[12:14] <morghanphoenix> laters all
[12:14] <vegas> amarok does kick ass...can't wait for my media center pc to be converted over to linux
[12:14] <vegas> oh yeah, is there any way to make amarok support flac?
[12:15] <hatta> install libflac
[12:16] <vegas> k
[12:17] <vegas> i'll probably end up asking how to do that once i have the media center converted over
[12:18] <hatta> sudo aptitude install libflac7
[12:19] <dettoaltrimenti_> graft: reading these instructions, I have to write "for conffile in ..... ; do" and after I write the whole command, there's a long line of "bash: /etc/ndiswrapper/..... .conf: permission denied" - do you know what the problem might be?
[12:20] <graft> dettoaltrimenti_: yeah, you're not doing it as root
[12:21] <dettoaltrimenti_> sudo doesn't work- do I need to use chroot?
[12:21] <graft> dettoaltrimenti_: um, sudo -i, not chroot
[12:21] <dettoaltrimenti_> ok
[12:21] <graft> dettoaltrimenti_: type sudo -i, then run that for loop, etc.
[12:21] <JRH3K5> Howdy-doo.  Is there software that's like shoutcast, but for video streams?
[12:22] <hatta> vlc can do it
[12:22] <dettoaltrimenti_> graft: when I do that, it says "bash: syntax error near unexpected token 'do'"
[12:22] <JRH3K5> I found a tutorial that will get VLC to act as a P2P streamer - i.e., one instance streams to localhost, and then another receives it.
[12:22] <dettoaltrimenti_> graft: oh nevermind!
[12:22] <JRH3K5> But I want to be able to connect to the server from anywhere and stream video from it.
[12:23] <hatta> JRH3K5, can't you just point the remote vlc client at the same server?
[12:24] <JRH3K5> Hmm.  I tried connecting with WinAmp and WMP, but not VLC
[12:24] <JRH3K5> I'll see if that works
[12:28] <margis> hello all!!!
[12:28] <JRH3K5> The problem with using VLC is that it only acts as a client, not a server.
[12:28] <margis> i have a small question......
[12:28] <HymnToLife> margis, just ask
[12:28] <margis> i need a  programm to capture video from beryl
[12:29] <margis> i need   something  which  will dowload as     apt-get install "programm"
[12:29] <margis> any idea?
[12:30] <margis> kanenas  ellinas?
[12:30] <margis> no one?
[12:33] <BluesKaj> margis, ?
[12:34] <margis> yes
[12:34] <margis> i need  a  screen video capture programm
[12:35] <margis> any idea?
[12:35] <margis> is  help  chat  here  or  i must join another?  first time  here.....just 5 days  linux  user :)
[12:36] <SpAwN> hello all i installed pache and then installed the package php5 i then retstarted the web server but when i goto the site it trys to dl the php file instead of viewing it
[12:37] <margis> i searched  in google  and  i  got confused...
[12:37] <SpAwN> margis, try to use xvidcap
[12:37] <BluesKaj> margis, or  http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/
[12:37] <skarface> SpAwN: did you install libapache2-mod-php5?
[12:38] <SpAwN> skarface, ahh no..i just installed php5
[12:38] <margis> so i will   put    apt-get install xvidcap?
[12:38] <skarface> SpAwN: should do it for you
[12:38] <BluesKaj> !vnc2swf
[12:38] <SpAwN> skarface, sweet man thanks alot :-)
[12:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vnc2swf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:38] <SpAwN> OoO skarface its saying its already installed
[12:39] <Lam_> is there a way to regenerate fstab? i plan to remove a hard drive and replace it with a dvd drive and i want fstab to be configured correctly
[12:40] <BluesKaj> fstab can be edited i believe
[12:41] <skarface> SpAwN: not sure then. check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[12:41] <SpAwN> skarface, k cool thanks again :-)
[12:41] <Admiral_Chicago> everything can be edited on a GNU / Linux system
[12:41] <margis> i searhed in synaptic   and i got  nothing  bout xvidcap
[12:41] <margis> any other idea?
[12:42] <SolidSource> margis: you need a better sources.list
[12:42] <margis> do u have anyone?
[12:42] <SolidSource> !sources
[12:42] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:42] <margis> can u  upload  for me  one  in pastebin?
[12:43] <BluesKaj> err margis , do you have flash installed, then try this ; http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/
[12:43] <margis> i have flash
[12:43] <SolidSource> margis: use this http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[12:43] <margis> but  i just see  that  i need a sources  list
[12:43] <BluesKaj> you don't alway shave to use the sources list
[12:44] <SolidSource> yeah, but its easier
[12:45] <BluesKaj> nothing worth doing is easy :)
[12:47] <SolidSource> thats just fools talk....plenty of things worth doing are easy, all you need to do is look
[12:47] <SpAwN> whats the diff between the apache and apache2 webserver?....i had apache installed and just installed the apach2 .....is there big differences?
[12:48] <flaccid> yes
[12:48] <flaccid> apache is apache 1
[12:48] <flaccid> apache2 is apache 2
[12:48] <flaccid> don't install both :)
[12:48] <flaccid> no big difference, but there is not much reason to use 1
[12:49] <SpAwN> ah
[12:49] <SpAwN> thanks flaccid
[12:49] <flaccid> np
[12:49] <BluesKaj> SolidSource, are you calling me a fool ...man yer quick to make personal judgments
[12:50] <flaccid> the best things in life are free
[12:50] <flaccid> like freenode
[12:52] <BluesKaj> it's free but ya still gotta do some works to get things working right
[12:52] <graft> um, apache 1 and apache2 are VERY different in fact, in terms of configuration
[12:53] <graft> feature-wise there's not a whole lot of difference, but transitioning from one to the other is a bit of work
[12:53] <graft> and if i'm not mistaken development is still continuing on both branches...
[12:53] <flaccid> graft: well for the person who hasnt used it, i'd say that don't need more than just serving...
[12:54] <graft> apache1 is definitely way more popular
[12:54] <flaccid> they both are
[12:54] <graft> i dunno if this is for ease-of-use or for historical reasons
[12:54] <flaccid> its because you don't need apache 2
[12:54] <flaccid> well i do for a few things, not that i can remember what they are
[12:55] <flaccid> i do dislike ubuntu's implementation of apaches
[12:55] <flaccid> but thats another story
[12:58] <BluesKaj> server eh,  what kind of files do you have stored in apache
[12:58] <flaccid> who me?
[12:59] <surgy> ok i did something to mess up my perfect mount
[12:59] <surgy> my hdd needs to be mounted i added it to fstab got it to mount, and now i cant enable it..... permissions are set, and well its got me freaking frustrated..... can someone help me start over from scratch on mounting it?
[01:00] <flaccid> !ntfs
[01:00] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[01:00] <flaccid> that guide is good
[01:00] <flaccid> for any fs types
[01:00] <flaccid> iirc
[01:00] <flaccid> if you cite me the error i can help
[01:00] <BluesKaj> !mount
[01:00] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[01:00] <surgy> its not an ntfs partition and i know the basics
[01:00] <surgy> flaccid: its an ext3 drive
[01:01] <SpAwN> hmm ive instaled apache2 and used /etc/init.d/apache2 start and it doesnt do anything....ive also removed apache and it still shows up in /etc/init.d/
[01:01] <surgy> im using qtparted and it seams to make the problem worse
[01:01] <flaccid> like i said
[01:01] <flaccid> its good for any fs types
[01:01] <flaccid> SpAwN: i think you need to purge the package
[01:02] <SpAwN> flaccid, i am purgin now
[01:02] <flaccid> sweet
[01:02] <SpAwN> k apache is gone and all i see is apache2...but its doing nothing :
[01:02] <flaccid> for an ext3 in fstab, you don't need any extra options.
[01:02] <SpAwN> roob@SeRvBuNtU:~$ /etc/init.d/apache2 status
[01:02] <SpAwN> roob@SeRvBuNtU:~$
[01:03] <flaccid> try that under sudo
[01:03] <flaccid> same result?
[01:03] <SpAwN> omg
[01:03] <SpAwN> im a dunce
[01:03] <SpAwN> wait
[01:03] <SpAwN> yes
[01:03] <SpAwN> same :/
[01:04] <flaccid> ps aux | grep -i apache
[01:04] <flaccid> or is it ps aux | grep -i httpd
[01:04] <flaccid> i can't remember if ubuntu renamed the binary
[01:04] <SpAwN> roob     30493  0.0  0.6   2880   836 ttyp1    S+   19:01   0:00 grep -i apache
[01:04] <SpAwN> nothing
[01:04] <flaccid> i would probably reinstall the package
[01:05] <flaccid> looks like something is fuxed
[01:05] <SpAwN> flaccid, yea...seems like it. ill try to purge the apache2
[01:05] <skarface> does php5 work with apache 1?
[01:05] <flaccid> yeah purge the fresh install of package
[01:06] <margis> helloo again
[01:06] <flaccid> hmm i can't remember sorry skarface. ask in #apache
[01:06] <skarface> well that was SpAwN's original question
[01:06] <skarface> his php5 wasn't working
[01:07] <SpAwN> skarface, well i didnt get it to...im now trying to follow a guide to set up apache2 and php and mysql
[01:07] <skarface> ok
[01:07] <flaccid> well his apache aint working at all
[01:07] <SpAwN> yea still nothing too...i purged and reinstalled
[01:07] <skarface> I see
[01:07] <SpAwN> :/
[01:08] <SpAwN> roob@SeRvBuNtU:~$ which apache2
[01:08] <SpAwN> /usr/sbin/apache2
[01:08] <flaccid> because of how ubuntu changes the apache implementation, i can't really think of where to start. used to unchanged apache. sorry
[01:08] <SpAwN> its there...but /etc/init.d/apache2 does nothing
[01:08] <flaccid> it could be the init.d script failing, try starting apache2 manually
[01:08] <surgy> what do you know flaccid, i remove my little add on to fstab reboot and its fixed..... man im so confused how that thing works lol
[01:08] <SpAwN> flaccid, just type like sudo apache2?
[01:08] <surgy> anyone here use simplebackup?
[01:09] <flaccid> surgy: the cool thing is auto and noauto in fstab. if you set noauto it won't mount on boot, but you can mount ad hoc by mount /mnt/point
[01:09] <flaccid> you may already of known that
[01:09] <flaccid> um /usr/sbin/apache2
[01:10] <flaccid> under sudo. does it need more command line options?
[01:10] <SpAwN> and yea its gotta be the init.d script.....sudo apache2 starts it.....but it STILL wont let me view the php page...it wants to dl it
[01:10] <flaccid> um you need to add something in the apache conf
[01:11] <flaccid> so .php is used with the php mod or cgi
[01:11] <SpAwN> crap. let me read the whole howto
[01:11] <flaccid> i think there is a package
[01:11] <flaccid> !lamp
[01:11] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[01:11] <surgy> flaccid: yes but im trying to use the entire drive as a fail safe type setup where my simplebackup program makes a complete backup to that drive that only kdesu simplebackup can touch and when its done nothing can access the entire drive, so if something ever happens i know i have safe backups of everything
[01:11] <flaccid> i guess its in that guide
[01:11] <flaccid> surgy: ok. so its all cool? i would look at the uid, ro and rw options
[01:11] <flaccid> and umask, gmask etc.
[01:12] <surgy> flaccid: yeah seams to be working, how long whould be a good estimate on a 30gb backup? on a 2.2ghz machine with 512mb ram on sata hdds?
[01:12] <flaccid> um no idea sorry hehe
[01:13] <flaccid> sata is fast so should be pretty good
[01:14] <siegfried__> I've burned http://ubuntu-releases.cs.umn.edu/kubuntu/edgy/kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso to a CD. I see there are other versions on a DVD. Does the CD version dynamically download the other files that won't fit on the CD like the debian CD does?
[01:14] <surgy> flaccid: yeah on a manual copy paste its about 30 mins for 8 gb...... so about 2 hours whould be logicle?
[01:14] <flaccid> sounds pretty good to me surgy
[01:15] <dwidmann> siegfried__: there's a seperate iso for the dvd
[01:16] <siegfried__> Oh yes. I'm wondering about all the files that fit on the DVD and don't fit on the CD. Where do they come from?
[01:16] <dwidmann> http://archive.ubuntu.org/ubuntu/
[01:16] <dwidmann> or wait
[01:16] <dwidmann> that's a .com, not a .org
[01:16] <margis> ii found  streamer
[01:16] <margis> but  i dont  know  how to  set it
[01:17] <dwidmann> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu - if you're lazy and want a link :P
[01:19] <margis> what is this?
[01:19] <dwidmann> what is what?
[01:19] <margis> the link...
[01:19] <coreymon77> can kaffeine play mp4s
[01:19] <coreymon77> ?
[01:20] <SpAwN> on apache not apache2 the configs where a bit different...i want to not display anything when the user enters website.com/ ...i only want it to display when they enter website.com/~user/ i was told to remove the index.html from /var/www/ and change in the config file make it -index ?......but the config looks different.
[01:20] <SpAwN> how might i do this in apache2?
[01:20] <dwidmann> Oh, that was for siegfried__, of course, I was too lazy to say that.
[01:20] <margis> i still need  a video capture programm
[01:20] <dwidmann> coreymon77: Yeah
[01:20] <margis> i tried all
[01:20] <hatta> mencoder?
[01:20] <dwidmann> depending on the codec anyway
[01:21] <flaccid> SpAwN: goto apache.org and read the how tos. you probably want a <Directory> statement with Deny from all
[01:21] <margis> ok...i will  make another question.....
[01:22] <margis> i saw  in  a shortcut  that  says     <super> <shift>
[01:22] <margis> waht is  super button???????
[01:22] <margis> what
[01:22] <dwidmann> Most likely the one with the not-so-super logo
[01:23] <margis> aaaaaaaaaaaaa
[01:23] <margis> xaxaxaxaxaxaxax
[01:23] <margis> cool
[01:23] <scribz> is there a cpu speed changer thing for kubuntu that'll replace the default powermanager ?
[01:24] <scribz> had to switch to gnome to get my cpu to run at full 1.2Ghz instead of 798Mhz
[01:24] <flaccid> sounds about right
[01:24] <flaccid> i thought acpi is reducing clock speed because it doesn't need it
[01:25] <scribz> yeah but is stays that slow when the system starts to do intensive things
[01:25] <scribz> bit annoying
[01:25] <flaccid> i'm not sure that its actually accurate
[01:25] <flaccid> i noticed that behaviour too
[01:26] <flaccid> cpu was definately being full utilised on my system. can't remember what i used to verify that. prolly a shell command
[01:26] <scribz> im happy though, after reinstalling my fans dont spin anymore, sweet silence
[01:26] <scribz> cpufreqd i think
[01:26] <flaccid> your fans don't spin?
[01:26] <scribz> nope
[01:26] <flaccid> isn't that bad?
[01:26] <scribz> not hot either
[01:26] <specialbuddy> has anyone here done anything with drupal?
[01:27] <flaccid> shouldn't fans always spin at least at their lowest speed
[01:27] <flaccid> especially cpu fan
[01:28] <scribz> mabye it's spinning *very* slowly
[01:28] <scribz> it used to make a horrible whiney sound all the time
[01:29] <flaccid> computers are whiney sometimes hehe
[01:30] <siegfried__> Thanks dwidmann. I'm new to ubuntu and xubuntu was great, but a little more compact than necessary. What do folks recommend for running openoffice, Gnu Cash and implementing a print server for a g85?
[01:30] <siegfried__> That is a HP g85 multifunction printer/scanner/fax.
[01:31] <flaccid> what is wrong with kubuntu?
[01:31] <scribz> folder open time ?
[01:31] <siegfried__> I don't know if anything is wrong with kubuntu. I don't see it at that URL dwidman pointed me to. (http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/)
[01:32] <flaccid> ok
[01:32] <flaccid> then what is wrong with xubuntu ?
[01:32] <Biovore> siegfried__: something with atleast a 600Mhz Proc and 128MB of ram and 5 GB of HD (min)
[01:33] <siegfried__> Biovore, that is what I have on this old machine.
[01:33] <Biovore> siegfried__: should work..  Probably a bit slow..
[01:34] <siegfried__> flaccid, I was dissappointed that xubuntu did not come with openoffice or many other packages. I could install them seperate, I know.
[01:34] <flaccid> then there is no problem, correct?
[01:34] <flaccid> i mean if you want me to recommend something better. PC-BSD...
[01:34] <specialbuddy> what's the best vnc viewer?
[01:35] <siegfried__> Biovore, It is "Examining File Progress" and I have not specified a partition for it to install on yet. I hope it is not wiping out some partition I want to keep.
[01:35] <Biovore> PC-BSD is a good idea.. but it dies on alot of hardware :-/
[01:35] <flaccid> specialbuddy: krdc is pretty good
[01:35] <siegfried__> flaccid, no problem with xubuntu. I love it for live boot. For some reason, it boots where knoppix does not.
[01:36] <specialbuddy> thanks flaccid
[01:36] <flaccid> Biovore: so does ubuntu :p
[01:36] <Biovore> rgr
[01:36] <flaccid> its true
[01:36] <flaccid> we can't deny it
[01:36] <specialbuddy> flaccid, would you say that ubuntu is stable enough as a webserver
[01:37] <flaccid> specialbuddy: yes i would
[01:37] <flaccid> i have one ubuntu server atm
[01:37] <flaccid> otherwise its freebsd servers
[01:37] <specialbuddy> have you had a hard time using samba with ubuntu?
[01:37] <flaccid> nope
[01:38] <specialbuddy> I have
[01:38] <flaccid> most problems you run into with samba are incorrect configs.. need to learn it more
[01:38] <flaccid> particulary in mixed environments
[01:38] <specialbuddy> I used it with gentoo and I did the same thing with ubuntu and it didn't work so well
[01:38] <flaccid> i havnt found and tdb/sam or any auth issues in ubuntu
[01:38] <flaccid> yeah but why didn't it work so well
[01:38] <specialbuddy> IDK
[01:38] <flaccid> IDK ?
[01:39] <specialbuddy> I wrote the config files out the same as far as I know and just had problems accessing it
[01:39] <flaccid> what problems
[01:39] <defiant> Can someone please give me a hand with my nvidia card drivers. I installed them but I do not see the nvidia splash screen and my colors look weird
[01:39] <flaccid> like show me something specific :)
[01:40] <dwidmann> defiant: does glxgears run smoothly?
[01:40] <defiant> yes
[01:40] <defiant> but my colors still look weird
[01:41] <defiant> especially black
[01:41] <specialbuddy> it was a while ago when I used it but I was just wondering if anyone else had problems configuring it
[01:41] <dwidmann> if the colors look weird, it might sound kind of odd, but try disabling usplash
[01:41] <flaccid> im a samba junkie and yeah no problems
[01:41] <defiant> what is that I am a noob
[01:42] <specialbuddy> ok
[01:42] <specialbuddy> maybe I should attempt again
[01:42] <specialbuddy> it just seemed easier the first time I did it
[01:42] <dwidmann> usplash is the splash screen you see while booting, to disable it, open up /boot/grub/menu.lst (kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst), and there's something you need to change
[01:43] <dwidmann> There should be a line that looks like "#defoptions=stuff", within "stuff" should be "splash", remove the word splash and save the file
[01:43] <flaccid> specialbuddy: if you have problems again and can show what they are, show me or in #samba
[01:44] <dwidmann> then run "sudo update-grub"
[01:44] <dwidmann> and reboot
[01:45] <defiant> mine only says #defoptions-splah
[01:45] <defiant> *splash
[01:45] <dwidmann> leave it as "#defoptions=" ... just get rid of the word splash, that's the important thing here
[01:46] <defiant> now reboot?
[01:47] <bulwynkl> hi all, just having trouble with the systemsettings.
[01:47] <bulwynkl> when I go to admin mode, often the system will freeze -
[01:47] <bulwynkl> the systemsettings has a cild process '/usr/bin/kdesu --nonewdcop'
[01:48] <bulwynkl> that seems to hang.
[01:48] <bulwynkl> killing it returns the systemsettings to non-admin mode.
[01:49] <bulwynkl> random attempts fail or succeed without obvious reason.
[01:49] <bulwynkl> any hints?
[01:56] <donTaquero> I wish to change perl for activeperl into my linbox but I need help to do it.
[01:57] <donTaquero> Well, Exist any script to switch between perl and activeperl?
[01:58] <specialbuddy> what would be a good program for making a webpage
[01:58] <specialbuddy> ?
[01:58] <flaccid> kate
[01:59] <jarn> Is there a command line program to convert wma to mp3?
[01:59] <flaccid> !nvu
[01:59] <ubotu> nvu: Complete Web Authoring System. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0final-2ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 8373 kB, installed size 26448 kB
[01:59] <iamcalvo> specialbuddyQ
[01:59] <flaccid> !amaya
[01:59] <ubotu> amaya: Web Browser, HTML Editor and Testbed for Draft W3C standards. In component universe, is optional. Version 9.51-2.1 (edgy), package size 5331 kB, installed size 18364 kB
[01:59] <iamcalvo> specialbuddy: quanta
[01:59] <flaccid> !gemacs
[01:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gemacs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:00] <cpk1> jarn: I think ffmpeg will
[02:00] <flaccid> dang
[02:00] <flaccid> there is a few for your specialbuddy
[02:01] <CVirus> !adept
[02:01] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[02:03] <tarin> motd
[02:07] <CVirus> !universe
[02:07] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:35] <bob_> i'm looking for support on a couple of issues
[02:36] <bob_> first issue is simple - how do i change my nick?
[02:37] <Branded_Atom> /nick newname
[02:37] <bob_> branded - in this channel?
[02:38] <bobbicat> branded ty branded i found it
[02:39] <BluesKaj> another rogers cable guy on linux !
[02:40] <cpk1> canadian?
[02:40] <BluesKaj> yup
[02:40] <bobbicat> second issue is unmounted swap file in kubuntu 6.10
[02:40] <cpk1> maybe you dont need it =)
[02:41] <BluesKaj> edgy doesn't seem to the swap file if you have 1gig or more of memeory
[02:41] <BluesKaj> use
[02:41] <cpk1> bobbicat: do you have a swap partition?
[02:42] <bobbicat> how can i remount swap file it so it stays remounted and why did it unmount
[02:42] <bobbicat> cpk1 yup
[02:42] <cpk1> bobbicat: do you know what partition it is? /etc/fstab should say
[02:42] <bobbicat> cpk1 i'm a linux noob - a dos noob too
[02:43] <bobbicat> i think its hdb2
[02:43] <cpk1> better to make sure =)
[02:43] <jarn> What program will let me convert multiple WMAs to MP3s at the same time?
[02:43] <bobbicat> i'll see if i can find etc fstab
[02:44] <cpk1> bobbicat: also fdisk -l /dev/hd* will tell you all the partitions
[02:44] <bobbicat> i lost a load of personal files messin in dos
[02:44] <bobbicat> ok
[02:44] <BluesKaj> bobbicat, it's /etc/fstab
[02:44] <bobbicat> i'll use terminal - shakes with fear
[02:44] <cpk1> jarn: you can write a script for ffmpeg
[02:44] <BluesKaj> just use the runbox
[02:45] <cpk1> terminal is easy, just do cat /etc/fstab
[02:45] <hak0> hi people
[02:45] <jarn> cpk1: How would I do that?
[02:45] <hak0> does anyone have rebuilt kubuntu using apt-build ?
[02:46] <cpk1> jarn: do you know what command you need to do to convert wma to mp3 in ffmpeg?
[02:46] <bobbicat> it lists drives and partition but says it can't open them
[02:47] <jarn> cpk1: Isn't it just 'ffpmeg -i /path/to/file.wma /path/to/new/file.mp3'?
[02:47] <SpAwN> im trying to make it so when someone enters site.com it does nothing or at least say no pgae or somthing...but when someone trys site.com/~user/ it will work. ive added this to my apache2,conf but it seems to have no affect and still is listing the contents on /var/www http://pastebin.ulteo.us/440
[02:47] <cpk1> bobbicat: when you do fdisk -l?
[02:47] <bobbicat> theres no fstab folder in etc here
[02:48] <bobbicat> i'll try fdisk -l
[02:48] <SpAwN> bobbicat, fstab is a file not a foler
[02:48] <SpAwN> *folder
[02:48] <bobbicat> nothing on fdisk -l
[02:48] <cpk1> jarn: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6034/ that *MIGHT* work
[02:48] <bobbicat> i'll look spawn
[02:49] <Branded_Atom> spawn, whynot make a "parking page" for site.com/
[02:49] <Branded_Atom> just a random index.html page
[02:49] <bobbicat> i got an fstab file and fstab.save file
[02:50] <SpAwN> Branded_Atom, i could but id rather do it the other way...i had it working with apache(not apache2) i now i have apache2 installed and the confs are all diff and i cant get it to work
[02:50] <Branded_Atom> so you "don't" want a blank page to load?
[02:51] <SpAwN> ive tried to make it not index the folder...but no matter what it shows everything in the folder
[02:51] <Branded_Atom> you want a 404?
[02:51] <SpAwN> Branded_Atom, yea
[02:51] <Lam_> what controls that cdrom icon on the desktop? i changed my fstab and i want my new dvd drive to appear via that icon as well as my old one. my old one still does it, but the new one doesn't yet
[02:51] <cj_> :D
[02:51] <bobbicat> i've got four entries for swap all on hdb3
[02:52] <Branded_Atom> if you make a regular index.html file, and make the site.com default resolve to it, it should not show the auto generated directory, but instead that index page
[02:52] <bobbicat> three say swap sw 00
[02:52] <cpk1> jarn: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6037/ that should almost certainly work
[02:52] <jhutchins> SpAwN: Make a default index.html for site.com that's zero bytes.  You won't get an error, just a blank page.  Is that what you want?
[02:52] <hellcattrav> hi all
[02:52] <bobbicat> one says swap defaults 00
[02:52] <jhutchins> SpAwN: Or you could make it a list of possible hopepaegs for th users.
[02:53] <jarn> cpk1: Thanks. :D
[02:53] <SpAwN> hmm let me try this
[02:53] <bobbicat> and i see the umask on ntfs windows partition is 022 - i thought it should be 0222
[02:54] <SpAwN> the blank index.html made it so it doesnt list the contents of the folder
[02:54] <Branded_Atom> thats what you want right spawn?
[02:55] <SpAwN> basicly. i guess ill just make one that says somthing clever
[02:55] <SpAwN> instead of a blank white page
[02:55] <Branded_Atom> i don't know what you were looking for if not that?
[02:55] <cpk1> jarn: did that work for you? do a test with 3-5 files first to make sure it works correctly
[02:56] <jarn> cpk1: How do I run it?
[02:56] <SpAwN> Branded_Atom, well seince ive added theose 2 lines i put in pastebin in my conf my site.com/~user/ link no longer works...says Forbidden which is what i wanted to do....only not for the users....only for the /var/www......as the users files are in ~/public_html
[02:57] <cpk1> jarn: first, you need to edit it so it matches your information instead of mine then make it an executable
[02:57] <jarn> cpk1: Yeah.
[02:57] <jarn> cpk1: What do I edit? Just the directory names?
[02:57] <cpk1> jarn: yeah
[02:58] <jarn> That is this folder supposed to be: my $file= "/home/cpk1/Movies/SATC_Season1/"
[02:58] <bobbicat> can i edit fstab in kate?
[02:58] <jarn> Where it outputs to?
[02:58] <jarn> Er, what is, not that is.
[02:59] <underdog5004> anyone know what /etc/aliases.db is?
[02:59] <cpk1> jarn: umm sure, I did this a very long time ago =D perl is not known for its readability
[03:00] <cpk1> like i said jarn copy 5 files or so and do a test with them first
[03:00] <jarn> cpk1: How do I run it now that I've put in my information? Will something like "massconvert *.wma" work?
[03:00] <jarn> massconvert is what I named the executable.
[03:01] <cpk1> jarn: ./massconvert if thats the name of the file
[03:01] <cpk1> oh, you might need the *.wma
[03:01] <jarn> Well, it's in my bin, so I don't need ./
[03:02] <cpk1> yeah try massconvert *.wma
[03:02] <cpk1> i mkae no promises
[03:03] <jarn> Hrm.
[03:03] <cpk1> strict and warnings are on so it will probably say all sorts of junk
[03:04] <cpk1> if doesnt work try turning off strict
[03:04] <jarn> Okay.
[03:04] <cpk1> was there an error?
[03:04] <jarn> Yes.
[03:05] <jarn> And there still is.
[03:05] <cpk1> what is it?
[03:05] <jarn>  /home/jarn/andreas_music/converts/10: I/O error occured
[03:05] <jarn> It's having trouble with the spaces in the name, I think.
[03:05] <word> anyone know the device location for the cdrom drive on feisty?
[03:06] <jarn> Because the name is '10 Sun King.mp3'.
[03:06] <cpk1> jarn: does it says its encoding?
[03:06] <jarn> No.
[03:06] <jarn> Well.
[03:06] <jarn> The text from the script does.
[03:06] <cpk1> ok
[03:06] <jarn> But ffpmeg erros with that.
[03:06] <jarn> And doesn't encode.
[03:06] <Admiral_Chicago> word: it's in /etc/fstab
[03:06] <cpk1> so its an ffmpeg error?
[03:07] <jarn> Yep.
[03:07] <jarn> And yep, it's the spaces.
[03:07] <jarn> I renamed it with underscores and it worked.
[03:07] <cpk1> so my script works?
[03:07] <word> Admiral_Chicago: I'm asking because it isn't and i need to change it from hdc which I hope it's not...
[03:07] <jarn> As long as there's no spaces in the name.
[03:07] <Admiral_Chicago> word: hmm, not sure, maybe someone can answer in the Feisty support channel. #ubuntu+1
[03:08] <cpk1> well i dont name my files with spaces =)
[03:08] <jarn> How do I edit it to accept spaces?
[03:08] <jarn> I do. :P
[03:09] <cpk1> hmm good question, this was supposed to be a very simple script though =P
[03:09] <jarn> If you don
[03:09] <jarn> If you don't want to help anymore, I understand.
[03:09] <jarn> This was a lot of help.
[03:10] <cpk1> jarn: using search and replace before and after might work, give me a second here
[03:10] <jarn> I got it to work.
[03:11] <jarn> Only now they didn't encode right.
[03:11] <jarn> Actually, I think it's just the song.
[03:11] <jarn> Because one works.
[03:11] <jarn> And one doesn't.
[03:14] <Thrallie> o_O
[03:15] <cpk1> once again, problem with the script of ffmpeg?
[03:15] <snowrichard> hello
[03:15] <jarn> Hrm.
[03:15] <jarn> Actually, it's the script.
[03:15] <jarn> When I manually run ffmpeg on it, it works.
[03:16] <cpk1> doesnt work how?
[03:16] <jarn> Oh wait. I see what the problem is.
[03:17] <jarn> The file name had a ' in it.
[03:17] <jarn> And the way I got around the problem of the spaces was putting ' around the vars in the script.
[03:17] <jarn> It was not encoding one song, but I figured out why.
[03:18] <jarn> Don't know how to fix it, but I know why.
[03:18] <cpk1> i thought i already had quotes...
[03:18] <cpk1> use double quotes
[03:18] <jarn> system("ffmpeg -i ""$file"" ""$tmp""");
[03:18] <jarn> Like that?
[03:19] <Thrallie> http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/4/4f/Jewbuntu.png/400px-Jewbuntu.png
[03:19] <jarn> At first there was nothing there.
[03:19] <cpk1> jarn: or you could just use krename to change the spaces to _ and then after encoding change the _ to spaces, double quotes as in "
[03:19] <cpk1> so "$file"
[03:20] <jarn> cpk1: That gives a syntax error.
[03:20] <cpk1> jarn: is strict on?
[03:20] <jarn> cpk1: No.
[03:21] <cpk1> bah
[03:21] <cpk1> well using krename I think is an easy and viable solution
[03:22] <jarn> cpk1: Okay.
[03:22] <jarn> cpk1: Thanks.
[03:22] <cpk1> you can tell it to find   and replace it with _ and then afterwards tell it to replace _ with
[03:22] <cpk1> so you will be able to mass rename quickly
[03:23] <cpk1> jarn: sorry the script wasnt *as* useful but I avoid spaces like the plague because its annoying having to use \ all the time, and I didnt make it to share with the world ya know +p
[03:23] <jarn> cpk1: No biggie. Thanks a lot!
[03:24] <jarn> cpk1: I avoid spaces in all but the names of my music.
[03:24] <jarn> cpk1: But \ never bothers me because I autocomplete everything. :P
[03:24] <cpk1> when you have alot that start similarly you need to type it out =(
[03:25] <cpk1> jarn: but i think krename still keeps it all really automated right? so you wont get slowed down too much there
[03:25] <jarn> cpk1: Indeed.
[03:26] <cpk1> just happy my script worked, I was using it to convert stuff to ntsc-dvd format but thankfully hardly anything needs to be changed to switch it to wma-mp3
[03:26] <jarn> cpk1: Some of them give stream erros, which is a shame, but that's ffmpeg, not your script.
[03:27] <jarn> cpk1: Thanks a lot. :D
[03:29] <cpk1> ffmpeg is simply the easiest app i know that does most everything media related, there are most likely others out there that dont try to do as much and might be better suited for your case jarn
[03:30] <jarn> cpk1: Do you know what this error is? This is the error I get:  overflow in spectral RLE, ignoring Error while decoding stream #0.0
[03:30] <margis> can i play  lineage on kubuntu?
[03:31] <margis> which other  games i can?
[03:31] <margis> any link with list?
[03:31] <Jucato> !games
[03:31] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[03:31] <cpk1> jarn: does it error out or keep going?
[03:32] <jarn> cpk1: The rest encode, that one doesn't. There were a few that did that. I may just do this in Windows, Windows SHOULD be able to handle wma. :P
[03:32] <flaccid> ciao
[03:33] <margis> any mmorpg  for  linux?
[03:33] <Jucato> afaik, you can play WoW and Guild Wars. not really sure
[03:34] <cpk1> wow should be really easy
[03:34] <margis> guild wars? what is this? is it good?
[03:35] <Jucato> margis: Google it :)
[03:35] <Admiral_Chicago> it's supposed to be very good
[03:36] <jarn> Guild Wars is awesome.
[03:36] <margis> link?
[03:37] <cpk1> i have guild wars lying around somewhere...
