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| Tonio_ | imbrandon: ping ? | 01:31 |
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| imbrandon | Tonio_, pong | 01:32 |
| imbrandon | i'm headed to sleep in about 5 minutes hehe | 01:32 |
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| Tonio_ | hey Hobbsee ;) | 01:33 |
| Hobbsee | hey Tonio_ :) | 01:33 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: so i shouldnt bug you at the moment? :P | 01:34 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 01:34 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, bug me in a few hours | 01:34 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: :) | 01:35 |
| kwwii | howdy all | 01:36 |
| Hobbsee | hey kwwii :) | 01:36 |
| kwwii | hi imbrandon, Hobbsee | 01:36 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: how's the feisty artwork going? | 01:36 |
| kwwii | Hobbsee: I am a busy bee | 01:37 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: ahhh, okay | 01:37 |
| jjesse | evening :) | 01:37 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: i'd suspected as much, when i'd heard none of it | 01:37 |
| Hobbsee | hey jjesse! | 01:37 |
| kwwii | lol | 01:37 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: are you using irc at work, btw? | 01:37 |
| kwwii | Hobbsee: half way done with Ubuntu | 01:37 |
| jjesse | Hobbsee: nope, can't connect @ the client i'm working at | 01:37 |
| jjesse | though that job is done next week | 01:38 |
| jjesse | could an evening be any better, working on kubuntu, listening to the complete soundtrack to les miserables and drinking good wine? | 01:39 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: nice :) | 01:39 |
| imbrandon | heya kwwii | 01:40 |
| imbrandon | ok i' | 01:41 |
| jjesse | hello imbrandon | 01:41 |
| imbrandon | m off for a few hours for some sleep | 01:41 |
| imbrandon | heya jjesse | 01:41 |
| jjesse | night then :) | 01:41 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, btw stick that amarok fix on aurora and i'll grab it from your home dir tonight when i goto work | 01:48 |
| imbrandon | if you want | 01:48 |
| imbrandon | ( i seen your email ) | 01:48 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: i think Tonio_'s uploading it - there were more, and i didnt build it on aurora anyway. debdiff is on buntudot | 01:49 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: will upload it yes, once the archives are opened | 01:50 |
| imbrandon | hrm ok let me know when you do i would like to tweak a few more things too on it before final | 01:51 |
| imbrandon | anyhow i'm off to sleep | 01:51 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: just a question, what is a "billing address" | 01:52 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: should contain your datas right ? | 01:52 |
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| imbrandon | no | 01:52 |
| imbrandon | yours, where ever the cc is registered to | 01:52 |
| imbrandon | or it wont go through | 01:53 |
| jjesse | usually only have to fill it ouf that is different then the mailing addres | 01:53 |
| imbrandon | jjesse, it is | 01:53 |
| jjesse | the form should display that | 01:53 |
| === jjesse does a lot of registering for hotels and flights online | ||
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: okay great :) | 01:54 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: then I can't order that machine :) | 01:54 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: billing infos has to be in the us.... :) | 01:54 |
| jjesse | d'oh | 01:54 |
| imbrandon | ahh not good | 01:54 |
| imbrandon | we'll figure something out tomarrow | 01:55 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: no need, I'l buy another one, too complicated.... | 01:55 |
| imbrandon | im might be able to buy it then have you send me the money | 01:55 |
| imbrandon | hahah ok | 01:55 |
| imbrandon | was worth a try | 01:55 |
| imbrandon | ok SLEEP !! | 01:55 |
| Tonio_ | good night :) | 01:55 |
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| jjesse | does anyone have screenshots of the upgrade process for edgy -> feisty? | 02:32 |
| jjesse | nixternal: ping... i'm trying to figure out how/where to tie in your wireless section ot the official ubuntu book | 02:33 |
| nixternal | pongerz | 02:33 |
| jjesse | nixternal: exactly how to work it in, i don't quite see yet | 02:33 |
| nixternal | right around the networking/internet section, or somewhere in the hardware section I would guess | 02:34 |
| jjesse | nixternal: i would like to have under system settings -> network and connectivity as i used to mention wireless | 02:34 |
| jjesse | nixternal: i don't have a real "hardware" section | 02:34 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 02:34 |
| nixternal | it could work under there under a subheading for devices or something? | 02:35 |
| jjesse | maybe i'll do something like Wireless networking is even furthered improved in Kubuntu 7.04 as will be discuessed later, and create a whole new sub section | 02:35 |
| jjesse | ooo time for coffee and the office :) :) | 02:35 |
| nixternal | haha | 02:36 |
| nixternal | holy cow, it is | 02:36 |
| jjesse | i love that show | 02:36 |
| nixternal | My Name is Earl! | 02:36 |
| nixternal | :) | 02:36 |
| jjesse | my old co-worker looks/acts exactly like jim from the office | 02:36 |
| === jjesse loves his dvr | ||
| nixternal | hahahaha | 02:36 |
| jjesse | seriously some chick when he was on vacation in florida said "are you jim from the office?" | 02:37 |
| jjesse | he laughed | 02:37 |
| nixternal | rofl | 02:38 |
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| hak0 | hi | 02:47 |
| Riddell | jjesse: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/ | 02:48 |
