[12:24] <Fujitsu_> I can't assign the Edgy task of bug #80195 to me.. It OOPSes. Is this known?
[12:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80195 in zope3 "Edgy Bug" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80195
[01:23] <poolie> hello
[01:23] <poolie> the tab hyperlinks on https://beta.launchpad.net/bzr/+milestone/0.10 don't work
[01:23] <poolie> is this known?
[01:34] <thumper> poolie: got time for a quick call?
[01:34] <poolie> thumper: yes that'd be great
[01:35] <poolie> jml_, just the other man i was looking for
[01:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #85464 in blueprint "[beta]  tabs on feature list page don't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85464
[01:35] <jml_> poolie: gimme a moment, I've just resumed and my backlight is switched of
[01:35] <poolie> heh
[01:39] <Fujitsu_> Anyone know why LP would OOPS if I attempted to assign the Edgy task of a bug to me?
[01:40] <poolie> a bug? :)
[01:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #85465 in launchpad "importd.tests.helpers.SandboxHelper should not be used" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85465
[01:40] <spiv> Fujitsu_: if you have an OOPS code, I can take a look at the log.
[01:40] <elmo> fujitsu: yeah, file a bug about it on malone
[01:40] <Fujitsu_> Ha, ha. Has it been reported?
[01:40] <Fujitsu_> Thanks, spiv.
[01:41] <Fujitsu_> It's working again... How strange. All I'd changed was subscribing myself to the bug.
[01:41] <jml> poolie: you have my full attention
[01:41] <poolie> let's have a call when i'm done with tim
[01:41] <jml> ok
[01:42] <poolie> will call you on skype
[01:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #85470 in malone "linkification should not include file://" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85470
[03:05] <jml> poolie: ready for a call?
[03:06] <poolie> yes that'd be good
[03:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #85480 in launchpad "Monitor POST and GET hit counts seperately" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85480
[06:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #85499 in launchpad "SandboxHelper should create a Bazaar working tree" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85499
[10:28] <cbx33> is something wrong with LP beta at the mo?  I'm just getting "The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server." message for all pages apart from those in the root sub domain
[10:29] <cbx33> it's working now
[10:45] <cbx33> should the bug search operation on BetaLP be able to search for bug numbers?
[10:45] <cbx33> I search for #85443
[10:46] <cbx33> or 85443 and I get nothing...but not even a message telling me I got nothing
[10:47] <cbx33> also on a products home page - I cannot find a directly link through to the source page
[10:47] <BjornT> cbx33: you mean on https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/? the search there doesn't work at all currently, but it will be fixed soon.
[10:47] <BjornT> bug 84800
[10:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84800 in malone "no way to jump to a bug from frontpage of beta UI" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84800 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt)
[10:48] <cbx33> ok cool
[10:48] <cbx33> also
[10:48] <cbx33> https://beta.launchpad.net/network-manager/+packages
[10:48] <cbx33> where is the source link for edgy? dapper? feisty?
[10:48] <cbx33> I'm confused
[10:48] <cbx33> was about to file a bug against breezy :p
[10:50] <BjornT> cbx33: the problem is the packaging links don't get carried over to new releases, so someone has to create new links.
[10:51] <mpt> hmm
[10:51] <mpt> thumper, was it you who changed "CVS root" to "Root", "CVS module" to "Module" etc, or was it ddaa?
[10:55] <cbx33> BjornT: ok....so how can I register this bug?
[10:58] <BjornT> cbx33: you mean on network-manager in ubuntu? i wish i could give you a better answer, but you can file a new bug at https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+filebug
[10:58] <cbx33> ok
[10:58] <cbx33> yeh that's where I found it
[10:58] <cbx33> should I file a bug about this?
[11:00] <BjornT> cbx33: yeah. there might be a bug about it already, but i can't find it, so file a new one.
[11:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #85519 in launchpad "Appserver leaving 'IDLE in transaction' connection open on launch" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85519
[11:04] <cbx33> thanks BjornT 
[11:13] <cbx33> filed
[11:14] <cbx33> There is also a kind of non-consistency between saying Launchpads Bug Tracking system and Malone....
[11:15] <cbx33> for me anyway ;)
[11:15] <cbx33> bug 85528
[11:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85528 in launchpad "Filing bugs against source packages is non-intuitive" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85528
[11:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #85528 in launchpad "Filing bugs against source packages is non-intuitive" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85528
[11:58] <cprov> good morning !
