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Admiral_Chicagognomefreak: i'm on feisty if you need anything12:57
Admiral_Chicago14:41 < gnomefreak> whos using feisty?12:58
Admiral_Chicago14:41 < gnomefreak> whos using feisty?12:58
dfarningsince herd 3 on my laptop12:58
Admiral_Chicagoi've got the latest as of today12:58
dfarningonly way to get the touchpad to work;(12:59
dfarningor suspend12:59
dfarningor bluetooth mouse12:59
dfarningor ...12:59
Admiral_Chicagoreally? might want to document that with laptop team12:59
dfarningI bought the laptop in Late December so the hardware is pretty new01:00
Admiral_Chicagoah yea, it'll take a while. When I buy a new laptop, I'm going to try to boot Ubuntu off the display model01:01
dfarningDrivers likely did not exit when edgy went out the door01:01
dfarningmakes sense01:02
dfarningwhatch the sales guy freak out;)01:02
Admiral_Chicagodfarning: hehe, gotta know what I'm buying. Plus, I tend to hate sales people...mostly because I know more than they do01:02
dfarningyeah best buy is the worst01:03
Admiral_Chicagooh tell me about it. I saw a kid working for their Geek Squad that was in the same programming class as me.01:04
Admiral_Chicagowhile I was working on the physics engine for my 2D shooter, he was looking up flash games01:05
dfarningI had a guy tell me c was a dead language;)01:05
dfarningno need to do backups anymore becuase new harddrive are so reliable;)01:06
Admiral_Chicagodfarning: i had a guy tell me FORTRAN was a dead language.01:06
Admiral_Chicagothat's why i'm using it right now...01:07
dfarningBe nice to fortran it was my first language01:07
dfarningwhat are you using it for01:07
dfarningin the late 80's it was all the rage in engineering circles01:08
Admiral_Chicagodfarning: protein folding prokect.01:09
Admiral_ChicagoFORTRAN is awesome. someone had a problem compilying their code on their non-free machine so I told them to just apt-get install g77 and compile it.01:10
dfarningfunny and ironic01:11
Admiral_Chicagocould you look at the -bugs ML01:14
dfarningwhat is up?01:14
Admiral_Chicagowhat do I do with that, defer?01:15
Admiral_Chicagooh I see01:15
dfarningoh you got a message about dealing with a mail message01:16
Admiral_Chicagothe original bug report was too long01:17
dfarninglooks like some one sent the report to the mailing list rather then adding to lp01:19
Admiral_Chicagono it's on LP, john looked at it.01:20
Admiral_Chicagowhat happened was since they tried to comment teh whole report, ML caught it.01:20
Admiral_Chicagosomeone just did that too, IMO we should just defer them01:21
dfarningah lp forwarded the bug to the ml01:21
dfarningyes agree defer01:21
dfarningattachment don't get forwarded01:22
dfarningbut discriptions and comments do01:22
gnomefreakAdmiral_Chicago: sorry already taken care of :)01:33
Admiral_Chicagookay cool01:33
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gnomefreakwho wants to see something funny than crash :(. i have a bug you go to this link and it crashes but read what it says before it closes and tell me if you think its supposed to close afterwards. http://hereisyourpolicebrutality.ytmnd.com/  try on feisty and edgy if you got it01:42
gnomefreaki wish mozilla would either have crashes or closing but not both :(01:44
gnomefreakill be back in morning01:44
Admiral_Chicagoomg who ever wrote that is not a good programmer01:55
Admiral_Chicagono crash for me gnomefreak01:57
gnomefreakno close?01:57
Admiral_Chicagonope01:58
Admiral_ChicagoVersion: 2.0.0.1+1-0ubuntu101:59
gnomefreakflash9?01:59
Admiral_Chicagoyes01:59
Admiral_ChicagoVersion: 9.0.31.0.1ubuntu101:59
gnomefreakhmmmm it closes here01:59
gnomefreakjava?02:00
Admiral_Chicagonot sure if I have it...02:00
gnomefreakjava -version02:00
Admiral_Chicagojava version "1.4.2"02:02
Admiral_Chicagogij --version02:02
Admiral_Chicagogij (GNU libgcj) version 4.1.202:02
Admiral_Chicagoso, that might be of use02:02
gnomefreakthat might be it :)02:05
gnomefreakcan you try with normal java installed see if you still get away with it. also do you have NoScript?02:05
Admiral_Chicagonoscript is *not* installed on my system02:06
Admiral_Chicagowhich one is regular java?02:06
gnomefreakAdmiral_Chicago: sun-java6-plugin  or sun-java5-plugin  than change it in update-alternatives to use the sun-java one02:09
gnomefreakim using sun-java6-plugin and it closes02:10
gnomefreakAdmiral_Chicago: do you see any type of file or anything else that might cause it on that site?02:10
Admiral_Chicagono, it's only javascript02:11
Admiral_Chicagoi read the page source02:11
gnomefreakthat might be it than. i cant find the bug now :(02:13
Admiral_Chicagoyea...i dunno what to do with that. blame the web page?02:14
gnomefreaki would but im seeing alot of that tonight02:19
Admiral_Chicagoah, hmm, you recently changed the plugin?02:21
gnomefreakno its not me02:21
gnomefreakim testing others crashes02:21
Admiral_Chicagoah, i see02:22
Admiral_Chicagobbl02:22
gnomefreakmost were due to .wmv files and totem not being ablet o open them02:22
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rhelmergnomefreak: hey05:39
rhelmergnomefreak: i do both ff and tb releases, among other random things05:39
rhelmer(mozilla.org releases i mean)05:40
poningru:p05:40
poningrudude put your -afk here too05:40
Admiral_Chicagoi can't find 2.0.0.2...I want to try it out.10:22
Admiral_Chicagomaybe mozilla has an SVN or something10:22
Admiral_Chicagowhatever, it's way too late for all this10:23
AlexLatchfordgnomefreak: Can you try to write a short guide on Bug Fixing, the process needed sometime in the future?10:33
AlexLatchfordhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Develop10:33
AlexLatchfordSo people can jump in and submit patches that are useful and how to test them etc.10:34
poningru...10:47
poningruAdmiral_Chicago: its on the ftp10:47
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gnomefreakk i think im awake for a little while02:44
gnomefreakAlexLatchford: what do you mean bug fixing?02:44
