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| geser | ajmitch: looking at your list of missing bugfixes from Debian: do you know from where your script got the fixed debian version for cacti? | 12:25 |
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| ajmitch | yes | 12:27 |
| ajmitch | dbconfig-common | 12:27 |
| geser | it looks like it misparsed the fixed in versions line from the bug. it contains two packages | 12:27 |
| ajmitch | I know | 12:27 |
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| geser | ajmitch: can your script also scan the tags in Debian bugs? | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | I guess so | 12:58 |
| geser | can you search for Tags: security like in Debian bug #409296? | 12:59 |
| Ubugtu | Debian bug 409296 in mpg123 "CVE-2007-0578: http_open function in httpget.c can get into infinite loop" [Important,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/409296 | 12:59 |
| ajmitch | yeah, they're in the same summary file | 12:59 |
| ajmitch | sure, I'll try & get it to play along | 12:59 |
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| geser | it would be good if security bugs be also included in the list | 01:00 |
| geser | thanks | 01:00 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 02:05 |
| LaserJock | hi bddebian | 02:06 |
| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 02:07 |
| LaserJock | la la la MIR MIR MIR | 02:12 |
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| bddebian | LaserJock: :-) | 02:15 |
| bddebian | la la la gpib build sucks.. :-) | 02:15 |
| LaserJock | sorry dude | 02:16 |
| LaserJock | I use the proprietary (must use 2.4 kernel) crap for a reason | 02:16 |
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| imbrandon | hum | 02:30 |
| matt_good | hrm, I uploaded a package to REVU and it shows as uploaded by "matt@devi" which is my local Linux login & host instead of my email | 02:31 |
| matt_good | so I can't comment on it since it doesn't think I'm the uploader | 02:31 |
| matt_good | I tried setting DEBEMAIL and reuploading it, but that doesn't seem to have an effect | 02:31 |
| imbrandon | fix the debian/changelog ( should have been signed anyhow ) and reupload | 02:31 |
| bddebian | What did you use in debian/changelog? | 02:31 |
| imbrandon | heya bddebian | 02:32 |
| bddebian | Heya imbrandon | 02:32 |
| LaserJock | hi imbrandon | 02:33 |
| matt_good | bddebian/imbrandon: doh, yeah that seems to be the problem | 02:34 |
| imbrandon | heya LaserJock | 02:34 |
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| matt_good | I forgot to set DEBEMAIL in my .bashrc on my pbuilder machine | 02:34 |
| matt_good | imbrandon: yeah, it should have the right signature though, I guess REVU just check the changelog though | 02:35 |
| === Hobbsee waves | ||
| LaserJock | Hobbsee! | 02:37 |
| LongPointyStick | LaserJock!! | 02:37 |
| LaserJock | yikes! | 02:37 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 02:37 |
| LaserJock | I say hi to Hobbsee and LongPointyStick comes after me | 02:37 |
| matt_good | is REVU using an old lintian? | 02:38 |
| LaserJock | must be jelousy ;-) | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: haha | 02:38 |
| imbrandon | lol | 02:38 |
| === LongPointyStick hugs Hobbsee | ||
| imbrandon | matt_good, possibly | 02:38 |
| matt_good | it shows a "newer-standards-version 3.7.2" error, but I know that's supported on Edgy | 02:38 |
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| imbrandon | yes ignore that on tiber | 02:38 |
| crimsun | crimsun@tiber:~$ lsb_release -r | 02:39 |
| crimsun | Release: 6.06 | 02:39 |
| imbrandon | heya crimsun | 02:39 |
| matt_good | imbrandon: how about "source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 0.2.0-2"? | 02:39 |
| matt_good | what should I use for the revisions on new packages? | 02:40 |
| imbrandon | we dont worry about nmu error but that is the wrong versioning for ubuntu | 02:40 |
| imbrandon | depends , it goes like this ...... | 02:40 |
| imbrandon | <package>-upstreamXubuntuY where X is debian rev and Y is ubuntu rev | 02:41 |
| imbrandon | like upstream 3.4 would be 3.4-1 in debian and 3.4-1ubuntu1 in ubuntu , and if it wasent in debian it would be 3.4-0ubuntu1 | 02:41 |
| imbrandon | etc | 02:41 |
| imbrandon | thats the short of it, there are exceptions etc | 02:42 |
| imbrandon | thus ignore the nmu warning BUT the versioning is wrong | 02:42 |
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| imbrandon | ... | 02:44 |
| matt_good | imbrandon: so should I stick to -0ubuntu1 even if I make changes before it's accepted, or should I add new changelog entries for those? | 02:47 |
| Hobbsee | matt_good: keep at -0ubuntu1 | 02:48 |
| imbrandon | no, always version it what you intend to be uploaded | 02:48 |
| imbrandon | but -0ubuntu1 implys its not in debian, where did the package start from ? | 02:48 |
| imbrandon | heya Hobbsee | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | hey imbrandon :) | 02:49 |
| matt_good | imbrandon: it's my application which I've packaged | 02:50 |
| imbrandon | ok, just checking ;) | 02:50 |
| matt_good | and I think Debian's missing the packages for pygobject, so I can't package it there yet | 02:51 |
| matt_good | ok, one more lintian error: build-depends-without-arch-dep | 02:52 |
| matt_good | it mentions changing Build-Depends to Build-Depends-Indep, but there's an exception for debhelper | 02:52 |
| matt_good | I'm using debhelper, but should I move other dependencies into -Indep? | 02:53 |
| imbrandon | now python packaging isnt my stong point, you'll have to poke someone else for that | 02:59 |
| imbrandon | strong* | 02:59 |
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| matt_good | imbrandon: well, REVU thinks that the 0.2.0-2 version I uploaded is the latest, but that needs replaced with 0.2.0-0ubuntu1, is there any way to fix this? | 03:14 |
| matt_good | also despite fixing my email in the changelog it still thinks "matt@devi" is the uploader | 03:15 |
| matt_good | oh, it's still just showing the files from the earlier bad upload | 03:16 |
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| matt_good | oh, n/m | 03:22 |
| matt_good | I just realized I was just viewing that particular upload and that the others are separate pages | 03:23 |
| bddebian | Gawd I hate CDBS | 03:28 |
| imbrandon | lol bddebian | 03:30 |
| bddebian | I can't figure out where the fsck this build-tree dir is supposed to be coming from.. :-( | 03:31 |
| ajmitch | ah, cdbs magic | 03:32 |
| ajmitch | it's great | 03:32 |
| imbrandon | hum | 03:32 |
| ajmitch | using tarball.mk? | 03:33 |
| imbrandon | sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop | 03:34 |
| imbrandon | gah wrong damn keyboard, not jsut window | 03:34 |
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| bddebian | ajmitch: Yes :-( | 03:36 |
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| bddebian | ajmitch: But after all the clean crap, the first couple errors I get are: | 03:38 |
| bddebian | dh_clean | 03:38 |
| bddebian | cd build-tree/linux-gpib-3.2.08 && python2.4 language/python/setup.py clean -a | 03:38 |
| bddebian | cd: 1: can't cd to build-tree/linux-gpib-3.2.08 | 03:38 |
| bddebian | make: [python-clean-2.4] Error 2 (ignored) | 03:38 |
| matt_good | imbrandon: if you have two monitors try synergy -- synergy2.sf.net | 03:38 |
| imbrandon | i have many monitors ;) | 03:39 |
