maxamillioncommunist_pope: still about choice ... i run Xubuntu on an Athlon64 X2 4600+, 2gb ddr2 ram, nvidia 7900gtx12:23
maxamillioncommunist_pope: and i have dual 21"HD widescreen monitors12:23
kalikianacommunist_pope, I am running xubuntu egdy on PIV,1G RAM,ATI 9800Pro 128MB ;)12:23
maxamillion(that's my work machine btw, i can't afford that kind of hardware)12:23
communist_popemaxamillion: it seems like it doesnt have enough resolution, if you get what i mean12:23
maxamillioncommunist_pope: resolution?12:24
Jester45communist_pope: its true you dont know much... ff resizes the image12:24
kalikianamaxamillion, If that were your personal hardware I would have had to kill you :P12:24
communist_popemaxamillion: like it looks like a too much enlarged digi photo, but the whole system12:24
maxamillioncommunist_pope: i am running dual monitors each at 1680x105012:24
communist_popeI was using it on a old laptop12:25
maxamillioncommunist_pope: not at all ....12:25
maxamillioncommunist_pope: here is a screenshot of my home machine ... http://www.swooh.com/~adam/homeXubuntuEdgy.png12:25
maxamillioncommunist_pope: here is my work machine (with my old monitors and running beryl, my new monitors run at much higher resolution) .. http://www.swooh.com/~adam/berylGears.png12:26
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communist_popeIt seems my laptop has more resolution than the newer crt12:26
Jester45maxamillion: i dont like your desktop12:26
maxamillionJester45: which one?12:27
Jester45i got 2400x somthing12:27
Jester45first one12:27
maxamillionJester45: why not?12:27
maxamillionJester45: that's my home machine ... only have a 19" widescreen ... wish i could afford dual at home, but i'm broke ... even had to ask for that monitor for x-mas, i had a 15-inch before that12:28
maxamillionJester45: what don't you like about it?12:29
SharnJester45, you put your site down. xD12:30
SharnI've used that template before, ROFL12:30
SharnYou took the copyrights off it. xD12:31
SharnEveryone's leaving. ;(12:38
SharnJester45: Why not just install LAMP? That'll give you PHP12:41
irvinSharn, what's up?12:41
SharnNothing. :O12:41
SharnNevermind.. I thought it was an easy all-in-one install and work thing.12:44
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rahmetliis there an easy way of adding app. icons to the panel?12:50
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CybaneHello all12:50
kalikianahi, cybane :)12:53
Sharnrahmetli: Not that I've found, unfortunately.12:53
SharnAnd hello Cybane12:53
kalikianarahmetli, just right-click the panel and add a launcher?12:53
kalikianarahmetli, or use the application finder and drag an icon12:54
rahmetlisecond seems to be easier.12:54
CybaneAnyone know what port what the touchpad communicated on for iBook G4?12:54
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SharnJester45: You still looking into PHP?12:57
rahmetlii cant drag an icon :(12:57
SharnI know, tht's annoying, huh?12:57
kalikianarahmetli, Drag it into the 'new launcher' window :)12:59
kalikianaI guess it's not intuitive at all *fg12:59
rahmetlii got it01:00
CybaneIs there a point to use Xubuntu over Ubuntu if you are just going to use FVWM anyway?01:01
kalikianaCybane, That's a weird question. I suppose using the server install would be more reasonable.01:02
rahmetlii can use kde programs,can i?01:02
kalikianarahmetli, if you don't mind the overhead, yes01:03
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rahmetliso i can run knemo?01:06
kalikianarahmetli, I suppose you can, I don't know that one. Only had Opera for a while.01:08
irvinrahmetli, you can use an alternative tho01:08
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CybaneFrom what I understood the only difference between the two is a different X11 WM01:09
CybaneI was wondering if there were any other major differences like packages that do not get installed01:09
rahmetlithank you all for the help.i will be here again if i have questions :)01:15
rahmetlic u01:15
gunny01I'm having problems with synaptic: none of the packages are displaying, and I'm not sure how to get them back. Screenshot: http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=392454518&size=o01:19
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ephemerosgunny01: make a search01:22
Sharngunny01: you may have erased your sources.list01:22
SharnActually, lemme check the screenie.01:22
SharnYeah - that's what it looks like.01:22
ubotuThe packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource01:23
gunny01How do I get it back?01:26
gunny01is there anywhere i can get a copy?01:29
kalikiana!EasySource | gunny0101:30
ubotugunny01: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic01:30
Jester45Sharn: im not looking for php01:35
gunny01kalikiana: where do I put my new sources.list01:36
Jester45its /etc/apt/ i think01:37
kalikianayep, /etc/apt/sources.list it is, gunny01 :)01:38
gunny01just refreshing synaptic: hopefully it'll work01:42
gunny01Umm...it didn't work/01:44
Jester45in a terminal sudo apt-get reload01:44
Jester45you have to close synaptic first01:45
gunny01Got an error: tom@bt-homemade-linux:~$ sudo apt-get reload01:47
gunny01E: Invalid operation reload01:47
Jester45your above words messed me up01:47
Jester45its update01:47
Jester45dont know how i got mixed up01:47
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gunny01no good.01:52
irvingunny01, what's the problem?01:54
gunny01I'm having problems with synaptic: none of the packages are displaying, and I'm not sure how to get them back. Screenshot: http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=392454518&size=o01:55
Sharnsudo apt-get update01:55
SharnDoesn't do it?01:56
gunny01I try a commandline apt-get01:56
SharnWhat did you do since it stopped working?01:58
gunny01What do you mean?01:58
SharnAnd are you sure you put the new sources.list there?01:58
SharnWhat mgiht you have done to break it...01:58
Jester45ok well im going01:58
SharnLater Jester4501:59
gunny01No idea: I installed Automatix, but that was ages ago and synaptic just stopped working01:59
SharnYou haven't messed with ANY files?01:59
Jester45Sharn: IF CELLO COMES PLelase tell him i said Hello!!!01:59
SharnRofl, mmk01:59
kalikianaciao Jeser45 :)02:00
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gunny01Hang on:02:01
gunny01I got this message after a command apt-get: E: The package virtualbox needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.02:01
ubotuVirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. Packages for Ubuntu are provided by the makers at http://www.virtualbox.org/ - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox02:03
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irvindo you use that app?02:04
irvinhey somerville3202:04
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somerville32Hi irvin02:04
irvingunny01, do you use virtualbox?02:05
gunny01irvin: tryed to install it: it didn't work02:05
gunny01answe above02:05
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rmd_i want to define a custom thunar action to convert .flv to .mpg using ffmpeg.. but i can't quite figure out how to get it to work.  how to i make the output file have a different extention?02:06
PuMpErNiCkElYou can use dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq [packagename]  to get rid of virtualbox, which seems to be breaking apt.02:08
gunny01So dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq virtualbox02:11
PuMpErNiCkElIf that's the package name, yes.02:11
gunny01do it as sudo?02:11
PuMpErNiCkElOf course.02:12
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gunny01pumpernickel: got this error: http://pastebin.ca/35975402:21
gunny01and apt-get and synaptic are still not working02:26
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rmd_i'm trying to setup a custom action that converts flv to mpeg using ffmpeg.. but i cant quite figure out how to configure the action to chnage the file extension to for the output file entry02:30
PuMpErNiCkElWow, that install really was messed up.02:31
gunny01Talk about it.02:31
PuMpErNiCkElWas that supposed to be an Ubuntu package?02:32
PuMpErNiCkElIf it was, they fail.02:32
