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Madpilotnalioth, you mean lotusleaf's blocks? I'm seeing them as black/grey, might be your client letting colours thru?12:23
naliothgrey is a color, n'est pas?12:23
mc44well black dots hardly counts as grey12:24
Madpilotthe grey bits seem to be patterns12:24
GazzaKthey are basic charactors, he has just been reading ascii font lists12:36
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Madpilot"thekidrio" in #ubuntu just earned himself a kb, not sure if this is his first or not - I seem to recall issues with that user in the recent past...01:05
GazzaKwhat did he do?01:07
naliothhe asked for it01:08
GazzaKreally, as in "please kick-ban me?"  thats a bit silly01:08
naliothGazzaK: /lastlog is your friend01:11
Madpilotyes, he pulled !language, then really did ask. so I obliged...01:14
GazzaKahh, cool01:14
naliothwith some cuss words thrown in for good measure01:17
Madpilotlesson the first: don't mouth off random users, because they just might be ops01:18
Mezhmm /lastlog doesnt do anything for me01:18
naliothMez: it's /lastlog thekidrio                      use it in #ubuntu01:18
GazzaKfor me it answers with Madpilot's comment01:18
Mezit only searches the BUFFER01:18
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naliothMez: your buffer doesn't hold 5 minute?01:22
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naliothPriceChild: poke Seveas01:25
PriceChildIs he around? Hehe yeah I poked him a day or two ago but had to leave01:26
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Meznalioth meh01:55
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kgoetzhi Hobbsee02:38
Hobbseehey kgoetz :)02:38
kgoetzhallo :)02:38
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morpheus74Hello.  I'm new to all this ,but I've been told by the #Ubuntu channel that my router may have a bug.  I was then told to come here for verification?04:10
naliothmorpheus74: join me in #moderation, please04:11
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kgoetzi weep for you, the walrus said, i deeply sympathise ....04:15
ubotuIn ubotu, flipstar said: foo is fo04:27
ubotuIn ubotu, flipstar said: !foo is also bar04:27
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morpheus74Hello.  I need my router tested04:44
naliothmorpheus74: #moderation please04:45
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naliothmorpheus74: what client are you using?04:47
morpheus74nalioth: Xchat.04:47
nalioththere is a difference04:48
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elkbuntuHobbsee, you shit stirrer, you05:56
Hobbseeelkbuntu: hrm?05:57
elkbuntuyou're so taunting the troll05:57
Hobbseeah.  yes05:58
Hobbseeelkbuntu: and asking you something that i'd meant to ask for a whilie :P05:58
ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.05:58
elkbuntus/s word/fecal matter/06:02
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ubotuIn #ubuntuforums, lotusleaf said: ubotu: !sugar is Sugar on Ubuntu Linux: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar_on_Ubuntu_Linux06:35
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gradini need to be bumped back to #ubuntu whenever you guys got a moment07:38
Madpilotgradin, you being forwarded to -read-topic?07:39
gradinMadpilot: yep07:39
gradinfixed the ddc exploit though07:39
Madpilotgood deal - one sec07:39
Madpilotgradin, please join #madpilot for a quick test07:39
Madpilotgradin, give me a second to find your ban in #ubuntu07:41
Madpilotgradin, all clear07:42
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naliothMadpilot: are you sending both methods?07:51
Madpilotnalioth, are there two? I know "D C C SEND ETC" - what's the other?07:52
naliother, using both methods07:52
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zythI can't join #ubuntu or #ubuntu-offtopic08:19
Madpilotnot with gateway/tor/, you won't be able to08:20
zythbooo hisss08:20
ubotuIn #ubuntu, zcat[1]  said: !ops communist_pope is looking for the door...08:20
naliothzyth: have you seen the gpg-tor system freenode offers?08:20
Madpilotblame the spammers, NGAA crew, etc08:20
zythnalioth, just reading about it.  It lets me access stuff?08:21
naliothzyth: gpg-tor is the only welcome tor access in a lot of channels08:21
zythits not really important, I'm just trying out Tor, but I didn't expect the restrictions08:21
naliothtor has been severaly abused08:21
zythyeah I guess so08:22
zythok, well thnx :)08:23
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zyththere :) thnx again!08:25
