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nalioth<sigh>01:14
maxamillion?01:14
nalioth #ubuntu01:15
maxamillionah yes, the zoo01:15
LjLouch01:15
LjLi knew i shouldn't have gone to smoke just after i'd been highlighted by a kline01:15
maxamillionits always so crazy in there ...01:15
maxamillionLjL: lol01:15
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effie_jayxlol @the zoo01:20
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Seveasnalioth, prod01:33
naliothSeveas: poke01:34
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Seveasnalioth, can you please give mruiz level 10 access in #ubuntu-cl01:34
naliothSeveas: added01:34
Seveasgracias01:35
LjLHobbsee, can your router still be crashed by the exploit?01:35
HobbseeLjL: the router doesnt crash - it just boots me off freenode.01:36
HobbseeLjL: i'm running the same router, iirc, yes01:36
LjLHobbsee: ok (well, even that wasn't entirely clear to me, whether it was a full disconnect, or just IRC) - could you connect a clone to 6667? i wanted to do a couple of experiments. there are some flavors of the exploit that seem to work on some people and not on others01:37
Kamping_Kaiserhi Hobbsee01:37
Hobbseeah, yeah, should do01:37
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PriceChildHobbsee, ^^^01:47
LjLan accident :)01:47
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Kamping_Kaiserlol01:48
Kamping_Kaiserone less router for LjL to test on ;)01:48
HobbseePriceChild: yeah, i know01:50
Hobbseei'ts unbanned01:50
PriceChildFor now... ;)01:50
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nixternalhrmm, ubotu seems to have left #ubuntu-chicago, any ideas?02:32
naliothubotu is stressed02:33
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about is stressed - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:33
nalioth!botsnack02:33
ubotuYum!02:33
nixternalheh02:33
nalioththe software can't scale with all the channels and such, nixternal02:33
nixternallovely02:34
naliothsevea s has been having trouble with the bots overloading lately02:34
naliothwe can see about putting ubotwo in there02:34
nixternalas long as he will provide me info so I don't have to spam the main channels for it02:35
naliothnixternal: is ubotwo present?02:36
nixternalhe is now :) thanks nalioth02:36
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Mezyou should have more than one bot02:59
Mezlike CIA-XX02:59
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naliothbots sighted03:01
Hobbseerun multiple bots off one config file...03:01
Hobbseeoh wait, too03:01
Hobbsee*two03:01
Hobbseenalioth: if you know they're bots out to hurt hte network, why not just kline them now before they attack?03:02
naliothHobbsee: we just klined 400+03:02
Hobbseenalioth: nice :)03:03
naliothsome may break through03:03
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Hobbseethat's impressive03:03
Hobbseenalioth: how do you know they're coming?03:03
Hobbseehey Jucato!03:03
naliothHobbsee: not all the staff is as dumb as me (network and scripting wise)03:04
Hobbseenalioth: well, if you're being considered as dumb, then i hate to think what the rest of us are!03:04
nalioththe rest of the staff makes me look kinda dim03:04
Jucatohi Hobbsee!!03:05
Hobbsee:)03:06
ubotuIn ubotu, bimberi said: otherhelp is <reply> If no-one here can help you you can try the ubuntu-users mailing list - https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users or the forums - http://ubuntuforums.org03:07
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Hobbsee!otherhelp is <reply> If no-one here can help you you can try the ubuntu-users mailing list - https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users or the forums - http://ubuntuforums.org03:07
ubotuI'll remember that, Hobbsee03:07
bimberithanks Hobbsee03:08
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Hobbseebimberi: :)03:08
Hobbseebimberi: yes, would have thought you were already known03:08
mneptok!dianaross is <reply>touch \me in the moooooooooooooooooorniiiiiiiiiiiiiiing!03:08
ubotuIn #ubuntu-ops, mneptok said: !dianaross is <reply>touch \me in the moooooooooooooooooorniiiiiiiiiiiiiiing!03:08
mneptokbah.03:09
bimberi@now montreal03:09
Mez@addeditor mneptok03:09
UbugtuCurrent time in America/Montreal: February 15 2007, 21:09:47 - Next meeting: Xubuntu in 1 day03:09
Mez@editors03:09
Hobbseenalioth: [13:07]  --> Thrallie has joined this channel (n=thrall@ip68-8-190-25.sd.sd.cox.net). if you didnt see it, is a spammer03:10
Jucato!editors03:10
ubotuText Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code03:10
Hobbsee@editors03:10
Jucatohm...03:10
naliothHobbsee: i'm on it03:10
Hobbseecool :)03:10
bimberii guess commands like 'editors' and 'addeditor' only work in /query03:12
Mez%editors03:13
ubotuSeveas, gnomefreak, apokryphos, thoreauputic, Hobbsee, bimberi, nalioth, Madpilot, LjL, Riddell, imbrandon, uniq, spec, LaserJock, mez, Jucato, trappist, Hawkwind, abattoir, zorglu_, tonyyarusso, elkbuntu, ompaul, PriceChild03:13
Mez%addeditor mneptok03:13
Jucatoah there :P03:13
ubotuOK03:13
Mez%editors03:13
ubotuSeveas, gnomefreak, apokryphos, thoreauputic, Hobbsee, bimberi, nalioth, Madpilot, LjL, Riddell, imbrandon, uniq, spec, LaserJock, mez, Jucato, trappist, Hawkwind, abattoir, zorglu_, tonyyarusso, elkbuntu, ompaul, PriceChild, mneptok03:13
Meznow, behave mneptok03:13
bimberiah :)03:13
Hobbsee@lart 28 Mez03:13
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Hobbseebimberi: i wish they did03:13
MezHobbsee, why are you pointy?03:14
Jucatolol03:14
HobbseeMez: i'm *not* pointy.03:14
