[12:57] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: i'm on feisty if you need anything
[12:58] <Admiral_Chicago> 14:41 < gnomefreak> whos using feisty?
[12:58] <Admiral_Chicago> 14:41 < gnomefreak> whos using feisty?
[12:58] <dfarning> since herd 3 on my laptop
[12:58] <Admiral_Chicago> i've got the latest as of today
[12:59] <dfarning> only way to get the touchpad to work;(
[12:59] <dfarning> or suspend
[12:59] <dfarning> or bluetooth mouse
[12:59] <dfarning> or ...
[12:59] <Admiral_Chicago> really? might want to document that with laptop team
[01:00] <dfarning> I bought the laptop in Late December so the hardware is pretty new
[01:01] <Admiral_Chicago> ah yea, it'll take a while. When I buy a new laptop, I'm going to try to boot Ubuntu off the display model
[01:01] <dfarning> Drivers likely did not exit when edgy went out the door
[01:02] <dfarning> makes sense
[01:02] <dfarning> whatch the sales guy freak out;)
[01:02] <Admiral_Chicago> dfarning: hehe, gotta know what I'm buying. Plus, I tend to hate sales people...mostly because I know more than they do
[01:03] <dfarning> yeah best buy is the worst
[01:04] <Admiral_Chicago> oh tell me about it. I saw a kid working for their Geek Squad that was in the same programming class as me.
[01:05] <Admiral_Chicago> while I was working on the physics engine for my 2D shooter, he was looking up flash games
[01:05] <dfarning> I had a guy tell me c was a dead language;)
[01:06] <dfarning> no need to do backups anymore becuase new harddrive are so reliable;)
[01:06] <Admiral_Chicago> dfarning: i had a guy tell me FORTRAN was a dead language.
[01:07] <Admiral_Chicago> that's why i'm using it right now...
[01:07] <dfarning> Be nice to fortran it was my first language
[01:07] <dfarning> what are you using it for
[01:08] <dfarning> in the late 80's it was all the rage in engineering circles
[01:09] <Admiral_Chicago> dfarning: protein folding prokect.
[01:10] <Admiral_Chicago> FORTRAN is awesome. someone had a problem compilying their code on their non-free machine so I told them to just apt-get install g77 and compile it.
[01:11] <dfarning> funny and ironic
[01:14] <Admiral_Chicago> could you look at the -bugs ML
[01:14] <dfarning> what is up?
[01:15] <Admiral_Chicago> what do I do with that, defer?
[01:15] <Admiral_Chicago> oh I see
[01:16] <dfarning> oh you got a message about dealing with a mail message
[01:17] <Admiral_Chicago> the original bug report was too long
[01:19] <dfarning> looks like some one sent the report to the mailing list rather then adding to lp
[01:20] <Admiral_Chicago> no it's on LP, john looked at it.
[01:20] <Admiral_Chicago> what happened was since they tried to comment teh whole report, ML caught it.
[01:21] <Admiral_Chicago> someone just did that too, IMO we should just defer them
[01:21] <dfarning> ah lp forwarded the bug to the ml
[01:21] <dfarning> yes agree defer
[01:22] <dfarning> attachment don't get forwarded
[01:22] <dfarning> but discriptions and comments do
[01:33] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: sorry already taken care of :)
[01:33] <Admiral_Chicago> okay cool
[01:42] <gnomefreak> who wants to see something funny than crash :(. i have a bug you go to this link and it crashes but read what it says before it closes and tell me if you think its supposed to close afterwards. http://hereisyourpolicebrutality.ytmnd.com/  try on feisty and edgy if you got it
[01:44] <gnomefreak> i wish mozilla would either have crashes or closing but not both :(
[01:44] <gnomefreak> ill be back in morning
[01:55] <Admiral_Chicago> omg who ever wrote that is not a good programmer
[01:57] <Admiral_Chicago> no crash for me gnomefreak
[01:57] <gnomefreak> no close?
[01:58] <Admiral_Chicago> nope
[01:59] <Admiral_Chicago> Version: 2.0.0.1+1-0ubuntu1
[01:59] <gnomefreak> flash9?
[01:59] <Admiral_Chicago> yes
[01:59] <Admiral_Chicago> Version: 9.0.31.0.1ubuntu1
[01:59] <gnomefreak> hmmmm it closes here
[02:00] <gnomefreak> java?
[02:00] <Admiral_Chicago> not sure if I have it...
[02:00] <gnomefreak> java -version
[02:02] <Admiral_Chicago> java version "1.4.2"
[02:02] <Admiral_Chicago> gij --version
[02:02] <Admiral_Chicago> gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.1.2
[02:02] <Admiral_Chicago> so, that might be of use
[02:05] <gnomefreak> that might be it :)
[02:05] <gnomefreak> can you try with normal java installed see if you still get away with it. also do you have NoScript?
[02:06] <Admiral_Chicago> noscript is *not* installed on my system
[02:06] <Admiral_Chicago> which one is regular java?
[02:09] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: sun-java6-plugin  or sun-java5-plugin  than change it in update-alternatives to use the sun-java one
[02:10] <gnomefreak> im using sun-java6-plugin and it closes
[02:10] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: do you see any type of file or anything else that might cause it on that site?
[02:11] <Admiral_Chicago> no, it's only javascript
[02:11] <Admiral_Chicago> i read the page source
[02:13] <gnomefreak> that might be it than. i cant find the bug now :(
[02:14] <Admiral_Chicago> yea...i dunno what to do with that. blame the web page?
[02:19] <gnomefreak> i would but im seeing alot of that tonight
[02:21] <Admiral_Chicago> ah, hmm, you recently changed the plugin?
[02:21] <gnomefreak> no its not me
[02:21] <gnomefreak> im testing others crashes
[02:22] <Admiral_Chicago> ah, i see
[02:22] <Admiral_Chicago> bbl
[02:22] <gnomefreak> most were due to .wmv files and totem not being ablet o open them
[05:39] <rhelmer> gnomefreak: hey
[05:39] <rhelmer> gnomefreak: i do both ff and tb releases, among other random things
[05:40] <rhelmer> (mozilla.org releases i mean)
[05:40] <poningru> :p
[05:40] <poningru> dude put your -afk here too
[10:22] <Admiral_Chicago> i can't find 2.0.0.2...I want to try it out.
[10:22] <Admiral_Chicago> maybe mozilla has an SVN or something
[10:23] <Admiral_Chicago> whatever, it's way too late for all this
[10:33] <AlexLatchford> gnomefreak: Can you try to write a short guide on Bug Fixing, the process needed sometime in the future?