| hak0 | i'm trying to rebuild my kubuntu for my i686 , and i was thinking on using apt-build , any sugestions ? | 02:48 |
| Riddell | adept[1-7] .png | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | morning Riddell | 02:51 |
| kwwii | Riddell: isn't that using the wrong style? | 02:53 |
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| jjesse | am i the only one w/ a blank system | 03:21 |
| jjesse | sorry am i the only one w/ a blank system settings in feisty? | 03:21 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: i cant reproduce, but i've seen bug reports saying that | 03:23 |
| jjesse | i wonder if its because its a herd 3 install? | 03:23 |
| jjesse | but its completely up-to-date | 03:23 |
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| Hobbsee | oh ,there it is | 06:20 |
| Jucato | maybe it wasn't pointy enough to be easily seen... | 06:22 |
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| dinosaur-rus | hi | 07:05 |
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| dinosaur-rus | when nvidia-glx package will be updated for 2.6.20-8 kernel? | 08:09 |
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| GNUro | good morning! | 11:32 |
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| _StefanS_ | hi there | 11:34 |
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| === Hobbsee waves | ||
| === Jucato surfs and drowns | ||
| Hobbsee | heh | 01:15 |
| === Hobbsee rescues Jucato | ||
| Jucato | heh thanks :) | 01:15 |
| Jucato | so tomorrow will be universe FF right? no more new packages/features? | 01:16 |
| Hobbsee | i dunno | 01:17 |
| Hobbsee | !schedule | 01:17 |
| ubotu | Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases | 01:17 |
| Jucato | heh.. !schedule doesn't have the link to the Feisty schedule anymore | 01:18 |
| Jucato | !feisty | 01:18 |
| ubotu | The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1 | 01:18 |
| Tm_T | Jucato: = | 01:18 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: that's development week 17. try feb 22 | 01:18 |
| Jucato | oh lol! | 01:19 |
| Jucato | I keep on misreading those.... | 01:19 |
| === Jucato has yet successfuly made a fool of himself again... | ||
| === Jucato > /dev/null | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 01:21 |
| Hobbsee | dont worry | 01:21 |
| Tonio_ | hi ;) | 01:22 |
| === Tonio_ is in a good mood today..... sorry for yesterday, I was horrible | ||
| Hobbsee | heya Tonio_!!! | 01:23 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt remember Tonio_ being horrible yesterday | ||
| === Hobbsee may not have been online and watching yesterday though. | ||
| Jucato | I think you weren't around anymore by that time Hobbsee | 01:23 |
| Jucato | hi Tonio_! glad to see things better for you now :D | 01:23 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: ahh | 01:23 |
| Jucato | did you get any answer to your "questions", btw? | 01:24 |
| Tonio_ | well I still beleive we are taking bad decisions, but I shouldn't have flamme the channel like this.... | 01:24 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: no that'll be debatted next meeting, I assume | 01:24 |
| === Hobbsee goes to look up what it was | ||
| === Jucato wonders when that will be... | ||
| Tonio_ | Jucato: no I'm in a good mood today simply because I've just bought a new laptop :) | 01:24 |
| === Jucato had the fire extinguisher ready last night anyway :D | ||
| Hobbsee | woo! | 01:24 |
| Tonio_ | my yesterday personnal issues are still there | 01:25 |
| Jucato | woot woot! | 01:25 |
| Tonio_ | but those are sweeter with a new computer :) | 01:25 |
| Jucato | rawr!! everybody's getting new stuff except me! | 01:25 |
| Jucato | new computers, new babies.. | 01:25 |
| Jucato | :( | 01:25 |
| Tonio_ | I bought a macbook pro | 01:25 |
| Tonio_ | I wanted a thinkpad, but the US price is 1700$ | 01:25 |
| === Hobbsee wants a new USB disk | ||
| Jucato | whoa? just when Ubuntu's going to drop "official" PPC support? | 01:26 |
| Tonio_ | the price for the same machine in france is : 4000 | 01:26 |
| Jucato | oh bah.. stupid me | 01:26 |
| Tonio_ | that's a joke ! | 01:26 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: ouch. | 01:26 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 01:26 |
| Jucato | O.O | 01:26 |
| Tonio_ | as a friend of mine said : "open your ass, IBM is coming..." | 01:26 |
| Tonio_ | sorry for this..... | 01:26 |
| Jucato | lol | 01:26 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: My friend ordered IBM laptop from Germany, here it's over 1100 and he paid less than 500 | 01:27 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: how so ? | 01:27 |
| Tm_T | Or was it HP, can't remember. | 01:27 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: No idea, some stuff just cost more here. (small markets) | 01:28 |
| Tonio_ | well hp is more expensive in europe, but the difference isn't that ridiculous.... | 01:28 |
| Tm_T | One city might have more people than whole Finland. =) | 01:28 |
| Tonio_ | the point is that for a very good machine, apple is probably the less expensive | 01:28 |
| Hobbsee | oh. found Tonio_ ranting :) | 01:28 |
| Tonio_ | honnestly, compare to even dell, apple is cheeper..... | 01:29 |
| Tonio_ | for the same config of course | 01:29 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: we dont ship thunderbird for linux on kubuntu, btw. | 01:31 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: no but we ship the windows version | 01:31 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: we do, but for win32 iirc | 01:31 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: indeed. | 01:31 |
| === Hobbsee has used it once...maybe twice... | ||
| Tonio_ | the point that drives me nuts is okay I can understand for thunderbird and firefox | 01:32 |
| Hobbsee | then updated, as the apps has been out of date | 01:32 |