| matt_good | synergy's a software KM switch | 03:39 |
| matt_good | basically you move the mouse off the edge of the screen and it controls the mouse & keyboard on the other computer | 03:39 |
| matt_good | over then network | 03:40 |
| matt_good | but of course each box needs a monitor | 03:40 |
| imbrandon | ahh, wouldent be pratical for me, but sounds cool | 03:40 |
| imbrandon | wb LaserJock | 03:41 |
| LaserJock | hi all | 03:41 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: I feel your pain, I'm trying to figure out how to work with the CDBS in ubuntu-docs | 03:43 |
| bddebian | heh | 03:43 |
| bddebian | This is frickin' craziness. I get a different problem building locally | 03:43 |
| crimsun | mm, libflashsupport has all sorts of cruft | 03:45 |
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| RAOF | Does anyone want to review: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4300 (gnome-compiz-manager | 03:58 |
| RAOF | )? | 03:58 |
| RAOF | It's not my package, I'd just like to make sure it gets in :) | 03:58 |
| Q-FUNK | do we get to have any beryl package for feisty? | 03:59 |
| RAOF | I've looked at it, and it seems OK (except for needing a depencency on 4.1.0) | 03:59 |
| RAOF | I've looked at it, and it seems OK (except for needing a depencency on debhelper 4.1.0) | 03:59 |
| LaserJock | Q-FUNK: not that I know of yet | 04:03 |
| esaym | anybody know where a changelog would be for the ubuntu kernels? | 04:03 |
| Q-FUNK | LaserJock: we seem to have the beryl config tool, but not beryl-core, for some strange reason | 04:04 |
| imbrandon | esaym, http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-source-2.6.20_2.6.20-8.14/changelog | 04:05 |
| imbrandon | and the like | 04:05 |
| imbrandon | ( e.g. debian/changlog ) | 04:05 |
| esaym | ok thanks you! | 04:06 |
| esaym | I would like to meet this ben collins guys ;) | 04:06 |
| esaym | guy* | 04:06 |
| imbrandon | yea BenC is a nice guy | 04:06 |
| imbrandon | but i'm still gonna beat him in bowling next conf | 04:07 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 04:07 |
| LaserJock | Q-FUNK: I think beryl-core was rejected | 04:07 |
| RAOF | imbrandon: is that Wii bowling? 'Cause I rock at that :) | 04:07 |
| imbrandon | real bowling ;) | 04:07 |
| RAOF | :P | 04:08 |
| bddebian | OK obviously this is over my head :'-( | 04:08 |
| crimsun | you need combined powers of the motu trinity. | 04:09 |
| bddebian | crimsun: No one ever wants to help me :'-( | 04:09 |
| crimsun | ping me tomorrow mid-afternoon EST | 04:09 |
| bddebian | OK, if I can. Thx | 04:10 |
| LaserJock | hmm, maybe some sort of Power Rangers combination of powers is what we need | 04:10 |
| bddebian | heh | 04:10 |
| bddebian | Man, between .NET at work, glibc for Hurd, and Ubuntu stuff I feel like a complete failure these days :-( | 04:11 |
| LaserJock | actually, Transformers might be more appropriate for MOTU ;-) | 04:11 |
| imbrandon | haha i cant wait for the new transformers movie | 04:11 |
| === ajmitch should probably find some food sometime today | ||
| bddebian | imbrandon: Aye, the trailer looks cool | 04:16 |
| imbrandon | hum is the evolution exchange connector packaged? | 04:17 |
| imbrandon | guess so | 04:18 |
| === poningru hugs bddebian | ||
| poningru | you'll always be a success in our eyes :) | 04:18 |
| bddebian | Hah, right, but thanks :-) | 04:19 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: you still do more than me :P | 04:22 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: how long are you sticking around for? | 04:26 |
| === ajmitch uses cdbs+tarball.mk in a couple of packages | ||
| bddebian | I'm probably up for at least a couple of hours | 04:27 |
| ajmitch | right | 04:27 |
| === ajmitch is heading out for an hour or so now | ||
| ajmitch | so I may be able to look at it | 04:28 |
| bddebian | ok, thx | 04:28 |
| RAOF | Oooh. bddebian, can you summon me when ajmitch gets back and explains tarball.mk? I've always wanted to know what the hell that does :) | 04:35 |
| bddebian | RAOF: You can have a tarball embedded inside a source tarball. So foo-1.0.orig.tar.gz unzips to /debian + foo.tar.gz or so | 04:37 |
| bddebian | tarball.mk unzips foo.tar.gz before building | 04:37 |
| bddebian | I'm probably oversimplifying it a little but that's the gist of it | 04:38 |
| RAOF | Why would you want to do that, though? So much that it's the default in dh_make? | 04:38 |
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| bddebian | RAOF: I wouldn't. I frickin' hate packages that have tarballs in the source package :-) | 04:39 |
| RAOF | I thought it was against policy to have tarballs in the source package, too :) | 04:39 |
| bddebian | Well pull the gpib source for an example if you don't believe me :) | 04:42 |
| RAOF | :( | 04:42 |
| bddebian | Why :(? | 04:43 |
| bddebian | Gah, is this new? | 04:45 |
| bddebian | dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address | 04:45 |
| bddebian | pbuilder: Failed autobuilding of package | 04:45 |
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| imbrandon | what? thats strange, ubuntu revisions dosent mean a ubuntu-dev did it | 04:50 |
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| LaserJock | bddebian: that's the new Maintainer spec | 04:57 |
| LaserJock | you need to adjust the Maintainer field | 04:57 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField | 04:58 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Ah, I didn't know it was decided, thx | 05:03 |
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| LaserJock | hmm | 05:32 |
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| bddebian | Gah, what package is /lib/modules/linux-foo/ from? | 05:39 |
| RAOF | bddebian: Can't you just "dpkg -S /lib/modules/linux-foo" ? | 05:41 |
| nixternal | boo | 05:42 |
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| bddebian | RAOF: Hmm, I didn't think it would work but it did, thx | 05:43 |
| RAOF | bddebian: You could return the favour by fixing python-pyinotify on AMD64 :P | 05:48 |
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| bddebian | RAOF: Send me an amd64 and I'll be happy to try :) | 05:51 |
| RAOF | Failing that, could you point me to the debian-maintainer spec LaserJock gave you, so I could builld the sources and see what's breaking? | 05:53 |
| bddebian | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField | 05:53 |
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| RAOF | Thanks muchly | 05:55 |
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| RAOF | Anyone know how to fix linking problems in python, I'm trying to fix bug #85705 | 06:02 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 85705 in pyinotify "Undefined symbol error when importing pyinotify" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85705 | 06:02 |
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| tonyyarusso | Anyone know how many megs the minimal install that pbuilder needs actually is? | 06:04 |
| RAOF | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 82M 2007-02-09 11:28 feisty-base.tgz | 06:05 |
| RAOF | That's a minimal feisty pbuilder chroot. | 06:05 |
| LaserJock | that's tar'd up though | 06:05 |
| RAOF | True, but that's how much it takes up on disc. | 06:06 |
| RAOF | When it's not being used. | 06:06 |
| tonyyarusso | So,, probably 100ish. hmm | 06:06 |
| RAOF | Hey, Amaranth. You're a python god, right? | 06:06 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: still alive? | 06:06 |
