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geserajmitch: looking at your list of missing bugfixes from Debian: do you know from where your script got the fixed debian version for cacti?12:25
geserit looks like it misparsed the fixed in versions line from the bug. it contains two packages12:27
ajmitchI know12:27
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geserajmitch: can your script also scan the tags in Debian bugs?12:53
ajmitchI guess so12:58
gesercan you search for Tags: security like in Debian bug #409296?12:59
UbugtuDebian bug 409296 in mpg123 "CVE-2007-0578: http_open function in httpget.c can get into infinite loop" [Important,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/40929612:59
ajmitchyeah, they're in the same summary file12:59
ajmitchsure, I'll try & get it to play along12:59
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geserit would be good if security bugs be also included in the list01:00
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bddebianHeya gang02:05
LaserJockhi bddebian 02:06
bddebianHeya LaserJock02:07
LaserJockla la la MIR MIR MIR02:12
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bddebianLaserJock: :-)02:15
bddebianla la la gpib build sucks.. :-)02:15
LaserJocksorry dude02:16
LaserJockI use the proprietary (must use 2.4 kernel) crap for a reason02:16
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matt_goodhrm, I uploaded a package to REVU and it shows as uploaded by "matt@devi" which is my local Linux login & host instead of my email02:31
matt_goodso I can't comment on it since it doesn't think I'm the uploader02:31
matt_goodI tried setting DEBEMAIL and reuploading it, but that doesn't seem to have an effect02:31
imbrandonfix the debian/changelog ( should have been signed anyhow ) and reupload02:31
bddebianWhat did you use in debian/changelog?02:31
imbrandonheya bddebian 02:32
bddebianHeya imbrandon02:32
LaserJockhi imbrandon 02:33
matt_goodbddebian/imbrandon: doh, yeah that seems to be the problem02:34
imbrandonheya LaserJock 02:34
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matt_goodI forgot to set DEBEMAIL in my .bashrc on my pbuilder machine02:34
matt_goodimbrandon: yeah, it should have the right signature though, I guess REVU just check the changelog though02:35
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LaserJockI say hi to Hobbsee and LongPointyStick comes after me02:37
matt_goodis REVU using an old lintian?02:38
LaserJockmust be jelousy ;-)02:38
HobbseeLaserJock: haha02:38
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imbrandonmatt_good, possibly02:38
matt_goodit shows a "newer-standards-version 3.7.2" error, but I know that's supported on Edgy02:38
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imbrandonyes ignore that on tiber02:38
crimsuncrimsun@tiber:~$ lsb_release -r02:39
crimsunRelease:        6.0602:39
imbrandonheya crimsun 02:39
matt_goodimbrandon: how about "source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 0.2.0-2"?02:39
matt_goodwhat should I use for the revisions on new packages?02:40
imbrandonwe dont worry about nmu error but that is the wrong versioning for ubuntu02:40
imbrandondepends , it goes like this ......02:40
imbrandon<package>-upstreamXubuntuY where X is debian rev and Y is ubuntu rev02:41
imbrandonlike upstream 3.4 would be 3.4-1 in debian and 3.4-1ubuntu1 in ubuntu , and if it wasent in debian it would be 3.4-0ubuntu102:41
imbrandonthats the short of it, there are exceptions etc02:42
imbrandonthus ignore the nmu warning BUT the versioning is wrong02:42
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matt_goodimbrandon: so should I stick to -0ubuntu1 even if I make changes before it's accepted, or should I add new changelog entries for those?02:47
Hobbseematt_good: keep at -0ubuntu102:48
imbrandonno, always version it what you intend to be uploaded02:48
imbrandonbut -0ubuntu1 implys its not in debian, where did the package start from ?02:48
imbrandonheya Hobbsee 02:48
Hobbseehey imbrandon :)02:49
matt_goodimbrandon: it's my application which I've packaged02:50
imbrandonok, just checking ;)02:50
matt_goodand I think Debian's missing the packages for pygobject, so I can't package it there yet02:51
matt_goodok, one more lintian error: build-depends-without-arch-dep02:52
matt_goodit mentions changing Build-Depends to Build-Depends-Indep, but there's an exception for debhelper02:52
matt_goodI'm using debhelper, but should I move other dependencies into -Indep?02:53
imbrandonnow python packaging isnt my stong point, you'll have to poke someone else for that02:59
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matt_goodimbrandon: well, REVU thinks that the 0.2.0-2 version I uploaded is the latest, but that needs replaced with 0.2.0-0ubuntu1, is there any way to fix this?03:14
matt_goodalso despite fixing my email in the changelog it still thinks "matt@devi" is the uploader03:15
matt_goodoh, it's still just showing the files from the earlier bad upload03:16
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matt_goodoh, n/m03:22
matt_goodI just realized I was just viewing that particular upload and that the others are separate pages03:23
bddebianGawd I hate CDBS03:28
imbrandonlol bddebian 03:30
bddebianI can't figure out where the fsck this build-tree dir is supposed to be coming from.. :-(03:31
ajmitchah, cdbs magic03:32
ajmitchit's great03:32
ajmitchusing tarball.mk?03:33
imbrandonsudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop03:34
imbrandongah wrong damn keyboard, not jsut window03:34
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bddebianajmitch: Yes :-(03:36
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bddebianajmitch: But after all the clean crap, the first couple errors I get are:03:38
bddebiancd build-tree/linux-gpib-3.2.08 && python2.4 language/python/setup.py clean -a03:38
bddebiancd: 1: can't cd to build-tree/linux-gpib-3.2.0803:38
bddebianmake: [python-clean-2.4]  Error 2 (ignored)03:38
matt_goodimbrandon: if you have two monitors try synergy -- synergy2.sf.net03:38
imbrandoni have many monitors ;)03:39
matt_goodsynergy's a software KM switch03:39
matt_goodbasically you move the mouse off the edge of the screen and it controls the mouse & keyboard on the other computer03:39
matt_goodover then network03:40
