark> cool, catch ya there.
[10:46] <imbrandon> ok bbiab , i have to get some real work done ( back in 1 hour or so )
[10:47] <ajmitch> imbrandon: cool, want to sponsor a trip for me?
[10:47] <imbrandon> new nagios server here i come
[10:47] <jwhitlark> let me know when you're going, we'll set ya up in a room share.
[10:47] <imbrandon> ajmitch, i totaly wish i could, maybe when it gets closer to time i can for ubuntu live
[10:47] <ajmitch> hehe
[10:47] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:47] <jwhitlark> you use dapper or edgy for nagios?
[10:47] <ajmitch> it's ok, it'd cost a fortune :)
[10:47] <imbrandon> edgy , its the only one with the perc 5/i raid controller drivers
[10:48] <jwhitlark> ah, that's what I'm running mine on too.
[10:48] <imbrandon> so we use edgy on almost all our servers because most dell's ( mostly 2950's ) have the perc 5/i
[10:48] <jwhitlark> now if only I could get that NT4 domain to samba migration working...
[10:49] <imbrandon> i have them all on win2k3 AD auth
[10:49] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:49] <jwhitlark> @^$%^$%^# thing has been giving me fits!
[10:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> jwhitlark, samba4's vampire looks pretty cool
[10:49] <ajmitch> should be trivial
[10:49] <imbrandon> should be simple
[10:49] <imbrandon> i dident have much problems
[10:49] <StevenK> Kamping_Kaiser: Now with longer fangs!
[10:49] <ajmitch> Kamping_Kaiser: sure, but samba4 is a long way off
[10:49] <jwhitlark> except I can't get it to join the bloody domain!
[10:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> ajmitch, unfortunately so
[10:49] <jwhitlark> at all!
[10:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> StevenK, woot ;)
[10:50] <imbrandon> jwhitlark, lemme get this nagios thing done for work then i'll shoot you the doc we use inhouse for setting it up
[10:50] <imbrandon> should be simple
[10:50] <jwhitlark> cool, thanks.  
[10:50] <imbrandon> takes me less than 10 minutes to get a new box on the domain
[10:51] <jwhitlark> as PDC?
[10:51] <imbrandon> no as a member, our pdc and bdc are true 2k3 servers
[10:51] <jwhitlark> ah.
[10:51] <imbrandon> but pdc should be easier than a member
[10:51] <jwhitlark> want to email it to me? jwhitlark@zentek.com
[10:52] <imbrandon> yea give me a few, might be at the end of my shit but i'll get it out to ya
[10:52] <imbrandon> shift*
[10:52] <ajmitch> hehe
[10:52] <ajmitch> nice typo
[10:52] <imbrandon> haha yea
[10:52] <jwhitlark> no prob.  I'm going to bed anyway.
[10:52] <ajmitch> anyway, night all
[10:52] <imbrandon> gnight ajmitch 
[10:52] <jwhitlark> nite
[12:34] <TheMuso> Good evening Princess of power. :p
[12:34] <TheMuso> The title bestoed upon Hobbsee by Laserjock I think.
[12:35] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[12:37] <Fujitsu> Aha! I graffitied that one, remember?
[12:37] <TheMuso> hahahahahahaha
[12:37] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Unidentify, it'd drop the cloak. :-P
[12:37] <TheMuso> hahahaha
[12:41] <tsmithe> :)
[12:44] <geser> dholbach: about bug #85135: is it important that I become bug contact because I don't speak haskell? I wouldn't be much help
[12:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85135 in gtk2hs "[UVF exception]  Sync gtk2hs (0.9.10.5-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85135
[12:45] <geser> dholbach: gtk2hs was first uploaded in feisty and ftbfs because we have ghc 6.6 already so we don't have any binaries yet
[12:46] <dholbach> geser: gtk2hs doesn't have that many bugs... I think it's important to have somebody who can liaise with upstream once we get a new version in that is broken
[12:46] <dholbach> daniel@lovegood:~/bzr/bughelper.dev$ ./bugnumbers --stats gtk2hs
[12:46] <dholbach> Total Bugs: 1
[12:46] <dholbach> Status:  {'Needs Info': 1}
[12:46] <dholbach> Importance:  {'Undecided': 1}
[12:46] <dholbach> daniel@lovegood:~/bzr/bughelper.dev$ 
[12:46] <dholbach> I can't force you to do it... I just think it'd be a good idea :)
[12:48] <geser> it doesn't have any bugs because it never got build successfully
[12:48] <dholbach> right
[12:48] <dholbach> I appreciate you working on it
[12:49] <coNP> is it a gtk-binding for haskell?