AlexLatchfordwell like patching etc, what needs to be done to pick up a patch froma bug report, and test it02:45
gnomefreaki can try im no expert by any means02:45
AlexLatchfordhmm okay02:46
gnomefreakfor testing patches it a simple command ( i have to ask asac for the command as it seems to be the one i didnt wring down. adding pactches to the build process is fairly easy though02:50
gnomefreakanyone know anything about nss signtool?02:53
AlexLatchfordAnyone object to me rejecting bug 14911 as it isn't a firefox bug, merely a flash bug and its been fixed in Flash 903:23
UbugtuMalone bug 14911 in firefox "Flash plugin problem with ARGB visuals causes crash" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1491103:23
gnomefreakonly issue i see with that is its still open upstream03:29
gnomefreakshould we ask the users to file upstream or should we be doing it for them? they know more about the bug than we do if we cant reproduce it.03:45
gnomefreakponingru: you here?03:58
AlexLatchfordgnomefreak: As far as I can see everyone who has switched to Flash 9 is now not experiencing any problems, thus I believe it was a flash bug04:01
gnomefreakAlexLatchford: i agree im not sure what upstream is doing. i would have to say check with crimson he might know better what is going on04:02
AlexLatchfordhmm okay04:02
gnomefreakwe could really use a mt-waitingforupstream tag i have been tagging and marking them as needsinfo but im not sure if that is fitting04:12
AlexLatchfordhmm04:30
AlexLatchfordthink we need to get this page changed04:31
AlexLatchfordhttps://launchpad.net/thunderbird/04:31
AlexLatchfordset the Bug Contact as Mozilla Bugs04:31
gnomefreakAlexLatchford: set it for agenda for the meeting me or david will work on it04:36
AlexLatchfordokay04:37
gnomefreakAlexLatchford: care to look at bug 58008  im not real sure what to do. there is no upstream bug to that affect but there is 1 upstream bug on training.dat file in tb04:56
UbugtuMalone bug 58008 in mozilla-thunderbird "mozilla-thunderbird freezes after downloading mail" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5800804:56
AlexLatchfordokay04:56
AlexLatchfordhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/4840104:56
UbugtuMalone bug 48401 in thunderbird "dapper thunderbird opens new folder view on ^M" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 04:56
AlexLatchfordthis bug is confusing me,04:57
gnomefreakk04:57
AlexLatchford^M means Ctrl+M right?04:57
gnomefreakyep i would reject it as not enough info to continue04:58
gnomefreakthere was no upstream bug defined so i rejected the upstream04:58
gnomefreakboth04:59
AlexLatchfordhmm, well Ctrl+M Minimizes the text to fit the window.04:59
gnomefreakfixed04:59
gnomefreakhes stating ^M opens mail05:00
gnomefreakthe ubuntu task was rejected and neither of the upstream tasks defined bugs05:00
AlexLatchfordhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bugs05:00
AlexLatchfordmeh oh well05:00
AlexLatchfordwhich package are these bugs relating too?05:00
gnomefreaki wouls say thunderbird for the most part05:01
AlexLatchfordwell yeah, but there isn't a thunderbird package05:02
AlexLatchfordits mozilla-thunderbird05:02
AlexLatchfordwe really need to sort out this naming soon05:02
gnomefreakcorrect but upstream is thunderbird not mozilla-thunderboird05:02
AlexLatchfordI dont see why we dont change it to be thunderbird then05:03
AlexLatchfordor are we?05:03
gnomefreakAlexLatchford: the naming for mozilla-thunderbird is fine just we have firefox and mozilla-firefox that i think we can condence05:03
gnomefreakAlexLatchford: i believe thunderbird and firefox should be final names05:03
AlexLatchfordfinal names?05:04
gnomefreakAlexLatchford: drop mozilla from the names05:04
gnomefreakand ubuntu would just have firefox and thunderbird05:04
AlexLatchfordhmm okay05:04
gnomefreakmozilla-* is a transitional package05:04
AlexLatchfordso why are we renaming firefox back to mozilla-firefox then?05:04
gnomefreaki wouldnt05:04
gnomefreakponingru: wants to05:05
AlexLatchfordright okay05:05
gnomefreakhe had one on there for thunderbird too but i removed it since there is no thunderbird package only a mozilla-thunderbird. but in the meeting i will bring up what i feel should be dine with both packages05:06
AlexLatchfordhmm okay05:07
AlexLatchfordjust think we need to sort out the naming throughout of thunderbird, firefox, flash plugins because its complicated as to exactly which is being maintained and which people should be using05:08
gnomefreaki agree05:09
gnomefreakponingru: dont panic i removed the 2 agenda points you added adn condenced them into one05:13
gnomefreakhostal takeover of mark?05:13
gnomefreaklol05:13
AlexLatchfordlol yes of course05:17
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poningruI do?06:36
poningruI wanna rename it?06:36
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asachello :-P08:33
asacanyone has feisty installed and can test bug 8517408:34
UbugtuMalone bug 85174 in firefox "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with wmv in html page (dup-of: 85198)" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8517408:34
UbugtuMalone bug 85198 in firefox "[Feisty]  FireFox crashes on trying to open http://www.wretch.cc/blog/cinphy" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8519808:34
asaclooks like totem requires some symbol that is not exported by firefox.08:34
Admiral_Chicagoasac: i can try08:34
asacif its really a bug, than it should be 100% reproducible ... if you have mozilla-totem installed08:35
asacAdmiral_Chicago: great.08:35
Admiral_Chicagoi don't have that installed, i used mplayer-plugin08:35
asacwould you mind to use it for a minute :) ?08:36
Admiral_Chicagoso it works in mplayer-plugin. I'll install totem now08:36
Admiral_Chicagoerr take that back, i use VLC08:36
asacif we can reproduce, then we can nail down :) .... guess most crashes with totem should be due to this problem08:37
asacdoes totem (plugin) ship in main or universe?08:37