| tonyyarusso | Well, I could probably get that by about Sunday afternoon if I let it run, but it's a weekend so the family needs on too. Dang. | 06:06 |
| Amaranth | RAOF: sure, why not | 06:07 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: More or less. | 06:07 |
| RAOF | You don't need a pbuilder to package properly. Although it is helpful | 06:07 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: still having issues? | 06:07 |
| RAOF | Amaranth: How would you debug a linking error in a python module? | 06:07 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: I sort of figured out my problem but I'm debating whether to try to get it to build the modules or add the patches back in to not build them :-( | 06:07 |
| RAOF | Amaranth: Or rather, how would you fix it so it's correctly linked. | 06:07 |
| Amaranth | RAOF: you're building a C extension and getting linker errors? | 06:08 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: ah alright | 06:08 |
| tonyyarusso | RAOF: First crack at it, figured it might be a good idea. | 06:08 |
| Amaranth | RAOF: what are the errors | 06:08 |
| RAOF | Amaranth: I'm talking about bug #85705 | 06:08 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 85705 in pyinotify "Undefined symbol error when importing pyinotify" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85705 | 06:08 |
| Amaranth | tonyyarusso: pbuilders _always_ has to get more stuff | 06:08 |
| === ajmitch checks | ||
| ajmitch | RAOF: only on amd64? | 06:08 |
| Amaranth | tonyyarusso: afaik that 82M is just "essential" packages | 06:08 |
| RAOF | ajmitch: Only tested on AMD64. | 06:08 |
| ajmitch | RAOF: right | 06:08 |
| tonyyarusso | Amaranth: right | 06:08 |
| RAOF | ajmitch: I suppose I could try and fire up my i386 pbuilder. | 06:08 |
| Amaranth | RAOF: rebuild the package please | 06:08 |
| RAOF | ajmitch: I'll go check :) | 06:08 |
| bddebian | But damn, neither linux-headers-foo, linux-restricted-modules-common, nor linux-source-foo puts stuff in /lib/modules :-( | 06:09 |
| RAOF | Amaranth: Have done. Same result. | 06:09 |
| === ajmitch installs pyinotify | ||
| RAOF | Amaranth: I've also just installed it with "sudo python setup.py install --prefix=/usr", and the same thing's happening. | 06:10 |
| === ajmitch tests on x86 | ||
| RAOF | So it doesn't seem to be a problem with the packaging per-se | 06:10 |
| === Amaranth stabs that package name | ||
| === RAOF would love it to be renamed python-inotify | ||
| Amaranth | /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/pyinotify/inotify.py:49: RuntimeWarning: Python C API version mismatch for module _inotify: This Python has API version 1013, module _inotify has version 1012. | 06:11 |
| ajmitch | RAOF: probably some change in python2.5 | 06:11 |
| Amaranth | this is what i get | 06:11 |
| ajmitch | how special | 06:11 |
| Amaranth | i'll try to fix it | 06:11 |
| ajmitch | so it needs updated, should be trivial | 06:12 |
| RAOF | Except I've just built it on my AMD64 box. And it gives *me* a different error. | 06:12 |
| ajmitch | RAOF: not necessarily rebuilding | 06:12 |
| Amaranth | Py_InitModule4 probably doesn't exist anymore | 06:13 |
| Amaranth | python doesn't guarantee extension api/abi | 06:13 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: so it fails for you on x86? | 06:13 |
| RAOF | Sorry, I seem to have read "updated" as "rebuilt" :) | 06:13 |
| ajmitch | there are certainly some amd64-only bugs out there, eg bug 83551 | 06:13 |
| Amaranth | ajmitch: yeah | 06:13 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 83551 in rhythmbox "python plugins don't work in amd64" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83551 | 06:13 |
| Amaranth | damn i need to update my pbuilder more often | 06:14 |
| ajmitch | hehe | 06:14 |
| Amaranth | it's 80MB and i have to get 40MB of packages :P | 06:14 |
| ajmitch | import pyinotify worked fine on x86 laptop, which is out of date | 06:15 |
| ajmitch | but it's still py 2.5 | 06:15 |
| Amaranth | interesting | 06:15 |
| === ajmitch upgrades to the latest & greatest feisty | ||
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| Amaranth | dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address | 06:17 |
| Amaranth | i am going to stab someone | 06:17 |
| RAOF | Hm. inotify.c uses Py_InitModule3, but that never hits the object code. | 06:17 |
| Amaranth | why does the maintainer have to have an ubuntu address? | 06:18 |
| RAOF | Amaranth: Debian-maintainer spec. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField | 06:18 |
| Amaranth | yeah but what if i want to use my gmail address? :) | 06:18 |
| RAOF | :) | 06:18 |
| Amaranth | wtf | 06:19 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: to inconvenience us | 06:19 |
| Amaranth | i still get the API warning after building :P | 06:19 |
| Amaranth | the version warning, i mean | 06:20 |
| RAOF | Oh. | 06:20 |
| RAOF | I *think* it might be building 2.4 modules only. | 06:20 |
| Amaranth | does inotify work if you use python2.4? | 06:21 |
| RAOF | Yup. | 06:22 |
| RAOF | :( | 06:22 |
| RAOF | Or, at least, it imports. | 06:22 |
| Amaranth | it almost looks like it's building the python 2.4 version and calling it the python 2.5 version... | 06:22 |
| Amaranth | for python in $(PYVERS); do \ | 06:24 |
| Amaranth | $$python setup.py install --root=$(CURDIR)/debian/python-pyinotify; \ | 06:24 |
| Amaranth | hrm | 06:24 |
| Amaranth | i think it installs the 2.4 version on top of the 2.5 version | 06:24 |
| RAOF | Oh, it also doesn't clean between building different versions. | 06:28 |
| RAOF | for python in $(PYVERS) ; do "$${python}" setup.py build' | 06:29 |
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| RAOF | Do you want to fix that Amaranth, or shall I give it a try? | 06:30 |
| Amaranth | go ahead | 06:33 |
| Amaranth | i was trying to convert it to cdbs :P | 06:34 |
| RAOF | Hm. That *would* be easy :) | 06:34 |
| RAOF | Amaranth: Done. Shall I add a debdiff to the bug? | 06:51 |
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| === Fujitsu wonders if we can collect some people and revolt against the debian-maintainer spec. | ||
| TheMuso | Fujitsu: ?? | 07:01 |
| TheMuso | WHy? | 07:01 |
| Fujitsu | It's inconveniencing (it's no longer possible to create packages unless you're an Ubuntu Member, some maintainers (such as myself) don't use @ubuntu.com, so have to have the field mangled)... There's no option to have it unmangled. | 07:03 |
| Fujitsu | With the binary-mangling, there was at least a method to opt-out. | 07:04 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: it won't be hard to find annoyed people | 07:05 |
| ajmitch | but I doubt it'll do much good | 07:05 |
| ajmitch | did you see that doko has uploaded a fixed zope3? | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | it's not really that bad though | 07:05 |
| TheMuso | I guess it won't bother me, as I use themuso@ubuntu.com | 07:05 |
| === ajmitch uses ajmitch@debian.org for some packages | ||
| LaserJock | they idea is that we are supposed to use ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com | 07:06 |
| LaserJock | so it shouldn't matter | 07:06 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch, nice. How'd he fix it? | 07:06 |
| ajmitch | from the changelog, looks like he just had some patches | 07:07 |
| ajmitch | & it's 3.3.1 | 07:07 |
| Fujitsu | Ah. | 07:07 |
