[01:31] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ping ?
[01:32] <imbrandon> Tonio_, pong
[01:32] <imbrandon> i'm headed to sleep in about 5 minutes hehe
[01:33] <Tonio_> hey Hobbsee ;)
[01:33] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_ :)
[01:34] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: so i shouldnt bug you at the moment?  :P
[01:34] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:34] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, bug me in a few hours
[01:35] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: :)
[01:36] <kwwii> howdy all
[01:36] <Hobbsee> hey kwwii :)
[01:36] <kwwii> hi imbrandon, Hobbsee
[01:36] <Hobbsee> kwwii: how's the feisty artwork going?
[01:37] <kwwii> Hobbsee: I am a busy bee
[01:37] <Hobbsee> kwwii: ahhh, okay
[01:37] <jjesse> evening :)
[01:37] <Hobbsee> kwwii: i'd suspected as much, when i'd heard none of it
[01:37] <Hobbsee> hey jjesse!
[01:37] <kwwii> lol
[01:37] <Hobbsee> jjesse: are you using irc at work, btw?
[01:37] <kwwii> Hobbsee: half way done with Ubuntu
[01:37] <jjesse> Hobbsee: nope, can't connect @ the client i'm working at
[01:38] <jjesse> though that job is done next week
[01:39] <jjesse> could an evening be any better, working on kubuntu, listening to the complete soundtrack to les miserables and drinking good wine?
[01:39] <Hobbsee> kwwii: nice :)
[01:40] <imbrandon> heya kwwii
[01:41] <imbrandon> ok i'
[01:41] <jjesse> hello imbrandon
[01:41] <imbrandon> m off for a few hours for some sleep
[01:41] <imbrandon> heya jjesse
[01:41] <jjesse> night then :)
[01:48] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, btw stick that amarok fix on aurora and i'll grab it from your home dir tonight when i goto work
[01:48] <imbrandon> if you want
[01:48] <imbrandon> ( i seen your email )
[01:49] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i think Tonio_'s uploading it - there were more, and i didnt build it on aurora anyway.  debdiff is on buntudot
[01:50] <Tonio_> imbrandon: will upload it yes, once the archives are opened
[01:51] <imbrandon> hrm ok let me know when you do i would like to tweak a few more things too on it before final
[01:51] <imbrandon> anyhow i'm off to sleep
[01:52] <Tonio_> imbrandon: just a question, what is a "billing address"
[01:52] <Tonio_> imbrandon: should contain your datas right ?
[01:52] <imbrandon> no
[01:52] <imbrandon> yours, where ever the cc is registered to
[01:53] <imbrandon> or it wont go through
[01:53] <jjesse> usually only have to fill it ouf that is different then the mailing addres
[01:53] <imbrandon> jjesse, it is
[01:53] <jjesse> the form should display that
[01:54] <Tonio_> imbrandon: okay great :)
[01:54] <Tonio_> imbrandon: then I can't order that machine :)
[01:54] <Tonio_> imbrandon: billing infos has to be in the us.... :)
[01:54] <jjesse> d'oh
[01:54] <imbrandon> ahh not good
[01:55] <imbrandon> we'll figure something out tomarrow
[01:55] <Tonio_> imbrandon: no need, I'l buy another one, too complicated....
[01:55] <imbrandon> im might be able to buy it then have you send me the money
[01:55] <imbrandon> hahah ok
[01:55] <imbrandon> was worth a try
[01:55] <imbrandon> ok SLEEP !!
[01:55] <Tonio_> good night :)
[02:32] <jjesse> does anyone have screenshots of the upgrade process for edgy -> feisty?
[02:33] <jjesse> nixternal: ping... i'm trying to figure out how/where to tie in your wireless section ot the official ubuntu book
[02:33] <nixternal> pongerz
[02:33] <jjesse> nixternal: exactly how to work it in, i don't quite see yet
[02:34] <nixternal> right around the networking/internet section, or somewhere in the hardware section I would guess
[02:34] <jjesse> nixternal: i would like to have under system settings -> network and connectivity as i used to mention wireless
[02:34] <jjesse> nixternal: i don't have a real "hardware" section
[02:34] <nixternal> hrmm
[02:35] <nixternal> it could work under there under a subheading for devices or something?
[02:35] <jjesse> maybe i'll do something like Wireless networking is even furthered improved in Kubuntu 7.04 as will be discuessed later, and create a whole new sub section
[02:35] <jjesse> ooo time for coffee and the office :) :)
[02:36] <nixternal> haha
[02:36] <nixternal> holy cow, it is
[02:36] <jjesse> i love that show
[02:36] <nixternal> My Name is Earl!
[02:36] <nixternal> :)
[02:36] <jjesse> my old co-worker looks/acts exactly like jim from the office
[02:36] <nixternal> hahahaha
[02:37] <jjesse> seriously some chick when he was on vacation in florida said "are you jim from the office?"