PuMpErNiCkElMessed up kernel module, messed up groups, messed up initscript...02:33
gunny01Anyway to fix it?02:34
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PuMpErNiCkElEasily?  Probably not.  I'd file a bug report and get the devs to handle it.02:36
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gunny01PuMpErNiCkEl: what do you mean?02:40
PuMpErNiCkElMake the people who produced that messed up package fix it.02:41
gunny01PuMpErNiCkEl: how?02:45
PuMpErNiCkElBy filing a bug report.02:47
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CybaneAnyone else have an iBook?02:58
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grazieCybane: don't get that many Mac users on the channel03:06
CybaneI figured03:06
CybaneJust trying to find out a way to mute the start up sound from Open Firmware03:06
grazieCybane: Open Firmware interface isn't very friendly is it?03:07
grazieCybane: might not be possible as the startup sounds at pretty important on a Mac...but I don't know03:09
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CybaneWell the sound is on the ROM03:11
CybaneIf you are using OSX you can mute the sound03:12
CybaneNow I just need to find a Debian verison of that03:12
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CybaneHAHAHA I found it03:17
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bigfuzzyjesushey i reinstalled a ubuntu on a machine i have previously ssh'd into and now it says that REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED, how do i change it back :'(03:53
gunny01 PuMpErNiCkEl: I think I might have to reinstall03:53
Jester45bigfuzzyjesus: i think that means your ip changed03:53
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graziebigfuzzyjesus:edit ~/.ssh/known_hosts03:55
graziebigfuzzyjesus: remove the key for the ip that's giving problems ... another will be created03:55
cellofellowbigfuzzyjesus: that means that the SSH server has generated a new ID key. It's no biggy, just change your cached version.03:58
cellofellowit USUALLY doesn't do that, 'cept when you reinstall SSH (or the OS)03:59
bigfuzzyjesusand how do i get the ssh server to start at boot03:59
Jester45cellofellow: did shane tell you what i told him to say to you?03:59
cellofellowum, no04:00
Jester45ok it was: Hello!04:00
cellofellowwell, hello 2 u 2.04:00
bigfuzzyjesuscellofellow, how do i get the ssh server to start at boot04:01
Jester45settings -> autostarted applications04:01
cellofellowbigfuzzyjesus: use sysv-rc-conf to set it to run in runlevels 234504:01
Jester45or that04:01
cellofellowJester45: daemons need to run with init.04:01
somerville32autostarted applications are for desktop applications04:03
somerville32You want an rc script04:03
cellofellowit's there, you just have to set it04:03
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cellofellowwell, nighty night04:04
Jester45i had a question04:06
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Jester45can you make a menu with only html? or html + css ?04:07
Jester45a menu that i just add the name and link04:07
kalikianasure, but html would be pretty ugly :P04:08
Jester45right now i have .jpg with a link if you click04:08
Jester45not the best way to add things04:08
kalikianaimho pure css is always better than images04:09
Jester45and i see a lot of dhtml menu howtos04:09
kalikianayou might pick an example from e.g. cssplay.co.uk if you want04:09
Jester45and they say you need javascript so would that mean i need to add anything special to apache?04:10
kalikianai would not use any javascript if possible04:10
kalikianaJester45, apache doesn't have anything to do with that at all, it's only the browser04:10
Jester45just wondering04:10
Jester45a got a weak server computer to run my site04:11
Jester45and i dont wanna add much more to it04:11
kalikianaJester45, look at these http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menus/index.html04:11
kalikianaif you put css in a file it's only loaded once and it's usually less traffic than images04:12
Jester45i know about css but the javascript04:12
kalikianaJester45, you don't need any04:13
Jester45im looking around ccplay04:13
kalikianajust look through the examples, there are many without javascript04:13
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Jester45kalikiana: would you like to explain the xhtml? should i just add my html code?04:25
Jester45or add the xhtml to the regular html04:26
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Jester45is my choice04:26
kalikianaJester45, there should be minor differences, i'll look...04:26
kalikianaJester45, no difference, that will pass as html4 just fine :)04:28
Jester45so paSTE it at the top?04:28
kalikianaJester45, yes, insert it anywhere in the body, just where you like04:29
kalikianaJester45, but a) put the css in a second file04:29
kalikianaJester45, and b) looks like it uses a hack which won't work in ie7 anymore04:29
Jester45i have a css sheet for the styles can i just all their css to it04:29
Jester45i dont care04:29
kalikianai think so04:30
Jester45i have ff on usb04:30
kalikianaok, if ie doesn't matter you can actually strip the css blocks beginning with * html04:30
kalikianasaves you some traffic04:31
Jester45doesnt look right04:32
Jester45didnt link css04:32
Jester45ok its working now04:33
Jester45just have to fine tune it04:34
kalikianalooks good for a start :)04:34
Jester45thats my old one04:36
Jester45just ot play with04:36
Jester45try without the /index*04:37
Jester45the logo is messed up but im working on that at school04:37
Jester45can i make the xhtml in a 2nd file?04:38
Jester45its kinda messing up my html and would be better becuase all the pages would loook the same04:39
kalikianaJester45, the menu code is fine html404:39
Jester45yes but its ugly in my editor04:39
Jester45its a page long04:40
kalikianayou can really optimize by using only tiny images for the menu background04:40
kalikianajust remove some line breaks after the </span> tags04:41
kalikianaor do <span class="lk">link</span> in one line04:41
Jester45i like bash script better04:42
Jester45its cleaner04:42
kalikianaJester45, i can agree here - i'd say you can't really compare script and markup04:44
Jester45i can04:44
Jester45really wish cellofellow would make my site for me04:44
Jester45i dont mind scripting because it lets you see it as you create and its more usefull04:46
Jester45i wish i could find a nice gui html maker04:46
Jester45be like a paint program but with no brushes04:46
Jester45many of the ones i tried have a graph like placement04:47
kalikianaarg, gui html is...... nothing good in my opinion. :/04:47
kalikianai think it's just a matter of being used to it.04:48
kalikianayou can of course use a color picker and code at the same time.04:48
kalikianaI'll make some food now, ciao!04:56
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_DezHai guys05:30
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kalikiana_Dez, hi05:31
_DezWhats up05:32
Jester45did that send?05:34
kalikianayummy chicken in the oven :P05:34
Jester45guess not05:35
Jester45if you read the comments you get to Worth arguing? (neutral), well i have the same idea why not combine them as an example: Azureus, works nice "out-of-the-box" but you can customize it much more but as not to overwhelm a new comer to torrenting there is 3 levels of options basic, intermediate, and advance. Basic is just that the basic things like ports and where to save data05:35
Jester45, intermediate is more advance but still mostly just about making rules on how much of what how long if this then this and etc, and the advance is advance its includes the MaximumLineTransmissionUnit and other advance things. now think of this your new you don't know what a port is and you get slapped with 10,000 options and you don't understand any of them05:35
Jester45so you decide aa this is to much i'm gonna use the default or a different client... as you can guess this itsnt the best thing to do and becuase there are so many options they dont know where to start now think of this example as in KDE and GNOME. GNOME is a simpler and05:35