[03:37] <cpk1> it works well on wine?
[03:37] <margis> ok i found it
[03:37] <jarn> It works VERY well in Wine.
[03:37] <margis> it  is  commercial? i must  pay?   any free  servers?
[03:37] <jarn> It's not pay per month.
[03:37] <jarn> But it is commercial.
[03:37] <jarn> You buy it but then you have it for life.
[03:38] <jarn> cpk1: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283122
[03:38] <cpk1> but the expansion packs are priced as a brand new game
[03:38] <Jucato> of course you'd need to buy the expansions too (if you want them)
[03:38] <margis> ok thank  u
[03:40] <cpk1> jarn: hrmm i would have preferred to just do wine installguildwars.exe =P
[03:41] <jarn> cpk1: No can do, Guild Wars uses a 32-bit mouse and Wine doesn't support that.
[03:41] <jarn> cpk1: But there's a script there that all you have to do is run.
[03:42] <hellcattrav> guildwars is alright
[03:44] <crosscut> hello all, does anyone know why knetworkmanager would not scan wireless networks but network-manager in gnome does
[03:45] <crosscut> iwlist eth1 scan works from command line
[03:47] <snowrichard> hello
[03:47] <snowrichard> can someone go to http://schizophrenicprogrammer.info and see if the radio station link works ok for them? just set up a new shoutcast server acct.
[03:47] <hellcattrav> cos knetworkmanager is weird
[03:48] <cpk1> jarn: interestingly cedega says nothing about the mouse
[03:49] <jarn> cpk1: Cedega probably supports 32-bit cursors.
[03:49] <crosscut> knetworkmanager is weird eh? that helps
[03:49] <[R] eaper> anyone can tell me what is wrong here? http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/168/instantnea1ya0.jpg
[03:49] <crosscut> anything better to use?
[03:56] <mystery_> isn't glxgears supposed to print out frame information? mine just sits there doing nothing... just showing the pic of turnin gears
[03:57] <Biovore> mystery_: glxgears -printfps
[03:57] <hellcattrav> sorry, its just faulty at times
[03:58] <hellcattrav> knetworkmanager doesn't seem to connect all the time
[03:58] <hellcattrav> ive found that its best to have a wired connection
[04:01] <draik> If I have winxp on a diff partition on the same hdd, can I use vmware to use that partition?
[04:02] <bur[n] er_> draik: yes, but you have to make a second windows hardware profile that you boot
[04:02] <bur[n] er_> I read a whole article devoted to this... might be on the wiki
[04:03] <draik> bur[n] er_: Happen to have a link?
[04:03] <bur[n] er_> draik: no, but I'll search quick... check the wiki... wiki.ubuntu.com
[04:04] <stunatra> ...
[04:07] <draik> bur[n] er_: What exactly would I be looking for?
[04:07] <bur[n] er_> draik: http://oopsilon.com/Running-a-Windows-Partition-in-VMware
[04:07] <bur[n] er_> I found it on digg :)
[04:08] <bur[n] er_> er... that's not it :\
[04:08] <bur[n] er_> er... i lied, that is it :)  i haven't tried it, but it looks right
[04:08] <margis> i had installed  in  my core 2 duo   kubuntu 32    should  i have installed  amd64 version?
[04:10] <bur[n] er_> margis: i think you're ok on teh 32
[04:10] <margis> ok
[04:10] <margis> another question
[04:10] <margis> i have  a  folder in the dekstop and  i cant   delete  it
[04:11] <margis> how i  can do this?
[04:11] <margis> it is lokced
[04:11] <mystery_> glxgears -printfps
[04:11] <mystery_> 113 frames in 5.2 seconds = 21.809 FPS
[04:11] <mystery_> 184 frames in 5.0 seconds = 36.683 FPS
[04:11] <mystery_> 183 frames in 5.0 seconds = 36.536 FPS
[04:12] <mystery_> i'm embarassed to print that
[04:12] <bur[n] er_> margis: delete it with sudo?
[04:12] <margis> how?
[04:12] <margis>  rw "file" ?
[04:12] <bur[n] er_> margis: what's the icon?
[04:12] <margis> rm
[04:12] <bur[n] er_> margis: sudo rm file
[04:12] <margis> it  is  folder
[04:12] <margis> with a  locker on it
[04:12] <bur[n] er_> oh... "sudo rm -rf folder"
[04:12] <bur[n] er_> you prolly just don't have permission
[04:12] <margis> why?
[04:12] <bur[n] er_> you can also run "kdesu konqueror"
[04:12] <margis> if i get in root?
[04:14] <margis> nice!!! thank u
[04:14] <margis> i deleted it
[04:14] <hellcattrav> yo
[04:14] <cpk1> mystery_: 1535 frames in 5.0 seconds = 306.765 FPS 1593 frames in 5.0 seconds = 318.599 FPS thats with an nvidia 6600
[04:14] <margis> can i  solve my  questions  here?  i have more....
[04:14] <margis> :)
[04:14] <margis> i   use  dula boot  with  windows
[04:15] <hellcattrav> i have ubuntu desktop and i want to get rid of it and just keep KDE(kubuntu) how can i do this?
[04:15] <margis> and  i have  a partition  which i use  with   both of  os  to  keep my  documents
[04:15] <Jucato> hellcattrav: try this http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[04:15] <mystery_> I'm using my friends dv9000z
[04:15] <bur[n] er_> hellcattrav: you have to remove all the packages that ubuntu entails... use adept to remove them
[04:15] <margis> i must  do  it   fat32  or  ntfs?
[04:15] <mystery_> lemme tell u the name of the vid card
[04:15] <bur[n] er_> margis: i'd do ext3... windows can read ext3 via fs-driver.org
[04:16] <bur[n] er_> but fat32 (aka vfat) would be better than ntfs
[04:16] <bur[n] er_> you cannot write ntfs reliably\
[04:16] <mystery_> geforce go 6150
[04:16] <hellcattrav> okk how would i use adept to remove them- iv only ever used it to download something?
[04:16] <margis> what is  fs-driver.org?
[04:16] <margis> when i make it   ntfs  i    can   see it
[04:16] <margis> but   can i   write  on this  safe?
[04:16] <bur[n] er_> margis: correct
[04:16] <margis> ?
[04:17] <ForgeAus> margis its a great little driver for XP
[04:17] <ForgeAus> (perhaps even 2000)
[04:17] <ForgeAus> that reads EXT2/3 partitions
[04:17] <bur[n] er_> oh...   i mean, you cannot write on ntfs safely with linux... fat or ext3 is preferred for shared data
[04:17] <hellcattrav> I typed sudo apt-get  so would this work
[04:17] <margis> yes   but  fat32    i hvae  now  and  kubuntu  cannot  see it
[04:17] <margis> have
[04:17] <bur[n] er_> hellcattrav: "sudo apt-get remove --purge packagename"
[04:18] <bur[n] er_> margis: it can.. just mount it
[04:18] <margis> do u thing  it  is  not  mounted?
[04:18] <margis> how?
[04:18] <bur[n] er_> !vfat
[04:18] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[04:18] <draik> bur[n] er_: Thanks. That's something to do.
[04:18] <ForgeAus> !fuse
[04:18] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[04:18] <bur[n] er_> draik: sure... quite the process though!
[04:18] <margis> ok ........  tell me the commant to mount it
[04:18] <ForgeAus> hmm ok well ntfs3g isn't unsafe is it?
[04:18] <draik> Is anyone else here having an issue with your monitor going black after 5 minutes of idle time?
[04:18] <ForgeAus> !ntfs3g
[04:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfs3g - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:19] <ForgeAus> !ntfs-3g
[04:19] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[04:19] <bur[n] er_> ntfs-3g has had mixed results
[04:19] <ForgeAus> oh ok thats unsafe too
[04:19] <margis> ok guys     i need a command     to  mount  it
[04:19] <hellcattrav> ok
[04:19] <margis> cna u tell me plz?
[04:19] <bur[n] er_> margis: follow the link about vfat
[04:19] <margis> ok   i will check it
[04:20] <hellcattrav> Bur[n] er: if i type in ubuntudesktop that wouldn't mess anything up would it?
[04:20] <bur[n] er_> hellcattrav: it wont' do anything... if you type ubuntu-desktop... it will not mess it up
[04:20] <cpk1> hellcattrav: read what it says its going to do
[04:21] <ForgeAus> vfat is easy mostly just requires the mount command (generally in su mode and possibly a directory created before it to mount it too.. )
[04:21] <margis> s of Ubuntu 6.04 (Dapper Drake) there is slightly more NTFS writing support
[04:21] <margis> through a very experimental NTFS FUSE module. Using this seems to work but
[04:21] <margis> is NOT recommended. Do you want to use this? [no] 
[04:21] <margis> waht is this?
[04:21] <intelikey> gee  linux is really lacking in the graphics department !
[04:21] <margis> what?
[04:21] <bur[n] er_> hellcattrav: use "sudo apt-get remove packagename -s" to do a pretend remove and see what it will do
[04:21] <ForgeAus> margis if you have a fat32 partition don't worry about NTFS its a different format
[04:21] <cpk1> if you use aptitude it will tell you what it will do then ask yes or no
[04:21] <margis> ok
[04:21] <margis> what i tell here ?
[04:22] <margis> yes or no?
[04:22] <ForgeAus> !vfat
[04:22] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[04:22] <ForgeAus> generally linux will have a list of your drives and partitions already
[04:22] <margis> All windows and mac partitions will now be mounted every time you boot
[04:22] <margis> You do not need to reboot, the partitions are mounted now too
[04:22] <margis> ok now
[04:22] <margis> thanks  all of u
[04:23] <ForgeAus> all you have to do is tell it which ones to mount and where
[04:23] <intelikey> this is outrages.  linux can't even handle one image file....
[04:23] <intelikey> windows 95 could/can open 30 of them at a time but linux needs more ram...
[04:23] <ForgeAus> image? what kind of image, a picture or some kind of drive image?
[04:24] <intelikey> .tiff
[04:24] <intelikey> i also converted to .bmp
[04:24] <margis> cna i  change hteir names?   form hd1 to  hard disk?
[04:24] <margis> or not?
[04:24] <margis> can ....their  (sorry)
[04:25] <intelikey> linux can't open a 600k .tiff nor it's 11m .bmp counter part.
[04:25] <intelikey> and i just had 30 of them open in win95 to convert them all to bmp.
[04:25] <intelikey> 30 at one time.   same box.
[04:26] <stunatra> who still uses win95? LOL
[04:26] <intelikey> stunatra who still uses windows period ?
[04:26] <ForgeAus> I still have win98
[04:26] <stunatra> newbs do
[04:26] <cpk1> intelikey: i dont seem to have a problem with targas
[04:27] <cpk1> the targas i have are 5mB
[04:27] <intelikey> cpk1 how much ram do you have ?
[04:27] <cpk1> 1.25gB heh
[04:27] <intelikey> yeah.
[04:27] <intelikey> i've got the .25 part of that
[04:28] <cpk1> =\
[04:28] <intelikey> it seems that linux needs about a gig to view one image where windows can edit 30 of them in 25% of that.
[04:29] <Biovore> intelikey: ?
[04:29] <intelikey> that's not good.
[04:30] <intelikey> so doing the math  windows was 120 times better at viewing/editing images 12 years ago than linux is today...
[04:31] <jbranco> one of my computers running linux only has 256m of memory and I don't have a problem
[04:31] <unix_infidel> intelikey: that math seems odd to me.
[04:31] <unix_infidel> i'd need a citation to believe you.
[04:32] <intelikey> jbranco i don't have a problem editing a 20k .png icon either.
[04:32] <intelikey> unix_infidel scroll up ^
[04:32] <unix_infidel> and it'd have to be like comittee that DEVELOPED img formates.
[04:32] <dennister> hey ppl...can't stay, but will be back 2morrow, i'm sure
[04:33] <unix_infidel> intelikey: you're test case is neither standardized or documenented...
[04:33] <unix_infidel> what reason do i have to believe you.
[04:33] <intelikey> unix_infidel none what so ever.    why should i care whether you believe me or not?
[04:34] <intelikey> short answer i shouldn't.
[04:34] <intelikey> and dont.
[04:34] <unix_infidel> heh, because you just made an outrageous claim about the OS many of us use in here.
[04:34] <unix_infidel> come back with some cites, it might actually be constructive rhetoric.
[04:35] <intelikey> go to any state.gov site dl the county maps and start editing them.   then you can see for your self.
[04:36] <jbranco> on my celeron/256m linux box i can view plenty of pics from my digital camera(whihc are quite large), surf the web, listen to music, and whatever else no problem
[04:36] <jbranco> which*
[04:37] <intelikey> jbranco yes i've viewed pic's from camera too.    and you should be able to open the whole memory stick full of pictures on that system
[04:37] <intelikey> but you can't
[04:38] <hellcattrav> ok
[04:38] <hellcattrav> no idid
[04:38] <jbranco> do you have links of certain pictures you are having trouble with?
[04:38] <hellcattrav> thnaks
[04:38] <intelikey> jbranco i'll get it for you.  busy right now, give me a few.
[04:39] <specialbuddy> do I have to get vncserver in order to use vncviewer?  Remote Desktop is on the computer by default but I don't see how it will work without vncserver.
[04:39] <jbranco> ok
[04:39] <Biovore> specialbuddy: vncviewer is a sperate program.. there  not related
[04:40] <specialbuddy> I think they are related because usually viewer is used to with the server
[04:43] <intelikey> jbranco here pick one.  http://www.arkansashighways.com/search2.htm
[04:44] <jbranco> k
[04:46] <intelikey> jbranco get the tiff format  i think they have pdf also.
[04:46] <jbranco> i downloaded a 4mb saline county map
[04:46] <jbranco> .tiif
[04:46] <jbranco> no probs
[04:47] <jbranco> while chatting, watching a dvd, surfin web, and checking e-mail
[04:47] <intelikey> jbranco no probs as in it down loaded ok or what ?
[04:47] <jbranco> i opened it, it opened in about 1-2 seconds
[04:48] <jbranco> viewed it fine
[04:48] <intelikey> box specs ?
[04:48] <jbranco> 2.66ghz celeron/256megs of ram
[04:49] <jbranco> 7200rpm hdd
[04:49] <intelikey> and you are telling me that it didn't start swapping on that 256m of ram ?
[04:50] <jbranco> swapping?
[04:50] <intelikey> jbranco maybe i haven't tried the right app yet.  what did you open it with ?
[04:50] <jbranco> <--- newb sry
[04:51] <jbranco> i opened that particular file with gewnview
[04:51] <jbranco> gwenview*
[04:52] <jbranco> tried it?
[04:53] <intelikey> installing
[04:53] <jbranco> you using kubuntu?
[04:53] <intelikey> tried everything else i could find.
[04:55] <intelikey> gthumb kviewimage gimp ooDraw kpaint xpaint paul imageMagic and others...
[04:55] <intelikey> jbranco not really.  ubuntu + kde
[04:55] <jbranco> oh ok, i was just wondering because it comes with kubuntu
[04:56] <intelikey> tried it on two boxes both with 256m ram   neither will open an 800k .tiff image  in less than 5minutes.
[04:56] <jbranco> also, i'm sure other people have different opinions then mine, but i have found that kubuntu seems to run a little better/faster then ubuntu on my machines
[04:57] <cpk1> intelikey: shouldnt there be no problem since you have a swap file too?
[04:58] <intelikey> with tones of swapping.   so i rebooted the slower machine to win95 and opened 30 of them at a time then saved them as .bmp    they translate to about 10m .bmp files.    it swapped some but went pretty quick   very little waiting.
[04:58] <cpk1> wierd
[04:58] <jbranco> yea, i find that strange also, i was trying to duplicate his problem but couldn't
[04:59] <intelikey> cpk1 one stinking .tiff file less than one meg in size should NEVER need more than 200m of ram.
[04:59] <cpk1> i have too much ram to duplicate
[04:59] <jbranco> i have actually noticed an increase in performance from my machines when i switched to gnu/linux
[04:59] <intelikey> and this 256m box runs with 200+m free most of the time.
[04:59] <jbranco> came from winxp
[05:00] <intelikey> jbranco yeah imo xp is dog slow.
[05:01] <jbranco> it has been such a long time since i used win95 and at the time i was probably running 64megs so i can't really compare
[05:01] <Dr_willis> XP = eXtra Patience needed
[05:01] <jbranco> lol
[05:01] <Dr_willis> XP is so messed up on my machine.. i need to fix it badly...
[05:02] <Dr_willis> but its such a hassle to get back up to speed with it.
[05:02] <Dr_willis> worse  then linux in so many ways..
[05:02] <intelikey> i know i'm using old "junk" hardware  but still there is no excuse for linux to be that far behind on image manipulation    no excuse at all.
[05:02] <Dr_willis> install the os.. (whoich takes longer) get the nvidia drivers.. install/reboot/ reboot a dozen more times for all the other hardware...
[05:03] <intelikey> the system i'm running is less than a year old.  but i used 12 year old windows to do what i couldn't do in linux....
[05:04] <Dr_willis> sorry intelikey  i just got here.. no idea what you are ranting about. :)
[05:05] <snowrichard> hi
[05:05] <Dr_willis> hi
[05:05] <jbranco> he is talking about opening and viewing tif files
[05:06] <gregd> jbranco: what type of tiff encoding?
[05:06] <intelikey> large .tiff
[05:06] <Dr_willis> i cant say that ive got any tiffs to even check
[05:07] <jbranco> http://www.arkansashighways.com/Maps/Counties/621711.tif
[05:07] <intelikey> try a 12m .bmp  that will suffice.
[05:07] <jbranco> that is a 4m one
[05:07] <sampan> tiffs take a while to open on my xp laptop too ... but 150 meg files are slow to load i guess
[05:08] <Dr_willis> i found a honking Huge pdf image (map of the state) that brought XP and Linux to a crawl. :)
[05:08] <Dr_willis> but it was a amazing map.
[05:08] <Dr_willis> too bad it waent truely interactive
[05:08] <gregd> like specs, fax level 4 encoded tiffs are not well supported by libtiff
[05:09] <Dr_willis> 621711.tif takes about 3 secs (by my count) to open
[05:09] <lonewolf1066> Stupid question, used to XP, how do you switch between tabs in Firefox in Ubuntu?
[05:09] <gregd> you can use kfax for em, uses progressive loading scheme
[05:09] <gregd> lonewolf1066: same way
[05:10] <gregd> ctrl pgup/pgdown will do it too
[05:10] <lonewolf1066> gregd: Thanks, ,forgot the crtl pgup/pgdown. Ctrl-Tab was switching between desktops
 tiffs take a while to open on my xp laptop too ... but 150 meg files are slow to load i guess <<< that's kinda the way i was thinking.   cause i would have to turn on swap on this box to open one 800k .tiff file   (had over 200m free befor trying it)    but then i rebooted to win95 and opened over 30 of the things in less time that it takes gimp to come up empty.    "i was like what the hell is wrong with linux ?"
[05:11] <gregd> intelikey: what kind of images? res, bit depth, encoding?
[05:11] <sampan> intelikey  yeah, but i was saying it all depends on the .tif files -- mine are 16bbp with layers ... and 150 megs in size.  your arkansas map opens for me (only 512 ram) in under a second
[05:12] <sampan> i click and it opens instantly in konq
[05:13] <sampan> same in gwenview too
[05:14] <cntb> how do I fsck a root partition from recue cd - installer env ?
[05:14] <cntb> *rescue
 intelikey  yeah, but i was saying it all depends on the .tif files --.... <<< yes but they were the same 33 file   the same box   only the os/apps changed.   linux can't open any one of them.  win95 opens them all at the same time.....
[05:15] <cntb> hi intelikey
[05:16] <sampan> intelikey  i understand the issue ... my experience is quite different though.  windows and linux seem about the same on images. only slowdowns i get are when i'm opening HUGE tif files and that's because they are just so large.
[05:16] <intelikey> cntb sudo fsck /dev/hda1         hda1 is only an example.  use the right address.
[05:16] <jbranco> use win95 then, if gnu/linux can't do what you want then no use using it then
[05:17] <Dr_willis> Wowsers.. I just learned somthing new about Ubuntu/Kubuntu.. check out....
[05:18] <Dr_willis> ls -l /dev/disk/by-label/
[05:18] <Dr_willis> ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[05:18] <Dr_willis> thats MUCH easier to find out what uuid/label is then the other ways ive seen
[05:18] <cntb> intelikey: I dont recall where is fsck
[05:19] <cntb> intelikey:  now on rescue mode no paths must figure out where it is
[05:19] <cntb> wait I will "locate" on this machine
[05:19] <intelikey> jbranco interesting remark.   sounds more like "shut up and leave us alone"  but interesting just the same.    if i thought that all it was was a rant.  i would have hushed after the first post.   but i know that bring things like this to the attention of communities sometimes sparks an interest and fixes things....
[05:19] <Dr_willis> fsck would be in /sbin/ i would think
[05:19] <intelikey> cntb rescue mode has path set.
[05:19] <cntb> Dr_willis: ye
[05:20] <gregd> intelikey: since you seem to be ignoring my attempts to help you, i'll just repeat my comment that tiffs can vary in encoding. some such as fax group encoding are not well supported by libtif and benefit by using a program that can use tiled progressive loading
[05:20] <Dr_willis> Testing out SidUX in a vmware session at the moment.. :) heh
[05:20] <intelikey> shouldn't matter where it is.   the path is the same.
[05:20] <cntb> located on this system  tis /sbin but rescue mode installer env shell wont start fsck
[05:21] <cntb> and Ia mot supposed to mount fsckd system
[05:21] <cntb> So ... ?
[05:21] <intelikey> gregd but .bmp is supported isn't it ?
[05:21] <jbranco> intelikey: i did not mean to sound like that at all, i am just having trouble helping you because i can not replicate your problem while using a similiar machine. if windows95 allows you to do what you need to do and gnu/linux doesn't then you should use windows95. sorry if you took my comment the wrong way
[05:22] <intelikey> cntb ah fsck is probably not there.   e2fsck
[05:22] <scribz> hmm, autologin from console doesn't seem to work right
[05:23] <gregd> intelikey: link to the trouble file?
[05:23] <scribz> i switched off kdm to save resources
[05:23] <cntb> ok
[05:23] <sampan> gregd, the tif example he posted is just a 8bbp 2000x2000 monochrome tif ... like jbranco it opens lightning fast on my machine, which is like 3+ years old and only 512 megs of ram, so
[05:23] <intelikey> jbranco hope i didn't offend.  i seldom ever get upset at what people say.  and haven't here today.
[05:23] <cntb> tyvm inteli also on mounted is riskey so back to installer env shell for e2fsck
[05:24] <jbranco> intelikey: no i'm not offended i just wanted to explain my comment in order to avoid coming across harsh
[05:24] <intelikey> sampan i didn't post a link to a file.
[05:24] <intelikey> sampan i posted a link to a page where you can find files.
[05:24] <intelikey> someone chose that one.
[05:24] <sampan> intelikey  http://www.arkansashighways.com/Maps/Counties/621711.tif  <-- that wasn't one?
[05:24] <sampan> oh
[05:24] <intelikey> jbranco k.  np
[05:24] <jbranco> i posted a link to the file from the site he linked to me
[05:25] <sampan> i didn't see the nick that posted -- just opened the page ... gotcha
[05:25] <jbranco> it was just an example
[05:25] <intelikey> http://www.arkansashighways.com/Maps  i'm not even sure that state is the same encoding..
[05:25] <cntb> intelikey: Dr_willis. e2fsck-d alright ty
[05:26] <intelikey> try the texas maps.
[05:26] <intelikey> cntb sorry i didn't think of the scripts (fsck*) not being on the cd.
[05:26] <Dr_willis> texas is too big for us yankees to handle. ;)
[05:27] <intelikey> Dr_willis that may be the problem  :)
[05:28] <Dr_willis> Texas has garbage dumps bigger then many of the original 13 states!
[05:28] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:28] <intelikey> gregd as per the exact encoding, tell me how to get that info and i'll tell you the specifics.  i can't just open one of them and check, obviously; or i wouldn't have been ranting about it.
[05:29] <intelikey> Dr_willis yes.  and most of the therteen export their garbage to texas...  ;/
[05:29] <intelikey> some of it.
[05:30] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  and the trucks taking garbage to texas.. come back with spinich and lettus and other food stuffs... ICK!
[05:30] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:31] <intelikey> yep.
[05:32] <intelikey> well they are 'supposed' to wash them before reloading...
[05:33] <Dr_willis> heh.. yea.. wash off all the bacteria! :)
[05:33] <Dr_willis> cholera!
[05:33] <Dr_willis> we had a lot of food scares in the last 2 years or so.. spinich, green onions,  lettus, what else was there...
[05:34] <Dr_willis> there was some problem with Pumpkins in this state i recall also. so No kissing that Jack-o-lantern
[05:34] <intelikey> beef
[05:36] <gregd> intelikey: get libtiff-tools. command is tiffinfo input...
[05:38] <gregd> paste output
[05:41] <intelikey> http://pastebin.ca/358293
[05:43] <gregd> it is just like I said. just use kfax.
[05:49] <intelikey> error.   glass breaking.    due to patend reasons kfax can not handle lzw (limple ziv & welch) compressed fax files.
[05:51] <intelikey> gregd kfax will handle some of them though.  thanks for the tip there.     and the memory usage is reasonable  Mem usage: 36/249 MB (14%)
[05:51] <intelikey> before ^
[05:51] <intelikey> Mem usage: 64/249 MB (25%)
[05:51] <intelikey> after opening one of them. ^
[05:53] <siegfried__> I burned http://ubuntu-releases.cs.umn.edu/kubuntu/edgy/kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso and booted it expecting to get an installer. It looks like a live CD. Can I install from this?
[05:54] <intelikey> so am i to understand that linux in general is to disorganized to be able to share the resources/information to make image viewer work on different encoding    you need one app for one encoding and another app for another encoding of the .tiff files ?      if so linux is still more than 12 years behind on that issue.
[05:54] <intelikey> siegfried__ if you are lucky you can.  some do.
[05:54] <Dr_willis> the livecd should have an icon for a hd install.
[05:55] <Dr_willis> thats getting to be very common way of installing.. which is nice in ways.. annoying in others. :)
[05:55] <intelikey> Dr_willis and just plain fails on some specs
[05:56] <cntb> how can I hide a partition till a client  pays me ?
[05:56] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  yep. seen many a live cd that dont like my system
[05:56] <Dr_willis> 0_o
[05:56] <Dr_willis> remove the hd.. :)
[05:57] <Dr_willis> disable it in bios.. then password protect the bios?
[05:57] <Dr_willis> enctypt the thing..
[05:57] <HymnToLife> remove the superblock with dd so it can't be mounted ?
[05:57] <HymnToLife> (but be sure you know how to restore it :p)
[05:58] <intelikey> i wouldn't have anything against the live CD being the only install disk  IF, they'd set it up where you could choose text mode at boot time and the installer would run in the console...      errr actually not the installer that is on the liveCD it would need to be a good one.
[05:58] <gregd> intelikey: no. the fax encoding is obsolete. that is why it works well on windows
[05:59] <intelikey> HymnToLife nothing would keep them from using an alternate superblock       nothing but ignorance that is.
[05:59] <HymnToLife> oh, right
[05:59] <siegfried__> Is there a non-live installation disk on http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php somewhere? I did not see one. Should I be looking somewhere else?
[05:59] <HymnToLife> remove the backups too, then :p
[05:59] <HymnToLife> siegfried__, yep, it's called "Alternate"
[05:59] <intelikey> gregd linux is not usually the os that abandons things...
[06:00] <intelikey> !alternate | siegfried__
[06:00] <ubotu> siegfried__: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[06:00] <HymnToLife> yep, just look at the options for 20 years old hardware when compiling a kernel :p
[06:01] <intelikey> yes
[06:03] <intelikey> hehhe note; ***the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD***   as if the alternate CD was not a live CD    lol
[06:04] <siegfried__> Does the live Kubuntu install with lvms?
[06:06] <intelikey> installs lvm  i dont know about installing on an lvm ....
[06:07] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  technicially then every installcd has always been a live cd. :)
[06:07] <Dr_willis> i recall using the alternative consoles ages ago during text based installs..
[06:07] <intelikey> i find the desktop installer very inflexable
[06:08] <intelikey> Dr_willis yeah
[06:08] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  i do also .. seen much better installers.
[06:08] <Dr_willis> MEPIS for all its failures - had a decent installer last i used it.
[06:10] <intelikey> mdk9 had a pretty good installer graphic and text on one disk  (well there were three disks altogather but the installers were on disk#1)   it did have one bug in the mouse setup portion, had to manually refresh or the mouse didn't act right.  wouldn't mess up the installation but was annoying.   that was what 02 ?
[06:11] <intelikey> 03 maybe ?
[06:11] <Jucato> 1. Ubiquity (the installer) is very new... just started w/ Dapper. 2. The purpose of the Desktop installer is not the same as that of other GUI installers, like MEPIS'. True it could do better. Maybe it will... too early to tell
[06:13] <intelikey> Jucato ok, i'll bite.   "what is the purpose of the Desktop installer" ?
[06:14] <Jucato> intelikey: a very basic desktop install, with the defaults that are set in the Desktop/Live CD
[06:14] <szyszeja> hi
[06:15] <Jucato> it basically just copies the files in the Desktop CD, hence there are no .debs in the CD
[06:15] <szyszeja> how can i use my mp3's player
[06:15] <szyszeja> its usb
[06:15] <intelikey> Jucato are you saying the intent of the author/s is to make it as ridgid as possable ?
[06:16] <Jucato> if they wanted to make it "as rigid as possible", they wouldn't give options to partition and mount the system to partitions would it?
[06:16] <gregd> szyszeja: there may be a button labeled "play"
[06:17] <szyszeja> hi gregd
[06:18] <szyszeja> where?
[06:18] <intelikey> Jucato it would have to.   no way an installer of any os can/should just copy to hda1 ...   what do you do if they have sata or scsi drives
[06:18] <Jucato> intelikey: so it is not "as rigid as possible"
[06:19] <intelikey> dang near
[06:23] <intelikey> with the architecture that most people have, and linux kernel's capabilities.  one could write an installer that will at boot time   1 load a pseudo kernel that locks the power button the cd tray and does dd if=installationfile.img of=/dev/hda    when the copy is complete,  ejects and resets the box.
[06:24] <intelikey> actually could use tar in that equation and make the output larger than the input
[06:25] <Ertain> I can't seem to record anything with my headset.  Though I can hear stuff through the speakers when I use the mic it doesn't record.
[06:26] <intelikey> Ertain kmixer  and/or the app you are using to record   and make sure that the mic is the device that is being recorded
[06:47] <Mena> hey why cant i format to ntfs file system
[06:47] <Mena> i want to format a normal pat for a ntfs file system but i cant
[06:47] <ChaosEddie> Mena: let me guess
[06:47] <ChaosEddie> no root file system?
[06:48] <Mena> the option on Gparted And Qtparted dusable cant choose it
[06:48] <Mena> disabled*
[06:48] <Mena> i have already a partition for the root
[06:49] <Mena> CHaosEddie, so !
[06:49] <ChaosEddie> hehe, its a crazy bug.
[06:49] <ChaosEddie> i posted a blog about it on chi-ubuntu loco page. let me grab the bug report.
[06:49] <Mena> CHaosEddie,okay take you rtime
[06:50] <ChaosEddie> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/67130
[06:50] <intelikey> Mena why are you using linux to make an ntfs partition ?
[06:50] <ChaosEddie> uh if you want to see, the blog is at posingaspopular.wordpress.com
[06:50] <Mena> intelikey, bec i use Xp two
[06:50] <intelikey> Mena let xp make the partition it will install on.
[06:51] <intelikey> or at least let it format it.
[06:51] <Mena> intelikey, no problem in that
[06:51] <intelikey> ok then what ?
[06:51] <Mena> intelikey, okay but is there a bug in the program
[06:51] <Mena> gparted or qtparted
[06:51] <Mena> bec at first i was able to use it
[06:52] <Mena> since first time i install linux
[06:52] <Mena> and use it
[06:52] <ChaosEddie> Mena: it's a known bug.
[06:52] <intelikey> Mena the liveCD installer  yeah   imo the program is a bug with some good code accidently inserted into it...
[06:52] <Xoss> Mena if you want to create a dual boot with XP and linux i think you have to install XP first
[06:52] <Mena> Xoss, ok
[06:52] <intelikey> !dualboot
[06:52] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[06:52] <ChaosEddie> xoss is right
[06:53] <Mena> CHaosEddie,sure i try it befro
[06:53] <intelikey> you don't have to.  but it makes life easier
[06:53] <Mena> befor*
[06:53] <Xoss> there is a problem with the GRUB boot loader
[06:53] <Mena> intelikey , ok
[06:53] <ChaosEddie> Mena: is that doesn't work, try user supergrub
[06:53] <ChaosEddie> i think thats the name
[06:54] <Mena> ChaosEddie, no no no this is not the problem i just decide to resize Xp part then that happened
[06:54] <ChaosEddie> Mena: post your partition table plz
[06:55] <Xoss> i think gparted can format ntfs file system..
[06:55] <Mena>   /dev/hda3
[06:55] <intelikey> Mena that means use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org  and put the output of    sudo fdisk -l     there.
[06:56] <Mena> okay
[06:56] <Mena> sorry :)
[06:58] <Mena> ChaosEddie, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6062/
[06:58] <intelikey> wow   i just made a fat32 fs that windows can't use but linux can.
[06:58] <Jucato> yeah, that happens
[06:59] <ForgeAus> a windowsless fat32? wow thats wierd
[06:59] <Jucato> dunno if it's the norm or the exception....
[06:59] <ForgeAus> ok so why can't windows use it?
[06:59] <intelikey> Jucato yeah
[06:59] <ForgeAus> rofl Jucato :)
[06:59] <intelikey> ForgeAus it's not in a partition
[06:59] <ForgeAus> oh another partitionless disk?
[06:59] <intelikey> yeah
[07:00] <intelikey> all mine are.
[07:00] <ForgeAus> because you like to stick to lilo instead of going to grub?
[07:00] <Jucato> because he's just that "unique"
[07:00] <ChaosEddie> where is the windows SUPPOSED to be
[07:01] <ChaosEddie> because i dont see it in the table
[07:01] <intelikey> hey.  you know how to catch a unique rabbit ?