[02:37] <jjesse> he laughed
[02:38] <nixternal> rofl
[02:47] <hak0> hi
[02:48] <Riddell> jjesse: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/
[02:48] <hak0> i'm trying to rebuild my kubuntu for my i686 , and i was thinking on using apt-build , any sugestions ?
[02:48] <Riddell> adept[1-7] .png
[02:51] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell
[02:53] <kwwii> Riddell: isn't that using the wrong style?
[03:21] <jjesse> am i the only one w/ a blank system
[03:21] <jjesse> sorry am i the only one w/ a blank system settings in feisty?
[03:23] <Hobbsee> jjesse: i cant reproduce, but i've seen bug reports saying that
[03:23] <jjesse> i wonder if its because its a herd 3 install?
[03:23] <jjesse> but its completely up-to-date
[06:20] <Hobbsee> oh ,there it is
[06:22] <Jucato> maybe it wasn't pointy enough to be easily seen...
[07:05] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[08:09] <dinosaur-rus> when nvidia-glx package will be updated for 2.6.20-8 kernel?
[11:32] <GNUro> good morning!
[11:34] <_StefanS_> hi there
[01:15] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:15] <Jucato> heh thanks :)
[01:16] <Jucato> so tomorrow will be universe FF right? no more new packages/features?
[01:17] <Hobbsee> i dunno
[01:17] <Hobbsee> !schedule
[01:17] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[01:18] <Jucato> heh.. !schedule doesn't have the link to the Feisty schedule anymore
[01:18] <Jucato> !feisty
[01:18] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[01:18] <Tm_T> Jucato: =
[01:18] <Hobbsee> Jucato: that's development week 17.  try feb 22
[01:19] <Jucato> oh lol!
[01:19] <Jucato> I keep on misreading those....
[01:21] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:21] <Hobbsee> dont worry
[01:22] <Tonio_> hi ;)
[01:23] <Hobbsee> heya Tonio_!!!
[01:23] <Jucato> I think you weren't around anymore by that time Hobbsee
[01:23] <Jucato> hi Tonio_! glad to see things better for you now :D
[01:23] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ahh
[01:24] <Jucato> did you get any answer to your "questions", btw?
[01:24] <Tonio_> well I still beleive we are taking bad decisions, but I shouldn't have flamme the channel like this....
[01:24] <Tonio_> Jucato: no that'll be debatted next meeting, I assume
[01:24] <Tonio_> Jucato: no I'm in a good mood today simply because I've just bought a new laptop :)
[01:24] <Hobbsee> woo!
[01:25] <Tonio_> my yesterday personnal issues are still there
[01:25] <Jucato> woot woot!
[01:25] <Tonio_> but those are sweeter with a new computer :)
[01:25] <Jucato> rawr!! everybody's getting new stuff except me!
[01:25] <Jucato> new computers, new babies..
[01:25] <Jucato> :(
[01:25] <Tonio_> I bought a macbook pro
[01:25] <Tonio_> I wanted a thinkpad, but the US price is 1700$
[01:26] <Jucato> whoa? just when Ubuntu's going to drop "official" PPC support?
[01:26] <Tonio_> the price for the same machine in france is : 4000
[01:26] <Jucato> oh bah.. stupid me
[01:26] <Tonio_> that's a joke !
[01:26] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ouch.
[01:26] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:26] <Jucato> O.O
[01:26] <Tonio_> as a friend of mine said : "open your ass, IBM is coming..."
[01:26] <Tonio_> sorry for this.....
[01:26] <Jucato> lol
[01:27] <Tm_T> Tonio_: My friend ordered IBM laptop from Germany, here it's over 1100  and he paid less than 500 
[01:27] <Tonio_> Tm_T: how so ?
[01:27] <Tm_T> Or was it HP, can't remember.
[01:28] <Tm_T> Tonio_: No idea, some stuff just cost more here. (small markets)
[01:28] <Tonio_> well hp is more expensive in europe, but the difference isn't that ridiculous....
[01:28] <Tm_T> One city might have more people than whole Finland. =)
[01:28] <Tonio_> the point is that for a very good machine, apple is probably the less expensive
[01:28] <Hobbsee> oh.  found Tonio_ ranting :)
[01:29] <Tonio_> honnestly, compare to even dell, apple is cheeper.....
[01:29] <Tonio_> for the same config of course
[01:31] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: we dont ship thunderbird for linux on kubuntu, btw.
[01:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: no but we ship the windows version
[01:31] <Jucato> Hobbsee: we do, but for win32 iirc
[01:31] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: indeed.
