[12:25] hi hi === darrend [n=darren@43-015.adsl.zetnet.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu === darrend_laptop [n=davisond@43-015.adsl.zetnet.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu === BFTD is now known as Tacho|king === Tacho|king is now known as Taco|king === Taco|king is now known as BFTD === prairie_dad [n=dloewi@dloewi81.morris.umn.edu] has left #xubuntu [] === mulljuli [n=mulljuli@CPE000d60cde4f6-CM0011ae91a534.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu === mulljuli [n=mulljuli@CPE000d60cde4f6-CM0011ae91a534.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu === mulljuli [n=mulljuli@CPE000d60cde4f6-CM0011ae91a534.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu === aidanr [n=aidanr@83.147.134.5] has joined #xubuntu === mulljuli [n=mulljuli@CPE000d60cde4f6-CM0011ae91a534.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu === tim [n=tim@host86-133-60-43.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has joined #xubuntu === mulljuli [n=mulljuli@CPE000d60cde4f6-CM0011ae91a534.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu === mulljuli [n=mulljuli@CPE000d60cde4f6-CM0011ae91a534.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu [12:47] what do people usually use to read chm (Windows Help) files on Xubuntu? Seem to have a choice of gnochm or xchm === mulljuli [n=mulljuli@CPE000d60cde4f6-CM0011ae91a534.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu === mulljuli [n=mulljuli@CPE000d60cde4f6-CM0011ae91a534.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu [12:50] way too many dependencies for gnochm...xchm it is then [12:50] :) [12:50] xchm is a NICE app [12:50] (btw) [12:51] it's a comin' === mulljuli [n=mulljuli@CPE000d60cde4f6-CM0011ae91a534.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu === mulljuli [n=mulljuli@CPE000d60cde4f6-CM0011ae91a534.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu [12:52] gets put in the graphics menu though! [12:53] grazie: yeah ... i dunno [12:53] grazie: i would think of it as "office" but that's just me === mulljuli [n=mulljuli@CPE000d60cde4f6-CM0011ae91a534.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu [12:54] mulljuli: hey...what's up? [12:54] bye === chieflobo [n=lobo@135.179.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #xubuntu === mulljuli [n=mulljuli@CPE000d60cde4f6-CM0011ae91a534.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu === mulljuli [n=mulljuli@CPE000d60cde4f6-CM0011ae91a534.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu === mulljuli [n=mulljuli@CPE000d60cde4f6-CM0011ae91a534.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu === mulljuli [n=mulljuli@CPE000d60cde4f6-CM0011ae91a534.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu === Jester45 [n=Jester45@d12-254.rt-bras.wnvl.centurytel.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:01] Jester45: I'm still waiting for this erase to finish with k3b [01:01] how can i remove all config files from removed packages? [01:01] grazie: speed? i got a 30x from my dads work [01:02] Jester45: the cd-rw is only x4 [01:02] 700mb im guessing [01:02] yes [01:02] sorry [01:02] x4 write speed also? or just erase [01:03] always assumed the same speed for both [01:03] they might be [01:04] i think the full erase writes all 0's to the disc [01:04] Jester45: or all 1's ... i think it depends on the software [01:04] seemed much quicker on OS X though [01:04] you think they would make a shortcut in the code for that? like tell the drive write all 0s [01:05] so the program dosent have to keep sending empty data [01:05] i know the disco can only write so fast but it seems easier [01:06] i think I'm going to have to setup network booting or die (it's so boring waiting) === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #xubuntu [01:07] lol [01:07] seems that thats a good choice [01:07] or ... usb if possible [01:07] knoppix wasn't a good choice idea me thinks === totalwor1age [n=worm@flits102-83.flits.rug.nl] has joined #xubuntu === neozen [n=neozen@wireless-224-115.wireless-vpn.depaul.edu] has joined #xubuntu [01:08] usb is slow though usn't it...never tried myself [01:08] slow for what? [01:09] (and hi) [01:09] neozen: hello [01:09] neozen: hi === totalwor1age is now known as totalwormage [01:09] grazie: knoppix is a good choice always, just be sure to choose something other than kde at boot ;P [01:09] ......and at any other time for that matter === neozen tends to run away from kde [01:09] neozen: amen my friend, amen [01:10] maxamillion: only used it for k3n (this time) === neozen smiles === maxamillion