Jester45more easily used by new users and is customizeable but its hard unless you can add code to it and thats like going from basic -> advance. On the otherhand, KDE has many options they are fine defaults but users would love to have "just so" but they arenot sure where to start. as for GNOME this is harder to make but for KDE they could do what az has done have layers of options so you can say... i dont know much about networking so im05:36
Jester45i typed to much :)05:36
kalikianawow, a strict op might feel the urge to ban you now ;)05:37
Jester45i typed all that05:37
Jester45didnt think it was that much05:37
Jester45and irc so no!!! to much05:38
Jester45thats my standpoint on GNOME vs KDE05:38
Jester45i should CC that :) allmost a book05:38
kalikianawould fit nicely on a blog in case you have one...05:39
Jester45i tried05:39
kalikianaimho kde's amount of settings is really overwhelming05:39
Jester45but i dont wanna run sql on the old machine05:39
Jester45thats why the settings levels would be nice05:39
Jester45and it wouldnt be that hard to code for somone that know how05:40
kalikianayeah, if it is done right the levels sound nice05:40
Jester45just a little bit like {type}[level] 05:40
Jester45or something05:40
kalikianahonestly I don't think that most coders out there know/care enough about usability05:40
kalikianaand linus did an amazing action to prove that :D05:41
Jester45it wouldnt be hard just a lot of word05:41
kalikiananot hard, but one would have to *care* about that05:41
Jester45and it would be a simple tree like thing05:42
Jester45you could set the whole system to a level or just a part of it05:42
kalikianait's rather a matter of thinking than coding. although i'm not sure if that should be done system-wide.05:42
kalikianai wouldn't like to have five difficultiy levels for mousepad :P05:43
Jester45like a level1 display could be color and a theme or somthing of the like05:43
Jester45the people that make it would onyl add lvl 2 or 1 things05:43
Jester45depending on how hard they think it should be05:43
Jester451 being brand new users05:43
kalikianayeah, the themes dialog could use some 'go advanced' button imo05:44
kalikianayou can't even change single colors05:44
Jester45well even with that its only 2 levels basicand advance05:44
kalikianafor the themes dialog two or three levels might suffice05:44
Jester45but a system wide thing could be hard to implement05:45
kalikianathe torrent application with five levels is more reasonable05:45
Jester45and the good thing about it is that you could catigorize it05:45
Jester45like my self i know lots about torrents but not much about display05:45
kalikianasystem-wide is not nessessary at all, especially if you have a different number of levels05:45
Jester45i find az lacking in default options as in the advance options05:46
Jester45thats the one problem05:46
Jester45a system wide would make porting harder and many programers might make the lvl 3 options a lvl 1 so the users think it has more options05:47
Jester45and building from source  would be diffrent becuase a kubuntu install is diffrent from others05:48
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kalikianaas long as settings dialogs share common semantics you don't need a system-specific settings interface05:48
Jester45its just a thought05:48
kalikianathe latter is part of what makes kde bloated to me05:48
Jester45and i think that gnome would have a hard time05:48
Jester45they would 1) make the options 2) make the levels05:49
kalikiananot sure what you mean.. imho a tight system integration is rather bad05:50
kalikianayou can see that with many gtk apps being gnome-dependant although they shouldn'T be05:51
Jester45well have a --level-off option05:51
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jdrakeHas anyone ever ran xubuntu straight off of a CF card? What might be required to do such a thing without having a harddrive? (how much memory and such)05:52
Jester45not that much the same as a live cd or even less05:53
Jester45i would say 100mb of ram would run it05:53
Jester45128 would be nice and 256 would be useable05:53
_Dezor even less then that05:53
_DezIve ran xubuntu off a CF Card in my Nano-ITX Box05:54
_Dez1Ghz 64Mb of ram05:54
Jester45i think under a 100 starts becoming slow if its a gui05:54
Jester45no java im guessing :)05:54
jdrakeI am just thinking about a future system :p05:55
jdrakeMy idea would be at least 512mb of ram, probably 1GB. The CF would be unknown. But ideally, I would want something that could essentially run without much writing. Obviously no swap.05:56
_Dezno swap would be great05:56
_Dezi run no swap on this box05:56
jdrakeI would think any flash could be killed eventually if it was for swap purposes.05:57
_Dez1.13Ghz,1GB Ram, 30GB 5200RPM,blahblah05:57
jdrakeI would like to see intel put out a decent chip that uses little power, and combine it with a gpu that is similarily light05:57
jdrakeI have definitely grown attached to xfce05:57
jdrakeI need a good music program though, banshee is a little heavyt05:58
kalikianai have 1gb ram, no swap at all, should even work for 512mb i guess05:58
_Dezi love xfce and blackbox05:58
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kalikianasince my usual ram usage is under 400mb05:58
jdrakebanshee runs 15 to 30% cpu to decode an mp305:58
jdrake10% memory05:58
_Dezmy ram usage never gets higher then 400 too05:59
jdrakeMem:   1034648k total,   822868k used,   211780k free,   130548k buffers05:59
_DezCPU Goes up down up down05:59
jdrakeSwap:  1453808k total,        0k used,  1453808k free,   395416k cached05:59
jdrakeCF might have problems here though: /dev/md0              total 111G  used 5.6G   free 99G   used 6% /06:00
kalikianahonestly, I wonder why I was happy when I got 1gb ram for the price of 512mb :P06:00
_Dezhow do i get specs like that jdrake?06:00
jdrake_Dez, $600 or so06:00
_Dezno i ment in terminal06:01
jdrakedf -h06:01
jdrakebut i added 'total', 'used', etc.06:01
jdrakeTo save a line06:01
kalikianaso $600 including formatting by jdrake :P06:01
jdrakeNo, if I were doing it, $800 + shipping06:01
jdrakeThis thing cost me $1200 including monitor about 2 years ago06:02
jdrakeI expect to at least use it for another 3 years, possibly 5.06:02
_DezIm the Tech Admin at school and i run 2 21" Dell monitors as mains06:02
_Dezand ive put in a request for another one06:02
jdrakeMy workflow has evolved to exclude windows (its still around somewhere)06:02
_DezWe have to run Winblows 2003 or XP SP206:03
jdrakePretty much gnuplot, openoffice, and latex will be introduced this week for labs.06:03
jdrakegnuplot is very good06:03
jdrakeLooks more distinctive than excel.06:03
_Dezi just installed MSWord 2007 on about 300 computers06:03
jdrakeI would like to see a good set of designed applications that DO NOT require menu bars.06:04
_DezAnd I dont think our school is 100% Legit06:04
_DezI hate not having Menu bars06:04
Jester45Mem:   2136648k total,   143847k used,   1992801k free,   189548k buffers06:04
_Dezlike when i use gimp06:04
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jdrakemenus are for restaurants :p06:04
jdrakegimp has menu bars06:04
_Dezand turbos are for diesels06:04
jdrakeI don't object to context menus :p06:05
_Dezlater guys girlfriend awaits06:05
jdrakeBut other menu styles are possibly better, such as radial menus06:05
_Dezits late06:05
_Dezi might be back when she falls asleep06:05
jdrake=========== by06:05
Jester45i gonna play some games06:06
kalikianaI'm gonna eat now :)06:07
jdrakeIts almost bed time here, but I must input some data into openoffice's calc, the first step of my work flow06:07
jdrakeHey guys, any nice background sites with amazing nature pictures? (1280x1024)06:08
Jester45jdrake: i got some larger ones06:08
Jester45you want?06:08
jdrakesure, I can always resize if needed.06:09
Jester45it will be resized to fix your screen06:09
Jester45you mean for xubuntu right?06:09
jdrakeDoes it do that resizing once or every redraw?06:10
jdrake(just checking...)06:10
Jester45never noticed06:10
Jester45i think once one boot06:10
Jester45wait a sec b4 downloading06:11
Jester45not sure if its done compressing06:12
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jdrakewaiting :p06:12
Jester45they are large pictures06:13