[12:49] <geser> gtk2hs is blocking the removal of the old mozilla suite as the gtk2hs build-depends on mozilla-dev
[12:50] <dholbach> It's ok if you decide to not be bug contact for a while.
[12:51] <geser> coNP: yes
[12:51] <coNP> geser: that sounds very nice :)
[01:02] <fernando> moin all
[01:17] <TheMuso> One more logn email to reply to, and then thats it for me tonight.
[01:27] <imbrandon> heh
[04:14] <gpocentek> hello Universe
[04:14] <phanatic> hi gpocentek 
[04:15] <gpocentek> hi phanatic :)
[04:34] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:35] <phanatic> hey bddebian 
[04:36] <bddebian> Heya phanatic
[04:51] <pochu> hello everybody! I've a problem with the dependencies: listen needs python-mutagen, but if I add it to the build-deps, when it's built, it doesn't have python-mutagen in the normal build-deps, do I need to put it in both build-deps and deps?
[05:01] <ScottK> pochu: Does it need python-mutagen to build or just to run?
[05:01] <pochu> ScottK: both
[05:01] <ScottK> Then I'm pretty sure you have to list it both places.
[05:02] <pochu> ScottK: ok, thanks. I thought it would be put automatically in build with ${misc:Depends}
[05:03] <ScottK> I'm pretty sure not.  Otherwise you'd never have build-deps that weren't runtime deps when you used it.
[05:03] <pochu> ScottK: ok, thanks a lot!
[05:22] <pochu> is universe frozen?
[05:23] <bddebian> For Upstream Version bumps, yes.  Not for NEW
[05:25] <pochu> bddebian: and for bug fixes?
[05:25] <pochu> I mean: -0ubuntu1 ---> -0ubuntu2 :)
[05:26] <bddebian> NOpe that's fine
[05:26] <pochu> ok, thanks :)
[05:32] <matt_good> bddebian: are you or someone else here able to re-sync the REVU keyring?
[05:45] <bddebian> matt_good: Not me, sorry
[06:04] <cbx33> anyone ever experienced a problem with network-manager
[06:04] <cbx33> it's just lost all my network interfaces
[06:04] <cbx33> reboot does nothing
[06:04] <giskard> did you read /usr/share/doc/n-m/README.Debian?
[06:04] <cbx33> not yet
[06:04] <cbx33> it was woring fine
[06:07] <Lutin> hay there
[06:08] <cbx33> yeh read that
[06:08] <cbx33> no help ;)
[06:09] <Lutin> any doxygen master around ? :)
[06:35] <Laser_away> stink
[06:35] <Laser_away> I dist upgraded my desktop last night and I lost USB
[06:37] <crimsun> nice, that's about as vague as one can be.
[06:39] <ogra> crimsun, nah ... "upgraded, now doesnt work" is vague ...  :)
[06:39] <ogra> you have at least a pointer what doesnt work ... thanks to developer experience on the reporters side *g*
[06:39] <Laser_away> hehe
[06:40] <Laser_away> well, all I know is devices are dead
[06:40] <ogra> check dmesg and the other usual suspects ... if nothing helps blame Keybuk :)
[06:41] <Laser_away> I'm checking dmesg
[06:41] <Laser_away> gotta figure out what it's IP address is first (n-m blew away my network setup)
[06:43] <Laser_away> wha???
[06:43] <Laser_away> how did I end up with Xen kernels
[06:50] <Laser_away> grrrr
[06:50] <Laser_away> ok, I got USB back by not using the Xen kernel
[06:50] <Laser_away> although I have no idea why I have a Xen kernel
[06:51] <Laser_away> but still no networking as it seems that n-m still doesn't play well with static IPs
[06:51] <crimsun> known issue, thanks for playing!
[06:51] <Laser_away> I thought they fixed that
[06:51] <Laser_away> guess not
[06:52] <Laser_away> so now I've got to remove n-m and ubuntu-desktop :/
[06:52] <Laser_away> is there a way I can just turn it off without removing it?
