[12:12] <coreymon77> nothing
[12:13] <coreymon77> my sound system is completely down
[12:13] <linopil> coreymon77:  ubotu is your friend
[12:13] <carrie> why do the madwifi drivers not get installed with the most recent kernel, linux-image-generic ?
[12:13] <linopil> try to bring it up
[12:14] <coreymon77> how\
[12:14] <coreymon77> its not working still
[12:16] <frojnd> hello guys
[12:16] <frojnd> I need help
[12:16] <frojnd> with pdfdkg
[12:16] <frojnd> or I think that's the name of program
[12:16] <frojnd> bash utillity
[12:16] <linopil> coreymon77:  what in system settings > Sound sustem general ?
[12:17] <frojnd> I need pictures od pdf :)
[12:17] <frojnd> pdftk is the name of the program
[12:17] <coreymon77> basic sblive "comes with the computer" card
[12:18] <frojnd> my question is how can I get jpeg pictures from it?
[12:18] <linopil> frojnd  you can investigate  doing  << sudo apt-cache search pdf
[12:18] <frojnd> I have installed pdftk...
[12:18] <frojnd> and I have a pdf file that has 434 pages..
[12:18] <linopil> then what frojnd
[12:18] <coreymon77> linopil: i would restart my comptuer to bring the sound back up
[12:18] <frojnd> and I need for every page one jpeg or any other format picture..
[12:18] <coreymon77> but i have a torrent going that i cant interrupt
[12:19] <linopil> why not coreymon77
[12:19] <frojnd> just don't know how to do this with pdftk
[12:19] <linopil> torrent can be interrupted and restarted
[12:19] <coreymon77> linopil: cause its going slow enough already, the last thing i need is to interrupt and restart it
[12:20] <linopil> wrong coreymon77slow enough sounds like a good reason to give it "some rest" to me
[12:20] <coreymon77> why?
[12:20] <coreymon77> right now its going at the fatest its been so far
[12:21] <coreymon77> but still slow as heck
[12:21] <coreymon77> something wrong with my internet today, its really slow
[12:21] <frojnd> how can I convert 434 pdf pages into pictures with pdftk?
[12:21] <linopil> because slow torrent can be also bad timing not enough Peers you know coreymon77?
[12:21] <coreymon77> ya
[12:21] <coreymon77> it has more peers right now that its has ever had yet
[12:22] <coreymon77> oh nuts
[12:22] <coreymon77> umm
[12:22] <linopil> muhabbet:  is chat in Turkish /
[12:23] <coreymon77> well, getting it back up is now the problem, my problem is why its all messed up
[12:23] <coreymon77> not*
[12:23] <coreymon77> not now
[12:23] <linopil> blame it on Bill Gates coreymon77 ;-)
[12:23] <coreymon77> you think its just dying?
[12:24] <linopil> He shouldnt have dropped MS unix XENIX at the time
[12:24] <coreymon77> okay
[12:24] <coreymon77> heres my question
[12:25] <coreymon77> how can i just whipe out all of the settings and reset them to the way they were when my systen was installed
[12:25] <linopil> did you try alsa restart coreymon77?
[12:25] <frojnd> Let me ask again: how can I convert pdf file of 434 pages into pictures, every page for it's picture with pdftk??? please help
[12:25] <coreymon77> whats the command to do taht?
[12:26] <linopil> googling that for you coreymon77
[12:26] <linopil> coreymon77: http://www.google.co.il/search?q=alsa+restart+ubuntu&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[12:27] <linopil> coreymon77:  what about sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart ?
[12:28] <linopil> also ty for being still in our small room
[12:28] <SatanMonk> Hello
[12:28] <linopil> !hello
[12:28] <ubotu> hello: The classic greeting, and a good example. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.1-4 (edgy), package size 47 kB, installed size 472 kB
[12:28] <mau12> hi
[12:29] <linopil> !hi
[12:29] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[12:29] <mau12> thanks
[12:29] <linopil> !ask
[12:29] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:29] <kubuntu_tester> hello folks!
[12:29] <mau12> sometimes i just stay and read
[12:29] <intelikey> !thanks | mau12
[12:29] <ubotu> mau12: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[12:29] <linopil> !hello > kubuntu_tester
[12:29] <kubuntu_tester> a question: how can I change ATI control's font?
[12:30] <linopil> !log
[12:31] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[12:31] <linopil> !log | mau12
[12:31] <ubotu> mau12: please see above
[12:31] <kubuntu_tester> linopil: I'm not a programmer, thanks :-)
[12:32] <mau12> ok guys see you later
[12:32] <linopil> kubuntu_tester:  I see
[12:34] <coreymon77> linopil: okay, wait a few minutes while some files tranfer from my brothers computer
[12:35] <coreymon77> linopil: then ill just reboot my computer and bring the sound system back up
[12:35] <linopil> PM in #ubuntu-il
[12:35] <SatanMonk> Synaptic is a better package installer, am I correct?
[12:35] <Omnifrog> i like it
[12:36] <intelikey> synaptic is not a package installer
[12:36] <intelikey> neither is adept
[12:36] <intelikey> !dpkg
[12:36] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[12:36] <Omnifrog> it's a package manager
[12:36] <intelikey> no
[12:37] <intelikey> it's a frontend for dpkg
[12:37] <angasule> it's a package divinator!
[12:37] <Omnifrog> pthththt
[12:37] <SatanMonk> lol, ok.. sorry I worded that wrong.
[12:37] <Omnifrog> dogma
[12:38] <tuco> Hiya all. I need some help getting Adept to update. Doesn't seem to work.
[12:38] <mediacenter> i need some help with RAID, anybody in here know much about it?
[12:38] <mau12> #ubuntu-es
[12:38] <angasule> !rs
[12:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:39] <angasule> !es
[12:39] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[12:39] <SatanMonk> I have had some bad luck with Edgy, and now I am trying Feisty Fawn, but someone told me that if I used Adept it was causing some people problems, and to try Synaptic instead
[12:39] <mediacenter> anybody know much about raid in here?
[12:39] <SatanMonk> It kills bugs pretty good
[12:39] <intelikey> !feisty | SatanMonk
[12:39] <ubotu> SatanMonk: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[12:40] <tuco> Anybody can help me fellas?
[12:40] <SatanMonk> what the heck was that? lol
[12:41] <cpk1> SatanMonk: typically switching from a stable release to an alpha project doesnt fix problems
[12:41] <tuco> My adept fetch update is stuck at 30%!
[12:42] <SatanMonk> no, I know that. but since I haven't used linux in 7 years, just thought that I would "jump" back in .. lol
[12:43] <angasule> SatanMonk: things have changed a bit since then :)
[12:43] <SatanMonk> I remember configuring Debian 2.15.. now I see it's at 3.14 lol
[12:43] <SatanMonk> I'm finding that out A LOT lol
[12:43] <intelikey> tuco close it and open a konsole then type in    sudo apt-get upadte   && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   if you are updating the installed packages.
[12:43] <angasule> SatanMonk: umh, debian put out what, one release since then? :P
[12:44] <angasule> not exactly the best example hehehe
[12:44] <intelikey> tuco that will let you see what the error messages are as well as seeing what completes successfully
[12:44] <kg0wx> I've read up on s/w install steps but when I run checkinstall I always get "no rule to make target 'install'. Stop." Help?
[12:44] <SatanMonk> The other night I was having a problem with my Edgy install... it worked fine.. rebooted and it had a tty; jobcontrol error.. couldn't get GRUB to do a damn thing with it
[12:45] <SatanMonk> I was like a noob all over again... but then someone came into the chan with a consol prob and I could help them like o'l hat.. lol
[12:45] <tuco> Intel it is stuck at 30 and I get a connection timed out message in konsole
[12:45] <tuco> 30% sorry
[12:45] <tuco> I am not sure about my repositories for a start, if they are set up correctly
[12:46] <jrattner> How can I create a menu bar at the top of my screen that just has a tasklist of currently open applications
[12:47] <intelikey> right click
[12:47] <jrattner> yep
[12:47] <SatanMonk> angasule; I realize that debian made a large leap, in lead numbers 2 --> 3 but they had lots of testing in between that
[12:47] <frojnd> does anyone know any program that would convert PDF file into pictures.. one pdf page for one picture??? please help
[12:48] <SatanMonk> Any way.. I hope that my transition to linux will be a good one...
[12:48] <provolik> Hi
[12:48] <SatanMonk> hello
[12:48] <provolik> I have a problem with flash player for firefox
[12:49] <tuco> I just don't know what I can't update at all. I need to install ati drivers, audigy drivers and firefox for a start. All help is more than welcome. Thank you
[12:49] <provolik> It says me that the falsh player does not support the amd64
[12:49] <intelikey> frojnd !i  but; apt-cache search pdf | grep '^pdf'    might find something
[12:49] <kubuntu_tester> nobody can help me? :-)
[12:50] <jrattner> How can I create a menu bar at the top of my screen that just has a tasklist of currently open applications?
[12:50] <provolik> I find a workaround by downloading firefox32 but it's not the solution I search
[12:50] <provolik> someone knows this problem and solution?
[12:51] <kg0wx> I've read up on s/w install steps but when I run checkinstall I always get "no rule to make target 'install'. Stop." Help?
[12:52] <frojnd> intelikey: it's just
[12:52] <frojnd> >
[12:52] <frojnd> and than I have to press ctrl + c
[12:52] <intelikey> apt-cache search pdf | grep '^pdf'
[12:53] <cpk1> provolik: there isnt a linux flash for amd64 iirc
[12:53] <provolik> doh!
[12:54] <provolik> okay
[12:54] <provolik> nothing then
[12:54] <provolik> thanks anyway
[12:54] <provolik> bye
[12:55] <tuco> Please folks, don't let me go back to windows. Please!
[12:55] <Omnifrog> just breath
[12:55] <Tm_T> tuco: What's your issue?
[12:55] <cpk1> tuco: adept/apt-get/aptitude is your friend
[12:56] <tuco> my updates get stuck at 30%...they don't seem to work. In Konsole or Adept
[12:56] <intelikey> tuco i advised you what and why.  you ignored.  should i answer in kind ?
[12:56] <tuco> I did what you told me Intel. As I said my updates are stuck at 30%
[12:57] <intelikey> show me the line of text
[12:57] <intelikey> from the apt command ^
[12:57] <tuco> hold on
[12:57] <intelikey> don't flood.   just one line
[12:57] <tuco> I am new to Linux so please bear with me
[12:58] <tuco> bare
[12:58] <intelikey> some times i bare some times i'm a bear ....
[12:59] <tuco> where can I show you what konsole says?
[12:59] <intelikey> !paste | tuco
[12:59] <ubotu> tuco: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:00] <tuco> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6301/
[01:00] <intelikey> you didn't close the adept like i said  or it has crashed on you.
[01:01] <intelikey> which is it ?
[01:01] <tuco> I closed it before I opened konsole
[01:01] <tuco> and nothing crashed
[01:01] <intelikey> ok  sudo fuser -k /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[01:01] <intelikey> and  sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:02] <intelikey> then re-run the apt-get command.
[01:03] <tuco> same Intel
[01:03] <tuco> stuck at 30% and then connection timed out
[01:03] <NamShub> where is the trash folder by default?
[01:04] <intelikey> tuco what is stuck at 30% ?
[01:04] <tuco> when I did this: sudo fuser -k /var/lib/apt/lists/lock it gave me 5403
[01:04] <tuco> connection/updates
[01:05] <tuco> Could not connect to gb.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out
[01:05] <intelikey> connection/updates ?   as in the notifier in the taskbar ?
[01:05] <intelikey> close it.
[01:05] <tuco> closed
[01:06] <tuco> nope message in the konsole
[01:07] <NamShub> !trash
[01:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about trash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:08] <rylasasin_> wow it sure has been a long time since I last used linux
[01:09] <intelikey> tuco i just checked the gb mirror, no connection problems from here.    pastebin the output of this for me.     sudo apt-get update
[01:11] <tuco> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6303/
[01:11] <tuco> Well if I had connection problems I wouldnt be here for sure!
[01:11] <juano__> hello everyone
[01:12] <kg0wx> I've read up on s/w install steps but when I run checkinstall I always get "no rule to make target 'install'. Stop." Help?
[01:13] <intelikey> tuco fuser /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[01:13] <intelikey> tuco what does that say ?
[01:14] <tuco> looks like I need to add something else
[01:14] <intelikey> why ?
[01:14] <tuco> tuco@xxx:~$
[01:14] <tuco> in konsole right?
[01:14] <intelikey> yes
[01:15] <tuco> just what I worte above
[01:15] <tuco> wrote
[01:15] <intelikey> ok try#   fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[01:15] <tuco> with the #?
[01:15] <intelikey> after
[01:16] <tuco> after what sorry?
 with the #?   <intelikey> after
[01:16] <tuco> huh?
[01:16] <holotone> So, I plugged a projector into my laptop, which didn't work (turns out it was a problem on the projecter end)
[01:16] <intelikey> fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[01:16] <holotone> as part of the troubleshooting..
[01:17] <holotone> I turned on the second monitor in display properties
[01:17] <holotone> when that didn't fix the problem, I unplugged the projecter, and disabled the second monitor
[01:17] <holotone> now my screen resolution is 640x480, and moving it to anything else causes all sorts of glitchy visual output
[01:18] <rodrigo_> hola
[01:18] <rodrigo_> que tal???
[01:18] <holotone> any ideas for a fxi?
[01:18] <rodrigo_> alguien de habla hispana?
[01:18] <intelikey> !fixX
[01:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:18] <Dasnipa`> !es
[01:18] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:18] <underdog5004> !es
[01:18] <underdog5004> lol
[01:18] <tuco> lost sorry Intel
[01:18] <rodrigo_> o portugueses?
[01:19] <Lynoure> !pt
[01:19] <ubotu> pt is Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[01:19] <DaSkreech> !TG
[01:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tg - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:19] <DaSkreech> !info frozenbuble
[01:19] <intelikey> !xorg | holotone
[01:20] <ubotu> Package frozenbuble does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[01:20] <ubotu> holotone: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:20] <DaSkreech> !info frozenbubble
[01:20] <tuco> need to register for pm Intel :-(
[01:20] <ubotu> Package frozenbubble does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[01:20] <DaSkreech> !info frozen-bubble
[01:20] <ubotu> frozen-bubble: Pop out the bubbles !. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.0.0-6ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 72 kB, installed size 356 kB
[01:20] <DaSkreech> !info frozen-bubble feisty
[01:20] <ubotu> frozen-bubble: Pop out the bubbles !. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.1.0-1 (feisty), package size 150 kB, installed size 712 kB
[01:20] <intelikey> so don't pm me.
[01:20] <DaSkreech> yay! :)
[01:20] <tuco> sudo: /var/lib/dpkg/lock: command not found
[01:20] <DaSkreech> Go version 2.0
[01:21] <intelikey> tuco you are not typing what i tell you.   neither are you copy & pasting it....
[01:21] <badpenguin4543> !beryl
[01:21] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:22] <holotone> intelikey: When following these instructions:
[01:22] <tuco> I am lost mate, don't get grumpy!
[01:22] <holotone>  sudo aticonfig
[01:22] <holotone> I get aticonfig not found
[01:22] <intelikey> left mouse button highlight.    then middle (or both if you only have two) button paste.
[01:22] <holotone> and apt-get aticonfig says package not found
[01:22] <gigione> how can i install my canon pixma ip 1500 under kubuntu edgy x86_64??
[01:22] <gigione> ??
[01:22] <gigione> pls
[01:23] <tuco> so I type fuser /var/lib/apt/lists/lock followed by what please?
[01:23] <intelikey> holotone i didn't write the instructions.   just knew what bot call to send you.
[01:23] <gigione> i tried for a week now?
[01:24] <gigione> no luck
[01:24] <intelikey> tuco no.   don't type any of that.  type this.      fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[01:24] <intelikey> note.  /var/lib/apt/lists/lock != /var/lib/dpkg/lock     also    sudo != fuser
[01:25] <gigione> could anyone tell me please how can i install my canon pixma ip 1500 under kubuntu edgy x86_64??
[01:25] <tuco> I pressed enter and it looks like I need to type something else now
[01:25] <tuco> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6306
[01:26] <nagyv> DaSkreech: on the frozen bubble website you can find edgy ports http://www.frozen-bubble.org/downloads/
[01:28] <intelikey> ok. tuco   if (1) you did this command eariler   fuser /var/lib/apt/lists/lock   and it returned nothing.   (2) then you did this command    fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock    and it returned nothing.  and that's whay your pastebin says.     then (3) do this now and see what it says.              sudo apt-get update
[01:29] <jrattner> Question: How do I create a seperate "kicker" on the top of my screen?
[01:30] <tuco> same as before...stuck at 30% with a connection timed out!!!
[01:31] <tuco> Do you want to check my sources list or something?
[01:31] <intelikey> ok tuco do        less /etc/apt/sources.list        and pastebin that.
[01:31] <intelikey> yes
[01:32] <intelikey> note the "less" command is a text reader/pager you can scroll up & down in it.
[01:32] <intelikey> q to quit less.
[01:33] <coreymon77> guys
[01:33] <coreymon77> my sou d jsut quit on me
[01:33] <coreymon77> sound*
[01:33] <tuco> when I typed the command you asked above: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/630
[01:33] <intelikey> kmenu > system settings > sound server
[01:34] <intelikey> restart
[01:34] <coreymon77> where is this sound server?
[01:34] <coreymon77> all i see is sound system
[01:34] <intelikey> jrattner did you try right clicking the desktop and adding a new panel
[01:34] <intelikey> coreymon77 yes sound system
[01:35] <coreymon77> okay
[01:35] <coreymon77> now what
[01:35] <coreymon77> im in the sound system settings
[01:35] <intelikey> restart it    see the button
[01:35] <coreymon77> nope
[01:35] <jrattner> intelikey, i don't see the option to add a new panel
[01:35] <intelikey> or disable && enable   it  which ever your version has.
[01:35] <coreymon77> all i see is a test sound button
[01:36] <intelikey> jrattner must i start a gui  to find that for you ?
[01:36] <DaSkreech> nagyv: cool Thanks :)
[01:36] <DaSkreech> nagyv: No dapper ports?
[01:36] <jrattner> intelikey, no just give me the proper folder or divisional hierarchy
[01:37] <coreymon77> intelikey: nope
[01:37] <coreymon77> intelikey: still nothing
[01:37] <intelikey> jrattner try right clicking the panel then and look there
[01:37] <nagyv> DaSkreech: nobody on the net :( they have it also
[01:37] <jrattner> intelikey, ok i got it :)
[01:37] <intelikey> coreymon77 hmm interesting.   ok check the wiki    here i'll summon the bot for you.
[01:37] <intelikey> !sound | coreymon77
[01:37] <ubotu> coreymon77: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[01:38] <nagyv> DaSkreech: but I can not find out how to switch off its music
[01:38] <DaSkreech> nagyv: yeah I know
[01:38] <intelikey> jrattner for future referance   in kde right click everything.
[01:38] <intelikey> :)
[01:38] <DaSkreech> nagyv: Everytime I start it up work stops and everyone jumps into the game
[01:39] <DaSkreech> no way to practice in peace :-(
[01:39] <nagyv> :)
[01:39] <jrattner> intelikey, sounds good, im just attempting to make the switch from gnome to kde
[01:39] <jrattner> i hope i like it
[01:40] <tuco> so did you find something odd Intel?
[01:40] <intelikey> jrattner if you like configuring things you'll love is.   also  hit  [alt] +[f2]   and type in   kcontrol   hit [enter] 
[01:41] <intelikey> s/is/it
[01:41] <marco__> ragazzi...
[01:41] <marco__> c' nessuno??
[01:41] <intelikey> tuco i missed the url...
[01:41] <jrattner> intelikey, this is going to be another dumb one, but how do i make the size change
[01:41] <intelikey> tuco looking.
[01:41] <tuco> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/630
[01:41] <intelikey> tuco looking.
[01:41] <tuco> ok mate
[01:41] <intelikey> jrattner right click on it.
[01:42] <intelikey> tuco yes i surely did.
[01:42] <jrattner> intelikey, i did but when i go to advance and type size it doesnt effect it
[01:42] <intelikey> tuco do this    lsb-release -a      and tell me is it  edgy  ?
[01:43] <jrattner> intelikey, i mean, it changes the size of both panels
[01:43] <intelikey> jrattner this is not gnome.  have to apply changes.
[01:43] <tuco> in konsole?
[01:43] <intelikey> tuco yes
[01:43] <tuco> do I have to type sudo each before entering the command?
[01:43] <intelikey> jrattner hmmm i'm not sure on seperate sizes...
[01:43] <intelikey> no
[01:44] <intelikey> tuco no
[01:44] <tuco> it says command not found!
[01:45] <intelikey> type  lsb    and hit the tab key
[01:45] <intelikey> it should list all commands starting with lsb
[01:45] <tuco> codename:edgy :-)
[01:45] <intelikey> ok.
[01:45] <Schuenemann> can I erase my boot with fdisk /mbr ?
[01:46] <coreymon77> intelikey: that site doesnt help
[01:46] <tuco> I've downloaded the iso this morning so it can ony be it
[01:46] <coreymon77> intelikey: that site is only if your sound doesnt work in the first plac
[01:46] <coreymon77> e
[01:46] <coreymon77> my sound was working before
[01:46] <coreymon77> but all of a sudden quit on me
[01:46] <Schuenemann> !boot
[01:46] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[01:47] <intelikey> tuco make your  /etc/apt/sources.list file look like that one.
[01:47] <intelikey> coreymon77 what did you do that caused sound to fail ?
[01:47] <snikker> someone have used k3b with verbatim dvd+r?
[01:48] <Schuenemann> I've used with dvd-r
[01:48] <coreymon77> intelikey: absolutely nothing, it went choppy on me and then just copped ouy
[01:48] <Schuenemann> should be the same, I believe
[01:48] <coreymon77> out*
[01:48] <tuco> which one Intel?
[01:48] <intelikey> tuco which one ?    which one what ?
[01:48] <tuco> tuco make your  /etc/apt/sources.list file look like that one.???
[01:48] <intelikey> coreymon77 you need a crimsun
[01:48] <underdog5004> heh, I just discovered kasbar...it kicks ass...now I can hide my kickker
[01:49] <coreymon77> intelikey: a what?
[01:49] <intelikey> tuco the one i just sent you
[01:49] <tuco> Aha
[01:49] <Schuenemann> does fdisk /mbr erase my boot?
[01:49] <intelikey> coreymon77 if he's around he'll answer.
[01:49] <Schuenemann> if not, how do I do that?
[01:49] <tuco> Can I do that in adept?
[01:50] <coreymon77> intelikey: what are you talking about
[01:50] <intelikey> Schuenemann yes fdisk /mbr will write a new mbr to the first hdd
[01:50] <Schuenemann> intelikey, without any boot options, so it will automatically start hda1 ?
[01:51] <intelikey> Schuenemann if hda1 is bootable   yes
[01:51] <Linux_Galore> is there an "human readable" howto for kmail filtering, most of the ones Im reading just confuse the crap out of me
[01:51] <Schuenemann> intelikey, just to make sure, we're talking about bash's fdisk command, not dos', right?
[01:51] <intelikey> Schuenemann no.
[01:52] <tuco> I have gb before archive Intel. Shall I remove it?
[01:52] <Schuenemann> no?
[01:52] <intelikey> Schuenemann /mbr is not a device node
[01:52] <Schuenemann> so how do I that on linux?
[01:52] <Schuenemann> how do I do that
[01:52] <intelikey> Schuenemann you would need a dos mbr and dd it to the disk.
[01:53] <coreymon77> holy cow
[01:53] <coreymon77> that could be it
[01:53] <Schuenemann> huh? I can't erase my boot on linux?
[01:53] <intelikey> Schuenemann better to boot to hda1 and use that os to fix your mbr
[01:53] <coreymon77> every single one of the kmix files in ,kde/share/config have disappeared
[01:54] <Schuenemann> how, that's... weird
[01:55] <coreymon77> that could be a problem
[01:55] <Gaz> what is the command for removing downloaded adept packages (in konsole) ?
[01:55] <underdog5004> sudo apt-get remove --purge package_name
[01:55] <cpk1> Gaz: uninstall or get rid of the packages?
[01:55] <Gaz> get rid
[01:56] <Lynoure> Gaz: sudo apt-get clean  if you mean the cache of downloaded packages
[01:56] <intelikey> sudo apt-get clean    to remove the cached packages   or   sudo apt-get remove packagename  to uninstall them
[01:56] <Gaz> thats the one
[01:56] <Gaz> thanks :)
[01:56] <cpk1> Gaz: aptitude clean
[01:56] <intelikey> i'm too lazy to use aptitude
[01:57] <coreymon77> intelikey: could that be a problem
[01:57] <cpk1> its easier to type apti <tab> than apt- <tab> =P
[01:57] <cpk1> acutally apt-g <tab>
[01:57] <intelikey> coreymon77 idk.   konsole >  sudo alsamixer
[01:58] <coreymon77> intelikey: that works
[01:58] <roby1973> hi
[01:58] <intelikey> cpk1 it's easier for me to type urpmi to install than apt-get install   or aptitude install
[01:58] <coreymon77> but could all the config files for kmix not being there be a slight problem and a reason as too why my sound is not working?
[01:59] <intelikey> coreymon77 shouldn't be.
[01:59] <intelikey> coreymon77 if you remove ~/.kde/share/config   kde will just use all the system defaults
[02:00] <coreymon77> why isnt my sound working!!!
[02:00] <intelikey> coreymon77 and running kmix and changing volumes should write a new config
[02:01] <gigione> could anyone tell me please how can i install my canon pixma ip 1500 under kubuntu edgy x86_64??
[02:01] <gigione> plase
[02:01] <gigione> please*
[02:01] <Mena> i have a problem with conecting in msn
[02:01] <Mena> with kopete
[02:01] <Mena> any idea
[02:01] <Mena> i went to kopete room to answer
[02:02] <gigione> at least point me to a tutorial
[02:02] <intelikey> gigione  kmenu > system settings > periferals > printers
[02:02] <Mena> no*
[02:03] <intelikey> !printer | gigione
[02:03] <ubotu> gigione: Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[02:03] <tuco> Intel is the gb before archive important? And do I have to add that line:deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu edgy-commercial main
[02:03] <intelikey> some people print with letters, ubuntu prints with cups
[02:04] <snikker> gigione: try here: http://mambo.kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takushi/#canon
[02:04] <intelikey> tuco the two letter country code just indicates which mirror to use.
[02:04] <intelikey> coreymon77 if i had the answers to that, i would have already given them.
[02:05] <intelikey> coreymon77 you can ask in  #buutnu   ##linux   and  #kde
[02:06] <intelikey> ##linuxhelp also
[02:06] <tuco> ok what about the last line then?
[02:06] <intelikey> tuco not needed
[02:06] <tuco> well I am stuck at 26% now
[02:07] <tuco> I mean I am connected to the web and here on the irc. Why can't the updates work damn it!
[02:09] <Wiglyworm> Um.. are there different ndis wrappers for different versions of linux?
[02:10] <intelikey> compiled different  yes
[02:10] <tuco> Geez I am giving up on that one.
[02:11] <Wiglyworm> I was told I should install it to get my wireless card working.. I don't have my live CD.. so I'm looking to download it.
[02:11] <Wiglyworm> And, saddly, I'm a giant linux newb.
[02:11] <linopil> howto rekonfigure alsa from command line ?( something similar to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg maybe ?)
[02:12] <coreymon77> Wiglyworm: you shouldnt even be using ndiswrapper unless you absolutely have to
[02:12] <intelikey> linopil as[tab] 
[02:13] <Wiglyworm> Well... my wireless card isn't recognized, it doesn't seem.
[02:13] <intelikey> or is it ac[tab]  ...
[02:13] <coreymon77> what card?
[02:13] <tuco> anybody can help me with getting updates to work please? Thanks in advance.
 linopil as[tab]   >> as[tab]  ?
[02:13] <intelikey> [tab]    means  hit the tab key
[02:13] <Wiglyworm> It's a buffalo buffalo wli2-pci-g54s
[02:14] <Wiglyworm> er.. oops, but yeah.
[02:14] <linopil> yes but tab what intelikey
[02:14] <v0taguz> Anybody know about the location for configuration net files
[02:14] <coreymon77> Wiglyworm: can you give me the manufacturers site for it?
[02:14] <cpk1> Wiglyworm: didnt you already get it working before? i remember helping someone with the same exact card the other day
[02:14] <intelikey> linopil tab completion of command line editing     type   as[tab] [tab] 
[02:15] <Wiglyworm> sure, one sec.
[02:15] <linopil> OK OK that answers what q. above intelikey about reconfigure sound ?
[02:15] <Wiglyworm> http://www.buffalotech.com/products/wireless/wireless-g-125-high-speed/wireless-g-125-high-speed-pci-adapter/
[02:15] <Wiglyworm> Goin AFK... be back in one sec.
[02:15] <_raymond_house_> hello all. is anyone here familiar with loadlin?
[02:15] <intelikey> linopil but i also said it maybe    ac[tab] [tab]      something that starts with    a     and has   conf in it...
[02:16] <coreymon77> asoundconf?
[02:16] <intelikey> linopil yes configuring alsa   asoundconf
[02:17] <intelikey> when you get the name right you use the man pages...
[02:17] <coreymon77> intelikey: and what would that do?
[02:18] <coreymon77> i used asoundconf reset-default-card and it still didnt work
[02:18] <intelikey> coreymon77 in answer to how to reconfigure alsa  "<linopil> howto rekonfigure alsa from command line ?( something similar to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg maybe ?)"
[02:18] <linopil> coreymon77:  pls cat /proc/asound/cards
[02:19] <coreymon77> intelikey: and that was so linopil could tell it to me
[02:19] <intelikey> well there ya go.
[02:19] <linopil> ha intelikey brings me aspell
[02:20] <coreymon77> intelikey: and it didnt work
[02:20] <linopil> coreymon77:  pls cat /proc/asound/cards
[02:20] <coreymon77> coreymon@kubuntu:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards
[02:20] <coreymon77> ]  0 [Live           ] : EMU10K1 - SBLive! Value [CT4780] 
[02:20] <coreymon77>                       SBLive! Value [CT4780]  (rev.7, serial:0x80221102) at 0xece0, irq 185
[02:21] <WiglyWorm> Sorry about that.. back.
[02:21] <intelikey> linopil it's    asoundconf     man asoundconf    but i doubt that coreymon77's problem is at that level.  more like a kde issue.    one could test with  alsamixer   and  cat /dev/urandom >> /dev/dsp
[02:22] <linopil> coreymon77: coreymon77:  pls cat /proc/asound/cards
[02:22] <linopil> good sorry
[02:23] <linopil> coreymon77:  alsamixer now
[02:23] <coreymon77> okay
[02:24] <linopil> dont forget to sudo /etc/init.d/./alsa-utils start snd_emu10k1 coreymon77
[02:24] <coreymon77> it just gave me a mixer thing
[02:24] <linopil> okay what coreymon77
[02:24] <linopil> yes
[02:24] <intelikey> check the volumes for  master   and  dsp  and are not muted
[02:24] <linopil> coreymon77:  your card name emu10k1 on top
[02:25] <linopil> good luck coreymon77
[02:25] <badpenguin4543> does anyone know what to do about the bug in kubuntu concerning the xscreensavers/kdehoos not showing up in the list of screensavers?
[02:25] <coreymon77>  Card: SBLive! Value [CT4780]                                                  
[02:25] <coreymon77>  Chip: TriTech TR28602
[02:25] <linopil> so far so good coreymon77
[02:25] <coreymon77> master isnt muted
[02:25] <coreymon77> but whats dsp?
[02:25] <coreymon77> there is no dsp
[02:26] <intelikey> pcm
[02:26] <intelikey> my bad.
[02:26] <intelikey> thinking two many things at once
[02:26] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: what does lshw say about the businfo for your wireless card?
[02:26] <linopil> coreymon77: carefully play with arrow keys in alsamixer
[02:26] <linopil> pcm and master must be up coreymon77
[02:27] <coreymon77> master and pcm are both on 100
[02:27] <linopil> OK
[02:27] <WiglyWorm> I... wish I knew... I'm not 100% sure what that means...
[02:27] <coreymon77> still nothing
[02:27] <intelikey> well turn them down to about 75%   and   do this    cat /dev/urandom >> /dev/dsp
[02:28] <intelikey> ^c  to stop it.
[02:28] <coreymon77> nothing
[02:28] <jhutchins> coreymon77: Try messing with the ballance.
[02:28] <coreymon77> which balance
[02:28] <coreymon77> there are a ton of them
[02:28] <jhutchins> coreymon77: (You're sure the speakers are plugged into the right jack and working, aren't you?)
[02:29] <_raymond_house_> !linld
[02:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linld - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:29] <coreymon77> jhutchins: yes, i am sure of that
[02:29] <jhutchins> I've got an sb live gold, only one ballance control.
[02:29] <intelikey> coreymon77 really stupid Q  but you don't have pets in there do you ?   or could you have been on the wires ?
[02:29] <coreymon77> intelikey: i just checked my wires
[02:29] <jhutchins> coreymon77: What happens if you cat /boot/vmlinuz | /dev/dsp?
[02:29] <coreymon77> there is no problem
[02:29] <tuco> Well I can't seem to make things work...getting tired. 39% is as much as it can go!
[02:30] <jhutchins> tuco: What servers are you trying now?
[02:30] <tuco> Ah Hutch!
[02:30] <coreymon77> bash: /dev/dsp: Permission denied
[02:30] <tuco> same gb
[02:30] <coreymon77> bash: /boot/vmlinuz: No such file or directory
[02:30] <intelikey> jhutchins why would the kernel be any better than urandom ?
[02:31] <_raymond_house_> !loadlin
[02:31] <ubotu> loadlin: a loader (running under DOS) for LINUX kernel images. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.6c.really1.6c-1 (edgy), package size 43 kB, installed size 136 kB (Only available for i386 amd64)
[02:31] <jhutchins> intelikey: Sometimes I don't get any output from urandom, and the kernel sounds kinda neat.
[02:31] <intelikey> lol
[02:31] <jhutchins> tuco: Ok, time to move on to France or Swizerland.
[02:31] <coreymon77> jhutchins: there is no "balance" in alsa mixer
[02:32] <tuco> I can't kill adept proces. Says insufficient permissions!
[02:32] <tuco> I need the list for france ot switz Hutchins.
[02:32] <coreymon77> jhutchins: i did that command you wanted
[02:32] <coreymon77> jhutchins: do you want to know what it gave me?
[02:33] <jhutchins> coreymon77: I saw.
[02:33] <jhutchins> It's interesting that you don't have access to /dev/dsp, that could be where the problem is.
[02:33] <coreymon77> and what is this balance that you are talking about
[02:33] <WiglyWorm> Okay.... I'm restarting into linux on my other computer.. could someone please take me through what I need to do to get this working?
[02:33] <_raymond_house_> !man loadlin
[02:33] <jhutchins> coreymon77: ls -l /dev/dsp
[02:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about man loadlin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:33] <jhutchins> coreymon77: There's a balance in kmix.
[02:33] <coreymon77> jhutchins: i even tried it with sudo and it still didnt work\
[02:33] <coreymon77> acess denied
[02:33] <jhutchins> coreymon77: On my kubuntu box with a wierd on-board sound chip, I have to move it off center to get any sound out.
[02:34] <jhutchins> coreymon77: sudo then - sudo ls -l /dev/dsp
[02:34] <coreymon77> coreymon@kubuntu:~$ ls -l /dev/dsp
[02:34] <coreymon77> crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2007-02-17 18:51 /dev/dsp
[02:35] <MotorCityMadMan> Is there a KPDF plugin for konqeror for viewing inside ?
[02:35] <jhutchins> coreymon77: Ok, "groups".  Look for audio.
[02:35] <tuco> Ah man this is going nowhere. I can't kill adept process because of insufficient permissions! What?!
[02:35] <jhutchins> tuco: sudo.
[02:35] <coreymon77> ya
[02:35] <jhutchins> tuco: Remember, it's running as root.
[02:35] <coreymon77> i see audio
[02:35] <jhutchins> tuco: Also, you can eliminate a possible source for errors by using apt-get update instead of adept.
[02:36] <coreymon77> jhutchins: i see audio
[02:36] <jhutchins> coreymon77: Ok, you're a member of audio, but you can't access /dev/dsp?  That's not right.
[02:36] <coreymon77> wait a sec
[02:36] <tuco> Hutch my problem is that neither adept or apt-get update function
[02:36] <coreymon77> let me see if it works in a second account
[02:36] <coreymon77> two seconds
[02:36] <tuco> so how do I kill adept from sudo?
[02:36] <jhutchins> tuco: Right. THey hang, because your servers are teh suxx0rs.
[02:37] <jhutchins> tuco: ps ax | grep adept, the sudo kill -HUP <process number of adept>
[02:37] <tuco> Hey Huh?
[02:37] <DaSkreech> !msn
[02:37] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[02:37] <tuco> hey huh for the suxxors thingy
[02:37] <jhutchins> Oh.  Ctrl-Alt-Esc, click the skull and crossbones on it.
[02:37] <intelikey> jhutchins sudo killall adept
[02:37] <jhutchins> intelikey: Thanks.
[02:38] <intelikey> jhutchins or sudo fuser -k /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[02:38] <jhutchins> intelikey Hm.
[02:38] <intelikey> should get any of the package managers
[02:38] <WiglyWorm> Okay... now what was the question.. about what does something say about my wireless card?
[02:38] <linopil> whazup coreymon77 ?
[02:38] <intelikey> frontends
[02:39] <tuco> when I type sudo killall adept it says no process killed
[02:39] <linopil> bye bye
[02:39] <coreymon77> wait a sec
[02:39] <coreymon77> i deleted the second account
[02:39] <jhutchins> I gotta go eat guys, keep tryin!  tuco, You might get some sleep, I'll be back around 15:00 GMT tomorrow.
[02:39] <intelikey> tuco try the second one.
[02:39] <intelikey>  sudo fuser -k /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[02:39] <linopil> nope
[02:39] <linopil> sleepy sleepy
[02:39] <DaSkreech> MotorCityMadMan: Hello?
[02:40] <tuco> I did
[02:40] <linopil> meet me other day and gave you IMs there
[02:40] <tuco> no process killed! Arf
[02:40] <MotorCityMadMan> DaSkreech|Yes
[02:40] <intelikey> and adept is open tuco  ???
[02:40] <DaSkreech> Konqueror should be able to read pdfs already
[02:40] <tuco> nope
[02:41] <intelikey> what did i miss....    oh never mind.
[02:41] <linopil> g'night intelikey
[02:41] <tuco> I mean there must be something blocking somewhere
[02:41] <intelikey> linopil
[02:42] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: do lshw and find your wireless card and see what it says about businfo
[02:42] <MotorCityMadMan> DaSkreech|i opened a pdf file from web page and a download screen popup showed.
[02:42] <DaSkreech> Really?
[02:43] <tuco> Looks like I wont solve this today. Anyone in UK with updates working?
[02:44] <DaSkreech> MotorCityMadMan: can you go to settings-> configure Konqueror-> File associations for me
[02:44] <MotorCityMadMan> DaSkreech|there
[02:44] <intelikey> tuco did you try with the sources.list i sent you ?     not adding  gb.   ?
[02:44] <DaSkreech> Ok in the search box type pdf
[02:44] <tuco> yes
[02:44] <DaSkreech> it should get rid of everythign but application
[02:45] <DaSkreech>  expand that and click on pdf
[02:45] <_raymond_house_> anyone familiar with loadlin or linld?
[02:45] <tuco> but it didn't do anything
[02:45] <DaSkreech> On the right you should have two tabs click on embedding and tell me what it says
[02:45] <intelikey> tuco ok  sorry we didn't fix it then.
[02:45] <MotorCityMadMan> DaSkreech|done
[02:45] <WiglyWorm> cpk: is this what you wanted? "pci@00:09.0"?
[02:45] <coreymon77> nope
[02:45] <coreymon77> doesnt work in the second account either
[02:46] <intelikey> tuco "but it didn't do anything"  meaning no change ?    or meaning  it literally didn't do anything ?
[02:46] <tuco> Can I copy and paste yor source list in mine and save it?
[02:46] <tuco> Well fiddling with it got me at 39%
[02:46] <MotorCityMadMan> DaSkreech|show file in embedded viewer
[02:46] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: what else does it say about the card?
[02:46] <tuco> I can't open adept anymore because it is stuck in many processes
[02:47] <DaSkreech> And the list at the bottom of that tab has kpdf_part at the top?
[02:47] <intelikey> tuco you can   or even more simplely, you could  sudo cp sources.list /etc/apt     from the dir where the new file exists
[02:47] <badpenguin4543> for some reason, xscreensavers are not showing up in my list of screensavers....   does someone knoe of a work around for this??
[02:47] <DaSkreech> tuco: sudo killall adept
[02:47] <WiglyWorm> That's all it says on that card. It does say on the top line:
[02:47] <coreymon77> jhutchins: sound doesnt work in newly created second account either
[02:47] <MotorCityMadMan> DaSkreech|yes
[02:47] <WiglyWorm> "network:0 dasabled"
[02:47] <DaSkreech> MotorCityMadMan: It should work then
[02:48] <DaSkreech> what is the URL of the site?
[02:48] <MotorCityMadMan> will try again. don't remember as that was early in the day
[02:48] <tuco> it says no process killed! :-(
[02:48] <DaSkreech> MotorCityMadMan: alright let me know if it still doesn't work
[02:49] <tuco> Sorry Intel I copy and paste your source where?
[02:49] <MotorCityMadMan> <-is looking for a pdf file for DL
[02:49] <WiglyWorm> Annnd, it's saying the vendor is "broadcom BCM4306" card.. which it isn't. It's a buffalo wli2-pci-g54s
[02:49] <coreymon77> jhutchins: is it a problem that i dont have access to that file
[02:49] <coreymon77> and neither does root
[02:49] <intelikey> tuco you wont be able to copy that file to that location as a normal user    /etc/apt/
[02:50] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: do lspci -n and then find the line that starts with 00:09.0 and paste that line
[02:50] <tuco> Ok I am confused now.
[02:50] <intelikey> tuco if you can see the file i sent you from the console   ls    then you can    sudo cp sources.list /etc/apt
[02:51] <tuco> it does nothing
[02:51] <WiglyWorm> lspci -n
[02:51] <coreymon77> jhutchins: help
[02:51] <intelikey> tuco how do you know ?     no error means no error.
[02:51] <MotorCityMadMan> DaSkreech| working now. maybe it was just that one site/ ty for your help as i did learn something new from you @$@
[02:51] <_raymond_house_> #boot
[02:51] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: yes in a terminal
[02:51] <DaSkreech> MotorCityMadMan: That's my intention
[02:52] <intelikey> tuco you can do     cat /etc/apt/sources.list      to see what your file now looks like.
[02:52] <tuco> in konsole right?
[02:52] <intelikey> yes
[02:53] <WiglyWorm> cpk: do you want -pci9?
[02:53] <justin_> Hey guys
[02:53] <justin_> Does anyone know where I can get a hold of windows video drivers (w32codecs)?
[02:53] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: what?
[02:53] <WiglyWorm> because I'm not seeing a line that starts wuth "00:09.0"
[02:53] <justin_> Or is that all I need to play movies with Kaffeine?
[02:53] <_raymond_house_> !adept
[02:54] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[02:54] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: pastebin the output of lspci -n
[02:54] <badpenguin4543> for some reason, xscreensavers are not showing up in my list of screensavers....   does someone knoe of a work around for this??
[02:54] <DaSkreech> !w32codecs | justin_
[02:54] <ubotu> justin_: Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[02:54] <WiglyWorm> nm.. I found it..
[02:54] <justin_> Is w32codecs all I need to install? or do I need something else?
[02:54] <badpenguin4543> !xscreensavers
[02:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xscreensavers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:54] <DaSkreech> !codecs | justin_
[02:54] <ubotu> justin_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:55] <tuco> Intel: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6321/
[02:55] <intelikey> w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb ?
[02:55] <WiglyWorm> 00:09.0 0280: 14e4:4310 (rev o3)
[02:55] <cpk1> hrmm thats not on the ndiswrapper list...
[02:56] <WiglyWorm> I'm sorry (using 2 computers to do this) it's 14e4:4320
[02:56] <_raymond_house_> !loadlin man
[02:56] <justin_> I thnk so
[02:56] <ubotu> loadlin: a loader (running under DOS) for LINUX kernel images. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.6c.really1.6c-1 (edgy), package size 43 kB, installed size 136 kB (Only available for i386 amd64)
[02:56] <intelikey> tuco what command did you issue to get that ?
[02:56] <tuco> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:57] <intelikey> tuco if so then that's the reason you can't get anywhere.
[02:57] <tuco> why?
[02:58] <intelikey> tuco do this     find ./ -name sources.list -exec cat {} \;
[02:58] <intelikey> and pastebin that.
[02:59] <tuco> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/632
[02:59] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: is this a laptop? what kind if it is?
[02:59] <KanRiNiN> Hey, I'm having trouble mounting HDs.  I couldn't get fstab to work correctly so I used the disk manager in Kubutu's system settings and they mount but when I click on them, both ntfs with ntfs installed, it says I don't have sufficient permissions
[02:59] <WiglyWorm> No, it's a desktop.
[02:59] <KanRiNiN> thanks in advance for any help
[02:59] <intelikey> tuco ok do this       find ./ -name sources.list -exec sudo cp {} /etc/apt/ \;
[02:59] <WiglyWorm> Did you get my correction, cpk? I made a typo.
[03:00] <intelikey> unless that gives errors tuco,  do this      sudo apt-get update
[03:00] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: yes i did, there are tons of cards with the pciid 14e4:4320 =\
[03:00] <WiglyWorm> I can give you the manufacturer and the model number.
[03:02] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: WLI2-PCI-G54 right?
[03:02] <scoates> hi
[03:02] <tuco> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6324/
[03:02] <WiglyWorm> g54s.
[03:02] <scoates> when I sleep (ACPI S3), then wake up, the revival can take anywhere from 30s to 10 mins. Is there any way for me to make this consistently fast?
[03:02] <intelikey> tuco do you have adept open ?
[03:03] <tuco> I can't kill the 5 adept processes dude
[03:03] <tuco> it says no process kill!
[03:03] <tuco> sudo killall adept doesn't do it
[03:04] <intelikey> tuco sudo fuser -k /var/lib/dpkg/lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[03:04] <_raymond_house_> #loadlin
[03:04] <tuco> gives me 7545
[03:05] <_raymond_house_> is there a channel for booting?
[03:05] <intelikey> tuco did adept close ?
[03:05] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: you have ndiswrapper installed already?
[03:06] <tuco> yes
[03:06] <intelikey> tuco   sudo apt-get update
[03:06] <WiglyWorm> no I do not. I have the ndis wrapper as a tar.gz on a CD-ROM...
[03:06] <WiglyWorm> I don't have my live CD, so I can't install with adept.\
[03:07] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: this doesnt have a wired connection?
[03:07] <_raymond_house_> #ubuntu
[03:07] <WiglyWorm> Not without taking the whole computer downstairs.
[03:08] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: and you dont have an install cd?
[03:08] <tuco> 0% connecting to archive.ubuntu....
[03:08] <WiglyWorm> Not handy. :(
[03:08] <tuco> connection timed out again
[03:08] <coreymon77> my sound is still not working
[03:09] <tuco> Man I am going to cut one leg and then go to bed for now. I will try tomorrow again, it is getting tiresome now.
