[12:54] <Hobbsee> \sh_away: did you see that you've got comments on your REVU pages?
[12:54] <ajmitch> hi Hobbsee 
[12:54] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch 
[12:54] <Hobbsee> oh, it's been changed since then
[01:00] <Hobbsee> shawarma: poke
[01:00] <Hobbsee> oh, it's shawarma, not \sh_away 
[01:03] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:04] <Hobbsee> heya bddebian!
[01:04] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[01:05] <ajmitch> hi bddebian 
[01:05] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[01:06] <bddebian> I hate upstream authors some times
[01:14] <shawarma> Hobbsee: Er... Huh?
[01:14] <LaserJock> evening MOTU
[01:15] <shawarma> bddebian: Hey! Could you take another peek at my network-manager packages? I've changed the maintainer (and nothing else), so it should be a quick review.
[01:15] <bddebian> shawarma: Hobbsee and I already have ;-)
[01:15] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[01:15] <shawarma> bddebian: So you have. Sorry.
[01:15] <bddebian> NP :)
[01:16] <Hobbsee> shawarma: see the typo alert :)
[01:16] <bddebian> Did you not get what Hobbsee wrote/
[01:16] <bddebian> ?
[01:16] <coNP> How is it possible to commit a bugfix to a Ubuntu package that has a maintainer with no @ubuntu.com address?
[01:16] <Hobbsee> the maintainer address in debian/control needs to be a ubuntu address - not the changelog one
[01:17] <coNP> Hobbsee: okay, I know
[01:17] <LaserJock> and I'm not sure if that will even cause a problem or if it's just a warning
[01:17] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: it ftbfs, apparently
[01:17] <coNP> But it is not, and it is a *ubuntu* package
[01:17] <coNP> it says: "debuild: fatal error at line 1228:"
[01:17] <coNP> and exits, of course
[01:17] <LaserJock> really? that sucks :(
[01:18] <LaserJock> ah well, I guess it'll make us fix it :/
[01:18] <coNP> I allready feisty that might be a problem
[01:18] <shawarma> bddebian: I was just a bit confused by the sh_away/shawarma confusion. :-)
[01:19] <bddebian> Ah :-)
[01:20] <Fujitsu> coNP, as long as a package has XubuntuY, it won't let you build without @ubuntu.com in the Maintainer field... Isn't this new policy great?
[01:20] <Hobbsee> shawarma: yes, so was i :P
[01:20] <coNP> Fujitsu: it is, however what to do with "legacy" packges?
[01:20] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: but that's the point
[01:21] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, I would have thought that you would be able to opt out, at least.
[01:21] <LaserJock> the whole point is that Ubuntu packages should have ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com or ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com
[01:21] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: ie, ftbfs on a XubuntuY version, with a *@debian.org email address - not ftbfs on anything that's not a *@ubuntu.com address
[01:21] <coNP> actually this suffix is neither debian.org nor ubuntu.com
[01:22] <LaserJock> well, the spec is to move away from actual people listed as Maintainer
[01:22] <LaserJock> so it shouldn't really even have @ubuntu.com addresses
[01:22] <LaserJock> to reflect that we team maintain packages
[01:23] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: But a number of packages are maintained by certain people.
[01:23] <LaserJock> but they aren't technically
[01:23] <Fujitsu> In reality they are, though.
[01:23] <LaserJock> we have no NMU
[01:24] <LaserJock> any MOTU can upload any package in Universe
[01:24] <LaserJock> and core-dev can upload any package in Main and Universe
[01:24] <Fujitsu> It's not a matter of whether they can. It's whether they do.
[01:24] <Fujitsu> There are some packages for which it is a given that only one or two people touch them.
[01:25] <bddebian> somerville32: ping (catfish)
[01:25] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: sure, but there is no Policy to govern that
[01:25] <LaserJock> so a person should look at the changelog rather than Maintainer:
[01:26] <shawarma> bddebian, Hobbsee: Fresh version of the nm packages are uploaded the typo fixed. 
[01:27] <Hobbsee> shawarma: nice
[01:27] <Fujitsu> shawarma, do you need someone to look at them? I use both a bit.
[01:27] <Hobbsee> bddebian: can you ack, upload them please?
[01:27] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: if you like
[01:28] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: bddebian's pretty much done the second ack
[01:28] <shawarma> I can also just upload them myself..
[01:29] <bddebian> shawarma: I would just upload them both at this point
[01:29] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: Debian wants us to remove them from Maintainer: , the only way for us to replace that since we have team maintainership is to set MOTU or core-dev as maintainer
[01:29] <shawarma> Fujitsu: bddebian has checked it numerous times. For now I actually just want to get them in before FF.
[01:29] <shawarma> bddebian: Excellent. Will do.
[01:29] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: if somebody wants to be known as the Ubuntu maintainer they can put in a @ubuntu.com address
[01:31] <shawarma> bddebian, Hobbsee: Yay! Uploaded. Thanks a lot!
[01:31] <Hobbsee> shawarma: :D
[01:31] <zul> there...xen updated
[01:32] <bddebian> shawarma: No, thank YOU :-)
[01:33] <bddebian> Gawd reviews sucks wit this stupid maintainer thing :-(
[01:34] <shawarma> Right, I'm off to bed. G'night guys.
[01:34] <Hobbsee> night shawarma 
[01:34] <LaserJock> cy shawarma
[01:35] <bddebian> Gnight shawarma
[01:49] <LaserJock> grrr, what the heck is it doing/
[01:49] <LaserJock> *?
[01:51] <somerville32> bddebian, pong
[01:51] <Fujitsu> What is it doing?
[01:51] <bddebian> somerville32: Did catfish get rejected?
[01:51] <somerville32> I'm not a motu
[01:51] <somerville32> I can't upload
[01:52] <bddebian> Jereme said he already uploaded it.  Did it never get uploaded?
[01:52] <somerville32> He said it in here or on the comments?
[01:52] <bddebian> On the comments
[01:53] <bddebian> But I don't see it in the new queue
[01:53] <somerville32> That got uploaded a long time ago
[01:53] <somerville32> This is a new version
[01:53] <bddebian> Ohh, OK
[01:57] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: adept_update was complainging about some debconf niceness and said to change it but gave no option to do so
[01:57] <LaserJock> so it ended up not installing anything
[01:58] <LaserJock> apt-get dist-upgrade FTW
[02:06] <LaserJock> imbrandon!!!!!
[02:06] <LaserJock> seriously uncool
[02:06] <LaserJock> it did it again
[02:06] <LaserJock> and it took 2 reboots to get it back to life
[02:07] <LaserJock> I suspect KDE is overheating my machine or something
[02:08] <imbrandon> hum
[02:09] <jdong> wow... the basement of the library is REALLY peaceful....
[02:09] <jdong> guys, in about 20-30min kick me out, please :)
[02:09] <jdong> staying here too long probably isn't healthy :)
[02:09] <LaserJock> the library?
[02:09] <LaserJock> I love libraries
[02:10] <LaserJock> cool
[02:11] <jdong> I don't see why people whine about LaTeX so much... so far I've found it less cumbersome than a WYSIWYG editor
[02:11] <LaserJock> it depends
[02:11] <jdong> maybe I'm just not deep enough into it
[02:11] <LaserJock> I once did a 4ft x 5ft poster entirely in LaTeX
[02:12] <jdong> for typing up EECS homework... LaTeX wins
[02:12] <LaserJock> took me about a month
[02:12] <jdong> going in and out of monospace codeblocks in OOo ain't no walk in the park :D
[02:12] <LaserJock> but it was beautiful
[02:12] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Dad once did an A0 one. Cost some AUD200 to print.
[02:12] <jdong> LaserJock: sounds like fun :D
[02:12] <Fujitsu> jdong: Plus, OOo is a bloated POS.
[02:13] <LaserJock> these days I use PowerPoint for posters though
[02:13] <LaserJock> it's faster and cheaper
[02:13] <jdong> interesting
[02:13] <imbrandon> koffice ftw
[02:14] <jdong> imbrandon: lol :)
[02:14] <LaserJock> koffice seems quite good
[02:14] <LaserJock> but even openoffice doesn't have good enough compatibility for me
[02:15] <imbrandon> you mean MS office doesnt have good enough compat with the other two major players?
