[12:25] <geser> ajmitch: looking at your list of missing bugfixes from Debian: do you know from where your script got the fixed debian version for cacti?
[12:27] <ajmitch> yes
[12:27] <ajmitch> dbconfig-common
[12:27] <geser> it looks like it misparsed the fixed in versions line from the bug. it contains two packages
[12:27] <ajmitch> I know
[12:53] <geser> ajmitch: can your script also scan the tags in Debian bugs?
[12:58] <ajmitch> I guess so
[12:59] <geser> can you search for Tags: security like in Debian bug #409296?
[12:59] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 409296 in mpg123 "CVE-2007-0578: http_open function in httpget.c can get into infinite loop" [Important,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/409296
[12:59] <ajmitch> yeah, they're in the same summary file
[12:59] <ajmitch> sure, I'll try & get it to play along
[01:00] <geser> it would be good if security bugs be also included in the list
[01:00] <geser> thanks
[02:05] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:06] <LaserJock> hi bddebian 
[02:07] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[02:12] <LaserJock> la la la MIR MIR MIR
[02:15] <bddebian> LaserJock: :-)
[02:15] <bddebian> la la la gpib build sucks.. :-)
[02:16] <LaserJock> sorry dude
[02:16] <LaserJock> I use the proprietary (must use 2.4 kernel) crap for a reason
[02:30] <imbrandon> hum
[02:31] <matt_good> hrm, I uploaded a package to REVU and it shows as uploaded by "matt@devi" which is my local Linux login & host instead of my email
[02:31] <matt_good> so I can't comment on it since it doesn't think I'm the uploader
[02:31] <matt_good> I tried setting DEBEMAIL and reuploading it, but that doesn't seem to have an effect
[02:31] <imbrandon> fix the debian/changelog ( should have been signed anyhow ) and reupload
[02:31] <bddebian> What did you use in debian/changelog?
[02:32] <imbrandon> heya bddebian 
[02:32] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[02:33] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon 
[02:34] <matt_good> bddebian/imbrandon: doh, yeah that seems to be the problem
[02:34] <imbrandon> heya LaserJock 
[02:34] <matt_good> I forgot to set DEBEMAIL in my .bashrc on my pbuilder machine
[02:35] <matt_good> imbrandon: yeah, it should have the right signature though, I guess REVU just check the changelog though
[02:37] <LaserJock> Hobbsee!
[02:37] <LongPointyStick> LaserJock!!
[02:37] <LaserJock> yikes!
[02:37] <Hobbsee> haha
[02:37] <LaserJock> I say hi to Hobbsee and LongPointyStick comes after me
[02:38] <matt_good> is REVU using an old lintian?
[02:38] <LaserJock> must be jelousy ;-)
[02:38] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: haha
[02:38] <imbrandon> lol
[02:38] <imbrandon> matt_good, possibly
[02:38] <matt_good> it shows a "newer-standards-version 3.7.2" error, but I know that's supported on Edgy
[02:38] <imbrandon> yes ignore that on tiber
[02:39] <crimsun> crimsun@tiber:~$ lsb_release -r
[02:39] <crimsun> Release:        6.06
[02:39] <imbrandon> heya crimsun 
[02:39] <matt_good> imbrandon: how about "source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 0.2.0-2"?
[02:40] <matt_good> what should I use for the revisions on new packages?
[02:40] <imbrandon> we dont worry about nmu error but that is the wrong versioning for ubuntu
[02:40] <imbrandon> depends , it goes like this ......
-upstreamXubuntuY where X is debian rev and Y is ubuntu rev
[02:41] <imbrandon> like upstream 3.4 would be 3.4-1 in debian and 3.4-1ubuntu1 in ubuntu , and if it wasent in debian it would be 3.4-0ubuntu1
[02:41] <imbrandon> etc
[02:42] <imbrandon> thats the short of it, there are exceptions etc
[02:42] <imbrandon> thus ignore the nmu warning BUT the versioning is wrong
[02:44] <imbrandon> ...
[02:47] <matt_good> imbrandon: so should I stick to -0ubuntu1 even if I make changes before it's accepted, or should I add new changelog entries for those?
[02:48] <Hobbsee> matt_good: keep at -0ubuntu1
[02:48] <imbrandon> no, always version it what you intend to be uploaded
[02:48] <imbrandon> but -0ubuntu1 implys its not in debian, where did the package start from ?
[02:48] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee 
[02:49] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon :)
[02:50] <matt_good> imbrandon: it's my application which I've packaged
[02:50] <imbrandon> ok, just checking ;)
[02:51] <matt_good> and I think Debian's missing the packages for pygobject, so I can't package it there yet
[02:52] <matt_good> ok, one more lintian error: build-depends-without-arch-dep
[02:52] <matt_good> it mentions changing Build-Depends to Build-Depends-Indep, but there's an exception for debhelper
[02:53] <matt_good> I'm using debhelper, but should I move other dependencies into -Indep?
[02:59] <imbrandon> now python packaging isnt my stong point, you'll have to poke someone else for that
[02:59] <imbrandon> strong*
[03:14] <matt_good> imbrandon: well, REVU thinks that the 0.2.0-2 version I uploaded is the latest, but that needs replaced with 0.2.0-0ubuntu1, is there any way to fix this?
[03:15] <matt_good> also despite fixing my email in the changelog it still thinks "matt@devi" is the uploader
[03:16] <matt_good> oh, it's still just showing the files from the earlier bad upload
[03:22] <matt_good> oh, n/m
[03:23] <matt_good> I just realized I was just viewing that particular upload and that the others are separate pages
[03:28] <bddebian> Gawd I hate CDBS
[03:30] <imbrandon> lol bddebian 
[03:31] <bddebian> I can't figure out where the fsck this build-tree dir is supposed to be coming from.. :-(
[03:32] <ajmitch> ah, cdbs magic
[03:32] <ajmitch> it's great
[03:32] <imbrandon> hum
[03:33] <ajmitch> using tarball.mk?
