=== Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === SEJeff [n=SEJeff@adsl-76-208-145-16.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === SEJeff [n=SEJeff@adsl-76-208-145-16.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:54] \sh_away: did you see that you've got comments on your REVU pages? [12:54] hi Hobbsee [12:54] hey ajmitch [12:54] oh, it's been changed since then [01:00] shawarma: poke [01:00] oh, it's shawarma, not \sh_away === Hobbsee must be going insane... === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:03] Heya gang === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:04] heya bddebian! [01:04] Hi Hobbsee [01:05] hi bddebian [01:05] Heya ajmitch [01:06] I hate upstream authors some times === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === philwyett [n=philwyet@bb-87-81-146-45.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:14] Hobbsee: Er... Huh? [01:14] evening MOTU [01:15] bddebian: Hey! Could you take another peek at my network-manager packages? I've changed the maintainer (and nothing else), so it should be a quick review. === jkimball4 [n=jerrid@ip24-252-32-248.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:15] shawarma: Hobbsee and I already have ;-) [01:15] Heya LaserJock [01:15] bddebian: So you have. Sorry. [01:15] NP :) [01:16] shawarma: see the typo alert :) [01:16] Did you not get what Hobbsee wrote/ [01:16] ? [01:16] How is it possible to commit a bugfix to a Ubuntu package that has a maintainer with no @ubuntu.com address? [01:16] the maintainer address in debian/control needs to be a ubuntu address - not the changelog one [01:17] Hobbsee: okay, I know [01:17] and I'm not sure if that will even cause a problem or if it's just a warning [01:17] LaserJock: it ftbfs, apparently [01:17] But it is not, and it is a *ubuntu* package [01:17] it says: "debuild: fatal error at line 1228:" [01:17] and exits, of course [01:17] really? that sucks :( [01:18] ah well, I guess it'll make us fix it :/ [01:18] I allready feisty that might be a problem [01:18] bddebian: I was just a bit confused by the sh_away/shawarma confusion. :-) [01:19] Ah :-) [01:20] coNP, as long as a package has XubuntuY, it won't let you build without @ubuntu.com in the Maintainer field... Isn't this new policy great? [01:20] shawarma: yes, so was i :P === Hobbsee would have thought a !*@debian.org address would have sufficed... [01:20] Fujitsu: it is, however what to do with "legacy" packges? [01:20] Hobbsee: but that's the point [01:21] Hobbsee, I would have thought that you would be able to opt out, at least. [01:21] the whole point is that Ubuntu packages should have ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com or ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com [01:21] LaserJock: ie, ftbfs on a XubuntuY version, with a *@debian.org email address - not ftbfs on anything that's not a *@ubuntu.com address [01:21] actually this suffix is neither debian.org nor ubuntu.com [01:22] well, the spec is to move away from actual people listed as Maintainer [01:22] so it shouldn't really even have @ubuntu.com addresses [01:22] to reflect that we team maintain packages [01:23] LaserJock: But a number of packages are maintained by certain people. [01:23] but they aren't technically [01:23] In reality they are, though. [01:23] we have no NMU [01:24] any MOTU can upload any package in Universe [01:24] and core-dev can upload any package in Main and Universe [01:24] It's not a matter of whether they can. It's whether they do. [01:24] There are some packages for which it is a given that only one or two people touch them. [01:25] somerville32: ping (catfish) [01:25] Fujitsu: sure, but there is no Policy to govern that [01:25] so a person should look at the changelog rather than Maintainer: [01:26] bddebian, Hobbsee: Fresh version of the nm packages are uploaded the typo fixed. [01:27] shawarma: nice [01:27] shawarma, do you need someone to look at them? I use both a bit. [01:27] bddebian: can you ack, upload them please? [01:27] Fujitsu: if you like [01:28] Fujitsu: bddebian's pretty much done the second ack [01:28] I can also just upload them myself.. [01:29] shawarma: I would just upload them both at this point [01:29] Fujitsu: Debian wants us to remove them from Maintainer: , the only way for us to replace that since we have team maintainership is to set MOTU or core-dev as maintainer [01:29] Fujitsu: bddebian has checked it numerous times. For now I actually just want to get them in before FF. [01:29] bddebian: Excellent. Will do. [01:29] Fujitsu: if somebody wants to be known as the Ubuntu maintainer they can put in a @ubuntu.com address [01:31] bddebian, Hobbsee: Yay! Uploaded. Thanks a lot! [01:31] shawarma: :D [01:31] there...xen updated [01:32] shawarma: No, thank YOU :-) [01:33] Gawd reviews sucks wit this stupid maintainer thing :-( === Hobbsee emails motulist @ the REVU's [01:34] Right, I'm off to bed. G'night guys. [01:34] night shawarma [01:34] cy shawarma [01:35] Gnight shawarma === asantoni [n=alb@bas7-london14-1177945954.