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Tonio__StefanS_: Currently building12:26
_StefanS_Tonio_: sweet12:26
_StefanS_Tonio_: you might want this other patch then ?12:27
_StefanS_Tonio_: so you only need to build once12:27
Tonio__StefanS_: eventually yes ;)12:27
Tonio__StefanS_: shouldn't we group the 2 patches ?12:27
Tonio_they provide the same thing12:27
_StefanS_Tonio_: well I think so.. they're part of the same12:27
_StefanS_exactly :)12:27
Tonio__StefanS_: I'll merge them :)12:27
_StefanS_Tonio_: composing email-...12:28
_StefanS_Tonio_: sent..12:28
Tonio__StefanS_: perfect thanks12:28
_StefanS_Tonio_: only kdmshutdown.cpp and kdmshutdown.h is changed12:29
_StefanS_Tonio_: ignore that other stuff12:29
_StefanS_Tonio_: *.desktop files12:29
Tonio_what's this ?12:29
Riddelllots of gettext domains?12:30
_StefanS_I donno...12:30
_StefanS_nothing I messed with, thats for sure :)12:30
Riddellsomething has broken in cdbs kde.mk that it doesn't get cleared12:30
Riddellprobably needs the rule name changed to whatever it should be12:30
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Riddellworth seeing what gnome.mk uses12:30
_StefanS_Tonio_: screenshot of the kdm logout if curious: http://enhance-it.dk/kdm.png12:31
Riddell_StefanS_: lovely12:31
_StefanS_Riddell: thanks :D12:31
_StefanS_well next stop kdesu...12:31
_StefanS_also I would like to have the logout fade we're currently using to be faster, so I will test some valid options when doing the fade for kdesu anyways12:32
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Tonio__StefanS_: perfect, nice job really12:33
Tonio_Riddell: I have the solution for the fonts issue12:33
RiddellTonio_: ooh?12:33
Tonio_Riddell: but I did an error while merging qt-x11 with debian :)12:33
_StefanS_Tonio_: thanks :) - It was a little easier this time because of the time I spent hacking the other dialog ;)12:33
Tonio_Riddell: I missed the firebird-dev thing12:34
Tonio_Riddell: the issue is a qt bug12:34
Tonio_debian has a patch for it, so I merged...12:34
Tonio_Riddell: then I reuploaded again with all of KUBUNTU-DEBIAN-DIFFERENCE applied12:34
Tonio_but the server failed, error 500....12:34
Tonio_no chance :)12:34
Tonio_okay last upload was just accepted :)12:35
Riddellthe data centre has been having problems12:35
Tonio_Riddell: so yes, fontconfig was not the issue....12:35
Tonio_Riddell: that explains :)12:35
_StefanS_Well I'm off guys..12:36
_StefanS_have a nice night ;)12:36
Riddelltop stuff Tonio_12:36
Riddellso now we get the correct sans serif font?12:37
Tonio_Riddell: once the package is built yes12:37
Tonio_Riddell: I also think we should change qt-x11 default to sans serif12:37
Tonio_but that can be done with a next upload.... we are currently provide a "Dejavu" based qtrc12:38
Tonio_Riddell: thanks for the compliment, but in fact everything is due to debian :)12:38
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Tonio_all I did is finding that the bug was qt and not fontconfig due to a few tests12:38
Tonio_in fact it worked with qt4 ;)12:39
Tonio_for once your speedcrunch helped ma hehe :)12:39
Tonio_I wouldn't have found the problem with my wanted kcalc :)12:39
Riddelltold you, speedcrunch rules12:40
Tonio_Riddell: haha :)12:40
Tonio_Riddell: I'm currently building kdebase with new media patches by _Sime and improved logout stuff by _Stefan12:41
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Tonio_Riddell: next big bug to track is kdesktop missing translations !12:42
Riddellyes, that one is weird12:43
Tonio_Riddell: I'll try to fix tomorrow.....12:43
Riddellit's like it isn't looking in /usr/share/locale-langpack or something12:43
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Tonio_Riddell: what I don't understand is that some context menu options are translated, some are not....12:44
Tonio_so it's not completly ignoring translations.... just partly12:44
Tonio_things that work "partly" are the hardest ones to fix :/12:44
Tonio_Riddell: hug me when I fix it :)12:44
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Riddellmorning Hobbsee12:51
HobbseeRiddell: i made some changes to k-d-s - i'm looking to discuss/commit them with Tonio_ at some point, FYI12:52
Tonio_Hobbsee: what are they ?12:52
Riddellnow seems appropriate12:52
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Hobbseecan i grab a shower first, before i get shot by mum?12:52
Hobbseekonvi defaults, mainly12:53
HobbseeRiddell: nope, you dont :P12:53
Hobbseekubuntu-default-settings (1:7.04-18) feisty; urgency=low12:53
Hobbsee  * Removed konversationui.rc - this was for 0.19, we are now on
Hobbsee     - Closes Malone #85948, and various other upstream bugs.12:53
UbugtuMalone bug 85948 in konversation "ctrl-,/. shortcut not working in konversation" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8594812:53
Hobbsee  * Changed some of konversationrc12:53
Hobbsee     - Now defaults to port 8001 for freenode/ubuntu, to bypass an dcc exploit i12:53
Hobbsee       certain routers.12:53
Hobbsee     - Moved the tabs back to the bottom, as it was originally decided that12:54
Hobbsee       tabs near the focus.12:54
Hobbsee     - Take out the square theme default - the konversation default looks far12:54
Hobbsee       more professional.12:54
Hobbseein summary ^12:54
Hobbseewow, that's formatted nastily12:54
Hobbseewas working full screen yesterday...12:54
Tonio_hum..... I disagree with the tabs on the left....12:54
Riddelltabs should be on the left12:54
Tonio_konvi is different from konsole, it is way more usable with tabs on the left, as all IRC clietns usually do.....12:55
Hobbseeif we're only opening one tab by default, that's a lot of wasted screen space12:55
Hobbseeand upstream is cursing, etc12:55
Tonio_Hobbsee: oncerning the default theme, well it looks more professionnal, but icons are perfectly ununderstandable :)12:56
Tonio_4 squares with some colors.....12:56
HobbseeTonio_: the square ones are any better?12:56
Tonio_Hobbsee: yes, there is a O in the square for operators etc.....12:56
HobbseeTonio_: fortunately, all this is customisable - for the people who dont like it, they'll make all sorts of changes12:56
Tonio_they are understandable I think....12:56
Hobbseei'm thinking that for new users or whatever, they dont know what O is, or that there are modes, etc.12:57
Tonio_Hobbsee: I don't mind that we remove the square one, but please choose something that can make sense to a user that is used to irc :)12:57
Tonio_Hobbsee: yes, but new users won't understand them in any case12:57
Tonio_Hobbsee: power irc users will only understand the square one, not the default12:57
Hobbseethey learn.  but yeah, i see your poitn12:58
Hobbseethey were my suggestions, anyway12:58
Hobbseesho_ seems to have the idea that we cant customise any of their app12:58
Tonio_Hobbsee: I agree with the first part of the changes....12:58
Hobbseewhich to the point of the menu items, i agree with12:58
Tonio_Hobbsee: but in my opinion the default theme is a pain12:58
Hobbseefair enough12:58
Tonio_Hobbsee: to be honnest I'm using IRC for 7 years now12:58
Tonio_I NEVER have been able to understand the default theme :)12:59
Hobbseesee, taht's the odd thing - i do12:59
Tonio_O for operator, V for voice etc....12:59
Hobbseeall grey'd out means away, no coloured bits means you cant speak, all coloured bits means you're very important12:59