[10:33] <AlexLatchford> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Develop
[10:34] <AlexLatchford> So people can jump in and submit patches that are useful and how to test them etc.
[10:47] <poningru> ...
[10:47] <poningru> Admiral_Chicago: its on the ftp
[02:44] <gnomefreak> k i think im awake for a little while
[02:44] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: what do you mean bug fixing?
[02:45] <AlexLatchford> well like patching etc, what needs to be done to pick up a patch froma bug report, and test it
[02:45] <gnomefreak> i can try im no expert by any means
[02:46] <AlexLatchford> hmm okay
[02:50] <gnomefreak> for testing patches it a simple command ( i have to ask asac for the command as it seems to be the one i didnt wring down. adding pactches to the build process is fairly easy though
[02:53] <gnomefreak> anyone know anything about nss signtool?
[03:23] <AlexLatchford> Anyone object to me rejecting bug 14911 as it isn't a firefox bug, merely a flash bug and its been fixed in Flash 9
[03:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 14911 in firefox "Flash plugin problem with ARGB visuals causes crash" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14911
[03:29] <gnomefreak> only issue i see with that is its still open upstream
[03:45] <gnomefreak> should we ask the users to file upstream or should we be doing it for them? they know more about the bug than we do if we cant reproduce it.
[03:58] <gnomefreak> poningru: you here?
[04:01] <AlexLatchford> gnomefreak: As far as I can see everyone who has switched to Flash 9 is now not experiencing any problems, thus I believe it was a flash bug
[04:02] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: i agree im not sure what upstream is doing. i would have to say check with crimson he might know better what is going on
[04:02] <AlexLatchford> hmm okay
[04:12] <gnomefreak> we could really use a mt-waitingforupstream tag i have been tagging and marking them as needsinfo but im not sure if that is fitting
[04:30] <AlexLatchford> hmm
[04:31] <AlexLatchford> think we need to get this page changed
[04:31] <AlexLatchford> https://launchpad.net/thunderbird/
[04:31] <AlexLatchford> set the Bug Contact as Mozilla Bugs
[04:36] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: set it for agenda for the meeting me or david will work on it
[04:37] <AlexLatchford> okay
[04:56] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: care to look at bug 58008  im not real sure what to do. there is no upstream bug to that affect but there is 1 upstream bug on training.dat file in tb
[04:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58008 in mozilla-thunderbird "mozilla-thunderbird freezes after downloading mail" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58008
[04:56] <AlexLatchford> okay
[04:56] <AlexLatchford> https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/48401
[04:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48401 in thunderbird "dapper thunderbird opens new folder view on ^M" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[04:57] <AlexLatchford> this bug is confusing me,
[04:57] <gnomefreak> k
[04:57] <AlexLatchford> ^M means Ctrl+M right?
[04:58] <gnomefreak> yep i would reject it as not enough info to continue
[04:58] <gnomefreak> there was no upstream bug defined so i rejected the upstream
[04:59] <gnomefreak> both
[04:59] <AlexLatchford> hmm, well Ctrl+M Minimizes the text to fit the window.
[04:59] <gnomefreak> fixed
[05:00] <gnomefreak> hes stating ^M opens mail
[05:00] <gnomefreak> the ubuntu task was rejected and neither of the upstream tasks defined bugs
[05:00] <AlexLatchford> https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bugs
[05:00] <AlexLatchford> meh oh well
[05:00] <AlexLatchford> which package are these bugs relating too?
[05:01] <gnomefreak> i wouls say thunderbird for the most part
[05:02] <AlexLatchford> well yeah, but there isn't a thunderbird package
[05:02] <AlexLatchford> its mozilla-thunderbird
[05:02] <AlexLatchford> we really need to sort out this naming soon
[05:02] <gnomefreak> correct but upstream is thunderbird not mozilla-thunderboird
[05:03] <AlexLatchford> I dont see why we dont change it to be thunderbird then
[05:03] <AlexLatchford> or are we?
[05:03] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: the naming for mozilla-thunderbird is fine just we have firefox and mozilla-firefox that i think we can condence
[05:03] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: i believe thunderbird and firefox should be final names
[05:04] <AlexLatchford> final names?
[05:04] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: drop mozilla from the names
[05:04] <gnomefreak> and ubuntu would just have firefox and thunderbird
[05:04] <AlexLatchford> hmm okay
[05:04] <gnomefreak> mozilla-* is a transitional package
[05:04] <AlexLatchford> so why are we renaming firefox back to mozilla-firefox then?
[05:04] <gnomefreak> i wouldnt
[05:05] <gnomefreak> poningru: wants to
[05:05] <AlexLatchford> right okay
[05:06] <gnomefreak> he had one on there for thunderbird too but i removed it since there is no thunderbird package only a mozilla-thunderbird. but in the meeting i will bring up what i feel should be dine with both packages
[05:07] <AlexLatchford> hmm okay
[05:08] <AlexLatchford> just think we need to sort out the naming throughout of thunderbird, firefox, flash plugins because its complicated as to exactly which is being maintained and which people should be using
[05:09] <gnomefreak> i agree
[05:13] <gnomefreak> poningru: dont panic i removed the 2 agenda points you added adn condenced them into one
[05:13] <gnomefreak> hostal takeover of mark?
[05:13] <gnomefreak> lol
[05:17] <AlexLatchford> lol yes of course
[06:36] <poningru> I do?
[06:36] <poningru> I wanna rename it?
[08:33] <asac> hello :-P
[08:34] <asac> anyone has feisty installed and can test bug 85174
[08:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85174 in firefox "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with wmv in html page (dup-of: 85198)" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85174
[08:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85198 in firefox "[Feisty]  FireFox crashes on trying to open http://www.wretch.cc/blog/cinphy" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85198
[08:34] <asac> looks like totem requires some symbol that is not exported by firefox.
[08:34] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: i can try
[08:35] <asac> if its really a bug, than it should be 100% reproducible ... if you have mozilla-totem installed
[08:35] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: great.
[08:35] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't have that installed, i used mplayer-plugin
[08:36] <asac> would you mind to use it for a minute :) ?
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> so it works in mplayer-plugin. I'll install totem now
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> err take that back, i use VLC
[08:37] <asac> if we can reproduce, then we can nail down :) .... guess most crashes with totem should be due to this problem
[08:37] <asac> does totem (plugin) ship in main or universe?
[08:39] <Admiral_Chicago> main
[08:43] <Admiral_Chicago> btw. I got this at apt-cache show firefox
[08:43] <Admiral_Chicago> Bugs: mailto:ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
[08:44] <asac> hmmm ... maybe not so bad :) ... users should first try to argue on ml if this is a bug at all :) ... but I guess if they look at apt-cache show they already know what they are doing.
