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[02:36] <bluefoxicy> ah that's much faster now that I've removed evms, mdadm, and lvm2
[02:37] <bluefoxicy> (dm-linear was looping and eating 80% CPU in feisty)
[02:37] <jdong> bluefoxicy: ouch!
[02:39] <bluefoxicy> fuck.
[02:39] <bluefoxicy> I got xenman working, upgraded to feisty, and same problem.
[02:39] <bluefoxicy> XenMan can't find any local host.
[02:40] <bluefoxicy> it doesn't know about local virtual machines
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[02:41] <bluefoxicy> jdong:  fix XenMan :(
[02:41] <jdong> bluefoxicy: you vastly overestimate my skills :D
[02:41] <jdong> bluefoxicy: fix my calc homework
[02:41] <bluefoxicy> jdong:  also yes ouch, I upgraded to Feisty TWICE on my laptop and it did exactly that.
[02:42] <bluefoxicy> jdong:  I am currently failing calc2
[02:42] <jdong> it's somehow not done.
[02:42] <kylem> heh. calculus.
[02:42] <jdong> I went to sleep for 10 hours last night
[02:42] <jdong> and it's still not done.
[02:42] <jdong> I don't know what I'm doing wrong
[02:42] <kylem> jdong, woss the problem?
[02:42] <jdong> should I file a maxima bug that it isn't finishing my homework?
[02:42] <jdong> kylem: ideas for using vectors to prove law of sines?
[02:42] <zul> bluefoxicy: you have to enable unix-port in the xen config to get XenMan to work
[02:43] <jdong> I'm guessing I should use a crossproduct of two legs to find a perpendicular vector
[02:43] <jdong> and then proceed that way
[02:44] <bluefoxicy> zul:  can you give me an exact line
[02:44] <kylem> jdong, it's been a long time, it probably involves summing or subtracting a pair of cross products
[02:44] <bluefoxicy> zul:  this worked before upgrading and I didn't change the config file
[02:44] <zul> not off the top of my head
[02:44] <bluefoxicy> in fact I told dpkg NOT to touch it.
[02:44] <jdong> kylem: yeah looks that way.... i.e. a lot of work :D
[02:44] <bluefoxicy> I have xend-unix-server yes
[02:44] <kylem> jdong, i don't even remember what the sine law is though, *ducks*
[02:44] <bluefoxicy> and that's it
[02:44] <jdong> kylem: 5 problem psets per week... sounded so ridiculously short
[02:45] <bluefoxicy> zul:  I think XenMan is just busted.
[02:45] <jdong> but nope, this ain't the place for easy homework
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[08:52] <balarka> hi
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[11:57] <_dam> can i ask something?
[11:58] <geser> !ask
[11:59] <_dam> what happened today with the alternate(daily) versions at cdimage.ubuntu.com?
[12:00] <_dam> for example, this folder is empty:    http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20070218/
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[12:01] <blizz> hi
[12:01] <blizz> is something going to change about the bcm43xx drivers soon?
[12:02] <blizz> currently the new drivers only accept 4.x firmware, which doesnt work with most broadcom based cards (all apple laptops, lots of nics)
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[12:05] <_dam> ?
[12:10] <blizz> am i supposed to ask questions about the development in post 2.6.20-8 kernels here?
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[12:11] <mdke> blizz: it's not obligatory
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[12:11] <mdke> blizz: if you wish to do so, you can; or in #ubuntu-kernel
[12:11] <blizz> ahh, thats better i think
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[12:12] <blizz> thanks, ill ask there :)
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[01:22] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: test message received :)
[01:23] <Hobbsee> Treenaks: :P
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[02:28] <adam0509> hi, is there any plans to get a soft painting program in ubuntu ?
[02:29] <adam0509> gimp is too hard for beginners, even for me...
[02:29] <adam0509> under Winsucks I use "PhotoFiltre" but's not free
[02:31] <bhale> adam0509: what exactly do you want to do?