Admiral_Chicagomain08:39
Admiral_Chicagobtw. I got this at apt-cache show firefox08:43
Admiral_ChicagoBugs: mailto:ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com08:43
asachmmm ... maybe not so bad :) ... users should first try to argue on ml if this is a bug at all :) ... but I guess if they look at apt-cache show they already know what they are doing.08:44
Admiral_ChicagoFrom: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion "The Totem video plugin doesn't seem to work with Firefox 2.x. You may want to install package mozilla-mplayer instead before you start."08:46
Admiral_Chicagoyup, that page made Fx crash08:48
asacoutput on console?08:48
Admiral_Chicagodidn't open from konsole but I have my dbg files, let me run teh command08:49
asacjust want to know if its really the missing symbol08:50
Admiral_Chicagoah i see what I did wrong..08:50
gnomefreakponingru: already  renamed to for both ther eis a wishlist bug on it so i just listed the bug08:50
Admiral_Chicagohmm, okay uploading the log08:52
Admiral_Chicagoasac: is that correct?08:54
Admiral_Chicagoteh info I added for Bug #~08:55
Admiral_Chicagoteh info I added for Bug #8517408:55
UbugtuMalone bug 85174 in firefox "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with wmv in html page (dup-of: 85198)" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8517408:55
UbugtuMalone bug 85198 in firefox "[Feisty]  FireFox crashes on trying to open http://www.wretch.cc/blog/cinphy" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8519808:55
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asacAdmiral_Chicago: you didn't run firefox :) ... you have to type08:55
asac(gdb) run08:55
asacin order to startup in debugger08:56
gnomefreakthe debugging output is slim i even tried the "bug way" but cant gen a backtrace i think its because ther eis no crash its just closing08:56
Admiral_Chicagoso in the konsole, I type "firefox (gdb) run"08:57
Admiral_Chicagoas you may have guessed, I never had to do this08:57
asacno ... you started firefox like: firefox -g08:57
asacright?08:57
asacAdmiral_Chicago: actually it would be enough to just start firefox in console and see what happens08:57
gnomefreakcant with gdb firefox command but without gdb you can use the -g08:57
asacon console if it crashes08:58
asacok ... in order to run firefox in debugger:08:58
asacfirefox -g08:58
asac...08:58
asac(gdb) run08:58
asac... (CRASHES)08:58
asac(gdb) bt full08:58
asacfor the basic output08:58
asacthe instruction on wiki is wrong08:58
Admiral_Chicagoi'll update them, i followed teh wiki08:59
asacgood... something like08:59
asacfirefox -g 2>&1 | tee ~/Desktop/gdb-firefox.log08:59
asac...08:59
asac(gdb) run08:59
asac...08:59
asac(gdb) bt full08:59
asacshould be enough for the cases where no normal crash report can be generated09:00
gnomefreaktrying again09:01
Admiral_Chicagoplaying video now...09:01
Admiral_Chicagono crash09:02
asacno crash because of debugger?09:02
asacwhat happens without debugger?09:02
asace.g. just firefox09:02
asacin console09:02
Admiral_Chicagoerr wait, it just crashed after I navigated a few pages away09:03
gnomefreak(gdb) bt full09:03
gnomefreakNo stack.09:03
gnomefreak(gdb)09:03
asacgnomefreak: what are you trying to do?09:03
gnomefreakre running backtrace on the (gdb) bt full09:04
gnomefreakNo stack.09:04
gnomefreak(gdb)09:04
asacyou have a crash or something?09:04
gnomefreakoops09:04
gnomefreakim the one that gave the gdb output on those bugs :) im tryint to rerun it with bt full09:04
gnomefreakand it wont same error if i type backtrace as the bug-squad page says09:05
Admiral_Chicagoi got the output from the konsole with dbg runnig09:05
Admiral_Chicagoi ran firefox -dbg09:05
gnomefreak/usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/totem/libtotem-gmp-plugin.so: undefined symbol: NS_CStringContainerInit   is all i get other than a error code09:05
dfarningasac, do you have a couple of common strings that we can input into bughelper to find thes totem bugs09:05
gnomefreakdfarning: the above might be a good start but i dont know if you will always get that or not09:06
asacnot ... i just assume that most run into this problem (e.g. missing symbol) ... the potential duplicates had no output from console attached iirc09:06
Admiral_Chicagouploaded the file now. let me know if it is correct09:07
asacgnomefreak: ok ... so there is indeed a bug. maybe you can try if the same happens on pages of other totem reports as well?09:07
gnomefreaki did i think i marked 3 as dupes09:07
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gnomefreaki was working on this yesterday09:08
asacdfarning: we should really look if other bugs really end because of undefined symbol09:08
Admiral_Chicagolooks like the crash is after I navigate away from the page...totem can't handle being stopped...09:08
asacAdmiral_Chicago: interesting09:08
asacbut video could be played?09:08
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dfarningok09:09
Admiral_Chicagoasac: it played all the way through, I waited after it stopped (~20 seconds) then navigated away09:09
asacgnomefreak: what combination of totem-mozilla and firefox package have you installed ? how do you get that output09:09
gnomefreaktotem-xine fx 2.0.0.1+1-0ubuntu1 i think09:09
asacwhat versio has totem-mozilla?09:10
gnomefreaki think it has alot to do with wmv files. only thing that can play them is w32codecs iirc09:10
gnomefreak2.17.91-0ubun09:11
gnomefreak2.17.91-0ubuntu209:11
asacwhat page does the crash occur?09:11
gnomefreakhttp://www.wretch.cc/blog/cinphy is one of them09:12
gnomefreaki was able to confirm the bugs is why i got into testing them09:12
asaci don't see a video on it??09:12
gnomefreaknope i dont see it long enough09:13
asacinteresting09:13
gnomefreakthere is a .wmv file i heard09:13
asacmaybe i miss the codec and it doesn't even happen09:13
asachttp://pic5.pic.wretch.cc//photos/icon/site_music/default/90.wma09:13
asacdoes this crash for you alone?09:13
asacAdmiral_Chicago: for you?09:13