| Fujitsu | I'm not up-to-date with feisty-changes since Herd 4. | 07:07 |
| === Fujitsu gets up to date. | ||
| TheMuso | Fujitsu: Oh you mean for the maintainer field. | 07:08 |
| TheMuso | I thought you meant for the changelog entries. | 07:08 |
| Fujitsu | TheMuso, ah. | 07:08 |
| TheMuso | but I guess it still causes the same problems. | 07:08 |
| RAOF | Right. #85705 now has a fix attached. | 07:08 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch: It seems to just be 3.3.1. That patch was already existing (it's the one that fixes that issue in Edgy). | 07:09 |
| ajmitch | ok | 07:09 |
| ajmitch | hm | 07:09 |
| TheMuso | bug 85795 | 07:09 |
| ajmitch | we'll see how well 3.3.1 goes :) | 07:09 |
| TheMuso | bug 85705 | 07:09 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 85705 in pyinotify "Undefined symbol error when importing pyinotify" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85705 | 07:09 |
| ajmitch | http://svn.zope.org/*checkout*/Zope3/tags/3.3.1/doc/CHANGES.txt | 07:09 |
| === Fujitsu tests if 3.3.1 will actually start. | ||
| ajmitch | I hope so | 07:10 |
| Fujitsu | `Fixed issue 535: make HTTPInputStream work with Python 2.4.4.'... That should obsolete the patch the changelog says he updated. | 07:10 |
| Fujitsu | Soyuz seems to have eaten that upload. | 07:13 |
| Fujitsu | There's an accepted message, but that's all. | 07:13 |
| bddebian | Gnight gang | 07:14 |
| Fujitsu | Night, bddebian. | 07:14 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, the publisher is probably still on manual. | 07:16 |
| ajmitch | shouldn't be | 07:17 |
| Fujitsu | Well, there are 62 items in Accepted. | 07:17 |
| Fujitsu | They're not being published. | 07:17 |
| ajmitch | you may be right | 07:18 |
| ajmitch | how inconvenient | 07:18 |
| Fujitsu | And it's a weekend too. | 07:19 |
| Fujitsu | No Zope for me. | 07:19 |
| ajmitch | sigh | 07:19 |
| === ajmitch fetches the source to build | ||
| ajmitch | or not | 07:20 |
| ajmitch | not even the source package is published this time | 07:20 |
| TheMuso | hahaha | 07:20 |
| Fujitsu | No. | 07:20 |
| Fujitsu | Exactly. | 07:20 |
| ajmitch | I had other stuff go through earlier | 07:20 |
| Fujitsu | Everything since 7am AEST this morning is still there. | 07:20 |
| Fujitsu | s/this morning // | 07:20 |
| ajmitch | probably something broken, rather than the publisher being disabled intentionally | 07:21 |
| Fujitsu | Like someone not starting something after the last rollout, which happened last time? | 07:21 |
| === Fujitsu ponders asking in #launchpad. | ||
| ajmitch | is beta running? | 07:21 |
| Fujitsu | No. | 07:21 |
| Fujitsu | beta is still 503ing. | 07:21 |
| ajmitch | sigh | 07:22 |
| ajmitch | been like that for hours | 07:22 |
| Fujitsu | I would presume a rollout would take somewhat less than 10 hours. | 07:22 |
| Fujitsu | (it's been broken since I got up) | 07:22 |
| ajmitch | yes, same | 07:22 |
| ajmitch | & I repointed my bookmarks towards beta.lp | 07:22 |
| Fujitsu | Yep, all my keyword bookmarks do too. | 07:23 |
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| Fujitsu | I'm sure they impressed upon their devs a couple of weeks ago that beta.lp was now a critical service, and should have similar uptime to production. | 07:23 |
| ajmitch | hah | 07:23 |
| ajmitch | funny | 07:23 |
| imbrandon | lol | 07:24 |
| ajmitch | you are too cynical sometimes :) | 07:24 |
| Fujitsu | I do that. | 07:24 |
| TheMuso | heh | 07:24 |
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| LaserJock | well, that wasn't nice | 07:25 |
| ajmitch | no, it wasn't, was it? | 07:26 |
| LaserJock | I was KDE and it just shut my computer off | 07:26 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, huh? | 07:27 |
| LaserJock | I've had very bad luck with KDE and power managment | 07:27 |
| ajmitch | turn back to GNOME | 07:28 |
| LaserJock | I did | 07:28 |
| ajmitch | it's a sign | 07:28 |
| LaserJock | but I keep trying KDE | 07:28 |
| imbrandon | heh , thats funny because they both use the same backend | 07:28 |
| imbrandon | for PM | 07:28 |
| LaserJock | well, must be the frontend or something | 07:28 |
| LaserJock | but KDE was randomly hibernating last time | 07:28 |
| imbrandon | if its a bug in the frontend UI Riddell and Sebas are upstream , hint hint | 07:28 |
| imbrandon | :) | 07:29 |
| LaserJock | well, they'll just laugh at me I guess | 07:29 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, I had KDE hibernate on me a few times during Dapper development, when I had a GNOME session at the sa me time. | 07:29 |
| imbrandon | although i did install gnome on a box at home last night, just to have one pure ubuntu box | 07:29 |
| imbrandon | shhh | 07:29 |
| Fujitsu | :O | 07:30 |
| === Fujitsu tells... Hobbsee! | ||
| Fujitsu | (*jarring chord*) | 07:30 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee won't mind | 07:30 |
| imbrandon | heh hobbsee plays with gnome now and then too, and SuSE and stuff hehe | 07:30 |
| ajmitch | what a confused individual | 07:30 |
| LaserJock | well, I just can't trust KDE unfortunately on my laptop | 07:30 |
| Fujitsu | SuSE? Ick. | 07:31 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, i would look deeper into it serouisly, not to start a KDE / Gnome thing, but they are using the same PM backends | 07:31 |
| imbrandon | that is if you have the time | 07:31 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: I know | 07:31 |
| LaserJock | I just can't have my "production" machine randomly quiting | 07:32 |
| LaserJock | I'm not sure if I get any data loss | 07:32 |
| LaserJock | but I was in the middle of a lengthy build | 07:33 |
| imbrandon | haha i dont have any "production" machines anymore | 07:33 |
| imbrandon | lol | 07:33 |
| imbrandon | other than the servers | 07:33 |
| LaserJock | well, my "production" machine runs Feisty | 07:33 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, start long builds on aurora with screen :) | 07:34 |
| imbrandon | tis what i do | 07:34 |
| LaserJock | it's not a pbuilder build | 07:34 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 07:34 |
| zakame | screen screen screen, we all screen for ice screen | 07:34 |
| imbrandon | i was this >< close to getting jokosher running on windows this morning | 07:34 |
| TheMuso | zakame: lol | 07:34 |
| LaserJock | I'm working on upstream stuff | 07:35 |
| zakame | hi all btw :D | 07:35 |
| LaserJock | I finally got some working C++ | 07:35 |
| imbrandon | heya zakme | 07:35 |
| LaserJock | I'm so proud of myself ;-) | 07:35 |
| TheMuso | Heya zakame. | 07:35 |
| imbrandon | zakame* | 07:35 |
| zakame | woo LaserJock :D | 07:35 |
| zakame | hi TheMuso, imbrandon :) | 07:35 |
| === zakame is playing upstream lately | ||
| === Fujitsu pulls zakame back downstream. | ||
| LaserJock | it's kinda fun | 07:36 |
| zakame | hehe | 07:36 |
| LaserJock | I think I like upstreaming better than distro'ing | 07:36 |
| Fujitsu | I prefer them in different ways. | 07:36 |
| Fujitsu | And I prefer Python to C++ in most situations. | 07:37 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: well, I was starting to get the hang of some KDE stuff, and got some customization done | 07:37 |
| Fujitsu | Python == good. | 07:37 |
| zakame | quite quite | 07:37 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: I'm learning both | 07:37 |
| LaserJock | I think it's handy | 07:37 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, rockin, dont give up now ;) | 07:37 |