Tonio_square is the only theme that makes sense if you know irc a bit12:59
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Tonio_Hobbsee: note that we can do our own theme or install another one via kds01:00
Tonio_I don't oppose to this, but please don't use the horrible default :)01:00
Hobbseei'm happy to keep that part in, anyway01:00
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Hobbseethe other question is about that kopetechatwindow.rc - why is it in ui-rc?01:01
Hobbseeand why do we have it there at all, if we're not checking what we're losing, as upstream makes new releases with features01:01
Hobbseeas for the amarokrc, we shortcut some of the keys - but not all of the default multimedia ones - we should fix this01:02
Tonio_Hobbsee: cause that defines the UI01:02
Hobbseewhy are we designing a custom UI anyway?01:02
Tonio_Hobbsee: in fact it is badly named, should be called kopetechatwindowui.rc01:03
Hobbseeexcluding konqi, where we're well known for it01:03
Hobbseethat's what i thought...01:03
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Tonio_Hobbsee: I don't remember why I changed this in kopete, but there is a good reason :)01:03
Tonio_let me look01:03
Tonio_Hobbsee: yes, there was bugs, like double separators etc...01:03
Tonio_I simply did something more "clean"01:04
Hobbseeah right.  which version was that for?01:04
Tonio_Hobbsee: I don't remember :)01:04
Tonio_Hobbsee: but the point is "if it works now, don't change it !"01:04
Hobbseei'll bet that 0.12 has new menu options that we're hiding?01:04
Tonio_Hobbsee: we'll have to redefined the all kds for feisty+1 with kde401:04
Tonio_Hobbsee: hum, good point01:04
Tonio_Hobbsee: well we can test byy deleting the fine in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings and compare :)01:05
Hobbseein the case of konvi, apparently we were breaking it, and taking a 0.19 design into 1.0.101:05
Hobbseeyes...i'd done that with konvi, hadnt gotten around to kopete yet01:05
Tonio_Hobbsee: yes, you're right with the update konvi new file, also for the 8001 port01:05
HobbseeMez: did that somewhere, i'm not sure where though01:05
Hobbseeand i'm thinking that file overwrites it, anyway01:06
Tonio_Hobbsee: is kopetechatwindowui.rc installed ?01:06
Tonio_I don't have it locally on my computer01:06
Tonio_oups not "ui" :)01:06
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Tonio_Hobbsee: I think we can drop that file indeed, I tested without it, there is not much changes....01:07
Tonio_I'd say not any in fact ;)01:07
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Tonio_Hobbsee: you have commit rights on bzr right ?01:08
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Hobbseeyeah - i think i committed01:08
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Tonio_so just remove that file, change makefiles, apply your changes for konvi and ping me01:08
Tonio_I'll build the package and upload01:08
Mezwhats wrong eith the 8001 things?01:09
HobbseeMez: where'd you change the port 8001 for freenode?01:09
Tonio_Hobbsee: if you are unsure, just email me the changes and new konvi rc file and I'll commit01:09
HobbseeMez: not in konversationrc01:09
MezHobbsee, no, in konversation's source :D where the channel and server name is changed01:09
Tonio_Mez: we need to change the things at 2 levels01:10
Tonio_Mez: source for gnome users using konvi01:10
Tonio_Mez: but as kubuntu-default-settings overrides the default, we have to change it there too01:10
MezTonio_, I presuemd that it was picked up from source01:10
Tonio_Mez: from both in fact01:10
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DaSkreechWhee :)01:11
DaSkreechHow does tagging of packages work?01:11
Tonio_Mez: well technically we shouldn't override the default via kds01:11
Tonio_but that was done before changing the defaults in the sources for non kde users :)01:11
Tonio_Hobbsee: eventually, try not to put the servers infos in konversationrc01:12
MezTonio_, the channel patch has been there for a long time... I made it in breezy I think01:12
Tonio_we should now use the defaults since they are patched in the sources01:12
Tonio_Mez: yes but we already patched that via kds :)01:12
Tonio_Mez: but you're right, we should look at using the defaults now they are patched01:12
MezTonio_, they've bene patched in the sources since I started using kubuntu01:13
Mezit was one  of my first patches01:13
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DaSkreechHow does tagging work on the packages?01:28
alosanyone know where the kubuntu installer source01:29
Riddellalos: which one?01:29
RiddellDaSkreech: it's called debtags, google should reveal all01:30
alosthe one that installs from live cd to hard drive01:30
Riddellalos: apt-get source ubiquity01:30
Riddellor launchpad.net/ubiquity and click on Code for the bzr archive01:30
alosthe name is ubiquity01:30
alosok coo.01:30
DaSkreechRiddell: Thanks the tag system in adept seems shot to hell01:30
DaSkreechLet me go see if i can find out why01:30
RiddellDaSkreech: it may be the current adept is not entirely compatible with the current debtags version01:31
RiddellI've seen it give error messages on the command line output01:31
DaSkreechHmm I'll look into that01:32
DaSkreechI was looking for a accounting package and dragged over the Finance tag and got near everything unrelated to anything doing with money01:33
DaSkreechI'll be jumping to Beta when it's put out so maybe I can help with some patches then01:33
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=== Hobbsee actually learnt something useful off kubuntu-users
DaSkreechWhich is?02:37
Hobbseethe firefox under kde stuff02:38
Hobbseei'd not realised it was all changed in about:config now02:38
Hobbseewhich makes it very easy to create a user.js with new options, and install it with kubuntu-default-settings02:38
Hobbseeor a firefox-kde metapackage, i guess02:39
=== Jucato thinks a meta-package would be a better approach than k-d-s
Hobbseeor adding it into firefox, and checking if kde is installed.02:39
Hobbseeer, wait.  the last option isnt so great02:39
Jucatohehe :)02:40
Hobbseemeta-package is better, as then it's removable02:40
Hobbseeseeing as this will be global, not just for KDE02:40
MrWGW-hey Hobbs, Jucato02:41
Jucatohi MrWGW-02:41
Hobbseeawww crap.  how does one photocopy a passport, if one only has a flatbed scanner02:41
Hobbseeheya MrWGW-02:42
Jucatoscan as grayscale and print? :D02:42
Hobbseeit's a book02:42
MrWGW-I would suggest that you refrain from attempting to use it...02:42
MrWGW-it will still fit02:42
MrWGW-close the lid on it02:42
HobbseeMrWGW-: hrm?02:43
Hobbseeer, sorry, if one does *not* have a flatbed scanner02:43
MrWGW-photocopy it02:43
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Hobbseecant - it only photocopies paper02:43
Hobbseenot books02:43
ajmitchHobbsee: why are you trying to photocopy a passport?02:43
MrWGW-err blah02:43
MrWGW-I'm sorry02:43
MrWGW-I meant02:43
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MrWGW-photograph it02:43
MrWGW-ajmitch, its worth noting that many countries REQUIRE photocopies of passports to support official documentation02:44
ajmitchI know02:44
MrWGW-and you're supposed to carry a photocopy of your passport with you while travelling abroad02:44
ajmitchbut it's more fun to hassle Hobbsee02:44
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MrWGW-which, btw, I just applied to GNU02:45
