[12:25] <maxamillion> hi hi
[12:47] <grazie> what do people usually use to read chm (Windows Help) files on Xubuntu? Seem to have a choice of gnochm or xchm
[12:50] <grazie> way too many dependencies for gnochm...xchm it is then
[12:50] <maxamillion> :)
[12:50] <maxamillion> xchm is a NICE app
[12:50] <maxamillion> (btw)
[12:51] <grazie> it's a comin'
[12:52] <grazie> gets put in the graphics menu though!
[12:53] <maxamillion> grazie: yeah ... i dunno
[12:53] <maxamillion> grazie: i would think of it as "office" but that's just me
[12:54] <grazie> mulljuli: hey...what's up?
[12:54] <grazie> bye
[01:01] <grazie> Jester45: I'm still waiting for this erase to finish with k3b
[01:01] <Jester45> how can i remove all config files from removed packages?
[01:01] <Jester45> grazie: speed? i got a 30x from my dads work
[01:02] <grazie> Jester45: the cd-rw is only x4
[01:02] <Jester45> 700mb im guessing
[01:02] <grazie> yes
[01:02] <Jester45> sorry
[01:02] <Jester45> x4 write speed also? or just erase
[01:03] <grazie> always assumed the same speed for both
[01:03] <Jester45> they might be
[01:04] <Jester45> i think the full erase writes all 0's to the disc
[01:04] <maxamillion> Jester45: or all 1's ... i think it depends on the software
[01:04] <grazie> seemed much quicker on OS X though
[01:04] <Jester45> you think they would make a shortcut in the code for that? like tell the drive write all 0s
[01:05] <Jester45> so the program dosent have to keep sending empty data
[01:05] <Jester45> i know the disco can only write so fast but it seems easier
[01:06] <grazie> i think I'm going to have to setup network booting or die (it's so boring waiting)
[01:07] <Jester45> lol
[01:07] <Jester45> seems that thats a good choice
[01:07] <Jester45> or ... usb if possible
[01:07] <grazie> knoppix wasn't a good choice idea me thinks
[01:08] <grazie> usb is slow though usn't it...never tried myself
[01:08] <neozen> slow for what?
[01:09] <neozen> (and hi)
[01:09] <maxamillion> neozen: hello
[01:09] <grazie> neozen: hi
[01:09] <maxamillion> grazie: knoppix is a good choice always, just be sure to choose something other than kde at boot ;P
[01:09] <neozen> ......and at any other time for that matter
[01:09] <maxamillion> neozen: amen my friend, amen
[01:10] <grazie> maxamillion: only used it for k3n (this time)
[01:10] <grazie> neozen: amen
[01:11] <grazie> usb is slow for writing iso images to and booting from...no?
[01:12] <BFTD> grazie, I find USB to be pretty fast as long as its 2.0
[01:12] <BFTD> but firewire is faster
[01:13] <Jester45> circuit board is faster
[01:13] <BFTD> hehe
[01:13] <Jester45> firewire isnt a Universal
[01:13] <grazie> BFTD: Oh absolutely....but I'm a mac kinda guy
[01:13] <maxamillion> BFTD: firewire-800 is faster, but i challenge you to find a device that uses it .... firewire-400 transfers at 400mb/s and usb2.0 transfers at 420mb/s
[01:13] <BFTD> grazie, they don't have firewire's on macs?
[01:14] <BFTD> maxamillion, true true
[01:14] <grazie> BFTD: Mac's have had firewire for donkeys years!
[01:14] <maxamillion> grazie: its not "slow" but that's all an opinion ... i think usb pen drive would actually boot faster than a cd-rom, but i could be wrong
[01:15] <BFTD> maxamillion, your right, I have puppy on a flashdrive and it boots up 3X faster then a CD
[01:15] <grazie> BFTD: but no cheap portable fw device yet that I know of
[01:15] <grazie> BFTD: but no usb2 on my Mac
[01:15] <maxamillion> BFTD: w00t! .... i love being right
[01:16] <maxamillion> grazie: it a g3?
[01:16] <grazie> g4
[01:16] <maxamillion> grazie: no usb2.0 on a g4?
[01:16] <maxamillion> interesting
[01:16] <Jester45> whats usb 1 ? 80mb/s
[01:16] <BFTD> haha
[01:16] <maxamillion> grazie: wait ... why you getting knoppix if you are on ppc?
[01:16] <BFTD> USB1 is like 6MB/s
[01:16] <grazie> prolly get a card...but not thought about looking...until now
[01:17] <grazie> used knoppix  on x86 machine
[01:17] <Jester45> usb drives will boot faster becuase they dont search on a disc or data and the transfer rates are about the same
[01:18] <maxamillion> USB1 will do 1.5Mbps "low-speed" and 12Mbps "full-speed"
[01:18] <maxamillion> grazie: ah, ok
[01:18] <grazie> k3b appears to have hung...defeated - I'm going to have to boot XP and use Nero :(  .... I  did try
[01:18] <BFTD> maxamillion, wait Mbps?
[01:18] <maxamillion> especially with the new 64-bit dual core powerpc chip that is faster than the intel core2 and uses less energy per clock
[01:19] <grazie> maxamillion: not as sad as me!
[01:19] <maxamillion> BFTD: mega-bit per secong
[01:19] <maxamillion> second*
[01:19] <Jester45> BFTD: megabytes per second
[01:19] <Jester45> yea
[01:19] <Jester45> what he said
[01:19] <maxamillion> grazie: i actually got rid of my iBookG4 to pay for text books
[01:19] <BFTD> maxamillion, I know what it is, but thats super slow...like 1200 KB/s
[01:19] <maxamillion> Jester45: no, Mega-Bit ... not byte
[01:19] <maxamillion> 1 byte = 8 bits
[01:19] <Jester45> yea i know
[01:19] <Jester45> l
[01:20] <neozen> ..max: they are?
[01:20] <Jester45> like internet connection speed
[01:20] <neozen> grazie: all you want is a burning program right?
[01:20] <Jester45> BFTD: thats more of 1800kb/s ish
[01:20] <maxamillion> BFTD: yeah .... usb1 was mainly made to replace parallel ports and it is faster
[01:20] <neozen> grazie: sudo aptitude install graveman
[01:21] <Jester45> WAY faster than parallel
[01:21] <grazie> neozen: a 100% reliable burning prog yes
[01:21] <neozen> I've had great luck w/ that one
[01:21] <neozen> ...runs very fast
[01:21] <neozen> ....there's a few issues w/ it... (disk sizes might be reported improperly)
[01:21] <BFTD> ah
[01:21] <BFTD> well
[01:21] <maxamillion> neozen: yeah, they said it will become "community driven" but no longer "officially supported" which is STUPID because big business with big servers run IBM POWER series processors or Xserver G5s ... etc
[01:21] <BFTD> USB 1.1 is coping stuff at about 1200 KB/s
[01:22] <BFTD> USB 2.0 is doing it at about 18 MB/s
[01:22] <grazie> neozen: got graveman...i like it a lot....I recommend it!....but having bother erasing/writing cd-rw
[01:23] <neozen> ...and all of us people who have a few decrepit macs around who want an OS we can _understand_ will be out of luck I suppose
[01:23] <Jester45> how do i make the output of a comamnd the input of a 2nd command
[01:23] <neozen> I keep a quadra 800 in the corner
[01:23] <neozen> |
[01:23] <neozen> jester use pipe
[01:23] <maxamillion> neozen: no, they will just have to run debian ;)
[01:23] <Jester45> example please?
[01:23] <neozen> command1 | command2
[01:24] <Jester45> thnks im now
[01:24] <grazie> neozen: gentoo is great...if you don't mind compiling everthing from source...and a lot of waiting!
[01:24] <neozen> heh
[01:24] <neozen> I have lots of older hardware
[01:24] <neozen> ...no gentoo
[01:24] <neozen> ........
[01:25] <neozen> anyone mess w/ fedoracore6?
[01:25] <BFTD> I'm on FC6
[01:25] <neozen> how's the learning curve going from ubuntu?
[01:26] <neozen> (last redhat product I messed with was RedHat 5.2 ::shudders)
[01:26] <neozen> .....*xubuntu
[01:26] <grazie> neozen: you don't want FC on a Mac
[01:26] <neozen> no
[01:27] <neozen> this will be on a somewhat modern dell
[01:27] <neozen> 1.5ghz processor
[01:27] <neozen> 512 ram
[01:27] <neozen> ati card
[01:27] <grazie> do like fc really, but if I did it seems load more hassle installing
[01:28] <grazie> s/do/don't/
[01:28] <neozen> yeah... since I'm going to be using the box as a server
[01:28] <neozen> main focus is security
[01:28] <grazie> k
[01:29] <neozen> w/ usability a VERY close second
[01:29] <neozen> s/usability/ease of install, recovery, administration/
[01:29] <grazie> neozen: you putting a gui on a server?
[01:29] <neozen> lol
[01:29] <neozen> possibly
[01:29] <grazie> tut tut
[01:30] <neozen> ....if for no other reason then to learn how things are done w/in redhad
[01:30] <neozen> *redhat
[01:30] <neozen> yes... I know gui on a server is moronic
[01:30] <neozen> ...but it will be a personal server
[01:30] <maxamillion> neozen: wait, you want a secure personal server with a GUI?
[01:31] <neozen> kinda oxymoronic isn't it
[01:31] <maxamillion> neozen: not at all, i run Xubuntu desktop install with apache and such installed ontop of it at the test server here in the office
[01:31] <neozen> thing is... I already know xubuntu
[01:31] <Jester45> i have a gui server
[01:31] <neozen> ...I don't know redhat
[01:31] <neozen> .....and think I should
[01:32] <Jester45> its easier for me to turn on x and the moniter to do stuff with it
[01:32] <maxamillion> neozen: we use fedora core, ubuntu, debian, and suse as production servers (i am a student sys tech at an university so depending were you are depends on what distro the admin chose)
[01:32] <neozen> considering how widespread its usage is in the professional area
[01:32] <Jester45> then turn x off and its high preformance again
[01:32] <neozen> heh
[01:33] <Jester45> maxamillion: what uni? country?
[01:33] <neozen> my uni is way too attached to microsoft
[01:33] <maxamillion> neozen: fedora core is the main web server, the digital repository for the library is suse, the test server i setup is xubuntu, over in the digital forensics department they have a blade setup with different blades running a combo of fc, suse, ubuntu, and debian
[01:33] <maxamillion> Jester45: USA ... SHSU in Texas
[01:33] <maxamillion> Jester45: www.shsu.edu
[01:34] <Jester45> too far for me to go there
[01:34] <maxamillion> Jester45: that's the home page... that runs on a fc6 box
[01:34] <neozen> heh
[01:34] <Jester45> im going to go to SEMO southeastmissouri
[01:34] <neozen> lol
[01:35] <neozen> I'm @ DePaul in chicago
[01:35] <Jester45> lol?
[01:35] <Jester45> is that the art school?
[01:35] <neozen> (seems fun to say)
[01:35] <neozen> ...heh
[01:35] <neozen> well they do have a large art dept
[01:35] <Jester45> semo? funny
[01:36] <neozen> and a notoriously strict theatre school
[01:36] <neozen> ...but a very excellent comp sci program as well
[01:36] <maxamillion> our main admin over the whole campus won some hacking thing at DefCon 2 years in a row, i wish the guy taught classes .... he's a mad man, but our network is locked down :)
[01:36] <neozen> ...once you find the decent prof's that it
[01:36] <neozen> *is
[01:38] <maxamillion> my university isn't extremely well known for comp sci, but there are 2 profs here who are and i have taken every class from them that i can
[01:38] <maxamillion> i think its like that at most State universities
[01:39] <Jester45> i might go to a committy college first for the basic stuff to save money then go to SEMO
[01:39] <maxamillion> they have to employ a couple well known ones to get grants and such but then they need to fill a staff roster too
[01:39] <maxamillion> atleast that is my take on it ... i could be wrong
[01:39] <maxamillion> actually ... lets move this to #xubuntu-offtopic if we could please
[01:41] <neozen> heh
[01:42] <neozen> no worries...
[01:42] <neozen> I'm just killing time w/ conversation until someone comes in and asks for help w/ something I know about
[01:42] <maxamillion> neozen: me too :)
[01:43] <maxamillion> neozen: but technically i am supposed to keep the channel "on topic"
[01:43] <neozen> I hear you
[01:43] <maxamillion> lol
[01:43] <maxamillion> but at the same time i'm not going to run around banning everyone who talks off topic in here because we don't have enough traffic to justify it
[01:45] <Jester45> OMG
[01:45] <maxamillion> ?
[01:45] <Jester45> thats what i told somerville
[01:45] <Jester45> he banned me for offtopic chat
[01:45] <Jester45> theres only 75 people and 4 of the them are active in here
[01:45] <Jester45> if somone comes in i try to help
[01:45] <maxamillion> Jester45: well if it was during a busy time of day and there was someone requesting help, i would ban as well
[01:45] <Jester45> and if traffic starts up i will talk in offtopic
[01:45] <neozen> .....here's a question
[01:46] <maxamillion> neozen: shoot
[01:46] <Jester45> im in there now but nobody talks there they talk in here
[01:46] <neozen> ...more general linux stuff but..... today linux froze ... hard.... how do I check out what the kernel was doing just before the freeze happened upon hard booting the machine?
[01:47] <Jester45> the klogd
[01:47] <maxamillion> bingo
[01:47] <neozen> ok
[01:47] <neozen> where... and how
[01:47] <Jester45> not sure
[01:47] <Jester45> its a log file
[01:47] <neozen> I'd settle for a link
[01:47] <neozen> to a resource somewhere
[01:47] <grazie> ++
[01:48] <neozen> ...I've noticed its happened once or twice when I switch from ac to battery
[01:48] <Jester45> !klog
[01:48] <ubotu> klog: KDE ham radio logging program. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.3-2.1 (edgy), package size 168 kB, installed size 632 kB
[01:48] <Jester45> !klogd
[01:48] <ubotu> klogd: Kernel Logging Daemon. In component main, is important. Version 1.4.1-18ubuntu6 (edgy), package size 40 kB, installed size 140 kB
[01:49] <neozen> so if I reboot the machine .... it won't scrap the old log just by booting into the machine?
[01:49] <maxamillion> neozen: sounds like an acpi issue (which are unfortunately popular)
[01:49] <neozen> heh
[01:50] <neozen> I use whatever packages for acpi came w/ xubuntu 6.06.1 ..and gnome-power-manager from the repositories
[01:50] <neozen> ...its a thinkpad r60
[01:50] <Jester45> do you gus know how i can scan my windos machine from my linux machine? i mean scan for open ports
[01:50] <Jester45> i wanna make sure its safe
[01:51] <neozen> nmap
[01:51] <maxamillion> !nmap
[01:51] <ubotu> nmap: The Network Mapper. In component main, is extra. Version 4.10-1 (edgy), package size 702 kB, installed size 2436 kB
[01:51] <maxamillion> :)
[01:51] <maxamillion> neozen: sorry ... i just like using the bot
[01:51] <neozen> heh first time I've seen it used
[01:53] <maxamillion> ;)
[01:53] <Jester45> really?
[01:54] <Jester45> !ubotu
[01:54] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:54] <maxamillion> "all-knowing" being a fluid concept
[01:56] <Jester45> !anything
[01:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:56] <Jester45> my fav
[01:57] <maxamillion> :)
[01:57] <maxamillion> !botsnack
[01:57] <ubotu> Yum!
[01:57] <maxamillion> that's mine
[02:02] <neozen> lol
[02:02] <neozen> all-knowing always is
[02:03] <neozen> !libmad
[02:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libmad - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:03] <Jester45> ooo
[02:03] <neozen> ....been poking @ compiling vlc 0.8.6 lately
[02:04] <neozen> ...keeps complaining about lack of libmad and ffmpeg...
[02:04] <neozen> even though both are present
[02:05] <neozen> oh well
[02:05] <neozen> I've switched to mplayer anyway
[02:05] <Jester45> Fetched 719954kB in 1m 18s (9230.17kB/s)
[02:05] <Jester45> owned
[02:05] <pieman> hey. does anyone know what xfce4 uses to set the desktop wallpaper? i know you can set it with desktop preferences. but what command does it use? i am trying to make a thunar custom action so if i right click on a photo i can select set as desktop background..
[02:06] <neozen> xfdesktop I think
[02:06] <Jester45> man xfdesktop
[02:06] <pieman> i did.. nothing
[02:06] <pieman> about it
[02:06] <neozen> ..........gar
[02:07] <neozen> a lot of xfce thingies are like that
[02:07] <neozen> .....I've been wondering how to set the title of a window from within a shell script for awhile
[02:08] <neozen> s/window/terminal window/
[02:09] <pieman> took me forever just to find the command to desktop preferences its self..