[02:15] <imbrandon> heh
[02:15] <imbrandon> spin, got to love it
[02:16] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: btw, changing components.Interface to Interface in twisted-web2's iweb.py lets zope3 start
[02:16] <imbrandon> its like the diffrence from when MS says "... make sure your laptop is ready for Vista ..." vs " .. is linux ready for your laptop ... " its all about word smithing
[02:16] <jdong> lol
[02:16] <LaserJock> imbrandon: it's true, but as long as MS Office is on all the computers I have to present on there isn't a ton I can do
[02:16] <imbrandon> MS isnt a software company , its a marketing company that markets software
[02:17] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: seems that it can make do with zope.interface
[02:17] <imbrandon> LaserJock, true
[02:18] <LaserJock> it's really been sad to see my advisor's computer usage over the years
[02:19] <LaserJock> when I first started working for him he was a die-hard Linux user
[02:19] <LaserJock> wouldn't touch MS
[02:19] <LaserJock> installed OpenOffice on all the dept's lab computer
[02:20] <jdong> imbrandon: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/node/2075 << that's a joke, right?
[02:20] <jdong> the more I read it the more I get the feeling the author was serious
[02:20] <LaserJock> now he's all OS X and MS Office
[02:20] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, nice... I'll look at later and try to use it a lot to break it.
[02:21] <bddebian> jdong: He sure sounds serious, even if crackful
[02:21] <imbrandon> hahah no idea, some people are just dense and view "slave" as a bad word when it has a real meaning
[02:21] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: yeah, I've just tried starting it - there are a bunch of other changes in SVN, it's hard to pick out only the ones that are needed
[02:22] <imbrandon> that would be like changing ide drives from master-->slave
[02:22] <jdong> imbrandon: that was up for discussion
[02:22] <imbrandon> people need to get over it, it has no racial conotaions
[02:22] <jdong> imbrandon: in San Fran IIRC
[02:22] <bddebian> That sounds about right
[02:22] <jdong> imbrandon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master-slave_%28computers%29#Controversy
[02:23] <jdong> sad but true
[02:23] <imbrandon> jdong, maybe by one company, but thousands of compansy in many countries use those terms 
[02:23] <imbrandon> it would be inpratical to change
[02:23] <jdong> no kidding :)
[02:23] <imbrandon> and it figures it was on the left coast
[02:23] <imbrandon> anyhow, bbiab
[02:23] <jdong> I find it amusing to find people complaining about that
[02:23] <LaserJock> well, at some level it does make sense
[02:24] <jdong> and also , a Christian group objected to *nix being taught in some school district
[02:24] <jdong> due to the use of 'daemons'
[02:24] <imbrandon> i dont i find it sick that in todays world people look for something to complain racialy about when its way offbase
[02:24] <ajmitch> jdong: idiocy
[02:24] <jdong> ajmitch: was that directed at me or the article? :D
[02:24] <jdong> ajmitch: either one would be correct :D
[02:24] <ajmitch> heh
[02:25] <LaserJock> people ask Ichthux and Ubuntu CE if they've replaced all daemons
[02:25] <jdong> lol
[02:25] <LaserJock> I think it's a bit entertaining, but whatever
[02:25] <imbrandon> as long as there is a human race SOMEONE will complain about something, you have to choose your battles and these people obviously have no clue 
[02:25] <jdong>  /etc/cron.daily/50-exorcise-daemons.....
[02:26] <jdong> LaserJock: IMO it's funny when people do it as satire, really concerning when people seem serious
[02:26] <LaserJock> well, if it was actually spelled demons I could see it
[02:26] <jdong> LaserJock: daemon/demon are interchangeable
[02:26] <imbrandon> im gonna make a distro thats call "redhead step-child"
[02:26] <jdong> isn't that kubuntu?
[02:26] <bddebian> hehe
[02:26] <jdong> oops
[02:26] <LaserJock> lol
[02:26] <jdong> LOL
[02:26] <imbrandon> thats edubuntu
[02:27] <LaserJock> ouch!!
[02:27] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:28] <imbrandon> {,k}ubuntu satanic edition .... http://parker1.co.uk/satanic/
[02:28] <imbrandon> :)
[02:28] <LaserJock> Edubuntu rocks so just leave it alone :p
[02:30] <jdong> anybody getting a Cannot Unmount volume: Can't remove directory error?
[02:30] <jdong> when unmount stuff?
[02:30] <jdong> (GNOME)
[02:30] <LaserJock> I haven't
[02:31] <jdong> aha bug 85424
[02:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85424 in gnome-mount "Unmount fails every time " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85424
[02:31] <jdong> what's the etiquette with Confirmed?
[02:32] <jdong> should developers set that or can I set it if I'm reasonably confident of a confirmation?
[02:32] <LaserJock> I think you can
[02:32] <crimsun> if you've experienced the precise symptoms, set it.
[02:32] <LaserJock> you might have to be in ubuntu-qa
[02:32] <LaserJock> I can't remember
[02:32] <jdong> crimsun: ok, there's in total like 8 people reporting identical symptoms
[02:34] <crimsun> I have not been able to reproduce those symptoms either from a dist-upgrade (from Breezy) or on a fresh daily.
[02:35] <jdong> crimsun: do you have an iPod?
[02:35] <crimsun> e.g., not reproducible on three different iPod models
[02:35] <jdong> hmm
[02:35] <jdong> interesting
[02:35] <jdong> it happens on my system.. dist-upgraded from edgy....
[02:35] <crimsun> nor is it reproducible on six different other usb mass storage devices.
[02:35] <crimsun> in other words, you all just suck.
[02:36] <jdong> LOL
[02:36] <crimsun> ;)
[02:37] <jdong> crimsun: when do you think tickless will happen?
[02:37] <crimsun> err, best ask Ben/Matthew ...
[02:37] <jdong> ok
[02:37] <crimsun> at this stage, it's fairly unlikely for Feisty
[02:38] <jdong> right, I realize that :)
[02:38] <jdong> and speaking of that, is it likely that ext4dev would be enabled?
[02:38] <crimsun> (see above)
[02:38] <crimsun> I'm a measley community contact for a tiny kernel subsystem
[02:39] <jdong> crimsun: since when was ALSA small?
[02:39] <crimsun> I take the inverse of its bug count
[02:39] <jdong> lol
[02:39] <ajmitch> hello crimsun 
[02:39] <crimsun> hello ajmitch 
[02:44] <paulproteus> I'm a Debian maintainer and I'd like my Debian package to be merged into Ubuntu for the Feisty release.
[02:45] <paulproteus> This is about the alpine package; I talked to some people around here a week or so ago, and I wanted to make sure I didn't miss a deadline for a freeze.
[02:45] <paulproteus> I also am not sure where to find the freeze timeline.
[02:45] <crimsun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[02:45] <paulproteus> Sweet, thanks!
[02:46] <jdong> paulproteus: probably not too sweet ;-)
[02:46] <jdong> I think it's already age of the UVF Exception Requests?
[02:46] <Fujitsu> jdong, 4 days until the new package deadline.
[02:46] <jdong> ah, ok
[02:47] <Fujitsu> UVF was a little while ago, but that's just new upstream versions, not whole new packages.
[02:47] <jdong> ah, ok
[02:47] <jdong> I thought new packages would've gone under the same category
[02:47] <Fujitsu> Oddly enough, no.
[02:48] <jdong> well I guess it kinda makes sense
[02:48] <Fujitsu> It's probably because there's less chance of a regression.
[02:48] <jdong> right
[02:48] <Fujitsu> It can't break worse than not existing.
[02:48] <jdong> since it didn't exist before
[02:48] <paulproteus> Hah. (-:
[02:48] <jdong> Fujitsu: you have no idea how many backports tickets I've supported with that logic!
[02:48] <Fujitsu> Hehe.
[02:49] <Hobbsee> paulproteus: which package?
[02:49] <jdong> Hobbsee: alpine I think he said
[02:49] <Hobbsee> ah, missed that bit
[02:49] <jdong> Hobbsee: attentively read scrollback you must :)
[02:50] <crimsun> (just file a sync request for it, sub ubuntu-universe-sponsors, then move along)
[02:50] <paulproteus> It hasn't been built by the autobuilders yet, so it's not on packages.debian.org, but it's in the process of that right now.
