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[01:04] <poningru> ...
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[03:49] <poningru> rheeeeeeeeet
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[04:53] <jhnjwng> hello
[04:55] <jhnjwng> bug #74576
[04:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74576 in firefox "crash [@nsWindowWatcher::OpenWindowJSInternal]  [@nsContentTreeOwner::ShowAsModal] [@nsXULWindow::ShowModal] " [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74576
[04:56] <jhnjwng> why is it  still in status of "Needs info"?
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[10:13] <AlexLatchford> *Yawns*
[01:37] <poningru> rheeeeeeeeeet
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[02:29] <gnomefreak> is Html Validator 0.8.3.4 in the repos
[02:36] <gnomefreak> asac: did we push an update to edgys firefox into repos?
[03:08] <gnomefreak> ok what time was agreed on? I keep seeing it get moved around. maybe we should start on the 26th instead of this monday? I need to contact him to set it up would like to do it before our spot gets taken (if we have a spot)
[03:44] <gnomefreak> do we have a tag for reading crash reports?
[04:40] <asac> mt-traced I guess ... maybe we should use mt-hasreport instead
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[04:41] <gnomefreak> i have a few they ran dbg on it and got backtrace but couldnt find a tag to have someone read the backtrace
[04:41] <gnomefreak> we can worry about it monday :)
[04:42] <asac> yep ... I actually i used the traced tag when there was a valid trace/backport with symbols included
[05:22] <gnomefreak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed  down to 25 :) it was at around 80-90ish iirc. taking break for a bit. sorry again for email flood
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[05:31] <asac> good work :)
[05:31] <asac> are they all tagged?
[05:31] <asac> can you please tag as mt-needtestcase and mt-needtester too.
[05:31] <asac> ?
[05:32] <gnomefreak> i will as soon as im up to date on what they are ;)
[05:32] <asac> so you are at need summary / description stage?
[05:32] <asac> ok
[05:32] <gnomefreak> im trying to get info from them to start with
[05:32] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: I went ahead and asked nixternal to put it on the Fridge
[05:33] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: ty i couldnt find him when i was around
[05:33] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: what time/date is it set for and has everyone agreed on it?
[05:33] <asac> on the fridge?
[05:33] <gnomefreak> i saw alot of changes to times so i got confused
[05:33] <asac> i don't know ... bug 2130 ... is pretty hard here :9
[05:33] <Ubugtu> Bug 2130 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/2130 is private
[05:33] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: 21.30 UTC. I figured half a day is enough time to disagrre with it
[05:33] <asac> oops
[05:33] <asac> 2130
[05:33] <asac> :)
[05:34] <asac> this monday is fine
[05:34] <asac> but maybe we can vary the hour a bit
[05:34] <gnomefreak> asac: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/
[05:35] <asac> ah ok
[05:35] <gnomefreak> here is the meetings page http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event
[05:36] <Admiral_Chicago> breakfast. I should hear back from Richard soon
[05:36] <gnomefreak> if 21:30 isnt good we need to get a good time before it can be put on fridge or we will miss our own meeting
[05:37] <asac> this monday its fine
[05:37] <gnomefreak> 21:30 ok?
[05:38] <asac> but yeah
[05:38] <asac> pretty late
[05:38] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: david said it was fine, that's okay with me, Alex can make it.
[05:38] <asac> i might skip at some point
[05:38] <Admiral_Chicago> ohh, right well this one will be informal asac
[05:38] <gnomefreak> define formal and informal
[05:38] <gnomefreak> imho a meeting is a meeting
[05:39] <gnomefreak> anyway i have to get moving ill be back later
[05:39] <asac> cu
[05:39] <Admiral_Chicago> i have to eat as well
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[06:30] <AlexLatchford> going to burn an ISO and test it out, may update later on tomorrow
[06:37] <Admiral_Chicago> wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd4
[06:37] <Admiral_Chicago> there is a test page on there
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[06:39] <AlexLatchford> yeah Herd4 was released a few days ago
[06:39] <Admiral_Chicago> no, there is a page to look at...to see if it installed properly
[06:39] <AlexLatchford> dfarning: https://launchpad.net/~mozilla-bugs the description on this page still has a spelling mistake in the mailing list
[06:39] <Admiral_Chicago> gotta run
[06:39] <AlexLatchford> oh ok
[06:53] <dfarning> AlexLatchford,  thanks  --fixed
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[08:18] <poningru> what we gonna do today brain?