naliothtsmithe: you still about?03:14
tsmitheyes03:14
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Mez* Ubugtu thwacks Mez with a BIG POINTY HOBBS OF DOOM03:14
Jucato Ubugtu thwacks Mez with a BIG POINTY HOBBS?? OF DOOM <--- Ubugtu says you are03:14
tsmithenalioth, i think i pissed the arch people off cos i had a question about arch, joined the channel, asked, they called me a noob, i showed my l337 skills and that put them off me and ubuntu03:15
HobbseeJucato: ubuntu is wrong03:15
tsmithealthough i tried to get ubuntu out of the conversation as much as possible03:15
Jucato:P03:15
Mez tsmithe what did you do?03:15
tsmithelooks like they weren't listening03:15
tsmitheMez, just asked a question about hal03:15
naliothtsmithe: care to be an ubuntu ambassador there?  (try not to get eaten)03:15
tsmithenalioth, urghm ok03:15
MezHobbsee, whats wrong with ubuntu? why is ubuntu wrong?03:15
bimberiooh, pedantry03:16
bimberi:)03:16
JucatoMez: I think pointy Hobbsee meant ubugtu :D03:16
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HobbseeMez: er, ubugtu :P03:16
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Jucatoheh Mez was the first to notice it. I can't take the credit03:16
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Hobbseeawww03:17
Jucatolol03:17
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naliothyou boys better run, she was going for four at once03:17
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Meznalioth, can we get a kline, theres a random mad woman going round abusing her ops03:17
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Hobbseeheh03:18
Jucatorandom man pointy woman03:18
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Mez@lart 28 Hobbsee03:18
JucatoHobbsee: better tell that to Ubugtu :D03:18
tsmitheHobbsee, Ubugtu diagrees03:18
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Jucatoroflmao03:18
HobbseeUBUGTU IS WRONG!03:18
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tsmithemrgh03:19
Jucatowhen you wake up in the morning and this is one of the first things you do... you're gonna laugh like crazy too03:19
Hobbsee[13:18]  <tsmithe> uhoh03:19
Hobbsee[13:18]  *** You set a ban on bugtu!*@*.03:19
Hobbsee[13:18]  <tsmithe> phew03:19
Hobbsee[13:18]  <xtknight> bah everyone should just convert to digital or hd03:19
Hobbsee[13:18]  *** You set a ban on *!*@ubuntu/member/tsmithe.03:19
Hobbsee[13:18]  *** You have kicked tsmithe from the channel (you thought you were in luck...).03:19
Mez@lart change 28 thwacks Hobbsee with a BIG POINTY HOBBS OF DOOM  03:19
tsmithe!paste > Hobbsee03:19
tsmithethat was probably a bad idea...03:19
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Mezaw darn03:20
tsmithe:(can't decide which smiley to make)03:20
Hobbsee@delete lart 2803:20
MezI don have access to edit larts03:20
Hobbsee@lart delete 2803:20
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tsmithehaha03:20
Hobbseeme neither, i dotn think03:20
Hobbsee@lart remove 2803:20
tsmithe@join #ubuntu-offtopic03:20
Hobbsee@whoami03:20
UbugtuI don't recognize you.03:20
tsmitheoops03:20
Mez@lart 28 Hobbsee03:20
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Mez@lart change 28 thwacks $who with a HUGE POINTY HOBBS OF DOOM03:20
Mezah03:21
tsmithenalioth, i think i have to leave #archlinux03:21
Hobbseeer, why doesnt it want to identify me?03:21
naliothtsmithe: are they munching at your heels?03:21
Mez@lart change 28 /HOBBSEE/HOBBSEE/03:21
Mez@lart change 28 s/HOBBSEE/HOBBSEE/03:21
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Mez You don't have the #,op capability.03:21
Mez@(03:21
tsmithe<n0yd> hahaha, my edit is still on this article, http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu03:22
tsmithe<n0yd> Thrallie: The logo at the top left ;) <n0yd> Thrallie: no, www.jewbuntu.com03:22
tsmithe<_pi> Faust-C, Well that's a stupidity thing.03:22
tsmithe<Thrallie> I just put a link of that picture in #kubuntu03:22
tsmithe<_pi> *buntu should die.,03:22
tsmitheetc etc03:22
tsmitheit goes on and on03:22
tsmithe:S03:22
Meztsmithe, what channel?03:22
tsmitheguess...03:22
tsmithe#archlinux03:22
tsmitheoops03:23
JucatoHobbsee: mailing list...03:23
tsmitheMez, are you sure??03:23
Meznalioth, not warned Thrallie about spam?03:23
Meztsmithe, am i sure what03:23
tsmitheMez, *sigh* we'll get clubbed to death03:23
tsmithei stuck up for myself, so i'm ok, i think03:23
HobbseeJucato: yes, but it should recognise my hostname03:24
Hobbsee%whoami03:24
ubotuHobbsee03:24
Hobbseeit's just Ubugtu that doesnt03:24
tsmithe%whoami03:24
ubotuI don't recognize you.03:24
tsmithepah03:24
tsmithe@whoami03:24
UbugtuI don't recognize you.03:24
tsmithebah03:24
tsmithe@whoami03:25
Ubugtutsmithe03:25
tsmithewooo!03:25
Hobbseehrm03:25
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Jucato@whoami03:26
UbugtuI don't recognize you.03:26
Jucato%whoami03:26
ubotuI don't recognize you.03:26
Jucatowth?03:26
tsmithehehehe03:26
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tsmithemwa!03:26
Jucatoew...03:27
tsmithe:P03:27
tsmitheUbugtu love me ;)03:27
tsmithe*loves03:27
tsmithe...03:27
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tsmithedon't touch Ubugtu03:32
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Hobbseeyay :)03:37
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effie_jayxis it bug day :D?03:37
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tsmithewoo!03:37
tsmitheMez, i think #archlinux has calmed down a bit now03:42
Meztsmithe, I have a calming influence :D03:43
tsmitheobviously :P03:43
Meztsmithe, hehe03:43
tsmithe@lart  Mez03:43