| Tonio_ | but why are we loosing 4 megs for speedcrunch ? | 01:32 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: note the "for linux" in there :) | 01:32 |
| Tonio_ | and kdepim is UNUSABLE on windows | 01:32 |
| Tonio_ | crashes every 3 seconds | 01:32 |
| Hobbsee | nice! | 01:32 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: see? told you I keep on *not* reading things... | 01:32 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: hehe | 01:32 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: and well in my opinion, providing windows apps is nice | 01:32 |
| Tonio_ | BUT has to stand as an option | 01:33 |
| === Jucato gasps at speedcrunch... | ||
| Hobbsee | Jucato: i keep on not seeing things. the boss told me about where some specific stuff was. i listened, forgot, then couldnt find them anywhere. | 01:33 |
| Tonio_ | as we are running out of space | 01:33 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: what about it? | 01:33 |
| Tonio_ | I can't understand that we removed digikam from the cd instead of windows apps | 01:33 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: true. where's the output of what's on the seeds, and is taking up the space? | 01:33 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: er.. I meant "speedcurnch for windows" | 01:33 |
| Tonio_ | I went mad when I so this.... | 01:33 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: ah, yes | 01:33 |
| Tonio_ | that's ridiculous | 01:33 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: the opencd is still current, istn it? | 01:33 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: windows apps are 60MB, on every cd | 01:34 |
| Hobbsee | yes i realise, i read the backscroll :) | 01:34 |
| Tonio_ | with this we could had digikam, the digikam plugins, twinkle, more languages packs etc...... | 01:34 |
| Hobbsee | how big's digikam + related langpacks? | 01:34 |
| Tonio_ | we are castrating kubuntu to ship windows apps that "almost" nobody will ever use | 01:34 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: digikam is 4MB | 01:34 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: http://www.theopencd.org/news/2006/ocd40 | 01:34 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I know....... | 01:35 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: it still seems current. interesting @ their comments, though | 01:35 |
| Tonio_ | we are just castrating kubuntu to do a "small" opencd equivalent, not as good though | 01:35 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: is it feasible that we could promote opencd on kubuntu.org? | 01:35 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: sebas said the benefit would be better to remove windows apps and include a kubuntu description page with installation instructions for windows users | 01:36 |
| Tonio_ | I +100000000 this | 01:36 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: yes. i saw :) | 01:36 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: answer the question :) | 01:36 |
| === Hobbsee agrees with you - no point, preaching to the converted | ||
| Tonio_ | well I don't blame the windows apps, I just want that to be optionnal | 01:36 |
| Tonio_ | damn digikam is a pure killer app, we HAVE to have it ! | 01:37 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: you havent answered my question yet. | 01:37 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: you know that the amd64 cd has lots of problems, missing langs etc.... ? | 01:37 |
| Tonio_ | it also has the windows apps | 01:37 |
| Hobbsee | yes. seeing your comments | 01:37 |
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| Tonio_ | which is ? | 01:37 |
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| Hobbsee | [23:35] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: is it feasible that we could promote opencd on kubuntu.org? | 01:37 |
| Hobbsee | *grin* | 01:38 |
| Tonio_ | hu ? I've been kicked ? | 01:38 |
| Hobbsee | was right above "sebas said" | 01:38 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: yes, to get my point across :) | 01:38 |
| Hobbsee | [23:37] <-- Tonio_ has left this channel (requested by Hobbsee: " now come on, answer my question mate!"). | 01:38 |
| Hobbsee | btw, it was a remove. </pedant> | 01:38 |
| Tonio_ | haha :) | 01:38 |
| Tonio_ | well I don't know that canonical marketing | 01:38 |
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| Tonio_ | and riddell is offline since yesterday so I don't have his opinion on this | 01:38 |
| Tonio_ | but yes I think we should promote the opencd that does a very good job, instead of duplicating with something not as good that handicaps kubuntu development | 01:39 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: what i'm thinking - can we promote opencd on kubuntu.org - say "if you want to try out a whole heap of linux apps, including x,y,z, that are in our default install, then see the open cd at... | 01:39 |
| Tonio_ | that's my opinion | 01:39 |
| Hobbsee | at which point we coudl easily remove the windows apps. | 01:39 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: exactly, that could feet on the kubuntu presentation page | 01:40 |
| Riddell | my opinion is that we give out hundreds of thousands of CDs, a majority of which will be to people who won't change to kubuntu but will be interested if they can start to use Free windows software | 01:40 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: btw we will have to remove windows apps for a very simple reason : | 01:40 |
| Tonio_ | feisty+1 will need kdelibs 4.0 AND kdelibs 3.5 | 01:40 |
| Tonio_ | so....... let's just anticipate this | 01:40 |
| Hobbsee | ooh, Riddell is here :) | 01:41 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: true. but we're also giving out a live cd. | 01:41 |