gnomefreaknope access denied09:14
asachmmm for me too09:14
gnomefreakim clicking on the inside link09:14
Admiral_Chicagolet me check.09:14
gnomefreakhttp://boa4.wretch.cc:86//photos/icon/site_music/default/90.wma09:14
gnomefreakits taking its time loading09:15
asack09:15
Admiral_Chicagoacess denied on the first one09:15
asacfrom what page did you get that url?09:15
asacgnomefreak: ^^09:15
gnomefreakfrom the page you gave us09:15
gnomefreakhttp://pic5.pic.wretch.cc//photos/icon/site_music/default/90.wma09:16
asacso that one crashes for you?09:16
gnomefreaki see chinese fonts (maybe japenese) and the url stuck in there09:16
asacfor me it takes ages apparently09:16
gnomefreakits not done loading09:16
gnomefreakah ha09:17
asachow long does it take to crash for you on front page?09:17
gnomefreakThe server at boa4.wretch.cc is taking too long to respond.09:17
gnomefreakthe page you gave me didnt crash09:17
gnomefreakinsode the fonts above it said in english access denied09:18
gnomefreakinside09:18
dfarningWhat the bug number you are working on09:18
gnomefreak58174 and its dupes. they are from yesterday09:18
asacbug 8517409:18
gnomefreakremember i was asking for testers09:18
UbugtuMalone bug 85174 in firefox "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with wmv in html page (dup-of: 85198)" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8517409:18
UbugtuMalone bug 85198 in firefox "[Feisty]  FireFox crashes on trying to open http://www.wretch.cc/blog/cinphy" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8519809:18
asacso ... what page crashes for you like this?09:19
dfarningty09:19
Admiral_Chicagoboth pages timed out on me09:19
gnomefreaki crash on the same pages as the users do09:19
Admiral_Chicagobbiab09:20
asachttp://multimedia.repubblica.it/home/55782009:21
asac?09:21
gnomefreakim thinking totem is causing the crash personally totem>crash firefox goes down09:21
gnomefreakyes crash09:21
asack ... trying09:22
dfarning** (totem-plugin-viewer:21483): WARNING **: Mimetype 'video/x-ms-asf' doesn't have a handler09:22
dfarningCompiler did not align stack variables. Libavcodec has been miscompiled09:22
dfarningand may be very slow or crash. This is not a bug in libavcodec,09:22
dfarningbut in the compiler. Do not report crashes to FFmpeg developers.09:22
gnomefreakthere were about 4 links i got to crash on yesterday all seemed to be media releated09:22
dfarningdid you notice this in freddys -gdb09:22
asacdfarning: yes i saw that .... looks a bit scary09:22
asachowever Admiral_Chicago did not get symbol problem09:22
gnomefreaki didnt see that but that looks not so good09:22
asac< gnomefreak> /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error:09:23
asac                    /usr/lib/totem/libtotem-gmp-plugin.so: undefined symbol: NS_CStringContainerInit09:23
gnomefreakthats what i get on all of them09:23
gnomefreakdfarning: where did you get that warning?09:23
asacgnomefreak: yeah ... but never trust the output at compile time09:23
gnomefreaktrue09:23
asacmight as well be really outdated or something09:23
asacgnomefreak: i try to reproduce09:23
dfarningthat last attacment on the bug09:23
asaci get that too ... great!09:23
asac:)09:23
gnomefreak:)09:23
gnomefreakim glad your happy09:24
gnomefreakits like yay i crashed09:24
Admiral_Chicagohaha, lolz09:24
dfarningLook like we can hit up the FFmpeg site for info on this bug09:25
dfarningif they stick in a disclaimer they must a seen it several times09:25
asacgnomefreak: ... there is a help page on firefox for ubuntu ... they claim that upstream firefox would work ... can you confirm that?09:26
asacdoesn't matter ... will have to take a look now :)09:27
dfarningwhere are you finding this string? so: undefined symbol: NS_CStringContainerInit09:28
asacon the console09:28
dfarningso it is not anywhere in the default crash report?09:28
gnomefreakAlexLatchford: confirmed that 3.0 didnt close09:29
asacis this a problem in edgy too?09:29
gnomefreaki am down to onlu ubuntus version due to testing09:29
asacgnomefreak: ok09:29
gnomefreakhe was running edgy09:29
asacyeah ... but he didn't see that messag?09:29
gnomefreakAlexLatchford: didnt get close on any that i did09:29
asacundefined symbol: NS_CStringContainerInit ?09:29
gnomefreakthat means it doesnt happen upstream?09:30
asachave no idea ... thats what is told on the ubuntu help page; but I found it hard to read, so maybe i missed the point09:30
gnomefreakif i find a way where i can set fx to run both upstream or ubuntus without re symlinking than i will run both09:30
dfarninghttp://developer.mozilla.org/xpcom/api/NS_CStringContainerInit info on the call09:31
gnomefreakhmm09:31
asacdfarning: in edgy it does not crash09:32
gnomefreakthat is also a wishlist bug i ran into09:32
asacanyone has still the previous feisty firefox packages in his cache09:32
asacand can downgrade09:32
asacnot that this symbol thing is just a new issue that is introduced by my latest upload09:33
gnomefreaklet me find it but hes pretty much stating to change xpcom to something09:33
asacah09:33
asaci have totem-gstreamer installed here on edgy09:34
asaclets see09:34
gnomefreakhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/62802  guys09:35
UbugtuMalone bug 62802 in firefox "missing static libraries" [Medium,Needs info] 09:35
gnomefreakis it possible if we do that it may not crash?09:36
asacdon't think so09:36
asacits about exporting oly stable api elements09:36
gnomefreakk09:36
asacbut have to think about this09:37
asaccan you please assign to me such bugs?09:37
gnomefreaki was going to but i wanted to ask you first09:37
asacassign how you like ... i mean reassign to team if don't like it :)09:38
=== gnomefreak not sure what ones you wanted off hand
asacwhat a mess ... how to use aptitude to smartly replace totem-gstreamer with totem-xine09:38
gnomefreakasac: sudo apt-get install totem-xine09:38
gnomefreakor aptitude09:39
gnomefreakit will remove totem-gs and install -xine09:39
asacyeah ... but I like aptitude and fear that using apt-get once will mess with the smart features of it :)09:39
