[12:39] <Hobbsee> ScottK: FYI, jjesse is a docs dude.  if they tend to hang around here, and ask mostly development questions, we let them :)
[12:40] <Hobbsee> ScottK: to the people who dont, ie, ask non-development questions regularly, we send htem elsewhere
[12:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do you need more people to test the dist-upgrader?
[01:08] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ping?
[01:08] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: for kio-resources, + Homepage: http://kde-apps.org/content/download.php?content=26521 is not a homepage - it's a download link
[01:09] <bddebian> Uh oh, Hobbsee must be on the REVU rampage.. :-)
[01:09] <Hobbsee> bddebian: :)
[01:09] <Hobbsee> bddebian: well, if Tonio_'s done it, it must be pretty good, right?
[01:09] <bddebian> Of course :-)
[01:10] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: argh !
[01:10] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: :)
[01:10] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4358
[01:10] <Tonio_> indeed, again a problem in klipper cache.....
[01:11] <Hobbsee> yup
[01:11] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'll fix and upload then :)
[01:11] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: great :)
[01:11] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: can you in the same time revu the second kio package ?
[01:11] <Tonio_> there is a second one if my remembering is correct...
[01:13] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: fonts bug fixed ;)
[01:13] <Tonio_> fdoving: thanks for the help ;)
[01:13] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yay!
[01:18] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: archived. :)
[01:18] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: thanks
[01:19] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: cant see a second kio package - there's http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4199 which you need to reply back on, if you wish
[01:21] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes licencing issues are a bit complicated on this..... that's the reason it isn't in debian atm
[01:21] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:21] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'll give a look at revu, maybe I didn't upload the second ioslave package yet
[01:21] <Hobbsee> quite possible
[01:21] <Hobbsee> or it's archived
[01:34] <Hobbsee> fabo: we should probably fix https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/basket/+bug/85781 in debian
[01:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85781 in basket "Basket installs without khelpcenter" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[01:36] <nixternal> LaserJock: Hobbsee is :)
[01:36] <LaserJock> imbrandon suggested I talk with Riddell or sebas about a power managment problem
[01:36] <nixternal> Riddell spoke just over 2 hours ago
[01:37] <LaserJock> with Edgy I'd get random hibernations
[01:37] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hrm?
[01:37] <LaserJock> and then I tried KDE last night and it did a hard shutdown
[01:38] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: I'm tying to figure out how to debug a power management issue in KDE
[01:39] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:40] <LaserJock> imbrandon told me that Gnome and KDE use the same backend
[01:40] <LaserJock> so I don't understand why this would happen
[01:48] <imbrandon> moins peeps
[01:48] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon :)
[01:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: KONVERSATION DEBS!
[01:49] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon
[01:49] <imbrandon> heya LaserJock Hobbsee
[01:49] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, doh, hehe ok
[01:49] <snikker> someone have used k3b with verbatim dvd+r?
[01:50] <imbrandon> snikker, yes , daily
[01:50] <snikker> imbrandon: and it work fine?
[01:50] <imbrandon> yes
[01:51] <snikker> imbrandon: k3b detect my dvdrecorder, the empty dvr+r, but when i press the burn button it say to me to insert a dvd disc....
[01:51] <imbrandon> try a diffrent disk
[01:52] <snikker> imbrandon: at thw moment i've got only this disk, but they work fine under onother OS :(
[01:53] <imbrandon> that happens sometimes, you probably have a bad disk
[01:53] <imbrandon> or dirty
[01:53] <imbrandon> etc
[01:55] <snikker> imbrandon: i don't know... i've tried with another disc (i've buy a box of verbatim disks), but it's the same thing....
[02:00] <snikker> imbrandon: solved... i'm a dumb :-P  i've set write type to "incremetal", with "auto" work fine
[02:00] <snikker> imbrandon: but is not possible to create multisession dvd?
[03:13] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Thanks.  Didn't know who jjesse was.  Sorry about that.
[03:14] <Hobbsee> ScottK: docs person :)
[03:14] <Hobbsee> ScottK: he wrote part of the official ubunt book, too :)
[03:15] <Hobbsee> it's fine :)
[03:19] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Just keep a standard reply with this: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html in it and you'll be fine.
[03:19] <ScottK> I'm subscribed to both ubuntu-users and kubuntu-users and I think ubuntu-users is harder to take.
[03:21] <lexual> Is that default gmail.com setting in konq->browser_setting meant to enable full ajax mode, if so we need to change it.
[03:21] <Hobbsee> ScottK: ahhh yes, i like that guide
[03:21] <Hobbsee> ugh, yeah, never subscribed to ubuntu-users
[03:22] <Hobbsee> lexual: dont know, to be honest
[03:22] <lexual> Maybe I should open a bug?
[03:22] <ScottK> I subscribed because I run ubuntu servers and that's where those questions tend to come up.  I've never run Gnome so most of it goes right past me.
[03:24] <Hobbsee> ScottK: hehe, i'd forgotten how good some of this was.
[03:25] <Hobbsee> lexual: what's wrong with full ajax mode for konqi?
[03:26] <ScottK> It's also useful when people whine I didn't hold their hand enough...
[03:26] <Hobbsee> yup
[03:27] <lexual> Hobbsee: the default setup takes you to html mode. To get ajax mode you need to set browser id to firefox.
[03:27] <Hobbsee> lexual: do we do that by default?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> or have i just got it set that way?
[03:29] <lexual> On my system, the default settings we have don't work.
