[12:13] <fanscore> bonjour
[12:13] <ChaosEddie> ca va
[12:13] <fanscore> j'ai besoin d'aide, je comprend rien a linux
[12:13] <fanscore> ui et toi?
[12:13] <word> !fe
[12:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:14] <KanRiNiN> Is there a channel for aiglx?  because #aiglx has like 5 users
[12:14] <KanRiNiN> I can't get it to function in kubuntu
[12:14] <ChaosEddie> je ne parle francais tres bien
[12:14] <word> !fr
[12:14] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:14] <xenol> i again get DCOP error
[12:16] <fanscore> !fr
[12:16] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:18] <surgy> someone need me?
[12:18] <ChaosEddie> :(
[12:18] <ChaosEddie> apparently no one needs you
[12:18] <cpk1> that depends, you available next saturday to go bank robbing?
[12:19] <xenol> can anyone tell me wat it s this? i cant sudo kate file http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6485/
[12:19] <cpk1> you shouldnt use sudo with kate anyways
[12:19] <BluesKaj> kdesu kate ...is the way to do it
[12:22] <misterQ> does linux freeze?
[12:22] <word> no...
[12:23] <cpk1> I've had one lock up
[12:23] <cpk1> ever
[12:23] <SlackRat> kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:23] <word> if anything locks up, it's x not linux
[12:23] <SlackRat> depends on the distro, a well made distro no
[12:24] <cpk1> no, it was linux, hardware problem though
[12:24] <SlackRat> slackware never froze on me, but suse has
[12:24] <cpk1> inerted a module for it and locked me up
[12:25] <SlackRat> i think my freeze ups were yast related then
[12:25] <mshade> hardware issues can cause freezes
[12:25] <mshade> dying hard drives can cause freezes
[12:25] <SlackRat> a clunky overlay on a linux system
[12:25] <mshade> and I/O wait can cause freezes
[12:25] <SlackRat> definitely
[12:25] <mshade> but it's much less prevalent
[12:25] <tjz> does anyone have any suggestions on any p2p programs to use on kubuntu?
[12:26] <SlackRat> mshade, i wont tell anyone youre here, if you wont tell anyone im here....   :-P
[12:26] <daleach> sorry a lil off topic but does anyone know how to turn off these notifications of people entering and leaving the chatroom in xchat ?
[12:26] <SlackRat> p2p for what?
[12:26] <tjz> music and stuff
[12:26] <SlackRat> dont look at them.... heh
[12:26] <tjz> like ares
[12:27] <cpk1> bit torrent is good
[12:27] <cpk1> but thats not an app =P
[12:27] <cpk1> i'm using ktorrent right now
[12:27] <cpk1> azureus is also pretty decent
[12:27] <tjz> ok can u send one of those 2 me?
[12:27] <la> emule is the best
[12:28] <tjz> cpk      Crooked Preacher Killer
[12:28] <cpk1> tjz: just use apt
[12:28] <la> but it takes me some time until i will instal it.........
[12:28] <tjz> ok kool
[12:28] <mshade> SlackRat: :-p
[12:28] <la> i'm boring cat
[12:29] <arriesp> hi
[12:29] <mshade> SlackRat: I still love slack on the desktop, but I'm running it only on servers now.. Ubuntu has the full disk on my desktop and laptop now
[12:30] <SlackRat> yeah, but im defaulting on my lappy these days to pcbsd
[12:30] <SlackRat> for speed and ports
[12:31] <mshade> how's the wifi support in bsd?
[12:31] <SlackRat> kubuntu is my 'god i just wanna play some music while i try and write something for this deadline
[12:31] <SlackRat> excellent in my expereince
[12:31] <tjz> whats tha best search engine for ktorrent to get music videos
[12:31] <SlackRat> i have to reconfgiure if i boot into ubuntu every time
[12:31] <SlackRat> bsd just picks up from boot
[12:32] <mshade> SlackRat: knetworkmanager
[12:32] <SlackRat> runs as fast as slack with half the RAM
[12:32] <mshade> SlackRat: repeat after me.. knetworkmanager :)
[12:32] <SlackRat> knetworkmanager
[12:32] <SlackRat> now that i said it?
[12:32] <mshade> it's been my holy grail for mobile connectivity
[12:33] <khaije1> who's pumped about kde4, eh?
[12:33] <SlackRat> thats how i set it up, maybe ill recheck my config
[12:33] <khaije1> anyone know what ubuntu release we'll see that in?
[12:33] <mshade> it remembers keys when it picks up the network, connects automatically, gives you lists of available networks, reconnects when the connection drops
[12:33] <SlackRat> if kde4 has gotten rid of artsd, im pumped
[12:33] <khaije1> SlackRat: ya, it's out
[12:33] <mshade> khaije1: really?
[12:33] <SlackRat> i ll check back into it thanks mshade.....thought i did all that , but maybe not
[12:34] <mshade> SlackRat: i had to change /etc/sysconfig/networks before it worked right
[12:34] <SlackRat> did it once on the bsd and no more work......
[12:34] <SlackRat> aha!
[12:34] <SlackRat> didnt have to edit diddly in bsd
[12:34] <khaije1> mshade: oh ya, thats old news, they're adding an abstraction layer for a pluggable backend, from gstreamer to NMM etc, it's intensely cool! but thats just one of the goodies, which is why i can't wait
[12:35] <mshade> khaije1: yeah, k4 looks awesome :)
[12:35] <mshade> SlackRat: look at /etc/network/interfaces
[12:35] <SlackRat> xcellent
[12:35] <mshade> SlackRat: each line should look like this:
[12:35] <SlackRat> <kicks artsd corpse>
[12:35] <mshade> auto eth0
[12:35] <mshade> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[12:35] <khaije1> it will be the point that i can recommend linux to anyone, i've been waiting forever for that moment
[12:35] <khaije1> SlackRat: haha!
[12:36] <mshade> SlackRat: arts served its purpose for a while..
[12:36] <khaije1> mshade: is E still relevant after aiglx?
[12:36] <mshade> before jack and alsa supported multiple channels easily
[12:36] <SlackRat> i almost gave up on ubuntu this week, till i started using kubuntu resources
[12:36] <mshade> khaije1: I still like its stuff.  It's also much lighter weight than the openGL based stuff
[12:37] <mshade> SlackRat: i still needed native windows to fix my ipod, too.. though that's really apple's fault more than anyone else
[12:37] <khaije1> SlackRat: whats kubuntu resources?
[12:37] <SlackRat> forums and irc
[12:37] <khaije1> mshade: what was wrong w/ it? i haven't needed windows in years, ipod or no
[12:37] <SlackRat> too much white noise and lollercons on standard ubuntu
[12:38] <SlackRat> 900 + people scrolling by.....bleh
[12:38] <mshade> khaije1: i was getting a particular error message -- 'use iTunes to restore'
[12:38] <mshade> on my nano
[12:38] <khaije1> SlackRat: it's a website + irc?
[12:38] <mshade> i tried wine, windows and itunes in vmware, etc
[12:38] <mshade> in the end i just had to restore it with itunes, like it said.
[12:38] <SlackRat> irc on freenode and theres a kubuntu forums site
[12:39] <mshade> using the iPod is fine with amarok etc
[12:39] <SlackRat> smaller, less categories, easier to find how tos and get answers
[12:39] <mshade> SlackRat: yeah, a lot of lamers have jumped on the *buntu wagon :-p
[12:39] <khaije1> mshade: oh man that sucks, interesting how apple manages to tie you in to their services no matter what isn't it?
[12:39] <SlackRat> and since i use kde most all the tme.....
[12:39] <mshade> khaije1: all i needed to do was reflash the firmware, but you can't download it from anywhere.  dd would have worked fine if i had a backup of it
[12:40] <khaije1> SlackRat: haha, by lamers do you mean 'the rest of the world' ?
[12:40] <SlackRat> too many, i think sometimes, makes it hard for people who want to get things working and add to the project
[12:40] <mshade> (like the whole diggnation..)
[12:40] <mshade> khaije1: ;)
[12:40] <SlackRat> had a four page forum flame war over why isnt there an advanced section to the forum for those odd, config problems for people comfortable with linux
[12:40] <khaije1> mshade: lolz-asaurus hex
[12:41] <SlackRat> heh, diggnation
[12:41] <khaije1> mshade: thats good to know about the firmware, people are asking me to fix their ipods all the time, thx
[12:41] <SlackRat> we should start indiggnation
[12:41] <mshade> SlackRat: LOL!!!
[12:41] <mshade> it's taken :(
[12:42] <SlackRat> ur kidding?
[12:42] <SlackRat> damn, have to have a lawyer follow me round copyrighting everything i say now
[12:42] <SlackRat> lol
[12:43] <mshade> heheh
[12:43] <mshade> you get an apache error at http://indiggnation.com/
[12:44] <fanscore> !fr
[12:44] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:45] <SlackRat> kinda makes you indignant , eh?
[12:45] <mshade> ;)
[12:46] <khaije1> since june  05
[12:46] <SlackRat> finally found a bit of sanity in their kubuntu irc and forums
[12:46] <SlackRat> less lollercons
[12:47] <SlackRat> and lamers
[12:48] <khaije1> SlackRat: yr not part troll are you?
[12:48] <SlackRat> nope
[12:48] <SlackRat> just burnt on the whole phenomeon this week.....
[12:48] <khaije1> how do you mean?
[12:48] <SlackRat> misleading info, lots of ado about nothing.....i know theres so many people working their asses off
[12:49] <SlackRat> but theres a flood of literal adolescents running around ,,,,,rant and rave fanboys, gets annoying
[12:50] <SlackRat> with less attention atm on kubuntu, you find less of all that
[12:50] <SlackRat> xubuntu is probaly the zen center of the universe
[12:50] <SlackRat> heh
[12:50] <khaije1> SlackRat: was there some event or something? i must have missed it all
[12:51] <premier_> hello, my computer has not been shutting down properly
[12:51] <SlackRat> nope, not really, it reminded me of running suse and going to suse irc support......it s bedlam
[12:51] <khaije1> i use xubuntu on my laptop, the chan is *rarely* very active
[12:51] <premier_> I get a black screen for a long time when I log out of kde, and sometimes I have to crash it
[12:51] <SlackRat> with people dispensing clearly inapproapirate and wrong info that could trash some new guys system
[12:52] <SlackRat> yeah, like kubuntu, its a bit out of the limelight.....
[12:52] <SlackRat> this channel is more of what one might expect from a linux channel......but the suse and ubuntu?
[12:52] <SlackRat> i steer clear of now
[12:52] <khaije1> where do you fall on the whole kde vs gnome intifada?
[12:53] <premier_> khaije1: I was just trying gnome today, but i crashed.  It was very strange
[12:53] <SlackRat> threres a new intifada? or just the ongoing flame wars?
[12:53] <khaije1> premier_: can you copy 'tail /var/log/syslog'  to the paste bin?
[12:53] <premier_> Its like it tried to load up my kde settings, that didnt end well...
[12:53] <SlackRat> bye
[12:54] <premier_> http://pastebin.ca/362674
[12:54] <khaije1> SlackRat: heh, same old stuff, i don't usually chime in that much but it seems like gnome is better, at producing advanced tech, but kde is better and incorporating it cohesively
[12:54] <premier_> Ive rebooted since I tried gnome
[12:54] <khaije1> just makes me wonder about the future sometimes
[12:55] <SlackRat> kde user, but if gnome or xfce or flux works, great....its about choice
[12:55] <SlackRat> i got a vm of etch running gnome atm somewhere
[12:55] <SlackRat> just not what im used to and not the options i prefer....atm
[12:55] <SlackRat> actually like xfce better than gnome
[12:56] <premier_> SlackRat: maybe Im a gui addict, but xfce is to simple to useful imho, but I havent used it enough to know
[12:57] <premier_> how could I experiment with enlightenment on my computer?
[12:57] <SlackRat> me neither, but its fast and light and i can manuevre round imo easier than gnome if im coming from kde
[12:57] <SlackRat> sit crosslegged in front of your screen and chant OM
[12:57] <SlackRat> oh....u mean the desktop
[12:58] <khaije1> SlackRat: nothing wrong w/ that, there is something that feels natural and appealing about it where as kde can feel like alien technology at times
[12:58] <SlackRat> used it so much on so many distros its real comfortable for me
[12:58] <khaije1> premier_: apt-cache sarch enlightenment
[12:59] <premier_> khaije1: do you have anything to say about that log it pastebinned?
[12:59] <SlackRat> tho i think that kde  (and OO atm) might be starting to add too many buggy useless features for their own good
[01:00] <khaije1> premier_:  actually could you dump more, instead of showing shutdown it only showed the startup info, maybe try tail -100 /var/log/syslog
[01:02] <weatherman> hi, if my provider says it doesn't support pppoe does it mean that I don't have any chance at all to connect through pppoe?
[01:02] <premier_> SlackRat: if thats true, they'll be falling down the windows route.  As a former microsoft user, I can tell you that that windows contains so much useless features that run in the background, consume reasources, and crash your computer
[01:02] <khaije1> weatherman: dsl?
[01:02] <premier_> http://pastebin.ca/362678
[01:03] <weatherman> khaije1: yes sir :)
[01:03] <SlackRat> yup , could be a problem
[01:04] <SlackRat> i think ive seen more feeping creaturism and buggy problems in kde this year than ever before
[01:04] <premier_> khaije1: I was experimenting with beryl, gnome, kde, in different combinations, and I caused a lot of crashes and stuff
[01:04] <khaije1> feeping creaturism? not that *IS* frightening
[01:05] <Dr_willis> I liked some of the features of that Mandriva Mettis live cd i saw the other day
[01:05] <premier_> a pun on creeping featurism, right?
[01:05] <SlackRat> heh, yeah
[01:05] <SlackRat> Mettis??
[01:05] <SolidSource> after installing azureus through adept...does anyones NOT start up, no matter how many times you try to start it?
[01:06] <Dr_willis> yea a fancy desktop thang.. ads some neat featres.. but dosent need a high end video card
[01:06] <khaije1> premier_: i hate to say it but i'm not quite sure what to make of the problem you described
[01:06] <SlackRat> btw, the duvall distro (after Mandriva dumped him) is based on debian i hear....
[01:06] <premier_> beryl-style, or just fancy?
[01:07] <SolidSource> !acroread
[01:07] <ubotu> acroread: Adobe Acrobat Reader: Portable Document Format file viewer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 7.0.9-0.0.ubuntu0.6.10 (edgy), package size 22375 kB, installed size 54700 kB (Only available for i386)
[01:07] <Dr_willis> different from beryl - not as '3dish' and more useable in ways
[01:07] <Dr_willis> Check out the live cd some time.
[01:07] <HymnToLife> SlackRat, based on Ubuntu, even
[01:07] <premier_> khaije1: Actually, Ive been having a lot of trouble with linux.  Given that Im told that its supposed to be more stable, I wondering if there's something Im doing wrong
[01:07] <Dr_willis> I couldent get the live cd to install properly however. :(
[01:07] <HymnToLife> I tested the first alpha live CD of it
[01:08] <HymnToLife> its Kubuntu with different graphics
[01:09] <Dr_willis> given the problems ive had with windows... Linux is a peice of angle food cake with frosting.
[01:09] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:09] <premier_> google mandriva mettis return almost no results... mispelling?
[01:09] <Dr_willis> check the disrtowatch web site
[01:09] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: What is?
[01:09] <Dr_willis> let me see
[01:10] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: mettis?
[01:10] <premier_> well, maybe its my imagination, or maybe its because Im a noob and Im playing around way to much, but it doesnt seem to crash/fail more that I'd like
[01:10] <MuJ> http://www.mandriva.com/projects/metisse/
[01:10] <DaSkreech> premier_: ^^^ :)
[01:10] <Dr_willis> Mandriva-2007.0-One-Metisse.i586.iso
[01:10] <Dr_willis> 1 t 2 s's :)
[01:11] <SlackRat> how is ulteo?
[01:11] <Dr_willis> Hmm..  i need to install vmware some day
[01:11] <khaije1> premier_: alot of the statements people make about linux aren't really saying what it *is* as much as what it can be, ubuntu is intended to included lots of new software, part of the reason why it's popular, but certain it's possible for problems to arise especially when you're first learning yr way around fixes tend to be more hackish
[01:12] <Dr_willis> then theres unlearning the bad windows habbits
[01:12] <khaije1> premier_: if your goal is to learn it, make sure you set up yr system in a way that you seperate yr OS from yr user data so that you can reinstall on a whim, thats my recommendation
[01:13] <khaije1> premier_: that way you can isolate the variable, and apply what you've learned
[01:13] <Dr_willis> 'learn the fundamentals'
[01:15] <SlackRat> did anyone just hear a gong?
[01:15] <soulrider> i tried mandriva before and didnt really like it
[01:15] <soulrider> and i found quite a few bugs right from the begining
[01:15] <DaSkreech> I tried Mandriva long before and did really like it
[01:16] <DaSkreech>  It shipped with a whole slew of documentation
[01:16] <Dr_willis> I with these disrto would stop all these little annlying 'tweeks' that dont really add much value,, other then rearanging stuff.
[01:16] <HymnToLife> I liked the old Mandrakes (still hame my Mandrake 10 CDs)
[01:16] <SlackRat> its good for newbs but has alot under the hood, its not a one disk install with one app per job
[01:16] <alessandro> Hi.I need to compile a driver,but i need first the kernel source .how can i get em?
[01:16] <Dr_willis> !kernel
[01:16] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[01:16] <HymnToLife> but I just can't get used to the RPM stuff
[01:16] <soulrider> i just tried it out because my teacher said he used it, but i found it a bit slow. There were a couple of things that i liked better than ubuntu though
[01:16] <Dr_willis> alessandro,  you also need to instll the 'build-essential' package
[01:17] <SlackRat> yeah, would be happy if i never had to see another rpm
[01:17] <soulrider> i never really used RPM myself, but i heard it sucked
[01:17] <SlackRat> tho PCLinuxOS reinvented somthing based on mandrake rpms didnt they??
[01:17] <Dr_willis> rpms are ok.. :) all this stugg gets soo overhyped..
[01:17] <DaSkreech> RPM's suck as much as .debs
[01:17] <alessandro> Dr_willis: I installed them already
[01:17] <samben> Hi, I'm having trouble getting dual-monitors working
[01:17] <DaSkreech> Apt however rocks ":)
[01:18] <Dr_willis> package-managment is just a LARGE and complex problem with lots of pitfalls.
[01:18] <samben> dell laptop and dell 17 flat panel
[01:18] <SlackRat> rpms suck more cause it takes three syllables to say it
[01:18] <SlackRat> as opposed to deb
[01:18] <SlackRat> L-P
[01:18] <SlackRat> :-P
[01:19] <Dr_willis> .tar.gz !
[01:19] <soulrider> as i see it they should make a new package type, and most distros should use it. It would help new users a lot
[01:19] <Dr_willis> .exe
[01:19] <soulrider> i never really understood the .gz part of tar.gz
[01:19] <Dr_willis> soulrider,  that was sort of the decision to go with rpm a few yrs back... and everyone went 'ick'
[01:19] <SlackRat> gunzip
[01:19] <adydas_> soulrider: gunzip
[01:19] <Dr_willis> gz  = gzipped
[01:19] <soulrider> i see
[01:19] <Dr_willis> tar archives have no compression
[01:19] <soulrider> but its just like a normal zip right ?
[01:19] <soulrider> ahh
[01:20] <jhutchins> soulrider: There's actually a universal binary package format, but it's not used much.
[01:20] <Dr_willis> gzip is not the same as a 'zip' :)
[01:20] <soulrider> jhutchins: what is it ?
[01:20] <intelikey> .tar.bz2    .tar.gz      .tar.zip   ...
[01:20] <SlackRat> compiling
[01:20] <khaije1> jhutchins: what is it?
[01:20] <soulrider> im such a newb to linux
[01:20] <Dr_willis> dont get confused and try to 'unzip' a .bz2, or gz file
[01:20] <soulrider> and ive been using it since july
[01:20] <DaSkreech> .package I think
[01:21] <Dr_willis> heck i rember .arc .zoo .lzh  and other archive frmats
[01:21] <khaije1> thats gay
[01:21] <soulrider> khaije1: watch it....
[01:21] <khaije1> (no fense to the homosexual population intended)
[01:21] <Dr_willis> theres the autopackage system out also. and the klick stuff
[01:21] <DaSkreech> kilk is neat bt will never catch on
[01:21] <intelikey> Dr_willis what ever happened to .arj  ?
[01:21] <Dr_willis> neither seem to work very well from what ige messed with them
[01:21] <DaSkreech> but
[01:22] <soulrider> i remember arj files
[01:22] <soulrider> long time ago
[01:22] <Dr_willis> i dont rember thise
[01:22] <Dr_willis> heh.
[01:22] <khaije1> jhutchins: were you thinking of a format called .package?
[01:22] <soulrider> i think they were for DOS though
[01:22] <dwidmann> Hmmm
[01:23] <dwidmann> the usplash bug in 64-bit has finally been fixed :)
[01:23] <Dr_willis> i always disabvle usplash :)
[01:23] <dwidmann> Me too
[01:23] <dwidmann> but I have to stare at it while booting the live cd
[01:24] <adydas_> I swear to god, if your looking for somthing to do and loved lemmings apt-get install pingus
[01:24] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[01:24] <adydas_> I just have to share.
[01:24] <soulrider> im such a dork... a couple of years ago i downlaoded Mandrake and suse, but i had them installed for like one day and went back to windows just because i was too lazy to learn
[01:24] <soulrider> i wish i had made the switch then
[01:24] <Dr_willis> or install dosbox and play your old dos games
[01:25] <khaije1> !nexuiz
[01:25] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[01:25] <khaije1> this game is the truth
[01:26] <DaSkreech> khaije1: too damn fast
[01:26] <dwidmann> Looks like herd 4 finally got the polishing it needed too ... seemed like a mess at herd 2
[01:26] <soulrider> BTW, does anyone know if its possible to get the stuff in the repos on CDs or DVDs ? kind of like the extra CDs in Suse and Mandriva
[01:26] <Dr_willis> the 'stuff' can be quite a few GB. :)
[01:26] <dwidmann> soulrider: the dvd has the entire main repository on it, if I remember right, asides from that, not that I know
[01:26] <soulrider> yes Dr_willis im aware of that
[01:27] <soulrider> i see dwidmann
[01:27] <Dr_willis> of course given how fast updates can be for this stuff..
[01:27] <dwidmann> As for the stuff, you'd need about 3 dvds
[01:27] <dwidmann> perhaps more
[01:27] <SolidSource> question: anyone getting "couldn't find" message when trying to install acroread, mozilla-acroread, acroread-plugins?
[01:27] <dwidmann> perhaps less also
[01:27] <intelikey> i'd only want the 'stuff' after they stop updating it every week
[01:27] <premier_> When I turn on acpi, sometimes my computer will crash on boot, saying, "Soft Lockup on CPU #0"
[01:28] <khaije1> DaSkreech: what about rrootage?
[01:28] <soulrider> SolidSource: you have enabled the extra repos ?
[01:28] <soulrider> rrootage owns!!
[01:28] <premier_> I find it amazing that the operating system is able to detect something like that
[01:28] <Dr_willis> khaije1,   i couldent even figure out how to starty that game...
[01:28] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:28] <SlackRat> soulrider, not that i know of, since if you wanna include the unsupported multiverse its like two ro three dvds, the repos outnumber debian atm
[01:28] <dwidmann> intelikey: in other words, not until the distribution is dead, assuming that could happen (and I won't let it >:( )
[01:28] <DaSkreech> khaije1: Eh?
[01:28] <khaije1> Dr_willis: it's the 'z' key :-)
[01:28] <SolidSource> soulrider: yes...I make my own lists and have everything enabled
[01:28] <cpk1> soulrider: you can burn you apt-cache to dvd or cd
[01:28] <Dr_willis> khaije1,  gesh - thats so logical! :)
[01:29] <intelikey> dwidmann no.
[01:29] <khaije1> DaSkreech: just a nice retro-ish arcade game you might like
[01:29] <intelikey> dwidmann warty is not being updated at all now.
[01:29] <DaSkreech> What's rrooted?
[01:29] <DaSkreech> repos?
[01:29] <dwidmann> intelikey: don't forget about security updates, they keep going for years :D
[01:29] <dwidmann> Wait, you've got a point >.>
[01:29] <soulrider> cpk1: i know that, im justa sking ebcause i remember someone was complaining one day that you couldnt get CDs or DVDs with extra packages for the peoiple with no net access
[01:29] <khaije1> DaSkreech: you betcha
[01:29] <soulrider> rrootage
[01:29] <intelikey> dwidmann on the LTS they do,  but warty is already EOL
[01:30] <khaije1> hmm.. actually I'll brb :-)
[01:30] <dwidmann> True, true
[01:30] <Dr_willis> if ya got no net access... go back to dos. :)
[01:30] <DaSkreech> !rrootage
[01:30] <ubotu> rrootage: arcade-style space shooting game. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.23a-4 (edgy), package size 74 kB, installed size 240 kB
[01:30] <soulrider> i wish i was a better programmer to be able to contribute with patches and stuff
[01:30] <SlackRat> its a good point.....mepis finally released extras for free download,and theyre based on buntu now
[01:30] <soulrider> Dr_willis: lots of people here dont ahve net access
[01:30] <dwidmann> Don't look at me, Work has my brain fried for the [insert indeterminate amount of time here] 
[01:30] <SlackRat> join launchpad and submit bug reportws
[01:30] <Dr_willis> soulrider,  people 'in here' ? :)
[01:31] <soulrider> Dr_willis: where i live
[01:31] <SlackRat> lol
[01:31] <dwidmann> soulrider: and where's that?
[01:31] <Dr_willis> soulrider,  ok.. heh - tht dident make sence at first.
[01:31] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:31] <SlackRat> i spent my first two years on linux without net access.....
[01:31] <soulrider> dwidmann: do a whois :P
[01:31] <SlackRat> big ass distros were great
[01:31] <Dr_willis> if it werent for IRC.. i wouldent need net access
[01:31] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:31] <dwidmann> fine, so I can't be lazy :\
[01:31] <dwidmann> whois soulrider
[01:31] <soulrider> SlackRat: i got some classmates that want linux but they dont ahve neta ccess, and they need stuff like java sdk
[01:31] <dwidmann> freaking slash :(
[01:32] <soulrider> plus, theya re newbies so they need to learn
[01:32] <SlackRat> give them suse or fedora
[01:32] <SlackRat> five to six cds
 if ya got no net access... go back to dos. :)   <<<  except that dos never was as cool as linux+bash   no already scrolled text paging, no multi-ttys no command line editing,  no tab completion....  need i go on ?
[01:32] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  dr-dos !! :)
[01:32] <Dr_willis> free-dos
[01:32] <SlackRat> tho suse got too buggy for me this year, and the MS deal soured the whole idea
[01:32] <soulrider> SlackRat: im a newbie too at linux, so i want them to ahve the same distro as me so i can help them with what i know
[01:32] <SlackRat> or debian dvds
[01:33] <soulrider> i tried suse and i thought it sucked
[01:33] <SlackRat> you can download packages and put them on cds, say two or three cds worth
[01:33] <SolidSource> SuSE = business oriented OS
[01:33] <SlackRat> i usually store downloaded pkgs so i dont have to download them again
[01:33] <soulrider> SlackRat: thats what i kind of wanted to do, but i dont really know if theres a way to ahve apt downlaod deps too
[01:33] <peanutb> it seems my up and down keys have stopped working, anyone know howto fix this?
[01:33] <soulrider> even if i already ahve them installed
[01:34] <SlackRat> hmn
[01:34] <DaSkreech> !shipit
[01:34] <ubotu> shipit is a service that sends free Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu CDs. See http://shipit.ubuntu.com/ and http://shipit.kubuntu.org and http://shipit.edubuntu.org - Shipit will not send Edgy (6.10) CDs, but only Dapper (6.06) CDs, as Dapper is a !LTS release.
[01:34] <intelikey> SlackRat but that doesn't help if you have the updates and security repos enabled  you will always have to dl the latest.    (always until EOL)
[01:34] <SlackRat> you should consider debian when etch is released, one dvd thousands of pkgs......ubuntu uses many of the same tools
[01:35] <cpk1> you can its like -d or something to download only
[01:35] <SlackRat> cause u couldnt exactly reproduce the first three or four ubuntu pkg cds based on debians, it wouldnt work right
[01:35] <intelikey> SlackRat ubuntu is based on debian
[01:35] <dwidmann> SlackRat: thought it was two?
[01:35] <SlackRat> yes, but not hundred percent compatible
[01:36] <soulrider> cpk1: i know you can do -d, but will it also download dependencies? even if you have them installed ?
[01:36] <SlackRat> theres two dvds of packages without source, yeah
[01:36] <peanutb> SlackRat: look at http://cargol.net/~ramon/ubuntu-dvd-en
[01:36] <intelikey> not 90% compatable
[01:36] <SlackRat> you use the dvds as repos, some packages wll find unmet deps still
[01:36] <SlackRat> just as it might in testing or unstable online
[01:36] <intelikey> well maybe 90%.... idk the exact %
[01:37] <soulrider> i might try that
[01:37] <dwidmann> I'll be back ...... assuming the new install boots okay
[01:37] <soulrider> but im not sure of my classmates for DVD drives
[01:37] <SlackRat> got pretty far with only discs for repos , but thats why ubuntu wasnt practical then without net access
[01:37] <soulrider> dwidmann: good luck
[01:37] <soulrider> too late :(
[01:37] <intelikey> too late :S
[01:37] <johey> Can anyone recommend a good FTP client with SSL support? Preferably KDE/QT.
[01:38] <intelikey> konqueror ?
[01:38] <richard> you took the words out of my mouth
[01:38] <johey> intelikey: Ah. I've heard about that one. ;) Didn't know it had FTP support at all. Heh.
[01:39] <intelikey> ;/
[01:39] <DaSkreech> Konqueror has * support
[01:39] <intelikey> mmm more like .*   but yeah
[01:39] <DaSkreech> I may be overstating but let me check man:/konqueror
[01:40] <intelikey> check   #konqueror while you're at it
[01:40] <peanutb> my up, down, and del buttons stopped working. anyone know a fix
[01:41] <intelikey> inputrc
[01:41] <johey> How do I enable Auth SSL support for a server in Konqueror?
[01:41] <peanutb> whats inputrc?
[01:41] <SlackRat> or try something odd and download the mepis extra cds to see if they are mostly compatible with ubuntu.....my guess is you want a five cd distro to start  with tho, you can always move on to another one
[01:41] <soulrider> !inputrc
[01:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about inputrc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:42] <soulrider> i guess i can just download the stuff for my friends and give it to them
[01:42] <intelikey> peanutb a runtime configuration file.   the default is  /etc/inputrc   but that won't affect kde i don't think.  only consoles and terminals...
[01:43] <dwidmann> How (in)convenient
[01:43] <khaije1> off the wall question, do you think jabber will ever supersede irc?
[01:43] <peanutb> whatever the problem is, it also effects all kde and GTK programs.
[01:43] <SlackRat> over my dead body
[01:43] <intelikey> peanutb check the   kcontrol
[01:43] <shadowhywind> does anyone know how to zip using ark (to a tar.gz ) with a password?
[01:43] <soulrider> peanutb: this will sound like a windows fix, but have you restarted ? :P
[01:43] <dwidmann> I don't think it will, hopefully it will supersede other instant messengers though
[01:44] <khaije1> but is there anything irc does better than jabber?
[01:44] <soulrider> i never used jabber =/
[01:44] <DaSkreech> khaije1: Attract idiots?
[01:44] <intelikey> what's jabber ?
[01:44] <khaije1> haha
[01:44] <dwidmann> too true
[01:44] <dwidmann> almost sad
[01:44] <SlackRat> soulrider, since ubuntu is a one cd distro, with net repos, youd be banging your head on the wall
[01:44] <peanutb> soulrider, no i havent, will do
[01:44] <DaSkreech> khaije1: It has a better more stable set of commands so You can expect most IRC clients to have a core set of functionality. Nothing like that exists for jabber
[01:45] <SlackRat> first three or four deb cds, or another distro that everyone was on makes more sense
[01:45] <dwidmann> SlackRat: but banging my head against the wall is fun
[01:45] <gan|y|med> hi
[01:45] <SlackRat> heh
[01:45] <khaije1> DaSkreech: thats a good point, i wonder if that will ever change
[01:45] <DaSkreech> khaije1: You can run jabber servers that don't even allow multiple Person chat.....
[01:45] <DaSkreech> That alone is hard to get over
[01:45] <DaSkreech> gan|y|med: Ho
[01:46] <dwidmann> The feisty installer didn't even set up grub :(
[01:46] <khaije1> DaSkreech: can't really hold configurability against it?
[01:46] <dwidmann> I hate having to do this crap manually ...
[01:46] <khaije1> DaSkreech: you found me?!?
[01:46] <soulrider> lol dwidmann
[01:47] <SlackRat> look at mepis for the time being......they got a few pkg cds for download
[01:47] <soulrider> what i think the installation REALLY needs, is to let you select what packages you want to install with the distro
[01:47] <SlackRat> debian system now based on ubuntu kernel and development
[01:47] <khaije1> DaSkreech: heh, pardon the last comment, i was thinking you were talking to me, thats the resource name for my jabber account :-)
[01:47] <SlackRat> now youre talking slackware, heh
[01:47] <DaSkreech> khaije1: Ho?
[01:47] <gan|y|med> DaSkreech: is ho short for something or just your way of saying hi?
[01:47] <soulrider> or calling youa  ho' :P
[01:48] <DaSkreech> gan|y|med: Letters are right by each other on the keyboard
[01:48] <khaije1> DaSkreech: ganymede, It's my desktop name
[01:48] <sstchur> In KDE Network settings, I can see that my laptop's built in wireless card is detected, but it is disabled, and any attempt to "enable" it always fails.  Why would this be?
[01:48] <soulrider> !wireless
[01:48] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:48] <intelikey> navaho ?
[01:48] <gan|y|med> i am using another language version
[01:48] <gan|y|med> DaSkreech: what keyboard do you use? dvorak?
[01:48] <khaije1> ~U.N.I.T.Y.!~
[01:49] <DaSkreech> gan|y|med: i and o aren't beside each other on your keyboard????
[01:49] <SlackRat> unity in all its diversity
[01:50] <intelikey> order is complex.   chaos is simple...
[01:50] <gan|y|med> DaSkreech: oh, got that wrong
[01:50] <soulrider> intelikey: true :P
[01:50] <dx11101> hi all
[01:50] <soulrider> hi dx11101
[01:50] <dwidmann> Yum, chaos, and can I have some mass destruction for dessert?
[01:50] <dx11101> i just installed kubuntu two weeks ago and im stuck on somenthing
[01:50] <dx11101> i can get my system to read SD chips
[01:51] <soulrider> dx11101: what do you need help with ?
[01:51] <dx11101> *cant
[01:51] <soulrider> uhm
[01:51] <Dr_willis> dx11101,  what kind of system?
[01:51] <soulrider> like the cammera cards ?
[01:51] <intelikey> dwidmann it comes with that order  yes
[01:51] <dx11101> yeah
[01:51] <dx11101> when i put it into the card reader it prompts me with a open window option
[01:51] <dx11101> but it gives me a blank folder
[01:51] <Dr_willis> My laptops built in media-reader - dose not work under linux. :( sadly.. had to get a $5   media reader for the usb ports.
[01:51] <gan|y|med> does anybody use initng on ubuntu edgy???
[01:51] <dx11101> but i know it has photos
[01:52] <Dr_willis> dx11101,  mount the thing manually. I find auto-mounting can often cause more problems then it solves
[01:52] <intelikey> gan|y|med not on edgy   i have on hoary
[01:52] <dx11101> ahh
[01:52] <dx11101> yeah because i have it automounting
[01:52] <dx11101> but before i automoutned it gave me a URL error reading the card
[01:53] <Dr_willis> when in doubt fall back to the console/terminal. :)
[01:53] <gan|y|med> intelikey: that's too old i am afraid. it worked on dapper for me. flawlessly. but on edgy (like some other things, argh) it doesn't
[01:53] <Dr_willis> of course it pays to learn that stuff incase you never need to rescue a system.