[03:34] <imbrandon> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:34] <imbrandon> gah wrong damn keyboard, not jsut window
[03:36] <bddebian> ajmitch: Yes :-(
[03:38] <bddebian> ajmitch: But after all the clean crap, the first couple errors I get are:
[03:38] <bddebian> dh_clean
[03:38] <bddebian> cd build-tree/linux-gpib-3.2.08 && python2.4 language/python/setup.py clean -a
[03:38] <bddebian> cd: 1: can't cd to build-tree/linux-gpib-3.2.08
[03:38] <bddebian> make: [python-clean-2.4]  Error 2 (ignored)
[03:38] <matt_good> imbrandon: if you have two monitors try synergy -- synergy2.sf.net
[03:39] <imbrandon> i have many monitors ;)
[03:39] <matt_good> synergy's a software KM switch
[03:39] <matt_good> basically you move the mouse off the edge of the screen and it controls the mouse & keyboard on the other computer
[03:40] <matt_good> over then network
[03:40] <matt_good> but of course each box needs a monitor
[03:40] <imbrandon> ahh, wouldent be pratical for me, but sounds cool
[03:41] <imbrandon> wb LaserJock 
[03:41] <LaserJock> hi all
[03:43] <LaserJock> bddebian: I feel your pain, I'm trying to figure out how to work with the CDBS in ubuntu-docs
[03:43] <bddebian> heh
[03:43] <bddebian> This is frickin' craziness.  I get a different problem building locally
[03:45] <crimsun> mm, libflashsupport has all sorts of cruft
[03:58] <RAOF> Does anyone want to review: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4300 (gnome-compiz-manager
[03:58] <RAOF> )?
[03:58] <RAOF> It's not my package, I'd just like to make sure it gets in :)
[03:59] <Q-FUNK> do we get to have any beryl package for feisty?
[03:59] <RAOF> I've looked at it, and it seems OK (except for needing a depencency on 4.1.0)
[03:59] <RAOF> I've looked at it, and it seems OK (except for needing a depencency on debhelper 4.1.0)
[04:03] <LaserJock> Q-FUNK: not that I know of yet
[04:03] <esaym> anybody know where a changelog would be for the ubuntu kernels?
[04:04] <Q-FUNK> LaserJock: we seem to have the beryl config tool, but not beryl-core, for some strange reason
[04:05] <imbrandon> esaym, http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-source-2.6.20_2.6.20-8.14/changelog
[04:05] <imbrandon> and the like
[04:05] <imbrandon> ( e.g. debian/changlog )
[04:06] <esaym> ok thanks you!
[04:06] <esaym> I would like to meet this ben collins guys ;)
[04:06] <esaym> guy*
[04:06] <imbrandon> yea BenC is a nice guy
[04:07] <imbrandon> but i'm still gonna beat him in bowling next conf
[04:07] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:07] <LaserJock> Q-FUNK: I think beryl-core was rejected
[04:07] <RAOF> imbrandon: is that Wii bowling?  'Cause I rock at that :)
[04:07] <imbrandon> real bowling ;)
[04:08] <RAOF> :P
[04:08] <bddebian> OK obviously this is over my head :'-(
[04:09] <crimsun> you need combined powers of the motu trinity.
[04:09] <bddebian> crimsun: No one ever wants to help me :'-(
[04:09] <crimsun> ping me tomorrow mid-afternoon EST
[04:10] <bddebian> OK, if I can.  Thx
[04:10] <LaserJock> hmm, maybe some sort of Power Rangers combination of powers is what we need
[04:10] <bddebian> heh
[04:11] <bddebian> Man, between .NET at work, glibc for Hurd, and Ubuntu stuff I feel like a complete failure these days :-(
[04:11] <LaserJock> actually, Transformers might be more appropriate for MOTU ;-)
[04:11] <imbrandon> haha i cant wait for the new transformers movie
[04:16] <bddebian> imbrandon: Aye, the trailer looks cool
[04:17] <imbrandon> hum is the evolution exchange connector packaged?
[04:18] <imbrandon> guess so
[04:18] <poningru> you'll always be a success in our eyes :)
[04:19] <bddebian> Hah, right, but thanks :-)
[04:22] <ajmitch> bddebian: you still do more than me :P
[04:26] <ajmitch> bddebian: how long are you sticking around for?
[04:27] <bddebian> I'm probably up for at least a couple of hours
[04:27] <ajmitch> right
[04:28] <ajmitch> so I may be able to look at it
[04:28] <bddebian> ok, thx
[04:35] <RAOF> Oooh.  bddebian, can you summon me when ajmitch gets back and explains tarball.mk?  I've always wanted to know what the hell that does :)
[04:37] <bddebian> RAOF: You can have a tarball embedded inside a source tarball.  So foo-1.0.orig.tar.gz unzips to /debian + foo.tar.gz or so
[04:37] <bddebian> tarball.mk unzips foo.tar.gz before building
[04:38] <bddebian> I'm probably oversimplifying it a little but that's the gist of it
[04:38] <RAOF> Why would you want to do that, though?  So much that it's the default in dh_make?
[04:39] <bddebian> RAOF: I wouldn't.  I frickin' hate packages that have tarballs in the source package :-)
[04:39] <RAOF> I thought it was against policy to have tarballs in the source package, too :)
[04:42] <bddebian> Well pull the gpib source for an example if you don't believe me :)
[04:42] <RAOF> :(
[04:43] <bddebian> Why :(?
[04:45] <bddebian> Gah, is this new?
[04:45] <bddebian> dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address
[04:45] <bddebian> pbuilder: Failed autobuilding of package
[04:50] <imbrandon> what? thats strange, ubuntu revisions dosent mean a ubuntu-dev did it
[04:57] <LaserJock> bddebian: that's the new Maintainer spec
[04:57] <LaserJock> you need to adjust the Maintainer field
[04:58] <LaserJock> bddebian: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField
[05:03] <bddebian> LaserJock: Ah, I didn't know it was decided, thx
[05:32] <LaserJock> hmm
[05:39] <bddebian> Gah, what package is /lib/modules/linux-foo/ from?
[05:41] <RAOF> bddebian: Can't you just "dpkg -S /lib/modules/linux-foo" ?
[05:42] <nixternal> boo
[05:43] <bddebian> RAOF: Hmm, I didn't think it would work but it did, thx
[05:48] <RAOF> bddebian: You could return the favour by fixing python-pyinotify on AMD64 :P
[05:51] <bddebian> RAOF: Send me an amd64 and I'll be happy to try :)
[05:53] <RAOF> Failing that, could you point me to the debian-maintainer spec LaserJock gave you, so I could builld the sources and see what's breaking?
[05:53] <bddebian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField
[05:55] <RAOF> Thanks muchly
[06:02] <RAOF> Anyone know how to fix linking problems in python, I'm trying to fix bug #85705
[06:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85705 in pyinotify "Undefined symbol error when importing pyinotify" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85705
[06:04] <tonyyarusso> Anyone know how many megs the minimal install that pbuilder needs actually is?
[06:05] <RAOF> -rw-r--r--  1 root root  82M 2007-02-09 11:28 feisty-base.tgz
[06:05] <RAOF> That's a minimal feisty pbuilder chroot.
[06:05] <LaserJock> that's tar'd up though
[06:06] <RAOF> True, but that's how much it takes up on disc.
[06:06] <RAOF> When it's not being used.
