[12:14] <sistpoty> hi folks
[12:14] <LaserJock> hi sistpoty 
[12:14] <sistpoty> hi LaserJock
[12:15] <TheMuso> Heya sistpoty.
[12:15] <sistpoty> hi TheMuso
[12:43] <LaserJock> sistpoty: wow, ambitious agenda for the MOTU Council ;-)
[12:44] <sistpoty> LaserJock: just a first draft ;)
[12:46] <LaserJock> anybody know of a simple multiple-binary CDBS package?
[12:48] <LaserJock> well you aren't any help
[12:48] <LaserJock> :-)
[12:50] <geser> LaserJock: grep-dctrl -sBinary -F Build-Depends cdbs /var/lib/apt/lists/*Sources | grep ,
[12:54] <LaserJock> geser: well, I was hoping for a little bit more experienced ;-)
[12:55] <LaserJock> experienced response, that is
[12:57] <geser> LaserJock: do you search a library or non-library package as an exmaple?
[12:57] <RAOF> LaserJock: The banshee package is kinda what you're after, I think.
[12:57] <LaserJock> non-library
[12:58] <RAOF> It produces banshee + banshee-daap.
[12:58] <RAOF> And is quite simple.
[12:58] <LaserJock> yeah, that might work
[12:59] <LaserJock> man, I love having my own local source mirror
[12:59] <LaserJock> instant source package lovin'
[12:59] <LaserJock> RAOF: yep, banshee is what I'm looking for, thanks
[01:03] <RAOF> No problem.
[01:06] <ajmitch> LaserJock: where is this ambitious agenda?
[01:10] <LaserJock> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Council
[01:10] <ajmitch> yeah, I just saw that :)
[01:10] <ajmitch> it's quite an impressive agenda
[01:10] <ajmitch> woohoo!
[01:10] <ajmitch> +  * During freezes, uploads are sometimes held in a queue for manual approval. A [http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/unapproved-queue/ mirror]  of this queue is
[01:10] <ajmitch> available to ease coordination during these periods.
[01:11] <LaserJock> but .... it's empty
[01:14] <ajmitch> sure
[01:14] <ajmitch> but it'll hopefully be there
[01:24] <Fujitsu_> ajmitch: I've got a debdiff for bug #80195. Should I write up the stuff as in StableReleaseUpdates on the wiki, and comment on the bug?
[01:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80195 in zope3 "Zope readline call fails in Edgy" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80195
[01:25] <ajmitch> yes
[01:25] <ajmitch> no doubt you'll need approval from the people in charge
[01:26] <ajmitch> ah, the fun of SRUs
[01:26] <Fujitsu_> I'll subscribe ubuntu-sru... But won't I need a -core-dev ack?
[01:26] <sistpoty> sheesh... /me still needs to write the motu-sru report 
[01:26] <ajmitch> Fujitsu_: ACK for what?
[01:27] <Fujitsu_> Are MOTUs allowed to request main SRUs?
[01:27] <ajmitch> they should be able to
[01:27] <LaserJock> Fujitsu_: they are
[01:27] <ajmitch> if they supply a fix, there shouldn't be a reason why they can't get it in
[01:27] <Fujitsu_> OK.
[01:27] <LaserJock> Fujitsu_: I did one, you just need a core-dev to sponsor the upload
[01:27] <ajmitch> Fujitsu_: at least I've only got to do the zope2.9 SRU :)
[01:28] <ajmitch> which is universe
[01:28] <ajmitch> hey Hobbsee 
[01:31] <ajmitch> sistpoty: haha, great mail
[01:31] <sistpoty> ajmitch: thx
[01:31] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch, Fujitsu_!
[01:31] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu_: growls?
[01:32] <ajmitch> sistpoty: we need tshirts
[01:32] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:32] <Fujitsu_> Hobbsee: You entered approximately 1.5 seconds after I growled at zope3 being in main.
[01:32] <ajmitch> no problem about it being in main
[01:32] <ajmitch> apart from being broken :)
[01:32] <Fujitsu_> Plus main SRUs are annoying.
[01:33] <ajmitch> quite
[01:33] <Hobbsee> siretart: as a rule, the kde related syncs are being filed, having asked various members of #kubuntu-devel
[01:33] <Fujitsu_> You need to deal with main gods, rather than universe ones.
[01:33] <Hobbsee> siretart: it's only that we were slow in requesting the syncs
[01:33] <Hobbsee> siretart: (for universe)
[01:33] <ajmitch> Fujitsu_: and special QA people
[01:33] <LaserJock> wow, CSS is kinda fun
[01:33] <Fujitsu_> ajmitch, == gods.
[01:33] <Fujitsu_> LaserJock: You've not dealt with it before?
[01:33] <Hobbsee> siretart: also, they're usually being maintained by a big group of kde people in debian, so they're fairly well tested
[01:33] <ajmitch> Fujitsu_: I don't think he's core-dev, just special
[01:34] <LaserJock> Fujitsu_: no, my website design days were before CSS
[01:34] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: a pile of UVF requests
[01:34] <ajmitch> ?>
[01:34] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: about 6 so far, iirc.
[01:34] <LaserJock> Fujitsu_: I'd rather deal with Main SRUs, they are easier
[01:34] <ajmitch> that's not many
[01:35] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: there may be more.
[01:35] <ajmitch> maybe 20+ :)
[01:35] <LaserJock> I've got 2 more
[01:35] <LaserJock> I've got 2 in -proposed, and I'm not sure they will get out
[01:35] <ajmitch> unless I can get a blanket exception for certain things
[01:36] <ajmitch> LaserJock: SRU or UVF?
[01:36] <LaserJock> SRU, sorry
[01:36] <LaserJock> I might have a few UVFs too
[01:36] <LaserJock> goffice is one from Main
[01:36] <LaserJock> not sure if I can swing that or not
[01:37] <Fujitsu_> Stupid LP... It OOPSes if I try to assign myself to that bug.
[01:39] <ajmitch> LP is special like that
[01:40] <ajmitch> it's probably some broken check
[01:40] <ajmitch> I'll try & assign it to you
[01:41] <LaserJock> at least it has the courtesy of saying "OOPS" instead of "I hate you, leave my poor database alone you sick freak!"
[01:41] <ajmitch> Fujitsu_: I'll wait until spiv has looked at the oops
[01:42] <Fujitsu_> I tried a few times, and it OOPSed... Now it doesn't. How strange.
[01:42] <ajmitch> it's LP
[01:42] <Fujitsu_> True.
[01:42] <lifeless> its software
[01:44] <Fujitsu_> lifeless: LP seems to be a lot worse than most, unfortunately.
[01:46] <ajmitch> it's a large, complex project
[01:46] <pochu> Fujitsu_: have you told it to LP devs? #launchpad ;)
[01:46] <ajmitch> one that we happen to use as its developed
[01:46] <Fujitsu_> pochu: Yes, I did.
[01:46] <lifeless> rule #1, all software sucks
[01:47] <Fujitsu_> ajmitch: I suppose...