[07:01] <ForgeAus> no, how?
[07:01] <jim> is there a way to add the Fiesty archives to edgy's updater so I can update that way
[07:01] <intelikey> ChaosEddie it's hda3  but the lable may be wrong.
[07:02] <intelikey> ForgeAus     unique up on it...
[07:02] <Mena> ChaosEddie, no no no i dont install it yet and the partition cpuldnt be mount correct so i dedied to format it to ntfs
[07:02] <ChaosEddie> ah thats what i though
[07:02] <ForgeAus> lol
[07:02] <intelikey> ForgeAus you know how to catch a tame rabbit ?
[07:02] <adydas> how on earth do you disable bloddy dhclient for ever
[07:02] <jim> macd0na7d
[07:02] <ForgeAus> if its tame you just call it, and it comes to you no need to catch it
[07:02] <SolidSource> jim: yes, but thats for upgrding to the next distro version...and its not suggested at this current time unless you an official tester
[07:02] <intelikey> ForgeAus tame way...
[07:02] <ChaosEddie> and you tried to mount to the new ntfs hd3 and it didnt go
[07:03] <Mena> ChaosEddie, no i couldnt format it to ntfs
[07:03] <ChaosEddie> do you need a /home?
[07:03] <Mena> ChaosEddie, mean
[07:04] <ForgeAus> I'm beginning to think XP is better with fat32
[07:04] <ForgeAus> whats the point of NTFS?
[07:04] <intelikey> to give linus hell
[07:04] <Mena> ChaosEddie, u mean a root part or a /home file on root part
[07:04] <ForgeAus> a few extra permissions, filesystem compression, encryption (which I don't like anyway)...
[07:05] <ChaosEddie> i guess,
[07:05] <ForgeAus> the only benefit I'd get is a little extra space...
[07:05] <ChaosEddie> why does your ID on the table have a B
[07:05] <ChaosEddie> for hda2
[07:05] <ChaosEddie> 3*
[07:05] <intelikey> ChaosEddie bootable ?
[07:06] <intelikey> oh no i see what you are asking.
[07:06] <intelikey> that's  0b
[07:06] <ChaosEddie> my windows partition has a 7 for the id
[07:06] <ChaosEddie> but it's NTFS
[07:06] <intelikey> partition type  0b
[07:06] <ChaosEddie> intelikey: which is...
[07:06] <intelikey> win95+
[07:06] <Mena> ChaosEddie, friends when i decied to resize i formatted Xp partition and all part except the root so that what happend and i dont no way its b
[07:06] <Mena> why*
[07:07] <intelikey> Mena he's just looking at the two digit code for the partition type.
[07:08] <Mena> intelikey , ok but i realy dont know what is the function of the digit code
[07:09] <intelikey> ChaosEddie 07 is ntfs partition type   06 is win95-   05 is extended     04 is fat12   iirc.
[07:10] <intelikey> the full code is in c/fdisk
[07:10] <ForgeAus> fat12 is like floppy disks right?
[07:10] <ChaosEddie> man i suck at partitioning
[07:10] <ChaosEddie> honestly
[07:10] <ForgeAus> me too
[07:10] <ForgeAus> I always tend to mess up something
[07:11] <ForgeAus> last time I partitiones space for kubuntu I killed my win98 boot
[07:11] <ForgeAus> grr partitioneD
[07:11] <Mena> So my win95 nust be 6 or b for boot
[07:11] <Mena> must*
[07:12] <ForgeAus> I can easily fix it, but I'm more concerned that if I do that my NTLDR will be unrecoverable
[07:12] <ForgeAus> Mena what program are you using for this?
[07:12] <ozw> anyone up for a challenge?  i'm trying to get my foot pedal to work.  and i'm a serious beginner heh.
[07:12] <ForgeAus> foot pedal?
[07:13] <Mena> ForgeAus, gparted or what do you mean
[07:13] <ForgeAus> an input device for a driving game or music or something?
[07:13] <ForgeAus> wow gparted can do that?
[07:13] <Mena> hey i dont knwo what do you mean
[07:13] <ozw> yea a foot pedal...i use it for medical transcription
[07:13] <ozw> it's just a thing that sits on the floor with three buttons to play/rewind/fast-forward
[07:13] <Mena> :D
[07:14] <ozw> it was kind of a bitch to set up on windows, so i'm sure it'll be even more difficult on ubuntu
[07:14] <intelikey>  01 FAT12  04 FAT16 <32M (win95-)   05 Extended  06 FAT16  07 HPFS/NTFS  0B W95 FAT32  0C W95 FAT32 (LBA)  0E W95 FAT16 (LBA)  0F W95 Ext'd (LBA)  11 Hidden FAT12  14 Hidden FAT16 <32M  16 Hidden FAT16  17 Hidden HPFS/NTFS  1B Hidden W95 FAT32  81 Minix / old Linux  82 Linux swap / Solaris  83 Linux  BE Solaris boot   BF Solaris    E3 DOS R/O     DA Non-FS data    and the list goes on.
[07:14] <ForgeAus> well its an input device but thats all I know about it
[07:15] <ForgeAus> how does it plug in? usb? ps2?
[07:15] <Mena> inetlikey, ok
[07:15] <ForgeAus> joystick/midi port?
[07:15] <ForgeAus> COM/Serial port?
[07:15] <ozw> um.  well, its serial...but on windows i couldn't get it to work with serial so i have an extension that converts it to ps/2, and an extension that converts that to usb lol
[07:15] <Mena> inetlikey, can i install Xp now whithout touching Linux
[07:16] <ForgeAus> wow... Serial > PS2 > USB.. nice!
[07:16] <Mena> inetlikey, i mean install Xp while linux is already installed
[07:16] <ForgeAus> um if you plug it into usb I'm not sure its going to know what your plugging in... does the autodetect detect it as some type of device?
[07:16] <ozw> i think windows recognized it as a game controller/joystick
[07:17] <Mena> inetlikey, and i already had a menu for choosing between linux and Xp
[07:17] <ozw> it def detected the usb-to-serial thing, but i don't know how to check if it detected the pedal itself
[07:17] <ForgeAus> ok.. kewl
[07:17] <ozw> i don't think it has
[07:17] <intelikey> Mena not likely.   you have the partition  hda3 reserved for windows.  windows will cry if you don't give it the first primary partition of a disk.   i.e.  hda1 in your case.
[07:17] <ozw> i could try serial as well but i'm not sure how to check if it detected that either
[07:17] <ForgeAus> it doesn't DETECT serial
[07:18] <ForgeAus> you just need the driver to run it
[07:18] <ChaosEddie> ForgeAus: is there anywya to run a driver in wine
[07:18] <ForgeAus> as to what driver would be correct for it I'd have no idea
[07:18] <ozw> yea, well, i have no idea how to go about doing that heh.  it's an olympus rs23 pedal, but olympus doesn't support linux
[07:18] <Mena> inetlikey, ohh okay
[07:18] <ChaosEddie> or something crazy like that
[07:18] <ForgeAus> ChaosEddie, I have no idea
[07:18] <ozw> olympus doesn't support much at all heh
[07:18] <intelikey> Mena it's not hard to get windows to work on another primary partition.  but it is hard to get it to install there.
[07:18] <Mena> inetlikey, ok
[07:18] <ForgeAus> you could try installing it but I can't make any promises
[07:19] <ForgeAus> I've never tried to do anything like that
[07:19] <ChaosEddie> ForgeAus: i have a f-link router that wont support windows, and im trying to think of crazy ways to get it to work. google d-link is too much work
[07:19] <SolidSource> whats the command to download a repository key?
[07:19] <ForgeAus> my d-link works great with linux or windows!
[07:19] <ozw> i tried setting it up to work in wine but that didn't work out either...i'm sure because linux needs to know what it is first
[07:19] <ForgeAus> solid you need the url
[07:20] <ForgeAus> not just directory but the gpg key file
[07:20] <SolidSource> yeah thats what I'm trying to get
[07:20] <ozw> the foot pedal not working is pretty much the only thing that keeps me having to switch back to windows every night to do my work
[07:20] <ForgeAus> then theres two sudo commands (one to retrieve it, and the other to add it to the key"ring")
[07:21] <intelikey> Mena i know it's not fun but the easiest way to do what you want to do is to delete all partitions  (probably have to sudo swapoff -a first)  and make one primary partition for windows then make an extended partition and install windows in the primary letting it format c:   then install linux in the extended part.     that would be the smoothest road home.
[07:21] <ForgeAus> ozw perhaps you might want to go to a more specific channel? they might have people who can help you better
[07:21] <intelikey> ooops just a little too late.
[07:21] <SolidSource> I know those commands, I just don't have the gpg key # is
[07:21] <ForgeAus> or the other way... #linux
[07:22] <ForgeAus> solid try googling the repository name then perhaps?
[07:22] <ForgeAus> theres bound to be a reference somewhere
[07:22] <ForgeAus> or you could try http/ftp-ing the file structure and looking for the key file
[07:22] <SolidSource> yeah,,,in chinese
[07:22] <ozw> can you suggest a more specific channel?
[07:22] <ForgeAus> set your search engine to only look for english pages then
[07:23] <ozw> i really don't know where to start heh
[07:23] <adydas> anyone got a good link for setting up nvidia drivers
[07:23] <ForgeAus> ozw same here mostly... #linux might be a good place to ask for that
[07:23] <ozw> alright, thanks
[07:23] <intelikey> !ati | adydas
[07:23] <ubotu> adydas: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:23] <intelikey> does that not work for you ?
[07:23] <SolidSource> ForgeAus: thats thing...I have done all that...it doesn't come up with anything
[07:24] <ForgeAus> no .gpg or .key or whatever the extension is?
[07:24] <SolidSource> nope nothin
[07:24] <ForgeAus> and you can't download anything from that repo because it needs a key?
[07:24] <intelikey> ForgeAus sometimes key.txt
[07:24] <SolidSource> yep
[07:24] <ForgeAus> well then I have only 2 suggestions
[07:24] <ForgeAus> one find someone to translate chinese for you
[07:24] <ForgeAus> or B) use a translator!
[07:24] <ForgeAus> (like babelfish)
[07:25] <ForgeAus> run a webpage thats chinese through it and see what you come out with!
[07:25] <ForgeAus> just an idea, not sure if it will help or not
[07:25] <ForgeAus> but I Can't think of a better way
[07:26] <SolidSource> eh, I don't even know what the repository was for...
[07:26] <SolidSource> so removed it
[07:26] <SolidSource> not going through all that just to figure it out
[07:26] <ForgeAus> fair enuff
[07:27] <intelikey> it was obviously for a little while.
[07:27] <intelikey> for a few days even.
[07:27] <intelikey> :)
[07:27] <SolidSource> if you care to know what the repo is its: deb http://cle.linux.org.tw/candyz/Ubuntu/edgy amd64/
[07:27] <ForgeAus> it?
[07:27] <ForgeAus> tw... hmmm taiwan I gather
[07:28] <SolidSource> yeah
[07:28] <intelikey> looks taiwanees to me
[07:28] <ForgeAus> I don't have an amd64 mine's just an i4/5/686 ... (p4 actually)
[07:29] <intelikey> 686
[07:29] <ForgeAus> intelikey is that a condition related to knock-knees?
[07:29] <intelikey> no more related to uncle ho
[07:29] <ForgeAus> yeah but 686 is i3/4/586 compatible right?
[07:29] <intelikey> ForgeAus yes
[07:30] <intelikey> ForgeAus cat /proc/cpuinfo
[07:30] <ForgeAus> ie old or generic software with no i4/5/686 will work with the i386 vers
[07:30] <intelikey> ForgeAus cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep 'model name'       would be more readable
[07:30] <ForgeAus> (I noticed most WindowsXP cd's have an i386 folder)
[07:31] <ForgeAus> which has most of the installation files
[07:31] <ForgeAus> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz
[07:31] <ForgeAus> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz
[07:31] <SolidSource> ForgeAus: found how to get the key
[07:31] <ForgeAus> (its hyperthreaded thus it sees it like 2 processors in that respect)
[07:32] <ForgeAus> hence the dual identical result
[07:32] <ForgeAus> Solid, nice!
[07:32] <adydas> intelikey: that means nothing
[07:32] <intelikey> yes i386 builds will run on 386+ arch    while i686 builds will run with errors on 386-568   and without error on 686+   (in theory)
[07:33] <SolidSource> just used "wget http://cle.linux.org.tw/candyz/Ubuntu/candyz.key" and then "sudo apt-ket add candys.key"
[07:33] <ForgeAus> possibly excluding ia64
[07:33] <ForgeAus> Solidsource yeah basically
[07:33] <intelikey> ia64 is 686+  yes
[07:33] <ForgeAus> but you had to know the candyz.key file
[07:33] <intelikey> adydas ?
[07:34] <SolidSource> ubuntu forums had something on the exact repo
[07:35] <adydas> is there a differnce for installing nvidia drivers for kubuntu over unbuntu ?
[07:35] <provolik> Good morning to you all
[07:35] <adydas> that file you linked mes all good, but means nothing as nothing on that file is there
[07:35] <adydas> step 1)go to System and then Administration
[07:35] <intelikey> only gui apps will differ between the *buntu's adydas
[07:36] <adydas> i have no such thing
[07:36] <adydas> i dont have or can i find a synaptic package manager
[07:36] <intelikey> you can install synaptic  if you like.
[07:36] <adydas> If thats what i ahve to do to get these dam nvidia drivers going, so be it
[07:36] <adydas> !synaptic
[07:37] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[07:37] <intelikey> even using adept to install synaptic is acceptable
[07:37] <intelikey> !dpkg
[07:37] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[07:37] <adydas> hows that different than adept
[07:38] <intelikey> actually a lot smother imo.   and i'm not a gnome fan.
[07:38] <intelikey> smoother
[07:38] <SolidSource> adydas: to get nvidia driver working you have to change all the "nv" to "nvidia" in the xorg.conf file
[07:38] <adydas> yes but
[07:38] <adydas> it dont work
[07:38] <provolik> what about the installation of fonts and ttf?
[07:38] <adydas> when i reboot it dont stick
[07:38] <SolidSource> adydas: do you got kubuntu-desktop installed?
[07:38] <orkid___> how do i get rid of the fadingness in fesity?
[07:38] <gansinho> hello could anybody help me, I'm trying to compile kpilot from source and I'm having some trouble and I just can't figure out how to solve it
[07:38] <adydas> its only effective for the time i boot from console into x via start x after installing
[07:39] <orkid___> gansinho: dont ask to ask.
[07:39] <intelikey> lol yeah.    ubuntu's brain storm of having xorg reconfigure each boot  lol.....
[07:39] <adydas> SolidSource: i have a fresh install of kubuntu
[07:39] <intelikey> there are several ways to stop it tho.
[07:39] <SolidSource> adydas: just use adept/synaptic and install kubuntu-desktop package
[07:39] <adydas> 2.6.16-generic
[07:39] <adydas> im using a kde based desktop gui atm
[07:39] <adydas> that count?
[07:40] <adydas> i mean 16
[07:40] <adydas> 7
[07:40] <gansinho> orkid___: thanks,  this is the output http://pastebin.com/881930
[07:40] <SolidSource> adydas: this doesn't have anything to do with that
[07:40] <intelikey> edit the init script that's causing it     make the xorg.conf imutable     remove the first comments from the xorg.conf  (full line not just the #)   and other ways
[07:40] <SolidSource> adydas: the package ensures your settings and such....without you will have problems
[07:41] <adydas> kubuntu-desktop is already the newest version.
[07:41] <orkid___> gansinho: you can't install kpilot from the repositories?
[07:41] <Dani> hello all
[07:41] <orkid___> gansinho: are you building from SVN?
[07:42] <SolidSource> adydas: ok, what video card do you have?
[07:42] <gansinho> orkid___: yes, the one in the repo is too old and does not work propely wih kontacts
[07:42] <adydas> Nvidia 7900GT
[07:42] <gansinho> orkid___: if you are aware of some repo that has it atualized with svn it would help me a lot
[07:42] <SolidSource> adydas: and you installed the nvidia-glx package?
[07:43] <adydas> fresh install of kubuntu
[07:43] <adydas> last time i downloaded a .run file from nvidia.com
[07:43] <adydas> so i would have to say no i dont have nvidia0glx installaed
[07:43] <SolidSource> adydas: theres your problem
[07:44] <adydas> awsum, that is now installing
[07:44] <adydas> do i use that .run file after?
[07:44] <orkid___> gansinho: if you're compiling from SVN you might have errors b/c SVN is the current devel and sometimes might not work.
[07:44] <SolidSource> adydas: no
[07:44] <adydas> no files or forums ive read suggest what you just said
[07:45] <orkid___> gansinho: you might want to upgrade kontacts (or wahtever) to svn before you try to compile kpilot. but again, i don't know if this will work. mixing things together like this is asking for trouble.
[07:45] <orkid___> yo ucould just install a test setup all from SVN... but then again kde is in kde4 development so trunk in kde is version 4.
[07:45] <SolidSource> adydas: only use adept to install nvidia-glx...the reason is, not all installers know where to put files and since adept does, use it to install as much as possible
[07:46] <orkid___> i know this isn't what you'r elookin for but it might be wisest to just hold out for a proper release for kpilot that includes th support you're looking for
[07:46] <adydas> ok thats done, so i can now change nv to nvidia in x.conf?
[07:46] <gansinho> orkid___: I asked in kpilot channel, the developers said to me that updating kpilot is the only way to solve it... I just wanna know is what is happening to the make command that it is not working
[07:46] <SolidSource> adydas: no
[07:46] <intelikey> " Karbon is a vector graphics application. "   so what do you do with a vector graphics application?
[07:46] <SolidSource> adydas: restart first and then if the settings haven't worked, then change it
[07:47] <adydas> Thank you
[07:48] <orkid___> gansinho: try in kpilot channel again, it's related to the SVN as far as i can tell, the source might be messed up and simply not compile because of a problem in it
[07:48] <orkid___> that should/could be fixed by the devels
[07:48] <orkid___> try updating from svn again and recompiling perhaps it's fixed already or file a bug report (again, best to see #kpilot)
[07:49] <orkid___> it seems like an error with kpilot and not any of the compile or support tools/libs
[07:49] <gansinho> orkid___: oh thanks! I thought it could be a broken dependency, so I'll ask over there! thanks !
[07:50] <snowrichard> hi
[07:50] <SolidSource> anyone have a working skype repository? cause the official skype one doesn't seem to be signed
[07:51] <intelikey> !skype
[07:51] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[07:51] <SolidSource> lol yeah, done that
[07:52] <SolidSource> the repo keeps comming up "Failed to fetch http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/dists/stable/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.gz"
[07:52] <orkid___> gansinho: well i don't know for sure, it looks like something with libkcal, but then again, you're working with svn from kpilot so they should be able to help you out more as they're probably compiling this stuff all the time anyway (if they're devs)
[07:53] <intelikey> SolidSource at   deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free  ???
[07:53] <koriel> anyone knows why sometimes my system boots with no sound at all?
[07:54] <SolidSource> intelikey: yep
[07:55] <koriel> seeing the output of lsmod all modules are loaded but no sound
[07:56] <intelikey> SolidSource the server seems to be borked.
[07:57] <intelikey> i can't access that url  not http nor ftp
[07:57] <SolidSource> alright
[07:58] <intelikey> try   http://skype.com/go/getskype-linux-deb
[07:59] <intelikey> reverse name lookup may be the issue there...
[08:00] <intelikey> or the server may be modified and not updated with a good redirrect
[08:00] <SolidSource> its no big deal, just want the repo so it can update...trying to remove thinking from some things
[08:02] <justin_> Does anyone here use MPlayer?
[08:02] <justin_> in K?
[08:02] <SolidSource> and last....http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/edgy-seveas/Release.....package is messed up and its an official repo
[08:02] <SolidSource> justin_:use it as a plugin, but nothing more
[08:03] <justin_> What would you rather? I'm a noob, trying to find a good media player to play my avi's
[08:03] <SolidSource> I use kaffeine for AVI, MPG, etc and LinDVD for DVDs
[08:04] <justin_> Ah I need to find codecs for kaffeine then because it doesn't seem to want to play anything I have yet
[08:04] <justin_> Is that something I can find with adept?
[08:05] <SolidSource> for some, but you need w32codec which is not in the main repos
[08:05] <justin_> Ah
[08:05] <justin_> I'll try to find that guy, thanks!
[08:06] <intelikey> !restricted
[08:06] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:06] <intelikey> justin_ ^
[08:06] <SolidSource> yes but those don't say much about how to get W32codecs
[08:06] <ForgeAus> there is a reason w32codecs isn't in the offical repos
[08:07] <SolidSource> though it gives all the others you need
[08:07] <ForgeAus> but you can get it from adding others
[08:07] <intelikey> yeah the developers don't want sued
[08:07] <SolidSource> yeah, licensing....screw em
[08:07] <intelikey>           - But please use free formats if you can:
[08:07] <intelikey>           https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:08] <intelikey> and you can.
[08:08] <SolidSource> http://www.debianadmin.com/install-libdvdcss-and-w32-video-codecs-in-debian-and-ubuntu.html
[08:08] <SolidSource> that will get you w32codecs
[08:11] <intelikey> at least i had something to try to figure out.
[08:11] <SolidSource> ???
[08:12] <ForgeAus> so how different is Debian + KDE to kubuntu?
[08:13] <intelikey> ForgeAus debian stable is not as "cutting edge"  and not as buggy.
[08:13] <ForgeAus> intelikey how about debian sid?
[08:13] <intelikey> that's where the ubuntu packages come from     for the most part.
[08:13] <SolidSource> so debian + kde isn't as entertaining as kubuntu
[08:14] <intelikey> :)
[08:14] <intelikey> entertaining    :)
[08:14] <intelikey> is that what you call it when things don't work ?
[08:14] <SolidSource> it was a joke
[08:15] <intelikey> yeah sorta....      oh you mean yours was...
[08:15] <ForgeAus> lol both are :)
[08:15] <SolidSource>  :-S
[08:15] <ForgeAus> depending on your viewpoint
[08:15] <SolidSource> lol
[08:15] <ForgeAus> and of course sense of humour
[08:16] <sancho21> anybody know the most crowded ubuntu or linux mailing list?
[08:16] <intelikey> hey don't accuse me of having any sense
[08:16] <SolidSource> didn't know we were
[08:17] <intelikey> SolidSource that was aimed at ForgeAus
[08:18] <ForgeAus> wouldn't you rather dollars than sense? :)
[08:18] <intelikey> sancho21 why would you be looking for the most spamed ?
[08:18] <SolidSource> lol I was reading his mind
[08:18] <intelikey> ForgeAus actually no.
[08:18] <cntb> intelikey: can I hide partitions with password ?
[08:18] <ForgeAus> ahh so you need some sense to keep your cents?
[08:19] <intelikey> cntb grub can do that i think.
[08:19] <intelikey> ForgeAus i've meat people with more dollars than sense,  nothing i want to emulate.
[08:19] <intelikey> met
[08:23] <ForgeAus> well I don't think I should confute that one ...
[08:24] <extern> where can I find sound volume configuring app? if I remember right, it used to be in the task bar, but it's not there now
[08:24] <ForgeAus> kmix
[08:24] <extern> thanks
[08:25] <sancho21> intelikey, no I want to have my question about openssl answered since the I've been dizzy googling and trying but those things didn't satisfy me.
[08:25] <ForgeAus> so you're looking for appeasment?
[08:27] <intelikey> hmmm looks that way.
[08:27] <intelikey> sancho21 what is your "question about openssl" ?
[08:29] <sancho21> 1. What's the difference between CA.sh -newcert and CA.sh -newreq?
[08:29] <intelikey> ForgeAus sed s'should'could' ^
[08:30] <sancho21> From my conclussion postfix has self-signed certificate
[08:30] <sancho21> also ejabberd
[08:32] <intelikey> don't guess i can appease you there.
[08:32] <pfein_> any KDE-applets for working with blogger.com?
[08:32] <pfein_> DON'T MAKE ME USE FIREFOX, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!
[08:33] <ForgeAus> pfein, whats wrong with firefox?
[08:33] <SolidSource> lol, yeah whats wrong withit?
[08:33] <ForgeAus> I wouldn't dream of MAKING you if there was another option
[08:33] <ForgeAus> I'm just suprised that you have an aversion to it
[08:33] <SolidSource> I wouldn't dream of you at all
[08:33] <intelikey> i wouldn't dream of using ff   period
[08:33] <ForgeAus> most people I know LOVE firefox
[08:33] <pfein_> eh, I don't, it just kinda annoys me more than Konq, actually.
[08:34] <pfein_> KDE: The least annoying GUI on Linux, outside of OSX.
[08:34] <SolidSource> no specific reason?
[08:34] <ForgeAus> Konq is at least partially firefox compatible (you can set it to identify as firefox 1.5)
[08:34] <intelikey> it annoies me more than any web browser short of w3m
[08:35] <pfein_> yeah, though the AJAX-heavy Google sites don't work so good, blogger esp.
[08:35] <pfein_> this is my blog: http://pfein.blogspot.com/
[08:36] <extern> why is some dark colors displayed incorrectly for me? The dark areas of pictures are filled with a slightly incorrect color
[08:36] <extern> it's displayed wrong in everywhere, if it's a desktop wallpaper, or a picture on the internet
[08:36] <sancho21> Is it inpractical to create my own Certificate Authority and assign my own certificate instead of using self-assigned certificate of ssl?
[08:36] <pfein_> Yes, I blog like a 12 year old girl.
[08:37] <pfein_> sancho21: just use self-signed
[08:38] <intelikey> surfraw - a fast unix command line interface to WWW
[08:38] <justin_> Err, I tried finding w32codecs on the "http://packages.freecontrib.org/" repo and it can't connect to it
[08:39] <justin_> Is there a newer repo that would have it?
[08:39] <SolidSource> justin_: there servers seem messed up
[08:39] <sancho21> Why? Would it be better if I have certificate which my own CA assign?
[08:39] <justin_> Ah, ok I'll grab some sleep and try again tomorrow
[08:39] <SolidSource> justin_: I can send you the file, other wise thats the only place
[08:39] <SolidSource> that I know of right now
[08:39] <justin_> Hmm, how would I install it then?
[08:40] <SolidSource> its a DEB file
[08:40] <justin_> Can I still get apt to recognize it?
[08:40] <ForgeAus> actually that blog page worked for me ok in konqueror
[08:40] <ForgeAus> but then I don't know what its MEANT to look like elsewise
[08:40] <pfein_> sancho21: it's not gonna matter - anyone who trusts your CA would trust a self-signed cert.  To be honest, I've never heard of anyone creating their own CA
[08:41] <SolidSource> justin_: just use terminal and type "sudo dpkg -i --force-all FILENAME"
[08:41] <justin_> Ok SS
[08:41] <ForgeAus> looks almost the same in firefox but maybe thats because I have both installed?
[08:41] <intelikey> force-all ???
[08:41] <intelikey> what did i miss ?
[08:41] <justin_> I don't know how to grab files on here
[08:42] <SolidSource> well force all is only needed if you use 64bit
[08:42] <ForgeAus> dcc justin
[08:42] <ForgeAus> you can send/get files over IRC via DCC
[08:42] <ForgeAus> not sure what kind of support Konversation has or hasn't for it however...
[08:43] <justin_> Allright I didn't explicitly say actually how clueless I really am with this
[08:43] <justin_> irc too
[08:43] <justin_> =)
[08:43] <intelikey> /dcc send nickname file
[08:43] <justin_> Ah, thanks!
[08:43] <intelikey> /dcc get nickname file
[08:43] <nalioth> intelikey: i like ebooks
[08:43] <SolidSource> does that work even if he isn't registered?
[08:44] <intelikey> nalioth yeah.
[08:44] <SolidSource> /dcc send justin_ /media/programs/Linux/Apps/w32codecs_20060611-0.0_i386.deb
[08:44] <justin_> It doesn't recognize /DCC get
[08:44] <SolidSource> yeah DCC didn't work
[08:44] <intelikey> SolidSource i'm not sure.
[08:45] <justin_> Just /dcc brings up a new tab
[08:45] <kjean-pierre> hello every body
[08:45] <justin_> Hola
[08:45] <SolidSource> /dcc send justin_
[08:45] <SolidSource> /dcc
[08:45] <kjean-pierre> espagna?como esta?
[08:45] <SolidSource> might not work since I'm using kopete
[08:45] <justin_> Oh gotcha
[08:45] <justin_> I'll try a google search for that deb file
[08:46] <intelikey> SolidSource you registered ?
[08:46] <SolidSource> yep
[08:47] <justin_> I'm not, is that why?
[08:47] <intelikey> ummmm hmmmm SolidSource seems to be firewalled in or something.
[08:48] <extern> has anyone had any issues with fglrx after the update? it says now that direct rendering is not supported
[08:48] <sancho21> Ok then. Has anybody installed ejabberd on their local network + internet?
[08:48] <justin_> Hmm
[08:48] <SolidSource> intelikey: no, both have to be registered...cause you can't send private messages to none registered ppl either
[08:48] <justin_> Dcc won't let me grab it, I see it intelikey
[08:48] <intelikey> justin_ can you get that?
[08:49] <intelikey> SolidSource i am registered
[08:49] <justin_> Ah
[08:49] <justin_> Ok cool that worked
[08:49] <intelikey> and justin_ can dcc get.
[08:49] <intelikey> we just proved it.
[08:50] <justin_> Although I have no idea where it went.. =)
[08:50] <SolidSource> ok maybe it didn't sign me in
[08:51] <SolidSource> for some reason its not letting me sign in
[08:51] <intelikey> /msg nickserv identify password
[08:52] <daleach> I have a problem that resembles this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-166753.html
[08:53] <SolidSource> intelikey: notta
[08:53] <daleach> I got it from tryign to apt-get install all the nvidia packages
[08:53] <daleach> at same time (whoops? or is this not supposed to break it?)
[08:53] <daleach> i left out legacy
[08:54] <intelikey> SolidSource client ?
[08:54] <SolidSource> kopete
[08:55] <intelikey> that can auto identify
[08:55] <justin_> It timed out
[08:55] <SolidSource> well its set up to...
[08:55] <intelikey> i'm not sure what you need to change.
[08:55] <christene> anyone around who can help me out?
[08:55] <SolidSource> maybe, whats the question
[08:56] <SolidSource> ?
[08:56] <intelikey> yes what is the question.
[08:56] <intelikey> :)
[08:56] <christene> newb to ubuntu. k, i have a netgear wireless card in the laptop i am using and cant get it to recognize my network
[08:56] <extern> has anyone had any problems with dark images not being displayed correctly?
[08:56] <christene> i can see it but and connect but i cant pull any pages or anything else
[08:56] <intelikey> !wifi | christene
[08:56] <ubotu> christene: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:57] <intelikey> been there ?
[08:57] <justin_> Samba?
[08:57] <SolidSource> hmm, never used removable wireless cards...always go internal
[08:57] <christene> i am just clueless cause i am totally new to ubuntu
[08:57] <christene> trying the link you gave me though
[08:58] <justin_> SolidSource I can't respond, I don't know bud...
[08:58] <intelikey> well i'm clueless but for entirely different reasons
[08:58] <SolidSource> justin_: the download not go through?
[08:58] <justin_> Hehe
[08:58] <justin_> Naw it timed out
[08:58] <justin_> Not sure why
[08:58] <SolidSource> damn my connection sucks
[08:59] <SolidSource> my ISP hates their customers
[08:59] <intelikey> SolidSource can you grab that test file ?
[08:59] <justin_> I found a couple .deb files from a site somewhere, but I don't really know what to do with them?
[08:59] <justin_> Who is your isp?
[08:59] <SolidSource> intelikey: didn't see nothin come in
[08:59] <mike_> is it ok to make the ubuntu desktop a server?
[08:59] <intelikey> check tabs
[09:00] <SolidSource> justin_: some unknown local company...Readytek.net....its the only thing in my area
[09:00] <justin_> Oh, bastards
[09:00] <SolidSource> intelikey: didn't get a message
[09:00] <daleach> justin_: u know bout dpkg
[09:00] <intelikey> mike_ yeah.   most people don't want/need all the gui stuff on a server... but there is nothing wrong with it.
[09:00] <SolidSource> only go the IRC righ now
[09:01] <justin_> Ah no, but I'll try it really quick, SS gave me a command to run
[09:01] <daleach> dpkg -i
[09:01] <daleach> man dpkg for that stuff i think
[09:01] <justin_> Many thanks, lemme give it a shot
[09:01] <christene> okay still really lost. can anyone please help me?
[09:01] <SolidSource> christene: you said you can connect with the card?
[09:02] <mike_> intelikey: thanx, is there any disadvantages or advantages?
[09:02] <daleach> she prob needs to run
[09:02] <christene> i can see my router and connect to it but i cant pull any pages
[09:02] <daleach> dhcpclient wlan0 or whatever it is
[09:02] <daleach> like that
[09:02] <intelikey> mike_ depends on your security modle i suspose
[09:02] <christene> i have a netgear wg511t pcmia card. i got it cause i was told it works right out of the box in ubuntu
[09:02] <SolidSource> christene: using any kind of security features?
[09:03] <SolidSource> christene: mac filtering or wep?
[09:03] <daleach> yeah could be ur router's security
[09:03] <christene> i was using them both before, let me check to see which one i turned off
[09:04] <Ayabara> hi. any kdbg users here?
[09:04] <SolidSource> yeah, course usually it shouldn't even let you connect if the security isn't met
[09:04] <christene> now i have it setup in acl mode
[09:04] <christene> does that make a difference?
[09:04] <daleach> u prob don't want that
[09:04] <christene> should i turn it off in that case?
[09:05] <daleach> i would just to make it simple for starters in ur router settings u mean?
[09:05] <Ayabara> when I try to start kdg with "kdbg -p pid" it doesn't seem to attach to the process. "ddd -p pid" works the way it should.
[09:05] <christene> what do you mean?
[09:05] <blue|palm> Does anybody know if there exists a driver for my Canon MP160's scanner?
[09:06] <intelikey> SolidSource /exec echo boo > testfile
[09:06] <daleach> hey Ayabara what is the package for kdbg ?
[09:06] <daleach> is there one?