[06:06] <tonyyarusso> So,, probably 100ish.  hmm
[06:06] <RAOF> Hey, Amaranth.  You're a python god, right?
[06:06] <ajmitch> bddebian: still alive?
[06:06] <tonyyarusso> Well, I could probably get that by about Sunday afternoon if I let it run, but it's a weekend so the family needs on too.  Dang.
[06:07] <Amaranth> RAOF: sure, why not
[06:07] <bddebian> ajmitch: More or less.
[06:07] <RAOF> You don't need a pbuilder to package properly.  Although it is helpful
[06:07] <ajmitch> bddebian: still having issues?
[06:07] <RAOF> Amaranth: How would you debug a linking error in a python module?
[06:07] <bddebian> ajmitch: I sort of figured out my problem but I'm debating whether to try to get it to build the modules or add the patches back in to not build them :-(
[06:07] <RAOF> Amaranth: Or rather, how would you fix it so it's correctly linked.
[06:08] <Amaranth> RAOF: you're building a C extension and getting linker errors?
[06:08] <ajmitch> bddebian: ah alright
[06:08] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: First crack at it, figured it might be a good idea.
[06:08] <Amaranth> RAOF: what are the errors
[06:08] <RAOF> Amaranth: I'm talking about bug #85705
[06:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85705 in pyinotify "Undefined symbol error when importing pyinotify" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85705
[06:08] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: pbuilders _always_ has to get more stuff
[06:08] <ajmitch> RAOF: only on amd64?
[06:08] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: afaik that 82M is just "essential" packages
[06:08] <RAOF> ajmitch: Only tested on AMD64.
[06:08] <ajmitch> RAOF: right
[06:08] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: right
[06:08] <RAOF> ajmitch: I suppose I could try and fire up my i386 pbuilder.
[06:08] <Amaranth> RAOF: rebuild the package please
[06:08] <RAOF> ajmitch: I'll go check :)
[06:09] <bddebian> But damn, neither linux-headers-foo, linux-restricted-modules-common, nor linux-source-foo puts stuff in /lib/modules :-(
[06:09] <RAOF> Amaranth: Have done.  Same result.
[06:10] <RAOF> Amaranth: I've also just installed it with "sudo python setup.py install --prefix=/usr", and the same thing's happening.
[06:10] <RAOF> So it doesn't seem to be a problem with the packaging per-se
[06:11] <Amaranth> /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/pyinotify/inotify.py:49: RuntimeWarning: Python C API version mismatch for module _inotify: This Python has API version 1013, module _inotify has version 1012.
[06:11] <ajmitch> RAOF: probably some change in python2.5
[06:11] <Amaranth> this is what i get
[06:11] <ajmitch> how special
[06:11] <Amaranth> i'll try to fix it
[06:12] <ajmitch> so it needs updated, should be trivial
[06:12] <RAOF> Except I've just built it on my AMD64 box.  And it gives *me* a different error.
[06:12] <ajmitch> RAOF: not necessarily rebuilding
[06:13] <Amaranth> Py_InitModule4 probably doesn't exist anymore
[06:13] <Amaranth> python doesn't guarantee extension api/abi
[06:13] <ajmitch> Amaranth: so it fails for you on x86?
[06:13] <RAOF> Sorry, I seem to have read "updated" as "rebuilt" :)
[06:13] <ajmitch> there are certainly some amd64-only bugs out there, eg bug 83551
[06:13] <Amaranth> ajmitch: yeah
[06:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83551 in rhythmbox "python plugins don't work in amd64" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83551
[06:14] <Amaranth> damn i need to update my pbuilder more often
[06:14] <ajmitch> hehe
[06:14] <Amaranth> it's 80MB and i have to get 40MB of packages :P
[06:15] <ajmitch> import pyinotify worked fine on x86 laptop, which is out of date
[06:15] <ajmitch> but it's still py 2.5
[06:15] <Amaranth> interesting
[06:17] <Amaranth> dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address
[06:17] <Amaranth> i am going to stab someone
[06:17] <RAOF> Hm.  inotify.c uses Py_InitModule3, but that never hits the object code.
[06:18] <Amaranth> why does the maintainer have to have an ubuntu address?
[06:18] <RAOF> Amaranth: Debian-maintainer spec.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField
[06:18] <Amaranth> yeah but what if i want to use my gmail address? :)
[06:18] <RAOF> :)
[06:19] <Amaranth> wtf
[06:19] <ajmitch> Amaranth: to inconvenience us
[06:19] <Amaranth> i still get the API warning after building :P
[06:20] <Amaranth> the version warning, i mean
[06:20] <RAOF> Oh.
[06:20] <RAOF> I *think* it might be building 2.4 modules only.
[06:21] <Amaranth> does inotify work if you use python2.4?
[06:22] <RAOF> Yup.
[06:22] <RAOF> :(
[06:22] <RAOF> Or, at least, it imports.
[06:22] <Amaranth> it almost looks like it's building the python 2.4 version and calling it the python 2.5 version...
[06:24] <Amaranth>         for python in $(PYVERS); do \
[06:24] <Amaranth>                 $$python setup.py install --root=$(CURDIR)/debian/python-pyinotify; \
[06:24] <Amaranth> hrm
[06:24] <Amaranth> i think it installs the 2.4 version on top of the 2.5 version
[06:28] <RAOF> Oh, it also doesn't clean between building different versions.
[06:29] <RAOF> for python in $(PYVERS) ; do "$${python}" setup.py build'
[06:30] <RAOF> Do you want to fix that Amaranth, or shall I give it a try?
[06:33] <Amaranth> go ahead
[06:34] <Amaranth> i was trying to convert it to cdbs :P
[06:34] <RAOF> Hm.  That *would* be easy :)
[06:51] <RAOF> Amaranth: Done.  Shall I add a debdiff to the bug?
[07:01] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: ??
[07:01] <TheMuso> WHy?
[07:03] <Fujitsu> It's inconveniencing (it's no longer possible to create packages unless you're an Ubuntu Member, some maintainers (such as myself) don't use @ubuntu.com, so have to have the field mangled)... There's no option to have it unmangled.
[07:04] <Fujitsu> With the binary-mangling, there was at least a method to opt-out.
[07:05] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: it won't be hard to find annoyed people
[07:05] <ajmitch> but I doubt it'll do much good
[07:05] <ajmitch> did you see that doko has uploaded a fixed zope3?
[07:05] <LaserJock> it's not really that bad though
[07:05] <TheMuso> I guess it won't bother me, as I use themuso@ubuntu.com
[07:06] <LaserJock> they idea is that we are supposed to use ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com
[07:06] <LaserJock> so it shouldn't matter
[07:06] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, nice. How'd he fix it?