matt_goodbut of course each box needs a monitor03:40
imbrandonahh, wouldent be pratical for me, but sounds cool03:40
imbrandonwb LaserJock 03:41
LaserJockhi all03:41
LaserJockbddebian: I feel your pain, I'm trying to figure out how to work with the CDBS in ubuntu-docs03:43
bddebianThis is frickin' craziness.  I get a different problem building locally03:43
crimsunmm, libflashsupport has all sorts of cruft03:45
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RAOFDoes anyone want to review: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4300 (gnome-compiz-manager03:58
RAOFIt's not my package, I'd just like to make sure it gets in :)03:58
Q-FUNKdo we get to have any beryl package for feisty?03:59
RAOFI've looked at it, and it seems OK (except for needing a depencency on 4.1.0)03:59
RAOFI've looked at it, and it seems OK (except for needing a depencency on debhelper 4.1.0)03:59
LaserJockQ-FUNK: not that I know of yet04:03
esaymanybody know where a changelog would be for the ubuntu kernels?04:03
Q-FUNKLaserJock: we seem to have the beryl config tool, but not beryl-core, for some strange reason04:04
imbrandonesaym, http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-source-2.6.20_2.6.20-8.14/changelog04:05
imbrandonand the like04:05
imbrandon( e.g. debian/changlog )04:05
esaymok thanks you!04:06
esaymI would like to meet this ben collins guys ;)04:06
imbrandonyea BenC is a nice guy04:06
imbrandonbut i'm still gonna beat him in bowling next conf04:07
LaserJockQ-FUNK: I think beryl-core was rejected04:07
RAOFimbrandon: is that Wii bowling?  'Cause I rock at that :)04:07
imbrandonreal bowling ;)04:07
bddebianOK obviously this is over my head :'-(04:08
crimsunyou need combined powers of the motu trinity.04:09
bddebiancrimsun: No one ever wants to help me :'-(04:09
crimsunping me tomorrow mid-afternoon EST04:09
bddebianOK, if I can.  Thx04:10
LaserJockhmm, maybe some sort of Power Rangers combination of powers is what we need04:10
bddebianMan, between .NET at work, glibc for Hurd, and Ubuntu stuff I feel like a complete failure these days :-(04:11
LaserJockactually, Transformers might be more appropriate for MOTU ;-)04:11
imbrandonhaha i cant wait for the new transformers movie04:11
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bddebianimbrandon: Aye, the trailer looks cool04:16
imbrandonhum is the evolution exchange connector packaged?04:17
imbrandonguess so04:18
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poningruyou'll always be a success in our eyes :)04:18
bddebianHah, right, but thanks :-)04:19
ajmitchbddebian: you still do more than me :P04:22
ajmitchbddebian: how long are you sticking around for?04:26
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bddebianI'm probably up for at least a couple of hours04:27
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ajmitchso I may be able to look at it04:28
bddebianok, thx04:28
RAOFOooh.  bddebian, can you summon me when ajmitch gets back and explains tarball.mk?  I've always wanted to know what the hell that does :)04:35
bddebianRAOF: You can have a tarball embedded inside a source tarball.  So foo-1.0.orig.tar.gz unzips to /debian + foo.tar.gz or so04:37
bddebiantarball.mk unzips foo.tar.gz before building04:37
bddebianI'm probably oversimplifying it a little but that's the gist of it04:38
RAOFWhy would you want to do that, though?  So much that it's the default in dh_make?04:38
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bddebianRAOF: I wouldn't.  I frickin' hate packages that have tarballs in the source package :-)04:39
RAOFI thought it was against policy to have tarballs in the source package, too :)04:39
bddebianWell pull the gpib source for an example if you don't believe me :)04:42
bddebianWhy :(?04:43
bddebianGah, is this new?04:45
bddebiandpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address04:45
bddebianpbuilder: Failed autobuilding of package04:45
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imbrandonwhat? thats strange, ubuntu revisions dosent mean a ubuntu-dev did it04:50
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LaserJockbddebian: that's the new Maintainer spec04:57
LaserJockyou need to adjust the Maintainer field04:57
LaserJockbddebian: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField04:58
bddebianLaserJock: Ah, I didn't know it was decided, thx05:03
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bddebianGah, what package is /lib/modules/linux-foo/ from?05:39
RAOFbddebian: Can't you just "dpkg -S /lib/modules/linux-foo" ?05:41
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bddebianRAOF: Hmm, I didn't think it would work but it did, thx05:43
RAOFbddebian: You could return the favour by fixing python-pyinotify on AMD64 :P05:48
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bddebianRAOF: Send me an amd64 and I'll be happy to try :)05:51
RAOFFailing that, could you point me to the debian-maintainer spec LaserJock gave you, so I could builld the sources and see what's breaking?05:53
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RAOFThanks muchly05:55
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RAOFAnyone know how to fix linking problems in python, I'm trying to fix bug #8570506:02
UbugtuMalone bug 85705 in pyinotify "Undefined symbol error when importing pyinotify" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8570506:02
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tonyyarussoAnyone know how many megs the minimal install that pbuilder needs actually is?06:04
RAOF-rw-r--r--  1 root root  82M 2007-02-09 11:28 feisty-base.tgz06:05
RAOFThat's a minimal feisty pbuilder chroot.06:05
LaserJockthat's tar'd up though06:05
RAOFTrue, but that's how much it takes up on disc.06:06
RAOFWhen it's not being used.06:06
tonyyarussoSo,, probably 100ish.  hmm06:06
RAOFHey, Amaranth.  You're a python god, right?06:06
ajmitchbddebian: still alive?06:06
tonyyarussoWell, I could probably get that by about Sunday afternoon if I let it run, but it's a weekend so the family needs on too.  Dang.06:06
AmaranthRAOF: sure, why not06:07
bddebianajmitch: More or less.06:07
RAOFYou don't need a pbuilder to package properly.  Although it is helpful06:07
ajmitchbddebian: still having issues?06:07
RAOFAmaranth: How would you debug a linking error in a python module?06:07