[12:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #85537 in rosetta "Some fonts are really to small or almost unreadable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85537
[12:23] <carlos_> morning
[12:25] <carlos> stub: hi
[01:31] <ddaa> Hello
[01:31] <ddaa> Just warning you we're vacuuming the Branch tables in the database
[01:32] <ddaa> so you may observe some perturbation of service for things related to branches
[01:32] <ddaa> that should be complete within 30 mins
[01:33] <ddaa> So, if you want to demonstrate Launchpad/Bazaar to your grandma today, I suggest you find a diversion for 30 mins, such a going to prune the trees or something.
[01:41] <doko> what email address can I use for a team contact in launchpad? Is it possible to register the launchpad name as an email as well?
[01:41] <doko> elmo: ^^^
[01:42] <Hobbsee> doko: anything else not already in the database, as belonging to another person/group?
[01:43] <doko> Hobbsee: ?
[01:43] <Hobbsee> doko: what email address can I use for a team contact in launchpad? <-- in answer to that question
[01:44] <Hobbsee> soryr for answering :(
[01:44] <ddaa> doko: I believe team contact email addresses should be mailing lists, and are used for email notifications by launchpad instead of sending emails to all team members
[01:44] <jelmer> launchpad is being very weirdly today
[01:44] <jelmer> bugs are showing up again that I previously marked as fixed
[01:44] <ddaa> jelmer: what's your problem?
[01:45] <jelmer> and when I try to access those bugs, I get an OOPS
[01:45] <ddaa> oh
[01:45] <ddaa> which bug for example
[01:46] <jelmer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-svn/+bug/54736
[01:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54736 in bzr-svn "Imports non-UTF-8 characters " [High,Unconfirmed]   - Assigned to Jelmer Vernooij (jelmer)
[01:46] <jelmer> that bug has been marked as "fix released" a long time ago
[01:48] <ddaa> okay, I know why the timeout
[01:48] <ddaa> I mean the oops
[01:48] <ddaa> it's because we're vacuuming the Branch table ATM
[01:48] <ddaa> but SteveA told me that should not affect code that just _reads_ this table...
[01:49] <jelmer> would that also explain that the bug suddenly appears "open" again in the bug list?
[01:52] <ddaa> jelmer: hu, no
[01:52] <ddaa> there's something _else_ wrong
[01:52] <ddaa> like, probably somebody just reopened the bug
[01:52] <bac> code.beta.launchpad.net is oopsing on every attempt.
[01:53] <jelmer> ddaa: ah, ok. Thanks for the help!
[01:53] <ddaa> bac: wasn't it already oopsing on every attempt before?
[01:53] <jelmer> ddaa: any idea when I can access the bug again?
[01:53] <ddaa> jelmer: 10 mins from now
[01:54] <ddaa> if it's not complete by then I'll ask elmo to press the big red button
[01:54] <bac> ddaa: don't know.  i just followed the link from sabdfl's email to see how cool things looked.  i don't think i've ever tried code.beta before but i expected it to work given the discussion of how nice it looked.
[01:54] <jelmer> ddaa: heh, ok
[01:54] <ddaa> bac: it will work a lot better in a few minutes :)
[01:54] <bac> ddaa: thanks!
[01:55] <ddaa> bac: the db vacuuming is being done to make this page (and other related things) go faster and time-out less often.
[02:04] <ddaa> okay, this stuff is taking a bit longer than expected
[02:04] <ddaa> giving it 10 more minutes, then we'll abort it
[02:05] <ddaa> better to have it behind us... but otoh this is DOSing half of launchpad...
[02:08] <popey> Mez: this one actually
[02:08] <Mez> popey: ah lol
[02:12] <ddaa> jelmer: okay, you can see your bug
[02:12] <ddaa> jelmer: carlos reopened your bug
[02:12] <ddaa> -EHUMAN
[02:13] <carlos> ddaa: talking about the bzrsvn bug?
[02:13] <ddaa> yes
[02:13] <jelmer> ddaa: yep, thanks. The comment history seems erased though - is that intentional?
[02:14] <ddaa> jelmer: never herd of this happening
[02:14] <ddaa> my humble guess is there was no comment before carlos wrote one
[02:15] <SteveA> bac: try again now
[02:16] <jelmer> ddaa: oops, you're right. I was confusing this bug with another one (just looked in my mail archives)
[02:16] <jelmer> ddaa: sorry, and thanks for getting this back up!