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock stabs adept_update [01:49] grrr, what the heck is it doing/ [01:49] *? [01:51] bddebian, pong [01:51] What is it doing? [01:51] somerville32: Did catfish get rejected? [01:51] I'm not a motu [01:51] I can't upload [01:52] Jereme said he already uploaded it. Did it never get uploaded? [01:52] He said it in here or on the comments? [01:52] On the comments [01:53] But I don't see it in the new queue [01:53] That got uploaded a long time ago [01:53] This is a new version [01:53] Ohh, OK [01:57] Fujitsu: adept_update was complainging about some debconf niceness and said to change it but gave no option to do so [01:57] so it ended up not installing anything [01:58] apt-get dist-upgrade FTW === caravena_ [n=caravena@178-29-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena_ [n=caravena@178-29-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:06] imbrandon!!!!! [02:06] seriously uncool [02:06] it did it again [02:06] and it took 2 reboots to get it back to life [02:07] I suspect KDE is overheating my machine or something === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:08] hum [02:09] wow... the basement of the library is REALLY peaceful.... [02:09] guys, in about 20-30min kick me out, please :) [02:09] staying here too long probably isn't healthy :) [02:09] the library? [02:09] I love libraries === jdong in the basement of the Hayden Memorial Library === jdong found a nice LaTeX book [02:10] cool === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:11] I don't see why people whine about LaTeX so much... so far I've found it less cumbersome than a WYSIWYG editor [02:11] it depends [02:11] maybe I'm just not deep enough into it [02:11] I once did a 4ft x 5ft poster entirely in LaTeX [02:12] for typing up EECS homework... LaTeX wins [02:12] took me about a month [02:12] going in and out of monospace codeblocks in OOo ain't no walk in the park :D [02:12] but it was beautiful [02:12] LaserJock: Dad once did an A0 one. Cost some AUD200 to print. [02:12] LaserJock: sounds like fun :D === rexbron [n=rexbron@complex1-372-008.resnet.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:12] jdong: Plus, OOo is a bloated POS. [02:13] these days I use PowerPoint for posters though === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:13] it's faster and cheaper [02:13] interesting [02:13] koffice ftw === imbrandon is afk [02:14] imbrandon: lol :) [02:14] koffice seems quite good [02:14] but even openoffice doesn't have good enough compatibility for me [02:15] you mean MS office doesnt have good enough compat with the other two major players? [02:15] heh === Marsmensch [n=daniel@149-203-116-85.dsl.manitu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:15] spin, got to love it === pochu [n=pochu@lse2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:16] Fujitsu: btw, changing components.Interface to Interface in twisted-web2's iweb.py lets zope3 start [02:16] its like the diffrence from when MS says "... make sure your laptop is ready for Vista ..." vs " .. is linux ready for your laptop ... " its all about word smithing [02:16] lol [02:16] imbrandon: it's true, but as long as MS Office is on all the computers I have to present on there isn't a ton I can do [02:16] MS isnt a software company , its a marketing company that markets software [02:17] Fujitsu: seems that it can make do with zope.interface [02:17] LaserJock, true [02:18] it's really been sad to see my advisor's computer usage over the years [02:19] when I first started working for him he was a die-hard Linux user [02:19] wouldn't touch MS [02:19] installed OpenOffice on all the dept's lab computer [02:20] imbrandon: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/node/2075 << that's a joke, right? [02:20] the more I read it the more I get the feeling the author was serious [02:20] now he's all OS X and MS Office [02:20] ajmitch, nice... I'll look at later and try to use it