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tsmitheMez, Ubugtu disgrees03:44
MezI talk rationally, and dont respond to insults except in a rational manner03:44
tsmithenor I!03:44
Meztsmithe, but do you have a qualification in hostage negotiation ?03:44
tsmithei was very respectful even when being hurled insults at!03:44
tsmitheMez, yes03:44
Meztsmithe, brainbench.com?03:44
tsmithesure, why not03:44
Meztsmithe, thats where I got my qualification :P03:45
tsmithecool03:47
tsmitheas i said, me too03:47
tsmithe_ who's askin'..? _03:47
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plex0rhi05:01
tonyyarussohello05:01
plex0ri was banned from ubuntu05:01
plex0rso i guess i come here05:01
plex0r:)05:01
tonyyarussoah05:02
tonyyarussoa sec05:02
plex0rare you good with ubuntu05:03
tonyyarussodepends what aspect.05:04
plex0r sudo apt-get install gaim05:04
plex0rPassword:05:04
plex0rReading package lists... Done05:04
plex0rSegmentation fault (core dumped)05:04
plex0rhave you ever seen thatA?05:04
tonyyarussoplex0r: Seems you were banned for language, on the third strike.  in most likelihood that will be 24 hours or so.05:04
plex0roh well ill stay here for now then05:05
tonyyarussonope, I havent.  apt went kaplooie.05:05
plex0ram i going to ahve to recompile the kernel05:05
tonyyarussodoubt it05:05
plex0rwell can you ask someone in #ubuntu for me05:05
plex0ri dont know ive never seen that error before05:06
tonyyarussoYou might be better off sending an e-mail to the ML, going to bed, and seeing what's there for you in the morning.05:06
plex0rcool05:06
plex0ri fixed it.05:09
tonyyarussoawesome05:09
plex0rsudo rm -f /var/cache/apt/*.bin05:09
plex0r64 bit installer is very buggy05:11
plex0rheh05:11
plex0rfroze on me 6 timers05:11
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cablesIs there any way to see if a factoid is an alias in ubotu?05:35
cablesLike, which factoids point where?05:35
Amaranth!-nvidiabeta05:37
ubotunvidiabeta is <alias> nvidia9 - added by Amaranth on 2006-10-17 23:26:1705:37
Amaranth!-nvidia905:37
ubotunvidia9 aliases: nvidiabeta - added by Amaranth on 2006-11-22 10:04:2605:37
Amaranth:)05:37
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cablesthank you05:37
ubotuIn ubotu, cables said: alsa-oss is a software package that allows OSS-only applications to use ALSA for sound output. Universe must be enabled. To install: "sudo apt-get install alsa-oss". Use it by running applications requiring it like this: "aoss <appname".05:54
ubotuIn ubotu, cables said: no, sound is <REPLY> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3. For applications th05:57
cablesSorry, my previous ubotu edit got cut off... the rest of it was "For applications that only support OSS, see !alsa-oss.05:58
mneptokprepare my battle ape!06:15
Hobbsee@lart 37 mneptok06:21
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naliothdcc exploiters are getting ready for nighty-night06:25
naliothnot much you can do about it, but ...06:25
Amaranth#ubuntuforums really needs some help06:33
naliothAmaranth: what's up06:34
Amaranthnalioth: full of trolls06:34
naliothof course06:35
naliothbut slowly they are leaving for greener pastures06:35
Amaranth<elcasey> suck my !coc | Amaranth06:35
Amaranthchoice sample06:35
Amaranthbut they only want forums staff as ops06:36
Amaranthtoo bad one of the forums staff is involved06:36
elkbuntuAmaranth, sounds like a good test for the FC06:48
Amaranth <darkmatter> seriously... mods n "regulars" get away with frakin murder06:49
AmaranthGood test for the FC and prove him wrong at the same time.06:49
naliothFC ?06:54
JucatoForums Council06:55
naliothah06:56
naliotha council of their peers just means trolls are at the helm06:56
elkbuntuare you sure it's #ubuntu* and not #*ubuntu*?06:56
naliothelkbuntu: unfortunately, i'm in #ubuntuforums watching it all06:57
elkbuntunalioth, i was just asking for clarification away from their prying eyes06:57
mneptokRELEASE THE BATS!06:59
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Amaranthelkbuntu: I've heard #ubuntu*07:06
elkbuntuAmaranth, i heard everything with ubuntu in it07:06
AmaranthMaybe.07:06
elkbuntunalioth, which is it?07:06
naliothelkbuntu: huh? #ubuntuforums is a troll pit07:06
AmaranthThe funny thing is this whole long train wreck started with me calling !ops to stop a pending Novell/MS flamewar.07:07
elkbuntunalioth, forget ubuntuforums for a sec, this is not the question07:07
Amaranthnalioth: Wasn't when I was an op there. ;)07:07
elkbuntunalioth, question is: Does Seveas have control of #ubuntu* or #*ubuntu*?07:07
naliothelkbuntu: anything #ubuntu-*07:08
naliothand now #ubuntuforums, too07:08
elkbuntubut not easyubuntu or ubuntustudio?07:09
naliothi control easyubuntu (it is not an official Ubuntu project)07:10
Amaranthprobably studio07:10
Amaranthnalioth: people still work on easyubuntu?07:11
naliothand whoever registered #ubuntustudio got it07:11
naliothAmaranth: we do07:11
Amaranthi stopped once i realized it was going automatix07:11
naliothno, we've not gone automatix07:11
elkbuntuAmaranth, easyubuntu is more like automatix done correctly ;)07:16
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Amaranthelkbuntu: I don't trust it on my system.07:16
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elkbuntuwhat other a-words can i think of? :07:17
naliothAmaranth: easyubuntu or automatix? easyubuntu will not mess anything up07:17
Amarantheasyubuntu07:17
AmaranthAnd it's sad that I don't trust it, I designed it.07:17
naliothanyhoo, i hear feisty is getting a built-in easyubuntu crap-o-matix type thing07:18
Amaranthsort of07:19