gnomefreakthan use smart :)09:39
asacaptitude install totem-xine gives me incomprehensible suggestions09:39
=== gnomefreak for most part dont use apt any more
asacbut non suggestion will install totem-xine09:39
gnomefreakthats aptitde trying to be smarter than it is09:40
gnomefreakIMHO aptitude is always trying to fix depends when it cant09:40
asaci have the feeling that aptitude is somehow right ... mybe totem-xine does not exist in 2.16.2-0ubuntu3 ?09:40
gnomefreakit does09:40
gnomefreakit alteast did09:41
gnomefreakasac: this is up-to-date edgy?09:41
asacyes09:41
gnomefreakits in edgy09:41
gnomefreakthe bot told me so :)09:42
gnomefreak<flood>09:42
gnomefreakgnomefreak+> !info totem-xine09:42
gnomefreak15:41 <           ubotu > totem-xine: A simple media player for the Gnome  desktop based on xine. In component universe, is  optional. Version 2.16.2-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package  size 1076 kB, installed size 5888 kB09:42
gnomefreak<end flood>09:42
asaccrazy ... so totem-xine is in universe for edgy, but in main for feisty?09:43
gnomefreakyes i think let me check mine09:43
gnomefreaknope09:43
gnomefreakuniverse in feisty09:43
asacmaybe then universe was not updates ... and now it is not even possible to isntall it at all?09:43
gnomefreaktotem-xine: *** 2.17.91-0ubuntu2 0 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Packages09:44
gnomefreaktotem-gstreamer= main totem-mozilla:09:44
gnomefreakmain also09:44
gnomefreakxine might be in universe due to the codecs it uses09:45
asaci think i found a suggestion that might work :)09:45
asacAccept this solution? [Y/n/q/?]  y09:45
asacThe following NEW packages will be automatically installed:09:45
asac  libmodplug0c2 libxine1 libxvmc109:45
asacThe following packages will be automatically REMOVED:09:45
asac  totem-gstreamer09:45
asacThe following packages will be DOWNGRADED:09:45
asac  totem totem-mozilla09:45
asacThe following NEW packages will be installed:09:45
asac  libmodplug0c2 libxine1 libxvmc1 totem-xine09:45
asacThe following packages will be REMOVED:09:45
asac  totem-gstreamer09:46
asaccrazy ... isn't it?09:46
gnomefreakthats a bug09:46
asachaha ... now I get a security update available message :)09:46
asacand can actually upgrade09:46
asacfunny09:46
gnomefreakasac: what verision of totem and totem-mozilla are they downgrading to09:46
asac2.16.2-0ubuntu109:47
gnomefreakso it fixes the downgrade?09:47
asaclets see09:47
asacno ... if i run dist-upgrade now ... it will switch back to gstreamer09:48
gnomefreakthats what i thought :(09:48
asacanyway ... good enough to see for now09:49
asacno crash :(09:50
asacbut no video played either09:50
asacmaybe missing codecs09:50
dfarninggnomefreak, have you tried downloading the .file and viewing it with totem?09:51
gnomefreakdfarning: i dont see the page long enough09:51
gnomefreakit closes before its done loading09:51
asacshould probably work ... at least the symbol tries to refer to something mozilla'ish09:51
gnomefreakAlexLatchford: was only one i know ale to view the page09:52
asachttp://mediaserver.kataweb.it/tgrep/reuters/attentatoiran.wmv09:52
asacthis?09:52
gnomefreakasac: libxine-extracodecs09:52
gnomefreakcrash right away09:52
gnomefreaknot even 3seconds worth of loading09:52
dfarninglooks like a bad wmv tht is causing totem to barf;(09:55
dfarningwget http://mediaserver.kataweb.it/tgrep/reuters/attentatoiran.wmv09:55
gnomefreakwhat do we do with bug 6132609:55
UbugtuMalone bug 61326 in firefox "Spell-check for NZ should use En_GB instead of En_US" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6132609:55
dfarningtotem attentatoiran.wmv09:55
dfarningfrezzes totem09:55
gnomefreaktotem cant play wmv file09:56
dfarningnot even with proper codecs09:56
dfarning?09:56
gnomefreakno09:56
gnomefreakw32codecs are the only ones that can play it afaik09:57
dfarningthen how can we expect fx to call totem to play a wmv?09:57
gnomefreakgstrea,er with w32 should play it09:57
gnomefreakgxine plays it09:58
gnomefreakim watching it atm09:58
gnomefreakdont understand it its in arabic09:58
asacwhere can i get libxine-extracodecs09:58
asacin edgy it appears to not exist09:59
gnomefreakasac: multiverse repo09:59
asacah09:59
gnomefreaktotem-xone isnt even listed to open it with09:59
gnomefreakxine09:59
gnomefreaktotem-xine plays it fine10:01
gnomefreakthis is bad10:01
asacso who can either reproduce the crash or play a video with totem-xine in edgy?10:01
gnomefreakthat would mean the site is bad of fx and the site are doing the hokey pokey?10:01
=== gnomefreak paying it in feisty
gnomefreakplaying10:01
asacgnomefreak: the bug is in the totem-mozilla plugin bridge10:01
gnomefreakthat could do it10:01
dfarningthat is my guess too10:02
asacyeah ... but we already know that :)10:02
gnomefreakif you save it and play it its all godd10:02
gnomefreakgood10:02
asacthat is what the missing symbol output tells us (e.g. totem refers to a mozilla symbol for which it cannot find an implementation)10:02
asacanyone has an old firefox version in his apt cache?10:03
asacfor feisty?10:03
=== dfarning no
gnomefreakbug 8561610:04
UbugtuMalone bug 85616 in mozilla-thunderbird "Thunderbird crashed while trying to open a message." [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8561610:04
gnomefreakignore me10:04
gnomefreakbug 6807410:05
UbugtuMalone bug 68074 in curl "Seg fault when connecting" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6807410:05
gnomefreakwtf10:05
gnomefreakthunderbird is freezing up :(10:06
asacbug 68074 ?10:07
UbugtuMalone bug 68074 in curl "Seg fault when connecting" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6807410:07
asacthats not thunderbird related10:07
dfarninghas any one done a retrace -d against the stacktrace10:07
gnomefreakits the email that the guy typed that froze it :(10:08
gnomefreakthere is no stacktrace10:08
asacbbiw ... house cleaning10:09
dfarningIs it possiable to retrace the new feisty type crash reports10:09
