=== MrWGW- [n=nondiscl@cpe-75-85-97-183.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@ppp-69-221-226-93.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:31] imbrandon: ping ? === Hobbsee waves [01:32] Tonio_, pong [01:32] i'm headed to sleep in about 5 minutes hehe === kwwii [n=kwwii@khepri.openbios.org] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:33] hey Hobbsee ;) [01:33] hey Tonio_ :) [01:34] imbrandon: so i shouldnt bug you at the moment? :P [01:34] hehe [01:34] Hobbsee, bug me in a few hours [01:35] imbrandon: :) [01:36] howdy all [01:36] hey kwwii :) [01:36] hi imbrandon, Hobbsee [01:36] kwwii: how's the feisty artwork going? [01:37] Hobbsee: I am a busy bee [01:37] kwwii: ahhh, okay [01:37] evening :) [01:37] kwwii: i'd suspected as much, when i'd heard none of it [01:37] hey jjesse! [01:37] lol [01:37] jjesse: are you using irc at work, btw? [01:37] Hobbsee: half way done with Ubuntu [01:37] Hobbsee: nope, can't connect @ the client i'm working at [01:38] though that job is done next week [01:39] could an evening be any better, working on kubuntu, listening to the complete soundtrack to les miserables and drinking good wine? [01:39] kwwii: nice :) [01:40] heya kwwii [01:41] ok i' [01:41] hello imbrandon [01:41] m off for a few hours for some sleep [01:41] heya jjesse [01:41] night then :) [01:48] Hobbsee, btw stick that amarok fix on aurora and i'll grab it from your home dir tonight when i goto work [01:48] if you want [01:48] ( i seen your email ) [01:49] imbrandon: i think Tonio_'s uploading it - there were more, and i didnt build it on aurora anyway. debdiff is on buntudot [01:50] imbrandon: will upload it yes, once the archives are opened [01:51] hrm ok let me know when you do i would like to tweak a few more things too on it before final [01:51] anyhow i'm off to sleep [01:52] imbrandon: just a question, what is a "billing address" [01:52] imbrandon: should contain your datas right ? === ash211 [n=andrew@user-11213kf.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:52] no [01:52] yours, where ever the cc is registered to [01:53] or it wont go through [01:53] usually only have to fill it ouf that is different then the mailing addres [01:53] jjesse, it is [01:53] the form should display that === jjesse does a lot of registering for hotels and flights online [01:54] imbrandon: okay great :) [01:54] imbrandon: then I can't order that machine :) [01:54] imbrandon: billing infos has to be in the us.... :) [01:54] d'oh [01:54] ahh not good [01:55] we'll figure something out tomarrow [01:55] imbrandon: no need, I'l buy another one, too complicated.... [01:55] im might be able to buy it then have you send me the money [01:55] hahah ok [01:55] was worth a try [01:55] ok SLEEP !! [01:55] good night :) === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:32] does anyone have screenshots of the upgrade process for edgy -> feisty? [02:33] nixternal: ping... i'm trying to figure out how/where to tie in your wireless section ot the official ubuntu book [02:33] pongerz [02:33] nixternal: exactly how to work it in, i don't quite see yet [02:34] right around the networking/internet section, or somewhere in the hardware section I would guess [02:34] nixternal: i would like to have under system settings -> network and connectivity as i used to mention wireless [02:34] nixternal: i don't have a real "hardware" section [02:34] hrmm [02:35] it could work under there under a subheading for devices or something? [02:35] maybe i'll do something like Wireless networking is even furthered improved in Kubuntu 7.04 as will be discuessed later, and create a whole new sub section [02:35] ooo time for coffee and the office :) :) [02:36] haha [02:36] holy cow, it is [02:36] i love that show [02:36] My Name is Earl! [02:36] :) [02:36] my old co-worker looks/acts exactly like jim from the office === jjesse loves his dvr [02:36] hahahaha [02:37] seriously some chick when he was on vacation in florida said "are you jim from the office?" [02:37] he laughed [02:38] rofl === hak0 [n=user@bl5-9-58.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:47] hi [02:48] jjesse: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/ [02:48] i'm trying to rebuild my kubuntu for my i686 , and i was thinking on using apt-build , any sugestions ? [02:48] adept[1-7] .png [02:51] morning Riddell [02:53] Riddell: isn't that using the wrong style? === kwwii ducks === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ash211_ [n=andrew@user-11fathg.