[01:53] <intelikey> when confident, use the console
[01:53] <intelikey> :)
[01:53] <dx11101> well im a n00b
[01:53] <Dr_willis> un-n00b yourself :)
[01:53] <gan|y|med> intelikey: just a shot in the dark, but have you had problems with usb devices?
[01:53] <dx11101> with the command line anyways
[01:54] <Dr_willis> quit playing with your n00b - you will go blind. :P
[01:54] <shadowhywind> does anyone know how to password protect a tar.gz
[01:54] <SlackRat> shave your hands Dr_willis
[01:54] <Dr_willis> !pgp
[01:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pgp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:54] <intelikey> gan|y|med i have never seen edgy not breezy nor warty for that matter.
[01:54] <Dr_willis> !find pgp
[01:54] <ubotu> Found: gpgp, libpgp-sign-perl, pgpdump, pgpgpg, pgplsh (and 9 others)
[01:54] <Dr_willis> !info gpgp
[01:54] <ubotu> gpgp: gnome front-end to GnuPG - a free PGP replacement. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4-12ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 56 kB, installed size 300 kB
[01:55] <Dr_willis> pgp can encrypt files right?
[01:55] <dx11101> pretty good privacy
[01:55] <dwidmann> shadowhywind: well, you could use (k)gpg to do a one way encryption on it .....
[01:55] <SlackRat> see, if you say noob on the ubuntu channel people have hissy fits
[01:55] <intelikey> gan|y|med i'll probably never see feisty either... nor the one that fillows it.
[01:55] <gan|y|med> intelikey: i mean on hoary
[01:55] <intelikey> fillows  ?
[01:55] <SlackRat> feisty, be thankful you can still be moderately aroused
[01:55] <intelikey> follows
[01:56] <shadowhywind> dwidmann do you know if Ark can handle the extraction or even to password from there?
[01:56] <SlackRat> oh, you meant the new release
[01:56] <gan|y|med> intelikey: is there a reason for this (like "never change a running system")?
[01:56] <SlackRat> never mind
[01:56] <dwidmann> shadowhywind: doubtful
[01:56] <Dr_willis> ark is just a fancy front end to the various command line tools.. last i looked.
[01:56] <intelikey> gan|y|med yeah,  it's called dialup.
[01:57] <cpk1> noob
[01:57] <intelikey> gan|y|med you dl the install cd at 4k down
[01:57] <shadowhywind> dwidmann so i can use kgpg to encrypt my file, and i am asumeing that it will also decrypte it later?
[01:57] <netcat> anyone using 2.6.20 kernel ?
[01:57] <dwidmann> shadowhywind: yes
[01:57] <dwidmann> netcat: I will be in about 10 minutes
[01:57] <netcat> I don't recommend it dwidmann
[01:57] <gan|y|med> intelikey: i got the same problem at home, that doesn't prevent you from getting a new version (oreilley even has an ubuntu book plus dapper released)
[01:58] <dwidmann> netcat: why's that?
[01:58] <nc631> I'm having issues with netfilter
[01:58] <SlackRat> lmao
[01:58] <nc631> they changed it a fair bit...
[01:58] <gan|y|med> intelikey: so no usb probs on hoary with initng?
[01:58] <nc631> x_tables and shit...
[01:58] <intelikey> at least DaSkreech knows you don't "have" hissies.  you pitch them...
[01:58] <intelikey> gan|y|med no
[01:58] <DaSkreech> Comes with the job
[01:59] <intelikey> :)
[01:59] <intelikey> DaSkreech well do you 'have' or 'throw' coniptions ?
[01:59] <dwidmann> I never played with netfilters anyway
[01:59] <SlackRat> you can pitch, throw or have.....so there
[02:00] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I think it depends on how old you are
[02:00] <intelikey> SlackRat yankey
[02:00] <dx11101> HEY GUYS THANKS FOR THE HELP I GOT IT WORKING
[02:00] <gan|y|med> intelikey: thx anyway
[02:00] <SlackRat> lol
[02:00] <dx11101> much thanks
[02:00] <intelikey> lol
[02:00] <DaSkreech> dx11101: Cool :)
[02:00] <DaSkreech> Now script it
[02:00] <dx11101> i used the gui based systems settings to get it working
[02:00] <dx11101> i guess i suck at konsole
[02:00] <dx11101> :)
[02:01] <dx11101> it was automounted but it wasnt "enabled" for some reason
[02:01] <jarn> Is there a way to make ls sort files like konqueror does, with the folders first and then the rest in alphabetical order instead of just in alphabetical order?
[02:01] <DaSkreech> Heehee
[02:01] <Dr_willis> dx11101,  ive noticed a lot of quirks with kubuntu and auto-mounting lately.
[02:01] <intelikey> jarn  man ls
[02:01] <Mena> i need a progran to open this extentionm of files .bin its like iso files ...so any ideas
[02:01] <dx11101> i have all my NTFS partitions automounted
[02:02] <dx11101> without issues
[02:02] <dwidmann> Mena: you probably run the .bin files in a shell
[02:02] <dx11101> eventually im going to convert my data to EXT3 though
[02:02] <dwidmann> or wait
[02:02] <dwidmann> that .bin
[02:02] <dwidmann> You can convert it to iso if you want, I think
[02:02] <Mena> dwidmann, how to covert
[02:02] <dwidmann> additionally, I think k3b can handle the .bin files
[02:03] <Mena> ok
[02:03] <cpk1> Mena: is it a bin/cue video?
[02:03] <Dr_willis> yes - k3b is supposed to handle cue/bin now.
[02:03] <Mena> yes
[02:03] <SlackRat> http://applications.linux.com/applications/07/02/16/1937237.shtml?tid=26&tid=13&tid=22
[02:03] <cpk1> Mena: bchunk will convert them to iso
[02:03] <Mena> dr_willis, ok
[02:03] <SlackRat> ouch......
[02:04] <SlackRat> you mean that intifada??
[02:04] <Blacken> Well, I managed to hose NTLDR when installing Linux next to Windows. (There were two separate Windows installs, 32-bit and 64-bit, and I overwrote the 32-bit one that had NTLDR on the hard drive...sigh). Is there a way on Linux to see drives/partitions the way boot.ini's loader would (i.e. multi(0)disk(0)...)?
[02:04] <nc631> dwidmann: cause I'm having heaps of issues with 2.6.20
[02:04] <Mena> cpk1, ok
[02:04] <jarn> intelikey: I looked through that already, I didn't see it in there. I think I'm just not noticing it because I can't believe it's not possible.
[02:05] <cpk1> Mena: its in the repos
[02:05] <dx11101> how do you tell which kernel version you have
[02:05] <dwidmann> uname -r
[02:05] <Mena> cpk1, ok good that you tell me :D
[02:05] <cpk1> Mena: and its as easy as bchunk namof.bin nameof.cue namofoutput
[02:05] <DaSkreech> can ark do volumes in creation?
[02:05] <dx11101> kthanks
[02:05] <cpk1> or it might be cue file then bin file read the man Mena =)
[02:05] <Blacken> It's not as simple as hda/hdb, as one drive is SATA and the other IDE.
[02:05] <Mena> cpk1, ok cool :D
[02:06] <eric_> is there a way to set the konsole so it automatically starts up in sudo mode?
[02:06] <peanutb> in konversation, how do you show actions?
[02:06] <Dr_willis> eric_, 'sudo mode' hmmm....
[02:06] <DaSkreech> peanutb: actions?
[02:06] <eric_> yea...
[02:06] <peanutb> as in "* Dr_willis slaps the peopl;e that decided to use .bin extension"
[02:06] <Dr_willis> you could set up a konsle item to run a root shell
[02:07] <DaSkreech> peanutb: ah that I read konsole at first :)
[02:07] <DaSkreech> peanutb: try /me
[02:07] <Dr_willis> eric_,  sudo mode - dosent make a lot of sence. :)  you could use 'sudo -s' to have a root shell
[02:07] <dwidmann> that or you could run konsole as kdesu konsole instead
[02:07] <eric_> yea i know
[02:07] <eric_> thats what i normally do
[02:07] <Dr_willis> of course the point of using sudo. is to not have root shells open. where ya can accidently break things
[02:08] <eric_> ok
[02:08] <dwidmann> or where someone else can accidentally help you in accidentally breaking things by accidentally walking up to your accidentally unused computer and accidentally type in rm -rf
[02:08] <dwidmann> /
[02:08] <SlackRat> you cant sudo rm -rf?
[02:09] <fudgey> hey
[02:09] <dwidmann> SlackRat: not without the password
[02:09] <fudgey> is it possible to get a spread sheet program?
[02:09] <SlackRat> but the password makes you root enuf to trash your system
[02:09] <SlackRat> as does fakeroot
[02:09] <SlackRat> peanut, wanna lose your whole system
[02:10] <gnomefreak> peanutb: it removes a directory if you name the directory
[02:10] <fudgey> excel on ubuntu?
[02:10] <dwidmann> fudgey: openoffice and koffice and gnomeoffice all have spreadsheet programs
[02:10] <fudgey> can I install ubuntu on an old imac?
[02:10] <SlackRat> what it does help with is stopping people who can get into your system from looking for the root accountand cracking it
[02:10] <peanutb> fudgey, its already there, openoffice.org spreadsheet
[02:10] <gnomefreak> fudgey: yes
[02:10] <fudgey> thanks =)
[02:10] <fudgey> how to?
[02:11] <fudgey> which button loads the cd
[02:11] <fudgey> on startup
[02:11] <dwidmann> fudgey: yes, but you need the PowerPC ISO image
[02:11] <fudgey> o
[02:11] <peanutb> how old is this mac?
[02:11] <fudgey> 9.2
[02:11] <fudgey> a
[02:11] <peanutb> ok
[02:11] <flaccid0es> yeah should do auto if you burned the ppc image
[02:11] <jarn> Is there a flag to make ls sort files like konqueror does, with the folders first and then the rest in alphabetical order instead of just in alphabetical order? I looked through man ls but didn't see it. I think I'm just missing it, because I've got to imagine they have one.
[02:11] <fudgey> k thanks
[02:12] <DaSkreech> Wait
[02:12] <intelikey> jarn  man ls
[02:12] <DaSkreech> Dolphin is in KDEBASE?
[02:12] <jarn> intelikey: You said that already. Again, I didn't see it in there.
[02:12] <dwidmann> ls -X
[02:12] <intelikey> jarn sgort answer.     if it's not there.  it's not there.
[02:13] <intelikey> short
[02:13] <jarn> dwidmann: ls -X doesn't do that.
[02:13] <noel_> Greetings folks. Is the a version of UBUNTU that has a 1000mhz system clock instead of 250? I am trying to run ROSEGARDEN.
[02:13] <dwidmann> looks like it does to me
[02:13] <dwidmann> it's showing directories first ... just like you were asking about
[02:13] <jarn> Not for me, it isn't.
[02:13] <dwidmann> hummmmm
[02:14] <Dr_willis> check your alias's
[02:14] <jarn> It is in some directories.
[02:14] <dwidmann> Dr_Willis: I think I shall
[02:14] <intelikey> dwidmann that's only because all your dirs are smaller than the files
[02:14] <dwidmann> Probably
[02:14] <DaSkreech> aren't all dirs like 4k ?
[02:14] <intelikey> -X sorts by size
[02:14] <dwidmann> Wait
[02:14] <dwidmann> Bah
[02:14] <dwidmann> Yeah, that was it
[02:14] <dwidmann> I'm too jumpy right now
[02:15] <dwidmann> too much lack of sleep and not enough coffee to compensate
[02:16] <noel_> DaSkreech: Greetings. I don't suppose you know of an easy way to the system clock back to 1000, currently it is at 250 and ROSEGARDEN is complaining?
[02:17] <DaSkreech> The clcok?
[02:17] <DaSkreech> as in the Processor speed?
[02:17] <dx11101> isnt that set in the bios?
[02:17] <NightBird> dx11101, it might be a dynamic clock...
[02:18] <Dr_willis> I dont know.. he has me totally baffled..
[02:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:18] <noel_> DaSkreech: "System timer resolution is too low" ROSEGARDEN.
[02:18] <Dr_willis> sounds liek cpu throtteling?
[02:18] <Dr_willis> thats not the same as the cpu speed.. i think ..
[02:18] <dx11101> http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/
[02:18] <NightBird> System timer resolution o_O
[02:18] <dx11101> is taht the program?
[02:18] <thev> can someone help me with Samba?  I have one share which isn't playing nice.  Many others are.  I'm not sure what the the problem can be
[02:18] <NightBird> that isn't the cpu speed at all...
[02:18] <thev> as far as I can tell permissions are the same
[02:19] <Mena> how to open a directory in terminal
[02:19] <noel_> dx11101: Yes .Rosegarden is the program.
[02:19] <intelikey> jarn something like this would do it, but i doubt it's what you want. ####  for Q in * ;do [ -d "$Q" ]  && DIRS="$DIRS \n$Q" || FILES="$FILES \n$Q" ;done ;echo -e "$DIRS \n$FILES"  ####
[02:19] <Mena> bec i cant cd it
[02:20] <SlackRat> cd /dir/name/path
[02:20] <intelikey> jarn and that will probably error if filenames have spaces or other special chars
[02:21] <jarn> intelikey: Ah.
[02:21] <jarn> intelikey: What do I do with that?
[02:22] <thev> can I reload fstab without restarting?
[02:22] <intelikey> jarn you could put that in a function in .bashrc   or a script.   or you can just plug it into the commandline
[02:22] <intelikey> thev sudo mount -a
[02:22] <intelikey> thev that will mount anything not mounted.
[02:23] <thev> what if it's already mounted and I changed it's parameters in fstab?
[02:23] <intelikey> thev if you have changed a mountpoint or something like that,  you'll have to umount it first.
[02:23] <thev> ok, cool
[02:23] <thev> thanks
[02:24] <jarn> intelikey: Naw, that's not what I wanted, but thanks anyway.
[02:24] <intelikey> thev sudo umount /dev/device   or sudo umount /mount/point
[02:24] <intelikey> jarn i told you it probably wasn't.   it's not formated.   i.e. one listing per line.
[02:25] <thev> Ok, fstab params are the same, permissions are the same, samba permissions are the same - what could be blocking one mount from not working and the other working fine?
[02:26] <intelikey> if you want it formated sed can help with that. also adding colour coding to the listings is a bit more tricky.
[02:26] <intelikey> thev missing / in fstab ?
[02:27] <thev> intelikey - the mount point mounts fine - I can access it from the Linux box, the windows box can't open it though
[02:27] <thev> and it can open other mounts i have set up
[02:27] <khaije1> i've been wondering about this for years... where can i get descent for linux?
[02:27] <intelikey> jarn what exactly is the point to the execrise in futility ?
[02:28] <thev> subfolders on the non working mount have no access either
[02:28] <thev> seems like it must be a permission problem?
[02:28] <jarn> intelikey: It's not important enough to me to do things involving scripts. It makes it easier to read but I'm not going to bother with it if it's harder than adding a flag.
[02:29] <DaSkreech> khaije1: d2ljx I think
[02:29] <intelikey> thev yes. seems like.   but i've never set up a samba mess...
[02:29] <intelikey> jarn you do have colour coding in the ls command...
[02:30] <jarn> intelikey: Eh?
[02:30] <jarn> intelikey: I know.
[02:30] <thev> gargghhhh
[02:30] <jarn> intelikey: What are you talking about?
[02:30] <intelikey> alias ls="ls --colour=auto"
[02:30] <jarn> I know.
[02:30] <DaSkreech> it makes directories stand out
[02:30] <intelikey> or is it color
[02:30] <khaije1> DaSkreech: is that something i should google or apt-get?
[02:30] <intelikey> anyway.
[02:31] <khaije1> DaSkreech: i was always a little confused about that b/c i thought it would gpl'd at some point but still hard to find
[02:31] <DaSkreech> khaije1: d2x-xl is the proper name
[02:32] <nando_> holas!!
[02:32] <nando_> :D:D
[02:32] <DaSkreech> Ju!
[02:33] <Mena> cpk1, what is the fuction of bchunk i cant use i open the option to choose what to choose to extrcat or open the file
[02:34] <intelikey> jarn ok. do this.     for Q in * ;do [ -d "$Q" ]  && DIRS="$DIRS $Q" || FILES="$FILES $Q" ;done ;ls -d $DIRS ;ls $FILES ;DIRS= ;FILES=
[02:34] <intelikey> jarn   you could make that an alias.
[02:34] <Jucato> Da!
[02:35] <DaSkreech> intelikey: can you alias an option?
[02:35] <DaSkreech> like ls -DD to that script?
[02:35] <intelikey> oh function
[02:35] <intelikey> not alias.   function
[02:35] <DaSkreech> Oh yeah Functions can do that
[02:35] <khaije1> clear
[02:35] <kiersie> who has feisty?
[02:36] <khaije1> oops...
[02:36] <jarn> intelikey: That displays more than I need to. It displays upper directories too, which is unnecessary. And it's really not that big of a deal to me.
[02:36] <kiersie> i cannot update
[02:36] <khaije1> DaSkreech: thx for the info
[02:36] <kiersie> debconf on kubuntu
[02:36] <kiersie> incorrect nice value
[02:36] <DaSkreech> kiersie: try in #ubuntu+1
[02:36] <intelikey> in .bashrc   function dir {for Q in * ;do [ -d "$Q" ]  && DIRS="$DIRS $Q" || FILES="$FILES $Q" ;done ;ls -d $DIRS ;ls $FILES ;DIRS= ;FILES=}
[02:36] <DaSkreech> khaije1: found something?
[02:36] <tuco> Hi Intel!
[02:37] <intelikey> tuco
[02:37] <tuco> Managed to get the updates working
[02:37] <khaije1> DaSkreech: just a website... hard to know what to make of it all...
[02:37] <tuco> Basically I had to set up the wireless connection manually. Problem od DNS.
[02:38] <underdog5004> I'm having trouble getting my IBM thinkpad R31 online through wireless. I have an Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 WaveLan chipset (rev 01), but it looks like it's being detected as a wired connection.
[02:39] <kiersie> sorry
[02:39] <tuco> But right now I need to download and install the ati drivers so I can have a resolution of 1280x800, and get the audigy drivers too. Any help welcome :-)
[02:39] <DaSkreech> kiersie: No problem
[02:40] <SolidSource> ok, got azureus running, now trying to get the Web UI working. I have already opended the ports and such, but nothing loading on my other machine. ideas?
 intelikey: That displays more than I need to. It displays upper directories too, <<<   ?
[02:41] <jarn> It displays the contents of upper-level directories.
[02:41] <jarn> Like, for example, when run in ~/winestuff it displays the contents of winestuff and ~
[02:42] <Mena> cpk1, sorry i had a something wrong thanks again
[02:42] <intelikey> what do you mean ?    it doesn't do that for me.
[02:42] <Mena> cpk1, :D :)
[02:42] <ReturnToZero> Bonne nuit a tous :x:x:x:x:x:x
[02:42] <intelikey> jarn you have to use it only in the dir you want to see.  you can't use it with a path.
[02:42] <matadio> Is there a bootdisk available so I can run the install CD?
[02:43] <jarn> intelikey: I didn't.
[02:43] <jarn> intelikey: I ran it in that directory.
[02:43] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~]  cd Desktop/
[02:43] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~/Desktop]  dir
[02:43] <intelikey> .
[02:43] <intelikey> ?
[02:43] <DaSkreech> can ark do volumes in creation?
[02:43] <tuco> Anyone can help me with Ati drivers and Audigy please?
[02:43] <Kite_DH> need help
[02:43] <Kite_DH> need help
[02:43] <Kite_DH> sry
[02:43] <Kite_DH> erm
[02:44] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~/Desktop]  cd /
[02:44] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@/]  dir
[02:44] <intelikey> bin   dev    etc   lib         mnt   root  sys  usr
[02:44] <Kite_DH> i want to know how to install my webcam, its a "T-Com PC-30"
[02:44] <intelikey> and friends that i didn't post
[02:44] <Dr_willis> Kite_DH,  google for that web cam to see even if its supported at all.
[02:44] <Dr_willis> Kite_DH,  not all web cams have linux support.
[02:44] <jarn> intelikey: Well, I have to go. Thanks for helping me.
[02:45] <Dr_willis> tuco,  follow the !ati   wiki/page yet?
[02:45] <Dr_willis> !ati
[02:45] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:45] <intelikey> jarn np
[02:45] <Kite_DH> oh, ok
[02:45] <Kite_DH> im gonna buy one with support then,easy
[02:45] <Dr_willis> Finding the one to buy.. can be the issue
[02:45] <Kite_DH> naaw, amazon is my hero
[02:45] <Kite_DH> lol
[02:46] <Dr_willis> theres a few linux web cam sites.. but i dont mess with the things
[02:46] <Kite_DH> hehe
[02:46] <Kite_DH> you see, i got kubuntu edgy for 3 days now
[02:47] <Kite_DH> and my sister wants her webcam on it again
[02:47] <Kite_DH> we had win XP b4
[02:47] <Dr_willis> learn the FUNdamentals.
[02:47] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:47] <Kite_DH> i tested around a bit with the terminal
[02:47] <Kite_DH> and stuff
[02:48] <Kite_DH> i love linux
[02:48] <Kite_DH> but my sister doesnt come around with it
[02:48] <Kite_DH> and my mother
[02:48] <Kite_DH> :(
[02:48] <Kite_DH> we only have 1 pc, thats the prob
[02:49] <Dr_willis> live cd's are handy to learn with also.
[02:49] <Dr_willis> and can save your backside
[02:49] <Kite_DH> yes, it was a live CD
[02:49] <DaSkreech> Kite_DH: Which webcam?
[02:49] <Kite_DH> then i installed it
[02:49] <Kite_DH> T-Com PC-30
[02:49] <Kite_DH> is the name
[02:49] <Kite_DH> its not in the hardware support
[02:50] <Kite_DH> you dont have to check :)
[02:51] <tjz> skreech sup
[02:51] <Kite_DH> question
[02:52] <Kite_DH> how can i upgrade my KDE?
[02:52] <Dr_willis> upgrade to what?
[02:52] <Kite_DH> from 3.5.4 to 3.5.6?
[02:52] <Jucato> Kite_DH: are you on Dapper or Edgy?
[02:52] <Kite_DH> edgy
[02:52] <Kite_DH> 6.10
[02:52] <Kite_DH> if thats right
[02:52] <Jucato> Kite_DH: http://kubuntu.org
[02:52] <Dr_willis> dont bother upgrading to 3.5.6
[02:52] <Kite_DH> oh, ok
[02:52] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:52] <Dr_willis> and let it update as needed
[02:53] <Kite_DH> should i type "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" to the terminal?
[02:53] <Dr_willis> Kite_DH,  where else can ya type it at? :)
[02:53] <Kite_DH> no idea :/
[02:53] <Dr_willis> fundamentals man.. fundamentals. :)
[02:53] <Dr_willis> !terminal
[02:53] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[02:53] <Dr_willis> you type commands in th terminal correct...
[02:54] <DaSkreech> tjz: Hey hey
[02:54] <Jucato> Kite_DH: you can get the KDE 3.5.6 repository from the kubuntu.org site
[02:54] <Dr_willis> ive had a lot of issues after i upgraded to 3.5.6
[02:54] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: alt+F2 :)
[02:54] <intelikey> well i think i perfected the requested sorting of dirrectories first in ls   anyone want to see it ???
[02:54] <SolidSource> anyone know how to bypass ISP port blocking? tried a few tuts and no luck?
[02:54] <Kite_DH> what issues
[02:54] <Dr_willis> so id advise worrying about it at this time.
[02:54] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Sure
[02:54] <intelikey> http://pastebin.ca/raw/362816
[02:54] <Dr_willis> since you dont really gain any features.. its mainly bug fix's
[02:54] <Kite_DH> update is done already
[02:54] <dwidmann> Dr_willis: you have? Been smooth sailing for me since after I managed to get the update ......
[02:55] <Dr_willis> dwidmann,  i got a lot of -dev packages that wont install now.. and the automounting of media seems totally messed up
[02:55] <underdog5004> I hate GNOME so much...it's on the R31 lappy that I'm working on...and it's so dumb. Terminal is listed under Accesories, for goodness sake!
[02:55] <dwidmann> Dr_willis: As far as I've seen, the automounting has never worked the way it should for me ...
[02:55] <DaSkreech> Neat
[02:56] <Dr_willis> dwidmann,  for me the thing pops up a window asking to 'show the contents' then it shows /var/somthing/somthing - thats totally wrong. :)
[02:56] <dwidmann> I had a lot of packages that were utterly broken, had to fetch the source and build it myself because the packages weren't even in the repo ...
[02:56] <intelikey> DaSkreech i only tested on ~ / /usr /bin /var/cache/apt   worked correctly each time.
[02:57] <Kite_DH> Dr_willis: i heared that there is a Kubuntu 7.04 alpha out, if it comes out fully, can the people who have edgy update to feisty herd?
[02:57] <DaSkreech> Kite_DH: You can do it now
[02:57] <Dr_willis> Kite_DH,  i never bother to 'upgrade' i keep /home on its own partition. and do a clean new install.
[02:57] <tuco> not sure if my ati manipulation worked.
[02:58] <tuco> What do I have to choose guys, fbdev or fglrx?
[02:58] <Dr_willis> fglrx is for most ati cards
[02:58] <Dr_willis> fbdev is not that commonly used.
[02:59] <Kite_DH> DaSkreech: i followed the instructions of kubuntu.org, and now i got 3.5.5 ....should i have 3.5.6??
[02:59] <dwidmann> Kite_DH: you could have done it right away really, soon as edgy was released ... it would have been identicle to Edgy at that point though
[03:00] <DaSkreech> Kite_DH: No idea
[03:00] <DaSkreech> Wasn't following your conversation
[03:00] <intelikey> more manipulative manipulations of the manipulator   by tuco tuco tuco      :)
[03:00] <Dr_willis> you need to logout and relogin to get the newest kde.
[03:00] <Kite_DH> wait then
[03:00] <Dr_willis> since you are using what you just updated. :)
[03:00] <tuco> I try my best Intel :-)
[03:01] <dwidmann> Kiteyou'll need to log out then log back in
[03:01] <eric_> should i get the free or non-free version of unrar?
[03:02] <tuco> So I go to configure and there is:detected graphics card fbdev...in the list of cards however there fglrx?
[03:02] <Kite_DH> Dr_willis: i still got 3.5.5
[03:02] <dwidmann> eric_: the non-free is more capable, but it's well, non-free. Take your pick
[03:02] <tuco> standard or proprietary?
[03:03] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Nethack!
[03:03] <Mena> what is the plugin to open a .dat file in video
[03:03] <intelikey> DaSkreech na just the battle of wesnoth this time.
[03:03] <DaSkreech> Wesnoth!!!
[03:04] <DaSkreech> Which version?
[03:04] <intelikey> hmm ?
[03:04] <intelikey> Battle for Wesnoth v1.0.2
[03:04] <eric_> dwidmann: ok thanks
[03:04] <intelikey> was in the repos
[03:04] <underdog5004> it is so much slower here in #kubuntu...as opposed to #ubuntu
[03:05] <intelikey> DaSkreech 2.0 is out  but i'm not that interested in updating
[03:06] <intelikey> it's too         one dimentional   for me.
[03:06] <DaSkreech> !info wesnoth feisty
[03:06] <ubotu> wesnoth: fantasy turn-based strategy game. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.2-1 (feisty), package size 1919 kB, installed size 4348 kB
[03:06] <jmichaelx> have others been having any issues with amarok 1.4.5 crashing?
[03:06] <dwidmann> jmichaelx: stable as a rock for me
[03:07] <intelikey> DaSkreech kolf is one of the better linux games that will run on "`OLD'" hardware.
[03:07] <tuco> Ooooooooooooooooh yes I did it :-)
[03:07] <tuco> 1280x800!!! Yeaaaaaaaaaah
[03:07] <jmichaelx> dwidmann: i have installed it on 3 machines here at home, and on a friends.... and it has been less than stable on all of them
[03:07] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I remember that game being very frustrating
[03:07] <intelikey> kolf ?
[03:08] <intelikey> he wouldn't be any good if it was too easy...
[03:08] <dwidmann> jmichaelx: what type of files, what audio backend, what database backend, where are the files located?
[03:08] <coreymon77> jhutchins: are you around?
[03:09] <jmichaelx> dwidmann: that varied on each machine. often amarok crashes when a machine first boots up
[03:09] <jmichaelx> varies*
[03:09] <Kite_DH> Dr_willis: where do i have to write this in "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356 edgy main" ??
[03:09] <jmichaelx> i should say that on my laptop, amarok 1.4.5 has had no issues
[03:09] <dwidmann> I've been using Ogg/Xine/Sqlite3/"/home" and it has never crashed, not even once, since the upgrade to 1.4.5
[03:10] <jmichaelx> dwidmann: that is insteresting because amarok had never crashed for me in the past..... with any version until this one
[03:10] <Dr_willis> Kite_DH,  thats a apt  source entry.
[03:10] <DaSkreech> intelikey: could never pass like round 3 or 5
[03:10] <jmichaelx> i am playing mp3s
[03:10] <Dr_willis> !apt-get
[03:10] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[03:11] <Dr_willis> it goes in ---->  /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:11] <justin1278> hello
[03:11] <dwidmann> jmichaelx: I've made it crash before, plus the database scanning always "needed work" before (only worked half the time after upgrades, etc), I even ran into a doozy of a memory leak a couple of times
[03:11] <dwidmann> Less than perfect, but still the best that there is.
[03:11] <eric_> how would I make the icons smaller on the deskop?
[03:11] <jmichaelx> dwidmann: all of these machines are playing MP3s and using amarok-xine... some with music from home dirs, and one from an external HD
[03:12] <jmichaelx> dwidmann: hmm... i am thinking about just trying a 'remove --purge' on the machine having this issue, and reinstalling fresh
[03:12] <dwidmann> jmichaelx: not a bad idea really
[03:12] <jmichaelx> machines*
[03:13] <[Marvin] > Hm, kopete keeps crashing on me in the middle of conversations for no apparent reason. Anyone got any idea what could be wrong?
[03:13] <dwidmann> hopefully it'll help ... if not, bug reports :)
[03:13] <jmichaelx> dwidmann: i need to be more faithful with bug reports anyways :-D
[03:14] <justin1278> I am having issues with my applets, they are all over in different places in my taskbar and I am not sure how to put them back to the way they were.
[03:14] <Kite_DH> Dr_willis: can u help me with this---> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php
[03:14] <Dr_willis> Kite_DH,  upgrading to  the lastst kde is NOT worth the effort.
[03:15] <jmichaelx> i got a good friend to install kubuntu on an old machine, and he just called me telling me that amarok crashed on his PC.... crashed the whole system. he says he has rebooted several times, and has no panel in KDE anymore. very weird
[03:15] <Kite_DH> Dr_willis: ok
[03:15] <jmichaelx> he has no linux experience
[03:15] <Kite_DH> me?
[03:15] <Kite_DH> i dont..thats right
[03:15] <dwidmann> Dr_willis: I thought it was, fixed a few annoying bugs ...
[03:15] <Dr_willis> Kite_DH,  if you 'must' you do the first 2 commands that site shows.. then add one of the sources.list entry to your  sources.list file
[03:15] <Dr_willis> then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade.
[03:16] <DaSkreech> [Marvin] : Kopete needs help?
[03:16] <tuco> guys what are the drivers required for an audigy 2 card?
[03:16] <piro> jmichaelx: tell him to press esc on the reboot to get into grub and try one of the kernel recovery modes
[03:16] <DaSkreech> jmichaelx: How old a machine?
[03:16] <piro> funny though, you wont get him to stop saying that linux sucks after that experience
[03:17] <[Marvin] > DaSkreech: dunno...it seems like a pretty serious bug...and I figure someone else than me has experienced it...
[03:17] <jmichaelx> piro: what will that do? will just booting into recovery mode one time possibly fix things?
[03:17] <piro> works for me when my crap takes a crap
[03:17] <DaSkreech> I haven't but I can still pretty much get kopete to crash on demand.
[03:17] <DaSkreech> Which reminds me I should patch it
[03:17] <jmichaelx> DaSkreech: the machine is fine, 800Mhz 256MB RAM
[03:17] <justin1278> my applets have gotten all messed up, does somebody know how I can move them back?
[03:18] <jmichaelx> DaSkreech: i have one just like it running slackware with no issues
[03:18] <piro> i can at least get into x after doing that so thats why i threw that out
[03:18] <Jucato> justin1278: which applets?
[03:18] <justin1278> Jucato: the applets in the taskbar
[03:18] <jmichaelx> piro: ty, i'll have him try that
[03:18] <DaSkreech> jmichaelx: I would suspect that slackware is lighter than kubuntu
[03:19] <justin1278> Jucato: I accidently deleted one and was trying to put it back where it was and ended up messing them all up
[03:19] <Jucato> justin1278: when you hover over those applets, you should be able to see the applet handles that you can grab and drag around
[03:19] <DaSkreech> I could be wrong :) but that's what I suspect
[03:19] <tuco> No one knows for the audigy/1/2 drivers?
[03:19] <justin1278> Jucato: Oh ok, I made the handles invisible, thats why I can't see them.
[03:19] <dwidmann> DaSkreech: you can work out a pretty light install with ubuntu/debian
[03:19] <jmichaelx> DaSkreech: no doubt about that, but.... i used to run kubuntu on a 500Mhz machine, and it worked fine (no one believes me when i tell them that)
[03:19] <Dr_willis> tuco,  whats to know? Mine has always worked fine with no twiddling needed
[03:19] <Jucato> justin1278: make them visible!! hehehe ;)
[03:19] <DaSkreech> dwidmann: Yeah but you have to think about it
[03:19] <justin1278> Jucato: Lol
[03:20] <dwidmann> DaSkreech: trick is to start off with the text instsall, and build from there
[03:20] <DaSkreech> jmichaelx: I beleive you I did it with edubuntu and that runs a TLS
[03:20] <jmichaelx> DaSkreech: i don't think it is the machine
[03:20] <jmichaelx> DaSkreech: kool
[03:20] <tuco> I don't know how to have my audigy 2 notebook recognized, or to show up Willis
[03:20] <justin1278> Jucato: Ok all fixed lol
[03:20] <Dr_willis> audigy 2 notebook? what the heck is that.
[03:20] <Kite_DH> hmm still 3.5.5 but doesnt matter now =/
[03:20] <Jucato> justin1278: good :)
[03:21] <DaSkreech> Kite_DH: Chill till Feisty
[03:21] <DaSkreech>  then you can have the problem of dist-upgrading to KDE4 :)
[03:21] <justin1278> Jucato: Thanks :-)
[03:21] <Kite_DH> DaSkreech: yup...so..you said edgy users can upgrade to Feisty right?
[03:21] <tuco> just an audigy 2 zs Willis
[03:21] <piro> kde4 out at all?
[03:21] <DaSkreech> !upgrade
[03:21] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[03:22] <Kite_DH> DaSkreech: can you stay always up to date?
[03:22] <tuco> basically same as for audigy 1
[03:22] <Kite_DH> oh, ok
[03:22] <DaSkreech> Kite_DH: up to you
[03:22] <tuco> emu10k1 I guess
[03:22] <dwidmann> piro, well, there are development snapshots in the edgy repos
[03:22] <Dr_willis> tuco,  my audigy 2zs pci card works great.. i dident have to do anything with it -  what specific problem you having?
[03:22] <piro> ic dwidmann thanks, was just wondering
[03:22] <DaSkreech> When I was running on Breezy before it came out I'd update a package and before it was installed there would be a new one on the server
[03:22] <dwidmann> They'll read something more like 3.8 though
[03:23] <tuco> right now it seems that it is the onboard sound working and not the audigy
[03:23] <Dr_willis> tuco,  NOW you are gtting to the actual problem...
[03:23] <tuco> :-)
[03:23] <Dr_willis> tuco,  been best to disable the onboard card befor you installed..
[03:23] <dwidmann> tuco: easiest fix = disable the onboard in BIOS
[03:23] <tuco> it's a laptop!
[03:23] <Dr_willis> then check out the !alsa page i guess
[03:24] <Dr_willis> HOW are you having 2 sound cards in a laptop?