[08:46] <Admiral_Chicago> From: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion "The Totem video plugin doesn't seem to work with Firefox 2.x. You may want to install package mozilla-mplayer instead before you start."
[08:48] <Admiral_Chicago> yup, that page made Fx crash
[08:48] <asac> output on console?
[08:49] <Admiral_Chicago> didn't open from konsole but I have my dbg files, let me run teh command
[08:50] <asac> just want to know if its really the missing symbol
[08:50] <Admiral_Chicago> ah i see what I did wrong..
[08:50] <gnomefreak> poningru: already  renamed to for both ther eis a wishlist bug on it so i just listed the bug
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, okay uploading the log
[08:54] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: is that correct?
[08:55] <Admiral_Chicago> teh info I added for Bug #~
[08:55] <Admiral_Chicago> teh info I added for Bug #85174
[08:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85174 in firefox "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with wmv in html page (dup-of: 85198)" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85174
[08:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85198 in firefox "[Feisty]  FireFox crashes on trying to open http://www.wretch.cc/blog/cinphy" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85198
[08:55] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: you didn't run firefox :) ... you have to type
[08:55] <asac> (gdb) run
[08:56] <asac> in order to startup in debugger
[08:56] <gnomefreak> the debugging output is slim i even tried the "bug way" but cant gen a backtrace i think its because ther eis no crash its just closing
[08:57] <Admiral_Chicago> so in the konsole, I type "firefox (gdb) run"
[08:57] <Admiral_Chicago> as you may have guessed, I never had to do this
[08:57] <asac> no ... you started firefox like: firefox -g
[08:57] <asac> right?
[08:57] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: actually it would be enough to just start firefox in console and see what happens
[08:57] <gnomefreak> cant with gdb firefox command but without gdb you can use the -g
[08:58] <asac> on console if it crashes
[08:58] <asac> ok ... in order to run firefox in debugger:
[08:58] <asac> firefox -g
[08:58] <asac> ...
[08:58] <asac> (gdb) run
[08:58] <asac> ... (CRASHES)
[08:58] <asac> (gdb) bt full
[08:58] <asac> for the basic output
[08:58] <asac> the instruction on wiki is wrong
[08:59] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll update them, i followed teh wiki
[08:59] <asac> good... something like
[08:59] <asac> firefox -g 2>&1 | tee ~/Desktop/gdb-firefox.log
[08:59] <asac> ...
[08:59] <asac> (gdb) run
[08:59] <asac> ...
[08:59] <asac> (gdb) bt full
[09:00] <asac> should be enough for the cases where no normal crash report can be generated
[09:01] <gnomefreak> trying again
[09:01] <Admiral_Chicago> playing video now...
[09:02] <Admiral_Chicago> no crash
[09:02] <asac> no crash because of debugger?
[09:02] <asac> what happens without debugger?
[09:02] <asac> e.g. just firefox
[09:02] <asac> in console
[09:03] <Admiral_Chicago> err wait, it just crashed after I navigated a few pages away
[09:03] <gnomefreak> (gdb) bt full
[09:03] <gnomefreak> No stack.
[09:03] <gnomefreak> (gdb)
[09:03] <asac> gnomefreak: what are you trying to do?
[09:04] <gnomefreak> re running backtrace on the (gdb) bt full
[09:04] <gnomefreak> No stack.
[09:04] <gnomefreak> (gdb)
[09:04] <asac> you have a crash or something?
[09:04] <gnomefreak> oops
[09:04] <gnomefreak> im the one that gave the gdb output on those bugs :) im tryint to rerun it with bt full
[09:05] <gnomefreak> and it wont same error if i type backtrace as the bug-squad page says
[09:05] <Admiral_Chicago> i got the output from the konsole with dbg runnig
[09:05] <Admiral_Chicago> i ran firefox -dbg
[09:05] <gnomefreak> /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/totem/libtotem-gmp-plugin.so: undefined symbol: NS_CStringContainerInit   is all i get other than a error code
[09:05] <dfarning> asac, do you have a couple of common strings that we can input into bughelper to find thes totem bugs
[09:06] <gnomefreak> dfarning: the above might be a good start but i dont know if you will always get that or not
[09:06] <asac> not ... i just assume that most run into this problem (e.g. missing symbol) ... the potential duplicates had no output from console attached iirc
[09:07] <Admiral_Chicago> uploaded the file now. let me know if it is correct
[09:07] <asac> gnomefreak: ok ... so there is indeed a bug. maybe you can try if the same happens on pages of other totem reports as well?
[09:07] <gnomefreak> i did i think i marked 3 as dupes
[09:08] <gnomefreak> i was working on this yesterday
[09:08] <asac> dfarning: we should really look if other bugs really end because of undefined symbol
[09:08] <Admiral_Chicago> looks like the crash is after I navigate away from the page...totem can't handle being stopped...
[09:08] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: interesting
[09:08] <asac> but video could be played?
[09:09] <dfarning> ok
[09:09] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: it played all the way through, I waited after it stopped (~20 seconds) then navigated away
[09:09] <asac> gnomefreak: what combination of totem-mozilla and firefox package have you installed ? how do you get that output
[09:09] <gnomefreak> totem-xine fx 2.0.0.1+1-0ubuntu1 i think
[09:10] <asac> what versio has totem-mozilla?
[09:10] <gnomefreak> i think it has alot to do with wmv files. only thing that can play them is w32codecs iirc
[09:11] <gnomefreak> 2.17.91-0ubun
[09:11] <gnomefreak> 2.17.91-0ubuntu2
[09:11] <asac> what page does the crash occur?
[09:12] <gnomefreak> http://www.wretch.cc/blog/cinphy is one of them
[09:12] <gnomefreak> i was able to confirm the bugs is why i got into testing them
[09:12] <asac> i don't see a video on it??
[09:13] <gnomefreak> nope i dont see it long enough
[09:13] <asac> interesting
[09:13] <gnomefreak> there is a .wmv file i heard
[09:13] <asac> maybe i miss the codec and it doesn't even happen
[09:13] <asac> http://pic5.pic.wretch.cc//photos/icon/site_music/default/90.wma
[09:13] <asac> does this crash for you alone?
[09:13] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: for you?
[09:14] <gnomefreak> nope access denied
[09:14] <asac> hmmm for me too
[09:14] <gnomefreak> im clicking on the inside link
[09:14] <Admiral_Chicago> let me check.