[01:48] <LaserJock> some more than others
[01:48] <LaserJock> I'm not sure why all software sucks though
[01:48] <LaserJock> I guess it's just one of those "forces of nature"
[01:48] <LaserJock> ;-)
[01:49] <sistpoty> software I wrote doesn't suck... it was just never finished :P
[01:50] <ajmitch> hah
[01:50] <lifeless> software has the ability to generate combinatorial interactions very easily
[01:51] <lifeless> whereas its hard to e.g. mix acid and bases and /not/ get something neutralish
[01:52] <sistpoty> I blame the stochastic theory... if some software has two bugs, they just don't neutralize each other :(
[02:00] <ajmitch> sistpoty: I agree with the mail, we have done badly with actually carrying things through to a final decision
[02:02] <sistpoty> ajmitch: yep, that's why I think we need MC to be able to react fast... I guess some stuff will be discussed e.g. on ubuntu-motu ml and thus already are in a waiting state, so MC should be able to react fast
[02:03] <ajmitch> I think recent motu meetings haven't been too bad
[02:03] <ajmitch> like the one where we decided on things like UVF, release dates, etc
[02:03] <sistpoty> ajmitch: yep
[02:04] <sistpoty> I guess it also helped that we didn't start deferring decisions to the mailing lists ;)
[02:06] <ajmitch> it showed that a small group could make decisions if we  were willing & didn't just look for MOTU-wide consensus :)
[02:08] <sistpoty> :)
[02:09] <xstasi> hi
[02:12] <xstasi> i would like to package some software for ubuntu, to be hopefully included in the official repos..
[02:12] <xstasi> how can i do that? :)
[02:12] <TheMuso> !packagingguide
[02:12] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[02:12] <TheMuso> !revu
[02:12] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[02:12] <TheMuso> xstasi: Hope that is of some help.
[02:13] <xstasi> seems to be
[02:13] <xstasi> well i actually already created some debs
[02:13] <xstasi> so i think the first links are not so useful, but i'll take a look anyway
[02:13] <TheMuso> How did you create the debs?
[02:13] <xstasi> took sources from debian
[02:13] <xstasi> edited something on debian/
[02:13] <TheMuso> Oh so its a package update then.
[02:14] <xstasi> and debuilt them
[02:14] <TheMuso> What have you changed?
[02:14] <xstasi> you know, dependencies, version...
[02:14] <TheMuso> No I don't know actualyl.
[02:14] <xstasi> i made it for personal use, i prefer not to just "make install" things
[02:14] <TheMuso> actually
[02:14] <xstasi> but i would like to see some stuff in the distro
[02:15] <TheMuso> Ok, what would you like to see?
[02:15] <xstasi> audacious for example..
[02:15] <xstasi> it's a very valuable media player, a fork of xmms
[02:15] <xstasi> i can't live without it from the day i knew it from debian :)
[02:15] <TheMuso> Is it already in Debian?
[02:15] <xstasi> yeah
[02:16] <TheMuso> Well what is the version in Ubuntu missing?
[02:16] <xstasi> it's not in ubuntu afaik
[02:16] <TheMuso> When did it enter Debian?
[02:16] <xstasi> i don't know exactly
[02:16] <ajmitch>  audacious | 1.2.2-3ubuntu1 | http://apt-proxy feisty/universe Packages
[02:16] <ajmitch>  audacious | 1.2.2-3ubuntu1 | http://apt-proxy feisty/universe Sources
[02:16] <ajmitch>  audacious |    1.2.2-4 | http://apt-proxy sid/main Sources
[02:16] <ajmitch> we have it
[02:17] <xstasi> oh, so it's in feisty
[02:17] <xstasi> :)
[02:17] <xstasi> that's good
[02:18] <xstasi> i only have edgy installed
[02:20] <xstasi> well, if i find something that's not there, how could i help it to get to the mainstream?
[02:20] <ajmitch> depends if it's in debian or not
[02:21] <xstasi> what happens in both cases?
[02:23] <ajmitch> if it's in debian, we just have to file a sync request as long as it's before freeze
[02:23] <ajmitch> otherwise the package needs to be created, reviewed & uploaded within the next week or less
[02:24] <xstasi> i see
[02:24] <xstasi> how does this happen?
[02:24] <ajmitch> which?
[02:25] <xstasi> the 2nd
[02:25] <ajmitch> for creating a package, well the packaging guide url that TheMuso gave you before gives some tips
[02:25] <ajmitch> & then the packages are uploaded for review, and if approved, into the distro
[02:27] <xstasi> i see
[02:27] <xstasi> thanks :)
[02:27] <xstasi> i like your work
[02:28] <xstasi> i run debian, but i suggest and install ubuntu to everyone who wants to run linux :)
[02:29] <xstasi> well, i have edgy installed too, to better help people when it comes to :)
[02:33] <xstasi> thanks for the info..
[02:33] <xstasi> see you :)
[02:33] <ajmitch> ok, see you later
[02:34] <TheMuso> Lets hope so.
[02:34] <ajmitch> I'm here to scare them off
[02:34] <ajmitch> it's what I do
[02:34] <TheMuso> You never managed to scare me off. :)
[02:36] <Laser_away> TheMuso: that's because is scary faces didn't work on you ;-)
[02:36] <Laser_away> *his
[02:37] <TheMuso> But people who may get scared off by ajmitch don't see his face either.
[02:37] <Laser_away> hmmm, it's a mystery then
[02:38] <ajmitch> TheMuso: probably a good thing people don't see my face
[02:39] <TheMuso> Probably a good thing people don't see mine either. :)
[02:39] <ajmitch> Laser_away still bears the mental scars
[02:39] <TheMuso> haha
[02:40] <ajmitch> he love & dedication for ubuntu won through in the end & he kept on hacking
[02:40] <ajmitch> though he did run away from mt view quite quickly
[02:41] <zul> TheMuso: his face is the worse part
[02:42] <ajmitch> scary to think of a mini-zul running around soon
[02:43] <zul> yep...he'll be as cynical as I am 
[02:43] <ajmitch> hehe
[02:49] <ajmitch> useless windows XP
[02:49] <ajmitch> sistpoty: thanks!
[02:50] <sistpoty> we really need more testers, hopefully this helps
[02:50] <ajmitch> maybe in the edgy forum?
[02:51] <sistpoty> edgy forum?
[02:51] <ajmitch> yes
[02:52] <sistpoty> ajmitch: which edgy forum? *g*
[02:52] <ajmitch> it's there somewhere, i think :)
[02:52] <sistpoty> hehe
[02:52] <jdong> there is no edgy forum :)
[02:52] <ajmitch> I could be wrong, I don't really read the forums
[02:52] <ajmitch> oh well
[02:52] <jdong> the general forum encompasses every distro
[02:52] <jdong> development release gets its own section though
[02:52] <jdong> but those get locked/archived once a release comes out
[02:52] <jdong> sistpoty: if where you posted it isn't attracting enough attention after a bit, poke me
[02:53] <sistpoty> jdong: will do, thanks
[02:53] <ajmitch> jdong: you should give sistpoty the big shiny developer tag too ;)
[02:53] <jdong> ajmitch: lol ok :)
[02:54] <sistpoty> omg *g*
[02:54] <ajmitch> hah
[02:55] <jdong> sistpoty has shiny dev tag now
[02:55] <ajmitch> yay
[02:56] <ajmitch> now sistpoty is important :)
[02:56] <jdong> LOL
[02:56] <sistpoty> lol
[02:56] <sistpoty> thanks jdong
[02:56] <jdong> np anytime :)
[02:56] <ajmitch> well we know that the forums are the only important part, right?