[02:16] <ddaa> jelmer: I did nothing
[02:17] <jelmer> ddaa: well, in that case thanks for holding my hand and telling me everything was going to be ok ... :-)
[02:17] <ddaa> just kept the natives from rioting and asking elmo how the things were going
[02:25] <bac> ddaa: works now.  thanks.
[02:30] <cbx33> ddaa, pictures for products don't seem to work
[02:31] <ddaa> cbx33: I guess so
[02:31] <ddaa> mpt: hello?
[02:31] <ddaa> cbx33: you're talking about this beta ui feature?
[02:31] <ddaa> cbx33: never seen it work, never used it
[02:31] <cbx33> yes
[02:32] <ddaa> I am confident that the people in charge have the situation in control
[02:32] <ddaa> mpt has been spending a lot of time coordinating with other people over the deeper and less shiny issues
[02:33] <ddaa> cbx33: to be honest, I'm not the right person to ask about the 1.0 UI.
[02:33] <cbx33> sorry ddaa
[02:34] <ddaa> no need to apologize
[02:40] <salgado> cbx33, the pictures are being stored properly, we are just not displaying them yet
[02:41] <salgado> cbx33, I have a fix for that and I'm pestering kiko to review it for me... once it's reviewed it shouldn't take more than a couple days until it's available on beta
[02:43] <cbx33> ok cool
[02:43] <cbx33> yeh i saw they were being uploaded
[02:43] <cbx33> thanks
[02:43] <cbx33> was wondering to submit a bug
[02:43] <cbx33> now I dont have to
[02:43] <cbx33> :p
[02:43] <ddaa> we love bugs
[02:44] <ddaa> and we have a shiny guided bug filing UI
[02:44] <ddaa> if devels could not bother to file bugs for known problems
[02:44] <ddaa> we're happy if users do it :)
[02:44] <ddaa> and if users could not find the already filed bugs, we're happy to mark duplicates
[02:45] <kiko> salgado, where's the branch URL?
[02:46] <salgado> kiko, https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/salgado/launchpad/trivialities/full-diff
[03:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #85509 in bzr "AssertionError in 0.14.0 (dup-of: 3270)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85509
[03:05] <doko> could the savannah.gnu.org/bugs bugtracker added to launchpad?
[03:09] <jamesh> doko: not easily at the moment, since it doesn't fall into any of our existing external bug tracker types
[03:11] <doko> jamesh: should I file a report?
[03:11] <jamesh> if you want.
[03:14] <doko> done
[03:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #85567 in launchpad "Inactive projects must not have products associated with it" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85567
[03:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #85568 in launchpad "the https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/ bugtracker is not supported" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85568
[03:26] <daviey> Hi, i am having problems registering my openpgp key with launchpad
[03:26] <daviey> gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-keys  # returns very quickly with no response
[03:26] <daviey> but launchpad doesn't recognise my fingerprint
[03:27] <elmo> daviey: what's your key ID?
[03:28] <daviey> elmo, PM
[03:30] <elmo> that didn't reach the keyserver
[03:30] <elmo> try gpg --keyserver.keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-key 0x071894C0
[03:30] <elmo> try gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-key 0x071894C0
[03:30] <elmo> sorry
[03:31] <daviey> done
[03:31] <daviey> "gpg: sending key 071894C0 to hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com"
[03:32] <Spads> gpg: requesting key 071894C0 from hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com
[03:32] <Spads> gpg: key 071894C0: public key "Dave Walker (Daviey) <DaveWalker@Skydivers.co.uk>" imported
[03:32] <Spads> looks successful
[03:32] <Spads> I just grabbed that from my laptop
[03:32] <elmo> daviey: try launchpad again in a couple of minutes, and it should work
[03:32] <daviey> oh bugger, now i have forgotten my pgp password!
[03:33] <daviey> can i remove that key?
[03:34] <jamesh> if you generated a revocation certificate before forgetting the passphrase, you could revoke it
[03:35] <daviey> What if i just re-create and submit?
[03:37] <jamesh> daviey: you can create a new key, yes.