[01:32] <Tonio_> the point that drives me nuts is okay I can understand for thunderbird and firefox
[01:32] <Hobbsee> then updated, as the apps has been out of date
[01:32] <Tonio_> but why are we loosing 4 megs for speedcrunch ?
[01:32] <Hobbsee> Jucato: note the "for linux" in there :)
[01:32] <Tonio_> and kdepim is UNUSABLE on windows
[01:32] <Tonio_> crashes every 3 seconds
[01:32] <Hobbsee> nice!
[01:32] <Jucato> Hobbsee: see? told you I keep on *not* reading things...
[01:32] <Hobbsee> Jucato: hehe
[01:32] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: and well in my opinion, providing windows apps is nice
[01:33] <Tonio_> BUT has to stand as an option
[01:33] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i keep on not seeing things.  the boss told me about where some specific stuff was.  i listened, forgot, then couldnt find them anywhere.
[01:33] <Tonio_> as we are running out of space
[01:33] <Hobbsee> Jucato: what about it?
[01:33] <Tonio_> I can't understand that we removed digikam from the cd instead of windows apps
[01:33] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: true. where's the output of what's on the seeds, and is taking up the space?
[01:33] <Jucato> Hobbsee: er.. I meant "speedcurnch for windows"
[01:33] <Tonio_> I went mad when I so this....
[01:33] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ah,   yes
[01:33] <Tonio_> that's ridiculous
[01:33] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: the opencd is still current, istn it?
[01:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: windows apps are 60MB, on every cd
[01:34] <Hobbsee> yes i realise, i read the backscroll :)
[01:34] <Tonio_> with this we could had digikam, the digikam plugins, twinkle, more languages packs etc......
[01:34] <Hobbsee> how big's digikam + related langpacks?
[01:34] <Tonio_> we are castrating kubuntu to ship windows apps that "almost" nobody will ever use
[01:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: digikam is 4MB
[01:34] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: http://www.theopencd.org/news/2006/ocd40
[01:35] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I know.......
[01:35] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: it still seems current.  interesting @ their comments, though
[01:35] <Tonio_> we are just castrating kubuntu to do a "small" opencd equivalent, not as good though
[01:35] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: is it feasible that we could promote opencd on kubuntu.org?
[01:36] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: sebas said the benefit would be better to remove windows apps and include a kubuntu description page with installation instructions for windows users
[01:36] <Tonio_> I +100000000 this
[01:36] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yes.  i saw :)
[01:36] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: answer the question :)
[01:36] <Tonio_> well I don't blame the windows apps, I just want that to be optionnal
[01:37] <Tonio_> damn digikam is a pure killer app, we HAVE to have it !
[01:37] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you havent answered my question yet.
[01:37] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: you know that the amd64 cd has lots of problems, missing langs etc.... ?
[01:37] <Tonio_> it also has the windows apps
[01:37] <Hobbsee> yes.  seeing your comments
[01:37] <Tonio_> which is ?
[01:37] <Hobbsee> [23:35]  <Hobbsee> Tonio_: is it feasible that we could promote opencd on kubuntu.org?
[01:38] <Hobbsee> *grin*
[01:38] <Tonio_> hu ? I've been kicked ?
[01:38] <Hobbsee> was right above "sebas said"
[01:38] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yes, to get my point across :)
[01:38] <Hobbsee> [23:37]  <-- Tonio_ has left this channel (requested by Hobbsee: " now come on, answer my question mate!").
[01:38] <Hobbsee> btw, it was a remove.  </pedant>
[01:38] <Tonio_> haha :)
[01:38] <Tonio_> well I don't know that canonical marketing
[01:38] <Tonio_> and riddell is offline since yesterday so I don't have his opinion on this
[01:39] <Tonio_> but yes I think we should promote the opencd that does a very good job, instead of duplicating with something not as good that handicaps kubuntu development
[01:39] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: what i'm thinking - can we promote opencd on kubuntu.org - say "if you want to try out a whole heap of linux apps, including x,y,z, that are in our default install, then see the open cd at...
[01:39] <Tonio_> that's my opinion
[01:39] <Hobbsee> at which point we coudl easily remove the windows apps.
[01:40] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: exactly, that could feet on the kubuntu presentation page
[01:40] <Riddell> my opinion is that we give out hundreds of thousands of CDs, a majority of which will be to people who won't change to kubuntu but will be interested if they can start to use Free windows software
[01:40] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: btw we will have to remove windows apps for a very simple reason :
[01:40] <Tonio_> feisty+1 will need kdelibs 4.0 AND kdelibs 3.5
[01:40] <Tonio_> so....... let's just anticipate this
[01:41] <Hobbsee> ooh, Riddell is here :)
[01:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: true.  but we're also giving out a live cd.