a lot to break it. [02:21] jdong: He sure sounds serious, even if crackful [02:21] hahah no idea, some people are just dense and view "slave" as a bad word when it has a real meaning [02:21] Fujitsu: yeah, I've just tried starting it - there are a bunch of other changes in SVN, it's hard to pick out only the ones that are needed [02:22] that would be like changing ide drives from master-->slave [02:22] imbrandon: that was up for discussion [02:22] people need to get over it, it has no racial conotaions [02:22] imbrandon: in San Fran IIRC [02:22] That sounds about right [02:22] imbrandon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master-slave_%28computers%29#Controversy [02:23] sad but true [02:23] jdong, maybe by one company, but thousands of compansy in many countries use those terms [02:23] it would be inpratical to change [02:23] no kidding :) [02:23] and it figures it was on the left coast [02:23] anyhow, bbiab [02:23] I find it amusing to find people complaining about that [02:23] well, at some level it does make sense [02:24] and also , a Christian group objected to *nix being taught in some school district [02:24] due to the use of 'daemons' [02:24] i dont i find it sick that in todays world people look for something to complain racialy about when its way offbase [02:24] jdong: idiocy [02:24] ajmitch: was that directed at me or the article? :D [02:24] ajmitch: either one would be correct :D [02:24] heh [02:25] people ask Ichthux and Ubuntu CE if they've replaced all daemons [02:25] lol [02:25] I think it's a bit entertaining, but whatever [02:25] as long as there is a human race SOMEONE will complain about something, you have to choose your battles and these people obviously have no clue [02:25] /etc/cron.daily/50-exorcise-daemons..... [02:26] LaserJock: IMO it's funny when people do it as satire, really concerning when people seem serious [02:26] well, if it was actually spelled demons I could see it [02:26] LaserJock: daemon/demon are interchangeable [02:26] im gonna make a distro thats call "redhead step-child" [02:26] isn't that kubuntu? [02:26] hehe [02:26] oops [02:26] lol === imbrandon /kicks jdong [02:26] LOL [02:26] thats edubuntu [02:27] ouch!! [02:27] ;) [02:28] {,k}ubuntu satanic edition .... http://parker1.co.uk/satanic/ [02:28] :) === imbrandon stops [02:28] Edubuntu rocks so just leave it alone :p [02:30] anybody getting a Cannot Unmount volume: Can't remove directory error? [02:30] when unmount stuff? [02:30] (GNOME) [02:30] I haven't [02:31] aha bug 85424 [02:31] Malone bug 85424 in gnome-mount "Unmount fails every time " [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85424 [02:31] what's the etiquette with Confirmed? [02:32] should developers set that or can I set it if I'm reasonably confident of a confirmation? [02:32] I think you can [02:32] if you've experienced the precise symptoms, set it. [02:32] you might have to be in ubuntu-qa [02:32] I can't remember [02:32] crimsun: ok, there's in total like 8 people reporting identical symptoms [02:34] I have not been able to reproduce those symptoms either from a dist-upgrade (from Breezy) or on a fresh daily. [02:35] crimsun: do you have an iPod? [02:35] e.g., not reproducible on three different iPod models [02:35] hmm [02:35] interesting [02:35] it happens on my system.. dist-upgraded from edgy.... [02:35] nor is it reproducible on six different other usb mass storage devices. [02:35] in other words, you all just suck. [02:36] LOL [02:36] ;) [02:37] crimsun: when do you think tickless will happen? === jdong still irked about C3/C4 buzzing on his laptop... [02:37] err, best ask Ben/Matthew ... [02:37] ok [02:37] at this stage, it's fairly unlikely for Feisty [02:38] right, I realize that :) [02:38] and speaking of that, is it likely that ext4dev would be enabled? [02:38] (see above) [02:38] I'm a measley community contact for a tiny kernel subsystem [02:39] crimsun: since when was ALSA small? === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:39] I take the inverse of its bug count [02:39] lol [02:39] hello crimsun [02:39] hello ajmitch [02:44] I'm a Debian maintainer and I'd like my Debian package to be merged into Ubuntu for the Feisty release. [02:45] This is about the alpine package; I talked to some people around here a week or so ago, and I wanted to make sure I didn't miss a deadline for a freeze. [02:45] I also am not sure where to find the freeze timeline. [02:45] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule [02:45] Sweet, thanks! [02:46] paulproteus: probably not too sweet ;-) [02:46] I think it's already age of the UVF Exception Requests? [02:46] jdong, 4 days until the new package deadline. [02:46] ah, ok [02:47] UVF was a little while ago, but that's just new upstream versions, not whole new packages. [02:47] ah, ok [02:47] I thought new packages would've gone under the same category [02:47] Oddly enough, no. [02:48] well I guess it kinda makes sense [02:48] It's probably because there's less chance of a regression. [02:48] right [02:48] It can't break worse than not existing. [02:48] since it didn't exist before [02:48] Hah. (-: [02:48] Fujitsu: you have no idea how many backports tickets I've supported with that logic! [02:48] Hehe. [02:49] paulproteus: which package? [02:49] Hobbsee: alpine I think he said [02:49] ah, missed that bit [02:49] Hobbsee: attentively read scrollback you must :) === paulproteus nods [02:50] (just file a sync request for it, sub ubuntu-universe-sponsors, then move along) === Hobbsee read almost all of it [02:50] It hasn't been built by the autobuilders yet, so it's not on packages.debian.org, but it's in the process of that right now. [02:50] hiya paulproteus [02:50] Hah! Hi keescook. (-: [02:50] paulproteus, has it passed through NEW? [02:50] ls [02:51] Permission denied. [02:51] Fujitsu, Months ago; this is just a new version of a package I put in Debian a few months back. [02:51] Password: [02:51] crimsun: hehe [02:51] "File a sync request" you say, crimsun? [02:51] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess [02:51] crimsun, Thanks, I appreciate the patience. (-: [02:52] aack that's 3La^2 not 31a^2 [02:52] pffft === jdong files "Maxima stupid font costed me 7 extra minutes doing my physics" [02:53] :( === Fujitsu shudders at the mention of Maxima. === crimsun files damned backports cost me my sanity [02:53] In what package do I file sync requests? [02:54] Against what package, that is; I'm at Launchpad now. [02:54] leave it blank. [02:54] crimsun: lol someone say flashplugin? :D [02:54] (the source package isn't in Ubuntu yet) [02:54] Thanks. (-: [02:57] anyone else feel latex leaves a mess in one's workspace? [02:57] all these intermediate files... [02:58] well, it can be messy === jdong figures out what to glob to get rid of all the crap [02:58] but it can also be helpful [02:58] LaserJock: helpful? all these log and aux and whatnot files? [02:58] yeah, bibliographic material, etc. gets used in there [02:58] vim couldn't be more annoying if it created 5 extra randomly-named backups! [02:59] LaserJock: ah , ok I see... [02:59] not all of it is just useless junk ;-) [02:59] lol that's news to me [03:00] baw I broke latex :( [03:00] wait no, wrong terminal === jdong needs to find closest coffee shop === paulproteus grins [03:01] oh dear paulproteus please don't start the latex innuendos :D [03:01] jdong, you broke latex? you should go get the morning after pill [03:01] MEZ!!!! === lbm [n=lbm@0x555373ab.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:01] jdong, yes? [03:01] Mez: I love you. [03:01] jdong, why ? [03:01] Mez: that was sarcastic. === Mez feels hurt [03:02] I don't really like you. I was just saying that for comedic effect [03:02] ;-) === Mez cries === ajmitch wonders if we can start banning people [03:02] jdong, Those didn't even occur to me, though I see others here are more creative than I. (-; [03:03] paulproteus: it's not creativity... I get it from everyone in CSAI lab that I asked a latex question to [03:03] paulproteus: it was amusing the first once or twice... but 3 hours later.... not so much [03:03] Duly noted, jdong. (-: [03:03] ajmitch: banning which people? [03:03] ajmitch, who, me or jdong? [03:04] Mez: probably all of us :D === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:04] Mez: both [03:04] hey bmonty [03:04] Let's ban the whole channel! === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] [03:04] aw [03:04] ... quick visit. [03:04] oh please do ban the whole channel === Mez sets mode _b *!*@ubuntu/* [03:04] And he left #ubuntu-devel a few seconds later. [03:05] probably because of you wanting to ban him :) === Mez sets mode +b *!