[09:06] <intelikey> and send it to me.  i'll see if you can send.   i'm suspecting you can't do that either
[09:06] <SolidSource> intelikey: nope
[09:07] <SolidSource> hold on
[09:08] <SolidSource> k sent
[09:08] <justin_> Ok I used dpkg to install the two deb files, w32codecs.deb and libdvdcss2, is there something else I have to do?
[09:08] <justin_> Seems like it worked
[09:08] <justin_> but Kaffeine still won't play avi's
[09:08] <SolidSource> did you install the Gstreamer plugins?
[09:09] <christene_> back, anyone there who can help me out?
[09:09] <justin_> Me SS? If so, no
[09:09] <SolidSource> you need those too
[09:09] <justin_> Oh ok
[09:09] <intelikey> SolidSource was that supposed to be empty ?
[09:09] <SolidSource> !restricted
[09:09] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:09] <SolidSource> intelikey: its just supposed to contain the work "testing"
[09:10] <newest007> hey there, ive really found that the gnome desktop top is really rubbish, im going to change to KDE, how do i do this cleanly though? last time i installed KDE alot of gnome stuff was left behind and clogged up my menus
[09:10] <intelikey> nope  nothing
[09:10] <SolidSource> well I'm going to have to kill my ISP
[09:10] <christene_> hey, can anyone please help me with my networking problem?
[09:10] <intelikey> CDCC Auto-geting file test.txt from [SolidSource] 
[09:10] <intelikey> -:- DCC Unable to create connection: No route to host
[09:11] <daleach> christene: what directions are u following
[09:11] <SolidSource> yeah, thats my ISP blocking it
[09:11] <intelikey> i got an empty inode showing that it did try.
[09:11] <christene_> i dont really have any, i was just kind of browsing and seing what i could come up with
[09:11] <Ayabara> daleach, kdbg ..
[09:11] <june> how long should a memtest usually take with a 2ghz proccessor and 2gb of ram?
[09:11] <newest007> hey there, ive really found that the gnome desktop top is really rubbish, im going to change to KDE, how do i do this cleanly though? last time i installed KDE alot of gnome stuff was left behind and clogged up my menus
[09:12] <intelikey> june how many passes ?
[09:12] <daleach> christene i woudl turn the access control list's off in the router and security off... start from there
[09:12] <SolidSource> newest007: yeah, downloading the kubuntu disc and installing from it
[09:12] <june> intelikey: honestly i have no clue, should it say that on the display somewhere? i've never run memtest before
[09:12] <christene_> i use iwconfig to see my card and i can but it still wont pull a page
[09:13] <daleach> Ayabara: i get nothing for "aptitude search kdbg"
[09:13] <daleach> i think u just solved my problem my lists are out of date or whatever?
[09:13] <mike_> june: i got a 1 gig memory and it takes a long time
[09:13] <daleach> iwconfig doesn't do it though if i remember correctly
[09:13] <daleach> so u don't need modprobe
[09:13] <daleach> u already have ur card and stuff
[09:13] <intelikey> june i did run it one time.  and if i recall there is a pass number some place lower left quarter i think
[09:13] <june> intelikey: ok, well apparently it's on test 4 pass 2?
[09:13] <daleach> guys isn't it dhclient wlan0
[09:13] <june> lemme check how many passes though
[09:13] <daleach> or somethign?
[09:14] <Ayabara> daleach, I found it in the repositories, with apt-get. don't know which repo
[09:14] <daleach> i forgot haven't done that stuff in a bit
[09:14] <christene_> yeah, i got another one today
[09:14] <daleach> Ayabara i think that's at the root of the problem with teh nvidia stuff
[09:14] <intelikey> june ok unless it finds errors it should default to 3 passes    i think
[09:15] <blue|palm> SolidSource: They dont have any linux drivers, thanks anyway
[09:16] <SolidSource> blue|palm: ok, well I never got my canon working...ended up getting a Brother all-in-one printer with networking
[09:17] <blue|palm> SolidSource: sounds like something i should do...
[09:17] <intelikey> i never could get the scanner portion of the brother all in one  to work
[09:17] <SolidSource> blue|palm: Brother makes their own linux drivers...though can be tricky to set up
[09:17] <christene_> someone please help me!
[09:17] <SolidSource> yeah, me either
[09:18] <SolidSource> scanner just didn't seem to want to accept commands from linux
[09:18] <christene_> hello?
[09:18] <june> intelikey: well it just found one error, i'm investigating a problem with my (other) computer, openGL crashes my computer now under certain conditions, i don't know exactly what causes it, i'm thinking maybe offscreen rendering.  Is it possible that might be part of it?  (it's a laptop) but i was under the impression my video memory was dedicated, not shared
[09:19] <SolidSource> christene_: have you turned you routers security off?
[09:19] <christene_> yes i have
[09:19] <christene_> no security whatsoever
[09:19] <blue|palm> SolidSource: From what ive seen hp have invested interest in linux, do they provide drivers?
[09:19] <SolidSource> christene_: hmm
[09:19] <blue|palm> Does anybody know whether hp provicde printer drivers for linux or not?
[09:20] <christene_> all my card does it blink
[09:20] <SolidSource> blue|palm: I don't know...I hate HP just as much as I hate Microsoft
[09:20] <blue|palm> SolidSource: woah...
[09:20] <SolidSource> christene_: I'm just wondering if there is need for a driver for the card...even in linux
[09:20] <blue|palm> SolidSource: I dont hate either of them, they do business... and provide good products. its just that they are expensive...
[09:20] <mike_> hi, im planning to make a email server, how do u admin it? just back-up files?
[09:21] <christene_> well, the card i have is a netgear wg511t if that tells you anything. i have no idea how to use ndiswrapper with the windoes drivers either
[09:22] <daleach> christene
[09:22] <daleach> what is ur iwconfig
[09:22] <SolidSource> blue|palm: yeah well...I have reasons, I have kind of a inside view into microsoft...and I hate HP because my products from them always broke really easily
[09:22] <daleach> is it wlan0
[09:22] <daleach> type dhclient wlan0 then try browsing
[09:22] <daleach> i couldn't remember it hehe
[09:22] <christene_> are you talking to me?
[09:22] <daleach> yes
[09:22] <christene_> oky
[09:23] <daleach> u said u saw it with iwconfig right?
[09:23] <blue|palm> SolidSource: did you work for microsoft by any chance :)
[09:23] <SolidSource> blue|palm: no, but know someone that does
[09:23] <christene_> yes, it recognizing it from what i see
[09:23] <blue|palm> SolidSource: I see... i cant really stand their policies personally
[09:23] <daleach> what dose it say
[09:23] <christene_> it comes up as a atheros card
[09:23] <daleach> as the
[09:23] <daleach> it should be somethign like wlan0
[09:23] <daleach> do u see "wlan0"
[09:23] <blue|palm> or ath0
[09:24] <daleach> christene: take whatever it is xxx0 and type dhclient xxx0 (or am i crazy guys? missing a step?)
[09:24] <christene_> there is already a pid file /var/run/dhcllient
[09:25] <xenophile7x7> ok, konversation is kicking my ass..is there a way to set auto-ops and scripts and such?
[09:25] <SolidSource> christene_: you could try using KDEs Wassistant
[09:25] <SolidSource> or Knetwork
[09:26] <christene_> right now i am using the wireless assistant 0.5.5
[09:27] <christene_> its telling me i am connected but i can never pull a page when i detached my hardline
[09:28] <christene_> going to detach it again and try
[09:28] <christene_> can you all still see what i am saying?
[09:29] <christene_> hello?
[09:29] <christene_> anyone there?
[09:29] <daleach> yes
[09:29] <xenophile7x7> christene: we can see you
[09:29] <daleach> we all see u
[09:29] <christene_> now i am confused
[09:29] <daleach> ur on wifi?
[09:29] <daleach> hehe
[09:30] <daleach> congratulatoins if u are hah
[09:30] <SolidSource> who knows....these wifi issues are why I still use WinXP on my laptop
[09:30] <christene_> okay, i can still talk but i cant pull a page on the webrowser on here
[09:31] <SolidSource> well thats strange
[09:32] <AWOSLappy> Certain fonts I use regularly are no longer working correctly in KDE-based apps; they work correctly in OOo but not Krita, KolourPaint, ...
[09:32] <christene_> this is total bullshit
[09:32] <AWOSLappy> It looks EXACTLY like Sans Serif
[09:33] <SolidSource> christene_: well,firewall might be blocking it, but I doubt it
[09:33] <AWOSLappy> Just FYI:
[09:33] <christene_> what firewall is my question. i dont have one on here and i dont think my router has one
[09:33] <AWOSLappy> !language | christene_
[09:33] <ubotu> christene_: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:34] <christene_> i'm sorry
[09:34] <SolidSource> christene_: iptables is always installed
[09:34] <christene_> just getting a little aggrivated
[09:34] <AWOSLappy> that's okay, just don't have it happen again.  it's cool :)
[09:34] <christene_> ok
[09:34] <christene_> not a problem
[09:34] <SolidSource> christene_: but I doubt its blocking
[09:35] <christene_> oh, forget it. i wanted to try this cause i've heard good things but this isnt worth it. thanx for the help all. i am going back to windows xp
[09:37] <SolidSource> christene_: yes, linux is getting close to being able to be on laptops with no problem buts its not there yet
[09:38] <christene_> i see this firsthand. nonethess i thank you for your help and anyone else who minded me bickering while i tried to work through this
[09:42] <christene_> hold on, is there anyone else using an external lappie network card on this channel?
[09:42] <daleach> christene
[09:42] <daleach> if you are on irc
[09:42] <daleach> here without the wire?
[09:42] <daleach> wirelessy?
[09:42] <daleach> its ur browser probably
[09:42] <AWOSLappy> christene_ I find that FreeBSD is easier to use when it comes to PCMCIA Network cards.
[09:43] <daleach> u have some sort of crazy proxy or something?
[09:43] <christene_> so what broswer would you recommend?
[09:43] <daleach> "sudo apt-get install firefox"
[09:43] <christene_> k
[09:43] <daleach> are u on firefox?
[09:44] <christene_> no, i was using konqueror
[09:44] <AWOSLappy> daleach she's prolly on Konqueror, which SHOULD work.
[09:44] <AWOSLappy> I don't see how Firefox would make a difference.
[09:44] <daleach> well the key there is in a clean slate ;-)
[09:44] <pCarsten> has anyone here taken Ubuntu (LPI) certification ?
[09:44] <daleach> I never had an issue with konqueror either but... i dunno
[09:45] <christene_> just used the command and i was told that the package is missing , has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
[09:45] <daleach> u might have to do
[09:45] <daleach> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[09:46] <christene_> same thing
[09:46] <daleach> oh wait so taht's not getting out to the web either then?
[09:46] <xenophile7x7> sounds like a firewall
[09:46] <xenophile7x7> router settigns perhaps?
[09:46] <daleach> ah
[09:46] <AWOSLappy> !?
[09:46] <daleach> wait christene are u at a school?
[09:46] <daleach> college?
[09:47] <christene_> no, i am at home? i live in a college town but thats about it
[09:47] <daleach> k hehe
[09:47] <daleach> as long as u don't use them for the internet access hehe
[09:47] <christene_> oh no, i'm linux challenged. not stupid
[09:47] <SolidSource> even then shouldn't have such a problem
[09:48] <daleach> well what would allow this traffic but not
[09:48] <daleach> what site are u visiting? like www.google.com ?
[09:48] <christene_> i tried that one and it keeps timing out
[09:48] <daleach> did u try like restarting the router?
[09:48] <daleach> might want to try messing with some of that
[09:49] <daleach> did u dual boot with windows try goign in there and seeing if u have access
[09:49] <daleach> sure u will but yeah
[09:49] <SolidSource> really doubt its a router problem now
[09:49] <parkerw207> hiya guys dunno if anyone could help me
[09:49] <incorrect> other than quanta what other good web dev tools are there that are qt based?
[09:50] <parkerw207> i lose wifi signal in my bedroom , and i always have done , but when i loose it with linux its ever worse
[09:50] <parkerw207> when i go and search for my router again
[09:50] <parkerw207> it doesnt find it
[09:50] <christene_> i didnt dual boot. previously i had windows xp on this machine but its to intensive to run on here. my lappie kept overheating and stalling
[09:50] <parkerw207> even if i am right next to it
[09:51] <daleach> from my experience kubuntu was more intense than my windows on my really old dino laptop
[09:51] <daleach> i used to use xfce or whatever for my laptop
[09:51] <daleach> with ubuntu
[09:52] <daleach> can someone please answer this question this time around? heh... so i get "The module Display could not be loaded." in Display - System Settings
[09:52] <christene_> with ubuntu i use less battery and the overall performance is better. thats why i wanted to switch to it
[09:52] <SolidSource> daleach: your video driver is screwed up
[09:52] <daleach> from system settings-> display.... it gives me... The diagnostics is:  blank..... possible reasons: an error occured during your last kde upgrade leaving an orphaned control module
[09:53] <daleach> yeah
[09:53] <daleach> "you have old third party modules lying aruond"
[09:53] <AWOSLappy> XFCE + Ubuntu = Xubuntu.
[09:53] <SolidSource> daleach: did you upgrade and not reinstall video driver?
[09:54] <daleach> 2 things i did.... one originally (i don't think this is the issue was tried to run nvidia bla bla.run...the one from the nvidia site.......it DIDN'T install though because was missing the kernel it needed
[09:54] <daleach> so then i did apt-get the nvidia and then got this..
[09:54] <daleach> this is a brand new kubuntu
[09:54] <SolidSource> thats why
[09:54] <SolidSource> you have 2 video drivers installed
[09:54] <daleach> all i did was really apt-get a bunch of those packages i thin
[09:55] <SolidSource> don't use nvidia's website for the driver...just apt-get
[09:55] <SolidSource> adept
[09:55] <daleach> ok i was told that
[09:55] <daleach> but
[09:55] <daleach> ok i ran update and upgrade
[09:55] <daleach> i forgot....ther'es a clean isn't there
[09:56] <SolidSource> well the only way I was able to solve such a problem when I had it was by reinstalling the entire and starting over
[09:57] <daleach> holy @#$
[09:57] <daleach> because other than doing some partition stuff..... i just copied my stuff over and moved my .rc's etc..
[09:57] <daleach> on debian i installed the nvidia off of their site
[09:58] <daleach> custom edited my xf86config
[09:58] <SolidSource> well you might be able to remove the driver from the site....
[09:58] <daleach> for my 2 widescreen monitors
[09:58] <daleach> any idea where that stuff goes?
[09:58] <incorrect> damn quanta keeps crashing
[09:58] <daleach> i know the ftp attempt failed
[09:58] <SolidSource> well, (k)ubuntu doesn't do everything exactly like debian
[09:59] <SolidSource> though the nvidia's website instruct should work...they tend not to
[09:59] <daleach> when it tried to get stuff then...once i gave kubuntu gcc and make, libc(why the heck doesn't this come with those?)....it was asking for the kernel locatoin
[09:59] <daleach> and i dind't know where that stuff was hehe so i just stopped
[09:59] <daleach> i don't THINK at that point it actually did anything
[10:00] <SolidSource> well, thats the point of using Adept and apt-get...cause it knows that stuff
[10:00] <incorrect> where does quanta store its config?
[10:01] <SolidSource> don't know...don't use
[10:02] <daleach> k i'm using adept
[10:02] <daleach> so..... i'm doing remove
[10:02] <daleach> on all nvidia
[10:02] <daleach> what does purge do?
[10:03] <SolidSource> deletes the evidence...in essence, not sure if it will catch the files installed by Nvidia's run script
[10:03] <n4cht>  what's the kde default network manager's startup command?
[10:03] <daleach> the "nv" that's listed by default on my system is NOT the nvidia drivers? that's so stupid and deceptive
[10:03] <Sekaab> Good Morning
[10:03] <daleach> yeah the downloaded stuff
[10:04] <daleach> its liek a make clean right i guess?
[10:04] <daleach> ideally knows all of where it writes to
[10:04] <adydas> dont start me on nvida drivers
[10:04] <SolidSource> don't know what the command for that is
[10:04] <daleach> don't start me on linux
[10:04] <daleach> to purge in adept u right click
[10:05] <adydas> apparantly my kernel source dont match my version of nvidia driver
[10:05] <n4cht> i had a fun little adventure with the nvidia drivers today.  i couldn't get my updated drivers to work after updating my kernel.  (same problem adydas just mentioned, actually) and then i realized -why-.
[10:05] <adydas> oh tell me
[10:05] <n4cht> i updated my kernel, but didn't reboot into said updated kernel.
[10:06] <adydas> mines booting into the new one
[10:06] <n4cht> new driver + old kernel = mistmatch.  lol.
[10:06] <SolidSource> nv is the same as using the built in driver for video in windows.....you don't get all the features until you install the official driver
[10:06] <adydas> n4cht: ok, how did you resolve it
[10:06] <adydas> got any website links you used to remedy it
[10:07] <n4cht> adydas, did you apt-get install linux-restricted-modules`-uname -r`-generic  ? (which should also update your kernel with the generic, as it's a dep for the restricted modules package.)
[10:08] <adydas> linux-restricted-modules-generic is already the newest versio
[10:08] <adydas> m
[10:08] <adydas> n
[10:08] <ismail> hey guys
[10:09] <Sekaab> morning ismail
[10:09] <n4cht> adydas, that's just plain weird then.    all i did was apt-get clean, apt-get install linux-restricted-modules`-uname -r`-generic, apt-get remove nvidia-glx, apt-get clean (one more time for good measure) and apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:09] <ismail> hows everyone doing?
[10:10] <n4cht> and then reboot into the kernel with the highest version number.
[10:10] <ismail> whats that about a kernal upgdate?
[10:10] <Sekaab> just fine, only following the discussion here
[10:11] <adydas> what version you using out of intrest there n4cht
[10:11] <adydas> 2.6.18?
[10:11] <n4cht> Linux black 2.6.17-10-386 #2 Tue Dec 5 22:26:18 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:11] <ismail> how do u get the kernal version?
[10:12] <ismail> i wanna check!
[10:12] <adydas> uname 0r
[10:12] <adydas> -r
[10:12] <n4cht> mind you, i haven't rebooted yet.
[10:12] <adydas> yeah
[10:12] <n4cht> i just use /exec -o uname -a
[10:12] <adydas> when ever i reboot it goes pearshapped
[10:12] <adydas> boots to console
[10:12] <adydas> needs a manual edit of x11.conf to change from nvidia to nv to get x back online
[10:13] <adydas> i cant understand how it installs and works, Untill i reboot
[10:13] <n4cht> i'd say it's a case of the normal "nvidia driver falling behind in versions while the kernel chugs ahead" thing that happens almost every kernel update, honestly.
[10:13] <adydas> it loads the nvidia splash screen. It shows all the stuff in the nvidia manager for KDE, shows the GPU temp and tv output. reboot and Boof
[10:13] <ismail> adydas u wanna chance the nvidia to nv?...i think u change it in the script i think
[10:14] <adydas> well no, i want to Keep it using nvidia not nv
[10:14] <daleach> what does it mean whe u have a c next to ur thing in aptitude?
[10:14] <adydas> im going back to nv to stop it screen failing
[10:14] <daleach> the linux restricked module u said...has the c
[10:14] <n4cht> daleach, i don't know.  i came to ubuntu from slackware.  i don't use gui tools.
[10:15] <daleach> if u type aptitude search
[10:15] <daleach> firefox for instance
[10:15] <daleach> inur console
[10:15] <n4cht> i'm actually only in here because i need to know the name of the default kde network manager for a network sharing wiki entry i'm writing.
[10:16] <daleach> anyway it gives u text out
[10:16] <daleach> not a gui only
[10:16] <ismail> say how do umake a programstart at log in?...
[10:22] <daleach> n4cht: i think you may have fixed all my problems :P
[10:22] <daleach> :)
[10:23] <daleach> i still get thsi junk but... gives me another image to reload into right? so i should log out and stuff
[10:23] <daleach> cross my fingers or something
[10:31] <SolidSource> anyone know what folder application icons are stored? or are they spread out all over
[10:43] <zorglu_> q. my fsck got killed by oom kernel killer during boot... i got very weird things happening with disk since i updated to edgy, like doing fsck every 2 boot. is there a page somewhere on the change made to disk mounting from dapper->edgy
[10:44] <sancho21> anybody know hardware information like Everest in Linux? So I can easily know my hardware specification
[10:47] <SolidSource> yes
[10:48] <SolidSource> kinfocenter = kinfocenter -caption "%c" %i %m
[10:48] <zorglu_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/63175 <- ok im not the only one to get the fsck bug :)
[10:48] <zorglu_> but it is a pain to boot in 30min with edgy while it was under 1min on dapper
[10:49] <SolidSource> hmm...haven't had the problem..so no idea
[10:50] <samiam010203> it defanitly should not take that long to boot the system. hum.
[10:51] <samiam010203> did you try and boot with the live disc to see how long that takes to rule out hardware issues
[10:54] <zorglu_> samiam010203: it is a bug as it was perfectly ok with dapper, and start being wrong the day i updated to edgy
[10:54] <samiam010203> i never had that problem with edgy though thats why i wounder about hardware
[10:54] <zorglu_> samiam010203: moreover other people reporting the exact same issue tends to say it is not my personnal hardware :)
[10:55] <samiam010203> true
[10:55] <samiam010203> did you try feisty yet?
[10:55] <zorglu_> one guys got a workaround "disabeling all fsck in fstab"
[10:55] <SolidSource> now that would not help...feisty = many many problems
[10:55] <samiam010203> no, im running it now very stable
[10:55] <zorglu_> samiam010203: nope :) and  i wont for the next 6month :)
[10:56] <samiam010203> fesity comes out in 2 months
[10:56] <zorglu_> my policy is update 4month after the official release date, thus major bugs got fixed
[10:56] <samiam010203> ok sounds good
[10:56] <zorglu_> but sometime it is not enougth, as my fsck issue show :)
[10:57] <samiam010203> hum.
[10:57] <samiam010203> anyone in here going to ubucon today in nyc?
[10:58] <SolidSource> if I was in NYC I would
[10:58] <samiam010203> solidsource : where are you?
[10:58] <samiam010203> im in nyc , bronx
[10:59] <SolidSource> on the other side of the country
[10:59] <samiam010203> ok
[10:59] <samiam010203> to bad
[10:59] <samiam010203> it looks like its going to be a gas i already got dressed for it
[10:59] <SolidSource> yes yes...I used to live in NYC ...but that was so long ago
[10:59] <samiam010203> what part
[11:00] <kubuntu_tester> hello folks
[11:00] <samiam010203> hello there
[11:01] <kubuntu_tester> is it possible to control access to my linuxbox from X to Y hours?
[11:02] <kubuntu_tester> example: john wants to use a pc at 11 o'clock but he cant coz the system rejects his ident/auth process
[11:05] <fernando> !grub
[11:05] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:05] <samiam010203> grand unified boot loader baby!
[11:05] <burma7> !acpi
[11:05] <ubotu> acpi: displays information on ACPI devices. In component main, is optional. Version 0.09-1 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 72 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 amd64)
[11:07] <SolidSource> I'm sure there is...just not sure how
[11:07] <SolidSource> misstype
[11:08] <SolidSource> kinda
[11:09] <SolidSource> why can't azureus just be installed with the system install....screw ktorrent
[11:11] <SolidSource> kubuntu_tester: get your question answered?
[11:11] <kubuntu_tester> SolidSource: nope
[11:11] <SolidSource> kubuntu_tester: youi go into system settings >> user management and adjust their profile
[11:12] <SolidSource> oh wait....
[11:13] <SolidSource> thats password only...
[11:14] <SolidSource> you can do it easy through a server...but thats external access only
[11:17] <kubuntu_tester> SolidSource: I'm reading cron manual
[11:18] <waylandbill> grrr. stupid wallet. what's the point if I have to keep typing my passwords anyway. >:-|
[11:19] <SolidSource> yeah...eventually it saves them
[11:20] <SolidSource> kubuntu_tester: from what I can tell that feature has yet to be implemented on a system bases
[11:21] <kubuntu_tester> SolidSource: where can I get more information about?
[11:22] <kraut> moin
[11:22] <Jiraiya> Yo
[11:23] <SolidSource> kubuntu_tester: there really isn't much...found a forum with someone who asked about same thing..but no useful responses
[11:23] <kubuntu_tester> SolidSource: oh okay, thanks
[11:23] <kubuntu_tester> I have to go now, see you!
[11:24] <hyper_ch> SolidSource: where are the system users saved?
[11:25] <SolidSource> hyper_ch: what you mean? like root?
[11:25] <lucio_> hi!
[11:25] <Jiraiya> Quand j clik sur un icon
[11:25] <Jiraiya> il me dis
[11:25] <Jiraiya> ca :
[11:25] <Jiraiya> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6082/
[11:25] <SolidSource> hyper_ch: also what are you trying to do?
[11:25] <Jiraiya> Et j'ai plusieur choix de reponse
[11:25] <Jiraiya> Mais c'est en anglais j capte que dal
[11:26] <hyper_ch> SolidSource: no, isn't there a place, a text file, that contains all system users and the groups they belong to?
[11:26] <hyper_ch> !fr | Jiraiya
[11:26] <ubotu> Jiraiya: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:26] <Jiraiya> dsl
[11:26] <Jiraiya> j croyais que j etait sur le bon chan :/
[11:27] <SolidSource> hyper_ch: don't know...only use the user manager...so I don't screw things up
[11:27] <hyper_ch> SolidSource: well, that would solve the problem of kubuntu-tester... he could then by cron "exchange" that file :)
[11:28] <SolidSource> hyper_ch: cron sets user login time quotas?
[11:28] <hyper_ch> SolidSource: no, if you have a file containing all system users... then you can make like multiple copies of it
[11:28] <waylandbill> hyper_ch: yes. /etc/group and /etc/passwd
[11:28] <hyper_ch> and delete the ones that shall not have access at some time
[11:29] <waylandbill> hyper_ch: umm no.
[11:29] <waylandbill> hyper_ch: those are shadowed. you can't edit them.
[11:29] <SolidSource> hyper_ch: oh I see...that wouldn't be exactly a good idea...too unstable
[11:29] <hyper_ch> and then you just replace the original one with your modified ones at a given time
[11:29] <hyper_ch> well, was just a thought :)
[11:30] <SolidSource> yes, but its just too unstable to do that
[11:30] <hyper_ch> waylandbill: what do you mean by "they are shadowed"?
[11:30] <waylandbill> just look into quotas. that'll do what you want.
[11:30] <SolidSource> !quota
[11:30] <ubotu> quota: implementation of the disk quota system. In component main, is optional. Version 3.13-8 (edgy), package size 393 kB, installed size 1196 kB
[11:30] <SolidSource> !userquota
[11:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about userquota - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:31] <waylandbill> hyper_ch: the system uses different files than those. The textual versions are not what the system uses.
[11:31] <SolidSource> waylandbill: I was searching specifically for quota info..couldn't find anything but requests such feature
[11:31] <hyper_ch> waylandbill: ah ok :)
[11:32] <hyper_ch> ui nice, the EU wants to Source Code of vista :)
[11:33] <hyper_ch> due to fair trade :)
[11:33] <waylandbill> I doubt they get it.
[11:34] <waylandbill> they'll just fine m$ again. :-)
[11:35] <SolidSource> waylandbill: did you mean the program "QUOTA" ?
[11:36] <hyper_ch> waylandbill: yes, up to $ 3 mio per day
[11:37] <SolidSource> far as I'm concerned..the more microsoft gets screwed, the happier I am at this point
[11:37] <waylandbill> SolidSource: I could've sworn that was how to restrict logins, but I'm mistaken.
[11:37] <SolidSource> waylandbill: no QUOTA is used for disk space restrictions
[11:38] <waylandbill> right. basically that's the only kind of restrictions I've ever wanted to use.
[11:39] <waylandbill> I've wanted to keep the daughter off the computer at night, but basically it came down to me teliing her to go to damn bed.. lol
[11:39] <hyper_ch> waylandbill: the other was looking for timely restrictosn... at certain hours of the day only certain logins can be used
[11:39] <SolidSource> well, a quota system would be easier
[11:41] <hyper_ch> why? quota is something totally different :)
[11:41] <SolidSource> not really
[11:41] <SolidSource> QUOTA the program is yes...
[11:41] <hyper_ch> ?
[11:42] <waylandbill> hyper_ch: I'm not sure why a certain user wouldn't be allowed to login at a certain time. Usually they can login anytime they want, but are restricted to only a subset of the filesystem.
[11:42] <SolidSource> but using a quota system would say you can be on for so long
[11:42] <lucio_> hi! what do i find in the dvd (http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/kubuntu/releases/dapper/release.1/) more than cd? are there repository in that i can install?
[11:42] <hyper_ch> waylandbill: that's what the other guy was asking for.... restrict user access to a certain time...
[11:42] <waylandbill> ah.
[11:43] <hyper_ch> waylandbill: if it's that what he wants then it's that what he wants :)
[11:43] <waylandbill> hehe
[11:43] <waylandbill> usually, you limit access by locking the office doors and kicking everyone out.
[11:43] <SolidSource> I understand what he wants to do....just don't know if there is a way besides setting up an individual server that they have to log into
[11:44] <hyper_ch> btw, anyone has had yet the fun of using Office 2007? Is it now totally compatible to OOo?
[11:44] <waylandbill> if you need to disable remote logins for a certain user, I'm sure there's a good argument that they shouldn't be allowed any access.
[11:44] <SolidSource> lucio_: what was your question?
[11:44] <lucio_> solid: i was wandering what's inside dvd (http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/kubuntu/releases/dapper/release.1/)
[11:44] <waylandbill> that's my two cents anyway. :-)
[11:45] <SolidSource> waylandbill: no, its just to ensure that kids aren't playing while they should be doing school work
[11:46] <SolidSource> lucio_: it contains all the CDs plus some more packages so theres less to download
[11:46] <waylandbill> SolidSource: That's what I thought it was. It's called watch them. :-)
[11:46] <hyper_ch> I prefer the CD and a self written install.sh :)
[11:47] <waylandbill> lucio_: there's a 'list' file in that directory that appears to show the package contents if that's what you mean
[11:47] <lucio_> solid: ok! ty! maybe it would be a good idea for me to get it since i've a dialup connection...
[11:47] <SolidSource> LOL
[11:47] <lucio_> saylandbill: i'm sorry... i wasn't able to find that list, i searched for it...
[11:48] <waylandbill> http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/kubuntu/releases/dapper/release.1/kubuntu-6.06.1-dvd-i386.list
[11:48] <lucio_> saylandbill: i'm really goofy... now i've seen that list! :D
[11:48] <daleach> guys been trying to get these nvidia drivers working at this point i have a bunch of images i don't know how they got there... first question is i'm on a pentium 4 ...should I be 386 ? what is 686 64 bit? k7 is amd right? how come I am able to boot into these other images?
[11:48] <waylandbill> :)
[11:48] <SolidSource> lucio_: if you plan on downloading...don't ...just buy a copy from someplace...if its the kubuntu distro Frozentech.com has it for just less than $3US with shipping
[11:49] <SolidSource> lucio_: dialup can't handle a 4GB download
[11:49] <waylandbill> lucio_: or shipit!
[11:49] <oFF-beAt> i'm using ubuntu i installed kubuntu-desktop and when i try login in with KDE i get "Could not start kstartupconfig. Check your installation."
[11:50] <daleach> I did apt-get linux-restricted my version of uname and then it got me all this... after checking after doing install nvidia-glx ..i don't know at what point i got all these but..
[11:50] <SolidSource> waylandbill: haven't used shipit...is it any cheaper?
[11:50] <lucio_> Solid: ok! (i didn't really meant to download it from dialup! :D i was thinking about some friend with adsl, but buying it maybe is a better choise! :)
[11:50] <waylandbill> SolidSource: costs nothing but you have to wait a few weeks.
[11:51] <oFF-beAt> if u r talkin abt shitit.. then they have to pay the shippin fee.. that's all
[11:51] <SolidSource> lucio_: well also, buying it ensures it will work...I have had problems in the past with downloading and writing own discs of various linux distros
[11:51] <oFF-beAt> coul b more expensive then downloadin and burnin it to a cd
[11:51] <waylandbill> lucio_: a friend on dsl would be a perfect way to acquire the CD.
[11:52] <waylandbill> proves how good a friend they are. ;-P
[11:52] <SolidSource> waylandbill: well, frozentech, it gets to me no longer than 5 days
[11:52] <SolidSource> lol
[11:52] <waylandbill> SolidSource: that's decent time.
[11:52] <SolidSource> DVD is better in my opion, but I don't have that great of a connection
[11:53] <waylandbill> yes. for bad connection, spend a little more and have them ship a DVD. I agree
[11:53] <lucio_> way: i already have the cd and kubuntu installed and working, but i've trouble any time i need some new package, due to dialup and no working modem under kubuntu... i need to download .deb with windows and then install them under kubuntu
[11:54] <SolidSource> lucio_: yeah DVD would definitely be your choice then
[11:54] <waylandbill> lucio_: oh. when I had a modem and dialup, I had an external modem.
[11:55] <daleach> is 686 64 bit?
[11:55] <waylandbill> nope.
[11:55] <daleach> what's "686"
[11:55] <rojanu> has any got experience in a acer aspire 5051
[11:56] <rojanu> I am having problems with sound and graphics
[11:56] <lucio_> wayland: it's a really boring problem that... i tried many pci or external modems... but noone worked... :|
[11:56] <daleach> and why the heck does my system get me 386+k7+686 makes no sense
[11:56] <eMish___> when i pkg has "pending installation" status, how do I make it reset this status ?
[11:56] <waylandbill> Pentium Class processor. specifcally PII and higher
[11:57] <waylandbill> daleach: you have all those kernel images installed?
[11:58] <waylandbill> lucio_: I didn't know there wasn't an external modem that didn't work.
[11:58] <zafer> selam
[11:58] <zafer> turk varm
[11:58] <daleach> is it a cyrix?
[11:58] <daleach> 686
[11:58] <daleach> ?
[11:59] <waylandbill> yup. cyrix 6x86 is one of them.
[11:59] <daleach> waylandbill: sigh yea....
[11:59] <zafer> hi all
[11:59] <waylandbill> it's a class of processors not a single one.