[01:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: ahhhh ;)
[01:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: which we didnt used to
[01:41] <Hobbsee> not when you're asleep, you're not
[01:41] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I was in a terrible mood yesterday, sorry for this.... personnal problems didn't help
[01:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I perfectly agree with you on that point
[01:42] <Tonio_> but the first thing is : which apps should we provide ?
[01:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hope you figure the personal the stuff out
[01:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdepim is unusable on windows, pre-alpha state, craches all the time
[01:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: speedcrunch is useless for 99% of the people
[01:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: I follow you for firefox and thunderbird
[01:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: and the main thing is that handicaps current kubuntu development....
[01:45] <Hobbsee> wow, so many apps on that opencd
[01:45] <Riddell> can you imagine me angry?
[01:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes.
[01:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes but I've been wrong and agressive yesterday :)
[01:46] <Riddell> if you saw the jumper I'm wearing you'd understand I could never be angry
[01:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: lol
[01:46] <Jucato> O.O
[01:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: I perfectly understand your opinion
[01:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: but don't you think it's a bit illogic to provide speedcrunch or kdepim (crappy) for windows and remove digikam, one of the best kde app ever ?
[01:47] <Tonio_> and globally make the windows content prior to the linux one as we favor keeping windows things and "castrate" kubuntu ?
[01:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why, what's the jumper you're wearing?  :)
[01:48] <Riddell> Hobbsee: big and fluffy knitted jumper
[01:48] <Jucato> pic! pic!! :)
[01:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahh
[01:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: with 60MB more, we could do so much for a perfect desktop out of the box........
[01:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: digikam + its plugins, a voip software, more languages etc........
[01:50] <Tonio_> we also are diverging from debian as we split several packages to remove the docs..... a digikam doc would also be nice etc.....
[01:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: applications are always a luxury on a 1 CD OS
[01:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure ! but when it is possible to have them, but we don't for something that cannot in any case be considered the priority for the global project....
[01:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: this is something that is out of my logic ;)
[01:52] <Tonio_> and even if we want to absolutly ship some apps, that I can understand, we should not ship super unstable things like kdepim
[01:52] <sebas> Especially, but not exclusively if it's crappy apps.
[01:52] <Tonio_> or useless things like speedcrunch, which I doubt lots of people are interested in
[01:52] <Tonio_> I don't know how is kexi on windows but I doubt it is really usable....
[01:53] <Tonio_> of course firefox and thunderbird are really mature, no problem against that
[01:53] <fdoving> my mom didn't like speedcrunch, even on linux, i had to install kcalc. :)
[01:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you ever try kdepim on windows ? I did
[01:54] <Tonio_> if you want people to be conviced that free softwares are crappy and buggy things, that's what to do, honnestly...
[01:54] <Tonio_> fdoving: that's another debate hehe :)
[01:54] <Tonio_> fdoving: already discussed :)
[01:55] <Tonio_> but yes I doubt lots of people will say "wow, super calculator on that cd, let's install it !"
[01:55] <Tonio_> firefox or thinderbird, okay, even gimp eventually !
[01:55] <Tonio_> gimp is a very good and mature app for windows that's deserves promotion ! but speedcrunch....
[01:56] <Tonio_> I think we can make a compromise, ship the best apps and free some space with useless or crappy stuff
[01:56] <Tonio_> kdepim should be removed, as it deserves free software (on windows) beeing pre-alpha state
[01:57] <Tonio_> and of course the windows port was just a test, it is unmainted....
[01:57] <fdoving> Tonio_: i agree, ship few stable and good apps. (if any at all)
[01:57] <fdoving> for windows, that is.
[01:57] <Tonio_> fdoving: well I think we should remove all of them, but I'm for the compromise
[01:57] <Tonio_> I think a good compromise can be done
[01:58] <fdoving> i'm pro removing everything but firefox. with firefox one can safely download thunderbird.
[01:58] <fdoving> and you can't use any of them without a internet connection anyway.
[01:58] <fdoving> s/use/make use of/
[01:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: is any change considered impossible or can we consider a debate next meeting ?
[01:59] <Tonio_> not obviously to remove all, but eventually to find a good compromise that will avoid removing killer apps on the kubuntu side ?
[02:00] <Hobbsee> yay, amarok accepted :)
[02:00] <Tonio_> I'll test kexi on windows.... 16MB lost because of this, so I really hope that stable and usable :)
[02:01] <Tonio_> sebas: can someone from koffice team give his opinion on that point ?that'd be interesting :)
[02:04] <Tonio_> brb in 2 hours, have to go... ;)
[02:07] <fdoving> see you.
[02:08] <Tonio_> ho Riddell, just before leaving, to me, the "luxury" on a one cd linux install is the windows apps, not the linux one ;)
[02:09] <Tonio_> I wouldn't say that for a dvd, of course....
