=== Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:39] ScottK: FYI, jjesse is a docs dude. if they tend to hang around here, and ask mostly development questions, we let them :) [12:40] ScottK: to the people who dont, ie, ask non-development questions regularly, we send htem elsewhere [12:46] Riddell: do you need more people to test the dist-upgrader? === superstoned_ [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.231.109] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:08] Tonio_: ping? [01:08] Tonio_: for kio-resources, + Homepage: http://kde-apps.org/content/download.php?content=26521 is not a homepage - it's a download link [01:09] Uh oh, Hobbsee must be on the REVU rampage.. :-) [01:09] bddebian: :) [01:09] bddebian: well, if Tonio_'s done it, it must be pretty good, right? === Hobbsee saw that motu email [01:09] Of course :-) [01:10] Hobbsee: argh ! [01:10] Tonio_: :) [01:10] Tonio_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4358 [01:10] indeed, again a problem in klipper cache..... [01:11] yup === Hobbsee test builds now [01:11] Hobbsee: I'll fix and upload then :) [01:11] Tonio_: great :) [01:11] Hobbsee: can you in the same time revu the second kio package ? [01:11] there is a second one if my remembering is correct... === Tonio_ restart kde to test qt3 packages === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:13] Hobbsee: fonts bug fixed ;) [01:13] fdoving: thanks for the help ;) [01:13] Tonio_: yay! [01:18] Tonio_: archived. :) [01:18] Hobbsee: thanks [01:19] Tonio_: cant see a second kio package - there's http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4199 which you need to reply back on, if you wish === Hobbsee reviewed a few kdeish things that look interesting [01:21] Hobbsee: yes licencing issues are a bit complicated on this..... that's the reason it isn't in debian atm [01:21] yep [01:21] Hobbsee: I'll give a look at revu, maybe I didn't upload the second ioslave package yet [01:21] quite possible [01:21] or it's archived === yuriy [n=yuriy@209-6-133-37.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:34] fabo: we should probably fix https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/basket/+bug/85781 in debian [01:34] Malone bug 85781 in basket "Basket installs without khelpcenter" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:36] LaserJock: Hobbsee is :) [01:36] imbrandon suggested I talk with Riddell or sebas about a power managment problem [01:36] Riddell spoke just over 2 hours ago === nixternal gets to docs [01:37] with Edgy I'd get random hibernations [01:37] nixternal: hrm? [01:37] and then I tried KDE last night and it did a hard shutdown [01:38] Hobbsee: I'm tying to figure out how to debug a power management issue in KDE [01:39] ah [01:40] imbrandon told me that Gnome and KDE use the same backend [01:40] so I don't understand why this would happen === imbrandon looks up [01:48] moins peeps [01:48] hey imbrandon :) [01:48] imbrandon: KONVERSATION DEBS! === Hobbsee goes back to hiding again :) === snikker [n=Irc@host70-85-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:49] hi imbrandon [01:49] heya LaserJock Hobbsee [01:49] Hobbsee, doh, hehe ok [01:49] someone have used k3b with verbatim dvd+r? [01:50] snikker, yes , daily [01:50] imbrandon: and it work fine? [01:50] yes [01:51] imbrandon: k3b detect my dvdrecorder, the empty dvr+r, but when i press the burn button it say to me to insert a dvd disc.... [01:51] try a diffrent disk [01:52] imbrandon: at thw moment i've got only this disk, but they work fine under onother OS :( [01:53] that happens sometimes, you probably have a bad disk [01:53] or dirty [01:53] etc [01:55] imbrandon: i don't know... i've tried with another disc (i've buy a box of verbatim disks), but it's the same thing.... === neoncode [n=neoncode@84.13.64.148] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:00] imbrandon: solved... i'm a dumb :-P i've set write type to "incremetal", with "auto" work fine [02:00] imbrandon: but is not possible to create multisession dvd? === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === praetor [n=praetor@203-166-244-60.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-57-2.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lexual [n=lexhider@ppp131-197.lns3.mel6.internode.on.