[09:05] <poningru> hey guys
[09:05] <poningru> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/2.0.0.2-candidates/rc4
[09:05] <poningru> latest respin with all the stuff
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[09:26] <gnomefreak> i want tb 1.5.0.10 :(
[09:27] <dfarning> I want a pony:)
[09:27] <gnomefreak> asac: hes right looks like a point release for 2.0
[09:27] <gnomefreak> :)
[09:27] <dfarning> do we have a date for tb 2.0
[09:29] <gnomefreak> no afaik there was alot holding it back but no ETA yet just first quarter
[09:30] <dfarning> gnomefreak, have you thought about renaming firefox package back to mozilla-firefox
[09:30] <gnomefreak> poningru: i will talk to asac monday about it
[09:30] <gnomefreak> dfarning: cant tehre is a mozilla-firefox already
[09:30] <gnomefreak> there*
[09:31] <gnomefreak> same versions not real sure what the difference is
[09:31] <dfarning> mozilla-firefox is a transitional package when we rename to firefox for branding reasons
[09:31] <dfarning> now we can change back
=== gnomefreak can get along with that if needed
[09:32] <dfarning> I'l post on agenda for discussion
[09:32] <poningru> gnomefreak: .10?
[09:32] <poningru> .9 candidacy is available
[09:33] <gnomefreak> .10 should be out soon
[09:33] <poningru> oh right
[09:33] <poningru> hmm they havent even tried packaging it yet
[09:33] <poningru> hold on I'll ask
[09:33] <gnomefreak> when it is i can build it but until than im stuck on that. waiting for info on maintainer once i get that i should have -snapshot releases
[09:34] <gnomefreak> poningru: upstream hasnt spun them yet
[09:34] <poningru> yeah I know
[09:34] <poningru> asking neil about it
[09:34] <poningru> he's sleeping now will bug later
[09:35] <gnomefreak> poningru: we have upstream guy in this channel :)
[09:35] <gnomefreak> rhelmer: you around?
[09:35] <poningru> oh hehe
[09:36] <poningru> hmm
[09:36] <poningru> I didnt know rhelmer was working on tb stuff
[09:36] <gnomefreak> hes upstream mozilla not really tb or ff iirc
[09:36] <poningru> he is afk
[09:36] <poningru> ah yeah thats right
[09:36] <poningru> he is build
[09:38] <poningru> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRjVeRbhtRU
[09:40] <gnomefreak> whos using feisty?
[09:41] <poningru> not I :(
[09:41] <poningru> my lappy cant use the alternative cd or the desktop cd
[09:41] <gnomefreak> poningru: will you go to a link for me :)
[09:41] <poningru> sure
[09:42] <poningru> you want it in ff 2.0? gp? or minefield?
[09:42] <gnomefreak> http://www.wretch.cc/blog/cinphy
[09:42] <gnomefreak> 20
[09:42] <gnomefreak> oopps both
[09:42] <poningru> oh k
[09:42] <gnomefreak> 2.0 and 3.0 if you have it
[09:42] <gnomefreak> looking for crash
[09:42] <gnomefreak> let me know if you end up with report in /var/crash
[09:42] <poningru> no crash but I have noscript
[09:42] <poningru> should i turn off extensions?
[09:43] <gnomefreak> yes try it
[09:43] <dfarning> been using feisty daily since herd 3
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[09:43] <poningru> dfarning: me too on my server
[09:43] <gnomefreak> dfarning: try that link please. i crash on it but no apport crash report :(
[09:43] <dfarning> much more stable on my new laptop;)
[09:43] <poningru> can you believe that the mysql server does not allow freakin root??? I'm like wtf
[09:44] <poningru> gnomefreak: no crash on 3.0
[09:44] <dfarning> gnomefreak, will do
[09:44] <poningru> this is edgy
[09:44] <gnomefreak> it seems to be that persons blog
[09:44] <gnomefreak> http://www.wretch.cc/blog  == no crash
[09:45] <dfarning> it closed my browser without a report!
[09:46] <poningru> hmm no crash on 3.0 weird
[09:47] <gnomefreak> not weird at all
[09:47] <gnomefreak> no crash on edgy either?