| === Riddell is always here | ||
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ahhhh ;) | 01:41 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: which we didnt used to | 01:41 |
| Hobbsee | not when you're asleep, you're not | 01:41 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 01:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yeah I was in a terrible mood yesterday, sorry for this.... personnal problems didn't help | 01:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I perfectly agree with you on that point | 01:42 |
| Tonio_ | but the first thing is : which apps should we provide ? | 01:42 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: hope you figure the personal the stuff out | 01:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kdepim is unusable on windows, pre-alpha state, craches all the time | 01:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: speedcrunch is useless for 99% of the people | 01:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I follow you for firefox and thunderbird | 01:43 |
| === Hobbsee notes that giving out the opencd in addition to kubuntu would be a smart move, but would require more cost | ||
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and the main thing is that handicaps current kubuntu development.... | 01:43 |
| === Tonio_ hopes Riddell isn't angry after him.... | ||
| Hobbsee | wow, so many apps on that opencd | 01:45 |
| Riddell | can you imagine me angry? | 01:45 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: yes. | 01:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes but I've been wrong and agressive yesterday :) | 01:46 |
| Riddell | if you saw the jumper I'm wearing you'd understand I could never be angry | 01:46 |
| === Jucato nods :D | ||
| Tonio_ | Riddell: lol | 01:46 |
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| Jucato | O.O | 01:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I perfectly understand your opinion | 01:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but don't you think it's a bit illogic to provide speedcrunch or kdepim (crappy) for windows and remove digikam, one of the best kde app ever ? | 01:47 |
| Tonio_ | and globally make the windows content prior to the linux one as we favor keeping windows things and "castrate" kubuntu ? | 01:47 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: why, what's the jumper you're wearing? :) | 01:48 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: big and fluffy knitted jumper | 01:48 |
| === Jucato is heavily pro-KDE, but if the korganizer/kabc for win32 is crappy and Thunderbird is already there... (not to mention it might give KDE a bad name...) | ||
| Jucato | pic! pic!! :) | 01:48 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ahh | 01:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: with 60MB more, we could do so much for a perfect desktop out of the box........ | 01:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: digikam + its plugins, a voip software, more languages etc........ | 01:49 |
| Tonio_ | we also are diverging from debian as we split several packages to remove the docs..... a digikam doc would also be nice etc..... | 01:50 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: applications are always a luxury on a 1 CD OS | 01:50 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: sure ! but when it is possible to have them, but we don't for something that cannot in any case be considered the priority for the global project.... | 01:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: this is something that is out of my logic ;) | 01:51 |
| === sebas is far from convinced that shipping Windows applications will gain Kubuntu one more user. | ||
| Tonio_ | and even if we want to absolutly ship some apps, that I can understand, we should not ship super unstable things like kdepim | 01:52 |
| sebas | Especially, but not exclusively if it's crappy apps. | 01:52 |
| Tonio_ | or useless things like speedcrunch, which I doubt lots of people are interested in | 01:52 |
| Tonio_ | I don't know how is kexi on windows but I doubt it is really usable.... | 01:52 |
| Tonio_ | of course firefox and thunderbird are really mature, no problem against that | 01:53 |
| fdoving | my mom didn't like speedcrunch, even on linux, i had to install kcalc. :) | 01:53 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: did you ever try kdepim on windows ? I did | 01:53 |
| Tonio_ | if you want people to be conviced that free softwares are crappy and buggy things, that's what to do, honnestly... | 01:54 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: that's another debate hehe :) | 01:54 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: already discussed :) | 01:54 |
| Tonio_ | but yes I doubt lots of people will say "wow, super calculator on that cd, let's install it !" | 01:55 |
| Tonio_ | firefox or thinderbird, okay, even gimp eventually ! | 01:55 |
| Tonio_ | gimp is a very good and mature app for windows that's deserves promotion ! but speedcrunch.... | 01:55 |
| === Jucato doesn't use speedcrunch either... katapult is faster for simple stuff.... | ||
| Tonio_ | I think we can make a compromise, ship the best apps and free some space with useless or crappy stuff | 01:56 |
| === fdoving use speedcrunch | ||
| Tonio_ | kdepim should be removed, as it deserves free software (on windows) beeing pre-alpha state | 01:56 |
| Tonio_ | and of course the windows port was just a test, it is unmainted.... | 01:57 |
| fdoving | Tonio_: i agree, ship few stable and good apps. (if any at all) | 01:57 |
| fdoving | for windows, that is. | 01:57 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: well I think we should remove all of them, but I'm for the compromise | 01:57 |
| Tonio_ | I think a good compromise can be done | 01:57 |