[03:24] <tuco> can't do it in the bios
[03:24] <Dr_willis> it has some pci slot? :)
[03:24] <tuco> onboard sound and pci slot
[03:24] <dwidmann> Well, you could blacklist the onboard pretty easily
[03:24] <Schuenemann> I keep getting an alert box with this error message: Sound server fatal error: cpu overload, aborting
[03:24] <Schuenemann> what might that be?
[03:24] <tuco> how come Mann?
[03:24] <Dr_willis> thats got to be the first laptop ive seen with a pci slot then.. or are you refering to a pc-card (pcmcia) slot?
[03:24] <tuco> pcmia dude
[03:25] <tuco> the card thingy
[03:25] <fudgey> hey theres an error with my installation
[03:25] <Dr_willis> thats a totally different beast then.
[03:25] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:25] <Dr_willis> id have to say hit the google and see if its even supported.
[03:25] <Dr_willis> it may be a  Audigy in name only.
[03:25] <fudgey> gdm failed to start
[03:25] <dwidmann> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist - add a line that looks like "blacklist modname", where modname is the name of the module you want to blacklist (the one the onboard card loads) and reboot.
[03:25] <tuco> I had it to work fine under kubuntu once but forgot how to do it
[03:25] <Dr_willis> tuco,  thats a good sign then.. :) it pays to take notes. heh heh
[03:26] <tuco> is there something like a sound board...equalizer?
[03:26] <Dr_willis> thers various sound mixers
[03:26] <tuco> I remember one
[03:26] <tuco> a one where you can set the volume for each channel,etc?
[03:27] <dwidmann> kmix?
[03:27] <Dr_willis> see the little speaker on the panel?
[03:27] <Dr_willis> right click on it. :)
[03:27] <bitbyte> i installed Mandriva 2007 on the same bax that already had kubuntu 6.10. But mandriva didn't put kubuntu in the list for the bootlaoder, can someone help me add it so i can still use kubuntu?
[03:27] <mshade> alsamixer
[03:27] <Dr_willis> or is it a normal click..
[03:27] <mshade> kmix
[03:27] <Schuenemann> I keep getting an alert box with this error message: "Sound server fatal error: cpu overload, aborting". What could that be?
[03:27] <tuco> yes it did it...silly me :-)
[03:27] <BluesKaj> no eq required there, just a balance ctrl
[03:27] <tuco> 2.30 am sorry I start losing my senses
[03:27] <Dr_willis> bitbyte,  is mandriva using LILO or GRUB?
[03:28] <dwidmann> Dr_willis: middle click works even better
[03:28] <bitbyte> Dr_willis, it was using lilo, but i changed it to grub
[03:28] <bitbyte> i can do either one
[03:28] <DaSkreech> dwidmann: +1
[03:28] <Schuenemann> I can't believe I'm the only one around with that problem :)
[03:28] <Dr_willis> bitbyte,  look on the /boot/ dir on the ubuntu system and its grub/menu.lst - from that file figure out what you need to copy over to the mandrivas grubs menu.lst file
[03:28] <DaSkreech> Schuenemann: Happens to me all the time
[03:28] <dwidmann> Schuenemann: I've gotten t hat before, but I don't know why I did.
[03:29] <dwidmann> And I don't know how I got it to go away
[03:29] <bitbyte> Dr_willis i cant boot to the ubuntu system
[03:29] <Schuenemann> the sound works, though
[03:29] <Dr_willis> bitbyte,  MOUNT the ubuntu drive...
[03:29] <SolidSource> trying to get konqueror to go clear...anyone know the color code?
[03:29] <tuco> Nope you have another Mann around Schue...there is Dwid :-)
[03:29] <fudgey> on my old imac gnome failed to start on my live cd install
[03:29] <dwidmann> I remember it started popping up when I was playing in BIOS, and fiddling with overclocking, and hte like
[03:29] <Dr_willis> bitbyte,  you dont need to be running it.. just look at the files on it.
[03:29] <bitbyte> k
[03:29] <bitbyte> let me try to do that
[03:29] <Schuenemann> dwidmann, I just installed edgy and I get that
[03:29] <Schuenemann> DaSkreech, doesn't it piss you off?
[03:29] <tuco> arf can't install firefox!
[03:30] <DaSkreech> Schuenemann: Yup
[03:30] <fudgey> on my old imac gnome failed to start on my live cd install
[03:30] <bitbyte> ok done
[03:30] <Schuenemann> DaSkreech, what are you gonna do about that?
[03:30] <DaSkreech> Ignore it
[03:30] <DaSkreech> Works with all the rest of my life's problems
[03:30] <Schuenemann> hehehe
[03:30] <fudgey> on my old imac gnome failed to start on my live cd install
[03:30] <Schuenemann> I can't... system gets very slow when it's about to pop
[03:31] <dwidmann> DaSkreech: Well said :D works for mine too
[03:31] <flaccid0es> i still find it ironic that with the kubuntu homepage for firefox you click on LTS and you get a 404
[03:31] <fudgey> on my old imac gnome failed to start on my live cd install
[03:31] <tuco> Well I guess I have enough for tonight. Thanks for your help Kubuntu crowd always helpful :-)
[03:31] <fudgey> on my old imac gnome failed to start on my live cd install
[03:31] <DaSkreech> Well if it pops up twice in five minutes I just restart teh sound server
[03:31] <fudgey> on my old imac gnome failed to start on my live cd install
[03:31] <flaccid0es> a great example of the lack of testing in *ubuntu
[03:31] <DaSkreech> But normally it comes from me playing three sound streams at teh same time
[03:31] <flaccid0es> amongst other things
[03:31] <BluesKaj> fudgey, stop repeating pls
[03:32] <DaSkreech> flaccid0es: firefox is not a KDE app
[03:32] <jmichaelx> fudgey: relax.... if someone knows something, they will respond
[03:32] <fudgey> im just reposting
[03:32] <flaccid0es> DaSkreech: i didn't say it was
[03:32] <Schuenemann> wait for more time to repost again
[03:32] <dwidmann> fudgey: why would you want gnome to start anyway ;)
[03:32] <fudgey> okie
[03:32] <fudgey> cuz nothign else works
[03:32] <flaccid0es> the homepage is "About Kubuntu" and has kubuntu artwork
[03:32] <fudgey> theres no kdm
[03:32] <flaccid0es> so tell me where the problem is? :p
[03:32] <dwidmann> no?
[03:32] <DaSkreech> flaccid0es: Feisty is planned to have a firefox specific front page
[03:32] <fudgey> live cd only installs kdm!
[03:32] <jmichaelx> fudgey: i assume you are using a PPC version of ubuntu?
[03:32] <fudgey> yeah
[03:33] <fudgey> fucking ppc
[03:33] <DaSkreech> flaccid0es: It works fine in Konqueror is where the problem is
[03:33] <flaccid0es> DaSkreech: where did this kubuntu start page come from then if one doesn't exist ?
[03:33] <bitbyte> Dr_willis so once i edit the grub list, do i need to do anything more to it?
[03:33] <DaSkreech>  Firefox does not ship with Kubuntu and probably never will
[03:33] <dwidmann> fudgey: ctrl + alt + f1 - startx :)
[03:33] <DaSkreech> flaccid0es: It's from Konqueror and it works fine there
[03:33] <flaccid0es> its a 404, you get the same thing in konq: file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html
[03:33] <fudgey> let me try
[03:33] <fudgey> if not il be back
[03:33] <DaSkreech> flaccid0es: It breaks in Konqueror for you?
[03:33] <DaSkreech> What did you do?
[03:33] <flaccid0es> yes a 404 is the same for all browsers
[03:33] <jmichaelx> maybe an iceweasel someday will ship with it
[03:34] <flaccid0es> i did nothing
[03:34] <jmichaelx> :-D
[03:34] <dwidmann> that didn't 404 for me
[03:34] <Jucato> flaccid0es: it's a bug
[03:34] <flaccid0es> this is dapper install. others have confirmed in the past the same thing
[03:34] <flaccid0es> a but that is still not yet fixed
[03:34] <flaccid0es> bug
[03:34] <dwidmann> oh, dapper . ...
[03:34] <Dr_willis> bitbyte,  nope.. grub dosent need to be reran - like lilo does
[03:34] <fudgey> nope
[03:34] <flaccid0es> yes dapper is LTS ?
[03:34] <dwidmann> flaccid0es: don't count on any bugfixes in dapper, only security fixes
[03:34] <DaSkreech> flaccid0es: What are the steps that you took?
[03:34] <flaccid0es> no steps
[03:35] <flaccid0es> ok so like where can i read about the LTS policy?
[03:35] <Schuenemann> firefox is the best man invention after the gunpownder
[03:35] <bitbyte> ok Dr_willis, so all i need to do it take the stuff from the ubuntu one and put it in the mdv one?
[03:35] <flaccid0es> seriously guys, i would like to read about TLS
[03:36] <flaccid0es> err LTS
[03:36] <DaSkreech> !lts
[03:36] <Dr_willis> bitbyte,  it may be a bit more detaled then that.. but thats the gist of it.. grub has a lot of little things to watch out for.. but thats how i normally do it.
[03:36] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[03:36] <Dr_willis> bitbyte,  you just need the proper grub 'stanza' for the ubuntu booting.. NOT the whole file. :)
[03:36] <bitbyte> Dr_willis, if i had mandriva on this box first and isntalled kubuntu, would it pick up the madriva installation?
[03:36] <flaccid0es> no IT manager would choose a product with 1 line explanation of support :)
[03:37] <flaccid0es> heh define support?
[03:37] <DaSkreech> !support
[03:37] <bitbyte> Dr_willis, yeah, i know not the whole thing, just the part for the kubutnu boot
[03:37] <ubotu> For your support options, see http://www.ubuntu.com/support For IRC support, join #ubuntu / #kubuntu / #xubuntu etc
[03:37] <Dr_willis> flaccid0es,  i was about to ask that.. :)
[03:37] <flaccid0es> i've been here for ages
[03:37] <flaccid0es> its still a mystery!!!
[03:37] <fudgey> whats the command to install by text on the live cd?
[03:37] <flaccid0es> oh i don't want paid support, i want to read about the LTS policy and what it gives me
[03:37] <flaccid0es> seems like its a load of BS
[03:38] <fudgey> oh thanks dwidmann
[03:38] <DaSkreech> flaccid0es: They will have security updates for 5 years
[03:39] <jmichaelx> the whole LTS thing is intended more (at least i always thought) for businesses , atc, that would be using paid supprt
[03:39] <DaSkreech> for server packages
[03:39] <jmichaelx> etc*
[03:39] <fudgey> whats the command to install by text on the live cd?
[03:39] <dwidmann> if you want to do a text mode install you need the alternate cd
[03:39] <flaccid0es> can i read about this, or just accept hearsay?
[03:39] <flaccid0es> no IT manager will accept a comment on IRC for support
[03:39] <bitbyte> the text installer is only on the alternate cd or the dvd afaik fudgey
[03:40] <crazy_bus> Amarok isn't working I'm getting this error: "There is a bug in Amarok: instead of destroying your valuable database tables, I'm quitting"
[03:40] <Jucato> flaccid0es: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/ubuntu/about-ubuntu/C/about-ubuntu.html#lts
[03:40] <fudgey> aw crap
[03:40] <fudgey> so I gotta dl another cd?
[03:40] <fudgey> well if gdm will not start on my imac what else will...
[03:40] <dwidmann> xdm?
[03:40] <DaSkreech> !ppc
[03:40] <ubotu> ppc is PowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers, and now a fully supported Ubuntu architecture.
[03:41] <fudgey> xdm?
[03:41] <jmichaelx> PPC = soon to be not so fully supprted by ubuntu
[03:41] <flaccid0es> Jucato: it says i get other updates, what are they? it also says quality assurance - to what extent?
[03:41] <dwidmann> fudgey, apart from that, I saw a really interesting way to do autologin without using a login manager, it looked cool
[03:41] <fudgey> LOL
[03:41] <DaSkreech> jmichaelx: but but ps3...
[03:41] <Dr_willis> Yep.. time to go to YellowDog Linux for PPC stuff
[03:41] <Jucato> flaccid0es: security/bugfixes updates. not version updates
[03:41] <jmichaelx> PS3 uses PPC?
[03:41] <DaSkreech> Yup
[03:41] <dwidmann> fudgey: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=152274
[03:41] <Solaris444> yes.
[03:41] <Dr_willis> it uses a CELL processor thats a ppc variant
[03:41] <DaSkreech> read teh PPC argument on teh wiki :)
[03:41] <jmichaelx> i had no idea lol
[03:42] <Solaris444> well Cell is a PPC variant.
[03:42] <Solaris444> er what willis said.
[03:42] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:42] <Dr_willis> and i dont even own one..
[03:42] <flaccid0es> Jucato: why is that not detailed in the document. why is the document so hard to get to and why is quality assurance not defined. if i was quality assured, i wouldn't have to worry about bugs...
[03:42] <fudgey> awesome
[03:42] <Dr_willis> nor do i EVER plan on getting a ps3
[03:42] <DaSkreech> Fluxbuntu is trying to be a ppc/PS3 Distro but the last time I heard about fluxbuntu was .. well that article actually
[03:42] <dwidmann> I plan on getting one when the price becomes reasonable
[03:42] <Solaris444> Guys, I was just wondering.  Is it possible to make samba on kubuntu save my login credentials for a network share?
[03:43] <whiz2> I'm trying to configure vncserver anybody have any experience in it?
[03:43] <DaSkreech> flaccid0es: No software is bug free
[03:43] <SolidSource> Solaris444: yes
[03:43] <Dr_willis> vnc - is very handy.
[03:43] <Jucato> flaccid0es: 0 bugs is a technical impossibility, even with closed source software.
[03:43] <DaSkreech> flaccid0es: If anyone assures you about that ..
[03:43] <flaccid0es> DaSkreech: i never said it was farken!
[03:43] <Solaris444> SolidSource: How would I do that?
[03:43] <Dr_willis> vnc also has a dozen variants and all sorts of little tricks and traps.
[03:43] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:43] <dwidmann> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_processor
[03:43] <flaccid0es> you guys just don't get it
[03:43] <Jucato> flaccid0es: I'd suggest you also ask in #kubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-devel
[03:43] <flaccid0es> you are assuring quality to the public
[03:43] <Dr_willis> 0 bugs = all comments :)
[03:43] <flaccid0es> and not delivering....
[03:43] <flaccid0es> Jucato: i don't think i'll waste my time :)
[03:44] <jmichaelx> flaccid0es: what are you carrying on about?
[03:44] <flaccid0es> why assure something, you cannot assure....
[03:44] <DaSkreech> a 404 on a software that you installed is not quality assurance?
[03:44] <flaccid0es> sounds like commercial bull to me
[03:44] <Jucato> flaccid0es: so it's more worthwhile to rant about not having documentation on these, etc. and it's a waste of time asking people who would know more about these stuff?
[03:44] <whiz2> vncserver specifically
[03:44] <flaccid0es> well yes if it was quality, it wouldn't have a 404
[03:44] <BluesKaj> whaddya want for free ... if ya don't like linux , get vista ...see how debgged it is :)
[03:44] <jmichaelx> flaccid0es: you got a free OS with a guarantee of long term security updates
[03:45] <flaccid0es> if people don't complain, how will things change?
[03:45] <Jucato> flaccid0es: your concept of quality seems to be based on "perfect/no errors"
[03:45] <SolidSource> Solaris444: well, your host machine has to have the profile with the exact same username/passsword and then use smbpasswd to declare that user is allowed that access in samba
[03:45] <DaSkreech> but you installed it. It wasn't intended to be there when it shipped
[03:45] <flaccid0es> but i also get quality assurance
[03:45] <Jucato> flaccid0es: you are complaining to the wrong people tthough
[03:45] <flaccid0es> whatever the f*** that is
[03:45] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  theres several variants of vncserver. i tend to use the 'vnc4server' and clients
[03:45] <dwidmann> that was already fixed for the "Edgy Eft" release by the looks of things flaccid0es
[03:45] <flaccid0es> Jucato: its not defined any other way
[03:45] <whiz2> i'm trying to use vnc to access a linux server from a win32 client
[03:46] <Jucato> so it's more worthwhile to rant in the wrong place than ask in the right place?
[03:46] <DaSkreech> BSD fan I take it :)
[03:46] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  i normally ssh to the linux box, run vncserver as the user.. then run the vncslient on the windows box and connect to the linux machine.
[03:46] <SolidSource> Solaris444: so if your username = RedBurn and password = money34...then each machine would have to have that exact same in order not to be asked for a password
[03:46] <Solaris444> Right.
[03:46] <whiz2> ok, but i dunno how to do any of that
[03:46] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  that gives you a 'desktop in the background' :)
[03:46] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  which part? its rather straight forward..
[03:46] <Solaris444> But I don't have to log in as that user right?
[03:47] <whiz2> can i controll the linux box from the win32 client cmputer?
[03:47] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  vnc can show you a 'desktop' in a window.. correct..
[03:47] <whiz2> What do I install, where do i put it, and how do i configure it?
[03:47] <Dr_willis> vnc on linux can also have several 'background' desktops that are not seen by anyone sitting in front of the linux box
[03:47] <Dr_willis> !vnc
[03:47] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[03:47] <SolidSource> Solaris444: on the guest machine you do...unless you are given the option to save your username/password on the guest machine
[03:48] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  this is on a local lan? or over the internet?
[03:48] <whiz2> both
[03:48] <Solaris444> thanks SolidSource.  I'll have to find some other way then because we cannot afford for the user of the machine to know the username and password for that share.
[03:49] <Solaris444> Hmm, perhaps I can do it on the server side.
[03:49] <Solaris444> I'll look into it.
[03:49] <whiz2> local right now, but want to have access over the internet as well
[03:49] <Dr_willis> locally is trivial.. over internet; vnc is not that secure.. thius the mention of OverSSH in that url.
[03:49] <Dr_willis> you can even use vnc and have a desktop on the desktop in a window. :)
[03:49] <Dr_willis> all locally
[03:49] <Schuenemann> DaSkreech, appearently I got rid of that message
[03:50] <Dr_willis> in a winow, with a desktop in a window... ect.. heh heh
[03:50] <Schuenemann> I unchecked "enable sound server"
[03:50] <Dr_willis> OR ya can use vnc to share the currently running desktop (but i never do it that way)
[03:50] <Schuenemann> !wma
[03:50] <SolidSource> Solaris444: well, I have it setup sort of like that...but I have another user account setup so that ppl can login, but only if I give them the login info...then it has rotating password
[03:50] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:50] <Solaris444> thankyou for your help SolidSource.  This is the first KUbuntu desktop I have set up.
[03:50] <dwidmann> Schuenemann: the sound server doesn't seem that important anymore anyway ... AFAIK it's being/has been dropped in KDE4
[03:51] <Solaris444> It isn't bad.  I prefer SuSE, but it is a bit heavy on resources.
[03:51] <whiz2> I have VNC server/viewer running on my win32 platform right now and that's how I'm talking to you... I'm connected to it over the internet
[03:51] <Solaris444> This is a PIII 667MHz.
[03:51] <yamathan> Well, it's official -- my Windows installation is dead.
[03:51] <Schuenemann> dwidmann, I don't even know what it is for, since the sound works without it :)
[03:51] <Solaris444> Kubuntu runs very nicely on it.
[03:51] <SolidSource> Solaris444: well if this help...this is what I followed to setup samba http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Samba_Server_for_files.2Ffolders_sharing_service
[03:51] <whiz2> I want to be able to do this to the linux box as well
[03:51] <yamathan> My NTFS partition isn't showing up now, though!
[03:51] <Schuenemann> maybe dapper comes without it, since I never got that message before?
[03:51] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  install vnc4server  then. or some other vncserver
[03:51] <Dr_willis> !info vnc4server
[03:51] <ubotu> vnc4server: Virtual network computing server software. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.1.1+xorg1.0.2-0ubuntu1.6.10.1 (edgy), package size 1041 kB, installed size 2412 kB
[03:51] <yamathan> Is there any way that I could still back up my files from the NTFS partition that no longer seems to function for Windows?
[03:51] <whiz2> i ran apt-get install vncserver
[03:52] <whiz2> that package is installed, but I have no clue how to configure it
[03:52] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  or if you want to share the currently running desktop.. thers some other way to do that.
[03:52] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  run 'vncserver' from the shell...
[03:52] <whiz2> I want to be able to share the whole thing
[03:52] <BluesKaj> Solaris444, suse ?...how do you deal with that messy Yast pkg manager ...it sucks
[03:52] <Schuenemann> wasn't there a program called kxconfig?
[03:52] <Dr_willis> gnome and kde both have some way of sharing the running desktop. but i never use it.. i find it very slow - and  for what i need vnc for - it dosent to the job i need. :)
[03:52] <Solaris444> BluesKaj: 10.2 isn't too bad.
[03:53] <Solaris444> 10.1 was a mess.
[03:53] <whiz2> ty
[03:53] <Solaris444> BluesKaj: I hear 10.3 will use click n run for users.
[03:53] <DaSkreech> hey BluesKaj
[03:53] <Solaris444> So that will help a lot.
[03:53] <BluesKaj> yes , 10.1 was the reason i went with dapper
[03:53] <whiz2> I ran that from a F1 shell
[03:53] <BluesKaj> hi DaSkreech
[03:53] <SolidSource> anyone use FreeBSD?
[03:54] <whiz2> the server is running... will it start every time I start the linux box now?
[03:54] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  No..
[03:54] <Dr_willis> that vncserver is for the specific user that started it.
[03:54] <whiz2> ok
[03:54] <Dr_willis> you could in theory have a dozen+ vncserver/desktops running - each with different desktops :)
[03:54] <Dr_willis> thats what I use it for,.
[03:54] <BluesKaj> i tried the freebsd live cd latest ...not to impresssed
[03:54] <yamathan> Hey, guys -- is there any way I can recover my files from that NTFS partition?
[03:55] <BluesKaj> too
[03:55] <yamathan> WinXP is dead, whereas I am not!  XD
[03:55] <Dr_willis> now you just connect the vncviewer to the vncserver ip# and display #
[03:55] <whiz2> permission denied
[03:55] <SolidSource> yamathon: you can mount the NTFS partition
[03:55] <Dr_willis> it should of asked to set a vncserver password also.
[03:55] <Solaris444> anyone want to hear a first hand "Vista Messed My Computer" story?
[03:55] <yamathan> SolidSource: For some reason it can't read it.
[03:55] <yamathan> It's been like this since it's claimed it can't find Shell32.dll.
[03:56] <SolidSource> yamathon: you need to install something
[03:56] <whiz2> ok i made a mistake
[03:56] <SolidSource> !mtfs > yamathon
[03:56] <yamathan> Solid:  ntfs-3G?
[03:56] <whiz2> how do i end it?
[03:56] <SolidSource> !ntfs > yamathon
[03:56] <yamathan> I mean, I've been using it regularly!
[03:56] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  use the command 'vncserver --kill :1' or whatever # the desktop was
[03:56] <Dr_willis> it may be -kill or --kill i forget
[03:56] <yamathan> Accessing NTFS files, you know, from Linux.
[03:56] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  thats the 'proper' way to kill it.
[03:57] <Kite_DH> could somebody help me with "Kaffeine" ??
[03:57] <SolidSource> yamathon: thats one, but I found it don't work too well...I used to use the other one...forgot name right now
[03:57] <yamathan> ntfs-3g?
[03:57] <yamathan> Or the, uh, captive one.
[03:57] <BluesKaj> ntfs-3g works for me
[03:59] <Solaris444> Kite_DH: what specifically?
[03:59] <SolidSource> yamathon: well maybe the partition is corrupted..you will need a file recovery program possibly
[03:59] <yamathan> Hmm.
[03:59] <BluesKaj> no bootloader to access windows partition, yamathan ?
[03:59] <yamathan> Blues, yes, but the problem is that winlogon.exe apparently relies on this driver that got corrupted.
[03:59] <whiz2> for some reason i can only start the server as root
[04:00] <yamathan> When it's shell32.dll that's corrupted, well, you're pretty well done fore.
[04:00] <yamathan> *for, even.
[04:00] <Schuenemann> how do I remove this bouncing stuff when I load a program?
[04:00] <Schuenemann> I remember something related to kxconfig, but I can't  run it
[04:01] <kiersie> does annybody know if flash9 also avalibel is for amd64
[04:01] <fudgey> what if it says GDM error , no disk space left on device when starting gdm???
[04:01] <BluesKaj> yamathan, perhaps Ultimate Boot CDcan help
[04:01] <SolidSource> yamathon: ok are you trying to recover windows or just retrieve files to switch to (k)ubuntu?
[04:02] <yamathan> SolidSource: The first would be great, but I'm fine with option two.
[04:02] <yamathan> BluesKaj: What's this you say?
[04:02] <Kite_DH> Solaris444: online streaming
[04:02] <SolidSource> yamathon: for recovery, ultimate boot cd would probably be one of your main options
[04:02] <Kite_DH> Solaris444: in mozilla firefox
[04:02] <Solaris444> Kite_DH: Don't use Kaffeine.
[04:02] <yamathan> Ah, goodies!
[04:03] <Solaris444> Kite_DH: Use the mplayer plugin.
[04:03] <Kite_DH> Solaris444: is it for firefox?
[04:03] <yamathan> If it might solve the problem that would be great ...
[04:03] <fudgey> what if it says GDM error , no disk space left on device when starting gdm???
[04:03] <BluesKaj> check out their site UBCD ...http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[04:03] <Solaris444> install packages mplayer and mplayer_plugin
[04:03] <yamathan> But, uh, how do I fix the wee little problem of win32.dll being, uh, dead?
[04:03] <Solaris444> yes it is for firefox.
[04:03] <Kite_DH> Solaris444: thx, got it
[04:03] <Solaris444> no problem.
[04:04] <Kite_DH> Solaris444: should i install mozilla-player only or mplayer?
[04:04] <fudgey> both
[04:04] <Solaris444> both
[04:04] <Kite_DH> ok
[04:04] <fudgey> try vlc
[04:04] <Solaris444> fudgey: vlc always crashes for me
[04:04] <fudgey> aw
[04:05] <fudgey> dang it like plays all types
[04:05] <Kite_DH> thx for the help
[04:05] <Kite_DH> i got VLC
[04:05] <Kite_DH> i use it for softsubs
[04:05] <Kite_DH> does mplay support softsubs?
[04:05] <Solaris444> noooo idea.
[04:05] <fudgey> what if it says GDM error , no disk space left on device when starting gdm???
[04:05] <loki> how do i associate certain filetypes with a program
[04:05] <Kite_DH> hmmm, im gonna see it then :)
[04:06] <loki> like all html files will open vim
[04:06] <Kite_DH> kate?
[04:06] <Kite_DH> maybe..no idea
[04:06] <HymnToLife> Kite_DH, yes, but badly - imo
[04:06] <Kite_DH> HymnToLife: sry, was justa n idea of a linux n00b =)
[04:06] <Solaris444> loki: change your Konquerer settings.
[04:06] <Solaris444> file associations are in there.
[04:06] <HymnToLife> [04:06]  <Kite_DH> does mplay support softsubs? <= was an answer to this ;)
[04:07] <whiz2> ok I still need a bit of help with the vncserver
[04:07] <whiz2> I have it up, and running, but when I login from anothercomputer, all i get is a blank "root" desktop
[04:07] <fudgey> what if it says GDM error , no disk space left on device when starting gdm??? what should I do..get the text based install cd or ??
[04:08] <HymnToLife> fudgey, if you _do_ have space left, it's most likely a permissions issue
[04:08] <fudgey> hmm
[04:08] <fudgey> I do sudo before all cmds
[04:08] <loki> thx
[04:09] <HymnToLife> fudgey, check the permissions of your home dir
[04:09] <BluesKaj> sacktime for me folks ... been a long day ..nite all
[04:09] <fudgey> ??
[04:09] <fudgey> chmod /home 777?
[04:10] <radioaktivstorm> i have a question, i keep getting strangeness in the way kde displays (usually in the horizontal scrollbars) what is this and how can i fix it?
[04:10] <HymnToLife> fudgey, no
[04:10] <HymnToLife> typically, it's chown'ed to you and chmod'ed 755
[04:10] <HymnToLife> or 700 if you don't want other users to access it
[04:11] <fudgey> o
[04:11] <fudgey> im sure its a memory problem cuz Its an old imac
[04:12] <HymnToLife> maybe
[04:12] <HymnToLife> you can use df to see if you are running low on diskspace
[04:13] <fudgey> =/
[04:16] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. that was a yummy toasted ham and cheese on crosient... i may have to go make another.. :)
[04:16] <Dr_willis> Crossient?
[04:17] <fudgey> why would the live cd create a home folder that has wrong permissions?
[04:18] <HymnToLife> oh, it's a Live CD ?
[04:18] <fudgey> yeah
[04:18] <fudgey> im installing now
[04:18] <HymnToLife> I guess you'd be better with the Alternate then :p
[04:18] <fudgey> I cant get gdm to start!
[04:18] <fudgey> ok
[04:18] <HymnToLife> gdm ?
[04:18] <fudgey> yeah
[04:19] <fudgey> its from the memory problem
[04:19] <whiz2> Dr_willis: is vnc4server gui based?
[04:19] <HymnToLife> I didn't recall the liveCD showing the gdm screen
[04:19] <fudgey> time to dl the alternate cd
[04:19] <fudgey> it does
[04:19] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  there are no 'guibased' vnc servers - you are thinking in windows terms.
[04:20] <Dr_willis> you could call the kde/gnome shared desktop featues guibased i guess...
[04:20] <whiz2> I can only get vncserver to login as root... how can I change the user it logs in as
[04:20] <whiz2> ?
[04:20] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  i run vncserver as the user i want to have the desktop running as/
[04:20] <whiz2> I tried running it as my user, but was denied
[04:21] <Dr_willis> ssh in as user, and that user cant run 'vncserver' eh?
[04:21] <Dr_willis> or was the connection denied?
[04:21] <whiz2> i dunno how to use ssh either
[04:21] <Dr_willis> well its time to get reading i guess. :)
[04:21] <whiz2> opening the files were denied
[04:21] <whiz2> lol
[04:21] <Dr_willis> ssh ip#
[04:21] <Dr_willis> opening what files?
[04:21] <whiz2> one moment
[04:21] <Dr_willis> one step at a time. heh heh
[04:22] <Dr_willis> if you got some fixed font errors im going to scream.. :)
[04:22] <Dr_willis> vncserver puts some logs in the users .vnc/whatever dirs..
[04:22] <Dr_willis> those may be wroth reading
[04:24] <whiz2> can I opst the error messasge I got here?
[04:24] <whiz2> post*
[04:24] <fudgey> yyeah
[04:24] <whiz2> jason@Linux-Network:~$ vncserver
[04:24] <whiz2> cat: /home/jason/.vnc/passwd: Permission denied
[04:24] <whiz2> sh: /home/jason/.vnc/Linux-Network:1.log: Permission denied
[04:24] <whiz2> sh: /home/jason/.vnc/Linux-Network:1.pid: Permission denied
[04:24] <whiz2> 
[04:24] <whiz2> New 'X' desktop is Linux-Network:1
[04:24] <fudgey> it be flooding
[04:24] <whiz2> 
[04:24] <whiz2> Starting applications specified in /etc/X11/Xsession
[04:24] <fudgey> =)
[04:24] <whiz2> Log file is /home/jason/.vnc/Linux-Network:1.log
[04:24] <Jucato> !pastebin | whiz2
[04:24] <whiz2> 
[04:24] <ubotu> whiz2: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:24] <whiz2> sh: /home/jason/.vnc/Linux-Network:1.log: Permission denied
[04:24] <whiz2> jason@Linux-Network:~$
[04:25] <fudgey> sudo vncserver
[04:25] <Dr_willis> why do you need to 'sudo vncserver' ? that will run it as the root user.. which is not needed
[04:25] <whiz2> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6508/
[04:25] <fudgey> permission denied?
[04:25] <fudgey> whenever I see that I use sudo Lol
[04:25] <fudgey> cuz most of the time it works
[04:26] <whiz2> when I sudo vncserver it starts the serv i c e ,      a nDI L oggsot  ini tas root only
[04:26] <Dr_willis> remove the .vnc dir and try again just as that user.
[04:26] <Dr_willis> DONT use 'sudo vncserver'   :)
[04:26] <Dr_willis> it may be making the .vnc dir with root permissions
[04:26] <fudgey> then do a chmod!
[04:27] <whiz2> When I sudo vncserver it starts X but kdm refuses login so I get a blank desktop with no UI.
[04:27] <fudgey> is there any step by step instructions on installing ubuntu 6.06 on an imac via alternate cd?
[04:27] <justin1278> Hello, can somebody assist me with setting up Wine?
[04:27] <fudgey> setup?
[04:28] <surgy> hey guys
[04:28] <surgy> i need help
[04:28] <fudgey> just ask the question
[04:28] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  you dont want to use 'sudo vncserver'    the vncserver command 'should' start the window manager defined in .vnc/xstartup
[04:28] <whiz2> Dr_willis: That's ~/.vnc/xstartup?
[04:28] <surgy> guildwars crashed and aparently cedega is still runing becuase im still getting audio output from the game but no vide.... isnt there a command called "sudo kill wineserver" or something? i tried it as i typed it but i get bash errors
[04:28] <Dr_willis> yes each user has their own .vnc dir
[04:29] <Dr_willis> so they got their own settings - the dir is created when the user first runs vncserver
[04:29] <fudgey> sudo killall?
[04:29] <fudgey> sudo killall wineserver?
[04:29] <justin1278> Can somebody help me with installing Wine?
[04:29] <surgy> thank you
[04:29] <Dr_willis> !wine
[04:30] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[04:30] <fudgey> sudo aptitude install wine!
[04:30] <Dr_willis> >hic<
[04:30] <justin1278> i've done that
[04:30] <justin1278> but it doesn't run
[04:30] <fudgey> then
[04:30] <fudgey> wine
[04:30] <fudgey> winecfg
[04:30] <Jucato> justin1278: what doesn't run? you use wine like this: wine program.exe
[04:30] <Jucato> (you have to be in the folder where program.exe is in)
[04:30] <fudgey> yeah
[04:30] <fudgey> or
[04:30] <fudgey> wine /blah/blah/blah.exe
[04:31] <Jucato> yep that works too :)
[04:31] <whiz2> Dr_willis: I don't have a xstartup in ~/.vnc all I have is a log, a pid and passwd.
[04:31] <osiris> !restricted formats > osiris
[04:31] <justin1278> Jucato: I typed Wine in the Run Command window but it doesn't open, it shows it loading but it just stops.
[04:31] <Dr_willis> now ya know why i use vnc4server :)
[04:31] <Jucato> justin1278: it won't really show up. you have to give it a program to run
[04:31] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  make one perhaps? theres too many variants on vncserver now a days.. trying to be too smart.
[04:31] <Jucato> justin1278: it's usually used in the command line
[04:32] <fudgey> is there any step by step instructions on installing ubuntu 6.06 on an imac via alternate cd?
[04:32] <justin1278> Jucato: Ok, can I install a Windows program on a CD using Wine?
[04:32] <fudgey> yeah
[04:32] <whiz2> Dr_willis: I think I can lookup which vnc is running...
[04:32] <Jucato> justin1278: yes. but not all Windows programs will run in Wine
[04:32] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  check those files with 'ls -l *' and see who owns them.
[04:32] <justin1278> Jucato: Are there specific types that won't? If so what kind can I expect to not run?
[04:33] <fudgey> look at the wine database
[04:33] <justin1278> Ok
[04:33] <Schuenemann> has anybody installed amsn? I get errors due to that tcl
[04:33] <Jucato> justin1278: http://appdb.winehq.org/
[04:33] <whiz2> in /home/jason/.vnc all files are root:root.
[04:33] <fudgey> is there any step by step instructions on installing ubuntu 6.06 on an imac via alternate cd?
[04:33] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  thats from you doing sudo vncserver is My guess...
[04:33] <whiz2> should I chown then jason:jason?
[04:33] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  sudo rm -r /home/jason/.vnc
[04:34] <Dr_willis> is ibne way.. or chown/chmod them
[04:34] <whiz2> Dr_willis: Yeah, I'll just blow them out and see if I can login as jason...
[04:34] <Dr_willis> brb,,, snack time
[04:34] <whiz2> Dr_willis: Err, run vncserver as jason.
[04:35] <justin1278> Jucato: I've put the CD I want in the drive, now how do I use Wine to run it?