[02:57] <Hobbsee> of course.  and arnieboy is god.
[02:57] <jdong> ajmitch: yes, we encompass a far majority portion of the community compared to all other support mechanisms combined.
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[02:57] <ajmitch> because the forums accomplish *so much* in pushing the distro forward
[02:58] <jdong> ajmitch: of course :) We're a bugtracker, spec targeter, and FAQ/HOWTO warehouse too :D
[02:58] <zul> i note a tinge of sarcasm
[02:58] <jdong> lmao
[02:59] <jdong> and we have a Resolution Center where people pay a unique e-mail address to throw rotten fruit at the staff.
[03:00] <jdong> we just had a user register 5 user accounts in the span of a few minutes to have 'supporters' for his protest :)
[03:00] <ajmitch> impressive
[03:00] <jdong> it says something when I carry a greppable copy of a few proxy lists on my HDD :)
[03:01] <jdong> but of course, life would be boring otherwise, no?
[03:01] <ajmitch> there's very little I can contribute
[03:01] <jdong> ajmitch: it's ok, your time is best spent developing the distro :)
[03:02] <jdong> ajmitch: we'll look after the new users for you :D
[03:02] <ajmitch> hah
[03:02] <ajmitch> I just sit & complain
[03:02] <TheMuso> Ever since I discovered mailing lists, I have not liked forums very much.
[03:02] <jdong> well.. your time is best spent syncing the revu keyring? :D
[03:02] <jdong> and sit & complain is my job :)
[03:02] <ajmitch> cron does that for me
[03:03] <Hobbsee> yes, he should be
[03:03] <zul> meh..
[03:03] <jdong> lol ok
[03:03] <Fujitsu_> TheMuso: I haven't liked forums since... I discovered anything at all.
[03:04] <ajmitch> zul: all the better to drop  you in it
[03:04] <jdong> and I'd like to take this time to complain about the vbulletin admincp UI....
[03:04] <jdong> there's more config buttons than beryl
[03:04] <Fujitsu_> Any requirements for getting such a tag?
[03:04] <zul> more like an incentive to not
[03:04] <Fujitsu_> jdong: hahah.
[03:04] <jdong> Fujitsu: you have to be a dev :D
[03:04] <jdong> Fujitsu: that's about it
[03:04] <ajmitch> Fujitsu_: you get rotten fruit thrown at you & 'bug reports' as soon as you talk up on the forums
[03:05] <jdong> ajmitch: no you dont :)
[03:05] <jdong> a dev tag actually gets you better treatment....
[03:05] <jdong> people know you know what you're talking about.
[03:05] <ajmitch> ooh, "Is it worth filing feisty bugs yet?"
[03:05] <Fujitsu_> I lurk on the forums a little, occasionally posting in the Science one.
[03:05] <Fujitsu_> ajmitch: You saw that somewhere?
[03:05] <jdong> ajmitch: :)
[03:05] <ajmitch> no, it's best to wait until 2 minutes before release, so that developers have more pressure to make them work better
[03:06] <ajmitch> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=362012
[03:06] <Fujitsu_> ajmitch: of course.
[03:06] <Hobbsee> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=359979
[03:07] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:07] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: the trick about the forums is to only look at the vaguely sensible things
[03:07] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: and the edgy version was far better than the feisty version
[03:07] <jdong> Hobbsee: lol
[03:07] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: the problem is trying to find something vaguely sensible
[03:08] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: look at the subjects.
[03:08] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:08] <Hobbsee> jdong: seriously!
[03:08] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: and click through 10 pages to find something?
[03:08] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: show more entries per page :P
[03:09] <jdong> Hobbsee: it is pretty true
[03:09] <jdong> ajmitch: well what are we supposed to do ? ban people for stupid questions?
[03:09] <jdong> ajmitch: we can't ban people for raging holy religious war
[03:09] <jdong> our hands are firmly tied behind our backs
[03:09] <jdong> with CoC's taping our mouths shut.
[03:09] <ajmitch> educate them
[03:10] <Fujitsu_> Ban them to an education forum.
[03:10] <jdong> LOL
[03:11] <Hobbsee> jdong: yes, banning for stupid questions is quite acceptable :P
[03:11] <ajmitch> we know that release snapshots *must* be out at 00:00 on the day they're meant to be there, right?
[03:11] <jdong> lol I wish banning/infracting/locking were as easygoing as irc kicks
[03:11] <Fujitsu_> ajmitch, 00:00 UTC-[whatever the most negative offset is] 
[03:11] <ajmitch> LaserJock!
[03:12] <jdong> ajmitch: no they're supposed to be released 5 minutes earlier the day before so that mirrors have it already
[03:12] <ajmitch> Fujitsu_: no, + the most positive offset
[03:12] <jdong> ajmitch: and there better be 20+ complete seeders on the torrent swarm!
[03:12] <Fujitsu_> ajmitch, yes, that one. Oops.
[03:12] <ajmitch> Fujitsu_: so as soon as it's 00:00 in NZ
[03:12] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I was petrified for sure.
[03:12] <ajmitch> LaserJock: hm?
[03:13] <LaserJock> ajmitch: Laser_away still bears the mental scars
[03:13] <ajmitch> ah right
[03:13] <ajmitch> even Hobbsee has met me in person
[03:13] <jdong> ok zul what on earth is your forum nick?
[03:13] <zul> zulcss
[03:14] <jdong> ok
[03:14] <zul> but i kind of like my anonimity
[03:14] <ajmitch> stay anonymous then, like me
[03:14] <jdong> lol I love how Developers is right above Disabled Users
[03:14] <ajmitch> you can flame people easier
[03:14] <jdong> ajmitch: lol
[03:14] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:14] <jdong> ajmitch: and point to random statements in the CoC as your defense! it's failproof!
[03:15] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: that's why you have a second account
[03:15] <ajmitch> exactly!
[03:15] <jdong> apparently locking threads is disrespecting someone's right to post.
[03:15] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: true, I'll go & set that up
[03:15] <ajmitch> jdong: violating the 1st amendment?
[03:15] <jdong> free ipods, anyone? :D
[03:15] <jdong> ajmitch: yeah. The CoC says Be Respectful :P
[03:15] <jdong> and that means everything (tm)
[03:15] <ajmitch> no matter whether anyone involved is american or not, we know that the US constitution is a global document
[03:15] <jdong> ajmitch: it definitely is
[03:16] <jdong> ajmitch: iraq didn't follow it and look what happened to them.
[03:17] <jdong> lol
[03:17] <jdong> not_ajmitch
[03:17] <Fujitsu_> andrewm
[03:17] <Fujitsu_> How unrelated can you get?
[03:17] <jdong> ajmitch: you gonna find an anonymous proxy too? :D
[03:18] <ajmitch> true!
[03:18] <jdong> and throw rotten tomatoes at us in the res center?
[03:18] <Fujitsu_> ajmitch: Is this a see-how-fast-you-get-banned thing?
[03:18] <jdong> join anticommie1877's zombie force!
[03:18] <Fujitsu_> Hahah.