[09:14] <gnomefreak> http://boa4.wretch.cc:86//photos/icon/site_music/default/90.wma
[09:15] <gnomefreak> its taking its time loading
[09:15] <asac> k
[09:15] <Admiral_Chicago> acess denied on the first one
[09:15] <asac> from what page did you get that url?
[09:15] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^
[09:15] <gnomefreak> from the page you gave us
[09:16] <gnomefreak> http://pic5.pic.wretch.cc//photos/icon/site_music/default/90.wma
[09:16] <asac> so that one crashes for you?
[09:16] <gnomefreak> i see chinese fonts (maybe japenese) and the url stuck in there
[09:16] <asac> for me it takes ages apparently
[09:16] <gnomefreak> its not done loading
[09:17] <gnomefreak> ah ha
[09:17] <asac> how long does it take to crash for you on front page?
[09:17] <gnomefreak> The server at boa4.wretch.cc is taking too long to respond.
[09:17] <gnomefreak> the page you gave me didnt crash
[09:18] <gnomefreak> insode the fonts above it said in english access denied
[09:18] <gnomefreak> inside
[09:18] <dfarning> What the bug number you are working on
[09:18] <gnomefreak> 58174 and its dupes. they are from yesterday
[09:18] <asac> bug 85174
[09:18] <gnomefreak> remember i was asking for testers
[09:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85174 in firefox "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with wmv in html page (dup-of: 85198)" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85174
[09:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85198 in firefox "[Feisty]  FireFox crashes on trying to open http://www.wretch.cc/blog/cinphy" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85198
[09:19] <asac> so ... what page crashes for you like this?
[09:19] <dfarning> ty
[09:19] <Admiral_Chicago> both pages timed out on me
[09:19] <gnomefreak> i crash on the same pages as the users do
[09:20] <Admiral_Chicago> bbiab
[09:21] <asac> http://multimedia.repubblica.it/home/557820
[09:21] <asac> ?
[09:21] <gnomefreak> im thinking totem is causing the crash personally totem>crash firefox goes down
[09:21] <gnomefreak> yes crash
[09:22] <asac> k ... trying
[09:22] <dfarning> ** (totem-plugin-viewer:21483): WARNING **: Mimetype 'video/x-ms-asf' doesn't have a handler
[09:22] <dfarning> Compiler did not align stack variables. Libavcodec has been miscompiled
[09:22] <dfarning> and may be very slow or crash. This is not a bug in libavcodec,
[09:22] <dfarning> but in the compiler. Do not report crashes to FFmpeg developers.
[09:22] <gnomefreak> there were about 4 links i got to crash on yesterday all seemed to be media releated
[09:22] <dfarning> did you notice this in freddys -gdb
[09:22] <asac> dfarning: yes i saw that .... looks a bit scary
[09:22] <asac> however Admiral_Chicago did not get symbol problem
[09:22] <gnomefreak> i didnt see that but that looks not so good
[09:23] <asac> < gnomefreak> /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error:
[09:23] <asac>                     /usr/lib/totem/libtotem-gmp-plugin.so: undefined symbol: NS_CStringContainerInit
[09:23] <gnomefreak> thats what i get on all of them
[09:23] <gnomefreak> dfarning: where did you get that warning?
[09:23] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah ... but never trust the output at compile time
[09:23] <gnomefreak> true
[09:23] <asac> might as well be really outdated or something
[09:23] <asac> gnomefreak: i try to reproduce
[09:23] <dfarning> that last attacment on the bug
[09:23] <asac> i get that too ... great!
[09:23] <asac> :)
[09:23] <gnomefreak> :)
[09:24] <gnomefreak> im glad your happy
[09:24] <gnomefreak> its like yay i crashed
[09:24] <Admiral_Chicago> haha, lolz
[09:25] <dfarning> Look like we can hit up the FFmpeg site for info on this bug
[09:25] <dfarning> if they stick in a disclaimer they must a seen it several times
[09:26] <asac> gnomefreak: ... there is a help page on firefox for ubuntu ... they claim that upstream firefox would work ... can you confirm that?
[09:27] <asac> doesn't matter ... will have to take a look now :)
[09:28] <dfarning> where are you finding this string? so: undefined symbol: NS_CStringContainerInit
[09:28] <asac> on the console
[09:28] <dfarning> so it is not anywhere in the default crash report?
[09:29] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: confirmed that 3.0 didnt close
[09:29] <asac> is this a problem in edgy too?
[09:29] <gnomefreak> i am down to onlu ubuntus version due to testing
[09:29] <asac> gnomefreak: ok
[09:29] <gnomefreak> he was running edgy
[09:29] <asac> yeah ... but he didn't see that messag?
[09:29] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: didnt get close on any that i did
[09:29] <asac> undefined symbol: NS_CStringContainerInit ?
[09:30] <gnomefreak> that means it doesnt happen upstream?
[09:30] <asac> have no idea ... thats what is told on the ubuntu help page; but I found it hard to read, so maybe i missed the point
[09:30] <gnomefreak> if i find a way where i can set fx to run both upstream or ubuntus without re symlinking than i will run both
[09:31] <dfarning> http://developer.mozilla.org/xpcom/api/NS_CStringContainerInit info on the call
[09:31] <gnomefreak> hmm
[09:32] <asac> dfarning: in edgy it does not crash
[09:32] <gnomefreak> that is also a wishlist bug i ran into
[09:32] <asac> anyone has still the previous feisty firefox packages in his cache
[09:32] <asac> and can downgrade
[09:33] <asac> not that this symbol thing is just a new issue that is introduced by my latest upload
[09:33] <gnomefreak> let me find it but hes pretty much stating to change xpcom to something
[09:33] <asac> ah
[09:34] <asac> i have totem-gstreamer installed here on edgy
[09:34] <asac> lets see
[09:35] <gnomefreak> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/62802  guys
[09:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62802 in firefox "missing static libraries" [Medium,Needs info] 
[09:36] <gnomefreak> is it possible if we do that it may not crash?
[09:36] <asac> don't think so
[09:36] <asac> its about exporting oly stable api elements
[09:36] <gnomefreak> k
[09:37] <asac> but have to think about this
[09:37] <asac> can you please assign to me such bugs?
[09:37] <gnomefreak> i was going to but i wanted to ask you first
[09:38] <asac> assign how you like ... i mean reassign to team if don't like it :)
[09:38] <asac> what a mess ... how to use aptitude to smartly replace totem-gstreamer with totem-xine
[09:38] <gnomefreak> asac: sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[09:39] <gnomefreak> or aptitude
[09:39] <gnomefreak> it will remove totem-gs and install -xine
[09:39] <asac> yeah ... but I like aptitude and fear that using apt-get once will mess with the smart features of it :)
[09:39] <gnomefreak> than use smart :)
[09:39] <asac> aptitude install totem-xine gives me incomprehensible suggestions
[09:39] <asac> but non suggestion will install totem-xine
[09:40] <gnomefreak> thats aptitde trying to be smarter than it is
[09:40] <gnomefreak> IMHO aptitude is always trying to fix depends when it cant
[09:40] <asac> i have the feeling that aptitude is somehow right ... mybe totem-xine does not exist in 2.16.2-0ubuntu3 ?