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:13] Hobbsee: Thanks. Didn't know who jjesse was. Sorry about that. [03:14] ScottK: docs person :) [03:14] ScottK: he wrote part of the official ubunt book, too :) === ScottK will remember and not do it again. [03:15] it's fine :) === Hobbsee subscribed to kubuntu users === Hobbsee isnt sure if that's wise or not [03:19] Hobbsee: Just keep a standard reply with this: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html in it and you'll be fine. [03:19] I'm subscribed to both ubuntu-users and kubuntu-users and I think ubuntu-users is harder to take. [03:21] Is that default gmail.com setting in konq->browser_setting meant to enable full ajax mode, if so we need to change it. [03:21] ScottK: ahhh yes, i like that guide [03:21] ugh, yeah, never subscribed to ubuntu-users [03:22] lexual: dont know, to be honest === Hobbsee tries to figure out where lexual is familiar from [03:22] Maybe I should open a bug? [03:22] I subscribed because I run ubuntu servers and that's where those questions tend to come up. I've never run Gnome so most of it goes right past me. [03:24] ScottK: hehe, i'd forgotten how good some of this was. [03:25] lexual: what's wrong with full ajax mode for konqi? === Hobbsee doesnt know [03:26] It's also useful when people whine I didn't hold their hand enough... [03:26] yup [03:27] Hobbsee: the default setup takes you to html mode. To get ajax mode you need to set browser id to firefox. [03:27] lexual: do we do that by default? [03:27] or have i just got it set that way? [03:29] On my system, the default settings we have don't work. [03:29] likely my config [03:29] lexual: can you file a bug under kubuntu-default-settings about that we need to make the browser identification for gmail as firefox? [03:30] bleh. that sentence is terrible :) [03:40] Hobbsee: re: kubuntu-users, not unwise, just not useful unless you love long rambling rants and neverending threads :) [03:41] not many experienced linux/Kubuntu users post in there much [03:41] not many gurus, that is [03:41] claydoh: just before i subscribed to it, i made lots more folders in my email, and split up each ML :) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:42] claydoh: but yeah, S/N ratio at the moment seems to be 0 [03:42] helpful, I did that recently [03:42] yep :) [03:42] i think i'ts even fixed today === Hobbsee notes that kubuntu-devel contains ubuntu-devel, which is unhelpful. [03:42] lol === Hobbsee then made the kubuntu-devel ML rule run *before* the ubuntu-devel one [03:42] lol at jdong's quit message [03:43] heh [03:43] I don't follow ubuntu-devel [03:44] but kmail can filter on mailinglist id which may help [03:44] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/85945 [03:44] Malone bug 85945 in kubuntu-default-settings "Konqueror doesn't use gmail's ajax mode" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [03:44] ehh, launchpad always seems to get in my way. [03:44] gnomefreak: it's not [03:44] claydoh: it's gotten a lot better [03:44] claydoh: probably more interesting than k-u [03:45] whats not? [03:45] I never subscribed to it mostly as I am not a dev :) but I follow k-u for some bugs and such [03:46] claydoh: you are on kubuntu-devel, presumably? [03:46] gnomefreak: that firefox issue not being fixed [03:46] yes [03:46] claydoh: good ;) [03:46] Hobbsee: the one that i said might have been related to k-f-i? [03:47] the popup dialogs should be part of the firefox intergration [03:47] gnomefreak: k-f-i? k-firefox-integration or something? [03:47] yes that [03:47] true - but what's this about firefox integration at all? [03:48] we dont integrate firefox into kubuntu at all, to my knowledge... [03:48] Hobbsee: you do as of feisty [03:48] atleast last i heard [03:48] Hobbsee: I lied, its the kubuntu-bugs list lol === claydoh rushes to make sure he is subbed to the right lists :) [03:49] claydoh: [03:49] claydoh: hehe [03:49] gnomefreak: interesting. wonder where you heard that === Hobbsee should really do a clean install [03:49] here [03:49] mmm, okay === Hobbsee will poke lure [03:49] there was also a spec on it and i think imbrandon was gonna work on it (havent heard in a while but that was last i remember) [03:50] yes, i remember that much [03:50] for dapper [03:50] the packages are at....hmmm....newly suggested packages page, iirc [03:52] and damn you got that fast [03:53] gnomefreak: hrm? === Hobbsee saw it in -testers [03:53] Hobbsee: i had just changed that when you said something [03:53] yep. Ubugtu's broken, it's reporting whenever a bug gets changed === Hobbsee wondesr about using the crystal clear icons for feisty === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:56] heya freeflying [03:57] evening [03:58] gah sometimes owning a home is so hard [03:58] i think i have a frozen pipe :( [03:59] that sucks, we had one frozen 2 years in a row === yuriy is burning herd 4 [04:06] Hobbsee: hi [04:06] :) [04:07] It's the first day of our traditional new year :) [04:12] happy new year, freeflying [04:12] happy new year [04:13] (it's still NYE here) [04:13] I'm flying home tomorrow to have NY's dinner with my folks === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ScottK-laptop [n=kitterma@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:15] crimsun: thanks [04:15] lexual: bug 85948 i guess is because the tabs in konversation aren't normal tabs [04:15] Malone bug 85948 in konversation "ctrl-,/. shortcut not working in konversation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85948 [04:16] yuriy: thanks === ScottK2 [n=kitterma@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === hunger_t [n=tobias@p54A73CEF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vinboy [n=vinboy@125-238-82-8.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:41] lexual: poke [04:43] lexual: if you go back to the default shortcuts for konvi, the tab ones, does ctrl+. and ctrl+, work? [04:43] apparently they broke in dapper, which was why it was changed [04:45] how do I go back to the defaults? [04:45] settings, configure shortcuts, and hit the default button [04:46] wow, sho_'s furious at us [04:46] ? [04:46] crimsun: ? to which? [04:46] 22:46 < Hobbsee> wow, sho_'s furious at us [04:47] crimsun: upstream konvi developer [04:47] sarah@LongPointyStick:/devel/k-d-s$ bzr checkout sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu [04:47] Permission denied (publickey). [04:47] bzr: ERROR: Unable to connect to SSH host bazaar.launchpad.net; EOF during negotiation [04:47] Hobbsee: yes that makes it work. [04:47] wah. [04:47] Hobbsee: right, I was hoping for a rundown of the drama. [04:47] crimsun: kubuntu has changed some of the defaults of konversation, as it's our default irc client [04:48] what's ticking off sho_? [04:48] that we changed some of their defaults, and people went to #konversation asking about it [04:48] (oh please.) [04:48] rather [04:49] crimsun: do you know why id' be getting that error message? [04:49] crimsun: afaik, my ssh key is still here, etc. [04:49] and i'm in kubuntu-members [04:50] is the hostname correct? [04:50] Kubuntu Default Settings is now being maintained in bzr with write [04:50] access to anyone in kubuntu-members. [04:50] bzr checkout sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu [04:50] mv ubuntu kubuntu-default-settings-6.10 [04:50] edit edit [04:50] I've not used bzr in a few months, so I don't know if bazaar.launchpad.net is used instead of, say, bazaar.canonical or whatever [04:50] bzr commit [04:50] debuild -S [04:50] dput [04:50] was in an email a while ago [04:51] i'm assuming so [04:51] you might want to poke in #launchpad, sorry [04:51] oh, i'ts bzr, it seems [04:51] oh, wait [04:51] you're not providing a username [04:52] shouldnt have to, should i? not if ~kubuntu-members is there? [04:52] I've not tried w/o a username@bazaar.launchpad.net === Hobbsee tries [05:01] wow, we have some old defaults here [05:01] works? fails? [05:01] yep. works now [05:02] excellent. [05:02] don't know if the username@ is required or if it was just a heisenberg [05:02] Mez: didnt you change the konvi port to 8001? [05:02] that was in feisty, yeah. [05:02] (and I didn't push that change) [05:07] crimsun: of course, it's a valid question if we should be taking out menu options, etc. [05:07] true. [05:12] especially if they were made in dapper, and there has been a major release since then === MrWGW- [n=nondiscl@cpe-75-85-97-183.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:23] good evening [05:23] hey MrWGW- [05:24] how are you doing? === neoncode [n=neoncode@84.13.64.148] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:25] good, dealing in konversation woes, at the moment [05:25] which is hard, as i dont understand much of kde coding [05:25] I'm doing something rather controversial this evening [05:27] oh? === MrWGW- is forking GNU [05:30] specifically, I'm creating a fork of the so called "userland" that will be a seperate project and will remain under its current license, rather than upgrading to the GPL v3 when it comes out, and I'm also wanting to tackle some of the major annoyances in GNOME [05:31] MrWGW-: ick. === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:32] well I told you it would be controversial [05:32] or just insane :P [05:32] in my case, more fun than anything [05:32] its very easy to do [05:33] you just download the sources, rename everything, use symlinks so that nothing breaks, and voila [05:33] also, GNOME IMO has a number of UI flaws [05:33] which annoys me, because I otherwise prefer it to KDE === praetor [n=praetor@203-166-244-60.