| fdoving | i'm pro removing everything but firefox. with firefox one can safely download thunderbird. | 01:58 |
| fdoving | and you can't use any of them without a internet connection anyway. | 01:58 |
| fdoving | s/use/make use of/ | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: is any change considered impossible or can we consider a debate next meeting ? | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | not obviously to remove all, but eventually to find a good compromise that will avoid removing killer apps on the kubuntu side ? | 01:59 |
| Hobbsee | yay, amarok accepted :) | 02:00 |
| Tonio_ | I'll test kexi on windows.... 16MB lost because of this, so I really hope that stable and usable :) | 02:00 |
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| Tonio_ | sebas: can someone from koffice team give his opinion on that point ?that'd be interesting :) | 02:01 |
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| Tonio_ | brb in 2 hours, have to go... ;) | 02:04 |
| fdoving | see you. | 02:07 |
| Tonio_ | ho Riddell, just before leaving, to me, the "luxury" on a one cd linux install is the windows apps, not the linux one ;) | 02:08 |
| Tonio_ | I wouldn't say that for a dvd, of course.... | 02:09 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: it's too late to remove winfoss for feisty, that would need to be done before feature freeze | 02:09 |
| Riddell | but might be worth asking heno if he'd remove some stuff | 02:10 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: sure this doesnt count as a "major, act of god" thing? :P | 02:11 |
| Hobbsee | to violate the freeze? | 02:11 |
| Riddell | can't see how god got into it | 02:12 |
| Hobbsee | i know :P | 02:12 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: the question is, even though we're late, do we ignore the chance of feisty becoming a better release, just due to a freeze? this *only* affects kubuntu people, not the whole distro | 02:14 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: well I understand that's a matter of spec, but we should try to focus on the good apps... | 02:16 |
| Tonio_ | kdepim is just lost of space, as that cannot be really used on windows | 02:16 |
| === Hobbsee is always surprised, looking back, just how much better each release of kubuntu was over hte last one | ||
| Tonio_ | and I beleive kexi is about the same state.... but It'll give a try | 02:17 |
| Jucato | hm... so you mean, we shipped digikam in Edgy, but won't be shipping it in feisty? | 02:17 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: that's the risk yes.... the first big kubuntu regression | 02:17 |
| raphink | I like the idea to promote new apps and new projects | 02:18 |
| raphink | but not to the cost of our primary goal, which is to ship a Linux OS | 02:18 |
| gnomefreak | the herd4 iso site for kubuntu https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Herd4 needs to be fixed? it says herd4 nhas not been released but it has now. | 02:32 |
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| Riddell | gnomefreak: that's ubuntu :) | 02:37 |
| gnomefreak | oops | 02:37 |
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| nixternal | moin!! | 02:58 |
| raphink | hi nixternal | 02:58 |
| raphink | :) | 02:58 |
| nixternal | Riddell: are you working on a release notes for the website? if now I can do it up quick and give you a patch | 02:59 |
| nixternal | hiya raphink | 02:59 |
| Riddell | nixternal: go ahead | 03:00 |
| Riddell | although it's just a patch to kubuntu.rss | 03:00 |
| nixternal | gotcha | 03:01 |
| Riddell | nixternal: actually kubuntu.rss is out of date in the bzr archive so you can't do that | 03:01 |
| nixternal | I just noticed that | 03:03 |
| nixternal | OK, I thought I was going nuts | 03:03 |
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| Riddell | kubuntu.org updated | 03:05 |
| nixternal | woohoo! | 03:05 |
| Riddell | thanks for another great herd page nixternal | 03:06 |
| === Jucato claps | ||
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| nixternal | ahh Riddell, actually everyone tossed in this go round with great stuff | 03:11 |
| yuriy_ | hello all from ubucon | 03:11 |
| nixternal | thanks to everyone for the help :) | 03:11 |
| Riddell | yuriy_: ooh? | 03:12 |
| Riddell | yuriy_: in new york? | 03:13 |
| yuriy_ | yes, at google offices | 03:13 |
| Riddell | yuriy_: many people there? | 03:13 |
| yuriy_ | currently awaiting bfeakfast | 03:13 |
| yuriy_ | 40ish so far | 03:13 |
| Riddell | yuriy_: any Kubuntu types? | 03:14 |
| yuriy_ | someone next to me, looks like edgy | 03:14 |
| yuriy_ | some macs though, thought that was strange. | 03:14 |
| Riddell | the weak willed | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | or the "soon to be enlightened" | 03:15 |
| yuriy_ | the kubuntu guy next to me is actually a debian dev | 03:18 |
| Riddell | yuriy_: oh? what's his name? | 03:19 |
| yuriy_ | Vyas | 03:19 |
| Riddell | not a KDE packager then | 03:19 |
| yuriy_ | (last name^) | 03:20 |
| Riddell | hmm, aspell and ttf fonts, poor chap | 03:21 |
| fdoving | .. and dovecot :) | 03:22 |
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| dinosaur-rus | hi | 03:52 |
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| dinosaur-rus | !schedule | 03:57 |
| ubotu | Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases | 03:57 |
| dinosaur-rus | !nvidia-glx | 03:57 |
| ubotu | nvidia-glx: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1.0.8776+2.6.17.7-11.1 (edgy), package size 3970 kB, installed size 12312 kB | 03:57 |
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| Jucato | boo bddebian | 03:58 |
| bddebian | ahhh. :-) Hi Jucato | 03:59 |
| dinosaur-rus | when nvidia-glx will be updated for 2.6.20-8 kernel? | 03:59 |
| Jucato | dinosaur-rus: try #ubuntu+1 | 03:59 |