[04:36] <fudgey> mount it
[04:37] <fudgey> I havent figured out how to run an app that requires the cd
[04:37] <justin1278> how? sorry, Im new at linux..
[04:37] <justin1278> oh ok
[04:37] <fudgey> does that app require the cd to run?
[04:37] <justin1278> no, just the cd to install
[04:37] <fudgey> I just open the cd and launch the setup with wine
[04:37] <justin1278> how do i do this?
[04:38] <fudgey> places...desktop...file system...cdrom
[04:39] <justin1278> how do I open the CD and launch the setup in Wine?
[04:39] <fudgey> the cd should be on desktop..
[04:39] <justin1278> it is
[04:39] <fudgey> double click it!
[04:40] <fudgey> look for setup.exe or seomthing
[04:40] <fudgey> open it with wine
[04:40] <justin1278> ok
[04:41] <Schuenemann> has anybody installed amsn?
[04:41] <christian_> Hi! I have problem with a Genius NetScroll+Optical mouse!
[04:42] <christian_> in Kubuntu 6.1!
[04:42] <slyfox> What is going on? I just downlaoded a manual in pdf and Kpdf asks me some kind of password to read the document, in windows it does not ask anything it jsut opens it ?!
[04:42] <christian_> please help me...
[04:42] <slyfox> christian_: ubuntuforums.org is the best place to look
[04:42] <fudgey> cant wait for version 7 ubuntu!
[04:43] <HymnToLife> of course you can, and you most likely will ;)
[04:43] <Dr_willis> i want version 9
[04:43] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:43] <fudgey> LOL
[04:44] <HymnToLife> though you could upgrade to it now, if you like your system on the bleeding edge
[04:44] <osiris> can anyone recomend an itunes or napster ish app for linux ?
[04:44] <HymnToLife> !amarok
[04:44] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.5 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[04:44] <osiris> something more than a player.  where i can purchase the music
[04:44] <whiz2> How do you add a command to init.d or inet.d?
[04:45] <Dr_willis> what? thats legal?
[04:45] <cpk1> amarok is awesome
[04:45] <Dr_willis> heh
[04:45] <Mena> i had this while compiling
[04:45] <Dr_willis> some places are beginning to sell/download mp3's now legally
[04:45] <Mena>  C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[04:45] <Mena> See `config.log' for more details.
[04:45] <HymnToLife> Mena, do you have build-essential installed ?
[04:45] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  you wouldent.. those are service dirs and have special scripts
[04:46] <Mena> HymnTolife, i dont know
[04:46] <khaije1> osiris: apollon will allow you to exchange files, also i'd reccomend emusic
[04:46] <Mena> HymnTolife, i dont think so
[04:46] <whiz2> Dr_willis: I want to run vncserver as a service.
[04:46] <khaije1> and yes amarok is boss
[04:46] <HymnToLife> Mena, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:46] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  theres some guides on doing that.. but its proberly beyond you.. plus its not really needed.
[04:46] <Mena> ok
[04:47] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  i had vncserver set where it would spawn as needed new sessions when i vncclient connected to a box.
[04:47] <fudgey> no sudo aptitude install tremulous
[04:47] <fudgey> then
[04:47] <fudgey> sudo suicide
[04:47] <whiz2> Dr_willis: Okay, how?
[04:47] <Dr_willis> but that took away one of the cooler features of the vncserver.. desktops running in the background/persistant
[04:47] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  better off proberly just sshing into the box. and running the vncserver as the user you want
[04:48] <whiz2> Dr_willis: I have ssh client/server working too.
[04:48] <slyfox> Can somone please see if they can open this pdf or there is a problem with my Kubuntu  http://dlsvr03.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/G1/C2808_G1_hw.pdf
[04:49] <lingga> hello evrybody ..
[04:49] <NightBird> hi lingga
[04:49] <whiz2> slyfox: You probably need to type your user password because it needs root privlidges.
[04:49] <NightBird> slyfox, it's opening right now.... and it's open
[04:49] <lingga> anyone know how to create root password in kubuntu 6.10 ?
[04:50] <NightBird> lingga, it is your password
[04:50] <NightBird> when asked for the super user password, you supply your password to enable super user privleges for the next command
[04:50] <Dr_willis> lingga,  giving root their own password is a linux test. :) if you can figure out how to do it... then your linux skills are good enough to let you do it.
[04:51] <christian_> [17180608.808000]  usb 3-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3
[04:51] <christian_> [17180620.352000]  usb 3-3: device not accepting address 3, error -110
[04:51] <christian_> [17180620.464000]  usb 3-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4
[04:51] <cpk1> i was gonna to say something of the same Dr_willis ^^
[04:51] <christian_> [17180632.008000]  usb 3-3: device not accepting address 4, error -110
[04:51] <Dr_willis> its best to get into the 'sudo habbit'
[04:51] <christian_> [17180632.120000]  usb 3-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 5
[04:51] <christian_> [17180642.544000]  usb 3-3: device not accepting address 5, error -110
[04:51] <christian_> [17180642.656000]  usb 3-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 6
[04:51] <christian_> [17180653.080000]  usb 3-3: device not accepting address 6, error -110
[04:51] <Mena> HymnTolife, how to keep sure that i compile correctly
[04:51] <cpk1> Mena: what are you compiling?
[04:51] <whiz2> Dr_willis: I can assign password to root, too bad kdm doesn't allow root login. ;)
[04:51] <NightBird> christian_, don't paste to the chatroom, use a paste site, than paste the link in here
[04:51] <slyfox> NightBird: let me try
[04:51] <HymnToLife> Mena, if you see some error messages, it didn't compile correctly
[04:51] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  thats easially fixed also
[04:51] <Mena> cpk1, a style (lipistk2.2.2)
[04:52] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  but not a good idea
[04:52] <Mena> HymnTolife, ok
[04:52] <slyfox> NightBird: no, entering my password does not open it
[04:52] <christian_> who is the "Paste site"?
[04:52] <whiz2> Dr_willis: I know, totally breaking the security model.
[04:52] <HymnToLife> whiz2, you can easily configure it to, but I wouldn't recommend it
[04:52] <HymnToLife> and neither tell you how to do it :p
[04:52] <NightBird> !paste
[04:52] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:52] <Dr_willis> slyfox,  that pdf opens fine for me.
[04:52] <NightBird> !paste | christian_
[04:52] <ubotu> christian_: please see above
[04:52] <cpk1> Mena: dont confuse errors with warnings
[04:53] <NightBird> slyfox, why is it asking for a super user's password to open the pdf?
[04:53] <christian_> ok
[04:53] <christian_> tanks
[04:53] <christian_> sorry
[04:53] <slyfox> Dr_willis: this one right ?  in english?  http://dlsvr01.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/G1/e2808_g1.pdf
[04:53] <Mena> cpk1, ok i had this can you see it http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6510/
[04:53] <slyfox> Dr_willis: Kpdf ?
[04:53] <Dr_willis> yep
[04:53] <Dr_willis> that one.. in kpdf
[04:53] <Mena> cpk1,bec i try make install with sudo but i dont sure if it was right
[04:54] <Dr_willis> im running sidux at the moment.. not kubuntu however...
[04:54] <Mena> cpk1,this is teh last lines
[04:54] <Mena> last*
[04:54] <Mena> the*
[04:54] <cpk1> it finished fine it looks like
[04:54] <slyfox> Dr_willis: becasue me and few otehr people in KDE channel cannot open it
[04:55] <Dr_willis> slyfox,  i can 'read' it.. but i cant READ it... its in jappenese or somthing.. :)
[04:55] <Mena> cpk1,ok
[04:55] <Dr_willis> slyfox,  i did 'download it to disk' then opened it.
[04:55] <lingga> so I can't log in as super user ?
[04:55] <slyfox> Dr_willis: no ! you need to get the english one, this one http://dlsvr03.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/G1/e2808_g1.pdf
[04:56] <Dr_willis> ok lets try that one
[04:56] <slyfox> Dr_willis: please try again
[04:56] <Dr_willis> lingga,  you can if you know what you are doing.
[04:57] <slyfox> Dr_willis: can you please get in here: #kde and reports about that pdf - english one
[04:57] <Dr_willis> slyfox,  ok. THAT one says its locked..
[04:57] <slyfox> Dr_willis: aha!
[04:57] <slyfox> Dr_willis: but it opens fine in windows xp
[04:58] <Dr_willis> sounds like a security breach in xp! :)
[04:58] <SlackRat> Dr_willis: how do did get sidux up, off which kanotix release?
[04:59] <Dr_willis> SlackRat,  there was a relase on disrtowatch 4 days ago i just downloaded
[04:59] <SlackRat> really? rc ?
[04:59] <SlackRat> beta?
[04:59] <Dr_willis> rc3 or 4 or somthing...
[05:00] <SlackRat> hows it compare to kanotix back in the day? same thing pretty much?
[05:00] <[GuS] > hi Guys... Ktorrent is not working on Feisty 4? i can't search nothing
[05:00] <Dr_willis> its basifially debian with a few little tweaks...
[05:00] <[GuS] > always i got an search error
[05:00] <Dr_willis> cant tell much of a diff.
[05:00] <SlackRat> i know, i ran kanotix  till the easter release was just an exercise in futilitiy than it kinda stopped and i gave up
[05:01] <Dr_willis> figured id play with another disto till feisty farting fawn got out...
[05:01] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:01] <SlackRat> and the kanotix team split and went off to carry on a Sid based release
[05:01] <lingga> Dr_willis: i want ti intall ati driver in my new kubuntu that needs root access, what should I do ?
[05:01] <SlackRat> lmao at farting fawn
[05:01] <Dr_willis> lingga,  use the proper use of 'sudo' where needed..
[05:01] <Dr_willis> !ati
[05:01] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:01] <SlackRat> rofl
[05:01] <SlackRat> oh god what an image.....
[05:02] <SlackRat> farting fawn
[05:02] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:02] <SlackRat> lmao
[05:02] <Dr_willis> would make for a good wallpaper eh?
[05:02] <Dr_willis> :)\
[05:02] <SlackRat> help......
[05:02] <Dr_willis> Bambie and Thumper in the woods....
[05:02] <SlackRat> my stomach hurts
[05:02] <Dr_willis> and a can of beans..
[05:02] <SlackRat> brraaaaaap!
[05:02] <Mena> cpk1, do you know why my lipistik didnt upgrade to 2.2.2 after compiling
[05:02] <SlackRat> heh
[05:03] <Dr_willis> Mena,  it may of installed to the wrong dir.
[05:03] <lingga> Dr_willis:  ic, so for security reason kubuntu disabled root login by default.. hmm
[05:03] <Dr_willis> Mena,  ive seen alot of themes that install to  the wrong place
[05:03] <Dr_willis> lingga,  by default - you cant directly login as root.
[05:03] <SlackRat> security and KEQ
[05:03] <fanscore> !fr
[05:03] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:03] <bitbyte> Dr_willis, i got that grub thing fixed, thanks for the help
[05:03] <Mena> Dr_Willis, So what to do
[05:04] <Dr_willis> Mena,  i recall when i compiled some themes i had to give some option to the ./configure scripts
[05:04] <Dr_willis> ./configure PREFIX=`somekde-commandhere`  that showed where the kdedir was .. (i think its /usr ok kubuntu)
[05:04] <Dr_willis> you may want to apt-get remove the older theme as well
[05:05] <Mena> yes kubuntu
[05:05] <Mena> Dr_willis, ok
[05:05] <Kite_DH> Dr_willis: why cant i create /usr/lib/win32 ???
[05:05] <SlackRat> do you need to install the driver from a non gui tty?
[05:05] <lingga> Dr_willis: how about 'su' command is that possible to do that ? because I want using kubuntu in the class and I want to show to my student how to do 'su' command..
[05:05] <Dr_willis> kde-config  --prefix
[05:05] <slyfox> Is it posssible and is it the right way to do so? Say some other use is loged in on my Kubuntu machine, and new updates are available can I the "roor" user do the updates without logging out that current user and logging into my account to do the update? Becasue when I tried to enter my password in other user's accoutn to update I could not do it.
[05:05] <Dr_willis> lingga,  su can work.. but may not work totally how you expect. its best to use sudo
[05:05] <SlackRat> lingga.....its sudo
[05:06] <Dr_willis> Kite_DH,  first guess.. you are not doing it as root with sudo as needed
[05:06] <Kite_DH> Dr_willis: how is that possible?
[05:06] <Dr_willis> slyfox,  you can login as user, and do 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[05:06] <SlackRat> a root account cant be activated, but it is easy to trash your ubuntu , more so than with distros that have su access by default
[05:06] <Dr_willis> Kite_DH,  why not tell us WHY/What you are trying to do?
[05:07] <SlackRat> and DONT try that root account in gui
[05:07] <Dr_willis> Kite_DH,  sudo mkdir /whatever/the/heck/ya/want
[05:07] <Kite_DH> Dr_willis: the guys in #mplayer said i should create it and put the codecs in there
[05:07] <slyfox> Dr_willis: and it will ask me for the sudo password and I will enter it and it will work eventhough I am logged in under some other than admnistrator user account ?
[05:07] <SlackRat> sudo ati-install.sh or whatever would work for the driver....or should
[05:07] <Dr_willis> Kite_DH,  they dont know ubuntu/kubuntu then.. you DONT need to install the w32codecs that way
[05:07] <Dr_willis> !w32codecs
[05:07] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[05:07] <fanscore> !fr
[05:07] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:08] <Dr_willis> Kite_DH,  you are doing it the hardway
[05:08] <SlackRat> sudo gives the user temporary root powers
[05:08] <Dr_willis> !codecs
[05:08] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:09] <daleach> guys this seems pretty strange to me.. so yesterday I was installing Xgl and Compiz... I'm in compiz right now got wobbly windows and all but when I go to glxinfo | grep direct gets me "direct rendering : No" how is this possible?
[05:10] <slyfox> Dr_willis: and it will ask me for the sudo password and I will enter it and it will work eventhough I am logged in under some other than admnistrator user account ?
[05:10] <daleach> I thought that was a huge requirement of xgl/ compiz and stuff
[05:10] <Kite_DH> Dr_willis: hmm...can u help me installing the mplayer codecs then?
[05:10] <Kite_DH> Dr_willis: i got the folder with the codec files, what to do with it?
[05:10] <Schuenemann> Kite_DH, done sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs ?
[05:10] <Dr_willis> Kite_DH,  you dont need to do any of that.. you enable the severas repository, then apt-get install it...
[05:11] <lingga> Dr_willis: how if another user log in to my kubuntu and doing sudo, what happen ?
[05:11] <Dr_willis> lingga,  just try it and see.. :)
[05:11] <bonbonthejon> is there a command to scan a disk for errors
[05:11] <spitwise> !codecs | Kite_DH
[05:11] <ubotu> Kite_DH: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:11] <Kite_DH> Dr_willis: how can i delete the dir again?
[05:11] <slyfox> Kite_DH: http://www.diigo.com/redirect?http%3A%2F%2Ffosswire.com%2F2007%2F01%2F24%2Fubuntu-tip-get-mplayer-and-play-everything
[05:11] <Dr_willis> if a user connects and runs sudo whatever.. its the same as if you did it locally.
[05:11] <Dr_willis> Kite_DH,  'rm' command
[05:11] <lingga> Dr_willis: :)
[05:12] <SlackRat> hmn, i dont see any release iso for sidux, it leads to a debian parent directory
[05:12] <slyfox> Dr_willis: ok, thanks will try that.
[05:12] <Kite_DH> Dr_willis: it says "No such file or directory" tho its there
[05:12] <daleach> anyone know why my glxinfo prints direct rending no?
[05:12] <slyfox> Kite_DH: link above is your guide to mplayer
[05:12] <spitwise> rm -rf /path/to/dir
[05:12] <Kite_DH> slyfox: thx
[05:12] <Kite_DH> spitwise: thx
[05:13] <SlackRat> lingga, that other person still needs your password to use sudo
[05:13] <Kite_DH> works
[05:13] <Kite_DH> thx
[05:13] <spitwise> sure
[05:13] <Kite_DH> thx for your help
[05:14] <SlackRat> rmdir
[05:15] <Schuenemann> SlackRat, I guess I got rid of that sound server problem... I just disabled it :D
[05:15] <SlackRat> ah, found sidux........
[05:15] <SlackRat> disabled what? kde soundsystem?
[05:15] <Schuenemann> the sound server
[05:15] <lingga> SlackRat: so the first user created is the super user ?
[05:15] <SlackRat> so you have no sound?
[05:16] <Schuenemann> no, I have sound
[05:16] <Schuenemann> I don't know what is that sound server for
[05:16] <Dr_willis> lingga,  the semi-super-user. :)
[05:16] <SlackRat> no the first user and only user is a user who can sudo with their password to su privileges
[05:17] <lingga> Dr_willis: how to create full super user :)
[05:17] <SlackRat> its in the documentation and highly NOT recommended
[05:18] <SlackRat> i used it , stupidly with full gui root account and borked my system
[05:18] <Schuenemann> what do you mean by first and only user?
[05:18] <Kite_DH> k, its done
[05:18] <Schuenemann> what if you have 2?
[05:18] <Dr_willis> lingga,  thats homework.. when you figure it out.. then grasshopper it will be time for you to go to the next level.
[05:18] <SlackRat> you set up your system, and presumably can add users to it
[05:19] <SlackRat> there are ways to exclude users certain permissions
[05:19] <Schuenemann> and the only user able to run su commands is the 1st ?
[05:19] <lingga> Dr_willis: okay will, I'm the new comer in kubuntu... :)
[05:19] <SlackRat> sudo commands, if you are the one administering the system, you can exclude other users from sudo rights.....unless they just open their own account on your box
[05:20] <SlackRat> and know what theyre doing.  spelling out how to enable a full root account in an irc channel would be irresponsible, check the docs if you insist on trying it
[05:21] <SlackRat> :-P
[05:21] <Schuenemann> hehe
[05:21] <Schuenemann> I was just curious... I'm the only one using this computer
[05:22] <SlackRat> then someone else just using it for a while, without their own acccount has to know your password to use sudo
[05:22] <emachete> anybody know how can I install nokia 3220 as modem
[05:22] <SlackRat> otherwise, nada
[05:23] <lingga> SlackRat: how about modem problem, I can't access my internal modem, I'm using win modem in my laptop.. any idea ?
[05:23] <SlackRat> ack, winmodems dont play nice with linux....i suggest googling winmodems and ndiswrapper
[05:24] <SlackRat> or getting another modem
[05:24] <Dr_willis> or a hammer :)
[05:24] <SlackRat> true
[05:24] <SlackRat> it can be done but its a pain
[05:24] <SlackRat> resistance is futile, lol
[05:25] <lingga> !ping
[05:25] <ubotu> pong
[05:25] <SlackRat> wow, the sidux iso is small
[05:25] <fudgey> The Starting Line
[05:25] <Dr_willis> SlackRat,  because so little is included. :)
[05:26] <fudgey> The Early November
[05:26] <SlackRat> is synaptic included?
[05:26] <Dr_willis> SlackRat,  it did have a nice script to get the nvida drivers going
[05:26] <Dr_willis> not that i saw. :)
[05:26] <fudgey> Something Corporate
[05:26] <Dr_willis> had to install it.
[05:26] <SlackRat> i liked hacking kanotix, till it shriveled up and died
[05:26] <Dr_willis> missing a lot of the kde stuff as well.
[05:26] <SlackRat> yeah, my first kanotix was kanotix lite.......
[05:28] <maryen_> hi
[05:28] <tarelerulz> Do any of you know where the driver for you activer kernel are ? on the filesystem
[05:29] <maryen_> anyone wanna help me out with something?
[05:29] <SlackRat> did you need to run extra scripts when you installed like in kanotix final death throes?
[05:29] <SlackRat> and is anyone from kanotix still working with kanotix?
[05:29] <HymnToLife> tarelerulz, /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel
[05:29] <SlackRat> maryen, if you could be specific, maybe.....
[05:30] <maryen_> SlackRat: well, I wrote a script to install a game under wine and configure wine to run it properly, and I was wondering if someone could help me test it.
[05:31] <SlackRat> ack, i ve never had any real luck at all with wine....have you checked #wine?
[05:31] <Schuenemann> I know this is a stupid question, but how can I change konqueror's background?
[05:31] <maryen_> SlackRat: it's not really a wine question
[05:32] <SlackRat> or you could ask so more people in here
[05:32] <maryen_> SlackRat: i was wondering if someone could help me test my script
[05:32] <SlackRat> if its to install a game under wine, i dont mess with wine......but maybe someone here wants to give it a shot
[05:32] <maryen_> er but then again i could do that in the forums
[05:33] <SlackRat> i think wine might also be interested in an app specific script for their utility
[05:33] <maryen_> hmm
[05:34] <maryen_> well first i need to see if it works on anything but my computer
[05:35] <tarelerulz> I try to use my wiresless  card and I can see networks ,but I can't connect to them. It does not work with dcp
[05:35] <tarelerulz> Do any of you know what might be up
[05:36] <admin__> hey
[05:36] <admin__> need some help ppl
[05:36] <admin__> with installin easybuntu
[05:36] <SlackRat> maybe if we knew what kind of help?
[05:36] <SlackRat> whats wrong with it
[05:37] <SlackRat> maryen.....im sure wine devs have a variety of computers for testing.....
[05:37] <admin__> dont no what to do after i do the last update step
[05:37] <SlackRat> and can help you tweak anything that needs work
[05:37] <SlackRat> which was the last step
[05:37] <SlackRat> ?
[05:37] <SlackRat> easyubuntu takes a while
[05:38] <admin__> sudo apt-get update
[05:38] <admin__> takes awhile for?
[05:38] <SlackRat> and some folks have problems with it...i havent......easy ubuntu is a gui
[05:39] <SlackRat> have you apt-get updated your system recently....?
[05:39] <admin__> just before
[05:39] <admin__> fisrt time just installed kubuntu yesterday
[05:40] <SlackRat> so its up to date, you should be able to run easyubuntu
[05:40] <admin__> how do i run it
[05:40] <SlackRat> choose what you want installed, and apply
[05:41] <SlackRat> type easyubuntu on command line iirc
[05:41] <SlackRat> or find it in kmenu
[05:41] <Kite_DH> how to find out what mplayer version i got?
[05:41] <SlackRat> fire up mplayer and look under help/about
[05:41] <SlackRat> usually shows version
[05:42] <SlackRat> or run mplayer -v
[05:42] <admin__> how do i find kmenu
[05:42] <SlackRat> click on the big k on your task bar
[05:42] <Kite_DH> lol
[05:42] <SlackRat> first icon, like windows start
[05:42] <Kite_DH> =)
[05:43] <eric_> whats the best imaging software to use?
[05:43] <Kite_DH> adobe photoshop
[05:43] <Kite_DH> lol
[05:43] <eric_> noo lol
[05:43] <Kite_DH> u have to find that out urself i think
[05:44] <eric_> i mean to make an image of your desktop
[05:44] <Kite_DH> oh
[05:44] <eric_> haha
[05:44] <Kite_DH> snapshot program?
[05:44] <eric_> nope
[05:44] <eric_> incase your latptop crashes
[05:44] <eric_> you can restore it with an image
[05:44] <Kite_DH> ..no idea, ask the guys here
[05:45] <eric_> i was haha
[05:45] <dannnnnnnn___> how can i play wmv's in kubuntu
[05:45] <Kite_DH> SlackRat: how to upgrade my MPlayer 1.0pre8 to 1.0rc1
[05:46] <Kite_DH> a death god
[05:46] <Kite_DH> wow
[05:46] <DjVaip> i cant find
[05:46] <DjVaip> easyubuntu
[05:46] <SlackRat> does mplayer show a new version avail in synaptic?
[05:46] <Kite_DH> wait ima check
[05:47] <SlackRat> then type on command line Dj
[05:47] <SlackRat> if you already installed it
[05:47] <Kite_DH> i got it installed
[05:47] <SlackRat> if not, you can try just uninstalling the old, and download and install the new deb pkg
[05:47] <DjVaip> bash: easyubuntu: command not found
[05:47] <Kite_DH> but i want to upgrade it
[05:47] <Kite_DH> hmm, not it doesnt show a new one
[05:47] <DjVaip> ok how to uninstall old
[05:48] <SlackRat> ok, uninstall with synaptic, or with apt-get remove mplayer
[05:48] <SlackRat> find the latest, hopefully in a deb pkg , and install it
[05:48] <SlackRat> and pray
[05:49] <SlackRat> synaptic has a show upgrades option
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[05:49] <surgy> anyone know the minimum sys requirements for kde? i got a 700mhz with 256mb ram and an ati 32mb card........ any ideas of the type of performance i can expect?
[05:50] <SlackRat> decent but no lightning fast
[05:50] <DjVaip> ok how to instsall firefox
[05:50] <SlackRat> im on 256 ram and its quite usable
[05:50] <khaije1> ME TOOO!
[05:50] <SlackRat> sudo apt-get install firefox
[05:51] <SlackRat> or for gui junkies theres synanptic....use it, its like a free version of ordering from amazon
[05:51] <SlackRat> lol
[05:51] <DjVaip> libnss3 E: Package firefox has no installation candidate
[05:51] <surgy> slackrat yeah my gf ran kde on 64 mb ram at 400mhz proc and it ran...... just slow
[05:51] <SlackRat> yup
[05:52] <surgy> djvaip: try this: sudo apt-cache search firefox
[05:52] <SlackRat> try sudo apt-get install firefox-mozilla
[05:52] <DjVaip> libnss3 - Network Security Service Libraries - runtime
[05:52] <khaije1> or even sudo apt-get install clue
[05:52] <SlackRat> or browse synaptic
[05:52] <SlackRat> clue? it gives clues?
[05:52] <surgy> i think that was a sick joke
[05:52] <SlackRat> if youre new, try synaptic
[05:52] <SlackRat> lmao
[05:53] <surgy> meant to confuse newbies
[05:53] <SlackRat> heh
[05:53] <surgy> khaije1: lol had me wandering "wtf, a package called clue installs firefox?"
[05:53] <DjVaip> surgy: libnss3 - Network Security Service Libraries - runtime
[05:54] <khaije1> sorry, it's rude to interupt ;-)
[05:54] <DjVaip> what cmd to kill all update programs
[05:54] <surgy> djvaip: not it close you terminal and go to kde menu >> system >> adept package manager
[05:54] <surgy> djvaip: sudo killall ?
[05:54] <DjVaip> kk
[05:55] <cpk1> lol there really is a package called clue
[05:55] <surgy> oh yeah?
[05:55] <DjVaip> if adpet dosent load?
[05:55] <surgy> whats it do?
[05:55] <SlackRat> doesnt kill all shut down your system?
[05:55] <spitwise> nah
[05:55] <surgy> djvaip: its a peice of shit try again
[05:55] <khaije1> !clue
[05:55] <SlackRat> adept is basically an update tool
[05:55] <ubotu> clue: Package to ease upgrading, delete me. In component universe, is optional. Version 20050523-1 (edgy), package size 4 kB, installed size 36 kB
[05:56] <khaije1> well waddayaknow
[05:56] <surgy> lol learn something everytime i come here :)
[05:56] <SlackRat> fire up synaptic and see all the purdy packages waiting to be installed
[05:56] <spitwise> killall programname/pid
[05:56] <khaije1> SlackRat: not an adept fan?
[05:56] <DjVaip> i dont have synaptic
[05:56] <SlackRat> i use it when it tells me there are updates
[05:56] <SlackRat> but apt get is faster
[05:57] <surgy> khaije1: the more i use it the more i hate it, only runs every third time i try
[05:57] <SlackRat> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[05:57] <surgy> i have gotten used to apt-cache search
[05:57] <khaije1> surgy: wow, since edgy i've been very pleased, just wondering
[05:57] <SlackRat> altho ive never seen an ubuntu without synaptic before
[05:58] <DjVaip> says no installation canadite
[05:58] <surgy> slackrat kubuntu doesnt have synaptic by defualt..... i think
[05:58] <SlackRat> maybe, maybe its the old ones.....that had it
[05:58] <SlackRat> Dj, did you update your apt-get?
[05:58] <UbUnTuNeWbIe> is there a way to make my wireless card active when i boot instead of having to sudo depmod -a and then sudo modprobe ndiswrapper to get it to work?
[05:58] <surgy> djvaip: forget about synaptic thats just confusing you, use adept till you learn more
[05:59] <DjVaip> that dosent even load
[05:59] <DjVaip> ok surgy its loaded yay
[06:00] <SlackRat> very true
[06:00] <surgy> djvaip: gratzs just use the search bar there to find what you want
[06:00] <SlackRat> but synaptic is fun to browse thru
[06:00] <surgy> ok im off again
[06:00] <surgy> seeya peeeps
[06:00] <UbUnTuNeWbIe> is there a way to make my wireless card active when i boot instead of having to sudo depmod -a and then sudo modprobe ndiswrapper to get it to work?
[06:00] <SlackRat> but his apt-get doesnt seem to stat any packages so far
[06:00] <SlackRat> thats just being fanatic cp
[06:00] <cpk1> aptitude really can do alot more cooler things
[06:00] <SlackRat> :-P
[06:01] <Kite_DH> slack?
[06:01] <SlackRat> isnt debian tending to phase that out tho?
[06:01] <DjVaip> ok adept is up neeed help to get easyubuntu now
[06:01] <cpk1> UbUnTuNeWbIe: yes
[06:01] <Kite_DH> im searching something like "sudo apt-get install libpng libpng-dev"
[06:01] <SlackRat> jesus h christ on a bicycle
[06:01] <Kite_DH> but it says it doesnt find the package
[06:01] <Kite_DH> lol o.o sry
[06:01] <cpk1> UbUnTuNeWbIe: add ndiswrapper to /etc/modules
[06:01] <SlackRat> use a browser, download ....lol........easyubuntu when you find the site on google
[06:01] <SlackRat> its not supported by ubuntu
[06:02] <SlackRat> its got its own page
[06:02] <Kite_DH> are you talking to me slack?
[06:02] <UbUnTuNeWbIe> cpk1 how would i add it im still new to linux
[06:02] <SlackRat> which tells you how to dl and install easy ubuntu
[06:02] <khaije1> Kite_DH: when you're not sure searching is a good idea 'apt-cache search lib png' for example
[06:02] <Kite_DH> ok
[06:02] <cpk1> UbUnTuNeWbIe: in a konsole type kdesu kate /etc/modules
[06:02] <UbUnTuNeWbIe> any help is gr8ly appreciated
[06:03] <cpk1> how about aptitude search libpng
[06:03] <SlackRat> fanatic
[06:03] <SlackRat> lol
[06:03] <cpk1> aptitude is way more advanced
[06:03] <SlackRat> i like dselect even more
[06:03] <SlackRat> and dpkg
[06:03] <spitwise> or apt-cache search lib | grep 'png'
[06:03] <khaije1> hehe
[06:03] <SlackRat> but i reallly love compiling it all from source
[06:04] <jmichaelx> i have never understood the diff between apt-get and aptitude. i need to read up on that. i have one PC with Mepis on it, and noticed the other day that it doesn't have aptitude
[06:04] <SlackRat> and watching the babble on my screen for three hours to install emacs
[06:04] <UbUnTuNeWbIe> ok and i just type ndiswrapper in the list?
[06:04] <cpk1> UbUnTuNeWbIe: yup on its own line
[06:04] <UbUnTuNeWbIe> fantastic thank you very much
[06:04] <SlackRat> theyre closely related.....id have to go back to the books to see the history of how they came about and interact
[06:04] <cpk1> jmichaelx: they both use apt but aptitude has a "memory" among other things
[06:05] <DjVaip> y wont adept let me install easyubnutu or find it
[06:05] <khaije1> my computer doesn't use ones and zero's it uses heiroglyphics internally, apt-get armegeddon !!!
[06:05] <jmichaelx> cpk1: interesting
[06:05] <SlackRat> easy ubuntu is NOT an ubuntu repo package, its not supported.......
[06:05] <SlackRat> google it
[06:05] <SlackRat> go there
[06:05] <SlackRat> download it
[06:05] <Kite_DH> khaije1: what does this mean-> Error: X11 support required for GUI compilation.
[06:05] <SlackRat> and install it
[06:05] <cpk1> jmichaelx: for instance I just found out the other day that you can purge every thing that you have uninstalled with aptitude by doing aptitude puge ~C
[06:05] <UbUnTuNeWbIe> cpk1 ok thanks again goin to reboot to see if it works
[06:06] <jmichaelx> cpk1: that is awesome
[06:06] <cpk1> DjVaip: why do you want easyubuntu in the first place?
[06:06] <jrattner> Anyone know how to use the Water effect in beryl
[06:06] <SlackRat> to get all his codecs
[06:06] <khaije1> Kite_DH: not 100% sure, could be that you need the gui dev libs... ?
[06:06] <cpk1> !codecs
[06:06] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:06] <DjVaip> well i want to get y codecs and install firefoxx
[06:06] <Kite_DH> khaije1: i got them
[06:06] <khaije1> Kite_DH: whats the app?
[06:06] <cpk1> firefox is in the repos
[06:07] <SlackRat> so is synaptic
[06:07] <DjVaip> cpk1: its dosent let me get it
[06:07] <DjVaip> doesnt let me get ethoeir
[06:07] <SlackRat> i dont think he updated his apt-get
[06:07] <Kite_DH> khaije1: i think its libpng12-dev
[06:07] <cpk1> DjVaip: what doesnt let you get what?
[06:07] <SlackRat> did you sudo apt-get update?
[06:07] <cpk1> !firefox
[06:07] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[06:07] <DjVaip> stupid thing i am using Kubuntu
[06:07] <donald> hey everybody, i need some help. anybody willing to give me some?
[06:07] <khaije1> Kite_DH: i'm a little confuse, what app are you compiling?
[06:08] <SlackRat> Dj, did you sudo apt-get update????????????????
[06:08] <khaije1> !help
[06:08] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:08] <cpk1> DjVaip: do you have edgy?
[06:08] <SlackRat> ubotu, theres a lot you dont know, bleh
[06:08] <DjVaip> if i was using ubuntu id be in the irc lol
[06:08] <SlackRat> ubotu just im'ed me, lmao
[06:08] <Kite_DH> khaije1: mplayer
[06:09] <cpk1> mplayer is in the repos
[06:09] <khaije1> Kite_DH: are you aware you can get it from the repos?
[06:09] <Kite_DH> khaije1: what do you mean?
[06:09] <DjVaip> this is gay
[06:09] <SlackRat> you are using ubuntu, with a kde desktop
[06:09] <cpk1> !mplayer | Kite_DH
[06:09] <donald> I am having a problem with getting my modem to work.
[06:09] <ubotu> Kite_DH: mplayer is a media player. Enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer  To compile it from source see:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile
[06:09] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[06:10] <khaije1> Kite_DH: you can have the program and everything it needs to worl properly installed in an automated way
[06:10] <DjVaip> iam using
[06:10] <DjVaip> KBUNTU
[06:10] <cpk1> DjVaip: are you on edgy?
[06:10] <Kite_DH> khaije1: im trying to upgrade it rightnow
[06:10] <Kite_DH> khaije1: can u help me with that
[06:10] <SlackRat> which is ubuntu with a kde desktop, d'uh
[06:10] <khaije1> Kite_DH: it's usually *alot* easier, safer, and more convenient
[06:10] <DjVaip> 6.06 LTS
[06:10] <Kite_DH> khaije1: upgrade my MPlayer 1.0pre8 to 1.0rc1
[06:10] <Kite_DH> khaije1: how?
[06:10] <SlackRat> good, thats stable.....have ou bothered to sudo apt-get update yet??
[06:11] <DjVaip> yes i did
[06:11] <khaije1> Kite_DH: are you familiar w/ the idea of package management?