[09:47] <gnomefreak> poningru: do you have flash and java enabled?
[09:48] <poningru> no
[09:48] <poningru> no plugins
[09:48] <dfarning> I have both flash and java
[09:48] <gnomefreak> poningru: can you install flash and try it than install java and try it?
[09:48] <poningru> :(
[09:48] <gnomefreak> im betting there is some sort of JS on her/his blog
[09:48] <gnomefreak> poningru: wait i have edgy chroot
[09:49] <poningru> YAAH
[09:49] <poningru> its not js
[09:49] <gnomefreak> i can try it. but need atleast  a test for 3.0 with flash9 and java (if someone has a 3.0 fully stocked
[09:49] <gnomefreak> poningru: what is it?
[09:49] <poningru> cause with/without no-script it doesnt crash
[09:50] <poningru> so its gotta be the flash or java
[09:50] <gnomefreak> i will run backtrace. David if you get time can you also run a backtrace and post it to bug 85198
[09:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85198 in firefox "when I drag some Icons , firefox crashed" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85198
[09:50] <gnomefreak> oops
[09:50] <gnomefreak> wait a min
[09:51] <gnomefreak> shit hes an idiot :(
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[09:51] <dfarning> I didn't get a crash report fx shut down cleanly
=== gnomefreak is gonna have to try to manualy grab backtrace
[09:59] <poningru> -enable-debug ;)
[10:00] <poningru> gnomefreak: [15:59:58]  <Tomcat> poningru: http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox:1.5.0.10-2.0.0.2 "Target Release Date: Thursday 2/22 (Firefox) and Tuesday 2/25? (Thunderbird)"
[10:00] <gnomefreak> ty
[10:05] <gnomefreak> looks like a totem crash
[10:05] <gnomefreak> /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/totem/libtotem-gmp-plugin.so: undefined symbol: NS_CStringContainerInit
[10:06] <gnomefreak> i think i have totem-xine maybe it needs something else?
[10:06] <poningru> ah yeah there was a wmv plugin prompt
[10:07] <poningru> w32codecs
[10:07] <poningru> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[10:07] <poningru> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/WindowsCodecs
[10:08] <gnomefreak> poningru: yes i know all that and i have them already
[10:08] <poningru> hmm
[10:08] <gnomefreak> poningru: not using gstreamer so wont use w32codecs :)
[10:08] <poningru> eew why not?
[10:08] <gnomefreak> poningru: im using -xine engine
[10:08] <poningru> ah
[10:08] <gnomefreak> totem-xine :)
[10:08] <poningru> ah I see that
[10:09] <gnomefreak> ill be back in a bit
[10:09] <poningru> switch to mplayer-plugin for wmv then
[10:17] <gnomefreak> more python updates :(
[10:17] <gnomefreak> david i am thinking about closing that bug since its the site not firefox
[10:24] <gnomefreak> sob
[10:25] <dfarning> gnomefreak, sorry I wasn't following
[10:25] <gnomefreak> dfarning: the crash bug on that blog link i gave was due to a file on the site
[10:26] <dfarning> How can a file crash a browser?
[10:26] <dfarning> was it media player related
[10:27] <gnomefreak> yes wmv file
[10:27] <dfarning> fx _should_ handle wmv more gracefully then to shut down;(
[10:28] <gnomefreak> dfarning: should yes but cant if you dont have the right codecs/player-plugins to veiw the restricted format
[10:29] <dfarning> gnomefreak, was it the media player that died bringing down fx or did fx die
[10:29] <dfarning> should be able to tell from the stack trace
[10:29] <gnomefreak> never got to play it. it tried to play it than poof (seems the site forces you to try and play it)
[10:31] <gnomefreak> this is bad
[10:31] <dfarning> Let's ask asac to show us how to run gdb correctly and study the result together
[10:31] <gnomefreak> give me a few i found a dupe of that bug from the backtrace
[10:31] <dfarning> ok
[10:32] <gnomefreak> another what looks like totem crashing ff
[10:32] <dfarning> do you have a like to that bug?