[07:07] <ajmitch> from the changelog, looks like he just had some patches
[07:07] <ajmitch> & it's 3.3.1
[07:07] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[07:07] <Fujitsu> I'm not up-to-date with feisty-changes since Herd 4.
[07:08] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Oh you mean for the maintainer field.
[07:08] <TheMuso> I thought you meant for the changelog entries.
[07:08] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, ah.
[07:08] <TheMuso> but I guess it still causes the same problems.
[07:08] <RAOF> Right.  #85705 now has a fix attached.
[07:09] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: It seems to just be 3.3.1. That patch was already existing (it's the one that fixes that issue in Edgy).
[07:09] <ajmitch> ok
[07:09] <ajmitch> hm
[07:09] <TheMuso> bug 85795
[07:09] <ajmitch> we'll see how well 3.3.1 goes :)
[07:09] <TheMuso> bug 85705
[07:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85705 in pyinotify "Undefined symbol error when importing pyinotify" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85705
[07:09] <ajmitch> http://svn.zope.org/*checkout*/Zope3/tags/3.3.1/doc/CHANGES.txt
[07:10] <ajmitch> I hope so
[07:10] <Fujitsu> `Fixed issue 535: make HTTPInputStream work with Python 2.4.4.'... That should obsolete the patch the changelog says he updated.
[07:13] <Fujitsu> Soyuz seems to have eaten that upload.
[07:13] <Fujitsu> There's an accepted message, but that's all.
[07:14] <bddebian> Gnight gang
[07:14] <Fujitsu> Night, bddebian.
[07:16] <Fujitsu> Ah, the publisher is probably still on manual.
[07:17] <ajmitch> shouldn't be
[07:17] <Fujitsu> Well, there are 62 items in Accepted.
[07:17] <Fujitsu> They're not being published.
[07:18] <ajmitch> you may be right
[07:18] <ajmitch> how inconvenient
[07:19] <Fujitsu> And it's a weekend too.
[07:19] <Fujitsu> No Zope for me.
[07:19] <ajmitch> sigh
[07:20] <ajmitch> or not
[07:20] <ajmitch> not even the source package is published this time
[07:20] <TheMuso> hahaha
[07:20] <Fujitsu> No.
[07:20] <Fujitsu> Exactly.
[07:20] <ajmitch> I had other stuff go through earlier
[07:20] <Fujitsu> Everything since 7am AEST this morning is still there.
[07:20] <Fujitsu> s/this morning //
[07:21] <ajmitch> probably something broken, rather than the publisher being disabled intentionally
[07:21] <Fujitsu> Like someone not starting something after the last rollout, which happened last time?
[07:21] <ajmitch> is beta running?
[07:21] <Fujitsu> No.
[07:21] <Fujitsu> beta is still 503ing.
[07:22] <ajmitch> sigh
[07:22] <ajmitch> been like that for hours
[07:22] <Fujitsu> I would presume a rollout would take somewhat less than 10 hours.
[07:22] <Fujitsu> (it's been broken since I got up)
[07:22] <ajmitch> yes, same
[07:22] <ajmitch> & I repointed my bookmarks towards beta.lp
[07:23] <Fujitsu> Yep, all my keyword bookmarks do too.
[07:23] <Fujitsu> I'm sure they impressed upon their devs a couple of weeks ago that beta.lp was now a critical service, and should have similar uptime to production.
[07:23] <ajmitch> hah
[07:23] <ajmitch> funny
[07:24] <imbrandon> lol 
[07:24] <ajmitch> you are too cynical sometimes :)
[07:24] <Fujitsu> I do that.
[07:24] <TheMuso> heh
[07:25] <LaserJock> well, that wasn't nice
[07:26] <ajmitch> no, it wasn't, was it?
[07:26] <LaserJock> I was KDE and it just shut my computer off
[07:27] <imbrandon> LaserJock, huh?
[07:27] <LaserJock> I've had very bad luck with KDE and power managment
[07:28] <ajmitch> turn back to GNOME
[07:28] <LaserJock> I did
[07:28] <ajmitch> it's a sign
[07:28] <LaserJock> but I keep trying KDE
[07:28] <imbrandon> heh , thats funny because they both use the same backend
[07:28] <imbrandon> for PM
[07:28] <LaserJock> well, must be the frontend or something
[07:28] <LaserJock> but KDE was randomly hibernating last time
[07:28] <imbrandon> if its a bug in the frontend UI Riddell and Sebas are upstream , hint hint
[07:29] <imbrandon> :)
[07:29] <LaserJock> well, they'll just laugh at me I guess
[07:29] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, I had KDE hibernate on me a few times during Dapper development, when I had a GNOME session at the sa me time.
[07:29] <imbrandon> although i did install gnome on a box at home last night, just to have one pure ubuntu box
[07:29] <imbrandon> shhh
[07:30] <Fujitsu> :O
[07:30] <Fujitsu> (*jarring chord*)
[07:30] <ajmitch> Hobbsee won't mind
[07:30] <imbrandon> heh hobbsee plays with gnome now and then too, and SuSE and stuff hehe
[07:30] <ajmitch> what a confused individual
[07:30] <LaserJock> well, I just can't trust KDE unfortunately on my laptop
[07:31] <Fujitsu> SuSE? Ick.
[07:31] <imbrandon> LaserJock, i would look deeper into it serouisly, not to start a KDE / Gnome thing, but they are using the same PM backends
[07:31] <imbrandon> that is if you have the time
[07:31] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I know
[07:32] <LaserJock> I just can't have my "production" machine randomly quiting
[07:32] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if I get any data loss
[07:33] <LaserJock> but I was in the middle of a lengthy build
[07:33] <imbrandon> haha i dont have any "production" machines anymore
[07:33] <imbrandon> lol
[07:33] <imbrandon> other than the servers
[07:33] <LaserJock> well, my "production" machine runs Feisty
[07:34] <imbrandon> LaserJock, start long builds on aurora with screen :)
[07:34] <imbrandon> tis what i do
[07:34] <LaserJock> it's not a pbuilder build
[07:34] <imbrandon> ahh
[07:34] <zakame> screen screen screen, we all screen for ice screen
[07:34] <imbrandon> i was this >< close to getting jokosher running on windows this morning
[07:34] <TheMuso> zakame: lol
[07:35] <LaserJock> I'm working on upstream stuff
[07:35] <zakame> hi all btw :D
[07:35] <LaserJock> I finally got some working C++
[07:35] <imbrandon> heya zakme
[07:35] <LaserJock> I'm so proud of myself ;-)
[07:35] <TheMuso> Heya zakame.
[07:35] <imbrandon> zakame*
[07:35] <zakame> woo LaserJock :D
[07:35] <zakame> hi TheMuso, imbrandon :)
[07:36] <LaserJock> it's kinda fun
[07:36] <zakame> hehe
[07:36] <LaserJock> I think I like upstreaming better than distro'ing
[07:36] <Fujitsu> I prefer them in different ways.