[06:11] <SlackRat> now apt-get synaptic or firefox
[06:11] <DjVaip> and it come up with this
[06:11] <Kite_DH> khaije1: im still newbt
[06:11] <SlackRat> see what happens
[06:11] <Kite_DH> khaije1: newb*
[06:11] <DjVaip> Fetched 2B in 4s (0B/s) Reading package lists... Done
[06:11] <SlackRat> ok, youre up to date with the repos
[06:11] <SlackRat> now 'sudo apt-get install synaptic
[06:12] <cpk1> no, 2 bytes is not upto date with repos
[06:12] <SlackRat> oh......well it said done
[06:12] <cpk1> DjVaip: how much output do you get when you type cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:12] <khaije1> Kite_DH: thats cool, you should know that one of the nicest thing about ubuntu is that installing and removing programs is incredibly easy, in most cases you only need to click a few buttons and it will find it install and configure the app for you
[06:12] <UbUnTuNeWbIe> cpk1 you are a bonafied genius
[06:12] <SlackRat> the doctor is in
[06:13] <Kite_DH> khaije1: yes, i found that...but the problem is that i dont have the idea of what to install and what to not install =)
[06:13] <UbUnTuNeWbIe> thank you again ive been rackin my brain for an hour tryin to figure this out thanks aain
[06:13] <SlackRat> install what you need as you go
[06:13] <DjVaip> about 45- 55 lines
[06:13] <khaije1> Kite_DH: well tell me this...is there a particular reason you wanted to compile it or do you just want a recent version of that program?
[06:13] <SlackRat> look thru the package repos, read pkg descriptions
[06:14] <khaije1> Kite_DH:  see SlackRat's comment ^^
[06:14] <Kite_DH> khaije1: ok...its like this: i went to #mplayer to ask how to get embed WMV steams running in my mozilla firefox webbrowser
[06:14] <cpk1> DjVaip: and they arent commented out?
[06:14] <Kite_DH> khaije1: they told me to do this and that
[06:14] <Kite_DH> khaije1: then we got at least a vid running
[06:14] <Kite_DH> khaije1: and now they tell me to upgrade my playerversion
[06:14] <DjVaip> first one is commented out and so is the last one
[06:14] <cpk1> DjVaip: also before i forget here is how to get the newest firefox http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/firefox
[06:14] <Kite_DH> khaije1: i asked how, they said to download something like a source
[06:15] <Kite_DH> khaije1: then they sent me here..and thats where i am now
[06:15] <Kite_DH> khaije1: and now they tell me to run : sudo apt-get build-dep mplayer
[06:16] <Kite_DH> khaije1: and my terminal says that it cant find a sourcpackage for mplayer
[06:16] <khaije1> Kite_DH: ok, as far as i know there are some version of wmv that won't play on linux no matter what you do
[06:16] <khaije1> is that right SlackRat?
[06:16] <Kite_DH> khaije1: i just want to watch pr0n :(
[06:17] <khaije1> heheh
[06:17] <Kite_DH> lawl
[06:18] <fanscore> !fr
[06:18] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:18] <Kite_DH> khaije1: first they say i need the new version of it, from http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ but i dont know hot to install it
[06:18] <Kite_DH> !de
[06:18] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[06:18] <SolidSource> for large collections of music, whats better than amarok...?
[06:18] <Kite_DH> wow
[06:18] <Kite_DH> hmm, they're probably sleeping rightnow lol
[06:18] <khaije1> Kite_DH:  i'm not 100% sure but i would probably check a few things first, there is probably an easier way
[06:19] <SlackRat> mplayer version 2:0.99 ?
[06:19] <SolidSource> mplayer...sucks
[06:19] <Kite_DH> upgrade my MPlayer 1.0pre8 to 1.0rc1
[06:19] <khaije1> Kite_DH: are you using ubuntu?
[06:19] <Kite_DH> is there another way to watch embed videos in firefox?
[06:19] <Kite_DH> i use edgy
[06:19] <jmichaelx> mplayer is good if you have the right version running
[06:20] <SlackRat> 2.0.9 is in my repos
[06:20] <SolidSource> I have the latest mplayer....it still sucks, has no features and hangs a lot
[06:20] <SlackRat> on dapper
[06:20] <khaije1> Kite_DH:  try the vlc plugin, 'sudo apt-get install mozilla-plugin-vlc vlc-plugin-alsa'
[06:20] <SlackRat> yeah, prefer vlc myself for problem media
[06:20] <Kite_DH> i got VLC ,yes
[06:21] <Kite_DH> so i should uninstall mplay?
[06:21] <Kite_DH> er
[06:21] <donald> Somebody please help. I am using a Conexant modem and I am using greatdialup.com for free dialup, and I have the dialup number, user ID, and password. I am having troubles with my modem.
[06:21] <jmichaelx> it is strange... i have kubuntu edgy installed on 2 desktops and one laptop. on the laptop, embedded videos play just fine in firefox.... on the 2 desktops, howver, i had to configure the videos to play in a separate window to get them to work
[06:21] <Kite_DH> mplayer sux somehow
[06:21] <jmichaelx> i don't know what the difference was
[06:21] <SlackRat> no, i tend to keep a few media players cause they all run into probs with certain formata
[06:21] <khaije1> Kite_DH: i'm not certain, but that would be the first thing i'd try, bear in mind though i don't think there are any ways to play recent versions of wmv
[06:21] <SlackRat> friggen DRM
[06:21] <donald> Can somebody help me with setting up my Conexant modem?
[06:22] <jmichaelx> no, you can play almost all .wmv files
[06:22] <khaije1> SlackRat: drm really is a pain isn't it
[06:22] <SlackRat> more than that, its an invasion of civil liberty
[06:23] <jmichaelx> DRM is what sucks, but i think at least some forms of DRM may be coming to linux soon....
[06:23] <khaije1> it's hard to explain to someone they can't watch their *ahem* movies because of some corporation
[06:23] <SlackRat> friends have trouble in other countries if they want to bring a dvd when they visit
[06:23] <SlackRat> which leads to more piracy, not less
[06:23] <Kite_DH> khaije1: not even with VLC?
[06:23] <SolidSource> no one has anything for huge collections of music....amarok has issues with keeping the database udated
[06:23] <jmichaelx> but you can play most .wmv videos in linux. i do it all  the time in firefox
[06:23] <Kite_DH> jmichaelx: maybe u can help me then
[06:24] <khaije1> Kite_DH: that is the latest i've heard, it may have changed i haven't checked in at least 6 months
[06:24] <jmichaelx> SolidSource: you just need to rescan your collection occasionally... it's not a big deal
[06:24] <SlackRat> jmichael, what do you mean coming to linux soon?
[06:24] <SolidSource> jmichaelx: I know it works...it hangs and stalls the program trying to scan my collection
[06:25] <Kite_DH> khaije1: thats what it says when i want to watch a stream http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2070/bildschirmphoto5it3.jpg
[06:25] <Kite_DH> flashplayer works tho
[06:26] <Kite_DH> <_<...sry for the adult gfx
[06:26] <Kite_DH> lol
[06:26] <bkudria> i need an app to draw directed graphs, with labelled nodes and connections.  can anyone recommend anything?
[06:26] <SolidSource> jmichaelx: amarok just can't handle my size of music collection
[06:27] <donald> Can somebody help me with my Conexant modem?
[06:27] <jarn> SolidSource: How big is your collection?
[06:27] <SlackRat> my my....goergous carmen is versatile
[06:27] <SolidSource> jmichaelx: a few hundred GBs
[06:27] <Kite_DH> jmichaelx: can you help me fix that?--> http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2070/bildschirmphoto5it3.jpg
[06:28] <SlackRat> dont do it, its smut!
[06:28] <SlackRat> lmao
[06:28] <Kite_DH> lawl
[06:28] <Kite_DH> <_<
[06:28] <Kite_DH> xD
[06:28] <jarn> SlackRat: How many songs do you have?
[06:28] <SlackRat> on this box, maybe a couple gigabytes
[06:28] <jarn> How many, not how big.
[06:29] <SlackRat> didnt count em
[06:29] <khaije1> i use amarok w/ about 50GB
[06:29] <jarn> Amarok tells you.
[06:29] <SlackRat> i dont load playlists
[06:29] <jarn> Ah.
[06:29] <Kite_DH> =/...i want streams now *cries*
[06:29] <SlackRat> i play entire albums
[06:29] <khaije1> listen to it SlackRat, it's talking to you
[06:29] <SlackRat> so i just click on the album and let amarok do its thing
[06:29] <SlackRat> what it is talking to me?
[06:30] <snax> hi
[06:30] <khaije1> meh, amarok :-)
[06:30] <jarn> I just have all my albums in my playlist.
[06:30] <snax> i have an Nvidia PCI card. i just purchased it.
[06:30] <snax> will kubuntu recognize it?
[06:30] <snax> upon installation.
[06:30] <SlackRat> should
[06:30] <jmichaelx> Kite_DH: your problem in the pic you posted i think is that you need to UNinstall the vlc plugin
[06:30] <snax> ok cool
[06:30] <SlackRat> the grand finale of abbey road
[06:30] <adydas__> u still want the drivers install i belive
[06:30] <snax> becuase debian is an asshole when it comes to graphics cards.
[06:31] <jmichaelx> Kite_DH: you can keep VLC, but not the browser plugin
[06:31] <nixternal> !language
[06:31] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[06:31] <SlackRat> and renameing firefox iceweasel
[06:31] <snax> sorry
[06:31] <snax> will kubuntu install drivers for me?
[06:32] <SlackRat> debian is off topic?
[06:32] <SlackRat> or was it the other word.....
[06:32] <snax> i know. but im just saying. im going to kubuntu becuase debian is older than dirt
[06:32] <nixternal> SlackRat: yes, since this is a the Kubuntu support channel
[06:32] <Kite_DH> jmichaelx: hmm...
[06:32] <nixternal> err, I can spell
[06:32] <snax> but if kubuntu doesent accomplish what i want, why bother migrating.
[06:33] <Kite_DH> jmichaelx: so i need to uninstall the mozilla-plugin-vlc ?
[06:33] <jmichaelx> Kite_DH: yes
[06:33] <Kite_DH> jmichaelx: or vlc-plugin-alsa
[06:33] <Kite_DH> both?
[06:33] <SlackRat> totally ignoring kubuntus debian underpinnings and how they differ from kubuntu?
[06:33] <jmichaelx> Kite_DH: just the mozilla one
[06:33] <adydas__> snax: This is what i was told and used to install my NV drivers
[06:33] <Kite_DH> jmichaelx: aight, its gone
[06:33] <adydas__> apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common linux-source-2.6.17
[06:33] <adydas__> hope it helps
[06:34] <snax> thanx pal  :P
[06:34] <jmichaelx> Kite_DH: i am not saying that your video will work, but it should no longer say 'no video'
[06:34] <snax> i just got done burning the alternate CD
[06:34] <adydas__> snax: once thats done edit the x11 conf and chanve nv to nvidia
[06:34] <Kite_DH> jmichaelx: thats true, now it says i need a plugin
[06:34] <adydas__> worked fine for me
[06:34] <snax> change nv to nvidia ehh?  will do.
[06:35] <jmichaelx> Kite_DH: have you installed the mplayer plugin?
[06:35] <Kite_DH> jmichaelx: no, i dont have mplayer
[06:35] <jmichaelx> Kite_DH: you need the mozilla mplayer plugin
[06:35] <Kite_DH> jmichaelx: ok wait
[06:35] <SlackRat> so where did Dj go?
[06:35] <Kite_DH> jmichaelx: ok, its installed
[06:36] <whiz2_> Does anyone know if a full hard drive would prevent me from being able to login to KDe?
[06:36] <whiz2_> KDE
[06:36] <jmichaelx> Kite_DH: try it again
[06:36] <snax> adydas__  all fields with the value of nv?  if all fields i'll use sed to do that
[06:36] <Kite_DH> jmichaelx: seccond please
[06:36] <snax> being  set 's/ nv / nvidia/'
[06:36] <adydas__> snax: just the drivers part
[06:36] <snax> oh drivers.
[06:36] <snax> ok
[06:36] <snax> thanx guys
[06:37] <SlackRat> well a completely full hard drive might be problematic......nix systems produce lgos and stuff, if its running out of room.......
[06:37] <Kite_DH> jmichaelx: it says that it plays, but theres no video, only audio
[06:37] <whiz2_> does anyone know how to find out how much free space is left on the linux system drive from a command line?
[06:37] <Kite_DH> jmichaelx: now
[06:37] <Kite_DH> jmichaelx: wow
[06:37] <jmichaelx> Kite_DH: hmm...
[06:37] <cpk1> iirc a user cant fill up a hard drive
[06:37] <adydas__> whiz2_: df
[06:37] <SlackRat> df
[06:37] <jmichaelx> Kite_DH: did you restart firefox?
[06:37] <SlackRat> diskfree
[06:37] <cpk1> whiz2_: df -h to get an output you can read easier
[06:37] <SlackRat> on command line
[06:38] <Kite_DH> jmichaelx: theres only video in fullscreen
[06:38] <whiz2_> oh boy... that's the issue
[06:38] <SlackRat> or kdiskfree under utilities
[06:38] <whiz2_> it's full... ty
[06:38] <jmichaelx> Kite_DH: hmm... well at least you have video now :-D
[06:38] <Kite_DH> jmichaelx: hmm :(
[06:38] <jmichaelx> Kite_DH: maybe if you reboot, it will be fixed, not sure
[06:39] <Kite_DH> jmichaelx: wait, im gonna reboot then
[06:39] <jmichaelx> ich weiss nur dass ich gleich ins bett gehn muss
[06:39] <jmichaelx> oops
[06:40] <khaije1> jmichaelx: so mplayer is superior to vlc in this regard?
[06:41] <jmichaelx> khaije1: for embedded video in firefox, definitely
[06:41] <piro> whiz2_: df -TH
[06:41] <jmichaelx> as a stand alone player, VLC is great, but not in FF
[06:41] <piro> whiz2_: df -Th
[06:41] <SlackRat> true
[06:41] <snax> say a prayer for me.
[06:41] <Kite_DH> jmichaelx: wth...everything is reseted
[06:41] <Kite_DH> jmichaelx: like...my visual style
[06:41] <khaije1> do you know if mplayer uses a different wmv codec than the other players?
[06:41] <jmichaelx> Kite_DH: i have no idea what would have effected all of tha
[06:41] <jmichaelx> that*
[06:42] <jmichaelx> khaije1: i don't think so
[06:42] <khaije1> jmichaelx: cool, i understand now
[06:42] <Kite_DH> jmichaelx: but i got video now lol
[06:42] <jmichaelx> it has been trickier to get embedded video working in edgy than it was in dapper. i am not sure why... but you CAN get it to work in edgy
[06:43] <Kite_DH> jmichaelx: where the fuck are my files gone??
[06:43] <jmichaelx> Kite_DH: AWESOME
[06:43] <jmichaelx> Kite_DH: i don't know, but installing mplayer will not lose your files :-P
[06:43] <cpk1> i have had 0 problems with embedded video
[06:44] <whiz2_> oh my i hope I haven't lost this drive...
[06:45] <jmichaelx> cpk1: i have kubuntu on 2 desktops and a laptop... the 2 desktops were horrible to get embedded video working... the laptop worked with no problem. i am still confused as to why the difference
[06:45] <SlackRat> delete as much old junk as you can afford
[06:45] <cpk1> whiz2_: iirc root should always reserve some space so a user cant fill it up so much its unusable
[06:45] <whiz2_> i told me to run dpkg --config -a
[06:45] <whiz2_> configure
[06:45] <whiz2_> what does that mean?
[06:45] <cpk1> it will configure any packages you have installed but havent finished configuring
[06:45] <whiz2_> oh
[06:45] <cpk1> ie uncompleted installations
[06:45] <jmichaelx> whiz2_: just do it....it will finish depackaging
[06:46] <whiz2_> could  that cause aproblem logging into KDE, or X if they are not configured?
[06:46] <SlackRat> it straightens out your apt utilities, you stopped something in the middle
[06:46] <whiz2_> I can't start either
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[06:46] <whiz2_> heh
[06:46] <jmichaelx> whiz2_: try it and see
[06:46] <whiz2_> I'm stil kinda new at this whole linux idea
[06:46] <Kite_DH> jmichaelx: thx, everythign is normaly again and i can play streams
[06:47] <SlackRat> you can run it from console before starting x up
[06:47] <jmichaelx> Kite_DH: awesome
[06:47] <whiz2_> a friendof mine has been helping me out remotely all day
[06:47] <Kite_DH> jmichaelx: only thing that is annoying is, that it doesnt have a volume control ...especially for pr0n
[06:47] <SlackRat> doncha just hate loud porn .....
[06:47] <jmichaelx> Kite_DH: yeah, you just have to use your volume control in your panel
[06:47] <whiz2_> lol
[06:48] <Kite_DH> SlackRat: indeed
[06:48] <whiz2_> it seems to be reorganizing everything on my hard drive.. stuff i already had configured
[06:48] <SlackRat> heh
[06:48] <jmichaelx> *does not condone pr0n
[06:48] <SolidSource> anyone try using Banshee? mine always stalls when loading audio
[06:48] <cpk1> dunno about firefox but in conquerer the xine/mplayer plugin has volume control
[06:48] <jmichaelx> cpk1: can you watch embedded video in konqueror?
[06:49] <crystufer2000> Yo. I finally got my grub set up the way I want it. Now how do I make it the default bootloader?
[06:49] <cpk1> jmichaelx: yup
[06:49] <whiz2_> so far i have succeeded with one computer
[06:49] <SlackRat> whats the current default bootloader
[06:49] <jmichaelx> cpk1: i have looked for documentation on how to accomplish that, and did not find anything
[06:49] <crystufer2000> ntldr
[06:50] <SlackRat> ick
[06:50] <crystufer2000> I know.
[06:50] <crystufer2000> I'm gonna set the timeout in windows to 0
[06:50] <SlackRat> xp on first partiton, ubuntu second?
[06:50] <jmichaelx> cpk1: i would use konqueror more if i could get flash and mplayer to work with it
[06:50] <crystufer2000> xp hd0,1
[06:50] <SlackRat> reinstall grub onto the mbr
[06:50] <cpk1> jmichaelx: configure konq > plugins click scan for new plugins
[06:50] <crystufer2000> ubuntu hd1,1
[06:50] <SlackRat> it will see windows , override and take over
[06:50] <jmichaelx> cpk1: will do right now
[06:50] <SlackRat> wait, two disks?
[06:50] <crystufer2000> Yep.
[06:51] <crystufer2000> Well, 3
[06:51] <SlackRat> ah, check with someon running two disks then, i dont
[06:51] <whiz2_> ok now to reboot the server to see if it will let me login
[06:51] <khaije1> konqueror still doesn't support google calandar among other things
[06:51] <whiz2_> Linux is fun
[06:51] <khaije1> it's better in some ways and worse in others
[06:51] <SlackRat> and tasty too!
[06:51] <whiz2_> why do you say that?
[06:52] <whiz2_> oh
[06:52] <SlackRat> who, say what?
[06:52] <whiz2_> nevermind
[06:52] <SlackRat> heh
[06:52] <Kite_DH> lawl
[06:52] <Kite_DH> xDD...why do you say that
[06:52] <whiz2_> i thought you were talking about Linux lol
[06:52] <Kite_DH> he was frustrated for a moment
[06:52] <piro> one thing: google knows everything and has access to a lot, i draw the line at a company knowing where I am anytime of the day :>
[06:52] <whiz2_> lol
[06:53] <whiz2_> google knows where you are 24/7?
[06:53] <SlackRat> yes, google is our puppetmaster
[06:53] <SlackRat> sigh
[06:53] <piro> follow into their plan with google calendar and I don't see why not
[06:53] <whiz2_> heh
[06:53] <whiz2_> i have google desktop installed on my laptop
[06:53] <piro> and metallica is the master of puppets, what does that say about our current state
[06:54] <SlackRat> no, thats just a song....google made them write it
[06:54] <whiz2_> grrr... KDE still throws me back to the login screen
[06:54] <SlackRat> they were preparing us subliminally for the takeover
[06:54] <ForgeAus> google desktop?
[06:54] <Kite_DH> SlackRat: when is feisty herd going to be released
[06:54] <jmichaelx> cpk1: thank you much...i have *some* embedded video working in konqueror now :-D
[06:54] <crystufer2000> join #grub
[06:54] <crystufer2000> ...
[06:54] <SlackRat> dunno, check the forums i saw some news today but didnt read the story
[06:54] <crystufer2000> sorry
[06:55] <crystufer2000> I forgot the /
[06:55] <whiz2_> Google desktop preinstalled on my Vista machine
[06:55] <Kite_DH> vista...
[06:55] <whiz2_> vista is pretty
[06:55] <ForgeAus> argh vista!
[06:55] <ForgeAus> pretty expensive yeah
[06:55] <SlackRat> it could break microsoft tho
[06:56] <ForgeAus> I think it will... in time
[06:56] <jmichaelx> you can make kubuntu prettier than vista
[06:56] <SlackRat> how many people are just gonna upgrade their system for it?
[06:56] <ForgeAus> jmichaelx you can make either as pretty as you want
[06:56] <ForgeAus> aesthetics aren't an issue really
[06:56] <jmichaelx> kubuntu+beryl=way prettier than vista
[06:56] <SlackRat> bleh, xgml and all the three d eye candy was out last year on linux
[06:56] <whiz2_> I bought the laptop, and it happened to have Vista preinstaled on it
[06:57] <whiz2_> pretty secure
[06:57] <SlackRat> now MS is gonna have a 'shell' and a real admin account
[06:57] <SlackRat> deja vu
[06:57] <whiz2_> lol
[06:57] <piro> w.e, i saw a black grey haired women today at office depot buy two copies of xp home, and I thought to myself *gag*
[06:57] <whiz2_> they don't have a shell login
[06:57] <whiz2_> but they do have an admin account
[06:57] <Kite_DH> true
[06:57] <SlackRat> theyre claiming they have a new shell
[06:57] <ForgeAus> powershell?
[06:57] <ForgeAus> (ala monad)
[06:57] <khaije1> aka gonad
[06:57] <Kite_DH> kubuntu can be much more prettier than vista
[06:57] <whiz2_> explorer.exe is still thier shell
[06:57] <SlackRat> not the command line thingy hidden in xp
[06:57] <ForgeAus> rofl kh
[06:58] <ForgeAus> thats their gui shell
[06:58] <crystufer2000> I use blackbox on windows.
[06:58] <SlackRat> command.exe or whatever it is
[06:58] <ForgeAus> crystufer? how?
[06:58] <SlackRat> i emulate debian on windows, runs faster
[06:58] <Jucato> !offtopic
[06:58] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:58] <ForgeAus> I didn't know there was blackbox for windows!
[06:58] <Jucato> (as pointed out by nixternal)
[06:58] <crystufer2000> bb4win
[06:58] <tarelerulz> How is blackbox on windows
[06:58] <nixternal> :)
[06:58] <jmichaelx> they are developing KDE for windows lol
[06:58] <tarelerulz> there are bunch of shells for windows
[06:58] <ForgeAus> slackrat? what emulator? vmware?
[06:58] <crystufer2000> www.bb4win.org (Get away from that stupid explorer.exe.
[06:58] <ForgeAus> colinux?
[06:59] <whiz2_> cmd.exe is the command line shell for vista
[06:59] <whiz2_> same as XP
[06:59] <ForgeAus> yes they are jmichaelX and for MacOSX
[06:59] <cpk1> thats not real shell =\
[06:59] <crystufer2000> what, bb4win?
[06:59] <crystufer2000> It's real!
[06:59] <ForgeAus> blackbox for windows
[06:59] <ForgeAus> apparently
[06:59] <ForgeAus> I kinda find Fluxbox/blackbox interesting
[07:00] <crystufer2000> It's so much prettier than explorer.
[07:00] <Kite_DH> i got a question that sounds stupid
[07:00] <cpk1> no cmd.exe isnt a real shell
[07:00] <Jucato> Please take this conversation to #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:00] <piro> does vista still have 4 x svchost.exe?
[07:00] <ForgeAus> has a professional kinda style to it, but not so configurable...
[07:00] <MobsterLobster> is there a way to retive my password
[07:00] <tarelerulz> have any of you used ndiswrapper ?
[07:00] <crystufer2000> Jucato: Kay. Sorry.
[07:00] <nixternal> tarelerulz: I use ndiswrapper
[07:00] <ForgeAus> I have ndiswrapper but havn't actually used it no
[07:00] <Kite_DH> do i have to worry about spyware, trojans, virus' or hackers on kubuntu 6.10???....
[07:00] <Kite_DH> i know this sounds stupid
[07:00] <ForgeAus> unless something's used it for me in the background or something
[07:00] <nixternal> Kite_DH: yes
[07:01] <nixternal> Kite_DH: j/k :)
[07:01] <cpk1> i've used ndiswrapper
[07:01] <cpk1> just ask your question
[07:01] <Kite_DH> nixternal: and why not?
[07:01] <Kite_DH> cpk1: i've asked it
[07:01] <Kite_DH> do i have to worry about spyware, trojans, virus' or hackers on kubuntu 6.10???....
[07:01] <nixternal> trojans not really, spyware not so, virus' they are there, hackers don't hack nothing unimportant
[07:01] <cpk1> Kite_DH: not you
[07:01] <MobsterLobster> how easy is it for a hacker to gain access to a *nix box?
[07:01] <tarelerulz> The reason I ask is I am trying to install it ,but having no luck
[07:01] <ForgeAus> Kite mostly not
[07:01] <ubuntu_> Kite_DH: because kubuntu rocks
[07:01] <cpk1> tarelerulz: its in the repos
[07:01] <ForgeAus> if you have ie under wine you might want to
[07:02] <ubuntu_> and it doesnt use that GNOME stuff that nixternal hates
[07:02] <crystufer2000> How do I get grub into my mbr?
[07:02] <ForgeAus> but otherwise linux is mostly virus/spyware-free
[07:02] <nixternal> heh
[07:02] <tarelerulz> thanks
[07:02] <SlackRat> its possible , but nix isnt usually as big a target for hacker exploits , and two, to activate many of those , root has to actually activate it, not just a user
[07:02] <whiz2_> "This APT has Supoer Cow powers!" nice...
[07:02] <ForgeAus> (even if users GET a virus it doesn't do much because the software doesn't have root permissions)
[07:02] <ChaosEddie> man nixternal people need to stop ghosting me
[07:02] <whiz2_> Super*
[07:02] <crystufer2000> cows?>
[07:02] <ForgeAus> supercow?
[07:02] <SlackRat> whiz2, know what that means?
[07:02] <whiz2_> hehe
[07:02] <Kite_DH> the only app i need in wine is adobe PS
[07:02] <Kite_DH> :)
[07:02] <whiz2_> not a clue
[07:03] <cpk1> tarelerulz: are you sure you need ndiswrapper?
[07:03] <ChaosEddie> this time is was RJ
[07:03] <SlackRat> sudo-apt get moo
[07:03] <MobsterLobster> i have heard Grub and vista dont get along. is this true? (dont bother having a go at vista, i dont use it either)
[07:03] <tarelerulz> I don't know CPk1
[07:03] <Jucato> !offtopic | SlackRat
[07:03] <ubotu> SlackRat: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:03] <tarelerulz> my wireless card dose not seem to work
[07:03] <whiz2_> cute
[07:04] <ForgeAus> rofl... have you been mood today?
[07:04] <tarelerulz> I was at the library
[07:04] <tarelerulz> and it did not connect
[07:04] <SlackRat> apt-get is offtopic???
[07:04] <whiz2_> I'm not installing any bootloader on my laptop
[07:04] <ForgeAus> btw its apt-get
[07:04] <Jucato> SlackRat: oops sorry
[07:04] <ForgeAus> Slackrat its kubuntu apt-get is NOT offtopic
[07:04] <Kite_DH> what can KDEToys do?
[07:04] <tarelerulz> I did the auto  the dcp or what ever it is called and nothing worked
[07:04] <cpk1> tarelerulz: lshw and find your card and find out what it says about the businfo
[07:04] <jmichaelx> i am disappointed that the last kernel that came down in the updates does not support my wireless card as well as the last one did :-(
[07:04] <whiz2_> well i'm having an issue...
[07:04] <Kite_DH> is it something like superkaramba?
[07:04] <ForgeAus> nothingm uch its mosly a clock and some kids game-like apps
[07:05] <ForgeAus> and prolly an X-eyes like thing
[07:05] <Jucato> Kite_DH: you can use the package manager to read a description
[07:05] <SlackRat> no problem, cow powers are on kubuntu
[07:05] <ForgeAus> (eyes that follow the mouse cursor)
[07:05] <SlackRat> heh
[07:05] <jmichaelx> i am still booting into 2.6.17-10
[07:05] <whiz2_> KDE keeps throwing meback out to the login screen whenever I enter my account name, and pasword
[07:05] <Kite_DH> ok jucato
[07:05] <cpk1> dhclient only works if they are serving ips
[07:05] <ForgeAus> in adept you can click on details and it tells you what packages it installs
[07:05] <ForgeAus> (or replaces or requires)
[07:05] <whiz2_> nice, but I can't get into adept if I can't get into KDE. :-p
[07:06] <ForgeAus> whiz run kdm as root
[07:06] <cpk1> whiz2_: just use aptitude
[07:06] <whiz2_> from a shell?
[07:06] <whiz2_> aptitude?
[07:06] <cpk1> to install stuff if you need to
[07:06] <Jucato> whiz2_: apt-get or aptitude are command line package managers
[07:06] <whiz2_> i'm trying to get to my KDE desktop
[07:07] <ForgeAus> wait your in kdm already
[07:07] <ForgeAus> thats the login screen
[07:07] <ForgeAus> it keeps booting you back to login screen hmmm...
[07:07] <ForgeAus> ok then do you have much room on ur HDD?
[07:07] <whiz2_> dunno
[07:07] <whiz2_> how do I find out?
[07:07] <MobsterLobster> is anybody using the Kubuntu for windows program?
[07:07] <ForgeAus> kubuntu for windows?
[07:07] <ForgeAus> what?
[07:08] <tarelerulz> so what am I looking for  on my card
[07:08] <Jucato> I think he means the FOSS apps for Windows on the Kubuntu Desktop CD
[07:08] <whiz2_> ForgeAus: i dunno how nmuch HDD space I have. how do I find out?
[07:08] <adydas> df -h
[07:09] <nixternal> Jucato: that .exe file that has been making it rounds on sounder and the wiki
[07:09] <MobsterLobster> there is a project to make Ubuntu for windows. it makes Ubuntu a exe that can have packages installed. from what i read it makes like a psedo partition. then if you dont like it you just uninstall it
[07:09] <ForgeAus> like scribe?
[07:09] <SlackRat> ls /
[07:09] <ForgeAus> sounds like PHATlinux to me
[07:09] <SlackRat> see whats there, and what you can remove
[07:09] <whiz2_> ok it says /dev/hda1 Size: 2.7g used 2.6g free: 0 usage 100% mounted on /
[07:09] <tarelerulz> that ubuntu.exe is  good idea ,but it did not work for me
[07:09] <adydas> then its full
[07:10] <Jucato> ah that one
[07:10] <Jucato> oh well...
[07:10] <SlackRat> whats it do, install kubuntu inside windows space?
[07:10] <tarelerulz> it is beta for big time the  note on it of the dev people and like one normal user
[07:10] <whiz2_> ok time to uninstal some un needed packages
[07:10] <adydas> Sure is :p
[07:10] <tarelerulz> It installs in the windows partitoin
[07:10] <cpk1> whiz2_: that is an incredibly small hdd... do you have a /home partition?
[07:11] <SlackRat> heh
[07:11] <MobsterLobster> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/install.exe/Prototype
[07:11] <adydas> must be a 10 year old hard drive
[07:11] <MobsterLobster> i found the site
[07:11] <tarelerulz> so what am I looking for on my card cpk1 the wireless card
[07:11] <ForgeAus> slackrat what did you mean debian emulator before?
[07:11] <Jucato> btw, it's not an official Kubuntu/Ubuntu project (yet?)
[07:12] <cpk1> tarelerulz: the businfo i suppose if oyu think it needs ndiswrapper
[07:12] <MobsterLobster> ok
[07:12] <ForgeAus> kubuntu.exe sounds much like vmware + kubuntu
[07:12] <MobsterLobster> i was wondering if anybody is/has used it. i cant touch linux for a few months but that just might let me
[07:13] <tarelerulz> this is what it says it is BCM4303 802.11b Wireless LAN Controller
[07:13] <rob__> hello
[07:13] <cpk1> tarelerulz: thats not the businfo and its a bcm43xx card UGH
[07:14] <whiz2_> i'm removing all of the games from the linux box
[07:14] <ForgeAus> hmmm XPressLinux?
[07:14] <tarelerulz> that is command my bad
[07:14] <whiz2_> heh
[07:14] <SlackRat> or like zipslack or puppy
[07:14] <cpk1> tarelerulz: ndiswrapper should work but you can also use native drivers if you read this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Edgy?highlight=%28WifiDocs%2FDriver%29
[07:14] <MobsterLobster> mmmm VMware that might be a good idea how uch ram will i need to have Kubuntu run smoothly on XP with VMware?
[07:14] <ForgeAus> never heard of puppy... yet
[07:14] <ForgeAus> dunno mobster...
[07:15] <rob__> umm i am really new to linux (moving away from windows) and i need an ide c++ programming tool, but don't really know a good one. I like dev, but don't know how to get it working in linux. can anyone give a helping hand?
[07:15] <whiz2_> i need a bigger HDD for my linux machine
[07:15] <ForgeAus> worked great for me but I got 1 gig ram and 3 gig processor
[07:15] <SlackRat> mini distro,  sort of based on deb, installs its home partition in windows
[07:15] <cpk1> kde has an ide programming tool i think
[07:15] <ForgeAus> zipslack caused so many segmentation faults on my PC
[07:15] <SlackRat> geany,anjuta, the kdevelop suite
[07:15] <ForgeAus> I gave up on it
[07:15] <SlackRat> yeah, i think its time is over, it s an old app
[07:15] <ForgeAus> it actually ran better in VMware than natively
[07:16] <SlackRat> heh. prolly would
[07:16] <whiz2_> wow removing the games freed up 50 MB lol
[07:16] <ForgeAus> but neither of them are debian emulators
[07:16] <rob__> geany?
[07:16] <SlackRat> now remove the pr0n
[07:16] <MobsterLobster> i have a 3.2 ghz CPU but only 386 ram. my vid card and ram are the same 512 stick
[07:16] <Kite_DH> is there any other stuff for KDEToys??
[07:16] <whiz2_> lol there is no pr0n
[07:16] <SlackRat> geany is a multi lang ide
[07:16] <Kite_DH> <_<
[07:16] <whiz2_> it's a tiny HDD
[07:16] <SlackRat> aha
[07:16] <whiz2_> 2.7GB
[07:17] <SlackRat> wow
[07:17] <rob__> friendly or more intermediate interface?
[07:17] <whiz2_> i need a bigger one
[07:17] <SlackRat> i thought 4GB on a work comp was small
[07:17] <MobsterLobster> the reason i cant just partition and install is because linux and my wireless card dont get along
[07:17] <SlackRat> pretty simple and plain
[07:17] <SlackRat> anjuta is specifically c and c++ i think
[07:17] <rob__> kool, so which one of those is the more prefered
[07:17] <SlackRat> and is in the repso
[07:18] <SlackRat> repos, but so is the kdev suite
[07:18] <SlackRat> try em out, to each his own
[07:18] <ForgeAus> xpress linux claims:
[07:18] <Kite_DH> ForgeAus: how can i install those themese from KDE-looks.org??
[07:18] <rob__> i think i already have the kdev if its kdevelop suite
[07:18] <ForgeAus>     * XPressLinux is based on Kubuntu and uses the KDE desktop.
[07:18] <ForgeAus>     * WINE is pre-installed, so you can run many Windows applications.
[07:18] <ForgeAus>     * VLC Media Player lets you play most common audio and video files.
[07:18] <ForgeAus>     * Firefox is the default web browser, for maximum compatibility.
[07:18] <ForgeAus>     * Your Windows drive is automatically mounted and the WINE file manager provides a familiar desktop.
[07:18] <ForgeAus> KDE? it looks lige Gnome to me
[07:18] <ForgeAus> "those themes?"
[07:18] <jmichaelx> does anyone in here know what the best way is to get a broadcom wireless adapter working in edgy? in daper it worked great using fwcutter and the native drivers....in edgy, not working well at all
[07:18] <SlackRat> tho, hardcore programmers tend to shy away from ides at the beginning
[07:18] <SlackRat> forms bad habits
[07:18] <ForgeAus> Kite, to be honset I have no clue
[07:18] <Kite_DH> ForgeAus: yes...there are themese for KDE 3.5- x
[07:19] <Kite_DH> ok
[07:19] <whiz2_> I'm stripping Kubuntu of all non-essential software
[07:19] <Jucato> ForgeAus: next time... pastebin
[07:19] <whiz2_> aptitude is my friend right now lol
[07:19] <SlackRat> careful whiz
[07:19] <SlackRat> heh
[07:19] <whiz2_> i've removed all the games, andmail
[07:20] <Jucato> what you might think is non-essential, might actually be essential under the hood
[07:20] <ForgeAus> Jucato for 5 lines?