| yuriy_ | dinosaur-rus: i'm running nvidia on 2.6.20-8 right now... | 03:59 |
| nixternal | oob naibeddb | 03:59 |
| dinosaur-rus | yoriy_: the latest nvidia-glx package available is for 2.6.20-6 kernel... :/ | 04:00 |
| dinosaur-rus | yuriy_ | 04:01 |
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| === dinosaur-rus kicks his ass :)) | ||
| dinosaur-rus | yuriy_: don't worry, that was my bad :) | 04:11 |
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| Tonio_ | re | 04:29 |
| Tonio_ | pfffffffffff, papers, papers, papers, french administrations are a pain ! | 04:29 |
| Riddell | go on strike | 04:30 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: haha, I don't have a job, remember ! | 04:37 |
| Riddell | perfect, you're already on strike | 04:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hehe | 04:43 |
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| nixternal | is NdisWrapper on the Live and Alternate CDs? | 05:11 |
| nixternal | !info ndiswrapper | 05:11 |
| ubotu | Package ndiswrapper does not exist in edgy, edgy-seveas | 05:11 |
| nixternal | !info ndiswrapper-common | 05:12 |
| ubotu | ndiswrapper-common: Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper. In component main, is optional. Version 1.18-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 13 kB, installed size 80 kB | 05:12 |
| nixternal | thanks ubotu | 05:12 |
| nixternal | wth did I just say thanks to a stinkin' bot ;p | 05:12 |
| Jucato | :D | 05:13 |
| nixternal | interesting | 05:14 |
| nixternal | I originally setup my wifi card in edgy with ndiswrapper | 05:14 |
| nixternal | now, if I do apt-get remove ndis and hit tab, it doesn't show it | 05:15 |
| Jucato | O.o | 05:15 |
| nixternal | and... | 05:15 |
| nixternal | now with Feisty, my wifi card info is WAY different | 05:15 |
| nixternal | before it showed up as a Broadcom 4311 Unknown Device or something similar | 05:16 |
| nixternal | and now it says... | 05:16 |
| nixternal | 06:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01) | 05:16 |
| nixternal | which is definitely incorrect, as this is a Compaq/HP laptop :) | 05:17 |
| Jucato | heh | 05:17 |
| nixternal | and since HP and Dell HATE each other, I highly doubt they are interchanging devices | 05:17 |
| Jucato | lol | 05:17 |
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| nixternal | I need to backup my ~/ and reinstall with Feisty fresh. I am interested in seeing if ... | 05:18 |
| nixternal | wth..I can just boot from a LiveCD :) | 05:18 |
| Riddell | hi Zerlinna | 05:22 |
| Zerlinna | hi Riddell | 05:22 |
| Riddell | Zerlinna: neversfelde said the services that had been shut off were run by \sh_away not amu | 05:22 |
| Zerlinna | Riddell: for the planet and the jabber it's true (sorry about that!), the archive has been disabled by amu afaik | 05:23 |
| Riddell | Zerlinna: archive of what? | 05:23 |
| Zerlinna | Riddell: packages | 05:24 |
| Riddell | oh | 05:24 |
| Zerlinna | Riddell: he also deleted the aliases (name@kubuntu.de) without telling anybody | 05:24 |
| Riddell | hum | 05:24 |
| Zerlinna | Riddell: well, if you want we can just see and wait what / if will happen | 05:25 |
| Riddell | I did e-mail amu, got no reply yet | 05:27 |
| Zerlinna | Riddell: in his last mail (two weeks ago) he told me that he's no longer interested in linux | 05:29 |
| Zerlinna | and the last news from his page was one month ago.. also he removed us from joomla adminstration, so except him (and maybe sh) nobody can contribute to the site | 05:32 |
| neversfelde | hello | 05:32 |
| Zerlinna | hi neversfelde :) | 05:33 |
| neversfelde | nixternal: I read about your wlan card. I have the same chipset also in an HP Notebook. The last test with Herd 3 showed me no difference to edgy | 05:33 |
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| nixternal | neversfelde: ya, since I changed to Feisty the card has reported differently than Edgy. | 05:44 |
| neversfelde | nixternal: I'm going to test ist this weekend. Hopefully there is no change to Dell *g* | 05:45 |
| nixternal | I haven't even checked google for an answer, but I am sure you still have to use NdisWrapper for it to work | 05:45 |
| neversfelde | mhh. I hoped feisty would solve the problem with the fwcutter. | 05:47 |
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| nixternal | well, if you check bcm43xx.berlios.de it will pretty much tell you, there is only support for 3 base chipsets | 05:52 |
| nixternal | I have been following the forum on this chipset and it requires way to much work to even document, and has only worked once or twice and hten just crashes out | 05:52 |
| neversfelde | I tested several howtos, but now I'm using ndiswrapper too, although some people told, that they get it working with the fwcutter | 05:54 |
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| _Sime | Riddell: FYI, I'm sitting on a few bug fixes for the media stuff. I want to patchify, test them and send them off this weekend. | 06:35 |
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| Riddell | _Sime: great | 06:48 |
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| Lure | Riddell: regarding SRU's (bug 75017) - did anybody notify Simon about verification needed? | 07:13 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 75017 in kubuntu-default-settings "SRU: remove /.hidden file " [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75017 | 07:13 |
| Lure | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates looks to be very strict on verification part | 07:13 |
| Lure | Riddell: we have several users confirming it, but we need Simon to ACK it | 07:13 |
| Riddell | Lure: not that I now of, give him a ping (sfllaw) and ask | 07:14 |
| Lure | Riddell: I think there is another kubuntu sru by Tonio_ (do not recall bug ID though) | 07:15 |