Amaranthmostly just more metapackages07:19
elkbuntuand easier access to 'trusted third party' stuff07:21
Amaranthuniverse?07:21
Burgundaviamost of the work is the mulitmedia codec stuff07:22
elkbuntuim not sure exactly how it's going to work07:22
Burgundaviawhich is a library from gstreamer with some hooks into the package manager07:22
Burgundaviathe java stuff is already pretty easy07:22
naliothjava is in the repos07:22
Burgundaviayes, and easy to install via g-a-i07:23
elkbuntunalioth, is n4cht a known troll at all? he's being vaguely trollish now07:23
kgoetzdo any of the bots do !seen ?07:37
naliothkgoetz: try it07:37
kgoetz!seen fred07:38
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about seen fred - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:38
kgoetzsuppose thats a no :/07:38
elkbuntukgoetz, use seenserv or /ns info <nick>07:38
kgoetzelkbuntu: thanks07:39
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Amaranth--- [Fred]  idle 96:37:28, signon: Sat Jan 13 01:56:5907:55
Amaranthwow07:55
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mneptokarm the war-kitty!10:22
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elkbuntumneptok, hardly, just send in critical mass kitty10:24
GazzaKmeow10:26
MadpilotAre people being catty?10:29
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Kamping_Kaiserwow. rubbed him up the wrong way10:31
=== mneptok poops on the paper
=== elkbuntu sends ninja kitty on a mission to the land of "between GazzaK's legs"
=== GazzaK poops on mneptok
elkbuntulook kitty, scratching post!10:32
GazzaKeeek10:32
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Madpilotkinky10:32
GazzaKanyways, morning all10:32
=== GazzaK will attempt serious
Madpilotattempt serious? In the same channel as mneptok? Why bother?10:33
elkbuntuMadpilot, some people thrive on challenges, Madpilot10:37
elkbuntuerr10:37
elkbuntusorry for the double nick10:38
MadpilotI'll survive.10:38
GazzaKelkbuntu, I'm sure he won't mind elkbuntu10:38
elkbuntuGazzaK, aww thanks for the support, GazzaK10:38
Kamping_KaiserLongPointyStick, wont notice whats going on, will you LongPointyStick ?10:41
elkbuntuKamping_Kaiser, of course she wont, Kamping_Kaiser10:41
Madpilot@lart 37 the next person who uses double nicks10:42
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Kamping_Kaiserelkbuntu, thats all good then. btw, elkbuntu , the lart37's a bit old now isnt it?10:42
elkbuntuKamping_Kaiser, you havent met the guy, you have no idea how amusing it is to me and for instance, sev10:43
Kamping_Kaiserelkbuntu, true,  i dont10:43
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Seveaselkbuntu, mneptok is cute, don't scare Kamping_Kaiser :)10:55
GazzaKi'd not say no anyway10:56
=== Seveas foo
Seveasyay11:01
Seveasfixed11:01
Seveasxchat was giving m stupid colos in feisty11:02
Seveasand my keyboard doesn't do what I tell it to :)11:02
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GazzaKyou use fingers on a keyboard Seveas stop talking to it11:18
SeveasGazzaK, ahhhhhh!11:19
GazzaKthats the best bit of advice I have given out today...11:19
GazzaKtold a user (at my workplace) to install ubuntu as they had a virus problem11:19
GazzaKand told the office manager that his problem was a "PEBKAC" problem11:20
elkbuntui found out today that one of the other volunteers at the place i do my mutual oblication for welfare, is a bit of a geek and was considering getting a vista machine... so we ended up having a good long talk after hours about what linux is etc. he'd tried suse before because someone installed it for him, but had not figured how to install anything so gave up on it11:22
elkbuntuso, im taking him an ubuntu cd next week tehehe11:22
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Jucato%login11:26
Jucatohm...11:26
=== GazzaK is tempted to get vista, but just because I support windows for my work, and need to know it
elkbuntuwe resisted xp at home until '0411:28
GazzaKI know a place still running win 3.1111:29
elkbuntuand considering theres only 'vista capable' machines in the house, not 'vista ready' machines, it wont happen for quite some time11:29
Kamping_KaiserGazzaK, yay11:30
elkbuntuquite a few of small-medium businesses still run 3.1111:30
elkbuntuin my area, anyway11:30
GazzaKit runs nice, they have had to replace a few machines, so buy second hand machines most people would throw away, since they are too slow for xp, and they run so fast11:31
elkbuntuyeah... you can easily get a p1 for around $25-$3011:33
elkbuntui got my current toy box, a p2 350mhz with 160mb ram (now upgraded to 256) for $8511:34
GazzaKI can get older machines for nothing :-)11:43
GazzaKthe last free machine was a P4 machine, with 256Mb ram11:44
=== Kamping_Kaiser was resisting saying that :P
=== Kamping_Kaiser got an Alpha, with >1 gig of ram
GazzaKa what?11:45
GazzaKalpha???11:45
Kamping_Kaiser... you better be pulling my leg11:46
GazzaKerm, nope11:46
Kamping_Kaiseryes, an alpha. <use your search engine of choise> +digital +alpha +600au11:46
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Kamping_Kaiser2nd hit11:47
GazzaKahhh11:48
Kamping_Kaisermy firmware has usb disabled for some reason, but thats cool with me11:48
=== GazzaK deals mostly with boring HP Compaq Proliants
Kamping_Kaiserah11:48
Kamping_Kaiserproliants are indistructable... and i'v tried11:48
GazzaKme too11:49
GazzaKeven with water11:50
Kamping_Kaiserthat i havent tried11:50
GazzaKiron filings does work11:50
GazzaKand once dusted off, the engineer never knows :p11:51
=== Kamping_Kaiser wondesr if the sparcs are faster or the alpha.