[09:40] <gnomefreak> it does
[09:41] <gnomefreak> it alteast did
[09:41] <gnomefreak> asac: this is up-to-date edgy?
[09:41] <asac> yes
[09:41] <gnomefreak> its in edgy
[09:42] <gnomefreak> the bot told me so :)
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[09:42] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak+> !info totem-xine
[09:42] <gnomefreak> 15:41 <           ubotu > totem-xine: A simple media player for the Gnome  desktop based on xine. In component universe, is  optional. Version 2.16.2-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package  size 1076 kB, installed size 5888 kB
[09:42] <gnomefreak> <end flood>
[09:43] <asac> crazy ... so totem-xine is in universe for edgy, but in main for feisty?
[09:43] <gnomefreak> yes i think let me check mine
[09:43] <gnomefreak> nope
[09:43] <gnomefreak> universe in feisty
[09:43] <asac> maybe then universe was not updates ... and now it is not even possible to isntall it at all?
[09:44] <gnomefreak> totem-xine: *** 2.17.91-0ubuntu2 0 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Packages
[09:44] <gnomefreak> totem-gstreamer= main totem-mozilla:
[09:44] <gnomefreak> main also
[09:45] <gnomefreak> xine might be in universe due to the codecs it uses
[09:45] <asac> i think i found a suggestion that might work :)
[09:45] <asac> Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?]  y
[09:45] <asac> The following NEW packages will be automatically installed:
[09:45] <asac>   libmodplug0c2 libxine1 libxvmc1
[09:45] <asac> The following packages will be automatically REMOVED:
[09:45] <asac>   totem-gstreamer
[09:45] <asac> The following packages will be DOWNGRADED:
[09:45] <asac>   totem totem-mozilla
[09:45] <asac> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[09:45] <asac>   libmodplug0c2 libxine1 libxvmc1 totem-xine
[09:45] <asac> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[09:46] <asac>   totem-gstreamer
[09:46] <asac> crazy ... isn't it?
[09:46] <gnomefreak> thats a bug
[09:46] <asac> haha ... now I get a security update available message :)
[09:46] <asac> and can actually upgrade
[09:46] <asac> funny
[09:46] <gnomefreak> asac: what verision of totem and totem-mozilla are they downgrading to
[09:47] <asac> 2.16.2-0ubuntu1
[09:47] <gnomefreak> so it fixes the downgrade?
[09:47] <asac> lets see
[09:48] <asac> no ... if i run dist-upgrade now ... it will switch back to gstreamer
[09:48] <gnomefreak> thats what i thought :(
[09:49] <asac> anyway ... good enough to see for now
[09:50] <asac> no crash :(
[09:50] <asac> but no video played either
[09:50] <asac> maybe missing codecs
[09:51] <dfarning> gnomefreak, have you tried downloading the .file and viewing it with totem?
[09:51] <gnomefreak> dfarning: i dont see the page long enough
[09:51] <gnomefreak> it closes before its done loading
[09:51] <asac> should probably work ... at least the symbol tries to refer to something mozilla'ish
[09:52] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: was only one i know ale to view the page
[09:52] <asac> http://mediaserver.kataweb.it/tgrep/reuters/attentatoiran.wmv
[09:52] <asac> this?
[09:52] <gnomefreak> asac: libxine-extracodecs
[09:52] <gnomefreak> crash right away
[09:52] <gnomefreak> not even 3seconds worth of loading
[09:55] <dfarning> looks like a bad wmv tht is causing totem to barf;(
[09:55] <dfarning> wget http://mediaserver.kataweb.it/tgrep/reuters/attentatoiran.wmv
[09:55] <gnomefreak> what do we do with bug 61326
[09:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61326 in firefox "Spell-check for NZ should use En_GB instead of En_US" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/61326
[09:55] <dfarning> totem attentatoiran.wmv
[09:55] <dfarning> frezzes totem
[09:56] <gnomefreak> totem cant play wmv file
[09:56] <dfarning> not even with proper codecs
[09:56] <dfarning> ?
[09:56] <gnomefreak> no
[09:57] <gnomefreak> w32codecs are the only ones that can play it afaik
[09:57] <dfarning> then how can we expect fx to call totem to play a wmv?
[09:57] <gnomefreak> gstrea,er with w32 should play it
[09:58] <gnomefreak> gxine plays it
[09:58] <gnomefreak> im watching it atm
[09:58] <gnomefreak> dont understand it its in arabic
[09:58] <asac> where can i get libxine-extracodecs
[09:59] <asac> in edgy it appears to not exist
[09:59] <gnomefreak> asac: multiverse repo
[09:59] <asac> ah
[09:59] <gnomefreak> totem-xone isnt even listed to open it with
[09:59] <gnomefreak> xine
[10:01] <gnomefreak> totem-xine plays it fine
[10:01] <gnomefreak> this is bad
[10:01] <asac> so who can either reproduce the crash or play a video with totem-xine in edgy?
[10:01] <gnomefreak> that would mean the site is bad of fx and the site are doing the hokey pokey?
[10:01] <gnomefreak> playing
[10:01] <asac> gnomefreak: the bug is in the totem-mozilla plugin bridge
[10:01] <gnomefreak> that could do it
[10:02] <dfarning> that is my guess too
[10:02] <asac> yeah ... but we already know that :)
[10:02] <gnomefreak> if you save it and play it its all godd
[10:02] <gnomefreak> good
[10:02] <asac> that is what the missing symbol output tells us (e.g. totem refers to a mozilla symbol for which it cannot find an implementation)
[10:03] <asac> anyone has an old firefox version in his apt cache?
[10:03] <asac> for feisty?
[10:04] <gnomefreak> bug 85616
[10:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85616 in mozilla-thunderbird "Thunderbird crashed while trying to open a message." [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85616
[10:04] <gnomefreak> ignore me
[10:05] <gnomefreak> bug 68074
[10:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68074 in curl "Seg fault when connecting" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68074
[10:05] <gnomefreak> wtf
[10:06] <gnomefreak> thunderbird is freezing up :(
[10:07] <asac> bug 68074 ?