| Riddell | there was https://launchpad.net/bugs/69479 | 07:17 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 69479 in katapult "SRU: katapult" [Undecided,Needs info] | 07:17 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: digikam ? I've stoped looking at it..... | 07:17 |
| Tonio_ | I'm finished with SRUs | 07:18 |
| Lure | Tonio_: ;-) | 07:18 |
| Tonio_ | I prefer to spend 5 minutes fixing a bug on feisty than 2 month for edgy... | 07:18 |
| Lure | and Riddell, I am all with Tonio_ to drop some winfoss in favor of digikam on CD! | 07:18 |
| === Tonio_ hugs Lure | ||
| Lure | Riddell: kdepim is no brainer - it just is not good enough, speedcrunch also has limited use for windows users | 07:19 |
| === Lure hugs Tonio_ back | ||
| Tonio_ | Lure: I will test kexi to check if it is really usable.... which I doubrt | 07:19 |
| Tonio_ | kde3 apps on windows are more "tests" than really published apps | 07:20 |
| Lure | Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade <- is this final and you want me to test or should I wait for -proposed/SRU? | 07:20 |
| Lure | Riddell: but I can test this only once ;-) | 07:20 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: wow the katapult SRU is longer than mine ;) | 07:24 |
| Tonio_ | 3 1/2 month :) | 07:24 |
| Tonio_ | with a bit of chance it'll be uploaded just after feisty is released......... | 07:24 |
| fdoving | if that's the good old katapult sru it's been a mess since the start. | 07:26 |
| Riddell | Lure: please test | 07:27 |
| Riddell | Lure: it should just work now, straight from adept, no need to use kdepyuic | 07:27 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: my kdebase upload failed.... I'll look at it, strange since it worked locally... | 07:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: will be fixed toonight | 07:58 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay kdebase build issue is due to kdelibs, I have to wait for it to be published... | 08:23 |
| Riddell | it should have a build-dep | 08:24 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: not a build dep, but a function has been changed to have one more arg | 08:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: so the .h file isn't correct | 08:46 |
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| Riddell | err, changed by who? | 08:50 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: the patch for the effect touches both kdelibs and kdebase | 09:30 |
| Tonio_ | the zoom on execute | 09:30 |
| Tonio_ | so I need kdelibs published with the patch for kdebase to build properly ;) | 09:30 |
| Riddell | so kdebase should have an increased build-dep | 09:31 |
| Tonio_ | increased, yes | 09:31 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well should we version the builddep with 0ubuntu* version ? | 09:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: or simply wait for kdelibs to be build and upload , ;) | 09:32 |
| gnomefreak | nixternal: When you get a minute can you ping me. | 09:34 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: doesn't make much difference, but the best way would have been to have the build-dep on first upload | 09:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, I forgot that requirement, sorry ;) | 09:34 |
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| _StefanS_ | evenings :) | 10:21 |
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| Lure | Riddell: any plans to fix font issue in Feisty? I am on edgy now and I am suprised that I have completely forgotten how nice fonts looked like in edgy... :-( | 10:45 |
| Lure | Riddell: currentyl updating to latest edgy, then I will do dist-upgrade | 10:46 |
| Riddell | Lure: it's not top of my list, but it would be nice | 10:46 |
| Riddell | Lure: going to test the new dist-upgrade tool? | 10:47 |
| Lure | Riddell: yes - first update edgy, then upgrade | 10:47 |
| Lure | Riddell: I have kde355 and some other repo's (seveas, allee) | 10:47 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure: I checked a bit but that looks complicated... | 10:49 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: we can switch to dejavu but that'll create other problems with certain languages | 10:49 |
| Tonio_ | and sans serif is broken, but I couldn't find any reference to that bug anywhere... | 10:49 |
| Lure | Tonio_: it is really strange - I have Sans Serif in edgy and it is great, same font on Feisty looks fat and blurry | 10:50 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes it's completly broken | 10:50 |
| Lure | Riddell: so no editing of source required (as listed on KubuntuDistUpgrade)? | 10:51 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: but that's not kubuntu specific | 10:51 |
| Riddell | tried the edgy fontconfig on feisty? | 10:51 |
| Riddell | Lure: no, should just work | 10:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes.... no change | 10:51 |
| Riddell | strange | 10:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I know :) | 10:52 |
| Lure | Riddell: I suspect edgy fontconfig would just work (because that upload broke fonts), but I may try this after upgrade. | 10:52 |
| Tonio_ | I don't know who is the fontmaster for ubuntu.... | 10:52 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I tried, it doesn't change.... | 10:52 |
| Tonio_ | sans serif is still crap | 10:52 |
| Lure | Tonio_: that is really strange - I am 100% sure that that specific fontconfig upload broke it for me | 10:53 |
| Lure | btw, is security repo also mirrored (like de., fr.)? | 10:54 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes mee too | 10:54 |
| Tonio_ | the issue appeared after fontconfig upgrade | 10:54 |
| Tonio_ | but I tried edgy fontconfig and that didn't change anything for me | 10:54 |
| Tonio_ | don't ask me why.... | 10:54 |