Kamping_Kaiserlol :P11:51
GazzaKI had a machine which had a weird problem, so I iron filing'd it, and then when the engineer came, he had to change most of it for new, which was a free upgrade too, as they did not have the parts for this old model11:52
GazzaKsee, hardware warranty can pay11:52
Kamping_Kaiserheh. i dont think i'v made a warenty claim other then my mobo11:53
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GazzaKI have a AIT tape library which has just been swapped out for a brand new one, again, just as it got near to the end of the warranty11:55
Kamping_Kaiserits nice to hear someone get in just beofre it ends, not just after (what i usually hear)11:55
GazzaKit's all in the planning you see, when I buy new kit, I make a little folder, with the purchase details etc and the spec and in big letters the warranty expiration, I normally try to get a replacement just before11:57
GazzaKthat might be seen as being really naughty, but it works for me :p11:57
Kamping_Kaiseri wont tell your boss ... for a price :P11:57
GazzaKthe art is in making it so they cannot "prove" it failed due to me breaking it on purpose11:57
GazzaKI think my boss thinks it is a very good "co-incidence"11:58
GazzaKand when you pay way too much due to having tied down "approved supplier" lists, then I fail to have sympathy for them11:59
Kamping_Kaiser:|12:01
elkbuntuthat might be fine for you guys, but im nowhere that free machines are available ;)12:05
Kamping_Kaiserelkbuntu, true.... P3 good enough? :)12:07
elkbuntuheh, postage would kill12:07
Kamping_Kaiserpity. i dont think anyones going your way any time soon12:08
elkbuntuplus, if i set up another machine right now, my folks would kill me. this circuit is overloaded enough as it is, it's got the most-used stuff all on the one... which is silly. fridges/freezers on a separate fuse, but fridge, lounge, my bedroom and iirc folks room all on one circuit12:10
Kamping_Kaisereek. thats plain scary12:11
elkbuntuwhich is... 3 computers, tv, stereo, stove, microwave, dishwasher, 3+ rooms worth of lighting & misc small appliances.12:11
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elkbuntuoooh, 2 tvs actually, and where 3 computers = 2 boxes, monitor, multifunction, and usually a laptop as well12:13
elkbuntuand s/but fridge, lounge/but kitchen, lounge/12:14
elkbuntui think i need sleep12:14
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elkbuntuyou're brown-out prone though anyway12:14
Kamping_Kaiserits upstreams fault :(12:15
=== Kamping_Kaiser cant afford the patch either
elkbuntu:(12:15
Kamping_Kaiser:(12:16
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Hobbseemneptok: oh?01:05
Hobbseemneptok: you think you're better than me?  hmmm?01:06
Hobbsee:P01:06
mneptok"Surrender Your Heart" by Missing Persons. made cool because it's all Peter Max animation.01:06
Hobbseeahh01:06
mneptokevery day for the past 11 years ....01:06
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aalhamadi cannot fix it ... plus i cannot join ubuntu?02:07
aalhamadplzz help02:07
Hobbsee!exploit | aalhamad02:07
ubotuaalhamad: There are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit02:07
Hobbseeaalhamad: did you change your port to 8001?02:07
aalhamadyes..02:07
Hobbseecool02:08
aalhamadbut stiill did not work02:08
elkbuntuHobbsee, test him?02:08
Hobbseeyes, of course it doesnt.  there's still the ban there.02:08
Hobbseeelkbuntu: just did02:08
aalhamadill try it again and let see..02:08
Hobbseeaalhamad: you should be fine to join now02:08
elkbuntuaalhamad, the ban was for your own protection. we wait to test you before letting you back in to stop bad things happening :)02:08
aalhamadok02:08
aalhamadthanks...02:08
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Hobbseewe seem to have more people than before, too02:09
aalhamadbut why is that? i did not understans..02:09
aalhamadis it for protecting me ? or protecting yourself ..? i didn't get it02:09
Hobbseeaalhamad: because you got hit by the exploit, and exploits that kick you off the network arent good, right?02:09
aalhamadi thought there is something in my router..02:09
Hobbseeaalhamad: for protecting you02:09
elkbuntuaalhamad, protecting you from exploits against your NAT setup02:10
elkbuntuaalhamad, if you're not in a channel when the exploits get done, you wont get affected02:10
Hobbseeaalhamad: there is.  connecting to the non-standard port means that your router doesnt get affected02:10
aalhamadooh.. ic..02:10
aalhamadwell thats good...02:10
aalhamadnew technology ha?02:10
aalhamadnice nice..02:10
elkbuntuwe try to look after our people :)02:10
aalhamadso im fine now?02:11
aalhamadim clear ?02:11
elkbuntuyou should be, yes :)02:11
aalhamadok. :)02:11
aalhamadcool.02:11
aalhamadthanks02:11
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PriceChildaww :)02:13
Seeker`isn't there a way of detecting who is doing it?02:17
Kamping_Kaiserechelon :)02:18
PriceChildSeeker`, Yeah and they get K-lined?02:19
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ikonia_guys - what was all that about please ?02:26
ikonia_Seveas whats with the ban?02:27
Seveasikonia_, this is not the first time you go berserk02:27
Seveasbehave or begone02:27
ikonia_whats wrong with the behaviour - I didn't go beserk - I advised someone to use windows ?02:28
elkbuntu!coc | ikonia_02:28
ubotuikonia_: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/02:28
ikonia_I'm aware of it02:28
ikonia_I /try/ to abide by it where possible02:28
elkbuntuikonia_, that may be, but i am not convinced you know it02:28
ikonia_not at all,02:28