[02:50] <keescook> hiya paulproteus 
[02:50] <paulproteus> Hah!  Hi keescook. (-:
[02:50] <Fujitsu> paulproteus, has it passed through NEW?
[02:50] <zul> ls
[02:51] <crimsun> Permission denied.
[02:51] <paulproteus> Fujitsu, Months ago; this is just a new version of a package I put in Debian a few months back.
[02:51] <jdong> Password:
[02:51] <bddebian> crimsun: hehe
[02:51] <paulproteus> "File a sync request" you say, crimsun?
[02:51] <crimsun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[02:51] <paulproteus> crimsun, Thanks, I appreciate the patience. (-:
[02:52] <jdong> aack that's 3La^2 not 31a^2
[02:52] <jdong> pffft
[02:53] <LaserJock> :(
[02:53] <paulproteus> In what package do I file sync requests?
[02:54] <paulproteus> Against what package, that is; I'm at Launchpad now.
[02:54] <crimsun> leave it blank.
[02:54] <jdong> crimsun: lol someone say flashplugin? :D
[02:54] <crimsun> (the source package isn't in Ubuntu yet)
[02:54] <paulproteus> Thanks. (-:
[02:57] <jdong> anyone else feel latex leaves a mess in one's workspace?
[02:57] <jdong> all these intermediate files...
[02:58] <LaserJock> well, it can be messy
[02:58] <LaserJock> but it can also be helpful
[02:58] <jdong> LaserJock: helpful? all these log and aux and whatnot files?
[02:58] <LaserJock> yeah, bibliographic material, etc. gets used in there
[02:58] <jdong> vim couldn't be more annoying if it created 5 extra randomly-named backups!
[02:59] <jdong> LaserJock: ah , ok I see...
[02:59] <LaserJock> not all of it is just useless junk ;-)
[02:59] <jdong> lol that's news to me
[03:00] <jdong> baw I broke latex :(
[03:00] <jdong> wait no, wrong terminal
[03:01] <jdong> oh dear paulproteus please don't start the latex innuendos :D
[03:01] <Mez> jdong, you broke latex? you should go get the morning after pill
[03:01] <jdong> MEZ!!!!
[03:01] <Mez> jdong, yes?
[03:01] <jdong> Mez: I love you.
[03:01] <Mez> jdong, why ?
[03:01] <jdong> Mez: that was sarcastic.
[03:02] <jdong> I don't really like you. I was just saying that for comedic effect
[03:02] <jdong> ;-)
[03:02] <paulproteus> jdong, Those didn't even occur to me, though I see others here are more creative than I. (-;
[03:03] <jdong> paulproteus: it's not creativity... I get it from everyone in CSAI lab that I asked a latex question to
[03:03] <jdong> paulproteus: it was amusing the first once or twice... but 3 hours later.... not so much
[03:03] <paulproteus> Duly noted, jdong. (-:
[03:03] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: banning which people?
[03:03] <Mez> ajmitch, who, me or jdong?
[03:04] <jdong> Mez: probably all of us :D
[03:04] <ajmitch> Mez: both
[03:04] <ajmitch> hey bmonty 
[03:04] <Fujitsu> Let's ban the whole channel!
[03:04] <ajmitch> aw
[03:04] <Fujitsu> ... quick visit.
[03:04] <LaserJock> oh please do ban the whole channel
[03:04] <Fujitsu> And he left #ubuntu-devel a few seconds later.
[03:05] <ajmitch> probably because of you wanting to ban him :)
[03:05] <LaserJock> jdong: wheren't we supposed to kick you out?
[03:05] <jdong> LaserJock: never! being in a basment rocks!
[03:05] <ajmitch> actually yes
[03:05] <jdong> LaserJock: especially one that has wifi!
[03:05] <zul> heh...i suggest a wordban
[03:06] <jdong> like prevu, backports, reiser4.....
[03:06] <zul> ubuntuforums
[03:06] <ajmitch> I don't think he'll care
[03:07] <ajmitch> bmonty: stay this time, k?
[03:07] <bmonty> sure :)
[03:07] <bmonty> sorry about that
[03:07] <bmonty> hows it going?
[03:07] <ajmitch> good to see you, how's it going?
[03:07] <ajmitch> heh, alright :)
[03:07] <crimsun> heya bmonty 
[03:07] <Fujitsu> Hi bmonty.
[03:07] <bmonty> hi crimsun
[03:07] <jdong> whoa! it's Kano!
[03:07] <nox-> moin
[03:07] <jdong> Mez: lol
[03:07] <Fujitsu> Mez: They're everywhere.
[03:07] <Mez> it was like 
[03:08] <Fujitsu> What a great slogan it is, too.
[03:08] <Mez> "WOW starts here..."
[03:08] <Kano> hi
[03:08] <Mez> Fujitsu, my lug has plans to subvertise those adverts
[03:08] <bmonty> ajmitch: things are good...you?
[03:08] <Kano> did someone try to change to a dir with a "_" and mc?
[03:08] <LaserJock> bmonty!!!!
[03:09] <ajmitch> bmonty: doing alright here
[03:09] <bmonty> hi LaserJock
[03:09] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I blinked a couple of time, too
[03:09] <LaserJock> bmonty: how's Gabe and the rest of the family?
[03:10] <bmonty> LaserJock: Gabe is doing well....walking around now.  We have another one on the way now too :)
[03:10] <LaserJock> bmonty: congrats!
[03:10] <bmonty> thanks :)
[03:10] <crimsun> Kano: what's the issue?
[03:10] <ajmitch> bmonty: congrats :)
[03:11] <ajmitch> seems like half the people round here are married with kids..
[03:11] <bmonty> :)
[03:11] <bddebian> w00t bmonty.  Now you can suffer like me! :)
[03:12] <bmonty> heh...hi bddebian
[03:12] <nox-> crimsun, says Warning: Cannot change to <dir>.
[03:12] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: so when will you become one of them?
[03:12] <nox-> and tarring up the dir via mc fails too
[03:12] <crimsun> nox-: got an strace -fF?
[03:13] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: oh I might get married in a couple of weeks, got nothing better to do :P
[03:13] <nox-> it works when run via strace... :-O
[03:13] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: do you know if konqi works with mozilla plugins?
[03:14] <LaserJock> or rather if mozilla plugins work in konqi
[03:14] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: it may.  i think it does, actually
[03:15] <nox-> Kano told me about it, and i was able to reproduce it using the feisty-desktop-i386.iso in qemu
[03:16] <nox-> it also works when starting mc with SHELL=dash
[03:20] <LaserJock> lol, I've got more KDE apps than Gnome apps open right now
[03:20] <LaserJock> although I've only got 4 things so that's not saying much I suppose
[03:22] <crimsun> Kano: / nox-: I'm looking at https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?18136  ( -> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153925 )
[03:22] <Ubugtu> bugs.gentoo.org bug 153925 in Applications "app-misc/mc wont work with new bash-3.2 propeply with all directories" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  
[03:23] <Kano> fixed?
[03:23] <nox-> aah
[03:23] <nox-> yeah that seems to be this bug
[03:24] <Kano> does not really be fixed in universe
[03:24] <nox-> so bash needs to be updated?
[03:24] <crimsun> mc.
[03:24] <nox-> i c
[03:38] <crimsun>   mc_4.6.1-6ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[03:38] <crimsun> Successfully uploaded packages.
[03:38] <crimsun> Kano: / nox-: thanks.
[03:38] <nox-> yw
[03:38] <Kano> crimsun, fine
[03:38] <Kano> i really started to hate ubuntu because of not working mc ;)
[03:39] <Kano> now i can use it again
[03:39] <Kano> just compiled my own version with that patch,worked too
[03:50] <Kano> bye
[03:51] <crimsun> paulproteus: ACKed.
[03:52] <crimsun> please remember that in the future, you need to include the Debian component and the Debian changelog entries.
[03:54] <paulproteus> crimsun, ls
[03:54] <paulproteus> Gah, sorry.
[03:55] <paulproteus> crimsun, Thanks.
[03:55] <paulproteus> crimsun, Also, were you involved in #debian-kde like four years ago?
[03:55] <crimsun> something like that.
[03:56] <paulproteus> Well, rehi then. (-:
[03:56] <crimsun> w/ kosh, roey, etc.