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:21] am i the only one w/ a blank system [03:21] sorry am i the only one w/ a blank system settings in feisty? [03:23] jjesse: i cant reproduce, but i've seen bug reports saying that [03:23] i wonder if its because its a herd 3 install? 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no more new packages/features? [01:17] i dunno [01:17] !schedule [01:17] Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases [01:18] heh.. !schedule doesn't have the link to the Feisty schedule anymore [01:18] !feisty [01:18] The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1 [01:18] Jucato: = [01:18] Jucato: that's development week 17. try feb 22 [01:19] oh lol! [01:19] I keep on misreading those.... === Jucato has yet successfuly made a fool of himself again... === Jucato > /dev/null [01:21] hehe [01:21] dont worry [01:22] hi ;) === Tonio_ is in a good mood today..... sorry for yesterday, I was horrible [01:23] heya Tonio_!!! === Hobbsee doesnt remember Tonio_ being horrible yesterday === Hobbsee may not have been online and watching yesterday though. [01:23] I think you weren't around anymore by that time Hobbsee [01:23] hi Tonio_! glad to see things better for you now :D [01:23] Jucato: ahh [01:24] did you get any answer to your "questions", btw? [01:24] well I still beleive we are taking bad decisions, but I shouldn't have flamme the channel like this.... [01:24] Jucato: no that'll be debatted next meeting, I assume === Hobbsee goes to look up what it was === Jucato wonders when that will be... [01:24] Jucato: no I'm in a good mood today simply because I've just bought a new laptop :) === Jucato had the fire extinguisher ready last night anyway :D [01:24] woo! [01:25] my yesterday personnal issues are still there [01:25] woot woot! [01:25] but those are sweeter with a new computer :) [01:25] rawr!! everybody's getting new stuff except me! [01:25] new computers, new babies.. [01:25] :( [01:25] I bought a macbook pro [01:25] I wanted a thinkpad, but the US price is 1700$ === Hobbsee wants a new USB disk [01:26] whoa? just when Ubuntu's going to drop "official" PPC support? [01:26] the price for the same machine in france is : 4000 [01:26] oh bah.. stupid me [01:26] that's a joke ! [01:26] Tonio_: ouch. [01:26] yep [01:26] O.O [01:26] as a friend of mine said : "open your ass, IBM is coming..." [01:26] sorry for this..... [01:26] lol [01:27] Tonio_: My friend ordered IBM laptop from Germany, here it's over 1100 and he paid less than 500 [01:27] Tm_T: how so ? [01:27] Or was it HP, can't remember. [01:28] Tonio_: No idea, some stuff just cost more here. (small markets) [01:28] well hp is more expensive in europe, but the difference isn't that ridiculous.... [01:28] One city might have more people than whole Finland. =) [01:28] the point is that for a very good machine, apple is probably the less expensive [01:28] oh. found Tonio_ ranting :) [01:29] honnestly, compare to even dell, apple is cheeper..... [01:29] for the same config of course [01:31] Tonio_: we dont ship thunderbird for linux on kubuntu, btw. [01:31] Hobbsee: no but we ship the windows version [01:31] Hobbsee: we do, but for win32 iirc [01:31] Tonio_: indeed. === Hobbsee has used it once...maybe twice... [01:32] the point that drives me nuts is okay I can understand for thunderbird and firefox [01:32] then updated, as the apps has been out of date [01:32] but why are we loosing 4 megs for speedcrunch ? [01:32] Jucato: note the "for linux" in there :) [01:32] and kdepim is UNUSABLE on windows [01:32] crashes every 3 seconds [01:32] nice! [01:32] Hobbsee: see? told you I keep on *not* reading things... [01:32] Jucato: hehe [01:32] Hobbsee: and well in my opinion, providing windows apps is nice [01:33] BUT has to stand as an option === Jucato gasps at speedcrunch... [01:33] Jucato: i keep on not seeing things. the boss told me about where some specific stuff was. i listened, forgot, then couldnt find them anywhere. [01:33] as we are running out of space [01:33] Jucato: what about it? [01:33] I can't understand that we removed digikam from the cd instead of windows apps [01:33] Tonio_: true. where's the output of what's on the seeds, and is taking up the space? [01:33] Hobbsee: er.. I meant "speedcurnch for windows" [01:33] I went mad when I so this.... [01:33] Jucato: ah, yes [01:33] that's ridiculous [01:33] Tonio_: the opencd is still current, istn it? [01:34] Hobbsee: windows apps are 60MB, on every cd [01:34] yes i realise, i read the backscroll :) [01:34] with this we could had digikam, the digikam plugins, twinkle, more languages packs etc...... [01:34] how big's digikam + related langpacks? [01:34] we are castrating kubuntu to ship windows apps that "almost" nobody will ever use [01:34] Hobbsee: digikam is 4MB [01:34] Tonio_: http://www.theopencd.org/news/2006/ocd40 [01:35] Hobbsee: I know....... [01:35] Tonio_: it still seems current. interesting @ their comments, though [01:35] we are just castrating kubuntu to do a "small" opencd equivalent, not as good though [01:35] Tonio_: is it feasible that we could promote opencd on kubuntu.org? [01:36] Hobbsee: sebas said the benefit would be better to remove windows apps and include a kubuntu description page with installation instructions for windows users [01:36] I +100000000 this [01:36] Tonio_: yes. i saw :) [01:36] Tonio_: answer the question :) === Hobbsee agrees with you - no point, preaching to the converted [01:36] well I don't blame the windows apps, I just want that to be optionnal [01:37] damn digikam is a pure killer app, we HAVE to have it ! [01:37] Tonio_: you havent answered my question yet. [01:37] Hobbsee: you know that the amd64 cd has lots of problems, missing langs etc.... ? [01:37] it also has the windows apps [01:37] yes. seeing your comments === mode/#kubuntu-devel [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ [01:37] which is ? === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [requested] === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:37] [23:35] Tonio_: is it feasible that we could promote opencd on kubuntu.org? [01:38] *grin* [01:38] hu ? I've been kicked ? [01:38] was right above "sebas said" [01:38] Tonio_: yes, to get my point across :) [01:38] [23:37] <-- Tonio_ has left this channel (requested by Hobbsee: " now come on, answer my question mate!"). [01:38] btw, it was a remove. [01:38] haha :) [01:38] well I don't know that canonical marketing === mode/#kubuntu-devel [-o Hobbsee] by ChanServ [01:38] and riddell is offline since yesterday so I don't have his opinion on this [01:39] but yes I think we should promote the opencd that does a very good job, instead of duplicating with something not as good that handicaps kubuntu development [01:39] Tonio_: what i'm thinking - can we promote opencd on kubuntu.org - say "if you want to try out a whole heap of linux apps, including x,y,z, that are in our default install, then see the open cd at... [01:39] that's my opinion [01:39] at which point we coudl easily remove the windows apps. [01:40] Hobbsee: exactly, that could feet on the kubuntu presentation page [01:40] my opinion is that we give out hundreds of thousands of CDs, a majority of which will be to people who won't change to kubuntu but will be interested if they can start to use Free windows software [01:40] Hobbsee: btw we will have to remove windows apps for a very simple reason : [01:40] feisty+1 will need kdelibs 4.0 AND kdelibs 3.5 [01:40] so....... let's just anticipate this [01:41] ooh, Riddell is here :) [01:41] Riddell: true. but we're also giving out a live cd. === Riddell is always here [01:41] Riddell: ahhhh ;) [01:41] Riddell: which we didnt used to [01:41] not when you're asleep, you're not [01:41] :) [01:41] Riddell: yeah I was in a terrible mood yesterday, sorry for this.... personnal problems didn't help [01:42] Riddell: I perfectly agree with you on that point [01:42] but the first thing is : which apps should we provide ? [01:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hope you figure the personal the stuff out [01:42] Riddell: kdepim is unusable on windows, pre-alpha state, craches all the time [01:43] Riddell: speedcrunch is useless for 99% of the people [01:43] Riddell: I follow you for firefox and thunderbird === Hobbsee notes that giving out the opencd in addition to kubuntu would be a smart move, but would require more cost [01:43] Riddell: and the main thing is that handicaps current kubuntu development.... === Tonio_ hopes Riddell isn't angry after him.... [01:45] wow, so many apps on that opencd [01:45] can you imagine me angry? === RadiantFire_ [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:46] Riddell: yes. [01:46] Riddell: yes but I've been wrong and agressive yesterday :) [01:46] if