[07:37] <Fujitsu> And I prefer Python to C++ in most situations.
[07:37] <LaserJock> imbrandon: well, I was starting to get the hang of some KDE stuff, and got some customization done
[07:37] <Fujitsu> Python == good.
[07:37] <zakame> quite quite
[07:37] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I'm learning both
[07:37] <LaserJock> I think it's handy
[07:37] <imbrandon> LaserJock, rockin, dont give up now ;)
[07:37] <ajmitch> it requires having users
[07:37] <LaserJock> imbrandon: it's too bad I use my laptop so much
[07:37] <imbrandon> i did the upstream thing for a long time , its tireing
[07:38] <ajmitch> imbrandon: as what?
[07:38] <imbrandon> ajmitch, what do you mean as what?
[07:38] <imbrandon> heh
[07:38] <ajmitch> imbrandon: what upstream?
[07:38] <imbrandon> what project ?
[07:38] <zakame> holy upstream, bzrman
[07:38] <imbrandon> ahh , mono mostly ( some kde cruft where i could )
[07:39] <ajmitch> interesting
[07:40] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: only very occasionally.  and then reverts.
[07:40] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, ohh i know, same here, i was just making a point :)
[07:40] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: :P
[07:40] <imbrandon> although like i said i did set aside a 1.8ghz celeron just for a pure ubuntu / gnome box last night 
[07:41] <imbrandon> so i would have one arround
[07:41] <imbrandon> to test / play with stuff
[07:42] <imbrandon> only has 512mb ram , but its still ok to use, just not compile on
[07:42] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:42] <LaserJock> well, I was reading about some of LInus' comments (please don't flame me) on KDE and so I thought I'd try it :-)
[07:43] <TheMuso> imbrandon: 512MB of ram is ok for compilation.
[07:43] <LaserJock> grrrr, I can't get svn.debian.org
[07:43] <imbrandon> TheMuso, yea but i'm spoiled ;)
[07:44] <imbrandon> leaste in that respect
[07:44] <imbrandon> LaserJock, hahaha
[07:45] <imbrandon> LaserJock, it all depends on what you want, here is how i explain it to people , kde is more like windows, gnome is more like osx ( out of the box for both ) , kde == customizeable to the tilt but dialogs etc a little more complex, gnome == silmpler interface but at the expense of customization
[07:45] <ajmitch> hobbsee left us :(
[07:45] <imbrandon> thats just my 0.2c
[07:46] <LaserJock> imbrandon: maybe that's why I like OS X more than Windows
[07:47] <imbrandon> but little things you notice like gnome / osx , in a dialog you change something it takes effect imeadately, kde / windows it dosent untill you hit apply or OK, and lots of other little things like that, i'm not talking just the placement of the pannels
[07:47] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I just can't get around my feeling that KDE is less polished, more of a "lets see what crack we can do"
[07:48] <imbrandon> LaserJock, hahah see i feel the exact other way about gnome, it just dosent feel "done" to me
[07:48] <TheMuso> To each their own.
[07:48] <imbrandon> yup yup
[07:48] <LaserJock> imbrandon: what parts?
[07:48] <TheMuso> I will be able to make a better decision once KDE is accessible.
[07:48] <imbrandon> i dont knock the other, just dont use it day to day :)
[07:49] <lotusleaf> Kubuntu > Jesus
[07:49] <imbrandon> TheMuso, there is lots of QT KDE accessability tools
[07:49] <imbrandon> LaserJock, mostly UI elements
[07:49] <Fujitsu> lotusleaf, to me, that's not saying much. :P
[07:49] <TheMuso> imbrandon: But they don't integrate the way the GNOME accessibility tools do.
[07:49] <imbrandon> LaserJock, to me GTK is only half done
[07:49] <lotusleaf> Fujitsu: Kubuntu > *
[07:50] <lotusleaf> Fujitsu: I love the driving differences between the two
[07:50] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, you have never seen QT toolset then
[07:50] <LaserJock> imbrandon: can narrow it done any? I'm curious
[07:50] <LaserJock> *can you
[07:50] <imbrandon> LaserJock, like as if the dev said "ok it works ..." and went on to the next thing, instead of finishing it out totaly
[07:50] <imbrandon> its justa feeling 
[07:51] <imbrandon> feels like a VB6 app on windows does to me
[07:51] <imbrandon> no offence , cant find a better word, but amitureish
[07:51] <imbrandon> but not exactly
[07:51] <LaserJock> imbrandon: like code wise?
[07:51] <LaserJock> or actual look?
[07:52] <Fujitsu> The new original-maintainer prefix is XSBC-, right?
[07:52] <imbrandon> no like look / feel / use , wise
[07:52] <imbrandon> code wise i could get over
[07:54] <imbrandon> looks and interface to me is 70% of my computing experince
[07:54] <imbrandon> code i can look past and cleanup later etc etc etc
[07:55] <imbrandon> but as we've said in the past, its all personaly prefrence at this point, a few years ago there was alot of diffrences, but today they are both great desktops
[07:55] <imbrandon> its just where you choose your "home"
[07:56] <imbrandon> and the driving forces behind each one
[07:57] <TheMuso> imbrandon: WHen is KDE 4 due?
[07:57] <elkbuntu> ooh, gnome vs kde rants... noice
[07:57] <imbrandon> like i personaly beleave in the kde way vs the gnome way in that KDE you shouldent "hide" a option from a user but you should make it not a cluster FSCK of a dialog box either, Gnome will make a simpler dialog box at the expence of too many options for the user
[07:58] <imbrandon> just as a general rule on them both, there are exceptions obviously
[07:58] <imbrandon> elkbuntu, no rants
[07:58] <imbrandon> just BS'ing
[07:58] <TheMuso> imbrandon: I really wish I could check out the KDE experience.
[07:58] <imbrandon> TheMuso, the first bets's have been out a few months, sometime 2Q 2007 iirc
[07:59] <imbrandon> beta's *
[07:59] <TheMuso> awww
[07:59] <TheMuso> I am on the kde accessibility list.
[07:59] <TheMuso> Which has been quiet for weeks.
[07:59] <TheMuso> Heh. Not since 2 December has there been a post.
[08:00] <LaserJock> imbrandon: hmm, I just don't know how you can see a difference between the look of gtk and qt
[08:00] <elkbuntu> personally for me, i find that whenever i try kde, i spend a crapload of time trying to make it gnome-like, so i just stick with gnome
[08:01] <LaserJock> imbrandon: if anything I've found qt less "polished" in the sense of not being so smooth and having artifacts
[08:01] <LaserJock> it seem odd that people can find so much difference
[08:04] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, you must be running a kdeapp not qt app , and also not have kded or someting running
[08:04] <imbrandon> it shouldent rebuild everytime
[08:09] <imbrandon> hum
[08:09] <imbrandon> gmail just rocks
[08:56] <imbrandon> oh wow LaserJock 
[08:56] <imbrandon> is that thing on linux.com what you were talking about from linus?