[02:31] <bhale> adam0509: f-spot is a photo manager included in ubuntu-desktop that lets you do (non-destructive) basic photo editing, color adjustment, red eye removal, crop
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[02:32] <adam0509> I'm not talking about photo-editors, but photo-creator
[02:32] <adam0509> If you wanna crop a file, add some text, resize picture, you can't do it with f-spot
[02:33] <adam0509> bhale, 
[02:33] <bhale> you absolutely can crop a file
[02:33] <bhale> but yes, it doesnt do anything outside the scope of "touching up"
[02:33] <adam0509> yes but you can't create a new file from nothing...
[02:34] <bhale> ok didnt mean to offend, you mentioned something called photofiltre
[02:34] <adam0509> I just love PhotoFiltre, it's the best, but it only works with wine...
[02:35] <adam0509> The Author would like help to do a Linux version but don't want the sources to be released
[02:36] <adam0509> or maybe a complete work could be done on "gpaint"
[02:37] <adam0509> bhale, 
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[04:00] <angasule> I'm using Edgy and I got OpenAL to work with surround sound, it's a simple thing but I believe there is no program to do it in *buntu and no article in the wiki
[04:00] <angasule> OpenAL = 3D positional sound, btw, used in games (and probably some apps)
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[04:08] <angasule> http://pastebin.com/883654  <-- this is what fixed OpenAL output for surround sound for me (of course, alsa must see all the speakers first)
[04:10] <tsmithe> angasule, create an article in the wiki?
[04:10] <Treenaks> tsmithe: no, file a bug on openal -- it should figure it out by itself :)
[04:10] <Treenaks> or some gui somewhere
[04:10] <Treenaks> (if the user says they have 5.1 speakers, USE THEM ;))
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[04:10] <angasule> Treenaks: from what I've seen about OpenAL, it's somewhat of a zombie
[04:11] <angasule> Treenaks: I believe currently, the user has to configure surround in every single app
[04:11] <Treenaks> angasule: still. we have a bit of GUI that configures which alsa card is primary
[04:11] <angasule> Treenaks: even alsa doesn't quite work (volumes are set up wrong)
[04:11] <_ion> Cool, Google knows bzr is an abbreviation of bazaar-ng.
[04:11] <Treenaks> angasule: it might be nice to have it do things like this as well
=== Treenaks wants to know when the next dev meeting is.. this sounsd like perfect spec material ;)
[04:12] <angasule> Treenaks: you mean a settings that sets up 5.1 everywhere? that'd be nice
[04:12] <angasule> btw, there are many surround settings
[04:13] <angasule> OpenAL only seems to work with 4 speakers (it's extremely neglected on linux)
[04:13] <Treenaks> angasule: you select 'I have 5.1 speakers' and it writes an openal config, sets the proper alsa mixer channels to sane volume levels, etc.
[04:13] <angasule> 4.0, 5.1, 7.1, whatever
[04:13] <angasule> Treenaks: that sounds great :)
[04:13] <Treenaks> I think it's even possible to detect which options are supported by your sound card...
[04:14] <angasule> Treenaks: I don't think it can be *automatically* done, though
[04:14] <angasule> the problem is, one may have a 5.1 capable card, but only use headphones (2 speakers), or 4 speakers
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[04:15] <angasule> and I don't know if the card tells the computer which plugs are in use
[04:15] <Treenaks> angasule: sure.. but if your soundcard supports 5.1 but not 7.1, it should show an option for 5.1, and not 7.1
[04:15] <angasule> yeap, of course
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[04:16] <angasule> Treenaks: I think that can be done by asking alsa how many channels are available?
[04:16] <Treenaks> angasule: something like that
[04:17] <Treenaks> sabdfl: Do you have any idea when/where the next dev conference will be? (or when it'll be announced :)
[04:17] <angasule> so, need help with this little thing? sounds like a small project I could help with :D
[04:17] <Treenaks> angasule: let's wiki up a spec ;)
[04:17] <Treenaks> or launchpad.. 