[03:56] <crimsun> re
[03:57] <paulproteus> I remember Roey; I think I saw him around recently.
[04:12] <LaserJock> yikes, I was getting close to a full hard drive on my laptop :/
[04:14] <pochu> hey, do you know what's the way to log the terminal output into a file?
[04:14] <crimsun> what do you wanted logged, stdout? stderr? both?
[04:15] <crimsun> foo -flags >file.txt 2>&1
[04:15] <pochu> crimsun: thanks!
[04:15] <jdong> or foo &>file.txt
[04:16] <jdong> if you're a bash user
[04:16] <jdong> faster to write :)
[04:16] <pochu> :)
[04:19] <pochu> and to have it logged but also show the output in the terminal? with that, it just logs it, but I can't see what's happening :)
[04:19] <pochu> I want it for a dpkg-buildpackage :)
[04:20] <crimsun> then add tee(1) into the mix
[04:21] <pochu> mix?
[04:21] <nox-> or use script(1)
[04:22] <crimsun> e.g., foo -flags |tee shite
[04:22] <pochu> crimsun: ok, thanks!
[04:27] <pochu> mmm... what's an install log? the output of "dpkg -i"? :)
[04:28] <crimsun> essentially.
[04:28] <pochu> hehe, ok!
[04:28] <pochu> ty
[04:31] <TheMuso>  /c
[04:31] <TheMuso> bah
[04:52] <nox-> gnite
[04:57] <RAOF> Hm.  What's the etiquette for fixing someone else's package on REVU?
[04:58] <elkbuntu> depends who you ask
[04:58] <RAOF> So, say that I ask you :)
[04:58] <elkbuntu> then i'd have no clue, but if in the situation i'd at least try contacting the packager
[04:58] <RAOF> I've fired off an email to the original packager, saying that I'd like to help him get the package ready.
[04:59] <elkbuntu> how long ago?
[04:59] <RAOF> 3 days. 
[05:00] <elkbuntu> factor in the weekend effect. and ask the next person to show signs of life. im not even a packager ;)
[05:00] <RAOF> :)
[05:00] <bddebian> RAOF: Which package?
[05:00] <RAOF> gnome-compiz-manager :)
[05:00] <RAOF> You've recently reviewed it :)
[05:01] <bddebian> Ah
[05:01] <crimsun> you could just link to your debdiff
[05:01] <crimsun> (against the latest source package on revu)
[05:01] <RAOF> How?  I'm not a MOTU, so I can only comment on my uploads.
[05:02] <RAOF> I suppose I could send the debdiff to one of you fine MOTUs :)
[05:02] <LaserJock> there really needs to be more coordination around beryl packaging
[05:03] <LaserJock> aren't there like at least 3-4 people working on it?
[05:03] <crimsun> hopefully they've all integrated the changes from the comments made by Debian's ftpmasters
[05:06] <pochu> night everybody!
[05:06] <crimsun> Fujitsu: quodlibet may help
[05:06] <Fujitsu> crimsun, thanks.
[05:21] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: fix bzr, kthnksbye!
[05:22] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: what's wrong with it?
[05:23] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: it's too darned slow
[05:24] <Fujitsu> Can I have some opinions as to what to do with upstreamdev? The Debian maintainer basically packaged the first version 3 months ago, and hasn't been contactable in a bit over 2 months. Since then, 2 versions have been released. 0.3 uses an entirely different build system (distutils-based). Is it appropriate in such a case to switch from an ugly debhelper-based debian/rules?
[05:24] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, I agree.
[05:27] <RAOF> So, I've got a debdiff to fix the problems you found in gnome-compiz-manager, bddebian.  Linked http://www.raof.dyndns.org/gnome-compiz-manager.debdiff
[08:35] <crimsun> Fujitsu: if you feel the benefits for maintainability outweigh the cost of carrying a delta, then yes.
[08:36] <Fujitsu> crimsun: The delta would be greater if I were to retain the debhelperness, as it would need to be literally entirely rewritten.
[08:37] <crimsun> seems like a fairly straightforward decision, then
[08:51] <imbrandon> hum 
[08:51] <imbrandon> i love when people make a server with a 1GB /
[08:52] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, that sounds a bit big.
[08:53] <imbrandon> just a tad *rolls eyes*
[08:53] <imbrandon> esp when /var isnt seperate
[08:53] <imbrandon> man i'm gonna just fskin reimage this thing
[08:53] <imbrandon> ho hum
[08:54] <Fujitsu> Oh, /var not seperate.
[08:54] <Fujitsu> I normally have <= 1GiB, but with seperate stuff.
[08:56] <imbrandon> yea only /home and /opt are seperate on this box
[08:56] <imbrandon> who ever installed it is an idiot looks like
[08:56] <imbrandon> would have been better off makin one big /
[08:59] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[08:59] <Fujitsu> That's crazy!
[09:12] <imbrandon> doh
[09:12] <imbrandon> my blog post errored, took me 2 hours to write it ...... /me cries
[09:13] <imbrandon> guess i'll just make a shorter post ....
[09:13] <crimsun> silly users and their blogs.
[09:15] <imbrandon> heh
[09:15] <crimsun> ;)
[09:15] <crimsun> even Andrew has a blog configured, though I don't know if it's active yet
[09:16] <imbrandon> well i tried to wrap up a quote from jdub, vista thoughts, gnome/kde/linus ramblings , buildd farm announcement and update and ummm some other misc stuff all in one post
[09:16] <imbrandon> because i've been blog slacking 
[09:16] <imbrandon> ohhhh he does ? nice
[09:17] <imbrandon> ohh and some jokosher on win32 info
[09:17] <imbrandon> gah, yea i really should make seperate posts
[09:21] <imbrandon> when do we see a crimsun blog?
[09:21] <imbrandon> :)
[09:24] <crimsun> I hate blogs.
[09:25] <crimsun> besides, I have lp.net/~
[09:31] <imbrandon> hehe yea
[09:32] <Amaranth> there is a reason the blog program i use is called 'drivel' ;)
[09:38] <poningru> I had a question re: launchpad.net
[09:39] <poningru> when someone puts needs info
[09:39] <poningru> is there a field to put what info is needed?
[09:39] <Amaranth> comment :)
[09:39] <poningru> lamezorz... cause lots triagers just leave that alone and put in need info
[09:44] <imbrandon> when you choose need info there is a comments field
[12:10] <asimon> Hello, there seems to be a new change in dpkg-source. It errors out because "Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address". So whats the new policy for people without ubuntu addresses regarding packages for REVU? Should the maintainer field be set to ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com or can this check be disabled? Thanks.
[12:12] <RAOF> asimon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField
[12:12] <RAOF> It kinda sucks.
[12:12] <asimon> ok, thanks
[12:12] <StevenK> Drat, I'm going to have to remember it when I next do a bug fix. :-/
[12:12] <StevenK> RAOF: I'm looking at your debdiff now, by the way.
[12:13] <RAOF> Oh, hurrah!  Which one :)
[12:13] <Amaranth> if you actually change the package you should change that field
[12:13] <StevenK> 85705
[12:13] <Amaranth> what sucks is when you just want to do a rebuild
[12:13] <StevenK> RAOF: If you want me to look at others, throw me the bug numbers.
[12:13] <RAOF> Wooo!  Working python-pyinotify!  apt-zeroconf will work again :)
[12:13] <RAOF> Nah, the only other one I've got is for a package on REVU which isn't mine.
[12:13] <Amaranth> RAOF: what did you change?
[12:14] <Amaranth> RAOF: rules fuckery?
[12:14] <RAOF> Amaranth: Yeah.
[12:14] <Amaranth> RAOF: be sure to give those back to the debian maintainer
[12:14] <RAOF> If you want to know, it turns out that the _inotify.so file wasn't being segregated based upon the python-version
[12:14] <Amaranth> i said that :P
[12:15] <RAOF> Amaranth: No, you said that the 2.4 version was being installed over the 2.5 version :P
[12:15] <Amaranth> err, yes
[12:15] <Amaranth> because it was?
[12:15] <StevenK> Yummy, the clean rule wants python2.5
[12:16] <RAOF> Amaranth: Well, no.  The 2.5 version was never *built*, because the _inotify.so file was already there from the 2.4 build.