[08:57] <LaserJock> imbrandon: yes
[08:57] <imbrandon> ahh i just seen it, yea he has alot of the same bitches i do it looks like
[08:58] <imbrandon> ( plus i have a few astetic ones too )
[08:58] <imbrandon> i might have to use that gnome computer a little more and give it a try ( i'm still keeping my kde apps LOL )
[08:59] <imbrandon> amarok <3
[08:59] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:59] <imbrandon> brb smoke break
[08:59] <zakame> bitching?
[08:59] <imbrandon> zakame, seems Linus drudged up the Gnome vs. KDE debate again
[08:59] <imbrandon> http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/02/16/1937237&from=rss
[09:00] <LaserJock> for me I rarely *need* to change anything in Gnome that I can't so it's not a problem
[09:00] <zakame> buwahaha
[09:00] <imbrandon> LaserJock, yea and see i find stuff all the time i cant change without chaging code/recompile
[09:00] <imbrandon> and that irks me
[09:00] <LaserJock> yeah, I bet
[09:01] <zakame> can't we all get along with the Aero thing? :P
[09:01] <imbrandon> "usability through obscurity" IMHO sucks
[09:01] <imbrandon> zakame, hehe
[09:02] <zakame> he ought to lurk moar in 4chan
[09:02] <LaserJock> imbrandon: "usability through infinite configurability" sucks as well ;-)
[09:03] <imbrandon> LaserJock, well imho yes a dialog that you cant make heads or tails of ( the beryl config boxes come to mind ) sucks balls, BUT on the same had i dont think you should take away options just to make it easier, you should make it useable AND keep the options 
[09:03] <imbrandon> thats good design
[09:03] <Fujitsu> I think GNOME could do better along the lines of configurability, but the simple, non-confusing options are also good. A `power user' or similar mode would be nice.
[09:03] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, exactly and KDE gives me that , simple , sane defaults, but still configureable
[09:03] <zakame> why, oh why, did desktops got so complex?
[09:04] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: But wading through all of the options is going to drown a lot of people.
[09:04] <LaserJock> imbrandon: simple and sane defaults? how come the first thing I hear when I talk about KDE is "Oh, the defaults suck, you gotta configure it right before it's really good"
[09:04] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, there are ways to make things useable , very useable without the traditional 10000 checkboxes
[09:05] <LaserJock> anyway, gotta get to bed
[09:05] <imbrandon> LaserJock, i never say that about Kubuntu ( KDE yes , not kubuntu )
[09:05] <imbrandon> :)
[09:06] <imbrandon> thats the main reason i use Kubuntu or SuSE , they have great defaults for KDE OOTB
[09:06] <imbrandon> Laser_away, ^^
[09:06] <imbrandon> Laser_away, gnight
[09:06] <imbrandon> kubuntu just wins over SuSE for package-management ( ala Debian ) :)
[09:07] <Fujitsu> Not a fan of RPM, then?
[09:07] <imbrandon> hell no
[09:07] <imbrandon> errm no Fujitsu 
[09:07] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:08] <Fujitsu> I used Red Hat 7 and 8 for my first year of Linuxing... Been much better since I left RPM behind :)
[09:38] <imbrandon> hrm
[09:38] <imbrandon> X over SSH isnt that slow
[09:38] <imbrandon> not as slow as i thought it would be
[09:41] <imbrandon> hum ajmitch how do you start a just a gnome session e.g. not X/startx or gdm ( i'm trying to start a gnome session via ssh on a local X server )
[09:41] <imbrandon> KDE ther eis a startkde command like startx
[09:42] <imbrandon> but there dosent seemto be a startgnome
[09:42] <Laser_away> gnome-session
[09:42] <imbrandon> hum , duh
[09:42] <imbrandon> thanks Laser_away 
[09:44] <imbrandon> ln -s gnome-session startgnome
[09:44] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:53] <TheMuso> imbrandon: heh
[02:52] <mr_pouit> could someone resync revu keyring (I've added a new email address to my gpg key, so it need resync, right ?). Thanks :)
[02:55] <Hobbsee> mr_pouit: going....
[02:55] <Hobbsee> mr_pouit: assuming you've sent your key to the keyservers, yes
[03:03] <Hobbsee> mr_pouit: done
[03:13] <Adri2000> how can I add a dot (without underlining it) after ".I http://an.url/" in a man page?
[03:14] <StevenK> \.
[03:17] <Adri2000> StevenK: it's underlined :(
[03:18] <StevenK> My *roff skills escape me at the moment.
[03:20] <StevenK> My zgrep over /usr/share/man/man1/*.gz also shows that the dots in the URL shouldn't be escaped.
[03:23] <mr_pouit> Hobbsee, thanks for syncing
[03:23] <Hobbsee> mr_pouit: no problem
[03:30] <Adri2000> StevenK: found it: .IR http://an.url/ .
[04:07] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:08] <lionel> hi bddebian
[04:09] <bddebian> Hello lionel
[05:20] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all, i think, the libkonq4-dev package is broken
[05:21] <MetaMorfoziS> in kubuntu edgy with 3.5.6 kde
[05:21] <MetaMorfoziS> Az albbi csomagoknak teljestetlen fggsgei vannak:  libkonq4-dev: Fgg ettl: libkonq4 (= 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1~edgy1) de csak 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1 telepthetE: Trtt csomagok
[05:23] <MetaMorfoziS> It means something like this: The following package have undone dependancies, it depends on this: libkonq4 (=4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1~edgy1) but only  4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1 installable 
[05:23] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm don't know what is the problem, but the only difference in "~edgy1" suffix
[05:23] <Adri2000> sounds like -backports
[05:24] <MetaMorfoziS> what is backports?
[05:24] <MetaMorfoziS> and, how can i solve this?
[05:24] <Adri2000> can you try 'grep backports /etc/apt/sources.list' please?
[05:25] <MetaMorfoziS>  deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[05:25] <MetaMorfoziS>  deb-src http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[05:25] <MetaMorfoziS> what is the backport?
[05:26] <Adri2000> repository with newer packages backported from the development version
[05:26] <mr_pouit> Adri2000, iirc, backport do not handle libraries
[05:26] <MetaMorfoziS> so i need to comment that out?
[05:27] <Adri2000> mr_pouit: yes, it's unlikely to come from -backports, since the source package is kdebase
[05:27] <mr_pouit> Adri2000, maybe kubuntu.org repository ?