| === ajmitch is not qualified to be an upstream | ||
| ajmitch | it requires having users | 07:37 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: it's too bad I use my laptop so much | 07:37 |
| imbrandon | i did the upstream thing for a long time , its tireing | 07:37 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: as what? | 07:38 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, what do you mean as what? | 07:38 |
| imbrandon | heh | 07:38 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: what upstream? | 07:38 |
| imbrandon | what project ? | 07:38 |
| zakame | holy upstream, bzrman | 07:38 |
| imbrandon | ahh , mono mostly ( some kde cruft where i could ) | 07:38 |
| ajmitch | interesting | 07:39 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: only very occasionally. and then reverts. | 07:40 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, ohh i know, same here, i was just making a point :) | 07:40 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: :P | 07:40 |
| imbrandon | although like i said i did set aside a 1.8ghz celeron just for a pure ubuntu / gnome box last night | 07:40 |
| imbrandon | so i would have one arround | 07:41 |
| imbrandon | to test / play with stuff | 07:41 |
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| imbrandon | only has 512mb ram , but its still ok to use, just not compile on | 07:42 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 07:42 |
| LaserJock | well, I was reading about some of LInus' comments (please don't flame me) on KDE and so I thought I'd try it :-) | 07:42 |
| TheMuso | imbrandon: 512MB of ram is ok for compilation. | 07:43 |
| LaserJock | grrrr, I can't get svn.debian.org | 07:43 |
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| imbrandon | TheMuso, yea but i'm spoiled ;) | 07:43 |
| imbrandon | leaste in that respect | 07:44 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, hahaha | 07:44 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, it all depends on what you want, here is how i explain it to people , kde is more like windows, gnome is more like osx ( out of the box for both ) , kde == customizeable to the tilt but dialogs etc a little more complex, gnome == silmpler interface but at the expense of customization | 07:45 |
| ajmitch | hobbsee left us :( | 07:45 |
| imbrandon | thats just my 0.2c | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: maybe that's why I like OS X more than Windows | 07:46 |
| imbrandon | but little things you notice like gnome / osx , in a dialog you change something it takes effect imeadately, kde / windows it dosent untill you hit apply or OK, and lots of other little things like that, i'm not talking just the placement of the pannels | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: I just can't get around my feeling that KDE is less polished, more of a "lets see what crack we can do" | 07:47 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, hahah see i feel the exact other way about gnome, it just dosent feel "done" to me | 07:48 |
| TheMuso | To each their own. | 07:48 |
| imbrandon | yup yup | 07:48 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: what parts? | 07:48 |
| TheMuso | I will be able to make a better decision once KDE is accessible. | 07:48 |
| imbrandon | i dont knock the other, just dont use it day to day :) | 07:48 |
| lotusleaf | Kubuntu > Jesus | 07:49 |
| imbrandon | TheMuso, there is lots of QT KDE accessability tools | 07:49 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, mostly UI elements | 07:49 |
| Fujitsu | lotusleaf, to me, that's not saying much. :P | 07:49 |
| TheMuso | imbrandon: But they don't integrate the way the GNOME accessibility tools do. | 07:49 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, to me GTK is only half done | 07:49 |
| lotusleaf | Fujitsu: Kubuntu > * | 07:49 |
| === Fujitsu finds GTK well done. | ||
| lotusleaf | Fujitsu: I love the driving differences between the two | 07:50 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, you have never seen QT toolset then | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: can narrow it done any? I'm curious | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | *can you | 07:50 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, like as if the dev said "ok it works ..." and went on to the next thing, instead of finishing it out totaly | 07:50 |
| imbrandon | its justa feeling | 07:50 |
| imbrandon | feels like a VB6 app on windows does to me | 07:51 |
| imbrandon | no offence , cant find a better word, but amitureish | 07:51 |
| imbrandon | but not exactly | 07:51 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: like code wise? | 07:51 |
| LaserJock | or actual look? | 07:51 |
| Fujitsu | The new original-maintainer prefix is XSBC-, right? | 07:52 |
| imbrandon | no like look / feel / use , wise | 07:52 |
| imbrandon | code wise i could get over | 07:52 |
| imbrandon | looks and interface to me is 70% of my computing experince | 07:54 |
| imbrandon | code i can look past and cleanup later etc etc etc | 07:54 |
| imbrandon | but as we've said in the past, its all personaly prefrence at this point, a few years ago there was alot of diffrences, but today they are both great desktops | 07:55 |
| imbrandon | its just where you choose your "home" | 07:55 |
| imbrandon | and the driving forces behind each one | 07:56 |
| TheMuso | imbrandon: WHen is KDE 4 due? | 07:57 |
| elkbuntu | ooh, gnome vs kde rants... noice | 07:57 |
| imbrandon | like i personaly beleave in the kde way vs the gnome way in that KDE you shouldent "hide" a option from a user but you should make it not a cluster FSCK of a dialog box either, Gnome will make a simpler dialog box at the expence of too many options for the user | 07:57 |
| imbrandon | just as a general rule on them both, there are exceptions obviously | 07:58 |
| imbrandon | elkbuntu, no rants | 07:58 |
| imbrandon | just BS'ing | 07:58 |
| TheMuso | imbrandon: I really wish I could check out the KDE experience. | 07:58 |
| imbrandon | TheMuso, the first bets's have been out a few months, sometime 2Q 2007 iirc | 07:58 |
| imbrandon | beta's * | 07:59 |
| TheMuso | awww | 07:59 |
| === TheMuso hasn't heard any word on accessibility. | ||
| TheMuso | I am on the kde accessibility list. | 07:59 |
| TheMuso | Which has been quiet for weeks. | 07:59 |
| TheMuso | Heh. Not since 2 December has there been a post. | 07:59 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: hmm, I just don't know how you can see a difference between the look of gtk and qt | 08:00 |
| elkbuntu | personally for me, i find that whenever i try kde, i spend a crapload of time trying to make it gnome-like, so i just stick with gnome | 08:00 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: if anything I've found qt less "polished" in the sense of not being so smooth and having artifacts | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | it seem odd that people can find so much difference | 08:01 |
| === Fujitsu gets annoyed at the ksycoca having to rebuild on each Qt application start. Lots of delay! | ||
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, you must be running a kdeapp not qt app , and also not have kded or someting running | 08:04 |
| imbrandon | it shouldent rebuild everytime | 08:04 |
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| imbrandon | hum | 08:09 |