[12:16] <coNP> Amaranth: sorry, is that if I want to fix a bug in a package, I also should change the maintainer to ubuntu-dev / ubuntu motu?
[12:16] <asimon> Hm, the DebianMaintainerField only speaks about packages relative to Debian, What about new packages for REVU? They need to have the maintainer field set to MOTU too?
[12:16] <RAOF> asimon: If you want them to build, yes.
[12:16] <Amaranth> coNP: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField
[12:16] <Amaranth> asimon: why not? the MOTU are responsible for them
[12:17] <asimon> RAOF: Okay, thanks.
[12:17] <asimon> Amaranth: Yes, I have nothing against this policy, I just wanted to be sure. :-)
[12:17] <Hobbsee> kind of scary, for us MOTU's
[12:18] <coNP> Amaranth: yes, I am looking at this page, that only states that "the field will be set <whatever>"... I am a newbie, and not sure if I should set it or "it will be set by someone / some tool"
[12:18] <Amaranth> you set it
[12:18] <Hobbsee> "
[12:18] <RAOF> Ok, so how should I share my newfound ability to build a working python 2.5 version of pyinotify with Debian?
[12:18] <Amaranth> RAOF: file a bug
[12:18] <RAOF> Amaranth: Where :)
[12:18] <RAOF> Amaranth: Never done the Debian thing before!
[12:19] <Amaranth> RAOF: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
[12:19] <RAOF> I suppose I *could* go to the debian site, rather than ask google for "debian bugzilla".  :/
[12:20] <StevenK> Debian doesn't use bugzilla, thank $DEITY.
[12:20] <Amaranth> debian has a hand-rolled email-based bug tracker
[12:20] <StevenK> >>> import pyinotify
[12:20] <StevenK> >>> 
[12:20] <StevenK> RAOF: ^
[12:20] <Amaranth> StevenK: that makes it works
[12:20] <Amaranth> err, means
[12:20] <RAOF> Indeed.
[12:21] <geser> Amaranth: changing the maintainer is only necessary if the version contains ubuntu, rebuild gets usually XbuildY
[12:21] <StevenK> You don't say.
[12:21] <RAOF> Now, for completeness.  python2.4 >>>import pyinotify
[12:21] <StevenK> ImportError: No module named threading
[12:21] <Amaranth> ouch
[12:21] <RAOF> Isn't that in the python stdlib?
[12:21] <Amaranth> that's stdlib
[12:22] <Amaranth> sys.path is getting trashed?
[12:22] <StevenK> Only python2.4-minimal was installed.
[12:23] <StevenK> Now it's fine.
[12:24] <Lutin> siretart: have you tried the script that updates the maintainer field ?
[12:24] <StevenK> RAOF: Uploaded.
[12:25] <RAOF> Huzzah!  Thanks muchly.
[12:26] <geser> Lutin: have you already updated your script to use XSBC-O-M?
[12:26] <Lutin> geser: yep
[12:32] <geser> Lutin: thanks for the url, you missed the change of the mail address for main. it's now ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com
[12:32] <Lutin> heh, wasn't aware of that. thanks a lot
[12:33] <Lutin> geser: ok, updated. thanks
[12:36] <geser> Lutin: I'd say IGNORE_MAINTAINER can also be removed as these addresses wouldn't pass the check in dpkg-source
[12:37] <Lutin> geser: what does this check actually checks ?
[12:37] <Lutin> the email for main or motu ?
[12:38] <geser> if ($fi{'C Maintainer'} !~ /ubuntu/) {
[12:39] <Lutin> ok
[12:39] <geser> it simply checks if the Maintainer value contains ubuntu
[12:39] <Lutin> ok, so the domains in canonical should also be replaced
[12:39] <geser> yes
[12:40] <Lutin> ok, done
[12:54] <geser> does every update of a native package need an UVF exception?
[12:55] <asimon> I have another question regarding the new maitainer field policy and new packages for REVU. Should the address in debian/changelog also be set to the MOTU address? Otherwise lintian thinks the package is a NMU and gives warnings.
[12:55] <imbrandon> asimon, no
[12:56] <imbrandon> and nmu wanrnings are fine in ubuntu
[12:56] <asimon> imbrandon: Okay, thank you.
[12:56] <Fujitsu> geser, I don't think there's a policy on that. I've seen a few native uploads post-UVF, so I think it's fine.
[01:16] <andreseso> hello, do you know if there is a repo for ubuntu edgy with subversion 1.4 ?
[01:17] <Hobbsee> andreseso: try #ubuntu
[01:18] <andreseso> no luck there at this time
[01:19] <asimon> Hobbsee: Thank you for reviewing kde-style-qtcurve. I uploaded a new version.
[01:19] <Hobbsee> asimon: yay :)
[02:27] <imbrandon> ho hum
[02:33] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hey ;)
[02:33] <imbrandon> heya Tonio_ 
[02:33] <Tonio_> imbrandon: just bought a macbook pro fyi
[02:33] <imbrandon> fskin NICE
[02:33] <imbrandon> bout time bro LOL
[02:33] <Tonio_> as good a the ibm, but half the price in france....
[02:33] <imbrandon> dual booting ?
[02:33] <Tonio_> the ibm machine is 4400 fyi..... 1700$ in the us....
[02:33] <imbrandon> better than the IBM :)
[02:34] <Tonio_> can you imagin that price difference in europe ?
[02:34] <imbrandon> wow
[02:34] <Tonio_> that's unbelievable
[02:34] <imbrandon> i love my mac, infact the next new notebook i get to replace this one will be another mac
[02:35] <Tonio_> imbrandon: well I know that the mac support is not as good as ibm (acpi etc...)
[02:36] <Tonio_> but as lots of linux devs are using macs, that's getting better
[02:36] <Tonio_> so I'm not that affraid
[02:36] <imbrandon> yea 
[02:36] <imbrandon> i have had no problems with mine and support
[02:36] <imbrandon> even wireless works
[02:36] <imbrandon> :)
[02:37] <imbrandon> the only thing i cant get working on my old ibook in linux is the built in microphone
[02:37] <imbrandon> but i never use that anyhow
[02:37] <imbrandon> and i bet if i messed with it or proded crimsun enough i could get it working
[02:37] <imbrandon> everything else works flawless OOTB
[02:38] <imbrandon> well since dapper, breezy had soem issues with the touchpad etc :)
[02:41] <imbrandon> hum how can i pin the kernel ver?
[02:42] <imbrandon> anyone wanna give me a fast rundown?
[02:43] <gnomefreak> imbrandon: theres a wiki on it but last i tried it didnt work for me. i might have done something wrong though
[02:44] <gnomefreak> !pinning | imbrandon 
[02:44] <ubotu> imbrandon: pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[02:46] <imbrandon> thanks
[02:49] <coNP> do you think gnome-app-install will be fixed to install recommended packages by feisty -- bug #75026 ?
[02:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75026 in gnome-app-install "gnome-app-install needs to install recommends" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/75026
[03:08] <imbrandon> ok bash freaks why isnt ....... elif [ $OS_TYPE -eq "Ubuntu" ]        working ( $OS_TYPE == Ubuntu via lsb_release )
[03:08] <imbrandon> has me stumped
[03:08] <imbrandon> something about intger expression expected
[03:08] <imbrandon> s/-eq/=/g maybe ?
[03:09] <Lathiat> -eq = integer
[03:09] <Lathiat> man test
[03:09] <imbrandon> um ok ... so , == ?
[03:09] <Lathiat> you'll want quites on the "$OS_TYPE" = "Ubuntu via lsb_release"
[03:09] <Lathiat> its single = not double ==
[03:10] <imbrandon> right got it, thanks
[03:44] <tsmithe> am i supposed to use "XSBC-Original-Maintainer" ?
[03:45] <Adri2000> tsmithe: yes
[03:45] <tsmithe> cool
[03:46] <Adri2000> Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com> and XSBC-Original-Maintainer: you
[03:46] <tsmithe> yes
[03:46] <tsmithe> :)
[04:18] <shawarma> What does XSBC stand for anyway?
[04:18] <_ion> Excess bullcrap
[04:19] <shawarma> Just as I thought. :-)
[04:32] <geser> shawarma: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s5.7
[04:40] <shawarma> geser: Oh. Clever.