[03:29] <Hobbsee> likely my config
[03:29] <Hobbsee> lexual: can you file a bug under kubuntu-default-settings about that we need to make the browser identification for gmail as firefox?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> bleh.  that sentence is terrible :)
[03:40] <claydoh> Hobbsee:  re: kubuntu-users, not unwise, just not useful unless you love long rambling rants and neverending threads :)
[03:41] <claydoh> not many experienced linux/Kubuntu users post in there much
[03:41] <claydoh> not many gurus, that is
[03:41] <Hobbsee> claydoh: just before i subscribed to it, i made lots more folders in my email, and split up each ML :)
[03:42] <Hobbsee> claydoh: but yeah, S/N ratio at the moment seems to be 0
[03:42] <claydoh> helpful, I did that recently
[03:42] <Hobbsee> yep :)
[03:42] <Hobbsee> i think i'ts even fixed today
[03:42] <claydoh> lol
[03:42] <claydoh> lol at jdong's quit message
[03:43] <claydoh> heh
[03:43] <claydoh> I don't follow ubuntu-devel
[03:44] <claydoh> but kmail can filter on mailinglist id which may help
[03:44] <lexual> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/85945
[03:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85945 in kubuntu-default-settings "Konqueror doesn't use gmail's ajax mode" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[03:44] <lexual> ehh, launchpad always seems to get in my way.
[03:44] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: it's not
[03:44] <Hobbsee> claydoh: it's gotten a lot better
[03:44] <Hobbsee> claydoh: probably more interesting than k-u
[03:45] <gnomefreak> whats not?
[03:45] <claydoh> I never subscribed to it mostly as I am not a dev :) but I follow k-u for some bugs and such
[03:46] <Hobbsee> claydoh: you are on kubuntu-devel, presumably?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: that firefox issue not being fixed
[03:46] <claydoh> yes
[03:46] <Hobbsee> claydoh: good ;)
[03:46] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: the one that i said might have been related to k-f-i?
[03:47] <gnomefreak> the popup dialogs should be part of the firefox intergration
[03:47] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: k-f-i?  k-firefox-integration or something?
[03:47] <gnomefreak> yes that
[03:47] <Hobbsee> true - but what's this about firefox integration at all?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> we dont integrate firefox into kubuntu at all, to my knowledge...
[03:48] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: you do as of feisty
[03:48] <gnomefreak> atleast last i heard
[03:48] <claydoh> Hobbsee: I lied, its the kubuntu-bugs list lol
[03:49] <Hobbsee> claydoh:
[03:49] <Hobbsee> claydoh: hehe
[03:49] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: interesting.  wonder where you heard that
[03:49] <gnomefreak> here
[03:49] <Hobbsee> mmm, okay
[03:49] <gnomefreak> there was also a spec on it and i think imbrandon was gonna work on it (havent heard in a while but that was last i remember)
[03:50] <Hobbsee> yes, i remember that much
[03:50] <Hobbsee> for dapper
[03:50] <Hobbsee> the packages are at....hmmm....newly suggested packages page, iirc
[03:52] <gnomefreak> and damn you got that fast
[03:53] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: hrm?
[03:53] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i had just changed that when you said something
[03:53] <Hobbsee> yep.  Ubugtu's broken, it's reporting whenever a bug gets changed
[03:56] <Hobbsee> heya freeflying
[03:57] <jjesse> evening
[03:58] <jjesse> gah sometimes owning a home is so hard
[03:58] <jjesse> i think i have a frozen pipe :(
[03:59] <yuriy> that sucks, we had one frozen 2 years in a row
[04:06] <freeflying> Hobbsee: hi
[04:06] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:07] <freeflying> It's the first day of our traditional new year :)
[04:12] <crimsun> happy new year, freeflying
[04:12] <yuriy> happy new year
[04:13] <crimsun> (it's still NYE here)
[04:13] <crimsun> I'm flying home tomorrow to have NY's dinner with my folks
[04:15] <freeflying> crimsun: thanks
[04:15] <yuriy> lexual: bug 85948 i guess is because the tabs in konversation aren't normal tabs
[04:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85948 in konversation "ctrl-,/. shortcut not working in konversation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85948
[04:16] <freeflying> yuriy: thanks
[04:41] <Hobbsee> lexual: poke
[04:43] <Hobbsee> lexual: if you go back to the default shortcuts for konvi, the tab ones, does ctrl+. and ctrl+, work?
[04:43] <Hobbsee> apparently they broke in dapper, which was why it was changed
[04:45] <lexual> how do I go back to the defaults?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> settings, configure shortcuts, and hit the default button
[04:46] <Hobbsee> wow, sho_'s furious at us
[04:46] <crimsun> ?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ? to which?
[04:46] <crimsun> 22:46 < Hobbsee> wow, sho_'s furious at us
[04:47] <Hobbsee> crimsun: upstream konvi developer
[04:47] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:/devel/k-d-s$ bzr checkout sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu
[04:47] <Hobbsee> Permission denied (publickey).
[04:47] <Hobbsee> bzr: ERROR: Unable to connect to SSH host bazaar.launchpad.net; EOF during negotiation
[04:47] <lexual> Hobbsee: yes that makes it work.
[04:47] <Hobbsee> wah.
[04:47] <crimsun> Hobbsee: right, I was hoping for a rundown of the drama.
[04:47] <Hobbsee> crimsun: kubuntu has changed some of the defaults of konversation, as it's our default irc client
[04:48] <crimsun> what's ticking off sho_?
[04:48] <Hobbsee> that we changed some of their defaults, and people went to #konversation asking about it
[04:48] <crimsun> (oh please.)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> rather
[04:49] <Hobbsee> crimsun: do you know why id' be getting that error message?
[04:49] <Hobbsee> crimsun: afaik, my ssh key is still here, etc.
[04:49] <Hobbsee> and i'm in kubuntu-members
[04:50] <crimsun> is the hostname correct?
[04:50] <Hobbsee> Kubuntu Default Settings is now being maintained in bzr with write
[04:50] <Hobbsee> access to anyone in kubuntu-members.