[03:09] <intelikey> tuco   find ./ -name sources.list -exec cat {} \;
[03:10] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: well does the computer have build-essential on it?
[03:10] <KanRiNiN> Anyone tried Kubuntu Feisty yet_
[03:10] <tuco> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6325/
[03:10] <WiglyWorm> I.. don't know? It's pretty much an install off the live CD.
[03:10] <intelikey> tuco i think i know what you've been doing.   you have edited /etc/apt/sources.list with adept running and then close adept and it's saving the copy it had read back to /etc/apt/sources.list  ....     maybe.
[03:11] <tuco> you think?
[03:11] <tuco> I mean I have no clues anymore about what I did
[03:11] <intelikey> tuco i think.    cat /etc/apt/sources.list      and compare to that you just posted.
[03:12] <BluesKaj> just sudo aptititude or apt-get install design-essentails
[03:12] <intelikey> if they are the same.   then no.    if they differ   then yes.  that's what has been killing you.
[03:12] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: then you are going to have trouble installing from a tar
[03:12] <BluesKaj> er essentials
[03:12] <tuco> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6327
[03:12] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: you have a usb key?
[03:13] <intelikey> tuco ok that's not it.
[03:13] <WiglyWorm> e.g. jump drive?
[03:13] <DaSkreech> KanRiNiN: Feisty rocks :)
[03:13] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Didn't the name of adept change to adept_manager or somethign?
[03:13] <tuco> so it's all bad then?1
[03:13] <intelikey> tuco shut down and go to bed.   maybe tomarrow things will work better.
[03:13] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: some way to transfer files easily and quickly =)
[03:13] <tuco> Amen.
[03:14] <WiglyWorm> ok. Yes. I do.
[03:14] <tuco> Thanks for your help mate anyway.
[03:14] <intelikey> some times you eat the bear, some times the bear eats you.
[03:14] <scoates> in dmesg, is the first field a timestamp?
[03:14] <tuco> and sometimes....well there aren't any sometimes.
[03:14] <intelikey> tuco at least now your sources.list file is good.
[03:14] <coreymon77> jhutchins: can you help me with my sound?\
[03:14] <tuco> you sure?
[03:14] <intelikey> yes
[03:15] <_raymond_house_> klgjdf gkljsdfogh sgbjkps dlfkvbhpxi gfzl'fjl xig
[03:15] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: then download these and get them onto the other box http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/misc/ndiswrapper-common http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/misc/ndiswrapper-utils-1.8
[03:16] <tuco> Ah well I go to bed now./ Cheerios dude.
[03:16] <samiam010203> anyone in here know how to register your irc nick ?
[03:16] <intelikey> /msg nickserv help
[03:16] <DaSkreech> !register
[03:16] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[03:16] <intelikey> /msg nickserv help register
[03:16] <samiam010203> thanks
[03:17] <samiam010203>  /msg nickserv help register
[03:17] <intelikey> why you add the space in front of /
[03:17] <intelikey> why you add the space in front of / ???
[03:18] <Omnifrog> space is good
[03:18] <jtmoney> anyone here running freevo?
[03:18] <intelikey> Omnifrog lot funnier when they do that with their password....
[03:18] <jtmoney> hah
[03:19] <_raymond_house_> anyone here know anything about loadlin or linld?
[03:19] <samiam010203> thansk for the info worked like a charme
[03:19] <intelikey> _raymond_house_ loadlin  i
[03:20] <coreymon77> intelikey: can you help with my sound
[03:20] <intelikey> _raymond_house_ what special needs do you have that grub or lilo can't handle ?
[03:20] <intelikey> coreymon77 i don't know much about sound.  we have been through about all i know on the subject
[03:21] <DaSkreech>  /msg nickserv identify betnoonegetsthis
[03:21] <DaSkreech> >_<
[03:21] <_raymond_house_> im trying to boot to kubuntu which is installed on my USB external drive. only problem is my laptop doesn't have USB boot support so i need to boot from DOS
[03:21] <intelikey> and if you tell someone all you know they are sure to be smarter than you.  cause they will know all they know and all you know too....
[03:22] <_raymond_house_> only problem is i dont know if i need to call the linux image by its actual full name or the truncated version dos shows
[03:22] <OlgaB> I'm having a problem with Conky
[03:22] <DaSkreech> intelikey: suppose they knew less than nothing?
[03:22] <klerfayt> I'm lost, I can't find moderators list in kubuntuforums.net
[03:22] <OlgaB> Whenever I run conky it shows three messages at the end of the readout that complain that it could not init font path elements
[03:23] <OlgaB> They're long and uneeded, and they stretch conky out
[03:23] <intelikey> _raymond_house_ with the default *ubuntu kernel+initrd   no way loadlin can work  the kernel + initrd is 6m+   way too big for loadlin.
[03:23] <intelikey> _raymond_house_ the turncated     but like i said.  it won't load.
[03:23] <_raymond_house_> i thought version 1.6 fixed that? what about linld i heard it supports the newer larger kernels over 1mb
[03:23] <WiglyWorm> CPK: alright, I've got them in my /home/chris folder.
[03:24] <DaSkreech> !katapult
[03:24] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[03:24] <intelikey> _raymond_house_ over 1m is not the problem   it's over 4m  and the ubuntu kernel + initrd.img   is well over 4m  it's over 6m
[03:25] <_raymond_house_> 6.2mb together
[03:25] <intelikey> _raymond_house_ it's worth a try.    and if it don't work i'll just say i told you so,   but if it does you can say,   SEE
[03:26] <_raymond_house_> well i think you are right cause it locks up everytime i try using the truncated name and the actual name so..
[03:26] <_raymond_house_> that or im a moron and cant follow the how to
[03:27] <intelikey> it's real simple command      loadlin kernel initrd=initrd.img root=/address
[03:27] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: sudo dpkg -i ndiswrapper-common
[03:28] <intelikey> _raymond_house_ there is a way.   can you boot a cd ?
[03:28] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: after that install the other one too
[03:29] <_raymond_house_> yeah but this is also a project for school to boot kubuntu off a USB external drive connected to a thin client with no CD drive
[03:29] <_raymond_house_> my professor is an evil evil man
[03:29] <cpk1> i used to run my laptop off an external drive with no problem
[03:30] <intelikey> _raymond_house_ you could modify something like the "gparted" cd so that it doesn't load gparted and does a pivot_root  insted
[03:30] <intelikey> thus affectively making it only a boot disk for the installation.
[03:32] <intelikey> _raymond_house_ one other way.  you could roll your own kernel compiling in the usb and ext#fs drivers (assuming ext#) so that you don't need the initrd.img
[03:32] <WiglyWorm> CPK1, okay, I got both installed.
[03:32] <intelikey> _raymond_house_ loadlin could work if the initrd.img wasn't required.
[03:33] <_raymond_house_> unfortunatly im new to linux and that is WAY above my level
[03:33] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: great so ndiswrapper -l should say nothing is installed
[03:33] <WiglyWorm> correct. no drivers installed.
[03:34] <intelikey> _raymond_house_ that's probably why the prof did that.... :)   you don't learn unless you are challanged.
[03:34] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: oops sorry you need this driver too  ftp://ftp.dell.com/network/R81433.EXE
[03:34] <_raymond_house_> yeah good point
[03:34] <coreymon77> oh
[03:34] <coreymon77> i give up
[03:34] <_raymond_house_> and here i thought getting USB support in DOS would be the hard part
[03:34] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: or you could try the drivers you got but they might not work
[03:35] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: as it is i'm not 100% certain with these either =P
[03:35] <WiglyWorm> hm? windows drivers?
[03:35] <intelikey> usb suppord in dos is not even needed if you compile a kernel....
[03:35] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: thats what ndiswrapper does
[03:35] <WiglyWorm> ah, I see.
[03:36] <_raymond_house_> is there a how to for compiliing your own kernel?
[03:36] <WiglyWorm> okay... i'm feeling kind of lazy, I'll use the drivers on the CD...
[03:37] <intelikey> _raymond_house_ many.   i don't have a good link in mind  but there are plenty of them       and the late modle kernels are pretty easy to config  with gui or ncurses interfaces
[03:38] <_raymond_house_> ill try my luck with that
[03:38] <_raymond_house_> thanks for the help
[03:38] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: make a folder like I_will_get_a_card_that_plays_nice_with_linux_next_time or something similiar to put the exe into and then unzip it there
[03:38] <DaSkreech> !kernel
[03:38] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[03:38] <intelikey> _raymond_house_ if you choose that route,   #kernel   is a good place for technical Q.
[03:39] <DaSkreech> Man ubotu is on fire :)
[03:39] <intelikey> DaSkreech one note.  that "probably" expects the use of an initrd.img
[03:40] <ForgeAus> GRRRR vmware didn't tell me it needed reconfiguring when I changed kernels!
[03:40] <ForgeAus> argh!
[03:40] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Which probably?
[03:40] <intelikey> DaSkreech that's _raymond_house_'s reason for building one.   to escape the initrd.img trap.      *the bot link*
[03:41] <cpk1> weeeeeeee
[03:41] <DaSkreech> Ah
[03:41] <intelikey> DaSkreech the kernel + initrd.img is 6m+   can't boot over 4m with loadlin
[03:41] <WiglyWorm> cpk1: wait... oh... you're talking about the .exe from the dell FTP site?
[03:42] <WiglyWorm> Sorry I was navigating the CD that came with my card... this driver is a .sys file.
[03:42] <intelikey> DaSkreech the kernel + initrd.img is 6m+   can't boot over 4m with loadlin    <<< reposted.
[03:42] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: you need a .sys and a .inf
[03:42] <WiglyWorm> Can you help me with that, or should I just use the .exe?
[03:42] <DaSkreech> intelikey: konversation is good at caching
[03:43] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: is there an exe on the cd? is there just one .inf and one .sys?
[03:43] <intelikey> DaSkreech didn't think about the client differance.   just noticed that i posted just before the return to the split'd ones.
[03:44] <DaSkreech> Quick question
[03:44] <DaSkreech> would cdrecord have to support BluRay/HD-DVD for k3b to support them?
[03:44] <WiglyWorm> there are several .sys and .inf files.. and yes, there is an exe.
[03:44] <DaSkreech> it was Q q but whatev
[03:44] <intelikey> probably.
[03:45] <DaSkreech> cdrecord is still maintained other than drivers for drives?
[03:45] <intelikey> heh.   Q q == 'very very fast'     q Q = 'quick question'
[03:46] <DaSkreech> I'll have to google that but I'll  take your word for now
[03:46] <intelikey> as to the drivers for drives Q   idk.
[03:47] <SinfulSource> !lppasswd
[03:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lppasswd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:47] <WiglyWorm> cpk: I'm at the folder with the .sys file needed, unfortunately there's several .inf files. maybe i should just get the dell driver?
[03:47] <WiglyWorm> (there's also an .exe in this folder)
[03:48] <intelikey> ok.   i'm went.
[03:54] <ForgeAus> back
[03:55] <anon2000> hi, this is probably a dumb question, but how do i change network settings in kubuntu? when i try to go to 'administrator mode' in the settings window, it asks me for root password.
[03:55] <cntb> anon2000:  starnge huh ?
[03:55] <crimsun> that would be your /user/ password, i.e., the unprivileged user.
[03:55] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: whats the .exe?
[03:56] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: its alot easier for me to respond if you use my name
[03:56] <anon2000> it doesnt accept my password that i use to logon
[03:56] <WiglyWorm> bwcsrv.exe...
[03:56] <anon2000> i couldve swore it said root password
[03:56] <WiglyWorm> Oh, sorry.
[03:57] <cpk1> that doesnt sound useful
[03:57] <WiglyWorm> There's alot of .exes.
[03:57] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: bcmwl5.inf and .sys?
[03:57] <WiglyWorm> Saddly none of the .sys files match.
[03:57] <WiglyWorm> the .exe
[03:58] <WiglyWorm> Errrr I confused myself. None of the .inf match the .sys I'm supposed to use.
[03:58] <cntb> there is a root password anon2000
[03:59] <cntb> you chose that at install time
[03:59] <cntb> anon2000:  should have written that down
[03:59] <anon2000> the password for my user is the root password?
[03:59] <anon2000> it only ever asked me to set one password
[03:59] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: hrmm
[04:00] <cntb> nope anon2000you can choose those two passwords to be the same string
[04:00] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: is there a R81433.EXE?
[04:00] <anon2000> is that a kubuntu thing? i dont remember having to do that in ubuntu
[04:00] <cpk1> how many .inf are there?
[04:01] <WiglyWorm> there are 4 .infs.
[04:01] <WiglyWorm> Don't worry about it, I'm just downloading the dell .exe you sent a while back. We'll try that.
[04:04] <WiglyWorm> cpk: okay, the r81433.exe file is on my linux box.
[04:06] <jceb> en donde estoy?
[04:07] <jceb> es que estoy manejando me perdi
[04:07] <jceb> linux
[04:07] <jceb> asi que no se!
[04:07] <jceb> en que parte del mundo estoy?
[04:09] <WiglyWorm> Hmm... so *anyone* know what I'm supposed to do with this exe file now that I have the ndis wrapper installed?
[04:12] <cpk1> WiglyWorm: extract it to a foldeer
[04:12] <cpk1> folder even
[04:13] <cpk1> i'm downloading it too so i can see what you are looking at
[04:13] <angasule> !games
[04:13] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[04:16] <AdamF2> Morning all :)  Is there a logical reason apt-index-watch is consuming large chunks of CPU-time every 3 or 4 seconds? It's the first time I've had the 'problem'.
[04:20] <esaym> anybody know a good how to to get ssl running on my a couple of pages of my apache server?
[04:24] <underdog5004> esaym, www.howtoforge.com is good for that.
[04:25] <esaym> lol thanks
[04:26] <angasule> weeeee, I got surround sound to work with OpenAL!
[04:26] <AdamF2> Anyone with any ideas about apt-index-watch ? :)
[04:27] <cpk1> digital surround worked for me out of the box
[04:27] <DaSkreech> cntb: stop doing that please
[04:31] <ixian__> is there synaptic package manager in kubuntu?
[04:32] <ForgeAus> try adept
[04:32] <ForgeAus> you can use synaptic if you want adept is good
[04:32] <ubuntu> alguien habla espa;ol_
[04:32] <stuart> how do I find and kill an "unknown service"?
[04:33] <underdog5004> !es
[04:33] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:36] <stuart> can someone help me with bittorrent problem
[04:38] <DaSkreech> stuart: ask!
[04:38] <DaSkreech> !ayone
[04:38] <DaSkreech> !anyone
[04:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ayone - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:38] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[04:39] <DaSkreech> ixian__: press alt+space -> type ade -> press enter
[04:39] <stuart> DasKreech, what?
[04:39] <DaSkreech> stuart: What's the problem?
[04:40] <stuart> daskreech, some bittorrent thingy is trying to use a port, and restarts itself everytime the machine starts (so firestarteridentifies udp as unknown service)
[04:40] <DaSkreech> right
[04:41] <DaSkreech>  what do you have that's running torrents?
[04:41] <stuart> daskreech, the problem began when i installed and ran bittornado, but I have subsequently removed it
[04:41] <evilh> mwhahahahaha I got kubuntu to boot from DOS
[04:41] <stuart> daskreech, then the problem recurred when i ran azureus
[04:41] <stuart> daskreech, i just don't no how to stop this unwanted service
[04:42] <DaSkreech> Well does azureus start when the computer starts?
[04:42] <stuart> daskreech, i also uninstalled ktorrent, so now synaptic claims nothing bittorrent related is installed
[04:42] <DaSkreech> You uninstalled azureues ?
[04:43] <stuart> daskreech, i uninstalled everything i could find that was bittorrent related, figuring that the thing wouldnt be able to start again
[04:43] <stuart> daskreech, yes via synaptic
[04:43] <DaSkreech> What's Firestarter telling you?
[04:44] <stuart> daskreech, on the events tab there is a growing list of "uknown" services using the udp protocol for a particular port
[04:45] <DaSkreech> torrent port I assume?
[04:45] <stuart> i dont know but i assume so
[04:46] <DaSkreech> which port is it?
[04:46] <stuart> 29294
[04:47] <DaSkreech> hmm
[04:48] <DaSkreech> not heard of that being used by torrent
[04:48] <stuart> daskreech, everything tht's installed has come from official repositories or the extended repositories that "ship" with kubuntu
[04:48] <spawn57> why are there so many complaints about kde on ubuntu on slashdot? all of them are saying that it's slow and bloated on ubuntu but it's much more snappier on other distros like fedora
[04:48] <DaSkreech> ok
[04:49] <stuart> daskreech, and the problem coincided with the bittorrent client trials
[04:49] <DaSkreech> spawn57: h@t3?
[04:49] <DaSkreech> stuart: good sluething
[04:49] <DaSkreech>  how did you remove the applications?
[04:50] <spawn57> DaSkreech: i've haven't noticed a difference but then again, my computer is pretty fast, 3.0GHz
[04:50] <DaSkreech> spawn57: Bet if you asked them to back it with numbers they would choke :)
[04:50] <spawn57> DaSkreech: and i've seen things get better since dapper
[04:50] <DaSkreech> spawn57: granted ubuntu has gotten heavy in recent times
[04:50] <stuart> daskreech: used the completely remove option by right clicking in synaptic
[04:50] <DaSkreech> Maybe they mean KDE on ubuntu instead of kubuntu
[04:51] <DaSkreech> stuart: ok that sounds right
[04:51] <spawn57> DaSkreech: some of them still say kde is slower to gnome which is bollocks.
[04:51] <spawn57> DaSkreech: is there a big difference between kde on ubuntu and kubuntu? I thought all i had to do was install ubuntu and do apt-get install kde-desktop
[04:51] <DaSkreech> spawn57: Just proves that whatever was true 6 months ago in open source is probably false :)
[04:52] <spawn57> spawn57: hehe
[04:52] <spawn57> oops, i just laughed at myself
[04:52] <DaSkreech> spawn57: I don't know I've not done any research into it but I do know that a default Ubuntu install is much heavier than it used to be
[04:52] <spawn57> DaSkreech: ah
[04:52] <stuart> daskreech: i asked firestarter to block activity on port
[04:52] <spawn57> =P
[04:53] <stuart> daskreech, but how would i unblock it in future to see if problem has gone away? there doesn't seem to be a list of ports...
[04:53] <DaSkreech> stuart:  are you comfortable with the terminal /command line?
[04:53] <stuart> daskreech i dont know many commands, but ive used it a bit
[04:54] <shiv> Is there a way if I click on the date on the calendar it brings up any contact manger. I mean can it be used as a real calendar to schedule dates?
[04:54] <DaSkreech> stuart: Ok can you type netstat | grep 29294 on the command line for me
[04:55] <DaSkreech> shiv: There is in Gnome I never thought about it in KDE
[04:56] <stuart> daskreech: at the $ prompt i enter that and get another $ prompt -- no errors or info displayed
[04:56] <shiv> DaSkreech, is it possible in kde?
[04:56] <DaSkreech> stuart: Well doesn't seem to be an open port then
[04:56] <stuart> DaSkreech, is that since i disabled it in firestarter?
[04:56] <DaSkreech> shiv: couldn't tell you. I could pop over to #kde and ask
[04:57] <DaSkreech> shiv: or you could as well :)
[04:57] <DaSkreech> stuart: Seems likely
[04:57] <shiv> DaSkreech, ok thanks I will do that
[04:57] <stuart> DaSkreech: the thing that was trying that port -- is probably still trying and wasting resources?
[04:57] <DaSkreech> How does firestarter block things? By apliaction?
[04:57] <DaSkreech> Application?
[04:57] <stuart> DaSkreech: by port
[04:57] <DaSkreech> Oh so you can unblock that port then?
[04:58] <stuart> DaSkreech: "disable all events on port" i think was the option
[04:58] <stuart> DaSkreech: thats what i can't workout -- it doesn't seem to give me an option to unblock
[04:58] <DaSkreech> !firestater
[04:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about firestater - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:58] <DaSkreech> !firestarter
[04:58] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[04:58] <DaSkreech> :-P
[04:59] <DaSkreech> No cookie for you
[04:59] <tjz> sup
[04:59] <stuart> DaSkreech: also the events tab now has a "blocked ports" heading and the one i blocked is not listed -- nothing is listed
[04:59] <DaSkreech> nada
[04:59] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[04:59] <stuart> DaSkreech: sorry "blocked connections" not blocked ports
[05:00] <DaSkreech> Have you asked in #ubuntu ? They might have a lot of people who use firestarter
[05:00] <stuart> DaSkreech: im going to restart and assume that the blockage is only per session -- will see if udp problem reapperars in firestarter
[05:01] <DaSkreech> ok :)
[05:01] <tjz> yo anyone have any tutorials on how to use kubuntu??????????????????//
[05:01] <stuart> DaSkreech: ill talk to u in  minute
[05:01] <DaSkreech> tjz: one question mark will do
[05:01] <DaSkreech> tjz: what do you want to do?
[05:01] <tjz> any and everything
[05:02] <DaSkreech> ok
[05:02] <tjz> i would greatly appreciate a list  of commands or pretty damn much anything
[05:02] <DaSkreech> whats number 8 on that list?
[05:02] <DaSkreech> !commands
[05:02] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[05:03] <DaSkreech> You may also want to have a chat in private with the robot
[05:03] <DaSkreech> !help
[05:03] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:03] <tjz> ok thanks
[05:04] <DaSkreech> Sure if you have a more specific problem please ask in here again
[05:05] <tjz> ok
[05:06] <DaSkreech> hello
[05:06] <tjz> ok another question do u know of any really good hacking software to use on kubuntu
[05:06] <tjz> ?
[05:06] <DaSkreech> You would probably have to define hacking
[05:06] <jumpkick> anyone know how to do SSH key exchanges well?
[05:06] <jumpkick> I need some help applying some instructions to a chroot
[05:06] <DaSkreech>  but if you mean coding then try kdevelop and read about build essentials
[05:06] <DaSkreech> !b-e
[05:06] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[05:07] <tjz> ok
[05:07] <tjz> where would i find dat?
[05:07] <DaSkreech> Kdevelop?
[05:07] <tjz> yea
[05:08] <DaSkreech> Alt+space -> type ade -> press enter
[05:08] <tjz> this system is very new 2 me i got it like yesterday
[05:08] <DaSkreech> Are you new to LInux?
[05:09] <tjz> well i have had some experience with puppy and seamonkey
[05:09] <DaSkreech> Puppy linux?
[05:09] <tjz> but usally just live disk stuff
[05:09] <tjz> yea
[05:09] <tjz> and dsl
[05:09] <DaSkreech> Oh alright :) Well Welcome to Kubuntu :)
[05:09] <tjz> lol kool
[05:10] <carlos> hello
[05:10] <DaSkreech> Has adept opened yet?
[05:10] <DaSkreech>  Hello
[05:10] <DaSkreech> how you doing stuart ?
[05:10] <DaSkreech> tjz: It should ask you for a password if all goes well
[05:10] <tjz> ?
[05:11] <tjz> ok
[05:11] <stuart> DaSkreech: firestarter not registering any problems, but nor is it telling me i blocked that port either
[05:11] <stuart> DaSkreech: what was that command you got me to try again
[05:12] <DaSkreech> netstat | grep 29294
[05:12] <DaSkreech> tjz: alt+space opens katapult
[05:12] <tjz> yea
[05:12] <tjz> and then
[05:13] <stuart> DaSkreech: ok, same result
[05:13] <stuart> DaSkreech: does that mean i should not worry about it?
[05:13] <DaSkreech> tjz: Type ade then press enter
[05:13] <tjz> ok
[05:13] <tjz> one sec
[05:14] <tjz> oki got adept manager
[05:14] <DaSkreech> stuart: well I'm not sure what to tell you. If you are worrying about wasting resoources I don't know what was doing that in the first place and I don't know enough about firestarter to get information from it
[05:14] <DaSkreech> tjz: in the little search bar type the name of the application you are looking for In this case kdevelop
[05:15] <stuart> DaSkreech: ok, well thanks a lot for your help - will try and work out the firestarter thing
[05:15] <DaSkreech> stuart: If you would like a better chance of some help you could ask in #ubuntu for someone to help you with a blocked port in firestarter
[05:15] <stuart> DaSkreech: k, will do, thanks again
[05:15] <tjz> i got nothin
[05:16] <tjz> i got nothin really on that screen
[05:16] <DaSkreech> stuart: You could use pastebin and sort of write out what the situation is. That would prevent you from explaining it over again to multiple people
[05:16] <DaSkreech> it comes back blank tjz ?
[05:17] <tjz> yea
[05:17] <DaSkreech> !kdevelop
[05:17] <ubotu> kdevelop: An IDE for Unix/X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.4-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 7894 kB, installed size 24892 kB
[05:17] <stuart> DaSkreech: what's pastebin?
[05:17] <DaSkreech> !paste | stuart
[05:17] <ubotu> stuart: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:17] <tjz> Kdevelop comes back blank
[05:17] <DaSkreech> tjz: Ah ok :) try adept -> manage repositories
[05:17] <DaSkreech> The adept menu at top left
[05:18] <tjz> just manage repositories
[05:18] <tjz> ok now what
[05:18] <DaSkreech> Yes you should get a new view with lines
[05:19] <tjz> yea but everything is ummm nit highlighted
[05:19] <tjz> not*
[05:19] <DaSkreech> ok scroll down till you see a line that looks like deb http://jm.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe
[05:19] <DaSkreech> Right click it and choose enable
[05:20] <istill316> hello
[05:20] <DaSkreech> Hello
[05:20] <DaSkreech> Hi nikkiana
[05:21] <DaSkreech> tjz: Done that?
[05:22] <tjz> i got http
[05:22] <DaSkreech> Sorry?
[05:22] <tjz> ;//us
[05:22] <tjz> nut not jm
[05:22] <DaSkreech> Ah yes thats fine
[05:22] <DaSkreech> It's country specific
[05:23] <tjz> ok which one there are alot of them
[05:23] <DaSkreech> the one that looks like deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe
[05:23] <DaSkreech> Assuming you are using edgy :)
[05:24] <tjz> would dapperuniverse be tha soome
[05:24] <tjz> same?
[05:24] <DaSkreech> Ok you are using dapper :0
[05:24] <DaSkreech>  ;-)
[05:24] <DaSkreech> Yes it would be
[05:25] <tjz> ok
[05:25] <DaSkreech> right click that line and select enable
[05:25] <qwm> oh my.
[05:25] <DaSkreech> oh yours!
[05:25] <qwm> indeed.
[05:25] <tjz> ok done
[05:25] <qwm> surprised to see that many in here. :D
[05:25] <DaSkreech> tjz: if you double click on the word universe you should be able to edit
[05:25] <DaSkreech> it
[05:26] <DaSkreech> qwm: You should see #ubuntu !
[05:26] <qwm> heh
[05:26] <qwm> haven't seen it.
[05:26] <qwm> don't think i dare.
[05:26] <DaSkreech> tjz: put a space after the word universe and then type multiverse
[05:26] <qwm> so, which buntu should i encourage my younger (now windows using) brother to use?
[05:27] <DaSkreech> tjz: when you finish the line should look like deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse
[05:27] <DaSkreech> qwm: Which ever he feels comfortable with
[05:27] <DaSkreech> failing that whichever you feel comfortable with since you will probably be fixing most of the problems :)
[05:27] <qwm> i'd be the one installing them, and i'm too lazy to do it more than once.
[05:27] <tjz> ok got it
[05:27] <qwm> heh
[05:27] <qwm> yeah.
[05:28] <qwm> i want as few problems as possible. :P
[05:28] <DaSkreech> qwm: You only need to do it once they can convert from one to the other
[05:28] <qwm> ooh.
[05:28] <DaSkreech> tjz: Excellent click appy
[05:28] <qwm> that's true.
[05:28] <qwm> didn't think of it.
[05:28] <DaSkreech> Apply then click close
[05:28] <noel> Greetings everyone.
[05:28] <qwm> but kde is richer in features than gnome right?
[05:28] <ForgeAus> salutations noel :)
[05:28] <tjz> ok
[05:28] <DaSkreech> tjz: Look at the bottom of the adept window it should give you a number of packages available
[05:29] <DaSkreech> tjz: how many does it say?
[05:29] <DaSkreech> noel: Hello
[05:29] <ForgeAus> gwm... yes/no depends on how you look at it and what particular apps your using
[05:29] <DaSkreech> qwm: depends
[05:29] <tjz> wait where
[05:29] <DaSkreech> ForgeAus: q as in qt not g as in gtk :)
[05:29] <vrkhans> hi
[05:29] <DaSkreech> tjz: very bottom in small writing :)
[05:29] <tjz> adept manager window?
[05:30] <ForgeAus> qt is one thing kde is built on
[05:30] <DaSkreech> tjz: Yes
[05:30] <vrkhans> I tried to install Kubuntu on my system
[05:30] <vrkhans> but fails
[05:30] <DaSkreech> ForgeAus: Yes but you said gwm instead of qwm
[05:30] <qwm> DaSkreech: heh.. what about the visual stuff.
[05:30] <ForgeAus> I think ubuntu has qt and kubuntu has gtk so they're basically compatible
[05:30] <stuart> DaSkreech: didn't get a response on ubuntu channel to:  question about firestarter: why does a port i blocked not show up in the list of blocked connections (therefore I can't unblock it)
[05:30] <vrkhans> It just takes for ever to load from the live cd
[05:30] <tjz> oh upgrades 937 avilable and installed
[05:30] <ForgeAus> I didn't say any wm
[05:30] <DaSkreech> qwm: it certainly has more options I'm not sure about features
[05:30] <vrkhans> and then system error
[05:30] <ForgeAus> I didn't even know there was a qwm!
[05:31] <tjz> ok
[05:31] <qwm> haha.
 gwm... yes/no depends on how you look at it and what particular apps your using
[05:31] <qwm> ooh
[05:31] <noel> Help Please. I am trying to run timidity. Here is the output.
[05:31] <ForgeAus> kwin is kde's wm afaik
[05:31] <qwm> that's a common mistake people make. :P
[05:31] <DaSkreech> stuart: Don't worry about it for now
[05:31] <DaSkreech> stuart: ask again next week :)
[05:31] <vrkhans> does not able to luanch the install icon
[05:31] <noel> TiMidity starting in ALSA server mode
[05:31] <ForgeAus> oh that was a typo sorry
[05:31] <ForgeAus> (text is too small in this font)
[05:31] <vrkhans> I dont know what to do
[05:32] <ForgeAus> my apologies)
[05:32] <DaSkreech> vrkhans: can the CD boot in another machine?
[05:32] <stuart> DaSkreech: i fiddled with firestarter and under edit prefverences the port and Ip address were checked as being "don't log events for this"
[05:32] <noel> ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory
[05:32] <noel> error in snd_seq_open
[05:32] <DaSkreech> tjz: ok now press fetch updates
[05:32] <vrkhans> does there any other way to install the linux without the that GUI
[05:32] <stuart> Daskreech: i turned that off and no new events have appeared...but who knows...
[05:32] <qwm> DaSkreech: what about stability.. kde compared to gnome?
[05:32] <dennister>     /who freenode/staff/*
[05:32] <stuart> Daskreech: In any case, it's probably not a security issue right?
[05:33] <DaSkreech> stuart: It sounds to me that what ever was causing that is gone. However I can't say that for sure ... so I wont
[05:33] <tjz> ok about how long do u think this will take?
[05:33] <stuart> Daskreech: hee hee
[05:33] <DaSkreech> qwm: Both crash roughly with the same frequency of how badly you trat them
[05:33] <DaSkreech> stuart: not with the Ubuntu repos
[05:33] <tjz> ok shit  nevermind now it says 15356 available
[05:34] <DaSkreech> !language
[05:34] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:34] <tjz> but none installed
[05:34] <qwm> DaSkreech: heh.. gosh.
[05:34] <DaSkreech> tjz: yup Lots of stuff now :)
[05:34] <DaSkreech> now try kdevelop
[05:34] <tjz> fetch again
[05:34] <tjz> oh ok
[05:34] <okebonne> hola
[05:34] <stuart> Daskreech: 1 last question -- suse and fedora seem snappier to load office and just in general launching programs compared with ubuntu/kubuntu ... discuss
[05:34] <DaSkreech> tjz: Just type kdevelop in the search
[05:34] <ForgeAus> ahh good old kdevelop :) awesome software
[05:35] <okebonne> whats the bleep !
[05:35] <ForgeAus> eek suse!
[05:35] <ForgeAus> YAST is HELL!
[05:35] <tjz> ok none are installed
[05:35] <stuart> Daskreech: on a p4 system 1gb ram suse seems a LOT faster
[05:35] <DaSkreech> stuart: Maybe you can turn off processes you are not using?
[05:35] <stuart> Daskreech: how do i no what i am and aren't using
[05:36] <DaSkreech> stuart: Also Ubuntu uses a lot of new packages. Maybe they just need some memory profiling? :)
[05:36] <ForgeAus> if you want an rpm distro go Mandriva
[05:36] <ForgeAus> or perhaps Ark Linux
[05:36] <Minataku> It could also be in how the kernel is configured
[05:36] <DaSkreech> tjz: Right click and select install
[05:36] <stuart> Daskreech: so how does the average user improve system response
[05:36] <DaSkreech> Minataku: Hmm good point
[05:36] <tjz> on all of them?
[05:36] <Minataku> SuSE may use more options that have performance increases while *buntu takes a more conservative path
[05:37] <stuart> Daskreech: oh that port problem has returned but is less frequent lol
[05:37] <stuart> ok Minataku
[05:37] <DaSkreech> tjz: just the top one
[05:37] <Minataku> Then there's someone like me who does it all by hand ( I like configuring kernels, it's fun )
[05:37] <DaSkreech> stuart: I guess that's a consequence of shipping with a 386 kernel intended to be used for a server
[05:37] <ForgeAus> *buntu is conservative! wierd
[05:38] <DaSkreech> tjz: When you click on Preview changes you should see a list
[05:38] <stuart> Daskreech: but i installed the 686 one from base and didn't really notice a difference
[05:38] <DaSkreech> ForgeAus: For the kernel it is. The same kernel is used for Desktop and server
[05:39] <tjz> ok    what about kdevelop break(install)
[05:39] <vrkhans> hi
[05:39] <vrkhans> ya
[05:39] <vrkhans> I tried many times but fails
[05:39] <vrkhans> dont know what to do
[05:39] <stuart> Daskreech: just wondered if other users felt that was generally true
[05:39] <vrkhans> same thing happen every time
[05:40] <DaSkreech> tjz: Woah :)
[05:40] <tjz> wut?
[05:40] <DaSkreech> vrkhans: Sounds like you have a bad Cd
[05:40] <DaSkreech> breakage on day one :)
[05:40] <vrkhans> no i tried two different cds
[05:40] <vrkhans> same thing
[05:41] <vrkhans> ifirst of all it takes forever to load
[05:41] <tjz> koolness
[05:41] <DaSkreech> stuart: I don't know that it's a general feeling that *buntu is slower. But Depending on your needs/likes/time constraints it can always be taken care of
[05:41] <qwm> DaSkreech: another thing.. my brother's cpu is an x86-64.. if i install x86-64 ubuntu, he'll still be able to play doom3 and quake4 right?
[05:41] <vrkhans> and then after you hit on the install icon either it doesnt load or give you system crash error
[05:41] <DaSkreech> tjz: how many packages does it says it's going to install?
[05:42] <stuart> Daskreech: I'm sure it can, but i'd need to be a lot more knowledgeable to do so
[05:42] <DaSkreech> qwm: May need a chroot
[05:42] <DaSkreech> qwm: Short answer is yes
[05:42] <stuart> Daskreech: you have good multitasking skills btw
[05:42] <DaSkreech> stuart: quite likely not. Profiling is a common mental illness in the Linux world :)
[05:42] <vrkhans> I am really tired now
[05:42] <qwm> hm. :)
[05:42] <DaSkreech> vrkhans: Take a break
[05:43] <tjz> 4 i guess
[05:43] <DaSkreech>  Do you need it installed tonight?
[05:43] <qwm> really need to give him a good impression.. heh
[05:43] <DaSkreech> And which says break tjz?
[05:43] <noel> Help. Are there any ALSA guru's out there?
[05:43] <DaSkreech> stuart: Thanks
[05:43] <vrkhans> I wish
 Daskreech: you have good multitasking skills btw
[05:43] <mhm> hah I was thinking the same
[05:43] <Minataku> vrkhans: Perhaps you have a bad drive?
[05:43] <stuart> Daskreech: yw -- thanks for your attention and help -- bye for now
[05:44] <vrkhans> my system already have windows running is there any problem with that
[05:44] <Minataku> I have a computer with a CD-R drive that burns coasters that only it can read
[05:44] <DaSkreech> stuart: Performance tweaks is so common in the linux world there are many tools to track down the points of slow down
[05:44] <DaSkreech> stuart: Gbye :)
[05:44] <DaSkreech> vrkhans: No there isnt
[05:44] <tjz> kdevelop3  an idefor unix -development version
[05:44] <Minataku> *buntu probably compiles without optimizations
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Minataku: I'm not sure about that :) but lets not speculate
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[05:45] <Minataku> DaSkreech: Well, when stability is of the utmost, compiler optimizations are typically avoided
[05:45] <DaSkreech> tjz: ok lets back up and start over
[05:45] <tjz> ...k
[05:45] <DaSkreech>  Select everything in the list and right clik -> cancel changes
[05:46] <DaSkreech> hi hybrid
[05:46] <tjz> ok] 
[05:46] <tjz> done
[05:46] <DaSkreech> tjz: Are you still in preview changes?
[05:46] <tjz> yes
[05:47] <vrkhans> no solution for me
[05:47] <tjz> oh um can u email the instructions to gothdude999666@hotmail.com because i have 2 go
[05:47] <DaSkreech> tjz: Ok
[05:47] <DaSkreech> Wait
[05:47] <DaSkreech> click on preview changes
[05:48] <andrew_> i want to know how to play starcraft on kubuntu
[05:48] <tjz> ok
[05:48] <DaSkreech> right click on kdevelop not kdevelop3 and choose install
[05:48] <tjz> i did
[05:48] <DaSkreech> chekc preview to see if it breaks
[05:48] <DaSkreech> andrew_: Wine
[05:48] <DaSkreech> !wine | andrew_
[05:48] <ubotu> andrew_: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[05:49] <tjz> there is no kdevelop on tha list
[05:49] <DaSkreech> tjz: does it break?
[05:49] <andrew_> thanks
[05:49] <DaSkreech> tjz: realllllllly? :)
[05:49] <tjz> yep
[05:49] <DaSkreech> You have 3 choices?
[05:49] <tjz> k
[05:49] <DaSkreech> kdevelop3 -data and -doc ?
[05:50] <tjz> ok
[05:50] <DaSkreech> thats what is in your list?
[05:50] <hybrid> hello DaSkreech
[05:50] <DaSkreech> Or you have more?
[05:50] <tjz> yea and dev and plugins
[05:50] <andrew_> wine does not work with starcraft
[05:51] <DaSkreech> andrew_: Other way around
[05:51] <DaSkreech> tjz: Hmm .... I guess I'd have to find out why it breaks
[05:51] <tjz> ...k
[05:51] <DaSkreech> tjz: pop in tomorrow and we'll get you some help
[05:51] <tjz> ok c ya
[05:51] <tjz> thanks
[05:51] <DaSkreech> tjz: In the mean time type build-essential in the search
[05:51] <DaSkreech> install that :)
[05:51] <DaSkreech> and see you
[05:52] <andrew_> does anyone know how to install starcraft without WINE
[05:53] <Dr_willis> andrew_,  how are you planning on running it then?
[05:53] <andrew_> I do not know
[05:53] <Dr_willis> nether do i...
[05:53] <DaSkreech> andrew_: There is a project trying to get to that point names Wargus
[05:53] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:53] <andrew_> thanks
[05:54] <Dr_willis> wine/cedega - works for most people.
[05:54] <noel> DaSkreech: what is the password for su?
[05:54] <Dr_willis> when it works. :)
[05:54] <DaSkreech> I don't think that you have that type of patience though
[05:54] <istill316> hmm.......
[05:54] <DaSkreech> noel: What did you type?
[05:54] <noel> tried noel, then tried root
[05:54] <DaSkreech> andrew_: Did you read the page Ubotu sent to you btw ?
[05:54] <DaSkreech> !root | noel
[05:54] <ubotu> noel: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:55] <ForgeAus> if your going to mention cedega in there you might as well add cxoffice too
[05:55] <istill316> :\ all the videos I play appear washed-out....
[05:55] <ForgeAus> well I've pretty much chock-filled my kubuntu
[05:55] <ForgeAus> little space to work with now!
[05:55] <DaSkreech> istill316: use less bleach in the detergent
[05:55] <istill316> lol
[05:56] <Dr_willis> Hmm... they are advertising these strap on skates for your shoes.. 2 wheels below the heels...
[05:56] <noel> DaSkreech: all I want to do is "MKDIR" and the permission is denied!
[05:56] <DaSkreech> noel: Where?
[05:56] <DaSkreech> dr-Wheelies
[05:56] <Dr_willis> Redrunner.com
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: heelies
[05:57] <Dr_willis> $40  - not the same as the heelies with the built in wheel.
[05:57] <DaSkreech> noel: Where are you making the directory?
[05:57] <Dr_willis> these strap on. :)
[05:57] <Dr_willis> NOW the question is.. why dident Mythtv zap this comercial. :)
[05:57] <noel> DaSkreech: /usr/scr$
[05:57] <Minataku> Heya, Dr_willis
[05:57] <DaSkreech> noel:  sudo mkdir /usr/scr/$
[05:57] <Dr_willis> wonder if they will fit a size 12 shoe. :)
[05:58] <Minataku> XD
[05:58] <Dr_willis> Hello Minataku
[05:58] <Minataku> What's up?
[05:58] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:58] <Minataku> lol
[05:58] <Minataku> I'd almost pay money to see that
[05:58] <Minataku> ... Almost
[05:58] <Minataku> XD
[05:59] <andrew_> Dr willis: it will not work
[05:59] <Dr_willis> Heck - as a kid we had a toy.. it was basicially a board with a single wooden wheel in the middle.. like a tetertotter..
[05:59] <noel> DaSkreech:and the password?
[05:59] <Dr_willis> THAT broke several arms...
[05:59] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:59] <DaSkreech> noel: Yours
[05:59] <Minataku> lol
[05:59] <noel> DaScreech: thanks
[05:59] <DaSkreech> Sure
[06:00] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Of course back then nobody really cared
[06:00] <andrew_> Dr willis: what do i do
[06:00] <Minataku> You went to the hospital, got a cast and that was it
[06:00] <Minataku> 6-8 weeks later you got the cast off and went right back to playing with it
[06:00] <Dr_willis> Yep.. back when YardDarts were toys!
[06:00] <night-shadow> Sweiki gywi naktibaldos [=
[06:01] <DaSkreech> andrew_: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=72
[06:01] <Minataku> Anyone know what language that is or should I just start typing all the ! triggers?
[06:01] <Minataku> XD
[06:01] <DaSkreech> night-shadow: Which language?
[06:01] <night-shadow> Lithuania[=
[06:01] <DaSkreech> Minataku: I was trying to read it backwards :)
[06:01] <Dr_willis> Lithuania has a language?
[06:01] <andrew_> i have allready tried it
[06:01] <Minataku> lol
[06:02] <Nooby> Hey Everyone..
[06:02] <istill316> hi
[06:02] <Nooby> anyone can help me with installing Mp3 codecs?
[06:02] <Minataku> I'd assume Lithuanian or something like that
[06:02] <Nooby> loving the new Ubuntu.
[06:02] <DaSkreech> Everyone isn't here right now would you like to leave a message?
[06:02] <Minataku> !mp3
[06:02] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:02] <DaSkreech> !mp3 | Nooby
[06:02] <ubotu> Nooby: please see above
[06:02] <Dr_willis> Nooby,  the kubuntu faq mentions the packages..
[06:02] <Minataku> lol
[06:02] <DaSkreech> HAHAHAHAHA
[06:02] <Nooby> lol
[06:02] <DaSkreech> !botsnack
[06:02] <ubotu> Yum!
[06:02] <creodor_> hey all
[06:02] <istill316> lol
[06:02] <Minataku> Yeah, they tweaked it so that it won't replay the message
[06:02] <Nooby> creodor, all is not here, leave a msg :P
[06:03] <DaSkreech> !lls
[06:03] <Minataku> Which is just asking for trouble
[06:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lls - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:03] <creodor_> haha, only if i must
[06:03] <Nooby> u know, I thank the creators of Ubuntu for making it free :)
[06:03] <DaSkreech> !lt
[06:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:03] <DaSkreech> Blast
[06:03] <DaSkreech> night-shadow: Any other languages?
[06:03] <creodor_> just have a quick question. managed to lock up my the adept pkg mngr and was wondering if anyone knew the command to unlock it
[06:04] <DaSkreech> !adept crash fix | creodor_
[06:04] <ubotu> creodor_: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[06:04] <night-shadow> english may be [=
[06:05] <DaSkreech> night-shadow: great :) that would be en
[06:05] <DaSkreech> !en
[06:05] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[06:05] <istill316> anybody have any idea how I might fix my washed-out video playing?
[06:05] <DaSkreech> night-shadow: Welcome How can we help?
[06:09] <night-shadow> i don't mind telling you that  i am first time to using kubuntu [= and i just want to know, where i must download some programs to playing a mp3, avi, wma,
[06:09] <DaSkreech> D00d!
[06:10] <Minataku> !mp3 | night-shadow
[06:10] <ubotu> night-shadow: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:10] <DaSkreech> night-shadow: Do you mind me giving you an english page to read?
[06:10] <DaSkreech> Or Minataku :-P
[06:10] <Minataku> lol
[06:10] <Minataku> Sorry, but there is not too much in Lithuanian
[06:10] <DaSkreech> night-shadow: That first link should help
[06:10] <Minataku> It is not a language we have come across very much
[06:11] <night-shadow> thank you [=
[06:11] <Minataku> No problem
[06:11] <DaSkreech> Minataku: I know the other alternative was to help by a walkthrough
[06:11] <DaSkreech> night-shadow: Are there a lot of people in Lithuania that use linux?
[06:11] <Minataku> DaSkreech: I know, but thankfully he seems to have a pretty good grasp on English
[06:11] <DaSkreech> Yeah I know. Just didn't want to assume
[06:12] <DaSkreech> Plus I'm fading but Jucato D00d is here so I'll be leaving
[06:12] <Minataku> :8r
[06:12] <Minataku> *L8r
[06:15] <night-shadow> 30  - 40 %
[06:15] <night-shadow> [=
[06:18] <DaSkreech> Minataku: Maybe we should have a #kubuntu-lt
[06:19] <Jucato> lt?
[06:19] <Minataku> DaSkreech: If only we knew some Lithuanians
[06:19] <Minataku> lol
[06:19] <Minataku> So far, I know... 1
[06:20] <Minataku> >.>
[06:21] <night-shadow> where are U from?\
[06:21] <DaSkreech> night-shadow: Get your friends to login here as well :)
[06:21] <night-shadow> all them?
[06:21] <DaSkreech> We may be able to get a Lithuanian channel
[06:22] <night-shadow> but most of them are using windows
[06:22] <night-shadow> ] =
[06:23] <DaSkreech> night-shadow: Format their computers Muwahahahaha!
[06:23] <DaSkreech> sorry about that
[06:23] <DaSkreech> That was .. um .. my sister yeah
[06:23] <night-shadow> =D
[06:24] <noel> DaSkreech: I am starting up ROSEGARDEN and this is the message."Sequencer startup failed: MIDI subsystem has failed to initialise" Suggestions please?