[07:20] <Kite_DH> SlackRat: do you know how to install KDE themes?
[07:20] <Jucato> ForgeAus: for more than 2 lines
[07:20] <rob__> heh im only starting oo in c++, so there is no need to shy away form ide for me just yet
[07:20] <Jucato> specially something that isn't really support related
[07:20] <MobsterLobster> Jmicheaelx from my experience broadcom wireless and linux dont get along so just a heads up
[07:20] <SlackRat> usually i just install the theme package
[07:20] <SlackRat> and it shows up in kcontrol
[07:20] <Jucato> !changethemes | Kite_DH
[07:20] <ubotu> Kite_DH: [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[07:20] <piro> thanks for the reminder whiz, i got a new build last week and have yet to do that
[07:21] <jmichaelx> MobsterLobster: that is very true, but i had it working well in dapper...now it works, but disconnects off and on
[07:21] <whiz2_> i don't need anything for sound, cuz Kubuntu doesn't even support my sound hardware
[07:21] <SlackRat> a quiet kde is not always a bad thing
[07:22] <whiz2_> heh
[07:22] <whiz2_> mine is quiet, only because it doesn't recognize y sound hardware
[07:22] <crimsun> whiz2_: what sound card?
[07:22] <Jucato> although uninstalling arts might uninstall other KDE apps as well, as they depend on it when they were built
[07:22] <whiz2_> onboard crystal sound fusion
[07:22] <Jucato> ah! our resident sound expert :)
[07:22] <rob__> hmm don't know how to compile in kdev
[07:23] <crimsun> whiz2_: more specifically, please
[07:23] <whiz2_> that's all i can tell you unles I drop to the bios
[07:23] <crimsun> then drop to the bios, please
[07:23] <whiz2_> hang on. i can do that...
[07:23] <Kite_DH> Jucato: thank you
[07:23] <rob__> do i need to use make?
[07:24] <Jucato> rob__: the "build-essential" package will install the compiler and basic utilities you need to compile stuff
[07:24] <whiz2_> slow computer... one moment please...
[07:24] <Jucato> rob__: but if you need to compile graphical apps like KDE apps, you would need some other things
[07:25] <rob__> im so new to linux that i feel stupid because i don't know what you mean by "build-essential' package
[07:25] <adydas> rob__:  i think he means sudo apt-get install build-essential
[07:25] <Jucato> rob__: install "build-essential" from your package manager (apt-get or Adept)
[07:25] <Jucato> !build-essential | rob__
[07:25] <rob__> okay
[07:25] <ubotu> rob__: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[07:25] <whiz2_> ok the BIOS doesn't report the actual hardware name
[07:26] <whiz2_> but I remembered that windows reported Crystal sond fusion, and crystal sound audio, and it can emulate SB pro
[07:26] <whiz2_> sound*
[07:26] <crimsun> whiz2_: then I need either /full/ dmesg output or lspnp output
[07:26] <whiz2_> huh?
[07:26] <rob__> will take a look
[07:26] <Jucato> crimsun: or kinfocenter? :)
[07:27] <whiz2_> Kubuntu sees no sound hardware whatsoever
[07:27] <whiz2_> windows isn't installed as a 2nd OS
[07:27] <crimsun> whiz2_: it likely wouldn't, as you have isa sound hardware, which needs to be loaded manually.
[07:27] <Jucato> crimsun: I learned a new command from one of the aggregated blogs in Planet Ubuntu. lshw :)
[07:27] <whiz2_> I'm not worried about the sound. I'm worried about getting back into my desktop
[07:28] <crimsun> the fun part of course is figuring out whether it's snd-cs4231, snd-cs4232 or snd-cs4236
[07:28] <rob__> is it normal for kubuntu to keep probing /etc/vmware/vmnet1/dhcpd/dhcpd.conf everytime after doing an apt-get?
[07:28] <whiz2_> I have had Kubuntu on that PC for months without sound... why worry about it now?
[07:29] <whiz2_> All i want to use the Kubuntu PC for is a web server anyway
[07:29] <SlackRat> Forge, the emulator i was referring to was vmware
[07:29] <crystufer2000> Woot! Fixed my grub!
[07:29] <ubuntu> Hi, i have a problem, when i start up my computer and login it starts x then immediattly shuts it down, i even tried loggin in to another tty and doing "startx" but it did the same thing, i even reconfigured x, does anyone know how to fix this so i can boot up?
[07:29] <LaserJock> whiz2_: because other people with the same hardware might
[07:30] <LaserJock> whiz2_: and crimsun is the main guy taking care of sound in Ubuntu so he's interested in figuring it out
[07:30] <whiz2_> I'm more worried about gettinginto it, and uninstalling packages I don't need
[07:30] <whiz2_> ok can we get me logged in, and remove other stuff first?
[07:30] <SlackRat> go to a tty and run dmesg | more
[07:30] <whiz2_> then we have to reinstall sound software as i just removed it lol
[07:30] <whiz2_> ok
[07:30] <SlackRat> also try kde, or startkde from the terminal
[07:31] <piro> hey is there a source somewhere on how to get your programs into a repository ? a guide of some sort
[07:31] <adydas> Memory Jog, gui software firewall control
[07:31] <SlackRat> yes, a how to make a repo article , out there , somewhere
[07:31] <whiz2_> what amI looking for in dmesg?
[07:31] <SlackRat> if  anything is going wrong during boot up
[07:32] <SlackRat> and x starting etc
[07:32] <SlackRat> warnings
[07:32] <whiz2_> i'm running TTY from a remote login
[07:32] <ubuntu> Hi, i have a problem, when i start up my computer and login it starts x then immediattly shuts it down, i even tried loggin in to another tty and doing "startx" but it did the same thing, i even reconfigured x, does anyone know how to fix this so i can boot up?
[07:33] <SlackRat> ubuntu, same advice, look at dmesg | more, so you can scan it slowly, also try kde (kdm?) or startkde
[07:33] <whiz2_> err... might help if I enable the sound hardware in the bios... one moment rebooting again...
[07:33] <SlackRat> see what you get
[07:33] <SlackRat> sounds like an xconfig problem, ubuntu
[07:33] <ubuntu> so in a tty type in "dmesg | more" ?
[07:33] <whiz2_> lol
[07:33] <SlackRat> yeah
[07:33] <ubuntu> i reconfigured x
[07:34] <ubuntu> ill also try start kde,
[07:34] <whiz2_> i get kicked back out to the bios lol
[07:34] <whiz2_> or to the curb...
[07:34] <SlackRat> you may have made a mistake and have to try again, see what the dmesg says which is a record of your boot process
[07:34] <ubuntu> no, im positive i reconfig'ed right
[07:34] <ubuntu> done it a million times
[07:34] <ubuntu> but ill try that, brb
[07:34] <SlackRat> cant find x server, x already running warnings?
[07:34] <whiz2_> well since I've cleared 52MB of space on my HDD i have yet to try loggin into the desktop
[07:35] <whiz2_> Imay give it a shot now
[07:35] <whiz2_> sound hardware enabled... reboot in progress...
[07:36] <SlackRat> brb
[07:36] <whiz2_> if it helps to know... the Kubuntu PC is a slow 400 megahertz computer with onboard sound
[07:36] <whiz2_> e-machines
[07:36] <whiz2_> POS
[07:37] <whiz2_> hehe
[07:37] <Skuller> hey guys....i was checking out drivers for my apc UPS in synaptic...i found three packages worth considering....one is a daemon, other is the 'main' software " Power managemnt and the last one is a CGI for it...which ones should i install?
[07:38] <whiz2_> I didn't know you could use an APC on a Linux PC
[07:38] <SlackRat> google them and see what the word is on them, then try one
[07:38] <Skuller> hmm...ok
[07:38] <SlackRat> you know your system specs better than us
[07:39] <akrus> how to kill the process if kill -SIGKILL does not help? :x
[07:39] <SlackRat> ksysguard
[07:39] <whiz2_> in dmesg what exactly am I looking for?
[07:39] <whiz2_> is this for sound, or is this to troubleshoot my login?
[07:40] <SlackRat> did it not boot into kde?
[07:40] <SlackRat> x warnings atm
[07:40] <whiz2_> trying now
[07:40] <whiz2_> My desktop seems to be logging in now
[07:40] <SlackRat> xserver problems, maybe you ll see a sound card warning as well
[07:40] <SlackRat> probably
[07:40] <akrus> SlackRat: not killing anyway x_X
[07:41] <SlackRat> cant kill the runaway with sysguard either? its just spawning more?
[07:41] <akrus> it's just not killing :)
[07:41] <whiz2_> ok I have a couple errors
[07:41] <akrus> with any of signals lol
[07:41] <SlackRat> reboot......start again
[07:41] <akrus> SIGKILL, SIGTERM, SIGQUIT
[07:41] <akrus> x_X
[07:41] <SlackRat> check to see its stopped
[07:41] <akrus> </3 rebooting
[07:41] <akrus> it'll be lol
[07:41] <akrus> i've started it :)
[07:41] <akrus> it's vmware
[07:42] <SlackRat> yeah, can you kill it?
[07:42] <akrus> but it hanged and i had to close it... window closed, but the process is still here
[07:42] <akrus> i can't :)
[07:42] <SlackRat> reboot
[07:42] <SlackRat> or reset in vm language
[07:42] <akrus> :)
[07:42] <akrus> 6881 ?        D<s   27:41 /usr/lib/vmware/bin-debug/vmware-vmx
[07:43] <akrus> anyway have to reboot i think :(
[07:43] <akrus> brb
[07:43] <whiz2_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6520/ <-- those are the errors
[07:43] <SlackRat> yeah, best process kill when all else fails
[07:44] <whiz2_> oh wow says it detected my sound card... PnP soundcard
[07:44] <SlackRat> hmn, no idea what the devices are....did ou get into kde?
[07:44] <Skuller> hey guys..i dont understand much after reading thru in google about 'apcd', 'apcupsd' & 'apcups-cgi'....i just need the simple driver to get my UPS workin properly so it can shutdown my PC itself incase of a power failure
[07:45] <SlackRat> looks like the sound card warnings
[07:45] <tarelerulz> the native driver config did not work
[07:45] <tarelerulz> it said one of the files was to old or new
[07:45] <whiz2_> I do have a sound card installed as well, but off hand can't remember whenther it's PCI, or ISA
[07:45] <snax> hi
[07:46] <rob__> i don't understand why the terminal says i dont have ./configure directory
[07:46] <SlackRat> dmesg gives pci warnings
[07:46] <SlackRat> are you in the kde gui?
[07:46] <whiz2_> ok
[07:46] <snax> i just installed kubuntu alternate cd.  i have a PCI nvidia card.  when booting i can see the kubuntu logo and the progress bar.
[07:46] <snax> but after that my screen is black.
[07:46] <rob__> i tried in both the kde and konsole
[07:46] <whiz2_> yes I am, but I'm using TTY service froma remote computer for dmesg
[07:46] <SlackRat> why are you using the alt cd?
[07:46] <snax> but knoppix can boot fine.
[07:47] <SlackRat> so kde is back now.....you can work on cleaaring more space and trying to configure the sound after that
[07:47] <whiz2_> yup
[07:47] <crystufer2000> How cum I can't enter the directory where my other drive is mounted?
[07:47] <SlackRat> prolly cause it was a xconfig problem, not a monitor problem
[07:48] <SlackRat> cry, did you try mounting as root via sudo?
[07:48] <rob__> where is the ./configure directory usually located?
[07:48] <crystufer2000> No. Why, should I?
[07:48] <snax> is there a way i can do ---->  apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common linux-source-2.6.17 from the live cd but have changes take place to the installation on hard drive ?
[07:49] <whiz2_> whilei'm loggedin, can you tell me how to make it so that a specific program starts whenever I turn on the computer? (I want it to run without me having to login, and I want it to run as my user)
[07:49] <SlackRat> its mounted  already?
[07:49] <SlackRat> what filesystem?
[07:49] <crystufer2000> ntfs
[07:49] <crystufer2000> I have to be root to get into.
[07:49] <SlackRat> ntfs is a pita
[07:49] <crystufer2000> the folder, but I can see everything fine once in.
[07:50] <crystufer2000> A what now?
[07:50] <SlackRat> use nvidia drivers from the nvidia site, not the repos
[07:50] <SlackRat> theyre usually dummy pkgs
[07:50] <SlackRat> nvidia is proprietary
[07:51] <snax> well i dont get a picture in the first place?
[07:51] <snax> im in knoppix right now.
[07:51] <ubuntu> i tried dmesg|more and got no errors and startkde returned "can't connect kdeinit"
[07:51] <SlackRat> you ll install it via terminal without x, after you read the nvidia docs
[07:51] <SlackRat> try just 'kde'
[07:51] <SlackRat> or 'kdm'
[07:51] <snax> ok, well how can i get into the terminal if my entire screen is black ?
[07:51] <ubuntu> i did kdm
[07:52] <ubuntu> i was gunna but a new HD tommrow anyway, this 9gb isnt cutting it anymore
[07:52] <crystufer2000> alt f1 sometimes. Usually that means youre duffed. Snax
[07:52] <ubuntu> how do i mount a hd on this live CD so i can backup
[07:52] <snax> crystufer2000: thanx.  i'll try alt F1
[07:52] <SlackRat> ah, not a good idea to install a driver from a live cd and install over it
[07:52] <snax>  but what does duffed mean?
[07:52] <snax> as in screwed ???
[07:52] <crystufer2000> snax good luck
[07:52] <SlackRat> i think so
[07:53] <crystufer2000> snax yeah
[07:53] <snax> aww. but how does knoppix work
[07:53] <crystufer2000> snax pixies.
[07:53] <SlackRat> off a cd
[07:53] <SlackRat> or ram if you have enough
[07:53] <crystufer2000> cd pixies
[07:53] <ubuntu> how do i mount a harddrive
[07:53] <snax> yea so what does the boot device have anyting to do wit it
[07:53] <SlackRat> or pixies if you know black magic
[07:53] <SlackRat> its booting the kernel on the cd
[07:53] <crystufer2000> mwahahahahaha
[07:54] <SlackRat> heh
[07:54] <snax> yea and i installed the kernel on the hard drive
[07:54] <rob__> this doesnt make any sense to me at all. i am looking in the usr/local directory, but there is no directory or file called configure
[07:54] <adydas> mount
[07:54] <crystufer2000> Black Mage Linux!!!!
[07:54] <SlackRat> you installed what kernel on the hard drive?
[07:54] <snax> what ever come with kubuntu.
[07:54] <crystufer2000> hehe
[07:54] <whiz2_> do I need cups if I'm not sharing a printer?
[07:54] <snax> i downloaded the latest kubuntu
[07:54] <crystufer2000> several.
[07:54] <snax> oh.  perhalps i'll update it.
[07:54] <cpk1> snax: ctrl alt f1 will get you to tty1
[07:54] <SlackRat> and youre running it live?
[07:55] <snax> thanx.  i
[07:55] <SlackRat> so nothing is installed till you install it
[07:55] <snax> i'll update from there
[07:55] <SlackRat> running a live cd installs nothing
[07:55] <snax> cpk1: thats what im supposed to do from there right?  from tty1 that is.
[07:55] <SlackRat> till you use the installer after it boots into a gui
[07:56] <whiz2_> SlackRat: do I need cups if I do not have a printer attached to the kubuntu PC?
[07:56] <SlackRat> neah
[07:56] <whiz2_> ok
[07:56] <SlackRat> but someone will probably ask you to hook up your computer to their printer the day after you remove cups, lol
[07:56] <SlackRat> murphy's law
[07:57] <cpk1> snax: I have no clue what you need done, but you wanted to know how to ge to tty1 so i told you
[07:57] <crystufer2000> grr. pastebin!
[07:57] <crystufer2000> !pastebin
[07:57] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:58] <whiz2_> and I guess I can get rid of DVD-RW tools since I don't have  DVD drive, or even a CD burner installed (Only a CD-ROM)
[07:58] <hagabaka> apt-index-watcher runs and uses up all CPU every few seconds, and it doesn't print anything in syslog even though it's run with --syslog. anyon know what's the problem?
[07:59] <crystufer2000> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/884169
[07:59] <crystufer2000> There. That's my fstab.
[07:59] <rob__> why does kubuntu insist on probing my network everytime i do an apt-get install <package>
[08:00] <crystufer2000> Someone tell me how to make it so  my hda1 and hdb1 are accesible to all users?
[08:01] <cpk1> rob__: because it uses the intranets?
[08:01] <rob__> where did this vmware services come from anyway? im not even using windows
[08:01] <hagabaka> didn't you install it?
[08:01] <hagabaka> it's not installed by default
[08:01] <crystufer2000> Help me with my fstab anyone?
[08:01] <rob__> not that i remember. i just installed kubuntu with default settings
[08:02] <crystufer2000> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/884169
[08:02] <whiz2_> do I need open office.ord stuff?
[08:02] <whiz2_> org*
[08:02] <cpk1> whiz2_: you tell us
[08:02] <ubuntu> hi, im on a live cd....i mounted my harddrive and my "desktop" folder is locked, how can i view folder this?
[08:02] <whiz2_> what is openofice.org?
[08:02] <whiz2_> if it's like MS-OFFice, then no
[08:02] <cpk1> its a microsoft office clone
[08:02] <whiz2_> no
[08:02] <SlackRat> An error occurred while loading http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/884169:
[08:02] <hagabaka> it's not a clone
[08:03] <adydas__> !firewall
[08:03] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[08:03] <rob__> its an open source office sorta like ms office?
[08:03] <crystufer2000> !fstab
[08:03] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[08:03] <ismail> hi all
[08:03] <Jucato> !openoffice
[08:03] <ubotu> a free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org". User help available in #users.openoffice.org
[08:03] <Jucato> whiz2_: ^^^
[08:04] <rob__> how to remove this vmware thingy
[08:04] <SlackRat> good to have since it can produce docs windoze users can read, it has an xp format option
[08:04] <SlackRat> among others
[08:04] <rob__> or is it required for the system?
[08:04] <Jucato> rob__: what vmware thingy? vmware isn't required unless you want to run vmware :)
[08:05] <SlackRat> vmware where runnin what??
[08:05] <hagabaka> did you install kubuntu yourself? did you have anything on it before installing it?
[08:05] <rob__> i don't know. it keeps probing my net everytime after i do apt-get and complains about vmware and vmware-player
[08:05] <adydas__> how do you edit the ubuntu software firewall
[08:05] <whiz2_> now i'm removing all this stuff... once it's gone, that should free up a tremendous amount of disk space, then we can work on the sound. ;-)
[08:05] <SlackRat> youre running vmware on kubuntu/
[08:06] <fudgey> hey guys I have a bad proble
[08:06] <fudgey> problem
[08:06] <hagabaka> you can just apt-get remove them then
[08:06] <fudgey> I cant use sudo cuz it says invalid timestamp
[08:06] <cpk1> adydas__: iptables?
[08:06] <fudgey> and I cant change the timestamp
[08:06] <adydas__> not by me, nothing by default?
[08:06] <SlackRat> problem a skewed vmware network
[08:06] <cpk1> adydas__: huh?
[08:06] <Jucato> !timestamp
[08:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about timestamp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:06] <SlackRat> remove vmware and try the package from the vmware site and see if that runs better
[08:06] <Jucato> bah..
[08:06] <rob__> it complains about unable to lock admin directory when i do apt-get remove
[08:06] <fudgey> =/
[08:07] <SlackRat> had lots of problems with vmware on kubuntu
[08:07] <fudgey> I cant change the time cuz im not root
[08:07] <cpk1> rob__: try sudo aptitude remove vmware
[08:07] <fudgey> and I cant access root cuz I cant change the password
[08:07] <SlackRat> fudgey             sudo -K
[08:07] <fudgey> cap K?
[08:07] <Jucato> ype
[08:07] <fudgey> aw crap know wonder
[08:07] <SlackRat> kills the timestamp thats stoopping you
[08:07] <Jucato> yep
[08:07] <rob__> i shouldnt need to do sudo since im in root mode already right?
[08:08] <fudgey> awesome
[08:08] <SlackRat> what root mode?
[08:08] <fudgey> thanks
[08:08] <SlackRat> np
[08:08] <cpk1> rob__: correct
[08:08] <rob__> well im using the root shell
[08:08] <SlackRat> it will usually happen when you fix your clock
[08:08] <SlackRat> from a wrong time
[08:08] <cpk1> rob__: you dont really need to be logged in as root though
[08:08] <fudgey> doesnt work
[08:08] <fudgey> timestamp too far in the future
[08:08] <SlackRat> try not to remain root after you finish what youre doing as root
[08:09] <SlackRat> yup, common problem, check the forums
[08:09] <fudgey> aw
[08:09] <SlackRat> and google.....happens alot
[08:09] <fudgey> that sucks
[08:09] <rob__> oh well appearantly apt and aptitude isnt the same
[08:09] <fudgey> cuz if you dont have internet access
[08:09] <fudgey> you cant sync with the time
[08:09] <cpk1> rob__: you mean apt-get and aptitude since they both use apt =)
[08:09] <fudgey> so basicly ubuntu doesnt work without internet
[08:09] <rob__> but it had xome complaints during the removal
[08:10] <SlackRat> aptitude came first iirc, and apt get developed from it
[08:10] <Jucato> er?
[08:10] <whiz2_> uinstalling all this stuff takes forever
[08:10] <rob__> Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/) is what i get as a complaint
[08:10] <SlackRat> the timestamp is a pita , when you dual boot ......
[08:10] <SlackRat> and the two systems try to take control of your clock
[08:10] <cpk1> !aptfix
[08:10] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[08:10] <cpk1> rob__: do that command
[08:11] <rob__> go ahead and kill process?
[08:11] <SlackRat> sometimes it helps to reboot after the sudo  -K timestamp kill if it doesnt seem to work right away
[08:11] <rob__> 9423
[08:11] <donald> can somebody help me with two things? installing firefox on kubuntu dapper and installing my conexant modem...
[08:12] <rob__> cant you just apt-get install firefox
[08:12] <SlackRat> what wont die, rob.....?
[08:12] <donald> yes, rob
[08:12] <jarn> When I click Log Off from the K Menu, the dialog sometimes doesn't come up.
[08:12] <whiz2_> adept didn't crash on me
[08:12] <whiz2_> just a slow PC
[08:12] <SlackRat> adept is slow too
[08:12] <donald> i am installing it through the adept package manager, and it doesnt show up under Internet
[08:12] <rob__> haha i killed the process and it sets up vmware again
[08:13] <fudgey> you know what!! fuck sudo
[08:13] <whiz2_> rebooting the Kubuntu PC again
[08:13] <piro> any samba experts around who arent busy?
[08:13] <jarn> donald: Alt+F2 and type in firefox
[08:13] <skullersab> hey guys....its me Skuller...how come sum1 by the name of Skuller is already here?...i just rebooted my computer and before i was logged in as Skuller...what do i do?
[08:13] <SlackRat> remove vmware, try with the latest version from the vmplayer site and see how that runs
[08:13] <crystufer2000> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/884169
[08:13] <crystufer2000> What am I doing wrong?
[08:13] <rob__> is vmplayer necessary?
[08:14] <fudgey> no goddamn commands I can use to change the sudo timestamp cuz I cant access root
[08:14] <Jucato> vmware player is only necessary if you want to use vmware player. otherwise, no
[08:14] <Jucato> fudgey: try rebooting?
[08:14] <whiz2_> i think if Kubyuntu sees a PCI soundcard in my system then it is the actual card... not the onbaord
[08:14] <fudgey> I just did and this came up
[08:14] <SlackRat> it hasnt dumped you yet......try /Nick 'new nickname' but you may have to go into NIckServ and kill the ghost
[08:14] <rob__> i would like to just rid of it then somehow
[08:14] <SlackRat> try just changing the Nick...........
[08:14] <fudgey> gdm wount start cuz of something
[08:14] <SlackRat> back to what it was
[08:14] <whiz2_> is our resident sound man still here?
[08:15] <fudgey> I have to modify the xserver
[08:15] <fudgey> but to do so I need sudo
[08:15] <whiz2_> if our resident sound man is still here, I'm ready to try working on the sound
[08:15] <rob__> so i take it removing vmware still leaves the vmware-player
[08:15] <SlackRat>  i would remove all of it and start fresh
[08:16] <rob__> i should just go back to ubuntu
[08:16] <SlackRat> did you get vmplayer from the repos?
[08:16] <Jucato> rob__: er. vmware-player is the package name for vmware.
[08:16] <Jucato> for the VMWare Player in the repositories
[08:16] <Jucato> rob__: Kubuntu has absolutely nothing to do with VMWare
[08:16] <rob__> i don't know. after installing the openoffice i had vmware
[08:16] <ForgeAus> whats maemo?
[08:16] <crystufer2000> bash: cd: /media/100gb: Permission denied
[08:16] <crystufer2000> ?
[08:16] <Jucato> ForgeAus: Google? :D
[08:16] <whiz2_> ok I freed up over 300 MB now
[08:16] <SlackRat> i had no luck with the repo version of vmplayer
[08:16] <Skuller> yay..woot..i killed the ghost and m bak again
[08:16] <SlackRat> told you
[08:16] <whiz2_> I'm ready to work on the sound. ;-)
[08:17] <Skuller> SlackRat: thnx man
[08:17] <SlackRat> np
[08:17] <ForgeAus> http://www.maemo-apps.org
[08:17] <rob__> there was no vmware on here until i did a apt-get openoffice or something like that
[08:17] <fudgey> crystufer2000 sudo
[08:17] <ubuntu> hi, i mountef my HD and one of my folders is locked, how can i get into this folder?
[08:17] <SlackRat> vmware doesnt just appear from open office
[08:17] <Jucato> crystufer2000: you put /mnt/100gb in your fstab. but "bash: cd: /media/100gb: Permission denied" <--- /media
[08:17] <whiz2_> SlackRat: where is the resident sound man?
[08:17] <SlackRat> you know where the tools are now.....
[08:18] <Jucato> rob__: openoffice doesn't need vmware either. it has to be installed by you for it to be added. there's no package that installs it
[08:18] <SlackRat> check them now
[08:18] <rob__> could have been something after that becuase it installed alot of other things thereafter openoffice. like i also suddenly got vlc and mplayer as well
[08:18] <dettoaltrimenti_> is there a package that gives you permission to delete files in an ntfs partition?
[08:18] <crystufer2000> jucato I'm trying it under /media/100gb cuz I thought it might be that I didn't have permision to go to /mnt/100gb
[08:18] <whiz2_> Jucato: was it you asking about my sound?
[08:18] <Jucato> whiz2_: nope
[08:18] <Jucato> whiz2_: it was crimsun, iirc
[08:18] <Jucato> !ntfs | crystufer2000
[08:18] <ubotu> crystufer2000: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[08:18] <fudgey> aw shit
[08:18] <ForgeAus> ahh looks like some kinda mobie gui or something
[08:19] <ForgeAus> nokia tablets?
[08:19] <ubuntu> how can i open a folder from a terminal/
[08:19] <fudgey> nobody ever had this problem b4
[08:19] <fudgey> aw fuck ubuntu then
[08:19] <whiz2_> crimsum you still there?
[08:19] <ubuntu> like acctually have it open in a window
[08:19] <Jucato> ForgeAus: 770 and 880
[08:19] <rob__> it seems vmware is going into a continuous loop after trying to aptitude remove it
[08:19] <whiz2_> guess not
[08:19] <crystufer2000> jucato, thanks. I'll read that stuff
[08:20] <ubuntu> Jucato: do you know how to make a folder open up (like a gui folder) from a terminal?
[08:20] <Jucato> crystufer2000: basically, you normally don't have read access to NTFS partitions. but you can set that up to allow a regular user to have read access. but you can't have normal write access w/o damaging your system
[08:20] <whiz2_> guess I can work on the sound another timje
[08:21] <whiz2_> time*
[08:21] <Jucato> ubuntu: "kfmclient /folder" or "konqueror /folder"
[08:21] <ubuntu> thank you
[08:21] <ForgeAus> hehe can I emulate a TabletPC on desktop?
[08:21] <dettoaltrimenti_> does ntfs-3g give permission to delete files in an ntfs partition?
[08:21] <Jucato> ForgeAus: dunno.. Google? :D
[08:21] <Jucato> !ntfs-3g | dettoaltrimenti_
[08:21] <ubotu> dettoaltrimenti_: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[08:21] <Jucato> it does, but still BETA
[08:21] <whiz2_> how do i get a program to run when Kubuntu boots? (Before any user actually logs in0 and still run it as a user
[08:21] <dettoaltrimenti_> hmm.... ok
[08:21] <whiz2_> >?
[08:21] <Jucato> although the latest stable Linux kernel version (2.6.20) seem to have NTFS read/write built-in now
[08:22] <ForgeAus> add it to your boot script? wherever the boot script is I guess
[08:22] <ForgeAus> (or does KDE have likea  windows startup folder?
[08:22] <Jucato> ForgeAus: http://www.maemo.org/faq/faq.html
[08:22] <ninHer> g'day all
[08:22] <samalex> hi everyone.  okay, i'm pulling my hair out on this one.  I'm unable to get AMarok to play Mp3s.   Clicking Install mp3 Support does nothing, I've installed libxine-extracodecs and all the other codecs suggested on the ubuntuguide website, even upgraded to 1.4.5 at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.5.php but still no go.
[08:22] <Jucato> !autostart | ForgeAus
[08:22] <ubotu> ForgeAus: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[08:22] <ubuntu> Jucato: konqueror: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[08:22] <whiz2_> I want it to start up before i login to KDE
[08:22] <whiz2_> like the TTY service does
[08:22] <Jucato> ubuntu: you're not trying to launch it from a root terminal are you?
[08:22] <ubuntu> i have to
[08:22] <ubuntu> the folder is locked
[08:23] <ubuntu> and thats the only way i can open it
[08:23] <rob__> gues ill try to update my apt
[08:23] <ubuntu> unless you knwo of another
[08:23] <Jucato> ubuntu: kdesu konqueror
[08:23] <ForgeAus> whiz wherever the boot script is, thats the place to put it, but I don't know hwere to look
[08:23] <ubuntu> oh all knowing Jucato
[08:23] <Jucato> ubuntu: that will launch konqueror as root. be careful
[08:23] <ForgeAus> its is a console app right?
[08:23] <gay_21> hello
[08:23] <whiz2_> i have a web server that runs when the computer starts
[08:23] <Jucato> hi
[08:23] <ForgeAus> nice autostart! I'll chekc that out
[08:23] <ForgeAus> do you just put symbolic link files in there?
[08:24] <whiz2_> I can access that without logging in as my user
[08:24] <Jucato> ForgeAus: autostart stuff only runs after logging in as a user
[08:24] <ismail> guys how do i make a program run automaticaly on startup in kubuntu?
[08:24] <ubuntu> jucato: im just going to do that then move the folder i need
[08:24] <Jucato> ForgeAus: yep
[08:24] <ubuntu> Jucato: like this "kdesu konqueror /Desktop"
[08:24] <Jucato> !autostart | ismail
[08:24] <ubotu> ismail: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[08:24] <Jucato> ubuntu: you don't need to specify a folder if you run "kdesu konqueror"
[08:24] <ubuntu> oh ok
[08:24] <rob__> this is quite frustrating getting c++ on kubuntu
[08:24] <Jucato> rob__: huh?
[08:24] <ForgeAus> ok is there a quick and easy way of making symbolic links? the command line looked a bit complex
[08:25] <fudgey> I take that back
[08:25] <ubuntu> Jucato: kdesu: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[08:25] <Jucato> ForgeAus: using Konqueror?
[08:25] <ForgeAus> last time I needed one I just used krusader and "copied" as a link
[08:25] <Jucato> ubuntu: get out of that root prompt
[08:25] <SlackRat> kde is built on c++
[08:25] <rob__> i cant locate the configure folder and system complains about it not being located
[08:25] <fudgey> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/43233/+viewstatus shows that its a problem
[08:25] <ubuntu> oh ok
[08:25] <ForgeAus> how do you do it in konqueror?
[08:25] <Jucato> ForgeAus: you can do it 2 ways
[08:25] <fudgey> LOL the problem I gto is uncurable!
[08:25] <whiz2_> cool thing is I can already load my KDE desktop from a remote computer
[08:25] <fudgey> thus not possible to get my system to work
[08:26] <Jucato> ForgeAus: right-click in ~/.kde/Autostart/ and Create New -> Link to Application or Link to Loacation (URL)
[08:26] <ForgeAus> Jucato, which two ways?
[08:26] <crystufer2000> woot. thanks, jucato. ro,auto,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000 will solve my problem
[08:26] <Jucato> fudgey: I've had that problem before, but a plain reboot cured it
[08:26] <ubuntu> Jucato: thank you very muck
[08:26] <ubuntu> much*
[08:26] <fudgey> =/
[08:26] <Jucato> ForgeAus: I gave the 1st one
[08:26] <fudgey> il try again then
[08:26] <ForgeAus> right click create new link?
[08:26] <fudgey> better work!
[08:26] <fudgey> cuz im on an imac
[08:26] <Jucato> fudgey: good luck
[08:26] <Jucato> crystufer2000: nice
[08:26] <fudgey> thanks
[08:26] <Jucato> ubuntu: you're welcome very much
[08:26] <Jucato> ugh!! I'm being flooded :P
[08:26] <ForgeAus> and way 2?
[08:26] <SlackRat> told you it was a documented bug
[08:26] <ForgeAus> heeh its ok
[08:26] <ForgeAus> I can wait
[08:27] <rob__> well the site is telling me to do the ./configure first, and it seems there is no ./configure directory of rile
[08:27] <rob__> file*
[08:27] <Jucato> ForgeAus: the second one is to open 2 konqi's or split konqueror view. set one view to ~/.kde/Autostart/ and the other one to /usr/bin. drag and drop -> select Link here
[08:27] <Jucato> ForgeAus: notably, this method 2 is similar to right-click Create New -> Link to location (URL)
[08:27] <ForgeAus> ok nicer that way
[08:27] <ForgeAus> (I had trouble using method 1 when I tried linking a folder)
[08:28] <Jucato> ForgeAus: Create New -> Link to Application creates a .desktop file. Link to Location (URL) creates a symlink
[08:28] <SlackRat> rob what r u doing now?
[08:28] <Jucato> rob__: you have to be in the directory where the configure script is located
[08:28] <rob__> i browsed there and could not find it
[08:28] <SlackRat> cd  /path/directory
[08:28] <dettoaltrimenti_> what's the terminal web browser?
[08:28] <rob__> says usually located at usr/local right?
[08:28] <Jucato> rob__: no
[08:29] <rob__> thats what the site says
[08:29] <Jucato> rob__: the configure script will be located in the source directory of the program you are trying to compile
[08:29] <Jucato> rob__: which site?
[08:29] <Jucato> dettoaltrimenti_: the what?
[08:29] <SlackRat> thats where it will install, where is it downloaded atm?
[08:29] <rob__> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware#head-477e153e9ef5a246d087577ea46a03afa66d32ca
[08:29] <Jucato> dettoaltrimenti_: oh. w3m, links2, elinks
[08:29] <Jucato> rob__: ok let me check what you're referring to
[08:30] <rob__> says by default its usually located there
[08:30] <SlackRat> i asked you, what are  you doing?
[08:30] <SlackRat> rob?
[08:31] <Jucato> rob__: "For example, by default the configure *script *installs to /usr/local.**"
[08:31] <rob__> yes
[08:31] <whiz2_> i wonder where 2.6GB of hard drive space disapeared to... kubuntu itself can't be taking up THAT much space...
[08:31] <SlackRat> did he download a src pkg to install?
[08:31] <Jucato> rob__: it doesn't mean that the configure script is in /usr/local
[08:31] <Jucato> rob__: have you downloaded the source package of what you want to install?
[08:31] <rob__> so it should be in the folder where i saved the cpp?