ikonia_if you can englighten me in which way I've broke it02:30
elkbuntuikonia, some guidelines. If a user is docile, just ignore them. If user floods, alert ops rather than flaming.02:30
ikonia_I'm happt to accept critisism02:30
ikonia_I asked the user 3 times to stop flooding ?02:30
ikonia_I advised him to use windows as he didn't want to use any of the interfaces ?02:30
ikonia_in the process - I helped 2 other users fine - no problems02:30
elkbuntuikonia_, you are not the law in #ubuntu, that is the job of the ops. trying to take it into your own hands isnt advisable02:31
ikonia_I wasn't trying to take the lawy into my own hands ?02:31
ikonia_I didn't threaten or warn him02:31
ikonia_I asked him to stop flooding the channelk02:31
elkbuntuikonia_, you decided to ask the user 3 times, rather than seek assistance from someone who could actually rectify the situation02:31
ikonia_as I saw I'm all for ciritisism, and I know I'm to the point02:31
ikonia_elkbuntu fair enough, I'll simpley cry ops02:32
ikonia_s/saw/say02:32
elkbuntutelling a user to go back to windows because they are dumb isnt acceptable either02:33
elkbuntuyou have the benefit of being able to use /ignore02:33
elkbuntuif they piss you off, use it :)02:33
ikonia_ahhhh I said he was too dump after being called a "prick" for advising him on the three options02:33
ikonia_ignore doesn't work as it breaks the flow of the channel up - but I know what your saying02:33
elkbuntuikonia_, insulting, even if as a retaliation, is not CoC02:34
ikonia_no, and I accept that02:34
elkbuntunow, i hope this talk has helped for the future. unfortuantely i cannot do anything about your ban situation, that is up to the banning op to decide.02:35
elkbuntuhowever, it's likely just a 24hr ban, so have some time off and come back tomorrow, ok?02:35
ikonia_so - hang on just let me get this clear in my mind02:35
Kamping_Kaisernight all02:36
elkbuntunight Kamping_Kaiser02:36
Kamping_Kaiser(and only an hour late ;))02:36
Kamping_Kaiser*gone*02:36
ikonia_I spend most of my day helping with the support of the channel, and for making the comment "too dumb" to someone who's being rude /offensive / flooding the channel in admitly wrong retaliation for a personal insult, I get banned for 24 hours ?02:36
elkbuntuikonia_, if we let you get away with it, we'd have to let everyone get away with it, and then that woul dbe a horrid mess :-/02:37
ikonia_I come in here and discuss it with you as an adult, yet the person who I made the comment too, is sat in channel getting all the help they want02:37
ikonia_I don't expect to be got away with it, as I said I'm happy to come and explain my reasons/attitude as an adult02:38
elkbuntuikonia_, well, i would have dealt with him if i had not been talking in here02:38
ikonia_I take on board whats said to me and decide what to do with it02:38
ikonia_surly the person who banned me is still active ?02:38
ikonia_they don't just ban then walk away from the keyboard?02:39
elkbuntuhe was probably on his lunch break, he'd be back at work now02:39
ikonia_I beleive it was sevas02:39
ikonia_seveas I think sorry02:39
elkbuntuyes, and i believe seveas screens in occasionally from work02:39
ikonia_while I accept what we have been talking about, I'm dissapointed that this is the approach02:40
SeveasI'm disappointed that you don't see why I banned you and cannot accept that you were wrong02:40
ikonia_not at all02:40
ikonia_I do02:40
elkbuntuikonia_, we have to be firm, unfortunately. as with everything in life, the minority ruin it for the majority02:40
elkbuntuwe have to be consistant02:40
ikonia_I have a slight difference of opinion on one issue, which I'd love to discuss with you as a request, but other than that I do accept it02:41
ikonia_elkbuntu I don't disagree with consistantcy02:41
mneptokikonia_: name calling is over the line for the CoC, which you admitted. that means that in principle you agree with the ban. what sucks is you got called a "prick" which Seveas (and i) missed. but life is unfair. sometimes thing Suck(r). this may be one of those times, but it ends in 24 hours. and next time, just /join here and *first thing* make someone aware of other non-CoC conduct.02:41
ikonia_Seveas I totally accept that I shoujldn't have made the stupid comment to the user - so yes, I accept that02:42
mneptok(phew)02:42
ikonia_mneptok I totally understand what your saying, but it was more meant as a derogatory comment - rather than an insult (not that changes the conext)02:42
mneptoki really don't want to check 30 minutes of scrool in #ubuntu. but if it was 5 minutes worth? sho'.02:43
ikonia_mneptok not at all, I'm not asking you to check - I more meant you help a guy 3 times and each time the answer is "its too hard" "I can't use the interface" then the flooding for "help" starts again, I meant it as a throw away comment "too stupid to use" not "your too stupid"- not making excuses02:44
ikonia_just trying to explain, I'm not a bad/rude person by natur02:44
mneptokgo hang in -offtopic or a LoCo for a day. it usually turns out that the longer someone presses a case in here, the worse things get for them. it's a troubling statistic. :)02:44
ikonia_as I can't discuss #ubuntu at the moment I'd certainly welcome a short discussion on some of the policy in #ubuntu with you guys ?02:45
ikonia_I'm not pushing anything, I'm happy to drop it02:45
Seveasthen drop it02:45
mneptoki'm not blowing you off. just sayin' ...02:45
elkbuntuikonia, #ubuntu-uk would be your loco judging by the hostmask. there's also the users mailing list to help on02:45
Seveasthe policy in #ubuntu is made by the ops, not 1000+ users02:45
ikonia_Seveas sorry, I wasn't pushing it, I was only dissucssing02:45
ikonia_Seveas I'm not making policy, I'd just appriciate a discussion, perhaps even a little clarity on some things02:46
Seveasikonia_, what's so hard about "drop it"?02:46
mneptokok ... nom i *am* blowing you off. i need nicotine.02:46
mneptok*now02:46
Mezmneptok, kinky02:46
Mezmneptok, can i nick a ciggy cant be bothered to go to shops02:46
elkbuntuikonia, you're not going to hear anything you havent heard already. meanwhile while we're talking here, we cant keep an eye on your troll, who hasnt made a peep since you got booted02:46
mneptokMez: when i'm done sucking that cigarette ...02:47
ikonia_Seveas apologies, I wasn't discussing my own situation, have I offended you as you seem a tad blunt02:47
Mezikonia_, tensions are a little, fraught around here at the moment02:47
ikonia_Mez really, because of me ?02:48
Mezno, in gerneral02:48
Seveasikonia_, because of people like you who think they can improve everything :)02:48
elkbuntuikonia, long story, would take a week to explain02:48
ikonia_Seveas really sorry I wasn't trying to improve anything, I only had a few questions which I'd never really knew the answer to just the rule -02:49
elkbuntuikonia, basically the situation where we gave a mouse a crumb and he asked for a glass of milk02:49
Seveasmneptok, have a cigar - takes more sucking02:49
ikonia_elkbuntu I see02:49
ikonia_(basiclly)02:49
Seveas!guidelines | ikonia_02:49
ubotuikonia_: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines02:49
MezSeveas, The sucking jokes are too easy02:49
Seveasthat should explain things02:49
Meztoo too easy02:49
ikonia_Seveas that explains the rules, I was more looking for your views behind something02:49
mneptokooo! i'm easy!02:49
mneptokooo! me! ME!02:50
Seveasikonia_, why?02:50
ikonia_if you see what I mean, a human take on something rather than a dry line02:50
Mezmneptok, you're making it even easier02:50
ikonia_Seveas just for an opinion really02:50
ikonia_Seveas you learn from other peoples points of view02:50
Seveasmneptok+sucking = a gazillion bad jokes02:50
Mezikonia_, DROP IT02:50
Mez!stop02:50
ubotuNOTICE - Please stop this discussion NOW. See !offtopic for things that are inappropriate to discuss in this channel. Continuing will result in action being taken.02:50
elkbuntuikonia, seveas wrote the rules, so you've already seen his opinion.02:50
ikonia_sorry,02:51
ikonia_my phrasing is terrible, thats not what I meant02:51
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Seveaselkbuntu, well, that was with input from quite a few people02:51
elkbuntuSeveas, of course02:51
mneptokikonia_: softly, as i leave you, i offer this. "Just because you can't see the danger five feet in front of you doesn't mean *it can't see you*."02:51
elkbuntutwas the first wikipage i touched :)02:51
MezTOO MANY JOKES02:51
MezARGH02:51
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ikonia_mneptok an interesing hi-ku (spelling)02:52
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Mez@btlogin07:50
Seveas@Mez08:31
Mez@Seveas08:31
Mezsup?08:31
Seveasnuttin08:31
Seveasworking on some crappy python code :)08:32
Mezlol08:32
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Mezthats kinda scary09:16
MezI just went to login to my new drupal website, and guess what?09:16
MezI typed in "M" and it suggested "Melissa Draper"09:16
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tonyyarussoWhoa.09:17
tonyyarussoWebsites got brains!  Run!09:18
tonyyarussoMez: odd...having trouble sshing into torpor09:21
Mezwhat Username you using?09:21
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tonyyarussotonyyarusso09:21
Mezno, you need to go into control.sourceguru.net09:22
Mezand then setup in your domain an email account, and set that as administrator09:22
Mezit's confusing, I know09:22
Mezbut it's how its done09:22
tonyyarussoI'll look09:23
tonyyarussoMez: Oh, was also wondering - how do I do subdomains if I can't access the Apache config file?09:24
Mezcontrol.sourceguru.net -> your site -> co-domains09:25
Mezput in a new subdomain in there09:25
tonyyarussogotcha09:25
Mezand then use the forward tab to make it use a certain dir for it09:25
tonyyarussoFound the other thing, btw09:25
tonyyarussoMez: The instructions say I should ask whether a database has already been made or if I should make it manually.09:40
Meztonyyarusso, make one ...09:40
Mezsite -> options09:40
tonyyarussothought so09:40
tonyyarussoah09:40
tonyyarussoThis whole control panel thing throws me off significantly.09:41
Mezindeed09:43
tonyyarussoNow, here's an oddity...what's to stop someone from wgetting wp-config.php to see my DB password?09:45
naliothtonyyarusso: it should be in a user-only folder09:47
naliothi.e. "one apache can't read"09:47
tonyyarussonalioth: Right...  The "Just untar it" Wordpress is a different file layout than the .deb version, so I'm pondering how one does that.09:47
naliothit should carry over the perms09:48
tonyyarussonope09:48
naliothwell, make it so09:49
ompaultar xvf whatever.tar09:49
ompauland pray09:49
ompaul:)09:49
ompaulI think if you do a p it keeps permissions - checking man page09:50
ompaulyeap09:50
tonyyarussoaaah, 'k09:50
ompaultar xvfp whatever.tar09:50
tonyyarussodone09:51
tonyyarussowp-config-sample.php is still world readable.  whackos...09:52
tonyyarussoah well, a go-r should do it, eh?09:52
tonyyarussowait, no09:52
ompaulyou want a chmod guide?10:13