| imbrandon | gmail just rocks | 08:09 |
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| imbrandon | oh wow LaserJock | 08:56 |
| imbrandon | is that thing on linux.com what you were talking about from linus? | 08:56 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: yes | 08:57 |
| imbrandon | ahh i just seen it, yea he has alot of the same bitches i do it looks like | 08:57 |
| imbrandon | ( plus i have a few astetic ones too ) | 08:58 |
| imbrandon | i might have to use that gnome computer a little more and give it a try ( i'm still keeping my kde apps LOL ) | 08:58 |
| imbrandon | amarok <3 | 08:59 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 08:59 |
| imbrandon | brb smoke break | 08:59 |
| zakame | bitching? | 08:59 |
| imbrandon | zakame, seems Linus drudged up the Gnome vs. KDE debate again | 08:59 |
| imbrandon | http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/02/16/1937237&from=rss | 08:59 |
| LaserJock | for me I rarely *need* to change anything in Gnome that I can't so it's not a problem | 09:00 |
| zakame | buwahaha | 09:00 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, yea and see i find stuff all the time i cant change without chaging code/recompile | 09:00 |
| imbrandon | and that irks me | 09:00 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I bet | 09:00 |
| zakame | can't we all get along with the Aero thing? :P | 09:01 |
| imbrandon | "usability through obscurity" IMHO sucks | 09:01 |
| imbrandon | zakame, hehe | 09:01 |
| zakame | he ought to lurk moar in 4chan | 09:02 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: "usability through infinite configurability" sucks as well ;-) | 09:02 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, well imho yes a dialog that you cant make heads or tails of ( the beryl config boxes come to mind ) sucks balls, BUT on the same had i dont think you should take away options just to make it easier, you should make it useable AND keep the options | 09:03 |
| imbrandon | thats good design | 09:03 |
| Fujitsu | I think GNOME could do better along the lines of configurability, but the simple, non-confusing options are also good. A `power user' or similar mode would be nice. | 09:03 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, exactly and KDE gives me that , simple , sane defaults, but still configureable | 09:03 |
| zakame | why, oh why, did desktops got so complex? | 09:03 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon: But wading through all of the options is going to drown a lot of people. | 09:04 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: simple and sane defaults? how come the first thing I hear when I talk about KDE is "Oh, the defaults suck, you gotta configure it right before it's really good" | 09:04 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, there are ways to make things useable , very useable without the traditional 10000 checkboxes | 09:04 |
| LaserJock | anyway, gotta get to bed | 09:05 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, i never say that about Kubuntu ( KDE yes , not kubuntu ) | 09:05 |
| imbrandon | :) | 09:05 |
| === Fujitsu kicks LP and hopes the publisher will switch on. | ||
| imbrandon | thats the main reason i use Kubuntu or SuSE , they have great defaults for KDE OOTB | 09:06 |
| imbrandon | Laser_away, ^^ | 09:06 |
| imbrandon | Laser_away, gnight | 09:06 |
| imbrandon | kubuntu just wins over SuSE for package-management ( ala Debian ) :) | 09:06 |
| Fujitsu | Not a fan of RPM, then? | 09:07 |
| imbrandon | hell no | 09:07 |
| imbrandon | errm no Fujitsu | 09:07 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 09:07 |
| Fujitsu | I used Red Hat 7 and 8 for my first year of Linuxing... Been much better since I left RPM behind :) | 09:08 |
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| imbrandon | hrm | 09:38 |
| imbrandon | X over SSH isnt that slow | 09:38 |
| imbrandon | not as slow as i thought it would be | 09:38 |
| imbrandon | hum ajmitch how do you start a just a gnome session e.g. not X/startx or gdm ( i'm trying to start a gnome session via ssh on a local X server ) | 09:41 |
| imbrandon | KDE ther eis a startkde command like startx | 09:41 |
| imbrandon | but there dosent seemto be a startgnome | 09:42 |
| Laser_away | gnome-session | 09:42 |
| imbrandon | hum , duh | 09:42 |
| imbrandon | thanks Laser_away | 09:42 |
| imbrandon | ln -s gnome-session startgnome | 09:44 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 09:44 |
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| TheMuso | imbrandon: heh | 09:53 |
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| mr_pouit | could someone resync revu keyring (I've added a new email address to my gpg key, so it need resync, right ?). Thanks :) | 02:52 |
| Hobbsee | mr_pouit: going.... | 02:55 |
| Hobbsee | mr_pouit: assuming you've sent your key to the keyservers, yes | 02:55 |
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| Hobbsee | mr_pouit: done | 03:03 |
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| Adri2000 | how can I add a dot (without underlining it) after ".I http://an.url/" in a man page? | 03:13 |
| StevenK | \. | 03:14 |
| Adri2000 | StevenK: it's underlined :( | 03:17 |
| StevenK | My *roff skills escape me at the moment. | 03:18 |
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| StevenK | My zgrep over /usr/share/man/man1/*.gz also shows that the dots in the URL shouldn't be escaped. | 03:20 |
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| mr_pouit | Hobbsee, thanks for syncing | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | mr_pouit: no problem | 03:23 |
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| Adri2000 | StevenK: found it: .IR http://an.url/ . | 03:30 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 04:07 |
| lionel | hi bddebian | 04:08 |
| bddebian | Hello lionel | 04:09 |
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| MetaMorfoziS | hi all, i think, the libkonq4-dev package is broken | 05:20 |
| MetaMorfoziS | in kubuntu edgy with 3.5.6 kde | 05:21 |
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| MetaMorfoziS | Az albbi csomagoknak teljestetlen fggsgei vannak: libkonq4-dev: Fgg ettl: libkonq4 (= 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1~edgy1) de csak 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1 telepthetE: Trtt csomagok | 05:21 |
| MetaMorfoziS | It means something like this: The following package have undone dependancies, it depends on this: libkonq4 (=4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1~edgy1) but only 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1 installable | 05:23 |
| MetaMorfoziS | i'm don't know what is the problem, but the only difference in "~edgy1" suffix | 05:23 |
| Adri2000 | sounds like -backports | 05:23 |
| MetaMorfoziS | what is backports? | 05:24 |
| MetaMorfoziS | and, how can i solve this? | 05:24 |
| Adri2000 | can you try 'grep backports /etc/apt/sources.list' please? | 05:24 |
| MetaMorfoziS | deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse | 05:25 |
| MetaMorfoziS | deb-src http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse | 05:25 |
| MetaMorfoziS | what is the backport? | 05:25 |
| Adri2000 | repository with newer packages backported from the development version | 05:26 |
| mr_pouit | Adri2000, iirc, backport do not handle libraries | 05:26 |
| MetaMorfoziS | so i need to comment that out? | 05:26 |