[10:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68074 in curl "Seg fault when connecting" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68074
[10:07] <asac> thats not thunderbird related
[10:07] <dfarning> has any one done a retrace -d against the stacktrace
[10:08] <gnomefreak> its the email that the guy typed that froze it :(
[10:08] <gnomefreak> there is no stacktrace
[10:09] <asac> bbiw ... house cleaning
[10:09] <dfarning> Is it possiable to retrace the new feisty type crash reports
[10:10] <gnomefreak> i dont think so i think it does it for you (not very well i may add)
[10:11] <dfarning>  pitti has not yet set up the service;(
[10:11] <dfarning> the info is coming straight from the reporter
[10:12] <gnomefreak> there is no telling where he is at with that.
[10:13] <dfarning> I'll follow up -- on my todo
[10:14] <dfarning> btw what is the command you use to run retraces
[10:14] <gnomefreak> if you talk to martin bring up everything but he doesnt really seem inerested imho he closed the bug i reported on apport agiast edgy cause it was fixed in feisty :(
[10:15] <dfarning> My impression is that he is very intrested in moving forward in feisty!
[10:15] <gnomefreak> apport-retrace -o retrace.crash -v -d _usr_lib....... 2>&1 | tee retrace.log
[10:15] <dfarning> ty
[10:15] <dfarning> just unable to make it work on edgy;)
[10:15] <gnomefreak> dfarning: that makes a seperate file retrace.crash so it doesnt touch the _usr_one
[10:17] <dfarning> I feel you pain
[10:18] <dfarning> In terms of developer resources I think nearly all of the effort is going towards feisty
[10:18] <dfarning> really leaves us bug fixers hanging;(
[10:18] <Admiral_Chicago> yea there is a lot going on for feisty.
[10:20] <dfarning> I'll go look into apport
[10:20] <gnomefreak> btw dfarning i need to get with you on something when you have  aminute i had it added to the agenda but more i think about it we can see what we can do out of meeting
[10:21] <dfarning> I think that we can consider bughelper blocked until apport is fixed
[10:21] <gnomefreak> correct
[10:21] <dfarning> gnomefreak, on irc?
[10:21] <gnomefreak> sure
[10:21] <dfarning> what is up?
[10:21] <gnomefreak> im gonna ping mark about taking https://launchpad.net/thunderbird/
[10:21] <gnomefreak> what is your opinion on it
[10:22] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: sec.
[10:22] <dfarning> about reassigning to mozilla team?
[10:22] <gnomefreak> atleast adding us to bug contact
[10:22] <gnomefreak> we cant edit that page only a few people cacn
[10:22] <gnomefreak> can
[10:22] <gnomefreak> this is AlexLatchford's idea
[10:22] <Admiral_Chicago> i'd request bugs to get fowarded to -bugs ML
[10:23] <dfarning> that is a good idea
[10:23] <gnomefreak> k
[10:23] <gnomefreak> so have mozilla-bugs or mozillateam-bugs put in there?
[10:23] <dfarning> there is no reason he should be worring about details  like tb
[10:24] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't think that team is really doing anything though...more like just registered as a precaution
[10:24] <gnomefreak> tb needs loving though
[10:24] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: no but it puts our team out there is all this should do
[10:25] <dfarning> hey when did I assign launchpad.net/firefox to MT?
[10:25] <Admiral_Chicago> well 27 bug reports. take that for what you will
[10:27] <gnomefreak> dfarning: im thinking all the bugs you have assigned to mozillateam should be pushed over to mozillateam-bugs this should cut down on the duplicate emails we get
[10:27] <dfarning> what is the difference bewteen https://launchpad.net/thunderbird/ and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/
[10:27] <dfarning> I don't under stand the difference.
[10:27] <gnomefreak> dfarning: the first one is just a page doesnt do anything but tell people about it
[10:29] <AlexLatchford> meh?
[10:29] <dfarning> but they have diffent bug at least the firefox pages do.
[10:29] <gnomefreak> https://launchpad.net/thunderbird/ == pretty much nothing just to get our name out there would be the only thing it does
[10:30] <asac> dfarning:  https://launchpad.net/thunderbird/ is the upstream product not the ubuntu package afaik
[10:30] <dfarning> I have asked the LP team to reassing the bug to -bugs
[10:30] <asac> if you go to bugs from there you will only see those bugs that are known from upstream (e.g. by adding them as upstream bug to ubuntu bugs)
[10:31] <dfarning> ok so once they are pushed upstream they are added to launchpad.net/firefox
[10:31] <asac> yep
[10:31] <asac> that happens automatically
[10:32] <dfarning> shit i've been tring to figure out the difference for weeks;)
[10:32] <asac> its quite unfortunate
[10:32] <asac> sometimes you end up on the top level product page
[10:32] <asac> and there is no obvious way to go back
[10:33] <asac> e.g. when you assign an upstream url in bug ... then suddenly you are not in the ubuntu package page anymore, but the thunderbird one ... quite confusing.
[10:33] <dfarning> ty for explaining
[10:34] <asac> actually there is some quite nice feature in launchpad for scheduling upstream triage
[10:34] <AlexLatchford> gnomefreak: would you be interested in using the new Meeting Bot tomorrow, I think there will be someone from the Scribes team there present to deal with any issues also
[10:34] <asac> you set upstream bug, but don't set an url
[10:34] <gnomefreak> we can try it
[10:34] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: do we need to play with chan settings for that?
[10:34] <gnomefreak> working on something to clean up email for me
[10:34] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: for what?
[10:35] <asac> where is the agenda?
[10:35] <Admiral_Chicago> to allow a bot ?
[10:35] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Meetings
[10:35] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: shouldnt
[10:35] <dfarning> reguarrd bug assignment: does it make more sense to have triages assign bugs to themselve for better continunity with reporter?
[10:35] <Admiral_Chicago> good
[10:36] <asac> why do you want to take over the thunderbird package from mark? what is the difference from a technical pov?
[10:36] <dfarning> MT could maintain the page
[10:37] <asac> we can't atm?
[10:37] <AlexLatchford> Admiral_Chicago: no it just comes in, gnomefreak will be the meeting chair so he can control it
[10:37] <AlexLatchford> gnomefreak: I will forward you the command list in a sec
[10:37] <dfarning> no we do not have admin rights on launchpad.net/thunderbird
[10:37] <gnomefreak> alook
[10:38] <asac> dfarning: ok i see
[10:38] <AlexLatchford> gnomefreak: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot
[10:39] <Admiral_Chicago> nice, i like it
[10:39] <gnomefreak> what is the trigger?