[04:50] <Hobbsee> bzr checkout sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu
[04:50] <Hobbsee> mv ubuntu kubuntu-default-settings-6.10
[04:50] <Hobbsee> edit edit
[04:50] <crimsun> I've not used bzr in a few months, so I don't know if bazaar.launchpad.net is used instead of, say, bazaar.canonical or whatever
[04:50] <Hobbsee> bzr commit
[04:50] <Hobbsee> debuild -S
[04:50] <Hobbsee> dput
[04:50] <Hobbsee> was in an email a while ago
[04:51] <Hobbsee> i'm assuming so
[04:51] <crimsun> you might want to poke in #launchpad, sorry
[04:51] <Hobbsee> oh, i'ts bzr, it seems
[04:51] <crimsun> oh, wait
[04:51] <crimsun> you're not providing a username
[04:52] <Hobbsee> shouldnt have to, should i?  not if ~kubuntu-members is there?
[04:52] <crimsun> I've not tried w/o a username@bazaar.launchpad.net
[05:01] <Hobbsee> wow, we have some old defaults here
[05:01] <crimsun> works? fails?
[05:01] <Hobbsee> yep.  works now
[05:02] <crimsun> excellent.
[05:02] <crimsun> don't know if the username@ is required or if it was just a heisenberg
[05:02] <Hobbsee> Mez: didnt you change the konvi port to 8001?
[05:02] <crimsun> that was in feisty, yeah.
[05:02] <crimsun> (and I didn't push that change)
[05:07] <Hobbsee> crimsun: of course, it's a valid question if we should be taking out menu options, etc.
[05:07] <crimsun> true.
[05:12] <Hobbsee> especially if they were made in dapper, and there has been a major release since then
[05:23] <MrWGW-> good evening
[05:23] <Hobbsee> hey MrWGW-
[05:24] <MrWGW-> how are you doing?
[05:25] <Hobbsee> good, dealing in konversation woes, at the moment
[05:25] <Hobbsee> which is hard, as i dont understand much of kde coding
[05:25] <MrWGW-> I'm doing something rather controversial this evening
[05:27] <Hobbsee> oh?
[05:30] <MrWGW-> specifically, I'm creating a fork of the so called "userland" that will be a seperate project and will remain under its current license, rather than upgrading to the GPL v3 when it comes out, and I'm also wanting to tackle some of the major annoyances in GNOME
[05:31] <Hobbsee> MrWGW-: ick.
[05:32] <MrWGW-> well I told you it would be controversial
[05:32] <Hobbsee> or just insane :P
[05:32] <MrWGW-> in my case, more fun than anything
[05:32] <MrWGW-> its very easy to do
[05:33] <MrWGW-> you just download the sources, rename everything, use symlinks so that nothing breaks, and voila
[05:33] <MrWGW-> also, GNOME IMO has a number of UI flaws
[05:33] <MrWGW-> which annoys me, because I otherwise prefer it to KDE
[06:15] <Jucato> Hobbsee: have you noticed if it were possible to change where GRUB is installed to in the Edgy Desktop CD?
[06:15] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i'ts not
[06:16] <Jucato> Hobbsee: hm.. strange thing... I remember a few weeks ago, I tried the Desktop CD. when I reached the part where it's confirming where GRUB will be installed and which partitions will be formatted, the location where GRUB will be installed is clickable (like a link). When I clicked on it, it gave me a text box asking for a location to install GRUB in
[06:17] <MrWGW-> hey Jucato
[06:17] <Jucato> hi MrWGW-
[06:17] <Hobbsee> Jucato: sure that wasnt a feisty cd?
[06:17] <Jucato> nope. I burned that CD on the day Edgy was released...
[06:18] <Hobbsee> Jucato: odd.  no idea
[06:18] <Hobbsee> afaik, they didnt have time to say where grub was to be installed to, on the desktop cd
[06:18] <Jucato> heh I find it odd too... and I only remembered this yesterday...
[06:19] <Jucato> it's in step 6, where you confirm which partitions will be formatted
[06:20] <Hobbsee> grrrr....why cant i find the amarok that was released with 3.5.6, in kdesvn
[06:21] <Jucato> amarok is in trunk/extragear
[06:22] <Hobbsee> ahh, excellent, thanks
[06:22] <Jucato> np :)
[06:22] <Jucato> extragear apps don't follow the KDE releases... and they're in trunk, even if they're still for KDE 3.5.x
[06:25] <Hobbsee> right
[06:25] <Hobbsee> gah.  i cant find exactly what i'm looking for
[06:26] <Jucato> what is it? maybe I can help (trying hard...)
[06:26] <Hobbsee> in amarokrc of k-d-s, we only set some of the shortcuts (the XF86... is the stuff i'm interested in) - i'm wondering if we need to, and if we do, why we arent setting *all* of the XF86 buttons.
[06:27] <Hobbsee> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/multimedia/amarok/src/app.cpp?rev=634709&view=markup is the appropriate file, within amarok.  i'm not sure where/if global kde shorcuts come into it
[06:27] <Hobbsee> we're still setting a lot of crack in konqi, which i've now removed, and am now looking at amarok's
[06:29] <Hobbsee> /me suspects we dont need
[06:29] <Hobbsee> [Gst-Engine] 
[06:29] <Hobbsee> Sound Output=alsasink
[06:29] <Hobbsee> in there either
[06:30] <Jucato> since Amarok doesn't work w/ GStreamer currently?
[06:30] <Jucato> I'm gonna talk like this too
[06:30] <Hobbsee> correct
[06:30] <Hobbsee> er, s/konqi/konvi/
[06:31] <Jucato> and that's *exactly* what I need to do, too. learn **slowly**... no more crash courses for me
[06:31] <Jucato> hm.. brb...
[06:35] <Hobbsee> ooh!  svn finally cmae down!
[06:36] <yuriy> is kdm crashing for anybody else?