ajmitchyeah, please keep your insanity at an appropriate distance02:45
DaSkreechMrWGW-: You forked GNU?02:45
MrWGW-well, I'm in the process thereof02:46
MrWGW-I "raped" their FTP server last night02:46
MrWGW-so I have all the code02:46
MrWGW-now its just a question of figuring out what to upload first, and what needs to be renamed to avoid walking on their trademarks (if they have any)02:46
MrWGW-my fork will remain availible under its current license, as opposed to the official tree which will undoubtably convert to GPL v3 or later as part of the FSF's master plan to force us all to use that license02:47
MrWGW-and no, I'm not recruiting Kubuntu developers02:47
MrWGW-the fork includes a fork of GNOME02:47
MrWGW-which I have yet to download in source form, btw02:47
DaSkreechMrWGW-: Make it a spork02:48
MrWGW-my desire is to take LT's recently submitted patch to GNOME, apply it to stable code, compile it, and if it works, that will solve that problem02:49
MrWGW-IMO GNOME is more broken then KDE, and that's why I've mainly been interested in contributing artwork etc to KDE based distros02:50
DaSkreechflux ftw :)02:51
MrWGW-I like fluxbox, I don't use it though02:54
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Hobbseeajmitch: to prove that i'm an aussie citizen at my time of birth.  dunno how a current passport does that, though03:00
Hobbseeer + date03:01
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Hobbseeyep :)03:31
Jucatois applicatoin related to moin?03:31
jjessequick question what version of firefox is included in feisty?03:32
Jucato!info firefox feisty03:33
ubotufirefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version (feisty), package size 9007 kB, installed size 28580 kB03:33
jjessethanks Jucato03:33
DaSkreechI'm warming up to the bot :)03:35
DaSkreechon a related note the about kubuntu page will work in firefox in feisty ?03:36
JucatoDaSkreech: we've been through this right? :D #ubuntu-doc :)03:36
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about botsmack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:37
DaSkreechYeah I was trying to get !botslap added03:37
DaSkreechWith an appropriate Yes master! I will try to do better next time response03:38
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about botldap - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:38
jdongnope that doesn't work either.03:38
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DaSkreechMan I should apply for a passport!03:49
jjessewhy DaSkreech?03:49
DaSkreechFree Fruit platter :)03:49
DaSkreechjjesse: are you on the new Ubuntu book?03:50
jjessefinishing changes tonight :)03:50
HobbseeDaSkreech: no.  i found the apples when i went shopping last night, and mum had the bananas :P03:50
Hobbseeso almost free03:50
jjessewell hopeflly tonight03:50
DaSkreechjjesse: Is it an extension of the first book or rewritten?03:51
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jjesseDaSkreech: it started out as an update, but i'm rewriting the whole thing because so much changed03:51
DaSkreechOk. There were a whole slew of errors/typos/misleading thingys in the first book03:52
jjesseyeah i know that as well03:52
jjessewhich is why i'm re writting so much03:52
DaSkreechYour section had few but if you like I'll be willing to proofread03:52
jjesseDaSkreech: that would be fine, email me03:52
DaSkreechOh right you work on icthux03:53
DaSkreechHow's that going?03:54
jjesseslow so far03:54
jjessei think most of the people are busy working on ubuntu/kubuntu stuff03:54
Hobbseewouldnt suprise me03:55
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Jucatoyou didn't drown the first time03:56
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DaSkreechIt could have red I'm drowning :)03:57
Hobbseethe reason my sponsors mail wasnt getting delivered to the sponsors folder, was because i'd changed where the sponsors folder was in the heirachy, gmail couldnt find the folder, so forwarded it to the inbox, and the normal rules handled it03:58
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LaserJockanybody about?06:51
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nixternalwe are all on vacation06:54
LaserJockwho gets vacations!06:55
LaserJockback to work!06:55
nixternalI don't, that's for sure06:55
nixternalI did homework tonight06:56
LaserJockI keep missing the Big Kahuna06:56
nixternalya, you have to wake up early for him06:56
LaserJocktrying to track down this weird power issue06:57
nixternalstill tracking it down06:57
LaserJockI don't even know where to start06:57
nixternalwhat is the issue?06:57
LaserJockKDE just shuts down my laptop06:58
nixternalare you dual booting with ubuntu, or have the gnome desktop installed as well?06:58
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LaserJockgnome as well06:58
joejaxx:) :D06:58
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nixternalthat's why. That is Kubuntu's way of telling you that you need to get rid of the inferior DE. come'on, you didn't read Linus' post this week :)06:59
LaserJockof course I did, that's why I was in KDE in the first place06:59
LaserJockthen it went down hard06:59
nixternalLaserJock: does it just shutdown on its own, locking the lid?06:59
LaserJockon it's own06:59
LaserJockI'm sitting there typing and boom, it's gone07:00
nixternalthat is not good07:00
LaserJocklast time it took 2 reboots to get everything in order07:00
crimsunwell, there's weird hal+*dm+acpi stuff interacting currently07:00
nixternalanything funky in the logs?07:00
LaserJockimbrandon said the power management is the same backend07:00
LaserJockso I can't figure out why it'd do it07:00
crimsunfor instance, killing the X server if running gdm will restart the computer07:01
LaserJockcrimsun: but would that cause a KDE specific problem?07:01
crimsunno, it's *dm-agnostic07:01
crimsunwe're amidst an X.Org transition, a hal transition, a kernel transition, and who knows what else07:01
crimsunstuff is /going/ to break.07:01
LaserJockwell sure07:02
nixternalwhere are the ops when you need to kick the sh!t out of someone stupid07:02
crimsunnixternal: where?07:02
LaserJockbut I wouldn't think it would selectively break KDE07:02
nixternalthey don't listen to me or jucato07:02
nixternalkite is a troll07:02
crimsunreading backscroll07:02
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Jucatonixternal: I'm just waiting for him to do something stupid again07:03
LaserJockcrimsun: do you know what the appropriate log file would be to look at?07:03
nixternalahh, you have the powers ey?07:03
nixternalI am just a peon I guess07:04
Jucatonixternal: yessssh :)07:04
crimsunhe's being annoying, yes, but not anything abruptly worth booting imo07:04
Jucato+1 crimsun07:04
Jucatoat least nothing yet07:04
nixternalno, don't need to boot um07:04
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crimsunLaserJock: /var/log/syslog, possibly the *dm log files or /var/log/Xorg.0.log07:05
nixternalhaha LaserJock07:05
nixternalI was going to bed07:05
nixternalbut I can't find my way07:05
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crimsunyes, aptitude install ubuntu-desktop ...07:06
crimsunoops, wrong channel!07:06
nixternalaptitude purge ubuntu-desktop07:06
Jucatosudo aptitude purge --purge-unused ubuntu-desktop :D07:07
Jucatoyes, I know I'm brutal :P07:07