[03:37] <daviey> I'll do that
[03:37] <daviey> thanks
[03:38] <jamesh> remember the passphrase this time :)
[03:59] <salgado> kiko, https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/salgado/launchpad/trivialities/full-diff
[04:36] <danilos> carlos: ping
[05:34] <bdmurray> Anybody know if there is a not desktop not kdesktop bugs mailing list?
[05:36] <bdmurray> I know the ubuntu-bugs mailing list gets everything but I wanted to try and get everything but desktop bugs.
[05:56] <effie_jayx> is there a rossetta channel
[05:56] <effie_jayx> ?
[05:57] <LarstiQ> this is it
[05:57] <effie_jayx> grat
[05:57] <effie_jayx> great ,.. y team is looking into translating ubuntu to wayunaiiki
[05:58] <effie_jayx> it is a language spoken by the local aborigenees
[05:58] <effie_jayx> we have a team set up in launchpad
[05:58] <effie_jayx> and we might have a bit of a problem with the seting up of the plurals for rosetta
[05:59] <effie_jayx> the language 
[06:00] <effie_jayx> is a bit orthodox 
[06:00] <effie_jayx> example
[06:00] <effie_jayx> House = Chuwata
[06:00] <effie_jayx> to form the plural of house
[06:00] <effie_jayx> you would have to eliminate the las syllable  "ta" and double the las vowel
[06:01] <effie_jayx> and a prefix... cana
[06:01] <effie_jayx> Houses = Chuwaa cana
[06:01] <effie_jayx> :S
[06:01] <effie_jayx> my question is ... how flexible is rosetta to this issue :S
[06:02] <jamesh> effie_jayx: the way plural forms work with gettext is like this:
[06:02] <jamesh> effie_jayx: the program passes the quantity to be used in the string to the ngettext() call.
[06:03] <jamesh> effie_jayx: there is a "plural expression" that this number is fed into that gives an index into a set of translations
[06:04] <jamesh> so the program might do printf(ngettext("%d House", "%d Houses", num_houses), num_houses);
[06:04] <effie_jayx> mmm ok... I see
[06:05] <jamesh> if you use the same plural forms as english, the plural expression would be "n == 1", and the two translations would be "%d Chuwata" and "%d Chuwaa cana"
[06:05] <jamesh> for languages with more plural forms, you'd use an expression that could result in more than just "0" and "1", and list more plural forms
[06:05] <LarstiQ> and in other cases? where the multiple for 2, 3, n is different?
[06:05] <LarstiQ> right
[06:05] <jamesh> LarstiQ: yep
[06:06] <LarstiQ> foresight or actual linguistics knowledge from the gettext designers? :)
[06:06] <jamesh> effie_jayx: so to support your language, we'd need to know the language code and the number of plural forms and a plural expression
[06:07] <effie_jayx> the language code would be?
[06:07] <jamesh> effie_jayx: the two letter or three letter ISO language code
[06:07] <LarstiQ> nl_NL for Dutch as spoken in the Netherlands
[06:07] <effie_jayx> jamesh,  I don't think there is one
[06:08] <LarstiQ> jamesh: no territory?
[06:08] <effie_jayx> jamesh,  I would have t check... 
[06:08] <jamesh> effie_jayx: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayuu_language <- seems to say it is "guc"
[06:08] <effie_jayx> jamesh,  :D
[06:09] <effie_jayx> sorry ... should have checked... :D
[06:10] <jamesh> effie_jayx: it is probably best to send your request to the rosetta-users mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/rosetta-users
[06:10] <effie_jayx> jamesh,  great ... thanks :D
[06:10] <effie_jayx> great help... 
[06:11] <effie_jayx> I still have a bit of a problem understanding something
[06:11] <effie_jayx> the number of plural forms... 
[06:11] <effie_jayx> that would be 
[06:11] <danilos> effie_jayx: the best way is to file a rosetta ticket
[06:12] <jamesh> effie_jayx: anything danilos or carlos say is more authoritative than what I say :)
[06:21] <effie_jayx> danilos,  not yet... let me document the situation better
[06:22] <effie_jayx> danilos,  I have to meet some university professors that are working with us ... they 
[06:22] <effie_jayx> jamesh,  thanks ... reallyy :D
[06:22] <effie_jayx> danilos,  thank you
[06:23] <danilos> effie_jayx: I was actually thinking to go to https://answers.launchpad.net/rosetta/+addticket and we can have a discussion there
[06:23] <danilos> effie_jayx: "tickets" ensure that we don't forget about this, and we can keep track of status, etc.