[02:09] <neozen> yeah I didn't find the system menu easy to browse at all
[02:10] <neozen> ...just has include system....
[02:10] <neozen> ..and where's that?
[02:10] <Jester45> its in /usr/share/applications
[02:11] <neozen> ::turns head to the side::
[02:11] <neozen> ...interesting
[02:11] <neozen> ...thankee
[02:11] <Nanoer> hey how do i turn the screensaver thing that comes when you leave the computer for 2 hours?
[02:12] <Nanoer> like how do i take it off
[02:12] <neozen> xflock4
[02:12] <neozen> oh
[02:12] <neozen> you mean turn the screensaver off?
[02:12] <Nanoer> yeah
[02:12] <Nanoer> it shows this log in screen
[02:12] <Nanoer> that says screensaver
[02:12] <neozen> settings->settings manager
[02:12] <neozen> then look for screensaver
[02:13] <grazie> neozen: I think I stropped using gentoo (for a while) 'cos of the hassle getting vlc to build correctly
[02:13] <maxamillion> Nanoer: So when you log in it pops up a screen that says "screensaver"?
[02:13] <Nanoer> no
[02:13] <Nanoer> when i'm logged in
[02:13] <Nanoer> and i leave for like 2 hours
[02:13] <Nanoer> then i come back
[02:13] <Nanoer> it shows this screen that says screensaver and makes me log in again
[02:13] <neozen> I think he's just talking about xscreensaver asking for his password
[02:13] <maxamillion> Nanoer: oh, you just don't want it password protected
[02:13] <maxamillion> neozen: yes, i believe so
[02:14] <Nanoer> yea
[02:14] <neozen> like I said...... I live in a vlc-free universe now
[02:14] <neozen> ....all hail mplayer
[02:15] <grazie> oh I like vlc....I just don't like building it
[02:15] <neozen> ..it compiles from source...... (displaying a metric sh*t-load of compiler warnings along the way).... but... it just works
[02:15] <neozen> I cannot say the same thing for vlc 0.8.6
[02:15] <grazie> !mencoder
[02:15] <ubotu> mencoder: MPlayer's Movie Encoder. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8 (edgy), package size 3171 kB, installed size 7956 kB
[02:16] <maxamillion> Nanoer: Applications->Settings->Settings Manager->Screensaver and uncheck the "lock screen after <time>
[02:16] <maxamillion> "*
[02:17] <neozen> and another question max
[02:17] <neozen> ...as long as you're here
[02:17] <maxamillion> shoot
[02:17] <maxamillion> :)
[02:17] <neozen> is it possible to streamline the hibernation process
[02:18] <neozen> ...mine seems to be taking about a minute to fully hibernate
[02:18] <neozen> might even be as much as 2 min
[02:18] <grazie> neozen: how big is your swap file?
[02:18] <maxamillion> neozen: honestly that is something i wouldn't know how to do .... hibernation support has been hit or miss in my experience
[02:18] <neozen> same size as my ram
[02:18] <neozen> 1024mb
[02:18] <maxamillion> hmmm
[02:19] <grazie> neozen: double it and then some!
[02:19] <neozen> ...you've got to be kidding
[02:19] <neozen> .....it never even gets used during normal operation
[02:19] <neozen> (aside from hibernating)
[02:20] <grazie> i don't use it, but wouldn't bother even if I had a laptop
[02:20] <maxamillion> grazie: you think double it? ... i would think it just needs to be the size of the ram
[02:20] <Jester45> i got 2gb ram and 5 swap
[02:20] <neozen> well.... under windows it was blazingly fast
[02:20] <maxamillion> Jester45: not bad ... i have 1gb ram 2gb swap
[02:20] <neozen> ....about 15 seconds from poking the button to complete power down
[02:20] <grazie> from what I've read yes
[02:21] <neozen> I'd expect similar response w/ linux
[02:21] <neozen> ..apparently I shouldn't
[02:21] <Jester45> i choose the remove power cord button
[02:21] <neozen> LOL
[02:21] <grazie> I'm sure it will improve over time...like everthing
[02:21] <neozen> when it came to windows back in the day
[02:21] <maxamillion> neozen: i generally keep it as a rule of thumb to have my swap 2X the size of my ram, but i didn't think that would be such an issue with the hibernation (then again, i didn't think ubuntu would release a kernel update that would frag 40% of users installations either)
[02:21] <neozen> ......so did I
[02:21] <Nanoer> how do i unzip stuff after i download it?
[02:21] <maxamillion> Nanoer: right click and "extract"
[02:21] <neozen> ......frag user's installations..... wha?
[02:22] <Jester45> right click and press exract here
[02:22] <Nanoer> ok thanks
[02:22] <maxamillion> Nanoer: wait, what kind of archive is it?
[02:22] <Nanoer> \
[02:22] <Nanoer> gar something
[02:22] <neozen> ....gar?
[02:22] <Jester45> tar?
[02:22] <maxamillion> Nanoer: yeah, then just right click
[02:22] <neozen> me no know gar
[02:22] <Jester45> tar.gz
[02:22] <neozen> ah
[02:22] <grazie> 
[02:22] <maxamillion> lol
[02:23] <Nanoer> lol
[02:23] <Nanoer> i need sleep
[02:23] <Nanoer> xd
[02:23] <Nanoer> bye
[02:23] <maxamillion> laters
[02:23] <neozen> yes...... yes you do
[02:24] <neozen> .....I remember there was a distro back in the day that upon fresh installation ... would open an irc chatroom for support as the first thing
[02:24] <neozen> ...damned if I could remember which one
[02:24] <Jester45> thats not a good idea
[02:25] <neozen> ....they paid moderators...
[02:25] <Jester45> to me thats saying "we cant make a good distro so heres all the support your gonna need"
[02:25] <neozen> seemed very helpful at the time
[02:25] <Jester45> *ubuntu is more like here you go have fun or and if you need help you can come here or here or here
[02:26] <maxamillion> Jester45: well we are making a Welcome Center to try and answer common questions with quick documentation upon the live cd session or first login of a fresh install for new users
[02:26] <neozen> I do so love the ubuntu forums though
[02:26] <neozen> ...every issue I've ever had.... has already been resolved there
[02:26] <maxamillion> neozen: yeah, i enjoy them .... to a point
[02:27] <maxamillion> neozen: the whole "ubuntu should do this because windows does" and "zomg ubuntu vs. windows" ... etc. annoy the shit out of me
[02:27] <maxamillion> eerrr ...
[02:27] <neozen> lol
[02:27] <maxamillion> !language | maxamillion
[02:27] <neozen> ?????
[02:27] <maxamillion> !language > maxamillion
[02:27] <Jester45> maxamillion: thats still not a help center a faq would be nice for new users
[02:27] <grazie> also same question gets ask over and over on the forums..but what do you do?
[02:28] <neozen> yeah
[02:28] <Jester45> haha
[02:28] <neozen> .....there should be some kind of forum level mallet-implementation for that
[02:28] <Jester45> removed the language bounding
[02:29] <neozen> yes.... something on-disk would be priceless
[02:29] <neozen> ...especially for people unable to get net up and running out of the box
[02:29] <neozen> (rare w/ *ubuntu ....but still possible)
[02:29] <maxamillion> neozen: hence the welcome center :) ... lemme get you a link
[02:29] <neozen> ....my card worked out of the box
[02:30] <neozen> ..all of the hardware did actually
[02:30] <maxamillion> neozen: http://welcome.sheep.art.pl/Xubuntu_Welcome_Centre
[02:31] <neozen> nICE
[02:31] <maxamillion> neozen: that is the wiki that one of the project members setup ... he themed the wiki to look like the UI of the welcome center itself
[02:31] <neozen> ...I'll be passing this around @ linux group tonight
[02:31] <neozen> ...expect hits
[02:31] <maxamillion> :D
[02:31] <maxamillion> neozen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Feisty/XubuntuWelcomeCenter?highlight=%28xubuntu%29%7C%28center%29%7C%28welcome%29
[02:31] <maxamillion> neozen: that is our wiki entry for the spec ....
[02:32] <neozen> I'm getting a little tired of answering basic questions
[02:32] <maxamillion> neozen: hopefully it will make it into feisty
[02:32] <maxamillion> neozen: amen
[02:32] <neozen> (was the first person in my group to use xubuntu)
[02:32] <maxamillion> neozen: and it will even launch applications from links to demo them
[02:32] <neozen> ...and now I've converted about 3 others
[02:32] <maxamillion> nice!
[02:32] <Jester45> my only problem was the sound card, hehe it was a modem/sound card the sound card just stuck in a pci slot (no connecters) and the modem sent all the sounds to it
[02:32] <maxamillion> i made my way to xubuntu because i was a debian+xfce user
[02:33] <neozen> my one complaint about xubuntu is the movie player and the lack of a firefox2 package in the dapper repositories
[02:33] <neozen> .....I'm wary of switching to edgy as I've noticed that keyboard shortcuts have ceased to work
[02:34] <neozen> ..and I use them to quickly start applications constantly
[02:34] <maxamillion> neozen: the movie player was fixed in edgy ... replaced with gxine, and firefox2 wasn't included in dapper at all (i think there might be a backport of it though)
[02:34] <Jester45> no backport
[02:34] <maxamillion> neozen: you can customize the keyboard shortcuts
[02:34] <maxamillion> Jester45: ah, thanks :)
[02:34] <neozen> yes
[02:34] <neozen> I know you can customize them
[02:35] <neozen> same place as in dapper
[02:35] <neozen> ...but they don't seem to work
[02:35] <maxamillion> oh :(
[02:35] <neozen> .....you can type in the command
[02:35] <neozen> ...and key in the shortcut
[02:35] <neozen> ...but when you hit the shortcut
[02:35] <neozen> ...the app doesn't open
[02:35] <maxamillion> :(
[02:35] <maxamillion> that's no good
[02:35] <neozen> yes
[02:35] <neozen> it is not good indeed
[02:35] <neozen> should I file a bug report?
[02:35] <maxamillion> hopefully all of that will be gone with feisty since it will include the xfce4.4 stable release
[02:36] <maxamillion> neozen: sure
[02:36] <neozen> .....there's a _stable_ release in feisty?
[02:36] <neozen> lol
[02:36] <maxamillion> neozen: yup ... xfce4.4 was released stable about a week or so ago and will be in feisty
[02:37] <neozen> .....don't suppose there's a backport
[02:37] <maxamillion> neozen: http://www.xfce.org/about/tour?PHPSESSID=41cb19b0a556f14886f0c4c9fd24405d <---notice how closely their tour looks like xubuntu ;)
[02:38] <neozen> and also... as jester said
[02:38] <neozen> there's no backport of firefox2
[02:39] <neozen> ...I ended up going out on the net and snagging a shellscript that did the job
[02:39] <neozen> but still..... arg
[02:39] <Jester45> there isnt a planned backport of xfce from feisty to edgy
[02:39] <neozen> awwwwwww
[02:39] <maxamillion> yeah
[02:39] <neozen> lts my arse
[02:39] <Jester45> wasnt sure if somebody said that
[02:40] <maxamillion> lol
[02:40] <neozen> I've always interpreted "support" .... new stuff will be made available
[02:40] <neozen> *as new...
[02:40] <neozen> when's feisty out again?
[02:41] <maxamillion> neozen: late april
[02:41] <neozen> gar
[02:41] <neozen> that's far away
[02:41] <maxamillion> neozen: support to them is "we will make sure it is updated for security purposes for <blah amount of time>"
[02:41] <neozen> ..................grrr
[02:41] <maxamillion> i know ...
[02:42] <neozen> anyone else in here use xubuntu dapper and successfully migrated to 4.4 using their installer?
[02:43] <neozen> ...also...
[02:43] <neozen> under edgy
[02:43] <neozen> I've encountered an interesting issue w/ brightness
[02:43] <neozen> ...i can turn it down...
[02:43] <neozen> but when i attempt to turn it back up...
[02:43] <neozen> screen goes black
[02:44] <maxamillion> neozen: really?
[02:44] <maxamillion> neozen: that's strange
[02:45] <neozen> yes
[02:45] <neozen> indeed it is
[02:45] <neozen> ....and this... is on a thinkpad
[02:46] <neozen> ..not exactly a linux-unfriendly platform
[02:46] <neozen> ::shrugs::
[02:46] <neozen> ..thus... I live in dapper
[02:46] <maxamillion> also ... another thing to keep in mind is that Xubuntu is community based so the only thing we get from Canonical/Ubuntu is support in the way of being recognized as an official branch, allowance to add packages/metapackages to the repository (as long as a core dev or a MOTU will sponsor them) and hosting of our website on their servers
[02:46] <neozen> hey... even the hosting is kind of....... lacking
[02:47] <maxamillion> and access to their repositories in order to base our distro off their ubuntu-base package
[02:47] <neozen> ...the image mirrors are slow to the us
[02:47] <maxamillion> neozen: yeah ... those are all hosted my volunteers
[02:47] <neozen> we've actually hosted a local one on our campus just so that it doesn't creep
[02:47] <neozen> crooked IT people are nice
[02:48] <maxamillion> neozen: we are working on that slowly, but people don't want to host a distro that doesn't have a user base ... so we are trying to make it more popular and work our way through the social red tape
[02:48] <maxamillion> lol ... nice
[02:48] <neozen> gotcha
[02:48] <maxamillion> we are also in the process of fixing the website ... the CSS is jacked
[02:48] <neozen> 30 million users screaming for hosting can't be wrong
[02:48] <maxamillion> amen
[02:49] <neozen> ...i just dig xubuntu because its so fast
[02:49] <neozen> ...though I suppose any distro would be ok
[02:49] <neozen> ...and it doesn't seem so ....... full of kindler, gentler stuff I don't need
[02:51] <maxamillion> yeah ... my work machine is an Athlon64 X2 4600+ w/ 2gb ddr2 ram and a nvidia 7900 gtx and i run xubuntu on it just because i prefer xfce and ubuntu makes life on the desktop easier than debian
[02:52] <maxamillion> my home machine isn't as impressive, but its a trooper and sports xubuntu as well
[02:52] <neozen> meh
[02:52] <neozen> ..the most impressive thing about this lappy is its 1gb of ram
[02:53] <neozen> ...and that its hardware is fully supported in the ubuntu kernels
[02:53] <maxamillion> and the laptop i am issued at work is a clunker so it reaps the benefits of xubuntu 3 fold
[02:53] <maxamillion> that is always a plus
[02:53] <neozen> yes... it is
[02:53] <neozen> ...it REALLY is
[02:53] <maxamillion> :)
[02:53] <maxamillion> i wish we had a linux group here at my campus ... even though our whole campus is hidden behind linux boxes, everything internal is windows based and i am a horrible minority
[02:54] <Jester45> anyoner here know of hydra?
[02:54] <maxamillion> never heard of it
[02:54] <neozen> lol
[02:54] <neozen> that is sad
[02:54] <Jester45> googling doesnt show much becuase ofa project named hydra that uses debian for somthing
[02:55] <neozen> go find a faculty member who'd be fine with the label of 'faculty advisor' and would be cool w/ helping to slice through red-tape concerning fundage for events/ rental of rooms
[02:56] <neozen> ..and just start posting flyers
[02:56] <neozen> ...have regular meetings
[02:56] <neozen> ....its the college student way ::grins::
[02:56] <neozen> its how ours was founded
[02:56] <maxamillion> neozen: well, we have a computer science group ... that's close-ish
[02:56] <neozen> ...........meh
[02:56] <neozen> we have one of those.....
[02:57] <neozen> on the whole they're elitist .........#@$
[02:57] <Jester45> im in a group of windows users
[02:57] <neozen> oh well
[02:57] <maxamillion> one of my profs says that is because computer science students all know that they are the smartest computer scientist to have ever touched a computer
[02:57] <Jester45> and i say? what reboot? acting slow? viruses? system restore?
[02:58] <maxamillion> lol
[02:58] <neozen> heh
[02:58] <Jester45> kinda seems like a lot of work for games
[02:58] <Jester45> when you could use wine
[02:58] <neozen> has anyone poked at the stable version of xfce in xubuntu
[02:58] <neozen> ..ie... getting it to install/run?
[02:59] <cellofellow> Feisty is cool.
[02:59] <neozen> yeah how's that hurd2 image working?
[02:59] <maxamillion> heh .... icewm vista theme ... http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2007021220213hj0.png
[02:59] <neozen> lol
[02:59] <maxamillion> neozen: hurd or herd? ... they are very different things ;)
[03:01] <neozen> yes
[03:01] <neozen> it might be herd
[03:02] <neozen> ...hurd is the gnu kernel in progress right?
[03:02] <neozen> ...or is it the other way around?