[06:52] <zul> Laser_away: why are you using the xen kernel?
[06:53] <zul> and edgy or feisty? :)
[06:56] <Laser_away> zul: feisty, and I'm not using it
[06:56] <zul> ok..
[06:56] <Laser_away> I have no idea why it's there
[06:56] <zul> weird...
[06:57] <Laser_away> I dist-upgraded and it was the default in my grub
[06:57] <Laser_away> what package provides it?
[06:57] <zul> xen-image-2.6.19
[06:58] <Laser_away> why the heck do they have a "Static Configuration" button if it doesn't even work??
[08:15] <ajmitch> good morning all
[08:15] <LaserJock> morning andrew
[08:16] <gpocentek> hello ajmitch, hello LaserJock 
[08:16] <LaserJock> hi gpocentek, congrats on MOTU Councilship
[08:16] <LaserJock> congrats to ajmitch as well
[08:18] <ajmitch> ugh
[08:18] <ajmitch> more slavery 
[08:19] <gnomefreak> they results from the voting is out?
[08:19] <ajmitch> of course
[08:19] <ajmitch> they were out yesterday
[08:19] <gnomefreak> just ajmitch  and gpocentek made it?
[08:21] <ajmitch> no
[08:21] <ajmitch> everyone made it
[08:21] <gnomefreak> ah cool
[08:34] <cbx33> do we have a procedure for remastering a live cd yet?
[08:55] <gpocentek> LaserJock: thanks :)
[08:57] <LaserJock> cbx33: Reconstructor and UCK, what do you mean by "we". The MOTU don't care about live cd remastering ;-)
[08:57] <cbx33> oooooh
[08:59] <ajmitch> we just grovel in the dirt looking after the scraps that others don't want ;)
[09:00] <LaserJock> lol
[09:00] <LaserJock> we just have the real deal
[09:02] <ajmitch> gpocentek: so, thoughts on how you'll begin your reign of terror?
[09:03] <zul> i welcome our new overlords
[09:04] <gpocentek> ajmitch: not really, maybe just write a "you have to do this" script :)
[09:10] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: You are master of the Ubuntu Zopeness... I've added a zope3 Ubuntu task to a bug previously in SchoolTool (bug #80195). It's fixed in Feisty, but not in Edgy. Care to accept the Edgy task?
[09:10] <ajmitch> heh
[09:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80195 in zope3 "Edgy Bug" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80195
[09:10] <ajmitch> depends on what it is
[09:11] <Fujitsu> A two line fix.
[09:11] <Fujitsu> For working with Python 2.4.4.
[09:11] <ajmitch> ooh, SRU
[09:11] <ajmitch> it looks worthwhile, you want to prepare the SRU magic debdiff?
[09:11] <Fujitsu> Sure.
[09:11] <ajmitch> ok, approved bug
[09:11] <ajmitch> once LP responds
[09:12] <Fujitsu> I'll do it some time in the next few hours, I've got to prepare for school.
[09:12] <ajmitch> sure
[09:12] <Fujitsu> So it's not just me thinking LP is horribly slow?
[09:12] <ajmitch> oh no, LP is a dog most of the time :)
[09:12] <ajmitch> a malnourished dog with a broken leg
[09:13] <Burgwork> which has been whipped
[09:20] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: oh it is in main, isn't it?
[09:20] <ajmitch> how annoying
[09:20] <Fujitsu> It is, I discovered to my horror.
[09:21] <LaserJock> schooltool?
[09:21] <ajmitch> it'll need to be demoted for feisty if it stays broken
[09:21] <ajmitch> zope3
[09:21] <ajmitch> which schooltool needs
[09:21] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, SchoolTool is, and it breaks SchoolTool, but zope3 is the package in question.
[09:22] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: I am able to get a SVN checkout working on Feisty fine.
[09:22] <ajmitch> oh good
[09:22] <ajmitch> I was afraid the API would have changed too much
[09:22] <Fujitsu> SVN checkout of zope3, that is.
[09:22] <ajmitch> oh
[09:22] <Fujitsu> Not twisted web2.
[09:22] <Fujitsu> I haven't tried that yet.
[09:23] <Fujitsu> I realise that.