jdrakeoh yes, how can I change the theme in openoffice to match xfce?06:13
Jester45you can look at one of my Valentine's Day gifts06:13
jdraketell me when completed :p, then I will start06:14
Jester45girl friend was surprised becuase its like 10 below zero06:15
Jester45Fahrenheit that is06:15
jdrake10 below?06:15
jdrakeIt has been regularly 10 below around here :p06:15
jdrakewind chill of about -20 at times06:15
Jester45idk where that is06:16
Jester45but its was funny becuase i got her parents to tape a peice of paper on her door06:16
jdrakeacross from port huron which is just an hour north of detroit.06:16
Jester45told her to look outside06:16
jdrakenice :p06:16
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Moniker42hey i'm running edgy ubuntu - i've just installed xfce how do i switch to that environment?06:17
Jester45logout then pick xfce session06:17
Jester45ok its done06:17
jdrakeSo where are you right now?06:18
Jester45missouri like 900 miles south of you06:18
Jester45i did that at like 4 in the morning06:18
jdrakeDo you live in the country?06:19
Jester45im 16 so yea... i think its pretty funny06:19
jdrakeYou are just a young man then :p06:19
Jester45dont have cable internet06:20
Moniker42thanks Jester4506:20
Moniker42working now06:20
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Jester45jdrake: yea thats why she was supprized then i drove her to school like normal and gave her a little bear that sings a sing and jumps up and down06:21
Jester45your welcome06:21
Jester45or not06:21
Jester45sorry i dont have faster internet06:21
Jester45parents will not pay for more06:22
icicledspam people and make money :P06:22
icicledyour 16, it's ok06:22
icicledjust a minor06:22
jdrakespam people on dialup?06:22
icicledget hold of a few computers then create a botnet06:23
jdrakeJester45, have you heard of my friend + + + A T H 0?06:23
jdrakeyou should try it (without spaces) :p06:23
jdrakethat is a 0 at the end :p06:24
jdrakeicicled, did I just date myself?06:24
icicledjdrake, you are evil06:24
jdrakeyes I am06:24
icicleddate yourself?06:25
Jester45+++ATH0 dont kil me ChanServ06:25
Jester45thats fun06:25
jdrakeicicled, let it be known how old I am06:25
icicledhow old are you?06:25
icicledi'm 2106:25
icicledgo figure06:25
icicledJester45, http://www.securityspace.com/smysecure/catid.html?id=1002006:26
jdrakeThere is a way you can ping somebody with that encoded in the message that is pinged back, so that when the computer replies, they hang up the modem all by themselves :p06:26
icicledhttp://www.ath0.org/ --> wtf?06:26
jdrakei notice the 'stileproject' in the bottom right06:27
Jester45to bad i dont have dailup06:27
icicledjdrake, yes, you're very observant06:27
icicledgood job06:27
jdrakeI am waiting for my own domain to transfer away from godaddy06:29
Jester45like mine?06:30
jdrakehmm, why would xfmedia installation require the removal of 233 other packages (that are basically desktop ones)06:30
icicledno idea06:31
Jester45try it06:31
PuMpErNiCkElDependency conflict, probably.06:31
jdrakeHave you guys ever tried bastet? (game)06:31
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jdrakeoh, aptitude thinks they are unused06:32
jdrakestupid thing06:32
Jester45mark them as used06:33
jdrakeIs there a simple way to mark everything installed as used?06:33
Jester45mark *06:33
Jester45jdrake: whats your dl %06:34
jdrake17% (9mb)06:34
jdrake75 Kbps06:35
Jester45o well06:35
Jester45bytes or bits06:35
icicledi have06:35
icicledtried bastet that is06:35
jdrakesmall b is always bits, B is bytes06:36
icicledits also evil06:36
jdrakethat is why they call it Bastard Tetris :p06:36
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jdrakeSo Jester45, what do you plan on doing? It sounds like you should be finished Secondary School soon, and if your wish to go get some tertiary education.06:38
Jester45well jdrake could you tell me when the dl has about 5 min left?06:38
jdrakeThat is in approximately 1 hour06:38
jdrakeI am honestly not planning on staying up that long06:39
jdrakeNor would I keep this thing on that long, power costs money and all.06:39
Jester45nice pictures06:39
Jester45HD pics06:39
jdrakeYou seem to be overly concerned with their resolution06:40
Jester45i ahte low res background pics06:41
jdrakeDo you have something that can actually display it?06:41
Jester45my moniter06:41
jdrakeWhat kind of beast do you have?06:41
Jester45i bet my tv can also06:42
jdrakenot likely06:42
Jester45wide screen lcd06:42
Jester4542inch i think06:42
jdrakeThe pixel density is probably horrible06:43
jdrake1080i is probably the best it can do06:43
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jdrakeEither way, it would be overkill06:44
Jester45well i dont use it much06:45
jdrakeI will never likely buy a beast like that myself06:45
jdrakeA little too much opportunity cost to it06:45
Jester45i wont06:45
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jdrakeI haven't been noticing as many updates that I was noticing with gnome.06:49
reklipz_hey guys, i asked this in the #ubuntu channel, but I'm wondering if ill notice any speed increase when switching from ubuntu to xubuntu on my 1.4GHz centrino with 128MB PC2700 DDRRAM06:49
jdrakereklipz_, chances are 'yes', but you would get more benefit from more ram, 128mb is really too low.06:49
Jester45yes i agree06:50
reklipz_jdrake, ya, but DDR for a lappy is really expensive, and is prolly worth more than i bought the laptop for06:50
jdrakereklipz_, what is the model number of the laptop and brand?06:50
Jester45gnome uses much more ram than xfce but you woudl get the most speed from a littlre more ram06:50
reklipz_i was running beryl, but took that off and noticed a bit of an increase when creating windows06:50
reklipz_jdrake, its a Gateway 200ARC06:51
jdrake512mb should be $54, presuming this is right model06:52
Cybanethis is disheartening Ubuntu is going to drop PPC as an offical release06:53
jdrakeCybane, why is that?06:53
jdrakeThere is no mass market anymore and limited number of users have it now.06:54
jdrakeThere is nothing stopping somebody from stepping up to the plate to provide it06:54
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Jester45i think its because ppc is harder and has more problems06:54
PuMpErNiCkElThey are providing it.  They're just not providing support.06:54
reklipz_jdrake, sorry, battery died06:55
CybaneI do not know why they are going to drop it just read about it06:55
jdrake512mb should be $54, presuming this is right model06:55
reklipz_its a Gateway 200ARC06:55
PuMpErNiCkElThey're only dropping commercial support.06:55
jdrakeWhich makes it a non-issue anyways06:55
reklipz_well, ive got a desktop with a 1.4GHz p4 and 512MB ram, and it handles ubuntu with compiz like a breeze06:56
CybaneThe only reason why I can see them doing that is because apple went the way of x86 arch06:56
jdrakeReKlipz, your laptop will not do as well.06:56
reklipz_you think ill get the same performance?06:56
PuMpErNiCkElI'd say it's more because no one was buying support anyway.06:56
jdrakeYou will get better mind you06:56
jdrake128mb to 512mb that i did many years ago was a load of difference06:56
reklipz_well, im supposedly getting a new laptop with my scholarship, so i may wait until then to upgrade, but in the meantime, xubuntu is still a good idea?06:57
jdrakeBut in the shortterm, installing xubuntu is a great idea06:57
reklipz_thanks alot for that link btw, really appreciate it06:57
jdrakeno problem06:57
reklipz_jdrake, will i get better results if i download the install cd for xubuntu, or would apt-getting xubuntu-desktop have the same effect?06:58
jdrakeSame thing06:58
reklipz_like, would apt-get leave some nasties from ubuntu behind?06:58
jdrakeUse aptitude though instead of apt-get06:58
jdrakeThere should be nothing wrong with them both being there06:58
reklipz_and how would i get rid of those nasties though?06:59
Jester45jdrake: it runs a LITTLE slower06:59
reklipz_or is it just ubuntu-desktop06:59
jdrakeMake sure you install a2ps though, xfprint requires it06:59
Jester45just make sure you turn off all gnome libs at startup06:59
reklipz_Jester45, how do i make sure of that?06:59
Jester45app2 print system?06:59
