=== sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:14] hi folks [12:14] hi sistpoty [12:14] hi LaserJock [12:15] Heya sistpoty. [12:15] hi TheMuso === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pochu [n=pochu@38.Red-88-7-170.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-53-12.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:43] sistpoty: wow, ambitious agenda for the MOTU Council ;-) [12:44] LaserJock: just a first draft ;) [12:46] anybody know of a simple multiple-binary CDBS package? === sistpoty only uses debhelper [12:48] well you aren't any help [12:48] :-) === esaym [n=user@cpe-72-183-201-32.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:50] LaserJock: grep-dctrl -sBinary -F Build-Depends cdbs /var/lib/apt/lists/*Sources | grep , === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@unafilliated/kgoetz] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Wait] === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-96-241.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-79-61.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:54] geser: well, I was hoping for a little bit more experienced ;-) [12:55] experienced response, that is [12:57] LaserJock: do you search a library or non-library package as an exmaple? [12:57] LaserJock: The banshee package is kinda what you're after, I think. [12:57] non-library [12:58] It produces banshee + banshee-daap. [12:58] And is quite simple. [12:58] yeah, that might work [12:59] man, I love having my own local source mirror [12:59] instant source package lovin' [12:59] RAOF: yep, banshee is what I'm looking for, thanks [01:03] No problem. === ajmitch returns [01:06] LaserJock: where is this ambitious agenda? === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch knows the banshee package well [01:10] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Council [01:10] yeah, I just saw that :) === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:10] it's quite an impressive agenda === ajmitch should add to it [01:10] woohoo! [01:10] + * During freezes, uploads are sometimes held in a queue for manual approval. A [http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/unapproved-queue/ mirror] of this queue is [01:10] available to ease coordination during these periods. [01:11] but .... it's empty [01:14] sure [01:14] but it'll hopefully be there === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:24] ajmitch: I've got a debdiff for bug #80195. Should I write up the stuff as in StableReleaseUpdates on the wiki, and comment on the bug? [01:24] Malone bug 80195 in zope3 "Zope readline call fails in Edgy" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80195 [01:25] yes [01:25] no doubt you'll need approval from the people in charge [01:26] ah, the fun of SRUs [01:26] I'll subscribe ubuntu-sru... But won't I need a -core-dev ack? === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:26] sheesh... /me still needs to write the motu-sru report [01:26] Fujitsu_: ACK for what? [01:27] Are MOTUs allowed to request main SRUs? [01:27] they should be able to [01:27] Fujitsu_: they are [01:27] if they supply a fix, there shouldn't be a reason why they can't get it in [01:27] OK. [01:27] Fujitsu_: I did one, you just need a core-dev to sponsor the upload [01:27] Fujitsu_: at least I've only got to do the zope2.9 SRU :) [01:28] which is universe === Fujitsu_ growls a bit. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:28] hey Hobbsee === Fujitsu_ wonders if Hobbsee always responds to growls. [01:31] sistpoty: haha, great mail [01:31] ajmitch: thx [01:31] hey ajmitch, Fujitsu_! [01:31] Fujitsu_: growls? === Hobbsee wonders what mail [01:32] sistpoty: we need tshirts [01:32] hehe [01:32] Hobbsee: You entered approximately 1.5 seconds after I growled at zope3 being in main. [01:32] no problem about it being in main [01:32] apart from being broken :) [01:32] Plus main SRUs are annoying. [01:33] quite [01:33] siretart: as a rule, the kde related syncs are being filed, having asked various members of #kubuntu-devel [01:33] You need to deal with main gods, rather than universe ones. [01:33] siretart: it's only that we were slow in requesting the syncs [01:33] siretart: (for universe) [01:33] Fujitsu_: and special QA people [01:33] wow, CSS is kinda fun [01:33] ajmitch, == gods. [01:33] LaserJock: You've not dealt with it before? [01:33] siretart: also, they're usually being maintained by a big group of kde people in debian, so they're fairly well tested [01:33] Fujitsu_: I don't think he's core-dev, just special [01:34] Fujitsu_: no, my website design days were before CSS [01:34] Hobbsee: a pile of UVF requests [01:34] ?