tonyyarussoompaul: Well, I understand chmod okay I think, I just don't know which things are trying to access what with what priviledges for this particular application.10:14
ompaulmostly it will run as nobody which is really your objective10:15
ompaul76543210  rwx rw- r-x r-- -wx -w- --x ---10:17
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tonyyarussoThe problem is making the file readable by whatever is needing it (apache?  my user?  mysql?) but not by a visitor trying to access it (via apache?)10:19
naliothtonyyarusso: just make it readably by user10:19
naliothgaah10:20
tonyyarussoThat's probably right, since the other PHP stuff trying to interact with it are owned by my user, so that should work.10:20
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tsmitheSeveas, ping?11:08
Seveastsmithe, ?11:08
tsmithecould you add me to the ubuntumembers team please? thanks ever so much :)11:08
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ompaulI just removed acez for nickspam - after being asked more than once11:18
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tsmithei'm not in #?ubuntu. but watch out for Thrallie11:23
tsmithe"* Thrallie spams all the ubuntu channels11:23
tsmithe<Thrallie> now im going to be banned from ubuntu, kubuntu and maybe xubuntu"11:23
tsmitheit's just said11:23
tsmithe*sad11:23
nalioththrallie has been klined11:23
tsmithei see11:24
tsmithegood :)11:24
Seveastsmithe, why would I add you? :)11:24
tsmitheSeveas, cos i got membership at the last meeting... i thought that was the process, that's all11:25
Seveastsmithe, yeah it is11:25
tsmitheoh11:25
tsmithehehe11:25
tsmitheyou were being sarcastic!11:25
tsmithe:P11:25
tsmitheright?11:26
naliothgnomefreak: you can pull the ban from #kubuntu11:26
naliothgnomefreak: for thrallie11:26
SeveasHello,11:27
SeveasThe membership status of Toby Smithe (tsmithe) in the team Ubuntu11:27
SeveasMembers (ubuntumembers) was changed by Dennis Kaarsemaker (dennis) from11:27
SeveasProposed to Approved.11:27
SeveasComment:11:27
SeveasApproved on feb 13 (sabdfl, mako, elmo)11:27
SeveasRegards,11:27
SeveasThe Launchpad team11:27
tsmithewoo11:27
tsmithethanks, Seveas :)11:27
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ompaulSeveas, what did the bot just add?11:32
ompaul!nvidia11:33
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto11:33
ompauljmm11:33
Seveasompaul, ?11:33
Seveaswhat did the bot just add where?11:34
ompaul<ompaul> !nvidia > gordonjcp  no that would be custom - all there is is is what you have in the message from ubotu11:34
ompaul<ubotu> I'll remember that, ompaul11:34
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ompaul!faaaa11:34
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about faaaa - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:34
Seveasouch11:35
Seveasnot again!11:35
Seveasah no11:35
LjL!search gordon11:35
ubotuFound: nvidia > gordonjcp  no that would be custom - all there11:35
Seveas> only works with a nickname11:35
ompaul!forget nvidia > gordonjcp no that would be custom - all there11:35
ubotuI know nothing about nvidia > gordonjcp no that would be custom - all there yet, ompaul11:35
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Seveasif you have more than a nick, it'll just treat the > as part of the factoid11:35
ompaulahhhhh11:35
ompaulooch11:35
LjL!test > ljl    (ljl, see the private message from Ubotu)11:36
LjLbut this still works11:36
LjLsuppose there has to be no "is"?11:36
Seveasyeah11:36
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ompaul!serach gordon11:55
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about serach gordon - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:55
ompaul!search gordon11:55
ubotuFound: nvidia > gordonjcp  no that would be custom - all there11:55
ompaulhmm how to kill11:55
ompaul!forget  nvidia > gordonjcp  no that would be custom is11:55
ubotuI know nothing about  nvidia > gordonjcp  no that would be custom is yet, ompaul11:55
ompaul!forget  'nvidia > gordonjcp  no that would be custom'11:55
ubotuI know nothing about  'nvidia > gordonjcp  no that would be custom' yet, ompaul11:55
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ompaul!forget  nvidia > gordonjcp  no that would be custom - all there11:56
ubotuI know nothing about  nvidia > gordonjcp  no that would be custom - all there yet, ompaul11:56
ompaul!forget nvidia > gordonjcp  no that would be custom - all there11:56
ubotuI'll forget that, ompaul11:56
maxamillionanyone else had a problem with a user by the name of communist_pope?11:58
ompaulno11:59
naliothmaxamillion: ban him12:00
naliothmaxamillion: where is he now?12:00
maxamillionno no, he stoped when asked ... i was just wondering12:01
ompaulit appears he joined -offtopic12:03
naliothhe's about to be klined12:03
naliothhe's been doing this crap for a couple of days12:03
naliothvisiting multiple channels and stirring crap up12:03
maxamillionoh ... didn't know that12:03
mc44surely he cant stir up the sedate world of -offtopic :)12:04
maxamillionyeah, i logged in and he said ... 16:56 < communist_pope> JOIN OUR COMMUNIST PARTY12:04
nalioththe nick is bad enough to stir stuff up12:05
maxamillionthis much is true ..12:05
GazzaKcan I feed the troll?12:05
mc44GazzaK: only if you want to lose your finders12:06
mc44*fingers12:06
GazzaKawww12:06
GazzaKbut it's friday12:06
maxamillionlol12:07
GazzaKeveryone knows it's troll friday12:07
MadpilotGazzaK, is that a religious holiday?12:16
mc44holy trolly day12:17
GazzaKyeah12:17
GazzaKthats the one12:17
naliothwtf is going on in -offtopic.  i thought color screening was enabled12:22

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