Jester45settings --> sessions and start up07:00
Jester45then advance tab07:00
jdrakeReKlipz, theoretically if you aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop, it should notice everything else was installed as a dependancy and try to remove it (with a prompt)07:01
reklipz_jdrake, k gonna do that now07:01
reklipz_if im not back soon, take me for dead07:01
reklipz_promise me, ok?07:01
jdrakeYou are already dead,07:01
jdrakeTake back your life when you finish battle07:02
reklipz_dig it07:02
jdrakeInstall irssi :p07:02
reklipz_back in a few07:02
jdrakethen connect in a terminal07:02
reklipz_but i wanan be dead!07:02
reklipz_k, im out07:02
reklipz_back later07:02
jdrakeI won't be :p07:02
jdrakehmm, for the last two days, clicking a drive icon on the desktop does not bring up the folder07:03
jdrakeIt seems I can un mount it then it works properly07:04
jdrakexfmedia uses a fraction of the cpu that banshee does07:31
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jdrakeJester45, it is done07:43
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radioaktivstormhello, my panels just died,a situation ive never encountered before. how do i turn them back on? im running the gnome panel for right now.08:32
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TamplerHi, all! :)08:57
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blizzhey there10:55
blizzany drawbacks when installing an amd64 installation? like, unavailable binary ports?10:56
blizzhad that problem with other distros10:56
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sm0k3dhey guys11:12
sm0k3di just installed xubuntu and i am very new to linux, i literally have try for a hour to install realvnc, can any1 help me?11:13
Aryonsm0k3d: Open terminal and write "sudo apt-get install realvnc"11:19
irvinis there a realvnc package?11:19
AryonNo idea.11:20
ubotuVNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX11:20
ubotuFreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX11:20
Aryonsm0k3d: Forget what I just said.11:21
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blizzis there any drawback between installing herd 2 + upgrading all packages and installing herd 4?11:37
blizzwoot. i mean.. is there a drawback when installing herd 2 + upgrading instead of installing herd 411:37
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Blais1ho all12:46
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Blais1I'm having trouble setting up my compuiter for a widescreen TFT12:46
Blais1display settings doesn't have the correct values, is there a way I can set them myself?12:46
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psb154Blais1 you could edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf that might do it.12:48
Blais1I can edit it12:49
Blais1but I think I'm displaying at the wrong refresh rate for my res12:50
Blais1is there a command to test my current display settings?12:51
psb154Blais1, well... you can edit the file with: sudo <your favorite editor> /etc...12:51
Blais1I have entered factory settings, but I get incredible font-blur12:51
Blais1under section monitor I have vert-Refresh 56-7512:52
Blais1but I want it to display at 60hz for my current res of 1680x105012:52
psb154Blais1, you will get blurry effects if you don't use the optimum res for your flat screen.12:52
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Blais1optimum res is meant to be 1680x1050, perhaps it's not being used then?12:53
Blais1how can I test this?12:53
psb154Blais1, you could: man xorg.conf12:53
Blais1ok thansk12:54
grazieBlais1: did you sort your other problem?12:59
Blais1I can now connect through my wireless12:59
Blais1which is very useful12:59
Blais1but Opera and Firefox still creash01:00
grazieBlais1: ram was good?01:00
Blais1I haven't tried uninstalling FF yet, I will try but I want to set up my monitor properly first01:00
Blais1yes it all seemed fine01:00
Blais1hmm if I want to remove firefox I have to remove xubuntu-dektop!?01:02
grazieBlais1: it's a meta package dependancy...removing it will be ok. if you then get additional packages though, come back and ask!01:03
graziegrazie: not hopefull that will solve your problem though01:04
Blais1nope it didn't help anything01:07
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pampai already had installed a console based xubuntu in my notebook02:13
pampanow i would like to install xfce02:13
hyper_chpampa: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop02:13
pampaok, i'll try02:14
hyper_chwhy didn't you directly install xubuntu?02:14
pampai have tryed sudo apt-get install xfce4-panel02:14
tonyb2006when I made a .desktop launcher for thunderbird, when I click it it just opens the .desktop files in a text editor02:14
pampabut it ask me for the cdrom...02:14
hyper_chbetter to use sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop02:14
hyper_chpampa: ok, we will need to cancel out the cd repository02:15
hyper_chpampa: you know how to get along in the command line interface?02:15
tonyb2006and if you understand "comment out the line that has CD in it in /etc/apt/sources.list" do it02:15
pampahyper_ch, because every time i try to install directly xubuntu it just freezes on configuring anthy or something like that...02:15
hyper_chpampa: did you use the live-cd?02:15
pampahyper_ch, almost02:15
pampai have the feisty fawn herd 202:16
hyper_chpampa: better to try the alternate... is there an alternate cd for feisty?02:16
pampabut i installed just the base system because of that tilt with the normal install02:16
hyper_chtonyb2006: why a launcher on the desktop?02:16
pampabut if it's necesary i will download it02:16
tonyb2006hyper_ch: Because its for someone that doesnt understand compys totally02:17
hyper_chtonyb2006: why not in the bar?02:17
pampahyper_ch, but, i have an internet connection working in xubuntu now...02:17
tonyb2006because they want it on the desktop? :\02:17
hyper_chtonyb2006: never done that on a desktop... I have my top and bottom bar :)02:17
pampahyper_ch, could i just change the repository to download it from the internet and not from cd?02:18
hyper_chpampa: there are alternate downloads for feisty02:18
hyper_chpampa: the xubuntu-desktop will not be exactely the same as if you use a complete xubuntu gui install02:18
hyper_chand I think you may want to use herd-4 instead of herd202:18
hyper_chpampa: I'd recommend this:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/herd-4/feisty-alternate-i386.iso02:19
hyper_chbut if you want to have the desktop installed then we can alter your repository02:19
pampaso, youre tellinme to download the alternate feisty fawn herd 2 and try installing the full with that one?02:19
hyper_chpampa: no, telling you to use herd-4 alternate :)02:19
hyper_chpampa: the live cd has sometimes problems installing properly... for isntallation the alternate cd is better in my opinion02:20
pampai forgot that i already have the alternate herd 3....02:20
hyper_chpampa: so I recommend getting the latest release (of feisty) which is herd 4 and try the desktop install from the alternate cd02:20
pampai have downloaded the alternate because of my lowram system config02:21
hyper_chwhy do you want to use feisty and not edgy?02:21
pampai have just 64mb...02:21
hyper_choh, 64mb02:21
hyper_chit'll be slow02:21
pampayeah? you think?02:21
pampalast night i've tryied DSL and it worked pretty fast!02:22
hyper_chI tend to think so02:22
hyper_chxubuntu is bloat compared to dsl02:22
hyper_chhowever it's lightweight compared to gnome/kde02:22
pampamy notebook has 6gb disk, so there's no prob with swap file02:22
hyper_chwhat processor have you got?02:22
pampaanyway, in several days i plan to upgrade it's ram to 128 at leats...02:23
pampaceleron coppermine 500mhz02:23
hyper_chok, that will improve speed a lot :)02:23
hyper_chthe 128mb02:23
hyper_chwell, if you want to use feisty then go for herd402:23
hyper_chand I did install xubuntu edgy once on a 64mb system with a 240mhz processor02:24
pampaare you tellinme that herd4 would install just right in my system???02:24
hyper_chit took a long time to get it installed02:24
hyper_chHerd 4 Alternate:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/herd-4/feisty-alternate-i386.iso02:24