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@84.13.64.148] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:15] Hobbsee: have you noticed if it were possible to change where GRUB is installed to in the Edgy Desktop CD? [06:15] Jucato: i'ts not [06:16] Hobbsee: hm.. strange thing... I remember a few weeks ago, I tried the Desktop CD. when I reached the part where it's confirming where GRUB will be installed and which partitions will be formatted, the location where GRUB will be installed is clickable (like a link). When I clicked on it, it gave me a text box asking for a location to install GRUB in [06:17] hey Jucato [06:17] hi MrWGW- [06:17] Jucato: sure that wasnt a feisty cd? [06:17] nope. I burned that CD on the day Edgy was released... === Jucato has no feisty anything... [06:18] Jucato: odd. no idea [06:18] afaik, they didnt have time to say where grub was to be installed to, on the desktop cd [06:18] heh I find it odd too... and I only remembered this yesterday... [06:19] it's in step 6, where you confirm which partitions will be formatted [06:20] grrrr....why cant i find the amarok that was released with 3.5.6, in kdesvn [06:21] amarok is in trunk/extragear [06:22] ahh, excellent, thanks [06:22] np :) [06:22] extragear apps don't follow the KDE releases... and they're in trunk, even if they're still for KDE 3.5.x [06:25] right [06:25] gah. i cant find exactly what i'm looking for [06:26] what is it? maybe I can help (trying hard...) [06:26] in amarokrc of k-d-s, we only set some of the shortcuts (the XF86... is the stuff i'm interested in) - i'm wondering if we need to, and if we do, why we arent setting *all* of the XF86 buttons. [06:27] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/multimedia/amarok/src/app.cpp?rev=634709&view=markup is the appropriate file, within amarok. i'm not sure where/if global kde shorcuts come into it === Jucato searches too [06:27] we're still setting a lot of crack in konqi, which i've now removed, and am now looking at amarok's [06:29] /me suspects we dont need [06:29] [Gst-Engine] [06:29] Sound Output=alsasink [06:29] in there either [06:30] since Amarok doesn't work w/ GStreamer currently? === Jucato sighs... one day... one day... [06:30] I'm gonna talk like this too [06:30] correct === Hobbsee is learning...slowly [06:30] er, s/konqi/konvi/ [06:31] and that's *exactly* what I need to do, too. learn **slowly**... no more crash courses for me [06:31] hm.. brb... === yuriy [n=yuriy@209-6-133-37.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:35] ooh! svn finally cmae down! [06:36] is kdm crashing for anybody else? [06:37] define crashing [06:37] er, bzr [06:37] on start up it comes up, then goes away, and i have to go to vt and login and startx [06:38] it doesn't actually die though [06:39] this has been happening for a while and i've kinda been ignoring it (yaya i'm useless) but i just did a fresh install of herd4 and it's still doing it [06:39] that's not good - clean config? [06:40] umm no, i keep forgetting to try that oops [06:40] h/o [06:41] what config am i looking for? since kdm isn't user specific [06:42] that answers that -- fresh install so yes, clean config [06:46] i'm not sure... [06:46] okay [06:48] Jucato: and where will i find kopete? [06:54] Hobbsee: kdenetwork [06:55] gah sorry late reply [06:55] woohoo, I have killed the docs tonight!!! [06:55] man, so much work, so little time :/ [06:56] hrm, i think i found them === Hobbsee can now patch the kopete icons, if she wants to [06:56] Hobbsee: if you're looking for the version released w/ 3.5.6 (stable), it's in tags/ [06:56] Jucato: was looking for the 0.11 versions, but i found it another way :) [06:57] Jucato: did hte interface change between 0.11 and 0.12? [06:57] iirc, it did [06:57] I can't recall, but iirc yes it did === Jucato is not a heavy kopete user, doesn't notice details... === Hobbsee wonders why we have a kopetechatwindow.rc, and if i'ts actually in date === jdong_ [n=jdong@SIMMONS-EIGHTY-TWO.MIT.EDU] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong_ is now known as jdong === Hobbsee commits === Hobbsee test builds, first [07:11] gah! === chavo [n=chavo@67-22-97-187.