gnomefreaki dont think so i think it does it for you (not very well i may add)10:10
dfarning pitti has not yet set up the service;(10:11
dfarningthe info is coming straight from the reporter10:11
gnomefreakthere is no telling where he is at with that.10:12
dfarningI'll follow up -- on my todo10:13
dfarningbtw what is the command you use to run retraces10:14
gnomefreakif you talk to martin bring up everything but he doesnt really seem inerested imho he closed the bug i reported on apport agiast edgy cause it was fixed in feisty :(10:14
dfarningMy impression is that he is very intrested in moving forward in feisty!10:15
gnomefreakapport-retrace -o retrace.crash -v -d _usr_lib....... 2>&1 | tee retrace.log10:15
dfarningty10:15
dfarningjust unable to make it work on edgy;)10:15
gnomefreakdfarning: that makes a seperate file retrace.crash so it doesnt touch the _usr_one10:15
=== gnomefreak tired of trying to get feisty apps running in edgy when edgys should run in it
dfarningI feel you pain10:17
dfarningIn terms of developer resources I think nearly all of the effort is going towards feisty10:18
dfarningreally leaves us bug fixers hanging;(10:18
Admiral_Chicagoyea there is a lot going on for feisty.10:18
dfarningI'll go look into apport10:20
gnomefreakbtw dfarning i need to get with you on something when you have  aminute i had it added to the agenda but more i think about it we can see what we can do out of meeting10:20
dfarningI think that we can consider bughelper blocked until apport is fixed10:21
gnomefreakcorrect10:21
dfarninggnomefreak, on irc?10:21
gnomefreaksure10:21
dfarningwhat is up?10:21
gnomefreakim gonna ping mark about taking https://launchpad.net/thunderbird/10:21
gnomefreakwhat is your opinion on it10:21
Admiral_Chicagognomefreak: sec.10:22
dfarningabout reassigning to mozilla team?10:22
gnomefreakatleast adding us to bug contact10:22
gnomefreakwe cant edit that page only a few people cacn10:22
gnomefreakcan10:22
gnomefreakthis is AlexLatchford's idea10:22
Admiral_Chicagoi'd request bugs to get fowarded to -bugs ML10:22
dfarningthat is a good idea10:23
gnomefreakk10:23
gnomefreakso have mozilla-bugs or mozillateam-bugs put in there?10:23
dfarningthere is no reason he should be worring about details  like tb10:23
Admiral_Chicagoi don't think that team is really doing anything though...more like just registered as a precaution10:24
gnomefreaktb needs loving though10:24
gnomefreakAdmiral_Chicago: no but it puts our team out there is all this should do10:24
dfarninghey when did I assign launchpad.net/firefox to MT?10:25
Admiral_Chicagowell 27 bug reports. take that for what you will10:25
gnomefreakdfarning: im thinking all the bugs you have assigned to mozillateam should be pushed over to mozillateam-bugs this should cut down on the duplicate emails we get10:27
dfarningwhat is the difference bewteen https://launchpad.net/thunderbird/ and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/10:27
dfarningI don't under stand the difference.10:27
gnomefreakdfarning: the first one is just a page doesnt do anything but tell people about it10:27
AlexLatchfordmeh?10:29
dfarningbut they have diffent bug at least the firefox pages do.10:29
gnomefreakhttps://launchpad.net/thunderbird/ == pretty much nothing just to get our name out there would be the only thing it does10:29
asacdfarning:  https://launchpad.net/thunderbird/ is the upstream product not the ubuntu package afaik10:30
dfarningI have asked the LP team to reassing the bug to -bugs10:30
asacif you go to bugs from there you will only see those bugs that are known from upstream (e.g. by adding them as upstream bug to ubuntu bugs)10:30
dfarningok so once they are pushed upstream they are added to launchpad.net/firefox10:31
asacyep10:31
asacthat happens automatically10:31
dfarningshit i've been tring to figure out the difference for weeks;)10:32
asacits quite unfortunate10:32
asacsometimes you end up on the top level product page10:32
asacand there is no obvious way to go back10:32
asace.g. when you assign an upstream url in bug ... then suddenly you are not in the ubuntu package page anymore, but the thunderbird one ... quite confusing.10:33
dfarningty for explaining10:33
=== dfarning been lost before
asacactually there is some quite nice feature in launchpad for scheduling upstream triage10:34
AlexLatchfordgnomefreak: would you be interested in using the new Meeting Bot tomorrow, I think there will be someone from the Scribes team there present to deal with any issues also10:34
asacyou set upstream bug, but don't set an url10:34
gnomefreakwe can try it10:34
Admiral_Chicagognomefreak: do we need to play with chan settings for that?10:34
gnomefreakworking on something to clean up email for me10:34
gnomefreakAdmiral_Chicago: for what?10:34
asacwhere is the agenda?10:35
Admiral_Chicagoto allow a bot ?10:35
=== Admiral_Chicago doesn't know too much about bots
gnomefreakhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Meetings10:35
gnomefreakAdmiral_Chicago: shouldnt10:35
dfarningreguarrd bug assignment: does it make more sense to have triages assign bugs to themselve for better continunity with reporter?10:35
Admiral_Chicagogood10:35
asacwhy do you want to take over the thunderbird package from mark? what is the difference from a technical pov?10:36
dfarningMT could maintain the page10:36
asacwe can't atm?10:37
AlexLatchfordAdmiral_Chicago: no it just comes in, gnomefreak will be the meeting chair so he can control it10:37
AlexLatchfordgnomefreak: I will forward you the command list in a sec10:37
dfarningno we do not have admin rights on launchpad.net/thunderbird10:37
gnomefreakalook10:37
asacdfarning: ok i see10:38
AlexLatchfordgnomefreak: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot10:38
Admiral_Chicagonice, i like it10:39
gnomefreakwhat is the trigger?10:39
dfarninggnomefreak, you are unsubscribing;(10:39
gnomefreakdfarning: i resubscribed10:39
gnomefreakim trying to get everything to one email10:39
AlexLatchfordgnomefreak: trigger?10:39