[03:19] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:19] <andrewm> hello mr.bddebian
[03:20] <bddebian> Hello andrewm
[03:20] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[03:20] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[03:22] <jdong> andrewm: how about a recent svn snap of ffmpeg!
[03:22] <jdong> LOL
[03:22] <andrewm> no I don't want that
[03:22] <andrewm> bddebian: you will help me?
[03:22] <jdong> andrewm: lyx 1.4.4
[03:23] <LaserJock> hehe, I think I need another forums account
[03:23] <LaserJock> I think son-of-bddebian should do
[03:23] <bddebian> andrewm: What are you trying to do?
[03:23] <bddebian> hah
[03:23] <jdong> ajmitch: how about azureus 2.5.0.4?
[03:23] <bddebian> ack
[03:27] <LaserJock> mwuahaha
[03:27] <LaserJock> I think I tricked N-M
[03:27] <andrewm> why are people asking me to update these things?
[03:27] <sistpoty> LaserJock: ?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> andrewm: which people?
[03:28] <bddebian> andrewm: What did you want updated?
[03:28] <andrewm> Hobbsee: jdong!
[03:28] <Hobbsee> andrewm: you'd have to ask him that :P
[03:28] <andrewm> bddebian: some packages
[03:28] <bddebian> That's specific
[03:28] <jdong> andrewm: because you said you want to update some packages :)
[03:28] <LaserJock> sistpoty: I have a static IP on my desktop (home server) but network manager doesn't play nice with static IPs
[03:28] <jdong> andrewm: so I decided to go into sit and complain mode
[03:29] <jdong> LaserJock: and now evolution will always start offline!
[03:29] <sistpoty> LaserJock: ah... N-M as in network-manager
[03:29] <jdong> LaserJock: congrats :)
[03:29] <andrewm> bddebian: first I want all the zope packages upgraded
[03:29] <LaserJock> sistpoty: so I think I got the dhcp server on the router to always give my desktop the same IP
[03:29] <sistpoty> ajmitch: libtrace3 needs another +1 ;)
[03:30] <bddebian> andrewm: Well get to it ;-P
[03:30] <LaserJock> so it's static dhcp ;-)
[03:30] <ajmitch> sistpoty: that's something I want to bring up at the meeting
[03:30] <jdong> anyone know how to check quota on openAFS?
[03:30] <ajmitch> sistpoty: it's essentially a straight sync from debian, the REVU uploader is a local DD 
[03:30] <ajmitch> sistpoty: so maybe the MC can decide on whether DDs need 2 MOTU acks on REVU
[03:31] <jdong> OpenAFS wasn't amused by me running pdf2ps on a 22-page book scan PDF
[03:31] <sistpoty> ajmitch: delicate question, at least for libtrace3 since it hasn't passed new yet iirc
[03:31] <jdong> HP Laserjet 8100's do not print 22MB/page documents
[03:31] <jdong> well, it spit out one page in a 26 hour period
[03:31] <_ion> Hehe
[03:32] <ajmitch> sistpoty: yes, but it's more of a general thing - DDs aren't just the normal people, we can trust them more
[03:32] <sistpoty> ajmitch: and I guess that's quite a corner case, if a DD uploads a new package to revu
[03:32] <jdong> other students werent' amused at the 300-long lpr queue resulting from that....
[03:32] <ajmitch> jdong: bad you
[03:32] <jdong> ajmitch: I know :( MIT printers are too hard to operate for me....
[03:33] <sistpoty> ajmitch: otherwise it would be DD uploads to debian and just requests a sync
[03:33] <ajmitch> sistpoty: which I'd usually do
[03:33] <sistpoty> ajmitch: however I guess what we shouldn't forget to make it easier for DD's to become motu's due to their debian work
[03:33] <ajmitch> but at freeze times like this, or when things are very slow in debian..
[03:33] <ajmitch> yeah, something to take into account in the new new developer process
[03:34] <sistpoty> ajmitch: for the corner cases like libtrace3 imo one ack should suffice
[03:36] <ajmitch> ok, upload it :)
[03:36] <sistpoty> :)
[03:37] <ajmitch> mattb: hopefully someone will work through NEW tomorrow 
[03:37] <bddebian> Yeah, I need my tilp libs :-(
[03:37] <mattb> cool :)
[03:37] <mattb> muchos gracias
[03:37] <ajmitch> no problem
[03:38] <LaserJock> hmm, is anybody going to be up for a quick revu tonight?
[03:38] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yeah, possibly
[03:38] <ajmitch> depends on what it is
[03:38] <bddebian> kind a like gpib, or bibus, or... ;-P
[03:39] <bddebian> LaserJock: Is it up already
[03:39] <bddebian> ?
[03:39] <LaserJock> it's a data package, really easy
[03:39] <sistpoty> mattb: uploaded ;)
[03:39] <LaserJock> nah, I gotta Feistyize it real quick
[03:40] <LaserJock> it's in Debian NEW right now
[03:40] <ajmitch> sistpoty: archived on revu
[03:40] <sistpoty> :)
[03:41] <sistpoty> bddebian: I'll take a look in a few minutes (just out for a cigarette)
[03:41] <bddebian> sistpoty: Look at what?
[03:42] <jdong> "Server is going to be <StatusType instance at 0xb7962a74> for 5-7 hours due to None/usr/bin/co:  No such file or directory""
[03:42] <jdong> err
[03:42] <_ion> Haha
[03:43] <jdong> that's gotta be one of the best borked e-mails I've gotten
[03:43] <ajmitch> jdong: python
[03:43] <jdong> ajmitch: yeah no kidding :)
[03:44] <LaserJock> hmm, what the heck should I version this
[03:44] <LaserJock> Debian is going to be 5-2
[03:45] <ajmitch> 5-2ubuntu1
[03:45] <ajmitch> or 5-2~ubuntu1 :)
[03:45] <LaserJock> right
[03:45] <LaserJock> eww
[03:46] <ajmitch> exactly
[03:46] <crimsun> eh, initramfs-tools's versioning is more hairy
[03:51] <sistpoty> bddebian: gpib, bibus?
[03:52] <ajmitch> sistpoty: I think bddebian was hinting that someone review his packages
[03:53] <sistpoty> ajmitch: yep, that's what I thought and I'll look at it ;)
[03:53] <ajmitch> can't imagine why he wants that
[03:53] <sistpoty> hehe
[03:53] <ajmitch> did we decide that it wasn't needed?
[03:54] <sistpoty> ajmitch: nope, deferred to MC
[03:54] <sistpoty> however tfheen was happy unless the reject rate wouldn't increase extraordinarily
[03:55] <ajmitch> then the MC should decide :)
[03:56] <sistpoty> *g*
[03:56] <ajmitch> considering that 3 of the MC were active in the meeting, out of about 4 people active
[03:56] <LaserJock> I kinda like the 1 vote for MOTU unles they are trivial packages
[03:56] <sistpoty> ajmitch: MC still needs to decide how to decide *g*
[03:56] <LaserJock> oh geeze
[03:57] <ajmitch> haha
[03:57] <ajmitch> LaserJock: we'll get it sorted for feisty+1 ;)
[03:57] <bddebian> sistpoty: They are a mess. gpib doesn't even build and bibus is hideous.