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Seveasfortuns don't need looking at08:50
Seveasthe offensive ones are only enabledin -bots :)08:50
naliothi've +q'd ubugtu in #kubuntu-offtopic for some really nasty ones08:50
naliothsaw some risque ones yesterday, but today Ubugtu was spittin' out some lulus08:52
Seveasthen someone requested the offensive ones in there08:53
naliothnot i08:53
Seveas@config channel #kubuntu-offtopic plugins.mess.offensive08:53
Seveas@config channel #kubuntu-offtopic plugins.mess.offensive False08:53
Seveasyou can -q him now08:53
naliothalready did  :)  thanks08:53
Seveas@config plugins.mess.offensive False08:55
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apokryphosSeveas: any ETA of when the bots can go back into all their channels again?11:41
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Mezapokryphos, not that bad... just a bit confusing11:42
apokryphosMez: I presume pretty much all the stuff is solely down to the Encyclopedia plugin, or is there much hacking elsewhere?11:43
apokryphos...since I recall LjL saying he can't ask in #supybot with a straight face after all the hacking he did with ubotwo11:44
Mezapokrophys - anything with ! is using encycl11:44
apokryphosright, ok11:44
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effie_jayxa drunk guy on ubuntu...12:41
effie_jayxhe just called me a biatch :D12:41
Mezeffie_jayx, nickname?12:42
effie_jayxhe has started attacking people now...12:42
elkbuntueffie_jayx, where?12:42
=== Mez already dealt
kgoetzdrunks arent a problem. obnoxious drunks are12:43
effie_jayxwell... this one seems to know that I told...12:43
Mezeffie_jayx, why ?12:43
effie_jayxhe's quiet now12:43
Mezeffie_jayx, he got kicked12:43
effie_jayx<oclet> Frogzoo: ur a douche bag12:43
effie_jayx<oclet> and not funny12:43
Mez* oclet (i=oclet@blade.rsc.cx) has left #ubuntu (requested by Mez: "That isnt wanted here")12:44
effie_jayx<oclet> i'm drunk12:44
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effie_jayx<oclet> bitches12:44
Mezeffie_jayx, dealt with12:44
effie_jayxMez,  ahh no wonder... :D12:44
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kgoetzdefinition of irony - flooding the channel to show someone else being 'bad'12:45
elkbuntuhe's quit irc as well it seems12:45
Mez@lart 28 kgoetz12:45
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kgoetzprobably got the hint12:45
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ikonianah he's in ##linux12:45
ikoniabeing rude12:46
Hobbseeeffie_jayx: you spanish?12:46
effie_jayxspanish decendant Venezuelan :D12:46
Hobbseeeffie_jayx: darn.12:46
effie_jayxwith some Guajiro blood in me...12:46
effie_jayxHobbsee,  can speak spanish though ;)12:46
elkbuntuikonia, sure? /who isnt showing anything from blade.rsc.cx12:46
ikoniahe's gone all quiet - but he made a few "wise" remakes about 2 - 3 minutes ago12:47
ikoniahe's still in the channel, but gone all quiet12:47
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ubotuThere are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit02:18
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LjL[15:19:55]  --> jokoon has joined this channel (i=JokooN@136.193.103-84.rev.gaoland.net).   [15:20:20]  <jokoon> I can I access the windows registry ?   [15:20:30]  <jokoon> how ?   [15:21:38]  <jokoon> LjL forget that, I was trying to piss someone about windows to get banned.03:23
LjLhow exactly should i read this?03:24
effie_jayxhey anybody know about the  #ubuntu-es meeting?03:24
Tm_TLjL: He's in need of ban.03:24
mc44LjL: well its very poor sentence construction for a start :)03:24
Tm_TLjL: Just remove, that'll piss him off. ;)03:25
Tm_TOr silence03:25
ubotuIn ubotu, Quilby said: !amd is a company that makes processors.03:32
ubotuIn ubotu, Quilby said: !foo is hello bar03:33
ubotuIn ubotu, ElbridgeGerry said: !no, foo is foo is bar03:33
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LjLew you haven't tried that have you03:34
Hobbseein here, yes03:35
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Hobbseegood luck wiht that03:36
mc44effie_jayx: hes on his way to india or something isnt he?03:37
effie_jayxyeah... globe trotter him...03:37
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effie_jayxLjL,  lol...03:38
mc44LjL: bah, travel the world. its funs :)03:38
LjLand you get planes almost for free these days, too :P but the call of the armchair...03:39
=== ompaul has been on the mainland of europe several countries, the uk, asia, australia, and africa
mc44ompaul: bah you beat me :)03:39
=== LjL has been in Spain, Greece and Scotland, and one could say Switzerland i suppose.