you saw the jumper I'm wearing you'd understand I could never be angry === Jucato nods :D [01:46] Riddell: lol === mhb [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:46] O.O [01:46] Riddell: I perfectly understand your opinion [01:47] Riddell: but don't you think it's a bit illogic to provide speedcrunch or kdepim (crappy) for windows and remove digikam, one of the best kde app ever ? [01:47] and globally make the windows content prior to the linux one as we favor keeping windows things and "castrate" kubuntu ? [01:48] Riddell: why, what's the jumper you're wearing? :) [01:48] Hobbsee: big and fluffy knitted jumper === Jucato is heavily pro-KDE, but if the korganizer/kabc for win32 is crappy and Thunderbird is already there... (not to mention it might give KDE a bad name...) [01:48] pic! pic!! :) [01:49] Riddell: ahh [01:49] Riddell: with 60MB more, we could do so much for a perfect desktop out of the box........ [01:49] Riddell: digikam + its plugins, a voip software, more languages etc........ [01:50] we also are diverging from debian as we split several packages to remove the docs..... a digikam doc would also be nice etc..... [01:50] Tonio_: applications are always a luxury on a 1 CD OS [01:51] Riddell: sure ! but when it is possible to have them, but we don't for something that cannot in any case be considered the priority for the global project.... [01:51] Riddell: this is something that is out of my logic ;) === sebas is far from convinced that shipping Windows applications will gain Kubuntu one more user. [01:52] and even if we want to absolutly ship some apps, that I can understand, we should not ship super unstable things like kdepim [01:52] Especially, but not exclusively if it's crappy apps. [01:52] or useless things like speedcrunch, which I doubt lots of people are interested in [01:52] I don't know how is kexi on windows but I doubt it is really usable.... [01:53] of course firefox and thunderbird are really mature, no problem against that [01:53] my mom didn't like speedcrunch, even on linux, i had to install kcalc. :) [01:53] Riddell: did you ever try kdepim on windows ? I did [01:54] if you want people to be conviced that free softwares are crappy and buggy things, that's what to do, honnestly... [01:54] fdoving: that's another debate hehe :) [01:54] fdoving: already discussed :) [01:55] but yes I doubt lots of people will say "wow, super calculator on that cd, let's install it !" [01:55] firefox or thinderbird, okay, even gimp eventually ! [01:55] gimp is a very good and mature app for windows that's deserves promotion ! but speedcrunch.... === Jucato doesn't use speedcrunch either... katapult is faster for simple stuff.... [01:56] I think we can make a compromise, ship the best apps and free some space with useless or crappy stuff === fdoving use speedcrunch [01:56] kdepim should be removed, as it deserves free software (on windows) beeing pre-alpha state [01:57] and of course the windows port was just a test, it is unmainted.... [01:57] Tonio_: i agree, ship few stable and good apps. (if any at all) [01:57] for windows, that is. [01:57] fdoving: well I think we should remove all of them, but I'm for the compromise [01:57] I think a good compromise can be done [01:58] i'm pro removing everything but firefox. with firefox one can safely download thunderbird. [01:58] and you can't use any of them without a internet connection anyway. [01:58] s/use/make use of/ [01:58] Riddell: is any change considered impossible or can we consider a debate next meeting ? [01:59] not obviously to remove all, but eventually to find a good compromise that will avoid removing killer apps on the kubuntu side ? [02:00] yay, amarok accepted :) [02:00] I'll test kexi on windows.... 16MB lost because of this, so I really hope that stable and usable :) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:01] sebas: can someone from koffice team give his opinion on that point ?that'd be interesting :) === hunger_t is now known as hunger [02:04] brb in 2 hours, have to go... ;) [02:07] see you. [02:08] ho Riddell, just before leaving, to me, the "luxury" on a one cd linux install is the windows apps, not the linux one ;) [02:09] I wouldn't say that for a dvd, of course.... [02:09] Tonio_: it's too late to remove winfoss for feisty, that would need to be done before feature freeze [02:10] but might be worth asking heno if he'd remove some stuff [02:11] Riddell: sure