[08:32] <SlackRat> check /home
[08:32] <rob__> i just did the apt-get build-essential
[08:32] <SlackRat> see if theres a pkg there
[08:32] <Jucato> rob__: configure is a script that will create a Makefile, which instructs the system where to install the thing you are trying to install
[08:32] <whiz2_> anyone have an idea of how much HDD space a standsard kubuntu install takes up? (Not edgy)
[08:32] <rob__> nope just my home dir
[08:32] <jarn> When I click Log Off from the K Menu, the dialog sometimes doesn't come up.
[08:32] <Jucato> rob__: "build-essential" just installs the programs/tools that you would need in compiling. like the C++ compiler
[08:32] <Kite_DH> is there a screenrecording program for kubuntu?
[08:33] <rob__> i have never used the configure script before
[08:33] <Jucato> rob__: you still have to download the source code for what you are trying to compile.
[08:33] <Jucato> rob__: it's a Linux thing
[08:33] <SlackRat> and know where it downloads to
[08:33] <rob__> so what package do i need for c++
[08:33] <Jucato> ./configure, make, and make install are Linux processes in compiling software
[08:33] <SlackRat> and  extract it from the tar pkg
[08:33] <Jucato> rob__: just plain C++?
[08:33] <rob__> yes
[08:34] <Jucato> rob__: you already installed it with build-essential. GCC is the compiler. g++ is the command to compile C++ source code
[08:34] <rob__> its for school so as long as i can compile c++ console it should work
[08:34] <rob__> i have g++
[08:34] <Jucato> rob__: configure, make and make install are just needed for compiling "big" apps
[08:34] <rob__> i have both gcc and g++ already
[08:35] <Jucato> rob__: hm... does your school use Linux for these C++ things?
[08:35] <SlackRat> then you can compile
[08:35] <rob__> we use solaris so yes
[08:35] <whiz2_> anone know where I can find the boot script?
[08:35] <SlackRat> c and c++
[08:35] <Jucato> rob__: because afaik, C++ compiled on Linux won't run on other OS's
[08:35] <Jucato> hm.. not familiar with Solarish
[08:35] <ForgeAus> awesome maemo has an LCARS PADD window manager!
[08:35] <rob__> sorry, i am not familair with afaik
[08:36] <Jucato> rob__: afaik = As Far As I Know
[08:36] <rob__> oh
[08:36] <whiz2_> if I can find theboot script, i can have it login asme, load the program I want, then log out lol
[08:36] <whiz2_> err... I think
[08:36] <crystufer2000> !pastebin
[08:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:37] <rob__> we use solaris, and our instrucor made a batch file to run for compiling so i don't know what goes on behind the scenes of that file
[08:37] <Jucato> rob__: anyway, the command to compile something using g++ normally is "g++ source_code.cpp -o executable_filename" where source_code.cpp is your C++ source code, and executable_filename is the name you want to give to the executable file that is produced
[08:37] <crystufer2000> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6522/
[08:37] <Jucato> rob__: if you don't specify the -o filename, the default executable will be named "a.out"
[08:37] <crystufer2000> Just incase anyone wanted to see the end product.
[08:38] <Jucato> rob__: you might also want to drop by ##c++ for more C++-specific instructions
[08:38] <rob__> let me jot that down on gedit so i wont forget later
[08:38] <SlackRat> hmn, drake wont even allow a g++ install
[08:39] <SlackRat> broken deps
[08:39] <rob__> can i do the g++ in the kdev console
[08:39] <Jucato> kdevelop? not really familiar with it
[08:39] <SlackRat> gcc handles c++ as well
[08:40] <Jucato> SlackRat: um...
[08:40] <Jucato> SlackRat: g++ *is* gcc w/ the C++ related flags :)
[08:40] <rob__> so i just do that in the konsole?
[08:40] <SlackRat> yeah, but g++  version 4 cant be installed
[08:40] <Jucato> rob__: any terminal
[08:40] <Jucato> SlackRat: not sure about dapper. but I think it's the default in Edgy
[08:41] <Jucato> gcc4.1 on edgy
[08:41] <whiz2_> ok somebody help me out here. I need to add somethingto my boot script to run when kubuntu runs (before KDE login)
[08:41] <whiz2_> but i dunno where to find the boot script
[08:41] <SlackRat> dependant on libstd++ which wont be installd, any of the gcc pkgs
[08:42] <SlackRat> which are usually installed defaut....
[08:42] <rob__> does the executable name need an extension
[08:42] <Jucato> rob__: on Linux, no
[08:43] <Jucato> rob__: http://www.deitel.com/registration/registrationForm.asp?ultimateDestination=http://www.deitel.com/books/cppHTP4/cppHTP4_DiveIntoGCCLinux_AlphaDraft.zip
[08:43] <Jucato> rob__: that's a free ebook entitled Dive into GNU C++ on Linux
[08:43] <rob__> sweet
[08:43] <Jucato> rob__: **legally** free
[08:44] <Jucato> err... I think you just have to register or something... :(
[08:44] <Jucato> no biggie.just an e-mail and occupation field
[08:45] <rob__> cool no need to go to email for download
[08:46] <rob__> hmm kdev doesn't recgonize .cpp? when trying to open existing .cpp files it only has options for kdevelop stuff
[08:47] <Jucato> not really familiar with kdevelop yet...
[08:47] <Jucato> you can open .cpp in any text editor though.
[08:48] <rob__> i suppose kate or gedit would work just as well
[08:48] <Jucato> for a single file/project .cpp, kdevelop just might be too much. I'd rather use Kate for now
[08:48] <rob__> but where are doing oo so there are many classes and its seems harsh using kate or gedit
[08:48] <Jucato> rob__: kate has a sort of terminal "tab" at the bottom
[08:48] <rob__> oh didn't notice it
[08:48] <Jucato> oh yeah, by that time Kdevelop might come in handy
[08:49] <Jucato> rob__: you might want to drop by #kdevelop too
[08:49] <Jucato> traffic seems to have slowed down a bit... I can breathe now :)
[08:49] <SlackRat> its been ages, so i dont need g++ for c++ programming?
[08:49] <SlackRat> theres a dep hell
[08:49] <SlackRat> in dapper
[08:50] <rob__> haha, sorry for the trouble, im so new to linux. i am taking a linux class that just started jan 22
[08:50] <SlackRat> no problem
[08:50] <Jucato> rob__: that's what this channel is for :)
[08:50] <piro> what would the directory to trash be?
[08:51] <piro> if one wanted to cd to it
[08:51] <Jucato> it's been a while though, since I tried answering a barrage of queries...
[08:51] <Jucato> piro: ~/.local/share/Trash
[08:51] <piro> ty
[08:51] <Jucato> piro: but take note that "trash" as we know it is actually split into 2 directories
[08:51] <whiz2_> nobody knows anythingabout the boot script?
[08:52] <jarn> When I click Log Off from the K Menu, the dialog sometimes doesn't come up.
[08:52] <Jucato> whiz2_: sorry... nope :(
[08:52] <piro> i have a folder in there being lame about permissions my user owns it but still wont let me delete it
[08:52] <fudgey> jucato
[08:52] <rob__> can someone explain to me the make. do i need to specify arguments to make after compiling it
[08:52] <fudgey> restart doesnt work
[08:52] <Jucato> piro: tried going to "trash:/" ?
[08:52] <fudgey> =/
[08:52] <Jucato> fudgey: aw.. :(
[08:52] <whiz2_> I'm trying to get vncserver to start up when Kubuntu starts up (without having to login to the TTY service to run it)
[08:52] <fudgey> I tried using the date cmd
[08:52] <fudgey> I think it works
[08:52] <SlackRat> jucato, basic c++ is covered by which compiler, since theres a fight between g++ versions and libstd++ libs
[08:53] <fudgey> but I dont know how to use it
[08:53] <Jucato> rob__: you only need "make" if you have a makefile. I'm doubting you do
[08:53] <piro> Jucato: ya thats where its giving me the error permission prompt so I wanted to chown it in cli
[08:53] <Jucato> SlackRat: g++ is just a sort of alias to gcc w/ the C++ flags set
[08:53] <rob__> so how does one go about running it after compiling
[08:53] <rob__> do i just use src or something
[08:53] <SlackRat> so i dont need it, its just more of an extra utility....
[08:54] <piro> word thanks got it taken care of
[08:54] <SlackRat> until these versions settle down
[08:54] <crystufer2000> Why won't konquerer show previews of jpg's?
[08:54] <Jucato> SlackRat: man:/gcc - " g++ is a program that calls GCC with the default language set to , and automatically specifies linking against the library. "
[08:55] <Jucato> crystufer2000: check View menu -> Previews
[08:55] <SlackRat> its been so long i dont recall what i used when trying to learn c++
[08:55] <Jucato> rob__: running the executable that's produced?
[08:55] <whiz2_> lightftpd start when kubuntu starts.. why can't I have vncserve do the same whaaaah!
[08:55] <mediacenter> anybody in here know much about raid?
[08:55] <SlackRat> which annoyed me so much i went back to c anyways
[08:55] <Jucato> !raid
[08:55] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[08:55] <mediacenter> i need some help getting raid5 set up
[08:55] <fudgey> c++ is better...
[08:55] <whiz2_> !boot
[08:55] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[08:55] <SlackRat> raid kills bugs dead
[08:55] <rob__> i got the executable made, but don't know how to run it
[08:55] <Jucato> er.. let's not get into C vs C++ stuff here ok?
[08:55] <ubuntu> hi, how can i play a .avi on a live cd?
[08:55] <rob__> i feel like an idiot
[08:56] <fudgey> LOL
[08:56] <SlackRat> im not, im getting into compilers i can run
[08:56] <Jucato> rob__: go to the directory where the executable is located, then run: ./executable_name
[08:56] <Jucato> SlackRat: well better be specific.. C vs C++ has sparked many a war. C++ is not a compiler :P
[08:56] <piro> ubuntu: what kind of a live cd? I linux one or do you mean just any cd ?
[08:57] <ubuntu> kubuntu
[08:57] <SlackRat> yeah, no flame wars.....i wont mention vi or emacs either, heh
[08:57] <Jucato> ubuntu: you'd have to install libxine-extracodecs from the multiverse repository
[08:57] <Jucato> !multiverse | ubuntu
[08:57] <ubotu> ubuntu: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:57] <ubuntu> how do i download somthing on a livecd?
[08:57] <SlackRat> nano is minimal enuf
[08:57] <rob__> oh easy enough
[08:57] <piro> oh i got one that i been meaning to ask, how do i make file managers show total size of folders and not 4-8kb ?
[08:58] <rob__> feels ruff having to learn an os again. but it'll be worth it so long as i don't have to deal with windows again for as long as i can stay away from it
[08:58] <Jucato> piro: currently, I don't think that's possible with Konqueror yet, at least not without right-clicking -> Properties
[08:58] <ubuntu> Jucato: i have a harddrive mounted, can i download to that?
[08:59] <Jucato> ubuntu: you can, but once you reboot or restart, the system won't remember that you installed libxine-extracodecs, so it will be a bit useless
[08:59] <ubuntu> i jsut need it this one time
[08:59] <ubuntu> to watch a video
[08:59] <ubuntu> cause im getting a new harddrive tommrow
[08:59] <piro> Jucato: ty
[08:59] <ubuntu> and i dont want to waste a cd
[08:59] <vge> ubuntu: cdrw for the win
[08:59] <ubuntu> hmm?
[09:00] <Jucato> ubuntu: just right now? then just add the multiverse repository to your sources.list, and install libxine-extracodecs normally
[09:00] <ubuntu> alright
[09:01] <fudgey> how can I enable root when Im not root?
[09:01] <vge> sudo command
[09:01] <Jucato> hm.. difficult question...
[09:01] <whiz2_> enable root how?
[09:01] <rob__> okay now im wondering, if i use the files on windows the cpp files should still be fine as it is right since its just the code and all
[09:01] <fudgey> root has no pass
[09:01] <Jucato> fudgey: btw, can you boot into Recovery Mode from the GRUB menu?
[09:01] <fudgey> so it doesnt work
[09:01] <whiz2_> i don't think you can enable root to be able to login to KDE
[09:01] <fudgey> how?
[09:01] <ubuntu> Jucato:Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:01] <Jucato> fudgey: root user is disabled in Kubuntu.  you use sudo and your user password
[09:02] <fudgey> LOl
[09:02] <fudgey> sudo doesnt work
[09:02] <Jucato> fudgey: that's why I asked if you can boot into Recovery mode
[09:02] <nomad111> my kubuntu doesnt restart sometimese
[09:02] <whiz2_> what are you tryimg to do fudgey?
[09:02] <nomad111> does any1 kno of any common problems involving restarting
[09:02] <Jucato> fudgey: in the GRUB menu when you boot, there's a line that has (recovery mode) at the end
[09:02] <fudgey> im trying to get my gdm to load
[09:02] <rob__> does su work to get in as root too?
[09:02] <fudgey> I dont have grub
[09:02] <Jucato> rob__: only if they're Standard C++ complian source code
[09:02] <fudgey> su doesnt work
[09:03] <fudgey> my gdm doesn twork
[09:03] <fudgey> sudo doesnt work
[09:03] <rob__> oh
[09:03] <Jucato> fudgey: what do you mean you dont' have grub?
[09:03] <rob__> so just use the root shell
[09:03] <fudgey> I dont know
[09:03] <Jucato> fudgey: you don't see a menu when you boot? where you can choose which kernel or Windows?
[09:03] <fudgey> root shell?
[09:03] <fudgey> nope
[09:03] <fudgey> I dont
[09:04] <whiz2_> fudgey: you have a multiboot system?
[09:04] <rob__> konsole has a root shell
[09:04] <fudgey> nope
[09:04] <Jucato> fudgey: it boots directly to Kubuntu?
[09:04] <fudgey> yeah
[09:04] <whiz2_> that's hat mine does. boots directly to kubuntu
[09:04] <fudgey> =/
[09:04] <daftman> can someone help me stop evolution from running at the start?
[09:04] <fudgey> I got ubuntu and Iv never had this prob
[09:04] <Jucato> fudgey: hm.. try this, when you get past the BIOS thingy, just before it starts the bootsplash, try pressing Esc (again and again) to show the menu
[09:05] <whiz2_> just doesn't login to the dekstop automaticallyt
[09:05] <ubuntu> Jucato: Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:05] <Jucato> !autostart | daftman
[09:05] <ubotu> daftman: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[09:05] <fudgey> ok
[09:05] <Skuller> hey  guys...i need some serious help for getting my APC UPS to work..anyone free at the moment?
[09:05] <fudgey> then what?
[09:05] <Jucato> daftman: you're using evolution in kubuntu? O.o
[09:05] <whiz2_> i want it to start before my KDE session
[09:05] <daftman> no i dont but it just start as a background process
[09:05] <daftman> i don't know how to kill it
[09:05] <Jucato> er..
[09:05] <Jucato> wait. sorry I gave you the wrong link
[09:06] <daftman> i have evolution exchange service
[09:06] <daftman> and evolution -alarm-notify running
[09:06] <Jucato> ah then you probably need evolution running in the background for that
[09:06] <daftman> i want to turn it off
[09:06] <daftman> I just want a clean dekstop machine
[09:06] <Skuller> ppl i need help in getting apcupsd to work so i can use my APC UPS in kubuntu
[09:06] <dettoaltrimenti_> daftman: type ps-e | grep evolution
[09:06] <Jucato> um.. uninstall it?
[09:07] <dettoaltrimenti_> daftman: in the terminal, find the number next to it, then 'sudo kill (that number)'
[09:07] <daftman> yea i know how to kill it
[09:07] <_4strO> yop
[09:07] <daftman> I just don't want it to start at boot
[09:07] <dettoaltrimenti_> [11:06]  <daftman> i don't know how to kill it ;)
[09:07] <whiz2_> I love linux
[09:08] <Jucato> !startup
[09:08] <ubotu> To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup
[09:08] <Jucato> er not that.. hm...
[09:08] <whiz2_> but I still need to figure out hwo to get something to start when i boot
[09:08] <SlackRat> wow, its been awhile since i saw such a dependency mes
[09:08] <whiz2_> before my KDE session begins
[09:08] <fudgey> system
[09:08] <rob__> wow so does this mean i have to do a g++ compile for every class i got?
[09:08] <fudgey> asystem/administration/sessions
[09:08] <daftman> get it running is easy
[09:08] <daftman> getting it to stop is hard
[09:09] <daftman> i have stupid evolution server running
[09:09] <Jucato> daftman: might want to ask in #ubuntu how they do it
[09:09] <daftman> am trying
[09:10] <whiz2_> thinkthey might know in #ubuntu where the boot script is?
[09:10] <whiz2_> .j #ubuntu
[09:10] <Jucato> daftman: you can check /usr/share/autostart... but I think that's for KDE
[09:11] <dettoaltrimenti_> jucato- what file determines which programs run at startup? init.d?
[09:11] <dromer> hmm, I have a pc running blackbox, and the scrollwhel of the mouse doesn't work. the middle-mouse-button does, but I can't scroll with it. if I use synergy with the mouse of another pc however I can scroll. how can I make the scroll work on this pc?
[09:11] <Jucato> dettoaltrimenti_: depends on which "startup"
[09:13] <fudgey> can we remove timestamp from the ubuntu system?!
[09:13] <fudgey> its retarded I swear
[09:14] <Jucato> fudgey: sudo -K or sudo -k doesn't work?
[09:14] <Jucato> still won't work?
[09:14] <kraut> moin
[09:14] <fudgey> nothign with sudo works!
[09:14] <fudgey> NOTHING!
[09:14] <fudgey> basicly sudo is uninstalled for all I know
[09:14] <fudgey> sudo is there but not working
[09:14] <whiz2_> I'm getting slightly frustrated.. :-S
[09:14] <fudgey> you?!
[09:15] <fudgey> I cant get a system to install for 4 hours!
[09:15] <ubuntu> what form of file compression has the greatest compression ratio?
[09:15] <Jucato> whiz2_: try Google?
[09:16] <Lynoure> fudgey: do you get an error message or something?
[09:16] <fudgey> only with time stamp
[09:16] <fudgey> its liek 1904
[09:16] <ubuntu> what form of file compression has the greatest compression ratio?
[09:16] <whiz2_> That's an idea...
[09:17] <SlackRat> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
[09:17] <SlackRat> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
[09:17] <SlackRat> that package should be filed.
[09:17] <SlackRat> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[09:17] <SlackRat> thats not good is it.....
[09:17] <fudgey> ??
[09:17] <Skuller> please someone help me with getting my APC ups driver to work "apcupsd"
[09:17] <fudgey> the greatest compression ratio is google
[09:18] <fudgey> at least my problem is one of a kind
[09:18] <_4strO> ^^
[09:18] <piro> ubuntu: the best form of compression is 1.6 bits per symbol
[09:19] <piro> ~
[09:19] <whiz2_> gee... what i found on google talks about adding a script to bootup, but this isn't a script
[09:19] <piro> 0.6*
[09:19] <Lynoure> fudgey: no, it is not... If you google with the error message, you'll see others have had it
[09:19] <Tm_T> whiz2_: You're doing what?
[09:20] <fudgey> but they never solved it...
[09:20] <fudgey> haha
[09:20] <Jucato> whiz2_: what is it then?
[09:20] <fudgey> lmao
[09:20] <whiz2_> Trying to make vncserver startup during boot time as my user without having to login to TTY to start it manually
[09:20] <ubuntu> anyone here know how to install on a raid array?
[09:20] <Tm_T> whiz2_: Just make script that runs vncserver, now you have script.
[09:20] <Jucato> whiz2_: um.. afaik Linux uses scripts to do those. so make a script for it as Tm_T mentioned
[09:21] <whiz2_> vncserver works perfectly fine when it's running, but it doesn't start up during boot time
[09:21] <whiz2_> I dunno how to make a script
[09:21] <Lynoure> fudgey: if you go in  through the recovery boot you will have root and then you can just delete the sudo time stamp
[09:21] <fudgey> sO I hold esc when starting up?
[09:21] <whiz2_> if I did, i'd prolly have it done, and working by now, ;-)
[09:21] <fudgey> then recovery?
[09:22] <fudgey> then how to remove the time stamp?
[09:22] <Jucato> fudgey: hold or keep on pressing. then sudo -k or sudo -K once you're there
[09:22] <Tm_T> whiz2_: It's just textfile containing commands, and have executable mode.
[09:22] <Jucato> fudgey: recovery mode will boot you into root console
[09:22] <fudgey> awesome
[09:23] <fudgey> let me try now
[09:23] <whiz2_> can I get that script to login as me, run vncserver, then logout?
[09:23] <fudgey> thanks a ton guys
[09:23] <Jucato> fudgey: the tricky part is getting into the menu by pressing Esc
[09:23] <whiz2_> it absolutely has to run it as my user. it can't run it as root
[09:23] <Jucato> hm...
[09:24] <Jucato> Tm_T: looks like something that can be done in .bash_profile or .bashrc?
[09:24] <whiz2_> if it runs as root, i dont'
[09:24] <whiz2_> I don't have remote access to my desktop
[09:24] <Tm_T> Jucato: Something like that, maybe.
[09:24] <Tm_T> OR not.
[09:24] <Jucato> heh
[09:24] <Jucato> lol sorry, not familiar with anything .bash* :D
[09:25] <Tm_T> Me neither much.
[09:25] <fudgey> ok im in boot mode
[09:25] <fudgey> im lost now
[09:25] <Jucato> fudgey: you were able to choose Recovery mode?
[09:25] <fudgey> awhats cmd to get into recovery mode?
[09:25] <fudgey> I cant chose recovery mode
[09:25] <fudgey> it just says boot:
[09:25] <Jucato> um?? that just appeared when you pressed Esc?
[09:25] <fudgey> yeah
[09:26] <fudgey> its stuck there
[09:26] <fudgey> yeah
[09:27] <Lynoure> whiz2_: make a startup script, make sure it is owned by you. setuid it. That should work
[09:27] <fudgey> ok now what
[09:27] <Jucato> fudgey: no menu comes up? hm.. let me think.. :(
[09:27] <fudgey> take out my hard drive and crush it with my jack hammer
[09:28] <Jucato> lol no
[09:28] <mortici> wth my drives are not detected GAH
[09:28] <whiz2_> think if maybe I add it to my KDE startup it would work the way i'm trying to get it to?
[09:28] <fudgey> then give my comp a salt bath'
[09:28] <Jucato> I just don't know the command...
[09:28] <fudgey> give it an emp pulse
[09:28] <SlackRat> omg, what a naasty bugseses
[09:28] <Jucato> whiz2_: might probably a better thing to do
[09:29] <Jucato> fudgey: don't go sci fi on me now... :D
[09:29] <whiz2_> heh
[09:29] <fudgey> I have an emp dedevice haha
[09:29] <whiz2_> now I just have to figure out how to do that
[09:29] <Lynoure> fudgey: in that case, boot with install cd, mount / partition, remove the user file in /var/run/sudo in that filesystem
[09:29] <whiz2_> ut would that run it before my desktop session logs in?
[09:29] <fudgey> sounds confusing
[09:30] <Lynoure> whiz2_: adding it to kde startup works if it ok if it runs automatically when you log in.
[09:30] <whiz2_> if not, then I still have to login to the TTY service to run it as me
[09:30] <whiz2_> I want it to run before I login to my desktop session
[09:30] <Lynoure> whiz2_: did you see what I said about a startup script? Did it not work?
[09:31] <whiz2_> I want to be able to boot to the login screen, then from a remote computer, run the vnc client, and immediately have access to my desktop without havig to tty into it, and start it
[09:31] <SlackRat> that was wierd
[09:31] <whiz2_> startup scrupt... i had another question that went unanswered
[09:31] <fudgey> oh my god
[09:31] <fudgey> thats gonna take an hour
[09:31] <Lynoure> fudgey: no, just 10min or so if you have an install cd there.
[09:31] <whiz2_> Lynoure: can I make a startup script that logs in as my user, runs vncserver, then logs out?
[09:32] <Jucato> fudgey: if only I knew the boot command to make it boot into single-user/recovery mode
[09:32] <fudgey> yeah
[09:32] <fudgey> !!
[09:32] <SlackRat> if i could figure out what just happened i could file a sticky
[09:32] <SlackRat> or a bug report
[09:32] <SlackRat> ack
[09:33] <Jucato> fudgey: so you have a sort of boot: prompt there?
[09:33] <fudgey> yeah
[09:33] <_4strO> whiz2_: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-189555.html
[09:34] <_4strO> be carefull --> read the end of page
[09:34] <whiz2_> ok
[09:34] <Jucato> fudgey: not sure if "ro single" are commands but those seem to be the options used in my /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:34] <_4strO> the guy made a mistake :p
[09:34] <fudgey> let me see if it works
[09:34] <_4strO> # sudo ln -s /etc/init.d/ssh S99vncserver
[09:35] <_4strO> not ssh but vncserver
[09:35] <fudgey> ok
[09:36] <fudgey> ro single doesnt work
[09:36] <fudgey> I tried help
[09:36] <fudgey> theres only one cmd
[09:36] <fudgey> thats to access the Linux kernel
[09:36] <fudgey> so I typed Linux and ubuntu boots up -_
[09:36] <fudgey> -_-
[09:36] <fudgey> so no grub
[09:36] <fudgey> =/
[09:36] <Jucato> O.o
[09:37] <fudgey> recovery mode w/e
[09:37] <whiz2_> i read to the end of the page... what was I looking for? something dangerous to the OS?
[09:37] <_4strO> fudgey:  what's the pb ?
[09:37] <fudgey> pb?
[09:37] <whiz2_> I'm hoping I just found the information I need...
[09:37] <Jucato> _4strO: timestamp too far into the future
[09:37] <Jucato> fudgey: pb = problem :)
[09:37] <fudgey> =D
[09:37] <SlackRat> finally, a compiler
[09:38] <fudgey> pb = peanut butter
[09:38] <fudgey> LOL
[09:38] <_4strO> whiz2_ : no but the guy made a mistake  # sudo ln -s /etc/init.d/ssh S99vncserver
[09:38] <rob__> not very friendly compiling OO C++
[09:38] <franx> hi there. i use kde (duh!) and I have a folder which has what looks like a powerplug coming out of it?
[09:38] <franx> anyone seen anything like that
[09:38] <whiz2_> what is XDMCP
[09:38] <_4strO> lol fudgey
[09:38] <whiz2_> ?
[09:38] <SlackRat> not very friendly even getting a  compiler installed without dependency hell
[09:39] <franx> thought it might be because its a large folder or something
[09:39] <rob__> haha
[09:39] <_4strO> whiz2_: for autorized remote controle of your session i think
[09:39] <whiz2_> and why would I possibly need that for vncserver to start at boot?
[09:39] <_4strO> or
[09:39] <Jucato> rob__: you just need to adjust to a new OS and a new way of doing things, I guess
[09:39] <_4strO> open rpote session
[09:39] <_4strO> open remote session
[09:39] <rob__> yes indeed
[09:40] <whiz2_> I can already login to a remote session. i'm controlling my KDE desktop remotely now
[09:40] <franx> this is how i start vnc at boot
[09:40] <whiz2_> it's not getting the remote session, it's getting vncserver to simply run as my use at boot
[09:40] <rob__> DevC++ was about the only thing i liked about programming C++ in windows. now its even more challenging to compile OO in linux
[09:40] <franx> su -c - user /home/user/vnc.sh
[09:40] <franx> thats in my /etc/rc.local
[09:40] <whiz2_> ok
[09:41] <franx> #!/bin/sh
[09:41] <SlackRat> its actually easier in linux, more the old fashioned way
[09:41] <whiz2_> how do I get /etc/rc.local ro execute at startup?
[09:41] <franx> vncserver :2
[09:41] <franx> thats in my vnc.sh file
[09:41] <whiz2_> I feel like I'm going in circles
[09:41] <rob__> guess ill get my instructor to help out on this one. getting late here and im getting a brainache so good night folks. oh and thanks agian for all the trouble
[09:41] <SlackRat> nite
[09:41] <franx> rc.local automatically loads at startup
[09:42] <whiz2_> I'm getting vague answers
[09:42] <whiz2_> ok.
[09:42] <franx> whiz2_: prv msg me if you want
[09:43] <franx> man i sure like crossover
[09:43] <whiz2_> did you get my prv message?
[09:43] <franx> negative
[09:44] <whiz2_> in my case I think the script would be su -c- jason /home/jason/vnc.sh right?
[09:45] <whiz2_> Sorry. i'm not using a normal IRC client. I don't think my prv messages will work
[09:45] <franx> maybe a space between 'c' and '-'
[09:46] <franx> thats what i have
[09:46] <whiz2_> franx: do you have an instant messenger?
[09:46] <franx> msn?
[09:46] <whiz2_> i have that
[09:46] <whiz2_> can I put my addy in channel for you to grab?
[09:47] <franx> how come my apt doesnt show that there is an available kde to update to
[09:47] <whiz2_> dunno
[09:47] <SlackRat> jucato, were the C compilers default in the edgy install?
[09:47] <Jucato> SlackRat: nope
[09:47] <franx> ./j #msnstuff
[09:47] <franx> whiz2_:
[09:47] <SlackRat> just worked my way round wierd lib deps
[09:48] <whiz2_> ok
[09:49] <SlackRat> just wish i could remember what i did that worked, now, lol
[09:49] <Jucato> lol
[09:49] <Jucato> don't worry, by the time you upgrade, GCC will be upgraded too.. if you upgrade :)
[09:50] <SlackRat> im tempted to wait for stable releases, given how much work on this box i use
[09:50] <SlackRat> but no idea when the next LTS is coming up
[09:50] <Jucato> no announcement yet...
[09:51] <Jucato> LTS != version updates though...
[09:51] <Jucato> lots of people seem to confuse that
[09:51] <Skuller> !apcupsd
[09:51] <ubotu> apcupsd: APC UPS Power Management. In component universe, is extra. Version 3.12.3-1 (edgy), package size 295 kB, installed size 1056 kB
[09:51] <tuco> hi guys how can I open wmv files format in kubuntu? What is the best player and is there codecs I need to download?
[09:51] <Skuller> !APC
[09:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:51] <Skuller> !UPS
[09:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ups - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:52] <SlackRat> vlc , mplayer and codecs, caffeine, w32 codec, libdvdcss
[09:52] <fudgey> no screens found f" is the error!
[09:52] <Skuller> tuco: u need to get the w32codecs
[09:52] <fudgey> found it!
[09:52] <tuco> ah from adept yeah?
[09:53] <Jucato> nope
[09:53] <Jucato> you have to manually download and install w32codecs
[09:53] <Skuller> can anyone help me to get apcupsd to work...it is the driver for APS UPS
[09:54] <Skuller> APC*
[09:54] <tuco> from where Jucato?
[09:54] <_4strO> tuco: automatix2
[09:54] <franx> !kde
[09:54] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[09:54] <_4strO> look on google
[09:54] <franx> hmm
[09:54] <fudgey> AW crap fuck this shit! http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/08/23/137206
[09:54] <franx> anyone know why new kde isnt showing in adept?
[09:54] <fudgey> FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:55] <Jucato> fudgey: please
[09:55] <fudgey> please..
[09:55] <fudgey> let me be!!
[09:55] <_4strO> franx u dont have the good repositories ?
[09:55] <Jucato> tuco: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/WindowsCodecs
[09:55] <fudgey> plan B time!
[09:55] <Jucato> !automatix | _4strO
[09:55] <ubotu> _4strO: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[09:55] <fudgey> fuck the shit outta my cpu!
[09:55] <fudgey> muhahaha
[09:55] <franx> i have standard kbuntu repositories
[09:55] <fudgey> MUHAHAHAHAHA
[09:55] <franx> im not a ubuntu upgrader
[09:56] <fudgey> its a junk piece of technology anyway
[09:56] <_4strO> Jucato: i put automatix and dont have any pb :p
[09:56] <Jucato> !worksforme | _4strO
[09:56] <tuco> ok will try.
[09:56] <ubotu> _4strO: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[09:56] <Jucato> rawr... a bit off, but it gets the message through
[09:56] <_4strO> lol Jucato
[09:57] <fudgey> no screens found f" HELP IS NEEDED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[09:57] <Jucato> _4strO: it's just like this. sure it works for you. might not work for everyone. and if it doesn't work, we can't really support it here... we can try, but we can't guarantee :)
[09:58] <_4strO> ok
[09:58] <ERWER> hi
[09:59] <_4strO> and the good way to have win32codecs is to find them on a website and install it ?
[09:59] <ERWER> i was wonderign if you could help me with something
[09:59] <fudgey> no screens found f" HELP IS NEEDED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[09:59] <ERWER> i cant install drivers for ati
[09:59] <_4strO> why dont say to add universe/multiverse repo and install them with adept ?
[10:00] <franx> whats the repo that has kde in it?
[10:00] <_4strO> fudgey: what have u done ?
[10:00] <_4strO> lol
[10:00] <Jucato> franx: KDE 3.5.6?
[10:01] <tuco> ok cool it works I still don't have the sound though :-)
[10:01] <fudgey> I figured it out the problem!!!
[10:01] <_4strO> tuco: is the sound active ?
[10:01] <fudgey> a problem with the card im thinking
[10:01] <_4strO> open kmix and look
[10:01] <_4strO> :;p
[10:01] <fudgey> graphic card
[10:01] <Jucato> fudgey: hm.. most probably...
[10:01] <_4strO> (if u on KDE)
[10:02] <fudgey> so I need to fix the xorg cfg
[10:02] <fudgey> but I dont know what card my computer uses
[10:02] <fudgey> cuz It uses a generic one
[10:02] <fudgey> do you know what kind cards imac's uses?
[10:02] <_4strO> fudgey:  and u have this pb just after installation
[10:02] <franx> Jucato: yes
[10:02] <fudgey> YES
[10:03] <fudgey> Right after
[10:03] <fudgey> it causes my gdm to not load
[10:03] <franx> fudgey: nvidia?
[10:03] <_4strO> yep
[10:03] <fudgey> not sure
[10:03] <tuco> well I set it up for my audigy
[10:03] <Jucato> franx: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php
[10:03] <fudgey> I have no clue of what the card could be
[10:03] <franx> fudgey: did you just update your kernel and you cant find a screen?
[10:03] <Skuller> can anyone help me with my UPS driver 'apcupsd'?
[10:04] <franx> fudgey: cos ive solved that prob
[10:04] <_4strO> tuco: u're on KDE ?
[10:04] <fudgey> yeah
[10:04] <tuco> yes
[10:04] <fudgey> I didnt update
[10:04] <fudgey> I was installing the system
[10:04] <fudgey> and booting for first time
[10:04] <fudgey> you solved it?
[10:04] <tuco> I don't get the sound either in Amarok
[10:04] <_4strO> in the Kmix Master and PCM have the green led lightning ?
[10:05] <_4strO> (sorry 4 my english :)
[10:05] <tuco> output or input :-)?
[10:05] <_4strO> output
[10:05] <thomas_> hallo?
[10:06] <Skuller> !ups
[10:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ups - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:06] <franx> if thats your prob
[10:06] <franx> yes sir
[10:06] <franx> i fixed it
[10:06] <tuco> well all levels are up as far as I can see
[10:06] <_4strO> and the green led ?
[10:06] <franx> not only that
[10:07] <franx> if your prob is nvidia
[10:07] <franx> ill help you fix
[10:07] <franx> it
[10:07] <franx> unlike some others here (not jucato- he was very helpful)
[10:07] <franx> =] 
[10:07] <tuco> it shows a half white green triangle underneath output
[10:07] <Jucato> O.o
[10:08] <tuco> sort of
[10:08] <Jucato> sorry, can't have my eyes fixed on the channel... :)
[10:08] <franx> Jucato: 3.5.6 any good?
[10:08] <franx> Jucato: or more importantly
[10:08] <Jucato> franx: so far yeah. btw, there's no 3.5.6 for Dapper (just in case you're on Dapper)
[10:09] <franx> Jucato: how much damage will it do to my system to upgrade to it
[10:09] <franx> (edgy)
[10:09] <Jucato> damage? none that I know of
[10:09] <Grey_Fox> where do I dl beryl?