[06:24] <night-shadow> ok, see you later, hawe a nice day [=
[06:24] <DaSkreech> !midi
[06:24] <ubotu> Trouble playing MIDI files? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[06:24] <DaSkreech> night-shadow: By
[06:24] <DaSkreech> +e
[06:29] <noel> DaSkreech: how do I change the midi device form /dev0 to /dev1? I had to do this to get sound.
[06:36] <underdog5004> how do I uninstall the kubuntu-desktop package? I know it's just a meta package, so I want to uninstall everything kde related.
[06:36] <cpk1> underdog5004: aptitude purge kubuntu-desktop
[06:37] <underdog5004> sudo apt-get remove --purge kubuntu-desktop will only free up 41.0 Kb, while the install was like 400 Megs.
[06:37] <cpk1> i dont know if it accepts wildcards but if you wanted to completely nuke kde then you could try aptitude purge *kde* but that is not for the faint of heart
[06:37] <Jucato> underdog5004: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[06:38] <underdog5004> tyvm, Jucato
[06:39] <Jucato> ywvm
[06:39] <cpk1> Jucato: that your site?
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Your window-manager may vary?
[06:39] <Jucato> nope
[06:40] <riri> feisty is here ?
[06:40] <riri> Hello
[06:40] <ForgeAus> in alpha yeah
[06:40] <Jucato> !feisty | riri
[06:40] <ubotu> riri: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[06:40] <ForgeAus> feisty herd... when its out of alpha it becomes feisty fawn
[06:40] <Jucato> er?
[06:40] <Jucato> it's Feisty Fawn Herd #
[06:40] <riri> i have problems with vmware-player
[06:41] <DaSkreech> He could just remove kdelib4c2a and it would blow away all of KDE
[06:41] <riri> there is broken packet
[06:41] <riri> the most problem I can't remove it from adept now ?
[06:42] <bhrich902kubuntu> hello, whats the package that enables video file previews in konqueror? (view->preview)
[06:42] <Jucato> ForgeAus: it's "Feisty Fawn" all throughout. a group of fawns is called a "herd". they usually codename the alpha releases that way
[06:42] <riri> how can I clean it out from adept ?
[06:42] <ForgeAus> oh so ppl calling it Feisty Herd  # are just being lazy like saying edgy instead of edgy eft?
[06:43] <Jucato> bhrich902kubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/MP3 look for the part about video previewing in kubuntu
[06:43] <Jucato> ForgeAus: yep
[06:43] <Jucato> well, that's afaik
[06:43] <Jucato> as far as naming conventions go
[06:45] <bhrich902kubuntu> nothing there, but do u know what im talking about tho?
[06:45] <bur[n] er> riri: using feisty?
[06:45] <riri> yes
[06:45] <ForgeAus> Jucato does sudo dpkg --configure -a work for broken packages?
[06:45] <riri> v 4
[06:46] <riri> upgrade from edgy fine this time
[06:46] <bur[n] er> riri: I think it's a known issue... they just issued a patch for the vmware kernel modules, and I can only assume vmware-player itself is next
[06:46] <riri> ok
[06:46] <riri> but i had the same in edgy ?
[06:47] <bur[n] er> riri: the same "what" in edgy?
[06:47] <riri> is there a way to get rid of it in apt ?
[06:47] <bur[n] er> rid of "what" in apt?
[06:47] <riri> same problem in vmaware player install
[06:47] <riri> of vmware player
[06:47] <bur[n] er> vmware player worked for me in edgy :)
[06:47] <riri> though isn't well install
[06:47] <bur[n] er> in fact, I even used vmware server in edgy
[06:48] <bur[n] er> sudo apt-get remove vmware-player
[06:48] <riri> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:48] <istill316> what's this error about:
[06:48] <istill316> Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN4> line 9.
[06:48] <riri> that what i get
[06:48] <bur[n] er> riri: when you try to remove it?
[06:48] <riri> yes
[06:49] <riri> i got this first :FATAL: Could not open '/boot/System.map-player': No such file or directory
[06:49] <bur[n] er> apt-get update?
[06:49] <TubaSoldier> where would i find the location of the picture on the shutdown dialog?
[06:49] <riri> the same : update works
[06:50] <riri> update doesn't tell me any problem
[06:50] <riri> but apt remove does
[06:50] <jarn> Where does konqueror cache?
[06:51] <riri> is there a manual way to remove it ?
[06:51] <DaSkreech> TubaSoldier: good question
[06:52] <riri> in fact can't remove "vmware-player-kernel-modules-2.6.20-8 ..."
[06:53] <DaSkreech> TubaSoldier: $KDEDIR/share/apps/ksmserver/pics/
[06:53] <TubaSoldier> I just think konq is kind of ugly.
[06:53] <TubaSoldier> ah. thanks.
[06:53] <DaSkreech> Where $KDEDIR is currently null :)
[06:53] <riri> bur ner : how did you remove it ?
[06:53] <riri> remove vmware
[06:55] <bur[n] er> riri: sudo apt-get remove vmware-player
[06:55] <bur[n] er> riri: you can try "sudo dpkg -remove vmware-player"
[06:55] <riri> yes that doesn't work for me
[06:55] <riri> ok
[06:56] <bur[n] er> I'm sure a fix will show up in feisty eventually... you file a launchpad.net bug?
[06:58] <riri> burner : funny thing dpkg tells me I can't remove vmware-player because it's not installed !
[06:58] <riri> is there a -f flag in dpkg ?
[06:59] <riri> no... otherwise i would ask the question
[07:00] <bur[n] er> manpages!
[07:00] <bur[n] er> run "man dpkg" from a term
[07:00] <riri> indigest
[07:00] <bur[n] er> run "man yourcommandhere" for info about anything
[07:01] <riri> dpkg --help tells me "--force-
[07:01] <DaSkreech> or man:/
[07:04] <riri> where are the packets of vmware-player in apt ?
[07:04] <ForgeAus> ~vmware
[07:04] <ForgeAus> !vmware
[07:04] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware
[07:04] <riri> yes i read it before thanks
[07:05] <Thehound666> what is the difference between player and other VMWare?
[07:05] <riri> but my command exactly like describe doesn't work with me
[07:05] <ForgeAus> VMware has several types
[07:05] <ForgeAus> player, server, workstation mostly
[07:05] <Thehound666> tried server and workstation
[07:05] <ForgeAus> player is simply able to load vmx/vmdk files
[07:05] <Thehound666> server had no sound
[07:06] <ForgeAus> vmware server has a console that allows you do do things with them
[07:06] <ForgeAus> workstation I know little about
[07:06] <riri> i usually used vmware-workstation
[07:06] <Thehound666> workstation is nice
[07:06] <ForgeAus> server is nice for me thats what I use...
[07:06] <riri> but bvmplayer mess my edgy and feisty now !!!
[07:07] <Thehound666> can you get sound on most guest OS?
[07:07] <riri> i don't want to reinstall all only for it
[07:07] <ForgeAus> I personally stay away from player
[07:07] <Thehound666> my xp guest had no sound
[07:07] <Thehound666> on server
[07:07] <ForgeAus> thehound666 I'm not sure I h ave sound in my kubuntu host  let alone a virtual machine
[07:07] <ForgeAus> on server yoou theorietically have sound if you add the sound hardware component
[07:08] <bur[n] er> you can have sound on the player too
[07:08] <riri> add vmware tools
[07:08] <bur[n] er> i use winamp via xp for kicks... and my cell phone syncs in my xp guest
[07:08] <ForgeAus> bur probably yeah
[07:08] <Thehound666> I should try player instead of getting another workstation license
[07:08] <bur[n] er> and since I created my virtual machine in server originally... i have vmware tools installed and mouse movement is fine in player too :)
[07:08] <Thehound666> software not cheap
[07:09] <bur[n] er> Thehound666: vmware server is free
[07:09] <ForgeAus> you could use server its free
[07:09] <ForgeAus> (requires registration but is still free)
[07:09] <riri> vmware-station 30 days
[07:09] <ForgeAus> its a little over a 100mb download
[07:09] <riri> and after they give you others licences
[07:09] <ForgeAus> vbox is kewl
[07:09] <riri> so i think it's the best
[07:09] <ForgeAus> it does xp/vista
[07:09] <ForgeAus> but has trouble with BSD right now
[07:09] <ForgeAus> and doesn't do Darwin/MacOSX
[07:10] <Thehound666> I liked server except sound. It works fine for when you don't need sound
[07:10] <bur[n] er> does vbox do feisty?
[07:10] <Thehound666> and yes my Kubuntu host on that machine had sound
[07:10] <ForgeAus> I think so
[07:10] <bur[n] er> usually I run ubuntu+1 via virtual machine... though I took the plunge with feisty already :)
[07:10] <bur[n] er> Thehound666: sound worked for me... i think your config was messed up
[07:11] <Thehound666> I run in VMWare on my main machine as Kubuntu goes. My only option
[07:11] <ForgeAus> I'm waiting for the first non-herd release
[07:11] <Thehound666> ATI shanked me
[07:11] <ForgeAus> yeah ATI and Linux can be problematic
[07:11] <ForgeAus> I still havn't got Beryl working
[07:11] <bur[n] er> ForgeAus: kdm doesn't auto start for me... and vmware-player is a problem, but other than that, feisty is pretty sweet :)
[07:11] <bur[n] er> beryl is cake :)
[07:11] <Thehound666> I haven't got fglrx working, following the Ubuntu guide step by step
[07:12] <ForgeAus> I have the same kdm issue lately
[07:12] <bur[n] er> ForgeAus: using ati or nvidia or intel?
[07:12] <ForgeAus> ati and intel
[07:12] <bur[n] er> intel should be almost automatic
[07:12] <ForgeAus> (not intel gfx intel processor)
[07:12] <bur[n] er> oh
[07:12] <Thehound666> if anyone knows of a mistake in the guide, I'd be happy to hear a correction
[07:13] <bur[n] er> my ati mobility radeon 7500 works when I don't use widescreen resolution with beryl
[07:13] <Thehound666> I downloaded latest from ATI and followed the guide for downloaded from ATI
[07:13] <ForgeAus> mine is an ATI radeon 9600 All in wonder (desktop machine)
[07:14] <bur[n] er> Thehound666: did you try just hte .deb packages?
[07:14] <Thehound666> my card is too new
[07:14] <Thehound666> the open driver has same issues
[07:14] <bur[n] er> and you bought an ati?
[07:14] <bur[n] er> wtf
[07:14] <Thehound666> I was using Windows then
[07:14] <ForgeAus> Thehound666 it should at least be partially supported tho isn't it?
[07:14] <Thehound666> and it's great under Windows
[07:15] <bur[n] er> can anything really be "great" when under windows? ;)
[07:15] <Thehound666> well the Kubuntu loading screen gets to full bar
[07:15] <ForgeAus> you might not get full 3D acceleration but it at least gives you a standard desktop functionality tho doesn't it?
[07:15] <Thehound666> then it scrambles and locks
[07:15] <Thehound666> like xserver doesn't want to start
[07:15] <ForgeAus> ouch! I hate it when that happens
[07:15] <bur[n] er> oh damn... major problems... no vesa driver even?
[07:15] <Thehound666> vesa works but only 1024x768@60 hz
[07:15] <Thehound666> 60 hz gives me a headache
[07:16] <ForgeAus> argh no wonder fsck wasn't a problem my fstab is empty again!
[07:16] <Thehound666> I could live if vesa would let me change refresh rates
[07:16] <Thehound666> or resolution
[07:16] <bur[n] er> bug ati
[07:17] <Thehound666> I already did
[07:17] <Thehound666> in the driver feedback
[07:17] <Thehound666> a few nasty comments
[07:17] <bur[n] er> lol
[07:17] <bur[n] er> well good :)  and remember Nvidia on your next purchase... I hope you get the ati working though... have a good night!
[07:17] <Thehound666> only way to get Desktop back after install is recovery mode and replacing xorg.conf
[07:18] <DaSkreech> Good night
[07:18] <Thehound666> nn
[07:18] <andrew_> does any one know how to install starcraft without WINE
[07:19] <Thehound666> is there any service that would service Kubuntu if I called them?
[07:19] <Thehound666> like take it in, have them deal with it
[07:19] <cpk1> andrew_: use cedega
[07:19] <ForgeAus> cedega is bascially wine + extras anyway isn't it?
[07:20] <Thehound666> more refined but closed source
[07:20] <ForgeAus> andrew whats wrong with wine?...
[07:20] <cpk1> yes, i was pointing out that you need either an emulator or wine-like app to run windows apps
[07:20] <adydas> starcraft, hardout
[07:20] <ForgeAus> cxoffice is similar
[07:20] <ForgeAus> I think there is a freecraft but thats mostly warcraft-based I think
[07:20] <andrew_> ForgeAus:it does not work
[07:21] <ForgeAus> I think starcraft works under wine
[07:21] <cpk1> it does
[07:21] <Thehound666> if someone gets FFXI to work, they have my loyalty
[07:21] <ForgeAus> not usre if you need to tweak to make it work properly tho
[07:21] <Thehound666> so c'mon wine, cedega
[07:21] <andrew_> i have tried it twice now
[07:21] <ForgeAus> try checking out winehq.com they might have tips/help to get it working
[07:22] <andrew_> it did not tell me anything
[07:22] <Thehound666> hasn't been updated in forever, says garbage
[07:22] <ForgeAus> oh as for battle.net it could be another story...I don't know anything about that side of it
[07:22] <andrew_> i do not want to use battle.net
[07:23] <Thehound666> network mostly works under Linux if everything else is fine, unless a windows encryption .dll is required
[07:24] <Thehound666> aka http-tunnel ping fu
[07:24] <andrew_> hybrid: do you know to install starcraft without WINE
[07:24] <Thehound666> WINE is fine, why hate on it lol
[07:24] <Thehound666> :P
[07:24] <ForgeAus> um does ipx work under linux?
[07:25] <Thehound666> pet peeve: Windows self extracting archives
[07:25] <Thehound666> I know a few apps that work under wine if you extract them in windows first
[07:26] <adydas> is there any program that tests a vid cards FPS etc under linux
[07:26] <ForgeAus> lol
[07:26] <ForgeAus> hmm how about amikit?
[07:26] <andrew_> i have starcraft installed in WINE but it will not work
[07:27] <ForgeAus> andrew it SHOULD so either theres something you need to tweak to get it working or theres something wrong with your system somewhere..
[07:27] <cpk1> andrew_: what didnt work with wine?
[07:27] <ForgeAus> because all the information I've seen indicates that Starcraft DOES work under wine
[07:28] <andrew_> it will install the game then it wont recognise the cd
[07:28] <Thehound666> does FFXI work under cedega these days? WINE seems hopeless
[07:28] <Thehound666> it installs
[07:28] <Thehound666> that's it
[07:29] <reldruh> hello. I'm trying to get file transfers working with kopete over the aim protocol, but the option is always grayed out. Is there an easy fix for this?
[07:29] <Thehound666> my results seem to match winehq
[07:29] <Thehound666> despite the lack of update
[07:30] <Thehound666> not sure, most my friends are on msn
[07:30] <cpk1> reldruh: dont think it works
[07:30] <andrew_> Thehound666: yes starcraft will install but thats about it
[07:30] <Thehound666> oh I mean FFXI
[07:30] <Thehound666> Final Fantasy XI Online
[07:30] <cpk1> reldruh: i just switch to gaim when i need to transfer something
[07:31] <Thehound666> but cedega might help you, then again lemme see starcraft problems
[07:31] <andrew_> Thehound666:starcraft will install but thats about it
[07:31] <reldruh> cpk1: that's frustrating. The option has been there since dapper, always grayed out. Why would it be kept in if it was broken?
[07:31] <adydas> does cedega cost?
[07:32] <andrew_> cedega will cos
[07:32] <andrew_> cedega will cost
[07:32] <andrew_> sorry
[07:32] <adydas> There goes my next thing to play with
[07:32] <cpk1> reldruh: i think its the same menu for other protocols is why
[07:32] <reldruh> cpk1: are there protocols it works under?
[07:33] <cpk1> reldruh: msn i think
[07:33] <andrew_> adydas:it will depend what site u go on
[07:33] <adydas> where can i get it from thats free
[07:33] <ForgeAus> cedega isn't intended to be free thats true
[07:33] <ForgeAus> same with cxoffice
[07:33] <ForgeAus> both wine derivatives (with extras)
[07:33] <riri> Hi :)
[07:33] <cpk1> andrew_: are you using broodwars or no?
[07:34] <riri> apparently update has been done and vmware-player is working now
[07:34] <riri> on feisty
[07:34] <Thehound666> CD Drive issue andrew_?
[07:35] <riri> thanks all and happy day :)
[07:35] <Thehound666> says insert CD when you load it
[07:35] <Thehound666> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=51
[07:36] <Thehound666> fix here
[07:36] <cpk1> starcraft has a platinum rating on wine
[07:36] <ForgeAus> thats weird... MSIE decided to become my default browser!
[07:37] <Thehound666> yeah for Ubuntu I notice but says silver because of Fedora
[07:37] <ForgeAus> If this changes your the drive letter that it was installed from, you might have to run regedit, and manually update this registry key: "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Blizzard Entertainment\StarCD" to reflect this.
[07:37] <ForgeAus> ( I think that bit might be relevant)
[07:37] <Thehound666> lol
[07:37] <Thehound666> yeah that's why I posted the link for him
[07:37] <Thehound666> very simple issue
[07:40] <Thehound666> how old does a gfx card have to be usually to get the open driver to support it?
[07:40] <Thehound666> that would solve my issue easily
[07:42] <dettoaltrimenti> is ktorrent dependant on the bittorrent package?
[07:42] <Thehound666> doubt it 99%
[07:42] <cre8r1> hello
[07:43] <Thehound666> actually 100%. I installed a .deb in a Debian distro
[07:43] <Thehound666> without it
[07:43] <cre8r1> Does anyone know how to run Cool Edit Pro 2 on Kubuntu?
[07:44] <Thehound666> that one I'll have to pass to them
[07:44] <Thehound666> I'm only good for simple things
[07:45] <Thehound666> but oh btw, rtorrent ftw
[07:45] <Thehound666> >Ktorrent
[07:50] <cre8r1> Hello, I'm running Kubuntu on an HP NC8000 Laptop and I need to know how to install the original laptop drivers and how to run Cool Edit Pro 2 on it HELP
[08:00] <noel> Greetings folks. How do I log in as root?
[08:03] <toni_> hi
[08:03] <Thehound666> scp has to be one of the best features of Linux
[08:04] <Thehound666> built in secure transfer
[08:04] <user_> hey can somone help me do an installation?
[08:04] <Thehound666> how so?
[08:04] <user_> im trying to install skype from a .bed download
[08:04] <Thehound666> usually works fine by default from CD
[08:04] <Thehound666> unless grub gives you issue
[08:04] <user_> .deb i mean
[08:04] <Thehound666> ahhh
[08:04] <Thehound666> never used skype
[08:05] <Thehound666> sounded like you meant the os
[08:05] <Thehound666> lol
[08:05] <user_> lol
[08:05] <Thehound666> ah .deb is easy
[08:05] <user_> ummmm well do you know how to install things?
[08:05] <Thehound666> change directory to where the .deb is
[08:05] <user_> reall?  sweet
[08:05] <Thehound666> do sudo dpkg -i name
[08:05] <Thehound666> cd is change directory
[08:06] <Thehound666> where do you put it?
[08:06] <user_> how do i cd to desktop?
[08:06] <Thehound666> cd Desktop
[08:06] <Thehound666> since you start in home folder
[08:06] <Thehound666> just use proper caps
[08:07] <user_> and also, i would like to install it to the folder where everything esle gets installed to, which i dunno where that is
[08:07] <Thehound666> most things default to usr/bin
[08:07] <Thehound666> it should install there most of the time
[08:07] <Thehound666> unless the writer had other ideas
[08:08] <user_> lol, aight lets see how it plays out
[08:08] <ubuntu> hy to everyboddy
[08:08] <Thehound666> hello
[08:08] <bgta> i'm installing Kubuntu just now
[08:09] <bgta> somone could help me , i'm a little noob
[08:09] <user_> Thehound666:  thanks man, it worked like a charm
[08:09] <Thehound666> well just boot into the live cd
[08:09] <Thehound666> defaults are fine for n00bs if no dual boot
[08:09] <bgta> i'm now in the cdlive :) how i see mi old files
[08:09] <bgta> ?
[08:10] <Thehound666> if you want dual boot you'll have to do a custom install
[08:10] <Thehound666> and choose unused partitions
[08:10] <bgta> oh i have a partition un-used
[08:10] <bgta> ready for install 30 gygas, is enouhg?
[08:10] <Thehound666> you'll need to delete it and then make 2, 1 big 1 small
[08:10] <Thehound666> 1 is swap
[08:10] <Thehound666> 1 is root
[08:10] <bgta> aha ok
[08:11] <bgta> i can make it from install aplication?
[08:11] <Thehound666> yeah, you'll delete your blank partition
[08:11] <Thehound666> then make 2 from it
[08:11] <sstchur> how do I go about resolving dependency problems when trying to run sudo apt-get install beryl ?
[08:11] <Thehound666> and allocate 1 as hda 1
[08:11] <Thehound666> and other swap
[08:11] <user_> actually Thehound666, maybe yu can help me with something else.  im running a dual boot right now, and alocated 20gb to a fat32 swap to transfer between windows and linux... mainly for game files, thats all i use windows for.  but how do i access that area on the linux side, i cant find it
[08:12] <piro> what do you do if everything just freezes and nothing works and ctrl atl f1 doesnt do anything? reboot and run recovery mode?
[08:12] <Thehound666> you might need to mount it
[08:12] <Thehound666> it should auto-mount
[08:12] <piro> check /etc/fstab
[08:13] <user_> i thought it did automount as well
[08:13] <user_> let me check the mountings....
[08:13] <Thehound666> reboot and then I'd do sudo touch /forcefsck
[08:13] <Thehound666> then reboot again
[08:13] <Thehound666> that'll force a check
[08:14] <Thehound666> to stop it doing that every reboot, do sudo touch /fastboot
[08:14] <Thehound666> after the check finishes
[08:14] <user_> hmmmm.... no fat32 partitions there.....  the odd thing is it registers on the windows side
[08:15] <Thehound666> I have a decent app too, that FAT32 partition is a waste
[08:15] <Thehound666> 1 sec
[08:16] <Skuller> hey guys...sorri for asking this question...it is windows-ish but i need help....i install 3rd party software to access my ext3 partitions in winxp...but when i click on the parition in explorer it says "drive not formatted, format now?"...i already have kubun installed on it so how do i access those partitions without formatting them?
[08:16] <Thehound666> http://www.fs-driver.org/
[08:16] <Thehound666> lets you access Linux partitions from Windows
[08:16] <Thehound666> I use it all the time
[08:16] <user_> lol....  i just need it for transfer space, windows is only for gaming
[08:16] <user_> but even still i gotta find it
[08:17] <Thehound666> to grab downloaded files I download in nix
[08:17] <Thehound666> and since Linux can see NTFS
[08:17] <Thehound666> you won't need the 20 GB partition
[08:18] <Skuller> can anyone here help me please?
[08:19] <piro> ah that 3rd party software might be a little iffy
[08:19] <Skuller> Thehound666: the site u gave for the software to access ext3 in windows....i installed that software...but it says when i try to access my ext3 partitions that they are not formatted and asks if i want to format them...but i already have kubun installed on that one...so how do i access it?
[08:19] <Skuller> piro: i tried diff ones...so its not the software fer sure...
[08:21] <Thehound666> oh you need to configure it with partitions to mount
[08:21] <Thehound666> uninstall it and reinstall, configuring it for that
[08:21] <Thehound666> that's what Windows thinks without it
[08:22] <Skuller> Thehound666: i am sorry i dont get you....
[08:22] <bgta> hey how to see mi files in my HD?
[08:22] <bgta> i ahve to mount devide or somethign liek that?
[08:22] <Thehound666> when you install it, it gives you an option of ext3 partitions to mount and what lettres
[08:22] <bgta> first install, then i can see the files
[08:22] <Skuller> Thehound666: yea...it does...and i assigned the appropriate letters and gave mah system a reboot....
[08:23] <bgta> thanks a loooooot
[08:23] <bgta> i will try
[08:23] <Thehound666> hmm always worked a treat for me
[08:23] <Thehound666> just don't mount it at the same time as nix
[08:23] <Skuller> Thehound666: ohh...same time?
[08:23] <Thehound666> if you have 2 PCs using same drive(usually only corporations do)
[08:24] <Thehound666> just covering the bases
[08:24] <Thehound666> because that can mean trouble
[08:25] <Skuller> Thehound666: no its not that...i just have the ntfs and ext3 partitions on the same hdd.....winxp on ntfs and kubun on ext3....i cannot access my ext3 partition in winxp but i can see them...
[08:26] <Thehound666> you might unassign the lettres xp gives them then assign them in ext3. Not sure why it's not working for you.
[08:26] <Thehound666> not sure why xp is even seeing them
[08:26] <Thehound666> usually xp thinks its unformatted space
[08:26] <Thehound666> and ignores it
[08:27] <Skuller> Thehound666: xp is seeing them coz i installed and tried the software u sent the link for and also a software by paragon...both have same problem....it says they are not formatted
[08:27] <surgy> does anyone know of a good flow charting program? im looking for something equal to or greater than visio
[08:27] <Thehound666> not sure
[08:28] <Skuller> Thehound666: ok...thas arrite...thnx fer da help man
[08:28] <Thehound666> and Skuller, maybe someone can figure that one out.
[08:28] <Thehound666> lots of people here more savvy on Linux than me
[08:28] <Thehound666> just most are asleep
[08:28] <Thehound666> :P
[08:28] <Skuller> Thehound666: hope so...i m just so depressed coz i want to put all my downloaded torrent files on my ntfs to use i winxp
[08:28] <Skuller> lol...yea
[08:28] <surgy> lol dont look at me
[08:29] <Skuller> surgy: hehe...ok...*luks away*
[08:29] <surgy> lol nah
[08:29] <user_> hey for amarok, how do i get the radio stream casts to work?
[08:29] <dettoaltrimenti_> is there a website with a lot of openoffice calc templates, or is there any way to convert excel templates to openoffice templates?
[08:29] <surgy> whats the problem? need to access ext3 on ntfs?
[08:29] <surgy> user_ check #amarok?
[08:29] <Thehound666> yeah I sent him here
[08:29] <Skuller> surgy: yea man
[08:29] <Thehound666> http://www.fs-driver.org/
[08:29] <surgy> skuller: there is a simple driver for that
[08:29] <user_> surgy: lol, no one is in there
[08:29] <Thehound666> worked for me with no tweaks
[08:30] <Thehound666> but his says unformatted
[08:30] <surgy> skuller: you running home or pro?
[08:30] <Skuller> surgy: yea...i triied that soft...plus another one by paragon...both enable me to see my ext3 partitions in explorer...but when i try to access them it says "drive unformatted, do u want to format?"...
[08:30] <Skuller> surgy: pro
[08:31] <Skuller> Thehound666: yea...cud b sumfin screwed in mah xp?
[08:31] <user_> oops, wrong onw
[08:31] <surgy> skuller: hold on let me see if i can find another, if you try a third one and it doesnt work then we have to start looking for a problem elsewhere
[08:31] <Kite_DH> hello?
[08:31] <piro> Kite_DH: hi
[08:31] <Skuller> surgy: thnx man
[08:31] <Kite_DH> i...want to ask for help
[08:31] <piro> shoot
[08:31] <Kite_DH> like..i got kubuntu for 2 days installed now
[08:32] <Kite_DH> and i made backup DVDs of my files b4 kubuntu
[08:32] <Kite_DH> and now i want to copy them from DVD on my HD again
[08:32] <Kite_DH> and it somehow doesnt copy them fully
[08:32] <Kite_DH> :(
[08:32] <piro> you see the files though ?
[08:32] <Kite_DH> it runs properly till like 80%
[08:32] <Kite_DH> then it gets slower in kb/s
[08:32] <Kite_DH> and then stops
[08:32] <Kite_DH> and breaks up
[08:32] <Kite_DH> yes i see the files
[08:33] <Kite_DH> i can drag them to my desktop
[08:33] <piro> are you running out of space maybe?
[08:33] <user_> crap no one is awake there.... ill have to try again 2morrow
[08:33] <surgy> skuller: read this and tell me what you think,       http://www.it.fht-esslingen.de/~zimmerma/software/ltools.html
[08:33] <Kite_DH> no, i got...lets see
[08:33] <Skuller> surgy: roger that
[08:33] <surgy> user_ whats the problem?
[08:33] <Kite_DH> surgy..are you german?
[08:33] <user_> surgy: just wanted to know how to get the streaming radio to work with amarok
[08:33] <surgy> kite_DH: my ancesters were why?
[08:34] <Kite_DH> just asking, i am
[08:34] <surgy> user_: sorry i have no clue
[08:34] <user_> sur
[08:34] <user_> surgy: lol, np man
[08:34] <Kite_DH> piro, i got more than 220GB free space
[08:34] <surgy> kite_DH: you ask becuase i responded in german before?
[08:34] <Kite_DH> no, coz of the website
[08:34] <Kite_DH> ^^
[08:34] <user_> surgy: maybe yu can help me with something minor here which isnt working.  you know the clock in bottom right, i KEEP trying to change it to 12hr format, but it keeps changing back, why is that?
[08:35] <surgy> user_: thats an easy one
[08:35] <Skuller> surgy: damn....i need to in xp to download that soft aye..
[08:35] <Skuller> to be in*
[08:35] <user_> surgy: how do i fix that?
[08:35] <piro> Kite_DH: try doing it in parts?
[08:35] <piro> partitions might be low
[08:35] <piro> i can't really think of any reason for a transfer to mess up
[08:35] <piro> other then low partition space
[08:36] <surgy> user_: right click clock >> adjust date and time format >> time and dates > change it to ph::HH::MM::SS
[08:36] <Kite_DH> hmm...
[08:36] <Kite_DH> i tried file by file
[08:36] <surgy> user_: that is change the time format to start with ph
[08:36] <user_> surgy: yah thats what im saying, but ill change it to that, save and everything, and it ALWAYS reverts back
[08:36] <Kite_DH> but still it breaks up at some poiint
[08:36] <Kite_DH> point*
[08:36] <surgy> skuller: yes
[08:36] <Skuller> ok surgy, i'll b bak in opera
[08:36] <user_> surgy: its making me go agro
[08:37] <surgy> user_: check your logs is all i can say
[08:37] <kishore_> surgy: pH:MM:SS AMPM
[08:37] <Skuller> surgy: OMG....mum wants us all to go 2 sum1 plc now...NOW.....i'll leave this behind till i come bak...sorry man...i'll need the help later
[08:37] <surgy> kishore: i stand corrected
[08:37] <piro> Kite_DH: sorry to hear that
[08:37] <surgy> skuller: np go fetch :)
[08:37] <Kite_DH> :(
[08:37] <Kite_DH> hmm...
[08:38] <Kite_DH> i might try again later
[08:38] <surgy> umm did i miss something?
[08:38] <Kite_DH> maybe its coz of konqueror
[08:38] <underdog5004> Recently, I've come back to my computer (numerous times) and found it to be running at 100% cpu. Furthermore, the mouse won't show/move, and all programs are locked up. I ssh'ed in with my gf's lappy, and did top. My xorg is the culprit. I'm not using any special drivers (I've got an old cheap ati rage). Can anyone tell me why this is happening?
[08:38] <Kite_DH> is there another app to transfer?
[08:39] <Kite_DH> this may sound stupid...but im still a linux n00b you see
[08:39] <surgy> underdog5004: restart it?
[08:39] <surgy> kite_DH: i must have missed your problem
[08:40] <underdog5004> surgy, when i do that, problem solved for about 10 minutes. when it locks up, I'm still able to Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to the login screen.
[08:40] <underdog5004> jsyk
[08:40] <piro> file transfers from dvd keep cutting out around 80% surgy
[08:40] <underdog5004> just so you know
[08:40] <surgy> kite_DH: is it alway at the same %?
[08:41] <Kite_DH> yes, its like this...i put the DVD in my drive
[08:41] <Kite_DH> it shows up a windows of konqueror
[08:41] <surgy> underdog5004: you know im a newbie, but i whould look at my processes...... maybe one got corupted?
[08:41] <Kite_DH> then i choose the folder/file i want to move to my HD
[08:41] <surgy> kite_DH: you have a corupt dvd
[08:41] <Kite_DH> not really :(
[08:42] <kishore_> Kite_DH: does this happen with just one of the DVD's or all of them?
[08:42] <Kite_DH> its with every file i want to transfer
[08:42] <Kite_DH> even from CD
[08:42] <underdog5004> surgy I did, I used top, and it showed Xorg chewing up all my cpu power....
[08:42] <Kite_DH> to all DVD
[08:42] <surgy> kite_DH: i bet you that one of the secters is messed up, scratches maybe
[08:42] <Kite_DH> and CD stuff
[08:42] <Kite_DH> i just burned them...
[08:42] <Kite_DH> wait
[08:42] <Kite_DH> lemme try again
[08:42] <surgy> underdog5004: maybe comment all the xorg you dont NEED and then uncomment one at a time till the problem line comes out?
[08:43] <underdog5004> Kite_DH, sounds like your drive is messed up.
[08:43] <underdog5004> surgy, what do you mean?
[08:43] <surgy> kite_DH: you could have the same problem with your hdd, corupt sectors
[08:43] <Kite_DH> hmmm :(
[08:43] <Kite_DH> im trying again brb
[08:44] <surgy> underdog5004: for instance, if you have a bunch of extras added..... remove them only use the stuff you need, revert to defualt video driver etc etc
[08:44] <Kite_DH> ok it transfers...
[08:44] <Kite_DH> lets wait how long :(
[08:44] <underdog5004> surgy, h/o, I'm gonna pastebin my xorg.conf
[08:44] <Kite_DH> it sometimes says "verzgert"
[08:44] <Kite_DH> means like...
[08:44] <Kite_DH> erm
[08:44] <Kite_DH> stalled
[08:45] <surgy> stalling is normall
[08:45] <surgy> for short periods of time
[08:45] <Kite_DH> ok its transfered
[08:45] <Kite_DH> but big files like .avi or so
[08:45] <underdog5004> that's when it's writing to disk and can't recieve more...
[08:45] <surgy> it sounds to me that you either have a screwed up partition or a screwed up drive
[08:45] <kishore_> stalled is also shown mostly when copying lasrge number of small size files
[08:47] <surgy> underdog5004: whould it help to see my xorg?
[08:47] <surgy> underdog5004: mine works perfectly, and the only extra i have is my nvidia driver
[08:47] <underdog5004> h/o, I've gotta get mine first...I want you to take a look at it...I haven't changed anything for quite a while....
[08:47] <Kite_DH> oh yes, and i got another question
[08:48] <Kite_DH> :(
[08:48] <surgy> what is this h/o ?
[08:48] <Kite_DH> hang on
[08:48] <Kite_DH> does it mean
[08:48] <underdog5004> hold on
[08:48] <surgy> !ask
[08:48] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:48] <Kite_DH> same
[08:48] <Kite_DH> ok
[08:48] <Kite_DH> its
[08:48] <Kite_DH> i got a printer
[08:48] <Kite_DH> called lexmark 1200 series
[08:49] <surgy> add printer >> raw data
[08:49] <Kite_DH> kubuntu shows me to install many lexmark models but mine
[08:49] <surgy> done :)
[08:49] <Kite_DH> ugh
[08:49] <Kite_DH> lets try o.o
[08:49] <surgy> use raw data
[08:49] <surgy> i have the same printer and that works perfect for me
[08:51] <Kite_DH> but it doesnt print anything
[08:51] <oliver_> HI, LiveCD 6.10 comes up with black screen and consoles (ALT+CTRL F1-F6) unusable, I need to modify xorg.conf in console mode,
[08:51] <Kite_DH> :(
[08:51] <underdog5004> !vim | oliver_
[08:51] <ubotu> oliver_: Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[08:51] <surgy> ok i have a very good question: why dont we have ops in this chanel?
[08:52] <underdog5004> uhh....
[08:52] <surgy> kite_DH: hold on and while your holding you should disconnect the usb and reconnect it and try again
[08:52] <chavo> surgy, they are ninja ops
[08:52] <oliver_> underdog5004: I cant use a console, because the res is messed up
[08:52] <surgy> uhh?
[08:52] <surgy> chavo: ohhh
[08:52] <underdog5004> res...resolution? res...rest?
[08:53] <oliver_> resolution
[08:53] <surgy> kite_DH: check kviewer print jobs     see if it has a job in que
[08:54] <Kite_DH> naw it doesnt
[08:54] <underdog5004> oliver_, boot into recovery mode (esc when grub loads) then type vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:54] <oliver_> i tried safe mode, i tried VGA=771 at boot, always end up with messy Consoles and X
[08:54] <underdog5004> that'll let you configure it...if you want a "wizard" do this: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:54] <surgy> kite_DH: sorry thats all i can tell you, :(
[08:54] <surgy> underdog5004: cant find xorg ? :) j/k
[08:54] <Kite_DH> lets see
[08:55] <oliver_> underdog5004: boot into recovery, donno if there is one with LiveCd (i try to install )
[08:55] <underdog5004> !cheatcodes
[08:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cheatcodes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:55] <underdog5004> !cheat codes
[08:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cheat codes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:56] <surgy> !cheat
[08:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cheat - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:56] <surgy> hmm...
[08:56] <Kite_DH> oh yes, and i got another question
[08:56] <underdog5004> surgy, it's killin' me...just a little longer...lol
[08:56] <Kite_DH> like, i was browsing on kde-look.org
[08:56] <Kite_DH> and i saw many themes
[08:56] <surgy> underdog5004: lol
[08:56] <Kite_DH> and i have no idea how to install em
[08:56] <underdog5004> Kite_DH, magic
[08:56] <oliver_> BTW its a Laptop with RADEON X700
[08:57] <Kite_DH> so linux users are wizards?
[08:57] <underdog5004> more or less
[08:57] <Kite_DH> hehe^^
[08:57] <chavo> Kite_DH, depends on the theme
[08:57] <underdog5004> we prefer warlocks
[08:57] <Kite_DH> chavo: lemme get something to have an example
[08:57] <surgy> underdog5004: you might try recovery console yourself, use lynx and that non gui irc thing i forget the name iriirc or something?
[08:57] <oliver_> I can get it to work when i have a console
[08:57] <chavo> Kite_DH, ok
[08:58] <chavo> some of the styles and windecos are in the repos too
[08:58] <chavo> then you can change the colors separately yourself
[08:58] <Kite_DH> chavo: this one http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=44670
[08:58] <oliver_> underdog5004: is there a way where i can boot without starting X
[08:58] <Kite_DH> yes, i did that, but i want that glass look
[08:58] <surgy> kite_DH: have you ever ran the command "sudo apt-get update" ?
[08:58] <Kite_DH> transparent windows
[08:59] <Kite_DH> surgy: no, whats that
[08:59] <user_> hey anyone know a good video editing app?
[08:59] <surgy> kite_DH: like auto updates for windows, it updates all your drivers and everything
[08:59] <underdog5004> dammit, pastebin thinks I'm spamming it.
[08:59] <Kite_DH> oh, wo
[08:59] <Kite_DH> where do u have to type it in?
[08:59] <surgy> underdog5004: use a different one?
[08:59] <surgy> kite_DH: konsole
[08:59] <underdog5004> yeah, I'll havta
[09:00] <user_> anyone?
[09:00] <surgy> underdog5004: http://www.pastebin.ca lets me paste 10k lines once
[09:00] <Kite_DH> now this konsole wrote many thingies
[09:00] <Kite_DH> whats it about?
[09:00] <chavo> Kite_DH, looks like qtcurve for the style, and he's running beryl for the windo decorations
[09:00] <surgy> kite_dh: just let it go
[09:00] <Kite_DH> its done already
[09:00] <Kite_DH> chavo: whats beryl? where can i get it
[09:01] <underdog5004> ok, pastebin.com/883516
[09:01] <surgy> kite_dh: ok now type: sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:01] <underdog5004> geez, that was like pulling teeth
[09:01] <underdog5004> !beryl
[09:01] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:01] <underdog5004> afk
[09:01] <chavo> Kite_DH, beryl is the 3d desktop, it uses the graphics card to paint your desktop
[09:01] <Kite_DH> oh?
[09:01] <surgy> kite_dh: you should check out beryl it outperforms vista in gui looks
[09:01] <oliver_> Is there a way to kill X, "like with a CTRL Backspace" without restarting
[09:02] <Kite_DH> if you tell me where to get it
[09:02] <chavo> Kite_DH, what video card do you have?
[09:02] <surgy> oliver_: cntrl+alt+backspace
[09:02] <Kite_DH> i would love to
[09:02] <crimsun> oliver_: well, sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop ...
[09:02] <surgy> kite_DH: ask that in #beryl
[09:02] <Kite_DH> nVidia GeForce 6200 SE
[09:02] <Kite_DH> i think
[09:02] <Kite_DH> ok thx
[09:02] <chavo> that will work fine
[09:02] <Kite_DH> oh yes
[09:02] <Kite_DH> erm
[09:02] <Kite_DH> my gfxcard
[09:02] <Kite_DH> kubuntu found the wrong one
[09:02] <oliver_> surgy: true but the its restarting ?!  (I need a hotkey, I CANT use a console
[09:03] <Kite_DH> but it works too
[09:03] <Kite_DH> and the one i got isnt in the list either
[09:03] <chavo> yeah the one sdriver will work for any nvidia card
[09:03] <Kite_DH> alright
[09:03] <Kite_DH> thx chavo
[09:03] <chavo> but you need to install the proprietary nvidia driver for 3d acceleration
[09:04] <surgy> oliver_: try alt + F1
[09:04] <chavo> the free driver doesn't do it yet
[09:04] <Kite_DH> lets see after that update
[09:04] <chavo> Kite_DH, are you on edgy?
[09:04] <surgy> !nvidia |Kite_DH
[09:04] <ubotu> Kite_DH: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:04] <oliver_> surgy: The consoles are not usable (resolution is messed up) thats why i cant use cosole commands
[09:05] <underdog5004> surgy, I know you're busy...have you checked out my thing yet?
[09:05] <Kite_DH> what edgy
[09:05] <Kite_DH> o.o
[09:05] <chavo> 6.10
[09:05] <underdog5004> Kite_DH, edgy is the latest stable version of ubuntu
[09:05] <underdog5004> !edgy
[09:05] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[09:05] <Kite_DH> i got...
[09:05] <Kite_DH> Kubuntu 6.10
[09:05] <chavo> yep that's it
[09:05] <Kite_DH> is it that?
[09:05] <Kite_DH> ok then i got edgy
[09:05] <surgy> underdog5004: im looking, and it looks weird, its not even following the same convention as mine, it is in the wrong order and has stuff i have never seen
[09:06] <underdog5004> surgy, weird....
[09:06] <chavo> here's a kubuntu package of the kde style in that screenshot http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=40920
[09:06] <underdog5004> any way I can re-do it?
[09:06] <chavo> qtcurve is my favorite style, very configurable
[09:06] <surgy> oliver_: i dont quite understand what you want your res setting are in /etc/X11/xorg.conf change them with a texteditor
[09:06] <Kite_DH> no i mean
[09:06] <surgy> underdog5004: wanna look at mine and compare?
[09:06] <Kite_DH> i want that glossy look
[09:06] <Kite_DH> that glass
[09:07] <Kite_DH> like vistas aero
[09:07] <underdog5004> oliver_, or, you can go through Kmenu>system settings> Monitor/Disply
[09:07] <chavo> the titlebars, yeah that's beryl
[09:07] <surgy> kite_DH: get beryl you will be happy
[09:07] <underdog5004> surgy, uh...sure
[09:07] <underdog5004> pleas
[09:07] <underdog5004> please*
[09:07] <adydas> Is beryl just a 3d desktop?
[09:07] <chavo> but you might as well grab qtcurve too cause it rocks, you can get the glassy loking buttons, etc
[09:07] <underdog5004> surgy, are you on edgy as well?
[09:07] <NightBird> adydas, that and plugins to add features...
[09:08] <chavo> adydas, well it's really a new way to draw the desktop using the graphics card
[09:08] <underdog5004> can't wait for my new computer....
[09:08] <surgy> underdog5004: yep
[09:08] <surgy> underdog5004: http://www.pastebin.ca/361653 thats mine
[09:08] <chavo> the plugins and effects give it the 3d qualities
[09:08] <underdog5004> just need the nvidia PCI card to run all the beryl magic
[09:08] <Kite_DH> these guys in beryl channel
[09:08] <Kite_DH> are talking weird stugg
[09:08] <Kite_DH> stuff*
[09:08] <Kite_DH> :(
[09:08] <Kite_DH> XGL or something
[09:08] <adydas> pci-express?
[09:08] <surgy> kite_DH: learn it and love it :)
[09:08] <Kite_DH> or AIXGL
[09:08] <Kite_DH> im already in love with kubuntu <3
[09:08] <underdog5004> nope, old school pci
[09:09] <Kite_DH> still some problems =)
[09:09] <NightBird> yes, xgl is a replacement for the X windowing system that uses openGL to do rendering
[09:09] <underdog5004> cause my mobo is too cheap to have AGP or PCIe
[09:09] <NightBird> aixgl is an attempt to add openGL capabilities to the regular x server
[09:09] <unix_infidel> no agp?
[09:09] <underdog5004> no agp
[09:09] <unix_infidel> wowza.
[09:09] <adydas> sounds dumb,
[09:09] <NightBird> underdog5004: ouch
[09:09] <NightBird> that is a cheap mobo
[09:09] <chavo> Kite_DH, yeah beryl and company are still in heavy development and changing quite a bit, so which way to use beryl depends on what version of kubuntu you have
[09:09] <unix_infidel> whatever gets the job done
[09:10] <underdog5004> yeah, it's a rather old HP...2.5ghz Celeron, though...gonna beef up the RAM to a Gig...I've literally got a gig of PC133 RAM laying around...a 512 and 2 256 sticks...
[09:10] <NightBird> chavo, or just install from source :P
[09:10] <oliver_> surgy: I can switch to a console (ALT+STRG+F1-F6) but the resolution is messed up, i cant see a thing, its all colours. and ALT+CTRL+F7 is ablack screen, if i restart X it comes back black, so i need to find a way to get at least a console working or to boot without X, (ITs a Live CD)
[09:10] <surgy> underdog5004: whats all that crap about bitmaps at the beginning of your xorg?
[09:10] <underdog5004> to be honest, I have no idea
[09:10] <surgy> oliver_: but X is working right?
[09:11] <Kite_DH> thx guys
[09:11] <Kite_DH> u were a big help
[09:11] <Kite_DH> i will join ur channel all the time now
[09:11] <Kite_DH> hahaha
[09:11] <oliver_> surgy: if get there i know howto get x working correct, i have the parameters to change xorg.conf in front of me
[09:11] <surgy> underdog5004: see how i commented out my wacom devices? do that to yours on all that bitmap bullshit :)
[09:11] <chavo> Kite_DH, here's a how to to install beryl in 6.10 http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=51
[09:11] <pancho> hey I need help with installing mercury on ubuntu
[09:11] <underdog5004> just the Load         "bitmap"  right?
[09:11] <pancho> anyone know how to do that
[09:12] <oliver_> surgy: it is working, i hear the startup sound but screens black
[09:12] <surgy> oliver_: so you cant get into a console or kde? and your talking to us from another computer or the live cd?
[09:12] <Kite_DH> thx chavo
[09:12] <oliver_> i am talking from a nother computer
[09:12] <surgy> underdog5004: comment that whole first section and see what happens
[09:13] <oliver_> Desktop is fine, Laptop is the problem (RADEON X700 chip)
[09:13] <surgy> oliver_: how attached are you to your install?
[09:13] <cre8r1> hello everyone, I'm running kbuntu on a NC8000 HP Laptop and I need to reinstall Cool Edit Pro 2. Does it work on Kubuntu or is there something like it available.
[09:13] <pancho> yeah my desktop has a radeon 92500 chip, thing crashed on me I need to get me a new video card
[09:13] <underdog5004> the whole Section "Module" part?
[09:13] <pancho> gave an ati2dvag.dll error
[09:14] <Kite_DH> thx chavo
[09:14] <Kite_DH> i will do it after update
[09:14] <surgy> underdog5004: let me look it up again, you know how to use cp to make a backup right? i whould do that first just in case
[09:14] <chavo> ok
[09:14] <underdog5004> lol, the problem is there is no easy way to test it...just leave it running...
[09:14] <oliver_> surgy: don't understand "attached" in this context, sorry my English :-)
[09:14] <Kite_DH> maybe you can help me with something else too
[09:14] <underdog5004> surgy, I think if anything goes wrong, I'll just do recovery> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg...
[09:14] <Kite_DH> i saw many screenshots on KDE-look.org with widgets on their desktop
[09:14] <underdog5004> superkaramba
[09:15] <underdog5004> !superkaramba
[09:15] <ubotu> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[09:15] <Kite_DH> like instant access to their HD and they got weather service or something
[09:15] <Kite_DH> wow
[09:15] <Kite_DH> thx
[09:15] <underdog5004> np
[09:15] <Kite_DH> where to get the app??
[09:15] <underdog5004> Kite_DH, sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[09:15] <surgy> underdog5004: umm yeah you seea the first section? from the first line all the way down to the first big space
[09:15] <Kite_DH> that cmd seems handy
[09:16] <surgy> oliver_: attached? where did you get that?
[09:16] <underdog5004> surgy, thanks so much for your time, if it doesn't work, I know where to find help (and you!).
[09:16] <underdog5004> surgy, I commented that whole portion out, np
[09:16] <underdog5004> lets see how it does!
[09:16] <surgy> oliver_: oh sorry, reinstall kubuntu, if you have nothing to loose, else i cant help
[09:16] <surgy> good luck dog
[09:17] <underdog5004> tyvm, I need it!
[09:17] <surgy> ?
[09:17] <surgy> oh nvm lol
[09:17] <underdog5004> I'm on an old 933Mhz PIII with 512Mb RAM...I need all the luck I can get
[09:17] <Kite_DH> hmm  i got another question
[09:17] <underdog5004> lol
[09:17] <underdog5004> !ask
[09:17] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:17] <Kite_DH> my sister cant listen to mp3
[09:17] <Kite_DH> lawl
[09:17] <underdog5004> !mp3
[09:17] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:17] <surgy> underdog5004: lol yeah, when you get your new comp remember i take old ones as donations :)
[09:17] <Kite_DH> on amarok
[09:17] <Kite_DH> oh
[09:18] <oliver_> surgy: to install/reinstall (what i like to do now) i need the LiveCD (or any Kubuntu CD) but i end up with THAT problem
[09:18] <Kite_DH> she needs mp3 support too?
[09:18] <Kite_DH> but i installed it on my user account
[09:18] <underdog5004> surgy, if you like...it'll make a good server, I guess...I've got a 733 w/ 512 RAM as my home bt server...it kicks ass...
[09:18] <Kite_DH> does that mean i have to make it on every acc too?
[09:18] <surgy> oliver_: do you have an LCD monitor?
[09:18] <underdog5004> Kite_DH, idk...maybe
[09:18] <Kite_DH> hmm..alright
[09:18] <underdog5004> Kite_DH, it shouldn't be that way though, since you use sudo to install it....
[09:18] <surgy> underdog5004: yes it whould be nice to have if you wanna mail it to  me
[09:18] <oliver_> surgy: Laptop LCD
[09:20] <surgy> oliver_: i bet your problem is your refresh rate is too high....... my LCD only supports up to 70mhz, and i dont know how to change it, when kubuntu tried to set it to 75mhz i had the same problem, but i uninstalled/reinstalled and it fixed it
[09:20] <underdog5004> how about this: you pay for half the shipping, and I'll ship it to you, with a 40 gig HD, 512 Megs RAM, ATI RAGE 64 gfx card, and a wireless card guaranteed to work out of the box?
[09:20] <underdog5004> oh, uh, I meant a 30 gig drive...
[09:20] <surgy> underdog5004: get me a qoute :)
[09:20] <underdog5004> alrighty
[09:20] <underdog5004> ttyal
[09:21] <surgy> anyone else need my tech support?
[09:21] <surgy> lol
[09:21] <oliver_> surgy: realy, the only thing i need is to boot the LIVECD with the consoles working in a correct resolution or to kill X at ALT+CTRL+F7
[09:21] <orient2000> !Ubuntu
[09:21] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[09:21] <oliver_> surgy: and the i am able to install
[09:21] <orient2000> #ubuntu
[09:22] <surgy> oliver_: right..... and since you said you cant do any of that, i am of no good use to you..... sorry :( i just dont know
[09:22] <kishore_> is anyone using feisty in here?
[09:22] <surgy> i am
[09:22] <surgy> not
[09:22] <surgy> :)
[09:22] <kishore_> i am unable to suspend on feisty
[09:23] <cre8r1> hello everyone, I'm running kbuntu on a NC8000 HP Laptop and I need to reinstall Cool Edit Pro 2. Does it work on Kubuntu or is there something like it available.
[09:23] <kishore_> so was wondering if any one else had the issue
[09:23] <cre8r1> hello everyone, I'm running kbuntu on a NC8000 HP Laptop and I need to reinstall Cool Edit Pro 2. Does it work on Kubuntu or is there something like it available.
[09:23] <surgy> !wine |cre8r1
[09:23] <oliver_> surgy: thanks anyhow
[09:23] <ubotu> cre8r1: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[09:23] <orient2000> I can not download gaim and other programs is there ane repositories down?
[09:23] <surgy> oliver_:anytime
[09:24] <surgy> orient2000: whats your errors?
[09:24] <cre8r1> This question is for anyone who knows the answer, I'm running kbuntu on a NC8000 HP Laptop and I need to reinstall Cool Edit Pro 2. Does it work on Kubuntu or is there something like it available.
[09:24] <orient2000> I use adept and just says error no more like program is not there
[09:24] <oliver_> surgy: BTW, an installation of Feisty (4) works on this LAPTOP, since i could use the consoles
[09:24] <surgy> cre8r1: i answered your question......
[09:25] <surgy> oliver_: you should try it, be warned it isnt officially stable until april
[09:25] <orient2000> let me check
[09:25] <cre8r1> thanks
[09:25] <surgy> orient2000: sounds like you havnt enabled your repositorys or updated your system using sudo apt-get update
[09:25] <oliver_> surgy: i know, thanks. I am using edgy on my Desktop for "REAL WORLD"
[09:25] <surgy> cr8r1: np
[09:26] <orient2000> It says BREAK (install)
[09:26] <orient2000> I did updated
[09:26] <surgy> !adeptfix orient2000
[09:26] <surgy> !adeptfix | orient2000
[09:26] <ubotu> orient2000: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[09:26] <Kite_DH> oh yes
[09:27] <Kite_DH> this question is very stoopi
[09:27] <Kite_DH> stoopid*
[09:27] <Kite_DH> here it goes>_<
[09:27] <Kite_DH> like...
[09:27] <surgy> no question is stupid
[09:27] <Kite_DH> i have kubuntu 6.10 live CD
[09:27] <Kite_DH> and i installed it
[09:27] <Kite_DH> to my HD
[09:27] <Kite_DH> and..i wanted to ask
[09:27] <surgy> try to condense your statements to one line though
[09:27] <Kite_DH> if i got a full version of kubuntu 510
[09:27] <Kite_DH> 6.10*
[09:27] <Kite_DH> yes sry
[09:28] <NightBird> you installed kubuntu from a 6.10 live cd?
[09:28] <Kite_DH> yes
[09:28] <surgy> i did
[09:28] <NightBird> and you're asking if you have the full version?
[09:28] <Kite_DH> right
[09:28] <Kite_DH> it was a normal 800MB CD+rw
[09:28] <surgy> kite_DH: yes you have the full version, nightbird is gonna flame you i think :)
[09:28] <Kite_DH> im sry :(
[09:28] <surgy> your fine
[09:28] <NightBird> I'm just trying to think of what might be missing
[09:28] <surgy> no worries :)
[09:29] <NightBird> what might give you the idea that it's an incomplete version..
[09:29] <surgy> nightbird: nothing he cant get from the repos
[09:29] <surgy> nightbird: becuase theres a dvd version probably
[09:29] <Kite_DH> that question was because i saw DVDs with kubuntu 6.10
[09:29] <NightBird> 6.06 had a dvd version, but that just had stuff available from the repos put on the cd for easier access...
[09:29] <NightBird> ah, is there a dvd version now?
[09:29] <surgy> yes
[09:29] <surgy> kite_DH: no worries you can get that stuff from apt-get
[09:30] <Kite_DH> oh, btw the update is extracting rightnow
[09:30] <NightBird> or from adapt manager :P
[09:30] <Kite_DH> it downloaded 24minutes
[09:30] <surgy> kite_DH: good
[09:30] <NightBird> if you prefer a more gui version than apt-get
[09:30] <surgy> just remember to kdesu adept and not sudo, you could destroy it that way i learned the hard way
[09:31] <NightBird> really...
[09:31] <Kite_DH> oh yes, another question...am i bothering?? well its like, im a 'gfx guy' and i used Photoshop CS2 on windows XP....is there a way to get that running on my Kubuntu??
[09:31] <NightBird> so there is a difference between sudo and kdesu?
[09:31] <surgy> nightbird: all guid apps should be kdesu
[09:31] <surgy> !kdesu | nightbird
[09:31] <ubotu> nightbird: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[09:31] <orient2000> an not start such directory /var/... does not exist
[09:31] <NightBird> huh... ok
[09:32] <surgy> !repositorys
[09:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about repositorys - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:32] <surgy> !repo
[09:32] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:32] <surgy> i cant spell for shit
[09:32] <NightBird> heh
[09:32] <NightBird> there are a number of image editing tools that contain most of the main features found in photoshop..
[09:33] <Kite_DH> but i only learned PS
[09:33] <surgy> kite_DH: use wine
[09:33] <Kite_DH> back then with XP
[09:33] <NightBird> if you *must* have photoshop working, wine might be able to help you since I don't think PS is available on linux..
[09:33] <surgy> wine runs PS fine
[09:33] <NightBird> really?
[09:33] <Kite_DH> whats wine
[09:33] <Kite_DH> so many new things..
[09:33] <surgy> !wine |kite_DH
[09:33] <ubotu> kite_DH: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[09:34] <Kite_DH> oh..
[09:34] <Kite_DH> is that for free?
[09:34] <NightBird> wine is
[09:34] <surgy> nightbird: its slower than windows on loads but other than that its fine for me
[09:34] <surgy> PS costs
[09:34] <NightBird> huh
[09:34] <Kite_DH> i know that
[09:34] <Kite_DH> i mean, if wine costs
[09:34] <Kite_DH> i saw another app called crossover
[09:34] <NightBird> there are a number of commercial versions of wine
[09:34] <Kite_DH> costs 56
[09:34] <surgy> kite_DH: actually you allready have wine
[09:34] <NightBird> crossover uses wine
[09:34] <Kite_DH> i do?
[09:34] <surgy> yes
[09:35] <Kite_DH> o.o
[09:35] <surgy> open konsole and type: wine
[09:35] <Kite_DH> wait, after the extracting
[09:35] <Kite_DH> it extract...long
[09:35] <Kite_DH> somehow
[09:35] <NightBird> surgy, wine comes preinstalled in kubuntu now or something?
[09:35] <Kite_DH> seems more than i dled lol
[09:35] <surgy> kite_DH: its updating your entire OS be patient
[09:35] <Kite_DH> oh, ok
[09:35] <surgy> nightbird: yes basic wine should be there
[09:35] <surgy> i think
[09:35] <NightBird> huh
[09:36] <Kite_DH> yes i see its installed
[09:36] <surgy> see
[09:36] <NightBird> interesting
[09:36] <surgy> although i prefer beer
[09:36] <Kite_DH> ok its done
[09:36] <surgy> kite_DH: good now your up to date
[09:36] <NightBird> the whole... senior seminar took up a bit of time...
[09:36] <Kite_DH> wow
[09:36] <Kite_DH> looks awesome
[09:37] <surgy> nightbird: what are you talking about? are you an ubuntu dev?
[09:37] <crazy_penguin> Hello
[09:37] <surgy> hi penguin
[09:37] <NightBird> supertux5, no...
[09:37] <NightBird> er... surgy
[09:37] <NightBird> sorry supertux5
[09:37] <Kite_DH> ok, is there anythign next?
[09:37] <NightBird> (might as well get two nick allerts in there)
[09:37] <surgy> kite_DH: what do you mean "next" ?
[09:37] <Kite_DH> something usefull
[09:37] <Kite_DH> for me
[09:37] <Kite_DH> or so
[09:38] <surgy> well i dont know what you want
[09:38] <NightBird> Kite_DH, try installing photoshop
[09:38] <surgy> im gonna smoke another cig and hit the sack its 2:40 am here.....
[09:38] <NightBird> or you could restart if you want to have the system fully upgraded
[09:38] <NightBird> (aka, using the new kernel/x system)
[09:39] <Kite_DH> i would love to install it, but to install it i would have to get my files from my DVD...we had that earlier
[09:39] <Kite_DH> anyway
[09:39] <Kite_DH> http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=51
[09:39] <surgy> kite_DH: insert the cd and then open konsole and type: cd /media/cdrom0          and then type: wine setup.exe
[09:39] <Kite_DH> here it says
[09:39] <Kite_DH> Add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list:
[09:39] <Kite_DH> whats that?
[09:39] <Kite_DH>  /etc/apt/sources.list:
[09:39] <surgy> kite_DH: open a konsole, and type kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:40] <NightBird> mmm nano
[09:40] <NightBird> >_>
[09:40] <NightBird> :P
[09:40] <surgy> nightbird: thought we were gui fans? :)
[09:40] <Kite_DH> oh ok
[09:40] <surgy> you see now?
[09:40] <dhq> i need help with my keyboard my win key and capsloct doesntwork can anyone help me
[09:40] <NightBird> surgy, yeah, well... for some reason whenever I start in with a konsole I tend to stick to the console for awhile :P
[09:41] <surgy> nightbird: lol
[09:41] <NightBird> for some reason, having to click on things slows me down...
[09:41] <surgy> dhq: wallmart >> $9.99 == new keyboard ?
[09:41] <NightBird> yeah, does it work in windows?
[09:41] <NightBird> or some other OS?
[09:41] <dhq> surgy: its a laptop and it works on any linux os live cd
[09:41] <NightBird> ah
[09:42] <surgy> your regional settings?
[09:42] <surgy> i think i better let nightbird have this one
[09:42] <NightBird> surgy, oh no it's not
[09:42] <surgy> ?
[09:43] <dhq> surgy: NightBirdso help me
[09:43] <NightBird> surgy, I've reached my limit on the ammount that I can help :P
[09:43] <NightBird> (which was to confirm if it was a software or hardware issue)
[09:43] <dhq> its a software issue
[09:43] <NightBird> if it was hardware, I would have told him to try a new keyboard... if software, I would have told him I can't help him
[09:43] <surgy> nightbird: i was a newbie 5 weeks ago only got 6 weeks of linux under my belt, im paying back all those who helped me by helping others :) paying what i owe to the comunity
[09:44] <surgy> nightbird: and thats as good advice as i can give
[09:44] <Kite_DH> it seems to install that beryl now
[09:44] <surgy> kewl
[09:44] <NightBird> surgy: I'm also a linux newbie... I just try to help when I can, and when I don't know how to help, I let them know :P
[09:44] <surgy> kite_DH: get your drivers installed first?
[09:44] <Kite_DH> now its extracting again
[09:44] <NightBird> dhq, have you checked the keyboard region setting like surgy suggested?
[09:45] <dhq> NightBird: well i guess i have :)
[09:45] <Kite_DH> now i have a thing called emerald manager
[09:45] <Kite_DH> or something
[09:45] <NightBird> despite having a number of difficulties >_>
[09:45] <Kite_DH> is that beryl?
[09:45] <NightBird> yeah
[09:45] <Kite_DH> what to do next
[09:45] <NightBird> emerald manager is the window manager that beryl comes with
[09:45] <surgy> kite_DH: emerald manager helps you control the way your windows look
[09:45] <Kite_DH> oh
[09:45] <Kite_DH> lets see
[09:45] <NightBird> there is another window manager that lets you use the kde window manager, but still retain all of the plugin effects
[09:46] <Kite_DH> o.o empty
[09:46] <surgy> imop beryl is a resource hog.... i game too much for it
[09:46] <Kite_DH> aw there
[09:46] <surgy> !keyboard
[09:46] <ubotu> To find out how to switch your keyboard layout, See https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[09:46] <NightBird> yeah, it does take an opengl refrence, and if your system doesn't support multiple opengl handles, you're left with software rendering
[09:46] <surgy> !keyboard | dhq
[09:46] <ubotu> dhq: please see above
[09:47] <NightBird> haha nice
[09:47] <surgy> nice AI system you have ubotu
[09:47] <Kite_DH> are there beryl themes?
[09:47] <NightBird> Kite_DH, are you using hardware rendering right now?
[09:47] <NightBird> yes there are
[09:47] <dhq> yes i love ubotu
[09:47] <surgy> kite_DH yes you should join #beryl
[09:47] <Kite_DH> no idea what i use
[09:47] <Kite_DH> ok
[09:48] <surgy> ok guys any last questions before i hit the sack?
[09:48] <NightBird> where do babies come from?
[09:48] <Kite_DH> yes
[09:48] <NightBird> j/k
[09:48] <Kite_DH> what does "hit the sack" mean
[09:48] <Kite_DH> hit your balls?
[09:48] <Kite_DH> or...what
[09:48] <surgy> nightbird: from between your legs :) j/k
[09:49] <Kite_DH> is that like slang or something
[09:49] <surgy> kite_DH: i was refering to sack as my pillow not my testies lol
[09:49] <Kite_DH> lol
[09:49] <NightBird> Kite_DH, it means go to sleep
[09:49] <Kite_DH> oh
[09:49] <Kite_DH> ok
[09:49] <Kite_DH> lawl
[09:49] <NightBird> I don't believe that #kubuntu is the place to talk about your masturbation practices...
[09:49] <surgy> gut nacht soldat und kubuntu
[09:49] <surgy> did i say that right
[09:49] <surgy> ?
[09:50] <NightBird> dunno, it's been about 8 years since I took german
[09:50] <Kite_DH> gute nacht
[09:50] <surgy> lol good night
[09:50] <Kite_DH> ;D
[09:50] <NightBird> sleep well
[09:50] <surgy> yerp
[09:52] <orient2000> !adeptfix
[09:52] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[09:52] <Kite_DH> im like testing around wine rightnow
[09:52] <Kite_DH> >_<
[09:53] <NightBird> good luck
[09:53] <Kite_DH> that konsole stuff rox
[09:53] <NightBird> what version or you using?
[09:53] <Kite_DH> i will need to learn it
[09:53] <Kite_DH> version of kubuntu?
[09:53] <NightBird> no, wine
[09:53] <Kite_DH> no idea
[09:53] <NightBird> wine --version
[09:53] <Kite_DH> 0.9.22
[09:54] <NightBird> hm... 9 versions behind... not too bad I guess...
[09:54] <NightBird> current is 0.9.31
[09:55] <NightBird> which, since the latest updates have focused on dx, and better support for some of that kind of stuff, older versions are fine for most setups
[09:58] <Kite_DH> NightBird: hey, when i type in my console "wine /media/cdrom0/Adobe Photoshop 7.0 Retail/Setup.exe"
[09:58] <Kite_DH> it says
[09:59] <Kite_DH> wine: cannot find '/media/cdrom0/Adobe'
[10:00] <Kite_DH> oh now
[10:00] <Kite_DH> it works
[10:01] <Kite_DH> wow thank you very much
[10:04] <vincent_> hello everybody
[10:06] <andreas_> hello
[10:06] <andreas_> maybe i found some bugs in the adept updater of feisty herd 4
[10:07] <vincent_> I would need some quick help : I installed Kubuntu Edgy i386 on a AMD64 machine, I am running the 2.6.17.11-generic kernel. Now I want to install GPU drivers from http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html. But do I need the IA32 or the AMD64 since I installed Kubuntu from a i386  CD ?
[10:08] <chavo> vincent_ you would need the ia32 but the nvidia drivers are available in the repos
[10:10] <vincent_> thanks chavo but yesterday I installed the nvida-glx from the official repositories and it made my system freeze on Firefox and even adept ... this is why I want to try the legacy version from nvid's website
[10:10] <chavo> vincent_ what card do you have?
[10:10] <vincent_> Twintech Geforce 6200 TC
[10:11] <Kite_DH> nice
[10:11] <Kite_DH> everything works
[10:12] <Kite_DH> NightBird: hey night, is there a way to unzip .rar and .zip files with Ark?
[10:12] <andreas_> there were 46 packages updatable and after downloading there appeared some windows where i should enter a value between -20 and 19. in the detail area were some lines like this: "Use of uninitilaizes value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN3> line 4." (also the same message with <GEN3> line 9, 17, 25, 33, 41, 49, 57 and 65). if someone is interested in this..
[10:12] <NightBird> I believe you can unzip and unrar files using Ark...
[10:12] <chavo> Kite_DH, zip is built in for rar- sudo apt-get install unrar
[10:13] <Kite_DH> thx
[10:13] <Kite_DH> hey chavo
[10:14] <Kite_DH> i installed photoshop 7.0
[10:14] <Kite_DH> and it doesnt launch the app
[10:14] <Kite_DH> somehow
[10:14] <Kite_DH> another question is, how can i uninstall things?
[10:15] <NightBird> using wine?
[10:15] <dettoaltrimenti_> I know the terminal commands adduser and deluser, but how do you show a list of users?
[10:15] <Kite_DH> yes
[10:15] <chavo> Kite_DH, not sure about the photoshop thing it works well with crossover office, but that costs money
[10:15] <osiris> !restriceddd formats > osiris
[10:15] <osiris> !restriced formats > osiris
[10:15] <osiris> !restricted formats > osiris
[10:15] <Kite_DH> hmm
[10:16] <NightBird> Kite_DH, there should be an uninstall in the kde menu...
[10:16] <Kite_DH> how can i get this karamba things agai
[10:16] <Kite_DH> again
[10:16] <NightBird> for some reason, my version of wine has been putting it under lost and found
[10:16] <NightBird> !karamba | Kite_DH
[10:16] <ubotu> Kite_DH: superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[10:16] <NightBird> huh
[10:16] <NightBird> it actually had something on it
[10:16] <Kite_DH> i mean
[10:16] <NightBird> I'm guessing you could just add it using the package manager
[10:16] <Ademan> anyone here who uses ktorrent, how does the queue manager work? the higher a torrent is in the queue manager list the higher priority?
[10:17] <Kite_DH> wasnt there a cmd
[10:17] <NightBird> to start it?
[10:17] <Kite_DH> to dl
[10:17] <Kite_DH> yes
[10:17] <Kite_DH> and install
[10:17] <NightBird> try searching for it in the package manager
[10:17] <NightBird> (aka, adept)
[10:17] <NightBird> or apt-cache search (name)
[10:18] <NightBird> to find the package, then sudo apt-get install <name>
[10:18] <Kite_DH> m konqueror somehow...
[10:18] <Kite_DH> doesnt work
[10:18] <Kite_DH> wait, i got to restart
[10:18] <Kite_DH> brb
[10:20] <dettoaltrimenti_> does anyone know the difference between GTK, KDE, and X11?
[10:20] <NightBird> I do!
[10:20] <NightBird> GTK and KDE are desktop environments
[10:20] <chavo> dettoaltrimenti_, don't know if there's a command to list all users
[10:20] <vincent_> Anyone solved this freezing bug with nvidia cards ? on firefox and other apps under Ubuntu ...
[10:20] <chavo> you can cat /etc/passwd
[10:21] <dettoaltrimenti_> yeah that does it chavo
[10:21] <NightBird> X11 provides an x server that GUI programs use to display stuff to the screen
[10:21] <chavo> try this cat /etc/passwd | grep /bin/bash | cut -d: -f1
[10:21] <dettoaltrimenti_> nightbird- so am I using KDE or GTK? I thought GTK was the 'widgets' part of X11
[10:21] <chavo> that will clean it up some
[10:21] <fdoving> chavo: 'getent passwd' to list all users.
[10:21] <chavo> GTK is the widget set used by gnome apps for the most part
[10:22] <NightBird> dettoaltrimenti_, if you're using kubuntu, you are probably using kde
[10:22] <NightBird> er... gtk isn't an environment... that's gnome >_>
[10:22] <NightBird> gtk is a programming library
[10:22] <chavo> dettoaltrimenti_, kde apps are built using the QT toolkit
[10:23] <chavo> but you can use gtk, gnome apps under gnome and vice versa
[10:23] <dettoaltrimenti_> so gtk is a programming library- so it's only used to install programs?
[10:23] <chavo> under KDE  I mean
[10:23] <NightBird> used to provide a cross platform system that uses the current systems UI items so that GTK programs will look the same as the rest of your applications...
[10:23] <chavo> dettoaltrimenti_, it's the API used to program the apps like WIN32 under windows
[10:24] <chavo> it provides the widgets, etc.
[10:24] <Kite_DH> back
[10:24] <NightBird> wb
[10:25] <dettoaltrimenti_> I'm sorry, I'm just curious about how all this works- so GTK and QT are APIs, application programming interfaces, but what do they do?
[10:25] <Kite_DH> hey..i installed winRAR b4 i knew that Ark can unrar...how can i uninstall winRAR again?
[10:25] <dettoaltrimenti_> Kite_DH- how did you install it?
[10:25] <chavo> dettoaltrimenti_, they draw the windows, the buttons, scrollbars, etc
[10:26] <NightBird> did you use apt-get to install it?
[10:26] <dettoaltrimenti_> chavo- you mean when X11 says I need my desktop icons on the desktop, then QT runs and 'draws' them there right?
[10:27] <chavo> basically QT tells X11 waht to draw, it all sits on top of X
[10:27] <Kite_DH> hmm what happened q.q
[10:27] <NightBird> X11 simply provides a method to draw to the screen and get events...
[10:27] <dettoaltrimenti_> oh ok
[10:27] <NightBird> so it might be able to say 'oh, this part has been uncovered, I better tell that program about it'
[10:28] <NightBird> or.. 'the user clicked! I better tell this program about it..."
[10:28] <fdoving> dettoaltrimenti_: qt provides standard ways to make buttons and boxes easily. if you compare kde apps, you can see the buttons looks much about the same, for example.
[10:28] <dettoaltrimenti_> and KDE and Gnome are equals- so I could run X11 on gnome, or xfce.... and I could run QT or GTK on x11 or xfce, right?
[10:28] <Kite_DH> dettoaltrimenti_: with WINE
[10:29] <NightBird> dettoaltrimenti_, you run gnome, xfce, kde, etc ontop of x11
[10:29] <Jucato> dettoaltrimenti_: X11 runs under all of the graphical stuff
[10:29] <Jucato> kernel -> X11 -> KDE/GNOME/Fluxbox/etc
[10:30] <dettoaltrimenti_> Window System-> Desktop Environment->  "widget toolkit".... so X11, KDE, GTK
[10:30] <fdoving> dettoaltrimenti_: for a better understanding of what an API (like QT and GTK) is and how it works: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/API
[10:30] <NightBird> dettoaltrimenti_, X11 is not a widget toolkit
[10:30] <dettoaltrimenti_> in that order I mean
[10:30] <Jucato> dettoaltrimenti_: not entirely accurate
[10:30] <NightBird> kde is a desktop environment
[10:31] <Kite_DH> so, i installed winRAR with WINE, how do uninstall it?
[10:31] <fdoving> .. but it also have an API.. :)
[10:31] <dettoaltrimenti_> X11 is a window system, which can run a desktop environment(kde or gnome), and within that it runs a 'widget toolkit(this is what wikipedia calls gtk)' (gtk or qt)
[10:31] <NightBird> Kite, is there something in your menu?
[10:31] <Kite_DH> yes
[10:31] <NightBird> the kde menu I mean
[10:31] <Kite_DH> it says
[10:31] <Kite_DH> Wine >
[10:31] <NightBird> does that work?
[10:31] <Jucato> dettoaltrimenti_: the toolkits are not separate layer that's run independently of the Window Manager or Desktop Environment
[10:32] <fdoving> dettoaltrimenti_: yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X11 for more info on X11.
[10:33] <Kite_DH> yes...
[10:33] <Kite_DH> i think
[10:33] <Kite_DH> but i dont want it anymore
[10:33] <NightBird> X11 is below the window system.  kde, gnome, etc provide window managers.  they also provide a desktop environment, and widget toolkits to provide a unified presentation
[10:33] <Kite_DH> since i can do it with ARK now
[10:33] <fdoving> dettoaltrimenti_: as jucato says, the toolkits are used to make programs (like desktop enviroments, KDE and GNOME and their apps), it doesn't run by itself, like X11 does.
[10:33] <NightBird> Kite_DH, is there an uninstall option?
[10:33] <Kite_DH> no there isnt
[10:33] <Jucato> dettoaltrimenti_: a toolkit is a sort of basic building block (program-wise) for making graphical interfaces, such as the control widgets (scrollbars, buttons, dialog boxes) used in window managers and desktop environments.
[10:33] <NightBird> hm... so you want to fine the wine add/remove programs, huh?
[10:33] <Kite_DH> yes
[10:34] <NightBird> Kite_DH: .... good question... better ask in #winehq
[10:34] <dettoaltrimenti_> thanks for the help guys- I found this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_X_Window_System_desktop_environments and I think I'm clear on it now
[10:34] <Jucato> dettoaltrimenti_: you might want to add this to your growing list of wikipedia articles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widget_toolkit
[10:34] <dettoaltrimenti_> I am going through adept, and some things I don't understand like why do I have QT and GTK installed
[10:35] <dettoaltrimenti_> heh thanks jucato
[10:35] <chavo> dettoaltrimenti_, if you install any gtk/gnome apps it will install the gtk library also
[10:36] <dettoaltrimenti_> another question if you can handle it- why do I have QT3 and QT4 installed on my computer, as well as GTK, GTK+, GTK2, GTK+ 2.0 etc things- are they all the same?
[10:36] <Jucato> dettoaltrimenti_: KDE/GNOME basically builds on Qt/GTK. it uses Qt/GTK to draw and define widgets (another term you might want to look up) and how interact with them. KDE/GNOME has it's own API (another term?) or set of functions/classes, but all these use Qt/GTK too
[10:36] <Jucato> dettoaltrimenti_: they're not the same. Qt 3 vs. Qt 4
[10:36] <fdoving> dettoaltrimenti_: the reason you have them installed now, is that if let's say some KDE application wants to make a scrollbar, it executes some code that refers to something in the QT api, if you don't have the QT software libraries installed, that won't work.
[10:37] <Jucato> btw, the only reason why Qt 4 is installed also on Edgy is because the Kubuntu Hardware Database uses Python-Qt4
[10:37] <chavo> KDE4 is built on qt4, but there are some apps that use it already
[10:37] <fdoving> speedcrunch for example..
[10:38] <Jucato> oh yeah, speedcrunch too
[10:38] <dettoaltrimenti_> oh wow, and QT is used in windows and mac too?
[10:38] <fdoving> yes.
[10:38] <Jucato> dettoaltrimenti_: *can* be used, yes. GTK can be used on Windows too
[10:39] <chavo> yup I have the Gimp installed on my windows box
[10:39] <dettoaltrimenti_> is there a way to get a list of all the terminal commands, or is there a nice list somewhere online?
[10:39] <Jucato> !cli
[10:39] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[10:39] <Jucato> you can start with those ^^^
[10:40] <thoreauputic> dettoaltrimenti_: there are *thousands* of commands :)
[10:40] <dettoaltrimenti_> thanks- I was looking at useradd and userdel, and I have an adept package that adds the commands adduser and deluser- weirddd
[10:40] <Kite_DH> how to find out what graphiccard i have?
[10:40] <thoreauputic> dettoaltrimenti_: adduser and deluser are easier to use
[10:40] <dettoaltrimenti_> Kite_DH lspci
[10:41] <Kite_DH> run in konsole?
[10:41] <thoreauputic> dettoaltrimenti_: e.g.  adduser me audio  adds the user "me" to the "audio" group ,  adduser me  just creates a new "me" user :)
[10:42] <dettoaltrimenti_> is that harder than in useradd
[10:42] <Kite_DH> and which one of that is my GFX?
[10:43] <dettoaltrimenti_> oh I see, it's way easier
[10:43] <thoreauputic> dettoaltrimenti_: it's *very* easy - there's even a walk through questions etc if needed
[10:43] <Kite_DH> it says
[10:43] <fdoving> Kite_DH: the one with 'VGA compatible controller'..
[10:43] <Kite_DH> VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0162 (rev a                                                                                              1)
[10:43] <Kite_DH> hmm
[10:43] <Kite_DH> and when i open beryl it crashed
[10:43] <Kite_DH> crashs*
[10:43] <thoreauputic> dettoaltrimenti_: just be sure to logout - login to make the changes effective
[10:44] <NightBird> ok... try installing the nvidia driver
[10:44] <NightBird> (that was to Kite_DG)
[10:44] <Kite_DH> hows that possible
[10:44] <NightBird> er.. DH
[10:44] <fdoving> Kite_DH: you can try 'sudo update-pciids' and then try lspci again.
[10:44] <dettoaltrimenti_> thanks thoreauputic- mainly just trying to go beyong 'newbie' in linux, learn a little more
[10:44] <thoreauputic> dettoaltrimenti_: another good CLI site is http://tuxfiles.org
[10:45] <thoreauputic> simple and a good intro
[10:45] <Kite_DH> now it says
[10:45] <dettoaltrimenti_> thanks
[10:45] <dettoaltrimenti_> one more question- is there way to make the grep command not case sensitive?
[10:45] <Kite_DH> VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44 [GeForce 6200SE TurboCache (TM)
[10:45] <thoreauputic> dettoaltrimenti_:  grep -i
[10:45] <dettoaltrimenti_> thanks
[10:46] <thoreauputic> :)
[10:46] <ksnipa> Quick question i got superkaramba installed and when i run it from the tray and I install new widgets/gadets how do I go about opening them? Where do they save to?
[10:46] <Kite_DH> restart
[10:46] <luca> hello everybody!
[10:47] <Kite_DH> ok
[10:48] <Kite_DH> ok i got nVidia Corporation NV44 [GeForce 6200SE TurboCache (TM)
[10:48] <Kite_DH> but kubuntu says: nv
[10:48] <Kite_DH> lol
[10:48] <luca> can anyone tell me where i can find the small installation cd of kubuntu, that is about 200 Mb, please?
[10:48] <Kite_DH> how can i tell kubuntu i got that card
[10:48] <fdoving> !nvidia
[10:48] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:49] <fdoving> Kite_DH: ^^
[10:49] <chavo> ksnipa, ~/.kde/share/apps/supekaramba/themes but it should be available to use after you install it
[10:50] <ksnipa> chavo, thanks yea thats how I assumed it would work but never seem to show up there, but when I do go to install them again they got the checkmark beside them so don't know whats up with that
[10:50] <Kite_DH> fdoving: somehow i dont get what they want from me
[10:50] <dettoaltrimenti_> does the 'rm' command permanently delete a file, no sending it to the recycle bin right?
[10:51] <Kite_DH> i dont have that synaptic stuff
[10:51] <thoreauputic> dettoaltrimenti_: right
[10:51] <fdoving> Kite_DH: you use adept instead of synaptic.
[10:51] <Kite_DH> ok
[10:51] <dettoaltrimenti_> so, let me get this straight- when you put something in the recycle bin, your computer(as far as terminal commands) is moving the file to another folder, and then keeping a record of what directory the file came from?
[10:52] <fdoving> dettoaltrimenti_: correct.
[10:52] <Jucato> yep yep
[10:53] <Kite_DH> hmm
[10:53] <ksnipa> Chavo, I'm able to get the themes into my list now but when I do add them to the desktop, they don't seem to appear, any ideas?
[10:53] <tuco> Hello all
[10:53] <chavo> ksnipa, if you double click it, it should say if it's running or not
[10:54] <ksnipa> chavo, says its running but can't see it on the desktop anywhere
[10:54] <dettoaltrimenti_> so the way most programs work in linux is there is a program that only works on the command line, then a GUI is made to run those commands? So when I use adept, when I click on buttons it just saves me the time of writing 'sudo apt-get install' and all that: and Synaptic and Adept both use apt-get?
[10:54] <chavo> ksnipa, it may be under your other windows
[10:54] <luca> i found ubuntu minimal installation cd, for the installaton from network. but i would like kde (kubuntu), not gnome! can anyone help me?
[10:55] <tuco> I have a question. I need to download a package to get my ati card working properly, same for my audigy card. All for laptop, thank you fellas.
[10:55] <ksnipa> chavo, lol give me some credit ;) yea I minimized them all nothing there, superkarmba crashed on me just now so I just restarted it, but still nothing, I think I might need to download and re-make it
[10:55] <thoreauputic> dettoaltrimenti_: yes, more or less
[10:55] <thoreauputic> dettoaltrimenti_: usually a GUI program has a CLI backend
[10:56] <thoreauputic> dettoaltrimenti_: or several, sometimes
[10:56] <chavo> ksnipa, hmm may be a buggy theme
[10:56] <chavo> you built superkaramba?
[10:56] <dettoaltrimenti_> CLI is command line interface, ok- are all CLIs usable on their own, in the terminal? for example, aspell, the spellchecker CLI used in openoffice?
[10:56] <ksnipa> chavo, no i installed it using synpatic
[10:56] <chavo> ok
[10:57] <ksnipa> chavo, theme I was running was the clock and also tried the kopete one
[10:57] <thoreauputic> dettoaltrimenti_: it's often much quicker to use the command - aspell is usable on the CLI I think, yeah
[10:57] <ksnipa> same problem for both
[10:58] <chavo> ksnipa, clock magick, that analog clock?
[10:58] <thoreauputic> dettoaltrimenti_: type  aspell --help | less   :)
[10:58] <ksnipa> chavo, yup thats the one
[10:58] <chavo> hmm works for me
[10:58] <tuco> Anyone can help me guys?
[10:59] <ksnipa> yea, You  think making it from source would make a difference?
[10:59] <Kite_DH> reboot
[10:59] <thoreauputic> dettoaltrimenti_: there's also the "dict" command, that looks up words on line from dictionaries ( e.g.  dict weird  dict foo )
[10:59] <dettoaltrimenti_> I uninstalled less
[10:59] <chavo> tuco for the ati card look here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:59] <thoreauputic> dettoaltrimenti_: why ??
[11:00] <chavo> as for the audigy card it should work
[11:00] <thoreauputic> dettoaltrimenti_: less is one of the most useful commands...
[11:00] <Linux_Galore> tuco: you dont need a driver for the audigy card its already there and the ati stuff is on the ubuntu server
[11:00] <Linux_Galore> !ati
[11:00] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:00] <decapitated> Anybody here?
[11:00] <dettoaltrimenti_> ok I'll put it back on, see what it can do
[11:01] <chavo> decapitated, just us bots
[11:01] <thoreauputic> dettoaltrimenti_: less can do heaps - see man less :)
[11:01] <dettoaltrimenti_> will do
[11:01] <thoreauputic> dettoaltrimenti_:   "less is more "
[11:01] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[11:01] <tuco> Well I need to have my audigy 2 zs notebook recognized, as I can't seem to do it!
[11:02] <thoreauputic> dettoaltrimenti_: just curious - why on earth did you uninstall it ?
[11:02] <Kite_DH> im back
[11:02] <Linux_Galore> lesson 1, don't use azureus and amarok at the same time
[11:02] <chavo> you can also use man:/appname to point and click your way through man pages in konqueror
[11:02] <decapitated> Can anybody tell me how to play MP3's with amaroK?
[11:03] <Linux_Galore> tuco: aah no driver for the z series yet
[11:03] <thoreauputic> !mp3
[11:03] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:03] <decapitated> ok. Thanks.
[11:03] <luca> decapitated: you need to install some package
[11:03] <Linux_Galore> tuco: creative are releasing one
[11:03] <tuco> the audigy one work
[11:03] <decapitated> Which one?
[11:03] <decapitated> k
[11:04] <tuco> I made it work once no problem at all
[11:04] <decapitated> cool
[11:04] <tuco> ok downloaded the ati drivers through adept, do I need to restart the machine for it to pick them up?
[11:04] <Linux_Galore> tuco: just use the generic sb driver
[11:04] <tuco> ok
[11:04] <tuco> logging off and back
[11:05] <ksnipa> chavo, i turned my wall paper off now I'm seeing a black square where the clock magic clock would be placed any ideas what this problems linked to?
[11:05] <luca> decapitated: i don't remember... i did it lot of time ago. you can try to do a search in "ubuntu forum"
[11:05] <chavo> ksnipa, no idea sorry
[11:05] <decapitated> ok
[11:05] <ksnipa> chavo, thanks anyways
[11:05] <detto> damn internet
[11:05] <detto> is there any way to see which CLIs a certain GUI uses?
[11:05] <sergo_>  ?
[11:06] <detto> !ru | sergo_
[11:06] <ubotu> sergo_:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[11:07] <luca> decapitated: it's http :// forum.ubuntu-it.org/index.php/topic,24715.0. html
[11:08] <thoreauputic> detto: if you know the package name, look at the files with   dpkg -L | grep bin
[11:08] <Jucato> detto: it's not usually obvious. you'd have to do a bit of research. sometimes the app's description says which backend it uses
[11:08] <decapitated> Bye
[11:08] <thoreauputic> detto: or | grep games  for games
[11:08] <thoreauputic> Jucato: see my answer above
[11:09] <thoreauputic> actually  dpkg -L <packagename>
[11:09] <detto> ill give it a try
[11:09] <Jucato> thoreauputic: he was wondering earlier about GUI apps that are frontends to CLI commands
[11:09] <thoreauputic> Jucato: yes i know
[11:10] <thoreauputic> detto:  dpkg -L <packagename>  gives a full list of the files installed by a package
[11:10] <Jucato> yes, but what I had in mind would be like Adept being a front-end to APT. so it won't be listed in Adept's package list
[11:11] <Jucato> anyway... nvm
[11:11] <thoreauputic> Jucato: ah i see - in that case   apt-det depends adept  is useful
[11:11] <thoreauputic> bah   apt-get depends adept
[11:11] <thoreauputic> ***#$@ typos ....
[11:12] <BitOBear> So I have loaded the tor and privoxy packages but when I enable tor in Firefox it just gives me an error page... any thoughts?
[11:12] <thoreauputic> still wrong .. should be apt-cache depends adept , sorry
[11:16] <sergo_> anybody knows how to connect evolution to egroupware?
[11:16] <sergo_> any plugins?
[11:20] <premier_> does anyone here know how to make icons in konqueror to show movies?  Ive heard its possible
[11:21] <caris_mere> Is there a way to put a link to a partition on the desktop, but not all partitions?
[11:21] <atidem> hi folks
[11:21] <caris_mere> hi
[11:22] <Jucato> caris_mere: try right-clicking on the desktop -> Create New -> Link to Device
[11:22] <caris_mere> jucato: thanks
[11:27] <crazy_bus> :( kubuntu is still losing system files
[11:28] <pesky> I got a new laptop today, how easy is it to get the HP function keys to work
[11:28] <Antonio_Carlos_M> hi
[11:29] <Antonio_Carlos_M> i have problems with KDEtv
[11:29] <Antonio_Carlos_M> can someone help?
[11:31] <atidem> pesky: what's the model?
[11:36] <detto> let me know if this isn't the best place to ask this question, but- I was looking at information on the programming languages Lua and Guile- why are there so many programming languages, and what is the difference between a programming language and scripting language?
[11:37] <Lynoure> detto: yes, #ubuntu-offtopic would be a more suitable place.  But did you tried to find the answer already yourself?
[11:38] <Jucato> !offtopic
[11:38] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:38] <Kite_DH> !mp3
[11:38] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:39] <Lynoure> detto: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_language is a mighty good starting place, and if you spend some time there, you'll prolly find the answers
[11:40] <Alllex> Hey everyone- I want to compile Java; how can I do that from the Konsole?
[11:40] <cox377> i've got this issue when connecting to a kubuntu share. basically when i connect frtom a windows machine it asks for user name and password giving me full read/write access however when i connect from another linx machine it goes straight in on the files but i can only read. how do i make it ask me for the user and pass like it does in windows?
[11:42] <Kite_DH> guys
[11:42] <Kite_DH> i got a problem
[11:42] <Kite_DH> im on kubuntu 6.10 and i cant hear sounds
[11:42] <Kite_DH> like music or whatever
[11:43] <Dekans> how can I have beryl at startup in KDE
[11:43] <cox377> Kite_DH: what sound card have u go?
[11:43] <Dekans> I launch beryl-manager but kwin is often selected by default
[11:44] <cox377> Kite_DH: run this in terminal to set up the sound card
[11:44] <cox377> Kite_DH: sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base
[11:45] <Kite_DH> ALSA or OSS?
[11:45] <Kite_DH> it seems to be installed
[11:46] <cox377> Kite_DH: try one and see which one works
[11:46] <Kite_DH> but i cant even use the volume control
[11:46] <cox377> Kite_DH: what do u mean?
[11:46] <Kite_DH> like when i start Kmix
[11:46] <Kite_DH> i cant choose a device or so
[11:46] <Kite_DH> normally it says HDDI
[11:46] <Kite_DH> or something
[11:47] <cox377> Kite_DH: is there any devices listed?
[11:47] <Kite_DH> no
[11:47] <Kite_DH> theres nothing
[11:47] <cox377> Kite_DH: is it onboard?
[11:47] <Kite_DH> yes
[11:47] <daleach> hey guys I just installed xgl/compiz
[11:48] <daleach> some issues: kpanel is like frozen not working...
[11:48] <daleach> is kpanel still its own app i should see in ps | grep kpanel ?
[11:49] <cox377> does anyone here know more about configuring onboard sound cards
[11:49] <cox377> Kite_DH: i've always had it work straight out of the box for me
[11:49] <Kite_DH> yes i mean that
[11:49] <Kite_DH> sry
[11:49] <Kite_DH> i got pc boxes
[11:49] <Jucato> daleach: the app/process name is "kicker"
[11:49] <Kite_DH> on the other user it works
[11:49] <Kite_DH> but not here
[11:50] <daleach> thanks Jucato
[11:50] <daleach> hehe alt shift tab doens't go backwards (hehe not a biggie)
[11:50] <cox377> Kite_DH: you mean when logged in under different users it works?
[11:51] <Kite_DH> yes
[11:51] <Kite_DH> when i logged into my account
[11:51] <Kite_DH> it works
[11:51] <daleach> and why does alt f2 which pops up the run command window.....get rid of all of my other apps (so weird)... i can still alt tab to them
[11:51] <Kite_DH> and now here on this one
[11:51] <Kite_DH> its not working
[11:51] <Kite_DH> no sound
[11:51] <daleach> i tried alt control left to see if they're on another part of the cube but they'rre not...