[10:33] <gnomefreak> lol no not at all it was one that crashed for me so i work on it :)
[10:34] <dfarning> s/link/like/
[10:35] <gnomefreak> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/85198
[10:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85198 in firefox "[Feisty]  FireFox crashes on trying to open http://www.wretch.cc/blog/cinphy" [Medium,Needs info] 
[10:35] <gnomefreak> im gonna tryu a few more backtraces on it
[10:36] <crimsun> gnomefreak: we have a breakdown of how to process apport's dumps, correct?
[10:36] <crimsun> (someone in -bugs is inquiring)
[10:36] <gnomefreak> with differnet options being ran.
[10:37] <gnomefreak> you would have to know how to read a stacktrace for most part. unless he means apport-retrace
[10:37] <gnomefreak> than its a bit more work
[10:37] <crimsun> the latter
[10:37] <dfarning> crimsun, what do you mean by breakdown
[10:38] <crimsun> 16:34 < cowbud> is there a run down somewhere on using apport and all the files it produces?
[10:38] <gnomefreak> yeah kind of we are still working out the details on it (edgys apport is not good to run them with)
[10:38] <gnomefreak> it errors
[10:39] <dfarning> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Apport?highlight=%28CategoryMozillaTeam%29
[10:39] <dfarning> is a link to how we are using hooks
[10:39] <gnomefreak> also edgys repos are not up to date so using the -d flag may not do it right eother
[10:41] <dfarning> crimsun, I could email you the issues we have come across with apport and apport-retace
=== gnomefreak came across all of them :(
[10:42] <dfarning> don't want to sound like we are whining but we do have some constructive feedback.
[10:43] <crimsun> if you've been in contact with Martin regarding said issues, then that's probably better
[10:43] <gnomefreak> we have
[10:43] <dfarning> Yes, all conversation has been with martin or on -dev
[10:43] <gnomefreak> just waiting for him to get time to work on it afaik
[10:45] <gnomefreak> dfarning: im working on the normal way peopel should run backtraces if it produces more info as i think it will we need to update our wiki to run it like this
[10:45] <gnomefreak> setting all the gdb options
[10:47] <dfarning> gnomefreak, ty
[10:47] <gnomefreak> yw
[10:49] <dfarning> Im not sure but to be as useful as possiable I belive that retrace -d needs to be  run in a chroot with all version matching the orginal reporters versions
[10:49] <gnomefreak> dfarning: if martins repo was up-to-date we could
[10:50] <gnomefreak> he only has symbols for ff-2.0+0dfsg...
[10:50] <gnomefreak> we could really use thunderbird-dbg or -dbgsym
[10:50] <gnomefreak> martins feisty repo has it but not edgy
[10:50] <dfarning> do we need to work to insure that -dbg ware present for all of our packages
[10:51] <gnomefreak> yes
[10:51] <gnomefreak> and depends
[10:52] <gnomefreak> i suggest (dont know how much work it will be) but i think we need to hold our own repo of dbg or dbgsym packages so we know they are up to date as we update a package we can update the -dbg. but apport looks to martins repo only
[10:52] <dfarning> put it on my task list
[10:52] <gnomefreak> so if we make -dbg we cant use the -d flash
[10:52] <gnomefreak> flag
[10:53] <gnomefreak> -d flag downloads -dbgsym from martins repo
[10:53] <dfarning> I thought -d grabbed -sbgsym from a repos in sources
[10:54] <dfarning> s/a/all
[10:55] <gnomefreak> we dont have them in normal repos dbgsym is only in his repos i thought
[10:56] <gnomefreak> it seems gdb cant run firefox :(
[10:57] <dfarning> since apport is a ubuntu wide tools would it make since to set globel standard to build -dbgsym across all packages and stick them in a repo
[11:01] <gnomefreak> would have to ask martin but im 90% sure it uses his repo
[11:03] <gnomefreak> how do i look up error codes for firefox?