hyper_chpampa: well, I don't see a reason why it shouldn't install02:25
hyper_chpampa: install will take a long time02:25
hyper_chpampa: you will have to be patient... 64mb just isn't much to work with02:25
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hyper_chanother thing I recommend is to have at least 2-3 CD-RW with 700mb available :)02:26
pampabut herd3 was freezed about 2 hours in the same position two times...02:26
hyper_chso you don't keep wasting CD-Rs for all of that :)02:27
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hyper_chpampa: might be a problem with herd302:27
hyper_chI don't know for sure02:27
pampayou think? ok, let's try with herd402:27
pampai'm downloading02:27
hyper_chwell, the one time I installed edgy on that notebook I did let it install during the night02:28
hyper_chI can't tell how long it took02:28
pampasorry 'bout my english, i'm from Argentina :P02:28
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hyper_chhablas ingles muy bien02:28
pampahyper_ch, ok, i will let herd4 took all the time he wants...02:28
pampatu crees?02:29
hyper_chpampa: well, I just let it do it over night :)02:29
hyper_chsi :) hablo espaol solamente un poquito02:29
hyper_chyeah, the little pieces I know in spanish are also mixed with italian :)=02:30
pampahyper_ch, hahaha!02:31
hyper_chsolamente --> italian and not spanish... but the spanish one would be somewhat close or I think you understood what I meant to say02:32
pampawell, i would really like to learn italian, it's easier for me because this two languages are pretty similar...02:32
pampasolamente est bien dicho, i think!02:32
hyper_chpampa: because they are so close to each other it makes it hard for me to distinguish them as neither is mother language02:32
pampaslo, solamente, es lo mismo en espaol02:33
hyper_chI like languages :)02:33
pampain europe there's a lot of languages in very close distances!02:34
hyper_chand of course my french and latin helps also with italian and spanish :)02:34
hyper_chand even with the same language, especially in German, there's the "problem" of the dialects :)02:34
hyper_chmost germans won't understand at first when I talk in my dialect02:34
pampame too, that's why i would really love to live in europe! to learn alot of languages02:35
hyper_chbtw, you're up early on a saturday :)02:35
pampai haven't sleept02:35
hyper_chwell, you konw english and with your spanish background it shouldn't be all to hard to adapt to italian and a bit harder to french and portuguese02:36
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pampayeah, the secret is that you have to pay attention, you have to love learning other languages...02:37
hyper_chwell, I have never been good at learning languages at school... but I like to communicate with people and for me it was much better speaking to people02:38
pampathat's it02:38
hyper_chyou see I learned a bit of spanish while I did an exchange year in Australia... many of the other exchange students were from South America02:38
pampathe matter is to communicate02:38
pampaoooh look at that!02:39
hyper_chespecially I loved the spanish of Daniela Maria Claudia Prada... she is Columbian... I think she had the most melodious spanish :)02:39
hyper_chwell, all of the S.A. dialects were totally different from the one in Spain... I don't like that one at all.. it's like a staccato02:40
pampai think you were not obnuvilated by her spanish, either by her beauty!!! :P02:40
hyper_chmaybe both :)02:40
pampa(i had some troubles to make that phrase)02:40
hyper_cheven in argentina you do have different dialect... one of them came from Buenos Aires and the other from San Salvador de Jujuy and it didn't sound the same :)02:40
pampai really dont know if it's well writed...02:41
hyper_chpampa: I understood what you meant to say :)02:41
pampanow i'm in Cordoba, it's famous by it's particular dialect02:41
hyper_chI don't know that one :)02:42
pampait's in the middle center of Argentina02:42
hyper_chwhy is the dialect particular?02:42
hyper_chor rather what makes it particular?02:42
pampait's dialect is pretty funny for me that i'm from Santa Fe, the neigbourhood province02:43
pampayou have to listen to them :D02:43
hyper_chhehe :)02:43
hyper_chwell, the dialects in Germany/Switzerland/austria are a thing for themselves...02:44
hyper_chas I have said above most Germans and Austrians wouldn't understand me at first02:44
pampain my province (Sta Fe) we have a more Buenos Aires's kind...02:44
hyper_chand I even have problems understanding some dialects in Switzerland02:44
hyper_chI remember that lovely girl from Buenos Aires :)02:44
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hyper_chCatalina Maria Jaramillo02:45
hyper_chhmm, all girls I know from S.A. have in their name a "Maria"...02:45
pampayeah, don't tell me... i'm in love of every woman of my country!02:45
pampayeah!, Maria is pretty popular02:46
hyper_chyeah, there are some really nice ones :)02:46
hyper_chbut they are always late :)02:46
hyper_chwell, I learnt that when i wanted to meet at like 7 pm then I say 6:3002:46
hyper_chwell, if you say you want to meet at some place at some time... they were always late... but I think that's the mentality there :)02:47
graziepampa: I'm not sure, but I think you anthy problem is just a dictionary install02:47
pampaoohhh, yeah! that's a big problem of the Argentinian...02:47
graziepampa: you should be able to kill the process and finish the install without problems02:48
hyper_chpampa: I learnt to live with it as I just said to meet 30min before I actually intended to meet :)02:48
pampagrazie, you say?02:48
graziepampa: I think so, not certain02:48
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graziegrazie: your anthy problem...02:48
pampagrazie, how i could wach the running processes to kill them up?02:49
graziepampa: ^^02:49
graziepampa: alt+f202:49
hyper_chwhat's anthy?02:49
pampagrazie, in another terminal02:49
pampabut which commando?02:49
graziepampa: some dictionary thing...I don't know exactly02:50
pampahyper_ch, i dont remember very well... but i think it was something like anthry...02:50
graziehyper_ch: ^^02:50
graziepampa: ps aux02:50
hyper_chhyper@xubi:/etc/rc2.d$ man anthy02:51
hyper_chNo manual entry for anthy02:51
hyper_choh well :)02:51
pampagrazie, roger... i'll try with that02:51
ubotuanthy: A Japanese input method (backend, dictionary and utility). In component main, is optional. Version 7500-1 (edgy), package size 2749 kB, installed size 10388 kB02:51
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pampamaybe i'm a lilbit wrong :P02:52
graziepampa: ok. come back if you've have a problem. saves downloadling yet again,02:52
pampadon't tellme! it was anthy?02:52
graziepampa: ?02:52
hyper_chI'd still first get the newest release :)02:53
pampagrazie, i preffer wait to download herd4 and try with it02:53
pampaif the problem persist with herd4 then i'll try ps aux, and killall :P02:53
pampamy brain is almost in flames!!!02:54
pampayou english people makes me think a lot to translate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!102:54
hyper_ch!es | pampa02:55
ubotupampa: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.02:55
hyper_choh, there is no #xubuntu-es ?02:55
pampaubotu, THANKS!02:55
ubotuYou're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)02:55
graziepampa: hyper_ch is swiss!02:55
hyper_chgrazie: can you prove it ^^02:55
hyper_chthere you go :)02:56
hyper_chwell, let's hope herd 4 works fine :)02:56
pampai hope02:56
hyper_chneed to go for a little while :)02:56
pampai cant wait to see xfce running on my notebook!02:57
graziehyper_ch: maybe later02:57
pampaok guys (grazie, are you female?)02:58
graziepampa: no02:58
pampaok,so it's: ok guys :p02:58
pampai'm going to take a shower02:58
pampathanks for all the data02:59
pampai'm gonna come back with more info 'bout how it was02:59
pampahoping it works!!!02:59
pampabye bye03:00
pampasee you later03:00
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somerville32Xubuntu meeting started in #ubuntu-meeting04:12
hyper_chsomerville32: what's that?04:17