nixternalsudo apt-get install windows-vista07:07
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nixternalmight as well since you are doing the ubuntu-desktop thing :)07:07
Jucatobah wrong channel... I don't have cow powers in here :)07:07
nixternalheh, I don't get how I am on the op team, but don't have any op powers07:08
nixternale.tarded if you ask me07:08
LaserJocknixternal: dude, that was way worse07:08
nixternalwhat was?07:08
nixternaldude, you didn't listen to me did you?07:08
LaserJocknixternal: apt-get install windows-vista is way worse than apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ;-)07:09
nixternalI was playing with beryl earlier07:09
Jucatonixternal: you're an op in #ubuntu-ops.. if that matters :)07:09
nixternalI don't see the hooplah07:09
nixternalJucato: level 5 != op07:09
Jucatoah ok07:09
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nixternalhaha, dude asked me how to change his nickserv password. I told him to message it to me and I will do it07:11
Tm_TErr, ok.07:11
nixternalhe didn't fall for it07:12
Jucatosnap! :D07:12
LaserJockwell, syslog wasn't so helpful. Network Manager is very verbose though07:13
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nixternalg'nite all07:15
Jucatonight nixternal! sweet kDreams07:16
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DaSkreechWell I have my Kdream music for the night07:30
DaSkreechGnight all07:30
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Jucatohi Tonio_11:11
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Tonio__Sime: nice work with the media things ;) it is far away better now !11:17
RiddellTonio_: what's changed?11:28
_StefanS_Tonio_: nice packaging :) - received the updates this morning11:31
Tonio_Riddell: icon names on the desktop etc...11:32
Tonio__StefanS_: are the fonts okay fot you now ?11:32
Tonio_you should look at this, that really impressive11:33
_StefanS_Tonio_: fonts okay ? I noticed they have the same size now as the username/password fields in kdm11:34
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Tonio__StefanS_: yes that means they are fixed :)11:35
_StefanS_Tonio_: thats freaking impressive11:38
Tonio__StefanS_: yes ;)11:38
Tonio_I already saw things like that, but this one is the most impressive by far11:39
_StefanS_Tonio_: its amazing when using those simple tools11:39
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_StefanS_Tonio_: but you can see its an artists hand working there11:40
_StefanS_Tonio_: what was the problem with the fonts anyway? DPI settings ?11:44
Tonio__StefanS_: bad width with certain of them...11:46
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=== Hobbsee waves
Tonio_Riddell: something I thought about concerning the space usage on the cd12:37
Tonio_Riddell: what appart from speedcrunch is using qt4 ?12:37
Tonio_because qt4 just for speedcrunch would mean that we are loosing :12:37
Riddellumm... ubiquity  :)12:37
Tonio_okay :)12:37
Riddelllanguage-installer too12:37
Riddellapport now as well12:38
Tonio_Riddell: not to burry speedcrunch once again, I'm just searching for ways to free some space....12:38
Tonio_Riddell: how about winfloss cleaning ?12:38
Tonio_Riddell: who should we ping to ask ?12:38
Tonio_Riddell: fyi, I tested kexi.... works, bu really unstable12:38
=== Riddell ponders the Report a Problem entry that has appeared in the menu
Tonio_I'd say beta1 level12:38
Tonio_Riddell: yes I saw taht12:39
Tonio_Riddell: kexi is 16 MB12:39
Tonio_that would free lots of space just to remove this :)12:39
HobbseeRiddell: yes, it's appeared.  it's really making the menu quite clogged12:39
Tonio_Riddell: will you ping heno or can I ?12:39
HobbseeRiddell: do we want konvi to start up a system tray icon?12:39
Hobbseeon the basis that systray icons are evil?12:40
Tonio_Hobbsee: that should be in "help" in apps, not in the kmenu.....12:40
Tonio_Hobbsee: yes we should12:40
HobbseeTonio_: yes we should to which?12:40
Tonio_Hobbsee: for apps that mean "we are staying connected for long" the systray is very usefull12:40
HobbseeTonio_: that's what i was thinking @ the help in apps12:40
Hobbseehrm, possibly.  but it's yet another systray icon12:41
Tonio_Hobbsee: I'd say konvi and kopete are the to that we should keep12:41
Tonio_Hobbsee: there aren't that many apps that are started in the tray12:41
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RiddellTonio_: depends on what you'll ask him :)12:41
RiddellHobbsee: /I/ don't want it in the systray but everyone else seems to expect it12:42
Tonio_Riddell: I'll discuss with him on what I think isn't stable enough and mature to stay on the cd ;)12:42
HobbseeTonio_: kopete is kinda different.  you only load konvi once, then minimise it12:42
Tonio_Riddell: in my opinion, kdepim, speedcrunch and kexi should go12:42
HobbseeRiddell: heh.  dunno why12:42
Tonio_Riddell: we can keep the other apps12:42
HobbseeTonio_: is the kdepim, etc, actually being updated at all?12:42
Riddellspeedcrunch is perfectly mature12:42
Tonio_kdepim and kexi are not stable enough to be used, and speedcrunch is juste, mostly useless for a windows user...12:42
Riddellwindows users don't do sums?12:43
Hobbseethey have that window calculator12:43
Riddellkdepim doesn't seem to be maintained12:43
Tonio_Riddell: yes, but in my opinion useless, as the windows default calculator is much more powerfull than kcal :)12:43
Hobbseewhich has a scientific mode, etc12:43
Tonio_Riddell: honnestly the default windows calc is very powerfull12:43
Tonio_can do syn, cos, tan etc...12:43
Tonio_no need of speedcrunch for them12:44
Hobbseewhat's syn?  :P12:44
Tonio_for kubuntu, I agree kcalc is really limited12:44
Tonio_Hobbsee: synus, cossynus etc.... maybe english names are different...;12:44
Tonio_Hobbsee: that's geometry12:44
Hobbseeah.  sin.12:44
Tonio_syn in french ;)12:44
Hobbseesine, cosine, tan, are the english equivalents :)12:44
=== Hobbsee didnt think they would be translated. interesting
Tonio_Riddell: of course speedcrunch is mature, but I don't see any window user saying "wow, super calculator, let's install !"12:45
=== Hobbsee thought they were latin or something...
Tonio_Riddell: the windows one is already the same level than speedcrunch12:45
Tonio_if not better12:45
Tonio_can do convertions too....12:46
Tonio_and well the speedcrunch setup is 4MB, bigger than digikam :)12:47
=== Tonio_ pings heno
_StefanS_Tonio_: those ping's, do I need to set something up to make konversation react to them ?12:51
Hobbsee_StefanS_: not really.  it usually flashes12:51
_StefanS_Hobbsee: oka, you mean the trayicon (?)12:52
Hobbseeor the window, + the channel12:52
Hobbseesee settings, configure notifications12:52
_StefanS_Hobbsee: ok then..12:52
Hobbseein particular, for when your nick is mentioend12:53
_StefanS_Hobbsee: ok, I already have that... I was just wondering how you were set up12:54
Tonio__StefanS_: that's better no ? :)12:54
Hobbseeahh :)12:54
Tonio_Riddell: looks possible to change winfloss, kool ;)12:54
HobbseeTonio_: yay!12:55
Tonio_[12:56]  <heno> Tonio_: so that leaves firefox, thunderbird and scribus12:56
Hobbseewhat's scribus?12:56
Tonio_Riddell: I gave my comments concerning speedcrunch and said he should see that with you :)12:56
Tonio_Hobbsee: free equivalent to quark Xpress12:57
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=== Hobbsee doesnt know what that is either.