[09:23] <ajmitch> the only way forward might be to cut out patches & graft them onto 3.3.0
[09:23] <ajmitch> talk with doko about it
[09:23] <Fujitsu> Will do. I want Zope working :)
[09:24] <ajmitch> I mainly use 2.9 though
[09:24] <ajmitch> plone don't work with 2.10 yet :)
[09:24] <doko> ajmitch: 3.0alpha2 should ...
[09:25] <ajmitch> sure, but I won't want to run an alpha on a production site just yet
[09:36] <LaserJock> hmm, so why don't we have a "Welcome MC" email to -motu ?
[09:37] <ajmitch> LaserJock: because there's no need
[09:42] <LaserJock> ajmitch: why not? we've waited for a long time
[09:44] <ajmitch> email the list if you think it's important :)
[09:45] <LaserJock> I was looking for something more official, but maybe
[09:45] <ajmitch> dholbach may mail the list once it's all sorted out
[09:45] <LaserJock> maybe I'll just blog it ;-)
[09:46] <LaserJock> I still haven't finished my blog from yesterday
[09:46] <ajmitch> haha
[09:47] <zul> ajmitch: dholbach maybe on holiday as well
[09:48] <ajmitch> hm, he said he'd be off for the weekend
[09:48] <ajmitch> I didn't think he'd leave already
[10:43] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[10:44] <bddebian> Hello TheMuso
[10:44] <TheMuso> I almost forgot. Hey MOTU hopefuls.
[10:47] <pochu> hey TheMuso :)
[10:47] <pochu> TheMuso: can you upload to universe, now that it's frozen (I think)
[10:47] <TheMuso> pochu: It depends on what there is to upload.
[10:48] <pochu> TheMuso: bug 84264 (they are 2 bugs)
[10:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84264 in ltris "some games do not install gnome menu items: lmarbles, ltris, pingus" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84264
[11:00] <jharr> pbuilder build *.dsc should spit out some .debs right?
[11:00] <jharr> err "a .deb"
[11:00] <LaserJock> yep
[11:02] <jharr> pbuilder seems to be running fine, however I get no package back when I run it
[11:03] <ajmitch> jharr: it sticks it in the results dir
[11:03] <ajmitch> by default, /var/cache/pbuilder/result, I think
[11:04] <jharr> ahh
[11:04] <pochu> TheMuso: can you upload that?
[11:04] <jharr> Maybe i was using a different tool when I got the .deb in $PWD.
[11:05] <ajmitch> maybe straight debuild
[11:09] <TheMuso> pochu: Sorry mate, I'm currently busy with more important things for me atm.
[11:09] <pochu> TheMuso: np :) just if you have time to review it, I would appreciate it, but do the more important things first ;)
[11:10] <shawarma> pochu: I don't know if anyone told you yet, but you should rather subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors rather than -contributors.
[11:11] <shawarma> pochu: I already did it for you for this bug. :-)
[11:11] <shawarma> pochu: And sorry, I don't have the time to upload it for you either. 
[11:15] <shawarma> pochu: -contributors is everyone who can upload to REVU. I'm guessing most of them won't care much about this bug. :-)
[11:16] <pochu> shawarma: oh, thanks a lot!
[11:16] <pochu> I'll remember that :)
[11:16] <Marsmensch> when will herd4 be released? 
[11:16] <pochu> Marsmensch: tonight, I think
[11:16] <pochu> or tomorrow morning
[11:16] <Marsmensch> so i have to wait another day ...
[11:16] <Marsmensch> :-(
[11:17] <LaserJock> Marsmensch: what do you want it for?
[11:17] <shawarma> pochu: no problem.
[11:18] <Marsmensch> LaserJock: i wanted to reinstall my laptop and thought i could test feisty
[11:19] <LaserJock> Marsmensch: well, you *could* get the latest daily if you wanted
[11:20] <Marsmensch> hmmm, yeah, but i think i will wait another day ... i also need some time to backup the old files
[11:31] <Adri2000> pochu: I'll look at your debdiffs tomorrow (UTC afternoon) if no one does it until then
[11:32] <pochu> Adri2000: thanks :)
[11:42] <crimsun> pochu: uploaded.
[11:43] <Adri2000> pochu: ^ ;)
[12:02] <keescook> crimsun: you're too fast!  I was just looking at that, and suddenly everything was uploaded.  :)
[12:04] <pochu> crimsun: thanks!