[03:57] <bddebian> I clean it up in a newer version but then it doesn't install/configure the databases
[03:58] <bddebian> cleaned..
[03:58] <sistpoty> bddebian: I'm just looking at gpib... I'll put a debdiff somewhere if I make it build
[03:58] <LaserJock> so you guys need a subcommittee to decide how the council will decid how many votes it takes to decide that a package can go into Universe
[03:59] <LaserJock> I'm sure glad there isn't any red tape around here
[03:59] <sistpoty> hehe... well I wrote a mail earlier stating that I'd like to see MC in a position to decide fast.
[04:00] <ajmitch> sistpoty: cage fight?
[04:01] <sistpoty> hehe
[04:01] <LaserJock> I was thinking less viloent
[04:01] <LaserJock> like rock-paper-scissors
[04:02] <ajmitch> poker!
[04:02] <sistpoty> damn, I've got a bad poker face
[04:02] <ajmitch> heh
[04:02] <LaserJock> poker can take a long time though
[04:02] <ajmitch> but it's fun
[04:06] <LaserJock> oh this is cool
[04:07] <LaserJock> dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address
[04:07] <tonyyarusso> It's smart enough to want an @ubuntu address?
[04:07] <ajmitch> yes
[04:07] <ajmitch> and I can imagine it'll be very annoying
[04:08] <LaserJock> so what am I supposed to do
[04:08] <ajmitch> sprinkle magical fairy dust over it & change the maintainer field
[04:09] <ajmitch> & preserve the old one
[04:09] <LaserJock> I thought that broke ome buildds
[04:09] <ajmitch> read the devel team minutes from earlier
[04:09] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: got that pkg guide in repos yet?  It's been a whole, like, 24 hours!  :P  (kidding)
[04:10] <LaserJock> well, getting there
[04:10] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: cool enough.  I'm going to have to go to the library or a friend's house to do this though, since I've read pbuilder downloads an entire installation...
[04:19] <sistpoty> bddebian: for gpib, have you looked at the old version? imo the package on revu somehow tries to build the kernel modules and thus fails. maybe patches/dont-build-modules.patch from the old version will give you a hint
[04:20] <bddebian> sistpoty: Hmm, no I don't remember seeing that. :-(
[04:26] <LaserJock> yeah, I don't think the old one built the modules
[04:26] <LaserJock> I tried them once
[04:26] <bddebian> Stupid :-(
[04:26] <matt_good> ok, I've tried following all the instructions for getting registered to upload to REVU, but when I upload a package it keeps getting rejected: "Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution."
[04:27] <matt_good> the distribution in the package is set to feisty
[04:27] <ajmitch> you're probably uploading to ubuntu, not to revu
[04:27] <matt_good> ah, hrm
[04:27] <matt_good> let's see
[04:29] <matt_good> yeah, I think that was it
[04:30] <LaserJock> doh
[04:31] <matt_good> yeah, I skipped editing dput.cf since the wiki mentioned that it was already configured for REVU since Dapper
[04:33] <matt_good> well, it's in there, it's just not the default
[04:33] <matt_good> but I skipped ahead because of that
[04:35] <tonyyarusso> Speaking of uploading, I'm currently reading the Packaging Guide with the hope of being able to package Livejournal (strictly "because it's there...and not packaged yet").  If I do, what do I do next to get it to somethingorother?
[04:35] <LaserJock> !revu
[04:35] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[04:35] <tonyyarusso> gotcha
[04:38] <LaserJock> ajmitch, bddebian, or sistpoty: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4373
[04:38] <ajmitch> I didn't do it!
[04:38] <ajmitch> oh
[04:40] <sistpoty> LaserJock: I'll look at it tomorrow... right now I'm falling into bed
[04:41] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[04:41] <LaserJock> sistpoty: hopefully you won't need to look at it
[04:41] <LaserJock> cya
[04:41] <sistpoty> hehe
[04:41] <bddebian> LaserJock: Give me a few
[04:42] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch: I just added myself to the -universe-contributors LP team.  Could you resync the REVU uploaders keyring?
[04:45] <tonyyarusso> or any other REVU admin if he's gone away
[04:45] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: it just takes a while to sync
[04:45] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: of course
[04:45] <tonyyarusso> automated?
[04:46] <tonyyarusso> (figured it might not be instant - hence doing that now, not after I have the package done, if I succeed)
[04:47] <LaserJock> it has to go out an grab *every* gpg key
[04:47] <LaserJock> including MOTUs and core-devs
[04:47] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: it's not automated, iirc
[04:47] <tonyyarusso> It's funny that that sort of thing can't do a diff sort of deal
[04:48] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: resyncing now
[04:48] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: it is automated
[04:48] <ajmitch> called cron
[04:48] <tonyyarusso> Okay, so far the most confusing part of this doc is rules file.  I have no idea what most of that means.
[04:48] <Hobbsee> oh.  i was told that it wasnt in cron, i think
[04:49] <tonyyarusso> The rest looks pretty straightforward.
[04:49] <ajmitch> LaserJock: guess what!
[04:50] <LaserJock> what?
[04:50] <ajmitch> I added a blog
[04:50] <LaserJock> OH MY GOSH!!!
[04:51] <ajmitch> now I need to learn how to configure it nicely
[04:51] <ajmitch> & I hope it's not incredibly slow
[04:52] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: don't die please
[04:52] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch: type?
[04:52] <ajmitch> quills
[04:53] <tonyyarusso> In this example, are they just naming it hello-debhelper to differentiate from before?  You don't actually do that for real do you?
[04:54] <LaserJock> no
[04:54] <tonyyarusso> k
[04:54] <LaserJock> that's the name of the package
[04:54] <bddebian> LaserJock: Isn't the AUTHORS file supposed to be in debian/docs?
[04:54] <tonyyarusso> so, you could make the same program two ways, and have it in the repos under different names?
[04:55] <LaserJock> well, hello is a specific example to how different build methods
[04:56] <tonyyarusso> right
[04:56] <LaserJock> normally we don't have packages with the same source
[04:56] <LaserJock> you are the 2nd person to bring this up in the last few days
[04:56] <LaserJock> I had never thought that it would be a problem
[04:56] <LaserJock> but obviously it's not necessarily clear why there is hello and hello-debhelper
[04:57] <tonyyarusso> Well, it's clear why there is hello and hello-debhelper.  What is not clear is if the thing I make should be livejournal or livejournal-debhelper, if made with debhelper but without there existing a from scratch version.
[04:58] <LaserJock> right
[04:58] <tonyyarusso> A "Note:" may be in order
[04:59] <LaserJock> I need to make it clear that it's named that to differentiate it from hello, not that you have to append -debhelper to packages using debhelper
[04:59] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yay, it failed when adding a blog entry "_
[04:59] <ajmitch> :)
[05:00] <ajmitch> so no blog for me now
[05:03] <LaserJock> dude, you gave up waaaaay to easily ;-)
[05:03] <ajmitch> haha
[05:03] <LaserJock> bddebian: I don't see anywhere where I *have* to include AUTHORS
[05:05] <ajmitch> LaserJock: having a blog means having to write coherently
[05:08] <bddebian> LaserJock: Well I did advocate anyway :-)
[05:08] <LaserJock> ok, I'll upload it then
[05:09] <ajmitch> back later
[05:10] <tonyyarusso> How many of you use CDBS vs debhelper vs just do it?