[02:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's too late to remove winfoss for feisty, that would need to be done before feature freeze
[02:10] <Riddell> but might be worth asking heno if he'd remove some stuff
[02:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sure this doesnt count as a "major, act of god" thing?  :P
[02:11] <Hobbsee> to violate the freeze?
[02:12] <Riddell> can't see how god got into it
[02:12] <Hobbsee> i know :P
[02:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the question is, even though we're late, do we ignore the chance of feisty becoming a better release, just due to a freeze?  this *only* affects kubuntu people, not the whole distro
[02:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I understand that's a matter of spec, but we should try to focus on the good apps...
[02:16] <Tonio_> kdepim is just lost of space, as that cannot be really used on windows
[02:17] <Tonio_> and I beleive kexi is about the same state.... but It'll give a try
[02:17] <Jucato> hm... so you mean, we shipped digikam in Edgy, but won't be shipping it in feisty?
[02:17] <Tonio_> Jucato: that's the risk yes.... the first big kubuntu regression
[02:18] <raphink> I like the idea to promote new apps and new projects
[02:18] <raphink> but not to the cost of our primary goal, which is to ship a Linux OS
[02:32] <gnomefreak> the herd4 iso site for kubuntu https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Herd4  needs to be fixed? it says herd4 nhas not been released but it has now.
[02:37] <Riddell> gnomefreak: that's ubuntu :)
[02:37] <gnomefreak> oops
[02:58] <nixternal> moin!!
[02:58] <raphink> hi nixternal
[02:58] <raphink> :)
[02:59] <nixternal> Riddell: are you working on a release notes for the website? if now I can do it up quick and give you a patch
[02:59] <nixternal> hiya raphink
[03:00] <Riddell> nixternal: go ahead
[03:00] <Riddell> although it's just a patch to kubuntu.rss
[03:01] <nixternal> gotcha
[03:01] <Riddell> nixternal: actually kubuntu.rss is out of date in the bzr archive so you can't do that
[03:03] <nixternal> I just noticed that
[03:03] <nixternal> OK, I thought I was going nuts
[03:05] <Riddell> kubuntu.org updated
[03:05] <nixternal> woohoo!
[03:06] <Riddell> thanks for another great herd page nixternal
[03:11] <nixternal> ahh Riddell, actually everyone tossed in this go round with great stuff
[03:11] <yuriy_> hello all from ubucon
[03:11] <nixternal> thanks to everyone for the help :)
[03:12] <Riddell> yuriy_: ooh?
[03:13] <Riddell> yuriy_: in new york?
[03:13] <yuriy_> yes, at google offices
[03:13] <Riddell> yuriy_: many people there?
[03:13] <yuriy_> currently awaiting bfeakfast
[03:13] <yuriy_> 40ish so far
[03:14] <Riddell> yuriy_: any Kubuntu types?
[03:14] <yuriy_> someone next to me, looks like edgy
[03:14] <yuriy_> some macs though, thought that was strange.
[03:15] <Riddell> the weak willed
[03:15] <Hobbsee> or the "soon to be enlightened"
[03:18] <yuriy_> the kubuntu guy next to me is actually a debian dev
[03:19] <Riddell> yuriy_: oh?  what's his name?
[03:19] <yuriy_> Vyas
[03:19] <Riddell> not a KDE packager then
[03:20] <yuriy_> (last name^)
[03:21] <Riddell> hmm, aspell and ttf fonts, poor chap
[03:22] <fdoving> .. and dovecot :)
[03:52] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[03:57] <dinosaur-rus> !schedule
[03:57] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[03:57] <dinosaur-rus> !nvidia-glx
[03:57] <ubotu> nvidia-glx: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1.0.8776+2.6.17.7-11.1 (edgy), package size 3970 kB, installed size 12312 kB
[03:58] <Jucato> boo bddebian
[03:59] <bddebian> ahhh. :-)  Hi Jucato
[03:59] <dinosaur-rus> when nvidia-glx will be updated for 2.6.20-8 kernel?
[03:59] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: try #ubuntu+1
[03:59] <yuriy_> dinosaur-rus: i'm running nvidia on 2.6.20-8 right now...
[03:59] <nixternal> oob naibeddb
[04:00] <dinosaur-rus> yoriy_: the latest nvidia-glx package available is for 2.6.20-6 kernel... :/
[04:01] <dinosaur-rus> yuriy_
[04:11] <dinosaur-rus> yuriy_: don't worry, that was my bad :)
[04:29] <Tonio_> re
[04:29] <Tonio_> pfffffffffff, papers, papers, papers, french administrations are a pain !
[04:30] <Riddell> go on strike
[04:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: haha, I don't have a job, remember !
[04:39] <Riddell> perfect, you're already on strike
[04:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe
[05:11] <nixternal> is NdisWrapper on the Live and Alternate CDs?