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:14] rm'ing .local isnt such a great idea. [07:18] O.o === yuriy [n=yuriy@209-6-133-37.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:18] ahh well [07:18] /usr/local/bin/insertrant kubuntu-default-settings "Stop hiding my root" === Hobbsee attempts to commit to bzr [07:18] jdong: in feisty it doesnt. [07:18] && rm -f /etc/kubuntu-default/settings/* [07:19] heh [07:19] Hobbsee: well obviously it didn't delete the .hidden from edgy now did it? [07:19] and thank you for regaining your senses. [07:19] jdong: no, there's still a SRU for that, and all of the SRU's are pretty much being abandoned [07:19] it was an experiment. [07:19] :) [07:19] I love to hear that [07:19] both of those statements [07:19] 05:18 < Tonio_> I prefer to spend 5 minutes fixing a bug on feisty than 2 month for edgy... [07:20] enough said, really [07:20] lovely [07:20] great [07:20] woo forking is fun [07:20] jdong: how many SRU's have you done, again? [07:20] Hobbsee: err, that's not my job.... [07:20] Hobbsee: if I were more involved in development I would od more [07:20] yay, it committed [07:21] Hobbsee: and that's a pretty lame excuse for why stable distro bugfixes are being abandoned [07:21] jdong: exactly. so i wouldnt whine about people not going thru the process, unless you've done at least one yourself. [07:21] 2 months is on the quick side! [07:21] then there's something wrong with the process [07:21] all I know is 80% of backports requests should've been something handled through SRU [07:21] but oh well I have no problem with just backporting a newer release [07:21] then handle them? [07:22] I don't have the knowledge about the situation to handle them [07:22] I barely can deal with backports and the forums [07:22] I don't need much more added to my plate [07:22] or I'm gonna be fatter than rosie odonnell [07:23] heh === Hobbsee hopes it will change... === jdong does too [07:24] I'm sorry if SRU is a painful process [07:24] probably because of update paranoia arising from our various 'incidents' [07:25] and yet we still seem to have some incidents... [07:25] Jucato: well no amount of paranoia fixes that :) [07:26] Jucato: our recent incidents seem to be better though [07:26] arising out of really odd corner cases [07:26] not, say, 100% the nvidia audience :) [07:26] yeah. the recent can be blamed on soyuz, iirc [07:26] or 80% of AGP users [07:28] although it's not really ubuntu's fault, there was a recent problem for a good part of the nvidia audience [07:28] yuriy: that was not a ubuntu porblem at all [07:28] there is no way you can blame ubuntu for that one [07:28] ubuntu needed to get out a security update [07:28] well, of course [07:28] that broke binary compatibility [07:28] and 3rd party vendors weren't fast enough in getting out updated drivers [07:29] we should get a big funnel [07:29] lol [07:29] and point it at hardware manufacturers when people complain [07:30] i guess that doesn't work too well when they aren't physically rushing at anybody === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:31] not at hardware manufacturers :) [07:31] 3rd party repos === LongPointyStick pokes jdong [07:31] maybe there's something inherently broken about the way updates are handled? [07:31] LongPointyStick: what? [07:31] ow [07:31] fix azureus [07:31] or at least +1 it === LongPointyStick DOOOMS jdong [07:32] lol [07:33] jdong: true, but it's probably better to fix for the next release, then argue against a procedure which people dont want to change (yet, hopefully) [07:33] LongPointyStick: hehe I'll just file a backport request for it :D === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy [n=yuriy@209-6-133-37.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Bent [n=bent@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy [n=yuriy@209-6-133-37.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy [n=yuriy@209-6-133-37.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === MrWGW- [n=nondiscl@cpe-75-85-97-183.socal.res.rr.com] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === marseillai_ [n=cyril@AMarseille-156-1-126-104.w83-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === MrWGW- [n=nondiscl@cpe-75-85-97-183.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === MrWGW- [n=nondiscl@cpe-75-85-97-183.socal.res.rr.com] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === MrWGW- [n=nondiscl@cpe-75-85-97-183.