somerville32It is where we discuss Xubuntu stuff - development, packages, iso testing, artwork, etc. etc.04:18
somerville32You're welcome to join us04:18
hyper_chwhy ubuntu-meeting and not xubuntu-meeting?04:18
duglaswhat time on Wednesday's ... I am usually at work at this time04:19
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silyaHi all! When I login on my PC through vnc xfce4session starts, but then "Keyboard layout Switcher" sisappears and I add him by hand again. What is the problem?05:30
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Jester45bug maybe or it might crash for some reason05:31
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sha1sumhey all... great stuff you guys have going here...05:40
sha1sumI do have one suggestion for your post-install boot-to-HDD:05:41
sha1sumif the usbhid kernel mod is not set to run at boot, it might be a good idea05:41
sha1sumI just had no input devices ;) ended up having to cold poweroff and plug in a ps205:42
somerville32hehe :)05:42
sha1sumnot only this, but I'm also using a USB KVM switch05:43
sha1sumso maybe I was doing stuff on my other system when the hardware detection process was doing its thing05:43
sha1sumnot sure how you would prevent these sorts of things, but if it does autodetect USB HID devices to specify the running of the module, maybe some documentation is needed to leave all devices connected to the install machine while it runs05:44
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sha1sumbut in all actuality (as you more than likely know), the usbhid module does not use many resources at all05:44
sha1summight be a good idea just to default it05:45
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sha1sumso how do I submit an official request for this?06:03
sha1sumwait a minute06:04
sha1sumlemme check common questions06:04
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superkirbyartistI am trying to adjust colors on my monitor.06:07
superkirbyartistCan someone help me please?06:07
sha1sumare you in text mode or graphical mode?06:08
superkirbyartistGraphical mode.06:09
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dakarjaki polecacie odtwarzacz konsolowy ??? pod mpd06:11
dakarta wogole jest tu kto??06:11
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superkirbyartistIt's an iMac monitor.06:15
superkirbyartistCan you help me please?06:17
superkirbyartistAnyone can help me calibrate monitor?06:18
graziesuperkirbyartist: what's wrong with the colours?06:18
superkirbyartistGrazie: Wrong colors appear everywhere.  Example: Virgin moble logo is blue.06:19
superkirbyartistGaim is blue too.06:19
superkirbyartistThe Firefox fox is blue.06:19
graziesuperkirbyartist: G3 iMac?06:19
graziesuperkirbyartist: X config on G3 iMacs can be tricky. I'll see if I can find you a link06:20
superkirbyartistThank you grazie.06:21
hyper_chsomerville32: here?06:23
hyper_chcan't you try to get vmware to work in feisty?06:23
graziesuperkirbyartist: try this >> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=350291&highlight=x+imac06:23
graziehyper_ch: I thought you liked virtualbox?06:24
hyper_chgrazie: the problem with vbox is that it doesn't fully support the swiss german keyboard layout06:25
graziehyper_ch: that seems odd though06:25
blizzfor the love of god, *why* is the hd-media image a compressed 256M partition when it's supposed to hold a 600M cd iso? :P (for usb stick install)06:39
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hyper_chhmmm, skype is keeping freezing my xubuntu :(06:41
hyper_chgrazie: still here?06:42
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hyper_chwell, I can't type that:  $.-_:!^~` with vbox06:42
hyper_chas well as this {}[] 06:42
hyper_chand the numeric pad doesn't work either for the SG keyboard layout06:43
graziei thought vbox would use whatever is already available...maybe there config isn't quite right....it seems odd to me as thought there were many German devs & users06:45
hyper_chgrazie: they use somehow the wine thing... I told them already but it's not on their priority list06:46
hyper_chthat's the pity for me about vbox... it's really better than vmware but when I can't use those keys :(06:46
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grazie!seen maxamillion08:04
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hyper_chgrazie: have you tried usb devices yet on vbox?08:07
graziehyper_ch: no08:07
hyper_chok :)08:07
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hyper_chproblem is my contacts from my palm aren't properly transferred to kontact08:08
hyper_chso I thought I could put it to outlook08:09
hyper_chthen use outlook to sync with egroupware08:09
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hyper_chand use contact to sync again with egroupware :)08:09
Jester45how do you check drive fragmentation08:11
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about fragmentation - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:12
hyper_chJester45: is that necessary on linux08:12
Jester45and yes i know linux doesnt need it must08:12
Jester45i would like to see how fragmented my drive is still08:13
hyper_chask the local gurus :)08:13
jdrakeIf it is said that drive defragmentation is not necessary on linux, then wouldn't that statement need to be testable by determining how much fragmentation is on the drive and how said fragmentation impacts performance?08:13
Jester45jdrake: ?? it impacts it a little but not nearly like windows08:14
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hyper_chjdrake: as long as you have 20% or more free diskspace linux will arrange the files in whole chunks08:14
jdrakeI have never personally had a problem I would associate to it, but testable it should be before statements of claim are made.08:15
hyper_chjdrake: some gurus told me so :)08:15
jdrakeah, appeal to authority :p08:15
PuMpErNiCkElWorks if it's not a false authority.08:15
hyper_chjdrake: if they know what they are talk about :)08:15
jdrakehyper_ch, non-testable because of unknown people08:16
PuMpErNiCkElWhich, in this case, is mostly true since ext3 is designed to not fragment files.08:16
jdrakeI recall fsck used to give info on fragmentation08:16
jdrakeIt would typically be 0.9% i believe08:16
Jester45yea thats it08:16
Jester45i wa trying ckfs08:17
jdrakeCould anyone verify that xfmedia freezes if an item in its playlist is suddenly not in the file system location it expected anymore? (say by renaming a directory)08:17
Jester45jdrake: no i should normaly skip that entry to the playlist08:18
jdrakeOne might think so, but it didn't08:18
Jester45it does on drapper08:19
jdrakeMe no use dapper :p08:19
jdrakeI must test out my updated fglrx, brb08:19
hyper_chanyone knows how to change the icon set (rabies wants to know)08:21
grazieRE: icons sets...download the set wanted and recommend extracting to ~/,icons08:25
hyper_chrabies: see?08:26
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rabiescool, thanx08:26
grazierabies: then launch Applications > Settings > User Interface Settings ... and select from Icon Theme tab08:27
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jdrakeWell, fglrx doesn't yet work08:30
jdrake(EE) fglrx(0): GART is not initialized, disabling DRI08:31
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jdrakeHave you guys heard of an /sbin/lrm-video before?08:38
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Jester45i got 4 packages that are held back from upgrading they are: linux-headers-386 linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic and linux-restricted-modues0generic09:03
Jester45how can i upgrade these? are they they kernels?09:03
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Jester45and i think i have a 686 how can i get that kernel? and how can i check on if i have a i68609:04
PuMpErNiCkEl-686 was merged into -generic for Edgy.09:21
Jester45how would i upgrade it then09:22
PuMpErNiCkElFind out why they're being held back and fix it. ^^09:22
Jester45well i dont know what09:23
PuMpErNiCkElWhat are you upgrading from/to?09:24
Jester45just trying to get them upgraded09:24
PuMpErNiCkElWhat version are you upgrading from, and what version are you upgrading to?09:26