[05:28] <Adri2000> yep, that's what I was thinking of
[05:28] <Adri2000> for kde 3.5.6
[05:28] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm don't really understand what yours saying, so is this problem solvable?
[05:28] <MetaMorfoziS> and how:)
[05:29] <Adri2000> MetaMorfoziS: 'grep kde /etc/apt/sources.list' please :)
[05:29] <MetaMorfoziS> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest edgy main
[05:30] <MetaMorfoziS> that is manually rewrited to kde-latest
[05:30] <MetaMorfoziS> on kubuntu org kde-3.5.6 written..
[05:30] <MetaMorfoziS> but i don't want to rewrite that every version of kde
[05:31] <Adri2000> MetaMorfoziS: first, did you try sudo apt-get update?
[05:31] <MetaMorfoziS> a 10minute ago...
[05:32] <Adri2000> ok, you should go asking in #kubuntu, which is a support channel and where people might be able to help you
[05:32] <MetaMorfoziS> but i tryed again, nothing changed
[05:32] <MetaMorfoziS> yep i know, but i thought in this room are more people who can help me...
[05:32] <MetaMorfoziS> not this room is packager's room?
[05:33] <Adri2000> we (MOTUs) take care of universe and multiverse, kdebase is a main package and is kde specific
[05:33] <MetaMorfoziS> hm, okay, but thank yours
[05:34] <Adri2000> no problem
[05:38] <MetaMorfoziS> in kubvuntu nobody answers:/ as never
[05:38] <MetaMorfoziS> in kubuntu no helpers, i think i asked about 10questions in the last month, but i never getted answers:/
[05:53] <imbrandon> MetaMorfoziS, Riddell will update the symlink to kde-latest when he gets a chance
[05:53] <imbrandon> its probably still pointing to 3.5.5
[05:54] <MetaMorfoziS> okay
[06:00] <Lathiat> easy-codec-installation is sexy
[06:00] <Lathiat> just worked (tm)
[06:04] <caravena> Lathiat: : -D
[06:05] <ajmitch> yay, zope3 still doesn't work
[06:05] <caravena> Lathiat: ubuntu-calendar is "SEXY"
[06:05] <imbrandon> lol
[06:05] <Lathiat> hee
[06:05] <imbrandon> ajmitch, rockin, sounds like some work
[06:05] <Lathiat> still i have a list of 8 immediately obvious bugs from herd4, doh!
[06:06] <caravena> package ubuntu-calendar is COOL! : -D
[06:07] <ajmitch> imbrandon: bah
[06:10] <ajmitch> imbrandon: the bug of course isn't even in zope3
[06:10] <imbrandon> of course
[06:15] <doko> ajmitch: I'm not sure which bug you are talking about ...
[06:15] <nixternal> imbrandon: what's up homey :)
[06:16] <ajmitch> doko: bug 83053
[06:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83053 in twisted-web2 "AttributeError: components.Interface" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83053
[06:17] <ajmitch> doko: btw I talked to salgado about the teams issue, he'll hopefully look at it this week
[06:25] <doko> ajmitch: thanks
[06:27] <imbrandon> nixternal, heya
[06:28] <imbrandon> nixternal, nadda just finishing up my shift then off to the phone store to buy a new phone ( dropped mine in the snow and it died )
[06:28] <imbrandon> probably grab one with bluetooth to try it out in linux
[06:39] <nixternal> hehe
[06:48] <somerville32> imbrandon, Did you figure anything out for me yet?
[06:56] <nixternal> Laser_away: when you get around, need to figure out what needs to be done for the Edubuntu docs package
[08:16] <fuoco> i have a question: i have a package that uses an included python script to do the building and installation. the install path seems to be hard coded in it - what should i do then - change it to hard code the right path ?
[09:21] <superm1> hey keescook you around?
[09:35] <shawarma> bddebian: Do you happen to have the build log from building network-manager-openvpn? The build works just fine here..
[09:35] <bddebian> shawarma: You have the maintainer set to Ubuntu MOTU Developers?
[09:35] <shawarma> bddebian: No.
[09:36] <shawarma> bddebian: I thought I'd fix the FTBFS first.
[09:38] <shawarma> bddebian: And you say maintainer should be set to "Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>" ?
[09:38] <bddebian> Yep.  That is the only FTBFS for me :)
[09:39] <shawarma> bddebian: Huh? You wrote "pbuilder: Failed autobuilding of package "
[09:39] <shawarma> bddebian: Oh... You have a version of pbuilder that fails if maintainer is not @ubuntu.com ?
[09:39] <bddebian> That's the pbuilder error due to the maintainer error
[09:39] <bddebian> Yes
[09:40] <shawarma> Interesting.
[09:40] <bddebian> It just started happening to me yesterday :-(
[09:41] <shawarma> I'm not as such againt moving targets, but sheeesh! You look away for a couple of days and all your packages start to ftbfs. :-)
[09:41] <bddebian> Tell me about it :)
[09:41] <ajmitch> yay, massive breakage
[09:41] <shawarma> So... When we're merging.... WE should change the maintainer or what?
[09:42] <bddebian> It's starting to look that way
[09:42] <ajmitch> more work for you
[09:42] <shawarma> ajmitch: Yay!
[09:52] <somerville32> bddebian, :D
[09:52] <somerville32> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4392
[09:52] <somerville32> Please :)
[09:53] <Adri2000> somerville32: we are in UVF
[09:53] <somerville32> Noes!
[10:04] <coNP> UVF means that new package software go to feisty-updates | -backports | #deisty+1 ?
[10:04] <keescook> superm1: in and out
[10:05] <superm1> keescook, i was just wondering what came of that uvfe?
[10:05] <poningru> somerville32: catfish?
[10:06] <keescook> superm1: well, two motu-uvf folks said it was okay, but didn't change the bug to "confirmed", which is what the Wiki says they're supposed to do... so I commented on both, wondering if it was okay to upload.
[10:06] <somerville32> poningru, yes.
[10:06] <superm1> well in the meanwhile, did you grab the bzr sources so its ready tehn at least
[10:06] <superm1> *the bzr branch and upstream tarball
[10:07] <keescook> superm1: I checked out your bzr stuff, but didn't do a build yet.  :)
[10:07] <keescook> it'll be quick, though.
[10:07] <superm1> mkay, well i have a fresh build if you wanted at my personal repo (http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1)
[10:08] <superm1> if you dont feel like going through the build locally
[10:08] <superm1> i tested it the other day in a feisty VM, looks good to me :)
[10:08] <keescook> superm1: excellent.  :)
[10:09] <keescook> Yeah, I'm assuming it's all been okay'd, but I want to follow process as much as possible.  :)
[10:09] <superm1> yea i certainly wouldnt want to be on the bad side for all the motu brethern....