runs from anything written in Qt (accept the HP-toolkit because there isn't an alternative) [01:10] neozen: amen [01:11] usb is slow for writing iso images to and booting from...no? [01:12] grazie, I find USB to be pretty fast as long as its 2.0 [01:12] but firewire is faster [01:13] circuit board is faster [01:13] hehe [01:13] firewire isnt a Universal [01:13] BFTD: Oh absolutely....but I'm a mac kinda guy [01:13] BFTD: firewire-800 is faster, but i challenge you to find a device that uses it .... firewire-400 transfers at 400mb/s and usb2.0 transfers at 420mb/s [01:13] grazie, they don't have firewire's on macs? [01:14] maxamillion, true true [01:14] BFTD: Mac's have had firewire for donkeys years! [01:14] grazie: its not "slow" but that's all an opinion ... i think usb pen drive would actually boot faster than a cd-rom, but i could be wrong [01:15] maxamillion, your right, I have puppy on a flashdrive and it boots up 3X faster then a CD [01:15] BFTD: but no cheap portable fw device yet that I know of [01:15] BFTD: but no usb2 on my Mac [01:15] BFTD: w00t! .... i love being right [01:16] grazie: it a g3? [01:16] g4 [01:16] grazie: no usb2.0 on a g4? [01:16] interesting [01:16] whats usb 1 ? 80mb/s [01:16] haha [01:16] grazie: wait ... why you getting knoppix if you are on ppc? [01:16] USB1 is like 6MB/s [01:16] prolly get a card...but not thought about looking...until now [01:17] used knoppix on x86 machine [01:17] usb drives will boot faster becuase they dont search on a disc or data and the transfer rates are about the same [01:18] USB1 will do 1.5Mbps "low-speed" and 12Mbps "full-speed" [01:18] grazie: ah, ok === maxamillion is sad that ubuntu is dropping powerpc [01:18] k3b appears to have hung...defeated - I'm going to have to boot XP and use Nero :( .... I did try === Jester45 is happy more time devoted to xubuntu and x86 [01:18] maxamillion, wait Mbps? [01:18] especially with the new 64-bit dual core powerpc chip that is faster than the intel core2 and uses less energy per clock [01:19] maxamillion: not as sad as me! [01:19] BFTD: mega-bit per secong [01:19] second* [01:19] BFTD: megabytes per second [01:19] yea [01:19] what he said [01:19] grazie: i actually got rid of my iBookG4 to pay for text books [01:19] maxamillion, I know what it is, but thats super slow...like 1200 KB/s [01:19] Jester45: no, Mega-Bit ... not byte [01:19] 1 byte = 8 bits [01:19] yea i know [01:19] l [01:20] ..max: they are? [01:20] like internet connection speed === Laibsch [n=Laibsch@p4020-ipbf2103marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #xubuntu [01:20] grazie: all you want is a burning program right? [01:20] BFTD: thats more of 1800kb/s ish [01:20] BFTD: yeah .... usb1 was mainly made to replace parallel ports and it is faster [01:20] grazie: sudo aptitude install graveman [01:21] WAY faster than parallel === BFTD is testing it out [01:21] neozen: a 100% reliable burning prog yes [01:21] I've had great luck w/ that one [01:21] ...runs very fast [01:21] ....there's a few issues w/ it... (disk sizes might be reported improperly) [01:21] ah [01:21] well [01:21] neozen: yeah, they said it will become "community driven" but no longer "officially supported" which is STUPID because big business with big servers run IBM POWER series processors or Xserver G5s ... etc === neozen nods [01:21] USB 1.1 is coping stuff at about 1200 KB/s [01:22] USB 2.0 is doing it at about 18 MB/s [01:22] neozen: got graveman...i like it a lot....I recommend it!....but having bother erasing/writing cd-rw [01:23] ...and all of us people who have a few decrepit macs around who want an OS we can _understand_ will be out of luck I suppose [01:23] how do i make the output of a comamnd the input of a 2nd command [01:23] I keep a quadra 800 in the corner [01:23] | [01:23] jester use pipe [01:23] neozen: no, they will just have to run debian ;) [01:23] example please? [01:23] command1 | command2 [01:24] thnks im now [01:24] neozen: gentoo is great...if you don't mind compiling everthing from source...and a lot of waiting! [01:24] heh [01:24] I have lots of older hardware [01:24] ...no gentoo [01:24] ........ [01:25] anyone mess w/ fedoracore6? [01:25] I'm on FC6 [01:25] how's the learning curve going from ubuntu? [01:26] (last redhat product I messed with was RedHat 5.2 ::shudders) [01:26] .....