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Cyban1How do you make Xubuntu boot to  text login and not a graphical login?09:51
somerville32Disable gdm from starting at boot09:52
hyper_chsomerville32: do you know why I can't install the newest kernel?09:54
hyper_chThe following packages have been kept back:09:54
hyper_ch  linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic09:54
hyper_ch0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.09:54
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Cyban1why can't i su to root in the default install?09:58
Cyban1or can i use sudo to change the root password?09:59
graziehyper_ch: there's been quite a few problems with the kernel packages for about a week to 10 days10:00
hyper_chgrazie: thx10:01
Cyban1how do i remove xfce and all it's deps?10:07
Cyban1I like ubuntu but just want their verison of debian without the "extras"10:09
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icicledopenoffice has some huge fonts under xubuntu10:32
icicledthere a fix/10:32
s|gicicled: only in oo.org ?10:43
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q_hi all, i'm using XFCE (Xfce 4.4 BETA2) and when i restarted got this error "Starting without administrative privileges" and i lost the right click mouse button menu and the background image, anybody know why?10:59
naliothno patience at all . . . .11:03
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Prisoner_what's going on?11:07
jdrakeGoing through my music collection11:10
Prisoner_that's cool11:10
jdrakeTrying to recover from a 17gb music collection and banshee.11:10
jdrakeThe delete button is my favourite11:10
icicledi'm trying to get openoffice to stop sucking11:11
icicledbut no luck so far: http://imagebin.org/732511:11
jdrakeWhat do you dislike?11:11
Prisoner_I've been planning my Dual boot with XUbuntu for a couple of weeks, maybe I'll actually get around to it this weekend11:11
icicledjdrake, check out the screenshot then tell me :P11:12
jdrakeWell, the font sizes are way too big11:12
icicledPrisoner_, it is the weekend11:12
icicledyes exactly11:12
icicledi need to fix the damn problem11:12
Prisoner_I know, but hard tof ind the time11:12
icicledno luck so far11:12
jdrakeFirefox almost has a similar problem11:12
icicledfirefox is easy, all you do is tell it to use smaller fonts11:12
icicledin openoffice, there's no such thing (that i know of)11:13
Prisoner_I need to work uniterupted but with my spouse constantly wanting to do home improvement projects, it isn't easy to get such a thing11:13
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icicledit is a home improvement though11:13
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Prisoner_been hearing too much bad stuff about Vista11:14
icicledits annoying11:14
iciclednot much else11:14
Prisoner_the latest thing I heard on Vista is it needs 2GB in the real world to work, 1gb RAM won't cut it11:15
Prisoner_really need to get on with it11:16
icicledyea, 2gb is recommended11:17
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icicled1gb is kinda the minimum req11:17
Prisoner_I only have 512mb11:17
dev1In vimtutor tutor.ru has koi8-r charset by default. iconv fix the problem. please note that11:17
icicledwell for aero interface anyway11:17
Prisoner_1.583AMD Sempron11:17
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dev1where I can write about it? is it a bug?11:17
dev1I am happy with xfce :) My home pc return to life :)11:19
dev1and with xubuntu11:19
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jdrakeThe question I have - will xfce continue to 'grow' with computer hardware11:20
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icicledi sure hope so11:27
icicledwell for now it uses some gnome services to do its hardware handling11:28
icicledi wish it wouldn't11:28
icicledbut whatever11:28
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jdrakeWhen I mean grow, I mean become less usable on existing systems.11:29
jdrakeSoftware is like a gas, it tends to expand to its container11:29
icicled=] 11:29
icicledi'd say it definitely will happen11:29
icicledin general it will11:30
icicledto achieve greater things w/software it becomes more complex11:30
icicledthus needs more cpu/ram/fast hd/etc11:30
icicledbut sometimes people just create bad software in general11:31
icicledin python you can create a p2p client in less than 100 lines of code (not very good but you can)11:32
icicledtry doing the same in c++ or c11:32
icicleddev. time would be way longer11:32
icicledbut the end result you will get something equal to or better11:32
icicledtime is a factor nowadays11:32
icicledthe thinking is that if you have the resources why not use them11:33
icicledit should be: if you have resources use them efficiently :P11:33
icicledbut figuring out how to use it efficiently takes time :P11:33
jdrakeicicled, I disagree with the C++/C example. The result could be just as bad or worse easily.11:34
icicledjdrake, it could be yes11:34
icicledin the end you can always blame the user/consumer by saying hey, they wanted it done fast11:34
jdrakeIn the free software world, the consumer is not always the primary consideration.11:34
icicledyea well, that's what you think :P11:35
icicledthink about why ubuntu took off the ground11:35
icicledthey made it easier for people to use11:35
icicledits as simple as that11:35
jdrakeDefinitely, but they primarily use software already written, only a small portion is new.11:36
icicledno doubt, but the glue that makes everything easier to use is whats important11:36
jdrakeIn that specific case the goal is the person at the end.11:37
icicleda good installer which doesn't make the user feel like a moron (esp if they don't know a lot about computers)11:37
icicledthen programs labeled w/simple names like 'music player' or 'video player'11:38
iciclednot xmms / xine11:38
icicledall the simple little details are what count11:38
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jdrakeMy favourite installer was the one for system 7.511:38
jdrakeNot too many questions asked, hardly any infact.11:39
icicled=] 11:39
icicledwhat good would xmms be if the user didn't know wtf it was and what it did11:39
icicledthat's why ubuntu has this quote: 'human experience' (or something like that)11:40
jdrakeI have noticed a few bugs in xfmedia, not show stoppers mind you.11:40
icicledbugs are everywhere :)11:40
jdrakeMy biggest annoyance so far in general is that you can't alt-tab while dragging something like you can in windows.11:40
icicledyou just can't see many of them11:40
dev1ubuntu i18n team works with xubuntu traslation too or not?11:40
jdrakeI also have the capability to fix some.11:41
icicledsilya, i think its mainly done at the xfce4 team11:41
icicledbut if they need to add a few things i'm sure they do11:41
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icicledyou can always grab the source and find out =] 11:41
silyaI see that many apps not traslated11:42
icicledsilya, a lot of apps aren't11:42
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icicledonly 'popular' apps are :P11:42
icicledgaim being one of them11:42
silyaI think if xubuntu want's to be everywhere everuthing must be translated!11:43
SharnWell, translate then. =P11:43
SharnAlot of us only know english, you know.11:43
silyaIf my mummy runs Gnumeric and see English she will run so fast as she can from pc with ubuntu :)11:44
silyaI saw trasnlated gnumeric...11:44
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silyaor hands?11:44
icicled=] 11:46
silyaxfce-screenshot not translated! :$11:46
silyaIn xubuntu: program button "applications" on english! in-menu components in russian. interesting...11:47
icicledyou can help them :P11:47
silyaHeh, when I read such as: "Ass hole, give us 100 updates and then we will talk with you". In this situsation I just wanna say "POSHEL NA HUJ!"11:49
silyarussian unstraslatable words :)11:49
jdrakeDo we have an app that can do a 'mass translation' of one format to another?11:49
jdrakemusic format11:49
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silyaBye all! Good night! 00:58 AM in Ukraine :)11:55
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