=== Hobbsee googles
Tonio_Riddell: I know you LOVE speedcrunch :) but the need of this on kubuntu and windows is really different....12:57
Hobbseenice :)12:57
=== _StefanS_ prefers kcalc even though it might not be that powerful
_StefanS_by works12:58
Tonio_okay so kdepim, kexi and speedcrunch will be droped..... that'll give a bit a fresh air to include interesting stuff :)12:59
Riddellwell as I say, it's not really possible in a 1 CD distro to include interesting stuff, base OS is all01:00
Tonio_Riddell: I agree we cannot ship with everything01:02
Tonio_Riddell: but to me (personnal opinion) digikam is to be considered as k3b or amarok, as bsolutly needed apps01:02
Tonio_Riddell: everyone as a numeric camera nowadays01:02
_StefanS_Tonio_: and a burner ;)01:03
Tonio__StefanS_: that's why I say "the same"01:03
Tonio_Riddell: I agree plugins are not necessary on a 1 cd distro01:03
Tonio_and I'd say eventually that a voip software is "optional"01:03
Hobbseedigital, probably01:04
Tonio_digital sorry :) (french bad translation)01:04
Riddellwhat's the French word?01:04
Tonio_we say "numrique" in french :)01:04
Tonio_tout  fait :)01:04
_StefanS_Tonio_: how much space is left on the cd ?01:04
Riddell_StefanS_: none01:04
_StefanS_Riddell: greate01:05
_StefanS_great even ;)01:05
Tonio__StefanS_: droping kexi, kdepim and speedcrunch, about 28MB01:05
Riddellinfact, about negative 10 MB01:05
Hobbseethen drop all the windows apps :P01:05
Tonio_depends if Riddell already have plans to include other stuff :)01:05
Riddellsince we currently don't have example-content, and that's a requirement (alas)01:05
Hobbseewhat, complete with the "fill this in here"?01:05
Tonio_Riddell: I also wonder aboug scribus....01:05
Tonio_only professionnal need this no ?01:06
Tonio_my mother doesn't I guess01:06
_StefanS_leave out scribus01:06
_StefanS_you can do much of the stuff in OOo anyways01:06
Tonio_firefox and thunderbird are perfect, I'd say eventually I'd favor for example gimp to scribus in winfloss....01:06
Tonio_I don't see who except in companies are using scribus01:06
Tonio_and companies don't use the kubuntu cd to install windows apps btw ;)01:07
=== Hobbsee wonders about using portable firefox, etc.
Tonio_Riddell: no ?01:07
_StefanS_well I could imagine if I were doing school essays I might use something like scribus to set up the pages properly01:07
Riddellthe idea is to include sample KDE apps01:07
Tonio_Riddell: yes, and the problem is that kde apps on windows are..... bloated except scribus, I agree01:08
_StefanS_Riddell: do you plan to include thunderbird and firefox as default, like Tonio_ mentions ? (good idea)01:08
Hobbseewhich is semi-depreciated, as it's now a live cd?01:08
Tonio_Riddell: but scribus is 17MB....01:08
RiddellHobbsee: it has always been a live CD01:08
Riddell_StefanS_: we always have yes01:08
Tonio_Riddell: that's a lot for something 95% users will never see the need of....01:08
Tonio_Riddell: it is in fact the biggest app on winfloss....01:09
Tonio__StefanS_: I'm talking about winfloss, not kubuntu !01:09
_StefanS_Tonio_: sorry01:09
Tonio_no firefox on kubuntu PLEASE ! :)01:09
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_StefanS_though you were talking about dentalfloss01:10
_StefanS_thought :D01:10
Tonio_Riddell: and btw, scribus is not a kde apps :)01:10
Tonio_it's a qt one like googleearth01:10
Riddelltalking of google earth, I tried marble the other day, it's very nice01:11
Tonio_Riddell: what is marble ?01:11
Riddellbasic google earth clone01:11
=== Tonio_ searches for more usefull qt/kde apps that we can include
Riddellbut it doesn't need accelarated hardware, would be cool to have it replace the map in ubiquity (summer of code task!)01:11
Riddellanyway, I'd go for speedcrunch and kexi on the winfoss01:12
Tonio_since to me scribus is really..... useless, even if fantastic application01:12
Tonio_Riddell: you want kexi on winfloss ?01:12
HobbseeTonio_: does basket work on windows?01:12
Tonio_Hobbsee: I don't know01:12
Hobbseeit seems not :(01:13
Riddellno, basket is KDE only01:13
Tonio_Riddell: did you try to use it ? it crashes every 3 minutes....01:13
praetorTonio_: why no firefox?01:13
Tonio_praetor: already in01:13
Tonio_I'm just concerned by the interest for the people in apps we are providing...01:14
Tonio_speedcrunch dupes something already on windows, with nothing better, scribus is an app designed for professional usage....01:15
Tonio_krita eventually would be interesting, but that's linux only atm01:16
Riddellyes, the selection of KDE apps on windows is pretty limited, should be much cooler with KDE 401:17
Jucatowhat winfoss apps does the Ubuntu Desktop come with?01:17
Jucatoer. "Desktop CD"01:17
Tonio_Riddell: true, I agree on that point01:17
RiddellJucato: firefox, thunderbird, gimp, inkscape, something else I can't remember01:17
Riddellmaybe Dia01:18
Tonio_Riddell: but to be clear, I think I missunderstood your last message01:18
Riddellwe used to include open office, now that did take up space :)01:18
Tonio_Riddell: do you want kexi and speedcrunch on the cd ?01:18
JucatoTonio_: seeing as the Ubuntu Desktop CD already has the GIMP and Inkscape, maybe it would be better to leave Scribus on ours :)01:18
RiddellTonio_: that would be my choice for winfoss, and scrap scribus and kdepim01:18
Riddellit might come with Gaim too01:19
Tonio_Riddell: you really should install kexi on windows and try it.... I did01:19
Riddellworked last I tried it01:19
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Tonio_hum, it launches yes, but I tried to use it for one hour, 4 crashes in my case....01:19
Tonio_but well maybe that's just my windows machine.... I don't know01:20
Tonio_I agree if it is stable, we should/can keep it01:21
Tonio_Riddell: but concerning speedcrunch... it currently is like a pure copy of the default calc01:21
Riddellit is a commercially supported app, so it should be01:21
Tonio_Riddell: okay for kexi then....01:21
=== Hobbsee wonders when the last time Riddell used windows was
=== Jucato tries to read that sentence again and again...
Tonio_Riddell: kexi is nice, and powerfull, maybe my tweaked windows just didn't like it :)01:22
_StefanS_Jucato: just swap some words01:22
JucatoHobbsee: I know it's probably grammatically correct.. it just sounds strange :)01:22
=== Hobbsee rephrases - wondering when Riddell last used windows
Tonio_Riddell: let's drop scribus for kexi then I'm okay01:22
HobbseeJucato: it is, kyes01:22
Tonio_Riddell: kexi can be more usefull for windows users scribus is01:22
Tonio_btw, if I was "god" to decide, I'd drop the all winfloss :)01:32
Tonio_softwares can be a luxury on a 1CD distro, I agree01:32
Tonio_but then winfloss is even more a luxury...01:32
_StefanS_err.... yep.01:34
=== Hobbsee +1 Tonio_
Hobbseekexi's the DB thing isnt it?  seeing how crap access is, i think that'd be a welcome change01:34
Tonio_especially when theopencd already does a winderfull job !01:35
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Riddellwe don't give out openCDs though01:36
Tonio_Riddell: we should! haha :)01:36
Hobbseewe could start, or at least link to it :P01:36
Tonio_Riddell: joking of course :)01:36
Tonio_Riddell: remember what sebas suggested :01:36
Tonio_"replace winfloss with a good page describing kubuntu, with installation instructions and links for externall things, like theopencd"01:37
Tonio_I LOVE that idea01:37
=== Hobbsee wonders if this is a kubuntu council issue.