> [01:34] ajmitch: about 6 so far, iirc. [01:34] Fujitsu_: I'd rather deal with Main SRUs, they are easier [01:34] that's not many [01:35] ajmitch: there may be more. === ajmitch has a pile more to file [01:35] maybe 20+ :) [01:35] I've got 2 more [01:35] I've got 2 in -proposed, and I'm not sure they will get out [01:35] unless I can get a blanket exception for certain things [01:36] LaserJock: SRU or UVF? [01:36] SRU, sorry [01:36] I might have a few UVFs too [01:36] goffice is one from Main [01:36] not sure if I can swing that or not [01:37] Stupid LP... It OOPSes if I try to assign myself to that bug. === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:39] LP is special like that [01:40] it's probably some broken check [01:40] I'll try & assign it to you [01:41] at least it has the courtesy of saying "OOPS" instead of "I hate you, leave my poor database alone you sick freak!" [01:41] Fujitsu_: I'll wait until spiv has looked at the oops === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:42] I tried a few times, and it OOPSed... Now it doesn't. How strange. === Lutin [n=Lutin@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:42] it's LP [01:42] True. [01:42] its software === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:44] lifeless: LP seems to be a lot worse than most, unfortunately. [01:46] it's a large, complex project [01:46] Fujitsu_: have you told it to LP devs? #launchpad ;) [01:46] one that we happen to use as its developed [01:46] pochu: Yes, I did. [01:46] rule #1, all software sucks [01:47] ajmitch: I suppose... [01:48] some more than others [01:48] I'm not sure why all software sucks though [01:48] I guess it's just one of those "forces of nature" [01:48] ;-) [01:49] software I wrote doesn't suck... it was just never finished :P [01:50] hah [01:50] software has the ability to generate combinatorial interactions very easily [01:51] whereas its hard to e.g. mix acid and bases and /not/ get something neutralish [01:52] I blame the stochastic theory... if some software has two bugs, they just don't neutralize each other :( === ash211 [n=andrew@user-11213kf.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Saindo"] [02:00] sistpoty: I agree with the mail, we have done badly with actually carrying things through to a final decision === caravena [n=caravena@215-29-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:02] ajmitch: yep, that's why I think we need MC to be able to react fast... I guess some stuff will be discussed e.g. on ubuntu-motu ml and thus already are in a waiting state, so MC should be able to react fast [02:03] I think recent motu meetings haven't been too bad [02:03] like the one where we decided on things like UVF, release dates, etc [02:03] ajmitch: yep [02:04] I guess it also helped that we didn't start deferring decisions to the mailing lists ;) [02:06] it showed that a small group could make decisions if we were willing & didn't just look for MOTU-wide consensus :) [02:08] :) === xstasi [n=xstasi@85-18-14-24.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:09] hi [02:12] i would like to package some software for ubuntu, to be hopefully included in the official repos.. [02:12] how can i do that? :) [02:12] !packagingguide [02:12] The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources [02:12] !revu [02:12] REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU [02:12] xstasi: Hope that is of some help. [02:13] seems to be [02:13] well i actually already created some debs [02:13] so i think the first links are not so useful, but i'll take a look anyway [02:13] How did you create the debs? [02:13] took sources from debian [02:13] edited something on debian/ [02:13] Oh so its a package update then. [02:14] and debuilt them === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:14] What have you changed? [02:14] you know, dependencies, version... [02:14] No I don't know actualyl. [02:14] i made it for personal use, i prefer not to just "make install" things [02:14] actually [02:14] but i would like to see some stuff in the distro [02:15] Ok, what would you like to see? [02:15] audacious for example.. [02:15] it's a very valuable media player, a fork of xmms [02:15] i can't live without it from the day i knew it from debian :) [02:15] Is it already in Debian? [02:15] yeah [02:16] Well what is the version in Ubuntu missing? [02:16] it's not in ubuntu afaik [02:16] When did it enter Debian? [02:16] i don't know exactly [02:16] audacious | 1.2.2-3ubuntu1 | http://apt-proxy feisty/universe Packages [02:16] audacious | 1.2.2-3ubuntu1 | http://apt-proxy feisty/universe Sources [02:16] audacious | 1.2.2-4 | http://apt-proxy sid/main Sources [02:16] we have it [02:17] oh, so it's in feisty [02:17] :) [02:17] that's good === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-96-241.