[06:37] <Hobbsee> define crashing
[06:37] <Hobbsee> er, bzr
[06:37] <yuriy> on start up it comes up, then goes away, and i have to go to vt and login and startx
[06:38] <yuriy> it doesn't actually die though
[06:39] <yuriy> this has been happening for a while and i've kinda been ignoring it (yaya i'm useless) but i just did a fresh install of herd4 and it's still doing it
[06:39] <Hobbsee> that's not good - clean config?
[06:40] <yuriy> umm no, i keep forgetting to try that oops
[06:40] <yuriy> h/o
[06:41] <yuriy> what config am i looking for? since kdm isn't user specific
[06:42] <yuriy> that answers that -- fresh install so yes, clean config
[06:46] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure...
[06:46] <Hobbsee> okay
[06:48] <Hobbsee> Jucato: and where will i find kopete?
[06:54] <Jucato> Hobbsee: kdenetwork
[06:55] <Jucato> gah sorry late reply
[06:55] <nixternal> woohoo, I have killed the docs tonight!!!
[06:55] <nixternal> man, so much work, so little time :/
[06:56] <Hobbsee> hrm, i think i found them
[06:56] <Jucato> Hobbsee: if you're looking for the version released w/ 3.5.6 (stable), it's in tags/
[06:56] <Hobbsee> Jucato: was looking for the 0.11 versions, but i found it another way :)
[06:57] <Hobbsee> Jucato: did hte interface change between 0.11 and  0.12?
[06:57] <Hobbsee> iirc, it did
[06:57] <Jucato> I can't recall, but iirc yes it did
[07:11] <Hobbsee> gah!
[07:14] <Hobbsee> rm'ing .local isnt such a great idea.
[07:18] <Jucato> O.o
[07:18] <Hobbsee> ahh well
[07:18] <jdong>  /usr/local/bin/insertrant kubuntu-default-settings "Stop hiding my root"
[07:18] <Hobbsee> jdong: in feisty it doesnt.
[07:18] <jdong> && rm -f /etc/kubuntu-default/settings/*
[07:19] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:19] <jdong> Hobbsee: well obviously it didn't delete the .hidden from edgy now did it?
[07:19] <jdong> and thank you for regaining your senses.
[07:19] <Hobbsee> jdong: no, there's still a SRU for that, and all of the SRU's are pretty much being abandoned
[07:19] <Hobbsee> it was an experiment.
[07:19] <jdong> :)
[07:19] <jdong> I love to hear that
[07:19] <jdong> both of those statements
[07:19] <Hobbsee> 05:18 < Tonio_> I prefer to spend 5 minutes fixing a bug on feisty than 2 month for edgy...
[07:20] <Hobbsee> enough said, really
[07:20] <jdong> lovely
[07:20] <jdong> great
[07:20] <MrWGW-> woo forking is fun
[07:20] <Hobbsee> jdong: how many SRU's have you done, again?
[07:20] <jdong> Hobbsee: err, that's not my job....
[07:20] <jdong> Hobbsee: if I were more involved in development I would od more
[07:20] <Hobbsee> yay, it committed
[07:21] <jdong> Hobbsee: and that's a pretty lame excuse for why stable distro bugfixes are being abandoned
[07:21] <Hobbsee> jdong: exactly.  so i wouldnt whine about people not going thru the process, unless you've done at least one yourself.
[07:21] <Hobbsee> 2 months is on the quick side!
[07:21] <jdong> then there's something wrong with the process
[07:21] <jdong> all I know is 80% of backports requests should've been something handled through SRU
[07:21] <jdong> but oh well I have no problem with just backporting a newer release
[07:21] <Hobbsee> then handle them?
[07:22] <jdong> I don't have the knowledge about the situation to handle them
[07:22] <jdong> I barely can deal with backports and the forums
[07:22] <jdong> I don't need much more added to my plate
[07:22] <jdong> or I'm gonna be fatter than rosie odonnell
[07:23] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:24] <jdong> I'm sorry if SRU is a painful process
[07:24] <jdong> probably because of update paranoia arising from our various 'incidents'
[07:25] <Jucato> and yet we still seem to have some incidents...
[07:25] <jdong> Jucato: well no amount of paranoia fixes that :)
[07:26] <jdong> Jucato: our recent incidents seem to be better though
[07:26] <jdong> arising out of really odd corner cases
[07:26] <jdong> not, say, 100% the nvidia audience :)
[07:26] <Jucato> yeah. the recent can be blamed on soyuz, iirc
[07:26] <jdong> or 80% of AGP users
[07:28] <yuriy> although it's not really ubuntu's fault, there was a recent problem for a good part of the nvidia audience
[07:28] <jdong> yuriy: that was not a ubuntu porblem at all
[07:28] <jdong> there is no way you can blame ubuntu for that one
[07:28] <jdong> ubuntu needed to get out a security update
[07:28] <yuriy> well, of course
[07:28] <jdong> that broke binary compatibility
[07:28] <jdong> and 3rd party vendors weren't fast enough in getting out updated drivers
[07:29] <yuriy> we should get a big funnel
[07:29] <jdong> lol
[07:29] <yuriy> and point it at hardware manufacturers when people complain
[07:30] <yuriy> i guess that doesn't work too well when they aren't physically rushing at anybody
[07:31] <jdong> not at hardware manufacturers :)
[07:31] <jdong> 3rd party repos
[07:31] <jdong> maybe there's something inherently broken about the way updates are handled?
[07:31] <jdong> LongPointyStick: what?
[07:31] <jdong> ow
[07:31] <jdong> fix azureus
[07:31] <jdong> or at least +1 it
[07:32] <jdong> lol
[07:33] <LongPointyStick> jdong: true, but it's probably better to fix for the next release, then argue against a procedure which people dont want to change (yet, hopefully)
[07:33] <jdong> LongPointyStick: hehe I'll just file a backport request for it :D
[10:15] <yuriy> the faq needs some updating
[10:20] <fdoving> so does kubuntu.org -> contact i guess.