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.231.109] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=cyril@AMarseille-156-1-126-104.w83-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === guglielf [n=flp@unaffiliated/guglielf] has joined #kubuntu-devel === luc_ [n=luc@230-82-244-84.zapcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Bent [n=bent@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:15] the faq needs some updating [10:20] so does kubuntu.org -> contact i guess. [10:21] don't belive amu want to be listed as a contact person any more. === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@v213-022.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t is now known as hunger === totopullman [n=flp@ppp-246-67.21-151.libero.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel === totopullman [n=flp@ppp-246-67.21-151.libero.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel === guglielf [n=flp@unaffiliated/guglielf] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db44102.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:06] good morning [11:07] Why does kde store its cache files in /var/tmp and not in /tmp? [12:05] hunger: /tmp is cleaned at reboot, i guess /var/tmp is not. [12:05] only thing i can come up with. [12:11] fdoving: Yeap... but does that matter? [12:12] don't know. [12:13] the cache is stored in /var/tmp/ [12:13] like /var/tmp/kdecache-frode/favicons [12:13] the cached favicons, makes sense not to delete them at reboot. === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.231.109] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:14] also, the khtml http cache is stored there. [12:14] and ksycoca [12:15] probably makes sense to not have it in /tmp [12:15] the alternative would be somewhere in ~ i guess. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee waves === dinosaur-rus [n=dinosaur@ppp85-140-215-44.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:25] hi [12:25] heya [12:25] dinosaur-rus: where'd you find the ETA of KDE4? [12:31] Hobbsee: I don't remember, but I've read somewhere that KDE4 is gonna be released somewhere this autumn... [12:32] dinosaur-rus: they bumped it, iirc. [12:32] they're still working on the libs, which they originally said they wouldnt be touching after november (snapshot 2) [12:32] some time ago I've made a packages update and language switching stopped working [12:34] There's no "official" ETA for KDE4 ;) [12:34] Good estimation is "before chrismas" but can't say what year. [12:34] hehe [12:35] this one would be nice [12:35] Tm_T: get going :P [12:35] Yup. [12:36] Tm_T: what are you working on, at the moment? [12:36] dinosaur-rus: for kde4, presumably? [12:36] keyboard layout switching looks to be broken now :( [12:36] Hobbsee: Nothing really, just messing around in IRC, help this and that. === dinosaur-rus is very sad [12:42] oh, I managed to compile kdesktop! yay! [12:42] mhb: yay! [12:43] can anyone use non-English keyboard layouts? [12:46] compiling the whole kdebase seems impossible to me === GNUro [i=GNUro@gateway/tor/x-b9d6a21283514afe] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:50] mhb: kde4? [12:51] hello! [12:51] Jucato: no, kde3 [12:51] oh [12:51] have fun :) [12:52] now that I compiled it I can finally fix the bugs I want :o) [12:52] mhb: why dont you fix the bugs in the distro and in kde? :) [12:54] mhb: that's how I did 2 patches to Konqi :) === Jucato goes for a while... bbl === dinosaur-rus [n=dinosaur@ppp91-76-76-158.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-022-171.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:04] I've found that it's kxkb; if it's disabled or I'm in another DE/WM keyboard layouts work without problems [01:15] * superstoned loves the label support in amarok [01:15] :) === mhb thinks superstoned_ should learn the "/me" command :o) [01:16] just forgot... === superstoned_ knows that... [01:17] superstoned_: should learn the "/ame" command === superstoned_ what does this? === superstoned_ doesn't see a diff between /me and /ame [01:18] superstoned_: look on #strigi === Hobbsee test [01:18] superstoned_: Hobbsee it makes a /me on every channel you are [01:18] what's /ame do, that /me doesnt? [01:18] holy cow [01:18] as does superstoned_ with is first message [01:18] aaaah [01:18] tnx [01:18] superstoned_: you dont here. [01:19] ? [01:19] marseillai: yes, i just found that out, when they all turned blue... [01:19] btw now i'm just being talked to here, i can ask - is polyester now the default style in kubuntu??? [01:20] there is also a /amsg if i well remember [01:20]