| Adri2000 | mr_pouit: yes, it's unlikely to come from -backports, since the source package is kdebase | 05:27 |
| mr_pouit | Adri2000, maybe kubuntu.org repository ? | 05:27 |
| Adri2000 | yep, that's what I was thinking of | 05:28 |
| Adri2000 | for kde 3.5.6 | 05:28 |
| MetaMorfoziS | i'm don't really understand what yours saying, so is this problem solvable? | 05:28 |
| MetaMorfoziS | and how:) | 05:28 |
| Adri2000 | MetaMorfoziS: 'grep kde /etc/apt/sources.list' please :) | 05:29 |
| MetaMorfoziS | deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest edgy main | 05:29 |
| MetaMorfoziS | that is manually rewrited to kde-latest | 05:30 |
| MetaMorfoziS | on kubuntu org kde-3.5.6 written.. | 05:30 |
| MetaMorfoziS | but i don't want to rewrite that every version of kde | 05:30 |
| Adri2000 | MetaMorfoziS: first, did you try sudo apt-get update? | 05:31 |
| MetaMorfoziS | a 10minute ago... | 05:31 |
| Adri2000 | ok, you should go asking in #kubuntu, which is a support channel and where people might be able to help you | 05:32 |
| MetaMorfoziS | but i tryed again, nothing changed | 05:32 |
| MetaMorfoziS | yep i know, but i thought in this room are more people who can help me... | 05:32 |
| MetaMorfoziS | not this room is packager's room? | 05:32 |
| Adri2000 | we (MOTUs) take care of universe and multiverse, kdebase is a main package and is kde specific | 05:33 |
| MetaMorfoziS | hm, okay, but thank yours | 05:33 |
| Adri2000 | no problem | 05:34 |
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| MetaMorfoziS | in kubvuntu nobody answers:/ as never | 05:38 |
| MetaMorfoziS | in kubuntu no helpers, i think i asked about 10questions in the last month, but i never getted answers:/ | 05:38 |
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| imbrandon | MetaMorfoziS, Riddell will update the symlink to kde-latest when he gets a chance | 05:53 |
| imbrandon | its probably still pointing to 3.5.5 | 05:53 |
| MetaMorfoziS | okay | 05:54 |
| Lathiat | easy-codec-installation is sexy | 06:00 |
| Lathiat | just worked (tm) | 06:00 |
| caravena | Lathiat: : -D | 06:04 |
| ajmitch | yay, zope3 still doesn't work | 06:05 |
| caravena | Lathiat: ubuntu-calendar is "SEXY" | 06:05 |
| imbrandon | lol | 06:05 |
| Lathiat | hee | 06:05 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, rockin, sounds like some work | 06:05 |
| Lathiat | still i have a list of 8 immediately obvious bugs from herd4, doh! | 06:05 |
| caravena | package ubuntu-calendar is COOL! : -D | 06:06 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: bah | 06:07 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: the bug of course isn't even in zope3 | 06:10 |
| imbrandon | of course | 06:10 |
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| doko | ajmitch: I'm not sure which bug you are talking about ... | 06:15 |
| nixternal | imbrandon: what's up homey :) | 06:15 |
| ajmitch | doko: bug 83053 | 06:16 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 83053 in twisted-web2 "AttributeError: components.Interface" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83053 | 06:16 |
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| ajmitch | doko: btw I talked to salgado about the teams issue, he'll hopefully look at it this week | 06:17 |
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| doko | ajmitch: thanks | 06:25 |
| imbrandon | nixternal, heya | 06:27 |
| imbrandon | nixternal, nadda just finishing up my shift then off to the phone store to buy a new phone ( dropped mine in the snow and it died ) | 06:28 |
| imbrandon | probably grab one with bluetooth to try it out in linux | 06:28 |
| nixternal | hehe | 06:39 |
| somerville32 | imbrandon, Did you figure anything out for me yet? | 06:48 |
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| nixternal | Laser_away: when you get around, need to figure out what needs to be done for the Edubuntu docs package | 06:56 |
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| fuoco | i have a question: i have a package that uses an included python script to do the building and installation. the install path seems to be hard coded in it - what should i do then - change it to hard code the right path ? | 08:16 |
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| superm1 | hey keescook you around? | 09:21 |
| shawarma | bddebian: Do you happen to have the build log from building network-manager-openvpn? The build works just fine here.. | 09:35 |
| bddebian | shawarma: You have the maintainer set to Ubuntu MOTU Developers? | 09:35 |
| shawarma | bddebian: No. | 09:35 |
| shawarma | bddebian: I thought I'd fix the FTBFS first. | 09:36 |
| shawarma | bddebian: And you say maintainer should be set to "Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>" ? | 09:38 |
| bddebian | Yep. That is the only FTBFS for me :) | 09:38 |
| shawarma | bddebian: Huh? You wrote "pbuilder: Failed autobuilding of package " | 09:39 |
| shawarma | bddebian: Oh... You have a version of pbuilder that fails if maintainer is not @ubuntu.com ? | 09:39 |
| bddebian | That's the pbuilder error due to the maintainer error | 09:39 |
| bddebian | Yes | 09:39 |
| shawarma | Interesting. | 09:40 |
| bddebian | It just started happening to me yesterday :-( | 09:40 |
| shawarma | I'm not as such againt moving targets, but sheeesh! You look away for a couple of days and all your packages start to ftbfs. :-) | 09:41 |
| bddebian | Tell me about it :) | 09:41 |
| ajmitch | yay, massive breakage | 09:41 |
| shawarma | So... When we're merging.... WE should change the maintainer or what? | 09:41 |
| bddebian | It's starting to look that way | 09:42 |
| ajmitch | more work for you | 09:42 |
| shawarma | ajmitch: Yay! | 09:42 |
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| somerville32 | bddebian, :D | 09:52 |
| somerville32 | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4392 | 09:52 |
| somerville32 | Please :) | 09:52 |
| Adri2000 | somerville32: we are in UVF | 09:53 |
| somerville32 | Noes! | 09:53 |
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| === somerville32 shall file a FFE. | ||
| coNP | UVF means that new package software go to feisty-updates | -backports | #deisty+1 ? | 10:04 |
| keescook | superm1: in and out | 10:04 |
| superm1 | keescook, i was just wondering what came of that uvfe? | 10:05 |
| poningru | somerville32: catfish? | 10:05 |
| keescook | superm1: well, two motu-uvf folks said it was okay, but didn't change the bug to "confirmed", which is what the Wiki says they're supposed to do... so I commented on both, wondering if it was okay to upload. | 10:06 |
| somerville32 | poningru, yes. | 10:06 |
| superm1 | well in the meanwhile, did you grab the bzr sources so its ready tehn at least | 10:06 |
| superm1 | *the bzr branch and upstream tarball | 10:06 |
| keescook | superm1: I checked out your bzr stuff, but didn't do a build yet. :) | 10:07 |
| keescook | it'll be quick, though. | 10:07 |
| superm1 | mkay, well i have a fresh build if you wanted at my personal repo (http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1) | 10:07 |
| superm1 | if you dont feel like going through the build locally | 10:08 |
| superm1 | i tested it the other day in a feisty VM, looks good to me :) | 10:08 |
| keescook | superm1: excellent. :) | 10:08 |
| keescook | Yeah, I'm assuming it's all been okay'd, but I want to follow process as much as possible. :) | 10:09 |