[10:09] <superm1> dont blame you
[10:13] <superm1> siretart, could you comment on the bug, is it ready to be marked confirmed?  or does slomo still need to ack it too?
[10:13] <somerville32> poningru, Seems like there are some issues with it
[10:14] <siretart> superm1: which bug is that?
[10:14] <somerville32> (just telling you in case you were looking at it)
[10:14] <superm1> bug 85172
[10:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85172 in mythtv "UVFe: for newer upstream version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85172
[10:15] <superm1> and its compliment  bug 85205
[10:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85205 in mythplugins "UVFe: for newer upstream version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85205
[10:15] <Adri2000> hi siretart, if the wormux UVFe is ok, can you confirm it and unassign motu-uvf please?
[10:16] <siretart> Adri2000: bug no?
[10:17] <Adri2000> bug #84595
[10:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84595 in wormux "[UVF exception request]  wormux 0.7.9-2" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84595
[10:19] <shawarma> bddebian: I've uploaded the network-manager packages again with the updated maintainer field as the only change.
[10:19] <shawarma> bddebian: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4393 and 4394
[10:21] <siretart> gnaa, bah, I'm tired. I just mixed SRU from UVF :/
[10:21] <Adri2000> siretart: ahh, actually it's already confirmed, so I can subscribe ubuntu-archive for the sync?
[10:22] <siretart> Adri2000: I'd say yes!
[10:22] <Adri2000> ok :)
[10:23] <keescook> siretart: if you're happy with 85205 and 85172, I can do the uploads.
[10:24] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[10:25] <crimsun> somerville32: why did you title 85881 a feature freeze exception request?
[10:25] <crimsun> we're still five days out from FF
[10:27] <_ion> I really, really, really hope http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4133 gets in before the freeze.
[10:27] <siretart> hm, since superm1 is bug contact, and actively looks after mythtv, I'm okay with both mythtv uploads
[10:28] <superm1> siretart, wonderful thanks :)
[10:30] <poningru> ooh
[10:30] <poningru> superm1: I had couple of suggestions
[10:30] <poningru> superm1: how about a mythtv standalone package
[10:31] <superm1> poningru, what do you mean standalone package?
[10:31] <crimsun> does it take the unanimous approval of the LP MOTU UVF team or just one member's?
[10:31] <poningru> superm1: that includes the backend+frontend+mysqlconfiguration
[10:31] <superm1> poningru, i'm working towards that
[10:31] <superm1> slowly
[10:31] <superm1> there are a few metapackages that are being introduced here
[10:31] <poningru> superm1: woah dude I can help... learning to package in ubuntu right now
[10:31] <superm1> poningru, come to #ubuntu-mythtv
[10:32] <superm1> we can chat there so we dont clutter up motu
[10:38] <shawarma> Who is daemon@poleboy.de? sistpoty?
[10:38] <crimsun> yes.
[10:39] <shawarma> Ok.
[10:40] <shawarma> crimsun: so.... are you up for reviewing a couple of packages? FF is getting dangerously close.
[10:41] <crimsun> tonight, if after I finish alsa triaging and packaging ardour2, sure.
[10:41] <shawarma> Wicked.
[10:44] <shawarma> crimsun: It's network-manager-{vpnc,openvpn} if you want to put them on a list of some sort.
[10:47] <shawarma> Who can change stuff in the REVU code?
[10:48] <shawarma> don't be shy. It's a really tiny change..
[10:49] <fdoving> siretart maybe? 
[10:49] <shawarma> perhaps
[10:49] <shawarma> siretart: ^^ ?
[10:53] <poningru> shawarma: omg thank you
[10:53] <poningru> rexbron: vpnc and openvpn
[10:53] <poningru> err re
[10:53] <poningru> sorry rexbron 
[10:53] <crimsun> (it'd be nice if our NM had the requisite LEAP patches, but whatever)
[10:54] <shawarma> poningru: Ah, you need them too? As I wrote on the mailing list. There's a *LOT* of demand for them. :-)
[10:54] <poningru> crimsun: LEAP?
[10:54] <poningru> http://www.gatorlug.org/node/122
[10:54] <crimsun> proprietary cisco junk used by a lot of businesses and universities
[10:54] <poningru> right
[10:54] <poningru> including ufl.edu
[10:55] <poningru> if only they used openvpn
[10:55] <shawarma> crimsun: I was under the impression the vpnc plugin did the trick for most people?
[10:55] <crimsun> I have not tried it
[10:56] <shawarma> crimsun: What about vpnc alone?
[10:56] <crimsun> up until last week, I've used interfaces(5) and wpa_supplicant.conf alone
[10:56] <poningru> it does but it does not use mga iirc
[10:56] <shawarma> crimsun: Ah, we're not talking vpn?
[10:56] <crimsun> no.
[10:56] <poningru> oh...
[10:57] <shawarma> crimsun: I just assumed so given the context. :-)
[10:57] <shawarma> crimsun: I'm on the nm mailing list. I think there has been some discussion about LEAP recently.
[10:58] <shawarma> crimsun: Either that, or I'm on crack again.
[10:59] <poningru> crimsun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_Extensible_Authentication_Protocol ?
[10:59] <crimsun> I'd assume there was at least a bit of discussion, as trunk has the patches, and people have blogged about using it
[10:59] <crimsun> poningru: yes
[10:59] <shawarma> crimsun: Ok.
[11:00] <poningru> ah thankfully our uni doesnt use it
[11:01] <shawarma> Neither does ours. They just only allow access to a Cisco concentrator from the wifi so vpnc suffices which is semi-OK.
[11:02] <shawarma> If you're studying at the right faculty they even give out the group password for vpn on the intranet. :-)
[11:44] <sjh24> I was wondering where I go to ask that two packages are updated?
[11:46] <coNP> sjh24: you want newer versions of packages ?
[11:46] <sjh24> coNP: yes
[11:46] <sjh24> listen and music-applet
[11:47] <coNP> gnome?
[11:47] <sjh24> yup
[11:47] <coNP> hey, we need some gnome expert :)
[11:47] <zul> enter a bug in launchpad
[11:47] <sjh24> listen just released 0.5 and music-applet just went 2.0.0
[11:48] <coNP> I guess it will be synced anyway
[11:48] <sjh24> they aren't in debian yet
[11:48] <coNP> if gnome 2.18 ships them
[11:49] <sjh24> they aren't gnome proper
[11:49] <coNP> then file bugs
[11:49] <TheMuso> It is upstream version freeze, so there would have to be good reasons to update them.
[11:50] <sjh24> I think music-applet has good reasons... maybe less so for listen