Tonio_more efficient, no space usage !01:37
Tonio_simply perfect01:37
Tonio_we could even link to firefox, thunderbird etc...01:38
Tonio_nixternal could do a very good and usefull job on that point....01:38
Hobbseei think Riddell's stopped listening to you, Tonio_ :P01:40
Tonio_Hobbsee: I would do the same if I were him :)01:40
Jucatoif he were you and you were him... @_@01:41
Tonio_btw it is probably too late for feisty, but that really should be discussed during the UDS for feisty+101:41
Tonio_we cannot spend our time fighting with the space usage for (in my opinion) bad reasons01:42
Tonio_we already are splitting lots of package to remove docs etc.....01:42
Tonio_Riddell: I admit "lot" was too much :)01:42
Tonio_Riddell: but we splitted digikam for this, and now we remove it :)01:43
=== Hobbsee looks for the cluebat
Tonio_Riddell: debian just synced their packaging with us01:43
Riddellit's still on the amd64 CD01:43
Tonio_Riddell: indeed, good point01:44
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Tonio_Riddell: not to bother you on that point, I understand there are things behind this01:45
Tonio_Riddell: but can we think about a feisty+1 without winfloss, or is that impossible due to shipit and canonical marketing's plan ?01:46
Riddellyes, it's required01:46
Riddellbut I really think you undervalue winfoss01:46
Tonio_Riddell: maybe...01:46
Riddellmost people who get given a CD will not end up installing kubuntu01:46
Tonio_Riddell: well I understand the need of that kind of thing01:47
Tonio_Riddell: just that winfloss super limited compared theopencd, and handicaps kubuntu a lot01:47
Tonio_Riddell: the perfect thing would be that shipit comes out with 2 cds, 1 kubuntu and theopencd01:48
Tonio_or switch to dvd as everyone does01:48
Tonio_but 1cd as lots of advantages too so.....01:48
Tonio_Riddell: don't get me wrong, I understand and agree that winfloss promotes freesoftwares a lot01:49
Tonio_Riddell: I'm just wondering if promoting free softwares over windows is nice....01:49
Tonio_Riddell: to me that's dangerous :)01:49
Tonio_Riddell: like wine.... wow would have benn ported on linux without wine/cedega01:49
Riddellyes it is, that's why we should only include buggy applications :)01:49
Tonio_Riddell: same problem here for me, but that's a very personal vision, I agree01:50
Tonio_Riddell: haha :)01:50
Tonio_Riddell: even when talking about very nice apps like firefox01:50
Tonio_firefox success on windows means what ?01:51
Tonio_no more optimisation and integration on linux01:51
Tonio_and I'd say the same for kde4 and windows, that's very dangerous too....01:51
Riddellthat's freedom for you01:52
Tonio_what will I answer to people asking "what is better with linux ?"01:52
Tonio_"nothing, you'll get the same desktop and apps, just with hardware and drivers problems !!"01:52
Tonio_hard to convince someone to switch then :)01:52
Tonio_haha :)01:52
Tonio_yakUake ;), my favorite one :)01:52
Tonio_Riddell: well the new MS shell is unfortunatelly very nice :)01:53
Tonio_can be compared to bash.....01:53
Tonio_Riddell: but talking about "undervaluing"01:56
Tonio_Riddell: you may know I'm considered a MS/windows "expert"01:56
Tonio_I know exactly how are people using their windows :01:57
Tonio_- just use the defaults01:57
Tonio_- install simantec shit because that well known01:57
Tonio_- consider something that you don't pay for is logivally bloated...01:58
Tonio_before switching to linux, I used exclusivelly free softwares with windows01:59
Tonio_and I spent MONTH convincing people that something that you don't pay for is very often better than paying things.....01:59
HobbseeThe digiKam team is proud to announce the first beta release digiKam 0.9.1 and digiKamimageplugins
=== Hobbsee wonders if we have that, and if we want it
Tonio_Hobbsee: we don't but allee will do it, no doubt :)02:00
Tonio_Riddell: in my opinion, in fact, someone that will somehow get the kubuntu cd is already an interested user02:01
Tonio_Riddell: that means he already knows what firefox is btw :)02:01
Tonio_Riddell: but yes, I'm not a marketing expert, so let's canonical decide ;)02:01
Tonio_I'm just concerned about the handicap when you compare what you get with an opensuse install out of the box, that comes with everything you will ever need....02:02
Tonio_same for mandriva btw02:03
Tonio_Riddell: changing the subject, new dpkg requires that a *ubuntu* version has a ubuntu.com maintainer02:04
Tonio_Riddell: I've put your name for kdebase and qt-x11-free, is that okay ?02:04
Tonio_or should we use something like "developpers@kubuntu.org" ?02:05
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RiddellTonio_: yes, that's fine02:06
RiddellTonio_: it could be kubuntu-devel@lists.u ..02:06
Tonio_Kubuntu Development Team <kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>02:07
Tonio_like this then ?02:07
Tonio_I'll write an email to the frozen bobble team....02:09
Tonio_yesterday I went level 75 without loosing anytime... too easy ;)02:09
_StefanS_Tonio_: did you notice when you click on thunderbird/firefox icons in kicker the icon is just a generic gear, not the actual app icons (?)02:16
Tonio__StefanS_: that's a gtk-qt-engines tweak02:17
_StefanS_Tonio_: err.. a bug you mean ?02:17
_StefanS_Tonio_: or feature ? :D02:17
Tonio__StefanS_: I can't reprocude here in fact02:17
_StefanS_Tonio_: I just took the application entries from Kmenu->Internet and dragged them to kicker02:17
Tonio__StefanS_: did the same, no probem with the icon here....02:18
_StefanS_Tonio_: its only after you reboot/logout its wrong ..02:18
_StefanS_Tonio_: to start with, like you did - it works :)02:18
Tonio__StefanS_: let me check02:18
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Tonio__StefanS_: works here.... sorry !02:20
_StefanS_Tonio_: what the heck... hmm wierd02:22
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_StefanS_Tonio_: I mean the bouncing feedback, is that what you mean also?02:23
_StefanS_Tonio_: The kicker icon is fine, its the launch feedback "bouncing cursor" that craps out02:23
_StefanS_Tonio_: displaying only a gear02:23
Tonio__StefanS_: I'll have to investigate but here I can't reproduce....02:26
Tonio_I'll try with herd402:26
_StefanS_Tonio_: well I could try that also..02:26
_StefanS_Tonio_: btw, wasnt upstart suppose to make the boot faster ? :) - cause I havent really seen that happening02:28
=== _StefanS_ is testing on herd4
Tonio__StefanS_: feisty is longuer than edgy02:29
_StefanS_Tonio_: yea I thought so also02:29
Tonio__StefanS_: but the speed gain was really there with edgy02:29
_StefanS_Tonio_: yea.. donno what happened. Also the dhcp delay is just nuts (30secs) if you're on a laptop02:30
_StefanS_Tonio_: it should check link up/down and then move on as nessecary02:31
Tonio__StefanS_: yup, but well I don't really know how upstart works and what it does :)02:32
Tonio__StefanS_: to me that "just works" so that's okay :)02:33
Tonio_I should look at it in the future.... :)02:33
_StefanS_Tonio_: hmm seems like my current updated herd1 -> latest have an issue with that icon.. it works in a standard feisy herd 4 (latest)02:35
_StefanS_I was just wondering... do we some hardware to speed up development for kubuntu ?02:38
Riddellone day we'll get personal package archives to do the compiling for us02:41
_StefanS_personal package archives ?02:41
LongPointyStick_StefanS_: imbrandon has a build machine, there are various people giving out ssh access to their machines02:41
_StefanS_LongPointyStick: I guess I have one 2.16ghz core duo laptop that could be used for that purpose02:42
_StefanS_LongPointyStick: its always on02:42
=== LongPointyStick DOOOMS stupid customers.