[05:12] <LaserJock> basically all new packages are done using CDBS or debhelper
[05:12] <LaserJock> I think debhelper is more common
[05:57] <RAOF> If anyone wants some work, there's http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4300 to review :)
[05:57] <RAOF> It's not my package, but I'd like to get it in.
[05:58] <RAOF> It seems to be lintian & linda clean (I've just debuilt it), except for the build-dep on debhelper >=4.1.0
[07:03] <LaserJock> anybody have an idea what "Any source code review performed ?" means in a MIR?
[07:17] <Amaranth> LaserJock: is the code sane?
[07:19] <LaserJock> Amaranth: hehe, I don't know that I could tell
[07:19] <LaserJock> but the code has been around for over 10 years so I'd think it would be fairly sane by now
[07:20] <Amaranth> LaserJock: what is it?
[07:20] <LaserJock> rasmol
[07:20] <Amaranth> !info rasmol
[07:20] <ubotu> rasmol: Visualize biological macromolecules. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.7.2.1.1-4ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 667 kB, installed size 1568 kB
[07:20] <Amaranth> Does it run as root? Install an init script? Any other similarly invasive things?
[07:20] <LaserJock> nope
[07:21] <LaserJock> it's just a simple GUI window that you can open up molecule files in
[07:21] <Lathiat> im not sure 10 year old code could always be classified as 'sane' ;)
[07:21] <Amaranth> I'd say it's probably alright then but you've been asked to do a code review so I'm not sure how you should respond.
[07:22] <LaserJock> Lathiat: I realize that, but people don't seem to have issues with it
[07:22] <ajmitch> LaserJock: impressive version number
[07:25] <Amaranth> That's a SkyOS version number
[07:49] <Fujitsu> `I installed Feisty's prevu on Breezy, and it doesn't work'
[07:49] <Fujitsu> What a great bug.
[07:50] <bluefoxicy> In bed with a ninja on fire.
[07:50] <bluefoxicy> Fujitsu:  we actually have a package called pervu?  Is that the new pornview?
[07:51] <bluefoxicy> (by 'we' I mean 'users of ubuntu' or something)
[07:52] <LaserJock> prevu bluefoxicy not pervu
[07:52] <bluefoxicy> .... oh o.o
[07:53] <bluefoxicy> LaserJock:  CMU says that the order of letters doesn't matter as long as the first and last are the same
[07:53] <bluefoxicy> I guess it works for freudian interpretation of new vocabulary too
[08:24] <LaserJock> wahoo, pitti rocks
[08:26] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yes, he does, but why this time?
[08:28] <LaserJock> he's doing a archive/MIR day I think
[08:28] <ajmitch> yes, he is
[08:28] <ajmitch> ah, has he approved MIRs for you?
[08:30] <LaserJock> maybe ;-)
[08:30] <ajmitch> :P
[08:35] <imbrandon> moins
[08:35] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon 
[08:35] <imbrandon> heya LaserJock 
[08:36] <imbrandon> woot gmail rocks once again, the pop retreival works for all accounts now
[08:37] <Amaranth> crimsun: what was that patch to make conexant hda work again?
[08:40] <ajmitch> hey imbrandon 
[08:40] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch 
[08:44] <qiyong> is ubuntu alwasy depends on debian?
[08:44] <qiyong>  i think i should run a newest ubuntu in order to develop it, like debian sid
[08:56] <Amaranth> qiyong: did you go to every ubuntu channel and ask this question?
[08:57] <qiyong> Amaranth, :p
[08:57] <qiyong> Amaranth, i get the answer now
[08:57] <qiyong> thanks
[08:58] <qiyong> Amaranth, you answered me
[08:58] <Amaranth> qiyong: happy to help
[08:58] <Amaranth> but try to show a little patience
[08:58] <qiyong> Amaranth, ubuntu seems the best linux disto i ever see
[08:58] <qiyong> i plan to move from debian to ubuntu
[09:15] <TheMuso> c
[09:15] <TheMuso> bah
[09:16] <ajmitch> :)
[09:26] <imbrandon> root@kshafw01:~# ls -la /usr/local/nagios/libexec/check_disk
[09:26] <imbrandon> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 72956 2005-01-26 05:28 /usr/local/nagios/libexec/check_disk
[09:26] <imbrandon> crap
[10:39] <cbx33> where do i log bugs for network manager?
[10:40] <ogra> there is this thing called malone :P
[10:41] <lionel> cbx33: someone open the bug you had on malone
[10:41] <lionel> I do not remember the bug number but I saw it yesterday night
[10:41] <cbx33> lionel: which bug?
[10:41] <cbx33> ogra: ha ha.....i try and it says network manager doesn't use malone
[10:42] <cbx33> https://bugs.launchpad.net/network-manager/+filebug
[10:42] <ogra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bugs
[10:42] <cbx33> if that is the real network manager
[10:43] <cbx33> hat's silly
[10:43] <ogra> unless you want to file it upstream :)
[10:43] <cbx33> no
[10:43] <lionel> cbx33: #85443
[10:43] <cbx33> :p
[10:43] <ogra> your link is the upstream link
[10:43] <lionel> oups... no the comment says it is not a bug :-(
[10:44] <cbx33> hh
[10:45] <cbx33> no mine is a different bug
[10:45] <cbx33> I'm just about to file it
[12:41] <Kano> hi, could someone update fuse-utils to a recent cvs snapshot?
[12:41] <Kano> would work better with ntfs-3g
[12:42] <givr1> Kano: what's wrong with the current one
[12:43] <Kano> with a current snapshot (2.6.3+cvs) you can even use mount -a with uuids in the fstab, also you get no errors with media:/ protocol in konqueror anymore
[12:44] <Kano> you have 2.6.2 in rep. 2.6.3 is current (but would not be new enough)
[12:45] <Kano> ntfs-3g is new enough
[12:45] <Kano> i made a test last week
[12:46] <Kano> not from today
[12:46] <Kano> but if you want to try
[12:46] <Kano> http://kanotix.com/files/fix/ntfs-3g/fuse_2.6.3+cvs20070209-0.dsc
[12:47] <Kano> do you use ntfs-3g?
[12:49] <givr1> Kano: fuse is in main so until you convince ogra to use a cvs version of fuse, i suggest you to take the bits who fix your issue from cvs and make a patch for 2.6.2
[12:49] <givr1> Kano: yes i use it
[12:49] <Kano> a patch for 2.6.3?
[12:49] <givr1> Kano: but didn't try uuid on my feisty box
[12:50] <Kano> why do you still have the broken 2.6.2?
[12:50] <Kano> it is not recommended at all by ntfs-3g
[12:51] <givr1> Kano: the problem with ntfs-3g was in the kernel module. We don't care in feisty since we use 2.6.20 ones
[12:52] <Kano> the problem is NOT the kernel module
[12:52] <givr1> Kano: but i agree that it should be good to update to 2.6.3
[12:52] <Kano> the user space tools are the problem
[12:52] <Kano> you dont need 2.6.3 kernel module
[12:52] <Kano> the one from 2.6.20 is ok
[12:53] <Kano> therefore i would go over to cvs
[12:54] <Kano> btw. do you need a script to convert your fstab to uuid?