dfarninggnomefreak, differnet mail;)10:39
gnomefreakAlexLatchford: yes like ubugtus trigger is @10:39
gnomefreakor just type #startmeeeting10:40
AlexLatchfordgnomefreak: don't think there is one, just the commands listed as far as I know10:40
AlexLatchfordyeah I believe so10:40
gnomefreak[topic] ?10:40
gnomefreakAlexLatchford: how to know what topic its gonna recored10:40
AlexLatchford[topic]  Discussion of the Mozilla Team Council10:40
gnomefreakoh type the topic10:40
AlexLatchfordadd in the title after the command10:41
AlexLatchford:P10:41
AlexLatchfordyeah10:41
gnomefreakis there a universe command or all topics?10:41
gnomefreaki dont really see a need for it to record one topic over another10:42
gnomefreakdfarning: god i hope this worked :)10:42
gnomefreakwait a minute is this bot gonna echo everything?10:43
AlexLatchfordgnomefreak: its more to help me summarising things, it produces a formatted minutes afterwards10:43
AlexLatchfordthat follows the standard specs that the Scribes Team have set in place10:43
dfarninggnomefreak, any thought on my up/down stream blurb?10:44
gnomefreakok but [topic]  bleh topic1 i woul dhave to do that for each topic or will #startmeeting do it all for me10:44
gnomefreakdfarning: no :( see before i get all the info i look for upstream bug find it attach it but if ther eis no upstream bug what would we need to know (what classifies all info)10:45
AlexLatchfordno you would have to do it for each topic in turn10:45
AlexLatchfordthen initialise a vote if necessary10:45
AlexLatchfordwe can then say +1, -1 etc10:45
gnomefreakok just make sure it doesnt echo the full meeting10:45
AlexLatchfordit can calculate it10:46
AlexLatchfordaha okay10:46
gnomefreakguys the meeting is gonna go slow tomorrow10:46
dfarningthat why god invented coffee;)10:46
gnomefreak:)10:46
gnomefreakio have to figure out bot and chair ;)10:47
gnomefreak-o10:47
dfarninggnomefreak, so do an upstream search early on?10:47
gnomefreakcan do it just i may have to pause to turn feature on (should be automated)10:47
gnomefreakdfarning: yes10:47
gnomefreakanytime i can find upstream i push it10:47
gnomefreakit adds another tab i have open and pisses me off but it works :)10:48
gnomefreakAlexLatchford: we will try it out10:48
AlexLatchfordwell gnomefreak all you have to do is at the start type #startmeeting, for each new topic say [TOPIC]  <Topic Description>,  [VOTE]  <Vote title>, [ACTION]  <action needed> then #endmeeting10:48
AlexLatchfordlol10:48
dfarningI am hoping to  get apport working enough that we have good info to push up10:49
dfarningwith out much work10:49
gnomefreakcan i turn them all on ectep for topic at the beginning?10:49
gnomefreakor all three actions for each topic10:49
gnomefreaklike i said we can try it (i would rather not in a long meeting have this make the meeting that much longer)10:51
dfarningall info = everything we would need to start working on the bug ourselves10:51
gnomefreakbot should beable to search for words and automaticly turn on an option10:51
gnomefreaki still think adding a few tags wouldnt hurt and get asac's opinion on changing it to confirmed10:52
gnomefreaki will brb10:52
dfarningI don't want to be getting crap reports from our downstream:) we get enough of that from our own users10:53
asacgnomefreak: the problem with adding too much tags is that things are getting complicated10:53
asacand people will do it wrong10:53
asacwe should try to keep amount of tags to minimum10:53
asacof course if something is needed it has to be added.10:54
dfarningwe must also consider that fx has been with out a maintainer for a long time10:55
dfarningonce we get the backlog down it won't appear quit as awful!10:55
asacdfarning: yes thats important ... the point is that bug handling has been without direction. we have to clean up a lot ... there should be lots of duplicates or bugs that don't exist any longer10:55
asaconce we are done ... we have more experience and less traffic on bugs ml10:56
dfarningasac, agree.  that Is why I am pushing apport and bughelper so hard.  to identify dups quickly10:57
asaccan bug helper look into attachements too?10:57
dfarningyep?10:57
asacok ... so for crashers we can look for stacktrace elements ?10:58
dfarningit caches appachement locally so they don't get downloaded every time10:58
dfarningyes10:58
gnomefreakok we can use mt-wishlist because not everyone can chage to wishlist (or importance in general) we need some way of knowing what bugs we sent upstream (will help in bughelper) not real sure why there are to test tags10:58
dfarningmy attachment cache is 2.5g and growing10:59
asacwishlist bugs are something special10:59
asacwe have the obligation to not forward arbitrary wishes to bugzilla10:59
gnomefreakasac: you are only person that can ack a wishlist in mozilla10:59
gnomefreakunless i assign all wishlists to you instead of tagging them11:00
AlexLatchfordgnomefreak: this is what the bot outputs, http://cjo20.net/bot/ubuntu-scribes.20070205_2003.html11:00
dfarningasac, once we get apport and retrace working we can easily the same strings in any attachments11:00
asacin general we have a NO rule for wishlist bugs.11:00
asacsay, they should try to get feedback on mozillazine first ... and if there is lot of applaude, go to bugzilla11:01
asacdfarning: thats good ... crashers will have lots of duplicates.11:01
asacthough on the long run ihope that we will move those crashers out of our normal bug system11:02
asacsomething like a talkback database11:02
dfarningasac, agree but let's not kill Martin quite yet;)11:03
asacsure :)11:03
gnomefreakasac: not all wishlists are for upstream though some are just for ubuntu firefox or like adding another mozilla product or whatever they are. we need to give these attention IMHO either reject or approve or needs more info11:04
asacgnomefreak: right ... i referred to application feature bugs11:04
dfarningonce we can prove how valuable apport and bughelper can be. We can start pushing for crash system.11:04