[05:11] <nixternal> !info ndiswrapper
[05:11] <ubotu> Package ndiswrapper does not exist in edgy, edgy-seveas
[05:12] <nixternal> !info ndiswrapper-common
[05:12] <ubotu> ndiswrapper-common: Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper. In component main, is optional. Version 1.18-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 13 kB, installed size 80 kB
[05:12] <nixternal> thanks ubotu
[05:12] <nixternal> wth did I just say thanks to a stinkin' bot ;p
[05:13] <Jucato> :D
[05:14] <nixternal> interesting
[05:14] <nixternal> I originally setup my wifi card in edgy with ndiswrapper
[05:15] <nixternal> now, if I do apt-get remove ndis and hit tab, it doesn't show it
[05:15] <Jucato> O.o
[05:15] <nixternal> and...
[05:15] <nixternal> now with Feisty, my wifi card info is WAY different
[05:16] <nixternal> before it showed up as a Broadcom 4311 Unknown Device or something similar
[05:16] <nixternal> and now it says...
[05:16] <nixternal> 06:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01)
[05:17] <nixternal> which is definitely incorrect, as this is a Compaq/HP laptop :)
[05:17] <Jucato> heh
[05:17] <nixternal> and since HP and Dell HATE each other, I highly doubt they are interchanging devices
[05:17] <Jucato> lol
[05:18] <nixternal> I need to backup my ~/ and reinstall with Feisty fresh. I am interested in seeing if ...
[05:18] <nixternal> wth..I can just boot from a LiveCD :)
[05:22] <Riddell> hi Zerlinna
[05:22] <Zerlinna> hi Riddell
[05:22] <Riddell> Zerlinna: neversfelde said the services that had been shut off were run by \sh_away not amu
[05:23] <Zerlinna> Riddell: for the planet and the jabber it's true (sorry about that!), the archive has been disabled by amu afaik
[05:23] <Riddell> Zerlinna: archive of what?
[05:24] <Zerlinna> Riddell: packages
[05:24] <Riddell> oh
[05:24] <Zerlinna> Riddell: he also deleted the aliases (name@kubuntu.de) without telling anybody
[05:24] <Riddell> hum
[05:25] <Zerlinna> Riddell: well, if you want we can just see and wait what / if will happen
[05:27] <Riddell> I did e-mail amu, got no reply yet
[05:29] <Zerlinna> Riddell: in his last mail (two weeks ago) he told me that he's no longer interested in linux
[05:32] <Zerlinna> and the last news from his page was one month ago.. also he removed us from joomla adminstration, so except him (and maybe sh) nobody can contribute to the site
[05:32] <neversfelde> hello
[05:33] <Zerlinna> hi neversfelde :)
[05:33] <neversfelde> nixternal: I read about your wlan card. I have the same chipset also in an HP Notebook. The last test with Herd 3 showed me no difference to edgy
[05:44] <nixternal> neversfelde: ya, since I changed to Feisty the card has reported differently than Edgy.
[05:45] <neversfelde> nixternal: I'm going to test ist this weekend. Hopefully there is no change to Dell *g*
[05:45] <nixternal> I haven't even checked google for an answer, but I am sure you still have to use NdisWrapper for it to work
[05:47] <neversfelde> mhh. I hoped feisty would solve the problem with the fwcutter.
[05:52] <nixternal> well, if you check bcm43xx.berlios.de it will pretty much tell you, there is only support for 3 base chipsets
[05:52] <nixternal> I have been following the forum on this chipset and it requires way to much work to even document, and has only worked once or twice and hten just crashes out
[05:54] <neversfelde> I tested several howtos, but now I'm using ndiswrapper too, although some people told, that they get it working with the fwcutter
[06:35] <_Sime> Riddell: FYI, I'm sitting on a few bug fixes for the media stuff. I want to patchify, test them and send them off this weekend.
[06:48] <Riddell> _Sime: great
[07:13] <Lure> Riddell: regarding SRU's (bug 75017) - did anybody notify Simon about verification needed?
[07:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75017 in kubuntu-default-settings "SRU: remove /.hidden file " [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/75017
[07:13] <Lure> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates looks to be very strict on verification part
[07:13] <Lure> Riddell: we have several users confirming it, but we need Simon to ACK it
[07:14] <Riddell> Lure: not that I now of, give him a ping (sfllaw) and ask
[07:15] <Lure> Riddell: I think there is another kubuntu sru by Tonio_ (do not recall bug ID though)
[07:17] <Riddell> there was https://launchpad.net/bugs/69479
[07:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69479 in katapult "SRU: katapult" [Undecided,Needs info] 
[07:17] <Tonio_> Lure: digikam ? I've stoped looking at it.....