[06:24] <jamesh> effie_jayx: even if you don't have all the information needed yet, please file the ticket
[06:25] <effie_jayx> jamesh,  will do :D
[07:02] <sabdfl> BjornT: packaging links *do* get carried over
[07:02] <sabdfl> if you ask for SourcePackage.product I think it looks for a direct link, then follows the distro release history all the way back to warty
[07:13] <effie_jayx> I just want to mak sure I know where I stand in all this... in terms of the language features ... I am getting lost in trasnlation ... 
[08:04] <radix> hmm, it'd be cool if I could select two branches in launchpad and tell it to show me the differences ;)
[08:10] <LarstiQ> radix: if you pull them in with bzr first.. ;)
[08:17] <ddaa> radix: no shit!
[08:17] <ddaa> radix: it happens that we do have a plan to implement exactly that
[08:17] <ddaa> and we even have the man to implement it now!
[08:18] <ddaa> radix: actually, it will be a more complicated than this
[08:18] <ddaa> because we do not want launchpad to do diffs for everybody, which can be pretty expensive
[08:19] <ddaa> so we would allow people to run a script that would upload diffs to launchpad
[08:19] <radix> hmm, ok
[08:19] <radix> ddaa: that's cool. it's good that your team is growing :)
[08:19] <ddaa> or we could offer to run it ourselves, for a small fee
[08:19] <radix> hehe
[08:20] <ddaa> or for free for privileged projects
[08:20] <ddaa> such as... schooltool?
[08:21] <radix> ddaa: well, it'd also be cool if launchpad just had links to bzr://location/branch1?diff_with=bzr://location/branch2 ....
[08:21] <radix> waaaagh, my head just exploded
[08:27] <rm1> hi all
[08:27] <rm1> i'm new there
[08:28] <rm1> is there someone awake ?
[08:30] <radix> hi, rm1.
[08:30] <rm1> hi radix
[08:31] <ajmitch> is it possible to merge one team (auto-created) into another?
[08:31] <LaserJock> ajmitch: heh, you beat me here
[08:31] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yeah, but I'm asking for the zope team :)
[08:31] <LaserJock> oh
[08:31] <ajmitch> since I can't set its contact email address since there's another team that was created
[08:32] <ddaa> ajmitch: I saw you filed a support request
[08:32] <rm1> i just register on launchpad, just signed the code of conduts and so on... i'm new unbutero ;)
[08:33] <ddaa> rm1: do not trust radix, he just said his head exploded.
[08:33] <ajmitch> ddaa: I presume that's a hint to me to run away & find where to file it
[08:33] <rm1> not so easy !
[08:33] <ddaa> ajmitch: no, I mean I saw a support request about this already
[08:33] <ajmitch> ah
[08:33] <ddaa> lemme check
[08:33] <ajmitch> that was kobold asking about the same team I see
[08:35] <LaserJock> ok, so for a few packages the Maintainer field was set to "MOTU-Media <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>", which apparently created an LP called ubuntu-motu
[08:35] <rm1> i'd like to do difficulties report because of syntax error on launchpad page....
[08:35] <ddaa> ajmitch: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+ticket/3733
[08:35] <LaserJock> but the MOTU Media team has an LP ID motumedia and that email address for the MOTU goes with ubuntu-dev or motu
[08:36] <ajmitch> yep, just found it
[08:36] <ddaa> rm1: just do it
[08:36] <ddaa> or file a bug
[08:36] <LaserJock> how can we keep LP from creating teams like this?
[08:36] <ddaa> rm1: do not ask to ask
[08:36] <rm1> lol ddaa
[08:36] <rm1> i'm french, sorry for my bad english
[08:37] <salgado> LaserJock, launchpad will create persons actually, and it'll do so when it finds an email addres which it hasn't seen before
[08:37] <rm1> on the page talkin' about gpg to create keys, register on server and so on...
[08:37] <ddaa> ajmitch: you're saved, here's salgado who actually understands this stuff
[08:37] <ajmitch> yay salgado 
[08:38] <LaserJock> salgado: so what can we do?