asacgnomefreak: exception: in case that is something gnome/desktop integration specific11:04
asacand of course if its ubuntu packaging related11:05
gnomefreakasac: my my idea of mt-wishlist would give you a way to work on wishlists without going through all bugs to find them11:05
dfarningWhere would user request feature on mozillazine?11:05
asacimo initial screening should only be done by QA members ... they should propely set severity to wishlist11:06
gnomefreakexample adding a depend to firefox wishlist ok fine we can do that but your ack would make it go better11:06
asacdfarning: they don't request it ... they might discuss it there first11:06
asacgnomefreak: imo ... wishlist bugs in need info state should directly pass to tag mt-needconfirm11:07
gnomefreakasac: we try to but say dfarning doesnt have qa access how is he gonna mark it a wishlist if noone is around? he tags it and we get to it when we are around11:07
gnomefreakwe dont have that tag on the wikis11:07
asacthat tag will be monitored by me or any other who feels safe in judging whether there is enough info available for further processing.11:07
asacwe talked yesterday about that tag11:07
gnomefreakk11:07
asacwill discuss tomorrow :)11:07
gnomefreakah didnt see you added that11:08
gnomefreak:)11:08
gnomefreakimo we need to start signing our agenda items11:09
gnomefreaklike who added tb 2.0 topic?11:09
asacack11:09
gnomefreakit has to be declined11:09
asacat best with a short summary11:09
gnomefreakcant get it in feisty11:09
gnomefreakthings like that shouldnt make it to meeting IMHO11:10
gnomefreakonly way it makes it in feisty is an outside repo be it mozillateam repo or someones personal one11:11
asacif someone feels that this is worth discussing, i don't have something against it11:11
asacat least it will be documented properly11:11
asacin minutes11:11
gnomefreaktrue if i can figure the bot out :)11:11
AlexLatchford:P11:12
asacThe necessity of packaging extensions.11:12
asacwhat does that mean?11:12
gnomefreakdont know11:12
asachttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Meetings11:12
gnomefreaki added my name to what i added11:13
dfarningsorry, that was me11:13
gnomefreaki suggest everyone does that so we can atleast look to the person at the meeting11:13
dfarningshould we even package extension or should the user grab them from upstream11:13
gnomefreakif someone figures out how to get @sig@ to work let me know it never works for me11:13
gnomefreakah good11:14
asac@sig@ ?11:14
gnomefreakthat is one i would like to discuss11:14
asacdfarning:  ok11:14
gnomefreakasac: to sign wikis @sig@ will sing your name and date added11:14
gnomefreakshould11:14
asacdate? why that?11:14
gnomefreakits automatic with @sig@11:14
gnomefreakmaybe for leftover topics11:15
asacyeah ... but is it of help here?11:15
asacyou will always see that last editor, right?11:15
gnomefreakasac: but that would mean you would have to go back page by page to find out what the person added unless you are subscibed.  most if not all use @sig@ when adding agenda items. but at the very least adding your name to the agenda item is good so atelast we can ask the person at the meeting instead of searching for it in backlogs11:17
gnomefreakteams*11:17
AlexLatchfordgnomefreak: I have added that to the page now11:17
gnomefreaki saw. the locks are messed up lately11:18
asacgnomefreak: now i got it :)11:18
asacedit conflict?11:19
AlexLatchfordasac: yeah I added something to the page a minute ago11:19
gnomefreakbecause i saved it but the lock never released and AlexLatchford changed it11:19
asacok11:19
gnomefreakAlexLatchford: let me know if you get the edit conflict gone11:20
gnomefreakif not i will11:20
AlexLatchfordyeah i will :P11:20
dfarninghey, what happened to my bits about naming consistancy11:20
asacon the meeting page?11:20
dfarningyes11:20
gnomefreaki dont remembe rit11:20
asacapparently gone too :)11:21
gnomefreakremember*11:21
asacwhat was it about?11:21
gnomefreakadd it again when alex is done11:21
AlexLatchford2 secs11:21
dfarningfirefox vs mozilla-firefox and thunderbird vs mozilla-thunderbird11:21
AlexLatchforddfarning: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Meetings11:21
AlexLatchfordim done :)11:21
AlexLatchfordreadd it, I havent seen it11:21
gnomefreak    *11:22
gnomefreak          o11:22
gnomefreakchecking bug DB consistency.11:22
gnomefreakthat?11:22
asacthats mine11:22
dfarningtry looking up firefox in synaptic some stuff is called firefox* some mozilla-firefox*11:23
dfarningsame with thunderbird11:23
gnomefreakdfarning: i moved that into one11:23
gnomefreakdfarning: there was a wishlist bug on it11:24
gnomefreakabout dropping mozilla-thunderbird to just thunderbird and just use firefox11:24
=== dfarning see the wishlist
dfarningsees11:24
gnomefreakasac: hers one for you :) bug 8587811:24
UbugtuMalone bug 85878 in firefox "NoDesktopFile:  Firefox safe mode" [Wishlist,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8587811:25
gnomefreakdfarning: i thought poningru added them11:25
gnomefreaki personally dont like the idea of having a desktop file for safemode11:25
=== dfarning will take responibility for his crimes in the future.
gnomefreakcluttering of menus is bad enough11:26
=== gnomefreak ran out of ways to ask why is this wishlist imporant to ubuntu/firefox without sounding like a dick
dfarningsounds like  extension need better qa upstream11:28
=== dfarning off to dinner
=== gnomefreak off to dinner too
asack11:32
gnomefreakbtw ther eis also one about adding colorzilla to ubuntu11:32
asacdoes debian have it?11:33
gnomefreakdidnt look i doubt  it11:33
gnomefreakno they dont11:39
gnomefreakok does to dinner now11:39
asaci think native extensions should be packaged ... while non-native extensions should stay out of our archive11:47
asacmaybe we can at some point ship important non-native extensions as unmodified xpi.11:48
asaccolorzilla is a native one? it contains a .so file, right?11:51

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