[11:51] <Kite_DH> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High
[11:51] <Kite_DH>  Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)
[11:52] <cox377> Kite_DH: so your logged into a differnet account?
[11:52] <Kite_DH> yes
[11:52] <Kite_DH> i am on the account which is not working
[11:52] <cox377> Kite_DH: sorry mate, your gonna have to ask someone like jucato for this prob
[11:52] <Kite_DH> Jucato: did you read my problem?
[11:53] <sampan> i'm no expert but it sounds like that account might just need to be added to the "sound" group?
[11:53] <Kite_DH> o.o
[11:53] <Kite_DH> where to do that
[11:53] <Jucato> I did.. but I'm no hardware person :(
[11:53] <Jucato> !sound
[11:53] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:53] <Kite_DH> its an admin account
[11:53] <thoreauputic> Kite_DH:  actually it's the "audio" group
[11:55] <daleach> so this is strange...my kicker after killing and starting again gives me this... i stop at "examining file progress" source trash:/ 0%
[11:55] <daleach> what's the deal with that thing
[11:56] <Kite_DH> cox377: when i type in my konsole:  lspci -v    it says Capabilities: <access denied>
[11:56] <Kite_DH> cox377: at the ending
[11:57] <Kite_DH> of my soundcard entry
[11:57] <sampan> kite_dh  thoreauputic is right it's the audio group.  system settings --> user management and then you can "audio" to the account's secondary groups (might be a cli way to do that too, but i'm unfamiliar)
[11:57] <sampan> you'll have to go into administrator mode of course
[11:58] <Kite_DH> there is no group called audio or sound
[11:58] <thoreauputic> Kite_DH:  sudo adduser <yourusername> audio
[11:58] <Kite_DH> wait a seccond
[11:58] <thoreauputic> Kite_DH: yes there is
[11:58] <Kite_DH> ok wait
[11:58] <thoreauputic> Kite_DH: you'll need to logout -in to make the cange effective
[11:58] <thoreauputic> *change
[11:58] <Kite_DH> ok brb
[11:58] <sampan> as usual the cli way is easier :D
[11:59] <thoreauputic> sampan: :)
[12:10] <inam> hi all... i need some help in compiling grub-0.97... when i run "make", it says graphics.c not found. has someone worked on grub before?
[12:10] <daleach> i'm on dapper is it possible i can start migrating to edgy eft by putting the new sources in sources.list?
[12:11] <nickgraber> hello
[12:12] <eltese> Has anyone here got around to try out Feisty?
[12:13] <chavo> eltese, been running feisty for a couple of weeks
[12:13] <Tm_T> eltese: Sure.
[12:14] <detto> dleach you can, but there's an easier way- sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade
[12:14] <Tm_T> eltese: Doing gallup?
[12:14] <detto> dleach then once you do that do this: gksudo "update-manager -c -d"
[12:16] <daleach> gksudo?
[12:16] <daleach> what's that
[12:17] <daleach> oh i see
[12:17] <nickgraber> I use kdesu to run gui apps as root
[12:18] <detto> or kdesu
[12:18] <eltese> chavo and tim_t: how does it work?
[12:19] <detto> I think there's another way to do it too with apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:19] <Heavenquake> I have a wireless problem. Running Kubuntu Linux on other PC, I've just put in a wireless adapter PCI card. It is automatically recognized, and works fine. Wlassistant also recognizes my accesspoint. But when trying to connect to that accesspoint, it simply fails. It is unencrypted and is about 3 meters away. My laptop running Windows does fine, and I am asking via this one. Any help?
[12:19] <eltese> is it stable? Does it run fine?
[12:19] <daleach> yeah not sure what apt-get dist-upgrade does really because when i do it i get 0
[12:19] <detto> Heavenquake is it dsl or cable? are you sure you don't need a pppoe connection with a name and password, or a WEP key?
[12:19] <daleach> but i'll read al il in man thanks for the help with the manager thing
[12:20] <detto> daleach I've also read you can just change all the dappers to edgy in sources.list then update upgrade from there too
[12:20] <chavo> eltese, runs great for me
[12:20] <daleach> ah ok cool
[12:20] <Heavenquake> detto: excuse me.. pppoe connection? name and password? there is no wep key or any other kind of encryption
[12:21] <paolo> ciao a tutti
[12:21] <detto> Heavenquake: unless you're using ADSL, you probably don't need it
[12:21] <paolo> ho appena installato kubuntu
[12:21] <Heavenquake> detto, I think it is ADSL
[12:22] <chavo> !it
[12:22] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:22] <paolo> ce ne uno in italiano?
[12:22] <detto> Heavenquake but you've never needed any kind of username and password for this access point?
[12:23] <Heavenquake> detto: not once. All other machines, all running windows, in this house just connects to the unencrypted accesspoint.
[12:23] <chavo> paolo, #kubuntu-it o #ubuntu-it
[12:24] <detto> heavenquake- what's the card model?
[12:25] <Heavenquake> detto: it's a Belkin Wireless G Desktop PCI Card (that's the model name, more or less. No fancy letters/numbers on this one). In Network Settings it seems to work properly, though
[12:25] <dudu> braziliansssss
[12:26] <dudu> anyone of Santa Catarina?
[12:26] <daleach> i get authenticate '/tmp/tmp-Ql8Jn/edgy.tar.gz' against '/tmp/tmp-Ql8Jn/edgy.tar.gz.gpg'
[12:26] <daleach> can't find DistUpgradeViewGtk
[12:27] <atadekudakero> Hai
[12:27] <atadekudakero> anyone from malaysia??
[12:28] <detto> heavenquake: do 'sudo pccardctl ident' in the terminal and tell me what it says
[12:28] <dudu> I'm almost from the malasya
[12:29] <atadekudakero> hai dudu
[12:29] <atadekudakero> where u from?
[12:29] <Heavenquake> detto: nothing
[12:29] <tanlaan> hello everyone
[12:29] <dudu> atadekudakero: hi , are you male or female?
[12:29] <detto> heavenquake: after that, type 'lshw' in the terminal and tell me what it says next to *-network (tell me if it says UNCLAIMED or DISABLED)
[12:29] <hans> ...einen wunderschne Sonntag mittag!
[12:29] <atadekudakero> u m/f dudu?
[12:30] <snsalk> hi
[12:30] <tanlaan> Where can I change the setting of the resolution of the non X environments? *such as ctrl-alt-F1*
[12:30] <hans> Das Linux-Magazin ist ja auch frech... "Linux statt Vista!" schreiben die...
[12:30] <Heavenquake> detto: there are multiple *-network entries, with different numbers
[12:31] <snsalk> englisch oder deutscher channel?
[12:31] <hans> Oh... i don't know how to change the resolution in console... sorry.
[12:31] <thoreauputic> !de
[12:31] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:31] <snsalk> thx
[12:32] <detto> heavenquake: sudo lshw | grep network, tell me if there's anything written after 'network' on any of the lines
[12:32] <snsalk> cu
[12:34] <Heavenquake> it says: *-network [newline+indent]  *-network:0 [newline+indent]  *-network:1
[12:34] <detto> hmmmm
[12:35] <mefisto__> I have a fsck problem that's preventing me from booting. On boot, it begins a fsck check, but before that it says "findfs: cannot resolve UUID=[the uuid of disk] . fsck fails to complete and a message says to run fsck manually, but I get the same cannot resolve uuid message when I do that
[12:37] <hans> Wie kann ich eigentlich mal im Netzwerk umherpingen, mal sehen welcher Rechner on ist?
[12:37] <pesky> i'm glad my new comp got through that fsck check it hung for a while
[12:38] <pesky> does centrino stuff work well with kubuntu?
[12:38] <Heavenquake> detto: ran out of ideas? :(
[12:38] <mefisto__> I have a fsck problem that's preventing me from booting. On boot, it begins a fsck check, but before that it says "findfs: cannot resolve UUID=[the uuid of disk] . fsck fails to complete and a message says to run fsck manually, but I get the same cannot resolve uuid message when I do that
[12:40] <Victor_> http://www.fourmigration.com/link.php?pid=15&cont=5
[12:41] <detto> heavenquake unfortunately, yes. I'll keep looking, but I'm leaving soon...
[12:44] <cpk1> Heavenquake: can you connect to any networks?
[12:44] <cpk1> man I hate troubleshooting wireless but i can never seem to get enough of it
[12:44] <Heavenquake> cpk1, there is only one available accesspoint, and that is the same one that fails connection
[12:45] <cpk1> Heavenquake: whats the device name? wlan0? eth1?
[12:46] <Heavenquake> cpk1: according to wlassistant, the one that recognizes accesspoints at all, is wlan0
[12:47] <cpk1> oh, then i guess "iwlist wlan0 scan" gives results?
[12:47] <n4cht> yay!  networking issues!  i heart those!
[12:48] <Heavenquake> cpk1: strangely, it returns "No scan results"
[12:48] <n4cht> Heavenquake: what kind of adapter is your wlan0?
[12:49] <Heavenquake> n4cht: it's a PCI-card
[12:49] <cpk1> Heavenquake: that could be bad
[12:49] <n4cht> hazard a guess at the chipset?
[12:49] <cpk1> Heavenquake: alright lshw and find the card
[12:49] <georgianus> Hello, my amarok doesn't recognize any song in the collection, I scan it one time and another but the result is zero
[12:49] <n4cht> some prism chipset cards don't seem to respond to iwlist scans.
[12:49] <georgianus> I'm using SQlite, is it a good option?
[12:50] <Heavenquake> cpk1:  lshw returns 3 networking interfaces, and wlan0 is not one of them :/
[12:50] <detto> cpk1- you helped me yesterday get my wireless woking on my laptop, but I restarted and it won't work anymore! When I try 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper', it gives me the message "error inserting ndiswrapper: invalid argument." does this have something to do with me doing an update with apt-get you think?"
[12:50] <cpk1> detto: where you the one with the bcm43xx chipset?
[12:50] <detto> yes cpk1
[12:50] <cpk1> Heavenquake: but you know the name of the device right? find the name of it
[12:50] <Hoxxin> help! i burned a data dvd with K3b and now i cant copy or read the files on the dvd, not in ubuntu or windows, just getting a parameter error :/
[12:50] <cpk1> detto: how did you end up getting the card to work?
[12:50] <cpk1> detto: ndiswrapper or the linux drivers?
[12:51] <detto> ndiswrapper
[12:51] <Heavenquake> cpk1: The name is not listed there, neither...
[12:51] <n4cht> dangit.  i'm really growing to hate this artsd crash bug.
[12:51] <pesky> so i am in the middle of the installation for edgy trying to resize my windows partition and it says...qtparted-filesystem check failed! Totally 1cluster accounting mismatches.
[12:51] <pesky> what does that mean?
[12:51] <cpk1> Heavenquake: so you have 3 network devices other than your wireless card?
[12:51] <n4cht> pesky: did you defrag the drive first?
[12:52] <pesky> no, its a brand new computer
[12:52] <pesky> it does say active for the status of the windows partition
[12:53] <Heavenquake> cpk1: Hmm... There is an onboard LAN-thing, but that've never worked. Then I've got a PCI lan-card too, that works, I've got the wireless card that we're trying to make work, but I can't figure out what the last one is
[12:53] <zorglu_> !info bridge-utils
[12:53] <ubotu> bridge-utils: Utilities for configuring the Linux ethernet bridge. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1-1 (edgy), package size 27 kB, installed size 148 kB
[12:53] <cpk1> Heavenquake: pastebin your lshw output, all of it
[12:53] <n4cht> you should always defrag regardless of the age of the drive.  brand new or not, there's still a chance for a number of problems like bad sectors, and installation fragments.  a lot of times the mfg's don't defrag after installing the crucial security updates/service packs before they ship the system.
[12:53] <Heavenquake> cpk1: okay, hang on then
[12:54] <pesky> n4cht: thanks i will try that ;)
[12:55] <detto> cpk1 ndiswrapper drivers- now modprobe won't let me load the new driver- is there a way I can check to see if ndiswrapper was updated when I did a full upgrade in adept?
[12:55] <n4cht> detto: instead of ndiswrapper, you might also want to consider the linux-wlan-ng package.  that works like a charm for a lot of wireless adapters, and after installing the package and modprobe -r ndiswrapper, it starts at boot and 'just works'.   your adapter might be supported by that package.
[12:56] <n4cht> detto: sudo ndiswrapper -l    make sure your adapter's driver didn't get uninstalled during an upgrade also.
[12:56] <cpk1> detto: dmesg | grep ndiswrapper see if there is anything usefull in there
[12:56] <detto> it's still there n4cht
[12:57] <Heavenquake> cpk1: http://www.pastebin.ca/361882  -- I have to go for lunch, will be right back
[12:57] <cpk1> hrmm ok well its 4 am for me so i cant make any promises i'll be here
[12:58] <detto> cpk1 no, it just has the failed attempts from the past 5 or 6 minutes
[12:58] <n4cht> has anyone had the problem with artsd crashing, and whining about CPU overload?   i tried google, and came up with a lot of people with the same problem, but not a single solution.  (aside from upgrading to 3.5.5, but that's what I'm already running.)
[12:58] <cpk1> Heavenquake:  product: RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI thats your wireless card
[12:59] <cpk1> same card I have which I havent bothered to get working yet
[12:59] <cpk1> n4cht: get 3.5.6
[12:59] <n4cht> cpk1: is it in the repos now?
[12:59] <cpk1> yup
[12:59] <cpk1> use !easysource to add the right ones
[01:00] <cpk1> detto: and you didnt set it so ndiswrapper starts on boot?
[01:00] <n4cht> !easysource
[01:01] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[01:01] <detto> cpk1 I did
[01:01] <cpk1> detto: did you compile ndiswrapper yourself?
[01:01] <detto> cpk1 and it did start I suppose, but it probably sent the same error I've been getting when it tried to load the driver
[01:01] <detto> cpk1 yes
[01:01] <cpk1> detto: did you get a kernel update after compiling it?
[01:01] <vince_> Hi everybody, I would like to test kubuntu feisty. Could someone tell me what the "official" way to upgrade from 6.10 is ? Is it the same as from 6.06 to 6.10 ?
[01:01] <Hoxxin> im in big trouble and need help. i made a backup copy with k3b and was gonna copy the data to a windows machine, all files are on the dvd but i cant paste them into windows or ubuntu
[01:02] <detto> cpk1 yes I did
[01:02] <ubuntu> Hi Guys
[01:02] <cpk1> detto: cat /proc/version and then modinfo ndiswrapper
[01:03] <detto> cpk1 linux version 2.6.17-11-generic, ndiswrapper vermagic: 2.6.17.11-generic
[01:03] <detto> the linux version does say gcc version 4.1.2, while ndiswrapper says gcc-4.1 cpk1
[01:04] <ubuntu> Some Questions, ive got 3 harddrives, one with Xp installed, named sda, one just for Xp Tools, named hda and the third is hdb with ubuntu
[01:05] <cpk1> detto: i would say recompile or do the easy thing and uninstall what you compiled and use the repos
[01:05] <ubuntu> The Installation was Succesfull, but when i Reboot after the Installation there's no GRUB ?
[01:05] <ubuntu> so i can't use Ubuntu
[01:05] <detto> cpk1- the thing is I don't have any access aside from wireless ;) I'll recompile it though
[01:07] <n4cht> hahaha. i generate the sources.list from source-o-matic, and have 92 kde related updates instantly.
[01:07] <ubuntu> what can i do to make GRUB Loaden when i'm Rebootin my System after the Installation ?
[01:07] <cpk1> yeah you miss some nice things without the kde specific repos and backports
[01:08] <detto> cpk1 that worked! thanks
[01:08] <cpk1> no problem
[01:09] <n4cht> cpk1: no kidding!   i didn't even know about the backport repos.  those make me happy.
[01:10] <ubuntu> so is there help 4 me , anyway? anybody ?
[01:10] <n4cht> today i shall do what i've always wanted to do;  resize my ubuntu partition to occupy my entire drive.   now that i have all of my games and apps working perfectly with wine, i no longer need windows -at all-.
[01:10] <vince_> #kubuntu-fr
[01:10] <pesky> n4cht: thats great, stick it to M$
[01:11] <cpk1> hooray n4cht
[01:11] <cpk1> dualbooting is annoying anyways
[01:12] <pesky> indeed, aparently i can run 2 operating systems at once with dual core, i hope thats the case
[01:12] <n4cht> the one game i was most concerned with being able to play was World of Warcraft.  I got it working flawlessly with wine, and even have a super-improved framerate.    i guess it's because i'm not using an OS that devours almost all of my system resources just idling.
[01:12] <cpk1> actually windows always has to use 100% of the cpu
[01:12] <adydas> how did you find wine to get going?
[01:13] <cpk1> i find wiine to be really easy
[01:13] <pesky> yea it nearly always comes up with an error for most apps, i guess i need to configure it better or something
[01:13] <adydas> ive allways wanted to have a play with it, but never got any further than that
[01:13] <n4cht> cpk1: i noticed that recently.  system idle processes always eats up every bit of available cpu time, but never reports it as 100% usage.  weird.
[01:14] <n4cht> windows is just poorly designed, i think.
[01:14] <Chousuke> that's because it doesn't really eat up the cpu :P
[01:14] <n4cht> i'll be glad when i'm rid of it.
[01:14] <Chousuke> it's just there to show you how much of it is idle.
[01:14] <Heavenquake> cpk1: I am back.
[01:14] <cpk1> Heavenquake: you have an airlink pci card right?
[01:15] <Chousuke> And Windows isn't poorly designed, either. The implementation just could be better. :)
[01:15] <n4cht> Chousuke: i'd assume that if it's idling at that cpu usage, it's processing -something-, even if it's a billion blank lines.
[01:15] <Chousuke> n4cht: it's not using the cpu
[01:15] <pesky> Chousuke: M$ are friends with intel so they don't mind making an OS that rapes the CPU, gives people a good reason to buy a faster CPU, which happens to be mainly intels atm
[01:15] <Heavenquake> cpk1: It's a Belkin
[01:15] <cpk1> hrmm ok well we have the same chipset unless you have 2 wireless cards?
[01:15] <n4cht> pesky: which is partly why i only purchase from AMD.
[01:16] <Chousuke> I mean, it would be downright idiotic to consume 100% of CPU all the time
[01:16] <cpk1> except amd is in bed with ati
[01:16] <Heavenquake> cpk1: I seriously doubt I've got 2 wireless cards
[01:16] <pesky> well :( today i bought an intel core 2 duo, i had to for battery life, i have always gone amd, this is my first intel pc
[01:17] <Chousuke> and no matter what you think of Windows, assuming the implementers are so bad that they would allow such a thing is a bit drastic.
[01:17] <cpk1> Heavenquake: ok, then good news, we both have the same chipset
[01:17] <n4cht> cpk1: i've never used an ati card before.  i hear they're 'alright', but i've been more than pleased with all of the nvidia cards i've had.  heck, my old GeForce3 Ti500 with 64mb could run circles around a lot of newer cards.
[01:17] <cpk1> Heavenquake: bad news: I have been too damn lazy to get it working yet since I havent needed wireless on my desktop yet
[01:18] <Chousuke> Or well
[01:18] <n4cht> i moved the GeForce 3 over to the wife's gaming computer, and she gets the same fps that i do.
[01:18] <Heavenquake> cpk1: which means?
[01:18] <cpk1> Heavenquake: we get to learn together!
[01:19] <zorglu_> :)
[01:19] <n4cht> kde update is at 93%.  in the next couple of minutes i'll be restarting X and trying out 3.5.6
[01:19] <pesky> silly kde-look doesn't have wxga wallpapers
[01:19] <cpk1> Heavenquake: "lspci -n" and then find the line that starts with 01:06.0
[01:19] <n4cht> i hope this arts update fixes this bug.
[01:19] <cpk1> is arts getting updated?
[01:20] <n4cht> cpk1: thankfully, yes.
[01:20] <adydas> winecfg sets up wine yes no?
[01:20] <n4cht> adydas: yes.
[01:20] <cpk1> yes
[01:20] <adydas> and if that fails...
[01:20] <n4cht> quite well, i might add.
[01:20] <cpk1> winecfg wont fail
[01:21] <n4cht> it doesn't fail.  it just writes to your wine conf in .wine
[01:21] <adydas> root@desktop:/home/adydas# winecfg
[01:21] <adydas> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[01:21] <cpk1> first dont do winecfg as root
[01:21] <adydas> im following some help file
[01:21] <Heavenquake> cpk1: 01:06:0 0280: 1814:0301
[01:21] <cpk1> nothing about wine needs root
[01:21] <adydas> it suggested it incase it needed it
[01:22] <adydas> "Also, did you try running it as root? Maybe it is trying to establish a call that requires that sort of access.Also, did you try running it as root? Maybe it is trying to establish a call that requires that sort of access."
[01:22] <cpk1> Heavenquake: whats the name of your card?
[01:22] <cpk1> wine doesnt need root
[01:22] <n4cht> adydas: don't do that.   following "some help file" is generally not a good idea unless it's on one of the ubuntu forums, and even then i'd double check it a couple times.    google for "wow wine ubuntu"
[01:22] <n4cht> !worksforme
[01:22] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[01:22] <Heavenquake> cpk1: Belkin Wireless G Desktop Network Card
[01:22] <adydas> n4cht: yes it is a ubuntuforums thread
[01:23] <n4cht> adydas: like i said.. double check it.  find other related threads.   there should be absolutely no reason or time that one would need to run anything wine-related as root.
[01:24] <n4cht> heck, i find running anything that doesn't specifically ask for root access to be a bad idea in general.
[01:24] <n4cht> (running as root, that is.)
[01:26] <Heavenquake> cpk1: ?
[01:27] <cpk1> Heavenquake: like I said I have the same chipset as you but havent done anything with it yet so I have to figure it all out as we go here
[01:27] <adydas> well ill be dammed
[01:27] <n4cht> adydas:  worked properly when not run as root?
[01:28] <n4cht> hold that thought!  time to restart kde!
[01:29] <adydas> Perfectly..
[01:29] <adydas> im amazed
[01:29] <mefisto__> the kde panel crashes every time I click on the K menu. What can I try to fix this?
[01:31] <n4cht> hm.  no arts crash.
[01:31] <n4cht> time to see if the sound system is even turned on.
[01:32] <detto> on my new laptop, the graphics "skip" a bit when I scroll, like it's not scrolling smoothly... anyone know what may cause this
[01:32] <n4cht> it wasn't.  and arts still crashed.
[01:32] <Heavenquake> cpk1: well, I for one knows very little of the inner working of a network-card, so I hope you know that much more
[01:33] <cpk1> Heavenquake: give me a second I think i almost have it working
[01:33] <n4cht> weird.
[01:33] <n4cht> when i select oss, it doesn't crash.
[01:34] <n4cht> awesome.  it works.  i have my kde sounds and everything.
[01:34] <n4cht> i wonder, then, if the root of the problem is alsa?
[01:35] <adz21c> Hi,
[01:36] <adz21c> I am on a machine running dapper, when I boot up most of the time it fails to launch X, the only error i can see in the logs is "error opening security policy file /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy", the file doesn't exist, where would I get this file?
[01:39] <pesky> sweet even my media remote works default :D
[01:39] <adydas> So where does wine put stuff?
[01:39] <n4cht> ~/.wine
[01:40] <cpk1> Heavenquake: also, make sure you have build-essential installed
[01:41] <xenol> plz how can i reconfigure java?
[01:41] <Heavenquake> cpk1: What for?
[01:42] <cpk1> Heavenquake: drivers
[01:42] <zorglu_> !java | xenol
[01:42] <ubotu> xenol: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[01:43] <pesky> n4cht:I defragged the HDD but i still can't resize it :(
[01:43] <xenol> zorglu_:  well i have installed but i also have GNU java and sun and i want to configure alternatives -java
[01:43] <n4cht> pesky: weird.
[01:43] <zorglu_> xenol: reading the page will provide the solution
[01:43] <detto> every time I move anything around, there's this invisible line that goes from the top of the screen to the bottom, it takes about a second to go all the way through, which changes the screen. this happens every time I move a window or scroll- is this a graphics driver problem?
[01:43] <Heavenquake> cpk1: how do you propose I install build-essential without access to the internet?
[01:43] <adydas> ha, stink
[01:44] <mefisto__> anyone know why clicking on the kmenu would crash the panel?
[01:44] <cpk1> Heavenquake: I was assuming you have a wired connection since it has 2 other nics
[01:44] <zorglu_> mefisto__: it is not supposed to, aka it is a bug
[01:45] <xenol> zorglu_:  so sudo apt-get install java-gcj-compat to install GNU java?
[01:45] <mefisto__> zorglu_: it was working fine a few hours ago
[01:45] <zorglu_> mefisto__: oh this is good info
[01:45] <zorglu_> mefisto__: what have you done during the last hours ?
[01:46] <Heavenquake> cpk1: trouble is that the hub/switch for LAN-cables goes in the other end of the house, and that one long cable goes from there and to the accesspoint here.
[01:47] <xenol> plz how can i enable audio/video preview in konqueror? which packages do i need for it?
[01:47] <mefisto__> zorglu_: I installed wine. using it locked everything up, so I gave up and removed wine
[01:48] <cpk1> hrmm well let me see what the dependencies for build essential are
[01:48] <adydas> im just tooting with wine at the moment
[01:48] <adydas> its semi impressive
[01:49] <mefisto__> adydas: could you get any audio using wine?
[01:49] <adz21c_> hi, i am on a machine running dapper and sometimes X failed to start, I checked the logs and only error i see is this "error opening security policy file /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy", where can i get this file?
[01:49] <adydas> mefisto__: Just trying, all ive done so far is install a non sound based program to playings sake
[01:50] <mefisto__> adydas: let me know if you get any sound out of anything
[01:51] <adydas> ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory
[01:51] <cpk1> Heavenquake: hrmm it looks like the build-essential dependencies might start to get a little out of hand
[01:51] <cpk1> anyone know if the live cd has build-essential?
[01:51] <Jucato> cpk1: it doesn't
[01:52] <cpk1> well that is awfully inconvenient
[01:52] <SolidSource> !icq
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[01:52] <adydas> mefisto__: apparantly it also sucks to be me with no sound
[01:52] <cpk1> Jucato: so how to compile drivers for a network card on a box without net?
[01:53] <Jucato> cpk1: I don't know
[01:53] <mefisto__> adydas: did you try configuring anything? that is, winecfg?
[01:53] <Heavenquake> cpk1: I bet I'm screwed
[01:54] <cpk1> Heavenquake: is there another computer using ubuntu?
[01:55] <Heavenquake> cpk1: This one, my laptop, dualboots between Windows(which I'm on right now) and gNewSense, which i can't use due to, guess what, wireless-trouble!
[01:55] <cpk1> Heavenquake: the livecd should have make and and the kernel headers
[01:55] <cpk1> which apparently is enough
[01:56] <cpk1> Heavenquake: you have a livecd right?
[01:56] <Heavenquake> cpk1: I have Knoppix somewhere around, as well as Kubuntu Edgy yes
[01:56] <cpk1> we need the edgy cd
[01:56] <adydas> sheer intrest here, is a linux machine using wine to run a program that windows would get spyware from able to be vunreble to the same types of issues?
[01:57] <Heavenquake> cpk1: right here
[01:57] <Zaza> anyone know encryption well here ?
[01:57] <Ace2016> Hi all
[01:57] <Heavenquake> cpk1: is there anything I should do before booting it?
[01:57] <Ace2016> what do i have to install to be able to play 3gp files?
[01:58] <adydas> arnt they vodafone cellphone files?
[01:58] <Ace2016> i have mplayer and w32codecs but it says there is a proble with the audioo
[01:58] <cpk1> Heavenquake: you dont boot it, hang on i am discussing this with some other people, we are arguing
[01:58] <Ace2016> adydas: yea its for phones
[01:58] <Zaza> Where is a good source for drive encryption advise please ?
[01:58] <Ace2016> but i want to watch them
[01:59] <adz21c_> hi, i am on a machine running dapper and sometimes X failed to start, I checked the logs and only error i see is this "error opening security policy file /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy", where can i get this file? would this even be the cause of my problems? If that's the case then why does it do it intermitantly?
[02:00] <mefisto__> Ace2016: I can watch and hear them with real player 10
[02:01] <mefisto__> Ace2016: mplayer plays them too, but with no sound
[02:01] <MattF> 1 question from a noob chaps, whats the difference between the live CD and the DVD? Whats on the DVD thats not on the CD?
[02:02] <cpk1> Heavenquake: alright sorry for the wait
[02:02] <Heavenquake> cpk1: It's allright
[02:04] <cpk1> Heavenquake: alright mount the edgy cd and then run "apt-cdrom add" also please tell me you have a usb key or even a floppy drive to get the drivers over to the desktop
[02:05] <cpk1> Heavenquake: actually dont think you need the add part
[02:05] <Heavenquake> cpk1: I have a usbflashdisc
[02:06] <Heavenquake> cpk1: nonetheless the cdrom is now added to apt-get
[02:06] <cpk1> Heavenquake: alright aptitude install build-essential
[02:08] <Heavenquake> cpk1: seems to be successfull
[02:08] <cpk1> Heavenquake: http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/data/RT61_Linux_STA_Drv1.1.0.0.tar.gz thats the link for the driver
[02:10] <slow-motion> hallo
[02:10] <pesky> hi
[02:11] <Heavenquake> cpk1: Now i have the tar.gz file on the machine in question. Then what?
[02:12] <cpk1> Heavenquake: untar it to source/wireless or wherever you want
[02:12] <Heavenquake> cpk1: done
[02:13] <cpk1> Heavenquake: cd into the module directory wherever you untarred it to
[02:14] <cpk1> hooray looks like mine works
[02:16] <Heavenquake> cpk1: per@desktop:~/System/Wireless_Driver/Module$
[02:17] <cpk1> Heavenquake: what kernel you running?
[02:17] <Heavenquake> cpk1: I'm not sure. The one that goes with Kubuntu Edgy Eft..
[02:17] <cpk1> 2.6
[02:17] <sgalal> Hello All
[02:18] <cpk1> Heavenquake: do cp Makefile.6 Makefile
[02:18] <Heavenquake> cpk1: done
[02:18] <guiden> is there a new version of kubuntu out there?
[02:18] <Hobbsee> guiden: only edgy
[02:18] <guiden> how do I know which one I have?
[02:18] <cpk1> Heavenquake: then sudo mkdir -p /etc/Wireless/RT61STA/ and please remember caps matter
[02:19] <cpk1> oh whoops dont forget make all from /System/Wireless_Driver/Module hehe =P
[02:19] <cpk1> getting tired over here
[02:20] <sgalal> I have a question about setting up GLUT for compiling things.
[02:20] <Heavenquake> cpk1: Now you made me confused :-P What exactly must I do?
[02:20] <sgalal>  Using Kubuntu Edgy Eft. Even though I installed "Freeglut3" I still get "hw1.cpp:(.text+0xe): undefined reference to `glClear'" etc.
[02:21] <cpk1> Heavenquake: from inside the Module directory do make all
[02:21] <sgalal> Had this error before, but forgot how I dealt with it. It's probably straighforward. My apologies
[02:21] <sgalal> (Compiling with -lGL -lGLU -lglut)
[02:22] <Heavenquake> cpk1: done. Then what?
[02:23] <Jucato> sgalal: did you install freeglut3-dev?
[02:23] <cpk1> Heavenquake: sudo mkdir -p /etc/Wireless/RT61STA/ and please remember caps matter
[02:23] <sgalal> Yes. Then I went crazy and installed a whole bunch of random *-dev packages as well
[02:24] <sgalal> mesa and xlib
[02:24] <Fontemourisca> Hi, i have a ASUS P5B dlx motherboard and Edgy Eft does not recognize the "onboard" sound card, is the a way to solve this problem?
[02:24] <sgalal> it still doesn't work. It's like it isn't finding the .h file. the gl functions are missing, as are glu and glut
[02:25] <sgalal> I start off with #include <GL/gl.h> #include <GL/glu.h> #include <GL/glut.h> #include <math.h>
[02:25] <Heavenquake> cpk1: also done
[02:25] <Jucato> not really sure... what are you trying to compile? you might need more specialized help and might not be a Kubuntu issue
[02:25] <Jucato> sgalal: ^^
[02:26] <Jucato> sgalal: also tried libglut3-dev?
[02:26] <sgalal> :) I see
[02:26] <sgalal> I'm trying to compile a simple GLUT example I was given in class
[02:26] <sgalal> I ran it on the lab computers and it's basically a bunch of lines drawn all around the screen
[02:27] <sgalal> @Jucato, I don't think I have libglut3-dev installed
[02:27] <cpk1> Heavenquake:cp rt2561.bin /etc/Wireless/RT61STA/ cp rt2561s.bin /etc/Wireless/RT61STA/ cp rt2661.bin /etc/Wireless/RT61STA/
[02:27] <sgalal> THe comment on it said it had been replaced by freeglut3
[02:27] <cpk1> Heavenquake: you will need sudo for those
[02:28] <cpk1> Heavenquake: cp rt61sta.dat  /etc/Wireless/RT61STA/rt61sta.dat and that
[02:28] <Jucato> sgalal: ah true...
[02:28] <Heavenquake> cpk1: would loggin in as # be preferably?
[02:28] <sgalal> I'm giving it a shot now
[02:28] <Jucato> sgalal: not really sure what else to do...
[02:29] <sgalal> I shall go and check whether the glut library developers have a forum somewhere :)
[02:29] <cpk1> Heavenquake: i dont care how you do it =P
[02:29] <sgalal> Thanks and ciao
[02:30] <Heavenquake> cpk1: done
[02:31] <Heavenquake> cpk1: or... What was that .dat thing?
[02:31] <cpk1> Heavenquake: cp that as well
[02:32] <cpk1> Heavenquake: and then sudo cp rt61.ko /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/net/
[02:32] <Heavenquake> cpk1: `/etc/Wireless/RT6STA/rt61sta.dat': Not a directory
[02:32] <Skrot> How can I find the ID of a window?
[02:33] <johny_> !help
[02:33] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:33] <cpk1> Heavenquake: copy it from the module directory
[02:33] <cpk1> and /etc/Wireless/RT6STA/ better be a directory because thats what you cp'd everything else to
[02:35] <Heavenquake> cpk1: it worked now
[02:35] <Heavenquake> cpk1: forgot a 1
[02:35] <Heavenquake> cpk1: and the next command is done too
[02:36] <cpk1> Heavenquake: sudo depmod
[02:36] <johny_> !search Movix
[02:36] <ubotu> Found:
[02:36] <Heavenquake> cpk1: done
[02:36] <johny_> !search easy
[02:36] <ubotu> Found: easysource, bzr, repos, newton, easysources, easyubuntu, vmware, alcarte
[02:37] <detto> whats the terminal text editor??
[02:37] <hyper_ch> how can I make usbfs use instead of visor?
[02:37] <Heavenquake> detto: vi/vim, emacs, nano, joe etc...
[02:38] <detto> thamks
[02:38] <Ace2016> mefisto__: Thanks
[02:38] <mefisto__> Ace2016: np. so it works with realplayer?
[02:39] <johny_> Has someone already installed "fbdev" on Kubuntu?
[02:39] <Ace2016> mefisto__: i thanked you for the info, but i haven't installed realplayer yet, its not in my repos for some reason
[02:39] <cpk1> Heavenquake: you know how to use vim at all?
[02:40] <Heavenquake> cpk1: I know enough to code some php with it.
[02:40] <Ace2016> bye all
[02:41] <mefisto__> Ace2016: http://www.real.com/linux
[02:41] <cpk1> Heavenquake: ok you can change some parameters of the card by editing some file, so sudo vi -b /etc/Wireless/RT61STA/rt61sta.dat since it only takes ascii
[02:41] <cpk1> or  kdesu "kate --encoding ISO-8859-15 /etc/Wireless/RT61STA/rt61sta.dat" if you want to use kate
[02:42] <johny_> |
[02:42] <johny_> !fbdev
[02:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fbdev - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:42] <hyper_ch> !usbfs
[02:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usbfs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:42] <Heavenquake> cpk1: what needs to be changed?
[02:43] <cpk1> Heavenquake: anyways, lets get rid of the old broken driver: sudo modprobe --remove rt61pci
[02:44] <cpk1> Heavenquake: and then load the new one modprobe rt61 (start praying)
[02:44] <Heavenquake> cpk1: removed
[02:44] <cpk1> those both need sudo most likely
[02:44] <Heavenquake> cpk1: modprobe rt61 returns void. I suppose this means success as void usually means?
[02:45] <cpk1> yeah
[02:45] <Heavenquake> cpk1: then what?
[02:45] <cpk1> iwconfig should now have ra0
[02:45] <johny_> !search kernell
[02:45] <ubotu> Found:
[02:45] <johny_> !search kernel
[02:45] <ubotu> Found: kernel, kqemu, kernelcompile, generic, bigiron, custom kernel, server, edgykernel*, headers, kernel-source
[02:45] <Heavenquake> cpk1: ra0                 no wireless extensions
[02:46] <cpk1> Heavenquake: then black list the old driver add 'blacklist rt61pci' at the bottom of /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist (no quotes)
[02:47] <Heavenquake> cpk1: :wq
[02:47] <cpk1> yes thats how you write out in vi =P
[02:48] <cpk1> and then echo 'rt61' | sudo tee -a /etc/modules and echo 'alias ra0 rt61' | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/aliases to get the other one to start on boot
[02:48] <detto> i messed up
[02:49] <detto> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Graphics_Driver_.28NVIDIA.29 i followd these instructions and now i have no graphics, but i still have the terminal
[02:49] <cpk1> Heavenquake: still with me?
[02:50] <Heavenquake> cpk1: yes. 2 seconds
[02:50] <Heavenquake> cpk1: what should the first command return? (the echo 'rt61' | sudo tee ...)
[02:51] <cpk1> rt61
[02:51] <Heavenquake> "tee: /etc/modules/: Is a directory [newline]  rt61"
[02:53] <cpk1> i guess thats close enough =P
[02:54] <Heavenquake> cpk1: now the other command's done too
[02:55] <cpk1> alright time to put into /etc/network/interfaces open that file up at put this in it
[02:55] <cpk1> iface ra0 inet dhcp
[02:55] <cpk1> auto ra0
[02:56] <olsta> hi
[02:56] <cpk1> morning
[02:56] <BluesKaj> howdy all :)
[02:56] <Heavenquake> cpk1: :wq
[02:56] <olsta> how can i install my x 1800 under kubuntu?
[02:57] <cpk1> Heavenquake: actually i should have mentioned tahts if you plan on using dhcp =P
[02:57] <BluesKaj> olsta, x1800 ?
[02:57] <cpk1> but I need to sleep right after this so errors like that will happen
[02:57] <olsta> i install the fglrx package from the rep and now?
[02:57] <Heavenquake> cpk1: I'm quite sure that it's dhcp I want
[02:57] <cpk1> Heavenquake: so now theoretically it should work
[02:57] <cpk1> but it doesnt for me =S
[02:57] <cpk1> i think its because I need to know the AP
[02:58] <BluesKaj> olsta, the binary ati pkg ?
[02:58] <olsta> yes from the rep
[02:58] <cpk1> Heavenquake: /etc/Wireless/RT61STA/rt61sta.dat go back to that file and fill in the correct information the readme in the module folder explains the values
[02:58] <olsta> must i edit the xorg.conf?
[02:58] <Heavenquake> cpk1: woooooow... something went terribly wrong somewhere... I run wlassistant, which shuts down immediately due to "no usable wireless devices found""
[02:59] <BluesKaj> !pastebin
[02:59] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:59] <cpk1> Heavenquake: you need to bring it up first, but before you that edit /etc/Wireless/RT61STA/rt61sta.dat with your essid and network type and whatnot
[02:59] <cpk1> before you do that*
[02:59] <olsta> can someone help me?
[03:00] <BluesKaj> olsta, type 'fglrxinfo' in the terminal paste the output in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[03:00] <vrkhans> does there any way i can install Kubuntu from command prompt
[03:00] <Heavenquake> cpk1: Now I'm lost... What should I write in the file?
[03:00] <cpk1> vrkhans: sure is, use aptitude if you already have ubuntu installed
[03:00] <BluesKaj> !kubuntu-install
[03:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kubuntu-install - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:01] <BluesKaj> !install
[03:01] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[03:01] <cpk1> Heavenquake: whats your ssid?
[03:01] <cpk1> Heavenquake: what channel is the ap using? and is it ad-hoc or infrastructure?
[03:01] <Krator> Gah, I just installed kubuntu for the first time (first time I try linux too) - and now I spend 2 hours disabling features I don't need.
[03:02] <olsta> BluesKaj: its by my friend about the phone he told me something with mesa
[03:02] <Heavenquake> cpk1: I seriously don't know
[03:02] <cpk1> Heavenquake: also what channels does your country use?
[03:02] <olsta> he must edit the xorg.conf?
[03:02] <cpk1> Heavenquake: wahts the name of your network?
[03:03] <Heavenquake> cpk1: normally in wlassistant it says "WLAN"
[03:03] <cpk1> hrmm
[03:03] <cpk1> ok well we can see if it works without editing any of that stuff ( i doubt it) do sudo ifup ra0 and then try wlassistant again
[03:04] <frootstripe> hi - recently i've been getting this msg when i update/upgrade --  W: Couldn't stat source package list -- i tried apt-get update but that didn't help
[03:04] <cpk1> also, I know nothing about wlassistant
[03:04] <BluesKaj> olsta , it depends on what he is trying to do  with fglrx driver ...he wants higher resolution on his screen ?
[03:05] <BluesKaj> or is it you , olsta ?
[03:06] <Heavenquake> cpk1: .. I'm online!
[03:07] <cpk1> Heavenquake: I have to say even though I havent gotten it working yet it seems I am pleased with the results so far, last time i tried getting this card to work it locked me up
[03:07] <cpk1> Heavenquake: it worked for you?
[03:07] <olsta> he want 3d support
[03:08] <Heavenquake> cpk1: It worked. I don't know how, it just worked. Said "Connection failed", and then suddenly just worked nevertheless
[03:09] <cpk1> Heavenquake: do me a favor and do iwlist scan and see if it scans for you
[03:09] <Heavenquake> cpk1: ra0 returns some stuff.
[03:09] <cpk1> Heavenquake: other networks?
[03:10] <Heavenquake> "interface doesn't support scanning" on the lot
[03:10] <cpk1> Heavenquake: so it says ra0 doesnt support scanning?
[03:11] <Heavenquake> cpk1: no, ra0 is the only one that does, it seems. "scan completed"
[03:12] <d34l3r> hi all
[03:12] <cpk1> Heavenquake: and shows information about other networks?
[03:12] <d34l3r> need some help I get this error when running Beryl and when i try to start glxgears: d34l3r@home:~$ glxgears
[03:12] <d34l3r> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:12] <Heavenquake> cpk1: 2 seconds, I'll pastebin the result
[03:13] <Heavenquake> cpk1: http://www.pastebin.ca/362035
[03:14] <cpk1> Heavenquake: yeah looks like it can do scans, thanks guess I have some more work to do to get mine to work
[03:14] <d34l3r> ... Heavenquake
[03:14] <snikker> is possible to set the home dir when i lunch kdesu?
[03:14] <d34l3r> may u help me, too ?
[03:14] <cpk1> Heavenquake: but hey at least yours works now, I dont really need mine =P
[03:15] <Heavenquake> cpk1: and there was much rejoice
[03:15] <fritz> hey guys how do I enable my 6600 pci-e video card
[03:15] <angasule> !nvidia | fritz
[03:15] <ubotu> fritz: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:16] <cpk1> Heavenquake: sorry it took so long but I was learning as I was going too =)
[03:16] <fritz> invidia
[03:16] <cpk1> even though I own the chipset i had never bothered trying it
[03:16] <d34l3r> got some Problem when running Beryl / glxgears: d34l3r@home:~$ glxgears
[03:16] <d34l3r> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:16] <d34l3r> << ATi RADEON 9600 XT
[03:16] <d34l3r> + xorg-driver-fglrx
[03:17] <mefisto__> whenever I click the application menu, the panel crashes. anyone have any ideas?
[03:18] <cpk1> Heavenquake: can you do me a a favor and pastebin the contents of /etc/Wireless/RT61STA/rt61sta.dat
[03:19] <tudza> I have a question about using krdc
[03:19] <weatherman> hi, what's a program to perform floating point decimal binary conversion?
[03:20] <Heavenquake> cpk1: 2 seconds
[03:22] <Heavenquake> cpk1: http://www.pastebin.ca/362040
[03:22] <cpk1> thanks
[03:22] <Heavenquake> cpk1: and before I forget it: thank you very, very much for your help
[03:22] <cpk1> Heavenquake: no problem, now its time for me to crawl into bed =P
[03:23] <Krator> Whee, it works.
[03:23] <Heavenquake> cpk1: sleep well
[03:25] <Krator> I have just installed kubuntu, and this machine runs windows too. Do I have to install my video card drivers again?
[03:26] <Chaffinch> Krator: depends what video card you have
[03:26] <Krator> GeForce 7600 GS ?
[03:26] <Heavenquake> Krator: Propably... try running "glxgears" in Konsole, to see how good the gears are running
[03:27] <angasule> !nvidia | Krator
[03:27] <ubotu> Krator: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:27] <Krator> yea, I saw that section, and I wondered if it applied to me :)
[03:27] <fritz>  what ubuntu has and kubuntu must be different
[03:27] <Krator> Hm, this is weird. Every time I click a link from here it attempts to re-load firefox.
[03:28] <fritz> I cant follow the directions they give me
[03:28] <fritz> why dont they give directs for people that use kubunto?
[03:28] <Krator> okay, I see some running gears. What do they tell me?
[03:29] <fritz> I got to managing repositories
[03:29] <fritz> the rest is so different I cant see what they are talking about
[03:30] <fritz> they want me to check 'restricted' and I dont have that option, at least its not where they say it is
[03:32] <Krator> fritz: I'm doing about the same now, and it's working without doing that part
[03:33] <Krator> although it's downloading 293M of files now :S
[03:33] <fritz> I see the full upgrade option. Do I do that?
[03:34] <Krator> I think I clicked that button
[03:34] <fritz> ok
[03:34] <Krator> not sure anymore
[03:34] <johny_> hey. Does someone of you use console unrar to extract files?
[03:36] <Blued0g> hey, does anyone know aything about xirc behind a firewall or proxy?
[03:36] <Blued0g> gaim works fine, as does mirc in windows, but xirc connects and doesnt receive or send messages
[03:38] <Jucato> johny_: unrar x filename.rar
[03:38] <Jucato> bbl...
[03:39] <BluesKaj> Blued0g, why bother with a fw or proxy , this is linux , unless yer on an office system ?
[03:39] <jaaroo> does ubuntu support LCD displays with pivoting? I would like to buy one and wonder if ubuntu can do resolution switching automatically.
[03:39] <johny_> Jucato: thanks, I knew it -:). The problem is I can't extract a multi file archive like (r00, r01) ecc.
[03:39] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Linux systems get hacked.
[03:40] <BluesKaj> Blued0g, konverstion is easier to use
[03:40] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Especially if you're not a security ninja, like maybe you're new to linux?
[03:40] <Krator> the command "sudo nvidea-xconfig" gives a ' not found'  error
[03:40] <fritz> wow, 235 mb
[03:40] <jhutchins> A minimal box running ipchains makes a great firewall.
[03:40] <BluesKaj> I'm behind a router , i guess that helps , jhutchins
[03:40] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Best if it's a seperate box from your main system.