[12:58] <Kano> i worte that lately
[12:58] <ogra_> Kano, there are tons of filesys5tems using fuse ... i'd only go with cvs if it's guaranteed that nothing else breaks ...
[12:59] <givr1> Kano: i don't see any change related to uuid added since 2.6.3 in cvs
[12:59] <Kano> givr1: it is not diretly for uuid, it is a generic fix
[01:00] <Kano> can you mount a partiton by uuid?
[01:30] <ScottK> I'd appreciate it if someone would take a look at my patch for Bug #85444
[01:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85444 in python-dns "Multiple Upstream Python-DNS Bugs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85444
[01:34] <Gabrielote> sorry...
[01:34] <Gabrielote> how to build a package?!?1
[01:36] <DarkMageZ> Gabrielote, http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html might be useful :)
[01:36] <Gabrielote> o thanks
[01:36] <Gabrielote> i'll read it
[01:44] <geser> ScottK: are the patches for the  windows bugs needed on Ubuntu? I'm just curious
[01:45] <ScottK> Not needed, but the library is effectively unmaintained upstream at the moment (working on that) and so thought it would be nice to have a place where the most fixed version lives.
[01:45] <ScottK> I did it in the interest of making open source software better...
[01:46] <geser> ok, have read the bug now completely :)
[01:47] <crimsun> (upon my suggestion)
[01:47] <crimsun> doesn't make any sense to exclude them if we're not dealing with SRU/security errata
[01:47] <geser> ScottK: for the future: set the maintainer field according to the DebianMaintainerSpec
[01:48] <geser> I'll do this before uploading, no need to create a new debdiff
[01:48] <ScottK> Ah.  I forgot we had that resolved.  Will do.
[01:48] <ScottK> Thanks.
[01:48] <geser> the current dpkg-buildpackage doesn't let you build a source package with ubuntu changes and a wrong maintainer anymore
[01:50] <ScottK> I see the update sitting there, so I expect it won't come up again. 
[01:53] <Gabrielote> please can you make a package for me!?
[01:53] <geser> ScottK: uploaded
[01:54] <Gabrielote> because i don't understand...
[01:54] <ScottK> Thanks.
[01:54] <Gabrielote> i have the folder that i have to build
[01:54] <Gabrielote> please....
[01:55] <ScottK> What are you trying to package?
[01:55] <Gabrielote> i have a folder that i have to package to configure my modem
[01:56] <ScottK> Why do you think you need to do that?
[01:57] <Gabrielote> because i'm doing steps of a howto for package...
[01:58] <ScottK> Where is the how to?
[01:59] <Gabrielote> it's a text file
[01:59] <Gabrielote> i'm sendind a part of it
[01:59] <Gabrielote> THE SCRIPT WILL CHECK FOR ALL THE ABOVE AND GIVE YOU AN ERROR MESSAGE IF
[01:59] <Gabrielote> #    ANYTHING IS MISSING.  ONCE EVERYTHING IS OK, IT WILL UNPACK
[01:59] <Gabrielote> #    conexant_192-1ubuntu-1.tar.gz AND MOVE IT TO modem-hsfpci-0.1/ AND THEN
[01:59] <Gabrielote> #    BUILD THE PACKAGE.  THE PACKAGE WILL BE IN THIS MAIN DIRECTORY.
[01:59] <ScottK> Where did you get this text file?
[02:00] <Fujitsu> Gabrielote, you just need to run that file.
[02:00] <Gabrielote> do you mean the makefile?!
[02:00] <jdong> Gabrielote: are you packaging the Linuxant drivers?
[02:00] <Fujitsu> Gabrielote, run whatever `THE SCRIPT' is.
[02:01] <Gabrielote> i got this file inside the file modem-hsfpci_0.1-0ubuntu1
[02:01] <Gabrielote> yes
[02:02] <Gabrielote> the script?!
[02:02] <jdong> yes, run whatever file had that content
[02:02] <jdong> and I thought they offered debs
[02:04] <Gabrielote> hold on... let me try something
[02:04] <jdong> Gabrielote: tried following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190728?
[02:12] <imbrandon> whoops forum thread urls, time for me to hit the bed, gnight all
[02:14] <jdong> imbrandon: pfft :D
[02:14] <jdong> I love you too......
[02:48] <Kano> is there a mc user?
[03:01] <Gabrielote> hi people
[03:01] <Gabrielote> i'm back again
[03:01] <Gabrielote> here's the thing
[03:02] <Gabrielote> i installed the modem driver sucessfully
[03:02] <Gabrielote> well... at least i guess... but i'm heaving some problems with the GNOME PPP conection... whe i try to Auto-Detect my modem driver it says that the driver doesnt exist... does anyone knows what should i do?
[03:03] <ScottK> Gabrielote: You should probably ask in #ubuntu
[03:05] <Gabrielote> ohh ok
[03:05] <Gabrielote> sorry =O)
[03:58] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:00] <ScottK> Heya bddebian.
[04:00] <bddebian> Hi ScottK
[05:20] <ScottK> What tool would people recommend for unpacking a .rpm file?  I'm not trying to install it, just open it up so I can get a file out of it.
[05:20] <azeem> ScottK: rpm
[05:20] <ScottK> OK.  Makes sense.  Thanks.
[05:20] <azeem> there's also some rpm2cpio util or something, I think
[05:21] <ScottK> Thanks.  Looking now.
[05:26] <daviey> ScottK, once the package rpm is installed you can use file roller / archive manager
[05:48] <shawarma> ScottK: You misunderstood. When the package "rpm" is installed, you can use file roller to inspect an rpm file.
[05:49] <ScottK> Ahh.  Thanks.
[05:49] <shawarma> np
[05:55] <Adri2000> hi :)
[05:56] <Adri2000> can someone explain me this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/griffith/+bug/85441 ? :/
[05:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85441 in griffith "Please sync griffith 0.9.1-1 (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Fix released]  
[06:04] <geser> Adri2000: you might want to ask seb128 about it
[06:21] <Zic_> I have a question => In Feisty, their is a package named ubuntu-restricted-extras ... But for Kubuntu, their no equality ... It's planed ?
[06:22] <Zic_> because ubuntu-restricted-extras is link to gstreamer (and not xine)
[08:09] <LaserJock> boy, is it hoppin' in here or what? :-)
[08:11] <ajmitch> morning!
[08:14] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I got my MIR approved and it's already seeded \o/
[08:14] <ajmitch> yay!
[08:14] <LaserJock> sweet
[08:16] <tepsipakki> ajmitch: whoa, authtool!
[08:17] <ajmitch> yeah, now I'll upload the tons of fixes it needs
[08:17] <tepsipakki> haha
[08:17] <Adri2000> dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address
[08:18] <Adri2000> XSBC that's it?
[08:18] <LaserJock> Adri2000: what do you mean?