this doesnt count as a "major, act of god" thing? :P [02:11] to violate the freeze? [02:12] can't see how god got into it [02:12] i know :P [02:14] Riddell: the question is, even though we're late, do we ignore the chance of feisty becoming a better release, just due to a freeze? this *only* affects kubuntu people, not the whole distro === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:16] Riddell: well I understand that's a matter of spec, but we should try to focus on the good apps... [02:16] kdepim is just lost of space, as that cannot be really used on windows === Hobbsee is always surprised, looking back, just how much better each release of kubuntu was over hte last one [02:17] and I beleive kexi is about the same state.... but It'll give a try [02:17] hm... so you mean, we shipped digikam in Edgy, but won't be shipping it in feisty? [02:17] Jucato: that's the risk yes.... the first big kubuntu regression [02:18] I like the idea to promote new apps and new projects [02:18] but not to the cost of our primary goal, which is to ship a Linux OS [02:32] the herd4 iso site for kubuntu https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Herd4 needs to be fixed? it says herd4 nhas not been released but it has now. === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F027C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:37] gnomefreak: that's ubuntu :) [02:37] oops === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm216.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:58] moin!! [02:58] hi nixternal [02:58] :) [02:59] Riddell: are you working on a release notes for the website? if now I can do it up quick and give you a patch [02:59] hiya raphink [03:00] nixternal: go ahead [03:00] although it's just a patch to kubuntu.rss [03:01] gotcha [03:01] nixternal: actually kubuntu.rss is out of date in the bzr archive so you can't do that [03:03] I just noticed that [03:03] OK, I thought I was going nuts === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:05] kubuntu.org updated [03:05] woohoo! [03:06] thanks for another great herd page nixternal === Jucato claps === guglielf [n=guglielf@ppp-246-67.21-151.libero.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy_ [n=yuriy@72.14.228.90] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:11] ahh Riddell, actually everyone tossed in this go round with great stuff [03:11] hello all from ubucon [03:11] thanks to everyone for the help :) [03:12] yuriy_: ooh? [03:13] yuriy_: in new york? [03:13] yes, at google offices [03:13] yuriy_: many people there? [03:13] currently awaiting bfeakfast [03:13] 40ish so far [03:14] yuriy_: any Kubuntu types? [03:14] someone next to me, looks like edgy [03:14] some macs though, thought that was strange. [03:15] the weak willed [03:15] or the "soon to be enlightened" [03:18] the kubuntu guy next to me is actually a debian dev [03:19] yuriy_: oh? what's his name? [03:19] Vyas [03:19] not a KDE packager then [03:20] (last name^) [03:21] hmm, aspell and ttf fonts, poor chap [03:22] .. and dovecot :) === guglielf [n=guglielf@ppp-246-67.21-151.libero.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === dinosaur-rus [n=dinosaur@ppp85-140-215-27.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:52] hi === Lure_ [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:57] !schedule [03:57] Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases [03:57] !nvidia-glx [03:57] nvidia-glx: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1.0.8776+2.6.17.7-11.1 (edgy), package size 3970 kB, installed size 12312 kB === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:58] boo bddebian [03:59] ahhh. :-) Hi Jucato [03:59] when nvidia-glx will be updated for 2.6.20-8 kernel? [03:59] dinosaur-rus: try #ubuntu+1 [03:59] dinosaur-rus: i'm running nvidia on 2.6.20-8 right now... [03:59] oob naibeddb [04:00] yoriy_: the latest nvidia-glx package available is for 2.6.20-6 kernel... :/ [04:01] yuriy_ === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === dinosaur-rus kicks his ass :)) [04:11] yuriy_: don't worry, that was my bad :) === firephoto_ [n=tom@pool-71-115-214-25.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:29] re [04:29] pfffffffffff, papers, papers, papers, french administrations are a pain ! [04:30] go on strike === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:37] Riddell: haha, I don't have a job, remember ! [04:39] perfect, you're already on strike [04:43] Riddell: hehe === glatzor [n=sebi@88.134.194.143] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-57-2.