[07:18] <Tonio_> I'm finished with SRUs
[07:18] <Lure> Tonio_: ;-)
[07:18] <Tonio_> I prefer to spend 5 minutes fixing a bug on feisty than 2 month for edgy...
[07:18] <Lure> and Riddell, I am all with Tonio_ to drop some winfoss in favor of digikam on CD!
[07:19] <Lure> Riddell: kdepim is no brainer - it just is not good enough, speedcrunch also has limited use for windows users
[07:19] <Tonio_> Lure: I will test kexi to check if it is really usable.... which I doubrt
[07:20] <Tonio_> kde3 apps on windows are more "tests" than really published apps
[07:20] <Lure> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade <- is this final and you want me to test or should I wait for -proposed/SRU?
[07:20] <Lure> Riddell: but I can test this only once ;-)
[07:24] <Tonio_> Lure: wow the katapult SRU is longer than mine ;)
[07:24] <Tonio_> 3 1/2 month :)
[07:24] <Tonio_> with a bit of chance it'll be uploaded just after feisty is released.........
[07:26] <fdoving> if that's the good old katapult sru it's been a mess since the start.
[07:27] <Riddell> Lure: please test
[07:27] <Riddell> Lure: it should just work now, straight from adept, no need to use kdepyuic
[07:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: my kdebase upload failed.... I'll look at it, strange since it worked locally...
[07:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: will be fixed toonight
[08:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay kdebase build issue is due to kdelibs, I have to wait for it to be published...
[08:24] <Riddell> it should have a build-dep
[08:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: not a build dep, but a function has been changed to have one more arg
[08:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: so the .h file isn't correct
[08:50] <Riddell> err, changed by who?
[09:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: the patch for the effect touches both kdelibs and kdebase
[09:30] <Tonio_> the zoom on execute
[09:30] <Tonio_> so I need kdelibs published with the patch for kdebase to build properly ;)
[09:31] <Riddell> so kdebase should have an increased build-dep
[09:31] <Tonio_> increased, yes
[09:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: well should we version the builddep with 0ubuntu* version ?
[09:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: or simply wait for kdelibs to be build and upload , ;)
[09:34] <gnomefreak> nixternal: When you get a minute can you ping me.
[09:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: doesn't make much difference, but the best way would have been to have the build-dep on first upload
[09:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, I forgot that requirement, sorry ;)
[10:21] <_StefanS_> evenings :)
[10:45] <Lure> Riddell: any plans to fix font issue in Feisty? I am on edgy now and I am suprised that I have completely forgotten how nice fonts looked like in edgy... :-(
[10:46] <Lure> Riddell: currentyl updating to latest edgy, then I will do dist-upgrade
[10:46] <Riddell> Lure: it's not top of my list, but it would be nice
[10:47] <Riddell> Lure: going to test the new dist-upgrade tool?
[10:47] <Lure> Riddell: yes - first update edgy, then upgrade
[10:47] <Lure> Riddell: I have kde355 and some other repo's (seveas, allee)
[10:49] <Tonio_> Lure: I checked a bit but that looks complicated...
[10:49] <Tonio_> Lure: we can switch to dejavu but that'll create other problems with certain languages
[10:49] <Tonio_> and sans serif is broken, but I couldn't find any reference to that bug anywhere...
[10:50] <Lure> Tonio_: it is really strange - I have Sans Serif in edgy and it is great, same font on Feisty looks fat and blurry
[10:50] <Tonio_> Lure: yes it's completly broken
[10:51] <Lure> Riddell: so no editing of source required (as listed on KubuntuDistUpgrade)?
[10:51] <Tonio_> Lure: but that's not kubuntu specific
[10:51] <Riddell> tried the edgy fontconfig on feisty?
[10:51] <Riddell> Lure: no, should just work
[10:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes.... no change
[10:52] <Riddell> strange
[10:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know :)
[10:52] <Lure> Riddell: I suspect edgy fontconfig would just work (because that upload broke fonts), but I may try this after upgrade.
[10:52] <Tonio_> I don't know who is the fontmaster for ubuntu....
[10:52] <Tonio_> Lure: I tried, it doesn't change....
[10:52] <Tonio_> sans serif is still crap
[10:53] <Lure> Tonio_: that is really strange - I am 100% sure that that specific fontconfig upload broke it for me
[10:54] <Lure> btw, is security repo also mirrored (like de., fr.)?
[10:54] <Tonio_> Lure: yes mee too
[10:54] <Tonio_> the issue appeared after fontconfig upgrade
[10:54] <Tonio_> but I tried edgy fontconfig and that didn't change anything for me
[10:54] <Tonio_> don't ask me why....