*xubuntu [01:26] neozen: you don't want FC on a Mac [01:26] no [01:27] this will be on a somewhat modern dell [01:27] 1.5ghz processor [01:27] 512 ram [01:27] ati card [01:27] do like fc really, but if I did it seems load more hassle installing === neozen nods [01:28] s/do/don't/ [01:28] yeah... since I'm going to be using the box as a server [01:28] main focus is security [01:28] k [01:29] w/ usability a VERY close second [01:29] s/usability/ease of install, recovery, administration/ [01:29] neozen: you putting a gui on a server? [01:29] lol [01:29] possibly [01:29] tut tut [01:30] ....if for no other reason then to learn how things are done w/in redhad [01:30] *redhat [01:30] yes... I know gui on a server is moronic [01:30] ...but it will be a personal server [01:30] neozen: wait, you want a secure personal server with a GUI? [01:31] kinda oxymoronic isn't it [01:31] neozen: not at all, i run Xubuntu desktop install with apache and such installed ontop of it at the test server here in the office === neozen nods [01:31] thing is... I already know xubuntu [01:31] i have a gui server [01:31] ...I don't know redhat [01:31] .....and think I should [01:32] its easier for me to turn on x and the moniter to do stuff with it [01:32] neozen: we use fedora core, ubuntu, debian, and suse as production servers (i am a student sys tech at an university so depending were you are depends on what distro the admin chose) [01:32] considering how widespread its usage is in the professional area === neozen nods [01:32] then turn x off and its high preformance again [01:32] heh [01:33] maxamillion: what uni? country? [01:33] my uni is way too attached to microsoft [01:33] neozen: fedora core is the main web server, the digital repository for the library is suse, the test server i setup is xubuntu, over in the digital forensics department they have a blade setup with different blades running a combo of fc, suse, ubuntu, and debian [01:33] Jester45: USA ... SHSU in Texas [01:33] Jester45: www.shsu.edu [01:34] too far for me to go there [01:34] Jester45: that's the home page... that runs on a fc6 box [01:34] heh [01:34] im going to go to SEMO southeastmissouri [01:34] lol [01:35] I'm @ DePaul in chicago [01:35] lol? [01:35] is that the art school? [01:35] (seems fun to say) [01:35] ...heh [01:35] well they do have a large art dept [01:35] semo? funny [01:36] and a notoriously strict theatre school [01:36] ...but a very excellent comp sci program as well [01:36] our main admin over the whole campus won some hacking thing at DefCon 2 years in a row, i wish the guy taught classes .... he's a mad man, but our network is locked down :) [01:36] ...once you find the decent prof's that it [01:36] *is [01:38] my university isn't extremely well known for comp sci, but there are 2 profs here who are and i have taken every class from them that i can [01:38] i think its like that at most State universities === neozen nods [01:39] i might go to a committy college first for the basic stuff to save money then go to SEMO [01:39] they have to employ a couple well known ones to get grants and such but then they need to fill a staff roster too [01:39] atleast that is my take on it ... i could be wrong [01:39] actually ... lets move this to #xubuntu-offtopic if we could please [01:41] heh [01:42] no worries... [01:42] I'm just killing time w/ conversation until someone comes in and asks for help w/ something I know about === maxamillion waits for people to join #xubuntu-offtopic so he can continue chatting .... [01:42] neozen: me too :) [01:43] neozen: but technically i am supposed to keep the channel "on topic" [01:43] I hear you === neozen pokes @ gaim [01:43] lol [01:43] but at the same time i'm not going to run around banning everyone who talks off topic in here because we don't have enough traffic to justify it [01:45] OMG [01:45] ? [01:45] thats what i told somerville [01:45] he banned me for offtopic chat [01:45] theres only 75 people and 4 of the them are active in here [01:45] if somone comes in i try to help [01:45] Jester45: well if it was during a busy time of day and there was someone requesting help, i would ban as well [01:45] and if traffic starts up i will talk in offtopic [01:45] .....here's a question [01:46] neozen: shoot [01:46] im in there now but nobody talks there they talk in here [01:46] ...more general linux stuff but..... today linux froze ... hard.... how do I check out what the kernel was doing just before the freeze happened upon hard booting the machine? [01:47] the klogd [01:47] bingo [01:47] ok [01:47] where... and how [01:47] not sure [01:47] its a log file [01:47] I'd settle for a link [01:47] to a resource somewhere [01:47] ++ [01:48] ...I've noticed its happened once or twice when I switch from ac to battery [01:48] !klog [01:48] klog: KDE ham radio logging program. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.3-2.1 (edgy), package size 168 kB, installed size 632 kB [01:48] !klogd [01:48] klogd: Kernel Logging Daemon. In component main, is important. Version 1.4.1-18ubuntu6 (edgy), package size 40 kB, installed size 140 kB [01:49] so if I reboot the machine .... it won't scrap the old log just by booting into the machine? [01:49] neozen: sounds like an acpi issue (which are unfortunately popular) [01:49] heh [01:50] I use whatever packages for acpi came w/ xubuntu 6.06.1 ..and gnome-power-manager from the repositories [01:50] ...its a thinkpad r60 === sunnz2 [n=zac@ppp115-5.static.internode.on.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:50] do you gus know how i can scan my windos machine from my linux machine? i mean scan for open ports [01:50] i wanna make sure its safe [01:51] nmap [01:51] !nmap [01:51] nmap: The Network Mapper. In component main, is extra. Version 4.10-1 (edgy), package size 702 kB, installed size 2436 kB [01:51] :) [01:51] neozen: sorry ... i just like using the bot [01:51] heh first time I've seen it used [01:53] ;) [01:53] really? [01:54] !ubotu [01:54] I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [01:54] "all-knowing" being a fluid concept [01:56] !anything [01:56] Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [01:56] my fav [01:57] :) [01:57] !botsnack [01:57] Yum! [01:57] that's mine [02:02] lol [02:02] all-knowing always is [02:03] !libmad [02:03] Sorry, I don't know anything about libmad - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [02:03] ooo [02:03] ....been poking @ compiling vlc 0.8.6 lately [02:04] ...keeps complaining about lack of libmad and ffmpeg... [02:04] even though both are present === pieman [n=pieman@ip68-99-215-131.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:05] oh well [02:05] I've switched to mplayer anyway [02:05] Fetched 719954kB in 1m 18s (9230.17kB/s) [02:05] owned [02:05] hey. does anyone know what xfce4 uses to set the desktop wallpaper? i know you can set it with desktop preferences. but what command does it use? i am trying to make a thunar custom action so if i right click on a photo i can select set as desktop background.. [02:06] xfdesktop I think [02:06] man xfdesktop [02:06] i did.. nothing [02:06] about it [02:06] ..........gar [02:07] a lot of xfce thingies are like that [02:07] .....I've been wondering how to set the title of a window from within a shell script for awhile [02:08] s/window/terminal window/ [02:09] took me forever just to find the command to desktop preferences its self.. [02:09] yeah I didn't find the system menu easy to browse at all [02:10] ...just has include system.... [02:10] ..and where's that? === neozen grins [02:10] its in /usr/share/applications === neozen blinks === Nanoer [n=chatzill@pool-71-109-35-66.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:11] ::turns head to the side:: [02:11] ...interesting [02:11] ...thankee === maxamillion [n=max@r74-192-178-37.htvlcmta01.hnvitx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:11] hey how do i turn the screensaver thing that comes when you leave the computer for 2 hours? [02:12] like how do i take it off [02:12] xflock4 [02:12] oh === maxamillion is at home now [02:12] you mean turn the screensaver off? [02:12] yeah [02:12] it shows this log in screen [02:12] that says screensaver [02:12] settings->settings manager [02:12] then look for screensaver [02:13] neozen: I think I stropped using gentoo (for a while) 'cos of the hassle getting vlc to build correctly [02:13] Nanoer: So when you log in it pops up a screen that says "screensaver"? [02:13] no [02:13] when i'm logged in [02:13] and i leave for like 2 hours [02:13] then i come back [02:13] it shows this screen that says screensaver and makes me log in again [02:13] I think he's just talking about xscreensaver asking for his password [02:13] Nanoer: oh, you just don't want it password protected [02:13] neozen: yes, i believe so [02:14] yea [02:14] like I said...... I live in a vlc-free universe now [02:14] ....all hail mplayer [02:15] oh I like vlc....I just don't like building it [02:15] ..it compiles from source...... (displaying a metric sh*t-load of compiler warnings along the way).... but... it just works === Jester45 hails King Mplayer and the Queen Mencoder [02:15] I cannot say the same thing for vlc 0.8.6 [02:15] !mencoder [02:15] mencoder: MPlayer's Movie Encoder. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8 (edgy), package size 3171 kB, installed size 7956 kB [02:16] Nanoer: Applications->Settings->Settings Manager->Screensaver and uncheck the "lock screen after