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180072138.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:11] is NdisWrapper on the Live and Alternate CDs? [05:11] !info ndiswrapper [05:11] Package ndiswrapper does not exist in edgy, edgy-seveas [05:12] !info ndiswrapper-common [05:12] ndiswrapper-common: Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper. In component main, is optional. Version 1.18-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 13 kB, installed size 80 kB [05:12] thanks ubotu [05:12] wth did I just say thanks to a stinkin' bot ;p [05:13] :D [05:14] interesting [05:14] I originally setup my wifi card in edgy with ndiswrapper [05:15] now, if I do apt-get remove ndis and hit tab, it doesn't show it [05:15] O.o [05:15] and... [05:15] now with Feisty, my wifi card info is WAY different [05:16] before it showed up as a Broadcom 4311 Unknown Device or something similar [05:16] and now it says... [05:16] 06:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01) [05:17] which is definitely incorrect, as this is a Compaq/HP laptop :) [05:17] heh [05:17] and since HP and Dell HATE each other, I highly doubt they are interchanging devices [05:17] lol === Zerlinna [n=Zerlinna@C6f6f.c.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-57-2.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:18] I need to backup my ~/ and reinstall with Feisty fresh. I am interested in seeing if ... [05:18] wth..I can just boot from a LiveCD :) [05:22] hi Zerlinna [05:22] hi Riddell [05:22] Zerlinna: neversfelde said the services that had been shut off were run by \sh_away not amu [05:23] Riddell: for the planet and the jabber it's true (sorry about that!), the archive has been disabled by amu afaik [05:23] Zerlinna: archive of what? [05:24] Riddell: packages [05:24] oh [05:24] Riddell: he also deleted the aliases (name@kubuntu.de) without telling anybody [05:24] hum [05:25] Riddell: well, if you want we can just see and wait what / if will happen [05:27] I did e-mail amu, got no reply yet [05:29] Riddell: in his last mail (two weeks ago) he told me that he's no longer interested in linux [05:32] and the last news from his page was one month ago.. also he removed us from joomla adminstration, so except him (and maybe sh) nobody can contribute to the site [05:32] hello [05:33] hi neversfelde :) [05:33] nixternal: I read about your wlan card. I have the same chipset also in an HP Notebook. The last test with Herd 3 showed me no difference to edgy === bddebian2 [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:44] neversfelde: ya, since I changed to Feisty the card has reported differently than Edgy. [05:45] nixternal: I'm going to test ist this weekend. Hopefully there is no change to Dell *g* [05:45] I haven't even checked google for an answer, but I am sure you still have to use NdisWrapper for it to work [05:47] mhh. I hoped feisty would solve the problem with the fwcutter. === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:52] well, if you check bcm43xx.berlios.de it will pretty much tell you, there is only support for 3 base chipsets [05:52] I have been following the forum on this chipset and it requires way to much work to even document, and has only worked once or twice and hten just crashes out [05:54] I tested several howtos, but now I'm using ndiswrapper too, although some people told, that they get it working with the fwcutter === Lure_ [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure_ is now known as Lure === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-115-214-25.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:35] <_Sime> Riddell: FYI, I'm sitting on a few bug fixes for the media stuff. I want to patchify, test them and send them off this weekend. === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A72546.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:48] _Sime: great === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db442d8.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy_ [n=yuriy@72.14.228.90] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has left #kubuntu-devel ["trombone"] === Bent [n=bent@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:13] Riddell: regarding SRU's (bug 75017) - did anybody notify Simon about verification needed? [07:13]