[03:02] <Jester45> xubuntu is herd
[03:02] <maxamillion> neozen: yeah, that's right
[03:03] <drx0drx-xubuntu> hello, can anyone help me get sound working?
[03:03] <neozen> max: I prefer the neutronium xfce theme in combination w/ linsta-black-plastic
[03:03] <maxamillion> neozen: hurd is interesting in concept, but i don't know if it will ever function well in implementation ... i've tried booting it on a number of machines and the kernel always freaks out
[03:03] <maxamillion> neozen: ??
[03:03] <neozen> heh.. just a sec
[03:03] <maxamillion> drx0drx-xubuntu: uhmmm... we can try
[03:03] <neozen> ...screenshot on the way
[03:04] <maxamillion> neozen: awesome :)
[03:04] <cellofellow> maxamillion: I like Linux's one-piece kernel better than Hurd's Mach-based microkernel anyways.
[03:04] <drx0drx-xubuntu> i used to have sound but it doesn't work anymore.  I tried known working headphones and new speakers
[03:05] <drx0drx-xubuntu> I made sure the not symbol is off
[03:05] <maxamillion> cellofellow: me too, i could see there being more issues in the mach-based approach
[03:05] <drx0drx-xubuntu> I'm playing fables_01_01_aesop.spx in sound recorder but I can't hear anything
[03:05] <cellofellow> maybe you need to turn up the volume.
[03:06] <cellofellow> sometimes that happens
[03:06] <maxamillion> drx0drx-xubuntu: right click one of your panels, click "add new item", then scroll down and select "volume control" ... then click the little speaker icon that shows up and make sure your levels are set right
[03:06] <drx0drx-xubuntu> volume is up full
[03:07] <drx0drx-xubuntu> PCM volume & CD volume are FULL
[03:07] <drx0drx-xubuntu> right click d/n do anything
[03:07] <cellofellow> open alsamixer in a terminal
[03:08] <drx0drx-xubuntu> this used to work & I haven't even updated Ubuntu recently
[03:08] <neozen> max: http://neozen.no-ip.info/ss.png
[03:08] <neozen> ...neutronium took a bit of futzing to get forms to be right in firefox
[03:08] <neozen> but I just followed the instructions
[03:09] <neozen> ...and they work now
[03:09] <neozen> oh ... and correction
[03:09] <neozen> neutronium is a gtk2 theme
[03:09] <neozen> ...not an xfce theme
[03:09] <drx0drx-xubuntu> okay, now it just started playing but it's really really quiet and you can't hear it really
[03:09] <cellofellow> I like Murrina :)
[03:09] <drx0drx-xubuntu> both on headphones and on speakers
[03:09] <maxamillion> neozen: nice
[03:10] <neozen> yeah
[03:10] <neozen> dark themes are sexy
[03:10] <cellofellow> :( everything is up in alsamixer drx0drx-xubuntu ?
[03:10] <maxamillion> lol ... i stick to the usual ...
[03:10] <drx0drx-xubuntu> alasmixer?
[03:10] <cellofellow> Mine's darkish, charcoal and stuff, and green.
[03:10] <drx0drx-xubuntu> alsa mixer, yes, got it turned up full blast!
[03:10] <drx0drx-xubuntu> but it sounds like it's in the next room with the door closed
[03:10] <cellofellow> drx0drx-xubuntu: open a terminal and run `alsamixer`.
[03:11] <drx0drx-xubuntu> I'm in it now
[03:11] <neozen> hmmmmm
[03:11] <cellofellow> hmm
[03:11] <drx0drx-xubuntu> and it used to be fine
[03:11] <neozen> ....what kind of audio card?
[03:11] <cellofellow> sound card make and model?
[03:11] <drx0drx-xubuntu> on-board Realtek on Asus P5LD2
[03:11] <neozen> asus ..... :shudders::
[03:11] <drx0drx-xubuntu> we don't like asus?
[03:11] <neozen> lol
[03:11] <neozen> no
[03:12] <neozen> me don't like asus
[03:12] <drx0drx-xubuntu> oh like Intel is so much better
[03:12] <neozen> .....linux probably likes it just fine
[03:12] <neozen> lol
[03:12] <neozen> I honestly couldn't care... as long as it works
[03:12] <maxamillion> neozen: http://www.swooh.com/~adam/homeXubuntuEdgy.png
[03:12] <drx0drx-xubuntu> Intel once told me to buy another CPU just to update by BIOS so my dual core CPU would work, oh yeah right
[03:12] <drx0drx-xubuntu> so, any ideas why my sound sounds submerged?
[03:12] <cellofellow> Mine's a Yamaha who-knows. It has basic 1/8inch speaker, line and mic jacks.
[03:13] <cellofellow> neozen: http://mellowcellofellow.homelinux.net/screenshots
[03:13] <evilmegaman> Hey, xubuntu doesn't have xfce 4.4 final yet does it?
[03:13] <neozen> no
[03:13] <neozen> feisty fawn will
[03:13] <maxamillion> evilmegaman: no, it will in feisty
[03:14] <drx0drx-xubuntu> ok progress, now the headphones sound fine
[03:14] <maxamillion> cellofellow: bad link
[03:14] <drx0drx-xubuntu> but the external JBL Creature 2 speakers still suck
[03:14] <cellofellow> oops. googlepages.com instead
[03:14] <maxamillion> cellofellow: actually looks like your server is down on my end
[03:14] <neozen> yeah
[03:14] <evilmegaman> maxamillion: thanks :)
[03:14] <neozen> ...the speakers aren't good in this thinkpad either
[03:14] <cellofellow> http://mellowcellofellow.googlepages.com/screenshots
[03:15] <neozen> .....but I didn't buy it for the speakers
[03:15] <neozen> ...i bought it for the noise-free headphone jack
[03:15] <maxamillion> evilmegaman: no problem, there also isn't currently a plan for a backport to edgy, so it looks like we will just be having to upgrade in order to have 4.4-stable
[03:16] <neozen> meh
[03:16] <grazie> at last i've done a successful burn...but I had to use nero.......
[03:16] <drx0drx-xubuntu> any ideas?
[03:16] <maxamillion> jeebus it is effing cold in my loft!!!
[03:16] <neozen> ...I'm tempted to just whack out xubuntu-desktop on the lappy.. and attempt to install xfce 4.4stable from the installers on their site
[03:17] <maxamillion> drx0drx-xubuntu: not off the top of my head .... sound in ubuntu seems to confuse me because when i run things like "alsa-config" (or whatever that command is) it claims the command doesn't exist (even when i installed the alsa apps package)
[03:18] <cellofellow> for me it either works or doesn't. I've never configured anything.
[03:18] <maxamillion> drx0drx-xubuntu: you could try "sudo aptitude install alsamixergui" and then run the command and see if there is an option in there that might help
[03:18] <drx0drx-xubuntu> i'm wondering if the volume controls on the Creature 2 speaker system don't support LInux?
[03:18] <drx0drx-xubuntu> (I would think this would be system independent)
[03:18] <maxamillion> drx0drx-xubuntu: i would too
[03:19] <cellofellow> my speakers have a volume nob, but that's the build in amplifier.
[03:19] <neozen> .....
[03:19] <neozen> use the knob dude
[03:19] <maxamillion> lol
[03:19] <drx0drx-xubuntu> i keep hitting + on the dome tweeter but no change
[03:20] <neozen> ....speakers are getting waaaay too complicated when you have to worry if your OS has support for them
[03:20] <maxamillion> lol
[03:20] <maxamillion> so true
[03:21] <drx0drx-xubuntu> I'm going to try (evil inserted for audience) Vista and see if same is true.
[03:21] <maxamillion> i got lucky at the office actually because i was given this really nice surround sound set (because we like to listen to music while we code) and xubuntu was just like "oh, speakers ... cool" and they work
[03:21] <cellofellow> brb...
[03:22] <neozen> LOL
[03:22] <neozen> nice
[03:22] <neozen> what were they incidently?
[03:22] <drx0drx-xubuntu> oh, and speaking of ASUS, they told me they don't support Vista and they don't even have it yet even tho they have the drivers on their site... yeah right.
[03:23] <mpmc> Hi, I seem to be having issues installing Xubuntu 6.10, I'm using an Nvidia PCI graphics card, On the previous versions (both Ubuntu / Xubuntu, I had to edit the Xserver conf so it would find my card, But the 6.10 installation script doesn't seem to allow me to do this, It instead hangs on 'fsck check...
[03:23] <neozen> LOL
[03:23] <neozen> http://fluxbuntu.org/
[03:23] <drx0drx-xubuntu> mute as can be
[03:23] <mpmc> Anyone have any ideas?
[03:23] <neozen> hmmmmm
[03:24] <neozen> ....go w/ dapper?
[03:24] <mpmc> I can upgrade via the internet, but I have downloaded & burned the CD.
[03:24] <drx0drx-xubuntu> I have 6.10
[03:24] <neozen> alright
[03:25] <neozen> ...sorry.... that was a cop-out answer
[03:25] <maxamillion> neozen: i have no clue what brand they are ... :/
[03:25] <mpmc> How would I go about upgrading 6.06 to 6.10 via the CD.
[03:25] <neozen> ....oi
[03:25] <neozen> ...you wouldn't
[03:25] <neozen> to my knowledge
[03:25] <maxamillion> mpmc: can't be done
[03:26] <neozen> ...did you separate your /home?
[03:26] <neozen> ie... is /home in another partition?
[03:26] <drx0drx-xubuntu> ok, now it's playing really softly
[03:26] <neozen> (they should REALLY make that an option in the installer)
[03:26] <neozen> ie... 2-5gb root... and the rest for home
[03:27] <mpmc> maxamillion: I just want to upgrade, but for some reason the installation doesn't find my PCI graphics card.
[03:27] <drx0drx-xubuntu> I think the speakers are defective, the headphones are OK
[03:27] <drx0drx-xubuntu> thanks
[03:27] <maxamillion> neozen: it would confuse new users ... if you want to do it, use the manual partition editor ;)
[03:27] <neozen> lol
[03:27] <neozen> I know
[03:27] <maxamillion> neozen: because if you come from a windows background ... /root and /home will raise a red flag of doom
[03:28] <neozen> ...I just do it so often I harken for an automatic option
[03:28] <neozen> (provide simple messages)
[03:28] <neozen> /root for the os
[03:28] <neozen> /home for all your stuff
[03:28] <maxamillion> mpmc: you can't upgrade from a cd-rom because it would only upgrade the packages available on the cd-rom and anything you have installed since the original installation would then have broken dependencies
[03:28] <neozen> VERY BROKEN
[03:29] <maxamillion> ;)
[03:29] <mpmc> maxamillion: Yeah, I thought that would be the problem
[03:29] <grazie> actually I don't like suse, but the installer is excellent for partition config
[03:30] <cellofellow> maxamillion: actually, I think you could upgrade from the CD if you had the online stuff available as fallback.
[03:30] <maxamillion> grazie: yeah, i will agree ... but so is fc's
[03:30] <grazie> yes. shame about everthing else
[03:30] <maxamillion> cellofellow: hrmmm.... i still think you would break a dependency somewhere
[03:30] <mpmc> Why can't they include finding PCI graphics cards in the installation, I don't know..
[03:31] <maxamillion> grazie: well, debian has never been stellar at a friendly installer (until the past 8 months or so) so ubuntu didn't have a whole lot to work with
[03:31] <cellofellow> maxamillion: nah. I've a DVD to install stuff from, but I don't use it much. Apt is usually downloading things instead.
[03:31] <mpmc> Oh well, Another 1.30 hours waiting for the upgrade.
[03:31] <maxamillion> mpmc: open a terminal and type "lspci | grep nvidia" and tell me if anything displays from that command
[03:32] <mpmc> maxamillion: nothing.
[03:32] <mpmc> I'm using 'nv'
[03:33] <maxamillion> mpmc: shouldn't matter for that command ...
[03:33] <cellofellow> maxamillion: whole point of DVD is that it's a bit faster than DSL. :) So, upgrading from a CD with repos as backup should work fine. Apt is smart enough to install the newest version of everything it finds.
[03:33] <maxamillion> mpmc: did you install the nvidia-glx package?
[03:33] <grazie> mpmc: how about 'lspci | grep -i vga'
[03:34] <mpmc> maxamillion: No I didn't there isn't much point if I'm upgrading...
[03:34] <maxamillion> cellofellow: right, but the newer version will always be in the repos if trying to upgrade with a release image of edgy
[03:34] <cellofellow> how bout just lspci and looking through it manually? it's not that long.
[03:34] <maxamillion> mpmc: yeah there is, that package isn't included by default in edgy either
[03:34] <maxamillion> mpmc: that package will probably never be included default
[03:34] <cellofellow> maxamillion: true. well, sort of. I still install things occasionally from DVD. Like Subversion last week.
[03:35] <mpmc> maxamillion: Yeah, I can just install it after I upgrade & edit the xconf.
[03:35] <maxamillion> cellofellow: interesting .... maybe subversion hasn't released a new version since the edgy freeze
[03:35] <maxamillion> mpmc: right ... and then run "sudo nvidia-settings" and make your linux life easier ;)
[03:36] <neozen> mpmc ...1.3 hours?
[03:37] <maxamillion> oh wow ... the nvidia-settings in the 9xxx series package is sooooo much nicer than the 8xxx series package
[03:37] <maxamillion> they need to hurry that up for 64-bit users
[03:37] <mpmc> I tried freespire, Really hated it, Wouldn't find my Wireless card at all & I couldn't  access my USB drive.. huh, Ubuntu perfectly fine...
[03:38] <mpmc> Felt like a bad fedora core :P
[03:38] <neozen> freespire?
[03:38] <neozen> !freespire
[03:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about freespire - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:38] <mpmc> google it
[03:38] <maxamillion> mpmc: yeah ... lin/freespire are both being based on ubuntu on their next release
[03:39] <maxamillion> neozen: www.freespire.org
[03:39] <neozen> lol
[03:39] <mpmc> I couldn't believe how nasty it was !
[03:40] <maxamillion> mpmc: yeah ... i think it was based on debian sarge (which is pushing 4 years of age if my memory serves me right)
[03:40] <mpmc> It felt like fedora core to me...
[03:40] <neozen> heh
[03:41] <mpmc> I havem't been using Linux long, about 8 months... I just can't decide what OS to use...
[03:42] <maxamillion> mpmc: Ubuntu is a good place to start, Xubuntu is a good place to stay
[03:42] <mpmc> I'm Duel booting XP, which I'm getting sick of :P
[03:42] <maxamillion> Ubuntu is a little too automated for my taste and gnome is a tad too bloated, Xubuntu is juuuust right ;)
[03:42] <cellofellow> hehe, Duel Booting. Funny. :)
[03:43] <grazie> bang
[03:43] <cellofellow> XP is dead!
[03:43] <maxamillion> cellofellow: i have to at work because sometimes i have to code for windows machines :(
[03:43] <neozen> round one .... FIGHT!
[03:43] <milkii> could someone help me with configuring xubuntu for ati :/ it just keeps annoying me
[03:43] <neozen> .....hmm
[03:43] <maxamillion> neozen: no fighting
[03:43] <neozen> yeah... I might be able to help ye milkii
[03:43] <maxamillion> milkii: oh goodness, this could take a while .... what ati card do you have?
[03:43] <neozen> what kind of ati?
[03:43] <neozen> ...lol
[03:43] <cellofellow> maxamillion: Duel Booting, get it? Like Texas gunslingers.
[03:44] <milkii> i have a x800 gto
[03:44] <neozen> all yours max
[03:44] <neozen> I'm a radeon support kind of guy
[03:44] <milkii> ^^
[03:44] <neozen> as in one radeon
[03:44] <milkii> well its radeon isnt it
[03:44] <mpmc> maxamillion: Ubuntu was my first try of linux.. felt bloated.... I tried Xubuntu and loved it.. very fast & easy to user...
[03:44] <milkii> ya
[03:44] <neozen> ...the ancient one
[03:44] <neozen> ...thats in my server
[03:45] <milkii> the x800
[03:45] <neozen> .... that's right.... a server w/ a nice graphics card
[03:45] <cellofellow> since when did servers need accelerated graphics cards?
[03:45] <mpmc> Damn sorry about my spellings, It's is 2.45am after all..
[03:45] <neozen> cello: it came w/ the box
[03:45] <neozen> ...who was I to complain
[03:45] <neozen> ...and it serves text just fine
[03:45] <cellofellow> could always put it in a different box.
[03:45] <neozen> yeah
[03:46] <maxamillion> milkii: ok, just a moment ... i have a link that will help
[03:46] <milkii> ok thank you
[03:46] <neozen> ....but all the other boxen I have would just slow it down
[03:46] <neozen> ....it'd be like making a midget suck an elephant through a garden hose
[03:46] <cellofellow> My server has an old PCI non-accelerated graphics card. Real hunk of junk. I considered taking it out and dual-heading, but decided not to.
[03:46] <neozen> lol
[03:46] <grazie> milkii: don't think there are many ati users on this channel. I've got one my mac, but there's no binary dirvers that :(
[03:47] <cellofellow> nvidia here.
[03:47] <maxamillion> milkii: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190133
[03:47] <maxamillion> milkii: that should help, if not ... let me know and we can work from there
[03:47] <cellofellow> !ati
[03:47] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:47] <mpmc> Ok people, I hate to ask this, but I need an IM Client... I'm not a big fan of gaim, amsn, bitbee, I just want something nice.. :P
[03:47] <milkii> you mean i cant play with xubuntu <<
[03:47] <neozen> where does ati stick their model numbers on their boards?
[03:47] <milkii> thx
[03:47] <cellofellow> what protocol?
[03:47] <maxamillion> milkii: actually ... hollow that ---> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto first
[03:47] <maxamillion> follow*
[03:48] <mpmc> cellofellow: MSNP / IRC.
[03:48] <maxamillion> neozen: no clue
[03:48] <neozen> mikii... oh but you can!
[03:48] <milkii> need to get my display working first
[03:48] <neozen> it works... its just not accelerated
[03:48] <neozen> ...we'll juice ye up
[03:48] <cellofellow> mpmc: there's one called Emesene that I use form MSN. I just use XChat or Irssi for IRC and Gajim for GTalk.
[03:48] <milkii> ^^
[03:49] <maxamillion> mmmmmm irsssi
[03:49] <maxamillion> irssi*
[03:49] <neozen> I use gaim for irc
[03:49] <neozen> ...seems to work just fine
[03:49] <maxamillion> it does
[03:49] <cellofellow> I don't like gaim.
[03:49] <cellofellow> Bloated for an IM client.
[03:49] <milkii> ah good link <<
[03:49] <maxamillion> milkii: which one?
[03:49] <milkii> the first one
[03:49] <neozen> it is a little large on the screen real-estate
[03:49] <cellofellow> prolly the wiki.
[03:50] <maxamillion> i think the wiki is a better link, but i completely forgot about it at first
[03:50] <milkii> but theres a problem. if i type sudo nano etc/.... i get a blank editor with no text oO
[03:50] <cellofellow> Gajim as a nice little slim and slick jabber client.
[03:50] <neozen> not etc/
[03:50] <mpmc> cellofellow: Emesene, Looks like it will do the job :)
[03:50] <neozen> you want /etc/
[03:50] <neozen> ...
[03:50] <neozen> got that milkii?
[03:51] <maxamillion> milkii: "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" i believe is what you are looking for
[03:51] <cellofellow> mpmc: I had to compile (no big deal, it's python.) it's not in the repos.
[03:51] <maxamillion> cellofellow: compile python?
[03:51] <milkii> yes. i mean i type sudo nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf and it opens a blank editor screen
[03:51] <cellofellow> maxamillion: well, run make.
[03:51] <neozen> hmmmm
[03:51] <maxamillion> milkii: you have to capitalize the X
[03:51] <maxamillion> cellofellow: lol ... cute
[03:51] <neozen> nice catch
[03:51] <maxamillion> :)
[03:52] <cellofellow> UNIX has always had case sensitivity.
[03:52] <milkii> what is the x <<
[03:52] <mpmc> cellofellow: Hmm.. Got a deb for Emesene :P
[03:52] <cellofellow> cool.
[03:52] <neozen> ..I have noticed one strange thing w/ thunar
[03:52] <maxamillion> milkii: what?
[03:52] <mpmc> cellofellow: I was asking you if you had one :P
[03:52] <neozen> sorts files Capitals first... then lower case....
[03:52] <cellofellow> milkii: /etc/X11/xorg.conf, not /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[03:52] <neozen> ...and doesn't allow you to rename on fat32
[03:52] <milkii> ah
[03:52] <milkii> ...
[03:52] <cellofellow> mpmc: I think I used checkinstall, let me see.
[03:52] <milkii> xD
[03:53] <neozen> ...any way to fix that sort order?
[03:53] <maxamillion> milkii: oh ... sorry, i didn't specify where the 'X' needed to be
[03:53] <neozen> ie.... tell thunar to ignore case?
[03:53] <milkii> haha no u helped me much i think
[03:53] <maxamillion> neozen: maybe, but i can't promise anything .... might be in preferences
[03:54] <maxamillion> neozen: yeah ... i lied, sorry bout that
[03:54] <neozen> nope
[03:54] <neozen> preferences is awfully sparse
[03:54] <cellofellow> mpmc: sorry, no deb file. I must have use make install instead of checkinstall
[03:55] <cellofellow> actually, no makefile. I think I copied it into /usr/local/* manually
[03:55] <mpmc> I could really use a Game of cannon fodder, I miss that Amiga! Bloody brother stole it & sold it..
[03:55] <milkii> thank you for helping me out. ill return in a few minutes :)
[03:55] <neozen> lol
[03:55] <neozen> there's got to be an emu out there mpmc
[03:56] <neozen> just a sec
[03:56] <neozen> http://www.zophar.net/unix/amiga.html
[03:56] <neozen> ...there you go
[03:56] <neozen> ...two
[03:57] <neozen> *two of them
[03:57] <mpmc> neozen: : Thanks.. I just need to find the games on the net now... He took the 4000 floppy disks too...
[03:57] <cellofellow> mpmc: can't remember how I installed emesene, but it works and there are compiled pyc files and apt doesn't know it's there I think.
[03:57] <grazie> maxamillion: do you know if today's release is herd4 or still herd3?
[03:57] <mpmc> cellofellow: : Ok...
[03:58] <cellofellow> dinner time
[03:58] <maxamillion> grazie: todays release?
[03:59] <maxamillion> grazie: i do think we skipped herd3 because we were off schedule
[03:59] <grazie> maxamillion: so we're at herd4?
[03:59] <maxamillion> grazie: yea
[03:59] <grazie> thanks
[03:59] <maxamillion> np
[04:00] <maxamillion> anyhoo i'm off to dinner ... bbl
[04:00] <mpmc> So whats everyone doing?
[04:01] <neozen> leaving class
[04:01] <neozen> going to linux group
[04:02] <neozen> going away for a bit all
[04:03] <Vilhelms> I just installed the latest version of gaim and it won't pick up on my Gtk theme :(
[04:04] <mpmc> Vilhelms: Have you tried #gaim?
[04:04] <Vilhelms> Let me try that :)
[04:17] <Jester45> i think he didnt install the gtk theme plugin
[04:18] <Jester45> so gaim uses it
[04:21] <milkii> argh :/ why is installing linux so complicated
[04:23] <Jester45> its not
[04:24] <milkii> oh yes it is ^^
[04:24] <Jester45> what are you installing it on and what cd live or alt
[04:24] <mpmc> Does not compute.
[04:25] <Jester45> milkii: i install mine with 6 clicks of the mouse
[04:26] <milkii> wish i could use mouse
[04:26] <Jester45> are you useing the alternative cd?
[04:26] <mpmc> :-!
[04:26] <milkii> i am
[04:27] <Jester45> whats making it so hard
[04:27] <milkii> finally managed to install it but cant boot the display
[04:27] <Jester45> we might be able to help
[04:27] <Jester45> are you installing on a mac?
[04:27] <milkii> nope. amd64
[04:28] <milkii> have x800 graphics
[04:28] <mpmc> '
[04:28] <mpmc> 'Cringe'
[04:28] <milkii> maximillion gave me some wise tips but it didnt help. maybe i screw the config up alrdy
[04:30] <jaime_k> Is this the right place for questions?
[04:31] <Jester45> maybe
[04:31] <Jester45> depends on the qusetion
[04:32] <Jester45> mostly its the right place
[04:32] <Jester45> go head and ask
[04:32] <jaime_k> I have over a decade experience with BSD unix and Mac management.  I'm wondering how hard it would be to bring Xubuntu workstations with some kind of network booting.
[04:33] <jaime_k> (Public school.  DHCP server manually configured on Unix system.  Mostly Mac workstations and Mac and Unix servers.)
[04:33] <deep> IM IN LOVE WITH XFCE! :)
[04:34] <mpmc> deep: It is great isn't it..
[04:34] <deep> Ohyes. ^^ I just saw the most amazing screenshot, and i tried dreamlinux today in school. I love it. ^^
[04:34] <jaime_k> LOL
[04:35] <jaime_k> I used XFCE in 1998 and liked it a lot back then.  Nice and low overhead, yet more than functional enough.
[04:35] <jaime_k> Say, anyone know if Xubuntu supports PowerMac G3 systems?  I think I have a few of those.
[04:36] <deep> Ah, now then, lets see if xfce wants to work. :)
[04:36] <deep> Ah, have to install some other stuff first, nice. :)
[04:37] <deep> The ubuntu automation is amazing. (:
[04:37] <deep> And yes, i am a bit new. ^^ heh
[04:38] <Jester45> jaime_k: its supports G3s
[04:38] <Jester45> and its not that hard to setup a netboo
[04:38] <Jester45> t
[04:38] <Jester45> !netboot
[04:38] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[04:38] <jaime_k> Jester45:  Thanks.  Can it netboot them?
[04:38] <Jester45> check those
[04:38] <jaime_k> Very cool.  Thanks
[04:39] <MightyMountai1> Excuse me, I'm attempting to extract a .tar.bz2 folder onto an SD Card, but when I open Thunar (even as root), the card (it's partitioned) doesn't show itself as an option.  I tried to extract the folder onto my desktop, so I could transfer the files manually, but I encounter an error when attempting to extract the entire folder.  Any suggestions?
[04:40] <jaime_k> Can netbooting be done without making the server into your main DHCP server?
[04:40] <Jester45> im not sure
[04:41] <jaime_k> Thanks for the answer.  I appreciate the time.
[04:41] <Jester45> np
[04:41] <Jester45> sorry i dont know more
[04:41] <jaime_k> School is out of session next week.  Maybe I'll find the time for a test run with those G3s.  :)
[04:41] <Jester45> xubuntu is pretty flexible
[04:42] <Jester45> jaime_k: may i ask what school
[04:42] <jaime_k> Its OK.  The actual REPLY is nice.  Too often I see people in IRC channels that are like large echoing chasms.
[04:42] <jaime_k> Cairo-Durham CSD in NY.  http://www.cairodurham.org
[04:43] <jaime_k> I just replaced the web site with a Drupal install during the superbowl.
[04:43] <Jester45> nice time :) nobody will be on site then
[04:44] <tripppy> what is min size of a HDD install?
[04:45] <Jester45> 1gb? maybe
[04:47] <tripppy> now to find a HDD
[04:48] <Jester45> jaime_k: would you know what afpovertcp is?
[04:49] <tripppy> http://www.google.com.au/search?sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B2GGGL_enAU176&q=afp+over+tcp
[04:49] <neozen> trippy: for xubuntu I believe it is 2gb
[04:49] <Jester45> tripppy: might be less im not sure you could use a alternative cd to not install some packages
[04:50] <tripppy> sweet. so 2.1gig would be ok with a 1GH cpu and 256mb ram?
[04:51] <Jester45> yea
[04:51] <Jester45> not much room after install
[04:51] <Jester45> well
[04:51] <Jester45> the swap partion might be small
[04:53] <jaime_k> Sorry, AFK.
[04:53] <jaime_k> Jester45:  Its a Mac filesharing protocol
[04:53] <neozen> um
[04:54] <tripppy> ok. ill use a 4.3 gig
[04:54] <jaime_k> MacOS X, AppleShareIP (for MacOS 9 or lower), and NetATalk (for Unix) can all do it
[04:54] <neozen> ......um
[04:54] <neozen> 256 mb ram
[04:54] <neozen> ....oi
[04:55] <neozen> u runnin console or gui
[04:55] <Jester45> 256mb of ram is fine for gui
[04:57] <jaime_k> Jester45:  Why did you ask about afpovertcp?
[04:59] <Jester45> just wondering
[04:59] <Jester45> i hate compling
[05:00] <Jester45> takes forever
[05:08] <Jester45> your back!!!
[05:08] <cellofellow> yes i am :)
[05:11] <Jester45> i should work on the scripts or the site
[05:12] <tripppy> i ran the live cd for awhile on my system. works fine
[05:12] <tripppy> just installing now
[05:12] <Jester45> thats good
[05:13] <Jester45> cellofellow: do you only have 1 computer?
[05:13] <tripppy> when i let the installer erase whole HDD. does it allocate swap partition?
[05:13] <cellofellow> *I* have only one. The server is sort of mine.
[05:13] <cellofellow> tripppy: yeah
[05:13] <Jester45> yes it uses a forumal based on the RAM your have and the HDD space
[05:21] <cellofellow> *sighs* there's another computer just around the corner PIII with 96MB and Win98. Family keeps complaining it's slow. Sure would like to install Xubuntu but I need two things: A notation program with MIDI capabilities, and a mail client that works with Juno. (Yet to find one. Thunderbird, Sylpheed. Haven't tried Evolution.)
[05:24] <Jester45> why you need those
[05:24] <cellofellow> My mom.
[05:24] <Jester45> you shoudl get more ram
[05:24] <cellofellow> I know.
[05:24] <Jester45> it would help alot
[05:25] <cellofellow> I have a friend, and he's got ram, but I need to get it from him.
[05:27] <Jester45> wheres the config for ddclient
[05:27] <cellofellow> actually, the mail client is secondary. What is REALLY needed is the notation program. I've tried Denomo, no MIDI. NoteEdit, KDE and won't playback on ALSA and I have no midi port on this computer. Rosegarden is also KDE and is a sequencer, not a notation program. LilyPond is too unix-y.
[05:28] <Jester45> im gonna back it up so i dont lose it
[05:28] <cellofellow> back what up?
[05:28] <Jester45> ddclient config
[05:28] <cellofellow> oh, hehe, good idea.
[05:29] <Jester45> i think thats the name
[05:29] <cellofellow> yeah
[05:29] <Jester45> where it at /usr/somthing
[05:29] <Jester45> or etc
[05:29] <cellofellow> /etc/ddclient.conf
[05:29] <Jester45> just found it
[05:32] <cellofellow> brb again
[05:33] <El3M3NT> Oh holy shit.
[05:33] <El3M3NT> Oh only 72 people.
[05:34] <cellofellow> back again
[05:35] <cellofellow> I got tired of trasparency so I restarted X without the composting stuff.
[05:37] <neozen> heh
[05:37] <neozen> I can deal w/ psudo transparency
[05:39] <cellofellow> transparent windows. Trying to read a Python eBook and code Python at the same time without dual monitors calls for trasnparency.
[05:39] <neozen> lol
[05:39] <neozen> I use two computers and synergy
[05:39] <neozen> synergy is wonderful
[05:39] <Jester45> i use 2 moniters
[05:40] <cellofellow> whatever then. My box can't handle dual monitors unfortunately
[05:40] <cellofellow> brb I think
[05:40] <neozen> neither could either of mine
[05:40] <neozen> ...that's why I use synergy
[05:40] <neozen> http://synergy2.sourceforge.net
[05:41] <neozen> ....exodus?
[05:41] <neozen> well... its time to hop the train home
[05:41] <neozen> bye all
[07:15] <Laibsch> Is anybody here using multisync to successfully sync *to* evolution?
[07:40] <Rymac91> sigh...
[07:40] <Rymac91> I need help...
[07:40] <Rymac91> ...again
[07:41] <Rymac91> when I try to play video's on youtube or google video or anywhere that uses a flash player based player...
[07:41] <Rymac91> ...the video will freeze constantly or become unresponsive...
[07:42] <Rymac91> ..why...and is there anyway to fix this?
[07:50] <Rymac91> -.-''
[07:51] <Rymac91> s
[07:51] <Rymac91> opps
[07:55] <Rymac91> hello?
[07:55] <Rymac91> anyone?
[08:44] <tripppy> what a good remtoe desktop app for xubuntu?
[08:48] <hyper_ch> tripppy: server or client?
[10:38] <tripppy> hyper_ch, server
[10:39] <hyper_ch> I use krdc
[10:41] <tripppy> oh . kewl
[10:41] <tripppy> thankx
[11:08] <J_P> hi all
[11:08] <J_P> hey all, is possible install xubuntu on pentium 100mhz ?
[11:09] <J_P> Are there some tutorial for this, remember that machine don't boot via CD, only floopy disk
[11:21] <hyper_ch> J_P: how much ram?
[11:44] <Dimensions> Hiya ... i am installing xubuntu on my usb 2 gb flash drive ..its asking where will i install my Grub ... hd0 .... where should i install boot loader if im to boot from my flash drive always without a hdd ?
[11:59] <Gorlist> Morning
[11:59] <Gorlist> ok quick question :) when I load up Xubuntu it keep opening a blank OpenOffice Writer document...
[12:00] <Gorlist> I have been suggested its due to automatic session loader - problem is can't find anything in regards to it
[12:00] <Gorlist> any ideas?
[12:00] <hyper_ch> close OOo
[12:00] <hyper_ch> close all other appz you don't want to have auto-started
[12:00] <hyper_ch> start all appz you do want to have auto-started
[12:00] <Gorlist> save session, log out?
[12:01] <hyper_ch> Then Applications --> Quit
[12:01] <hyper_ch> Check the "save session"
[12:01] <hyper_ch> and then logout
[12:01] <Gorlist> right ok will give it ago thanks ;)
[12:02] <Gorlist> worked thanks
[12:02] <hyper_ch> Gorlist: do you know how I can make OOo Writer start with a new document already open?
[12:03] <Gorlist> well
[12:04] <Gorlist> not sure, I assume I must have opened OOo as a new document, left it run and closed down saving session
[12:04] <Gorlist> so everytime i reloaded it came up with new document
[12:04] <hyper_ch> it doesn't behave like that for me :(
[12:05] <Gorlist> very strange - if you save a session does it work with anything?
[12:05] <hyper_ch> I don't want to save it as session :)
[12:05] <Gorlist> but if you do it once
[12:05] <Gorlist> then it will always remeber :)
[12:06] <Gorlist> so just save with a new OOo writer document open
[12:06] <hyper_ch> ok :) i'll try
[12:07] <Gorlist> work?
[12:08] <hyper_ch> nope, not really
[12:08] <hyper_ch> it didn't save the session properly
[12:08] <Gorlist> how so?
[12:10] <hyper_ch> really strange
[12:11] <hyper_ch> oh well, I'll try some other time :)
[12:20] <grazie> hyper_ch: hi
[12:44] <hyper_ch> hiho grazie
[01:11] <Gorlist> anyone here good at OOo formulas?
[01:23] <grazie> hyper_ch: I'm being a bit lazy. Do you know if it's possible to run vmware images from virtualbox? Looks like it isn't possible yet.
[01:46] <hyper_ch> grazie: no it isn't
[02:17] <grazie> hyper_ch: thanks anyway
[02:47] <hyper_ch> grazie: just got NXServer to run :)
[02:49] <grazie> hyper_ch: good! That's commercial sw isn't it?
[02:50] <grazie> 
[03:02] <hyper_ch> grazie: it got a freeversion
[03:03] <grazie> hyper_ch: free client too?
[03:03] <hyper_ch> yes
[03:04] <hyper_ch> grazie: you don't know german, do you?
[03:05] <grazie> no german no. i'll have a look at NX again, thanks
[03:05] <hyper_ch> grazie: http://www.simplylinux.ch/linux-applikationen-ueberall-verwenden-nxserver
[03:05] <hyper_ch> that's just how I did it
[03:06] <hyper_ch> you may not understand the text but the commands :)
[03:07] <grazie> :O
[03:07] <hyper_ch> I'll add it to howtoforge.com I think
[03:14] <sacater> does anyone know when feisty fawn is going to be released as a stable OS
[03:15] <crimsun> !schedule |sacater
[03:15] <ubotu> sacater: Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[03:15] <sacater> erm
[03:15] <sacater> thanks ubotu
[03:16] <sacater> i meant what date, as in march 12?
[03:17] <sacater> the exact release date
[03:18] <crimsun> did you actually read the links I gave you?
[03:18] <crimsun> (obviously not)
[03:21] <sacater> meh
[03:21] <sacater> for a laptop i get the x86 release yes?
[03:21] <crimsun> which /type/ of laptop?
[03:22] <sacater> erm
[03:22] <sacater> one thats about 1 year ol
[03:22] <sacater> d
[03:22] <sacater> im getting it and thats all i know
[03:22] <sacater> lol
[03:23] <kalikiana> any generic way of fixing this kind of compile error: "undefined reference to `g_thread_init'"??
[03:23] <crimsun> so is it a macbook pro? a powerbook? a dell/hp/gw/ibm/... ?
[03:23] <crimsun> kalikiana: libglib2.0-dev installed with pkg-config used properly?
[03:24] <sacater> erm
[03:24] <sacater> i know its toshiba
[03:25] <crimsun> so either i386 or amd64
[03:25] <sacater> would pc x86 be okay for it
[03:25] <sacater> erm
[03:25] <sacater> yeh
[03:25] <sacater> 386 i expect
[03:25] <grazie> sacater: can't you get the machine first and then look for the right build?
[03:25] <sacater> erm
[03:25] <sacater> i suppose
[03:26] <grazie> :)
[03:26] <sacater> grazie: would you SUSPECT, it is PC x86
[03:26] <sacater> in Live cd
[03:26] <kalikiana> crimsun, i do have glib2 and configure went fine, but it's no my own code o-O, so how would I use pkg-config?
[03:26] <sacater> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[03:26] <sacater> thats what i want to know
[03:26] <sacater> which one
[03:27] <grazie> prolly yes, but you might be lucky and get an amd64
[03:27] <sacater> the laptop is also running xp atm, but im gonna overwrite with xubuntu
[03:27] <sacater> na
[03:27] <sacater> i reckon its 386
[03:27] <sacater> i wanna beta test feisty fawn on it
[03:28] <sacater> thats why im asking
[03:28] <crimsun> kalikiana: but during linking is lglib* actually used?
[03:28] <crimsun> kalikiana: meaning lgthread, etc.
[03:28] <sacater> anyone have a clue what a 'Daily Build' is
[03:28] <crimsun> sacater: so grab the i386 image and
[03:28] <crimsun> a daily build is generated daily
[03:28] <crimsun> i.e., a snapshot of the current working tree. It may be horribly broken.
[03:29] <sacater> thought so
[03:30] <sacater> grr, i have the 6.10 xubuntu
[03:30] <sacater> but im wondering whether its worth installing, so close to a distor upgrade
[03:30] <kalikiana> crimsun, i don't see gthread anywhere in the failing line, should i just try to append '-lgthread'?
[03:31] <crimsun> kalikiana: sure, but that means your autotools (configure.in? Makefile.in?) config is broken
[03:31] <kalikiana> sacater, better use a pre-release if you want to limit the possible amount of errors ;)
[03:34] <sacater> kalikiana: where would i obtain that from :P
[03:34] <kalikiana> sacater, browse the ubuntu websites, should there not be one?
[03:35] <sacater> meh
[03:35] <sacater> ill do that
[03:35] <kalikiana> crimsun, i do have .in and .am files, how would I regenerate the files for building?
[03:37] <sacater> cant find a pre-release by googling for it
[03:43] <grazie> sacater: distro watch is good place to look for linux distro
[03:43] <grazie> sacater: here's a link for ubuntu releases http://distrowatch.com/index.php?distribution=ubuntu&month=all&year=all
[03:44] <sacater> ty
[03:49] <sacater> grazie: you seem pretty 1337, if i wanted to this new laptop through my pc, then to the outside world, what would i have to doi
[03:49] <sacater> i have 2 network ports, one with the web, and one spare
[03:49] <sacater> ill also be using that for FTP
[03:52] <siegfried__> Does it make sense to install openoffice on xubuntu or should I be using a different distro that already has it? I tried apt-get install openoffice but it did not know what that was.
[03:54] <kalikiana> siegfried__, try openoffice.org ;)
[03:55] <kalikiana> wether or not openoffice.org makes sense to you depends on the power of your hardware and wether abiword or gnumeric is all you need
[03:56] <sacater> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKIJFsAbphg
[03:56] <sacater> thats my own video :P
[03:57] <kalikiana> that's weird: trackerd seems to be immune to killall O-o
[03:59] <siegfried__> What about emacs? apt-get does not know about emacs either.
[04:01] <kalikiana> siegfried__, 'emacs' is actually a package. if neither is installable to you they might be in universe i wonder?
[04:01] <kalikiana> by the way 'apt-cache search' is handy sometimes :P
[04:03] <siegfried__> apt-get openoffice.org is working. Thanks. Since it is prompting me for the installation CD, does that mean it is installing openoffice.org from the CD? Is there a way I can make it install from the internet instead?
[04:03] <hyper_ch> siegfried__: comment out the cd as source in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:06] <siegfried__> Does anyone know how to get the size of a device, the amount available and the amount used in a C program without using "df" and parsing the output?
[04:08] <kalikiana> i'd know how to do that in python :P
[04:20] <grazie> hyper_ch: is it not possible to set up a virtualbox machine outside /home?
[04:24] <siegfried__> how do you do it in python?
[04:27] <kalikiana> siegfried__, if it's unix only: stat = os.statvfs(drive); size = stat.f_bavail * stat.f_bsize
[04:28] <kalikiana> you'll want to look closer at stat's values; the 'size' above is the remaining space
[04:35] <hyper_ch> grazie: sure it is
[04:38] <grazie> hyper_ch: how? every time I create a disk in vb it put's it in /home/user/.VirtualBox, with no other options
[04:38] <hyper_ch> I symlinked it
[04:39] <grazie> k
[04:39] <hyper_ch> ln -s /media/sda1/vbox /home/user/.VirtualBox
[04:40] <grazie> hyper_ch: also mounting a vb image from linux is possible?
[04:46] <hyper_ch> grazie: ???
[04:48] <mpmc> Hi, I'm looking for a simple MSN Messenger client (Not, GAIM, Amsn, Nor text based ones)
[04:48] <mpmc> I
[04:48] <hyper_ch> kopete
[04:48] <mpmc> Nor that :P
[04:48] <hyper_ch> then good luck
[04:48] <grazie> hyper_ch: mount -t ??? -o ??? /home/user/.VirtualBox/VDI/image.vdi /mnt
[04:49] <hyper_ch> grazie: try it
[04:49] <hyper_ch> grazie: althought I don't think that this works
[04:49] <grazie> hyper_ch: I'll read up
[04:50] <hyper_ch> grazie: you may want to ask in #vbox
[04:50] <mpmc> grazie: You were here last night, can you remember what Messenger client someone recommended that I try?
[04:50] <grazie> nope
[04:51] <grazie> !log | mpmc
[04:51] <ubotu> mpmc: Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[04:51] <grazie> mpmc: search the log
[04:53] <mpmc> I am :P
[04:54] <mpmc> Call me blind, but I can't find any of my messages in the logs :P
[04:55] <mpmc> Oh
[04:55] <mpmc> It's a day out of date, :P
[04:56] <grazie> mpmc: Emesene
[04:56] <mpmc> Yeah..
[04:57] <grazie> mpmc: it's there in the logs
[04:57] <mpmc> I know
[04:57] <mpmc> I was looking in the wrong log :P
[04:59] <siegfried__> the default debian installation has a nice program that is a GUI version of smbclient that will enumerate all the samba servers and then let me enumerate each samba server. (I wonder if this program is nautilaus?)  Is there a similar GUI program that I can install on xubuntu?
[04:59] <hyper_ch> enumerate all the samba servers???
[04:59] <hyper_ch> what is that program called?
[05:00] <communist_pope> How long would it take to boot xubuntu from cd, for install, on a 128mb ram with 266mhz
[05:00] <siegfried__> It was in the menu under networks. I think it was "show servers".
[05:01] <tuxcrafter> hello, i have a question. the website links in a pdf opened with evince-gtk in xubutu 6.10 are not working. How do i solve this?
[05:01] <hyper_ch> what was the program's name?
[05:01] <hyper_ch> communist_pope: take alternate install cd and it'll be about 40min
[05:01] <siegfried__> I did not know how to find out.
[05:02] <communist_pope> hyper_ch: where can i download the alternative?
[05:02] <sacater> grazie: how do i route my laptops web connection through my Main pc
[05:02] <maxamillion> communist_pope: www.xubuntu.com/get
[05:02] <grazie> :)
[05:05] <grazie> maxamillion: is there an evince pdf browser plugin? I didn't think there was
[05:06] <maxamillion> grazie: evince? ... not that i know of, but there should be the adobe plugin for firefox on the i386 platform
[05:06] <tuxcrafter> The website links in a pdf opened with evince-gtk in xubutu 6.10 are not working. When run from the commanline no information is given when the website links do not open a browser.
[05:06] <grazie> tuxcrafter: read ^^
[05:06] <maxamillion> tuxcrafter: will they not download?
[05:07] <grazie> tuxcrafter: the adobe plugin details are here >> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_PDF_Reader_.28Adobe_Reader.29_with_Plug-in_for_Mozilla_Firefox
[05:07] <tuxcrafter> grazie: maxamillion: when opening a link nothing happens
[05:07] <tuxcrafter> grazie: I dont want to have pdf opening in firefox
[05:07] <maxamillion> tuxcrafter: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25685.html
[05:07] <grazie> maxamillion: ta
[05:08] <maxamillion> grazie: ta?
[05:08] <grazie> thankyou
[05:08] <maxamillion> grazie: ah, rgr ... np
[05:08] <tuxcrafter> damm i must be very unclear about my problem
[05:08] <grazie> maxamillion: northern english slang :)
[05:09] <maxamillion> grazie: apparently there is a way to embed evince in firefox, but it doesn't appear to be a standard "plugin"
[05:09] <maxamillion> grazie: rgr
[05:09] <grazie> tuxcrafter: what do you want to do?
[05:10] <tuxcrafter> In some pdf files there are links to websites and emails that someone can clink on an the webrowser will open this link. When a website links in a pdf file opened with evince-gtk in xubutu 6.10 are clickt they do nothing. They are not working. When run from the commanline no information is given when the website links do not open a browser. How can we solve this problem?
[05:10] <kalikiana> maxamillion: that link speaks about embedding evince in firefox, doesn't it?
[05:10] <maxamillion> kalikiana: sure does
[05:11] <kalikiana> so does it work/ is it reasonable to use?
[05:11] <maxamillion> tuxcrafter: please do not double post, you just said the same thing a moment ago ... did you look at the link i sent you?
[05:13] <maxamillion> kalikiana: no clue ... i don't bother, when i click a pdf link i am asked if i want to open it with xpdf or save to disk and that works perfectly for me, i think having firefox handle pdfs with a plugin is asking for a memory hemmorage and probable/possible firefox or X crash ... but that's just my opinion
[05:13] <tuxcrafter> maxamillion: the link is about opening pdf file in firefox correct? This is not my problem. i want to open a website link in a pdf file :-D
[05:13] <grazie> tuxcrafter: ah right! no idea  sorry
[05:13] <maxamillion> tuxcrafter: ohhhhhh!!!!
[05:14] <maxamillion> tuxcrafter: open the pdf in xpdf, highlight the link and copy/paste it into the broswer
[05:14] <tuxcrafter> maxamillion: what was so unclear on the description of my post maybe you can tell me so i can work on ti
[05:14] <tuxcrafter> it
[05:14] <maxamillion> tuxcrafter: nothing, it was my fault ... mis-interpretation sorry about that
[05:15] <kalikiana> maxamillion, i asked only because i wondered if it might work w/o instability and memory hunger - which is apparently a dream. so i'll keep opening files standalone :)
[05:16] <tuxcrafter> maxamillion: it is the purposes that the link can be automatically open there for the functionality in evince when right clinking on a link en select open link is there. but this is not working in my xubuntu. how can we solve it (not asking for alternatives)
[05:17] <maxamillion> kalikiana: i would assume evince to be less of a mem hog then adobe, but i still worry because firefox in all of its glory enjoys dying without warning
[05:17] <kalikiana> tuxcrafter, maybe x-www-browser is defective?
[05:17] <tuxcrafter> kalikiana: yes maybe what was that command again to select the default browser
[05:17] <maxamillion> tuxcrafter: ohhh, ok ... its also possible that evince doesn't know what your default broswer is, let me install evince real quick so i can take a look at its options
[05:18] <tuxcrafter> maxamillion: (evince-gtk)! xubuntu
[05:18] <kalikiana> maxamillion, it might actually make even worse what happens when trackerd, folding@home and many tabs are fighting for a place on the 'top' ten :P
[05:18] <maxamillion> tuxcrafter: ah, rgr
[05:19] <maxamillion> kalikiana: lol
[05:19] <tuxcrafter> maxamillion: (btw links in xpdf are working fine
[05:19] <kalikiana> tuxcrafter, I had a problem with the different symlinks like x-www-browser and the others but I just re-created the links manually because that dpkg-reconfigure-something didn't work for me
[05:19] <maxamillion> tuxcrafter: interesting
[05:21] <tuxcrafter> maxamillion: (but mailto links in xpdf are not working but it is trying someting (cpu load)
[05:21] <tuxcrafter> you can test links for example by making a pdf with open office that contains weblinks and email links
[05:22] <maxamillion> rgr
[05:23] <tuxcrafter> (btw (by the way) what means rgr
[05:27] <maxamillion> tuxcrafter: rgr is short hand for "roger" or "acknowledged"
[05:28] <tuxcrafter> maxamillion: oke thanks, have you find the place where evince is configuring its default browser and email tool
[05:28] <maxamillion> tuxcrafter: honestly, this appears to be a bug and i would suggest you report it to launchpad
[05:28] <tuxcrafter> ~/.gnome2/evince
[05:28] <maxamillion> tuxcrafter: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu <-- launchpad, bug tracking system for ubuntu
[05:29] <tuxcrafter> maxamillion: do you have the time to fill it??
[05:30] <tuxcrafter> maxamillion: i also have printing problems with evince gtk and xubuntu
[05:30] <maxamillion> :(
[05:31] <maxamillion> tuxcrafter: you running edgy?
[05:31] <tuxcrafter> maxamillion: of course :-D
[05:31] <maxamillion> ok
[05:31] <maxamillion> tuxcrafter: i386?
[05:32] <tuxcrafter> maxamillion: but i am a advanced user and have find a hole list of possible bugs
[05:32] <tuxcrafter> maxamillion: yes i368 but that should not matter do?
[05:33] <maxamillion> tuxcrafter: of course it matters, because the binary is compiled for i386 so if you submit a bug report for a package on i386, it might not pertain to amd64 or powerpc
[05:33] <tuxcrafter> yes oke sorry :-D
[05:33] <maxamillion> no worries
[05:34] <maxamillion> i think launchpad might be down or something ... the bug link isn't available :(
[05:37] <kalikiana> maxamillion: would you be able to help me compiling a tarball?
[05:37] <maxamillion> kalikiana: sure
[05:38] <sacater> launchpad isnt down cos im using it
[05:38] <maxamillion> sacater: i know the whole site isn't down, but are you able to see the bug reports?
[05:38] <sacater> yes
[05:38] <sacater> wanna screenshot
[05:39] <maxamillion> no ... just curious why i can't
[05:39] <maxamillion> :(
[05:39] <sacater> it took a while to load mind you
[05:39] <maxamillion> kalikiana: actually ... i have to go to class in like 10 minutes so i might not be of much help
[05:39] <kalikiana> I would like to compile osb-browser and it fails by missing g_thread_init which has to do with libgthread
[05:39] <mpmc> God, I really hate Gaim :P
[05:39] <kalikiana> maxamillion: that'd be okay, my life doesn't depend on compiling it now :P
[05:40] <maxamillion> mpmc: gaim suffices for things like aim, jabber, etc. ... but i need irssi in my life for irc :)
[05:40] <maxamillion> kalikiana: rgr
[05:40] <maxamillion> kalikiana: misses g_thread_init ... you sure you have a new enough version of libgthread or even have it installed at all?
[05:41] <mpmc> maxamillion: Yeah, I only use IRC / MSN.. I really hate it I just want something simple...
[05:41] <kalikiana> maxamillion, i think so. ought to be in glib afaik
[05:41] <kalikiana> and configure didn't fail
[05:42] <maxamillion> config didn't fail but make does?
[05:42] <maxamillion> .... no good
[05:43] <kalikiana> yep, so since .in and .am files are present, would that be any helpful? like recreating the makefile or something?
[05:43] <kalikiana> sadly there is nothing in the readme and it's no svn archive
[05:44] <maxamillion> glorious ... and you have build-essential installed i assume since it passed the ./configure?
[05:45] <kalikiana> yep, sure compiled several things already.
[05:46] <maxamillion> yeah ... i'm at a loss, its probably an issue with the make file
[05:46] <kalikiana> so should i try to add -lgthread somewhere?
[05:47] <maxamillion> you could try ... worst case scenario is that it still won't compile
[05:47] <maxamillion> annnnnnnd class
[05:47] <maxamillion> i'll bbl
[05:47] <kalikiana> ciao :)
[05:47] <max_at_class> laters
[05:48] <tuxcrafter> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/poppler/+bug/77186
[05:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 77186 in poppler "http links don't work correctly" [Low,Fix committed] 
[05:50] <tuxcrafter> wo thats not the bug beheavur i have sorry!
[06:27] <siegfried__> I would like to install a g85 printer on my new xubuntu system. Do I start with pointing a browser at http://localhost:631 (what is the port for CUPS? I forogot).
[06:57] <Vilhelms> I installed xubuntu-desktop and was wondering if its possible to upgrade to XFCE 4.4.
[06:57] <kalikiana> Vilhems, not through the repos, until feisty that is.
[06:58] <kalikiana> however you might download the graphical installer and install it to /usr manually.
[06:58] <Vilhelms> kalikiana, So could I do it if I download the source and compile it? Or is it too risky?
[06:59] <kalikiana> Vilhems, I did that and it works fine. Just a) use the installer (or it may get a bit more complicated) and b) install to /usr
[06:59] <kalikiana> if you use a different prefix it may break your existing installation.
[07:00] <siegfried__> I'm reading http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_a_printer -- is this appropriate for xubuntu? It says Go to "System -> Administration -> Printing" but I don't have such a menu entry.
[07:00] <kalikiana> actually compiling from source works of course. but installing to /usr/local is no good thing.
[07:00] <Vilhelms> kalikiana, Where should I compile it then?
[07:01] <Vilhelms> kalikiana, The compile path is done with ./configure prefix=/path/ right?
[07:01] <kalikiana> siegfried__, there are different apps in 'generic' ubuntu, so look in settings->.. instead
[07:02] <kalikiana> Vilhelms, if you compile manually, yes, e.g. ./configure prefix=/usr
[07:02] <siegfried__> Printer system settings? That just displays some version numbers and allows me to select cups.
[07:03] <grazie> Vilhelms: you don't have to compile unless you want to...there's a .deb package available
[07:03] <Vilhelms> grazie, Ohh okay :)
[07:05] <kalikiana> grazie, for xubuntu < feisty? i didn't know about that
[07:05] <grazie> kalikiana: ?
[07:05] <Vilhelms> i'm on edgy, is there a deb for edgy? ( i think thats what kalikiana is saying )
[07:06] <Vilhelms> Would the debian deb package work for Ubuntu/edgy?
[07:07] <Vilhelms> I don't know much about their compatibility lol
[07:07] <kalikiana> yeah, I only know about a xubuntu feisty package of xfce stable
[07:07] <grazie> Vilhelms: at xfce.org there's the installer (which includes the compiled package)... .deb was wrong term to use
[07:08] <kalikiana> grazie, it'd be wrong to call it compiled, but easily joined :)
[07:08] <grazie> kalikiana: yes ok
[07:09] <Vilhelms> so use the .run file?
[07:09] <kalikiana> in any case, the installer takes good care of compilation steps in the right orders :)
[07:09] <kalikiana> Vilhelms, yes, that'd be the easiest
[07:09] <Vilhelms> kalikiana, so in a .run do i haev to do the whole <filename>.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/edgy?
[07:09] <Vilhelms> i rememer doing that with my video card drivers...
[07:09] <Vilhelms> or do i just excute it?
[07:09] <maxamillion> siegfried__: i don't know entirely what you are trying to do, i just scanned the logs but with printing I generally install the gnome printer config tool, it doesn't pull many dependancies and makes life a whole lot easier
[07:10] <kalikiana> Vilhelms, just execute it
[07:10] <Vilhelms> kalikiana, alright :) thanks so much!
[07:11] <kalikiana> Vilhelms, it'll tell you about missing dependencies. by the way you can sefely enable 'optimizations' for x86 :)
[07:11] <kalikiana> I'm off now. ciao!
[07:12] <Vilhelms> kalikiana, have a good one, thanks for the tips :)
[07:12] <kalikiana> see you :)
[07:13] <_siegfried_> Why does http://localhost:631 say file not found? When I go to the services menu, I see a list of services including cupsys and its checkbox is selected. I click OK but that does not help.
[07:13] <Vilhelms> ahh when i opened the .run it opened in gedit :(
[07:14] <gebura> hello everybody
[07:14] <gebura> i have a question:
[07:14] <maxamillion> shoot
[07:15] <gebura> is xfce 4.4 inclued in latest xubuntu ?
[07:15] <gebura> (i don't know very well ubuntu , and i haven't found packages.debian.org alike
[07:15] <gebura> )
[07:16] <gebura> if it's not included does anybody have an idea about when it will be done ?
[07:16] <maxamillion> gebura: technically, yes ... xfce4.4-beta2 is but because of the stable package freeze at the end of the development cycle for edgy (6.10 - most recent stable release) we were unable to include xfce4.4-final/stable release .... it will be included in feisty though that will release in april
[07:16] <maxamillion> packages.ubuntu.com
[07:17] <maxamillion> if you would look to search for packages that way
[07:17] <gebura> loving you :)
[07:17] <maxamillion> :D
[07:17] <maxamillion> i try, i try
[07:17] <grazie> maxamillion: no ever loves me!
[07:18] <grazie> *nobody
[07:18] <maxamillion> grazie: what can i say, i'm just a lovable guy :P
[07:18] <grazie> so true
[07:18] <gebura> so if i install a feistry now ( or i install a edgy and upgrade) i will get this versions ?
[07:18] <gebura> feisty
[07:19] <maxamillion> gebura: yes, but feisty is still in alpha stages of development, so its stability is not certain
[07:20] <maxamillion> gebura: there really isn't a big feature difference between the edgy version and feisty version, just that it has been released as officially stable in feisty ... i might recommend waiting for feisty unless you consider youself an advanced user .... feisty is roughly equivalent to debian's sid branch in its current state
[07:22] <gebura> i consider myself as an advanced user but it 's not for , its for a friend you don't know every thing in computer/computer sciences, if you said that it is like sid , i don't think it's a good idea but if it's like testing maybe i can be good
[07:23] <gebura> some feature of 4.4 are very important for me if i want to make a great desktop for user who don't know every thing
[07:23] <maxamillion> its still too early in the development cycle for me to say it would be as stable as debian-testing branch ...
[07:23] <gebura> (like support of hal, usb key/drive discover...)
[07:23] <maxamillion> gebura: i agree and edgy has 4.4 ... but its the beta2, not the official release
[07:23] <maxamillion> gebura: that's all there ... i use my usb key all the time, plug it in and the icon pops up on the desktop
[07:24] <maxamillion> double click the icon and Thunar jumps into action
[07:25] <gebura> tou said that is it is a beta , it is stable ?
[07:25] <gebura> you sorry
[07:27] <gebura> 4.4-beta2
[07:27] <maxamillion> gebura: yes, its stable ... i run it on 6 different machines (3 at work, 3 at home) 1 PowerPC G4, 3 i386, 2 amd64 and none of them have any problems
[07:28] <gebura> ok, great
[07:28] <maxamillion> one of them is a test implementation server that i just left the gui for kicks
[07:28] <gebura> i think i will install a edgy
[07:28] <maxamillion> :)
[07:30] <gebura> may thanks :)
[07:30] <gebura> many
[07:31] <Vilhelms> Is /home/jfanaian/local a good place to install xfce4.4?
[07:32] <maxamillion> Vilhelms: i don't recommend you install xfce4.4 at all ... many have tried, i haven't heard of a successful attempt thus far
[07:32] <Vilhelms> maxamillion, Oh really? I asked earlier and no one said anything about it
[07:32] <Vilhelms> maxamillion, I'm just having a few  problems with icons in xfce now and I figured upgrading might fix it
[07:33] <maxamillion> Vilhelms: yes, the icons issue was something that was still unstable at beta2 so the xubuntu core devs kinda did a "work around" in order to make it more stable, but it did make creating desktop icons a tad tricky
[07:34] <maxamillion> Vilhelms: actually .... here you go .. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=350508&highlight=xfce+4.4
[07:34] <Vilhelms> maxamillion, I'm not making icons... its just the icons get corrupted everytime something changes in the taskbar like opening an app that shows up in the app list
[07:34] <Vilhelms> maxamillion, but when I hover over them they look fine again
[07:35] <maxamillion> Vilhelms: ahhh ... yeah, that could be something they fixed in the final release ... check that forum link i showed you, it looks like somone made an edgy backport package of xfce4.4
[07:36] <Vilhelms> maxamillion, Alright I will try that :) Thank you so much!
[07:36] <maxamillion> no problem :)
[07:37] <grazie> maxamillion: I know kalikiana has had success installing xfce4.4 and someone else that I can't recall too
[07:39] <grazie> ..but can't see much point myself
[07:40] <maxamillion> grazie: oh ... huh, well that's good .. atleast i know it can be done, and i can't see any point either ... i am just going to wait till feisty, from the tour on xfce.org i don't see anything different between beta2 and final
[07:42] <grazie> maxamillion: bug fixes and real transparency...
[07:42] <maxamillion> grazie: real transparency? ... the compositor was in 4.2
[07:43] <grazie> maxamillion: that's pseudo transparency
[07:43] <maxamillion> grazie: oh, they using aiglx now?
[07:43] <grazie> maxamillion: haven't looked up the details yet
[07:44] <grazie> maxamillion: what's your view on the ubuntu + ppc issue?
[07:45] <maxamillion> i'm angry
[07:45] <grazie> i'm confused
[07:45] <maxamillion> PowerPC is, has, and always will be the superior platform and if more and more people stop supporting it, it go the way of the DEC Alpha
[07:46] <maxamillion> it will*
[07:47] <grazie> maxamillion: from my point of view, my mac is the best machine I have by fare and it's got 3-5 or more years of life in it
[07:48] <maxamillion> well ... once debian releases etch stable i think you should transition over that direction because i don't doubt that powerpc ubuntu will completely die off
[07:48] <grazie> maxamillion: beginning to think testing feisty on ppc could be a complete waste of time
[07:49] <grazie> maxamillion: more likely to focus on gentoo again
[07:50] <grazie> maxamillion: there's even talk of a new ppc distro ...I can't remember the name now
[07:51] <maxamillion> that would be interesting
[07:51] <maxamillion> actually .... terrasoft is supposed to release YellowDog5 for the desktop soon, and as much as i don't like that they are FC based, they have always been really good at supporting ppc
[07:52] <grazie> like gentoo a lot, but compiling absolutely everything can be a drag
[07:53] <grazie> maxamillion: tried yellowdog once v.briefly though ...didn't like it
[07:54] <grazie> maxamillion: do you think I'm wasting time testing feisty on ppc?
[07:55] <maxamillion> grazie: uhmmm... i hate to be a downer, but yes
[07:56] <grazie> maxamillion: thanks for saying what you think
[07:57] <maxamillion> no problem ... i just really think that by the time feisty+1 comes around that powerpc ubuntu will be dead and it wouldn't be worth spending time working with it ... just go out and find a solid alternative you enjoy and stick with it
[07:58] <grazie> maxamillion: never got round to trying crux
[07:59] <grazie> maxamillion: also there's quite a few ubuntu ppc users. what are they supposed to do?
[07:59] <jlist> hi all. I have a question about vi. When I use the arrow keys on my keyboard, letter A/B/C/D is put on screen before the current line
[07:59] <maxamillion> grazie: don't know ... the story is that powerpc will become community supported but i think it will be short lived
[07:59] <jlist> how can I use arrow keys as arrows? I don't have this problem on kubuntu
[07:59] <maxamillion> jlist: did you hit esc first to make sure you weren't in insert mode?
[08:00] <jlist> i am in insert mode. But I can still use arrow keys in insert mode on kubuntu vi
[08:00] <jlist> could it be a default vi setting issue?
[08:00] <maxamillion> jlist: i can use the arrow keys on my vi right now, default install
[08:01] <neozen> hoallo all
[08:01] <maxamillion> neozen: j0
[08:01] <jlist> maxamillion: that's strange.
[08:01] <grazie> jlist: you can configure vi/vim to use arrow keys in insert mode, but I'd have to find the details
[08:01] <maxamillion> jlist: very strange
[08:01] <neozen> ....vim should start with arrow keys mapping correctly
[08:02] <jlist> i have the same problem for ubuntu. only kubuntu works fine
[08:02] <grazie> jlist: only kubuntu is configured like that...
[08:02] <maxamillion> jlist: you using vi, vim, or gvim?
[08:02] <jlist> grazie: i find vim work fine, but not vi
[08:02] <neozen> he's probably using vi
[08:02] <jlist> i'm using vim now
[08:02] <jlist> sorry
[08:02] <grazie> jlist: oh I see
[08:03] <jlist> i'm using vi now
[08:03] <neozen> with vim... they work correctly
[08:03] <neozen> vim is good
[08:03] <jlist> yeah. that is the case. any idea why vi works on kubuntu but not xubuntu/ubuntu?
[08:03] <maxamillion> yeah ... in vim on my end they work correctly, lemme test with vi
[08:03] <maxamillion> jlist: no clue, its the same package on all three distros
[08:04] <neozen> vim works just fine from install w/ xubuntu dapper
[08:04] <neozen> (I should remember I don't use the most up to date version)
[08:04] <jlist> yes, vim works fine on u/xu/kubuntu
[08:05] <grazie> :)
[08:05] <jlist> but vi only works on kubuntu, not on the other two
[08:05] <jlist> being a novice linux user, i don't really know the difference between vi and vim ;-p
[08:05] <neozen> I can't understand how people dealt w/o multi-level undo
[08:05] <neozen> vim.....is god
[08:05] <grazie> jlist: use vim :)
[08:05] <maxamillion> jlist: there isn't much, but vim is better
[08:05] <maxamillion> well ... i take that back ... there is alot
[08:05] <neozen> vim has multi level undo
[08:05] <neozen> ...vi only has one undo
[08:06] <neozen> ...that's enough difference for me
[08:06] <maxamillion> gvim makes me smile ... best of both worlds
[08:06] <neozen> ...gvim kind of scary
[08:06] <maxamillion> really?
[08:06] <neozen> yeah
[08:06] <neozen> I'm a terminal fanatic
[08:06] <neozen> ...until it comes to configuring things
[08:07] <neozen> ....then... I yearn for a gui
[08:07] <neozen> ..but when coding....
[08:07] <maxamillion> i'm a terminal junkie as well, but there are certain features of the gui that i can appreciate
[08:07] <grazie> vi in a gui app...my brain couldn't cope with that :)
[08:07] <maxamillion> lol
[08:07] <neozen> I want nothing distracting me from what I'm working on
[08:07] <jlist> ok i'll remember to use vim next time :) just tried gvim and it doesn't seem to exist on my installation
[08:07] <Vilhelms> maxamillion, cool the upgrade worked! :)
[08:07] <neozen> ...I've got a general question again
[08:07] <neozen> ....concerning sound
[08:08] <neozen> ....sound is working fine
[08:08] <maxamillion> jlist: "sudo aptitude install vim-gtk" then the command is "gvim"
[08:08] <maxamillion> neozen: ok
[08:08] <neozen> ...but I can't use more then one sound app at once
[08:08] <maxamillion> Vilhelms: awesome! good to know
[08:08] <Vilhelms> maxamillion, Thanks for the help :)
[08:08] <maxamillion> neozen: yeah, i dunno
[08:08] <maxamillion> Vilhelms: anytime
[08:08] <neozen> really?
[08:09] <neozen> ye can't help?
[08:09] <grazie> Vilhelms: that was pretty quick
[08:09] <maxamillion> neozen: i've never really tried to use more than 1 application at a time to access the sound device ... lemme try
[08:09] <Vilhelms> grazie, Haha, I had finished it for like 10mins before I got in and said something but yeah it went by quick :)
[08:09] <neozen> kk
[08:10] <grazie> neozen: you read the sound troubleshooting guide?
[08:10] <neozen> .....where be that?
[08:10] <jlist> maxamillion: 24.2MB download for vim-gtk?
[08:10] <neozen> lol
[08:10] <neozen> yeah... that sounds about right
[08:11] <neozen> .....I've just stopped paying attention to the size of packages
[08:11] <maxamillion> jlist: i guess ... its been so long since i installed
[08:11] <neozen> ....the joys of a 60gb drive
[08:11] <jlist> it's ... large
[08:11] <neozen> yes... yes it is
[08:11] <grazie> neozen: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[08:12] <grazie> neozen: if you get no joy with that one, there's a couple of others you can try
[08:12] <neozen> gazie: thankee
[08:14] <jlist> thanks all for the help
[08:14] <maxamillion> neozen: yeah .... mine is able to have 2 media players access the sound card at once
[08:15] <jlist> since i'm running it on vm with limited hd space, i'll skip gvim for now :)
[08:15] <neozen> hmm
[08:15] <neozen> got it
[08:15] <neozen> ..its my card
[08:15] <neozen> ...apparently famous for issues
[08:15] <neozen> hda-intel
[08:15] <maxamillion> :P
[08:17] <neozen> I think I found a mini-guide concerning it here: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?module=hda-intel just in case anyone else has the same issue
[08:17] <neozen> or just uses this card
[08:18] <maxamillion> neozen: could help ;)
[08:18] <cellofellow> On my families other computer, a Compaq, the onboard sound is broken, so there's a PCI sound card with some nice features. But whenever I boot Linux on it (usually Knoppix-based.) it chooses the broken onboard sound. Can't get it to use the PCI.
[08:18] <neozen> ...I've noticed the volume is quieter then windows w/ whatever the default installed driver is
[08:18] <cellofellow> Windows is noisy and brazen.
[08:18] <neozen> ...and the sound starts to distort heavily (even in headphones!!) when volume approaches 90%
[08:18] <neozen> ..can't be good right?
[08:19] <maxamillion> neozen: that is just something you need to change in the levels of the volume control panel plugin ... that distortion thing happened to me
[08:20] <maxamillion> neozen: the PCM level is what did it for me
[08:20] <cellofellow> I've noticed that all XMMS's volume slider does is move the PCM level.
[08:20] <maxamillion> cellofellow: lol, xmms doesn't do it but i noticed that gxine does
[08:22] <cellofellow> I think XMMS does though.
[08:22] <maxamillion> it might
[08:22] <maxamillion> well ... no, it doesn't on mine actually
[08:22] <maxamillion> no .. yeah, cellofellow you are right ... it does
[08:22] <cellofellow> ok :)
[08:22] <neozen> yeah... I'm just going to install this driver
[08:23] <maxamillion> neozen: hope it works out for ya
[08:24] <neozen> yeah... I'll just keep reading up
[08:25] <neozen> just didn't know if it was an easy fix or not
[08:26] <maxamillion> if there is a package, yes .. otherwise, it can get messy
[08:28] <cellofellow> compiling kernel modules is a hit-and-miss ordeal.
[08:29] <maxamillion> yes ... yes it is
[08:31] <cellofellow> only one I've successfully compiled is kqemu
[08:34] <maxamillion> only one i ever needed to compile was a pcmcia-ethernet card module for an oooold laptop like 5 years ago but then the kernel update right after that had it built in
[08:34] <grazie> cellofellow: kqemu...no. have you not tried virtualbox?
[08:34] <cellofellow> kqemu is open source now.
[08:34] <cellofellow> no, what's virtualbox?
[08:35] <grazie> it's fantastic!
[08:35] <grazie> !virtualbox
[08:35] <ubotu> VirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. Packages for Ubuntu are provided by the makers at http://www.virtualbox.org/ - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox
[08:35] <maxamillion> cellofellow: virtual box is like qemu with sugar on top ... it has a nice gui and such
[08:35] <cellofellow> I don't actually USE virtualization, just dapple with it.
[08:36] <cellofellow> ok. Qemu with scripts works here.
[08:36] <grazie> maxamillion: i never had much joy with qemu..but that's ppc memories prolly
[08:37] <maxamillion> well ... emulation of another processor architecture not native to your hardware is never fun
[08:37] <cellofellow> qemu, the emulation part with no virtualization. (using a software CPU) is REALLY slow. ad kqemu and you get virtualization and it's much faster.
[08:37] <jlist> virtualbox - how does it compare with vmware?
[08:38] <grazie> maxamillion: ah yes but ppc on ppc was no fun either
[08:38] <cellofellow> grazie: like you can use QEMU to create an emulated software PPC on an Intel.
[08:38] <maxamillion> grazie: oh ... hmmm
[08:38] <cellofellow> grazie: plus there's no virtualization plugin similar to kqemu for PPC.
[08:38] <maxamillion> true
[08:38] <grazie> jlist: i think it's better, but I only installed it yesterday
[08:38] <cellofellow> so, it's just emulation
[08:39] <maxamillion> jlist: i read a review of the two side by side and the editor liked virtualbox better overall
[08:39] <cellofellow> I saw benchmarks of qemu vs. qemu with kqemu vs qemu with Linux's kvm and kqemu won.
[08:40] <cellofellow> I'll try virtualbox anyways
[08:40] <maxamillion> cellofellow: don't doubt it ... kqemu is rock-tastic
[08:40] <jlist> oh. good to know. thanks. i've been using vmware on windows and run linux as guest os, not sure if virtualbox helps me in that :)
[08:41] <cellofellow> don't run a VM in a VM. :)
[08:41] <cellofellow> not good idea.
[08:41] <grazie> a bad kqemu update crashed my kernel recently though
[08:41] <maxamillion> cellofellow: lol ... double virtualization!!! :P
[08:42] <maxamillion> grazie: :(
[08:42] <cellofellow> I updated kqemu when Linux 2.6.17-11 came around and I need to recompile.
[08:43] <jlist> cellofellow: ox actually has a windows version :)
[08:43] <jlist> cellofellow: virtualbox actually has a windows version
[08:44] <cellofellow> well, cool. I'm not planning on VM's on any of my window's boxes though. The one over next to me is a PIII with 96MB RAM. Talk about slow.
[08:44] <maxamillion> well... i think i need to get going on some work stuffs, i'll bbl
[08:46] <cellofellow> one cool trick with qemu+kqemu is I can run `sudo qemu -hda /dev/hda` and boot from my current drive, if I was dual booting this would be awesome.
[08:47] <neozen> GAH
[08:47] <neozen> ...it worked just fine
[08:47] <cellofellow> cool
[08:47] <neozen> didn't even have to fix something
[08:47] <neozen> ...just had to tell mplayer to use alsa
[08:47] <jlist> do you guys think xubuntu works better (faster) than windows on those old P3 boxes?
[08:48] <jlist> i'm running xubuntu on vmware now, so i can not tell. But it's slower than vmware-ed windows though
[08:48] <cellofellow> not really done an apples-to-apples test but does here
[08:50] <jlist> i see.
[08:50] <fxr> hi i updated 2 packages from a third party repo, libwnck-common libwnck18, can i downgrade these packages to wht there were previously, i have just down the upgrade via apt-get
[08:50] <fxr> down = done
[08:51] <cellofellow> I think aptitude can downgrade things, but not sure how.
[08:52] <grazie> fxr: using synaptic may be easier
[08:52] <jlist> btw, a more general question about xubuntu. xubuntu uses two desktop bars (start bar, task bar) but i actually like the combined bar better, as in windows and kde. Is there any way to have that on xubuntu/ubuntu?
[08:52] <cellofellow> synaptic is nice, but aptitude has lots of features that apt (and synaptic by default) don't have
[08:52] <neozen> indeed
[08:52] <neozen> me likey aptitude
[08:53] <grazie> cellofellow: true. just for ease of doing what fxr wants...I'd do it with synaptic
[08:54] <cellofellow> If synaptic can download things, then go for it.
[08:54] <cellofellow> I don't know
[08:54] <neozen> I wish the ubuntu documenters would do a mass search for apt-get and replace it with aptitude
[08:54] <cellofellow> for the commands?
[08:54] <fxr> ok found the options in synaptic.. thaanks grazie
[08:55] <grazie> fxr: np
[08:55] <cellofellow> actually, I use apt-get for some things. like when I dist-upgraded from Dapper and and installed the xubuntu-desktop package.
[09:00] <jlist> xubuntu uses two desktop bars (start bar, task bar) but i actually like the combined bar better, as in windows and kde. Is there any way to have that on xubuntu/ubuntu?
[09:02] <cellofellow> jlist: just customize it that way.
[09:03] <cellofellow> mine is like this: (or was actually, I reverted to the original Xubunut style the other day.) http://mellowcellofellow.googlepages.com/screenshots
[09:05] <jlist> hmm. how did you do that - to show tasks in the start bar?
[09:06] <cellofellow> put Icon Box panel applet in there. Right click the bar and click Add Item, there's lots of stuff in there.
[09:06] <cellofellow> Default is Task List, Icon Box is an alternative.
[09:07] <jlist> oh i see. i'll try that. i suppose it'll work for ubuntu as well. currently running ubuntu vm :)
[09:12] <jlist> cellofellow: it works well! Now I'd like to not show the original start bar. how should I do that?
[09:13] <cellofellow> right click, Customize Panel, select the one you want to remove, and then click the "-" minus button.
[09:13] <jlist> not a button, but the whole bar?
[09:14] <cellofellow> you can move the button around. Right click it and click Move. All objects on the panel are like that actually. You may have to fiddle with moving the System Tray.
[09:15] <jlist> now i have two bars, the orignal start bar and the modified task bar. I don't need the original start bar any more. How can I get rid of the whole bar?
[09:15] <cellofellow> by removing it in the Customize Panels dialog
[09:16] <neozen> ..grr
[09:20] <jlist> cellofellow: thanks. that might be xubuntu specific. I can not see that option in ubuntu
[09:20] <cellofellow> yeah, it's Xubuntu specific.
[09:20] <cellofellow> I didn't realize you were using GNOME, sorry I may have messed something up
[09:20] <cellofellow> I never messed with panels in GNOME.
[09:24] <jlist> not really. adding a button to the task bar actually worked. the two bars work pretty much the same as in gnome
[09:25] <cellofellow> well, you still got me on how to remove or move a panel. Look around in the available config dialogs.
[09:28] <jlist> i actually think gnome is a little too inflexible.
[09:28] <hyper__ch> jlist: don't use gnome then
[09:28] <jlist> xubuntu seems to be a good balance between gnome and kde
[09:28] <jlist> but i had some problems installing xubuntu on vmware, and some crashes with apps
[09:29] <hyper_ch> you could use e17
[09:30] <cellofellow> configurable and unstable to no end I've heard.
[09:30] <jlist> unstable to no end?
[09:31] <jlist> that sounds bad to me
[09:31] <cellofellow> just not Stable version.
[09:31] <jlist> well, i hope xubuntu will get more stable, especially with apps and apps selection
[09:32] <jlist> i'll definitely try it later
[09:32] <hyper_ch> e17 runs fine for me
[09:32] <cellofellow> Feisty Fawn, the Alpha version of Xubuntu, has XFCE 4.4 Stable.
[09:32] <cellofellow> as opposed to the 4.4 Beta 2 in Edgy.
[09:33] <hyper_ch> is there a rss feed of slashdot?
[09:34] <cellofellow> I've one on my Google Homepage. Couldn't tell you the address. There should be a little RSS icon in Firefox at that site.
[09:35] <grazie> hyper_ch: how did you get e17 installed?
[09:36] <hyper_ch> there is a project
[09:36] <grazie> hyper_ch: you built from source?
[09:36] <hyper_ch> no, there's a deb
[09:36] <cellofellow> ebuntu? (or Lightbuntu or whatever it's called now.)
[09:36] <hyper_ch> yeah, ebuntu was it I think
[09:36] <hyper_ch> something similar
[09:37] <hyper_ch> http://www.ebuntu.org/
[09:38] <MightyMountain> Excuse me, I'm attempting to format a SD card using fdisk, but when I've written my partitions, and say "# fdisk -l" I can only see "/dev/sda1", I have three partitions, shouldn't there be an "/dev/sda2" and "/dev/sda3"?
[09:38] <grazie> hyper_ch: but I thought that died?
[09:38] <hyper_ch> grazie: not that I know of
[09:40] <grazie> MightyMountain: if fdisk says you have 1 then you have 1 (I'd say)
[09:41] <MightyMountain> When I go into cfdisk there are three, but they are "sda1p1", and so on.
[09:46] <cellofellow> oops
[09:49] <prairie_dad> hello to all.  same question as yesterday: is there a way to mount a webdav volume using https:// in xubuntu _other_ than using nautilus' "connect to server" command the way one would in a gnome desktop like ubuntu.  I'm trying to limit (eliminate) gnome deps in my xubuntu if possible.  thanks in advance.
[09:49] <cellofellow> well, I think fuse can do that, somehow.
[09:50] <cellofellow> !fuse
[09:50] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[09:50] <cellofellow> not NTFS stupid
[09:50] <cellofellow> !anything
[09:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:51] <cellofellow> !the meaning of life
[09:51] <ubotu> the: Full-screen character mode text editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.1-4 (edgy), package size 277 kB, installed size 796 kB
[09:51] <cellofellow> huh?
[09:51] <hyper_ch> cellofellow: 42
[09:51] <cellofellow> 42?
[09:52] <hyper_ch> the meaning of life, existance, the universe and everything else is 42
[09:52] <cellofellow> oh, really? I was trying to tease the bot.
[09:53] <hyper_ch> cellofellow: you don't know "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"?
[09:53] <cellofellow> nope, sorry
[09:55] <hyper_ch> that explains it :)
[09:58] <rdarch> hey guys, i've got a toshiba satellite laptop. upto date kernel, and am trying to get the internal MMC reader working, with the new kernel it shows when theres a card put in the drive in dmesg and lspci recognises it without need of fiddling. any idea how i can figure out where to mount it from?
[10:02] <grazie> rdarch: you can mount it from anywhere you want...what paramaters you'd need I dunno
[10:03] <rdarch> i'm not questioning where to mount to, for example its the /dev/xxx that i'm looking for
[10:03] <rdarch> are card readers usually sd's, hd's? any of the others?
[10:03] <rdarch> cause /dev/ is awefully big lol
[10:04] <neozen> well all ... I'm off to do work
[10:05] <cellofellow> it's most likely sd
[10:06] <grazie> rdarch: this link may help >> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_SD_and_MMC_card_readers
[10:06] <rdarch> :( i was really hoping you'd not say that lol, cause the only sds that mount are my hard drives. to be honest i wasnt holding out much hope just getting dmesg to recognise something is happening to the device is a stop forward
[10:06] <rdarch> ah thanks :)
[10:08] <cellofellow> usually HAL should allert xfdesktop that there's a new device, and show it on the desktop.
[10:13] <Vilhelms> I'm trying to get the Super (Windows) key to register as a modifier correctly. In xmodmap its set to mod4 but when I go to keyboard settings and try to set a shortcut to lets say <Super>~ for exampe it only reads "grave" without the Super modifier.
[10:14] <cellofellow> Mine I get Super+Super_L happening. It should only say Super in my book.
[10:14] <Vilhelms> :(
[10:14] <cellofellow> Means I'd like to know too
[10:14] <rdarch> ok heres another question. does the xubuntu installer leave a copy of the kernel config somewhere? so i can compile a new kernel based around that template rather than doing it from scratch? cause i suck and it takes many attempts
[10:15] <cellofellow> rdarch: I think you may be able to find what the kernel config is in some development thing somewhere.
[10:17] <rdarch> hmmm thanks
[10:22] <rdarch> sorry guys lol my responses have probably sounded a bit rough, been a long 48 hour day, really appreciate the help.
[10:22] <cellofellow> ok
[10:23] <rdarch> ttfn
[10:30] <hyper_ch> what's the best way to convert a dvd to 4.7gb and make it region free?
[10:35] <cellofellow> rip and burn maybe
[10:36] <hyper_ch> cellofellow: that's the name of a program?
[10:36] <cellofellow> acidrip is a DVD ripper I've heard of.
[10:36] <cellofellow> !acidrip
[10:36] <ubotu> acidrip: ripping and encoding DVD tool using mplayer and mencoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.14-0.2ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 54 kB, installed size 288 kB
[10:36] <cellofellow> looks good to me
[10:36] <hyper_ch> :) I'll test taht
[10:37] <rahmetli> how to convert kubuntu into xubuntu? is there a special script?
[10:38] <hyper_ch> rahmetli: sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[10:38] <hyper_ch> rahmetli: however it will not exactely be the same as if you install from a xubuntu cd
[10:38] <rahmetli> wow i dont have to select each packet individually?
[10:38] <cellofellow> nah. remove all of the kde stuff, by opening aptitude, looking at kubuntu-deskop's dependancies and removing them, and then install xubuntu-desktop
[10:38] <hyper_ch> rahmetli: no, you don't have to do that
[10:39] <rahmetli> i want to have kde to
[10:39] <rahmetli> o
[10:40] <hyper_ch> rahmetli: then just do sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[10:40] <cellofellow> then just install xubuntu-desktop. say yes to using GDM (it'll ask "GDM or KDM" somewhere.) Xscreensaver doesn't like KDM.
[10:40] <rahmetli> ok.but if i log into xfce,will any of the kde programs run ay startup?
[10:40] <rahmetli> any*
[10:41] <cellofellow> no
[10:41] <rahmetli> can we say that it has better performance over kde?
[10:42] <cellofellow> yes yes. I started with Kubuntu but switched.
[10:42] <rahmetli> ok,thank you :) 4 ur help.
[10:42] <rahmetli> going to install it :)
[10:42] <hyper_ch> rahmetli: :)
[10:42] <hyper_ch> rahmetli: it's not as much eyecandy as kde but I don't need that :)
[10:43] <hyper_ch> rahmetli: no need for me to waste system ressources on eyecandy
[10:43] <rahmetli> i dont need it too.
[10:43] <cellofellow> I have eyecandy that DOESN'T waste resources :)
[10:43] <rahmetli> whats that? :)
[10:44] <cellofellow> adesklets is cool
[10:44] <rahmetli> is it 4 xfce?
[10:44] <cellofellow> it's lightweight and has an xfce4 mode
[10:45] <rahmetli> ok thanks again.
[10:46] <rahmetli> how the system settings managed in xfce?
[10:46] <rahmetli> sorry.last question.
[10:48] <cellofellow> there are some basic utilities that come bundled. Users and Network and APT sources and things, but most of the time, I'm editing conf files.
[10:48] <malnilion> Anybody know of any Xubuntu splashes for grub?
[10:50] <rahmetli> now its installing the xfce.
[10:50] <hyper_ch> rahmetli: the download was quick for you :)
[10:52] <rahmetli> sorry its downloading actually :)
[10:52] <rahmetli> :)))
[10:52] <communist_pope> Xubuntu wont connect to the internet
[10:52] <communist_pope> any help?
[10:52] <rahmetli> adsl or ?
[10:53] <rahmetli> :)
[10:53] <hyper_ch> it does connect for me :)
[10:53] <communist_pope> Cable modem, connected to wireless router, wire connected to a laptop
[10:53] <rahmetli> i will connect for me too :)))
[10:54] <hyper_ch> you are using wifi?
[10:54] <communist_pope> No, just a wireless router
[10:54] <communist_pope> it has 4 ports for wired connections
[10:55] <rahmetli> sudo ifconfig
[10:55] <rahmetli> to see what you have :)
[10:55] <hyper_ch> communist_pope: Applications --> System --> Networking
[10:56] <communist_pope> did that, got it activated, still wont work, even tried another network card
[10:56] <hyper_ch> is the ethernet adapter enabled?
[10:56] <communist_pope> Yes
[10:57] <hyper_ch> communist_pope: does your router provide a DHCP service?
[10:57] <communist_pope> ummm, It connected with auto DHCP configuratiion in puppylinux
[10:58] <hyper_ch> communist_pope: is DHCP enabled for the network card?
[10:58] <communist_pope> I really dont know, but it connected with puppy
[10:58] <hyper_ch> communist_pope: and if you have multiple network card, did you select the correct default ne?
[10:58] <hyper_ch> communist_pope: have a look at Applications --> System --> Networking
[10:59] <communist_pope> I had it not connecting when i had one card in it
[10:59] <communist_pope> hyper_ch: I have installed puppy, then formatted, and now installing ubuntu
[11:00] <communist_pope> if all fails, i still have a 2000 pro cd
[11:00] <communist_pope> My desktop is very good with ubuntu
[11:01] <hyper_ch> communist_pope: if you don't want help why are you here?
[11:02] <communist_pope> I do want help
[11:02] <hyper_ch> then how comes you haven't answered any of the questions I asked?
[11:04] <communist_pope> Because my computer says one of my partitions are damaged, an i cannot run any os currently
[11:04] <hyper_ch> I don't get it
[11:04] <hyper_ch> I'm out
[11:04] <hyper_ch> going to bed
[11:05] <communist_pope> ok...hold on, its configuring it
[11:06] <communist_pope> it wont work
[11:06] <communist_pope> good night then
[11:08] <icicled> g'job to the folks who put together xubuntu, it works fairly well on my old p3 750MHz laptop =] 
[11:09] <communist_pope> icicled: you are lucky, i have a 266mhz laptop
[11:10] <icicled> heh
[11:10] <rahmetli> does it have a server version?
[11:12] <icicled> does what have a server version?
[11:12] <communist_pope> xubuntu, i think hes asking
[11:12] <communist_pope> ubuntu does
[11:12] <rahmetli> :)
[11:12] <rahmetli> sorry.
[11:16] <communist_pope> I am yet to find a good linux for my laptop
[11:17] <icicled> damn small linux
[11:17] <rahmetli> used ubuntu?
[11:17] <communist_pope> tried, and failed, it wont work with my internet
[11:18] <communist_pope> icicled: i dont like that, but it is good for inschool, from my ipod
[11:18] <icicled> heh
[11:18] <communist_pope> My fav livecd\usb key is puppy
[11:19] <rahmetli> wht is the difference between dsl?
[11:20] <communist_pope> i just find puppy is way more featured, than dsl for only about 30MB more, and u can save multisession to cd
[11:20] <icicled> puppy has more
[11:20] <rahmetli> i guess dsl is debian based?
[11:21] <Jester45> communist_pope: but puppy cant fit on a 50mb biz card and thats the reason for dsl
[11:21] <Thrallie> #archlinux
[11:21] <Thrallie> #archlinux
[11:21] <communist_pope> yea, but ultimatley, puppy is better
[11:21] <Thrallie> #archlinux
[11:21] <Thrallie> #archlinux
[11:21] <Thrallie> #archlinux
[11:21] <Thrallie> #archlinux
[11:21] <Jester45> rahmetli: yes i think so
[11:21] <Thrallie> #archlinux
[11:21] <communist_pope> STOP
[11:21] <Thrallie> #archlinux
[11:21] <communist_pope> SOTP
[11:21] <communist_pope> DICK
[11:22] <communist_pope> idiot
[11:22] <Vilhelms> I'm trying to get the Super (Windows) key to register as a modifier correctly. In xmodmap its set to mod4 but when I go to keyboard settings and try to set a shortcut to lets say <Super>~ for exampe it only reads "grave" without the Super modifier.
[11:23] <Jester45> ?? your tring to map keys?
[11:23] <Jester45> i just make them a F## button
[11:23] <Jester45> Welcome back Sharn
[11:23] <Sharn> Hello
[11:24] <Sharn> What you up to now?
[11:24] <Jester45> nothing
[11:24] <Jester45> o yea
[11:24] <communist_pope> GO LINUX
[11:25] <rahmetli> is there any rss feeder like news ticker for xfce?
[11:25] <Vilhelms> I'm trying to get the Super (Windows) key to register as a modifier correctly. In xmodmap its set to mod4 but when I go to keyboard settings and try to set a shortcut to lets say <Super>~ for exampe it only reads "grave" without the Super modifier.
[11:25] <communist_pope> rahmetli: i dont know, but i like google reader
[11:26] <rahmetli> i like it on top of my screen :)
[11:26] <Jester45> !rss
[11:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rss - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:27] <rahmetli> ubotu: you should learn
[11:27] <rahmetli> :P
[11:28] <communist_pope> I AM COOL
[11:28] <rahmetli> really?
[11:29] <rahmetli> what makes you cool?
[11:29] <communist_pope> yah rly
[11:29] <communist_pope> I USE LINUX
[11:29] <rahmetli> :)
[11:29] <rahmetli> you r right.
[11:29] <communist_pope> and windows, but thats cuz windows wont connect to the internt
[11:29] <communist_pope> oops
[11:30] <Sharn> Rofl
[11:30] <Sharn> I think most of us here use Linux. ;)
[11:30] <rahmetli> its not the linux that cant connect to internet.
[11:31] <communist_pope> it is
[11:31] <communist_pope> windows connects
[11:31] <rahmetli> you cant connect :)
[11:31] <communist_pope> I can
[11:32] <rahmetli> when you use it you are cool,but when i cant connect it is linux?
[11:33] <rahmetli> it*
[11:33] <communist_pope> its cool when it works
[11:33] <communist_pope> like on my desktop right now
[11:34] <communist_pope> fine, leave me
[11:35] <Sharn> Rofl...
[11:35] <Jester45> you dont understand to many things do you
[11:35] <Sharn> xD
[11:36] <Sharn> Jester45, you ever get the blog thing figured out?
[11:36] <Jester45> no i just made a regualr site
[11:37] <Sharn> Heh..
[11:37] <Jester45> working on my logo
[11:37] <communist_pope> irvin: what did you send me?
[11:37] <Sharn> I copied your URL name. xD
[11:37] <Jester45> i spent a lot of time with buttons/code
[11:38] <Jester45> so i decided to copy a xubuntu logo untill i get time to fix
[11:38] <communist_pope> good
[11:38] <communist_pope> for you
[11:39] <Sharn> Rofl. http://sharnis.boldlygoingnowhere.org/blog/
[11:39] <Sharn> Ftw
[11:40] <communist_pope> communism ftw
[11:41] <Jester45> copycat
[11:42] <communist_pope> no u
[11:42] <Sharn> I'll change it soon. xD
[11:42] <Sharn> Yours was just so cool.... :P
[11:43] <Jester45> im just smart
[11:44] <Jester45> litle long but worth it
[11:44] <Sharn> Yeah
[11:44] <communist_pope> what are we talking about
[11:44] <Jester45> my website
[11:45] <Sharn> His website. ^
[11:45] <Sharn> That's 20x fastr than mine
[11:45] <communist_pope> On a related topic, is there anyway to get microsoft office live without a credit card?
[11:46] <Sharn> Maybe. :O
[11:46] <communist_pope> can i borrow yours?
[11:46] <communist_pope> lol
[11:46] <Sharn> But this isn't the right place to talk about that...
[11:47] <communist_pope> i dont like the boxes that show when i minimize a window
[11:49] <Jester45> try #windows or ##windows
[11:52] <communist_pope> I know the idea sounds unorthodox, but a recent study at Harvard has substantiated this view.
[11:56] <communist_pope> HELLO
[11:56] <communist_pope> JOIN OUR COMMUNIST PARTY
[11:56] <maxamillion> hi
[11:56] <irvin> communist_pope, please stop
[11:57] <maxamillion> communist_pope: two things ... frist, please don't use caps and second ... communist parties are far off topic and not community friendly, i would appreciate it if did not talk in this manner
[11:57] <rahmetli> which one should i select gdm or kdm?
[11:57] <maxamillion> rahmetli: for xfce or gnome use gdm .. for kde use kdm
[11:58] <rahmetli> ok thanks.
[11:58] <maxamillion> no problem :)
[11:59] <Jester45> LordGamer your back!!!
[11:59] <communist_pope> maxamillion: sorry
[12:00] <maxamillion> communist_pope: its ok, this is just considered a family friendly channel and is intended for use by xubuntu community members for topics pertaining to the distrobution or support
[12:00] <Jester45> communist_pope: try /join #xubuntu-offtopic
[12:01] <communist_pope> Jester45: does /j also work?
[12:01] <maxamillion> communist_pope: in most irc clients, yes
[12:01] <communist_pope> I am using Gaim
[12:01] <maxamillion> hmmm... not sure, i use irssi
[12:02] <rahmetli> let me try my newly installed xfce :)
[12:02] <maxamillion> :)
[12:02] <communist_pope> \wrists
[12:03] <nalioth> communist_pope: please be civil
[12:03] <maxamillion> communist_pope: you will not be given any more warnings
[12:04] <communist_pope> ok,ok
[12:16] <Jester45> Sharn: go to my site and click on the what's new button
[12:17] <maxamillion> Jester45: link?
[12:17] <Jester45> jesteris.boldlygoingnowhere.org
[12:18] <Jester45> logo is ugly i know
[12:18] <communist_pope> quite
[12:18] <Jester45> havnt spent time on that
[12:18] <maxamillion> Jester45: lol ... you just need to resize it ... and get the newer one ...
[12:18] <Jester45> im gonna make my own
[12:19] <maxamillion> ah
[12:19] <maxamillion> Jester45: what is X-Kings?
[12:19] <Jester45> ??
[12:19] <Jester45> o
[12:19] <Jester45> the other index
[12:19] <Jester45> a games
[12:19] <maxamillion> interesting
[12:19] <Jester45> i quit playing
[12:19] <maxamillion> any good?
[12:20] <maxamillion> oh ...
[12:20] <rahmetli> how can i edit app menu?
[12:20] <maxamillion> Applications->Settings->Menu Editor
[12:20] <maxamillion> rahmetli: Applications->Settings->Menu Editor **
[12:21] <rahmetli> ok thanks again.i am getting used to it :)
[12:21] <communist_pope> What is the best version of ubuntu? My friend says kubuntu, but i like the regular one
[12:21] <maxamillion> Jester45: i hate you
[12:21] <maxamillion> rahmetli: no worries
[12:22] <kalikiana> communist_pope, are you reious? you must decide for yourself!
[12:22] <maxamillion> communist_pope: there is no "best" its all about choice
[12:22] <kalikiana> s/reious/serious
[12:22] <maxamillion> Jester45: your "whats new" link has perminantly fragged firefox
[12:22] <communist_pope> maxamillion: for a fast comp