[04:18] <shawarma> Treenaks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Sevilla
[04:19] <angasule> any chance you'll be going to debconf?
[04:19] <angasule> I'm definitely going to debconf for one simple reason: it's about 500km from me :)
[04:19] <Treenaks> shawarma: ooh! Sevilla
[04:20] <angasule> el que se fue de Sevilla perdio su silla jej
[04:21] <shawarma> I hope he found it again.
[04:21] <shawarma> :-/
[04:22] <sabdfl> seville, andalucia (spain), early may
[04:22] <sabdfl> then boston, USA, in november
[04:22] <sabdfl> i think there was a mail to u-announce recently with details
[04:22] <sabdfl> Treenaks: 
[04:22] <sabdfl> ^^^
[04:23] <angasule> hahaha shawarma, that's a phrase one says when one sits in someone else's chair
[04:24] <angasule> it usually ends in a fist fight
[04:24] <Treenaks> sabdfl: thanks :)
[04:25] <shawarma> angasule: Oh, that makes a bit more sense. :-)
[04:30] <zul__> why not montreal again? ;)
[04:31] <Treenaks> zul__: montreal rocked :)
[04:31] <shawarma> I think it's good to have every other conference on this side of the big pond.
[04:31] <Treenaks> zul__: but so did Barcelona :)
[04:31] <zul__> Treenaks: and its a 2 hour drive from me
[04:32] <Seveas> sabdfl, does 23:00 UTC on nov. 26 suit your schedule for a CC meeting?
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[04:41] <shawarma> sabdfl: I can't help but notice that there's no sponsorship subpage on the UDS-Sevilla page on the Wiki. Will there not be any sponsoring this time or has the page just not been created yet?
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[06:20] <robertj_> will gtk input methods ultimately be succeeded by uim?
[06:23] <cjwatson> Riddell: the underlying bit of the partman interface flow is literally a toggle switch - you select that option in the choose_partition select question, and it toggles the value of format
[06:23] <cjwatson> Riddell: so you need to invoke edit_partition(format=whatever) strictly when the value is toggled
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[07:05] <jharr> where do I report apic problems?
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[07:09] <zul> jharr: launchpad.net
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[08:11] <sabdfl> Seveas: seriously, november?
[08:11] <sabdfl> shawarma: there will be sponsorships, but we're nominating internally rather than inviting applications
[08:12] <Seveas> sabdfl, I meant february of course, don't know what I was thinking there
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[08:23] <sabdfl> Seveas: can do
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[08:29] <Seveas> sabdfl, ok, then I'll announce the meeting
[08:37] <ajmitch> morning
[08:38] <_ion> Evening.
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[09:03] <sladen> angasule: could you write up your experiences with OpenAL on a wiki-page if it's not something that works out of the box
[09:04] <sladen> sometimes it's possible to get "jack sense" from the card when something is inserted, but not always
[09:04] <angasule> I'll add it to this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SurroundSound
[09:05] <angasule> and with Treenaks we're working on this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SurroundSupportSpec
[09:05] <angasule> OpenAL on linux is nearly dead, btw
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[09:06] <hardaway> any idea when Xorg 7.2 will be in repos
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[09:11] <geser> hardaway: afaik it's on the way, the first packages are already there. I'd expect the remaining packages to follow soon
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[09:20] <hardaway> thank you
[09:29] <angasule> sladen: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/SurroundSound  <-- I added some tips, not much, but at least it worked for me...
[09:34] <Treenaks> sladen: ubucon?
[09:34] <Treenaks> sladen: (re: wiki edit :)
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[11:06] <sladen> Treenaks: there's several contigious events
[11:08] <Treenaks> sladen: ah
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[11:22] <crimsun> angasule: thanks for the entries. Note however that many codecs require custom routing (ttables); you may wish to add a note about directing users to #alsa, where a few of us get those sorted out.
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[11:33] <angasule> crimsun: done :)
[11:34] <angasule> autoreconf is old/deprecated?
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