| superm1 | yea i certainly wouldnt want to be on the bad side for all the motu brethern.... | 10:09 |
| superm1 | dont blame you | 10:09 |
| superm1 | siretart, could you comment on the bug, is it ready to be marked confirmed? or does slomo still need to ack it too? | 10:13 |
| somerville32 | poningru, Seems like there are some issues with it | 10:13 |
| siretart | superm1: which bug is that? | 10:14 |
| somerville32 | (just telling you in case you were looking at it) | 10:14 |
| superm1 | bug 85172 | 10:14 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 85172 in mythtv "UVFe: for newer upstream version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85172 | 10:14 |
| superm1 | and its compliment bug 85205 | 10:15 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 85205 in mythplugins "UVFe: for newer upstream version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85205 | 10:15 |
| Adri2000 | hi siretart, if the wormux UVFe is ok, can you confirm it and unassign motu-uvf please? | 10:15 |
| siretart | Adri2000: bug no? | 10:16 |
| Adri2000 | bug #84595 | 10:17 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 84595 in wormux "[UVF exception request] wormux 0.7.9-2" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84595 | 10:17 |
| shawarma | bddebian: I've uploaded the network-manager packages again with the updated maintainer field as the only change. | 10:19 |
| shawarma | bddebian: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4393 and 4394 | 10:19 |
| siretart | gnaa, bah, I'm tired. I just mixed SRU from UVF :/ | 10:21 |
| Adri2000 | siretart: ahh, actually it's already confirmed, so I can subscribe ubuntu-archive for the sync? | 10:21 |
| siretart | Adri2000: I'd say yes! | 10:22 |
| Adri2000 | ok :) | 10:22 |
| keescook | siretart: if you're happy with 85205 and 85172, I can do the uploads. | 10:23 |
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| TheMuso | Hey MOTUs. | 10:24 |
| crimsun | somerville32: why did you title 85881 a feature freeze exception request? | 10:25 |
| crimsun | we're still five days out from FF | 10:25 |
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| _ion | I really, really, really hope http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4133 gets in before the freeze. | 10:27 |
| siretart | hm, since superm1 is bug contact, and actively looks after mythtv, I'm okay with both mythtv uploads | 10:27 |
| superm1 | siretart, wonderful thanks :) | 10:28 |
| poningru | ooh | 10:30 |
| poningru | superm1: I had couple of suggestions | 10:30 |
| poningru | superm1: how about a mythtv standalone package | 10:30 |
| superm1 | poningru, what do you mean standalone package? | 10:31 |
| crimsun | does it take the unanimous approval of the LP MOTU UVF team or just one member's? | 10:31 |
| poningru | superm1: that includes the backend+frontend+mysqlconfiguration | 10:31 |
| superm1 | poningru, i'm working towards that | 10:31 |
| superm1 | slowly | 10:31 |
| superm1 | there are a few metapackages that are being introduced here | 10:31 |
| poningru | superm1: woah dude I can help... learning to package in ubuntu right now | 10:31 |
| superm1 | poningru, come to #ubuntu-mythtv | 10:31 |
| superm1 | we can chat there so we dont clutter up motu | 10:32 |
| shawarma | Who is daemon@poleboy.de? sistpoty? | 10:38 |
| crimsun | yes. | 10:38 |
| shawarma | Ok. | 10:39 |
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| shawarma | crimsun: so.... are you up for reviewing a couple of packages? FF is getting dangerously close. | 10:40 |
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| crimsun | tonight, if after I finish alsa triaging and packaging ardour2, sure. | 10:41 |
| shawarma | Wicked. | 10:41 |
| shawarma | crimsun: It's network-manager-{vpnc,openvpn} if you want to put them on a list of some sort. | 10:44 |
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| shawarma | Who can change stuff in the REVU code? | 10:47 |
| shawarma | don't be shy. It's a really tiny change.. | 10:48 |
| fdoving | siretart maybe? | 10:49 |
| shawarma | perhaps | 10:49 |
| shawarma | siretart: ^^ ? | 10:49 |
| poningru | shawarma: omg thank you | 10:53 |
| poningru | rexbron: vpnc and openvpn | 10:53 |
| poningru | err re | 10:53 |
| poningru | sorry rexbron | 10:53 |
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| crimsun | (it'd be nice if our NM had the requisite LEAP patches, but whatever) | 10:53 |
| shawarma | poningru: Ah, you need them too? As I wrote on the mailing list. There's a *LOT* of demand for them. :-) | 10:54 |
| poningru | crimsun: LEAP? | 10:54 |
| poningru | http://www.gatorlug.org/node/122 | 10:54 |
| crimsun | proprietary cisco junk used by a lot of businesses and universities | 10:54 |
| poningru | right | 10:54 |
| poningru | including ufl.edu | 10:54 |
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| poningru | if only they used openvpn | 10:55 |
| shawarma | crimsun: I was under the impression the vpnc plugin did the trick for most people? | 10:55 |
| crimsun | I have not tried it | 10:55 |
| shawarma | crimsun: What about vpnc alone? | 10:56 |
| crimsun | up until last week, I've used interfaces(5) and wpa_supplicant.conf alone | 10:56 |
| poningru | it does but it does not use mga iirc | 10:56 |
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| shawarma | crimsun: Ah, we're not talking vpn? | 10:56 |
| crimsun | no. | 10:56 |
| poningru | oh... | 10:56 |
| shawarma | crimsun: I just assumed so given the context. :-) | 10:57 |
| shawarma | crimsun: I'm on the nm mailing list. I think there has been some discussion about LEAP recently. | 10:57 |
| shawarma | crimsun: Either that, or I'm on crack again. | 10:58 |
| poningru | crimsun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_Extensible_Authentication_Protocol ? | 10:59 |
| crimsun | I'd assume there was at least a bit of discussion, as trunk has the patches, and people have blogged about using it | 10:59 |
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| crimsun | poningru: yes | 10:59 |
| shawarma | crimsun: Ok. | 10:59 |
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| poningru | ah thankfully our uni doesnt use it | 11:00 |
| shawarma | Neither does ours. They just only allow access to a Cisco concentrator from the wifi so vpnc suffices which is semi-OK. | 11:01 |
| shawarma | If you're studying at the right faculty they even give out the group password for vpn on the intranet. :-) | 11:02 |
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| sjh24 | I was wondering where I go to ask that two packages are updated? | 11:44 |
| coNP | sjh24: you want newer versions of packages ? | 11:46 |
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| sjh24 | coNP: yes | 11:46 |
| sjh24 | listen and music-applet | 11:46 |
| coNP | gnome? | 11:47 |
| sjh24 | yup | 11:47 |
| coNP | hey, we need some gnome expert :) | 11:47 |
| zul | enter a bug in launchpad | 11:47 |
| sjh24 | listen just released 0.5 and music-applet just went 2.0.0 | 11:47 |
| coNP | I guess it will be synced anyway | 11:48 |
| sjh24 | they aren't in debian yet | 11:48 |
| coNP | if gnome 2.18 ships them | 11:48 |
| sjh24 | they aren't gnome proper | 11:49 |
| coNP | then file bugs | 11:49 |
| TheMuso | It is upstream version freeze, so there would have to be good reasons to update them. | 11:49 |
| sjh24 | I think music-applet has good reasons... maybe less so for listen | 11:50 |
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