[04:40] <shawarma> geser: thanks.
[04:43] <muzzol> hi
[04:43] <muzzol> i get lot of "no utmp entry available and LOGNAME not defined" errors
[04:43] <muzzol> seems that are not critical but is very annoing
[04:44] <muzzol> i am missing something?
[04:45] <lionel> muzzol: just ignore them. This warnings are normal
[04:45] <muzzol> ok
[04:45] <muzzol> but can i get rid of?
[04:46] <shawarma> muzzol: It's in pbuilder, right?
[04:47] <muzzol> yes
[04:47] <shawarma> muzzol: Well... You *could* set LOGNAME to root or something, but that wouldn't be very nice, I think.
[04:47] <muzzol> what is that variable for?
[04:48] <shawarma> it holds your username.
[04:48] <muzzol> i see
[04:48] <tsmithe> "wired.1x: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/dh_installman line 120.". i have debian/manpages containing one line "wired.1x", and the wired.1x file is in debian/
[04:49] <_ion> tsmithe: Try debian/wired.1x
[04:49] <tsmithe> aha
[04:52] <tsmithe> also, my package installs a default set of plugins to /usr/lib, and lintian gives me "E: wired: no-shlibs-control-file" and "E: wired: postinst-must-call-ldconfig", but they're not really libraries in the traditional sense
[04:55] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:58] <lionel> hi bddebian
[04:58] <bddebian> Hi lionel
[05:02] <tsmithe> ah bddebian, you reviewed wired! i have a question
[05:02] <tsmithe> it installs a default set of plugins to /usr/lib, and lintian gives me "E: wired: no-shlibs-control-file" and "E: wired: postinst-must-call-ldconfig", but they're not really libraries in the traditional sense
[05:06] <bddebian> tsmithe: Then why aren't they in /usr/lib/wired/foo ?
[05:06] <tsmithe> hmm
[05:06] <tsmithe> good point
[05:08] <tsmithe> urgh that's annoying. some are and some aren't
[05:10] <bddebian> Fun huh? :)
[05:10] <tsmithe> *sigh*
[05:10] <tsmithe> :P
[05:11] <tsmithe> would you hate me if they went into /usr/lib/wired/wired?
[05:16] <tsmithe> yipee for the easy way out
[06:18] <bddebian> Laser_away: If you happen to come around, you use gpib right?
[07:00] <tsmithe> could i ask for a couple of reviews?
[07:00] <tsmithe> aka is anyone free?
[08:08] <tsmithe> anyone want to review some ubuntustudio packages?
[08:34] <ajmitch> morning
[08:58] <tsmithe> also, could someone archive a few uploads for me?
[08:58] <tsmithe> (to revu)
[08:59] <tsmithe> sonata (in ubuntu now; old package), libresample (obsolete), libfooid (same)
[09:05] <geser> tsmithe: done the archiving
[09:09] <geser> tsmithe: looking at wired: is there a reason why you build-depend on portaudio19-dev and call configure with --disable-portaudio?
[09:11] <Q-FUNK> http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/cups-pdf/news/20070214T164703Z.html
[09:12] <Q-FUNK> any time to get this into Feisty?
[09:12] <Q-FUNK> it's in unstable already
[09:12] <Q-FUNK> just needs a sync
[09:12] <geser> file a sync request
[09:50] <siretart> Lutin: I think I did have a look at it, but in the specific case I wanted to use it, it didn't do what I wanted
[09:58] <shawarma> Any idea what an underscore before the keyname in a .desktop file means?
[09:59] <shawarma> Ah... Never mind.
[10:01] <tsmithe> geser, yes
[10:01] <tsmithe> --disable-portaudio disables static building of the bundled library
[10:01] <shawarma> siretart: Have you got time to fix a tiny thing in revu?
[10:02] <shawarma> siretart: when showing the debdiff between two versions, could you please set the mimetype to text/plain ?
[10:14] <ptitdav69> hi here, for a package on REVU (gnono), I need to have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField for an error with the maintainer field
[10:14] <ptitdav69> can you confirm that I need to put thjs in debian/control :
[10:15] <ptitdav69> Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>
[10:15] <ptitdav69> XSBC-Original-Maintainer: David Valot <ptitdav69@gmail.com>
[10:15] <ptitdav69> ?
[10:15] <imbrandon> yes
[10:15] <ptitdav69> thanks imbrandon 
[10:15] <imbrandon> if you are making ubuntu only changes
[10:16] <ptitdav69> it's a new package for ubuntu
[10:17] <imbrandon> is it in debian ?
[10:17] <ptitdav69> nope
[10:17] <imbrandon> k then thats correct iirc
[10:18] <ptitdav69> ok, thanks :)
[10:22] <ajmitch> which means that anyone building packages on ubuntu, whether they mean for them to be in ubuntu or not, have to set something ubuntuish in the Maintainer: field
[10:23] <tsmithe> so when my tsmithe@ubuntu.com address is set up, it's ok to use that not ubuntu-motu@l.u.c ?
[10:25] <tsmithe> hi bddebian 
[10:25] <imbrandon> tsmithe, if it is "your" package i guess
[10:25] <tsmithe> cool
[10:25] <imbrandon> but as ajmitch said in this case it sucks
[10:25] <bddebian> Heya gang
[10:25] <imbrandon> heya bddebian 
[10:25] <bddebian> Hi tsmithe, imbrandon
[10:26] <imbrandon> man i got to go home early from work today, but it sucks
[10:26] <tsmithe> it sucks?
[10:26] <imbrandon> i broke my hand/fingers
[10:26] <tsmithe> how?
[10:26] <imbrandon> and had to goto the ER
[10:26] <tsmithe> :S
[10:26] <imbrandon> now i have 2 fingers in a cast, kinda hard to type
[10:26] <tsmithe> poor guy
[10:26] <imbrandon> heh
[10:27] <imbrandon> i was racking a server and got my hand caught in a metal rack fan
[10:27] <tsmithe> urgh
[10:27] <imbrandon> was not cool
[10:27] <tsmithe> nasty
[10:27] <tsmithe> very nasty
[10:27] <jdong> ow
[10:27] <imbrandon> got me all pumped up on vicodin though heh
[10:27] <imbrandon> and demoral ( sp )
[10:27] <jdong> heh vicodin never worked for me
[10:28] <jdong> at least not during the peak of my arthritis
[10:28] <imbrandon> it does when you take 2 500mil tabs ever 2 hours
[10:28] <jdong> Hmm I was on 12.5/1000 every 4hrs
[10:29] <jdong> and it didn't really do anything but make me loopy
[10:29] <ajmitch> imbrandon: that was a bit silly, wasn't it?
[10:30] <jdong> how do you get KVM working??
[10:30] <imbrandon> ajmitch, a bit
[10:30] <jdong> obvious it isn't (1) install kvm (2) run kvm
[10:30] <tsmithe> jdong, make && make install
[10:30] <imbrandon> jdong, start it
[10:30] <jdong>  /dev/kvm didn't exist
[10:30] <tsmithe> mknod ?
[10:30] <jdong> jdong@severance:~/tmp$ kvm -cdrom puppy-2.14-seamonkey-fulldrivers.iso 
[10:30] <jdong> open /dev/kvm: No such file or directory
[10:30] <jdong> Could not initialize KVM, will disable KVM support
[10:30] <tsmithe> modprobe kvm major=1
[10:30] <jdong> oh
[10:30] <tsmithe> ?
[10:30] <imbrandon> modprobe kvm
[10:31] <jdong> it probed in
[10:31] <jdong> but didn't make /dev/kvm
[10:31] <tsmithe> hmm
[10:31] <imbrandon> kvm isnt any better than quemu imho
[10:31] <ajmitch> imbrandon: it's supposed to be faster than straight unaccelerated qemu
[10:32] <jdong> OH kvm-intel
[10:32] <shawarma> Has anyone compared kvm and kqemu? How do they compare?
[10:32] <tsmithe> jdong, "Are you sure the kvm_intel & kvm modules are loaded?
[10:32] <tsmithe> Maybe you're bios does not support virtualization.
[10:32] <tsmithe> Please check your dmesg."