[10:21] <fdoving> don't belive amu want to be listed as a contact person any more.
[11:06] <mhb> good morning
[11:07] <hunger> Why does kde store its cache files in /var/tmp and not in /tmp?
[12:05] <fdoving> hunger: /tmp is cleaned at reboot, i guess /var/tmp is not.
[12:05] <fdoving> only thing i can come up with.
[12:11] <hunger> fdoving: Yeap... but does that matter?
[12:12] <fdoving> don't know.
[12:13] <fdoving> the cache is stored in /var/tmp/
[12:13] <fdoving> like  /var/tmp/kdecache-frode/favicons
[12:13] <fdoving> the cached favicons, makes sense not to delete them at reboot.
[12:14] <fdoving> also, the khtml http cache is stored there.
[12:14] <fdoving> and ksycoca
[12:15] <fdoving> probably makes sense to not have it in /tmp
[12:15] <fdoving> the alternative would be somewhere in ~ i guess.
[12:25] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[12:25] <Hobbsee> heya
[12:25] <Hobbsee> dinosaur-rus: where'd you find the ETA of KDE4?
[12:31] <dinosaur-rus> Hobbsee: I don't remember, but I've read somewhere that KDE4 is gonna be released somewhere this autumn...
[12:32] <Hobbsee> dinosaur-rus: they bumped it, iirc.
[12:32] <Hobbsee> they're still working on the libs, which they originally said they wouldnt be touching after november (snapshot 2)
[12:32] <dinosaur-rus> some time ago I've made a packages update and language switching stopped working
[12:34] <Tm_T> There's no "official" ETA for KDE4 ;)
[12:34] <Tm_T> Good estimation is "before chrismas" but can't say what year.
[12:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:35] <Hobbsee> this one would be nice
[12:35] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: get going :P
[12:35] <Tm_T> Yup.
[12:36] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: what are you working on, at the moment?
[12:36] <Hobbsee> dinosaur-rus: for kde4, presumably?
[12:36] <dinosaur-rus> keyboard layout switching looks to be broken now :(
[12:36] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: Nothing really, just messing around in IRC, help this and that.
[12:42] <mhb> oh, I managed to compile kdesktop! yay!
[12:42] <Hobbsee> mhb: yay!
[12:43] <dinosaur-rus> can anyone use non-English keyboard layouts?
[12:46] <mhb> compiling the whole kdebase seems impossible to me
[12:50] <Jucato> mhb: kde4?
[12:51] <GNUro> hello!
[12:51] <mhb> Jucato: no, kde3
[12:51] <Jucato> oh
[12:51] <Jucato> have fun :)
[12:52] <mhb> now that I compiled it I can finally fix the bugs I want :o)
[12:52] <Hobbsee> mhb: why dont you fix the bugs in the distro and in kde?  :)
[12:54] <Jucato> mhb: that's how I did 2 patches to Konqi :)
[01:04] <dinosaur-rus> I've found that it's kxkb; if it's disabled or I'm in another DE/WM keyboard layouts work without problems
[01:15] <superstoned_> * superstoned loves the label support in amarok
[01:15] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:16] <superstoned_> just forgot...
[01:17] <marseillai> superstoned_: should learn the "/ame" command
[01:18] <marseillai> superstoned_: look on #strigi
[01:18] <marseillai> superstoned_: Hobbsee it makes a /me on every channel you are
[01:18] <Hobbsee> what's /ame do, that /me doesnt?
[01:18] <Hobbsee> holy cow
[01:18] <marseillai> as does superstoned_ with is first message
[01:18] <superstoned_> aaaah
[01:18] <superstoned_> tnx
[01:18] <Hobbsee> superstoned_: you dont here.
[01:19] <superstoned_> ?
[01:19] <Hobbsee> marseillai: yes, i just found that out, when they all turned blue...
[01:19] <superstoned_> btw now i'm just being talked to here, i can ask - is polyester now the default style in kubuntu???
[01:20] <marseillai> there is also a /amsg if i well remember
[01:20] <marseillai> but not sure
[01:20] <marseillai> hi everybody
[01:20] <superstoned_> marseillai: :D
[01:20] <marseillai> yep
[01:20] <marseillai> it's that
[01:20] <superstoned_> hi!
[01:20] <marseillai> /amsg hi everybody
[01:20] <superstoned_> lol
[01:20] <marseillai> arf it does this on every server you are too .........
[01:21] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:21] <marseillai> even on private message
[01:21] <superstoned_> cool
[01:21] <superstoned_> so you're REALLY bugging everybody :D
[01:21] <superstoned_> lol
[01:21] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:21] <marseillai> french channel are surprise! :)
[01:22] <superstoned_> I forgot the /me and used * cuz forums don't use /me, so you have to type it... :D
[01:22] <superstoned_> :D
[01:22] <superstoned_> (no, not that way)
[01:22] <superstoned_> tsss
[01:24] <superstoned_> btw the label support REALLY rocks. Get labels automatically from last.fm (use the plugin) and then sort your music on labels/artist/album (or whatever). lovely!
[01:25] <marseillai> do you know who works on suspend in ubuntu? i've find a way to improve the speed of suspend.
[01:26] <Hobbsee> marseillai: suspend2?
[01:26] <marseillai> no
[01:26] <Hobbsee> marseillai: ask in #ubuntu-devel tomorrow, probably
[01:26] <Hobbsee> good
[01:27] <marseillai> i erase the ram cache before suspend
[01:28] <marseillai> echo "1" > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches && sleep 1 && echo "0" > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
[01:28] <marseillai> then suspend
[01:28] <marseillai> and hibernate became as fast as a suspend ...
[02:02] <dinosaur-rus> my problem with switching keyboard layouts is really strange -- it only occurs when kxkb is started automatically with KDE. when it's started after KDE is loaded (i.e. manually), everything is ok.
[02:04] <dinosaur-rus> any ideas?
[02:17] <_StefanS_> hi there
[02:18] <Hobbsee> heya
[02:19] <_StefanS_> i was wondering.. the logout has not been applied to kdm.. maybe that should be done too ?
[02:19] <Jucato> ?
[02:20] <_StefanS_> the modified logout I mean
[02:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_ !
[02:21] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: I got stretched icons on logout screen (but text is displayed, thanks for that)
[02:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I was wondering about that logout, I noticed we have not applied that to kdm
[02:21] <Tonio_> Lure: be happy :)
[02:21] <Tonio_> Lure: I merged qt with debian, there is a patch for the fonts bug :)
[02:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hey ;)
[02:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hum true, indeed
[02:21] <LongPointyStick> hey Tonio_1
[02:21] <Tonio_> well it is a bit rare to logout via kdm
[02:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but if you can paztch this, why not
[02:22] <LongPointyStick> Tonio_: when can i discuss various k-d-s stuff with you?
[02:22] <Tonio_> LongPointyStick: sure
[02:22] <Tonio_> LongPointyStick: I have to go this afternoon, but can you come tomorrow ?
[02:22] <LongPointyStick> Tonio_: preferably not now, i'm going to bed :)
[02:22] <Tonio_> hehe, no probleme
[02:22] <Jucato> _StefanS_: I'm presuming that the logout from kdm will only have 2 buttons?
[02:22] <LongPointyStick> okay - ping me when you're around?
[02:22] <Tonio_> LongPointyStick: tomorrow for sure
[02:22] <Tonio_> :)
[02:22] <_StefanS_> Jucato: exatcly
[02:23] <LongPointyStick> hence the sign out
[02:23] <_StefanS_> I'm going to mimck that precise dialog
[02:23] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'll be glad to upload if you can patch this too
[02:24] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I will look at it
[02:24] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: See if it can be done quickly
[02:26] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I think it would sort of round up the logout feature
[02:26] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: how much time do I have btw, ?
[02:28] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: not that much ;)
[02:28] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: I can switch keyboard layouts when kxkb is launched automatically with KDE, but if I start it manually, everything is ok. any ideas?
[02:28] <dinosaur-rus> s/can/cannot
[02:29] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I don't think that'll break the feature freeze since that's just an extention of an existing feature btw
[02:29] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: dont know about that, sorry
[02:30] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok, I will try
[02:35] <_Sime> Tonio_: Hi,
[02:36] <Tonio_> hey _Sime :)
[02:36] <Tonio_> _Sime: I read you were working on the media patches ?
[02:36] <Tonio_> _Sime: may I ping you this week concerning a few issues I'd like to point you at ?
[02:37] <Tonio_> mostly integration things, not technical ones
[02:37] <_Sime> Tonio_: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKDEMedia
[02:37] <_Sime> Tonio_: I put some new patches up on there.
[02:37] <Tonio_> _Sime: great, I'll update them tomorrow or toonight
[02:37] <_Sime> Tonio_: you should be able to drop them straight in.
[02:38] <_Sime> Tonio_: they don't fix everything (yet). But hopefully a lot of your complaints will be fixed.
[02:38] <Tonio_>  Improved names for disks on the desktop.
[02:38] <Tonio_> GREAT !
[02:38] <Tonio_> that was really missing for me :)
[02:38] <_Sime> the old names are bad for me, but good for you.
[02:39] <_Sime> so I'm combining the two.
[02:39] <Tonio_> _Sime: that was not complaints ! I just wanted to point you at improvements solutions
[02:39] <_Sime> so you should see things like "Removable disk 40Gb (data1)"
[02:39] <Tonio_> _Sime: the idea of removing them was just because you were not available last weeks
[02:39] <Tonio_> that has (you know it) never against you and your work !
[02:40] <Tonio_> _Sime: yeah that's nice
[02:40] <_Sime> I've never taken your comments in that way. don't worry. ;)
[02:40] <Tonio_> better than "disk1"
[02:40] <_Sime> complains/bug reports, kinda the same.
[02:40] <Tonio_> _Sime: I hope that'll be translated via launchpad quickly btw
[02:40] <_Sime> Yes.
[02:40] <_Sime> the mount point is important for me
[02:40] <Tonio_> _Sime: thanks for the work ! I'll test them and will upload toonight probably
[02:41] <_Sime> because I don't remember the size of my partitions.
[02:41] <_Sime> so "Removable disk foobar" isn't very useful for me.
[02:41] <_Sime> so hopefully everyone will get useful names now.
[02:41] <Tonio_> _Sime: isn't df -h enough ? :)
[02:41] <_Sime> the only problem is that the icon names on the desktop get wrapped and cut off if they are too long
[02:42] <Tonio_> _Sime: yes but that's for the all kde.... not a problem with your patches, I won't blame that
[02:42] <Tonio_> and btw that'll work on "konqueror" while pointing to ~/Desktop no ?
[02:43] <Tonio_> _Sime: another thing, but that might be hard to figure out
[02:43] <_Sime> since our names are going to be longer, maybe we should give the icons more room on the desktop.
[02:43] <Tonio_> is there a way to hide "cdrom" folder in /media if nothing is mounted ?
[02:43] <Tonio_> just asking for feasability
[02:44] <Tonio_> that's what I like with media:/ it is dynamic
[02:44] <Tonio_> I think that'll be hard to do no ? ;)
[02:44] <_Sime> the easiest way to do that is to remove the folder, and remove cdrom from /etc/fstab.
[02:44] <Tonio_> _Sime: and last thing, is there now a way to "unmount" a disk via the context menu ?
[02:45] <Tonio_> _Sime: currently we only can "remove" it which is a pain when you need to just unmount to use for example qtparted or gparted
[02:45] <_Sime> Tonio_: Yes, it is called "Safely Remove". You should have that option available.