[12:00] <lucio_> waylandbill: serial modem i tryed didn't work... do you think an usbmodem would? i haven't tryied any usbmodem, should i try?
[12:00] <daleach> waylandbill: i actually just graduated CS so yeah i do know but.. like
[12:00] <daleach> not too familiar with like where they all diverged... the are still IA intel arch right?
[12:00] <daleach> IA32
[12:01] <SolidSource> alright you all have fun picking at each others minds....I'm sleepy
[12:01] <daleach> or am I crazy
[12:01] <waylandbill> lucio_: you couldn't communicate with a serial modem? usbmodem wouldn't do you any good then. In the end it'd look just like a serial modem.
[12:01] <daleach> but anyway i have a pentium 4 shoudl i be using the 386?
[12:02] <waylandbill> you're talking the kernel? you can use 686.
[12:02] <daleach> previous installs i used like i586 i thought but yeah ok so 686
[12:02] <lucio_> waylandbill: thank you, it really long time i have this modem problem and by now i have lost hope i will find a solution for it! :)
[12:03] <daleach> apt went nuts and i have like 8 images some k7's and 386's
[12:03] <waylandbill> 386 is mainly failsafe cause some chips won't boot 686.
[12:03] <daleach> ah ok
[12:03] <daleach> pentium 4 should be fine 686 then ok gotcha
[12:03] <daleach> not a hardware fan
[12:03] <daleach> nor a kernel hacker :(
[12:03] <daleach> hehe
[12:03] <waylandbill> looks like edgy has now "linux-generic" so they may be doing away with the k7, 686, 386 stuff anyway.
[12:04] <daleach> oh that's why he wnated me to tack a -generic on to it
[12:04] <daleach> yeah i'm stil on dapper .... when i tried edgy eft today it gave me a harder time with x even
[12:05] <waylandbill> yes. the linux-k7 says "Obsoleted by linux-generic" so they appearing to be scrapping the multiple kernel idea.
[12:05] <daleach> isn't that wack though?
[12:05] <daleach> or is it that they can't really optimize for the 3 anyway?
[12:05] <daleach> how does it work i have no idea... dothey have all 3 in 1? or just not optimize for the specific?
[12:06] <daleach> i should check out the architecture one day I guess
[12:06] <waylandbill> well, the kernel is really where you'd get the biggest gain from -march compile. that and maybe glibc.
[12:06] <Jucato> !generic
[12:06] <ubotu> Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[12:06] <daleach> thanks
[12:06] <waylandbill> Jucato: excellent.
[12:07] <waylandbill> ha.. it sounds like a speed placebo. :)
[12:09] <aliasgherman> Has anyone ever tried to interface a MODEM in kubuntu ?
[12:09] <aliasgherman> Through Minicom
[12:09] <aliasgherman> ?
[12:11] <daleach> hey waylandbill: would you say its safe to delete the *k7 and *386 in the /boot then?
[12:11] <daleach> or will that make my system implode
[12:11] <lucio_> bye all!
[12:11] <waylandbill> you could. make sure you can boot the 686 first of course
[12:11] <waylandbill> lucio_: take care
[12:11] <daleach> uname -r says *686 i'm good right?
[12:11] <Jucato> the proper way to "delete" those extra kernels would be to uninstall them
[12:12] <daleach> sigh
[12:12] <waylandbill> daleach: jucato is right cause then the grub entries will go away too
[12:12] <daleach> i thought i read that the grub read from the dir automagically or somethign
[12:12] <daleach> but ok so
[12:13] <daleach> if apt is the solution for this i suspect it won't work but i can try
[12:13] <waylandbill> why wouldn't it work?
[12:13] <daleach> k can someone please tell me what the c next to the package means
[12:13] <Jucato> technically, you "can" delete those files in /boot. but that won't really remove them from the system. there are still some stuff lying around.
[12:13] <daleach> instead of p or i
[12:13] <Jucato> daleach: where's that?
[12:13] <waylandbill> aptitude?
[12:14] <kolla> I cant get http://babelfish.altavista.com working with konqueror on kubuntu - I just get "Sorry, Bad Request. Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand." - Anyone else?
[12:14] <daleach> yes
[12:14] <daleach> adept doesn't show anything suspicious with all my files but there is
[12:14] <daleach> I haven't done this in a while where is the temp downloads and stuff
[12:14] <waylandbill> deleted but not purged.
[12:14] <daleach> i always manage to break my apt sigh...hehe
[12:14] <daleach> this isn't too bad
[12:15] <daleach> ok so
[12:15] <waylandbill> configuration files are still on the system in other words, that's why 'c'
[12:15] <daleach> ah i see
[12:15] <waylandbill> if you installed it again, it would retain the configuration.
[12:15] <daleach> so let me try some purge
[12:17] <daleach> yes here come the locks
[12:17] <crazy_penguin> Hello!
[12:18] <zorglu_> i had apt-index-watcher running every 5sec or so, i did the workaround "sudo /etc/init.d/apt-index-watcher stop". but im curious, what is the goal of apt-index-watch ?
[12:19] <Jucato>  libapt-front based application make use of some additional indexes for package informations. Unfortunately, there is no way to run hooks when an application such as apt-get or aptitude regenerates the APT package index. apt-index-watcher tries to work around this problem by periodically checking if the APT indexes have changed, and rebuilding the apt-front indexes.
[12:20] <Jucato> (from apt-cache show apt-index-watcher)
[12:20] <zorglu_> Jucato: thanks
[12:21] <Jucato> man:/apt-index-watcher also
[12:21] <zorglu_> Jucato: maybe somebody could point them a inotify :)
[12:21] <tezuo> italiani??
[12:21] <Jucato> it's APT...
[12:21] <tezuo> ^_^
[12:21] <Jucato> !it | tezuo
[12:21] <ubotu> tezuo: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:21] <tezuo> tnx
[12:34] <waylandbill> is there a switch for apt-cache to only show the package not the descriptions?
[12:35] <fdoving> waylandbill: --names-only
[12:36] <fdoving> or -n
[12:36] <waylandbill> that only affects what it searches.
[12:36] <fdoving> ah, to SHOW..
[12:36] <fdoving> no, there is no switch for that, but you can use 'cut' easily.
[12:37] <fdoving> waylandbill: apt-cache search foo|cut -d' ' -f1
[12:37] <fdoving> for example.
[12:37] <fdoving> that'll use space (' ') as a delimiter, and show the first field.
[12:37] <waylandbill> yeah. looking at the man page. thanks
[12:39] <ubuntu> hi
[12:43] <daleach> so i have all those extra images i don't need how can i "uninstall" them the proper way?
[12:44] <fdoving> what images?
[12:44] <waylandbill> kernel images
[12:45] <daleach> whoops sorry i thought i typed that word ;-)
[12:45] <daleach> my bad
[12:45] <SagaciousKJB> I have a REALLY simple question about load averages I can't find an answer for on google.
[12:45] <daleach> i'm googling but
[12:45] <waylandbill> speaking of images, is there a program that assists printing a large image over several letter sized sheets?
[12:45] <SagaciousKJB> From left to right, what do the 3 load average collumns represent?
[12:46] <waylandbill> daleach: I'd just apt-get purge the ones you don't want
[12:46] <fdoving> daleach: you can uninstall the linux-image packages you don't use.
[12:47] <daleach> fdoving: more than one person in here thinks i can
[12:47] <daleach> thing is I can't find the package these are tied to to purge though
[12:47] <fdoving> daleach: sudo dpkg -l 'linux-image*'
[12:47] <waylandbill> SagaciousKJB: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_(computing)
[12:47] <daleach> !pastebin
[12:47] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:48] <fdoving> daleach: then: sudo apt-get --purge remove {list-of-images-you-don't-use}
[12:48] <SagaciousKJB> :D  Thank you
[12:50] <daleach> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6088/
[12:50] <daleach> is what i have
[12:50] <waylandbill> oh. apt-get needs --purge.. hmm. I use aptitude. learn something new everyday. :-D
[12:50] <daleach> thanks guys
[12:50] <daleach> thanks fdoving
[12:50] <fdoving> waylandbill: it doesn't need --purge, unless you want to purge. it's similar to 'aptitude purge <pkg>'
[12:51] <waylandbill> fdoving: that's what I meant.
[12:51] <daleach> he just meant the "--"
[12:51] <daleach> hehe
[12:51] <waylandbill> I just didn't communicate it as effectively. :-)
[12:52] <fdoving> for apt-get, --purge is an option to remove, in aptitude it's it's own 'sub-command' or something like that.
[12:52] <daleach> see what's really confuysing is
[12:52] <daleach> i had to do dpkg
[12:52] <daleach> instead of... an apt search
[12:52] <daleach> right? *had* to do dpkg stuff?
[12:53] <fdoving> apt-cache search searches the apt-cache.
[12:53] <fdoving> ie. all available packages.
[12:53] <fdoving> dpkg searches installed packages.
[12:53] <daleach> oh that's the only dif? i didn't know that thanks hehe
[12:53] <fdoving> which is what you need in this case.
[12:53] <daleach> oh i see
[12:54] <daleach> no u know what i was doing ok i was searching kernel, module
[12:54] <daleach> and not image
[12:54] <daleach> hehe
[12:54] <daleach> these would've been i's in aptitude i suppose
[12:54] <fdoving> removing the image will auto-remove the rest, iirc.
[12:54] <daleach> see i found em with aptitude now
[12:54] <daleach> i gotcha thanks though good to know heh
[12:55] <fdoving> apt:/ in konqueror is nice too.
[12:55] <daleach> oh never knew that had that
[12:56] <JuJuBee> Good morning everyone...
[12:56] <daleach> yeah that's pretty awesome
[12:56] <JuJuBee> Does anybody know of a cgi-proxy that will allow https that I can put on my server?
[12:56] <waylandbill> daleach: man:/ and info:/ too. :-)
[12:58] <fdoving> the webshortcuts are nice too, wp:something -> wikipediasearch for something.
[12:58] <waylandbill> didn't know about those. those documented somewhere?
[12:58] <fdoving> hmm..
[12:58] <daleach> removing those kernel images gaveme 252 mb of space back hehe
[12:59] <fdoving> waylandbill: you can see the list and make your own in the konq settings.. not sure about docs though.
[12:59] <fdoving> waylandbill: konq -> settings -> webshortcuts
[12:59] <daleach> do u guys really use konqueror though? over firefox?
[12:59] <daleach> i had issues a while back
[12:59] <fdoving> I use konq mainly.
[12:59] <fdoving> because of the webshortcuts.
[12:59] <daleach> fdoving do u develop
[12:59] <daleach> for ubuntu?
[12:59] <fdoving> daleach: a little.
[01:00] <fdoving> for ubuntu too.
[01:00] <daleach> werd
[01:00] <waylandbill> I use konq for file management and firefox for web browsing cause of the extensions.
[01:00] <daleach> same wayland
[01:00] <daleach> actually i don't even bother with extensions lately just use it for some compatibility adn stuff..... i really like konqueror with midnight commadner though
[01:01] <daleach> frigen sweeeet
[01:01] <waylandbill> I develop, but not for ubuntu. :-)
[01:01] <daleach> me to when i'm not gettng my ass kicked by apt
[01:02] <daleach> nah its great though
[01:06] <Hobbsee> waylandbill: what do you developa?
[01:08] <waylandbill> Hobbsee: windoze applications.
[01:08] <Hobbsee> waylandbill: ick.
[01:08] <waylandbill> I'm teaching myself linux programming day by day though.
[01:09] <jay> kubuntu installed a generic kernel instead of 386 for me, I fetched the 386 kernel and headers but on each upgrade it tries 2 fetch the generic kernel again. How can I stop that?
[01:09] <fdoving> jay: you'll have to remove it.
[01:10] <fdoving> jay: 'sudo aptitude purge <packagename>
[01:10] <fdoving> '
[01:10] <waylandbill> I like Qt. It's rather easy to program with.
[01:10] <Hobbsee> jay: you want to install -generic
[01:10] <Hobbsee> jay: in almost all cases
[01:11] <waylandbill> generic is the mainstream one now. 386 is available in case the generic doesn't work for you.
[01:11] <jay> why woudl you?
[01:11] <jay> really?
[01:11] <Hobbsee> jay: because they renamed it.  smp, i believe
[01:11] <jay> I thought it was the other waay around
[01:11] <Hobbsee> no
[01:11] <waylandbill> !generic
[01:12] <ubotu> Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[01:12] <Hobbsee> oh, well, the smp might be
[01:13] <ForgeAus> QT is easy?... what kind of windows programming did you do .NET?
[01:13] <smoze> where are my sounds? amarok, kaffeine and other media software can make a sound but none of my games will...
[01:14] <waylandbill> ForgeAus: no. win32 api & mfc.
[01:15] <Hobbsee> smoze: install alsa-oss
[01:17] <crazy_bus> I'm trying to follow this guide: http://po-ru.com/diary/fixing-ffmpeg-on-ubuntu-edgy/ But when I type sudo apt-get build-dep ffmpeg I get this "E: Unable to find a source package for ffmpeg"
[01:19] <crazy_bus> Where is the ffmpeg source package?
[01:20] <Jucato> crazy_bus: make sure you have the deb-src repository for universe enabled, then "apt-get source ffmpeg"
[01:20] <dartdog> what is the server for kubuntu es?
[01:20] <Jucato> !es | dartdog
[01:20] <ubotu> dartdog: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:21] <dartdog> thanks
[01:21] <smoze> Hobbsee: ok, what is it?
[01:22] <Hobbsee> smoze: type in a console:  apt-cache show alsa-oss and read the description :)
[01:22] <Hobbsee> for reference, alsa's the stuff that's wokring, oss is the stuff that isnt
[01:22] <till> aloah
[01:22] <Hobbsee> unless it's esd, in which case i dont remember what the solution is
[01:24] <parkerw207> anyone here informed about mono ?
[01:24] <smoze> Hobbsee: ok, i'll tryy this one
[01:24] <parkerw207> !mono
[01:24] <ubotu> mono: Mono CLI (.NET) runtime. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.17.1-1ubuntu7.1 (edgy), package size 1 kB, installed size 24 kB
[01:24] <parkerw207> !mono development
[01:24] <parkerw207> hmm
[01:25] <parkerw207> does anyone know how you can install the program to develop .net programs on linux ?
[01:26] <ForgeAus> parker get monodevelop
[01:26] <parkerw207> i searched for that on adept and i couldnt find it
[01:27] <ForgeAus> you can even add system.windows.forms references (but you have to do it all in text)
[01:27] <ForgeAus> might have to add a repo
[01:27] <ForgeAus> universe?
[01:27] <parkerw207> ooo my fualt
[01:27] <ForgeAus> !monodevelop
[01:27] <ubotu> monodevelop: C#/Boo/Java/Nemerle/ILasm Development Environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1695 kB, installed size 5344 kB
[01:27] <Jucato> !monodevelop | parkerw207
[01:27] <parkerw207> i found it lol
[01:27] <ubotu> parkerw207: please see above
[01:27] <Jucato> bah :D
[01:27] <Jucato> whoa! ubotu just got smarter :)
[01:27] <ForgeAus> really?
[01:27] <parkerw207> hehe :)
[01:27] <ForgeAus> how so?
[01:28] <parkerw207> is mono good ?
[01:28] <alexicon> how can i find out what version of apache ive got
[01:28] <Jucato> ForgeAus: when I repeated the same inquiry (!monoevelop) <ubotu> parkerw207: please see above
[01:28] <alexicon> with apt, adept is busy :P
[01:29] <parkerw207> !apache  | alexicon
[01:29] <ubotu> alexicon: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[01:29] <parkerw207> ooops
[01:29] <parkerw207> ha ha ha
[01:29] <alexicon> oh cool
[01:29] <alexicon> that sounds useful too
[01:29] <parkerw207> ooo ok
[01:29] <ForgeAus> ahh yes lamp
[01:29] <parkerw207> i was just trying out that trick :P
[01:29] <alexicon> lol
[01:29] <parkerw207> ForgeAus: is mono any good ?
[01:30] <Jucato> alexicon: you can actually browse through packages in Adept even while it's still downloading/installing packages
[01:30] <ForgeAus> I'm not sure if/how monodevelop and lamp mix
[01:30] <alexicon> oh yeah Jucato?
[01:30] <ForgeAus> depends on what you mean by good I guess...
[01:30] <parkerw207> i need to make a vb.net programm for my programming coursework :P
[01:30] <ForgeAus> theres no form designer
[01:30] <Jucato> alexicon: View menu
[01:30] <alexicon> im installing flyspray, just needed to know which apache if one ive got
[01:30] <ForgeAus> but lots of stuff works
[01:30] <alexicon> hrm its greyed out
[01:30] <alexicon> guess i can open another instance
[01:31] <alexicon> hrm mebbie not lol
[01:31] <parkerw207> hmm , is it similar to visual basics ?
[01:31] <parkerw207> as in the development environment ?
[01:31] <ForgeAus> you can use it like visual basic
[01:31] <ForgeAus> at least textwise
[01:31] <parkerw207> ooo , what about creating forms ?
[01:32] <parkerw207> dont tell me i have to do it manually :O
[01:32] <alexicon> ah
[01:32] <alexicon> its dpkg -s
[01:32] <ForgeAus> you do
[01:32] <stefan> I setup on kubuntu a mysql cluster with heartbeat and want to monitor with mon. Mon should stop heartbeat on master node when mysql is not running. I dont get this to work.
[01:32] <stefan> Can someone help?
[01:33] <waylandbill> parkerw207: something tells me you like r.a.d. method of design. :-)
[01:33] <ForgeAus> you have to add the reference to windows.system.forms and then you have to make a form
[01:33] <parkerw207> r.a.d ?
[01:33] <parkerw207> visual basics is all i know lol
[01:33] <ForgeAus> wayland is there any easy visual form builder for Linux?
[01:33] <Jucato> R.A.D = Rapid Application Development
[01:33] <waylandbill> parkerw207: rapid app development. Like VB's form layout.
[01:33] <ForgeAus> its visual basic or visual basic .net
[01:34] <parkerw207> oo i do .net
[01:34] <parkerw207> but yeah i like rad
[01:34] <ForgeAus> me too to be honest
[01:34] <daleach> rad as in rational?
[01:34] <parkerw207> so how do i get to do things like the microsoft one :P
[01:34] <waylandbill> ForgeAus: I like designer (qt) for laying out forms.
[01:35] <parkerw207> hehe i'm new at programming
[01:35] <ForgeAus> hmmm sounds like something i should check out
[01:35] <waylandbill> is it "easy" .. after learning the way it works it's not bad.
[01:35] <mikmak> hello
[01:36] <ForgeAus> how hard is it to learn how it works tho?
[01:36] <parkerw207> hmm where do i go to learn lol :P i have like a week to make a maths game for children
[01:36] <waylandbill> they provide some tutorials.
[01:36] <parkerw207> it has to randomly generate questions
[01:36] <mikmak> I have a problem with USB keys which cannot be automatically mounted, it seems to be a DBUS/HAL config error somewhere but I don't know what to change exactly
[01:36] <parkerw207> then display scores and save and print hehe
[01:36] <mikmak> kded says kded: ERROR: mount failed for /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_34BB_89C9: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied - A security policy in place prevents this sender from se
[01:36] <mikmak> nding this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" de
[01:36] <mikmak> stination "org.freedesktop.Hal")
[01:37] <mikmak> anybody got an idea what to change ? (sorry for the flood)
[01:37] <ForgeAus> parker another option is eclipse
[01:38] <parkerw207> eclipse ?
[01:38] <ForgeAus> its an ide mostly java-based tho
[01:38] <waylandbill> parkerw207: an ide
[01:38] <parkerw207> ide ?
[01:38] <waylandbill> I love kdevelop.
[01:38] <fdoving> kscope is nice.
[01:38] <ForgeAus> you can plug in Python but not really VB
[01:38] <waylandbill> integrated development environment
[01:38] <parkerw207> ooo , this has to be done in vb.net
[01:38] <ForgeAus> then again I don't think you can plugin in VB to kdevelop either!
[01:39] <ForgeAus> then parker you need mono or visual studio (under windows)
[01:39] <ForgeAus> (mono under linux I meant)
[01:39] <parkerw207> oo i have it on windows :P
[01:39] <parkerw207>  just wanted to do it on linux
[01:39] <waylandbill> under windows visual studio express is free download.
[01:39] <parkerw207> things seem to work better on linux :P
[01:39] <parkerw207> yeah i got it
[01:39] <ForgeAus> ok on windows get sharpdevelop :)
[01:39] <ForgeAus> its simpler
[01:40] <parkerw207> oo ok thanks , i gtg shops now :P be back in a sec :P thanks for the help all :)
[01:40] <waylandbill> I was never able to get far with C# on linux, so I gave up trying. hehe
[01:40] <ForgeAus> I'm not into C# either
[01:40] <ForgeAus> I prefer Python
[01:40] <ubuntu> kubuntu espanol?
[01:41] <ForgeAus> seems more like Boo for .net lately tho
[01:41] <ForgeAus> both sharp develop and mono use boo instead of Python
[01:41] <ForgeAus> although there is also the option of Iron Python
[01:42] <fdoving> !es | ubuntu
[01:42] <ubotu> ubuntu: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:43] <waylandbill> boo. hmm. didn't know that existed.
[01:44] <extern> with which program can I access my mobile phone memory?
[01:46] <DHGE> extern: apt-cache search mobile
[01:46] <DHGE> |less
[01:47] <DHGE> kandy works for me
[01:48] <extern> it doesn't connect to my phone, kmobiletools connect properly. Though I want to access the files in my phone, which kandy and kmobiletools seem not to support
[01:50] <marijo> hi can anyone help me :) ?
[01:51] <yossir> Hi. Why would one want to install Kubuntu over Ubuntu?
[01:51] <yossir> what are the advantages?
[01:51] <alexicon> if you prefer kde over gnome
[01:51] <DHGE> extern: U might ask in #kpilot to get some advice
[01:51] <alexicon> personally i like adept much better than synaptic package management too
[01:52] <yossir> why would one prefer KDE over Gnome? what are the advantages? :)
[01:52] <marijo> plesae people i need help with wallet
[01:52] <eeos> hi there
[01:52] <alexicon> kde is much much more configurable
[01:52] <alexicon> gnome is pretty basic, clean design, but cant do much with it ultimately
[01:52] <alexicon> just a different look really
[01:52] <DHGE> yossir: a matter of taste IMO
[01:52] <alexicon> i prefer kde tools over gnome ones.
[01:52] <alexicon> worth trying out both livecds to see what suits you better
[01:53] <mauro> i like KDE a lot more than GNOME
[01:53] <yossir> I don't know, KDE seemed way too bouncy and flashy when I tried Kubuntu-desktop
[01:53] <DHGE> yossir: I use some gnome apps in KDE - it only cost HD-space
[01:53] <soulrider> yossir: really ?
[01:53] <Jucato> yossir: you can always tone it down
[01:53] <yossir> soulrider: there's a lot more going on graphically then in default Ubuntu.
[01:53] <Jucato> that's how configurable KDE is... you don't have to stick to defaults
[01:53] <yossir> Jucato: yeah, I'm considering another try.
[01:54] <Jucato> also take note that how Kubuntu ships/tweaks/presents KDE is not the default KDE sometimes
[01:54] <alexicon> i prefer konqueror over nautilis, even tho it uses more resources
[01:54] <alexicon> its much more versitle
[01:54] <yossir> DHGE: using KDE apps within the Gnome desktop is pretty slow and awkward.
[01:54] <marijo> please how to start wallet but that it does not ask my password every time, answer just this ;)
[01:55] <DHGE> yossir: have not tried THAT ;-)
[01:55] <alexicon> you can always install gnome on kubuntu, it will run fine. really the only difference is going to be adept v synaptic, and even still you can install both
[01:56] <yossir> Jucato: after Windows, Gnome seemed pretty configurable.
[01:56] <alexicon> i really prefer using adept
[01:56] <Jucato> lol
[01:56] <yossir> alexicon: yeah, I installed kubuntu-desktop on vanilla Dapper, so I had both. and Synaptic.
[01:56] <waylandbill> ultimately kde is intended to be designed that the whole of it uses the same menuing and widgets throughout its interface.
[01:57] <waylandbill> that's what their introduction to programming kde says anyway. :-)
[01:57] <alexicon> gnome is the same tho
[01:57] <alexicon> they both offer that uniformity
[01:57] <yossir> Gnome seems to aim to be simpler.
[01:57] <alexicon> yes
[01:57] <waylandbill> until third party apps come into play.
[01:57] <yossir> (and it _seemed_ a bit more consistent in its performance)
[01:58] <yossir> but I guess I should give KDE another try. most of the K apps are better than their Gnome equivalents.
[01:58] <yossir> k3b, Konsole, Amarok
[01:58] <alexicon> its just configurability really
[01:58] <alexicon> qt apps have a lot more options than gtk ones
[01:58] <yossir> probably Konquerer as well.
[01:58] <yossir> and Koffice.
[01:58] <alexicon> yes, probably at the cost of using more system resources mind. but i find its worth it for me
[01:59] <yossir> alexicon: it's for a development box, so it's pretty powerful (CoreDuo 6300, 2gb ram)
[01:59] <yossir> maybe I'll get comfy with vanilla Ubuntu (Gnome), then give Kubuntu-desktop another try.
[01:59] <marijo> thanks a lot
[02:00] <waylandbill> yes. kde is a hog, but most computers these days can handle it just fine.
[02:00] <waylandbill> less ram is used by kde than windows though.
[02:00] <waylandbill> :)
[02:00] <yossir> Windows sucks. I didn't realize how much till I got on Ubuntu.
[02:01] <alexicon> vista will be the best thing to ever happen to *nix lol
[02:02] <Jucato> s/will be/is/
[02:03] <waylandbill> :-D
[02:03] <alexicon> hehe indeed ;)
[02:03] <JuJuBee> Does anybody know of a cgi proxy that supports https?
[02:03] <yossir> that shameless tactic of forcing gamers to upgrade to DX10 is going to work, though.
[02:03] <yossir> if you're a PC gamer, you're probably not going to have a choice.
[02:04] <Jucato> if you're a PC gamer, you probably don't even care about *nix
[02:04] <yossir> Jucato: some *nixers are also gamers :)
[02:04] <yossir> and they might have to get Vista at some point.
[02:04] <alexicon> lol you tried playing games in vista??!
[02:04] <alexicon> lolz
[02:04] <Jucato> yeah, but the "stereotype" PC gamer...
[02:04] <yossir> (though I'd prefer they all got Wiis :)
[02:05] <alexicon> i couldnt affort to buy enough memory to ever play games on vista :P
[02:05] <yossir> alexicon: the last game I played was Deus-Ex :)
[02:05] <yossir> which theme do you guys use on Kubuntu?
[02:05] <alexicon> i used to play wow
[02:06] <yossir> (btw, read this if you haven't - http://www.illusionary.com/GNOMEvKDE.html )
[02:06] <alexicon> but then decided i needed my life back :P
[02:06] <waylandbill> I don't even bother with PC games. My playstation does just fine with that at a lower cost.
[02:06] <yossir> waylandbill: yeah, hopefully games will become something you do on the conosle.
[02:06] <alexicon> theme?
[02:06] <yossir> alexicon: yeah, like a visual theme.
[02:06] <alexicon> make my own theme i guess. use plastik stuff mostly
[02:07] <alexicon> unless im using beryl
[02:07] <alexicon> when i use beryl i use emerald so it looks like gnome simple theme
[02:12] <yossir> yeah, Konversation is nice :)
[02:12] <yossir> and so is Kopete
[02:12] <hyper_ch> !nxserver
[02:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nxserver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:13] <vge> Kopete dont work that well with iso and utf-8 or does someone have a solution for that?
[02:13] <waylandbill> I like the front page to illusionary.com. cute.
[02:13] <vge> atleast with ICQ
[02:14] <yossir> waylandbill: yeah, very cool
[02:14] <waylandbill> the subtle wargames references are my favorite.
[02:24] <vge> Someone can help me to get this one to work: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03) (any change it allready works in feisty? :) )
[02:25] <vge> !wireless
[02:25] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:26] <precipizio> ciao
[02:26] <precipizio> ragazzi in questo canale bisogna registrarsi ??
[02:26] <Jucato> !it | precipizio
[02:26] <ubotu> precipizio: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[02:40] <vge> !ndistwrapper
[02:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ndistwrapper - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:40] <vge> !ndiswrapper
[02:41] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:49] <soulrider> anyone know if theres a way to find out when it was that i installed ubuntu?
[02:56] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[03:20] <arke_> hi ... i installed the kscreensaver-xscreensaver wrapper, the entire xscreensaver stuff, however the xscreensaver stuff is not showing up inside the screensaver list (in system settings) ... what can Ido to have it find them?
[03:21] <arke_> (the reason is that I want the phosphor screensaver belonging to xscreensaver)
[03:22] <ubuntu> lu
[03:23] <arke_> oh wait
[03:23] <arke_> works now o.O
[03:23] <arke_> thanks :)
[03:24] <sasoyna> hi guys i have a problem with ktts.In talker configuration "select voice" is gray. i can;t select a voice though ktts not work.:(. i have a kubuntu 6.06 distro. you can help me?
[03:24] <TnT07> Where are people who speak french ?
[03:24] <BluesKaj> !fr
[03:24] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:26] <DaSkreech> .o0(Great Now my pillow is wet)
[03:26] <BluesKaj> yuk
[03:26] <slyfox> Si Kwallet is broken in Latest kubuntu for good ?  As it is not working with Kmail and Kopete - always asks me for apsswords
[03:26] <slyfox> *So
[03:27] <BluesKaj> kwallet is more of pain than it's worth IMHO
[03:28] <slyfox> BluesKaj: yeah, and they plan to keep Kwallet for future too ?
[03:29] <DaSkreech> They will
[03:29] <DaSkreech> a small bump on teh roadmap of development does not invalidate the goodnes of an appliaction
[03:29] <slyfox> This is so annoying as it just sitst there and does not work
[03:29] <slyfox> Are developers awre of that problem at all ?
[03:30] <blue|palm> Help!!! My RAM consumption is huge when running xgl!!!! I have 1GB of ram and in xgl (no beryl/compiz loaded or any program for that matter) and I am using 825 MB RAM. Can somebody tell me what I am doing wrong?
[03:31] <slyfox> blue|palm: #beryl  should knwo better
[03:31] <blue|palm> slyfox: there is no beryl loaded
[03:32] <Jucato> !ram
[03:32] <ubotu> A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[03:32] <slyfox> blue|palm: still they would know better in that channel
[03:33] <blue|palm> slyfox: thanks
[03:33] <Jucato> blue|palm: just a little note, Linux consumes all of your RAM really. whether or not apps are actually using that RAM
[03:33] <Jucato> the rest are used for disk cache
[03:34] <sasoyna> hi guys i have a problem with ktts.In talker configuration "select voice" is gray. i can;t select a voice though ktts not work.:(. i have a kubuntu 6.06 distro. you can help me?
[03:34] <blue|palm> Jucato: oh
[03:34] <blue|palm> Jucato: lol, couldnt somebody tell me that :) thanks
[03:35] <blue|palm> Jucato: I am a windows veteran so unfortunately i dont know this
[03:35] <visik7> I've a problem
[03:36] <visik7> apps that require priviledge root and tring to run kdesu aren't able to display the dialog
[03:36] <visik7> dunno why
[03:36] <visik7> if I run kdesu it works
[03:37] <visik7> ok solved
[03:37] <visik7> dunno what was
[03:37] <MetaBookfoziS> why feisty 3 don'T have partition manager?
[03:41] <MetaBookfoziS> hm:) i have found
[03:41] <MetaBookfoziS> but looks it a bit buggy.
[03:42] <BluesKaj> then stick with edgy , MetaBookfoziS
[03:43] <BluesKaj> MetaBookfoziS, /join fiesty
[03:43] <MetaBookfoziS> okey
[03:43] <Jucato> er
[03:43] <Jucato> !feisty
[03:44] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[03:44] <MetaBookfoziS> that room is not exists
[03:44] <MetaBookfoziS> op jeh.
[03:44] <Jucato> MetaBookfoziS: the room is #ubuntu+1
[03:44] <BluesKaj> no , I'm surprised
[03:44] <parkerw207> whats the best theme for kde ?
[03:44] <Jucato> (Ubuntu can't make a new room for every release :P)
[03:44] <Jucato> !best
[03:44] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[03:44] <waylandbill> parkerw207: one that matches your favorite color.
[03:45] <parkerw207> hehe i was just asking for opinions :P
[03:45] <parkerw207> just checking out kde-look
[03:45] <Jucato> well, you have to start by defining what you mean by "theme"
[03:45] <waylandbill> I like red, but am too lazy to change the default blue
[03:45] <Jucato> :P
[03:45] <MetaBookfoziS> :)
[03:45] <MetaBookfoziS> waylandbill > i recommend to try polyester, that is a widget style
[03:46] <parkerw207> ermm well on kde-look there is like whole themes , in the theme/styles bit
[03:46] <parkerw207> they all look nice enough lol
[03:46] <waylandbill> polyester... hmm...
[03:46] <MetaBookfoziS> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=27968
[03:48] <parkerw207> ooo i like that thats very nice
[03:48] <waylandbill> yeah. I like that.
[03:49] <waylandbill> apt-get here I come. :-)
[03:49] <MetaBookfoziS> no
[03:49] <MetaBookfoziS> that is old
[03:49] <jesso> Hi. I am trying to add a qt application to the kde startup on the 6.10 livecd but i cannot find where to put it
[03:49] <MetaBookfoziS> 0.99 iirc
[03:49] <waylandbill> oh
[03:49] <Jucato> !autostart | jesso
[03:49] <ubotu> jesso: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[03:49] <MetaBookfoziS> jesso > as every kde, ~/.kde/Autostart
[03:49] <MetaBookfoziS> eh
[03:49] <MetaBookfoziS> :)
[03:50] <jesso> well, i am chrooted into the livecd and there is no home use in /home on the cd
[03:50] <jesso> i want an application on the kde seesion where the "Install" icon is
[03:52] <MetaBookfoziS> is?