[08:38] <salgado> LaserJock, so the best way to avoid new people being created is to associated the email address that appears as the maintainer/uploader with the person/team you want
[08:38] <LaserJock> salgado: that's not going to work very well
[08:38] <rm1> it's written : gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-keys
[08:39] <ddaa> rm1: would help if you had a gpg key to start with
[08:39] <rm1> i've just done that
[08:39] <ddaa> rm1: but you should probably ask about this sort of things on an ubuntu-related forum
[08:39] <salgado> LaserJock, I'm affraid the email address is the only piece of information available in a dsc file which allows us to identify the uploader/maintainer
[08:39] <ddaa> or irc channel
[08:39] <rm1> but it seems there's a "s" too much at the end no ?
[08:39] <LaserJock> salgado: hmmm
[08:40] <LaserJock> salgado: and it's just the email address, can the name be different?
[08:40] <rm1> i was able to upload my key only with that : gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-key IDKEY
[08:40] <salgado> LaserJock, ajmitch, the best person to talk about this would be cprov, but AFAIK, the email address is all we can use and thus launchpad will keep creating person entries when it parses a dsc which contains an email address it hasn't seen before
[08:41] <salgado> LaserJock, correct, the name doesn't matter
[08:41] <ajmitch> LaserJock: it means you just have to register a team/person before that email address will ever be seen
[08:41] <LaserJock> ajmitch: it means we have to have ubuntu-motu as a contact address for a team, which means we
[08:41] <rm1> and it would be also helpfull for people who want to become 'ubuntero' to explain what is Key Id on this page... i've tried 10 minutes before to find !!
[08:41] <ajmitch> it's less than desirable
[08:41] <LaserJock> we'll get bug emails, member changes, et.
[08:42] <salgado> ajmitch, you can do it afterwards too, but it requires some manual intervention from one of the launchpad admins
[08:42] <ajmitch> salgado: would you kindly be able to help us out then? :)
[08:44] <salgado> ajmitch, what do you want, exactly?
[08:44] <ajmitch> drop pkg-zope-developers, so we can use the list address for pkg-zope
[08:44] <ajmitch> LaserJock wants to sort out the motu teams
[08:44] <salgado> ah, two different requests, then
[08:44] <ajmitch> in this case, yes
[08:45] <rm1> @ddaa : sorry if i'm wrong. Is this irc only for generaly purposes on launchpad ?
[08:45] <ddaa> rm1: I guess it's part of Ubuntu initiation rituals
[08:45] <rm1> don't know...
[08:45] <ddaa> rm1: this channel is about launchpad itself
[08:46] <ajmitch> ddaa: we try & leave the hazing for -motu
[08:46] <rm1> i've found that UCC on launchpad
[08:46] <rm1> I came into launchpad to do a bug report
[08:46] <ddaa> UCC?
[08:46] <ddaa> ajmitch: ?
[08:46] <rm1> Ubuntu code of conducts
[08:46] <ajmitch> nevermind :)
[08:47] <LaserJock> ajmitch: ;-)
[08:47] <ddaa> rm1: yes, Ubuntu is a special project for launchpad
[08:47] <LaserJock> rm1: do you have a key yet or not?
[08:47] <ddaa> rm1: and they do have some unique features to support them
[08:48] <ddaa> but Launchpad far from being just about ubuntu
[08:48] <rm1> laser and dda : yes i've a key, it's alright for me
[08:48] <rm1> so where to report launchpad/ubuntu improvments ?
[08:48] <LaserJock> rm1: the problem was there is no documentation on how to get a key?
[08:48] <ddaa> if you have suggestions to improve UI of Launchpad, it's best to file a bug
[08:49] <ddaa> so the relevant people can do it. Personally, I have never ever using the CoC signing thing myself
[08:49] <ddaa> and I probably got my gpg key in the database as part of the initial sample data or something like that...
[08:50] <rm1> Laserjock : yes documentation on how to get a key was good (poor but good enough), but not so good for howto upload that key on server
[08:50] <salgado> ajmitch, we have a few possible workarounds for this problem, but the right thing to do is what's described on bug 36966
[08:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36966 in launchpad "When claiming a Launchpad profile it should be possible to turn it into a team" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/36966 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado)
[08:50] <salgado> oh, great. It's even assigned to me
[08:50] <ajmitch> heh
[08:51] <salgado> ajmitch, the main problem with the workarounds is that the packagin links of the existing person (https://launchpad.net/~pkg-zope-developers/+packages) will be either lost or reassigned to somebody else
[08:52] <rm1> wooops baby is crying
[08:52] <ajmitch> right, I'm wanting them all reassigned to pkg-zope anyway
[08:52] <salgado> the ideal solution would be to create a team from the existing pkg-zope-developers or to merge it into another team
[08:52] <rm1> be back soon
[08:52] <ajmitch> which is why it'd be nice to merge it into the other team
[08:52] <ddaa> join #ubuntu-fr
[08:52] <rm1> ok iwas there today
[08:52] <rm1> ty ddaa
[08:52] <ajmitch> urgh, timeout on that +packages page
[08:53] <salgado> ajmitch, right, this is not possible right now --launchpad only knows how to merge persons, not teams
[08:53] <ddaa> rm1: what about you go to #ubuntu-fr? That will be easier for you.