| === Tonio_ retries to confirm | ||
| Lure | no it is not... :-( | 10:54 |
| === Lure will have to wait a while - security is slow and has to get kdelibs from there | ||
| Riddell | Lure: security isn't mirrored (security needs to get to people fast) | 10:56 |
| Riddell | Lure: and the data centre is having problems | 10:56 |
| Riddell | Lure: but you don't need kdelibs from security, you need it from the dist-upgrade repo on kubuntu.org | 10:56 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: note that the issue can be in a builddep of fontconfig | 10:56 |
| Tonio_ | which would explain update caused the issue and backporting edgy doesn't change anything | 10:57 |
| Tonio_ | 23:00.... I have 4 hours to fix this ! | 10:57 |
| Lure | Riddell: ok, will the do upgrade directly on your repo | 10:58 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure: just build edgy fontconfig, restarting X now | 11:14 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure, Riddellright now issue with edgy package.... | 11:16 |
| Tonio_ | I'll investigate and try to fix | 11:16 |
| Lure | Tonio_: so builddep thing? | 11:16 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: no that's fontconfig..... | 11:17 |
| ryanakca | anybody have a quick and easy task I can do? | 11:17 |
| Tonio_ | I didn't do the test right last time... | 11:17 |
| === ryanakca has half an hour to kill | ||
| Tonio_ | Lure: I'll investigate, test the patches etc.... I'll find !!! | 11:17 |
| === Lure hugs Tonio_ | ||
| Riddell | ryanakca: did you update the install-mp3 script? | 11:21 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: something strange.... | 11:28 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: fix it? Tonio_ stole it from me | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: we have fontconfig 2.4.2 | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | on fontconfig.org : The current development series is working towards version 2.4.1 | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | I'm wondering if 2.4.2 isn't development version in fact... | 11:28 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: upgrade the version I have on my comp... I ran a dist-upgrade last night... | 11:29 |
| === jdong scratches head | ||
| Tonio_ | looks like the big different is the fonts.conf.in file.... | 11:29 |
| jdong | apparently kcontrol set font settings affect gnome-terminal and Firefox under GNOME.... | 11:29 |
| jdong | but not any other app | 11:29 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: anything else? | 11:37 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: I think I found the bug... | 11:38 |
| Tonio_ | <family>sans-serif</family> | 11:38 |
| Tonio_ | <prefer> | 11:38 |
| Tonio_ | <family>Bitstream Vera Sans</family> | 11:38 |
| Tonio_ | +<family>DejaVu Sans</family> | 11:38 |
| Riddell | mmmmmmmmmmm | 11:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: in old version of fontconfig, sans-serif maps to bitstream vera by default and dejavu if this one misses | 11:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's been removed from 2.4.2 | 11:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that means we've always used bitstream vera infact ;) | 11:39 |
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| Tonio_ | hum no it's still there, just the config has been split to several files... | 11:42 |
| hak0 | i all | 11:44 |
| hak0 | can anyone confirm me that xorg dev files to build X exist on the mirrors? i'm in Portugal and apt-buil doens find it on pt mirror, tnkx | 11:45 |
| Riddell | hak0: you would need to tell us the package name | 11:47 |
| hak0 | i tried xorg after doing a dpkg -l | grep xorg that seemed the right package to start building all of X packages , sudo apt-build build-source xorg , i'm using 6.10 | 11:49 |
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| hak0 | and it failled to find the package , saying unable to chdir to $xorgversion, because it simply didnt found it on the mirror i think | 11:50 |
| hak0 | Riddell: so the question is , if you are using apt-build , can u reproduce my error or try to correct me, please | 11:51 |
| hak0 | Riddell:: ai have built more packages , but so far xorg and kdebase (this one from anothr unofficial repository) have failled | 11:52 |
| hak0 | thanks in advance if this is not the right channel , and sorry for the english | 11:53 |
| yuriy__ | ubucon is wrapping up | 11:55 |
| Riddell | I've never used apt-build | 11:55 |
| Riddell | yuriy__: oh, what happened? | 11:55 |
| yuriy__ | well a few talks, a packaging talk that was useful hopefully, MagicFab did a talk on canonical support | 11:55 |
| yuriy__ | just met LH :) | 11:56 |
| yuriy__ | ok g2g time for another 4 hour bus ride | 11:56 |
| Riddell | have fun | 11:56 |
| Riddell | hak0: I recommend doing apt-get source <package>; cd <package>-name; debuild | 12:06 |
| hak0 | Riddell: the magic in the next lines | 12:07 |
| hak0 | x-dev: dummy package for transition purposes. In component main, is optional. Version 7.0.7-1 (edgy), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB | 12:08 |
| hak0 | xorg-dev: the X.Org X Window System development libraries. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.1.1ubuntu6.2 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 44 kB | 12:08 |
| hak0 | xserver-xorg-dev: X.Org X server -- development files. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.1.1-0ubuntu12.1 (edgy), package size 290 kB, installed size 1628 kB | 12:08 |
| hak0 | Riddell: x-dev finished quite fast | 12:09 |
| hak0 | going to sudo apt-build build-source xorg-dev | 12:10 |
| hak0 | xorg-dev failed againd with same error , is it my mirror, going to add international mirror to apt-sources | 12:11 |
| hak0 | maybe uk | 12:12 |
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