[03:52] <MetaBookfoziS> i'm not understand you (but that is possible it's my fault)
[03:52] <jesso> when u boot the install cd kde comes up
[03:52] <MetaBookfoziS> yep
[03:52] <jesso> there is an install icon
[03:52] <MetaBookfoziS> yep
[03:53] <jesso> i want to add my own icon to laucnh a program
[03:53] <MetaBookfoziS> then, right click on that icon
[03:53] <Jucato> jesso: you can't add to that without modifying the live CD
[03:53] <MetaBookfoziS> and in the opened window, click on theicon on the top left
[03:53] <Jucato> because everytime you restart the Live CD, it will reset to the default settings
[03:53] <jesso> i no, I have mounted the livecd and chroot into it to change it
[03:53] <MetaBookfoziS> but because this is a livecd it isn't saved.. as jucato say.
[03:54] <jesso> i modifying the livecd
[03:54] <jesso> so really I customizing the live cd
[03:55] <jesso> I am folowing this:
[03:55] <jesso> http://www.atworkonline.it/~bibe/ubuntu/custom-livecd.htm
[03:55] <jhutchins> jesso: To modify the live CD you would have to re-burn it.
[03:55] <jesso> i know
[03:55] <MetaBookfoziS> jesso > ls the livecd's desktop
[03:55] <jhutchins> Ok, it sounded for a bit like you were trying to modify it while you were booted...
[03:55] <MetaBookfoziS> i think that is something install.desktop
[03:55] <jhutchins> Anyway, if you right-click on the desktop, you can create a new link to an application.
[03:55] <MetaBookfoziS> and it's a plain textfile, open it and i think that contains the icon information in INI style
[03:56] <jesso> ya, i did that , but it's in a /usr/share
[03:57] <jesso> could find where to put in a kde session, like "/home/user/Desktop"
[03:57] <jesso> there must something funky  to it
[03:57] <jesso> i thought there would be a /home/ubuntu on the livecd
[03:57] <jesso> but there is not
[03:58] <Jucato> there is. iirc, the username on the Live CD is "ubuntu"
[03:58] <waylandbill> maybe it's in a squashed fs, or is created on the fly.
[03:58] <jesso> must be on the fly
[03:58] <Jucato> yeah, I think on the fly
[03:58] <jesso> i am chroot into the squashed fsand there is no direcroty in /home
[03:58] <jesso> hmmmmm
[03:59] <waylandbill> duh.. of course it is... it's in ram, so it has to be..
[03:59] <waylandbill> unless it was a straight file copy I guess.
[03:59] <jesso> i see the install desktop link, so they must create the ubuntu user and copt it
[04:00] <jesso> so need to find out what process they use to do this then
[04:00] <waylandbill> grep for the desktop link mentioned somewhere.
[04:00] <MetaBookfoziS> the livecds absolutely not uses the hdd?
[04:01] <jesso> i know
[04:01] <Jucato> MetaBookfoziS: no.
[04:01] <MetaBookfoziS> i asks....
[04:01] <jesso> they do not use hdd
[04:01] <MetaBookfoziS> hmm, a bit hard to understand how the system can live
[04:01] <jesso> memory
[04:01] <Jucato> MetaBookfoziS: everything is done in RAM
[04:01] <MetaBookfoziS> yep, but it laods the whole system to the memory?
[04:01] <Jucato> yes
[04:02] <MetaBookfoziS> hard...
[04:02] <MetaBookfoziS> :)
[04:02] <jesso> i 'll have to search files and grep it
[04:02] <Jucato> hard to do? it's been done. hard to understand the technical details? definiately not for a beginner
[04:02] <MetaBookfoziS> no, i'm just wondering
[04:03] <Jucato> MetaBookfoziS: Google will be of more help for you
[04:03] <jesso> ok
[04:03] <waylandbill> It's not too different than emdedded development.
[04:03] <jesso> thanks anyway
[04:03] <MetaBookfoziS> i thinked about how many space i have, when i sustained a conference today on a kubuntulivecd:)
[04:03] <MetaBookfoziS> and i prayed to have enough for what i doing.
[04:06] <ale_> hi all, I'm trying to install kubuntu alternate onto my epia board (1gHz nehemian cpu), I'd like to install my root partition onto a software raid1 device... will it slow down my system?
[04:06] <ale_> a lot.... I mean...
[04:07] <ale_> (this isn't a fast processor...)
[04:09] <ale_> anyone experienced here?
[04:09] <BluesKaj> !raid
[04:09] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[04:10] <ale_> !raid
[04:10] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[04:10] <ale_> :)
[04:10] <ale_> tx
[04:10] <BluesKaj> see, it works :)
[04:10] <ale_> :D
[04:11] <ale_> wasn't trustin you...
[04:12] <rick> Hi everyone
[04:13] <rick> Can anyone help me I can't start kaffeine anymore, I tried to uninstall and reinstall in adept but still the same result ? :(
[04:14] <jay> Konquerror suddenly stopped mounting my usb external driver... it brings up a hard drive under /media/ but when i right click and mount I get "Feature only available with HAL"
[04:16] <jhutchins> rick: WHat happens when you try to start it?
[04:16] <rick> jhutchins  it tries to start but nothing happens
[04:16] <dromer> hmm, I just "found" a HP scanjet 5p on our attic .. how can I make it work in kde?
[04:16] <jhutchins> jay: HAL is an important part of the system that actually does the mount (very little to do with Konq).
[04:16] <jhutchins> jay: What have you changed?
[04:16] <dromer> ah wait, it has a weird (thought it was printer-) cable ..
[04:16] <jhutchins> rick: Try starting it from a console, see what it says.
[04:17] <jay> that's just it.. i don't remember doing anything stupid
[04:17] <jay> the last thing that i did that had 2 do with mounting was mounting my drive from the  tty
[04:17] <jay> needed a file from it
[04:17] <jay> nothing else
[04:18] <rick> Jhutchins, nothing happens it just moves to the next line
[04:18] <rick> no messages at all
[04:18] <jhutchins> rick: Hm.  No idea then.
[04:19] <jhutchins> you might have a look at /var/log/messeges or even dmesg.
[04:19] <jhutchins> rick: I like mplayer, but some people have trouble with sound sync.
[04:19] <rick> ok
[04:19] <jhutchins> jay: Install or remove any packages?
[04:19] <rick> I like mplayer too but it doesn't work as a dvb-t application :(
[04:20] <arthur_kalm> Hi everyone, I'm using Kubuntu 6.06.1 on a desktop with an nVidia 6200. I run XGL and Beryl as well. It seems that after a recent kernel upgrade I am unable to run dual monitors anymore. My xorg.conf hasn't changed since the previous time I used this computer but dual monitors refuses to work. Here is my xorg.conf: http://paste.plone.org/12979 and /var/log/Xorg.0.log: http://paste.plone.org/12980
[04:20] <arthur_kalm> It's also possible that X11 was updated as well...  I don't think I remember running 7.0...
[04:20] <jhutchins> rick: I think xine works with dvb.
[04:21] <rick> yeah but would it work without kaffeine ?
[04:21] <jhutchins> arthur_kalm: Did you update the nvidia driver?
[04:21] <jhutchins> rick: I think so.  I don't run kaffeine, I've never been able to get it to work consistently.
[04:22] <rick> jhutchins are you using kubuntu or ubuntu ?
[04:22] <jhutchins> Mandriva <grin>
[04:22] <jhutchins> I've got kubuntu on a PC in an office I use sometimes.
[04:22] <jay> ummm... not really
[04:22] <jay> just xwinwrap
[04:22] <BluesKaj> !kaffeine
[04:22] <ubotu> kaffeine: versatile media player for KDE 3. In component main, is optional. Version 0.8.2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 2160 kB, installed size 5868 kB
[04:22] <rick>  :)
[04:22] <arthur_kalm> jhutchins: I'm using the latest :P
[04:22] <arthur_kalm> http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Dapper_with_XGL#Latest_Graphic_Card_Drivers
[04:22] <jhutchins> arthur_kalm: I know this has happened to other people before, but not how to resolve it.
[04:23] <jhutchins> arthur_kalm: Have you tried running something other than beryl?  Straight KDE, or xfce?
[04:23] <arthur_kalm> jhutchins: the thing is the drivers work. I'm running XGL and Beryl right now, however, my other monitor is sitting there blank
[04:23] <jhutchins> beryl is very alpha-test software, it breaks frequently.
[04:23] <dromer> maybe not apropriate question here but: does anybody know what this weird cable on my (just found) hp scanjet 5p is? my other (not yet working) scanner has a 'regular' printer-cable ta attach is to the pc, but this one is different
[04:23] <jhutchins> If it's a scanner, and it has a 25pin connector, it's probably SCSI.
[04:24] <arthur_kalm> jhutchins: I don't think it can be Beryl since the dual monitors isn't working when I load up GDM. However, I am running XGL instead of straight X.... it's possible that XGL stopped working
[04:24] <arthur_kalm> jhutchins: and btw, if you use the not SVN version of Beryl it's very stable :P
[04:24] <dromer> jhutchins: hmm, I guess so, damnit, out with the trash I guess :/
[04:24] <jhutchins> Yes, the whole XGL thing, part of beryl, could be a problem, or it could be xorg.
[04:25] <jhutchins> dromer: You can probably get a SCSI card for $5 - $10.
[04:25] <jhutchins> dromer: Possibly a USB-SCSI adaptor.
[04:25] <jhutchins> SCSI's a very good interface for scanners, much faster than USB 1.0.
[04:25] <dromer> jhutchins: wouldn't know where though, if I can get my other scanner working I'll keep that one (though it's an 'obscure' starscan)
[04:26] <dromer> jhutchins: ok .. hmm
[04:26] <arthur_kalm> jhutchins: hmm I'll try AIGLX
[04:26] <jhutchins> dromer: Ebay, local used computer store, pricewatch.com.
[04:26] <jhutchins> arthur_kalm: If you can try a straight plain vanilla X that would be where to start.
[04:27] <arthur_kalm> jhutchins: yes I'm going to remove XGL from gdm.conf-custom
[04:27] <Mo-Z> whats the boot up manager i kde kalled? and were is it located?
[04:27] <jhutchins> Mo-Z: kde doesn't manage boot.
[04:28] <jhutchins> !upstart
[04:28] <ubotu> Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[04:28] <BluesKaj> login page is prolly what he means
[04:28] <jhutchins> Mo-Z: Did you want to know about kdm, which handles starting the GUI and logins?
[04:28] <Mo-Z> jhutchins: yup
[04:29] <jhutchins> xdm is generic, kdm is kde, gdm is gnome, they will all launch multiple desktop environments.
[04:30] <dromer> jhutchins: I think I'll rather get my other scanner working than work with this scsi-stuff, can't find anything here (NL) atm
[04:30] <X2B> Guys, one brief question, is there a way to poweroff your pc via a shell command without being root?
[04:31] <esaym> just tried gnome for the first time in my life
[04:31] <dromer> jhutchins: perhaps the used pc-store .. but I don't want to try ;/
[04:31] <esaym> yuk
[04:31] <jhutchins> dromer: We are complacent in our amazing access to junk here in the US.
[04:31] <dromer> haha
[04:31] <dromer> haha
[04:31] <dromer> hmm, ah well
[04:31] <jhutchins> X2B: sudo shutdown -r now
[04:31] <esaym> I got 4gb of files I need to compress into a zip or rar.  Anyone know of a good program?
[04:31] <jhutchins> X2B: You can configure which users are allowed to run shutdown directly.
[04:31] <dromer> what would be the way to go if I want the other scanner to work?
[04:31] <jhutchins> X2B: Sorry, that's sudo shutdown -h now.
[04:31] <esaym> ark doesn't seem to work so good
[04:31] <jhutchins> -h for halt, -r for beboot.
[04:33] <X2B> ok then i will have to edit sudoers... Just thought there might be an easier way
[04:33] <X2B> thx
[04:33] <jhutchins> dromer: your starscan?  sane (Scanner Access Now Easy or some such) is usually where scanner support is packaged.
[04:33] <juano_> X2B: visudo
[04:33] <dromer> jhutchins: ok thnx, will look into that afer I finish up cleaning ;)
[04:34] <san> alguem fala portugues?
[04:34] <X2B> but visudo is just sudo nano /etc/sudoers, isn't it?
[04:34] <jhutchins> !pg
[04:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pg - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:34] <jhutchins> !bn | san
[04:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:34] <jhutchins> dang, sorry san, I'm pretty sure there's a factoid for it.
[04:35] <jhutchins> !pt
[04:35] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[04:35] <san> Jia.. Obrigado
[04:36] <juano_> X2B: could be, i use visudo
[04:36] <san> e como fao isso?
[04:41] <petra> hello all :)
[04:42] <petra> Ican not start kde:
[04:42] <petra> "kdeinit: aborting. $display is not set"
[04:42] <petra> "permission denied"
[04:42] <petra> can somone help?
[04:43] <jhutchins> petra: That sounds like maybe you upgraded Xorg and KDE some stuff got moved.
[04:44] <jhutchins> petra: can you start x with the startx command?
[04:44] <petra> no
[04:44] <fdoving> petra: how do you try to execute kde when this fails?
[04:44] <fdoving> from kdm?
[04:44] <petra> going to console and execute startkde
[04:46] <petra> under screen 7 I can not log in there comes an error with dcopserver
[04:46] <petra> I googled about this stuff but was not able to find an answer
[04:47] <petra> I create  a new home dir and all is running well
[04:47] <petra> but I want my environment back
[04:47] <jhutchins> petra: Somethnig in your .kde folders then.
[04:48] <petra> yes
[04:48] <juano_> petra: check whats in ~/.kde/Autostart/
[04:48] <juano_> petra: could be an app starting up with some error
[04:49] <esaym> I got 4gb of files I need to compress into a zip or rar.  Anyone know of a good program?
[04:49] <jhutchins> esaym: zip or rar.
[04:49] <jhutchins> esaym: bzip's the most efficient in compressibilyty vs. time.
[04:50] <jhutchins> esaym: Um, no that's gzip.
[04:50] <petra> I did :chown stefan:stefan under .Kde
[04:50] <jhutchins> petra: chown -R ...
[04:50] <juano_> jhutchins: can you compress with unrar ?
[04:50] <petra> there is only:  .directory
[04:50] <esaym> well what are the programs that can do zip or rar?
[04:50] <juano_> jhutchins: or is it just for unraring
[04:50] <jhutchins> juano_: No, you have to get that actual rar program from their web site.  non-free.
[04:50] <juano_> jhutchins: ahh ok
[04:51] <|lostbyte|> juano_, and it works for a time period..
[04:51] <esaym> ark has a zip and rar plugin but it doens't work to welll....
[04:51] <petra> chown -R to .kde ?
[04:51] <juano_> |lostbyte|: ok
[04:52] <jhutchins> esaym: Because rar is not an open format, only the people who sell rar (or the people who buy licenses from them) can distribute software that works with it.
[04:52] <jhutchins> esaym: They have allowed free uncompressors in order to make their format more popular.
[04:52] <Jucato> !info rar
[04:52] <ubotu> rar: Archiver for .rar files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.5.1-1 (edgy), package size 239 kB, installed size 472 kB (Only available for i386)
[04:52] <Jucato> !info unrar
[04:52] <ubotu> unrar: Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.5.4-0.1 (edgy), package size 84 kB, installed size 216 kB
[04:53] <zch> hello, can someone tell me is there chance to get really old lucent winmodem to work with kubuntu
[04:53] <jhutchins> Jucato: Is that a free rar?
[04:53] <zch> it is lucent i-302 winmodem
[04:53] <Jucato> jhutchins: no. those are the ones in multiverse
[04:53] <juano_> Jucato: i have unrar, i downloaded it from synaptic
[04:53] <esaym> so there is a rar program for ubuntu then? let me check the repos..
[04:53] <Jucato> they're non-free only by license
[04:53] <|lostbyte|> zch, lucent drivers are kernal depentent so, you would want to degrate to an older kernel just for the old drivers..
[04:54] <zch> |lostbyte|: thanks for the tip, think i will just tell they guy to buy new modem
[04:54] <zch> the guy*
[04:54] <Jucato> esaym: there are 2 rar utilities, the rar-free and the rar (non-free due to license). both are free as in free beer. both are command line apps also. Ark is a GUI frontend that can use these
[04:55] <petra> okay all the same. can not startkde
[04:55] <|lostbyte|> yes.. or buy the drivres..
[04:55] <jhutchins> zch: Getting winmodems to work is like pushing string up a wall.
[04:55] <anything> !beryl
[04:55] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:55] <Jucato> !winmodem
[04:55] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[04:55] <zch> jhutchins: yeah i kind of got the idea :)
[04:55] <waylandbill> I'd just stick with open format.. what's wrong with a gzipped tar ball (or even bzipped) anyway?
[04:55] <anything> hi i'm going to install beryl on my laptop ati radoen now..anybody can give some tips or guide me along?
[04:55] <esaym> hmm looks like I already have rar installed
[04:56] <|lostbyte|> could anyone link me to the kubuntu release cycle page?
[04:56] <waylandbill> anything: if it uses XGL, expect lockups and/or crashes.
[04:56] <jhutchins> anything: !ati
[04:56] <jhutchins> Heh, think before you type, hutch...
[04:56] <esaym> however when I try to compress a 4gb folder with ark using zip or rar it always messes up :(
[04:56] <anything> should i use aiglx or xgl for my ATI?
[04:56] <jhutchins> !ati | anything
[04:56] <ubotu> anything: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:56] <waylandbill> anything: some radeons can use aiglx, some cannot
[04:57] <jhutchins> anything: Do you intend to do anything with the laptop, or is this just for fun?
[04:57] <BluesKaj> !ati | beryl
[04:57] <ubotu> beryl: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:57] <anything> its just for fun
[04:57] <anything> some eye candies.. to show off haha
[04:57] <Jucato> BluesKaj: huh? :D
[04:57] <waylandbill> anything: if you can get direct rendering with open driver, you'll probably get aiglx working
[04:57] <anything> i used it to play warcraft too using wine
[04:57] <BluesKaj> anything, good luck
[04:57] <arthur_kalm> anything: I find that I can't work without it :P
[04:58] <anything> arthur_kalm: can't work without beryl?
[04:58] <jhutchins> arthur_kalm: Really?
[04:58] <arthur_kalm> jhutchins: I'm not running XGL anymore, still no dual monitors :S
[04:58] <arthur_kalm> anything and jhutchins: yes
[04:58] <arthur_kalm> I got addicted
[04:58] <waylandbill> anything: if you need fglrx to get DRI, then you'll need XGL which crashes too much for it's own good.
[04:58] <jhutchins> arthur_kalm: Ok, it's in the drivers or the xorg conf then.
[04:58] <zch> i couldnt get xgl to run with my radeon 9600
[04:58] <arthur_kalm> everything else seems dead to me :(
[04:58] <zch> so i just gave up, it said that drivers don't support it
[04:58] <jhutchins> arthur_kalm: #xorg
[04:59] <arthur_kalm> jhutchins: I got some weird error in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log...
[04:59] <anything> ok first of all..let me get it straight first.. i get aiglx, xgl and fglrx?
[04:59] <waylandbill> zch: this 200M hates xgl
[04:59] <anything> i'm getting confused by those terms
[04:59] <waylandbill> anything: you need DRI first
[04:59] <waylandbill> otherwise it'll be slow.
[04:59] <arthur_kalm> jhunchins: "(WW) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Unable to read EDID for display device CRT-0
[04:59] <anything> DRI? ok i've already followed the steps from !ati on how to setup my ati card
[04:59] <arthur_kalm> "
[04:59] <anything> !dri
[04:59] <ubotu> dri is direct rendering infrastructure, a framework for allowing direct access to graphics hardware under the X Window System in a safe and efficient manner.
[05:00] <arthur_kalm> wayland: can't you use AIGLX with 200M?
[05:00] <waylandbill> with the fglrx driver?
[05:00] <BluesKaj> anything, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-c966b2cb7c82944d6883f27a2896725db3b90a3a
[05:00] <waylandbill> arthur_kalm: I don't think fglrx and aiglx are compatible.
[05:00] <arthur_kalm> jhuchins: should I set the EDID manually?
[05:00] <anything> actually i've alot of failed attempts to install beryl
[05:01] <_Ace2016_> hi all
[05:01] <arthur_kalm> waylandbill: I don't think so either, but with the 200M I believe that you can use the Open Source drivers
[05:01] <_Ace2016_> whats the difference between vmrss and wmsize?
[05:01] <arthur_kalm> waylandbill: AFAIK
[05:01] <anything> my furthest attempt is when i can create a profile at login splash screen to log in as aiglx or something like that, and its lagging mad
[05:01] <waylandbill> arthur_kalm: you mean the 'radeon' driver? I've not tried that.
[05:01] <arthur_kalm> waylandbill: yeah I think that's what it's called
[05:02] <waylandbill> I'm running the ati one now. I'll have to give it a try sometime.
[05:02] <jhutchins> arthur_kalm: I really wish I could afford the hardware to gain the experience to be able to help you.
[05:02] <jhutchins> arthur_kalm: My ATI card cost $35 about 5 years ago.
[05:02] <waylandbill> fglrx works, but then X hangs shutting down and I don't like improper shutdowns. :-)
[05:02] <BluesKaj> I tried beryl on my ati equipped pc, but you have to make sure Xgl is chosen only at the login page ..then you can both X and Xgl (with beryl ) when you choose to
[05:03] <jhutchins> arthur_kalm: That's why I recommend the #xorg channel.
[05:03] <arthur_kalm> waylandbill: yeah, I believe that M200 was the only real card that could work with the Open Source drivers
[05:03] <waylandbill> I'm happy my desktop has an nvidia in it.
[05:03] <arthur_kalm> jhutchins: hehe no problem, well this 6200 isn't expensive, only like $50 :P but it works... it's only at work though
[05:03] <waylandbill> arthur_kalm: excellent. I'll look into it thanks.
[05:03] <arthur_kalm> jhutchins: I guess I'll try looking there
[05:03] <arthur_kalm> waylandbill: no problem
[05:04] <BluesKaj> beryl is slow anyway ..eye candy is nice but still tto buggy for my taste
[05:04] <BluesKaj> too buggy
[05:04] <waylandbill> heck if you don't mind PNY or other off-brand a screamin fast video card is only $200
[05:05] <waylandbill> BluesKaj: I agree there. way buggy yet.
[05:05] <BluesKaj> no point , not a gamer
[05:05] <spawn57> it'll get stable soon enough
[05:06] <arthur_kalm> BluesKaj: which video card are you using?
[05:06] <anything> hi there's one part that it says make sure fglrx is loaded by verifying that the module appears in the list of loaded modules, by issuing the command "lsmod";
[05:06] <BluesKaj> my philosphy is ..get a friggin xbox or PS if ya wann aplay games
[05:06] <waylandbill> BluesKaj: the video card comment was for someone else.
[05:06] <arthur_kalm> BluesKaj: it's suppose to even work on Intel cards
[05:06] <anything> and so i do lsmod | grep fglrx
[05:06] <anything> and i get agpgart                34888  2 fglrx,intel_agp
[05:06] <anything> is this correct?
[05:06] <BluesKaj> arthur_kalm, I'm using a plain jane onboard ati xpress200
[05:07] <waylandbill> BluesKaj: ps is cheaper than a decent gaming PC by far is my philosophy
[05:07] <arthur_kalm> BluesKaj: and that's slow with Beryl? hmm you're using XGL right?
[05:07] <BluesKaj> yup, I was
[05:07] <arthur_kalm> waylandbill: yeah but PS doesn't have as good games :P
[05:07] <waylandbill> that's my card xpress 200m
[05:07] <arthur_kalm> waylandbill: or at least the ones I like to play
[05:08] <waylandbill> arthur_kalm: they don't have Wow? ;-)
[05:08] <arthur_kalm> waylandbill: i.e. strategy and FPS
[05:08] <arthur_kalm> waylandbill: hehe actually I don't play WoW :P, yeah I know, I'm weird ;)
[05:08] <waylandbill> I don't either.
[05:08] <BluesKaj> waylandbill, then good luck with beryl ... it can be done, but it takes patience and a lot of jiggery-pokery
[05:09] <LeeJunFan> If a game doesn't have M'16's and M203's I don't wanna play it :p
[05:09] <waylandbill> jiggery-pokery. LOL.
[05:09] <arthur_kalm> LeeJunFan: true to that ;)
[05:09] <BluesKaj> LeeJunFan, WTH is M'16 s ...guns ?
[05:10] <LeeJunFan> BluesKaj: yeah.
[05:10] <LeeJunFan> BluesKaj: M-16, USA standard military gun.
[05:10] <waylandbill> LeeJunFan: combine our tastes and a baseball field becomes a war zone. That'd be a fun game. :-)
[05:10] <BluesKaj> bah humbug ...yeah i'm aware of that
[05:11] <arthur_kalm> LeeJunFan: I think BluesKaj was poking fun at the M16 :P
[05:11] <LeeJunFan> waylandbill: hehe, or the Sim's vs AH-64 Assault Helicopter.
[05:11] <BluesKaj> of course I'm an old fogey ...we used to play games outside in the fresh air in my childhood..  :)
[05:11] <jhutchins> I like flight simulators (and the games based on them), but I'd rather be out riding my motorcycle.
[05:11] <arthur_kalm> hey umm can anyone post some vertical and horizontal syncs for LCD monitors that you use in xorg.conf, for some reason EDID isnt' working
[05:11] <LeeJunFan> BluesKaj: yeah, but fresh air here right now is -20F fresh.
[05:12] <arthur_kalm> BluesKaj: pft, fresh air, who needs that
[05:12] <jhutchins> LeeJunFan: We're a balmy 15 here.
[05:12] <waylandbill> BluesKaj: If it was summer I'd go outside and play ball. 20 inches of snow and I'll play it on the tube.
[05:12] <BluesKaj> cold there eh , it was -20 last nitre but its 0C  and sunny now
[05:12] <BluesKaj> where the hell are you guys ?
[05:13] <arthur_kalm> hehe it was -30 with the wind chill yesterday :S
[05:13] <BluesKaj> only have 12"  of snow here in northern Ontario
[05:13] <LeeJunFan> BluesKaj: well, I take that back - it's +20 out now, it was in the neg this morn. Cheboygan Michigan here.
[05:13] <waylandbill> I'm near rochester, new york
[05:13] <arthur_kalm> BluesKaj: hey, haha I'm also in Ontario :P
[05:13] <jhutchins> Kansas City, MO - smack in the middle.
[05:14] <arthur_kalm> BluesKaj: Toronto to be precise
[05:14] <LeeJunFan> waylandbill: I'm from Jamestown NY :)
[05:14] <BluesKaj> cheboygan ,... been there ...Im 160 mi west of the Soo
[05:14] <LeeJunFan> waylandbill: my cousin lived in Rochester years ago.
[05:14] <jhutchins> LeeJunFan: I grew up near Binghamton.
[05:14] <BluesKaj> err east of the soo
[05:14] <arthur_kalm> jhutchins: hmm it seems xorg is kind of dead :S
[05:14] <arthur_kalm> jhutchins: I mean #xorg
[05:14] <jhutchins> arthur_kalm: How about rolling back xorg and may be the kernel?
[05:14] <jhutchins> arthur_kalm: Oh, sorry about that.
[05:15] <BluesKaj> arthur_kalm, i'm 70km west of sudbury
[05:15] <LeeJunFan> Man - small world eh. heh
[05:15] <arthur_kalm> BluesKaj: wow, you live in a small town I assume?
[05:15] <BluesKaj> yup, espanola
[05:15] <LeeJunFan> BluesKaj: yeah, I went to Ontario probably 20 yrs ago. Only time I've been outside the country.
[05:15] <arthur_kalm> jhutchins: not your fault :P but umm how would I role back X?
[05:15] <jhutchins> arthur_kalm: How about #ubuntu-effects ?
[05:16] <xst> In /etc/fstab I have marked two mountpoints with noauto. But when I login to my KDE session as a regular user, these two are being mounted anyway. Why? And how can I turn this behavior off?
[05:16] <arthur_kalm> jhutchins: I'll try thanks
[05:16] <BluesKaj> ontario is a big place LeeJunFan ...even larger than texas
[05:16] <waylandbill> LeeJunFan: I'm actually from Wayland, I'm just about down the 86 from ya. :-P
[05:17] <jhutchins> xst: Where do you see them mounted?
[05:17] <BluesKaj> wonder when the "off topic bot" is gonna give us a warning ? :)
[05:18] <jhutchins> I don't worry about off-topic chat unless it's generating noise that drowns out on-topic stuff.
[05:18] <waylandbill> BluesKaj: ontario is big, but 90% of the population is in the southern 90%.
[05:19] <BluesKaj> yeah , and we like that way , .. waylandbill :)
[05:19] <waylandbill> :)
[05:19] <BluesKaj> we like it that way
[05:20] <BluesKaj> we northerners , like the so called unspoiled countryside ... it ain't so unspoiles , but most city ppl think we're isolated an deprived somehow.... man are they misguided :)
[05:20] <arthur_kalm> BluesKaj: which town are you in?
[05:21] <BluesKaj> Espanola, puplp n paper town
[05:21] <xst> jhutchins: in bash with the "mount" command
[05:21] <LeeJunFan> BluesKaj: not here, all the city people come here to ride their snowmobiles and hunt. They know how good we've got it here, everyone wants to live in this area but no jobs.
[05:22] <jhutchins> xst: What I meant was when you see them mounted in kde, where do you see them?
[05:22] <arthur_kalm> * checks google maps for Espanola
[05:22] <waylandbill> LeeJunFan: aint that the truth
[05:23] <BluesKaj> bummer . LeeJunFan ...it's relatively prosperous here but the employment is pretty static , so most young ppl leave for the city when finished school
[05:23] <xst> I don't necessarily see them mounted in kde.
[05:23] <BluesKaj> <---retired old fogey
[05:24] <arthur_kalm> BluesKaj: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espanola%2C_Ontario
[05:24] <BluesKaj> arthur_kalm, if you get DRI working you can run google earth for linux
[05:24] <arthur_kalm> BluesKaj: wow, only 5500 people.. hmm I think I would die :P
[05:25] <LeeJunFan> <--- barely surviving business owner :)
[05:25] <arthur_kalm> BluesKaj: hmm I haven't tried it... on my desktop (at home) using the beta nVidia drivers I was able to do that
[05:25] <jhutchins> xst: Did you have a question?
[05:25] <BluesKaj> well. there many towns around here  and sudbury is only 45 mins away ...lotsa malls etc to keep wifey happy :)
[05:26] <xst> jhytchins: Yes. My questions are: Why is KDE performing these mounts and how do I turn this auto-mounting off?
[05:27] <arthur_kalm> BluesKaj: hehee well must be nice and quiet there
[05:27] <jhutchins> xst: Ok, in order to answer you, I need to know how you see the drives being mounted in KDE.
[05:27] <BluesKaj> arthur_kalm, this town is well wired for the internet ...2 ISPs available
[05:28] <BluesKaj> well, i play in blues rock band so we make a little noise on wknds :)
[05:28] <Evil_DuDe> cool :D
[05:28] <waylandbill> nice
[05:28] <arthur_kalm> BluesKaj: nice.. high speed I assume
[05:28] <jhutchins> xst: For instance, I can have kde display un-mounted drives on my desktop, and if I click on them they'll mount and open.
[05:28] <BluesKaj> yup, got sympatico, ultra HS
[05:29] <xst> jhutchins: Before login I switch to console, login, and type "mount". Here the two mountpoints are unmounted. NExt, I login to KDE via X and the two disks spins up - and the two mount points are suddenly listed when typing "mount"
[05:29] <BluesKaj> arthur_kalm, rogers I assume :)
[05:30] <jhutchins> xst: What applications start when you start kde?
[05:30] <anything> hi... in my xorg.conf , i got 2 sections of Device .. should i remove one?
[05:30] <anything> i'm using ATI
[05:30] <anything> one the driver is vesa , the other is fglrx
[05:30] <arthur_kalm> BluesKaj, hehe same here
[05:31] <jhutchins> anything: vesa's sort of a fallback.
[05:31] <anything> i've got 2 section "Device"
[05:31] <xst> jhutchins: Kopete, Evolution, Konsole, Emacs, Firefox
[05:31] <BluesKaj> anything, leave it alone
[05:31] <anything> so i should no remove if nothing goes wrong?
[05:31] <anything> ok
[05:31] <jhutchins> anything: If fglrx is working, you can delete it, but you don't really need to worry about it.
[05:31] <anything> then i got this         Option      "OpenGLOverlay" "off"
[05:31] <anything> should it be off?
[05:32] <anything> VideoOverLay is On
[05:33] <anything> how do i know if my fglrx is running?
[05:33] <JuJuBee> I have 2 wireless cards in a computer.  Both are Linksys WMP54G.  The only difference I can see is that one is a v.4 and the other is a v.4.1 card.  The v.4 works fine, but when the v.4.1 card is installed, the system hangs on configuring network and the card does not work.
[05:33] <waylandbill> glxinfo should show direct rendering
[05:33] <BluesKaj> anything, in the terminal fglrxinfo
[05:34] <jhutchins> JuJuBee: It may be that they changed the chipset, you could do a web search and see what you can find.
[05:37] <quetz> hi
[05:37] <anything> ok its up and running
[05:37] <quetz> I'm having a hell of a time getting ubuntu to bootstrap on an intel xserve
[05:37] <anything> so..what's the next step to get beryl?
[05:37] <quetz> I believe I'm having EFI problems, can anyone confirm getting ubuntu in any flavor up on an apple xserve?
[05:38] <quetz> apple/intel
[05:38] <BluesKaj> !beryl | anything
[05:38] <ubotu> anything: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:40] <anything> i'm reading
[05:40] <iroxorsju> ok
[05:41] <anything> it asked me to off composite when installing ATI.. now it ask me to on?
[05:41] <anything> to off or on
[05:41] <waylandbill> off
[05:43] <anything> what's the representative button in kubuntu to see the processes like in windows' ctrl-alt-del ?
[05:44] <MetaBookfoziS> ctrl escape
[05:44] <MetaBookfoziS> but better if you start: ksysguard
[05:44] <anything> got it
[05:44] <MetaBookfoziS> that have the ctrl-escape's windows content in a tab, but an otehr tab you can add statistics graphs
[05:44] <waylandbill> and what ctrl-esc was in windows is alt-f1.
[05:44] <MetaBookfoziS> such as cpu load, batttery using etc...