[10:32] <imbrandon> yea it is, but not faster than kqemu , and more hassle ( just imho , i have no numbers to back it up )
[10:32] <tsmithe> http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/12/28/100
[10:32] <tsmithe> imbrandon, well, now that kqemu is open, they should just merge (along with [defunct]  qvm86)
[10:32] <ajmitch> imbrandon: which reminds me, we still have the old non-GPL kqemu in multiverse
[10:33] <jdong> tsmithe: got it
[10:33] <tsmithe> :)
[10:33] <imbrandon> the only advantage that i see is kvm is floss and kqemu is closed source
[10:33] <tsmithe> imbrandon, not any more
[10:33] <jdong> didn't kqemu open?
[10:33] <tsmithe> yeah
[10:33] <ajmitch> yes, it did
[10:33] <tsmithe> you can get the sources and specs on the qemu site
[10:33] <imbrandon> ahh nice i dident know that
[10:33] <ajmitch> just a couple of weeks ago
[10:33] <tsmithe> probably cos of vbox competition
[10:33] <ajmitch> was uploaded to debian a few hours later
[10:33] <imbrandon> been a while since i last used it
[10:33] <jdong> yeah it's not terribly fast
[10:34] <jdong> it's slower than vmware for sure
[10:34] <tsmithe> could it be autobuilt for the kernel? i mean, module-assistant is such a chore
[10:34] <tsmithe> jdong, tried virtualbox?
[10:34] <jdong> tsmithe: no, not yet
[10:34] <ajmitch> tsmithe: unlikely
[10:34] <tsmithe> ajmitch, mrgh
[10:34] <jdong> tsmithe: no way
[10:34] <jdong> tsmithe: I don't believe that
[10:34] <tsmithe> i do
[10:34] <ajmitch> there's no mechanism to force rebuilding of other packages on a kernel upload
[10:34] <tsmithe> plus, virtualbox doesn't have clock problems, which vmware does on this pentium-m
[10:34] <jdong> vmware is probably still the fastest
[10:34] <imbrandon> sure it could, like nvidia-glx and vmwareplayer modules etc
[10:35] <tsmithe> yeah... that's what i was thinking
[10:35] <jdong> heck xen doesn't beat vmware by much
[10:35] <tsmithe> doesn't apt support that kind of event hook?
[10:35] <ajmitch> tsmithe: no
[10:35] <tsmithe> oh ok
[10:35] <imbrandon> hrm
[10:35] <ajmitch> imbrandon: they are rebuilt by forcing new packages in
[10:35] <tsmithe> that's sad
[10:35] <ajmitch> like l-r-m
[10:35] <ajmitch> so you'd need to do the same for universe/multiverse
[10:36] <imbrandon> thats terrible
[10:36] <tsmithe> very
[10:36] <imbrandon> benc must hate life at times
[10:36] <tsmithe> apt needs hooks!
[10:36] <jdong> http://www.linux-gamers.net/smartsection.item.56/virtualbox-vs-qemu.html
[10:36] <ajmitch> tsmithe: it's *not* an apt thing
[10:36] <jdong> there does seem to  be some evidence that virtualbox is faster
[10:36] <tsmithe> dpkg needs hooks!
[10:36] <imbrandon> it would be a soyuz thing
[10:36] <tsmithe> vbox seems very much snappier
[10:36] <ajmitch> as imbrandon said
[10:36] <imbrandon> or dac
[10:36] <imbrandon> or falcon
[10:36] <imbrandon> or what ever is used to make the repo
[10:37] <ajmitch> soyuz would have to handle it
[10:37] <imbrandon> right for the official repo
[10:37] <imbrandon> falcon for mine
[10:37] <imbrandon> ( that i need to update )
[10:37] <imbrandon> and dac ( is that the rtight name ) for debian
[10:37] <imbrandon> man this cast is gonna get on my nervs
[10:38] <imbrandon> i cant tab complete correctly anymore
[10:38] <imbrandon> ( its on my pinky and ring finger of my left hand )
[10:38] <imbrandon> kinda strange
[10:39] <tsmithe> move your hand?
[10:39] <imbrandon> yea , but its not the same
[10:39] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:39] <lifeless> 'dak'
[10:39] <imbrandon> sides the tab key is way weay over on a apple keyboard
[10:39] <imbrandon> ahh thanks lifeless 
[10:40] <ajmitch> then don't stick your fingers where they shouldn't be 
[10:40] <imbrandon> btw heya long time no talk/type
[10:40] <imbrandon> ajmitch, i've heard that somewhere before :)
[10:40] <imbrandon> lifeless must have a hilight on soyuz ;)
[10:41] <lifeless> a:)
[10:43] <Simon80> hey, bddebian, what of logitech-applet?  am I supposed to be able to see it in feisty's repos?
[10:44] <imbrandon> hrm does blue-utilz make any menu entries? or how do you admin your bluetooth devices in gnome ?>
[10:44] <Simon80> imbrandon, what kind of device?
[10:44] <tsmithe> gnome-bluetooth ?
[10:44] <imbrandon> a usb bluetooth dongle
[10:44] <imbrandon> Simon80, ^^
[10:44] <shawarma> imbrandon: What would you like to do to your bluetooth devices?
[10:44] <Simon80> ah, plug it in
[10:44] <imbrandon> well its pluged in silly
[10:45] <Simon80> there's a bluetooth wiki page that I cleaned up that implies that mice and other hci devs need to be added from the CLI
[10:45] <Simon80> but for obex file sharing, there's a gui
[10:45] <Simon80> :(
[10:45] <tsmithe> imbrandon, bluetooth-applet ?
[10:45] <shawarma> imbrandon: ie. what do you mean "admin your bluetooth devices" ?
[10:45] <Simon80> at least the page claims it's a one time add
[10:45] <tsmithe> should have an icon in the tray
[10:45] <imbrandon> well i want to use my cellphone as a dialup adapter ( that is suported in osx )
[10:45] <tsmithe> ah you can...
[10:45] <tsmithe> /methinks
[10:45] <imbrandon> nope no tray icon
[10:45] <tsmithe> imbrandon, is bluetooth-applet running?
[10:46] <imbrandon> not that i can see
[10:46] <imbrandon> ps ax|grep bluetooth
[10:46] <Simon80> what peripheral do you want to connect to the dongle?
[10:46] <imbrandon> err
[10:46] <imbrandon> Simon80, my cell phone
[10:46] <Simon80> ah
[10:46] <Simon80> for file trans? or connectivity?
[10:46] <tsmithe> look up ;)
[10:46] <imbrandon> both hopefully
[10:46] <Simon80> I think gnome-bluetooth does the file transfer
[10:46] <imbrandon> brandon@hood:~$ ps ax|grep bluetooth
[10:46] <imbrandon> 31871 pts/1    R+     0:00 grep bluetooth
[10:46] <tsmithe> run bluetooth-applet and see
[10:47] <imbrandon> guess its not running
[10:47] <Simon80> though you can also manually use obex-ftp
[10:47] <Simon80> sorry, no hyphen, obexftp
[10:47] <Simon80> for file transfer
[10:47] <imbrandon> hrm
[10:47] <imbrandon> gnome-bluetooth wasent installed
[10:47] <Simon80> bluetooth support needs a solid gui
[10:48] <imbrandon> i love the way kde handles it 
[10:48] <Simon80> get their gui then!
[10:48] <Simon80> nothing stopping that
[10:48] <imbrandon> but my box with i wish to use bluetooth is gnome ;)
[10:48] <Simon80> I mix kde apps freely
[10:48] <bddebian> Simon80: Did I upload it?
[10:48] <tsmithe> kde bluetooth support is much better
[10:48] <imbrandon> i like to keep my kde and gnome seperate
[10:48] <Simon80> bddebian, doesn't look like it
[10:48] <Simon80> from my point of view
[10:49] <bddebian> Did I say I did?
[10:49] <tsmithe> also, could yous take look-sees at wired and enblend ?
[10:49] <Simon80> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4341
[10:49] <Simon80> yes
[10:50] <bddebian> Hmm, so I did.  it's sitting in NEW:  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4341
[10:50] <bddebian> Gah, damnit
[10:50] <bddebian> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=logitech
[10:51] <Simon80> lol, upped it to revu?
[10:51] <Simon80> oh
[10:51] <Simon80> what does that mean?