ompaulLjL, could say - why is that?03:40
LjLwell, at one time i was simply on a mountain in the alps where there was a "switzerland/italy" sign, and i passed it by about 2 meters :P03:41
ompaulyou invader you03:42
LjLthen another time i actually passed the frontier by train, but then they speak italian, it's not really a foreign country :OP03:42
LjL(don't tell them that though)03:42
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ompaul.ie .de .nl .be .fr .es .sg .jp .au .uk .ma03:43
mc44oh I can beat that, lets see...03:43
ompaulmy wife would add .it .yu .gr .kn .us and san marino03:44
mc44.de .fr .be .nl .se .ie .es .at .cz .us .it .ch .ca .kn .in .my ..sg .ch .hk .ph .aw .an .cy .gr .pt .mt03:49
Tm_TI have never been outside of Finland.03:50
ompaulahh .fi03:50
mc44Tm_T: well I havent been to finland. I should03:51
Tm_Tmc44: Oh you should. :)03:51
Tm_Tmc44: In summer when sun is shining at night and in winter when it's dark and -30'C :)03:51
mc44Winter! Im all for permanent darkness :)03:52
Tm_TWell, I love summernights as much as autumn/winter darkness. :)03:52
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ompaulSeveas, whaaaaaa04:41
ompault are you doing not here04:42
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effie_jayxhow do I silent someone...05:47
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olihahwhy was i redirected here? this is NOT a public channel....07:09
LjLolihah, you're using a web gateway07:10
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LjLi'm sorry, but you should connect directly07:10
ubotuHelp! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos or tonyyarusso07:11
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AlexC_I am wondering how I could become an op for the official Ubuntu channels? I am always in when there is someone breaking the rules and messing up the channel, I just wish I could do my bit for the community and remove the offesneive user07:17
LjLAlexC_: just be helpful and nice in the channel, that's how you become an op eventually :)07:19
AlexC_LjL: Ok, so it's just by chance that another op may think I would make a good op, then they ask the other ops what they think etc?07:20
LjLAlexC_: yes, but then we do generally notice who the most helpful people are. though, also, it depends whether we think we need ops or not at the moment07:22
LjLsee this also07:22
ubotuThe people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines07:22
AlexC_LjL: ok, thanks for you're help =)07:23
Seveasapokryphos, Encyclopedia has been cleaned up and is now not hard to us07:46
Seveasompaul, 'sup?07:47
SeveasLjL, ditto, 'sup?07:47
LjLhi Seveas, nothing i guess, there was just this kind of suspicious gateway user who was followed by a clone...07:48
LjLand before that there was a mess apparently, but all ops were away :\07:48
SeveasI was moving my uncles stuff to his new house07:49
LjLi was walking around the city, one has to do this sort of things sometimes... like once a year07:50
Mezdoes ubotu now do automated warnings?08:05
ubotuIn #ubuntuforums, lotusleaf said: ubotu: !filezilla is filezilla is in universe for edgy/feisty and needs mention here :)08:07
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about filezilla - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:07
LjLwell it's in backports08:08
Mez!info filezilla08:11
ubotuPackage filezilla does not exist in edgy, edgy-seveas08:11
MezSeveas, how about including backports08:11
LjL!filezilla edgy-backports08:11
ubotufilezilla: Port of the famous Win32 graphical FTP client. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0.0~beta2-2~edgy1 (edgy-backports), package size 659 kB, installed size 1716 kB08:11