[05:45] <anything> thanks
[05:45] <MetaBookfoziS> you're welcome
[05:46] <dec_> does anyone know where I can find firegl x11 extensions for an ati video card on my laptop
[05:47] <jhutchins> dec_: Have you checked the beryl stuff above?
[05:47] <anything> hey i should get beryl on edgy with GLX or AIGLX?
[05:47] <dec_> where above?
[05:48] <jhutchins> !beryl | dec_
[05:48] <ubotu> dec_: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:48] <dec_> is it stable
[05:48] <jhutchins> dec_: No, not at all.
[05:48] <dec_> what is the likelihood of it screwing up my os
[05:49] <jhutchins> dec_: Very low.
[05:49] <dec_> is it easy for a beginner like myself to install
[05:49] <jhutchins> dec_: If it doesn't work you just remove it, or run something else for a while and wait for it to improve.
[05:50] <Gast458> hallo ist jemand da
[05:50] <jhutchins> de! Gast458
[05:50] <jhutchins> de! | Gast458
[05:50] <jhutchins> !de | Gast458
[05:50] <ubotu> Gast458: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[05:51] <mikey> In Edgy with KDE 3.5.6, I can't get Konqueror to show previews in the file tips. I set it and it works for a little bit then quits. Anybody have the same problem?
[05:51] <jhutchins> Gast458: Mein Deutsch is zehr alt und slecht.
[05:51] <dec_> I just pulled up the beryl website and every download is a tar ball, how do you install those
[05:52] <jhutchins> !tarball | dec
[05:52] <ubotu> dec: Files with ".tar.gz", ".tar.bz2" or ".tgz" extensions are compressed archive formats, similar to ZIP files. See !tar for extracting them. Some of these files contain programs in source code form; see !compile for getting them to run.
[05:53] <jhutchins> dec_: Be sure to look for the packages in apt first though.
[05:53] <dec_> where do i input !compile?
[05:54] <jhutchins> Right here!
[05:54] <jhutchins> !compile
[05:54] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[05:54] <jhutchins> like that.
[05:54] <dec_> !compile
[05:56] <eeos> hi there. has the open source java been relesead yet? which package is in the repository?
[05:56] <iroxorsju> is there full games in the package manager
[05:58] <eeos> I found several, some are called java5 and some java6 but none of them reports any news about the type of license
[05:58] <eeos> both of them have the source package, so it looks like the source is open
[05:58] <MetaBookfoziS> sun has opened java's source
[05:59] <eeos> MetaBookfoziS yes, but from what version? the ones in the repository are already the open one?
[05:59] <MetaBookfoziS> yep
[05:59] <MetaBookfoziS> only open and free is in the main repos
[05:59] <anything> !beryl
[05:59] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:59] <MetaBookfoziS> restricted repos have the free but closed ones...
[05:59] <MetaBookfoziS> like nvidia driver etc...
[05:59] <eeos> MetaBookfoziS I have all the respositories on
[06:00] <anything> hi.. help i'm on xgl mode now... and its lagging badly if i try to move the windows..helppp
[06:01] <eeos> MetaBookfoziS they are all in multiverse
[06:02] <MetaBookfoziS> i think, google for that
[06:02] <MetaBookfoziS> it's a big thing
[06:02] <MetaBookfoziS> so i think posted on thousads of blogs
[06:02] <MetaBookfoziS> i dunno more
[06:03] <eeos> MetaBookfoziS yes, indeed, I read a bout it quite a lot, but it is now clear what is the level of inclusion
[06:03] <waylandbill> OMG! so close but then this: (II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering broken on XPRESS 200 and 200M
[06:04] <arthur_kalm> hmm
[06:05] <dec_> I have xorg-driver-fglrx installed but I do not have direct rendering how do i get this to install i have an ati card
[06:05] <arthur_kalm> I managed to fix my dual monitor problem thanks to some people in #ubuntu-effects
[06:05] <arthur_kalm> however, now the fonts in all the applications are _tiny_
[06:05] <arthur_kalm> i tired to change the font in kcontrol, but it made no difference
[06:06] <dec_> I have xorg-driver-fglrx installed but I do not have direct rendering how do i get this to install i have an ati card
[06:07] <anything> help..why fglrxinfo shows i'm on Mesa after i created a session to run in glx ??
[06:07] <anything> before i run in glx it was ATi something
[06:08] <arthur_kalm> anyone? these fonts are killing my eyes :(
[06:08] <Godet> turk varm hc
[06:08] <Godet> =)
[06:08] <BluesKaj> !tr
[06:08] <ubotu> Turk ubuntu kullanicilari, turkce yardim yada geyik icin #ubuntu-tr hizmetinizde.
[06:08] <Godet> e superms
[06:09] <dec_> how do i get direct rendering
[06:10] <MetaBookfoziS> arthur_kalm > one, isntall msttcorefonts
[06:10] <MetaBookfoziS> two you need to restart your apps
[06:10] <Mena> How to set a folder to Hidden
[06:10] <MetaBookfoziS> the font setting is only on the newest opened wins
[06:10] <dec_> i installed xorg driver-fglx and now i do not have direct rendering how do i get direct rendering
[06:10] <MetaBookfoziS> Mena >  on linux no hidden folder as you think from windows
[06:11] <MetaBookfoziS> the folders that rpefixes with . are hided by default on some apps
[06:11] <arthur_kalm> MetaBookfoziS: I'll try that thank you
[06:11] <MetaBookfoziS> because that is configuration directories
[06:11] <MetaBookfoziS> arthur_kalm > okay
[06:11] <eeos> how do you restart alsa after the sound driver crashed and unloaded the modules from the kernel?
[06:11] <Mena> MetaBookfoziS,ohh ok
[06:11] <x04ty29er> reboot?
[06:11] <MetaBookfoziS> Mena >  but you can set the persmissions to others can'T list a folder
[06:11] <cox377> does KDM change anything other than the login screen?
[06:12] <Mena> MetaBookfoziS,okay
[06:12] <MetaBookfoziS> so that folders that is in that, are hidden (uh my english grammar...:))
[06:12] <Mena> MetaBookfoziS,i laso guess that
[06:12] <arthur_kalm> MetaBookfoziS, I think that during some attempts at getting the repos synced I removed some font package...
[06:12] <Mena> also*
[06:12] <dec_> I have xorg-driver-fglrx installed but I do not have direct rendering how do i get this to install i have an ati card
[06:12] <arthur_kalm> where do the aptitude logs live?
[06:12] <MetaBookfoziS> /var/log?
[06:12] <cox377> !kdm
[06:12] <ubotu> kdm: X display manager for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 611 kB, installed size 1480 kB
[06:13] <cox377> anyone?
[06:13] <MetaBookfoziS> cox377 > that is only a display manager:)
[06:13] <arthur_kalm> MetaBookfoziS, hehe it's there
[06:13] <MetaBookfoziS> that displays the shiny screen
[06:13] <iroxorsju> how do i get a .run file to work
[06:13] <MetaBookfoziS> and able to do some things
[06:13] <cox377> MetaBookfoziS: what do u mean when u say display manageR?
[06:13] <dec_> does anyone know?
[06:13] <Mena> Hen the kdmtheme manger for Login screen
[06:13] <MetaBookfoziS> such as remote login, or other de starting... rebooting etc
[06:13] <Mena> mean*
[06:13] <Mena> wait a seconed
[06:13] <MetaBookfoziS> hen?
[06:14] <Mena> he*
[06:14] <Mena> sorry
[06:14] <BluesKaj> dec , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-c966b2cb7c82944d6883f27a2896725db3b90a3a
[06:14] <MetaBookfoziS> the login screen _is_ kdm:)
[06:14] <dec_> blues thank you
[06:14] <MetaBookfoziS> or gdm if you uses gnome(brr) or xdm if you uses xfce
[06:15] <Mena> MetaBookfoziS, but you cant choose you logng scrren untill you install it for the login screen
[06:15] <MetaBookfoziS> cox377 > and kdm can do some preloading... iirc
[06:15] <Mena> your*
[06:15] <MetaBookfoziS> no
[06:15] <MetaBookfoziS> you can
[06:15] <Mena> manauly
[06:15] <MetaBookfoziS> sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[06:15] <MetaBookfoziS> or when you install other display manager, it asks for the default
[06:15] <cox377> MetaBookfoziS: i've got it installed and loaded some themes but all that seems to change is the login screen
[06:16] <MetaBookfoziS> yep
[06:16] <MetaBookfoziS> because you have downloaded and installed login screen themes
[06:16] <MetaBookfoziS> not more, not less:)
[06:16] <Mena> yes
[06:16] <jhutchins> cox377: Right.  *dm handles the login and the choice of the window manager, then it passes you off to the window manager.
[06:16] <jhutchins> kde themes would affect the actual desktop environment.
[06:17] <MetaBookfoziS> kde has 1000 type of theme...
[06:17] <ubuntu_> french?
[06:17] <MetaBookfoziS> from kdm theme to color scheme...
[06:17] <MetaBookfoziS> you can check anything on kde-look.org
[06:17] <cox377> MetaBookfoziS: ok mate i shall take a look
[06:18] <Mena> you have a theme managet For the window manager in setting
[06:18] <Mena> manager*
[06:18] <iroxorsju> CAN SOMONE HELP ME OUT HERE
[06:18] <iroxorsju> oops
[06:18] <iroxorsju> sorry for caps
[06:18] <ubuntu_> what's the channel for ubuntu's french users?
[06:19] <Mena> !ubuntu's french
[06:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu's french - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:19] <ubuntu_> i've try : #ubuntu.fr
[06:19] <iroxorsju> anyone help me out right quick?
[06:20] <HymnToLife> ubuntu_, ut's  #ubuntu-fr
[06:20] <HymnToLife> it*
[06:20] <ubuntu_> HymnToLife: thanks
[06:22] <iroxorsju> for some reason it won't let me type in a window
[06:23] <iroxorsju> bout time to go back to windows
[06:27] <quetz> I believe I'm having EFI problems, can anyone confirm getting ubuntu in any flavor up on an apple xserve?
[06:29] <cox377> does anyone here use songbird?
[06:29] <exobuzz> quetz: I have debian running on Intel based mac.
[06:29] <exobuzz> quetz: via EFI
[06:30] <quetz> exobuzz: did you have to do anything special to get it to work?
[06:30] <quetz> exobuzz: elilo and grub2 both fail to bootstrap any of the kernels we've tried
[06:30] <quetz> exobuzz: they get as far as loading the initrd, then everything takes a dump
[06:31] <cox377> !songbird
[06:31] <exobuzz> quetz: well. custom built kernel, and loaded via elilo, which is loaded form teh network, hmm.. how does the kernel die ?
[06:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about songbird - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:31] <ghost> hi linux funs
[06:32] <ghost> :)
[06:32] <quetz> exobuzz:  I'm not convinced the kernel was ever alive... it doesn't panic... it just sorta stops after the bootloader reaches "startkernel"
[06:34] <quetz> exobuzz: We've been theorizing that since the xserves are the only intel macs not supported by bootcamp that perhaps they lack some legacy stuff that the kernel may be using
[06:34] <quetz> exobuzz:  the xserves have gotten no firmware patches since the bootcamp stuff first started
[06:34] <exobuzz> you sure the kernel is getting loaded though ? how are you viewing the output ? do you know if your kernel has support for itthe xserve display ?
[06:35] <quetz> exobuzz: Nope, we initially weren't sure that the kernel had halted, so we configured serial bootargs... but we never see anything from that either
[06:36] <quetz> exobuzz:  But there's no disk activity... its entirely possible that the kernel is halted and we can't see the output to diagnose the problem
[06:36] <quetz> exobuzz:  But we also have no reason to suspect that its working at all
[06:36] <exobuzz> quetz: patcha kernel with latest mactel-linux patches and try it ?
[06:36] <exobuzz> http://www.mactel-linux.org/
[06:37] <quetz> exobuzz:  I think our kernel supposedly is at that patchlevel... we successfully boot it on a macbook pro core duo... but we are unable to reproduce the results on an intel xserve
[06:37] <quetz> exobuzz:  also works on a mac pro desktop
[06:37] <quetz> exobuzz:  just not our xserves
[06:37] <exobuzz> oh hmm.. im not sure I can help. i can only suggest you ask for more advice from the mactel-linux list. perhaps someone else there has a similar setup ?
[06:37] <exobuzz> (someone esle who is rich enough to afford an xserve) :-)
[06:38] <Schuenemann> !printer
[06:38] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[06:39] <quetz> exobuzz: heh, I tried the mactel guys on irc, they weren't very responsive... I think its a problem specific to the xserves and nobody's got one to test on but us
[06:39] <quetz> exobuzz:  thanks for trying tho help tho!
[06:39] <exobuzz> quetz: perhaps the mailinglist will be more useful than the irc channel..
[06:40] <exobuzz> there are quite a lot of people on the list.
[06:40] <atidem> hi
[06:40] <quetz> exobuzz:  good suggestion, I'll try it
[06:42] <Schuenemann> can anyone help setting up an HP printer?
[06:42] <Schuenemann> on dapper
[06:43] <HymnToLife> !printer
[06:43] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[06:43] <stamen> hi
[06:44] <Schuenemann> I get errors with cups
[06:44] <stamen> with which program I can make themes for kde
[06:44] <DaSkreech> I'm having an issue with a folder
[06:44] <eyedol59> i am trying to install a new kernel image, could anybody please help me?
[06:44] <DaSkreech>  if i try to run a script on the folder the folder cahnges it's name
[06:44] <DaSkreech> changes
[06:44] <HymnToLife> eyedol59, just ask your question
[06:45] <Schuenemann> HymnToLife, to you have an HP and use HPLIP?
[06:46] <HymnToLife> nope
[06:46] <Schuenemann> why doesn't HP provide tools for linux?
[06:46] <Schuenemann> only windows and mac
[06:46] <eyedol59> ok, i am running a i386 kernel on a AMD64 754, and i wanted to know if the K7 kernel image will work with my processor.
[06:47] <HymnToLife> eyedol59, yes but you will see very little performance gain
[06:48] <HymnToLife> eyedol59, which ubuntu are you running ?
[06:48] <DaSkreech> anyone ever have that issue?
[06:48] <eyedol59> the last Kubuntu release (6.10, i think)
[06:49] <HymnToLife> eyedol59, install the generic kernel then
[06:49] <HymnToLife> the k76 one doesn't exist anymore
[06:49] <stamen> who knows how to create KDE themes
[06:49] <HymnToLife> k7*
[06:49] <eyedol59> by generic you mean the i386 kernel?
[06:50] <HymnToLife> no
[06:50] <HymnToLife> the genrric
[06:51] <HymnToLife> sudo apt-get install linux-generic
[06:51] <HymnToLife> !info linux-generic edgy
[06:51] <eyedol59> ok thank!
[06:51] <ubotu> linux-generic: Complete Generic Linux kernel. In component restricted, is optional. Version 2.6.17.11 (edgy), package size 23 kB, installed size 52 kB
[06:52] <uros> hi all. i like my menu's to be on top i the panel (mac os) and have done this. the thig i am missing is that the panel also states the name of the current application (now the menu changes, but you are not sure which application they belong to). anyone have an idea how to do this? any applet?
[06:53] <makka2> Hi all..i wanted to ask if anyone knows an applet to show email status (i i have new mail)under KDE.
[06:53] <makka2> I serche in kde-look,but nothing
[06:54] <jhutchins_lt> makka2: If you're running kmail, there is an option in the configuration to use the system tray; it will display an icon with the number of new messgaes.  You can also enable other forms of mail notification in kmail.
[06:54] <Mena> Freinds
[06:55] <jhutchins_lt> makka2: If you're not running kmail, there are mail notification applications you can find in aptitude.
[06:56] <waylandbill> !kshowmail
[06:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kshowmail - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:56] <Mena> Is there a progarm to make and iso file with Auto run and design a cd ...did you understand me ?
[06:57] <waylandbill> !kbiff
[06:57] <ubotu> kbiff: KDE mail notification utility. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.8.0-0ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 261 kB, installed size 1184 kB
[06:57] <Mena> like making an auto run cd
[06:58] <Schuenemann> It was not possible to retrieve the list of printers. Error message received from the manager: The connection with CUPS server failed. Check if the the CUPS server was correctly installed and is being ran. IPP request failed due to an unknown reason
[06:58] <waylandbill> Mena: you mean like Windows reading the autorun.inf?
[06:58] <Schuenemann> what could this be?
[06:58] <Mena> waylandbill, yes something like that
[06:58] <makka2> ok,thanks all,very nice
[07:01] <waylandbill> Mena: maybe try here: http://research.silmaril.ie/autoruncd/
[07:02] <Schuenemann> !cups
[07:02] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[07:03] <DaSkreech>  if i try to run a script on the folder the folder changes it's name
[07:04] <Schuenemann> why isn't this damn cups working?
[07:04] <drkm> does anyone here use Kget successfully with rapidshare?
[07:05] <DaSkreech> nixternal: ping
[07:08] <nixternal> DaSkreech: pong?
[07:08] <DaSkreech> Universe and multiverse enabled by default?
[07:09] <nixternal> yes
[07:09] <DaSkreech> That's for all *buntu?
[07:09] <nixternal> Kubuntu that I know of, the others I don't know
[07:09] <drkm> does anyone here use Kget successfully with rapidshare?
[07:09] <HymnToLife> uni- and multiverse are not enabled by default
[07:09] <nixternal> drkm: can't say that I have tried
[07:09] <jhutchins_lt> Schuenemann: What's da problem?
[07:09] <DaSkreech> HymnToLife: Not according to breaking news :)
[07:10] <nixternal> HymnToLife: with Herd 4 they are in Kubuntu
[07:10] <DaSkreech> nixternal: oh thanks to the team for my favourite gripe being fixed
[07:10] <nixternal> hehe
[07:10] <nixternal> DaSkreech: it was only a matter of time
[07:10] <DaSkreech> Changelogs in Adept :)
[07:10] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:10] <DaSkreech> hooray :)
[07:10] <|lostbyte|> Whats the best sound studio ?
[07:11] <nixternal> yes, that is about enough to make me start using Adept more and more now
[07:11] <Schuenemann> jhutchins_lt, I'm trying to setup my printer, and when I go to system admin > printer I get this message:
[07:11] <Schuenemann> It was not possible to retrieve the list of printers. Error message received from the manager: The connection with CUPS server failed. Check if the the CUPS server was correctly installed and is running. IPP request failed due to an unknown reason
[07:11] <DaSkreech> |lostbyte|: One Love Studio down the road from me
[07:11] <nixternal> |lostbyte|: Audacity is popular, but seeing as jono is my hero, I have to say jokosher is good as well
[07:11] <nixternal> only issue with jokosher with KDE is it has to install the gtk libs
[07:11] <jhutchins_lt> Schuenemann: k, start the cupsd service then.
[07:11] <|lostbyte|> :).. nixternal , tx will look it up..
[07:12] <Schuenemann> jhutchins_lt, I see cupsd in process table
[07:12] <nixternal> |lostbyte|: I am guessing you are referring to editing tracks and what not, or customizing some tunes :)
[07:12] <jhutchins_lt> Schuenemann: I know ther have been  a lot of people who have had trouble with that.  What happens when you go to localhost:631 in a web browser?
[07:13] <Schuenemann> jhutchins_lt, cups
[07:13] <Schuenemann> 1.2.2
[07:13] <Schuenemann> that means it's running, right?
[07:13] <jhutchins_lt> Ok, verified that cups is running.  Yes.
[07:13] <|lostbyte|> nixternal, i am look for something, like audacity but with tools to mix, and add beats.. and many plugins..
[07:13] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Who was thE on-by-default DECIDED BY?
[07:14] <|lostbyte|> Something like Fruityloops..
[07:14] <jhutchins_lt> I'm a bit distracted, there's a huge fire right next door to my favorite local pub, and I'm watching it on the news.
[07:14] <Schuenemann> wow
[07:14] <jhutchins_lt> Schuenemann: Coverage supposedly on msnbc.
[07:14] <nixternal> DaSkreech: that I couldn't tell you, I would have to say at least the master himself
[07:15] <Schuenemann> jhutchins_lt, I see "new printers found"
[07:15] <jhutchins_lt> ANyway:  You'll need to enable admin access, see http://jhutchins.blogspot.com for how.
[07:15] <Schuenemann> jhutchins_lt, should I add from this web panel?
[07:16] <DaSkreech> nixternal: <whisper> the dictator? </whisper>
[07:16] <abhinay> is there any gdesklet like application in KDE ?
[07:16] <jhutchins_lt> Schuenemann: You'll need to fix admin access first before you can make changes from there.
[07:17] <Schuenemann> ok, I'll try
[07:18] <Schuenemann> it says I'm already a member
[07:18] <DaSkreech> nixternal: damn it now I have to upgrade to feisty just for changelogs
[07:18] <DaSkreech> nixternal: When is beta due?
[07:18] <Schuenemann> User otto is already a member from lpadmin
[07:19] <jhutchins_lt> Schuenemann: Yeah, I think that's variable.  The only other thing is adding cupsuser to shadow.
[07:19] <Schuenemann> what is shadow?
[07:19] <jhutchins_lt> Access to the password file so cups can verify the user.
[07:19] <Schuenemann> not dangerous?
[07:20] <Schuenemann> well, added
[07:21] <DaSkreech> I have a problem if i try to run a script on the folder the folder changes it's name
[07:21] <DaSkreech> !schedule
[07:21] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[07:22] <DaSkreech> !feisty
[07:22] <Mena> How to add a link fot the trash on desktop
[07:22] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[07:22] <Mena> for*
[07:23] <Schuenemann> jhutchins_lt, sigh... my printer is not in the list
[07:24] <jhutchins_lt> Schuenemann: Not in the list of printers you can add?
[07:24] <Schuenemann> yes
[07:25] <Schuenemann> I'm not sure if adding to shadow worked, as I still get the error from system config
[07:25] <Schuenemann> jhutchins_lt, do you have an HP?
[07:25] <jhutchins_lt> Actually a brother now, just sent my old HP4 out the door.
[07:26] <Schuenemann> did you use HPLIP?
[07:26] <jhutchins_lt> Schuenemann: system config may still not work, but now you can save changes in cups directly.
[07:26] <jhutchins_lt> Schuenemann: It'll ask you for username and password.
[07:27] <jhutchins_lt> Schuenemann: HPLIP?  No, but you may be able to find cups support for it on the web.
[07:27] <Schuenemann> HPLIP says is support my model
[07:28] <Schuenemann> says it support*
[07:28] <jhutchins_lt> Oh, yeah, it's a bunch of cups stuff for newer hp things.
[07:29] <Schuenemann> HP sucks
[07:29] <Mena_> how to change a boot splash screen
[07:29] <Mena_> any idea
[07:30] <jhutchins_lt> Schuenemann: Actually, they do make an effort to help with that hplip package.  Do you have it installed?
[07:30] <Schuenemann> I'm installing
[07:31] <Schuenemann> they provide a CD for windows and mac, why not linux too?
[07:31] <DaSkreech> nixternal: damn Ubuntu one upped us
[07:31] <jhutchins_lt> Schuenemann: Yeah, it's a bit of a mess to have to install two or three diferent systems to control the printer, but once you get everything talking to each other it works.
[07:31] <HymnToLife> because linux users don't need cd's
[07:31] <HymnToLife> they get everything through t3h int3rweb
[07:32] <jhutchins_lt> Also because linux is able to be far more up to date than a CD.  Have a look at the file dates on that CD.
[07:32] <Schuenemann> well, their software have an auto-update
[07:33] <Schuenemann> HymnToLife, from where, exacly?
[07:34] <sorush21> hi
[07:34] <dianah> hi
[07:34] <sorush21> where does the basket save files to?
[07:34] <dianah> generally your desktop
[07:36] <jbranco> has anyone heard of or used this keyboard?  http://www.virtual-laser-keyboard.com/f-a-q.asp
[07:37] <mart81> Mena_: trash icon on desktop -> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Trash (2 secs google btw)
[07:37] <sorush21> jbranco: yes
[07:37] <antoine> yes
[07:37] <jbranco> sorushave you used it or heard of it?
[07:37] <jbranco> sorush21:*
[07:38] <sorush21> jbranco: I haven't used it
[07:38] <sorush21> no
[07:39] <sorush21> I did read a review on it jbranco it is good
[07:39] <Schuenemann> sorush21, ~/.local/share/Trash/files/
[07:39] <jbranco> sorush21: thanx
[07:40] <juanjoCBA> hola amigos, hay alguien de argentina?
[07:40] <Schuenemann> !es | juanjoCBA
[07:40] <ubotu> juanjoCBA: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:40] <juanjoCBA> gracias...
[07:43] <Schuenemann> jhutchins_lt, hey, I printed a test page
[07:43] <Schuenemann> and wasted a lot of color ink
[07:44] <Schuenemann> now I just need the copy and scanner to work
[07:46] <Tresko> Hi all! Thanx for all of you :) Where can I find dvd torrents of the complete Kubuntu repositories?
[07:47] <BluesKaj> Tresko, do you mean distros ?
[07:47] <BluesKaj> !kubuntu
[07:47] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[07:47] <bxnp> !umuntu
[07:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about umuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:50] <Tresko> BluesKaj: Well, I mean the DVD, and hopefully the DVDs of the repositories...
[07:50] <bonbonthejon> Tresko: if you download the kubuntu DVD it has some packages on it
[07:53] <Tresko> bonbonthejon: yes, that is true... But the distro have 2 more dvds right?
[07:53] <bonbonthejon> Tresko: why cant you just use the repos, why do you need a dvd
[07:53] <Tresko> bonbonthejon: offline issue...
[07:54] <bonbonthejon> oh
[07:54] <Tresko> bonbonthejon: of course... I could reape all repos :)
[07:55] <bonbonthejon> Tresko: http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/ubuntu/edgy/release/ shows only one dvd
[07:55] <scope> !nvidia64
[07:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nvidia64 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:55] <scope> !nvidia
[07:55] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:55] <BluesKaj> Tresko, you can use the dvd /cd distro as a repos if you wish but the online repos are updated regularly and are a more up to date source for pkges
[07:57] <ubuntu> hi
[07:57] <tnt__> hi
[07:57] <bonbonthejon> hi
[07:57] <Tresko> ubuntu: hi :)
[07:58] <Tresko> ubuntu: you're at kubuntu ;)
[07:58] <NightBird> Tresko, so he is...
[07:58] <bonbonthejon> awww :(, you scared him off
[08:03] <sorush21> when is auto config coming into action? I'm fedup with havinging to install dependencies
[08:03] <bonbonthejon> sorush21: where are you trying to install from? apt-get?
[08:03] <sorush21> source
[08:04] <bonbonthejon> sorush21: i think you can use adept to install from source, it should also do dependencies
[08:05] <bonbonthejon> sorush21: nevermind, it doesnt look like it
[08:09] <jhutchins> That's the whole reason for not installing from source.
[08:09] <jhutchins> That's what a package manager is for.
[08:09] <SpeS> hi
[08:09] <bonbonthejon> hi SpeS
[08:10] <SpeS> is it possible to run aiglx/xgl and compiz/beryl from the LIVE dvd?
[08:10] <SpeS> with edgy...
[08:10] <bonbonthejon> jhutchins: sometimes you want to compile your stuff
[08:10] <AWOSLappy> Whenever I try to use certain fonts on my system, KDE/Qt applications cannot use them (it defaults to Sans Serif) but GTK-based apps (such as AbiWord or OOo) can.  When I ran KWord from the Konsole so that I could see output, after clicking the font in the Format->Font window it printed this "couldn't open fontconfigs chosen font with Xft!!!".
[08:10] <sorush21> could someone please hoste a packge for me
[08:10] <bonbonthejon> sorush21: what do you mean
[08:12] <sorush21> i have compiles and made a .deb package with checkinstall could someone host it on the sources list?
[08:14] <mike__> SpeS: I don't thing it is possible, because you need drivers for your graphics card which support 3d
[08:16] <anatoli> ima  li nqkoi ot bulgaria
[08:17] <fdoving> !bg | andres
[08:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bg - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:17] <fdoving> ehm.. wrong nick and all.
[08:17] <Godet> !yarrak
[08:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about yarrak - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:17] <andres> hi?
[08:17] <fdoving> andres: sorry, i used the wrong nick.
[08:17] <SpeS> mike__, how does kubuntu install them?
[08:20] <mike__> SpeS: Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy
[08:20] <SpeS> ok mike__  thanks :)
[08:20] <daleach> hey guys anyone know how to determine what "mode" (resolution) i'm in from within X? I know if you hit control/alt/nupad + - u get to switch between but... need to know which one
[08:20] <SpeS> daleach, try randr
[08:21] <SpeS> or xrandr
[08:21] <SpeS> or something like that xD
[08:21] <fdoving> 'xrandr'
[08:21] <fdoving> in konsole.
[08:21] <SpeS> xrand as root
[08:21] <SpeS> xrandr
[08:21] <fdoving> no, not as root.
[08:21] <fdoving> as the user running the X server.
[08:21] <SpeS> truw
[08:21] <SpeS> true
[08:24] <dickensoft> sabria alguien decirme como configurar kmail para correo yahoo ?
[08:27] <daleach> spes fdoving: thanks
[08:27] <SpeS> :)
[08:32] <daleach> with xrandr -q is the * the res that I am in?
[08:32] <daleach> or default right?
[08:32] <daleach> because when id o + - ........doesn't seem to change
[08:32] <daleach> so actually less there is an option i'm missing this actually isn't doing what i want (still useful to see the values here aren't the same as in my xorg.conf hehe
[08:49] <MsK`lappy> hi
[08:51] <Anton99> people please help :) why i can defragment my partition in kubuntu?
[08:52] <MsK`lappy> Anton99: because it's useless
[08:52] <MsK`lappy> how can I enable TV out ? ( kubuntu, edgy, ati FireGL v3200 mobility )
[08:52] <Anton99> MsK`lappy, but how i can defragment it? i very need.
[08:52] <MsK`lappy> i tried with atitvout but nothing for the moment
[08:53] <MsK`lappy> Anton99: a windows partition ?
[08:53] <Anton99> no, reiserfs
[08:53] <MsK`lappy> Anton99: so you don't need, it's useless.
[08:54] <Anton99> MsK`lappy, thx
[08:54] <me_> hi, i got a little problem... after booting my system i dont get automaticaly in my graphical interface. i need to start the x server everytimes manual. or sometimes does ctrl + alt + f7 the trick too. any ideas pls?
[08:54] <x1alpha> anyway to remove the ugly gtk look from emerald themer ?
[08:54] <MsK`lappy> x1alpha: port it to Qt haha :)
[08:55] <x1alpha> MsK`lappy : hehe
[08:55] <x1alpha> its an eyesore
[08:56] <bonbonthejon> me_: does startx work ok
[08:56] <me_> jep it works fine
[08:56] <bonbonthejon> me_: did you change anything recently
[08:56] <me_> it only doesnt it automaticaly
[08:57] <me_> it a long time ago since i got this error
[08:57] <me_> maybe 2-3 weeks
[08:58] <me_> but its annoying with the time so i decided to fix it (or at least try it) now
[08:59] <bonbonthejon> me_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:59] <Sanne> me_: is kdm configured to start at boot? You can check in system settings/system services
[08:59] <bonbonthejon> Sanne: oh yeah, i forget kdm
[09:00] <Sanne> bonbonthejon: :)
[09:00] <me_> yes i think so but ill take a look again w8 a sec
[09:01] <x1alpha> okee i installed kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu, but the login manager being used is still gdm, even though i chose kdm :( anyway to change that ?
[09:01] <me_> btw there is one think which i dont understand in the system services. the "Multyuser Mode"
[09:02] <me_> *thing
[09:02] <bonbonthejon> x1alpha: there is a way, hold on let me look
[09:02] <x1alpha> bonbonthejon: tahnks
[09:02] <Sanne> me_: it's the run level 2, default for normal operation on linux.
[09:02] <bonbonthejon> x1alpha: one way would be to remove gdm
[09:03] <me_> ok kdm is set to start but x11-common not... could this be the problem?
[09:04] <x1alpha> bonbonthejon: the other ? i need to try kde out before starting removing gnome components
[09:04] <bonbonthejon> x1alpha:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[09:04] <Sanne> me_: I don't know if that's a problem, but for me it is set to start at boot.
[09:04] <bonbonthejon> x1alpha: it will ask which you want to us
[09:04] <bonbonthejon> e
[09:04] <me_> ok ty then ill try it brb
[09:05] <Sanne> ok
[09:05] <x1alpha> okey thanks :)
[09:05] <x1alpha> brb restarting x
[09:08] <me_> damn. nothing changed
[09:09] <me_> how i sayed: after booting i get a black screen. then i can press ctrl + alt + f7 and kdm is starting normally.
[09:09] <me_> i dont know how this "ctrl + alt + f7 " mode is called but maybe my linux isnt starting in this mode
[09:10] <Sanne> me_: sorry to hear that. A shot in the dark: I had similar problems once and traced it down to the boot splash not giving the focus to kdm.
[09:10] <Sanne> me_: I solved it by disabling the boot splash in /boot/grub/menu.lst, might be worth a try.
[09:10] <me_> ok i try w8
[09:11] <daleach> can anyone with nvidia-glx installed check something for me? i'm wondering what should show in system settings->display->graphics card: ___ and driver: ____
[09:11] <daleach> i have nv , nv
[09:11] <daleach> and it says
[09:11] <juano_> daleach: you can choose, nvidia or nv for Driver
[09:11] <juano_> daleach: if you want 3D rendering just use nvidia
[09:11] <daleach> 'NVIDIA GeForce 6800 (generic)' in detected grpahics card
[09:12] <juano_> !nvidia | daleach
[09:12] <ubotu> daleach: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:12] <daleach> oh god i didn't see that
[09:12] <daleach> now the toher thing is though...i think i did that once but now it says still driver nv
[09:12] <daleach> is driver still ok for nv?
[09:12] <juano_> daleach: :)
[09:13] <juano_> daleach: as long as your not gaming or using beryl, i guess so
[09:13] <daleach> well yeah i prob will be but the real issue is i have these 2 widescreen monitors that make everything a mission
[09:13] <daleach> 1680x1050@60
[09:13] <juano_> daleach: i got a Nvidia X5500 256 MB and use nvidia
[09:13] <me_> i am new to linux and havent got the experience. could u help me by editing this menu.lst pls?: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6131/
[09:13] <daleach> they're supposed to be......in the past i have custom edited the xf86config for that but this time...