_StefanS_LongPointyStick: its pretty fast actually, who should I contact about such stuff... Riddell ?02:43
LongPointyStickdunno..maybe him, maybe me02:44
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=== _StefanS_ does too
Riddell_StefanS_: there's nothing format organised02:44
Riddellit might be an idea to do that, but it should be done with ubuntu-motu I think02:44
_StefanS_oh yea ofcourse02:44
=== _StefanS_ is getting a new mini-itx c7 1.5ghz tommorow... silent as hell :)
_StefanS_(but not very fast either)02:45
_StefanS_back to the reading..02:45
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DaSkreechIs there anyway to change the bootsplash text from being blue04:40
nixternalDaSkreech: don't know of a config file, but maybe somewhere in the source?04:45
nixternalI am checking now04:45
Riddellyes, there is04:45
=== Jucato thinks it's hardcoded
JucatoRiddell: is there a wiki or page somewhere that explains the merits of USplash over other bootsplash engines?04:46
nixternalhrmm, I see where foreground is hardcoded in a example-theme dir04:47
nixternal.text_foreground = 0x31;04:47
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DaSkreechRiddell: Marble is nice. Has some good applications as well :)05:07
Riddellfeel free to integrate it into ubiquity if you have a bored weekend :)05:08
Jucatoheh :)05:09
DaSkreechTonio_: Firefox has always been Windows App. For the foreseeable future it will be a Windows app. Deal with it05:12
DaSkreechOK caught up now05:15
DaSkreechTonio_ was complaining that firefox success on Windows means less integration for LInux05:16
DaSkreech Firefox was always a Windows Application. It's mostly due to it's heritage that it runs on other OSes05:16
DaSkreechit was designed and created simply to destroy IE and make the Web usable again.05:17
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DaSkreechnixternal: So without a recompile. No.05:19
abattoirRiddell: speaking of marble, using SIP is the best way to pythonize it?05:22
Riddellabattoir: for Qt it should be05:23
Riddellalthough I've never done it05:23
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abattoirRiddell: as i told you before, i'll have a go at it for oem-config05:25
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Riddellabattoir: cool, but don't block getting oem-config uploaded for adding luxury features05:27
Riddellit's important to get it in the distro as soon as possible05:27
abattoir_Riddell: yeah, i'll try my best, else i'll revert to the map that's currently being used05:27
Riddellabattoir_: actually, marble isn't in main and I don't know if we can fit it on the CD so it probably isn't an option05:28
abattoir_Riddell: i've been working using ubiquity as the backend, as the backend is not ready yet05:28
abattoir_Riddell: aah ok, then05:29
DaSkreechJucato: ervin's blog?05:36
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Riddellkwwii: did you get round to doing the kubuntu usplash?05:53
kwwiiRiddell: since I missed the deadline for herd4 I put it off for a few days05:56
kwwiiRiddell: been working on the logo itself05:56
kwwiithat will be the main change05:56
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kwwiimaking it look better05:56
kwwiiand then using that in the usplash, kdm and ksplash05:56
kwwiioh, and making a nicer progress bar the usplash (that is done)05:57
DaSkreechWill there be new wallpapers etc for Feisty?06:00
kwwiiDaSkreech: nothing radically new, just tweaking the colors06:01
kwwiisomeone mentioned working on an amarok theme06:01
DaSkreechSeen the new splash screen?06:02
kwwiiDaSkreech: which one?06:02
kwwiihaven't seen feisty live06:02
kwwiimy vmware won't install it06:03
Riddellwe turn off the amarok splash screen in kubuntu06:04
DaSkreechHmm can't get to websvn06:04
DaSkreechThat'll do06:05
kwwiiwell, that is quite a change06:06
kwwiiI wonder what it is supposed to mean :p06:06
DaSkreechAmarok 2.0 is uderway06:12
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DaSkreechhunger: ping06:23
hungerDaSkreech: pong.06:25
DaSkreechhunger: Have you seen Khalki ?06:46
Riddellgood number of people editing FeistyFawn/Herd4/Kubuntu/Feedback06:56
Riddellshame about all the edit conflicts, but can't be helped06:56
DaSkreechCool :) good things I hope?06:58
DaSkreechblast :(07:05
Riddellsome of them are07:10
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Tonio_DaSkreech: yes and no07:37
Tonio_DaSkreech: firefox is, yes a windows application, as mozilla used to be07:37
Tonio_but firefox exists because of linux07:38
Tonio_mozilla would have died without the linux support years ago07:38
Tonio_but what I see is that firefox on linux becomes slower and slower in the time....07:38
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ScottKDon't worry.  Now that all patches have to be approved by Mozilla, I'm sure it will get faster.07:43
=== ScottK ducks.
DaSkreechTonio_: then ask for a Seamonkey package for *buntu07:46
DaSkreechI'm sure it probably uses like 1/2 the memory that firefox uses and is highly likely to be more responsive to the Linux majority (whatever that means)07:47
DaSkreechWhere is track changes in Kword?07:48
Tonio_DaSkreech: I don't mind firefox performances :) I'm using konqueror :)07:56
Tonio_DaSkreech: I was just demonstrating that promoting free softwares on windows is, in my opinion, dangerous for linux :)07:56
DaSkreechTonio_: Alright... What were we arguing about? :)07:57
DaSkreechTonio_: Promoting all of them is dangerous. Select ones I think is useful07:57
DaSkreechI would argue the ones which are most differentiated from Windows versions are the best ones to promote on Windows07:58
Tonio_DaSkreech: long debate :) depending the context for me :)07:58
DaSkreech sort of Look how good life is over here kind of thing07:58
Tonio_Riddell: I just didn't find anything concerning kdesktop....07:58
Riddellit's spooky08:02
seelekwwii: ping08:04
seelekwwii: have some questions about this logout dialog08:04
Riddellseele: the kde logout dialogue?  it's not made by kwwii08:05
seeleRiddell: oh, he asked me to look at it (and Hobbsee)08:05
seelesomething about the order of the functions08:05
Riddelloh, ok08:06
Riddellcarry on :)08:06
seelelol, hes not here but thanks :)08:06
DaSkreechman and I just pimped out my Logout screen too :(08:09
kwwiiseele: pong08:16
seelekwwii: hey, i had some comments/questions about the logout screen you gave me last week08:17
seelebut i dont know if i should direct them to you or someone else08:17
Tonio_Riddell: I'll test opensuse tu check if that's kubuntu specific08:18
kwwiiseele: well, technical stuff to someone else...I was really mainly asking about the order of the functions08:18
Tonio_hi mr kwwii ;)08:18
seeleok, do you know who is working on it?08:18
kwwiihowdy Tonio_08:18
kwwiiseele: StefanS is his nick, I think08:18
kwwiiI am sure someone who knows exactly08:19
seeleRiddell: do you know who is working on the logout dialog?08:19
Riddellseele: stefans is08:23
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DaSkreechRiddell: Heh08:40
Tonio_DaSkreech: you can response him than exchange support in evolution is really hackish08:48
DaSkreechTonio_: Which the first or second?08:48
Tonio_it frontends outlook web access, doesn't use the MAPI protocol08:48
Tonio_Exchange Support08:48
Tonio_this part08:48
DaSkreechok First link then08:48
=== jdong smacks nixternal for that terrible pun on planet.