[08:18] <Adri2000> XSBC-Original-Maintainer
[08:19] <LaserJock> put the current Maintainer as that, and put Maintainer: Ubuntu Universe Maintainers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>
[08:19] <geser> yes
[08:20] <Adri2000> LaserJock: I thought it was Ubuntu MOTU Developers
[08:20] <ajmitch> that field is going to get so annoying
[08:20] <LaserJock> yep
[08:20] <LaserJock> I thought they were going to automate it
[08:21] <LaserJock> I'm not sure what happened there
[08:21] <geser> not for source packages
[08:21] <lucas> window list
[08:21] <LaserJock> mdz was going to have somebody do it
[08:21] <lucas> oops
[08:21] <geser> Adri2000: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>
[08:22] <LaserJock> oops
[08:22] <LaserJock> I put in Maintainers last night
[08:22] <Adri2000> okay
[08:22] <LaserJock> we should edit the wiki page for that
[08:25] <Adri2000> the LP team associated with this email is https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-motu maybe it'd be better if it was ubuntu-dev (the real motu team)
[08:26] <LaserJock> does it matter?
[08:26] <ajmitch> yes
[08:26] <ajmitch> :)
[08:26] <LaserJock> I suppose, I just can't imagine a situation where it really would
[08:27] <Adri2000> yes, because LP says the maintainer for these packages is MOTU-Media, link to ~ubuntu-motu
[08:27] <LaserJock> what?
[08:27] <Adri2000> example: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gem
[08:28] <Adri2000> the name of the ubuntu-motu team is currently MOTU-Media...
[08:28] <LaserJock> what the ....
[08:28] <LaserJock> why would it link to ~ubuntu-motu
[08:29] <LaserJock> ubuntu-motu isn't even a real team
[08:29] <Adri2000> because ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com I guess
[08:29] <ajmitch> since I'm sure we used 'motu' as the team name
[08:30] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:30] <LaserJock> we have ~motu and ~ubuntu-dev
[08:30] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/~motu
[08:30] <Adri2000> the ubuntu-motu team was created automatically when a package with Maintainer: *ubuntu-motu*@... has been imported
[08:30] <Adri2000> I think...
[08:30] <LaserJock> and motumedia is the MOTU Media LP id
[08:31] <ajmitch> yep
[08:32] <Adri2000> read https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-motu : "when the mythplugins package was imported into Dapper", and then apt-cache showsrc mythplugins:
[08:32] <Adri2000> Maintainer: MOTU-Media <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>
[08:32] <Adri2000> that's all
[08:32] <ajmitch> heh
[08:32] <ajmitch> or this: https://launchpad.net/~pkg-zope-developers
[08:34] <Adri2000> so LaserJock, you should ask an LP admin to associate the ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com email with the ubuntu-dev team
[08:41] <geser> shawarma: are you going to merge spamassassin?
[08:42] <shawarma> geser: I can, but if you want to, go right ahead. :-)
[08:43] <LaserJock> ajmitch: could we use a separate address for that?
[08:43] <LaserJock> ubuntu-motu-discuss ;-)
[08:43] <ajmitch> means getting another list
[08:44] <LaserJock> I just don't want to have ubuntu-motu spammed :-)
[08:45] <Adri2000> LaserJock: binary packages have already ubuntu-motu@l.u.c as maintainer, so I don't think it will change anything
[08:45] <geser> shawarma: ok, I will do the merge
[08:46] <LaserJock> :(
[08:46] <LaserJock> stupid Debian ;-)
[08:46] <LaserJock> stupid LP
[08:52] <bddebian> stupid bddebian
[08:55] <LaserJock> so I wonder what happend to the Main packages
[08:57] <LaserJock> I also wonder MOTU Science
[08:57] <LaserJock> should it be listed as maintianer on science packages?
[09:19] <Marsmensch> has herd 4 already bean released? 
[09:20] <lionel> Marsmensch: yep
[09:21] <Marsmensch> :-D where to get? here it isn't linked: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[09:21] <lionel> Marsmensch: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd-4/
[09:21] <Marsmensch> thx
[09:22] <geser> Marsmensch: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/herd4
[10:19] <gnomefreak> feisty-security only opens after relase right?
[10:19] <keescook> gnomefreak: correct
[10:20] <gnomefreak> cool ty
[10:20] <keescook> np.  :)
[10:21] <_ion> seveas: Hi. Do i remember right, are you the owner/programmer of Ubugtu?
[10:21] <Seveas> yes
[10:21] <Seveas> _ion, they're one of my worst projects ever :)
[10:22] <daviey> Seveas, one of your most addictive - i'm sure
[10:22] <_ion> seveas: A feature idea: #ubuntu-changes, on which the bot would list the accepted packages in realtime-ish. (Please excuse my ignorance if such a channel exists already) :-)
[10:22] <Seveas> daviey, not really
[10:22] <_ion> (as in e.g. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2007-February/date.html)
[10:23] <Seveas> _ion, that's quite useless since that info can be grabbed via email and rss as well and the links it generates are all 404 due to launchpad being slow in publishing the source after uploading
[10:25] <_ion> Oh well, i guess i have to setup a RSS reader. :-) I don't like using email for passing things i don't want to keep.
[10:25] <Seveas> heh
[10:25] <daviey> _ion, i use a bathroom for passing things i don't want to keep ;)
[10:26] <_ion> Yeah, bathroom is definitely better than email for that.
[10:26] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[10:26] <Seveas> hey TheMuso 
[10:27] <Seveas> _ion, liferea is a nice rss reader 
[10:28] <Seveas> you could read planet ubuntu with it as well, and the fridge, and ubuntu security notices :)
[10:29] <Seveas> liferea in feisty is nice
[10:29] <_ion> I want one that keeps fetching the feeds even when my desktop box isn't on, and synchronizes what i've already read between the computers. I probably should look at Google Reader or whatever it's called.
[10:29] <Seveas> I upgraded yesterday :)
[10:29] <Seveas> _ion, yeah, google reader or your own planet install
[10:34] <Nafallo> _ion: centericq supports RSS I think :-)
[10:35] <_ion> The Google Reader interface actually looks quite nice.
[10:36] <_ion> And i don't need to run Yet Another piece of software with this amount of RAM.
[10:36] <gnomefreak> arnt mian devels members automaticly?
[10:36] <Nafallo> baah. centericq in a screen, and handles IM as well :-)
[10:37] <Nafallo> on a server or something ofcourse ;-)
[11:23] <Lutin> TheMuso: around ?
[11:26] <TheMuso> Lutin: Yeah.
[11:26] <Lutin> TheMuso: do you know what happened to purrr ? I can't find it in the queue nor in the archive, and I got no mail telling it's been rejected
[11:29] <TheMuso> Lutin: I don't know. I haven't received anything to state that it was rejected.
[11:29] <TheMuso> Only the upload accept which I posted to the list.
[11:31] <Lutin> TheMuso: ok, thanks
[11:50] <geser> Lutin: according to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue?queue_state=4&queue_text=pur it got rejected
[11:52] <Lutin> geser: ok, thanks.
[11:53] <geser> but I can't tell you why
[11:55] <Lutin> I can't either, didn't get any mail :/
[11:56] <Lutin> ScottK: spam folder == /dev/null :)
[11:57] <ScottK> Ah.  Well that makes it a little tough to check....
[11:58] <Lutin> indeed. TheMuso : no email either ?
[12:00] <TheMuso> Lutin: no
[12:02] <Adri2000> ahah, the XP CD key
[12:05] <lionel> :)
[12:05] <lionel> How we should manage Maintainer field in packages in REVU ?