[10:51] <bddebian> Means it hasn't been processed by an archive admin
[10:51] <Simon80> ah
[10:52] <Simon80> well, thanks
[10:52] <bddebian> NP
[10:52] <Simon80> it's not in any danger of missing a freeze, is it?
[10:52] <bddebian> Hard to say :-(
[10:52] <bddebian> Shouldn't be
[10:53] <bddebian> Unless it gets rejected by the archive admins
[10:53] <imbrandon> wow evolution on feisty is very stable *rolls eyes*
[10:54] <Simon80> lol
[10:54] <Simon80> I've never used it seriously
[10:54] <Simon80> it makes me feel dirty to even consider it
[10:54] <tsmithe> evo is really nice!
[10:54] <Simon80> I use gmail
[10:54] <tsmithe> Simon80, not when you get >200 emails per day
[10:54] <imbrandon> i like evolution esp evolution-exchange but this version is very unstable
[10:55] <tsmithe> weird - rock solid here
[10:55] <imbrandon> tsmithe, i use gmail for my personal mail and i get >1000 a day
[10:55] <Simon80> tsmith, I agree, I dislike the sluggishness
[10:55] <tsmithe> imbrandon, you must have spent some time setting that up
[10:55] <Simon80> but it depends, I do get quite a bit of mail
[10:55] <tsmithe> imbrandon, and i probably get nearer that figure
[10:55] <Simon80> I get a lot of lists
[10:56] <imbrandon> tsmithe, yes i spend most of my time online in email and irc
[10:56] <tsmithe> bugmail should be destroyed. people just shouldn't be allowed to file bugs
[10:56] <Simon80> I hate bugmail
[10:56] <imbrandon> hum this gnome-bluetooth all but sucks
[10:56] <imbrandon> there is no gui only an applet
[10:56] <imbrandon> no options , no nothing
[10:57] <Simon80> kde it up!
[10:57] <Simon80> I'm all for mixing stuff, lol
[10:57] <tsmithe> imbrandon, see told ya
[10:57] <Simon80> maybe I'll make my own desktop env and call it incoherence
[10:57] <imbrandon> i hate mixing, i'll use one or the other
[10:57] <Simon80> I love mixing
[10:58] <imbrandon> i use kde 99.999% of the time, the one box i wanna use gnome on bites
[10:58] <Simon80> and qt, why dislike it? it has better resize performance than gtk, I'd say
[10:58] <imbrandon> lol
[10:58] <crimsun> ah, to live the simple life of only one desktop env.
[10:58] <Simon80> there is only one desktop env... it's called Incoherence
[10:58] <Simon80> it's about 2 mins old, and in heavy conceptual development
[10:59] <imbrandon> lol
[10:59] <Simon80> you can test drive it by conversing with me
[10:59] <Simon80> apostrophe abuse!
[10:59] <Simon80> I stick with gnome, but hate all its apps
[11:00] <imbrandon> lol
[11:00] <imbrandon> thats just silly
[11:00] <Simon80> I use firefox for browsing, kopete for IM, and amarok for music
[11:00] <imbrandon> you dont get the intergration
[11:00] <Simon80> I get the hotkeys, and I like gnome-terminal
[11:00] <Simon80> and I absolutely need gnome's sysmon applet
[11:00] <Simon80> whatever its real name is ;)
[11:01] <Simon80> System Monitor
[11:01] <Simon80> for cpu + mem + net + swap in real time with no lag
[11:01] <Simon80> I really could be doing better with this desktop though
[11:02] <Simon80> I live in firefox and terms anyway though, so meh
[11:06] <tsmithe> fer christ's sake! i plug in the charger and it tells me it's been unplugged!
[11:06] <crimsun> you're lucky. On some hardware, plugging in the adapter would cause the machine to power off.
[11:07] <tsmithe> haha
[11:07] <Simon80> ow
[11:08] <mr_pouit> I had 1996 hours remaining some times ago :]  I didn't know the battery was so powerful ^^
[11:08] <tsmithe> oh no
[11:08] <tsmithe> i've had 4008
[11:08] <imbrandon> time for a nap, the doc's pain killers have finaly got the best of me
[11:08] <imbrandon> gnight all
[11:08] <tsmithe> get well soon!
[11:10] <ajmitch> night imbrandon :)
[11:14] <crimsun> tsmithe: wrt alsa-tools, please check Debian BTS for the ld10k1 fixes
[11:14] <tsmithe> crimsun, ok
[11:15] <crimsun> but insanity is /fun/
[11:15] <tsmithe> :S
[11:16] <tsmithe> crimsun, what fixes do you refer to (it's been a while since i did anything with alsa-tools)?
[11:16] <zul> crimsun: yes....it...is fine....
[11:16] <crimsun> mmm chilled monkey brains
[11:16] <zul> brains....brains...BRAINS!!!
[11:16] <tsmithe> _ _
[11:17] <crimsun> tsmithe: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=alsa-tools;dist=unstable
[11:23] <tsmithe> crimsun, i must really be insane, cos i'm still uncertain as to which bug you are referring (/me feels like a right idiot now). do you mean the lintian error "E: ld10k1: shell-script-fails-syntax-check ./usr/share/ld10k1/init_live", and if so, debian 344777 ?
[11:23] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 344777 in ld10k1 "ld10k1: doesn't work well on startup to restore soundcard to a good state" [Wishlist,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/344777
[11:24] <crimsun> tsmithe: I'm referring to merging any/all fixes for ld10k1 from Debian BTS
[11:24] <tsmithe> oh right :)
[11:46] <Kano64> hi, what to do to get ndiswrapper 1.37?
[11:46] <Kano64> 1.30 does not work with usb wlan devices
[11:46] <Kano64> -> system lock
[11:47] <zul> not a support channel dude
[11:47] <crimsun> main/restricted are in UVF/FF as of Feb 8th.
[11:48] <Kano64> in what?
[11:48] <crimsun> upstream version freeze & feature freeze.
[11:48] <crimsun> aka, no newer versions, no new packages
[11:48] <Kano64> then your system is unable
[11:48] <crimsun> propose an UVF exception request
[11:49] <crimsun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[11:49] <ferret_0567> Why no Frozen Bubble 2 in universe? I had to add another repo to get that
[11:50] <Kano64> crimsun: whats the channel for kernel building support?
[11:50] <crimsun> Kano64: there is none.
[11:50] <ferret_0567> Frozen Bubble is pretty popular
[11:50] <crimsun> Kano64: as you probably know, -kernel is solely for development
[11:51] <Kano64> crimsun: well i made a kanotix target, but dont know how to build udebs
[11:51] <lionel> ferret_0567: frozen bubble 2.1 is in Universe (in Feisty)
[11:51] <lionel> a backport to Edgy has been asked
[11:51] <Kano64> (i dislike ubuntu config)
[11:51] <ferret_0567> Wow...can't even add the latest Frozen Bubble 2 to edgy...
[11:52] <crimsun> ferret_0567: see what lionel just said.
[11:52] <ferret_0567> It does take time though
[11:52] <crimsun> i.e., there's an edgy-backports request
[11:52] <ferret_0567> I know, a backport has been asked for, it's just not here yet
[11:52] <crimsun> good christ, be patient then
[11:52] <lionel> ferret_0567: request has been rejected #86068
[11:53] <crimsun> what do you think this is, a store?
[11:53] <Kano64> ferret_0567: install pbuilder and use sid's source file
[11:53] <Kano64> most easy way
[11:53] <ferret_0567> I already have Frozen Bubble 2
[11:54] <crimsun> then you need to request a backport for libsdl-pango-dev, too.
[11:54] <Kano64> als long as it does not depend on sh scripts it is easy
[11:55] <crimsun> (src:sdlpango)
[11:55] <Kano64> with a recursive pbuilder
[11:55] <lionel> crimsun: IIRC, backports for lib are not allowed
[11:58] <crimsun> lionel: see libvisual-0.4-0 in dapper-backports.
[11:59] <crimsun> (required for amarok)
[12:01] <lionel> crimsun: you're right
[12:11] <hub> ok, I have a new problem with dpkg-source
[12:11] <hub> dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address
[12:11] <hub> debuild: fatal error at line 1228:
[12:11] <hub> I use MY email address. wtf?
[12:12] <RAOF> hub: It's the DebianMaintainer spec.
[12:12] <geser> hub: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField