=== cliebow [n=cliebow@cpe-76-179-82-249.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu [12:25] ok..i give up..name of executable to manage printers in ubuntu.. [12:34] si if i do system-admin-printing..what is running? === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [12:46] hi cbx33 [12:47] hey juliux [12:47] cbx33: by the way, Burgundavia told me to tell you 'I vant to suck his blood..er..I mean I want his chapter' 1 hours, 57 minutes and 26 seconds ago (on Sun Feb 18 23:49:50 2007) === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu [12:49] cliebow: gnome-cups-manager === pygi [n=mario@89-172-139-22.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [12:53] ping Burgundavia [12:54] wow, cbx33 [12:54] ogra, poke [12:54] i did try to send you an email... [12:54] to who? [12:54] edubuntugirl, tell ogra Would you mind getting in contact with me when you get some spare time pls?:) [12:54] Righto, pygi! === pygi [n=mario@89-172-139-22.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [12:57] edubuntugirl, tell Burgundavia, I will be home from work early tomorrow which will give me time to finish up those changes on the chapter. I did try to email you, but pocketpc died. [12:57] Righto, cbx33! === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [01:11] ping Burgundavia === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [01:13] hi cbx33 [01:13] hi cbx33 [01:13] hey ajmitch [01:13] hey Laser_away [01:13] nope there are are two today [01:13] Hi LaserJock [01:13] LaserJock! === cbx33 just opened his own repo :) [01:14] yeah, sorry [01:14] I was tired of lag on my work computer [01:14] so I fired up Xchat locally === pitux_ [n=pitux@43-92-20-190.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [01:14] cbx33: pong [01:14] Hey Burgwork, got two secs? [01:14] really quick? [01:15] yep [01:15] pm -> === pitux_ is now known as pitux [01:15] got it [01:18] I have phimage in my local repo ;) [01:18] well personal repo ;) [01:18] well cool [01:27] bimberi:much obliged.. [01:28] ahhh..not installed === caravena is now known as caravena|AFK === caravena|AFK is now known as caravena === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === caravena [n=caravena@146-29-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [n=HedgeMag@ubuntu/member/hedgemage] has joined #edubuntu === crazy_bus [n=philip@CPE-60-228-62-73.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #edubuntu [05:48] My next door neightbour needs some help with long multipication and I was wondering if there was a program to help them [05:59] crazy_bus: how old? [06:05] 10 [06:06] tuxmath is the only thing I could think of :/ [06:09] tuxmath seemed a bit fast for long multipication. Would kalcul or kmathtool also help? [06:12] Also I was looking at KEduca and I was wondering if there were any sample files to use with it? [06:17] crazy_bus: I honestly don't know [06:17] I would install them and try them out [06:27] crazy_bus: I found a perl script that will make a .ps file with a problem and answer key [06:27] not sure if that's helpful much [06:28] not really. Thanks anyway === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-240-27-223.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === jbrefort [n=jean@lns-bzn-22-82-249-118-173.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [i=c2df514b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-1b98948e2da2727e] has joined #edubuntu [09:03] ping ogra get my mail? === jbrefort [n=jean@lns-bzn-22-82-249-118-173.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu === froud [n=sean@dsl-242-144-212.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === sewensins [n=server@91.64.233.59] has joined #edubuntu [11:45] guten tag [11:46] english or german? [11:47] sewensins: English preferred... [11:48] well kay then...i want to know if someone here could help me with questions regarding chroot with LTSP in edubuntu 1.wellidontknow [11:49] the things is...once the user logs in everything is fine..but ..users on the terminal still see the "real" root filesystem not the fake root envirement wich was created during install by ltsp [11:50] i want to know where i can create entries like chroot or so [11:51] the ltsp chroot is only used while booting a client [11:51] once logged you see the server filesystem [11:51] i know there is a file in /opt/tsp/i386/etc/ called lstp_chroot but that thing is empty and its not documented anywhere how i need to fill that with sense [11:52] the ltsp chroot is only used locally once X started you aren't connected locally but on the server [11:53] yeah one sees that but the users just have ro on the filesystem...as far as that its fine ...but i really want to jail these horrible kids so that they dont play around to much if you know what i mean [11:54] but anway thanks so far for ur answers mister stgraber [11:54] I doubt there is any easy way to do so as the software they will use have to be in the chroot [11:54] maybe it would be easier to find how to limit nautilus [11:54] hmmm yeah i seem to get the point [11:55] it must have st to do with some components wich are dreived from the basesystem while booting the client [11:55] sorry for my bad english by the way [11:57] correct me if im wrong...the way i understand what u say is...there is a whole rootfilesystem sitting in /opt/ltsp and its just used for bootig and afterwards its worth nothing... thats heavy ressourcekill [11:58] the thin clients have to boot and since they don't have a harddisk, the harddisk is stored on the server [11:58] but there isn't a lot of thing in it [11:58] just kernel + boot scripts + X [11:58] then the user log on the server [11:59] and use the "real" server / [11:59] okay [11:59] so no way of strangeling these kids into a chroot-jail [12:00] Check on the internet if there is an easy way to restrict the direcctory that can be seen using Nautilus [12:01] but as they have to access these files and run those softwares they will always have the rights to see them (but you can make that a bit harder to do :)) [12:02] okay i will try [12:03] 4 now i wish to have a nice day night or whateva time it is === sewensins [n=server@91.64.233.59] has left #edubuntu [] === jsgotangco is now known as MysteriousGEGL === juliux [n=Julius@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [12:35] morning [12:35] ogra, the edubuntu weekend was a real sucess === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === MysteriousGEGL is now known as jsgotangco === jsgotangco is now known as MysteriousGEGL === MysteriousGEGL is now known as jsgotangco === meduxa [n=agustin@84.Red-217-127-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:12] http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ldm_cairo_screenshot.png [01:12] ogra: by the way, pygi told me to tell you 'Would you mind getting in contact with me when you get some spare time pls?:)' 12 hours, 17 minutes and 46 seconds ago (on Mon Feb 19 01:55:09 2007) [01:13] ogra: *drool* [01:13] its a bit odd, you cant use standard widgets on the canvas .... so i have to design everything myself ... [01:14] i.e. the entry field ... [01:14] ogra: the other day you said that we wouldn't need pam_mount with LDM, but I haven't been able to figure out where you'd use sshfs and ldm on edubuntu yet [01:14] we dont need pam mount for general network auth ... but we need it for fat clients [01:15] and i was planning to use sshfs there [01:15] ogra: from the ltsp plugin you posted the other day, the fat clients use GDM? [01:15] in combination with pam_mount [01:16] the plugin i posted was the kiosk plkugin ... yes, that uses gdm for a local autologin [01:16] ah [01:16] you can easily make it a full desktop kiosk ... by installing *-desktop in it [01:16] so LDM would be usable for local logins (such as diskless fat) as well? [01:16] and removing ~/.xsession of the kiosk user [01:16] no [01:16] ldm isnt designeds for local logins [01:18] ogra: looking sweet [01:18] got my reboot button in there yet :p [01:18] hahah [01:18] nag nag nag [01:19] cbx33, no buttons at all atm [01:19] all that stuff moved to a context (right click) menu ... [01:19] ahh right [01:19] and yes, it has a reboot button, but no code behind it yet ... [01:20] ahh right [01:20] only basic login functionallity is there ... [01:20] i want a popup to select a different server as well ... [01:20] you're doing an amazing job [01:20] oooh that's a cool idea [01:20] ogra: you have to design your own widgets? [01:21] right [01:21] you cant put standard widgets on a drawing area [01:21] and i didnt want to load to many python modules ... [01:21] so i have to design buttons and entry fioelds via cairo [01:22] just a bit of measuring fontsizes and positions and rectangle drawing :) [01:22] nice [01:22] what about like the cursor etc? [01:22] i mean for text editing [01:22] and passwords [01:22] you draw a vertical line ... [01:22] (for a cursor) [01:23] can you define a "text entry" type thing [01:23] and for passwords you count the length and create a string opf starts or dots with the same length [01:24] sounds like hard work [01:24] textentry: draw a rectangle ... measure teh length of the string, show it if non zero, draw a vertical line (cursor) behind the last letter [01:25] if stringlength > rectangle width, cut off the displayed string [01:25] do you "draw" the letter too? [01:25] thats it [01:25] sure [01:25] right i see [01:25] youi draw all pieces [01:25] phew.... [01:25] so you have a keypressed event handler [01:25] and that adds letters? [01:25] that reruns the above loop [01:25] yup [01:26] i get it [01:26] interesting [01:26] and i suppose there is a mouse handler too? [01:26] if the rectangles would be paint, a small tower of stacked labels would grow in the middle of your screen [01:26] so you could create your own cairo widgets [01:26] right [01:26] awesome [01:26] thanks ogra [01:26] well, i use the handlers on the window ... [01:26] i see [01:26] thast easier ... [01:29] sounds like a complete LDM UI overhaul [01:29] it is [01:29] is this for feisty [01:29] ? [01:32] what is this????? LDM in cairo [01:32] woooo [01:32] cairo in LDM, more like it :) [01:32] ekk who did this drop shadow [01:34] I'm sure that will change before release [01:34] it's not so much a drop shadow [01:34] more of an evil glow [01:34] hrmmm [01:35] it looks to bright it washes away the effect [01:39] does cairo do the gradient? [01:40] does this have an impact on the low end specification? === sc0tt_ [n=sc0tt@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust513.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu === sc0tt_ is now known as sc0tt === meduxa [n=agustin@84.Red-217-127-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === SimonAnibal [n=sruiz@66.244.123.100] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:27] ping ogra two seconds of your time when you have a sec [03:27] bout the book chapter === chahibi [n=chahibi@unaffiliated/chahibi] has joined #edubuntu [03:44] how much manual configuration is required when trying to install Edubuntu and LTSP on an already present Ubuntu system === jinty [n=jinty@66.208.16.134] has joined #edubuntu === pitux [n=pitux@72-94-20-190.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [03:53] cbx33, you have to run ltsp-build-client and to change the dhcpd3.conf to your settings [03:53] what about fuse? [03:53] for local devices? [03:53] good point i should test this tomorrow [03:58] heh....probably be too late by then ;) [03:58] for me anyway [03:59] juliux, on the desktop cd [03:59] when you boot up at the beginning, do you get the option to install as a workstation? [04:00] or is it just start and install? [04:03] hola reinaldo === chorse [n=ps@gamekeeper.gw.chorse.org] has joined #edubuntu [04:08] cbx33, oh good point i have no idea === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #edubuntu === caravena [n=caravena@146-29-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === chahibi [n=chahibi@adsl-206-176-192-81.adsl2.iam.net.ma] has joined #edubuntu === caravena is now known as caravena|AFK === lewmnik_ [n=lewmnik@AAmiens-156-1-24-66.w90-18.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #edubuntu === caravena_ [n=caravena@226-29-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === caravena_ is now known as caravena [06:27] is there a way during bootup to turn off the splash screen so I can see what the system is doing? [06:29] pscheie: yeah, remove the "splash" and "quiet" option from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default [06:29] so, there's no way to do it on the fly, during bootup? [06:30] or if I turn off quiet, will removing the splash be an option? [06:30] most of the time the splash is okay, just sometimes I'd like to be able to see what's happening [06:31] for troubleshooting, etc. === jbrefort [n=jean@lns-bzn-29-82-248-244-189.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === caravena is now known as caravena|AFK === caravena|AFK is now known as caravena === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [06:54] hey willvdl [06:54] woot [06:54] hey cbx33 [06:57] howz it going willvdl [06:58] it's all good. all busy [06:58] my potatoes are boiling though... [06:58] hehe [06:58] mine too === pitux [n=pitux@72-94-20-190.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === Petaris [n=Petaris@216.56.37.162] has joined #edubuntu [07:06] Hi all [07:07] can anyone tell me how I can unmount a share that pam created/mounted? [07:07] smbumount doesn't seem to work [07:07] I can do a umount thought [07:08] thing is I need to umount every user share (mounted by pam during login) and not touch the other mounts [07:08] that way I can delete user home directories with a script set in a cron job [07:09] pam is supposed to unmount them when the user logs out but it doesn't [07:11] cbx33, are you using ltsp in your school? [07:11] juliux: I use LTSP in my schools [07:11] :) [07:11] Petaris, cool [07:12] we tested a lot of hardware settings at the weekend [07:12] and now i want to compare the hardware for servers;) [07:12] cool [07:12] to see if your test resualts are normal results [07:12] I use dual opteron boxes with 4 GB of RAM [07:12] dual Gbit nics [07:12] and RAID 1 SATA [07:12] nice [07:13] right now each server handles 25 clients but I think they could handle about 50 just fine [07:14] we played around with a pentium D system and coreduo computers [07:14] but the coreduos are realy slow [07:14] ahh [07:14] on the pentium D we had with 15clients a load from 5! [07:14] what are your client boxes? [07:14] that was only a test network;) [07:14] we had p4 clients and notebooks and normal thinclients [07:15] ok [07:15] I ordered custom clients (nothing speacial) with no moving parts for my labs [07:17] we get 20 p4 systems for free for the weekend [07:17] cool [07:18] I need to write a script [07:20] have fun [07:20] yeah [07:20] if AD and PAM would play nicer together I wouldn't have to [07:20] :/ [07:22] I wish I knew shell scripting better [07:23] hehe, [07:25] I know what I need to do [07:26] but I am not sure how to tell the script how to do it for each user in /home/ except for some that must be excluded [07:26] I know the excludes should be in a an array or list of some sort to bechecked against [07:26] hrm [07:26] excludes=( ) might do that [07:26] you can add all user to an extra group than you can do it for all users in this group [07:27] but i think that is a diry solution [07:27] right, but they are AD users [07:27] not local [07:27] :/ [07:27] ahh [07:34] juliux, no we're not using LTSP yet....at least not to any large extent === caravena_ [n=caravena@135-29-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === lewmnik_ [n=lewmnik@AAmiens-156-1-24-66.w90-18.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@66.208.16.134] has joined #edubuntu [08:20] the Desktop CD is really just a standalone install right? [08:21] cbx33: it seems to be the LTSP server right off the bat [08:21] I installed it the other day [08:21] 6.10 that is [08:21] the Desktop CD doesn;t insstall the LTSP server === chahibi [n=chahibi@unaffiliated/chahibi] has left #edubuntu ["Konversation] [08:22] well [08:22] doesn't setup a client root anyway [08:22] it did for mine [08:22] really? [08:22] and all I wanted was a standalone [08:22] I was certain it didn't setup the chroot [08:22] ogra, can you confirm? [08:22] unless I grabbed the wrong iso [08:22] hmm [08:22] anyone else know? [08:23] I grabbed edubuntu-6.10-insall-i386.iso [08:23] er, install [08:24] yeh, that's not the desktop one [08:27] ahh [08:27] ok then ignore me [08:27] :) [08:28] ;) [08:28] never Petaris [08:28] howa rey ou anyway? [08:29] not bad [08:29] trying to write a script to solve a problem [08:30] but I since I am not very knowlagable about programming I am having difficulties trying to get it to do what I want [08:30] How have you been? === stelis [n=se@82-71-4-26.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [08:32] yeh good [08:32] what's the script do? [08:33] well its supposed to crawl through /home and unmount the Staff and Students shares in each AD user's local home dir then rm -rf the dir and move to the next one, but it needs to look at a list to see which dirs to skip doing that too [08:34] I have the names of the dirs to skip in a array named "excludes" but I don't know how to tell it to exclude them [08:34] cbx33: http://phpfi.com/205278 [08:35] there is what I have so far [08:35] and yes, I know $user doesn't exist in that script [08:35] I am piecing it together out of other scripts I have done in the past [08:35] ok [08:35] so is the excludes show hostnames? [08:36] no, the excludes are the dir names under /home that I want to keep [08:36] ahhh i see [08:36] sorry [08:36] that I don't want this script to play with [08:36] i see [08:36] so basically if $useris equal to one of those [08:36] don't do it? [08:37] right [08:37] but to every other folder in that dir do it [08:37] and don't complain if those shares aren't there or if they aren't mounted [08:37] right [08:38] well [08:38] once traversing each dir in /home/ [08:38] then traverse each element in excludes [08:38] I want to dump the local home/profile but not the files in their network home [08:38] and compare it to what you already have [08:38] if the two match, ignore [08:38] then make an array out of that [08:38] *output [08:38] so basically.... [08:39] and run the functions on that arrya? === cbx33 gets ready to write a pseudo srcipt [08:39] hang on [08:39] 2 secs [08:39] ok [08:41] http://phpfi.com/205294 [08:42] hrm [08:43] so the flags are marking the dirs that are not in excludes [08:43] ok, let me incorporate this and post again [08:43] the flag just says.....no i havn't found a match yet [08:44] as soon as it does.....it makes a note [08:44] so when you check after checking the home dir against all the excludes you have a record of if it was found or not [08:45] ping ogra [08:45] or anyone else who knows who to setup and install an LTSP environment inside Ubuntu [08:46] can't you simply install ltsp-server or ltsp-server-standalone [08:46] and then do : ltsp-build-chroot ? [08:46] i don;t know can you [08:46] sbalneav, can you confirm this? [08:47] Yep [08:47] it "should" be possible to do that way, personally I never tried (I just remember the ltsp-build-chroot from Dapper) [08:47] That's what you do. [08:47] cbx33: http://phpfi.com/205295 [08:47] sbalneav, presumably there is a fair amount of manual configuration [08:47] In addition to ltsp-update-kernels, and ltsp-update-sshkeys. [08:47] could you spend me a few secs in a pm? [08:48] no, actually, it's pretty easy. [08:48] ogra, Mr Wizard Man, makes it all automagical. [08:48] cbx33: lts.conf and dhcpd.conf should be the only files you have to edit [08:48] what's the diff between ltsp-server standalone and ltsp-server ? [08:48] ogra, is a Wizard [08:49] As I understand -standalone include dhcpd and some more stuff (from the package description) [08:49] so ltsp-server should be for an existing network with DHCP already set [08:49] ahh i see [08:50] ltsp-server-standalone depends on ltsp-server + dhcpd [08:50] so it's just += DHCP [08:50] ahh isee [08:50] thanks stgraber [08:51] np :) [08:51] Petaris, looks like it's getting there [08:51] do you have a test directory you can try it out on? [08:52] no, but I will create one [08:52] in /opt [08:52] er, /opt/home [08:52] good good [08:52] always a good idea to test it first ;) [08:52] so I don't fsck things [08:52] hehe [08:52] yep === cbx33 always does the same [08:52] hrm, how can I reference where $user is? [08:53] do a $dir? [08:53] what do you mean? [08:53] to reference the directory name (current) [08:54] so you want to find what that dir is? === cbx33 is slow this evening [08:55] well I need to so that I can unmount the shares and delete it === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu [08:55] give me an example === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #edubuntu [08:55] so I crawl though and see a dir named "testu" [08:55] and I need to umount /home/testu/Staff [08:55] right [08:56] and umount /home/testu/Students [08:56] testu is the name of the current user? [08:56] then rm -rf /home/testu [08:56] or the current machine? [08:56] of the current dir in /home that it is working on [08:56] pwd [08:56] run that command will give you /home/dir [08:56] right [08:57] but that would only work if you were in that dir [08:57] yes [08:57] hrm [08:57] i think I'm still not getting it [08:57] sorry [08:57] ok [08:58] so how does it know which directory it is working on right now? [08:58] we go through all of the directories and compare them to my excludes list [08:58] and then do something to them [08:58] right i get it [08:58] well seeing as you know the current dir [08:58] but we can't do something to them if we don't know which dir it is [08:58] which is dir [08:59] you can use that [08:59] /home/$dir [08:59] can't you? [08:59] we need to step through the list of all dirs flagged 0 [08:59] no no... [08:59] the way it works is it does them as it goes along [09:00] once it has finished comparing the current dir to the exclude list.... [09:00] it will inspect the flag [09:00] if it's set it'll delete etc [09:00] sbalneav, so.... [09:00] would it be..... [09:00] install ltsp-server-standalone [09:00] rund the build client [09:00] run the update kernels [09:00] and the ssh keys [09:00] and you're done? [09:00] Yeppers. [09:01] oh and edit the dhcp [09:01] yep [09:01] and the lts [09:01] Yeah, unless they're doing something "funky", the default lts.conf should do 'em. [09:01] thanks sbalneav [09:01] oh ok awesome [09:01]