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [02:18] i only have edgy installed [02:20] well, if i find something that's not there, how could i help it to get to the mainstream? [02:20] depends if it's in debian or not [02:21] what happens in both cases? [02:23] if it's in debian, we just have to file a sync request as long as it's before freeze [02:23] otherwise the package needs to be created, reviewed & uploaded within the next week or less [02:24] i see [02:24] how does this happen? [02:24] which? [02:25] the 2nd [02:25] for creating a package, well the packaging guide url that TheMuso gave you before gives some tips [02:25] & then the packages are uploaded for review, and if approved, into the distro [02:27] i see [02:27] thanks :) [02:27] i like your work [02:28] i run debian, but i suggest and install ubuntu to everyone who wants to run linux :) === ajmitch runs both, depending on what is needed === TheMuso runs Ubuntu, but keeps a sid chroot around for whenever it is needed. [02:29] well, i have edgy installed too, to better help people when it comes to :) === RAOF [n=chris@202.63.35.99] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:33] thanks for the info.. [02:33] see you :) [02:33] ok, see you later === jrib [n=jasonr@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso wonders whether they will be back. === ajmitch shrugs [02:34] Lets hope so. [02:34] I'm here to scare them off === TheMuso disagrees. [02:34] it's what I do [02:34] You never managed to scare me off. :) [02:36] TheMuso: that's because is scary faces didn't work on you ;-) [02:36] *his [02:37] But people who may get scared off by ajmitch don't see his face either. [02:37] hmmm, it's a mystery then [02:38] TheMuso: probably a good thing people don't see my face [02:39] Probably a good thing people don't see mine either. :) [02:39] Laser_away still bears the mental scars [02:39] haha [02:40] he love & dedication for ubuntu won through in the end & he kept on hacking [02:40] though he did run away from mt view quite quickly === hak0 [n=user@bl5-9-58.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:41] TheMuso: his face is the worse part [02:42] scary to think of a mini-zul running around soon [02:43] yep...he'll be as cynical as I am === pochu [n=pochu@38.Red-88-7-170.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:43] hehe === sistpoty did it: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=362624 === ajmitch watches firefox disappear [02:49] useless windows XP [02:49] sistpoty: thanks! [02:50] we really need more testers, hopefully this helps [02:50] maybe in the edgy forum? [02:51] edgy forum? [02:51] yes === sistpoty just asked on #ubuntu-forums, because he has no clue about the forums at all [02:52] ajmitch: which edgy forum? *g* [02:52] it's there somewhere, i think :) [02:52] hehe [02:52] there is no edgy forum :) [02:52] I could be wrong, I don't really read the forums [02:52] oh well [02:52] the general forum encompasses every distro [02:52] development release gets its own section though [02:52] but those get locked/archived once a release comes out [02:52] sistpoty: if where you posted it isn't attracting enough attention after a bit, poke me [02:53] jdong: will do, thanks === Fujitsu_ [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:53] jdong: you should give sistpoty the big shiny developer tag too ;) [02:53] ajmitch: lol ok :) === ajmitch saw Laser_away had it [02:54] omg *g* [02:54] hah [02:55] sistpoty has shiny dev tag now [02:55] yay [02:56] now sistpoty is important :) [02:56] LOL [02:56] lol [02:56] thanks jdong [02:56] np anytime :) [02:56] well we know that the forums are the only important part, right? [02:57] of course. and arnieboy is god. [02:57] ajmitch: yes, we encompass a far majority portion of the community compared to all other support mechanisms combined. [02:57] :D [02:57] because the forums accomplish *so much* in pushing the distro forward [02:58] ajmitch: of course :) We're a bugtracker, spec targeter, and FAQ/HOWTO warehouse too :D [02:58] i note a tinge of sarcasm [02:58] lmao [02:59] and we have a Resolution Center where people pay a unique e-mail address to throw rotten fruit at the staff. === jdong grumbles [03:00] we just had a user register 5 user accounts in the span of a few minutes to have 'supporters' for his protest :) [03:00] impressive [03:00] it says something when I carry a greppable copy of a few proxy lists on my HDD :) === Subhuman [n=jack@host86-144-222-197.