[09:14] <me_> or better help me to edit this
[09:14] <me_> jus say what i sould do :)
[09:14] <juano_> daleach: if you run a tool , dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg , you can personalize everything in the xorg.conf file with a tutorial/guide help
[09:14] <Sanne> me_: sure, I'll have a look (and if you talk to me, please type my nae so I get notified by my chat client)
[09:14] <Sanne> me_: s/nae/name
[09:14] <me_> Sanne: sure sry
[09:15] <Sanne> me_: np
[09:15] <juano_> me_: well, we need to know how you partition, from what i see i suppose you have Ubuntu as primary partion in 1st IDE HDD
[09:16] <juano_> me_: cause of the (hd0,0)
[09:16] <daleach> oh i was following the suggestions and doing -phigh
[09:16] <Sanne> me_: two possibilities: you can just remove "splash" from lines 3 and 17 by hand. But there's a catch...
[09:16] <daleach> to reset but there's a guided menu thing or soemthing?
[09:16] <vlt|home> Hello. What can I do when my Konqueror (as file browser) suddenly changes its encoding to 8bit and shows me wrong utf8 filenames?
[09:16] <juano_> daleach: yea -phigh is good
[09:16] <daleach> whoops shouldv'e man'd it
[09:16] <daleach> hehe
[09:16] <daleach> well it isn't doing jack for me
[09:16] <me_> Sanne: hm maybe i can make a new entry
[09:17] <Sanne> me_: usually you configure the boot options in the comment section above (which you didn't paste), and run update-grub...
[09:17] <Sanne> me_: wait
[09:17] <me_> Sanne: with the modified boot optioin
[09:17] <daleach> juano_: question is shouldn't i be seeing glx or somethign in my system settings display?
[09:17] <juano_> vlt|home: go to settings, Konqueror settings
[09:17] <juano_> vlt|home: then go to font
[09:17] <Sanne> me_: if you don't do it the official way, your changes might be overridden when the system runs update-grub (e.g. after a kernel update.
[09:17] <Sanne> me_: so, I would recommend:
[09:17] <daleach> "nvidia-glx" is supposedly installed
[09:17] <juano_> vlt|home: you can check the default encoding there
[09:18] <Sanne> me_: do it now by hand, try if it helps. If it does, we'll do it the official way together.
[09:18] <juano_> daleach: try nvidia-settings
[09:18] <Sanne> me_: done :)
[09:18] <daleach> ah ok
[09:18] <juano_> daleach: type nvidia-settings
[09:18] <daleach> asdfasdf;akfa;sf;
[09:18] <daleach> nice one
[09:18] <daleach> hehe
[09:18] <daleach> funny because that package says a p next to it...
[09:19] <daleach> k so it comes with nvidia-glx
[09:19] <daleach> ij guess?
[09:19] <juano_> daleach: yes
[09:19] <juano_> daleach: if you think your xorg.conf is not well configured you should try the sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[09:20] <daleach> nah that gets me no where
[09:20] <daleach> at all
[09:20] <daleach> maybe without the phigh to do custom
[09:20] <me_> Sanne: hm i didnt really understand the "usally way" because what will be the result of editing something which is commendet
[09:20] <daleach> it doesn't just magically work out of the box
[09:20] <vlt|home> juano_: Thank you, I'll try.
[09:20] <daleach> it didn't in install its not going to now heh
[09:20] <me_> *commented
[09:20] <juano_> daleach: ok try without the -phigh yes
[09:20] <daleach> btw
[09:20] <daleach> i have errors
[09:20] <daleach> on the console when diong nvidia-settings
[09:21] <daleach> it loads but let me pastebin
[09:21] <Sanne> me_: actually, the lines with only one # will be read by update-grub and put after all the kernel start line. It confused my first also.
[09:21] <juano_> daleach: probably permission errors, try sudo nvidia-settings
[09:21] <daleach> oh ok
[09:21] <me_> Sanne: oh hadn't known it
[09:21] <daleach> nah same
[09:21] <Sanne> me_: the line that you would need to change is: # defoptions=quiet splash
[09:21] <Sanne> me_: to # defoptions=quiet
[09:21] <christian23nv> hola a tof
[09:21] <christian23nv> todos
[09:22] <christian23nv> me pregunto si algun usuario
[09:22] <Sanne> me_: and then run update-grub (in any case, make a backup of menu.lst first)
[09:22] <christian23nv> experimentado linux
[09:22] <juano_> !es | christian23nv:
[09:22] <ubotu> christian23nv:: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[09:22] <christian23nv> me puede echar una mano
[09:22] <juano_> christian23nv: si
[09:22] <juano_> christian23nv: entra a kubuntu-es
[09:22] <me_> Sanne: ok found it so... ill try it the "unusual way" if it works i come back k?
[09:23] <Sanne> me_: yep, that's what I would do.
[09:24] <me_> Sanne: ok made a backup and changed the menu.lst ill try it now brb
[09:24] <Sanne> me_: ok
[09:25] <dragon_>  HOLA?
[09:25] <dragon_> umm
[09:26] <SYSDragon>  Hola
[09:26] <SYSDragon>  hola?
[09:27] <daleach> juano should i do use kernel framebuffer device interface?
[09:27] <me_> Sanne: :( nothing changed...
[09:28] <donovan> qu pasa?
[09:28] <x1alpha> hmm now i cant find the line with ServerCmd in kdmrc !!??
[09:28] <Sanne> me_: oh well... it was worth a try... I'm out of ideas then, sorry.
[09:28] <Schuenemann> !printer
[09:28] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[09:29] <me_> Sanne: oh w8 i editet the menu.lst saved it... but now there is splash again in the configuration... damn why? should i made grup update or somthing like that?
[09:30] <xertra> Ok so here's my problem if anyone can help.  Today I left the house playing music on my computer through amarok  and I come home and for some odd reason No sound is coming out of my PC at all.  I know the card works becuase I ran a Live cd and it worked but I can't get it to play in Ubuntu.
[09:30] <Sanne> me_: did you see the blue kubuntu logo and the progress bar while booting?
[09:30] <me_> jep
[09:30] <me_> Sanne: jep
[09:31] <Sanne> me_: ok, then all is not lost. Your changes didn't stick somehow. Please paste again the whole /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:31] <Schuenemann> xertra, how is the volume control in kmix?
[09:32] <me_> Sanne: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6133/
[09:32] <xertra> it's at 100% and it's not muted.
[09:32] <Schuenemann> xertra, well, once something similar happened to me, but got normal again after I lowered the volume a bit
[09:33] <me_> Sanne: there are no changes :( thats the problem i think...
[09:33] <phobiac> Has anyone ever used the Public File Server applet to share files?
[09:33] <Sanne> me_: please make sure your backup is intact
[09:33] <phobiac> Oh wait
[09:33] <phobiac> I just solved my own problem
[09:33] <Schuenemann> xertra, it's playing well, but no sound?
[09:33] <phobiac> Nvm
[09:33] <me_> Sanne: jep it is
[09:34] <xertra> still doesn't work.  like it's picking up the hardware and it thinks it playing but  nothing is coming out
[09:34] <Sanne> me_: now start an editor as root: kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:35] <me_> Sanne: i have
[09:35] <daleach> why on earth does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg NOT have under medium options for resolution 1680x1050 @60 ....that's such a common config...instead it ahs @75...
[09:35] <daleach> and does escape go back? so i can choose advanced?
[09:35] <Sanne> me_: change line 86 from '# defoptions=quiet splash' to '# defoptions=quiet'
[09:36] <me_> Sanne: k i have
[09:36] <daleach> great now the thing is locked
[09:37] <Sanne> me_: ok, now save the file, and type in a terminal (we *do* have a backup, yes?): sudo update-grub
[09:38] <vlt|home> I tried "settings" -> "konqueror settings" -> "fonts" and set "standard encoding" from "country specific" to "utf8" but the file names are still shown wrong, juano__.
[09:38] <me_> Sanne: nice i think that worked (and yes i still have a backup) ill try it now ok? brb
[09:38] <juano__> vlt|home: try setting it to default language enconding
[09:38] <Sanne> me_: wait
[09:38] <BluesKaj> what version of the kubuntu edgy distros doesn't offer a choice of bootloader like grub or lilo etc ?
[09:38] <me_> Sanne: k
[09:39] <juano__> vlt|home: set the option to USE LANGUAGE ENCODING , to be exact
[09:39] <Sanne> me_: make sure there's no splash in the kernel options anymore, and the defoptions line is as you edited.
[09:39] <Sanne> me_: to update the file in the editor, if you still have it open, press F5
[09:39] <me_> Sanne: yes ive done it already
[09:40] <Sanne> me_: I'm paranoid ;) Ok, then, good luck, see you in a minute :(
[09:40] <Sanne> :)
[09:40] <me_> Sanne: :D i hope
[09:40] <Sanne> :)
[09:40] <Mena> my metabar in the navigatiob bat doesnt work any idea
[09:40] <Mena> bar*
[09:40] <vlt|home> juano__: Yes, I set it back to USE LANGUAGE ENCODING ("Sprachspezifische Kodierung verwenden" here) but still the same ...
[09:42] <Mena> any idea
[09:43] <me_> Sanne: oh jeeehaaa!!! i love u! ty very much :)
[09:43] <me_> Sanne: i think this fixed my shutdown error too
[09:43] <Sanne> me_: aaahhhh wohooo cool!
[09:43] <me_> Sanne: perfect ty very much
[09:43] <Sanne> me_: you're welcome :)
[09:43] <Mena> !metabar
[09:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about metabar - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:43] <zorglu_> !register
[09:43] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[09:46] <Axio> Hello !
[09:46] <caris_mere> I'm trying to do some partioning with QTParted, but when I select a partition, I get no options
[09:46] <vlt|home> Any idea why Konqueror (as file browser) sometimes shows me wrong utf8 filenames?
[09:48] <angasule> vlt|home: maybe because those files were created by some other OS that uses a different encoding (like windows, which tends to suck in that respect)
[09:49] <angasule> vlt|home: convmv is a little program that can help you switch the encoding of filenames
[09:49] <xpoint> maybe kubuntu sooks to :-)
[09:49] <vlt|home> angasule: ??? No, the files are encoded correctly, it's Konqueror that shows them wrong.
[09:50] <angasule> vlt|home: that's weird
[09:53] <caris_mere> I'm trying to do some partioning with QTParted, but when I select a partition, I get no options
[09:53] <vlt|home> angasule: Yes. And how to solve it?
[09:54] <BluesKaj> caris_mere, download and burn the GParted live cd ...you can boot into it to do what you need to do
[09:54] <juano__> vlt|home: mmm, it could be yes that its using some special encoding
[09:55] <vlt|home> juano__: Where do I see what it's currently using?
[09:55] <marco__> hi
[09:55] <vlt|home> (looks like it thinks it's some ISO encoding)
[09:56] <caris_mere> BluesKaj: My burner is broken
[09:58] <Mena> How to add a boot splash screen
[09:58] <zorglu_> !usplace | mena
[09:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usplace - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:58] <zorglu_> !usplash | mena
[09:58] <ubotu> mena: To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[09:58] <BluesKaj> caris_mere, bummer :(
[09:58] <caris_mere> BluesKaj: I'll just try with a live disk, thanks
[09:59] <BluesKaj> yeah it might work, knoppix is a good one
[10:00] <juano__> vlt|home: mm what ever is selected in the selection bar
[10:00] <juano__> vlt|home: is what your using
[10:00] <juano__> vlt|home: you mean the file ?
[10:01] <juano__> vlt|home: try opening it up with kate , try sudo kate myfile
[10:01] <juano__> vlt|home: then check if you can see the encoding in the options
[10:03] <juano__> vlt|home: try kdesu kate myfile, not sudo sorry
[10:03] <vlt|home> juano__: I'm not speaking of the file contents. It's the file name. It contains one utf8 encoded character. I can verify this by hexdumping the output of `ls filename`.
[10:03] <vlt|home> btw, what's the "kdesu" for?
[10:04] <juano__> !kdesu | vlt|home
[10:04] <ubotu> vlt|home: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[10:05] <juano__> vlt|home: ah ok
[10:05] <juano__> vlt|home: mm and changing to utf8 didnt help much ?
[10:06] <vlt|home> juano__: Didn't change anything ;-)
[10:06] <juano__> vlt|home: mm i see, mm im not sure how you can fix this
[10:07] <vlt|home> Anyone?
[10:08] <phobiac> Occasionally when I open firefox, it won't open. I've started trying to open it from the command line and I get this when it won't open.
[10:09] <phobiac> Segmentation fault
[10:09] <phobiac> What does this mean/how can I fix it?
[10:09] <Mena> to copy a file to folder i dont have a permision do what ...do that sudo cp (thefile)/(the place) or something else
[10:09] <phobiac> Mena that should work
[10:10] <Mena> phobiac. ok
[10:11] <soulrider> !mp3
[10:11] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:12] <caris_mere> BluesKaj: I loaded up with Knoppix, and used QTParted, and it allowed me to create one partition, but then it won't do anything else
[10:12] <evilh> adept keeps saying that something is accessing the repostiories so i can make changes
[10:12] <phobiac> evilh: What else is running?
[10:12] <evilh> i looked at the process table and see nothing obviously using adept
[10:12] <evilh> nothing else is running
[10:13] <caris_mere> Why will QTParted only allow me to do action?
[10:13] <phobiac> Is here a an icon in your toolbar that is the adept icon but has a sign with a ! on it?
[10:13] <phobiac> there*
[10:14] <evilh> phobiac: nope
[10:14] <caris_mere> I reallly need some help with partitioning
[10:14] <phobiac> caris_mere: It shouldn't be. It won't let you make another partition? Are you partitioning on unused space?
[10:14] <phobiac> evilh: hmm, you have nothing open?
[10:15] <evilh> nope. i restarted after ending my session to see if something was running in the background
[10:15] <evilh> no luck
[10:15] <caris_mere> phobiac: I deleted my NTFS partition, then I made part of it FAT32, and now I can't do anything else with QTParted
[10:16] <evilh> phobiac: kubuntu hard locked while adept was installing could that be why?
[10:16] <phobiac> caris_mere: Did you remount the drive?
[10:17] <caris_mere> phobiac: No, should I?
[10:17] <christian23nv_> juano?
[10:17] <christian23nv_> juano?
[10:17] <phobiac> evilh: That could be why. Try removing and then reinstall adept
[10:17] <soulrider> !adeptfix
[10:17] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[10:18] <phobiac> caris_mere: No idea, but try it.
[10:18] <juano__> vlt|home: any luck with encoding ?
[10:18] <phobiac> Or do that
[10:18] <christian23nv_> alguien me pude ayudar porfaaaaaaaa!!!
[10:18] <soulrider> !es | christian23nv_
[10:18] <ubotu> christian23nv_: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:18] <Mena> phobiac, do you know the meta bar i have a problem with loading it when i open konquer
[10:19] <christian23nv_> juano can u give m a hand please in order to finish with the xserver- xorg?
[10:19] <firecrotch> !inetd
[10:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about inetd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:19] <phobiac> Mena: The toolbar on the side?
[10:19] <Mena> phobiac, How to fix it .....yes
[10:19] <jager> can irssi connect to an ssl irc server?
[10:19] <evilh> YAY! success
[10:19] <firecrotch> !xinetd
[10:19] <ubotu> xinetd: replacement for inetd with many enhancements. In component main, is extra. Version 1:2.3.14-1 (edgy), package size 127 kB, installed size 356 kB
[10:19] <evilh> thanks soulrider and phobiac
[10:19] <phobiac> I didn't help much :P
[10:20] <Mena> phobiac, No prob:)
[10:20] <Mena>  :)
[10:20] <phobiac> jager: Check the webiste
[10:20] <caris_mere> phobiac: no luck, I will try to restart and see if it will let me do my one action again
[10:20] <vlt|home> juano__: still trying
[10:20] <phobiac> Mena: What about it is broken?
[10:20] <juano__> !pastebin
[10:20] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:20] <Mena> phobiac, ohhh sorry ....no its give as eroor kluncher ..protocol
[10:21] <Mena> an*
[10:21] <firecrotch> How do I set something to start from inetd?
[10:21] <phobiac> Mena: I don't understand what you mean. :/
[10:21] <jager> thanks. ::P
[10:21] <Mena> phobiac, its saying (kluncher said : "unknown protocol"
[10:22] <phobiac> Jager: A quick google tells me it does
[10:22] <Mena> phobiac, and couldnt creat that io-slave
[10:22] <Mena> what that mean
[10:23] <phobiac> I honestly don't know Mena. Sorry. :/
[10:23] <Mena> phobiac, no problem
[10:24] <soulrider> !easysource | garen
[10:24] <ubotu> garen: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[10:24] <jager> it is apparantly not compiled with ssl support, that's what my issue is
[10:24] <jager> thanks anyway
[10:24] <jager> i'm just SOL
[10:24] <sasoyna> hi guys(i repropose my problem) i have a problem with ktts.In talker configuration "select voice" is gray. i can;t select a voice though ktts not work.:(. i have a kubuntu 6.06 distro. you can help me?
[10:25] <phobiac> jager: Oh, one site I found said it had ssl support. Guess not.
[10:25] <jager> oh it does, it's a compile time option, that's what i didn't get
[10:25] <vlt|home> juano__: I just checked $LANG in a konsole and it's set to "C". How can this happen?
[10:26] <phobiac> Ah, okay.
[10:27] <soulrider> garen: kdesu kate /etc//apt/sources.list
[10:28] <cox377> anyone use songbird?
[10:29] <vlt> How can I set $LANG back to de_DE.UTF-8?
[10:30] <fdoving> have a look at /etc/environment
[10:31] <hyper_ch> what's the best way to convert a dvd to 4.7gb and make it region free?
[10:32] <juano__> vlt|home: mm dunno really
[10:33] <soulrider> !mp3
[10:33] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:35] <soulrider> !universe
[10:35] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:37] <jim_> hola
[10:37] <jim_> alguien por aqui?
[10:37] <soulrider> !es
[10:37] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:39] <Mnem0> whats the cmd to copy a whole line in VI?
[10:40] <pixelation> could someone help me with my sound... I'm so confused and frustrated.
[10:40] <pixelation> should I use the KDE sound manager?
[10:41] <spitwise> i'm trying to export my gpg key in kgpg and there's no keyservers to choose from in the dialogue box
[10:44] <d03boy_> i need a good svn client
[10:44] <paniK> Hi. I wanna run kubuntu with vmWare in windows so that I can fully learn the OS before switching over. But I cant find any vmWare configurations files for kubuntu edgy? Plz help ;D
[10:47] <paniK> No one got a great idea? ;D
[10:48] <zorglu_> paniK: run it under qemu ?
[10:48] <zorglu_> paniK: or there are other VM available
[10:48] <angasule> paniK: search vmware's website?
[10:49] <zorglu_> paniK: qemu would work but likely slower
[10:49] <angasule> paniK: http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/456  <-- took me 1 minute to find it
[10:49] <esaym> ugh, anybody got an easy way to flash motherboard bios
[10:49] <firecrotch> How do I start something with inetd ?
[10:49] <esaym> I need a bootable dos cd or floppy
[10:51] <paniK> thanks alot! :)
[10:52] <gansinho> hello is there anybody out there that could help me to install kpilot from svn?
[10:55] <volvo244> hallo
[11:01] <jhutchins> gansinho: You might want to check in #kde.
[11:04] <gansinho> jhutchins: thanks!
[11:05] <jhutchins> !svn
[11:05] <ubotu> svn is Subversion: an open-source revision control system, which aims to be a compelling replacement for CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/
[11:07] <rahmetli> i can hear sound from the internal speakers,but when i plug-in the external ones(2ch speakers), they dont work.
[11:09] <Blu3> sigh, cdimage.ubuntu.com got dugg i guess.  any good mirrors for southern florida?
[11:10] <malik> !sound|rahmetli
[11:10] <ubotu> rahmetli: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:11] <johnnyrsx> hello
[11:11] <enjoi> hello everyone...would anyone happen to know why i can't boot from my Edgy DVD?
[11:14] <Gretl> enjoi: you have to make sure in your bios setting cd is first boot device
[11:14] <enjoi> sorry rahmetli i havent subscribed yet
[11:14] <enjoi> well i ahve even tried going to my boot menu and then booting from the dvd
[11:15] <enjoi> it used to boot fromt he dvd but now ti doesnt...
[11:15] <rahmetli> any error output?
[11:16] <enjoi> no after that it just goes straight to GRUB
[11:16] <Allex> Hey everyone- I'm looking to cimpile Java on Kubuntu 6.10
[11:16] <enjoi> but it takes a long time to get to GRUb, almost like it is trying to boot from the dvd but can't for some reason
[11:17] <Allex> I use the "gij <filename>" command, but it comes up with erros?
[11:17] <Cavallito> is there any shell command whichone should tell you what graphic card you have and so on ?
[11:17] <Thrallie> #archlinux
[11:17] <Thrallie> #archlinux
[11:17] <Thrallie> #archlinux
[11:17] <Thrallie> #archlinux
[11:17] <Thrallie> #archlinux
[11:17] <Thrallie> #archlinux
[11:17] <Thrallie> #archlinux
[11:18] <Cavallito> goshhhhh
[11:19] <HymnToLife> !ops | please ban the spammer
[11:19] <ubotu> please ban the spammer: Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, or DBO
[11:23] <jhutchins> Cavallito: lspci will usually show you what you need to know.
[11:24] <almu> Hello
[11:25] <flipstar> hi ;)
[11:25] <almu> is it possible to connect to a static IP network using networkmanager?
[11:26] <almu> my network uses WPA, and the association to the AP is ok, but the problem is the IP...
[11:27] <evenstar> Hello, I'm trying to figure out what happened to my sister's installation of Xorg... She says she deleted her xorg.conf and now the display system settings won't come up.
[11:28] <evenstar> I tried reinstalling *xorg* to no avail.
[11:28] <Cavallito> jhutchins: thanks
[11:29] <foo> hmm, how can I tell things like kbluetoothd, adept notifier, klipper, and kmix to not start up with kde? I took it out of the taskbar and now it pops up in a window. gah
[11:30] <Sanne> CaseyOmah: you can try to generate a new xorg.conf with: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:30] <flipstar> @foo did u checked the autostart folder?
[11:31] <CaseyOmah> Sanne: Does it make sense for xorg.conf being missing to crash the display applet in system settings?
[11:31] <coreymon77> guys
[11:31] <coreymon77> is there a task manager type thing for kubuntu
[11:31] <flipstar> sure
[11:31] <flipstar> ksysguard
[11:31] <Sanne> CaseyOmah: might be if the display settings want to access xorg.conf... but that's just a guess, I don't know for sure, sorry.
[11:32] <CaseyOmah> Okay, I'll try.
[11:32] <CaseyOmah> Thanks, Sanne
[11:32] <Sanne> good luck
[11:32] <foo> flipstar: Nope, were is that?
[11:32] <NightBird> foo, does ctrl+alt+del bring up either a menu or the program?
[11:32] <flipstar> pff smth like /home/+++username+++/.kde/Autostart
[11:33] <foo> NightBird: uh, are you serious?
[11:33] <NightBird> foo, it brings up ksysguard on my kubuntu install
[11:33] <foo> It asks me if I want to log out.
[11:34] <jhutchins> coreymon77: Or just Ctrl-Alt-Escape
[11:34] <almu> if mine's a very trivial question, could anyone tell me some link or documentation I should read to solve the problem?
[11:34] <NightBird> ah, ok, well, I guess mine just at some point got setup to open ksysguard...
[11:34] <NightBird> foo, what if you go to sysmenu+run and then type in ksysguard?
[11:34] <jhutchins> NightBird: Usually it brings up the log out/shut down dialog.
[11:35] <foo> NightBird: nice, ok, what do I do here?
[11:35] <NightBird> it has a list of processes?
[11:35] <modgefit> can anyone help me change my screen resolution?
[11:35] <foo> NightBird: yeah
[11:36] <Sanne> almu: I would if I knew ;). All I can recommend is try to search the ubuntu and kubuntu wiki and the forums for info. Do you know where to find those?
[11:36] <NightBird> well... that's the task manager for kde...
[11:36] <flipstar> @modgefit goto system setting then -->monitor
[11:36] <foo> NightBird: I want to remove this stuff from startup...
[11:37] <NightBird> "this stuff"?
[11:40] <Schuenemann> I want to reinstall windows. What should I do after it replaces my boot settings?
[11:42] <Sanne> Schuenemann: there's a page in the wiki for recovering grub, I'll find it for you, sec (you might need to translate some commands to KDE)..
[11:42] <Sanne> Schuenemann: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[11:42] <almu> Sanne: I think I will manage, thanks, but as far as I have seen that apparently easy problem is not easily solved
[11:42] <almu> Sanne thanks
[11:42] <Schuenemann> let me see
[11:42] <Sanne> almu: you're welcome, good luck
[11:43] <coreymon77> Schuenemann: first question
[11:43] <coreymon77> why do you want to reinstall windows?
[11:43] <flipstar> question:how can i set up an proxy or smth for Konversation??
[11:43] <Schuenemann> because I haven't in a long time
[11:44] <Biovore> flipstar: google on BNC
[11:44] <daleach> Schuenemann: that's actually a good answer i think hehe
[11:44] <foo> NightBird: klipper, kmix, kbluetoothd .. I have icons in my task bar and I can open them in a new iwndow
[11:44] <Schuenemann> :p
[11:44] <daleach> and i want to see this link save it for the future hehe
[11:44] <coreymon77> Schuenemann: but you have kubuntu, why would you need it?
[11:45] <Schuenemann> coreymon77, because kubuntu is not perfect?
[11:45] <flipstar> @biovore hm i know what a bnc is...i just dont know how to set up -_-
[11:45] <Gretl> what happens when you seel your boot record in bios?
[11:45] <Biovore> flipstar: well I never messed with it..
[11:45] <Gretl> Will windows install then work?
[11:45] <flipstar> ..
[11:45] <Schuenemann> coreymon77, as far as I've searched, I'm not able to use my IR without recompiling kernel... and that's stupid
[11:46] <coreymon77> ive never had problems like that
[11:46] <Gretl> i mean to prevent then reinstalling and adapting grub
[11:47] <Schuenemann> there are other problems, specially when it comes to companies-that-pretend-linux-does-not-exist
[11:47] <Gretl> so to keep evil redmont from fiddling with boot sector
[11:47] <daleach> what kinds of things are in the 'backports'
[11:47] <daleach> repository
[11:47] <Sanne> Schuenemann: if it's possible at all right now, there's hope that it will be included in the main kernel in the future, I think.
[11:47] <NightBird> foo, setting up those tools to disable their startup is under the system settings, in the advanced tab
[11:47] <coreymon77> Schuenemann: thats when wine, cedega, crossover and vmware come in very handy
[11:47] <rahmetli> good question daleach
[11:47] <foo> NightBird: What's that called to get into system settings? Hmm
[11:48] <NightBird> kde menu-> and there should be something in there about it
[11:48] <daleach> Schuenemann oh i thoguht u meant dual boot
[11:48] <Schuenemann> let's be honest, using wine is not even close to using the program in windows
[11:48] <daleach> hehe
[11:48] <foo> NightBird: I disabled the kde menu, hm
[11:48] <Schuenemann> and I don't play games
[11:48] <daleach> if you really want to get ahead of the game just use vmware
[11:48] <daleach> ;-)
[11:48] <daleach> but that's a pain in the butt sometimes to
[11:49] <Sanne> !backports > daleach
[11:49] <daleach> as far as i am concerned u need a windows + linux machine if u are a nerd
[11:49] <Sanne> daleach: read the message from ubotu about backports
[11:49] <coreymon77> no
[11:49] <Schuenemann> why a nerd?
[11:49] <NightBird> well.... I'm not sure how to help you then.. because I don't know the program you run to get the kubuntu settings..
[11:49] <rahmetli>  !backports > rahmetli
[11:49] <coreymon77> because otherwise
[11:50] <rahmetli> :)
[11:50] <coreymon77> you would know how to get it to work very well without resorting to dual-boot
[11:50] <Schuenemann> huh?
[11:50] <daleach> coreymon77: what are u talking about "resorting to"
[11:51] <coreymon77> booting into actual windows, atleast for me, is an absolute last resort
[11:51] <daleach> if you are running intensive complex windows apps you probably want to be runnign them in windows .... heh..
[11:51] <daleach> well that's because you are doing/using linux stuff
[11:51] <Schuenemann> coreymon77, so, what is your suggestion to using IR or a nokia cable?
[11:52] <Schuenemann> for using*
[11:52] <Sanne> coreymon77: everybody has their own pace of switching
[11:52] <daleach> actually
[11:52] <daleach> Schueneman: vm is pretty good
[11:52] <daleach> it might be able to do a lot of that.....less u really need it tightly integrated with ur main os
[11:52] <Schuenemann> will I need to install windows in that VM?
[11:52] <daleach> and that's not a solution
[11:52] <daleach> yeah hehe
[11:52] <Schuenemann> lol
[11:53] <daleach> i know hehe not sure what ur using it for
[11:53] <daleach> if just to do a transfer
[11:53] <daleach> u can drag out of like vm etc..
[11:53] <daleach> hehe
[11:53] <Schuenemann> is safer to install on a new partition
[11:53] <daleach> nah nah not really
[11:53] <coreymon77> dont
[11:54] <daleach> vmware is pretty easy hehe....if u do a lot with it there are things u need to know like transfering images > 4gb into a fat32 = bad bad
[11:54] <daleach> that a licensed vmware workstation is a lot better than the player.... etc etc hehe
[11:54] <Schuenemann> hmmm... no, I prefer to keep on a separated partition
[11:55] <daleach> k yeah
[11:55] <Alpha_Cluster> anyone here used Kdevelop?
[11:55] <daleach> i've never instaleld windows after installing linux
[11:55] <daleach> i guess its doable
[11:55] <foo> Any idea what the name is of application that allows me to select programs for start up
[11:55] <Schuenemann> it is
[11:55] <Schuenemann> anyway, I'll have to install edgy
[11:55] <Sanne> daleach: it is, I did, and I gave Schuenemann the wiki page where it is detailed
[11:55] <Schuenemann> Sanne, yeah
[11:55] <Sanne> Schuenemann: :)
[11:56] <rahmetli> foo right click  menu editor
[11:56] <daleach> oh ok scrolled up and found it missed it the first time
[11:56] <daleach> thanks
[11:56] <flipstar> @foo try /home/++your_username++/Autostart
[11:56] <Sanne> daleach: :)
[11:56] <foo> flipstar: thanks
[11:57] <flipstar> np
[11:58] <flipstar> oh that was wrong *_* try this: /home/username/.kde/Autostart
[11:59] <flipstar> this folder is typically hidden
[12:00] <d> hello
[12:00] <almu> well, the cleaner solution I've found for the current edgy network manager to manage static IP addresses is by tweaking and recompiling the package, so I think I'd rather llok for 0.7 for edgy
[12:00] <almu> do you think I could get it: networkmanager 0.7 for edgy?
[12:01] <daleach> hey is sources.list read right away after editiing......at runtime that is
[12:01] <daleach> or do I have to restart my machine or something like that
[12:01] <modgefit> can anyone help with a resolutions problem?
[12:01] <Schuenemann> daleach, to need an update
[12:01] <Sanne> daleach: you have to uodate your package cache
[12:01] <Schuenemann> apt-get update
[12:01] <daleach> ah gotcha yeah duh
[12:01] <flipstar> @modgefit just goto sys settings.....
[12:02] <Schuenemann> how big should my swap partition be?
[12:02] <flipstar> 2-3gig
[12:02] <Schuenemann> doesn't it depend on the RAM?
[12:02] <Jucato> Schuenemann: depends on your RAM
[12:02] <coyotle> 2*RAM
[12:02] <Jucato> not necessarily
[12:03] <Chousuke> meh
[12:03] <Jucato> if you have 1-2GB RAM, doesn't mean you "need" 2-4GB Swap
[12:03] <Chousuke> if you have 2GB, you don't need swap
[12:03] <Chousuke> or maybe a couple hundred MB
[12:03] <daleach> lol
[12:03] <almu> Chousuke: depends on what you do, try kino ;)
[12:03] <flipstar> exept u working with very large photos or smth
[12:03] <daleach> exactly
[12:03] <Chousuke> for laptops you need at least the amount of RAM though.
[12:03] <Schuenemann> Jucato, is there a formula, then?
[12:04] <Jucato> nowadays, the rule/formula for RAM-Swap should be indirectly propotional...
[12:04] <Schuenemann> and what is it?
[12:05] <Jucato> how much RAM do you have? and what do you plan to do most of the time with your system?
[12:05] <Schuenemann> only 384, but I might have more soon
[12:05] <Jucato> because if you're compiling lots of stuff or doing lots of resource intensive activities like rendering or video editing, you might need as much swap as you have RAM
[12:06] <Jucato> I think that 1GB Swap is a *safe* amount
[12:06] <Schuenemann> only 384?
[12:06] <Schuenemann> right now I have 780, which is 2 times
[12:07] <pinksphere> I need some help :)
[12:07] <pinksphere> Anyone here?
[12:07] <angasule> I'm trying to get the rear speakers in my sound blaster live! 5.1 to work
[12:08] <pinksphere> i'm new to kubuntu but not ubuntu ( been using it for awhile now) but thought i'd give KDE a try. Problem? I just did the install from Ubuntu so my kopete is messed up and i'm trying to install the newer one but no luck.
[12:09] <LeeJunFan> ugh, cogent sucks! Repos are slow as all hell.
[12:09] <modgefit> can anyone help im struggling to change my screen resolution on a dell computer if anyone could help it would be appreciated?
[12:09] <flipstar> lol @ modgefit u r funny
[12:10] <flipstar> @pinksphere did u tried to reinstall kopete?
[12:10] <sadasdsadad> http://axeofwar.zapto.org/go_sp.php?69 Join Please
[12:10] <christian23nv> juano_
[12:10] <christian23nv> juano
[12:11] <christian23nv> juano
[12:11] <almu> bye all
[12:11] <christian23nv> juano
[12:11] <pinksphere> yep
[12:11] <christian23nv> oye
[12:11] <ppp> yao
[12:11] <christian23nv> aloo
[12:12] <christian23nv> alguien  me puede echar una manito_