[11:04] <dfarning> no idea
[11:04] <dfarning> will look at martins repo
[11:05] <gnomefreak> dfarning: if you dont have his repo enabled just apt-cache search firefox and it wont list the -dbgsym unless its in one of ubuntu repos
[11:06] <dfarning> dfarning@dfarning-laptop:~$ apt-cache search firefox
[11:06] <dfarning> epiphany-browser - Intuitive GNOME web browser
[11:06] <dfarning> firefox - lightweight web browser based on Mozilla
[11:06] <dfarning> firefox-dbg - debugging symbols for firefox
[11:06] <gnomefreak> the way i did it doesnt give any more info that makes me think ff isnt crashes
[11:07] <gnomefreak> dfarning: you dont see -dbgsym files though
[11:07] <gnomefreak> only -dbg
[11:08] <dfarning> lets push it off to the correct media player
[11:08] <gnomefreak> and just that file isnt enough to get a good retrace you need to set up exactly what the user had (not as easy as it seems without the -dbgsym files
[11:09] <dfarning> totem-mozilla?
[11:09] <gnomefreak> cant yet dont know what the users have (mostlikely totem-gstreamer but hell im using totem-xine)
[11:09] <gnomefreak> and its crashing here
[11:09] <gnomefreak> closing
[11:09] <gnomefreak> no backtrace is able to be gotten so im assuming its closing not crashing
[11:10] <dfarning> where is martins repo?
[11:10] <gnomefreak> willing to bet if they install mplayer with w32codecs and use it as default it will work fine but i cant say use w32codecs
[11:10] <dfarning> i agree
[11:11] <gnomefreak> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ddebs feisty main universe
[11:11] <dfarning> ty
[11:11] <gnomefreak> im gonna add multiverse and restricted to that
[11:11] <gnomefreak> see what i get than if anything more
[11:12] <gnomefreak> dfarning: yeah add restricted and mulitverse to that
[11:12] <gnomefreak> multiverse even
[11:13] <dfarning> ok
=== dfarning browsing through the repo now
[11:13] <gnomefreak> crimsun: can you look at a bug or 2 for me :( i attached gdb output not really alot though
[11:15] <dfarning> http://lwn.net/Articles/201302/ good article on ddebs!
[11:21] <gnomefreak> yeah but i think he got busy with feisty stuff and hasnt had a chance to update his repos in a while but he is aware of the issues last i heard
[11:22] <dfarning> the bit i am concered about is not keeping old version
[11:22] <dfarning> don't we need them
[11:22] <dfarning> ?
[11:22] <gnomefreak> we do
[11:22] <gnomefreak> to retrace fx2.0+0dfsg... you need that version of fx
[11:23] <gnomefreak> that was in edgy latest edgy is 2.0.0.1
[11:23] <dfarning> We could request that old firefox -dgsym be retained
[11:24] <gnomefreak> im happy with martins repos only issue is there is few fx and tb stuff including flash-dbgsym
[11:24] <dfarning> is the build system sticking the -dbgsym in his repo or is he doing it him self?
[11:25] <gnomefreak> so it needs major overhaul if we are gonna use it. if you run the -d flag it gives you lib... cant be found lib... cant be found for a bunch of libs we need dbgsym for to beable to get all symbols
[11:27] <dfarning> could you put together an email about what you need/would like I'll turn it in to a spec or bring it up on -dev
[11:27] <gnomefreak> dont know what their plan is but atm its using martins repos is all i know and we need to get some more  in there to aid us in getting good stacktraces. hj... is going to an outside place to grab -dbg symbols to get his reports more or less full. but i dont see it being effeciant
[11:27] <gnomefreak> dfarning: that is a huge list. im not sure exactly what libs are needed i can really only give you like tb-dbgsym and flash-dbgsym java-dbgsym
[11:28] <gnomefreak> but there are libs that are needed but either versions dont match or there are none. i can give you the report i got from apport and add those to the list but thats about it
[11:29] <dfarning> gnomefreak, was not thinking list rather over view of current failings and how to fix them;)
[11:30] <gnomefreak> i will start with what we need in the way of dbg/dbgsym packages that apport complains about but i cant tell you what package lib... belongs to
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[11:31] <dfarning> ty
[11:31] <gnomefreak> and not sure if they are directly or indirectly related to add-ons themes or what not
[11:31] <gnomefreak> after my smoke ill start on it and send it to the ML
[11:32] <dfarning> sould good, I needs to leave for dinner before I get in trouble;)
[11:32] <dfarning> s/sould/sounds/
[11:35] <gnomefreak> cu
[12:04] <gnomefreak> dfarning: when you get back its sent to ML and im off most likely for the night. reply to ML just incase power goes out :( and i will check in morning. Thank you for looking into this further