[10:54] <Lure> no it is not... :-(
[10:56] <Riddell> Lure: security isn't mirrored (security needs to get to people fast)
[10:56] <Riddell> Lure: and the data centre is having problems
[10:56] <Riddell> Lure: but you don't need kdelibs from security, you need it from the dist-upgrade repo on kubuntu.org
[10:56] <Tonio_> Lure: note that the issue can be in a builddep of fontconfig
[10:57] <Tonio_> which would explain update caused the issue and backporting edgy doesn't change anything
[10:57] <Tonio_> 23:00.... I have 4 hours to fix this !
[10:58] <Lure> Riddell: ok, will the do upgrade directly on your repo
[11:14] <Tonio_> Lure: just build edgy fontconfig, restarting X now
[11:16] <Tonio_> Lure, Riddellright now issue with edgy package....
[11:16] <Tonio_> I'll investigate and try to fix
[11:16] <Lure> Tonio_: so builddep thing?
[11:17] <Tonio_> Lure: no that's fontconfig.....
[11:17] <ryanakca> anybody have a quick and easy task I can do?
[11:17] <Tonio_> I didn't do the test right last time...
[11:17] <Tonio_> Lure: I'll investigate, test the patches etc.... I'll find !!!
[11:21] <Riddell> ryanakca: did you update the install-mp3 script?
[11:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: something strange....
[11:28] <ryanakca> Riddell: fix it? Tonio_ stole it from me
[11:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: we have fontconfig 2.4.2
[11:28] <Tonio_> on fontconfig.org : The current development series is working towards version 2.4.1
[11:28] <Tonio_> I'm wondering if 2.4.2 isn't development version in fact...
[11:29] <ryanakca> Riddell: upgrade the version I have on my comp... I ran a dist-upgrade last night...
[11:29] <Tonio_> looks like the big different is the fonts.conf.in file....
[11:29] <jdong> apparently kcontrol set font settings affect gnome-terminal and Firefox under GNOME....
[11:29] <jdong> but not any other app
[11:37] <ryanakca> Riddell: anything else?
[11:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think I found the bug...
[11:38] <Tonio_>  		<family>sans-serif</family>
[11:38] <Tonio_>  		<prefer>
[11:38] <Tonio_>  			<family>Bitstream Vera Sans</family>
[11:38] <Tonio_> +			<family>DejaVu Sans</family>
[11:38] <Riddell> mmmmmmmmmmm
[11:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: in old version of fontconfig, sans-serif maps to bitstream vera by default and dejavu if this one misses
[11:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's been removed from 2.4.2
[11:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: that means we've always used bitstream vera infact ;)
[11:42] <Tonio_> hum no it's still there, just the config has been split to several files...
[11:44] <hak0> i all
[11:45] <hak0> can anyone confirm me that xorg dev files to build X exist on the mirrors? i'm in Portugal and apt-buil doens find it on pt mirror, tnkx
[11:47] <Riddell> hak0: you would need to tell us the package name
[11:49] <hak0> i tried xorg after doing a dpkg -l | grep xorg that seemed the right package to start building all of X packages , sudo apt-build build-source xorg   , i'm using 6.10
[11:50] <hak0> and it failled to find the package , saying unable to chdir to $xorgversion, because it simply didnt found it on the mirror i think
[11:51] <hak0> Riddell: so the question is , if you are using apt-build , can u reproduce my error or try to correct me, please
[11:52] <hak0> Riddell:: ai have built more packages , but so far xorg and kdebase (this one from anothr unofficial repository) have failled
[11:53] <hak0> thanks in advance if this is not the right channel , and sorry for the english
[11:55] <yuriy__> ubucon is wrapping up
[11:55] <Riddell> I've never used apt-build
[11:55] <Riddell> yuriy__: oh, what happened?
[11:55] <yuriy__> well a few talks, a packaging talk that was useful hopefully, MagicFab did a talk on canonical support
[11:56] <yuriy__> just met LH :)
[11:56] <yuriy__> ok g2g time for another 4 hour bus ride
[11:56] <Riddell> have fun
[12:06] <Riddell> hak0: I recommend doing apt-get source <package>; cd <package>-name; debuild
[12:07] <hak0> Riddell: the magic in the next lines
[12:08] <hak0>  x-dev: dummy package for transition purposes. In component main, is optional. Version 7.0.7-1 (edgy), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB
[12:08] <hak0>  xorg-dev: the X.Org X Window System development libraries. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.1.1ubuntu6.2 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 44 kB
[12:08] <hak0>  xserver-xorg-dev: X.Org X server -- development files. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.1.1-0ubuntu12.1 (edgy), package size 290 kB, installed size 1628 kB
[12:09] <hak0> Riddell: x-dev finished quite fast
[12:10] <hak0> going to sudo apt-build build-source xorg-dev
[12:11] <hak0> xorg-dev failed againd with same error , is it my mirror, going to add international mirror to apt-sources
[12:12] <hak0> maybe uk