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:01] but of course, life would be boring otherwise, no? === ajmitch tends not to post on the forums that often [03:01] there's very little I can contribute === Subhuman [n=jack@host86-144-222-197.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:01] ajmitch: it's ok, your time is best spent developing the distro :) [03:02] ajmitch: we'll look after the new users for you :D [03:02] hah === ajmitch doesn't develop === Subhuman [n=jack@host86-144-222-197.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:02] I just sit & complain [03:02] Ever since I discovered mailing lists, I have not liked forums very much. [03:02] well.. your time is best spent syncing the revu keyring? :D [03:02] and sit & complain is my job :) [03:02] cron does that for me === ajmitch thinks zul should be tagged a developer on the forums ;) [03:03] yes, he should be [03:03] meh.. [03:03] lol ok [03:03] TheMuso: I haven't liked forums since... I discovered anything at all. [03:04] zul: all the better to drop you in it [03:04] and I'd like to take this time to complain about the vbulletin admincp UI.... [03:04] there's more config buttons than beryl === caravena_ [n=caravena@67-29-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:04] Any requirements for getting such a tag? [03:04] more like an incentive to not [03:04] jdong: hahah. [03:04] Fujitsu: you have to be a dev :D [03:04] Fujitsu: that's about it [03:04] Fujitsu_: you get rotten fruit thrown at you & 'bug reports' as soon as you talk up on the forums [03:05] ajmitch: no you dont :) === Hobbsee doesnt [03:05] a dev tag actually gets you better treatment.... [03:05] people know you know what you're talking about. === Hobbsee got to fire off a lovely reply yesterday, then pricechild closed the thread :D [03:05] ooh, "Is it worth filing feisty bugs yet?" [03:05] I lurk on the forums a little, occasionally posting in the Science one. [03:05] ajmitch: You saw that somewhere? [03:05] ajmitch: :) [03:05] no, it's best to wait until 2 minutes before release, so that developers have more pressure to make them work better [03:06] http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=362012 [03:06] ajmitch: of course. [03:06] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=359979 === Hobbsee likes ^ [03:07] :P [03:07] ajmitch: the trick about the forums is to only look at the vaguely sensible things [03:07] ajmitch: and the edgy version was far better than the feisty version [03:07] Hobbsee: lol [03:07] Hobbsee: the problem is trying to find something vaguely sensible [03:08] ajmitch: look at the subjects. [03:08] :P [03:08] jdong: seriously! [03:08] Hobbsee: and click through 10 pages to find something? [03:08] ajmitch: show more entries per page :P [03:09] Hobbsee: it is pretty true [03:09] ajmitch: well what are we supposed to do ? ban people for stupid questions? [03:09] ajmitch: we can't ban people for raging holy religious war [03:09] our hands are firmly tied behind our backs [03:09] with CoC's taping our mouths shut. [03:09] educate them [03:10] Ban them to an education forum. [03:10] LOL [03:11] jdong: yes, banning for stupid questions is quite acceptable :P [03:11] we know that release snapshots *must* be out at 00:00 on the day they're meant to be there, right? [03:11] lol I wish banning/infracting/locking were as easygoing as irc kicks [03:11] ajmitch, 00:00 UTC-[whatever the most negative offset is] [03:11] LaserJock! [03:12] ajmitch: no they're supposed to be released 5 minutes earlier the day before so that mirrors have it already [03:12] Fujitsu_: no, + the most positive offset [03:12] ajmitch: and there better be 20+ complete seeders on the torrent swarm! [03:12] ajmitch, yes, that one. Oops. [03:12] Fujitsu_: so as soon as it's 00:00 in NZ [03:12] ajmitch: I was petrified for sure. [03:12] LaserJock: hm? [03:13] ajmitch: Laser_away still bears the mental scars [03:13] ah right [03:13] even Hobbsee has met me in person [03:13] ok zul what on earth is your forum nick? [03:13] zulcss [03:14] ok [03:14] but i kind of like my anonimity === Hobbsee is still traumatised. [03:14] stay anonymous then, like me [03:14] lol I love how Developers is right above Disabled Users [03:14] you can flame people easier [03:14] ajmitch: lol [03:14] haha [03:14] ajmitch: and point to random statements in the CoC as your defense! it's failproof! [03:15] ajmitch: that's why you have a second account [03:15] exactly! [03:15] apparently locking threads is disrespecting someone's right to post. [03:15] Hobbsee: true, I'll go & set that up [03:15] jdong: violating the 1st amendment? [03:15] free ipods, anyone? :D [03:15] ajmitch: yeah. The CoC says Be Respectful :P [03:15] and that means everything (tm) [03:15] no matter whether anyone involved is american or not, we know that the US constitution is a global document [03:15] ajmitch: it definitely is [03:16] ajmitch: iraq didn't follow it and look what happened to them. === ash211_ [n=andrew@user-11fathg.