[08:53] <rm1> ddaa : just answered to that ;) 
[08:53] <salgado> ajmitch, so, if you're not in a hurry, I may be able to give this bug a go next week
[08:54] <ddaa> oops, I meant to type it with a slash before, to join myself
[08:54] <salgado> ajmitch, with some luck it may be fixed soon
[08:54] <rm1> will join later, baby crying
[08:54] <ajmitch> salgado: ok, I think I can probably wait on it then - there's an open support request for it by someone else
[08:54] <rm1> bye all
[08:55] <ajmitch> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+ticket/3733
[08:55] <salgado> ajmitch, I'm going to comment on it
[08:55] <ajmitch> thanks
[08:58] <LaserJock> salgado: got a sec to talk about recent Maintainer changes and how that's getting messed up in LP? :-)
[09:00] <salgado> LaserJock, sure, but beware I don't know much about this
[09:00] <LaserJock> that's ok, you know more about it than me
[09:00] <salgado> I doubt that, but if you say so
[09:00] <LaserJock> so in Ubuntu we are changing the Maintainer field for packages that we change
[09:01] <LaserJock> so for a Main package it'll be <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>
[09:01] <LaserJock> and for Universe I'm guessing it will be always <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>
[09:02] <LaserJock> so the problem that I see is that neither of the addresses are used by the corresponding LP teams
[09:02] <salgado> these will always be the maintainers?
[09:03] <LaserJock> for packages changed by Ubuntu, yes
[09:03] <ajmitch> apparantly so
[09:03] <LaserJock> some of the names might be different MOTU Media <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com> is one example we  have
[09:03] <LaserJock> but I think the email addresses should always be those 2
[09:04] <salgado> right; but we also have the uploader field, no?
[09:05] <LaserJock> in LP yes
[09:05] <LaserJock> Uploaded By:
[09:05] <LaserJock> but the problem is the Maintainer: link will go to ficticous LP teams
[09:06] <salgado> but that comes from the .dsc, or am I confused?
[09:06] <LaserJock> well, it's not in the Uploader: field in the .dsc
[09:06] <LaserJock> there is also an Uploaders: field that we can put in
[09:07] <LaserJock> I think the concern is that the Maintainer: links on LP are going to the wrong teams
[09:08] <salgado> I see
[09:09] <LaserJock> an example is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gem
[09:09] <salgado> LaserJock, I'm affraid I won't be able to help you with this.. I think the best thing would be to bring this up on launchpad-users@ or with cprov
[09:09] <LaserJock> that's fine
[09:11] <salgado> I have only a vague idea of what launchpad does on this area :/
[10:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #85643 in launchpad "+editpgpkeys could be more helpful" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85643
[10:34] <BjornT> sabdfl: re packaging links. sure, it's possible to codewise get from a source package to a product. the problem is how to get from a product to a source package in the latest distribution release.
[10:35] <BjornT> sabdfl: if you look at https://launchpad.net/network-manager/+packages, it looks like network manager hasn't been packaged in ubuntu since breezy.
[11:49] <cr3> is there a way to determine if the username and password passed to the malone xml rpc interface is correct?
[12:12] <LeeJunFan> has anyone complained to cogent yet about the connction? repositories are SLOW. I get to the 4th hop of 6 hops thru cogent and latency on pings goes from 60 to 125+
[12:14] <LarstiQ> LeeJunFan: some upstream carrier is having a bad route to the launchpad data center?
[12:14] <LeeJunFan> LarstiQ: seems to be. I'm lucky to get 5KBytes to it.
[12:14] <LeeJunFan> from it.
[12:15] <LarstiQ> and you mean bzr branches I suppose?
[12:15] <LeeJunFan> LarstiQ: us