[03:40] <jhutchins> So'm I.
[03:41] <Krator> fritz: I cancelled it
[03:41] <jhutchins> That was pretty much my first linux project
[03:41] <fritz> hey man did you download the nvidia driver?
[03:41] <jaaroo> Krator: nvidea? try nvidia instead :)
[03:42] <Krator> aarg.
[03:42] <BluesKaj> so jhutchins , you recommend that ppl with modems use FW and AV software in linux
[03:42] <Krator> ok, that gives an error too
[03:42] <fritz> cause I thinkyou will get that error if it is not downloaded
[03:42] <Krator> unable to load nvidea kernel driver
[03:42] <Krator> nvidia*
[03:44] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Um, a plain modem, no, you probably don't need a full firewall.
[03:44] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: AV only if you share with windows systems.
[03:45] <krille> hello, i wounder if there is any swedish IRC channel for ubuntu?
[03:45] <krille> kubuntu i mean
[03:46] <Jucato> !se
[03:46] <ubotu> Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se
[03:46] <BluesKaj> Krator, http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&subword=1&version=edgy&release=all&keywords=nVidia&sourceid=mozilla-search
[03:46] <dromer> hi, I'm trying to make a bootfloppy, but when i format the froppy with fdformat /dev/fd0 I get: Could not determine current format type: No such device
[03:46] <dromer> froppy=floppy :P
[03:47] <BluesKaj> yeah, jhutchins , we have windows pc on the network but it's also behind the router , and we use AVG on it
[03:48] <Krator> BluesKaj: ok, one of the files there is what I just installed. Which other one do I need?
[03:48] <Schuenemann> hi, what is the difference between the CD and DVD version?
[03:48] <rylasasin_> hi all whats up?
[03:49] <BluesKaj> Krator, for ?
[03:49] <Krator> Making my nvidia drivers work?
[03:50] <Krator> Had downloaded Package nvidia-glx via Adept
[03:50] <BluesKaj> Schuenemann, the dvd comes with pkgs from the repos already loaded
[03:50] <Schuenemann> humm
[03:51] <BluesKaj> Krator, you said the glxgears cmd in the terminal works ?
[03:51] <Krator> yes
[03:51] <Krator> and it shows some gears
[03:51] <Krator> (but when it does, all other gfx things are really slow, though)
[03:51] <Jucato> glxinfo | grep render
[03:51] <Schuenemann> BluesKaj, is that ISO generated periodically as those packages get new releases?
[03:51] <BluesKaj> does the box turn as well, krator , or just gears /
[03:52] <Jucato> glxinfo | grep direct
[03:52] <thomas_> salut a tous
[03:52] <thomas_> j'ai besoin d'aide
[03:52] <Schuenemann> !fr
[03:52] <thomas_> il y a un francais ici ?
[03:52] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:52] <Krator> just the gears as far as I can see.
[03:52] <BluesKaj> Schuenemann, not sure , i would imagine so
[03:52] <Schuenemann> hmm I guess I'll stick with the CD
[03:53] <BluesKaj> then you don't have DRI set up , Krator..hang on
[03:53] <jhutchins> Krator: What some people miss is that if you run glxgears in a console window, you get information on the framerate there.
[03:54] <BluesKaj> Krator, http://www.albertomilone.com/latest_nvidia_udsf_edgy.html
[03:54] <fritz> can somebody help with my nvidia driver?
[03:55] <Krator> fritz: still trying the same as you
[03:55] <fritz> yeah, man. I have a very fast pc and it locked up on my while installing the upgrades
[03:56] <angasule> !games
[03:56] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[03:57] <Krator> BluesKaj, that website worked, until it tried to make me do ' sudo nvidia-xconfig'
[03:57] <fritz> Linux is cool and all, but getting it setup is real pain
[03:57] <Krator> which gave a ' command not found'
[03:59] <mefisto__> whenever I click the application menu, the panel crashes. anyone have any ideas?
[03:59] <angasule> ubuntugames.org is down? or doesn't exist?
[04:00] <Vincent_k> quick question: can anyone recommend and hdd based mp3 player that's compatible with linux
[04:00] <biohazard> # ubuntu.pl
[04:00] <biohazard> #ubuntu
[04:00] <fritz> ipod
[04:00] <fritz> sandisk
[04:01] <Vincent_k> I got the impression that ipod is a pain
[04:01] <fritz> it is when you try to mess with pics
[04:01] <Vincent_k> ok
[04:01] <Vincent_k> that's not something I'm gonna mess with
[04:01] <fritz> music works pretty good with amarok
[04:02] <fritz> I use it with my ipod
[04:02] <BluesKaj> sorry Krator , dunno
[04:02] <Vincent_k> ok is there support for ipod in amarok from the beginning
[04:02] <Vincent_k> or will I have to install and configure stuff?
[04:03] <Vincent_k> I mean can I just plug the ipod in and start useing it right away
[04:03] <fritz> I can actually plud the ipod  up to the pc and play the songs straight off the ipod through my pc speakers
[04:03] <fritz> yeah, I did. I just plauged it in
[04:04] <fritz> oops, I mean plugged
[04:04] <biohazard> #ubuntu .pl
[04:04] <angasule> what's the .pl ?
[04:04] <biohazard> #ubuntu pl
[04:04] <Vincent_k> I understand don't worry ;)
[04:04] <Jucato> !pl | biohazard
[04:04] <ubotu> biohazard: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[04:05] <biohazard> dzieki
[04:05] <biohazard>  wlasnie tam chce sie udac
[04:06] <Krator_> BluesKaj: I assume it was you who sent me something, but it crashed, so I didn't get it.
[04:07] <BluesKaj> Krator , I didn't send anything , just posted it in the channel
[04:08] <fritz> sad thing is, the picture option with the ipod is really cool, but Linux has had anyone make a program that can successfully put pictures on the ipod
[04:08] <fritz> and view them
[04:08] <fritz> I mean has not has
[04:09] <fritz> sheesh I cant type
[04:09] <fritz> HS NOT HAD
[04:09] <Krator_> Is there a way to avoid typing my password ten times per hour?
[04:09] <fritz> there we go
[04:09] <fritz> lol
[04:09] <angasule> Krator_: why do you have to type your password so much?
[04:10] <scoates> what is the first field in dmesg for? looks like this: [17269714.316000] 
[04:10] <fritz> after you get things setup the way it suppose to be, you should have to put it in quite as often
[04:10] <Krator_> every time I load Kopete, and every time I load Adept
[04:11] <scoates> fritz: you can use   ipod://   in konqueror
[04:11] <fritz> kopete even?
[04:11] <fritz> yes, but have not had any luck with the pics
[04:12] <fritz> I can get them loaded, but they do not display on the ipod viewer
[04:12] <scoates> Krator_ right-click on the wallet in your kicker tray, then configure, and uncheck the "close when..." boxes
[04:12] <scoates> fritz: hmm.. I dunno. I gave up and installed rockbox
[04:12] <Krator_> GAH. Still saying that it's unable to load nvidia kernel driver.
[04:13] <fritz> scoates: does the pics work for you?
[04:14] <Zorix> any idea why konversation doesnt work with psybnc passwords
[04:15] <Zorix> says its invalid no matter what i put in.. and in other irc clients works fine
[04:15] <scoates> fritz: can't remember (-: I'm pretty sure you can sync pictures with kio_ipod, though (ipod://)
[04:15] <fritz> hmm, I'll try it
[04:16] <Krator> Whee. It works :)
[04:16] <fritz> congrads!!!
[04:17] <Krator> now what was the command for the cogs..
[04:20] <xenol> !wmv
[04:20] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:20] <Krator> BluesKaj, thanks for the help.
[04:20] <Vincent_k> My gf have an Ipod but I havn't dared pluggin it in om my kubuntubox
[04:21] <Vincent_k> dont wanna mess upp her playlists and stuff
[04:21] <dromer> can anybody help me do a network install on this ancient laptop of mine? I really want to make it a minimal install
[04:23] <Dutch_Canuck> does anybody know how I can get "/usr/bin/pkill -HUP java" to stop crapping out in my bash script?
[04:25] <xenol> can anyone help me how to enable audio preview and video thumbnails in konqueror?
[04:27] <fritz> can I get some help on loading nvidia drivers?
[04:28] <mefisto__> panel is crashing whenever I click the kmenu button. if I restart it with "sudo kicker", it works. But it's the default panel. How can I reset the panel so that kde starts with a working menu?
[04:29] <nagyv> hello! I would like to try out my backporting skills using jdong's howto and prevu, but prevu has some package requirements. Do I have to set them up one-by-one or to install them is enough?
[04:29] <rohan> hi .. how did kubuntu feisty get flash9 working in konqueror ?
[04:29] <BluesKaj> fritz, http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Nvidia_Edgy
[04:29] <Krator> OpenOffice.org help tells me to find a XF86Config file. Where is that one?
[04:29] <fritz> thanks
[04:30] <nagyv> Krator: under /etc/X11/Xorg.conf
[04:31] <Jucato> er.. /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:32] <Zorix> any idea why i cannot make windows only show up in the task bar of the desktop im on? after an update that option disappeared
[04:33] <Jucato> Zorix: right-click panel -> Configure Panel -> Taskbar options?
[04:33] <Zorix> yep
[04:33] <Zorix> was there
[04:33] <Zorix> not anymore
[04:33] <BluesKaj> Zorix, windows?
[04:33] <Zorix> well the tasks
[04:33] <Zorix> maybe its because of beryl or the nvidia drivers?
[04:33] <Vincent_k> fritz: wohoo it just work's and it work's beautyfully to :D
[04:33] <Vincent_k> ipod that is
[04:34] <Vincent_k> time to upgrade from my old creative muvo fm 512mb :D
[04:34] <mefisto__> anyone understand how the kmenu works?
[04:35] <nagyv> mefisto__: you click the button, and it opens up. Do you have a more specific question?
[04:35] <fritz> Vincent_k: grangrads friend!
[04:35] <fritz> Vincent_k: grangrads friend!
[04:35] <mefisto__> clicking the button crashes the panel. I'm trying to reset the panel to the default and start again
[04:36] <BluesKaj> beryl, bah humbug ...causes more probs than it's worth :)
[04:36] <fritz> Vincent_k: congrads friend!
[04:36] <fritz> I am trying to type with a 3 year old in my lap
[04:37] <scoates> why is it that top would show my CPU as 90% user, but the process list only shows 2 or 3 tasks that have > 0% user (and of those, they only add up to ~15%) ?
[04:37] <nagyv> mefisto__: a couple of think to try: 1) remove the kmenu button from the panel, 2) try to open it with the keyboard shortcut (alt-F1) (to see where is the problem)
[04:37] <Dutch_Canuck> any bash script pros in the house??
[04:38] <scoates> Dutch_Canuck: just ask
[04:38] <fritz> its lying
[04:38] <Dutch_Canuck> anybody know how I can get "/usr/bin/pkill -HUP java" to stop knocking out in my bash script?
[04:38] <scoates> fritz: heh.. ok, how can I ask it politely not to lie?
[04:38] <Lazydog> wondering if i might get some help here  when booting i get an error right after the kernel is uncompressed.  "invalid compressed format (err=2)"
[04:38] <Lazydog> doesn't matter what option i choose on the boot menu
[04:38] <scoates> Dutch_Canuck: "knocking out"?
[04:39] <mefisto__> nagyv: alt-F1 crashes panel too. Also, right-clicking and moving the mouse to "add application to panel" crashes it.
[04:39] <fritz> say please....while holding a recycling container     :o)
[04:40] <fritz> you got to give it a reason to tell the truth, man
[04:40] <Kr4t05> Hrm...
[04:40] <scoates> fritz: should I bribe it with extra swap space?
[04:40] <Dutch_Canuck> yeah - the script starts ok until it gets to the "/usr/bin/pkill -HUP java" and then it errors out
[04:40] <Kr4t05> angasule: Hey, I figured out my Amarok/xine problem.
[04:40] <Antonio_Carlos_M> hi
[04:41] <angasule> Kr4t05: what was it? :?
[04:41] <mefisto__> nagyv: the problem seems to be that I can't access the app menu without crashing kicker
[04:41] <scoates> Dutch_Canuck: and what error does it give?
[04:41] <fritz> how big is your swap?
[04:41] <Antonio_Carlos_M> can someone help me with 3ddesk
[04:41] <Kr4t05> angasule: I had to delete ~/.xine/
[04:41] <Jucato> Antonio_Carlos_M: what about 3ddesk?
[04:41] <scoates> fritz: big.. the bribing was a joke...   but seriously, why would top lie?
[04:41] <Kr4t05> angasule: That fix everything... But now Amarok won
[04:42] <angasule> Kr4t05: ah, something was very wrong with xine, then :/
[04:42] <Kr4t05> won't match the rest of my KDE color-scheme.
[04:42] <fritz> honestly dude, that doesnt make sense
[04:42] <Kr4t05> But, that's a minor annoyance.
[04:42] <fritz> I really dont know
[04:42] <scoates> yeah.. not cool
[04:42] <nagyv> rename ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc to something else, and restart kde (or even better, log out, rename in the console, and log back)
[04:43] <nagyv> mefisto__: ^^
[04:43] <nagyv> mefisto__: finally you will get a new kicker config file
[04:43] <Dutch_Canuck> no error - it just doesn go any further than that
[04:43] <mefisto__> nagyv: thanks I'll try that
[04:44] <ElbridgeGerr1> I've installed KDE, but whenever I change my resolution to above 1152x768, my screen fills with garbage and such. Why is this?
[04:44] <Dutch_Canuck> i've tried putting it in quotes, without quotes - no joy
[04:45] <empiric> hi all
[04:45] <empiric> any idea why my konqueror is crashing
[04:45] <empiric> i have no idea why
[04:45] <empiric> how i cure that
[04:45] <mefisto__> nagyv: thanks, it worked. I didn't restart kde, just kicker, but I think it's fixed it.
[04:50] <mefisto__> nagyv: actually, it didn't work. got a new panel, but kmenu is still crashing it
[04:51] <nagyv> mefisto__: and you still can not remove kmenu?
[04:52] <nagyv> anyone using prevu here?
[04:52] <mefisto__> no, I can remove it, I just can't left-click to display it or alt-F1 without crashing the panel
[04:52] <nagyv> \join ubuntu
[04:54] <mefisto__> nagyv: if I restart the panel with "sudo kicker" it works normally. So I think it must be something in my ~/.kde directory
[04:54] <nagyv> mefisto__: definitely, but I don't know what. It will be probably under share/config or share/apps
[04:55] <Jucato> mefisto__: it only crashes if you try to launch the k menu?
[04:55] <mefisto__> yes, or if I right-click the panel, and hover the mouse over "add application to panel"
[04:56] <mefisto__> anything that displays the menu will do it
[04:56] <Jucato> must be something that was recently added to the k menu. what was the last app you installed?
[04:56] <mefisto__> I installed (then uninstalled) wine, but it didn't create anything in the menu
[04:57] <Jucato> mefisto__: ok try this. run "kbuildsycoca" in Konsole and ignore the error messages. then try launching the K menu again
[04:57] <mefisto__> what does that do?
[04:58] <Jucato> it rebuilds the KDE database and updates your k menu
[04:58] <mefisto__> still crashes
[04:59] <Jucato> ok, another approach. go to ~/.config/menus/ and move or rename the applications-kmenuedit.menu file
[05:00] <mefisto__> Jucato: that did it! thanks
[05:00] <Jucato> whew
[05:00] <mefisto__> no wait
[05:01] <Jucato> O.O
[05:01] <mefisto__> whatever is in lost + found is crashing it
[05:01] <Jucato> mefisto__: can you launch kmenuedit?
[05:02] <mefisto__> yes, but when the mouse gets to lost+found, it crashes
[05:02] <Jucato> hm...
[05:02] <mefisto__> in kmenuedit, there's nothing in lost+found
[05:03] <Jucato> weird...
[05:03] <abhinay> My memory stick got currupted, how can i fix it ?
[05:03] <abhinay> iam getting this error : Error: Unable to open /dev/sdb1 - unrecognised disk label
[05:03] <mefisto__> can I remove lost+found in the menu editor?
[05:04] <Jucato> mefisto__: can you check if there's a lost+found folder in ~/.local/share/applications/ ?
[05:05] <mefisto__> Jucato: no, there isn't
[05:06] <mefisto__> but at least I have the menu back
[05:07] <dhq> my win and capslock keys dont work it works on windows but not on kubuntu any help
[05:07] <LambSlayer> I've got a problem with swap it gives me invalid argument..
[05:07] <mefisto__> Jucato: let me try restarting kde, it might magically fix the lost+found weirdness
[05:08] <Jucato> mefisto__: er.. reinstalling isn't always the answer :)
[05:08] <Jucato> mefisto__: did you install something with wine?
[05:08] <mefisto__> Jucato: yes, I tried but it didn't finish installing
[05:09] <Jucato> it might be due to that... try checking in ~/.local/share/applications if there's a .desktop file that has the name of the app you tried to install using wine
[05:11] <mefisto__> Jucato: no, nothing unusual
[05:12] <Jucato> i'm out of ideas... another thing you could try would be: run kicker from Konsole so that you can see error messages when it crashes, and to create a backtrace when it crashes (using the kde crash handler dialog box)
[05:12] <mefisto__> oh wait!!!
[05:12] <mefisto__> I just noticed the menu editor didn't reflect the new menu
[05:12] <manligfe> Hey guys, I have a somewhat annoying issue. For some reason Xorg uses between 25 and 50% of my CPU constantly... I've been trying to find the cause but without success, I'm running edgy on an AMD 3500+ and with an ATI radeon x600 card and thus with the fglrx driers. Any suggestions are welcome
[05:12] <mefisto__> restarted menu editor and there's a bunch of things in lost+found (in menu editor)
[05:12] <Jucato> mefisto__: try running "kbuildsycoca" again to update the menu
[05:13] <Jucato> what are those bunch of things?
[05:14] <mefisto__> items I'd edited in the menu
[05:14] <Jucato> ah
[05:14] <manligfe> anyone?
[05:15] <mefisto__> Jucato: can I delete them in the menu editor?
[05:16] <Jucato> mefisto__: have you run kbuildsycoca after renaming/moving the applications-kmenuedit.menu file? and it still crashes? if the stuff in Lost+Found are not that important to you..maybe you can
[05:17] <mefisto__> I renamed applications-kmenuedit.menu, but it didn't get recreated.
[05:18] <Jucato> yeah. if you rename/move that file, the K Menu will revert to the default KDE settings for the K Menu.
[05:18] <Jucato> it would put your created menu entries probably in Lost+Found.
[05:18] <pjesi> is it possible that /etc/hosts is not read as the primary dns provider?
[05:19] <pmjdebruijn> pjesi: probably, I'm not sure, but /etc/hosts is most likely a fallback
[05:20] <pjesi> well usually it is the first place to look for
[05:20] <pjesi> and besides it is not working as a fallback now
[05:20] <pjesi> (this was not the case before an update)
[05:22] <vignesh> Hi
[05:22] <vignesh> I have problem using google talk in kopete
[05:23] <vignesh> its not able to authenticate
[05:23] <mefisto__> Jucato: ok, I moved everything out of lost+found, and now it's crashing again
[05:23] <vignesh> Hi Jucato
[05:23] <Jucato> hi vignesh
[05:24] <vignesh> Jucato: remember me ?
[05:24] <rylasasin> anyone remember me? :P
[05:24] <Jucato> heh
[05:24] <vignesh> Heh
[05:24] <rylasasin> lol
[05:24] <vignesh> I know Jucato from #kde
[05:24] <Jucato> not so much... but I've had a lot of things in my mind lately that I forget even important things
[05:24] <Jucato> mefisto__: I'm out of ideas...
[05:25] <vignesh> Its me kdeuser
[05:25] <Jucato> mefisto__: you can try bringing it to #kde as they might have some answers
[05:25] <Jucato> vignesh: oh lol
[05:25] <Jucato> :P
[05:25] <rylasasin> I built this computer as  a school project... never thought I'd actually use it again :P... well untill my windows machine decided to take a s***
[05:25] <mefisto__> Jucato: you gave me plenty of clues. thanks
[05:25] <vignesh> Heh.. now he remembers..
[05:25] <Jucato> :D
[05:26] <vignesh> Jucato:  I have problem using google talk in kopete
[05:26] <Jucato> vignesh: have you followed the Kopete+Google Talk setup guide?
[05:26] <vignesh> link please
[05:26] <Jucato> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Google+Talk+support
[05:26] <Jucato> you need to have qca-tls installed
[05:27] <vignesh> ok...ty
[05:28] <vignesh> also.. I use 0.11.x .. is there anyway to make it support conference`s ?
[05:28] <vignesh> A yahoo conference with more than one person
[05:29] <Jucato> you're on dapper?
[05:29] <vignesh> yes
[05:29] <Jucato> ah... hm..
[05:29] <Jucato> there are KDE 3.5.5 packages for Dapper
[05:30] <vignesh> you want me to update kde ?
[05:30] <Jucato> that might be the only way "safe" way to get Kopete 0.12.x
[05:30] <vignesh> Ah..
[05:30] <mefisto__> Jucato: got it. I deleted everything in lost+found, everything is normal
[05:30] <Jucato> mefisto__: oh. well, at least it works now :)
[05:31] <Jucato> bye
[05:31] <nagyv> anyone using prevu here? I would like to build frozen bubble v2, but it depends on libsdl-pango-dev, what builds fine with prevu, but is not found when I would like to build frozen bubble.
[05:33] <rylasasin> does anyone know if theres a plugin for widescreen support?
[05:33] <rylasasin> as in support for widescreen monitors?
[05:35] <BluesKaj> !widescreen
[05:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about widescreen - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:35] <BluesKaj> !resolution
[05:35] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:36] <xenol> which packages do i need to enable audio and video thumbnails?
[05:38] <BluesKaj> audio thumbnails?
[05:39] <BluesKaj> !thumbnails
[05:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thumbnails - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:40] <Kite_DH> hi everybody
[05:40] <xenol> BluesKaj: well audio preview and video thumbnails in konqueror i have both ticked in "view" option but i need some libs for it and dont know which ones
[05:41] <BluesKaj> !codecs
[05:41] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:42] <BluesKaj> xenol , firefox works better, the plugins are more up to date
[05:43] <xenol> BluesKaj: i mean konqueror and file manager not for web
[05:43] <BluesKaj> oh'
[05:43] <BluesKaj> I just use kaffeine
[05:45] <rylasasin_> sorry I changed desktops before I could get an answer to this, but is there a plugin for widescreen support?
[05:47] <BluesKaj> hmm, what's the command for placing an program in the kmenu  ?
[05:47] <BluesKaj> any program
[05:47] <hagabaka> why is it that the mimetype for .py in /etc/mime.types is text/x-python, while in KDE it's application/x-python ? as a result, KDE can't open such files automatically when served from a webserver running on the same computer
[05:48] <Krator> What is a good alternative for Konqueror as file management?
[05:48] <BluesKaj> hagabaka, perhaps that question is best asked in #python
[05:48] <hagabaka> BluesKaj: are you looking for the menu editor, or a command line for doing it?
[05:49] <hagabaka> BluesKaj: the same with ruby, perl, etc
[05:49] <moparisthebest> can I get a list of registered users from the command line?
[05:49] <hagabaka> it's not related to the programming languages, but the setup in Ubuntu and Ubuntu's KDE
[05:49] <mzanfardino> I've just installed Kubuntu 6.10 on a machine with a NVidia GFX 5600 vidio card.  I've set it up with two independant desktops, as opposed to a single twin-view desktop (to permit simultaneous execution of OpenGL applications).  How do I duplicate the settings form Desktop0 to Desktop1 so as to make both desktops appear identical (in terms of layout, applications, etc)?
[05:50] <Lynoure> moparisthebest: registered users as in freenode users or existing user accounts on your system?
[05:50] <Kite_DH> how can i open my "systems list"
[05:50] <Kite_DH> ?
[05:50] <moparisthebest> existing user accounts on my system Lynoure
[05:50] <BluesKaj> hagabaka,if cli works i can use that
[05:50] <snikker> it's a normal thing that kdesu set the home var to /root?
[05:51] <moparisthebest> yes snikker
[05:51] <BluesKaj> Kite_DH, sources list - repositories ?
[05:51] <moparisthebest> kdesu is just a graphical sudo
[05:51] <Kite_DH> yes blues
[05:51] <Kite_DH> that thing
[05:51] <xenol> which lib packages do i need in order to be able to use video thumbnails and sound preview in konqueror?
[05:51] <snikker> moparisthebest: but sudo don't do that...
[05:51] <moparisthebest> yes it does snikker
[05:51] <rylasasin_> is there a plugin for better usage of widescreen monitors?
[05:52] <moparisthebest> sudo -i does that
[05:52] <hagabaka> BluesKaj: the GUI is kmenuedit, or could be opened by right clicking on the KDE menu button, and Menu Editor
[05:52] <Lynoure> moparisthebest: you can see all user accounts by less /etc/passwd
[05:52] <Lynoure> moparisthebest: that includes both system and user accounts
[05:52] <moparisthebest> thanks Lynoure
[05:52] <hagabaka> i don't think there's a cui program for it. but it probably just involves creating .desktop files somewhere in ~/.kde
[05:53] <BluesKaj> hagabaka, I tried that already , it doesn't apply to what I'm rtying to do :(
[05:53] <hagabaka> what are you trying to do?
[05:53] <moparisthebest> Lynoure is there a way to delete/remove a user?
[05:53] <BluesKaj> Kite_DH, kdesu kate /etc/apt/filename
[05:53] <Kite_DH> hmm
[05:53] <BluesKaj> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:54] <Kite_DH> ok thanks
[05:54] <BluesKaj> in the terminal
[05:54] <Kite_DH> yup
[05:54] <Lynoure> moparisthebest: yes, userdel, see  man userdel
[05:54] <snikker> moparisthebest: when i run (with sudo) a program that print "printenv" it show home=my-home, but with kdesu it print home=/root and font on the gui program are incomprensible
[05:55] <[GuS] > hi guys!... i have a problem trying to build packages since feisty 4, using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc, with this error: "dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address"
[05:56] <[GuS] > what i should do? something change?
[05:56] <moparisthebest> I just remember running konqueror with sudo and with kdesu and when you click home directory it takes you to /root snikker
[05:56] <moparisthebest> but thats strange
[05:56] <cox377> i\m really confused about something, with kmplayer whenever i select a media file off a network share it just streams it like u would expect, however with mplayer it insists in downloading it first.. can anyone explain why?
[05:57] <roby> bibi
[05:57] <snikker> moparisthebest: my problem is that i'm unable to see label strings when i run it with kdesu
[05:58] <kunal_> i am running kubuntu feisty and i ran into upgrade problems today. the X (x11-common) packages seem to be the cause of the trouble
[05:58] <kunal_> anyone else facing similar problems?
[05:58] <Kite_DH> BluesKaj: can you help me getting this installed?? --> http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb
[05:59] <Lynoure> kunal_: feisty is not released yet, so it's support is at #ubuntu+1
[05:59] <BluesKaj> sorry Kite_DH , i don't use wine ...i just switch over to my windows partition if a ineed to do windows stuff
[05:59] <empiric> guys
[05:59] <empiric> any idea how i cure my konqueror in ubuntu
[05:59] <empiric> its crashing
[05:59] <empiric> oftenly
[06:00] <Kite_DH> BluesKaj: then cann you tell me how i can make this move--> "First, open a terminal window. Then add the repository's key to your system's list of trusted APT keys by copy and pasting the following:"
[06:00] <snikker> Kite_DH: open /etc/apt/sources.list with text editor and add repository
[06:01] <Kite_DH> where to add it? at the bottom?
[06:01] <BluesKaj> yes
[06:01] <Kite_DH> ok
[06:01] <BluesKaj> then save it
[06:01] <Kite_DH> what was the full cmd again for /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:02] <Kite_DH> aw kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:02] <BluesKaj> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list yes
[06:03] <Kite_DH> relogging
[06:03] <snikker> Kite_DH: then add this line: deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main
[06:04] <BluesKaj> too late
[06:04] <Kite_DH> back
[06:04] <thomas_> Fr
[06:05] <snikker> Kite_DH: then add this line: deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main
[06:05] <Kite_DH> ok
[06:05] <pointwood> is the feisty herd4 CD a liveCD?
[06:05] <BluesKaj> snikker, I wish the whole title was underlined and highlighted , some ppl don't copy and paste the whole 'deb.....edgy main''
[06:05] <thomas_> what is Kubuntu Fr ?
[06:05] <kitts> pointwood, yes
[06:05] <pointwood> thanks
[06:05] <BluesKaj> french
[06:05] <thomas_> yes
[06:05] <BluesKaj> !fr
[06:05] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:05] <pointwood> I'll test it on my thinkpad then :)
[06:06] <Kite_DH> QObject::disconnect: Unexpected null parameter
[06:06] <Kite_DH> thats what it says when i save it
[06:06] <Kite_DH> is that normal?
[06:07] <BluesKaj> you've copied something unecessary or missed something Kite_DH
[06:07] <snikker> BluesKaj: you are right...
[06:07] <neoncode> What program should I use in KDE to accsess USENET?
[06:07] <Kite_DH> BluesKaj: but it said to add "wget -q http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -" and then "deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main"
[06:08] <LjL> !knode | neoncode
[06:08] <ubotu> neoncode: knode: KDE news reader. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1195 kB, installed size 2948 kB
[06:08] <BluesKaj> Kite_DH, you have to copy the whole line svnikker gave ypi not just the highlighted part  starting with "deb.....edgy main"
[06:08] <LjL> neoncode: it's actually part of Kontact, once you install it
[06:08] <neoncode> LjL: Thanks very much.
[06:08] <Kite_DH> yes, i added this blue
[06:08] <Kite_DH> only that line or the other one too?
[06:08] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:09] <Kite_DH> hi
[06:09] <snikker> Kite_DH: you must paste also: deb edgy main
[06:09] <Kite_DH> snikker:  this? --> "deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main"
[06:09] <BluesKaj> Kite_DH, no i din't tell you copy that  winewget line  to sourceslist..that is a command used in the terminal
[06:09] <Kite_DH> oh
[06:10] <Kite_DH> ok
[06:10] <surgy> guten morgan
[06:10] <surgy> close?
[06:10] <snikker> Kite_DH: yes
[06:10] <BluesKaj> Kite_DH, do what snikker just suggested
[06:11] <parkerw207_> !ge
[06:11] <ubotu>       #ubuntu-ge - ~ For Georgian language support, please join #ubuntu-ge
[06:11] <snikker> Kite_DH: then run tis command:   wget -q http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[06:11] <parkerw207_> ooops
[06:11] <parkerw207_> !ger
[06:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ger - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:11] <LjL> !de
[06:11] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[06:11] <parkerw207_> thats it :)
[06:11] <parkerw207_> lol
[06:11] <snikker> BluesKaj: how can i highlight a whole line in konversastion?
[06:11] <parkerw207_> i forgot the abriviation :P
[06:12] <LjL> well !german works too
[06:12] <parkerw207_> it does ?
[06:12] <parkerw207_> ahh i didnt know
[06:12] <BluesKaj> snikker i dunno ...it's a big prob when trying to help ppl
[06:12] <parkerw207_> i dont know any of those little tricks rally :P
[06:13] <snikker> BluesKaj: yes, it's true...
[06:13] <BluesKaj> it would be better in a way if the deb wasn't highlighted
[06:14] <BluesKaj> it's confusing for newbs
[06:15] <Kite_DH> BluesKaj: it still doesnt work...:(
[06:15] <jhutchins> snikker: triple-click?
[06:16] <snikker> jhutchins: no, i want post an highlighted line in the channel
[06:16] <Kite_DH> it still says QObject::disconnect: Unexpected null parameter
[06:17] <jhutchins> snikker: You want the text you post to be highlighted?
[06:17] <snikker> Kite_DH: what to you run for get that message?
[06:17] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get update in the terminal Kite_DH
[06:17] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get update
[06:18] <Kite_DH> aw ok
[06:18] <snikker> jhutchins: at the moment none...
[06:19] <Kite_DH> and after that sudo apt-get update
[06:19] <BluesKaj> that's the command for updating changes in the repos list
[06:19] <BluesKaj> sources list
[06:19] <snikker> jhutchins: it's just for highlight a whole commmand...
[06:19] <Kite_DH> oh ok
[06:20] <Kite_DH> but its still version 0.9.22 ...
[06:20] <Kite_DH> hmm
[06:20] <Kite_DH> im doing something wrong
[06:20] <jhutchins> snikker: You can use ascii color encoding to highlight text, but most people don't appreacite it, and many channels ban it.
[06:21] <snikker> Kite_DH: you can run: "apt-get install wine"
[06:21] <Kite_DH> it says that i didnt sign a key
[06:21] <Kite_DH> when i make the systems.list update
[06:21] <snikker> jhutchins: oh, ok... where is the syntax for ascii color?
[06:21] <BluesKaj> friggin wine , what PITA
[06:22] <jhutchins> snikker: I don't know off hand, and as I said I don't think it's a good idea.
[06:22] <Kite_DH> :(
[06:22] <snikker> Kite_DH: do you have run "wget -q http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add - " as i sayd?
[06:22] <snikker> jhutchins: oh, ok :-)
[06:22] <Kite_DH> oh
[06:22] <Kite_DH> now
[06:23] <Kite_DH> now it says something that it cant get acces to /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[06:23] <Kite_DH> (13 Permission denied)
[06:24] <Kite_DH> do i need to relog?
[06:24] <BluesKaj> Kite_DH, type this into the terminal : sudo wget http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/sources.list.d/edgy.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/winehq.list
[06:24] <Kite_DH> ok, and then?
[06:24] <Kite_DH> its done
[06:24] <BluesKaj> the whole line , not just the highlighted part
[06:24] <Kite_DH> yes
[06:24] <Kite_DH> it dled something or so
[06:24] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get update
[06:24] <Kite_DH> then its over
[06:25] <Kite_DH> that doesnt work
[06:25] <BluesKaj> do it again
[06:25] <Kite_DH> it always says permission denied
[06:25] <BluesKaj> in the terminal ?
[06:25] <Kite_DH> yes
[06:26] <BluesKaj> are you using sudo?
[06:26] <snikker> Kite_DH: what do you have typed?
[06:26] <Kite_DH> whats that
[06:26] <Kite_DH> well, i opened this, systems.list
[06:26] <Kite_DH> i put the line in u said at the bottom
[06:26] <BluesKaj> no
[06:26] <Kite_DH> then i saved it
[06:26] <Kite_DH> ugh?
[06:27] <Kite_DH> ok,  removed that line
[06:27] <BluesKaj> then you type sudo apt-get update in the terminal
[06:27] <Kite_DH> oh
[06:27] <Kite_DH> now
[06:27] <Kite_DH> ok and then?
[06:27] <Kite_DH> now it says i didnt sign a key for beryl
[06:27] <Kite_DH> >_<
[06:28] <Kite_DH> ok and now that did  isudo apt-get update ran
[06:28] <Kite_DH> sudo*
[06:28] <Kite_DH>  sudo apt-get update ran
[06:28] <Kite_DH> argh
[06:28] <Kite_DH> yes,  you know what i mean
[06:31] <BluesKaj> what did you remove from the sources list?
[06:31] <Kite_DH> the line of wine
[06:31] <BluesKaj> the deb line ?
[06:31] <snikker> Kite_DH: first import gpg key with:  "wget -q http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add - "
[06:32] <BluesKaj> he did that
[06:32] <Kite_DH> ok snikker, it was successfull
[06:32] <Kite_DH> and next?
[06:32] <BluesKaj> now add the deb line to the sources list
[06:32] <Kite_DH> ok wait
[06:32] <snikker> Kite_DH: do as BluesKaj say
[06:32] <Kite_DH> deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main
[06:33] <Kite_DH> this right?
[06:33] <snikker> ok
[06:33] <BluesKaj> yes the whole line
[06:33] <BluesKaj> then save it
[06:33] <Kite_DH> ok saved it, and now the terminal says "QObject::disconnect: Unexpected null parameter"
[06:33] <snikker> Kite_DH: you must open tha file as root (with sudo)
[06:34] <BluesKaj> not in the terminal , in the sources list
[06:34] <Kite_DH> yes i did that
[06:34] <Kite_DH> and then when i saved the systems.list
[06:34] <Kite_DH> it says deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main
[06:34] <Kite_DH> it says QObject::disconnect: Unexpected null parameter
[06:34] <Kite_DH> in the terminal
[06:35] <snikker> Kite_DH: type: "sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[06:35] <Kite_DH> yes
[06:35] <snikker> Kite_DH: try with nano: "sudo nano  /etc/apt/sources.list"
[06:35] <Kite_DH> and then i made this "deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main" entry at the bottom
[06:36] <snikker> Kite_DH: yes the line is right but without ""
[06:36] <Kite_DH> i know
[06:36] <snikker> ok
[06:36] <Kite_DH> i made it without the "
[06:36] <snikker> Kite_DH: work with nano editor?
[06:36] <Kite_DH> this nano thing says "sudo nano  /etc/apt/sources.list"
[06:36] <Kite_DH> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[06:36] <Kite_DH> ## repository.
[06:37] <snikker> Kite_DH: go to bottom
[06:37] <Kite_DH> ok
[06:37] <Kite_DH> of terminal?
[06:37] <BluesKaj> yes take #s out
[06:37] <snikker> right click and past the line
[06:37] <underdog5004> surgy, it didn't work.
[06:37] <BluesKaj> too many cooks ... I'll leave it toi you . snikker
[06:38] <Kite_DH> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[06:38] <Kite_DH> ## repository.
[06:38] <Kite_DH>  Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[06:38] <Kite_DH>  repository.
[06:38] <surgy> underdog5004: elaborate?
[06:39] <snikker> Kite_DH: add the line at the bottom of file
[06:39] <Kite_DH> deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main ???
[06:39] <snikker> yes
[06:39] <Kite_DH> i did
[06:39] <snikker> save the file with CTRL+O
[06:40] <Kite_DH> ok
[06:40] <snikker> then exit CTR+X
[06:40] <Kite_DH> ok
[06:40] <snikker> then sudo apt-get update
[06:40] <nanda_> is there a kubuntu edgy package for amarok 1.4.5 yet?
[06:40] <Kite_DH> ok
[06:40] <snikker> then sudo apt-get install wine
[06:40] <underdog5004> surgy, ok. When I woke up this morning, I went to my computer and it was locked at 100% cpu, I couldn't move the mouse, and I had to restart...
[06:40] <Kite_DH> oh no
[06:40] <Kite_DH> now*
[06:40] <Kite_DH> thank you!!!
[06:41] <Kite_DH> now it works
[06:41] <snikker> ok
[06:41] <surgy> underdog5004: check your pm
[06:41] <snikker> enjoy it!
[06:41] <Kite_DH> yes hehe
[06:41] <Kite_DH> i need it for PS 7.0 you see
[06:42] <Kite_DH> finally
[06:42] <Kite_DH> hehe
[06:42] <snikker> Kite_DH: i understand... but i prefer gimp ;-)
[06:42] <Kite_DH> yes, but i only learned PS :(
[06:42] <Kite_DH> i had windows XP 3 days ago
[06:42] <Kite_DH> im still linux newb
[06:43] <snikker> Kite_DH: i understand... welcome to the linux users :-)
[06:43] <Kite_DH> hehe, thx
[06:43] <Kite_DH> im proud of being a linux user
[06:43] <Kite_DH> :)
[06:43] <snikker> :)
[06:44] <Kite_DH> yesh! photoshop works yehaaa
[06:44] <BluesKaj> i've had kubuntu since june , but I'm still a neb in many ways
[06:44] <KanRiNiN> Hi.  Whenever I try to open any jpg with gwenview it doesn't show up
[06:44] <BluesKaj> strange , wine has never worked right on this pc
[06:44] <Kite_DH> this guy in wine was so unkind
[06:45] <Kite_DH> he used caps on me lol
[06:45] <Kite_DH> :(
[06:45] <Kite_DH> he said i should ask the guys of my distro
[06:45] <KanRiNiN> also, whenever I enable compositing kdm won't start, yet w/o compositing my driver settings are fine
[06:45] <BluesKaj> well , he's right in a way
[06:46] <Kite_DH> ^^maybe
[06:47] <Kite_DH> can you please help me installing my webcam?
[06:47] <Kite_DH> no idea how that works
[06:48] <Kite_DH> is it possible to install drivers with WINE?
[06:48] <snikker> who want try to compile and test a simple program? it's only to see if the problem is on my machine is not...
[06:48] <MementoMori> hi all
[06:48] <snikker> Kite_DH: sorrry, but i can't halp with webcam, i don' have it...
[06:49] <Kite_DH> hmm ok
[06:50] <Kite_DH> oh yes, snikker, maybe you can help me here
[06:50] <Kite_DH> the problem is
[06:51] <Arkezis> bonsoir !
[06:51] <Arkezis> bonsoir bonsoir
[06:51] <snikker> Kite_DH: yes...
[06:51] <MuJ> bonsoir? O_o
[06:51] <Kite_DH> when i want to copy the files from a DVD/CD to my HD, it stops about 80% and breaks up
[06:51] <Arkezis> MuJ il est 18h50 ^^
[06:52] <snikker> Kite_DH: it's a movie?
[06:52] <Arkezis> This chan is English ?
[06:52] <MuJ> yes
[06:52] <Kite_DH> yes, .avi file 600mb
[06:52] <snikker> Arkezis: yes
[06:52] <Arkezis> omg ! I have a problem but I speak little English :s
[06:52] <MementoMori> well, I registered myself to launchpad and have subscribed the code of conduct, but now... what I can do? how can I give/request support or starting translating app/docs?
[06:52] <Arkezis> I trying to explai my problem !
[06:52] <MuJ> Arkezis: how about #kubuntu-fr ?
[06:53] <Kite_DH> hehe, is there a german channel too?
[06:53] <Arkezis> MuJ ! good idea, this chan is unknow for me :)
[06:53] <snikker> Kite_DH: so it's a simple movie, not a dvd movie right?
[06:53] <Kite_DH> snikker: its a simple .avi file, yes
[06:53] <MuJ> Kite_DH: most likely
[06:53] <Arkezis> thxs and bye all
[06:53] <snikker> Kite_DH: maybe the cd is dirty?
[06:54] <Kite_DH> naw, i'll stay with you guys
[06:54] <Kite_DH> you helped me out nice all the time
[06:54] <Kite_DH> lol
[06:54] <MuJ> :)
[06:54] <ollie> heloo
[06:54] <Kite_DH> hi
[06:54] <ollie> looking for some support here,
[06:54] <ollie> cant find much on it
[06:54] <ollie> got 2 soundcards in my system
[06:54] <ollie> onboard intel
[06:54] <Kite_DH> snikker: 535,6 MB .avi filetype
[06:55] <ollie> and an m-audio delta 66 pci card
[06:55] <jhutchins> !de > Kite_DH
[06:55] <MementoMori> !launchpad
[06:55] <ubotu> launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[06:55] <johny_> join #ubuntu-pl
[06:56] <snikker> Kite_DH: the cause could be a dirty cd/dvd... or demaged cd/dvd
[06:56] <mefisto__> ollie, do you get sound routed to the wrong card? that is, the onboard one?
[06:56] <ollie> on boot, kubuntu switches the 2 soundcards around, i want the oboard sound to be card0 and the m-audio pci card to be card1 all the time but it keeps switching them
[06:56] <Kite_DH> they said it yesterday too
[06:56] <Kite_DH> but i just burned it :(
[06:56] <Kite_DH> oh wow, now that i allowed stuff to users it work
[06:57] <Kite_DH> works*
[06:57] <MementoMori> !hal
[06:57] <ubotu> hal: Hardware Abstraction Layer. In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.7.1-0ubuntu17 (edgy), package size 347 kB, installed size 1112 kB
[06:57] <mefisto__> ollie: if you only want to use the m-audio card, you could blacklist the onboard one
[06:57] <Kite_DH> wow, thats nice
[06:57] <Kite_DH> i can finally get my stuff down
[06:57] <Kite_DH> hahaha
[06:57] <Kite_DH> woow amazing, thank you
[06:57] <MementoMori> ollie: maybe you can set your cards configuring hal
[06:58] <ollie> hal?
[06:58] <ollie> never heard of it,
[06:58] <MementoMori> but consider this only an idea to be verified
[06:58] <MementoMori> !hal > ollie
[06:58] <ollie> i thought this was something to do with the way the kernel is probing for devices
[06:58] <Vincent_k> hal: Hardware Abstraction Layer
[06:59] <ollie> il look into it
[06:59] <MementoMori> ollie: but between kernel and apps lives hal
[06:59] <ollie> where do you configure it?
[06:59] <ollie> i havent a clue
[06:59] <MarcoPau> how do I extract a "multiple" rar archive? (rar.001, rar.002...)
[07:00] <MarcoPau> I got ark
[07:00] <MementoMori> ollie: I really dont know but am serching for doc now.... stay online
[07:00] <ollie> cheers pal
[07:00] <mefisto__> MarcoPau: do you have unrar installed?
[07:00] <alfatau> hello, i want to reinstall windows on my pc, but i have kubuntu installed too in another partition. I know after win installation grub boot sector will be replaced and i will no longer be able to boot kubuntu, so what can i do to restore grub after win installation?
[07:00] <snikker> MarcoPau: you must install "unrar"
[07:00] <MementoMori> MarcoPau: extract the first one.... the others will follow
[07:00] <MarcoPau> it can't be done with ark?
[07:01] <snikker> MarcoPau: yes but you need the unrar command
[07:01] <joachim^^> Hi, it says on the Kubuntu help guide that i should install 'libxine-extracodecs', but i can't find it in any repository. I've enabled all repositories that were in Adept
[07:01] <mefisto__> MarcoPau: ark needs unrar to do it
[07:01] <MementoMori> MarcoPau: I did it using unrar in a konsole session
[07:02] <MarcoPau> I have unrar, of course, I just wasn't sure on how to unpack a multiple archive, cause ark doesn't seem to recognize it, at least when opening... let me try
[07:02] <snikker> MarcoPau: just extract the first one
[07:02] <MarcoPau> nope, won't work if I unpack the first one
[07:03] <MarcoPau> let me try from shell
[07:03] <snikker> MarcoPau: strange... what version of unurar do you have?
[07:04] <mefisto__> there is a free and non-free unrar, correct?
[07:04] <snikker> mefisto__: yes, it's true...
[07:05] <MarcoPau> snikker: 3.7.3
[07:05] <MarcoPau> if I unrar e archive.rar.001 it won't do the following ones as well
[07:05] <snikker> MarcoPau: so do you have a free verion right?
[07:06] <MarcoPau> snikker: no, this is non-free
[07:06] <viktor> Hi, i am from slovakia :D you know where is slovakia?
[07:06] <viktor> sorry my english is bad :)
[07:06] <MarcoPau> viktor: sure
[07:06] <mefisto__> MarcoPau: the first one should have just .rar without a number
[07:06] <snikker> MarcoPau: do you get it here: http://www.rarlab.com/rar_add.htm  ?
[07:08] <alfatau> hello, i want to reinstall windows on my pc, but i have kubuntu installed too in another partition. I know after win installation grub boot sector will be replaced and i will no longer be able to boot kubuntu, so what can i do to restore grub after win installation?
[07:08] <MarcoPau> snikker: get what?
[07:09] <mefisto__> alfatau: there's a guide somewhere explaining the process. try google?
[07:09] <MarcoPau> mefisto__: tried renaming, still not connecting the two parts
[07:09] <Skuller> hey guys...can anyone help me to shut off my internet connection within kubuntu?