Mezah cool :D08:11
Seveas%config plugins.encyclopedia.searchorder08:12
ubotuedgy edgy-seveas08:12
Seveas%config plugins.encyclopedia.searchorder edgy edgy-backports edgy-seveas08:12
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ompaulSeveas, I had an idea that might help with memory consumption08:24
Mezompaul, buy more memort ?08:24
Mezmemory *08:25
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Seveasinteresting idea though :)08:26
Mezis it me or does08:26
Mezsound patronising08:26
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ubotuIf new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports08:27
ubotuYou want to connect via dial-up? Read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto08:27
Mezthere we go08:27
Mezit sounds patronising to me08:27
ompaulSeveas, what if a single front end tailed the text + channel name to a filter and then its output is only what the bots themselves read and react to08:27
Seveasompaul, that requires code08:31
ompaulSeveas, there is that but I thought you had rewritten most of their innards at this stage08:31
ompaulSeveas, the other thing08:32
Seveasonly the plugins08:32
ompaulSeveas, the other thing I have for you is this08:32
ompaulVoici un compte-rendu final de la demande de transfert dcrite ci-dessous.  XXXXX Rsultat: transfert russi08:32
ompaulfor all existing ones :)08:32
Mezompaul, did you mean to paste that08:33
Seveasompaul, in english please08:33
ompauldomain transfers complete08:33
Seveasahhhhhhh ok08:34
Seveasnow i get it :)08:34
ompaulI can safely say that was the most painful online transaction I ever undertook08:34
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Mezlinopil, whats the problem in #kubuntu ?08:36
linopilat your disposal08:36
linopilnoe at all08:36
linopilnone at all08:36
Mez<linopil> op help needed08:37
linopilI mean wanted a help for small #ubuntu-lg rooms08:37
Mezwhat do you need help with ?08:37
linopillike #ubuntu-il #ubuntu-gr can they have ubotu oN  as well mez ?08:37
Mezlinopil, at the moment, no08:38
Mezlinopil, ubotu is overloaded as it is08:38
linopilthat would make ppl  stay in room Iguess mez nalioth08:38
naliothlinopil: ubotwo has joined those rooms08:38
Mez%channel list08:38
linopilcan it be copied and renamed ?08:38
naliothlinopil: go look08:39
linopilk ty08:39
Mezor maybe it can ...08:39
MezSeveas, is it not worth maybe running two ubotus?08:39
linopilwow mez ty you did that ?08:39
linopilis it permanent mez08:39
Mezlinopil, no, Seveas = the owner08:39
naliothMez: we DO run two 'ubotus'08:39
naliothlinopil: i did it.08:39
Meznalioth, ubotwo ?08:39
naliothMez: we run ubotu (belongs to seveas) and ubotwo (belongs to LjL)08:40
ompaullinopil, be happy if its name changes come back here08:40
linopilty nalioth. and will it be permanent ?08:40
Seveasnalioth, is ubotwi cloaked?08:40
Meznalioth, do they share the same database?08:40
ompaulSeveas, no08:40
naliothSeveas: i'll make it so08:40
ompaulLjL, ^^08:40
linopilnot same database ?08:40
Seveasnalioth, ubuntu/bot/* please08:41
ompaullinopil, it does - just relax please08:41
naliothMez: ubotwo shares the same database linopil08:41
linopilthen factoids maybe copied from time to time ?08:41
naliothlinopil: they are updated regularly08:41
linopilsorry ompaul08:41
Seveaslinopil, it may lag right know, don't know when ljl synced08:41
Meznalioth, thought they were on seperate servers :D08:41
naliothyou'll have no problems, linopil08:41
SeveasMez, they are08:41
naliothMez: mmm, rsync?08:41
naliothMez: cronjob08:41
MezSeveas, if need be I can host a ubothree ?08:41
naliothMez: this IS linux08:41
naliothMez: i'm next in line08:41