[02:45] <Tonio_> _Sime: that only unmount ?
[02:46] <Tonio_> okay I'll test, I must say I didn't test that for a while :)
[02:46] <Tonio_> btw thanks a lot for your work ;)
[02:46] <_Sime> for USB stuff that is unmount. For disks you probably only have "Eject" right now
[02:47] <Tonio_> _Sime: okay ;) I have to leave now, sorry...
[02:47] <Tonio_> _Sime: thanks again :)
[02:47] <_Sime> I think I saw on the k3b change log that it now support HAL and unmounting disks by itself.
[02:47] <_Sime> ok,
[02:47] <_Sime> k3b might be smarter now.
[02:48] <Tonio_> _Sime: version 1.0 ?
[02:48] <Tonio_> yes but we have lots of problems packaging it :)
[02:48] <_Sime> don't know which version. it was after edgy though.
[03:11] <snikker> i possible to set the home dir when i lunch kdesu?
[04:04] <dinosaur-rus> what packages need to be installed for developing KDE apps? just there're too many of them... :P
[04:06] <dinosaur-rus> well, nevermind :)
[04:07] <dinosaur-rus> have a nice day ;)
[04:55] <nixternal> OK you speakers. I have a lappy 1280x800 Intel. How can I get it to output out the external port at say 1024x768?
[04:56] <nixternal> any tricks?
[07:24] <snikker> can anyone compile and test a simple program? it's only to see if the problem is on my machine or not...
[07:25] <apokryphos> !support
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[08:32] <ypsila> moin
[08:32] <ypsila> kwwii: ping
[08:35] <kwwii> ypsila: pong
[08:36] <jjesse> afternoon :)
[08:36] <jjesse> hello kwwii
[08:36] <froud> hi, why can I see libpst here http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/source/libpst but cant find it via apt?
[08:36] <kwwii> howdy jjesse
[08:37] <jjesse> :)
[08:37] <ypsila> kwwii: good evening to germany :-)
[08:37] <kwwii> ;-)
[08:38] <ypsila> kwwii: even better: good evening to frankconia
[08:38] <kwwii> ypsila: lol, yeah :-)
[08:39] <ypsila> kwwii: seriously, we would like to do a little bit of promotion for the german-speaking kubuntu-community, but I'm not sure whether this is the right place to discuss about
[08:40] <kwwii> ypsila: wir koennen das im /query machen wen du willst
[08:41] <ypsila> kwwii: I would prefer you join our official team-channel #kubuntu-de.org
[08:42] <kwwii> ok
[08:42] <ypsila> thx
[08:42] <MrWGW-> hi kwwii
[08:42] <MrWGW-> I'm up to something rather.....controversial
[08:47] <kwwii> MrWGW-: hehe, aren't we all :p
[08:48] <MrWGW-> well this is especially controversial
[08:48] <MrWGW-> I'm creating a fork of GNU
[08:48] <MrWGW-> I already have one developer lined up
[08:48] <MrWGW-> the primary objective is to keep the fork availible under the terms of GPLv2
[08:48] <MrWGW-> the fork basically consists of the so called "userland" plus GNOME and GTK
[08:49] <MrWGW-> so the other primary objective is to fix GNOME
[08:49] <mhb> wouldn't it be better to wait until GPLv3 gets released?
[08:49] <ajmitch> sounds like a good way to get obsolete, very fast
[08:49] <jjesse> are you trying to recruit people away from kubuntu-devel?
[08:49] <MrWGW-> possibly, but its trivial to update the codebase to reflect changes made before that time
[08:49] <MrWGW-> No
[08:49] <MrWGW-> I don't want Kubuntu developers working on it, because Kubuntu is a KDE project
[08:50] <MrWGW-> and Kubuntu and Ubuntu, I suspect, will become GPL v3 licensed
[08:50] <MrWGW-> which isn't a problem for me
[08:50] <MrWGW-> I would use the GPL v3 for my own stuff
[08:50] <MrWGW-> but, there is a market need for a fork of GNU, and I'm moving to fill that void
[08:50] <ajmitch> a market need? where?
[08:50] <Tm_T> Wtf.
[08:51] <MrWGW-> *cough Suse cough*
[08:51] <mhb> PM or some offtopic channel perhaps
[08:52] <MrWGW-> you're right
[08:53] <kwwii> boah
[08:54] <ajmitch> crackful
[08:57] <ypsila> MrWGW-: may I ask, where you are from?
[08:57] <MrWGW-> the US
[08:57] <MrWGW-> why?
[08:58] <ypsila> MrWGW-: just intererst, nothing more
[08:58] <MrWGW-> O'
[08:58] <ypsila> -r
[08:59] <MrWGW-> I'm from Los Angeles
[08:59] <MrWGW-> sry
[08:59] <MrWGW-> brb
[08:59] <ypsila> MrWGW-: the country would have been enough :-) I'm from Germany#
[09:05] <MrWGW-> ah lovely
[09:06] <MrWGW-> I've been all over your country
[09:06] <MrWGW-> probably seen more of it than any other country in Europe
[09:07] <lotusleaf> MrWGW-: but have you seen #kubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu-offtopic ? :)
[09:07] <lotusleaf> both unique locations with plenty of happy birds
[09:09] <ypsila> MrWGW-: which one do you prefer? I guess people would love to see us leaving :-D
[09:10] <MrWGW-> ROFL
[09:10] <MrWGW-> Kubuntu#offtopic is fine
[09:10] <MrWGW-> I stray off topic very easily
[09:10] <ypsila> :-D
[09:10] <MrWGW-> although frankly I fail to see the point of topics in channels that are dead :-P
[09:10] <MrWGW-> anyway, see you there
[09:11] <mhb> have you discussed the windows utilities on the CD yet, Tonio_ ?