[07:09] <snikker> MarcoPau: do you have linux 32-bit or 64-bit?
[07:09] <MarcoPau> snikker: 32
[07:10] <mefisto__> MarcoPau: no, you can't do that! the first is archive.rar, and it contains info about all the other archive.rar.00, archive.rar.01, etc
[07:11] <snikker> MarcoPau: mmm... if you want recompile it from source http://www.rarlab.com/rar/unrarsrc-3.7.3.tar.gz else http://www.rarlab.com/rar/unrar-3.5.3-i486-1.tgz
[07:11] <MarcoPau> mefisto__: right, but I only had rar.001 and rar.002, no just .ara
[07:11] <MarcoPau> rar*
[07:11] <mehdi_> hi every one
[07:11] <Skuller> hey guys...can anyone help me to shut off my internet connection within kubuntu?
[07:12] <Skuller> i tried poff dsl-provider already but it says kill failed
[07:12] <mefisto__> MarcoPau: maybe you have the first (and most important) one missing? I could be wrong, but I think normally the first one has no number
[07:13] <snikker> MarcoPau: yes the first one should be *.rar and nor *.rar.001
[07:13] <MarcoPau> well this is how I got them. I tried renaming the first as .rar, but no result
[07:14] <mefisto__> MarcoPau: renaming won't work at all. You have to keep the original filenames to unpack them
[07:14] <MarcoPau> well that's not working also :)
[07:15] <mefisto__> MarcoPau: seems you have an incomplete set
[07:15] <snikker> MarcoPau: it seem that you need the *.rar file
[07:15] <mehdi_> i would like to make questions about java ???
[07:15] <MarcoPau> mm, can't be, the archive is complete
[07:15] <MementoMori> ollie: are you still online?
[07:15] <Skuller> hey guys...can anyone help me to shut off my internet connection within kubuntu?...the 'poff ds;-provider' command doesn work...says process kill failed
[07:16] <snikker> MarcoPau: you made the split-stream archive?
[07:16] <kunal> try 'sudo poff -a'
[07:16] <mefisto__> MarcoPau: try making a multipart rar yourself, then unpack it, to see if it works
[07:16] <ollie> MementoMori I may have fixed this soundcard issue. Need to reboot to test.
[07:16] <kunal> mehdi_: are the questions related to kubuntu?
[07:17] <mefisto__> ollie: what did you do?
[07:17] <MementoMori> ollie: am waitin your reboot
[07:17] <MarcoPau> snikker: don't even know what that is
[07:18] <mehdi_> kunal my question is how to do to obtain information like memory size with java code
[07:18] <Skuller> i get this everytime i try to disconnect my internet in kubuntu using 'poff dsl-provider'..../usr/bin/poff: /bin/kill failed.  None stopped......please help me out
[07:19] <Skuller> kunal: hey it worked...thnx heaps man
[07:19] <Skuller> was missin out on da sudo part
[07:19] <snikker> MarcoPau: try to do as mefisto__ say...
[07:19] <wilman> my quickcam is'snt working
[07:20] <MarcoPau> I'm also trying on windoze with vmware, it's not recognizing the archive... damn
[07:20] <kunal> np
[07:20] <mehdi_> kunal do u have an idea ??
[07:20] <snikker> MarcoPau: as supposed a .rar part is missing...
[07:21] <backtick> Hi all.. I just installed noatun and I get this error when I try to run it: noatun: WARNING: Couldn't instanciate artsobject Noatun::Session. (This is normally caused by a broken package or compiling kdemultimedia in a --prefix different from arts.  It may also be from two conflicting packages, so uninstall every arts/artsd package you have installed and try again.
[07:21] <backtick> arts is installed and running
[07:21] <MarcoPau> snikker: that's almost impossible, cause the size amount actually matches with the content, and this has been downloaded by many people, so they would complain if there was actually a problem...
[07:22] <MarcoPau> let me better search anyway
[07:22] <mefisto__> backtick: try restarting artsd
[07:22] <kunal> mehdi_: wrong place boss... try #java or something
[07:23] <mehdi_> ok thanx
[07:23] <mehdi_> join/ #java
[07:23] <mehdi_> oups
[07:26] <backtick> mefisto__: thanks it worked
[07:26] <mefisto__> backtick: I installed it yesterday :P
[07:26] <MementoMori> mefisto__: hope ollie solved his problem.... now I have to go... If you are still insterested in his problem look for hal-device-manager. here you can see and set hw properties
[07:26] <mefisto__> thanks MementoMori
[07:27] <ostlund> how do i disable the shared imap-folders in kmail? they dont show up in thunderbird and i dont want to show them
[07:27] <MementoMori> urw
[07:27] <MementoMori> bye
[07:27] <snikker> can anyone compile and test a dummy program? it's only to see if the problem is on my machine or not...
[07:28] <fdoving> snikker: sure, where can i find it?
[07:29] <snikker> fdoving: i paste it, just a moment...
[07:29] <fdoving> !paste | snikker
[07:29] <ubotu> snikker: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:30] <snikker> fdoving: i've do it look here: http://pastebin.com/883782
[07:31] <xenol> plz
[07:32] <xenol> can i erase content of /tmp while i am su?
[07:32] <snikker> xenol: yes
[07:34] <fdoving> snikker: i have to install fltk, hang on.
[07:34] <snikker> fdoving: ok, thanks
[07:34] <ksnipa> I'm trying to compile superkarmba (synpatic version wouldn't work) anyways I'm getting an error when I run configure saying I'm missing Python header and libraries, I used to synpatic and installed python but it still doesn't seem to be working, anyone know what packages I need to install exactly to get it working?
[07:35] <ksnipa> I've tried sudo apt-get install python2.4 but get that it is already installed
[07:38] <fdoving> snikker: works.
[07:38] <snikker> fdoving: ok, thanks... now try to run it with kdesu...
[07:38] <fdoving> snikker: why?
[07:39] <snikker> fdoving: because with kdesu don't show labels...
[07:39] <intelikey> true ;echo $? ;false ;echo $? ;echo ;echo $?
[07:39] <fdoving> snikker: it does here.
[07:40] <snikker> fdoving: you can see the text on button also if you run with kdesu?
[07:40] <intelikey> i'm a little concerned with the way that apt seems to do business with the file system.
[07:40] <fdoving> snikker: yes.
[07:41] <snikker> fdoving: damn... in my machine i don't see the text with kdesu... :(
[07:41] <snikker> fdoving: and i don't understand why...
[07:41] <backtick> mefisto__: it always throws couldn't load file.. is there any way to get it to use xine as a backend?
[07:42] <beg1689> is there a firewall set up by default?
[07:42] <fdoving> beg1689: no.
[07:42] <beg1689> having trouble with some LAN prorgams
[07:42] <snikker> fdoving: thanks for testing...
[07:42] <beg1689> how can i check'\
[07:42] <intelikey> apt seems to download to /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/  then use ln to make hard links in /var/cache/apt/archives/  and rm's the origenal.    this is totally unacceptable of course if the two dirs are on seperate fs's
[07:44] <fdoving> intelikey: they should not be.
[07:44] <intelikey> fdoving ?
[07:44] <fdoving> that's kinda the point.
[07:44] <intelikey> explain ?
[07:45] <fdoving> why would you ever download something to a separate fs, just to copy it over to another when it finishes?
[07:45] <fdoving> that doesn't make sense.
[07:45] <fdoving> in any situations i can think of.
[07:46] <intelikey> fdoving what about making the "partial" dir a symlink to a ram disk so that anything in there is only in ram?
[07:47] <intelikey> saves on disk activity makes things flow more quickly/quietly
[07:47] <fdoving> intelikey: sure, if you have enought ram that would be a good solution. but that would limit your to a size.
[07:47] <intelikey> fdoving you are always limited on size.   whether the limit is low or high.
[07:48] <fdoving> so if your machine looses power at 99% download you're willing to loose everything you've downloaded so far?
[07:48] <intelikey> at the exponential rate of disk size/usage 1,000,000 tara bytes will soon be too small
[07:49] <fdoving> you're always free to make improvements, the defauls are there to be sensible for most configurations.
[07:51] <intelikey> fdoving i only gave one logical example.   the actual case where i noticed that problem is, when i was adding another disk mounted on */partial to allow the download that otherwise was too big to fit the crowded space i had.  then i discovered that i had to manually copy the files after dl so that apt could call dpkg to install them.
[07:52] <intelikey> apt doesn't copy from partial  it hardlinks   you can't hard link accross fs's
[07:52] <intelikey> thus a built-in weekness that doesn't need to be there.
[07:52] <fdoving> why don't you just include archive/ ?
[07:53] <fdoving> if your FS is full it doesn't make sense to just mount /partial to something else.
[07:53] <intelikey> fdoving i did.   but that's not always the most affective answer either.   why doesn't apt just cp rather than ln   that's the better solution.
[07:53] <fdoving> it has to go to partial/.. when it's finished anyway.
[07:54] <Heavenquake> hmm.. software for recording the desktop? I want to record a couple of minute of myself using my computer, and send it to a friend to demonstrate Linux
[07:54] <inam> hi everyone. i have just compiled GRUB 0.97... and im going to replace it with the grub that was installed along with kubuntu dapper... any words of advice?!
[07:55] <hatta> has anyone in here used klibido?
[07:55] <pmjdebruijn> hi
[07:55] <inam> let me correct myself... im going to replace the grub that was installed by kubutu CD with the one that i have just compiled :-) is this suicidal ?
[07:55] <pmjdebruijn> why does amaroK depend on libgtk2.0-0?
[07:55] <hatta> the linux binaries downloader?
[07:56] <fdoving> Heavenquake: try istanbul
[07:56] <intelikey> fdoving yes but you have to have space for two copies if it cp's from partial to ..    but only space for one if it links there.    i think that was the origenal intent.   so i stumbled into what the writer had already planed on.  except i disagree with the writers decission.   i would have used cp not ln
[07:57] <dettoaltrimenti_> can someone help me? I have a dv6000 hp pavilion laptop and I was trying to install the nvidia drivers using these instructions: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Graphics_Driver_.28NVIDIA.29 and now X windows won't load, and I only have the terminal
[07:58] <fdoving> intelikey: i think ln is nicer to the fs. ln just adds a name to the inode. copy copies.
[07:58] <BluesKaj> !X
[07:58] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:58] <intelikey> fdoving yes i understand how they both work and why you can not link accross fs's
[07:59] <inam> ok, let me rephrase my question yet again, if i screw up my grub, how will get my computer to boot kubutu again?
[08:00] <BluesKaj> or dettoaltrimenti_ , 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[08:00] <intelikey> fdoving but ln is intended more for cases where you have several names or locations of one inode   not really intended for moving inodes to another location   that's what mv is for
[08:00] <giovanni_> ciao
[08:01] <giovanni_> ciao
[08:01] <BluesKaj> !it > giovanni_
[08:01] <giovanni_> ho istallato da poco kubuntu
[08:01] <BluesKaj> !it
[08:01] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[08:01] <fdoving> intelikey: the point is you don't want to move the inode, the less disc activity, the better.
[08:02] <giovanni_> ciao
[08:02] <BluesKaj> ciao giovanni_
[08:02] <intelikey> fdoving it's kinda like my use of echo to edit file...  not the best tool for the job.    while it works most of the time... not always.
[08:02] <dettoaltrimenti_> blueskaj- how much memory should I use for the video card?
[08:03] <giovanni_> un saluto a tutti
[08:03] <giovanni_> sono un novizio di linux
[08:03] <giovanni_> e volevo avere qualche aiuto
[08:03] <fdoving> !it | giovanni_
[08:03] <ubotu> giovanni_: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
 blueskaj- how much memory should I use for the video card? <<<< how much does the card have ?
[08:03] <dettoaltrimenti_> oh nevermind
[08:04] <giovanni_> mi sai indicare dove posso chiedere alcune info?
[08:05] <giovanni_> ciao
[08:05] <Madeye> Hey, guys, I'm into web apps but I want to digg more into desktop apps and I'm thinking of QT
[08:06] <Madeye> any idea where to start?
[08:06] <Madeye> any official guide/book for QT and KDE?
[08:06] <guiguizero> hi all
[08:07] <fdoving> Madeye: http://developer.kde.org/ have some nice info. so does http://doc.trolltech.com
[08:07] <intelikey> fdoving my final thought on the matter is this, apt should have barrowed some code from 'mc' on that point.   mc seems to use hardlinks when possable and copys when a hardlink fails.
[08:07] <fdoving> intelikey: that would be optimal, submit a patch :)
[08:07] <inam> giovanni_, scriva /join # kubuntu-it
[08:07] <Madeye> fdoving, thank you, one more question, is QT a KDE thingy ? or a stand alone programming language and KDE adapting it ?
[08:08] <snikker> giovanni_: per le info devi andare nel canale italiano di kubuntu o ubuntu, qui i lsupporto  solo in inglese
[08:08] <fdoving> Madeye: QT is a standalone API (not a language), KDE uses it.
[08:08] <intelikey> fdoving i wouldn't know where to start.   i dont "C"   :)
[08:08] <piro> is it me or does ext3 take up more space in ntfs after formatting? i imagine so for journaling.
[08:08] <Madeye> API not a language
[08:08] <Madeye> hmm interesting
[08:08] <MotorCityMadMan> The following packages have been kept back:kontact ksysguard ksysguardd Reason is ?
[08:08] <thomas__> Serveur FR ????????
[08:09] <guiguizero> vive la france lol
[08:09] <fdoving> !fr | thomas__
[08:09] <ubotu> thomas__: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[08:09] <fdoving> piro: often 5% is reserved to the super user. that way regular users can't fill the disk 100% and make the system die.
[08:10] <MotorCityMadMan> packages have been kept back:kontact ksysguard ksysguardd    Reason is ?
[08:11] <fdoving> piro: you can tune that to something more sensible. 'sudo tune2fs -m1 /dev/device' where -m1 is 1 percent. -m2 for 2.. and so on. /dev/device must be replaced with your ext3 device.
[08:11] <intelikey> piro which is totally ignored when installing things, because you are always root when installing so the extra 5% is writen anyway.
[08:11] <MotorCityMadMan> bug's ? lady bug's ? lighting bug's ?
[08:12] <intelikey> T U M B L E  bugs   :)
[08:12] <MotorCityMadMan> tumble weeds ?
[08:12] <singinmatt13> ok...so i can't login to my desktop anymore.  i'm running edgy.  this morning changed the file permissions on an unused file so that i could delete it.  It was a simple install file i'd never used.  well...my trash bin freaked out, and after i rebooted, it wouldn't log in inside kdm anymore.  It goes blank and then goes straight back to kdm
[08:13] <intelikey> tumble bug,  more propperly known as the 'dung beetle'
[08:13] <MotorCityMadMan> why packages held back ?
[08:13] <Dr_willis> try logging into the Console yet?
[08:13] <singinmatt13> works
[08:13] <MotorCityMadMan> not pretty yet ?
[08:13] <singinmatt13> i can login on the console all i want
[08:14] <singinmatt13> just not inside kdm
[08:14] <MotorCityMadMan> <-brain is on fire over held back packages
[08:14] <hector> hi, i'm new here
[08:14] <hector> what is this??
[08:15] <samiam010203> its kubuntu baby!
[08:15] <hector> it's a chat, isn't it??
[08:15] <samiam010203> yes
[08:15] <samiam010203> about kubuntu linux
[08:15] <samiam010203> u use it
[08:15] <hector> yeah
[08:15] <samiam010203> cool
[08:15] <hector> and where you from people??
[08:15] <hector> i'm from mexico
[08:16] <samiam010203> nyc
[08:16] <hector> great
[08:16] <inam> bangalore, india
[08:16] <dettoaltrimenti_> moscow, russia
[08:16] <hector> woooooos, that's great
[08:16] <andreasw> !de
[08:16] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[08:16] <hector> :|
[08:16] <MotorCityMadMan> i am from it's a mad mad world
[08:16] <hector> i'll go to russia in summer
[08:16] <BluesKaj> Ontario Canada
[08:17] <dettoaltrimenti_> cool- summer is a good time to come
[08:17] <blacksabbath_> hi
[08:17] <aztun_> hi
[08:17] <hector> really??? it is to cold???
[08:17] <hector> :s
[08:17] <italbir> hi
[08:17] <samiam010203> hello
[08:17] <MarcoPau> snikker and mefisto__:  the two parts are supposed to be joined with hjsplit or simlar, that's why! -_-
[08:17] <blacksabbath_> finaly i ave put net in my kubuntu!!!!
[08:18] <dettoaltrimenti_> do you use celcius or fahrenheit in meico
[08:18] <hector> farenheit
[08:18] <_6StringKng_> anyone recommend some cool games for kubuntu?
[08:18] <aztun_> anyone installed beryl with intel and kubuntu?
[08:18] <samiam010203> yes
[08:18] <intelikey> MotorCityMadMan there are several reasons that packages will be held back    1. part of the base system when updates are avalable only get updated with a "dist-upgrade"   2. packages installed from non-ubuntu repositories can cause packages they depend on to be held back   3. apt or dpkg can mark some packages as 'held' if asked to by any command/script (such as the install script of another package)
[08:18] <samiam010203> i have beryl with nvida
[08:18] <aztun_> it works great for me but video doesnt works ok
[08:18] <blacksabbath_> how i intall games in kubunto????
[08:18] <dettoaltrimenti_> it's 18 degrees right now- this time last year it was -40, so it depends
[08:18] <samiam010203> interinstructions can be had on the beryl wiki
[08:18] <MuJ> blacksabbath_: same way as anything else
[08:19] <blacksabbath_> i m a newbby
[08:19] <MotorCityMadMan> intelikey| ty for your respond's
[08:19] <inam> detto, global warming, eh?
[08:19] <moparisthebest> you know how bash saves the last commands you performed and you can get to them by pressing up in the terminal?
[08:19] <dettoaltrimenti_> blacksabbath_ open adept manager and search for tremulous, and download that
[08:19] <blacksabbath_> is era any one portuguese/brazilian???
[08:19] <moparisthebest> is there a place it saves those to so I can read them?
[08:19] <snikker> MarcoPau: oh, i understand... but it's strange mode to split a rar file :-) thanks for said it
[08:20] <samiam010203> http://easylinux.info/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Beryl.2FAIGLX_.28Intel_i915.29
[08:20] <MarcoPau> snikker: veramente, che boiata
[08:20] <MuJ> moparisthebest: ~/.bash_history
[08:20] <dettoaltrimenti_> inam- who knows, last year was abnormally cold and this year is a little warmer than is usual
[08:20] <BluesKaj> dunno, global warming kinda disappeared here on jan 15
[08:20] <blacksabbath_> ta ka algum portugues/brazileiro????
[08:20] <moparisthebest> thanks MuJ
[08:20] <eric__> hey all
[08:20] <mehdi_> i want to know if that's possible to upgrade my kubuntu version to kubuntu 6.x with apt ????
[08:20] <BluesKaj> !pt
[08:20] <ubotu> pt is Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[08:20] <snikker> MarcoPau: sei italiano?
[08:20] <hector> well it sounds good
[08:21] <MarcoPau> snikker: eh s
[08:21] <BluesKaj> !br
[08:21] <dettoaltrimenti_> blueskaj- I got x windows up and running again, but the graphics are acting very poorly and I think I need that nvidia driver- did you look at those directions I sent a link to?
[08:21] <MarcoPau> snikker: non so quanto marco sia usato all'estero... olanda, poi boh
[08:21] <MarcoPau> :)
[08:21] <intelikey> MotorCityMadMan yes.   but i'm not sure where  ....    man dpkg     search hold
[08:21] <snikker> MarcoPau: bhe anche in germania e austria ci sono un bel po' di marco...
[08:22] <LambSlayer> join #ubuntu-effects
[08:22] <LambSlayer> toops
[08:22] <eric__> can anyone here help with compression on kde?
[08:22] <MarcoPau> snikker: non usano solo markus?
[08:22] <intelikey> MotorCityMadMan if you are not familear with searching in less (the pager that the man command uses)   it's    /   or   ?   to search forward or backward respectively
[08:22] <hector> well guys, nice to meet you, it was fun, but i must go on on my way:p
[08:22] <hector> ciaooo
[08:22] <dettoaltrimenti_> bye hector
[08:22] <snikker> MarcoPau: usano anche marco...
[08:22] <hector> bye dettoaltrimenti
[08:22] <inam> adios amigo
[08:22] <piro> fdoving: intelikey: thanks for the info
[08:23] <hector> Nos vemos inam;)
[08:23] <MarcoPau> snikker: ah ecco, come i fiamminghi
[08:23] <eric__> anyone...?
[08:24] <intelikey> piro np.    all my life, people been telling me "you're full of IT"  so i figured i should share it if i was really that full of "IT"   :)
[08:24] <inam> ok people, i've decided to play with fire (grub, actually)... if all goes well, i will log back to this channel in 10 mins... otherwise, see you all in another life :)
[08:25] <defiant> Can someone please help me install flash in Firefox for a 64bit system
[08:25] <MotorCityMadMan> intelikey|over me as of this date/next path will be reading and ty for your time and kindness
[08:26] <dettoaltrimenti_> !nvidia
[08:26] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:27] <BluesKaj> dettoaltrimenti_, sorry i was away from the KB for a few mins
[08:28] <slow-motion> how can i see whats the name of my video card is?
[08:28] <[StingRay] > Hi, stdin :). How are you?
[08:29] <dettoaltrimenti_> blueskaj it's ok- I've been reading about it- is it true that no one will help me install nvidia drivers?
[08:29] <jhutchins> !mp3 | defiant
[08:29] <ubotu> defiant: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:29] <maersk> cant use adept manager anymore ,because says it used by another program
[08:29] <intelikey> i'll be dl'ing 32m of updates now   (over 56k dialup that leaves no room for chat)  so i'll be back in a few hours maybe.
[08:29] <maersk> i tryed with the command kill but it wont work
[08:29] <maersk> can somebody help me ?
[08:29] <weed> yeah
[08:29] <fdoving> !adept crash fix | maersk
[08:29] <ubotu> maersk: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[08:29] <BluesKaj> well dettoaltrimenti_, the site is there for you to follow instructions , prolly better than we can give you
[08:30] <maersk> thx , i try
[08:30] <jhutchins> eric__: What do you want to know about compression?
[08:30] <dade__> lol my first irc
[08:30] <froud> hi, I am looking fo rlibpst from edgy universe by cant see it in the repos. Anyone know where I can get it?
[08:31] <froud> s/rlibpst/libpst
[08:31] <dade__> s/rlibpst/libpst
[08:31] <jhutchins> !find libpst
[08:31] <ubotu> Found: libpstoedit-dev, libpstoedit0c2a, libpstreams-dev
[08:33] <froud> jhutchins: I find http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libpst&searchon=names&subword=1&version=edgy&release=all
[08:33] <froud> jhutchins: but none of those are libpst
[08:34] <froud> jhutchins: yet I did find it in warty
[08:34] <froud> http://packages.ubuntu.com/warty/source/libpst
[08:34] <froud> and http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/source/libpst
[08:34] <froud> at above URLs
[08:34] <maersk> thx, for all ,it worked !!
[08:35] <weed> I luv teh windowz
[08:37] <esaym> anyone here got conky running right on kde?
[08:39] <jhutchins> froud: It's most likely been replaced or incorporated in something else.
[08:39] <Gast573> hi
[08:40] <Gast573> gibt es hier wen der vielleicht etwas weniger arrogant ist und mir dau vielleicht helfen kann?!
[08:40] <voicu> any ideas on scripting kopete? python, ruby, what do you suggest?
[08:40] <Gast573> na dann halt nich
[08:41] <jhutchins> froud: try pt-file search libpst
[08:41] <jhutchins> froud: try apt-file search libpst
[08:41] <jhutchins> de! | Gast573
[08:41] <eric__> hallo Gast573
[08:41] <jhutchins> !de | Gast573
[08:41] <ubotu> Gast573: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[08:42] <jhutchins> Gast573: Wer sprechen nur ein bischen deutsch hier.
[08:42] <eric__> Ich
[08:42] <jhutchins> eric__: Did you have a question?
[08:43] <MisterQ> hello, I'm new to linux
[08:43] <eric__> ja, I did
[08:43] <eric__> trying to compress a folder in kde
[08:43] <voicu> MisterQ: that's nice, problems or something?
[08:44] <MisterQ> yeah...just install ubuntu on my ps3
[08:44] <jhutchins> eric__: I allways do that stuff from the command line, but it looks pretty easy, right click, choose your poison.
[08:44] <MisterQ> can't open the install/unistall programs (adept?) to install programs
[08:44] <jhutchins> MisterQ: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[08:44] <MisterQ> kubuntu
[08:44] <eric__> yes, I did.. altho the file is no smaller than when it was uncompressed
[08:45] <eric__> noo ? i know..
[08:45] <eric__> *noob
[08:45] <froud> jhutchins: found it, it's now called readpst
[08:45] <MisterQ> i was messing with source.list to get backport
[08:45] <jhutchins> froud: Excellent!  How did you find it?
[08:45] <jrattner> Question: How can I add animation  and "eye-candy" to my Kubuntu setup?
[08:45] <jhutchins> !easysource | MisterQ
[08:45] <defiant> ok well since I can't get flash for ff to work on a 64bit system, can someone assist me in installing wine so I can use Internet Explorer please
[08:45] <ubotu> MisterQ: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:45] <MisterQ> thanks
[08:45] <jhutchins> MisterQ: That page will generate a new source list for you.
[08:46] <jhutchins> !wine | defiant
[08:46] <ubotu> defiant: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[08:46] <defiant> I know that but I cannot get it installed
[08:46] <jhutchins> defiant: There are a lot of ways to cope with the fact that the 64bit windows stuff isn't ported yet, most people just run in 32 bit unless they REALLY REALLY need the 64, then they dual boot.
[08:47] <jhutchins> defiant: What's wrong with apt-get install wine?
[08:47] <defiant> I cannot install 32bit Kubuntu for somereason it will not let me
[08:48] <froud> jhutchins: I just searched for outlook
[08:48] <johny_> |movix
[08:48] <johny_> !movix
[08:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about movix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:48] <froud> jhutchins: I am converting an outlook pst to kmail
[08:48] <johny_> !emovix
[08:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about emovix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:49] <jhutchins> !find emovix
[08:49] <ubotu> Package/file emovix does not exist in edgy
[08:49] <jhutchins> johny_: Looks like you're gonna have to resort to google.
[08:50] <jrattner> Question: How can I add animation  and "eye-candy" to my Kubuntu setup?
[08:51] <johny_> jhutchins: I'm not sure, just wanted to see whether is there any help of that matter
[08:52] <johny_> jhutchins: Have alittle problem withg that mini - distro "emovix
[08:52] <MisterQ> jhutchins: what do i do with the generated source list?
[08:52] <jhutchins> johny_: maybe #emovix ?
[08:53] <jhutchins> MisterQ: You need to replace the old source list with it.
[08:53] <MisterQ> *noob*...how do i do that?
[08:53] <MisterQ> type it in?
[08:53] <jhutchins> MisterQ: You can edit the source list file and copy-and-paste the text, you can save the generated text and copy it to the correct dir with correct permissions... which sounds easier to you?
[08:54] <MisterQ> copy and paste
[08:54] <juka> HI!
[08:54] <jhutchins> MisterQ: Do you have a favorite linux text editor?
[08:54] <juka> just a quick one,
[08:54] <juka> i want "sudo nvclock -f -F 25" to start with linux!
[08:54] <adydas> jeds my favourite text editor
[08:54] <juka> s I don't have to type it every time
[08:55] <adydas> !alias
[08:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alias - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:55] <jhutchins> juka: What does that do?
[08:55] <johny_> adydas: what are you looking for about alias
[08:55] <adydas> juka: http://www.ss64.com/bash/alias.html
[08:56] <juka> it quiets down the immensly loud nvidia graphics card
[08:56] <jhutchins> adydas: You realise that an alias still means he has to issue some command.
[08:56] <juka> anywhere from 10% to 100% fanspeed
[08:56] <jhutchins> juka: Cool.
[08:56] <johny_> !search bash
[08:56] <ubotu> Found: dash, forkbomb, bash
[08:56] <MisterQ> jhutchins; that application still will not open
[08:56] <jhutchins> juka: I would put it in the startup script myself.
[08:56] <adydas> what what i could see he was asking for a way to shorten it
[08:56] <adydas> as a command
[08:56] <jhutchins> MisterQ: Which application?
[08:57] <MisterQ> add/remove programs from the kmenu
[08:57] <jhutchins> adydas: Oh, yeah, or make a tiny script out of it, or put it in an icon.
[08:57] <juka> startup script?
[08:57] <jhutchins> MisterQ: Ok, you replace /etc/apt/sources.list with the generated file, you do apt-get update, then what?
[08:57] <juka> and, which FTP client do you reccomend?
[08:57] <adydas> he never asked how to put it as a startup script
[08:58] <jhutchins> juka: I usually either use wget or just use konqueror.
[08:58] <MisterQ> haven't updated yet
[08:58] <juka> uh... that's like in windows?
[08:59] <juka> ftp://username:pass@www.site.com ?
[08:59] <rylasasin_> lol@windows
[08:59] <jhutchins> juka: edit /etc/init.d/rc.local, put it at the end.  You need to edit with kdesu or sudo, but you don't need the sudo on the command.
[09:00] <Dr_willis> actually not at the end... any commands need to be befor the exit 0 command. :)
[09:00] <jhutchins> juka:  http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html
[09:00] <jhutchins> Dr_willis: Is that the right place for customized commands?
[09:00] <Dr_willis> jhutchins,  depends on what the command is doing...
[09:01] <Dr_willis> setting your wallpaper, no... loading some module, or service.. yes.
[09:01] <Dr_willis> or some other tweak
[09:01] <jhutchins> Right, system commands.
[09:01] <Dr_willis> theres no need for 'sudo' and you 'might' want to end the commands with & in case they dont return
[09:01] <Dr_willis> so it depends on what the command is and what its doing.
[09:01] <juka> Warning: unknown mime-type for "/etc/init.d/rc.local" -- using "application/*"
[09:01] <juka> Error: no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "application/*"
[09:02] <MisterQ> jhutchins: the applications still won't open. do i have to enable security and updates or something?
[09:02] <juka> when i type in edit /etc/init.d/rc.local
[09:02] <jhutchins> MisterQ: Did apt-get update work?
[09:02] <MisterQ> yeah
[09:02] <jhutchins> MisterQ: What error do you get?
[09:03] <MisterQ> i don't get an error. i get the hour glass and no window pops up
[09:03] <Dr_willis> !ksudo
[09:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ksudo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:03] <Dr_willis> !kdeus
[09:03] <Dr_willis> !kdeus
[09:03] <jhutchins> juka: Heh.  edit is a mail utility, won't edit a file.
[09:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdeus - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:03] <Dr_willis> Grr
[09:03] <Dr_willis> !kdesu
[09:03] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[09:03] <SlackRat> !kdesu
[09:03] <Dr_willis> juka,  so use 'kdesu edit /whatever/'
[09:04] <jhutchins> MisterQ: What is it you want to install?
[09:04] <jhutchins> Dr_willis: I don't think edit's gonna do what he wants...
[09:04] <juka> Dr_willis: "Failed to open device!"
[09:04] <juka> wtf? :(((((((
[09:04] <Dr_willis> thats from the touchpad entry in the xorg.conf
[09:04] <Dr_willis> did the editor startup?
[09:05] <juka> no :(
[09:05] <Dr_willis> I perfer console based editors - its worth wile learning how to use one
[09:05] <ksnipa> I just installed superkaramba when I run any themes I get a black place holder instead of seeing the applet
[09:05] <MisterQ> flash for the browser, divx and xvid to view videos off a dvd
[09:05] <ksnipa> any ideas?
[09:05] <Dr_willis> sudo nano /etc/rc.local
[09:05] <Dr_willis> or whatever it is.
[09:06] <jhutchins> juka: Do you know what a text editor is?
[09:06] <Dr_willis> or install mc, and use mcedit
[09:06] <juka> notepad? :)
[09:06] <juka> kwrite i guess
[09:06] <jhutchins> juka: There are dozens in linux.
[09:06] <SlackRat> kate
[09:06] <SlackRat> kedit
[09:06] <SlackRat> pico
[09:06] <jhutchins> kate works - kdesu kate /etc/init.d/rc.local
[09:06] <SlackRat> or is it nano in kubuntu?
[09:07] <jhutchins> SlackRat: Both
[09:07] <juka> uh... i just wrote kwrite and it opened a text editor
[09:07] <jhutchins> vi, emacs
[09:07] <juka> should i use kdesu kwrite /etc...
[09:07] <juka> ?
[09:07] <jhutchins> juka: Right, but you want the other command.
[09:07] <SlackRat> i figured out the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu.....
[09:07] <jhutchins> juka: yes.  kdesu sayd "do it as root".
[09:07] <juka> what about sudo then?
[09:07] <jhutchins> Passing the file name saves having to brows for it.
[09:07] <SlackRat> not for gui apps
[09:07] <jhutchins> sudo is only for command line applications.
[09:08] <jhutchins> running GUI apps with sudo can kill your system.
[09:08] <MisterQ> jhutchins: can i just install another package manager like synaptics? or something
[09:08] <juka> uhhhhh... it opened the editor but now it says failed to open device and i cannot get to write commands anymore
[09:08] <jhutchins> MisterQ: Well, you already have a perfectly good command line package manager.
[09:08] <Dr_willis> jhutchins,  you SURE its not /etc/rc.local ? it sure seems to be /etc/rc.local here....
[09:09] <jhutchins> Dr_willis: Seems like I have both.
[09:09] <Dr_willis> jhutchins,  you are having him edit the init script.. not the rc.local file that gets ran. :)
[09:09] <SlackRat> or, go thru the graphical screens from home up to / find etc, open it, open the file you want to edit and find the menu action 'edit as root'
[09:09] <Dr_willis> you want commands in /etc/rc.local
[09:09] <jhutchins> juka: Probably the one you want to edit is /etc/rc.local, not the other one.
[09:09] <SlackRat> which will get you acquainted with your file sytem
[09:09] <juka> :)
[09:09] <moises> hey guys. I want to get rid of all the data related to amarok - like, my collection list and such. but there's no ~/.amarok folder. how do i do it
[09:10] <jhutchins> Sorry, I come from another linux univers.
[09:10] <Dr_willis> moises,  its in the .kde dir somewhere
[09:10] <SlackRat> which one hutchins?
[09:10] <jhutchins> Redhat/Mandriva(SuSE).
[09:10] <moises> thanks
[09:10] <jrattner> Question: how do i install an icon theme that i download from KDE look
[09:10] <moises> noob question - where is the .kde folder
[09:10] <SlackRat> ah, yeah the edit as root option ive only noticed on kubuntu
[09:11] <MadRush> if you have a swap partition activated, should it show up when you do a 'dh'?
[09:11] <Dr_willis> !themes
[09:11] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[09:11] <SlackRat> locate .kde
[09:11] <Dr_willis> check out !changethemes
[09:11] <Dr_willis> .kde is in you rusers home dir
[09:11] <jhutchins> apt-get --purge remove packagename - removes a installed package (configfiles will also be removed)
[09:12] <jrattner> !changethemes
[09:12] <ubotu> [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[09:12] <Dr_willis> --purge will NOT remove config files in the users home dirs.
[09:13] <blue|palm> Does anybody here have experience building the OGRE library version (1.2.5 DAGON) on kubuntu edgy?
[09:13] <Dr_willis> never heard of it blue|palm
[09:13] <Dr_willis> having some specific problem? we may be able to help
[09:13] <moises> nothing in this folder
[09:13] <moises> related to amarok at least
[09:14] <Dr_willis> all kde programs keep their settings and stuff some where in the nested maze of .kde
[09:14] <singinmatt13> hey, a while ago when i would log in to kubuntu (edgy) it would loop back to kdm.  NOW when i log in it brings up a session of konsole without any window
[09:15] <Dr_willis> try renaming .kde to somthing else.. and see :) if amarok is one of the odd ones it might not store things there... but that would be real real odd.
[09:15] <SlackRat> i figured out the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu.....
[09:15] <Dr_willis> ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok$
[09:16] <Dr_willis> right where i figured it would be. :)
[09:16] <Dr_willis> SlackRat,  one has kde one has gnome? :)
[09:16] <moises> found it =)
[09:16] <jrattner> Question: does mail-notification work in KDE as well as gnome?
[09:16] <SlackRat> well besides that
[09:16] <SlackRat> kubuntu is so much cooler than ubuntu  :-P
[09:18] <kay> hi everyone
[09:18] <singinmatt13> i'll say it again.  a while ago when i would log in to kubuntu (edgy) it would loop back to kdm.  NOW when i log in it brings up a session of konsole without any window
[09:18] <binks_> singinmatt13: have you no x at all
[09:19] <singinmatt13> well kdm runs so i'd assume x is running
[09:19] <binks_> singinmatt13: try typeing startx at the console
[09:19] <binks_> arr ok sorry
[09:19] <kay> Could anybody help me here please? I have s strange problem with my keyboard. And I don't know what to do with.
[09:20] <binks_> kay: whats the prob
[09:20] <kay> I have USB keyboard
[09:20] <eXistenZ> Where can I find posted screenshots of kubuntu desktops?
[09:20] <binks_> singinmatt13: how did you install kdm
[09:20] <kay> And it's not working at all
[09:20] <Dr_willis> eXistenZ,  try kubuntu.org ?
[09:20] <Dr_willis> eXistenZ,  or kde-look.org
[09:20] <kay> I tried some things found i forums, they are not working
[09:21] <caris_mere> Kontact gives me an error when starting up (first time it's been started), signal 11 SIGSEGV
[09:21] <binks_> !keyboard | kay
[09:21] <ubotu> kay: To find out how to switch your keyboard layout, See https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[09:21] <singinmatt13> binks_: that was when i originally installed kub edgy through the alternate install cd
[09:21] <jrattner> How do i get a program to start with every kde session?
[09:21] <Dr_willis> kay,  you are refering to a normal usb keyboard?
[09:21] <Dr_willis> jrattner,  .kde/Autostart dir.. make some links in there.. or scripts
[09:21] <kay> no, let me explain
[09:21] <kay> it is usual USB keyboard
[09:21] <kay> and the prblem is that I maged it to work
[09:21] <kay> but after ligin
[09:22] <jrattner> Dr_willis, can i just drag an icon into that folder?
[09:22] <Dr_willis> jrattner,  it can take .desktop files also.. try it and see.
[09:22] <kay> it is not working on ligin screen neither in console
[09:22] <jrattner> Dr_willis, do i want to copy or link there? or does it not matter
[09:22] <Dr_willis> jrattner,  but most kde apps 'should' rember/save the session   and restart
[09:22] <binks_> singinmatt13: sorry i dont use the alt cd install but you could try changing session type
[09:22] <kay> a have usbhid loaded at startup, but no change
[09:22] <Dr_willis> jrattner,  dont think it matters
[09:23] <singinmatt13> binks_: tried
[09:23] <Dr_willis> kay,  you got it working 'somehow' then on the next reboot.. it failed to work?
[09:23] <singinmatt13> binks_: it's a kde problem
[09:23] <singinmatt13> binks_: it may have to do w/ permissions
[09:23] <binks_> so remove and reinstall kde
[09:23] <kay> no, it works everytime, after sucesful login
[09:23] <jrattner> Dr_willis, Last question, how can I make my session lock when I close my laptop screen
[09:23] <eXistenZ> binks_, What font do you use in KDE?
[09:24] <kay> that's mean after KDE loadup
[09:24] <Dr_willis> jrattner,  no idea.. i hate that feature. :)
[09:24] <Dr_willis> jrattner,  to be honest.. i thought that was the default.. whichis why i hated it.
[09:24] <binks_> eXistenZ: i run theme manager why
[09:24] <jrattner> hmmm
[09:24] <binks_> i cant remember the font
[09:24] <kay> I don't know why, but i seems, that USB is not powerup, but after login it starts
[09:24] <eXistenZ> binks_, beryl?
[09:25] <singinmatt13> binks_: not an option at the moment
[09:25] <binks_> eXistenZ: yes beryl
[09:25] <binks_> but not xgl
[09:25] <moises> one more question guys. I want to change my keyboard system to one that works with portuguese - with accents, and all that
[09:26] <singinmatt13> binks_: would it help you to know that the fglrx module won't load?
[09:26] <binks_> singinmatt13: what error you getting
[09:26] <binks_> singinmatt13: which ati card you got
[09:26] <Dr_willis> kay,  im missing somthing here.. how do you login with no keyboard?
[09:26] <kay> switch to ps/2 keyboard
[09:26] <kay> then put it back as USB
[09:27] <kay> it's not very comfortable
[09:27] <fritz> hey I installed easyubuntu and I get nothing
[09:27] <Dr_willis> leave them both plugged in and see what happens.
[09:27] <BluesKaj> !pt>moises
[09:27] <Dr_willis> easyubuntu is not a good idea. :)
[09:27] <singinmatt13> binks_: "FATAL: Error running install command for fglrx"
[09:27] <fritz> what do I do from there
[09:27] <underdog5004> surgy, it didn't work...again
[09:27] <Dr_willis> kay,  could also try different usb ports.
[09:27] <BluesKaj> !pt > moises
[09:27] <binks_> singinmatt13: what tutorial did u follow for fglrx install
[09:27] <Dr_willis> fritz,  read about easyubuntu at the easyubuntu web site?  or perhaps #easyubuntu
[09:28] <Dr_willis> #easyubuntu
[09:28] <Dr_willis> !easyubuntu
[09:28] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[09:28] <kay> I tried that
[09:28] <kay> no change
[09:28] <singinmatt13> binks_: radeon xpress 200M and.....i'm not remembering at the moment on the tut
[09:28] <fritz> forgot about the channel
[09:28] <xenol> if i have "ati" driver installed can i run beryl, xgl or aiglx?
[09:28] <fritz> thenks
[09:28] <moises> hm - unfortunately, my portuguese isn't great, but i'll look into that, thanks
[09:28] <binks_> xenol: yes i do
[09:28] <xenol> binks_:  and which one
[09:29] <jrattner> Does Anyone know how to make my screen lock when I close my lap top lid
[09:29] <Dr_willis> kay,  on this box.. the USB keybaords dont work for me in GRUB but they do work in the bios screen, and once linux starts. :) so i got a ps2 keyboard also.
[09:29] <binks_> xenol: beryl and if i can be arsed to start it xgl
[09:29] <xenol> binks_:  i have a bit older gpu
[09:29] <Dr_willis> jrattner,  there are some laptop specific packages that may enable that fgeature. or check the ubuntu/kubuntu forums/wiki pages. they have a section on laptops
[09:29] <binks_> !ati | singinmatt13
[09:29] <ubotu> singinmatt13: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:29] <xenol> binks_:  will beryl run with no problem on radeon 9600 pro?
[09:29] <Dr_willis> jrattner,  last i checked on my laptop. i close the lid. it then asks for a password to get back in.
[09:30] <jrattner> hmm weird
[09:30] <binks_> xenol: i have a 9600 xt
[09:30] <Dr_willis> jrattner,  and i hate the feature. :)
[09:30] <kay> Dr_willis: I think about it, but it is no solution
[09:30] <BluesKaj> singinmatt13, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-d8c6fd05bce340dfc3ad483abf0e18997868540b
[09:30] <Dr_willis> jrattner,  but THEN i noticed that suspend actually started working on that laptop. weee.
[09:30] <singinmatt13> binks_: that's the tut i used
[09:30] <Dr_willis> kay,  check the dmesg logs befor/after the keyboard starts working.
[09:30] <jrattner> heheh
[09:30] <xenol> binks_:  did u installed binary drivers?
[09:31] <FordPrefect_NZ> yo. anyone know if its possible to disable the MOTD from showing in konversation? thx in advance :)
[09:31] <binks_> singinmatt13:  try th one BluesKaj posted
[09:31] <binks_> xenol: yes i have fglrx fron ati
[09:31] <kay> Dr_willis: could you please give me advice where they are located?
[09:31] <adydas> Bloody newzealanders
[09:31] <kay> thanks
[09:31] <singinmatt13> that may not even be the problem
[09:31] <Dr_willis> kay,  use the 'dmesg' command :)
[09:31] <binks_> no but it may be singinmatt13
[09:31] <Dr_willis> dmesg, plug in the thing.. dmesg again and look at the end.
[09:32] <singinmatt13> binks_: shall try
[09:32] <binks_> singinmatt13: allways fix whats broken first then look for gremlins
[09:32] <kuhni> hallo
[09:32] <xenol> binks_:  did u have any probs with installing it?
[09:33] <kay> I'll try it, thanks. But I still don't get why USB si activating after ogin, and not during boot
[09:33] <Dr_willis> kay,  you do realize that the kdm screen shows up.. and some things are STILL actually strating up in the background. wait a min or so and see if it kicks in?
[09:33] <Dr_willis> they do it that way so the system 'seems' to boot faster. :)
[09:34] <kay> yes, I wait for a while, but no effect
[09:34] <Dr_willis> could boot to the console mode. (no kdm) and see if it works after a bit.
[09:34] <kay> but I try to reebot and try it again
[09:34] <[R] eaper> i need help with my vga card :(
[09:34] <Dr_willis> it may be X is somehow kicking it in the head to activate
[09:34] <binks_> xenol: yes i had to delete the lines that ref to wacom drivers
[09:34] <kay> Dr_willes: in console there is the same problem
[09:35] <xenol> binks_: was it difficult to do it?
[09:35] <binks_> no very easy xenol
[09:35] <kay> Dr_willis:  it doesn't work, but after login it works
[09:35] <Dr_willis> kay,  i would be checking dmesg for any interesting issues..
[09:35] <xenol> binks_:  so u just edited xorg.conf
[09:35] <binks_> xenol: yes
[09:35] <kay> ok I am on it
[09:35] <binks_> about 6 lines to delete
[09:35] <shawarma> Hi! If you want to edit a file as root under Kubuntu, how do you do it? "sudo some-kde-editor /foo/bar" from a terminal, perhaps?
[09:35] <kay> but I need resrt
[09:35] <kay> restart :)
[09:35] <xenol> binks_:  and in case i do smth wrong is it enough to do sudo reconfigure xorg.conf?
[09:36] <kay> brb
[09:36] <Dr_willis> that would be REAL REAL odd if you had to login: through the console with 1 keybord.. THEN the other  starts working  in the console.
[09:36] <jrattner> What is the command to reconfigure X? sudo dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xor?
[09:36] <jrattner> or something?
[09:36] <binks_> shawarma: sudo kate file/path
[09:36] <shawarma> jrattner: No space between dpkg and -reconfigure
[09:36] <xenol> shawarma:  kdesu kate /foo/bar
[09:36] <shawarma> binks_: kate is the canonical editor?
[09:36] <shawarma> binks_, xenol: Thanks!
[09:36] <mzanfardino> I've recently installed kubuntu 6.10 and I'm using a dual-head video adapter (nvidia gfx 5600).  I've configured my login account to load each of my two monitors with it's own desktop (as opposed to a twin-view configuration).  I want both desktops to have the identical KDE layout.  How do I achieve this?