bddebianajmitch: I sort of figured out my problem but I'm debating whether to try to get it to build the modules or add the patches back in to not build them :-(06:07
RAOFAmaranth: Or rather, how would you fix it so it's correctly linked.06:07
AmaranthRAOF: you're building a C extension and getting linker errors?06:08
ajmitchbddebian: ah alright06:08
tonyyarussoRAOF: First crack at it, figured it might be a good idea.06:08
AmaranthRAOF: what are the errors06:08
RAOFAmaranth: I'm talking about bug #8570506:08
UbugtuMalone bug 85705 in pyinotify "Undefined symbol error when importing pyinotify" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8570506:08
Amaranthtonyyarusso: pbuilders _always_ has to get more stuff06:08
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ajmitchRAOF: only on amd64?06:08
Amaranthtonyyarusso: afaik that 82M is just "essential" packages06:08
RAOFajmitch: Only tested on AMD64.06:08
ajmitchRAOF: right06:08
tonyyarussoAmaranth: right06:08
RAOFajmitch: I suppose I could try and fire up my i386 pbuilder.06:08
AmaranthRAOF: rebuild the package please06:08
RAOFajmitch: I'll go check :)06:08
bddebianBut damn, neither linux-headers-foo, linux-restricted-modules-common, nor linux-source-foo puts stuff in /lib/modules :-(06:09
RAOFAmaranth: Have done.  Same result.06:09
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RAOFAmaranth: I've also just installed it with "sudo python setup.py install --prefix=/usr", and the same thing's happening.06:10
=== ajmitch tests on x86
RAOFSo it doesn't seem to be a problem with the packaging per-se06:10
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=== RAOF would love it to be renamed python-inotify
Amaranth/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/pyinotify/inotify.py:49: RuntimeWarning: Python C API version mismatch for module _inotify: This Python has API version 1013, module _inotify has version 1012.06:11
ajmitchRAOF: probably some change in python2.506:11
Amaranththis is what i get06:11
ajmitchhow special06:11
Amaranthi'll try to fix it06:11
ajmitchso it needs updated, should be trivial06:12
RAOFExcept I've just built it on my AMD64 box.  And it gives *me* a different error.06:12
ajmitchRAOF: not necessarily rebuilding06:12
AmaranthPy_InitModule4 probably doesn't exist anymore06:13
Amaranthpython doesn't guarantee extension api/abi06:13
ajmitchAmaranth: so it fails for you on x86?06:13
RAOFSorry, I seem to have read "updated" as "rebuilt" :)06:13
ajmitchthere are certainly some amd64-only bugs out there, eg bug 8355106:13
Amaranthajmitch: yeah06:13
UbugtuMalone bug 83551 in rhythmbox "python plugins don't work in amd64" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8355106:13
Amaranthdamn i need to update my pbuilder more often06:14
Amaranthit's 80MB and i have to get 40MB of packages :P06:14
ajmitchimport pyinotify worked fine on x86 laptop, which is out of date06:15
ajmitchbut it's still py 2.506:15
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Amaranthdpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address06:17
Amaranthi am going to stab someone06:17
RAOFHm.  inotify.c uses Py_InitModule3, but that never hits the object code.06:17
Amaranthwhy does the maintainer have to have an ubuntu address?06:18
RAOFAmaranth: Debian-maintainer spec.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField06:18
Amaranthyeah but what if i want to use my gmail address? :)06:18
ajmitchAmaranth: to inconvenience us06:19
Amaranthi still get the API warning after building :P06:19
Amaranththe version warning, i mean06:20
RAOFI *think* it might be building 2.4 modules only.06:20
Amaranthdoes inotify work if you use python2.4?06:21
RAOFOr, at least, it imports.06:22
Amaranthit almost looks like it's building the python 2.4 version and calling it the python 2.5 version...06:22
Amaranth        for python in $(PYVERS); do \06:24
Amaranth                $$python setup.py install --root=$(CURDIR)/debian/python-pyinotify; \06:24
Amaranthi think it installs the 2.4 version on top of the 2.5 version06:24
RAOFOh, it also doesn't clean between building different versions.06:28
RAOFfor python in $(PYVERS) ; do "$${python}" setup.py build'06:29
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RAOFDo you want to fix that Amaranth, or shall I give it a try?06:30
Amaranthgo ahead06:33
Amaranthi was trying to convert it to cdbs :P06:34
RAOFHm.  That *would* be easy :)06:34
RAOFAmaranth: Done.  Shall I add a debdiff to the bug?06:51
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TheMusoFujitsu: ??07:01
FujitsuIt's inconveniencing (it's no longer possible to create packages unless you're an Ubuntu Member, some maintainers (such as myself) don't use @ubuntu.com, so have to have the field mangled)... There's no option to have it unmangled.07:03
FujitsuWith the binary-mangling, there was at least a method to opt-out.07:04
ajmitchFujitsu: it won't be hard to find annoyed people07:05
ajmitchbut I doubt it'll do much good07:05
ajmitchdid you see that doko has uploaded a fixed zope3?07:05
LaserJockit's not really that bad though07:05
TheMusoI guess it won't bother me, as I use themuso@ubuntu.com07:05
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LaserJockthey idea is that we are supposed to use ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com07:06
LaserJockso it shouldn't matter07:06
Fujitsuajmitch, nice. How'd he fix it?07:06
ajmitchfrom the changelog, looks like he just had some patches07:07
ajmitch& it's 3.3.107:07
FujitsuI'm not up-to-date with feisty-changes since Herd 4.07:07
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TheMusoFujitsu: Oh you mean for the maintainer field.07:08
TheMusoI thought you meant for the changelog entries.07:08
FujitsuTheMuso, ah.07:08
TheMusobut I guess it still causes the same problems.07:08
RAOFRight.  #85705 now has a fix attached.07:08
Fujitsuajmitch: It seems to just be 3.3.1. That patch was already existing (it's the one that fixes that issue in Edgy).07:09
TheMusobug 8579507:09
ajmitchwe'll see how well 3.3.1 goes :)07:09
TheMusobug 8570507:09
UbugtuMalone bug 85705 in pyinotify "Undefined symbol error when importing pyinotify" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8570507:09
=== Fujitsu tests if 3.3.1 will actually start.