[09:11] <ypsila> MrWGW-: dont discuss, it's not worth the time
[09:19] <Lure> mhb: no conclusion afaik
[09:19] <Lure> mhb: I would like to get rid of some in favour of digikam
[09:27] <Tm_T> Lure: Firefox +1
[09:27] <Tm_T> It's outdated anyway.
[09:28] <Lure> Tm_T: we will probably have to keep some, but having kdepim or speedcrunch there is no point (imho)
[09:32] <mhb> Lure: me too
[09:54] <_StefanS_> evening
[09:54] <Lure> _StefanS_: evening
[09:55] <_StefanS_> :)
[09:55] <Lure> _StefanS_: logout now works nicely for my needs (keyboard navigation)
[09:56] <_StefanS_> Lure: good thing :) - I'm glad to hear that
[09:56] <_StefanS_> Lure: However it dont seem like the accelerator keys work
[09:56] <jjesse> quick question: anyone else having problems starting amarok on a feisty box?  just curios if it is my virtual machine or not
[09:56] <_StefanS_> Lure: alt+L for instance
[09:56] <_StefanS_> jjesse: I have no issues
[09:57] <_StefanS_> jjesse: running amarok 1.4.5
[09:57] <Lure> _StefanS_: never used those...
[09:57] <_StefanS_> jjesse: I can start my virtual machine, hang on and I'll test it
[09:57] <_StefanS_> Lure: oka
[09:57] <jjesse> _StefanS_: ok, must just be my vm then, every time i open it up, it just sits there and then i get a message that it has stopped responding
[09:57] <_StefanS_> jjesse: is it vmare you're running?
[09:57] <jjesse> yeah vmware server and the vm has 512mgs of memory
[09:57] <_StefanS_> ah the free one..
[09:58] <_StefanS_> mine is a workstation 6.0 beta3
[09:58] <_StefanS_> hangon, its bootin
[09:58] <_StefanS_> g
[10:00] <_StefanS_> jjesse: do you even have audio on vmware server ?
[10:00] <jjesse> _StefanS_: hmm does it matter?
[10:00] <_StefanS_> jjesse: donno :) - my amarok is started,  what kind of errors do you get on yours?
[10:00] <jjesse> _StefanS_: i just get the spinning "wait" and it hangs there
[10:01] <_StefanS_> jjesse: did you update using adept?
[10:01] <jjesse> if i switch active applications then the screen sort of hangs, waiting to take focus off amarok....
[10:01] <jjesse> yeah
[10:01] <_StefanS_> jjesse: have you installed vmware tools?
[10:01] <jjesse> yes i have
[10:01] <_StefanS_> jjesse: mine is not installed
[10:02] <jjesse> _StefanS_: i'm just trying to document stuff for the update for the official ubuntu book, so its no big deal if its just mine
[10:02] <_StefanS_> jjesse: try starting something else that use the audio subsysttem
[10:02] <jjesse> will do
[10:02] <_StefanS_> jjesse: donno if it will give you any clues
[10:03] <_StefanS_> jjesse: by the way.. try starting amarok from commandline, like konsole. It might give an idea
[10:03] <jjesse> thanks for the help
[10:04] <_StefanS_> jjesse: you could try #amarok if you think its an issue with amarok itself
[10:04] <jjesse> _StefanS_: i will try some things later, moving on to next section i need to update :)  thanks for the help
[10:04] <_StefanS_> jjesse: no problem :)
[10:08] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ping ?
[10:16] <jjesse> what ersion of open office is in feisty?
[10:16] <_StefanS_> jjesse: 2.1-3ubuntu1
[10:17] <_StefanS_> this is just funny... I didn't know kdm had a schedule shutdown feature
[10:18] <jjesse> thanks
[10:36] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: pong ?
[10:36] <Tonio_> mhb: not yet ;)
[10:37] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hep hey
[10:37] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well I just found a little bug in the logout.. the accelerator keys are not workin'
[10:37] <Tonio_> ah....
[10:37] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: have a fix ?
[10:37] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so I just fixed that, and I couldn't help starting to fix kdm
[10:37] <Tonio_> yes send me the patch please :) I'll fix this
[10:37] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so I will probably have a diff soon for both
[10:38] <Tonio_> both ?
[10:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: 1) bugfix for logout, 2) kdm shutdown/restart
[10:38] <Tonio_> you have done it ?
[10:38] <_StefanS_> 90%
[10:38] <Tonio_> great
[10:38] <_StefanS_> yes
[10:38] <_StefanS_> after that I going to experiment with the kdesu thing
[10:38] <_StefanS_> need to test some fades ;)
[10:39] <_StefanS_> and "above other windows" functionality
[10:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I just used the First letter of each (R)estart, (H)ibernate, (L)ogout for the accelerators
[10:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I think thats ok
[10:40] <Tonio_> okay ;)
[10:41] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: did you hear anything from manchicken lately ?
[10:41] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: he might be on vacation or something
[10:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nope... nothing
[10:45] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well maybe he just went outside the house and liked it :)
[10:45] <_StefanS_> haha
[10:46] <Tonio_> ;)
[10:47] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: did you know that kdm supported scheduled shutdowns (?), its just not enabled by default, and I really don't see the point either.
[10:48] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hum, didn't knew that indeed
[10:48] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the new dialog wont have have functionality
[10:50] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: dont really want to bother with something that was never used
[10:51] <Tonio_> sure
[11:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: isn't there a way to just compile one .deb from kdebase ?
[11:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: for instance if I just want to compile kdm
[11:54] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ping ?
[11:54] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sent you the ksmserver patch by email
[11:59] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: thanks !
[11:59] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'll upload toonight....
[12:01] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: another one is coming soon.. kdm is working fine, and I'm just adjusting the width of the dialog right now. Will send you the diff soon