MezSeveas, if need be I can host a ubofour08:41
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ompaulMez, or not if not needed :P08:42
nalioththat go to waste08:42
Meznalioth, that sounds wrong08:42
ompaulMez, I have work that needs doing if you have spare capacity08:42
Seveasit may actually help to properly split the load if ubotwo has good connectivity08:42
naliothSeveas: i'll get with LjL when he comes on08:43
Seveasan Ubugtwo would help as well, but requires a mail account with "+ hacks"08:43
Mezompaul, what sort of work ?08:43
linopilty parting here08:43
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MezSeveas, what do you mean "+Hacks"?08:43
Mez(as I can probably host ubugtwo08:43
Tm_TWeird, I'm not mentioned in !ops return...08:44
naliothTm_T: you have to be ACTIVE08:45
Tm_T!op I mean08:45
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about op i mean - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:45
Tm_Tnalioth: Active?08:45
naliothTm_T:  the folks who program the bots need to see you active08:45
naliothwe have a lot of ops on the access list who've not been seen in ages08:45
nalioththey are not in the bots responses08:45
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Tm_TAh ok.08:46
naliothTm_T: now get back to work  :P08:46
MezSee, this is why I think ops should have a different host cloak08:47
Mezso that ubotwo can then just check a /who and find who's active and ping them08:47
naliothMez: no. the list of ops is static in ubot*08:48
Meznalioth, I think it should be dynamic08:49
Mezlike /stats p08:49
naliothMez: you write a patch and submit it to Seveas08:49
Meznalioth, it would depend on seperate cloaks :D08:49
Mezor something to find out if they're an op in /who08:50
PriceChildThat would be pretty cool Mez ...08:50
PriceChildOr maybe just checking a list of known ops and their status?08:50
SeveasPriceChild, read what nalioth wrote :)08:50
Seveaswrite a patch and I'll apply it :)08:51
MezPriceChild, true... but again, /who gives here/gone status08:51
MezSeveas, will you alter masks?08:51
Seveasalter masks?08:51
Mezsay something like08:51
PriceChildSeveas: So tempting :P08:51
Mezmez *08:51
PriceChildMez: can't be in that form08:51
PriceChildMez: has to be ubuntu/foo/name08:52
SeveasPriceChild, ubuntu/foo/bar name is possible as well08:52
MezPriceChild, want a bet ?08:52
PriceChildMez: there was talk of ubuntu/member./name08:52
naliothstep one: load bot with access lists per channel08:52
Seveasbut only ubuntu/member/name will be accepted :)08:52
naliothstep two: check /away or 'idle' status08:52
PriceChildSeveas: yeah but not allowed by rules yet? :P08:52
naliothstep 3: poke the victim, er , op08:52
MezSeveas, thats political wise, not technical wise08:53
naliothSeveas: we have some ops (i won't name names [ompaul] ) without ubuntu cloaks08:53
MezPriceChild, I once had unaffiliated/mez/bot/lethargy for my bot08:53
Seveasnalioth, we should kill such people, especially if they're irish08:53
PriceChildMez: ah ok sorry, I just remember some staff people saying that it wouldn't be allowed... think it was Jenda :P08:54
ompaulSeveas, ahh yes coding though violence08:54
PriceChildWho by the way we can now bad mouth for a couplle of weeks 8-)08:54
Seveasompaul, percussive maintenance08:54
MezPriceChild, it's a "policy" it's not impossible to do08:54
ompaulSeveas, hammering the keyboard08:54
PriceChildMez: yeah that's what i was referring to sorry :)08:54
=== Mez disagrees with the policy though
Mezbut IIRC, it was set by the CC ?08:55
=== PriceChild imagines Mez being in charge.... :P
SeveasMez, it sort-of was08:55
MezPriceChild, is it good or bad?08:56