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch thinks of some random & unrelated username for a throwaway account [03:17] lol [03:17] not_ajmitch [03:17] andrewm [03:17] How unrelated can you get? === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:17] ajmitch: you gonna find an anonymous proxy too? :D [03:18] true! [03:18] and throw rotten tomatoes at us in the res center? [03:18] ajmitch: Is this a see-how-fast-you-get-banned thing? [03:18] join anticommie1877's zombie force! === andrewm [n=ajmitch@cathnet.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:18] Hahah. === Fujitsu_ goes to class... IT. Terrific. [03:19] Heya gang [03:19] hello mr.bddebian [03:20] Hello andrewm [03:20] hi bddebian [03:20] Heya sistpoty === andrewm wants to try & get some packages updated [03:22] andrewm: how about a recent svn snap of ffmpeg! [03:22] LOL [03:22] no I don't want that [03:22] bddebian: you will help me? === bddebian runs and hides [03:22] andrewm: lyx 1.4.4 [03:23] hehe, I think I need another forums account [03:23] I think son-of-bddebian should do [03:23] andrewm: What are you trying to do? [03:23] hah [03:23] ajmitch: how about azureus 2.5.0.4? [03:23] ack [03:27] mwuahaha [03:27] I think I tricked N-M [03:27] why are people asking me to update these things? [03:27] LaserJock: ? [03:27] andrewm: which people? [03:28] andrewm: What did you want updated? [03:28] Hobbsee: jdong! [03:28] andrewm: you'd have to ask him that :P [03:28] bddebian: some packages [03:28] That's specific [03:28] andrewm: because you said you want to update some packages :) [03:28] sistpoty: I have a static IP on my desktop (home server) but network manager doesn't play nice with static IPs [03:28] andrewm: so I decided to go into sit and complain mode [03:29] LaserJock: and now evolution will always start offline! [03:29] LaserJock: ah... N-M as in network-manager [03:29] LaserJock: congrats :) [03:29] bddebian: first I want all the zope packages upgraded [03:29] sistpoty: so I think I got the dhcp server on the router to always give my desktop the same IP [03:29] ajmitch: libtrace3 needs another +1 ;) [03:30] andrewm: Well get to it ;-P [03:30] so it's static dhcp ;-) [03:30] sistpoty: that's something I want to bring up at the meeting [03:30] anyone know how to check quota on openAFS? [03:30] sistpoty: it's essentially a straight sync from debian, the REVU uploader is a local DD [03:30] sistpoty: so maybe the MC can decide on whether DDs need 2 MOTU acks on REVU [03:31] OpenAFS wasn't amused by me running pdf2ps on a 22-page book scan PDF [03:31] ajmitch: delicate question, at least for libtrace3 since it hasn't passed new yet iirc [03:31] HP Laserjet 8100's do not print 22MB/page documents [03:31] well, it spit out one page in a 26 hour period [03:31] <_ion> Hehe [03:32] sistpoty: yes, but it's more of a general thing - DDs aren't just the normal people, we can trust them more [03:32] ajmitch: and I guess that's quite a corner case, if a DD uploads a new package to revu [03:32] other students werent' amused at the 300-long lpr queue resulting from that.... [03:32] jdong: bad you [03:32] ajmitch: I know :( MIT printers are too hard to operate for me.... [03:33] ajmitch: otherwise it would be DD uploads to debian and just requests a sync [03:33] sistpoty: which I'd usually do [03:33] ajmitch: however I guess what we shouldn't forget to make it easier for DD's to become motu's due to their debian work [03:33] but at freeze times like this, or when things are very slow in debian.. [03:33] yeah, something to take into account in the new new developer process [03:34] ajmitch: for the corner cases like libtrace3 imo one ack should suffice [03:36] ok, upload it :) [03:36] :) [03:37] mattb: hopefully someone will work through NEW tomorrow [03:37] Yeah, I need my tilp libs :-( [03:37] cool :) [03:37] muchos gracias [03:37] no problem === andrewm [n=ajmitch@ubuntu/member/ajmitch] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === crweb [n=tom@12.206.114.162] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:38] hmm, is anybody going to be up for a quick revu tonight? [03:38]