Tonio_with kontact you can use imap with exchange (need to enable that on the server side)08:48
nixternalBeryl of Fun!!!08:49
=== jdong smacks nixternal for "compositize"
Tonio_and for the calendar, you can connect to exchange, there is a plugin for08:49
nixternaljdong: bushism08:49
jdongnixternal: lol :) you misunderestimated the critisizingness of Planet readers.08:49
DaSkreechShouldn't it be Komositize? Shirley?08:50
jdongKompositized :D08:50
nixternalthese Geico and caveman commercials are wearing thin on me now08:50
jdongnixternal: HeadOn -- Applied DIRECTLY to the forehead!08:50
jdongnixternal: HeadOn -- Applied DIRECTLY to the forehead!08:50
nixternalI love the HeadOn, shut up I hate your commercial, but I love your product08:51
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Tonio_Riddell: appart from the context menu cut/copy/paste options, what else is broken in kdesktop ?09:31
Tonio_Riddell: I'd like to make some tests, but I don't see anything else that don't work...09:31
RiddellTonio_: it doesn't go right to left when you start it in a semitic langauge09:32
Tonio_hum, indeed :)09:32
Tonio_that'll help searching thanks....09:32
Tonio_Riddell: I'm looking at debian first for patches, then the horrible kde bts ;)09:32
Riddellit doesn't load the .po file or something09:32
Riddelltry stracing it to see what .po files it loads09:33
Riddellwould be interesting to know if it works from straight kde svn09:33
Tonio_Riddell: I have time to fix this, that on the top of my todo :)09:33
DaSkreech+1 krunner09:33
alleeAnyone knows when Lure will will reappear?09:39
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Tonio_Riddell: I'll probably merge a few debian patches for kde, there is interesting things in there....09:41
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Tonio_Riddell: hum, building kde from svn ?09:48
Tonio_can do it but well that's a lot of work for a little test ;)09:49
Tonio_Riddell: I'll read svn changelog first ;)09:49
Tonio_Riddell: nothing in debian and nothing in our patches that would/could create this according to me09:50
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Tonio_Riddell: b5ddd000-b5dfc000 r--p 00000000 03:01 969891     /usr/share/locale-langpack/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/libc.mo09:56
Tonio_it loads en_GB here...09:57
Tonio_just ps aux | grep kdesktop and kill the process, you'll get a segfault with the output09:57
Tonio_tonio@kubuntu:~$ locate libc.mo09:57
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Tonio_b6574000-b6575000 r--p 00000000 03:01 971275     /usr/share/locale-langpack/fr/LC_MESSAGES/kfile_png.mo10:02
Tonio_b6575000-b6576000 r--p 00000000 03:01 971575     /usr/share/locale-langpack/fr/LC_MESSAGES/libdmctl.mo10:02
Tonio_everything is loaded in french except libc.mo10:02
Tonio_Riddell: that's a good start to grep the sources :)10:02
Tonio_Riddell: looks like to be distro specific problem.... I was reported on #kde it works for most people10:19
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Tonio_Riddell: I'm downloading opensuse livedvd to compare....10:38
=== DaSkreech hates on people with huge bandwidth
Tonio_DaSkreech: you'll love me then10:39
Tonio_DaSkreech: I just have 20Mb adsl line :)10:39
DaSkreechI have TICk10:39
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Tonio_hey _StefanS_10:41
_StefanS_are just always online, aren't you :D10:42
mhbgood evening all10:42
_StefanS_hi mhb10:42
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alleelibkexiv2 (required by digikam > 0.9.0) is at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4421   I've not set Maintainer to Ubuntu Core Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com> as it's a new pkgs and not in main as it should be at the end.10:48
allee^^ anyone care to have a look?10:48
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LaserJockRiddell or sebas: around for a power managment/KDE question?10:50
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Tonio_allee: no time today for this10:53
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Tonio_allee: can you ping me tomorrow concerning this (I may forget), I'll revu this10:53
alleeTonio_: k and thx10:54
_StefanS_the other tool that works like mii-tool, what is it called ?10:59
ryanakcakindof offtopic question... but... as a school project... I'm writing a Python + PyQt area and volume calculator... and... I've never worked with PyQt or graphical interfaces before... and my teacher has only used VB / VC++ before... so... should I make the graphical interface first? or make the classes and what not first?10:59
_StefanS_for controlling nics10:59
RiddellLaserJock: hmm?11:11
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LaserJockRiddell: I've had KDE (or at least when I'm in KDE)  just randomly shut off my computer11:12
LaserJockRiddell: during edgy I had issues with it randomly hibernating11:13
LaserJockRiddell: I'm wondering how I can diagnose the problem11:13
LaserJockRiddell: any ideas?11:21
RiddellI get the same thing in feisty11:21
Riddellwhere some shortcut keys were recently added which I suspect are a bit over zelous11:21
Riddellhave you only tried edgy or feisty too?11:22
LaserJockthis is on feisty11:22
LaserJockI don't have an Edgy laptop anymore but I think the issue then was a seemingly random hibernation11:23
LaserJockI turned off hibernation and that seemed to stop it11:23
LaserJockRiddell: do you know what shortcut keys?11:25
Riddelldepends on the laptop model11:25
Riddelldo xmodmap -pke | grep XF86Standby11:26
Riddellset   S3_COMMAND = 'echo "`date`:powermanager: suspe11:26
Riddellnd to ram" >> /tmp/powermanager-debug.log'11:26
Riddellall one line11:27
Riddellin /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/powermanage.py11:27
Riddelland similar for S4_COMMAND11:27
Riddellkeep xev running and see if you can work out what the match is next time it gets set off11:28
LaserJockRiddell: is there a bug open on it?11:29
RiddellLaserJock: not that I know of11:38
LaserJockRiddell: ok, so I want to watch xev for the keycode from xmodmap?11:39
RiddellI can't think of a better way I'm afraid11:40
Riddellprobably good to do `while true; do date; sleep 1; done & xev` so you get the timestamp11:42
LaserJockhow will I know I triggered it? watching /tmp powermanager-debug.log?11:45
Riddellset it to lock on hibernate11:47
Riddellthat always gives it away11:48
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