[10:39] <dfarning> gnomefreak, you are unsubscribing;(
[10:39] <gnomefreak> dfarning: i resubscribed
[10:39] <gnomefreak> im trying to get everything to one email
[10:39] <AlexLatchford> gnomefreak: trigger?
[10:39] <dfarning> gnomefreak, differnet mail;)
[10:39] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: yes like ubugtus trigger is @
[10:40] <gnomefreak> or just type #startmeeeting
[10:40] <AlexLatchford> gnomefreak: don't think there is one, just the commands listed as far as I know
[10:40] <AlexLatchford> yeah I believe so
[10:40] <gnomefreak> [topic] ?
[10:40] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: how to know what topic its gonna recored
[10:40] <AlexLatchford> [topic]  Discussion of the Mozilla Team Council
[10:40] <gnomefreak> oh type the topic
[10:41] <AlexLatchford> add in the title after the command
[10:41] <AlexLatchford> :P
[10:41] <AlexLatchford> yeah
[10:41] <gnomefreak> is there a universe command or all topics?
[10:42] <gnomefreak> i dont really see a need for it to record one topic over another
[10:42] <gnomefreak> dfarning: god i hope this worked :)
[10:43] <gnomefreak> wait a minute is this bot gonna echo everything?
[10:43] <AlexLatchford> gnomefreak: its more to help me summarising things, it produces a formatted minutes afterwards
[10:43] <AlexLatchford> that follows the standard specs that the Scribes Team have set in place
[10:44] <dfarning> gnomefreak, any thought on my up/down stream blurb?
[10:44] <gnomefreak> ok but [topic]  bleh topic1 i woul dhave to do that for each topic or will #startmeeting do it all for me
[10:45] <gnomefreak> dfarning: no :( see before i get all the info i look for upstream bug find it attach it but if ther eis no upstream bug what would we need to know (what classifies all info)
[10:45] <AlexLatchford> no you would have to do it for each topic in turn
[10:45] <AlexLatchford> then initialise a vote if necessary
[10:45] <AlexLatchford> we can then say +1, -1 etc
[10:45] <gnomefreak> ok just make sure it doesnt echo the full meeting
[10:46] <AlexLatchford> it can calculate it
[10:46] <AlexLatchford> aha okay
[10:46] <gnomefreak> guys the meeting is gonna go slow tomorrow
[10:46] <dfarning> that why god invented coffee;)
[10:46] <gnomefreak> :)
[10:47] <gnomefreak> io have to figure out bot and chair ;)
[10:47] <gnomefreak> -o
[10:47] <dfarning> gnomefreak, so do an upstream search early on?
[10:47] <gnomefreak> can do it just i may have to pause to turn feature on (should be automated)
[10:47] <gnomefreak> dfarning: yes
[10:47] <gnomefreak> anytime i can find upstream i push it
[10:48] <gnomefreak> it adds another tab i have open and pisses me off but it works :)
[10:48] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: we will try it out
[10:48] <AlexLatchford> well gnomefreak all you have to do is at the start type #startmeeting, for each new topic say [TOPIC]  <Topic Description>,  [VOTE]  <Vote title>, [ACTION]  <action needed> then #endmeeting
[10:48] <AlexLatchford> lol
[10:49] <dfarning> I am hoping to  get apport working enough that we have good info to push up
[10:49] <dfarning> with out much work
[10:49] <gnomefreak> can i turn them all on ectep for topic at the beginning?
[10:49] <gnomefreak> or all three actions for each topic
[10:51] <gnomefreak> like i said we can try it (i would rather not in a long meeting have this make the meeting that much longer)
[10:51] <dfarning> all info = everything we would need to start working on the bug ourselves
[10:51] <gnomefreak> bot should beable to search for words and automaticly turn on an option
[10:52] <gnomefreak> i still think adding a few tags wouldnt hurt and get asac's opinion on changing it to confirmed
[10:52] <gnomefreak> i will brb
[10:53] <dfarning> I don't want to be getting crap reports from our downstream:) we get enough of that from our own users
[10:53] <asac> gnomefreak: the problem with adding too much tags is that things are getting complicated
[10:53] <asac> and people will do it wrong
[10:53] <asac> we should try to keep amount of tags to minimum
[10:54] <asac> of course if something is needed it has to be added.
[10:55] <dfarning> we must also consider that fx has been with out a maintainer for a long time
[10:55] <dfarning> once we get the backlog down it won't appear quit as awful!
[10:55] <asac> dfarning: yes thats important ... the point is that bug handling has been without direction. we have to clean up a lot ... there should be lots of duplicates or bugs that don't exist any longer
[10:56] <asac> once we are done ... we have more experience and less traffic on bugs ml
[10:57] <dfarning> asac, agree.  that Is why I am pushing apport and bughelper so hard.  to identify dups quickly
[10:57] <asac> can bug helper look into attachements too?
[10:57] <dfarning> yep?
[10:58] <asac> ok ... so for crashers we can look for stacktrace elements ?
[10:58] <dfarning> it caches appachement locally so they don't get downloaded every time
[10:58] <dfarning> yes
[10:58] <gnomefreak> ok we can use mt-wishlist because not everyone can chage to wishlist (or importance in general) we need some way of knowing what bugs we sent upstream (will help in bughelper) not real sure why there are to test tags
[10:59] <dfarning> my attachment cache is 2.5g and growing
[10:59] <asac> wishlist bugs are something special
[10:59] <asac> we have the obligation to not forward arbitrary wishes to bugzilla
[10:59] <gnomefreak> asac: you are only person that can ack a wishlist in mozilla
[11:00] <gnomefreak> unless i assign all wishlists to you instead of tagging them
[11:00] <AlexLatchford> gnomefreak: this is what the bot outputs, http://cjo20.net/bot/ubuntu-scribes.20070205_2003.html
[11:00] <dfarning> asac, once we get apport and retrace working we can easily the same strings in any attachments
[11:00] <asac> in general we have a NO rule for wishlist bugs.
[11:01] <asac> say, they should try to get feedback on mozillazine first ... and if there is lot of applaude, go to bugzilla
[11:01] <asac> dfarning: thats good ... crashers will have lots of duplicates.
[11:02] <asac> though on the long run ihope that we will move those crashers out of our normal bug system
[11:02] <asac> something like a talkback database
[11:03] <dfarning> asac, agree but let's not kill Martin quite yet;)
[11:03] <asac> sure :)
[11:04] <gnomefreak> asac: not all wishlists are for upstream though some are just for ubuntu firefox or like adding another mozilla product or whatever they are. we need to give these attention IMHO either reject or approve or needs more info
[11:04] <asac> gnomefreak: right ... i referred to application feature bugs
[11:04] <dfarning> once we can prove how valuable apport and bughelper can be. We can start pushing for crash system.