[09:36] <SlackRat> kdesu kate etc....since youre firing up a gui editor
[09:36] <binks_> shawarma: ? i dont no its just there
[09:37] <xenol> binks_:  can u give me web where i can see how to install flgrx driver plox
[09:37] <[R] eaper> Dr_willis: please take a look at this http://www.4shared.com/file/10843337/21397191/Archive.html
[09:37] <SlackRat> or there is a function on the menu, if you want to go the gui window you wish to edit and open he folder and click on action/ edit as root
[09:37] <binks_> !ati | xenol
[09:37] <ubotu> xenol: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:37] <duckdown> Hey all... How can I foce a program that doesn't have built-in SOCKS firewall support to route all of its traffic through mine?  Like I have a SOCKS proxy listening on localhost:1234 , but Opera web browser has no SOCKS support (lame.)  I seem to remember a program like 'socksify' or something that you can prefix the program you want to run with.. (It's not socksify though, cause I installed it and the manpage shows nothing like tha
[09:37] <[R] eaper> my vga just doesnt work right
[09:37] <duckdown> t)
[09:37] <xenol> binks_:  thx
[09:38] <maersk> what is the comand line  for unrar ?
[09:38] <xenol> maersk:  man unrar
[09:38] <Dr_willis> [R] eaper,  care to give me a summary? :) i dont want to go see some  alt.binary.nurse.erotica  pics.. :)
[09:38] <Dr_willis> !unrar
[09:38] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[09:38] <maersk> what is the comand line  for unrar ?
[09:38] <binks_> unrar e my/file maersk
[09:38] <Dr_willis> !unp
[09:38] <ubotu> unp: unpack (almost) everything with one command. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.10 (edgy), package size 9 kB, installed size 72 kB
[09:38] <Dr_willis> or unrar X i think.. or is it i x
[09:38] <[R] eaper> Dr_willis: xorg.conf , Xorg.0.log kern.log
[09:38] <Dr_willis> when in doubt read the docs.. :)
[09:39] <singinmatt13> binks_: i noticed that most of the stuff in the tutorial did nothing, as in most of it had already been done.  i still can't log in fully, and fglrx still won't load.
[09:39] <Dr_willis> [R] eaper,  dident want to put them on a pastebin site?
[09:39] <[R] eaper> what is that?? :S
[09:39] <binks_> singinmatt13: whats in the xorg log
[09:40] <singinmatt13> binks_: also the output of fglrxinfo shows a bunch of info about mesa3d and nothign about ati anything
[09:40] <singinmatt13> binks_: file path to that log?
[09:40] <binks_> singinmatt13: we need to fglrx working is fglrx listed in xorg.conf
[09:41] <binks_> !locate | singinmatt13
[09:41] <Dr_willis> !pastebin
[09:41] <binks_> ok i didnt work
[09:41] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:41] <binks_> singinmatt13: /etc/X11/xorg.
[09:42] <singinmatt13> binks_: inside "Section "Module"" ?
[09:42] <binks_> just a sec its been a while
[09:42] <[R] eaper> ok, there is my xorg.0.log http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6448/
[09:43] <singinmatt13> binks_: there is glx inside the Modules section and an fglrx in the Device section
[09:43] <singinmatt13> the one in Device is labeled Driver
[09:44] <binks_> singinmatt13: that seems ok just gis a sec
[09:44] <binks_> [R] eaper: remind me xorg.log is
[09:45] <[R] eaper> xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6450/
[09:45] <Tm_T> !root
[09:45] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:45] <Tm_T> Hmm, not that.
[09:46] <Tm_T> root: Anyway, you shouldn't irc as root.
[09:47] <xenol> binks_:  and wat shoudl i install XGL od AIGLX?
[09:47] <binks_> xenol: i havent tried aiglx
[09:47] <xenol> binks_:  so only xgl
[09:47] <singinmatt13> binks_: am rebooting as it says to because fglrxinfo came out bad
[09:47] <xenol> binks_:  well xgl = beryl ?
[09:48] <binks_> !windowmanager
[09:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about windowmanager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:48] <binks_> !xgl | xenol
[09:48] <ubotu> xenol: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:48] <SlackRat> TM, some channels even kick you if you log in as root, might be an idea to use here, with the warning, you have signed in as root, please log back into this channel as user.....
[09:48] <binks_> xenol: not quite no
[09:48] <xenol> binks_:  well any difference between xgl and beryl?
[09:48] <Dr_willis> I think it should be a server thing.. :)
[09:49] <binks_> xenol: different thing
[09:49] <binks_> altogether
[09:49] <Dr_willis> but the users that irc as root.. are not smart enough normally to realize what they are doing thats 'wrong'
[09:49] <binks_> berly is a theme manager xgl is a window manager
[09:49] <SlackRat> thats why some channels kick you with the explicit instructions how dangerous it is and please retry as non root
[09:50] <dwidmann> binks_ not quite
[09:50] <SlackRat> it happens on some distros where there is a root acct and you're just not thinking atm
[09:50] <dwidmann> xgl is an x server, beryl is a window manager, emerald is a theme manager
[09:50] <binks_> dwidmann: sorry my knowledge is small in this field
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[09:51] <binks_> dwidmann: so xgl replaces xorg ??
[09:51] <linuxworld> hello im trying to burn a iso of a live distro whit k3b but i get error every time i use 4 x and tryied tao and sao the checksum corrispond so what's wrong?
[09:51] <SlackRat> wow, this is such a sane channel compared to the monster sized #ubuntu...heh
[09:51] <dwidmann> yes and  no ... the gist I got out of it is that xgl is basically a hacked Xorg running overtop of opengl ...
[09:52] <Dr_willis> SlackRat,  thats why i hang here more.
[09:52] <Dr_willis> :)
[09:52] <dwidmann> I think XGL requires Xorg really
[09:52] <linuxworld> can u help me whit k3b?
[09:52] <SlackRat> :D
[09:52] <binks_> dwidmann: just to confuse me even more
[09:52] <binks_> :):)
[09:52] <SlackRat> whats wrong with K3b?
[09:52] <phobiac> is there anything that can notify me of new mail (that also works with gmail?) I don't want a full email client, just something that tells me when I have a new mail.
[09:52] <xenol> oh thx
[09:53] <phobiac> + It would be awesome if it could check multiple accounts.
[09:53] <xenol> i g2g bb
[09:53] <binks_> !k3b | SlackRat
[09:53] <ubotu> SlackRat: k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[09:53] <dwidmann> binks: I know,  it confuses me a little too, until I sit back, read for hours on end, and think about it.
[09:53] <SlackRat> binks, that wasnt a question, someone else hoad a quieston
[09:53] <binks_> dwidmann: lol nice one
[09:53] <linuxworld> im trying to burn the iso of pclinuxos 2007 whit k3b but gives me error every time whit both tao and sao i use 4x and checksum are same can u help?
[09:53] <binks_> SlackRat: sorry
[09:53] <SlackRat> np
[09:54] <binks_> linuxworld: are the discs ok
[09:54] <dwidmann> linuxworld: what error?
[09:54] <SlackRat> linuxworld, have you burned with it before without problems?
[09:55] <linuxworld> no it's 1 time i use it on mandriva
[09:55] <binks_> linuxworld: which distro you on at the moment
[09:55] <singinmatt13> binks_: no luck...i changed the Composite in xorg.conf to false instead of 0, and i rebooted.  maybe it will work
[09:55] <Dr_willis> i thought false = 0
[09:55] <binks_> singinmatt13: wait a sec
[09:56] <linuxworld> mandriva binks
[09:56] <linuxworld> can u help?
[09:57] <linuxworld> the powerpack 2007
[09:57] <SlackRat> you may have to run the K3b setup program if there is one on the DrakMenus
[09:58] <linuxworld> hurraaaaaaaaaa
[09:58] <linuxworld> solved it's doing it whit RAW
[09:58] <linuxworld> let's hope everything goes right lucky i have cdrw
[09:58] <linuxworld> so can make mistakes
[09:58] <SlackRat> heh
[09:58] <linuxworld> are u slackrat from matt's chan?
[09:58] <SlackRat> matts as in pcbsd?
[09:59] <linuxworld> yes
[09:59] <linuxworld> hehe it's me my friend
[09:59] <linuxworld> distro
[09:59] <SlackRat> yup
[09:59] <SlackRat> cool
[09:59] <SlackRat> great distro they put out
[10:00] <Dr_willis> well bbl
[10:00] <binks_> SlackRat: remove the wacom bits from xorg.conf
[10:00] <binks_> night all csi comin on
[10:00] <binks_> SlackRat: sorry
[10:01] <Zorix> hey everyone.. i just installed kubuntu again after a long time and ive noticed that after i installed nvidia binary drivers and beryl that when i installed ut2004 linux it runs terrible.. and it wasnt like this before.. any idea where i should look to speed it up
[10:01] <SlackRat> you should actually make sure the tab completion has the right name, lol
[10:01] <binks_> singinmatt13: remove the wacom bits from xorg.conf
[10:01] <linuxworld> im about to pass to pclinuxos 2007 slack it's the best for my advise
[10:01] <SlackRat> its nice to start on, but i got bored in day or so....good starter distro
[10:02] <SlackRat> less confusing than drake , but with many of the same features
[10:02] <jhutchins> Zorix: beryl is very alpha, very unstable, and very resource intensive.  It's meant to compete with vista on similar hardware.
[10:02] <etyllo> i have problems with fps in counter-strike, could somebody help me?
[10:02] <jhutchins> Zorix: You want to speed up your system, turn off beryl.
[10:02] <Zorix> right but i turned it back to kwin and it was still slow
[10:03] <singinmatt13> binks_: done
[10:04] <linuxworld> im trying this mandriva powerpack 2007 slack
[10:04] <linuxworld> but don't like it much
[10:04] <XenThraL> !br
[10:04] <ubotu> pt is Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[10:07] <SlackRat> depends on what you want from your distro
[10:07] <SlackRat> i used mandriva a few years back
[10:07] <SlackRat> hated their whole members get special treatment marketing
[10:07] <BluesKaj> mandriva didn't do much for me
[10:08] <SlackRat> it was quick and configurable more than redhat at the time
[10:08] <BluesKaj> got a pirated copy of the enterprise edition of mandriva from an enthusiast but not my cuppa tea
[10:08] <SlackRat> compiled to a 586 arch
[10:10] <SlackRat> did someone just enter as root, or is that just the nick?
[10:11] <linuxworld> u advise me slack to try k3b right the only secure way to brun stuff whit it?
[10:12] <LjL> SlackRat: probablt did.
[10:12] <SlackRat> secure?
[10:12] <SlackRat> i thought you just burned something?
[10:12] <Schuenemann> I just installed edgy and I'm getting this alert box all the time: Sound server fatal error: cpu overloading, aborting
[10:13] <Schuenemann> what is that?
[10:13] <SlackRat> change your sound server
[10:13] <SlackRat> its a kde bug usually
[10:13] <Schuenemann> how?
[10:13] <Schuenemann> I had dapper installed hours ago and it was fine
[10:13] <singinmatt13> binks_: i did what you said, and you've officially screwed over my laptop
[10:13] <singinmatt13> so...i'm reinstalling
[10:13] <SlackRat> try alsaconf if its in kbuntu, and use alsa or open
[10:14] <SlackRat> its set on default atm? the soundserver?
[10:14] <eXistenZ> binks_, what is your cpu temp?
[10:14] <Schuenemann> I don't know
[10:14] <Schuenemann> I just installed it
[10:14] <Schuenemann> how do I check?
[10:14] <SlackRat> go to the control center under sound
[10:15] <SlackRat> sound & mulitmedia
[10:15] <SlackRat> brb getting coffee
[10:15] <Schuenemann> is it sound system?
[10:17] <atidem> hello
[10:18] <Schuenemann> SlackRat, you there?
[10:19] <SlackRat> yea
[10:19] <Schuenemann> system config > sound system ?
[10:19] <SlackRat> yes
[10:19] <Schuenemann> then what?
[10:19] <SlackRat> its on default under hardware?
[10:20] <Schuenemann> the first combo? says autodetect
[10:20] <SlackRat> sorry thats what i meant, im not on kubuntu atm
[10:20] <SlackRat> try alsa
[10:21] <SlackRat> apply, try the test sound in the first panel then
[10:21] <Schuenemann> very slow :/
[10:22] <slow-motion> n8
[10:22] <SlackRat> yeah, buntu is the slowest distro im running atm
[10:22] <Schuenemann> what is atm?
[10:22] <SlackRat> kubuntu......its the slowest distro on my boxen
[10:23] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: At The Moment
[10:23] <Schuenemann> try suse, then :p
[10:23] <SlackRat> atm, heh
[10:23] <Schuenemann> ahh...
[10:23] <eXistenZ> Can anyone suggest me a neat minimalistic KDE theme?
[10:23] <SlackRat> but suse is slower with less pkgs
[10:23] <Schuenemann> oh my god... I think it hanged
[10:25] <SlackRat> did you get the scroll bar progress
[10:25] <SlackRat> when starting alsa?   does buntu even come with alsa-utils, i forgot
[10:25] <Schuenemann> the system config window hangs
[10:26] <SlackRat> *which* system config?
[10:27] <Schuenemann> the window
[10:27] <Schuenemann> hanged then I clicked 'test'
[10:28] <SlackRat> you cant even reset or press a button like test?
[10:28] <Schuenemann> what do you mean?
[10:29] <SlackRat> hangs.....it doesnt do anything, its frozen? im not psychic and i cant see your screen
[10:29] <Schuenemann> yeah, frozen... I killed it
[10:30] <SlackRat> so its gone?
[10:30] <Schuenemann> yes
[10:30] <SlackRat> good
[10:30] <SlackRat> did you have sound before it crashed on you with the cpu warning?
[10:31] <Schuenemann> no, it's a brand new installation
[10:31] <soulrider> !webcam
[10:31] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[10:31] <Schuenemann> no I "always" had this error
[10:31] <Schuenemann> so*
[10:31] <SlackRat> did it make the login sounds
[10:31] <Schuenemann> I don't know, I wasn't using the headphones hehe
[10:32] <SlackRat> hmn, go to a command line and sudo alsaconf
[10:33] <Schuenemann> I'm doing an adept update now, will that matteR?
[10:33] <SlackRat> it shouldnt
[10:33] <Schuenemann> alsaconf not found
[10:33] <Schuenemann> command*
[10:34] <SlackRat> ok, now, what system did you install and what are you updating to?
[10:34] <Schuenemann> I installed kubuntu 6.10 edgy and the update is just a normal update
[10:35] <Schuenemann> it is the first time I log
[10:35] <Schuenemann> log in*
[10:35] <SlackRat> ok.....i d let it finish, since im not sure what all its installing and updating
[10:35] <innovati> so is there a way to go to a double-click desktop?  I can't STAND single click icons
[10:35] <SlackRat> then, alsa is a pretty good sound utility for linux......when its done, use syanptic and install alsa packages.....
[10:35] <Schuenemann> openoffice, xorg, libgtkdnsutils, etc
[10:35] <soulrider> does anyone here use a webcam? i connected mine and with camorama i can see it works, but the image is really weird, black and white with white blocks everywhere
[10:36] <soulrider> innovati: yes, you can change to double click
[10:36] <SlackRat> kde control center peripherals mouse, and change to single click
[10:36] <SlackRat> or double click
[10:36] <Schuenemann> innovati, system config > mouse
[10:36] <innovati> under mouse! aha, it wasn't there on other distros
[10:36] <SlackRat> install alsa, alsa-utils....
[10:36] <Schuenemann> I selected alsa as you told me to
[10:36] <SlackRat> alsa driver......
[10:37] <SlackRat> when they install you should be able to run alsaconf and it will find and start up your sound card
[10:37] <innovati> I must say, I'll bbiab but Kubuntu is the best distro I've ever installed so far!
[10:37] <Schuenemann> ok, I'll try
[10:37] <Schuenemann> this is a long update... *sigh*
[10:37] <SlackRat> also look at kmix and make sure your volumes are up high enough
[10:38] <SlackRat> but the main problem is getting away from the sound driver that gives that nasty cpu abort error
[10:38] <Schuenemann> yes
[10:38] <SlackRat> so alsa, or my second is often OpenSound System
[10:39] <SlackRat> trying alsaconf, and autodetect, if others give me that warning, which lets the system auto detect the right one......however that seems to be the problem atm
[10:40] <SlackRat> theres about four main alsa pkgs you can get from synaptic
[10:40] <Schuenemann> dapper auto detected
[10:40] <Schuenemann> it is strange edy didn't
[10:40] <SlackRat> dont worry about all of them , some are for other sound drivers to work with alsa
[10:40] <SlackRat> edgy is called edgy for a reason , but it seems this is a common kde bug
[10:41] <SlackRat> which they hope to replace with 4.0 but getting rid of artswrapper and  arts....thank god
[10:41] <SlackRat> artsd, imo, sucks
[10:43] <Schuenemann> still 46%
[10:43] <Schuenemann> my connection isn't fast
[10:44] <SlackRat> kmix volumes are up and unmuted?
[10:44] <Schuenemann> yes
[10:44] <SlackRat> speakers plugged in?
[10:44] <SlackRat> volume up/
[10:44] <Schuenemann> yep
[10:44] <drew3> Hi Folks I'd like to start fresh with apt-get, But-->>Could not open lock file /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[10:44] <Schuenemann> that too
[10:44] <SlackRat> is adept updating kde as well?
[10:45] <Schuenemann> I don't think so
[10:45] <SlackRat> rootkits! weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
[10:45] <Schuenemann> I didn't check exacly what was the update, it was a lot of stuff
[10:45] <tjz> skreech u here?
[10:45] <Schuenemann> normal for a new installation
[10:46] <SlackRat> yeah, i use drake and have to upgrade to drake 6.0.6.1 every time i wanna reinstall
[10:46] <SlackRat> cause its a three desktop dvd
[10:46] <SlackRat> takes a while
[10:46] <Schuenemann> 253 MB
[10:46] <SlackRat> you could try the test sound , while waiting.......
[10:46] <SlackRat> see if plays a logon them
[10:46] <SlackRat> theme
[10:46] <Schuenemann> I tried, it hanged
[10:46] <Schuenemann> I'll do it again
[10:47] <SlackRat> hmn, that shouldnt hang it, unless you changed another setting before it
[10:47] <Schuenemann> the error message stopped popping, though
[10:47] <Schuenemann> while I was installed it popped a lot
[10:47] <Schuenemann> installing*
[10:48] <SlackRat> or you could google the warning message edgy kde sound
[10:48] <mlalkaka> hi everyone
[10:48] <SlackRat> see if its commonly reported
[10:48] <Schuenemann> I'll let the update end
[10:49] <SlackRat> yeah, see whats on google in the meantime and the kubuntu or ubuntu forum pages
[10:49] <mlalkaka> i'm trying to switch from ubuntu to kubuntu. i've installed the kubuntu-desktop package. how do i uninstall all the ubuntu-desktop stuff that i don't need now?
[10:49] <assasukasse> hi everyone
[10:49] <assasukasse> is there anyone who has tried both gnome and kde?
[10:49] <SlackRat> let synaptic remove the pkg ubuntu-desktop
[10:50] <SlackRat> tho i t will take some pkgs with it no doubt
[10:50] <SlackRat> hi assaukasse...yes
[10:50] <assasukasse> SlackRat why u eventually choose kde
[10:50] <mlalkaka> assasukasse: i have
[10:50] <assasukasse> mlalkaka same question :D
[10:51] <assasukasse> im an ubuntu gnome user, but i am not satisfied
[10:51] <SlackRat> i alsways choose kde, imo its more efficient has more configuration options and is generally a bit faster on most of my machines
[10:51] <Schuenemann> kde is slower for me
[10:51] <Schuenemann> but gnome is too ugly
[10:51] <SlackRat> i tend to agree with torvalds, gnome likes to dumb things down and simplify and it takes your choices away
[10:52] <assasukasse> i dunno why kde is slower for me...but i don't want to go to xfce
[10:52] <mlalkaka> do any of you know a way to easily remove all the unnecessary ubuntu-desktop dependencies?
[10:52] <SlackRat> i depends on your box among other things......but you can tweak a bit for speed but not running unnecessary services
[10:53] <assasukasse> also, the problem is that i have a laptop centrino 1.4Ghz, with kde im always using more cpu, and more ram, so wasting more batteries
[10:53] <SlackRat> i wouldnt remove too much outsideo of the -desktop, lots of apps you like may use the Gtk tools that gnome builds on
[10:53] <juka> guys... which bandwidth limiter should I use? i need something like net-limiter to slow down Linux DC++
[10:53] <SlackRat> lots of great apps from gnome development.....keep the libs and things they dont take much room
[10:53] <assasukasse> juka netlimiter doesn't work, they will kick u out
[10:54] <juka> well... yeah, I figured, but is there anything similar to netlimter?
[10:54] <mae> how stable is the latest prerelease
[10:55] <assasukasse> juka they will easily find u are limiting the band and kick you out, they run bot, in 20 mins or less u will be banned...
[10:55] <SlackRat> start with just removing the gnome-desktop, and see how many pkgs it takes with it before you apply the changes
[10:55] <morpheus__> shame
[10:55] <juka> huh?
[10:55] <juka> i need to limit my download from 8PM till 1AM !!!
[10:55] <juka> MY download
[10:55] <assasukasse> ah
[10:55] <juka> what bot? which band?
[10:56] <Lynoure> assasukasse: Who are "they"?
[10:56] <assasukasse> Lynoure most of the time ppl want to limit their upload band on dc++ so the owners of the channel runs bot to check it
[10:56] <assasukasse> if they catch you with a band limiter they kick u out
[10:56] <Schuenemann> SlackRat, what is your connection speed?
[10:56] <assasukasse> but in juka's case maybe no
[10:57] <juka> this is an internal network
[10:57] <assasukasse> juka is no option for that in linux dc
[10:57] <assasukasse> ?
[10:57] <juka> no, there is no that option
[10:57] <juka> there is one in StrongDC++ in windows...
[10:57] <juka> it works like a charm, but here :(
[10:57] <juka> uh i hate windows :)
[10:58] <assasukasse> juka then i cant help i have no knowledge of any band limiter in linux
[10:58] <assasukasse> juka u could try to run strongdc in wine
[10:58] <juka> :/
[10:58] <juka> wine?
[10:58] <assasukasse> yea windows emulation
[10:58] <juka> win-emulator hm?
[10:58] <juka> :)
[10:59] <Tm_T> It's not emulator ;)
[10:59] <Tm_T> Only interface
[10:59] <assasukasse> you are right
[10:59] <juka> uh-huh, and how do i use it?
[10:59] <assasukasse> wine: Wine Is Not an Emulator
[10:59] <Tm_T> Just "wine firefox" for example.
[11:00] <Schuenemann> why would he wine firefox?
[11:00] <assasukasse> install the package and call the exe by putting wine in front of it
[11:00] <Tm_T> It was example.
[11:00] <juka> i have the strong.exe installed on the windows partition
[11:00] <juka> what should i change it to?
[11:00] <assasukasse> juka i would do this
[11:00] <assasukasse> install wine package
[11:01] <assasukasse> issue wineprefixcreate
[11:01] <assasukasse> copy the strong installer to your home dire
[11:01] <assasukasse> issue wine installer.exe from bash
[11:02] <assasukasse> then follow the info like u were on wine
[11:02] <assasukasse> windows not wine :D
[11:02] <juka> um...
[11:02] <juka> i don't get it 0:)
[11:03] <juka> i just tried opening the strong.exe by clicking on it, amazing, it didn't work :-o
[11:03] <assasukasse> juka did u install wine package?
[11:03] <Schuenemann> it will be amazing if you find a program that works nice with wine
[11:03] <assasukasse> shareaza works fine
[11:04] <jhutchins> I run quicken in wine all the time, have for years.
[11:04] <assasukasse> mirc works perfectly, in fact i am using mirc under wine
[11:04] <Schuenemann> well, you don't need shareaza
[11:04] <juka> i'm installing it now
[11:04] <Schuenemann> mirc perfectly? you're forcing
[11:04] <juka> actually, downloading
[11:04] <assasukasse> Schuenemann tell me any G2 apps in linux
[11:04] <jhutchins> It's a split install, the exe and data are on the server, but it relies in some stuff it installed on my old w95 system, which I mount as wine's C:\.
[11:05] <juka> 43 megs
[11:05] <jhutchins> Only issue I have is it always opens on the current desktop instead of the one where I start it.
[11:05] <assasukasse> Schuenemann i am lucky then, the only problem is that it doesn't minimize to icon and that tab doesn't autocomplete nicknames..
[11:05] <juka> that's about 20'
[11:05] <soulrider> heh, this is funny, my webcam works out of the box in linux, but in windoze its a b!tch to install
[11:05] <assasukasse> juka wine itself is around 10 meg
[11:05] <jhutchins> soulrider: Welcome to the good side of computing!
[11:06] <soulrider> lol
[11:06] <Antonio_Carlos_M> oh tnx
[11:06] <Antonio_Carlos_M> i did it
[11:07] <assasukasse> goodnite all, time for me to sleep
[11:07] <LNX1> hi !
[11:08] <LNX1> Someone known how to resolv this: When I click on the desktop bar to start an application, this application start often twice
[11:08] <Schuenemann> aren't you double clicking?
[11:08] <LNX1> like no
[11:08] <LNX1> no
[11:08] <Dr_willis> desktop bar?
[11:09] <Dr_willis> the panel you mean.?
[11:09] <LNX1> yes, the bottom bar
[11:09] <LNX1> ah ! yes
[11:09] <LNX1> ;)
[11:09] <Dr_willis> just some times 2 start?
[11:09] <SlackRat> over zealous  clicker sounds like
[11:09] <LNX1> yes, often but not each time
[11:10] <SlackRat> :p
[11:10] <Dr_willis> try a different mouse - would be my first test
[11:10] <SlackRat> click gently, its not windows, its more responsive, lol
[11:10] <LNX1> exemple: I click on Firefox, then 2 firefox start
[11:10] <LNX1> lol SlackRat ;)
[11:11] <Dr_willis> ive seen some mice get worn where they do that.
[11:11] <SlackRat> hmn, that too
[11:11] <Dr_willis> there may be some 'double click' time out tweaks.. but ive never noticed or needed them
[11:11] <LNX1> I have seen something about that last week , but don't remember where
[11:11] <LNX1> It's a real bug
[11:11] <Schuenemann> on your own computer, maybe?
[11:11] <Schuenemann> :p
[11:11] <LNX1> lol
[11:12] <LNX1> no, I have seen this on website, then it's my time to get this one
[11:12] <LNX1> ;)
[11:12] <mae> is feisty stable?
[11:12] <Schuenemann> SlackRat, this damn update is still at 83%
[11:12] <SlackRat> rofl
[11:12] <Schuenemann> no, it will be in april
[11:12] <LNX1> I'm on feisty now mea.....lol
[11:12] <Dr_willis> mae,   ive learned it dose NOT pay to be an 'early adopter' :)
[11:13] <LNX1> but in KDE, panel bar application start twice ;)
[11:13] <SlackRat> depends on if you wanna test....
[11:13] <SlackRat> or just get work done..... :-P
[11:13] <mae> Dr_willis: lol
[11:15] <Schuenemann> anyone using KDE 3.5.6?
[11:18] <xenol> i got problem turning off pc from kmenu. i can shut down using konsole. i have ati card and got after defpots =vga=791. this  helped me last time but after reinstall it doesnt works more :( any ideas?
[11:20] <xenol> i got problem turning off pc from kmenu. i can shut down using konsole. i have ati card and got after defpots =vga=791. this  helped me last time but after reinstall it doesnt works more :( any ideas?
[11:21] <Dr_willis> defpots?
[11:21] <xenol> line 84 in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:21] <xenol> defplotions or smth like that
[11:21] <Dr_willis> the vga= options in the grub/framebuffer - shoudent have anything to do with the shutdown stuff
[11:22] <xenol> hmm helped me last time but now it doesnt :(
[11:22] <Dr_willis> what about the KDM screen? can you shutdown from there.
[11:22] <xenol> yes
[11:22] <xenol> Dr_willis: no i cant shutdown from kdm
[11:22] <SlackRat> have you enabled power management?
[11:22] <Dr_willis> what happens if ypu try to shutdown?
[11:23] <xenol> well if u mean k menu - log out - turn off
[11:23] <Dr_willis> i mean the KDM login screen
[11:23] <xenol> Dr_willis: screen goes black and nothing else
[11:23] <knubbe> is ther any special package needed to play dvd-movies? ive tried now with mplayer, gxine, vlc and kaffeine.
[11:23] <SlackRat> libdvdcss
[11:23] <SlackRat> w32 codecs
[11:23] <Dr_willis> so the drives run for a bit.. X dies.. and the screen goes black/hangs? dosent power off.
[11:23] <SlackRat> libdvdread
[11:23] <xenol> !libdvdcss2
[11:23] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[11:24] <xenol> yes doesnt power off
[11:24] <Dr_willis> what does power it off then?
[11:24] <SlackRat> theres an unofficial package called easyubuntu that never gave me trouble
[11:24] <SlackRat> downloads your codecs etc
[11:24] <Dr_willis> SlackRat,  you are one of the few then.. :)
[11:24] <SlackRat> but download ur own java.....
[11:24] <xenol> Dr_willis: nothing screen is black and cooler is working
[11:24] <SlackRat> Dr_willis: what usually happpens when people use it?
[11:24] <xenol> hdd is turned off
[11:25] <xenol> as everything
[11:25] <Dr_willis> xenol,  you said earlier you could power 'off' when using the konsole
[11:25] <knubbe> SlackRat: hmm, ok
[11:25] <xenol> Dr_willis: sry yes but only from konsole using sudo poweroff/halt -h
[11:25] <Dr_willis> you could edit the kdm program to use that as its power off command/halt command.
[11:26] <Dr_willis> but id think thats what it is using now.
[11:26] <xenol> where can i see it?
[11:26] <Dr_willis> i though  the menus had some system/perferances/login manager icon.
[11:27] <Dr_willis> that let you set some things.. you need to enable the 'administrator mode' button. or go hardcore and edit the kdmrc file. (but thats overkill)
[11:27] <xenol> i am confused
[11:27] <Dr_willis> the kdm tool may be an optional package
[11:27] <Dr_willis> !find kdm
[11:27] <ubotu> Found: kde-kdm-themes, kdmtheme, kdm
[11:27] <SlackRat> knubbe, check out the forums, google etc for enabling dvd playback, ubuntu doesnt provide illegal codecs.....or......if you like risk, try easy ubuntu, works for me, but its not supported and has caused some folks headaches
[11:27] <xenol> i need to install kdm or what?
[11:28] <Dr_willis> the KDM configuration tool.. may or may not be installed by default.
[11:28] <Dr_willis> I tend to install EVERYTHING... and then some
[11:28] <xenol> hmm so sudo apt-get install kdm?
[11:28] <Dr_willis> try 'kdmtheme'
[11:28] <Dr_willis> kdm IS installed.
[11:28] <xenol> !kdmtheme
[11:28] <ubotu> kdmtheme: theme manager for KDM. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.2-1 (edgy), package size 100 kB, installed size 264 kB
[11:28] <SlackRat> its know as hoarding doc, i do the same thing
[11:29] <SlackRat> lol
[11:29] <Dr_willis> system admin --> Loginmanager and "kdm theme manager"
[11:29] <Dr_willis> are 2 tools i see.
[11:29] <knubbe> SlackRat: ive installed easyubuntu now
[11:29] <xenol> Dr_willis: u mean system settings?
[11:29] <knubbe> SlackRat: however, the window  starts loading and then it just "disappears". classic kubuntu problem.
[11:30] <Dr_willis> I put that Wrench/panel app- on the panel that lets me get to my settings faster.. :) the 'new' layout is garbage. :) heh
[11:30] <SlackRat> it will take awhile , choose what you need for the moment.....i think it has a tendency, like syanptic to get the wrong java....blackhawk java or somesuch, better off getting java from the java people
[11:30] <Dr_willis> look for it... is all i can say. my system is so tweaked.
[11:30] <xenol> Dr_willis: where can i find it?
[11:30] <Dr_willis> Look in your menus
[11:30] <SlackRat> but get the codecs for dvd mpeg playback etc
[11:31] <Dr_willis> I ALWAYS add the 'settings' panel applet to my panel..
[11:31] <xenol> Dr_willis: got it too and got login manager
[11:31] <Dr_willis> its under System Admin --> Login Manager
[11:31] <Dr_willis> the shutdown tab
[11:31] <Dr_willis> gives the commands it uses to do the different things.
[11:32] <xenol> yea i see what do i need to do?
[11:32] <SlackRat> then find the forum pages on dvd playback, do you have vlc installed?
[11:32] <Dr_willis> look explore... perhaps set it to use that command that works...
[11:32] <Dr_willis> it works for me.. so how do i know what you need. :)
[11:32] <SlackRat> it comes with alot of its own codecs included
[11:32] <SlackRat> and mplayer has an optional codec pack as well
[11:32] <xenol> Dr_willis:  well if i want to use poweroff i need it with sudo
[11:32] <Dr_willis> halt command here = /sbin/halt
[11:33] <knubbe> SlackRat: ok, im installing all the codecs easyubuntu has to offer
[11:33] <Dr_willis> xenol,  these commands are what KDM runs.. you dont need to use 'sudo' with them.
[11:33] <SlackRat> halt shouldnt be restricted to root permission
[11:33] <Dr_willis> you are tellking kdm what commands to use
[11:33] <xenol> oh i will try then brb
[11:33] <Dr_willis> whats odd - is that you got one command that works.. but the defaults are not working. I though  they were using the same command.
[11:35] <SlackRat> god this room is so much better ...... i may never go into that gnomish room again....heh
[11:35] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[11:35] <SlackRat> lol
[11:36] <Ademan> anyone who uses ktorrent, in the queue manager the higher a torrent is the higher priority... right?
[11:36] <SlackRat> i used to consider all the deskops under ubuntu, but almost wiped it to install etch because of all the chatter and obnoxiousness in the U  channels and forums
[11:36] <Dr_willis> Que manager? wheres that at?
[11:36] <SlackRat> anyone who's anyone uses K-ubuntu, lmao
[11:36] <Dr_willis> i got a 'downloads tab'
[11:36] <SlackRat> download this
[11:36] <SlackRat> :-P
[11:37] <xenol> Dr_willis: same prob
[11:37] <SlackRat> i can see the spanish fork now...Quebunutu
[11:38] <Schuenemann> SlackRat, finally ended
[11:38] <SlackRat> the update?
[11:38] <Dr_willis> xenol,  so 'halt' works when you 'sudo halt' and powers down.. but  the same command when ran by kdm dosent?
[11:38] <SlackRat> ok, add those alsa packages
[11:38] <xenol> Dr_willis: no
[11:39] <Schuenemann> hold on, it's installing now hehe
[11:40] <SlackRat> and you might want to try getting the test sound first and changing your sound drivers in kde first to see if one 'just works'......make sure, if you want them to go to system notifications and check play all sounds, as well
[11:40] <SlackRat> but if it doesnt work, run the alsaconf utility
[11:40] <Schuenemann> ok
[11:41] <SlackRat> cause something in your update may have already fixed it, but it usually doesnt hurt to have the alsa tools onboard
[11:41] <xenol> Dr_willis: where should i look for help and will this fkn bug be repaired in feisty?
[11:41] <Ademan> Dr_willis: the gear thing with QM written on it (in red and green)
[11:42] <Dr_willis> xenol,  no idea.. its not a bug for most people.. somthing seems real real real odd with your system however. what command do you use that actually powers off the box?
[11:42] <xenol> Dr_willis: i use sudo poweroff
[11:43] <Dr_willis> xenol,  tell kdm to use the poweroff command then?
[11:43] <Dr_willis> poweroff = halt -p  from what i just read..
[11:43] <Dr_willis> and halt -p is the default option for 'halt'
[11:43] <xenol> Dr_willis: it is set by default
[11:43] <Dr_willis> you could 'suid' the  poweroff command.. but thats getting dirty
[11:44] <Dr_willis> then ANYONE could power off the box with the poweroff command.
[11:44] <xenol> it is set
[11:44] <xenol> to everyone
[11:44] <xenol> only remote is for root
[11:44] <SlackRat> which is kde default i thought....
[11:44] <Schuenemann> SlackRat, it always freezes when I click 'test'
[11:45] <SlackRat> then dont click test anymore
[11:45] <Schuenemann> this sucks
[11:45] <SlackRat> heh
[11:45] <SlackRat> kill it
[11:45] <Dr_willis> xenol,  i mean at a lower level.. you are right.. it SHOULD be able to do it.. so this is all weird.
[11:45] <Schuenemann> I did
[11:45] <SlackRat> run alsaconf
[11:45] <versus> salut tout le monde
[11:45] <xenol> Dr_willis: in kde channel said it is  bug of ubuntu
[11:45] <Dr_willis> you could try the command    " sudo chmod +s  $(which poweroff) "           BUT thgat
[11:45] <Schuenemann> sudo: alsaconf: command not found
[11:45] <Dr_willis> xenol,  its a bug that seems rather rare then.
[11:45] <versus> what's de chan of kubuntu french ?
[11:45] <SlackRat> did you install alsa-utils etc
[11:46] <SlackRat> ?
[11:46] <Dr_willis> xenol,  check the kubuntu wiki/forums - ive never seen anyone else with this issue.
[11:46] <Schuenemann> nope
[11:46] <Schuenemann> utils and base?
[11:46] <xenol> xenol: weird is it works for me on dapper but not on edgy
[11:46] <SlackRat> its a bug in edgy maybe.....dapper works fine
[11:46] <xenol> Dr_willis: have already tried not many ppl have same problem
[11:46] <Schuenemann> I already have the latest alsa-utils
[11:46] <premier_> hello.  I have a kde system and I want to experiment with gnome.  How can I install it without worrying about destroying my data?
[11:46] <Dr_willis> install ubuntu-desktop premier_
[11:47] <Dr_willis> you can pick what one to log into from the kdm screen
[11:47] <SlackRat> how many alsa pkgs did you install?
[11:47] <xenol> and i got advice to use vga=791 after deftplotions or whatever is that thing called and it helped
[11:47] <Schuenemann> none, I already had alsa-utils
[11:47] <SlackRat> install a few alsa packages
[11:47] <xenol> well  Dr_willis does kernel settings have something to do with poweroff
[11:47] <xenol> ?
[11:47] <premier_> Dr_willis, so no worries about data loss?
[11:47] <SlackRat> one of them has the alsaconf set up tool
[11:48] <versus> anyone can say me what's the french channel ?
[11:48] <xenol> !fr
[11:48] <Schuenemann> !fr
[11:48] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:48] <SlackRat> alsa-drivers....etc
[11:48] <versus> merci
[11:48] <SlackRat> and run it as sudo
[11:48] <versus> thanks
[11:48] <Dr_willis> xenol,  theres a LOT of settings to do with it.. but  the command does work.. then it dosent for another user (kdm) that 'chmod +s' thing i gave earlier should fix it for all users.
[11:48] <Schuenemann> he begs for mercy
[11:48] <Dr_willis> premier_,  what data? the users /home is not affected.. you are just installing more packages
[11:48] <SlackRat> sometimes it takes a day or two to get sound right on a cranky system
[11:48] <Dr_willis> premier_,  you are making it too complex. :)
[11:48] <premier_> okay, sorry.
[11:49] <SlackRat> isnt linux fun??
[11:49] <Schuenemann> nope
[11:49] <Dr_willis> It pays to buy good hardware. :)
[11:49] <xenol> !paste
[11:49] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:49] <Dr_willis> My Audigy 2zs works gr8 :)
[11:49] <Schuenemann> well, even on this crappy hardware dapper worked fine
[11:49] <premier_> My computer hasnt been booting down properly.  When it logs out of my username, it stalls on a black screen for a long time; sometimes it wont stop and I have to crash it
[11:49] <Schuenemann> so it's not my hardwakre
[11:49] <Schuenemann> ware*
[11:50] <premier_> alt-ctrl-backspace doesnt work
[11:50] <xenol> i dont believe that if my HW was working great on dapper wont work great on edgy
[11:50] <SlackRat> which is why, where ubuntu is concerned, i dont upgrade so easily
[11:50] <SlackRat> bugs take months to work out, then , hey, new release
[11:50] <xenol> afaik what differs edgy from dapper is software updates
[11:50] <Dr_willis> xenol,  did you 'upgrade' or do a clean reinstall?
[11:50] <xenol> clean reinstall
[11:50] <Schuenemann> SlackRat, it was released in october!
[11:50] <SlackRat> also dapper was meant to be more stable and longer supported
[11:51] <SlackRat> its still based on debian unstable snapshots
[11:51] <SlackRat> i may try feisty in march
[11:51] <Schuenemann> I just got the stupid error message again
[11:51] <SlackRat> late march
[11:51] <la> today is new year
[11:51] <xenol> Dr_willis: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6479/
[11:51] <SlackRat> can you change to OpenSoundSystem instead of the autodetect??
[11:51] <xenol> Dr_willis: see line 84-90
[11:51] <SlackRat> yes la, year of the pig
[11:51] <Schuenemann> I changed to alsa
[11:52] <la> and what was last year ?
[11:52] <SlackRat> now go to sound notificiations and click on play ALL sounds
[11:52] <xenol> Dr_willis: wat should i try cause i getting really upset for this
[11:52] <Dr_willis> xenol,  the vga options do not have any affect on the powering down.. you COULD use the   optins to disable framebuffer and perhaps see some error log messages
[11:52] <la> it's good year
[11:52] <xenol> Dr_willis: do u want to see my logs?
[11:52] <SlackRat> apply to all apps, trun on all
[11:53] <Dr_willis> xenol,  you are talkign to some one who has linux box's with 4+ month of uptimes - i dont really worry about having to hit the power button to power one down.
[11:53] <SlackRat> try and play one of the sounds right below it
[11:53] <SlackRat> actions/playa sound
[11:53] <xenol> Dr_willis: well i cannot sleep when my PC is making noise although it  has only 30 DB
[11:53] <Dr_willis> xenol,  could try changing the line   # defoptions=vga=791 quiet splash           to  # defoptions= nofb onquiet nosplash
[11:54] <la> why it's so difficult to instal anything ?
[11:54] <Dr_willis> and rerun the grub-install and see if you can get some error messages
[11:54] <Dr_willis> when you boot/shutdown
[11:54] <robi_> i like kubuntu
[11:54] <xenol> Dr_willis: i love u
[11:54] <xenol> Dr_willis: rly love u
[11:54] <Dr_willis> oops 'noquiet' not onquiet
[11:54] <xenol> Dr_willis: the prob is
[11:54] <Schuenemann> SlackRat, no sound
[11:54] <xenol> i didnt do grub-update
[11:54] <Dr_willis> nofb disables the framebuffer.. that way you should see some more info
[11:54] <SlackRat> logout, then log back into kde
[11:54] <xenol> and need to shutdown/reboot pc
[11:54] <Schuenemann> ok
[11:54] <SlackRat> or reboot
[11:55] <xenol> Dr_willis: how can i update grub plx?
[11:56] <Dr_willis>   # defoptions= nofb noquiet nosplash   - and rerun updategrub
[11:56] <xenol> Dr_willis: sudo apt-get update grub ?
[11:56] <Dr_willis> or edit the  other lines and change those options
[11:56] <xenol> Dr_willis: i know w here is prob now
[11:56] <Dr_willis> you HAVE grub installed..
[11:56] <xenol> forgot to do grub update after changins settings :(
[11:56] <Dr_willis> if that vga=thing IS the fix/problem - thats realy realy really weird...
[11:56] <SlackRat> you dont update grub, you update lilo
[11:56] <Dr_willis> you got your menu.lst very configured it seems
[11:57] <Dr_willis> depending on how you do 'things' to it - you may or may not need to run update-grub
[11:57] <xenol> Dr_willis: hmm wat u mean? it is good or bad?
[11:57] <Dr_willis> xenol,  someone commented out most of the entrys... was that you?
[11:57] <florent_> bonjour
[11:57] <xenol> Dr_willis: yes
[11:57] <SlackRat> you mean touching grub in its bathing suit areas?
[11:58] <reldruh> hello. I'm about to try building kde on my own for the first time using the Konstruct script and was wondering if it fetches all the dependencies it needs or if that has be done manually prior to running it.
[11:58] <SlackRat> dunno reldruh, never used the Konstruct......
[11:58] <Dr_willis> could change your one entry to read     /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-11-generic root=/dev/hdb3 ro quiet splash vga=791
[11:58] <Dr_willis> and see if that works..
[11:58] <Dr_willis> or perhaps... better
[11:58] <SlackRat> have more trust in apt
[11:58] <Dr_willis> could change your one entry to read     /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-11-generic root=/dev/hdb3 ro quiet nofb nosplash vga=791
[11:59] <reldruh> SlackRat: me neither, and all I find on the devnew page about it is: Some basic libraries and some other libraries enabling additional functionality are not included in "Konstruct", http://www.kde.org/info/requirements/3.5.php lists them.
[11:59] <reldruh> but there's a good 50 packages listed there
[11:59] <jarn> Where are the KDM themes?
[11:59] <SlackRat> i prefer not to build Open Office or KDE if i can help it
[12:00] <Dr_willis> jarn,  theres a few in the repos not installed by default.. or go to kde-look.org and get some
[12:00] <Dr_willis> !kdmtheme
[12:00] <SlackRat> though i suppose i might try dpkg -i kde-*
[12:00] <ubotu> kdmtheme: theme manager for KDM. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.2-1 (edgy), package size 100 kB, installed size 264 kB
[12:00] <Dr_willis> be sure to install the kdmtheme tool also.
[12:00] <jarn> Dr_willis: No, where are they stored on the hard drive.
[12:00] <jarn> Dr_willis: The ones that come with it.
[12:00] <reldruh> SlackRat: I've always been curious what it's like from scratch. I've tried gentoo a few times and it was just a little bit too complicated. I'm going to do a fresh install for feisty, so now's the time to try it
[12:00] <Dr_willis> jarn,  ohh. NOW you clarify :)
[12:01] <Dr_willis> jarn,  try 'locate NameOfATheme' ?
[12:01] <SlackRat> go for it, its not as bad as gentoo cause its not gonna compile everything
[12:01] <SlackRat> that could take days
[12:01] <SlackRat> it just has to install all the core bits in the right order
[12:01] <Dr_willis> im not sure where they get installed to.. fire up the package manager and see where the files  are at in the package.
[12:01] <reldruh> SlackRat: I'm aware :-) I got close enough with gentoo to realize what a mistake that was. I'd like to use this script, but I odn't know if I have to install all these dependencies first
[12:02] <SlackRat> kinda curius to see how the script works myself, for future reference
[12:02] <SlackRat> it should all be in the kde pkg, what you need
[12:02] <reldruh> well if it works well enough to get me back here I'll let you know :-)
[12:02] <SlackRat> cool, heh
[12:02] <xenol> Dr_willis: plz can u gimme  a link i pasted u ? my menu.lst was changed after update-grub
[12:02] <xenol> and it now works
[12:02] <SlackRat> read the docs before hand tho
[12:03] <reldruh> SlackRat: thts' what I'm doing now, but I still have some questions I'm trying to get answered
[12:04] <xenol> SlackRat:  u need somewhere up the link i pasted to dr_willis plz? can u paste it again to me s ince i rebooted and i dont see it *lazy to write menu.lst again* :X thx
[12:05] <SlackRat> how far up?
[12:05] <xenol> hmm just scroll up mayb 50-60 lines
[12:05] <xenol> plz
[12:07] <xenol> SlackRat:  hmm?
[12:07] <SlackRat> k. now what am i doing with it?
[12:07] <xenol> just paste a link
[12:07] <xenol> plz
[12:07] <SlackRat> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6479/
[12:07] <xenol> thx
[12:08] <jose> HOLA
[12:09] <SlackRat> first time i saw the Konstruct pkg install was in Suse, so it shouldnt cause too many problems
[12:10] <SlackRat> and you can always try a dpkg -i install with a wildcard
[12:10] <SlackRat> itll install the whole folder