ajmitchI hope so07:10
Fujitsu`Fixed issue 535: make HTTPInputStream work with Python 2.4.4.'... That should obsolete the patch the changelog says he updated.07:10
FujitsuSoyuz seems to have eaten that upload.07:13
FujitsuThere's an accepted message, but that's all.07:13
bddebianGnight gang07:14
FujitsuNight, bddebian.07:14
FujitsuAh, the publisher is probably still on manual.07:16
ajmitchshouldn't be07:17
FujitsuWell, there are 62 items in Accepted.07:17
FujitsuThey're not being published.07:17
ajmitchyou may be right07:18
ajmitchhow inconvenient07:18
FujitsuAnd it's a weekend too.07:19
FujitsuNo Zope for me.07:19
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ajmitchor not07:20
ajmitchnot even the source package is published this time07:20
ajmitchI had other stuff go through earlier07:20
FujitsuEverything since 7am AEST this morning is still there.07:20
Fujitsus/this morning //07:20
ajmitchprobably something broken, rather than the publisher being disabled intentionally07:21
FujitsuLike someone not starting something after the last rollout, which happened last time?07:21
=== Fujitsu ponders asking in #launchpad.
ajmitchis beta running?07:21
Fujitsubeta is still 503ing.07:21
ajmitchbeen like that for hours07:22
FujitsuI would presume a rollout would take somewhat less than 10 hours.07:22
Fujitsu(it's been broken since I got up)07:22
ajmitchyes, same07:22
ajmitch& I repointed my bookmarks towards beta.lp07:22
FujitsuYep, all my keyword bookmarks do too.07:23
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FujitsuI'm sure they impressed upon their devs a couple of weeks ago that beta.lp was now a critical service, and should have similar uptime to production.07:23
imbrandonlol 07:24
ajmitchyou are too cynical sometimes :)07:24
FujitsuI do that.07:24
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LaserJockwell, that wasn't nice07:25
ajmitchno, it wasn't, was it?07:26
LaserJockI was KDE and it just shut my computer off07:26
imbrandonLaserJock, huh?07:27
LaserJockI've had very bad luck with KDE and power managment07:27
ajmitchturn back to GNOME07:28
LaserJockI did07:28
ajmitchit's a sign07:28
LaserJockbut I keep trying KDE07:28
imbrandonheh , thats funny because they both use the same backend07:28
imbrandonfor PM07:28
LaserJockwell, must be the frontend or something07:28
LaserJockbut KDE was randomly hibernating last time07:28
imbrandonif its a bug in the frontend UI Riddell and Sebas are upstream , hint hint07:28
LaserJockwell, they'll just laugh at me I guess07:29
FujitsuLaserJock, I had KDE hibernate on me a few times during Dapper development, when I had a GNOME session at the sa me time.07:29
imbrandonalthough i did install gnome on a box at home last night, just to have one pure ubuntu box07:29
=== Fujitsu tells... Hobbsee!
Fujitsu(*jarring chord*)07:30
ajmitchHobbsee won't mind07:30
imbrandonheh hobbsee plays with gnome now and then too, and SuSE and stuff hehe07:30
ajmitchwhat a confused individual07:30
LaserJockwell, I just can't trust KDE unfortunately on my laptop07:30
FujitsuSuSE? Ick.07:31
imbrandonLaserJock, i would look deeper into it serouisly, not to start a KDE / Gnome thing, but they are using the same PM backends07:31
imbrandonthat is if you have the time07:31
LaserJockimbrandon: I know07:31
LaserJockI just can't have my "production" machine randomly quiting07:32
LaserJockI'm not sure if I get any data loss07:32
LaserJockbut I was in the middle of a lengthy build07:33
imbrandonhaha i dont have any "production" machines anymore07:33
imbrandonother than the servers07:33
LaserJockwell, my "production" machine runs Feisty07:33
imbrandonLaserJock, start long builds on aurora with screen :)07:34
imbrandontis what i do07:34
LaserJockit's not a pbuilder build07:34
zakamescreen screen screen, we all screen for ice screen07:34
imbrandoni was this >< close to getting jokosher running on windows this morning07:34
TheMusozakame: lol07:34
LaserJockI'm working on upstream stuff07:35
zakamehi all btw :D07:35
LaserJockI finally got some working C++07:35
imbrandonheya zakme07:35
LaserJockI'm so proud of myself ;-)07:35
TheMusoHeya zakame.07:35
zakamewoo LaserJock :D07:35
zakamehi TheMuso, imbrandon :)07:35
=== zakame is playing upstream lately
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LaserJockit's kinda fun07:36
LaserJockI think I like upstreaming better than distro'ing07:36
FujitsuI prefer them in different ways.07:36
FujitsuAnd I prefer Python to C++ in most situations.07:37
LaserJockimbrandon: well, I was starting to get the hang of some KDE stuff, and got some customization done07:37
FujitsuPython == good.07:37
zakamequite quite07:37
LaserJockFujitsu: I'm learning both07:37
LaserJockI think it's handy07:37
imbrandonLaserJock, rockin, dont give up now ;)07:37
=== ajmitch is not qualified to be an upstream