[11:04] <asac> gnomefreak: exception: in case that is something gnome/desktop integration specific
[11:05] <asac> and of course if its ubuntu packaging related
[11:05] <gnomefreak> asac: my my idea of mt-wishlist would give you a way to work on wishlists without going through all bugs to find them
[11:05] <dfarning> Where would user request feature on mozillazine?
[11:06] <asac> imo initial screening should only be done by QA members ... they should propely set severity to wishlist
[11:06] <gnomefreak> example adding a depend to firefox wishlist ok fine we can do that but your ack would make it go better
[11:06] <asac> dfarning: they don't request it ... they might discuss it there first
[11:07] <asac> gnomefreak: imo ... wishlist bugs in need info state should directly pass to tag mt-needconfirm
[11:07] <gnomefreak> asac: we try to but say dfarning doesnt have qa access how is he gonna mark it a wishlist if noone is around? he tags it and we get to it when we are around
[11:07] <gnomefreak> we dont have that tag on the wikis
[11:07] <asac> that tag will be monitored by me or any other who feels safe in judging whether there is enough info available for further processing.
[11:07] <asac> we talked yesterday about that tag
[11:07] <gnomefreak> k
[11:07] <asac> will discuss tomorrow :)
[11:08] <gnomefreak> ah didnt see you added that
[11:08] <gnomefreak> :)
[11:09] <gnomefreak> imo we need to start signing our agenda items
[11:09] <gnomefreak> like who added tb 2.0 topic?
[11:09] <asac> ack
[11:09] <gnomefreak> it has to be declined
[11:09] <asac> at best with a short summary
[11:09] <gnomefreak> cant get it in feisty
[11:10] <gnomefreak> things like that shouldnt make it to meeting IMHO
[11:11] <gnomefreak> only way it makes it in feisty is an outside repo be it mozillateam repo or someones personal one
[11:11] <asac> if someone feels that this is worth discussing, i don't have something against it
[11:11] <asac> at least it will be documented properly
[11:11] <asac> in minutes
[11:11] <gnomefreak> true if i can figure the bot out :)
[11:12] <AlexLatchford> :P
[11:12] <asac> The necessity of packaging extensions.
[11:12] <asac> what does that mean?
[11:12] <gnomefreak> dont know
[11:12] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Meetings
[11:13] <gnomefreak> i added my name to what i added
[11:13] <dfarning> sorry, that was me
[11:13] <gnomefreak> i suggest everyone does that so we can atleast look to the person at the meeting
[11:13] <dfarning> should we even package extension or should the user grab them from upstream
[11:13] <gnomefreak> if someone figures out how to get @sig@ to work let me know it never works for me
[11:14] <gnomefreak> ah good
[11:14] <asac> @sig@ ?
[11:14] <gnomefreak> that is one i would like to discuss
[11:14] <asac> dfarning:  ok
[11:14] <gnomefreak> asac: to sign wikis @sig@ will sing your name and date added
[11:14] <gnomefreak> should
[11:14] <asac> date? why that?
[11:14] <gnomefreak> its automatic with @sig@
[11:15] <gnomefreak> maybe for leftover topics
[11:15] <asac> yeah ... but is it of help here?
[11:15] <asac> you will always see that last editor, right?
[11:17] <gnomefreak> asac: but that would mean you would have to go back page by page to find out what the person added unless you are subscibed.  most if not all use @sig@ when adding agenda items. but at the very least adding your name to the agenda item is good so atelast we can ask the person at the meeting instead of searching for it in backlogs
[11:17] <gnomefreak> teams*
[11:17] <AlexLatchford> gnomefreak: I have added that to the page now
[11:18] <gnomefreak> i saw. the locks are messed up lately
[11:18] <asac> gnomefreak: now i got it :)
[11:19] <asac> edit conflict?
[11:19] <AlexLatchford> asac: yeah I added something to the page a minute ago
[11:19] <gnomefreak> because i saved it but the lock never released and AlexLatchford changed it
[11:19] <asac> ok
[11:20] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: let me know if you get the edit conflict gone
[11:20] <gnomefreak> if not i will
[11:20] <AlexLatchford> yeah i will :P
[11:20] <dfarning> hey, what happened to my bits about naming consistancy
[11:20] <asac> on the meeting page?
[11:20] <dfarning> yes
[11:20] <gnomefreak> i dont remembe rit
[11:21] <asac> apparently gone too :)
[11:21] <gnomefreak> remember*
[11:21] <asac> what was it about?
[11:21] <gnomefreak> add it again when alex is done
[11:21] <AlexLatchford> 2 secs
[11:21] <dfarning> firefox vs mozilla-firefox and thunderbird vs mozilla-thunderbird
[11:21] <AlexLatchford> dfarning: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Meetings
[11:21] <AlexLatchford> im done :)
[11:21] <AlexLatchford> readd it, I havent seen it
[11:22] <gnomefreak>     *
[11:22] <gnomefreak>           o
[11:22] <gnomefreak> checking bug DB consistency.
[11:22] <gnomefreak> that?
[11:22] <asac> thats mine
[11:23] <dfarning> try looking up firefox in synaptic some stuff is called firefox* some mozilla-firefox*
[11:23] <dfarning> same with thunderbird
[11:23] <gnomefreak> dfarning: i moved that into one
[11:24] <gnomefreak> dfarning: there was a wishlist bug on it
[11:24] <gnomefreak> about dropping mozilla-thunderbird to just thunderbird and just use firefox
[11:24] <dfarning> sees
[11:24] <gnomefreak> asac: hers one for you :) bug 85878
[11:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85878 in firefox "NoDesktopFile:  Firefox safe mode" [Wishlist,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85878
[11:25] <gnomefreak> dfarning: i thought poningru added them
[11:25] <gnomefreak> i personally dont like the idea of having a desktop file for safemode
[11:26] <gnomefreak> cluttering of menus is bad enough
[11:28] <dfarning> sounds like  extension need better qa upstream
[11:32] <asac> k
[11:32] <gnomefreak> btw ther eis also one about adding colorzilla to ubuntu
[11:33] <asac> does debian have it?
[11:33] <gnomefreak> didnt look i doubt  it
[11:39] <gnomefreak> no they dont
[11:39] <gnomefreak> ok does to dinner now
[11:47] <asac> i think native extensions should be packaged ... while non-native extensions should stay out of our archive
[11:48] <asac> maybe we can at some point ship important non-native extensions as unmodified xpi.
[11:51] <asac> colorzilla is a native one? it contains a .so file, right?