mc44Mez: just scary08:57
Mezmc44, you ought to see me when I'm drunk (aka in 3 hours or so)08:58
mc44Mez: do come back and do that hilarious drunk on irc thing :)08:58
Mezmc44, I cant remember last time I was drunk on IRC08:58
Mezwhat happened?08:58
mc44oh I just meant drunk people on irc in general :)08:59
MezI vaguely remember being drunk in here before09:00
MezI'm good when I'm drunk09:00
MezI type better09:00
mc44and with much more eloquent swearing :p09:00
MezI rarely swear on IRC09:01
LjLSeveas, Mez: i sync the database manually when there's a major ubotu outage, generally09:01
Mezand I just had a message saying that it's time for me to go to the pub09:01
LjLi suppose i can set up a cronjob to do it automatically, if it's going to be used all the time in some channels09:01
SeveasLjL, if you feel comfortable with that, it would help a lot in reducing ubotus load09:01
LjLSeveas: it should be fine, just don't expect it to be very robust - the server is a humble 300mhz, and supybot seems to be particularly sensitive to load09:03
MezSeveas, I can host a ubothree ;) or nalioth wants to09:03
=== Seveas bbl
somerville32You can host it on my AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ if you want.09:14
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PriceChildSeveas: you around still by any chance?09:25
Seveas%config list Encyclopedia09:34
Seveas%config list plugins.Encyclopedia09:34
ubotu#database, #searchorder, aptdir, datadir, notfoundmsg, packagelookup, prefixchar, public, and relaychannel09:34
Seveas%config plugins.Encyclopedia.database09:34
SeveasLjL, supybot uses the global value if no channel valu was set for the channel09:35
Seveaspm being a channel :)09:35
LjLSeveas: hm that's what i tried earlier, but it didn't entirely seem to work09:36
Seveascode was buggy09:36
LjLno i mean "earlier" as in 2 minutes ago09:36
Seveasthen you are buggy :D09:36
LjLi'm just trying to upgrade to latest bzr, before now i was running a 6 months old version or somesuch09:36
LjLwith just some little patches of mine to make things like "|" and such work09:37
Seveasthn you'll need to redo some configuration09:37
Seveasand grab the latest db, I may have changed it in the last 6 months09:38
LjLoh the DB itself i upgraded many times09:38
LjLanyway it's working in single channels, i just can't get it to work globally09:38
Seveas%config channel plugins.Encyclopedia database09:38
Seveas%config channel plugins.Encyclopedia.database09:39
ubotu(config <name> [<value>] ) -- If <value> is given, sets the value of <name> to <value>. Otherwise, returns the current value of <name>. You may omit the leading "supybot." in the name if you so choose.09:39
LjLSeveas: nevermind, it's working now. it just needed a restart (though not so for the channel-specific version of the variable)09:39
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ompaul!no pt is Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.11:22
ubotuI'll remember that ompaul11:22
ubotupt is Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.11:23
nalioth #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk11:23
ompaulthat was mine11:24
naliothyes, you gave it away one day11:25
ompaulI am slow this evening11:26
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effie_jayxnalioth,  how many languages can you speak :O11:49
naliotheffie_jayx: a couple, why?11:49
PriceChildI thought you only spoke inglish?11:50
naliothPriceChild: yo hable quatro idiomas11:51
naliothand kant spell in any of them  :P11:51
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Meznalioth, kant? I thought you were a GNOME user?12:11

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