*@ubuntu/* [03:05] jdong: wheren't we supposed to kick you out? [03:05] LaserJock: never! being in a basment rocks! [03:05] actually yes [03:05] LaserJock: especially one that has wifi! [03:05] heh...i suggest a wordban [03:06] like prevu, backports, reiser4..... [03:06] ubuntuforums === jdong kicks zul === jdong looks for a Vista Premium logo to set as zul's avatar === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:06] I don't think he'll care [03:07] bmonty: stay this time, k? [03:07] sure :) [03:07] sorry about that === Kano [n=Kano@91.64.67.21] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:07] hows it going? [03:07] good to see you, how's it going? [03:07] heh, alright :) [03:07] heya bmonty === nox- [i=nox@pD955C6EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:07] Hi bmonty. [03:07] hi crimsun [03:07] whoa! it's Kano! === Mez saw a windows vista poster the other day and thought it was advertising World of Warcraft [03:07] moin [03:07] Mez: lol [03:07] Mez: They're everywhere. [03:07] it was like [03:08] What a great slogan it is, too. [03:08] "WOW starts here..." [03:08] hi [03:08] Fujitsu, my lug has plans to subvertise those adverts [03:08] ajmitch: things are good...you? [03:08] did someone try to change to a dir with a "_" and mc? [03:08] bmonty!!!! [03:09] bmonty: doing alright here [03:09] hi LaserJock [03:09] LaserJock: I blinked a couple of time, too [03:09] bmonty: how's Gabe and the rest of the family? [03:10] LaserJock: Gabe is doing well....walking around now. We have another one on the way now too :) [03:10] bmonty: congrats! [03:10] thanks :) [03:10] Kano: what's the issue? [03:10] bmonty: congrats :) [03:11] seems like half the people round here are married with kids.. [03:11] :) [03:11] w00t bmonty. Now you can suffer like me! :) [03:12] heh...hi bddebian [03:12] crimsun, says Warning: Cannot change to . [03:12] ajmitch: so when will you become one of them? [03:12] and tarring up the dir via mc fails too [03:12] nox-: got an strace -fF? [03:13] Hobbsee: oh I might get married in a couple of weeks, got nothing better to do :P [03:13] it works when run via strace... :-O [03:13] Hobbsee: do you know if konqi works with mozilla plugins? [03:14] or rather if mozilla plugins work in konqi [03:14] LaserJock: it may. i think it does, actually [03:15] Kano told me about it, and i was able to reproduce it using the feisty-desktop-i386.iso in qemu [03:16] it also works when starting mc with SHELL=dash [03:20] lol, I've got more KDE apps than Gnome apps open right now [03:20] although I've only got 4 things so that's not saying much I suppose [03:22] Kano: / nox-: I'm looking at https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?18136 ( -> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153925 ) [03:22] bugs.gentoo.org bug 153925 in Applications "app-misc/mc wont work with new bash-3.2 propeply with all directories" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [03:23] fixed? [03:23] aah [03:23] yeah that seems to be this bug [03:24] does not really be fixed in universe [03:24] so bash needs to be updated? [03:24] mc. [03:24] i c [03:38] mc_4.6.1-6ubuntu1_source.changes: done. [03:38] Successfully uploaded packages. [03:38] Kano: / nox-: thanks. [03:38] yw [03:38] crimsun, fine [03:38] i really started to hate ubuntu because of not working mc ;) [03:39] now i can use it again [03:39] just compiled my own version with that patch,worked too === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Adri2000 [n=adri2000@ubuntu/member/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Sp4rKy [n=maxenced@ubuntu/member/sp4rky] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=chris@202.63.35.99] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:50] bye === Kano [n=Kano@91.64.67.21] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Verlassend"] [03:51] paulproteus: ACKed. [03:52] please remember that in the future, you need to include the Debian component and the Debian changelog entries. [03:54] crimsun, ls [03:54] Gah, sorry. === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:55] crimsun, Thanks. [03:55] crimsun, Also, were you involved in #debian-kde like four years ago? [03:55] something like that. [03:56] Well, rehi then. (-: [03:56] w/ kosh, roey, etc. [03:56] re === paulproteus nods enthusiastically [03:57] I remember Roey; I think I saw him around recently. === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:12] yikes, I was getting close to a full hard drive on my laptop :/ === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:14] hey, do you know what's the way to log the terminal output into a file? [04:14] what do you wanted logged, stdout? stderr? both? [04:15] foo -flags >file.txt 2>&1 [04:15] crimsun: thanks! [04:15] or foo &>file.txt [04:16] if you're a bash user [04:16] faster to write :) [04:16] :) [04:19]