ajmitchit requires having users07:37
LaserJockimbrandon: it's too bad I use my laptop so much07:37
imbrandoni did the upstream thing for a long time , its tireing07:37
ajmitchimbrandon: as what?07:38
imbrandonajmitch, what do you mean as what?07:38
ajmitchimbrandon: what upstream?07:38
imbrandonwhat project ?07:38
zakameholy upstream, bzrman07:38
imbrandonahh , mono mostly ( some kde cruft where i could )07:38
Hobbseeimbrandon: only very occasionally.  and then reverts.07:40
imbrandonHobbsee, ohh i know, same here, i was just making a point :)07:40
Hobbseeimbrandon: :P07:40
imbrandonalthough like i said i did set aside a 1.8ghz celeron just for a pure ubuntu / gnome box last night 07:40
imbrandonso i would have one arround07:41
imbrandonto test / play with stuff07:41
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imbrandononly has 512mb ram , but its still ok to use, just not compile on07:42
LaserJockwell, I was reading about some of LInus' comments (please don't flame me) on KDE and so I thought I'd try it :-)07:42
TheMusoimbrandon: 512MB of ram is ok for compilation.07:43
LaserJockgrrrr, I can't get svn.debian.org07:43
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imbrandonTheMuso, yea but i'm spoiled ;)07:43
imbrandonleaste in that respect07:44
imbrandonLaserJock, hahaha07:44
imbrandonLaserJock, it all depends on what you want, here is how i explain it to people , kde is more like windows, gnome is more like osx ( out of the box for both ) , kde == customizeable to the tilt but dialogs etc a little more complex, gnome == silmpler interface but at the expense of customization07:45
ajmitchhobbsee left us :(07:45
imbrandonthats just my 0.2c07:45
LaserJockimbrandon: maybe that's why I like OS X more than Windows07:46
imbrandonbut little things you notice like gnome / osx , in a dialog you change something it takes effect imeadately, kde / windows it dosent untill you hit apply or OK, and lots of other little things like that, i'm not talking just the placement of the pannels07:47
LaserJockimbrandon: I just can't get around my feeling that KDE is less polished, more of a "lets see what crack we can do"07:47
imbrandonLaserJock, hahah see i feel the exact other way about gnome, it just dosent feel "done" to me07:48
TheMusoTo each their own.07:48
imbrandonyup yup07:48
LaserJockimbrandon: what parts?07:48
TheMusoI will be able to make a better decision once KDE is accessible.07:48
imbrandoni dont knock the other, just dont use it day to day :)07:48
lotusleafKubuntu > Jesus07:49
imbrandonTheMuso, there is lots of QT KDE accessability tools07:49
imbrandonLaserJock, mostly UI elements07:49
Fujitsulotusleaf, to me, that's not saying much. :P07:49
TheMusoimbrandon: But they don't integrate the way the GNOME accessibility tools do.07:49
imbrandonLaserJock, to me GTK is only half done07:49
lotusleafFujitsu: Kubuntu > *07:49
=== Fujitsu finds GTK well done.
lotusleafFujitsu: I love the driving differences between the two07:50
imbrandonFujitsu, you have never seen QT toolset then07:50
LaserJockimbrandon: can narrow it done any? I'm curious07:50
LaserJock*can you07:50
imbrandonLaserJock, like as if the dev said "ok it works ..." and went on to the next thing, instead of finishing it out totaly07:50
imbrandonits justa feeling 07:50
imbrandonfeels like a VB6 app on windows does to me07:51
imbrandonno offence , cant find a better word, but amitureish07:51
imbrandonbut not exactly07:51
LaserJockimbrandon: like code wise?07:51
LaserJockor actual look?07:51
FujitsuThe new original-maintainer prefix is XSBC-, right?07:52
imbrandonno like look / feel / use , wise07:52
imbrandoncode wise i could get over07:52
imbrandonlooks and interface to me is 70% of my computing experince07:54
imbrandoncode i can look past and cleanup later etc etc etc07:54
imbrandonbut as we've said in the past, its all personaly prefrence at this point, a few years ago there was alot of diffrences, but today they are both great desktops07:55
imbrandonits just where you choose your "home"07:55
imbrandonand the driving forces behind each one07:56
TheMusoimbrandon: WHen is KDE 4 due?07:57
elkbuntuooh, gnome vs kde rants... noice07:57
imbrandonlike i personaly beleave in the kde way vs the gnome way in that KDE you shouldent "hide" a option from a user but you should make it not a cluster FSCK of a dialog box either, Gnome will make a simpler dialog box at the expence of too many options for the user07:57
imbrandonjust as a general rule on them both, there are exceptions obviously07:58
imbrandonelkbuntu, no rants07:58
imbrandonjust BS'ing07:58
TheMusoimbrandon: I really wish I could check out the KDE experience.07:58
imbrandonTheMuso, the first bets's have been out a few months, sometime 2Q 2007 iirc07:58
imbrandonbeta's *07:59
=== TheMuso hasn't heard any word on accessibility.
TheMusoI am on the kde accessibility list.07:59
TheMusoWhich has been quiet for weeks.07:59
TheMusoHeh. Not since 2 December has there been a post.07:59
LaserJockimbrandon: hmm, I just don't know how you can see a difference between the look of gtk and qt08:00
elkbuntupersonally for me, i find that whenever i try kde, i spend a crapload of time trying to make it gnome-like, so i just stick with gnome08:00
LaserJockimbrandon: if anything I've found qt less "polished" in the sense of not being so smooth and having artifacts08:01
LaserJockit seem odd that people can find so much difference08:01
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imbrandonFujitsu, you must be running a kdeapp not qt app , and also not have kded or someting running08:04
imbrandonit shouldent rebuild everytime08:04
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imbrandongmail just rocks08:09
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imbrandonoh wow LaserJock 08:56
imbrandonis that thing on linux.com what you were talking about from linus?08:56
LaserJockimbrandon: yes08:57
imbrandonahh i just seen it, yea he has alot of the same bitches i do it looks like08:57
imbrandon( plus i have a few astetic ones too )08:58
imbrandoni might have to use that gnome computer a little more and give it a try ( i'm still keeping my kde apps LOL )08:58
imbrandonamarok <308:59
imbrandonbrb smoke break08:59
imbrandonzakame, seems Linus drudged up the Gnome vs. KDE debate again08:59
LaserJockfor me I rarely *need* to change anything in Gnome that I can't so it's not a problem09:00
imbrandonLaserJock, yea and see i find stuff all the time i cant change without chaging code/recompile09:00
imbrandonand that irks me09:00
LaserJockyeah, I bet09:00
zakamecan't we all get along with the Aero thing? :P09:01
imbrandon"usability through obscurity" IMHO sucks09:01
imbrandonzakame, hehe09:01
zakamehe ought to lurk moar in 4chan09:02
LaserJockimbrandon: "usability through infinite configurability" sucks as well ;-)09:02
imbrandonLaserJock, well imho yes a dialog that you cant make heads or tails of ( the beryl config boxes come to mind ) sucks balls, BUT on the same had i dont think you should take away options just to make it easier, you should make it useable AND keep the options 09:03
imbrandonthats good design09:03
FujitsuI think GNOME could do better along the lines of configurability, but the simple, non-confusing options are also good. A `power user' or similar mode would be nice.09:03
imbrandonFujitsu, exactly and KDE gives me that , simple , sane defaults, but still configureable09:03
zakamewhy, oh why, did desktops got so complex?09:03
Fujitsuimbrandon: But wading through all of the options is going to drown a lot of people.09:04
LaserJockimbrandon: simple and sane defaults? how come the first thing I hear when I talk about KDE is "Oh, the defaults suck, you gotta configure it right before it's really good"09:04
imbrandonFujitsu, there are ways to make things useable , very useable without the traditional 10000 checkboxes09:04
LaserJockanyway, gotta get to bed09:05
imbrandonLaserJock, i never say that about Kubuntu ( KDE yes , not kubuntu )09:05
=== Fujitsu kicks LP and hopes the publisher will switch on.
imbrandonthats the main reason i use Kubuntu or SuSE , they have great defaults for KDE OOTB09:06
imbrandonLaser_away, ^^09:06
imbrandonLaser_away, gnight09:06
imbrandonkubuntu just wins over SuSE for package-management ( ala Debian ) :)09:06
FujitsuNot a fan of RPM, then?09:07
imbrandonhell no09:07
imbrandonerrm no Fujitsu 09:07
FujitsuI used Red Hat 7 and 8 for my first year of Linuxing... Been much better since I left RPM behind :)09:08
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imbrandonX over SSH isnt that slow09:38
imbrandonnot as slow as i thought it would be09:38
imbrandonhum ajmitch how do you start a just a gnome session e.g. not X/startx or gdm ( i'm trying to start a gnome session via ssh on a local X server )09:41
imbrandonKDE ther eis a startkde command like startx09:41
imbrandonbut there dosent seemto be a startgnome09:42
imbrandonhum , duh09:42
imbrandonthanks Laser_away 09:42
imbrandonln -s gnome-session startgnome09:44
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TheMusoimbrandon: heh09:53
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mr_pouitcould someone resync revu keyring (I've added a new email address to my gpg key, so it need resync, right ?). Thanks :)02:52
Hobbseemr_pouit: going....02:55
Hobbseemr_pouit: assuming you've sent your key to the keyservers, yes02:55
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Hobbseemr_pouit: done03:03
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Adri2000how can I add a dot (without underlining it) after ".I http://an.url/" in a man page?03:13
Adri2000StevenK: it's underlined :(03:17
StevenKMy *roff skills escape me at the moment.03:18
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StevenKMy zgrep over /usr/share/man/man1/*.gz also shows that the dots in the URL shouldn't be escaped.03:20
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mr_pouitHobbsee, thanks for syncing03:23
Hobbseemr_pouit: no problem03:23
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Adri2000StevenK: found it: .IR http://an.url/ .03:30
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bddebianHeya gang04:07
lionelhi bddebian04:08
bddebianHello lionel04:09
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MetaMorfoziShi all, i think, the libkonq4-dev package is broken05:20
MetaMorfoziSin kubuntu edgy with 3.5.6 kde05:21
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MetaMorfoziSAz albbi csomagoknak teljestetlen fggsgei vannak:  libkonq4-dev: Fgg ettl: libkonq4 (= 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1~edgy1) de csak 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1 telepthetE: Trtt csomagok05:21
MetaMorfoziSIt means something like this: The following package have undone dependancies, it depends on this: libkonq4 (=4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1~edgy1) but only  4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1 installable 05:23
MetaMorfoziSi'm don't know what is the problem, but the only difference in "~edgy1" suffix05:23
Adri2000sounds like -backports05:23
MetaMorfoziSwhat is backports?05:24
MetaMorfoziSand, how can i solve this?05:24
Adri2000can you try 'grep backports /etc/apt/sources.list' please?05:24
MetaMorfoziS deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse05:25
MetaMorfoziS deb-src http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse05:25
MetaMorfoziSwhat is the backport?05:25
Adri2000repository with newer packages backported from the development version05:26
mr_pouitAdri2000, iirc, backport do not handle libraries05:26
MetaMorfoziSso i need to comment that out?05:26
Adri2000mr_pouit: yes, it's unlikely to come from -backports, since the source package is kdebase05:27
mr_pouitAdri2000, maybe kubuntu.org repository ?05:27
Adri2000yep, that's what I was thinking of05:28
Adri2000for kde 3.5.605:28
MetaMorfoziSi'm don't really understand what yours saying, so is this problem solvable?05:28
MetaMorfoziSand how:)05:28
Adri2000MetaMorfoziS: 'grep kde /etc/apt/sources.list' please :)05:29
MetaMorfoziSdeb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest edgy main05:29
MetaMorfoziSthat is manually rewrited to kde-latest05:30
MetaMorfoziSon kubuntu org kde-3.5.6 written..05:30
MetaMorfoziSbut i don't want to rewrite that every version of kde05:30
Adri2000MetaMorfoziS: first, did you try sudo apt-get update?05:31
MetaMorfoziSa 10minute ago...05:31
Adri2000ok, you should go asking in #kubuntu, which is a support channel and where people might be able to help you05:32
MetaMorfoziSbut i tryed again, nothing changed05:32
MetaMorfoziSyep i know, but i thought in this room are more people who can help me...05:32
MetaMorfoziSnot this room is packager's room?05:32
Adri2000we (MOTUs) take care of universe and multiverse, kdebase is a main package and is kde specific05:33
MetaMorfoziShm, okay, but thank yours05:33
Adri2000no problem05:34
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MetaMorfoziSin kubvuntu nobody answers:/ as never05:38
MetaMorfoziSin kubuntu no helpers, i think i asked about 10questions in the last month, but i never getted answers:/05:38
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imbrandonMetaMorfoziS, Riddell will update the symlink to kde-latest when he gets a chance05:53
imbrandonits probably still pointing to 3.5.505:53
Lathiateasy-codec-installation is sexy06:00
Lathiatjust worked (tm)06:00
caravenaLathiat: : -D06:04
ajmitchyay, zope3 still doesn't work06:05
caravenaLathiat: ubuntu-calendar is "SEXY"06:05
imbrandonajmitch, rockin, sounds like some work06:05
Lathiatstill i have a list of 8 immediately obvious bugs from herd4, doh!06:05
caravenapackage ubuntu-calendar is COOL! : -D06:06
ajmitchimbrandon: bah06:07
ajmitchimbrandon: the bug of course isn't even in zope306:10
imbrandonof course06:10
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dokoajmitch: I'm not sure which bug you are talking about ...06:15
nixternalimbrandon: what's up homey :)06:15
ajmitchdoko: bug 8305306:16
UbugtuMalone bug 83053 in twisted-web2 "AttributeError: components.Interface" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8305306:16
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ajmitchdoko: btw I talked to salgado about the teams issue, he'll hopefully look at it this week06:17
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dokoajmitch: thanks06:25
imbrandonnixternal, heya06:27
imbrandonnixternal, nadda just finishing up my shift then off to the phone store to buy a new phone ( dropped mine in the snow and it died )06:28
imbrandonprobably grab one with bluetooth to try it out in linux06:28
somerville32imbrandon, Did you figure anything out for me yet?06:48
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nixternalLaser_away: when you get around, need to figure out what needs to be done for the Edubuntu docs package06:56
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fuocoi have a question: i have a package that uses an included python script to do the building and installation. the install path seems to be hard coded in it - what should i do then - change it to hard code the right path ?08:16
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superm1hey keescook you around?09:21
shawarmabddebian: Do you happen to have the build log from building network-manager-openvpn? The build works just fine here..09:35
bddebianshawarma: You have the maintainer set to Ubuntu MOTU Developers?09:35
shawarmabddebian: No.09:35
shawarmabddebian: I thought I'd fix the FTBFS first.09:36
shawarmabddebian: And you say maintainer should be set to "Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>" ?09:38
bddebianYep.  That is the only FTBFS for me :)09:38
shawarmabddebian: Huh? You wrote "pbuilder: Failed autobuilding of package "09:39
shawarmabddebian: Oh... You have a version of pbuilder that fails if maintainer is not @ubuntu.com ?09:39
bddebianThat's the pbuilder error due to the maintainer error09:39
bddebianIt just started happening to me yesterday :-(09:40
shawarmaI'm not as such againt moving targets, but sheeesh! You look away for a couple of days and all your packages start to ftbfs. :-)09:41
bddebianTell me about it :)09:41
ajmitchyay, massive breakage09:41
shawarmaSo... When we're merging.... WE should change the maintainer or what?09:41
bddebianIt's starting to look that way09:42
ajmitchmore work for you09:42
shawarmaajmitch: Yay!09:42
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somerville32bddebian, :D09:52
somerville32Please :)09:52
Adri2000somerville32: we are in UVF09:53
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=== somerville32 shall file a FFE.
coNPUVF means that new package software go to feisty-updates | -backports | #deisty+1 ?10:04
keescooksuperm1: in and out10:04
superm1keescook, i was just wondering what came of that uvfe?10:05
poningrusomerville32: catfish?10:05
keescooksuperm1: well, two motu-uvf folks said it was okay, but didn't change the bug to "confirmed", which is what the Wiki says they're supposed to do... so I commented on both, wondering if it was okay to upload.10:06
somerville32poningru, yes.10:06
superm1well in the meanwhile, did you grab the bzr sources so its ready tehn at least10:06
superm1*the bzr branch and upstream tarball10:06
keescooksuperm1: I checked out your bzr stuff, but didn't do a build yet.  :)10:07
keescookit'll be quick, though.10:07
superm1mkay, well i have a fresh build if you wanted at my personal repo (http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1)10:07
superm1if you dont feel like going through the build locally10:08
superm1i tested it the other day in a feisty VM, looks good to me :)10:08
keescooksuperm1: excellent.  :)10:08
keescookYeah, I'm assuming it's all been okay'd, but I want to follow process as much as possible.  :)10:09
superm1yea i certainly wouldnt want to be on the bad side for all the motu brethern....10:09
superm1dont blame you10:09
superm1siretart, could you comment on the bug, is it ready to be marked confirmed?  or does slomo still need to ack it too?10:13
somerville32poningru, Seems like there are some issues with it10:13
siretartsuperm1: which bug is that?10:14
somerville32(just telling you in case you were looking at it)10:14
superm1bug 8517210:14
UbugtuMalone bug 85172 in mythtv "UVFe: for newer upstream version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8517210:14
superm1and its compliment  bug 8520510:15
UbugtuMalone bug 85205 in mythplugins "UVFe: for newer upstream version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8520510:15
Adri2000hi siretart, if the wormux UVFe is ok, can you confirm it and unassign motu-uvf please?10:15
siretartAdri2000: bug no?10:16
Adri2000bug #8459510:17
UbugtuMalone bug 84595 in wormux "[UVF exception request]  wormux 0.7.9-2" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8459510:17
shawarmabddebian: I've uploaded the network-manager packages again with the updated maintainer field as the only change.10:19
shawarmabddebian: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4393 and 439410:19
siretartgnaa, bah, I'm tired. I just mixed SRU from UVF :/10:21
Adri2000siretart: ahh, actually it's already confirmed, so I can subscribe ubuntu-archive for the sync?10:21
siretartAdri2000: I'd say yes!10:22
Adri2000ok :)10:22
keescooksiretart: if you're happy with 85205 and 85172, I can do the uploads.10:23
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TheMusoHey MOTUs.10:24
crimsunsomerville32: why did you title 85881 a feature freeze exception request?10:25
crimsunwe're still five days out from FF10:25
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_ionI really, really, really hope http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4133 gets in before the freeze.10:27
siretarthm, since superm1 is bug contact, and actively looks after mythtv, I'm okay with both mythtv uploads10:27
superm1siretart, wonderful thanks :)10:28
poningrusuperm1: I had couple of suggestions10:30
poningrusuperm1: how about a mythtv standalone package10:30
superm1poningru, what do you mean standalone package?10:31
crimsundoes it take the unanimous approval of the LP MOTU UVF team or just one member's?10:31
poningrusuperm1: that includes the backend+frontend+mysqlconfiguration10:31
superm1poningru, i'm working towards that10:31
superm1there are a few metapackages that are being introduced here10:31
poningrusuperm1: woah dude I can help... learning to package in ubuntu right now10:31
superm1poningru, come to #ubuntu-mythtv10:31
superm1we can chat there so we dont clutter up motu10:32
shawarmaWho is daemon@poleboy.de? sistpoty?10:38
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shawarmacrimsun: so.... are you up for reviewing a couple of packages? FF is getting dangerously close.10:40
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crimsuntonight, if after I finish alsa triaging and packaging ardour2, sure.10:41
shawarmacrimsun: It's network-manager-{vpnc,openvpn} if you want to put them on a list of some sort.10:44
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shawarmaWho can change stuff in the REVU code?10:47
shawarmadon't be shy. It's a really tiny change..10:48
fdovingsiretart maybe? 10:49
shawarmasiretart: ^^ ?10:49
poningrushawarma: omg thank you10:53
poningrurexbron: vpnc and openvpn10:53
poningruerr re10:53
poningrusorry rexbron 10:53
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crimsun(it'd be nice if our NM had the requisite LEAP patches, but whatever)10:53
shawarmaponingru: Ah, you need them too? As I wrote on the mailing list. There's a *LOT* of demand for them. :-)10:54
poningrucrimsun: LEAP?10:54
crimsunproprietary cisco junk used by a lot of businesses and universities10:54
poningruincluding ufl.edu10:54
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poningruif only they used openvpn10:55
shawarmacrimsun: I was under the impression the vpnc plugin did the trick for most people?10:55
crimsunI have not tried it10:55
shawarmacrimsun: What about vpnc alone?10:56
crimsunup until last week, I've used interfaces(5) and wpa_supplicant.conf alone10:56
poningruit does but it does not use mga iirc10:56
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shawarmacrimsun: Ah, we're not talking vpn?10:56
shawarmacrimsun: I just assumed so given the context. :-)10:57
shawarmacrimsun: I'm on the nm mailing list. I think there has been some discussion about LEAP recently.10:57
shawarmacrimsun: Either that, or I'm on crack again.10:58
poningrucrimsun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_Extensible_Authentication_Protocol ?10:59
crimsunI'd assume there was at least a bit of discussion, as trunk has the patches, and people have blogged about using it10:59
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crimsunponingru: yes10:59
shawarmacrimsun: Ok.10:59
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poningruah thankfully our uni doesnt use it11:00
shawarmaNeither does ours. They just only allow access to a Cisco concentrator from the wifi so vpnc suffices which is semi-OK.11:01
shawarmaIf you're studying at the right faculty they even give out the group password for vpn on the intranet. :-)11:02
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sjh24I was wondering where I go to ask that two packages are updated?11:44
coNPsjh24: you want newer versions of packages ?11:46
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sjh24coNP: yes11:46
sjh24listen and music-applet11:46
coNPhey, we need some gnome expert :)11:47
zulenter a bug in launchpad11:47
sjh24listen just released 0.5 and music-applet just went 2.0.011:47
coNPI guess it will be synced anyway11:48
sjh24they aren't in debian yet11:48
coNPif gnome 2.18 ships them11:48
sjh24they aren't gnome proper11:49
coNPthen file bugs11:49
TheMusoIt is upstream version freeze, so there would have to be good reasons to update them.11:49
sjh24I think music-applet has good reasons... maybe less so for listen11:50
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