[10:09] <franx> beryl
[10:09] <franx> i run that
[10:09] <franx> its cool
[10:09] <_4strO> very cool
[10:09] <Jucato> !beryl | Grey_Fox
[10:09] <ubotu> Grey_Fox: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:09] <franx> but its a bit crap on a 1.4/gf2mx
[10:09] <_4strO> make vista obselet
[10:09] <Grey_Fox> thanks ubotu
[10:09] <_4strO> ^^
[10:09] <tuco> I also make sure its the audigy card and not intel audio
[10:10] <Grey_Fox> vista was always obsolete
[10:10] <Jucato> franx: there were some fixes for kicker (KDE's panel) in 3.5.6 so that it would work a bit better w/ beryl
[10:10] <Grey_Fox> cool
[10:10] <franx> but when i finally get a 2600xp from ebay (stupid snipers) it will rule
[10:10] <franx> and maybe a 7600gt
[10:10] <franx> or soemthing
[10:10] <Grey_Fox> I saw a vid for it
[10:10] <tuco> no sound damn :-(
[10:10] <franx> Jucato: will i need to rm my .kde dir?
[10:11] <Jucato> frojnd: no!!!
[10:11] <Jucato> franx: never rm your .kde dir unless absolutely necessary
[10:11] <Grey_Fox> it's a bit of alearning curve switching to kubuntu
[10:12] <_4strO> tuco: think it's juste mute
[10:12] <Jucato> there a learning curve in switching to anything. how steep that curve is depends on how used you were to the previous state
[10:12] <Grey_Fox> hah yeah
[10:12] <Grey_Fox> haha
[10:13] <Grey_Fox> well, beryl should be fun
[10:13] <tuco> I can't see how it can be mute...all levels up, audigy 2 sz chosen
[10:13] <franx> Jucato: i once upgraded kde and i needed to rm the dir before it would work
[10:13] <franx> Jucato: tis all
[10:13] <tuco> but then again I can be wrong
[10:13] <Jucato> franx: er... that's a bit.. wrong... :(
[10:14] <Grey_Fox> does deb work in kde?
[10:14] <Jucato> Grey_Fox: you mean in Kubuntu?
[10:14] <Jucato> Kubuntu is Debian based
[10:14] <Grey_Fox> yeah
[10:14] <Grey_Fox> because it won't work when I type it in konsole
[10:15] <Jucato> what won't work?
[10:15] <Grey_Fox> the command 'deb'
[10:15] <Jucato> because there's no 'deb' command :)
[10:15] <Jucato> !dpkg
[10:15] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[10:15] <Grey_Fox> k
[10:15] <Grey_Fox> lousy, lying wikis...
[10:15] <_4strO> :p
[10:16] <franx> Jucato: it was mandriva tho i was using
[10:16] <Grey_Fox> rofl
[10:16] <franx> Jucato: so i mean, its no kubuntu
[10:16] <franx> Jucato: =] 
[10:17] <Jucato> franx: heh :)
[10:17] <Grey_Fox> 2001 ftw
[10:18] <tuco> I made sure of the master channel as well ...amarok doesnt produce sound too guys :-(
[10:18] <Jucato> !sound
[10:18] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[10:18] <lumark> Salve ragazzi
[10:19] <lumark> qualcuno disposto ad aiiutarmi x casi?
[10:19] <Jucato> !it | lumark
[10:19] <ubotu> lumark: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:19] <Grey_Fox> jucato with the !
[10:19] <Jucato> :D
[10:20] <_4strO> !jucato
[10:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jucato - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:20] <Jucato> er?
[10:20] <Grey_Fox> haha
[10:20] <_4strO> ^^
[10:21] <justin_> Hi all, is there a problem with packages.freecontrib.org lately that anyone has heard about?
[10:21] <Grey_Fox> I wonder why my internet is slower on kubuntu, then on xp
[10:21] <Grey_Fox> browser?
[10:21] <franx> Jucato: whats the advantage of apt-key say in relation to adding a pgp key to my apt repo?
[10:22] <Grey_Fox> !apt
[10:22] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[10:22] <Jucato> justin_: I think PLF is not support Ubuntu anymore  not really sure though
[10:22] <magnus> Hi. How can I change the text encoding in console?
[10:22] <Grey_Fox> lousy internets
[10:22] <Jucato> magnus: Settings -> Encoding?
[10:22] <justin_> Ah, that would explain it, thanks
[10:22] <magnus> Jucato: No X on this one
[10:23] <magnus> Need to do it from ssh
[10:23] <Jucato> ah... hm... sorry no idea...
[10:23] <magnus> My norwegian charracters won't work in irssi ;)
[10:23] <Grey_Fox> how do you check which version of ubuntu you're running?
[10:23] <Jucato> franx: apt-get will stop complaining that you have an untrusted repository
[10:23] <Jucato> !version | Grey_Fox
[10:23] <ubotu> Grey_Fox: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[10:24] <Grey_Fox> cool
[10:24] <Grey_Fox> is feisty fawn good?
[10:24] <Grey_Fox> maybe I should upgrade
[10:24] <franx> Codename:       edgy
[10:24] <franx> sweetr
[10:25] <tuco> damn damn damn
[10:25] <Jucato> !feisty | Grey_Fox
[10:25] <ubotu> Grey_Fox: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[10:25] <Jucato> Grey_Fox: don't upgrade yet
[10:28] <Grey_Fox> k
[10:28] <Grey_Fox> just in alpha
[10:28] <Grey_Fox> gotta stop believing wikis
[10:29] <Grey_Fox> pipe!
[10:29] <Grey_Fox> |||||||
[10:31] <Grey_Fox> hi piro
[10:33] <Grey_Fox> !ubuntu
[10:33] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[10:33] <tuco> only plays the onboard sound arggggghhhhhh!
[10:34] <Grey_Fox> let see if telnet is faster then konquerer
[10:35] <franx> Jucato: i shouldnt need to be logged out of kde to upgrade it should i?
[10:41] <n4cht> tuco: you know why that is?   because linux isn't windows.  linux will say "here's a device.  let's use that.  we'll ignore the other one unless you explicitly tell me to."    simple solution is that if you want a pci audio device to be detected, turn -off- your on-board audio in your bios settings prior to installation.
[10:41] <phobiac> Okay. I need an opinion here. When my computer boots up, all keyboard function until kubuntu boots is gone (I can't press escape at the grub menu), and once kubuntu boots i have keyboard control but no mouse function.
[10:41] <phobiac> I'm thinking the computer itself is messed up, considering I have no keyboard before kubuntu even boots.
[10:41] <n4cht> linux, when deciding which audio device to use, makes no assumptions.  it simply uses the first one available, which is always the onboard if it's not disabled.
[10:41] <n4cht> phobiac: usb or ps/2?
[10:41] <_4strO> n4cht: awesome
[10:41] <tuco> I know n4cht it isn't windows thank you. I am just bluffled because the audigy is listed, levels master and pcm and the rest all up, mute unticked etc. I am new to Linux but not that thick, just bluffled!
[10:41] <phobiac> n4cht: ps/2 I think? It's a laptop
[10:41] <n4cht> phobiac: ohh.  you mean the built-in keyboard?
[10:41] <Grey_Fox> so, vi or emacs?
[10:41] <phobiac> n4cht: Yes
[10:41] <tuco> and I can't disable the onboard sound in the bios it's a laptop!
[10:41] <n4cht> phobiac: i would actually check with your manufacturer on that one.
[10:41] <phobiac> I also SEEM to have keeyboard control when kubuntu starts up, I can log in at least.
[10:41] <n4cht> tuco: that's odd.  i've never seen a laptop that doesn't allow you to disable the on-board in favor of an external unit.
[10:41] <phobiac> However I can't do ctrl, alt, or function keys
[10:41] <tuco> acer 5670 try it!
[10:41] <n4cht> phobiac: i'm pretty sure it's a combo of both ubuntu -and- your laptop.
[10:41] <phobiac> n4cht: Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
[10:41] <tuco> Let me see if by logging off and on again it works.
[10:41] <phobiac> I'm thinking the BIOS is messed up. No keyboard control before kubuntu starts is not good.
[10:48] <Grey_Fox> get the free bios
[10:48] <Grey_Fox> bbl
[10:48] <phobiac> I'm considering just buying a new computer. This isn't the first major issue I've had with it.
[10:48] <n4cht> phobiac: it's probably the bios, but once you boot into ubuntu, you should have full keyboard control unless 1) the keyboard is physically damaged somehow or 2) you selected the wrong keyboard type during install.
[10:48] <n4cht> phobiac: if you do that, ship me the laptop.  lol.  i could always use a new paperweight.  :D
[10:48] <phobiac> n4cht: It was working just moments ago, until I rebooted.
[10:48] <phobiac> n4cht: I plan on trying to fix it in my spare time. :P It has some sentimental value.
[10:48] <n4cht> yikes.  so it just stopped letting you have control of the keyboard -recently- ?
[10:48] <phobiac> Despite the fact that the frame is busted
[10:48] <n4cht> prior to that reboot, all was well?
[10:48] <phobiac> Yes
[10:48] <vge> kopete can handle UTF8 to ISO xx?
[10:48] <vge> if so, how?
[10:48] <n4cht> frame busts are normal.   my wife's laptop looks like the display is going to fall off at any minute.
[10:48] <nidal> hi all , I am trying to telnet to port 80 of yahoo.com, its giving the prompt fine. But when I try to give a get request for any further link url (e.g www.yahoo.com/s/511021) it waits for a long time and then gives following error error
ERROR: The requested URL could not be retrieved</TITLE>
[10:48] <nidal> <A HREF="">209.131.36.158www.yahoo.com/s/511021</A>
[10:48] <n4cht> nidal: why are you trying to telnet to yahoo anyway?
[10:48] <nidal> this is the same case with any site? can you suggest me what is wrong with this ? I am sorry to put up this question here as Its not specific to kubuntu (though I am running kubuntu)
[10:48] <phobiac> n4cht: How well do you know gateway's? Because the joint for the monitor broke on mine, and apparently it was part of the frame. That's how bad the damage is. It's still usable but inconvient.
[10:48] <nidal> n4cht , I am infact testing one of my site. and its the same case, to better convince you the problem , I gave the yahoo example
[10:48] <n4cht> phobiac: i wish i knew how to fix that.  then the wife would stop nagging me to buy her a new laptop.  i just built her a new desktop a couple months ago for her bday.
[10:48] <phobiac> n4cht: Any suggestions for what I can try? I'm going to boot a live CD tomorrow and see if the keyboard itself is just messed up.
[10:48] <phobiac> n4cht: Nice bday present :D
[10:49] <n4cht> phobiac: i'm really not sure.   i've never owned a laptop myself, so to be honest, my knowledge of laptops is very little.
[10:49] <n4cht> i think i've checked gmail once on my wife's laptop.
[10:49] <phobiac> n4cht: Oh well, thank you anyway.
[10:50] <nidal> n4cht, actually one of our customers are complaining this , they are using telnet command to retrieve the content for some application and its working with other websites and not working with mine.
[10:50] <n4cht> i really need to get off my butt and start posting on craigslist about custom linux desktop PCs.   free advertising is the only way to go until i get my small business grant or start making money at it.
[10:51] <phobiac> This dang laptop has been nothing but trouble from the start. First windows crapped out on me, so I migrated to linux. Then the frame, then recently issues while I was moving some partitions that forced me to reinstall linux (saved my important stuff though, seperate /home partition ftw), and now this
[10:52] <phobiac> Not to mention the number of problems I cause from messing around with it, but those were all on me. Beryl was fun to get working though.
[10:53] <cox377> !kwrapper
[10:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kwrapper - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:53] <void_> what's the f12 button for?
[10:53] <cox377> does anyone know what kwrapper about
[10:53] <n4cht> brb
[10:54] <nomad111> !java
[10:54] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[10:54] <phobiac> nomad11: Java issues?
[10:55] <phobiac> Eh, gotta go
[10:56] <pointfivezero> java work in x86_64?
[10:56] <pointfivezero> or is the only option using automatix2?
[10:56] <pointfivezero> for the 32bit version
[10:59] <nidal> n4cht, can you suggest me anything ? when I give the same url in thr browser its coming up
[11:00] <void_> alright
[11:00] <void_> rebooting so I can run beryl
[11:02] <Dunpeal> stet
[11:02] <Dunpeal> econthrust
[11:06] <fudgey> hey guys
[11:06] <fudgey> anyone use wine?
[11:06] <fudgey> anyone use wine?
[11:07] <fudgey> im trying to make the program load from the cd
[11:08] <fudgey> anyone use wine?
[11:08] <fudgey> im trying to make the program load from the cd
[11:08] <SolidSource> open the cd, right click, "open with..." >> Wine
[11:08] <fudgey> no
[11:09] <pointfivezero> you have to set up the device first
[11:09] <fudgey> the program is installed
[11:09] <fudgey> but requires the cd to load
[11:09] <pointfivezero> use #winecfg
[11:09] <pointfivezero> (not channel, but set up your cdrom)
[11:09] <fudgey> yeah I knwo haha
[11:09] <pointfivezero> ok
[11:09] <fudgey> add a d drive?
[11:09] <pointfivezero> yeah
[11:10] <fudgey> hmm
[11:10] <fudgey> when I change it it always goes back
[11:10] <fudgey> like it doesnt save
[11:10] <fudgey> do I need sudo before the winecfg?
[11:10] <fudgey> wait nvm im in root
[11:10] <pointfivezero> oh
[11:10] <fudgey> YES!
[11:10] <fudgey> it worked!
[11:10] <pointfivezero> exit out of sudo
[11:10] <crazy_bus> What is the name of the metapackage of kde compiling type tools?
[11:10] <pointfivezero> !
[11:11] <fudgey> for example
[11:11] <fudgey> have you played starcraft?
[11:11] <Jucato> crazy_bus: what?
[11:11] <froud> is it possible to setup sane to scan from an HP network connected all in one device?
[11:11] <pointfivezero> fudgey: you can copy the using the dd command
[11:11] <crazy_bus> I remember downloading a package like build-essential but kde compiling/building tools instead
[11:11] <fudgey> dd?
[11:12] <pointfivezero> it helps for multidsc installs
[11:12] <pointfivezero> winehq.org
[11:12] <pointfivezero> man dd
[11:12] <pointfivezero> !dd
[11:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:12] <Jucato> crazy_bus: build-essential installs the compiler and tools you need for compiling. kde-devel installs the headers and libraries you need to compile kde apps
[11:12] <crazy_bus> thanks
[11:14] <fudgey> hmm
[11:14] <fudgey> thanks
[11:14] <pointfivezero> well
[11:14] <fudgey> wait
[11:15] <fudgey> have you played starcraft?
[11:15] <fudgey> or any blizzard game?
[11:15] <pointfivezero> yep, many moons ago
[11:15] <pointfivezero> yeah I have diable II installed on here
[11:15] <fudgey> you knwo you need the cd to play?
[11:15] <pointfivezero> yeah, use a nocd patch aye
[11:15] <fudgey> what if there is nun?
[11:15] <fudgey> and its like another program
[11:16] <pointfivezero> erm, does the cd work ?
[11:16] <whiz2_> ok I've made a little progress, but I've reached another obstacle
[11:16] <fudgey> cd works
[11:16] <Eltran> hello
[11:16] <Eltran> I have a problem while I'm compiling LMMS
[11:16] <fudgey> im trying to install some kind of server tool
[11:16] <Eltran> I always get this message when I try make
[11:16] <Eltran> plugins/organic/Makefile.am:29: Libtool library used but `LIBTOOL' is undefined
[11:16] <fudgey> that requires a cd to run
[11:16] <fudgey> but it cant find the cd
[11:16] <Eltran> what can I do pls
[11:17] <Eltran> The usual way to define `LIBTOOL' is to add `AC_PROG_LIBTOOL'
[11:17] <whiz2_> trying to get vncserver to run as my user (not as root) on boot. have made a script that runs vncserver on boot, and put that script into /etc/init.d then made it executable, but it still runs it as root.
[11:17] <pointfivezero> hmm
[11:17] <whiz2_> is there a way to make it run as my user without stopping to prompt for a password?
[11:17] <fudgey> its like trying to run starcraft without a cd
[11:17] <fudgey> no cd patch
[11:18] <pointfivezero> ah, you need the cd to start off with aye
[11:18] <fudgey> yeah
[11:18] <fudgey> I ment without the no cd patch
[11:19] <fudgey> ahh nvm
[11:19] <fudgey> its like trying to fix wine
[11:19] <fudgey> haha
[11:20] <fudgey> if your a developer than yeah...
[11:20] <whiz2_> can anyone help me here?
[11:20] <MuJ> which reminds me..
[11:20] <pointfivezero> try http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=51
[11:20] <MuJ> gotta be ready for lanparty ;)
[11:20] <fudgey> hl?
[11:21] <fudgey> halflife?
[11:21] <fudgey> LOL
[11:21] <whiz2_> I've found where to put the script. I just need to know the syntax for makng the program run asme without stopping the boot process to request a password from the local keyboard
[11:21] <MuJ> yes.. my friends play natural selection :|
[11:21] <fudgey> try hl2
[11:21] <fudgey> I play ep 1
[11:21] <MuJ> nah.. I don't play games
[11:21] <fudgey> =)
[11:21] <Eltran> hl2 sucks
[11:21] <fudgey> NO!
[11:21] <fudgey> you just did not say that!
[11:21] <pointfivezero> offtopic no
[11:21] <fudgey> offtopic hellz yes!
[11:21] <fudgey> -D
[11:21] <Eltran> YAI OFFTOPIC
[11:21] <fudgey> =D
[11:22] <fudgey> you
[11:22] <fudgey> hypocrite!
[11:22] <fudgey> hypot
[11:22] <Eltran> lol but can ya help meh to solve my problem ?
[11:22] <fudgey> you should repost
[11:22] <fudgey> haha
[11:22] <Eltran> I always get this error when I try make : Libtool library used but `LIBTOOL' is undefined  The usual way to define `LIBTOOL' is to add `AC_PROG_LIBTOOL' to `configure.in' and run `aclocal' and `autoconf' again.
[11:22] <pointfivezero> the make issue?
[11:23] <whiz2_> I guess no one knows the command?
[11:23] <Eltran> but the problem is... AC_PROG_LIBTOOL is already in configure.in
[11:23] <Eltran> but when I did configure, I saw that : ./configure: line 4454: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL: command not found
[11:23] <premier_> where does firefox keep its plugins?  I need to get rid of some of theme
[11:24] <Eltran> I have libtool installed, how can I define it ?
[11:24] <SolidSource> premier_: depends, but usually /home/USER/.mozilla/firefox
[11:24] <fudgey> premier_ /usr/share/firefox
[11:26] <premier_> mplayer appears to be the only plugin that actually plays media, and the rest just interfere, but I can neither find nor disable the rest (totem, in particular)
[11:26] <premier_> yeah, their not there
[11:27] <whiz2_> nobody likes me!
[11:27] <whiz2_> :-p
[11:28] <pointfivezero> whiz2_: su -c $user -c $command
[11:28] <pointfivezero> oops
[11:28] <pointfivezero> whiz2_: su -l $user -c $command
[11:28] <pointfivezero> might work if the user has an empty password?
[11:29] <whiz2_> the user has a set password
[11:32] <juka> is there a DOWNLOAD LIMITER for linux? something like net-limiter in windows
[11:34] <ninniuz> hi I updated to feisty and I experienced something odd with knetworkmanager
[11:34] <ninniuz> using kwifimanager to get wireless access
[11:35] <SolidSource> and?
[11:35] <ninniuz> and when knetworkmanager is up as well even though not using it I cannot get web pages nor check mail with kmail
[11:36] <ninniuz> had to close it and everything works fine
[11:36] <ninniuz> any explanation for this behaviour?
[11:37] <SolidSource> well it is still only in development...so its probably something they haven't fixed
[11:37] <spikeh> Kubuntu 6.10 Edgy liveCD refuses to start any applications, including the installation script
[11:38] <SuPrem0> hi
[11:38] <spikeh> could this be related to "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[11:39] <SuPrem0> my kubuntu not start in my notebook travelmate 210
[11:39] <SuPrem0> why this????
[11:44] <pointfivezero> I have a question about kdevelop (tried there, no reply - yet): how do I set up the correct documentation for kdelibs etc?
[11:53] <crazy_bus> I'm trying to compile kaffeine but I'm getting this error.  What should I do? configure: error: could not find cdparanoia headers
[11:54] <Jucato> !info libcdparanoia0-dev | crazy_bus
[11:54] <ubotu> crazy_bus: libcdparanoia0-dev: Shared libraries for cdparanoia (development files). In component main, is optional. Version 3a9.8-13 (edgy), package size 44 kB, installed size 152 kB
[11:54] <Jucato> crazy_bus: here's a clue. when configure complains about not being able to find foo headers (foo stands for anything), try looking for a foo-dev package
[11:55] <pointfivezero> !info kdevelop
[11:55] <ubotu> kdevelop: An IDE for Unix/X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.4-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 7894 kB, installed size 24892 kB
[11:55] <pointfivezero> !info kdevelop-doc
[11:55] <ubotu> kdevelop-doc: An IDE for Unix/X11 - documentation. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.4-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 2410 kB, installed size 3080 kB
[11:55] <Jucato> !info kdelibs4-doc | pointfivezero
[11:55] <ubotu> pointfivezero: kdelibs4-doc: developer documentation for the KDE core libraries. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.1 (edgy), package size 39044 kB, installed size 325340 kB
[11:55] <crazy_bus> thanks.  I just thought that I had all packages since I installed build-essential and kde-devel
[11:55] <Jucato> pointfivezero: I'm still installing it now if it will install the KDE API reference in Kdevelop documentation
[11:55] <Jucato> crazy_bus: of course not. :)
[11:56] <pointfivezero> jucato: it was a doxyden index in /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdelibs-apidocs/ :)
[11:56] <Jucato> crazy_bus: build-essential - compiling tools; kde-devel - basic headers to compile basic kde apps
[11:58] <pointfivezero> jucato: it also didn't install htdig when I choose to install the kdelibs4-doc
[11:58] <Jucato> pointfivezero: it really won't. htdig is a separate package, nothing to do with it
[11:58] <Jucato> why it's not installed by default? sure as hell puzzles me
[11:59] <pointfivezero> how does it search documentation otherwise :s
[12:01] <pointfivezero> is there a shortcut key to start the default text editor?
[12:01] <fudgey> hey
[12:01] <Jucato> pointfivezero: none. but you can make your own
[12:01] <pointfivezero> using kmenuedit? will do :)
[12:01] <Jucato> pointfivezero: right-click on Kate in the K Menu -> Edit this item ->
[12:02] <fudgey> is it possible to run gdm without a graphics card in the configuration because I dont know what card im using and its not detected...
[12:03] <fudgey> ???
[12:03] <peibol> hola a todos
[12:03] <fudgey> hallo
[12:03] <peibol> tengo una duda rapida sobre la administracion de usuarios
[12:03] <fudgey> admin
[12:03] <peibol> a ver si alguien puede ayudarme....
[12:03] <Jucato> peibol: english please
[12:04] <peibol> better in english xD
[12:04] <fudgey> yes
[12:04] <Jucato> is that Portuguese or Spanish
[12:04] <peibol> i will try... y not practice english a lot time ago...
[12:04] <Jucato> ?
[12:04] <fudgey> LOL!
[12:04] <peibol> im spanish...
[12:04] <Jucato> !es
[12:04] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[12:04] <fudgey> Jucato
[12:04] <fudgey> thats hilarious
[12:05] <Jucato> fudgey: sorry. I wasn't trying to be funny
[12:05] <fudgey> o
[12:05] <fudgey> but how can you not know?!
[12:05] <Jucato> why? should I know?
[12:05] <fudgey> yeah
[12:05] <Jucato> why?
[12:06] <fudgey> unless you're lock outside frmo the world
[12:06] <peibol> please...i activate the root user...
[12:06] <Jucato> !sudo | peibol
[12:06] <ubotu> peibol: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[12:06] <Eltran> !fr
[12:06] <fudgey> how to activate root user?
[12:06] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:06] <Eltran> !ch
[12:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ch - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:06] <Eltran> !hk
[12:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:06] <Jucato> fudgey: sorry. but I hardly know how to differentiate those two
[12:06] <peibol> and now i want that my normal user will not have admin users
[12:06] <Jucato> !botabuse | Eltran
[12:06] <ubotu> Eltran: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[12:06] <Eltran> Jucato, are you a b0t ?
[12:06] <Jucato> Eltran: no
[12:07] <waylandbill> fudgey: change it's password.
[12:07] <Eltran> ok
[12:07] <Jucato> peibol: that page on RootSudo explains everything
[12:07] <fudgey> LOL
[12:07] <fudgey> thanks but yeah
[12:07] <fudgey> is it possible to run gdm without a graphics card in the configuration because I dont know what card im using and its not detected...
[12:07] <fudgey> ???
[12:08] <fudgey> gdm failed to start
[12:08] <fudgey> cuz the card configuration is wrong
[12:09] <fudgey> so I think I just guess what card im using
[12:09] <fudgey> ohh shiett
[12:09] <Jucato> fudgey: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to reconfigure X and set the graphics card properly
[12:10] <fudgey> I did about 40 times
[12:10] <fudgey> I dont know what card im using
[12:10] <ChaosEddie> I'm writing a college personal statement with a few words on OSS/ubuntu/copyleft etc. would anyone like to read, revise, help me on it? im just looking to make sure i didn't make TOO many mistakes.
[12:10] <Jucato> fudgey: if you don't know what your graphics card is, you can use the vesa driver as a temporary default
[12:10] <fudgey> THANKS!
[12:10] <Jucato> !offtopic
[12:10] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[12:10] <fudgey> that saved my fucking ass
[12:10] <Jucato> ChaosEddie: try #kubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:11] <ChaosEddie> Jucato: k thanks
[12:11] <waylandbill> fudgey: lspci will show your video card.
[12:11] <fudgey> ??
[12:12] <Jucato> fudgey: lspci command
[12:12] <Jucato> or "lspci | grep -i vga" if you want
[12:12] <fudgey> but that does work cuz xserver doesnt detect the right one
[12:12] <fudgey> lspci will show the wrong one
[12:12] <Jucato> fudgey: it will let you know what your video card is so you can properly/manually set the correct one
[12:13] <Jucato> er?
[12:13] <fudgey> foreal?
[12:13] <Jucato> lspci will show the correct one. xserver  can make detection mistakes
[12:13] <fudgey> AWESOME!
[12:13] <fudgey> Thanks again!
[12:15] <fudgey> this computer = nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600 GT] 
[12:15] <fudgey> old imac = shit
[12:16] <fudgey> il save my parents $1k for installing this system on that old cpu
[12:16] <fudgey> =)
[12:17] <Jerry> does anyone uses sonyericsson phone with bluetooth on kubuntu
[12:17] <fudgey> synchronize
[12:18] <fudgey> LOL
[12:18] <waylandbill> fudgey: then you can charge em $500. :-P
[12:18] <fudgey> awesome
[12:18] <fudgey> il do that
[12:18] <fudgey> =)
[12:18] <fudgey> jkjkjk
[12:18] <fudgey> NOT
[12:18] <fudgey> aw shit forgot the "pause"
[12:19] <pointfivezero> jerry:  try kmobiletools
[12:19] <pointfivezero> ah shit
[12:19] <fudgey> I use my palmone zire 72 with ubuntu!
[12:19] <waylandbill> fudgey: you can charge them for training instead. hehe
[12:20] <fudgey> =D
[12:33] <SolidSource> alright....out of no where problem...amarok won't start for nothing
[12:33] <la> hi
[12:34] <SolidSource> heres what runining in terminal gives http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6543/
[12:34] <la> how to instal any plugins for amarok ?
[12:35] <ubuntu> hi all
[12:35] <la> hi ubuntu
[12:35] <ubuntu> how are yoe<
[12:35] <ubuntu> you
[12:35] <donald> hi everybody :)
[12:36] <la> aha, i'm good, how are u
[12:36] <ubuntu> i'm fine, thanks
[12:36] <ubuntu> where are you?
[12:36] <SolidSource> alright....out of no where problem...amarok won't start for nothing and heres what runining in terminal gives http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6543/      I have tried amarok channel and amarok troubleshooting guide with no luck
[12:36] <donald> ubuntu can you help me with something?
[12:37] <donald> or can somebody else help me with something?
[12:39] <pointfivezero> donald: whats the prob?
[12:40] <la> i'm already here
[12:40] <la> and i'm from poland   and where are u from\
[12:41] <kg0wx> can anyone help with a wine question?
[12:41] <donald> i have two problems: i can't get .wmv videos to play, and i have kmplayer and mplayer downloaded, and they still dont work if opened with those programs, and i need help getting my conexant 56k modem installed and working
[12:42] <waylandbill> !ask | kg0wx
[12:42] <ubotu> kg0wx: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:42] <la> he asked my question<!
[12:42] <kg0wx> I need to make a desktop launcher calling up a windows program with wine.
[12:42] <donald> kg0wx, where did you get your wine from?
[12:43] <waylandbill> use wine as the program to start and the windows program to start as the argument to it.
[12:43] <waylandbill> donald: you may have problems getting the conexant modem working. That's a winmodem IIRC
[12:44] <waylandbill> for the wmv file, did you download the win32codecs?
[12:44] <donald> no i don't think i have. where would i download them from?
[12:44] <kg0wx> where do I enter the argument in the launcher create prog?
[12:44] <donald> adept package manager?
[12:45] <waylandbill> !RestrictedFormats | donald
[12:45] <ubotu> donald: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:46] <crazy_bus> I compiled kaffeine and I don't remeber seeing errors but when I load it I get this message ""
[12:46] <crazy_bus> Loading of player part 'xine_part' failed.
[12:47] <waylandbill> kg0wx: if you are doing a 'Create Link to Application' then you put all that in the Command box in the Application tab.
[12:47] <clau> crazy_bus:  maybe you should have compiled it with xine support? don't know if it's by default compiled
[12:48] <clau> try ./configure --help
[12:49] <kg0wx> I get an error saying it can't find the win prog. If I open a term window, then type cd <enter> then cd '/home/kg0wx/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/CoaxTrap' <enter> then Wine Trap <enter> it works
[12:52] <kg0wx> Basically, I need either to learn the right way to do this or how to make a batch file....
[12:52] <Eltran> I R NOOB U
[12:53] <donald> This https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats you gave me doesn't help much as it explains for Ubuntu, but I have Kubuntu. I am new to Kubuntu just started it 7 hours ago.
[12:53] <fudgey> BLENDER 2.43!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:54] <fudgey> zogm zomg
[12:54] <Eltran> I R NOOB U
[12:54] <kg0wx> never mind - I just figured it out
[12:54] <Tm_T> Mind to behave?
[12:55] <waylandbill> kg0wx: you need to specify that directory as the working directory.
[12:55] <kg0wx> I created a blank file on the desktop, wrote my terminal entries in it then selected open with bash
[12:56] <SolidSource> no ideas on: amarok won't start for nothing and heres what runining it in terminal gives http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6547/       I can see that its probably this "QImage::smoothScale: Image is a null image"...but can't find anything on it
[12:56] <waylandbill> kg0wx: that's another way to do it, but does it open a terminal up?
[12:56] <kg0wx> how do I specify the working directory?
[12:56] <kg0wx> Waylandbill: Yep :(
[12:57] <donald> ok guys another question: i am downloading and installing wine from adept package manager, and after that how will i run windows programs with it?
[12:57] <fudgey> has anyone installed the new blender?????
[12:57] <crazy_bus> I did ./configure --feature-xine but it still doesn't work
[12:57] <Tm_T> fudgey: Less ? thank you.
[12:57] <waylandbill> kg0wx: if you use the create link to application dialog, then the working directory is another box on the application tab
[12:58] <fudgey> LEss?
[12:58] <Tm_T> donald: Doubleclick exe, or run from konsole: "wine /path/to/program.exe"
[12:58] <krinns> hi all
[12:58] <Tm_T> fudgey: One questionmark is enough.
[12:58] <krinns> i need to update my konqueror
[12:58] <fudgey> awe come on
[12:58] <krinns> what new version is stable
[12:58] <Tm_T> fudgey: I will come...
[12:58] <krinns> n how i update that
[12:58] <fudgey> ITS BLENDER 2.43!
[12:59] <fudgey> well im thinking your not a designer
[12:59] <fudgey> most likely not 3d
[12:59] <fudgey> prob not 2d either
[12:59] <Tm_T> fudgey: I know well what Blender is and how good it is, still I recommend to behave.
[12:59] <fudgey> recomend me to behave
[12:59] <fudgey> .
[12:59] <Sekaab> bye and have fun
[01:00] <Tm_T> krinns: kubuntu.org has KDE upgrading stuff. :)
[01:00] <wsjunior> hi. i have here a fat32 partition that im able to mount and use but it doesnt appear under kde storage media, how to fix this?
[01:00] <waylandbill> donald: ubuntu or kubuntu installing win32codecs would be the same: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/WindowsCodecs
[01:00] <fudgey> why not just stick with ubuntu?
[01:00] <fudgey> whats the diff?
[01:01] <Tm_T> fudgey: KDE vs Gnome
[01:01] <wsjunior> does anybody here knows anything about media:/ ioslave?
[01:01] <Tm_T> wsjunior: What you need to know?
[01:02] <wsjunior> i have here a fat32 partition that im able to mount and use but it doesnt appear under kde storage media/
[01:02] <krinns> i need to update konqueror
[01:02] <krinns> only
[01:02] <wsjunior> Tm_T: any idea?!
[01:02] <Tm_T> krinns: Yes, well, it's same procedure anyway.
[01:02] <Tm_T> wsjunior: Yes, you need to add it to fstab
[01:02] <wsjunior> Tm_T: its already there dude
[01:03] <kg0wx> Thanks for the help guys, I got it. :)
[01:03] <wsjunior> Tm_T: do i need some special option there?!
[01:03] <Tm_T> wsjunior: Hmm, then it _should_ appear in media:/
[01:03] <wsjunior> Tm_T: ya i know it should
[01:03] <pointfivezero> mounted the device as /media/device?
[01:03] <Tm_T> pointfivezero: Not need to.
[01:03] <wsjunior> Tm_T: thats why im asking why it isnt there
[01:04] <Tm_T> wsjunior: Uhm, user mount allowed?
[01:04] <wsjunior> ya
[01:04] <wsjunior> rw also
[01:04] <Tm_T> D'oh, then I don't know, sorry.
[01:04] <Tm_T> Works perfectly here and here.
[01:04] <pointfivezero> Tm_T: ok, sorry - ill butt in some other time :)
[01:04] <wsjunior> here it just shows the root partition
[01:04] <donald> yes! i got wmv's to work on here!
[01:04] <Tm_T> pointfivezero: Who's butt is in?
[01:04] <donald> that last link you sent me worked perfectly
[01:04] <Tm_T> donald: :)
[01:05] <Tm_T> wsjunior: Ouch.
[01:05] <Woosta> 2 questions: how do I know what version of kubuntu I have installed .. and how do I upgrade to the latest? Surely it's more than just keeping my packages up-to-date ..
[01:05] <donald> Woosta thats a good question, I want to know the same.
[01:05] <Tm_T> Woosta: cat /etc/issue
[01:05] <Tm_T> Woops, not that!
[01:05] <Woosta> OK, that's #1 .. thanks :)
[01:06] <wsjunior> hehe
[01:06] <Woosta> Oh? it's close though .. just says Ubuntu :)
[01:06] <Tm_T> Hmm, no, yes thats ok, I did it wrong tab here. :p
[01:06] <Woosta> Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS
[01:06] <Tm_T> Yup, it's what you got.
[01:06] <waylandbill> the repositories in your sources.list determine which version you will have installed.
[01:07] <krinns> Tm
[01:07] <Woosta> Ahh
[01:07] <krinns> where i find that
[01:07] <krinns> n which version is good
[01:07] <Tm_T> krinns: kubuntu.org?
[01:07] <krinns> any idea
[01:07] <pointfivezero> Tm_t: now now, lets not get too frisky we don't even have each others sex and preference yet
[01:07] <Tm_T> There's newest stuff.
[01:07] <Woosta> So if I change my /etc/apt/sources.list to edgy, it will dist-upgrade
[01:07] <Tm_T> pointfivezero: It was you who said that!
[01:07] <Woosta> Or will it just turn into a pile of molten crud?
[01:08] <Tm_T> Woosta: Hmm, you should use "tool" for that, wait.
[01:08] <Tm_T> !upgrade
[01:08] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[01:08] <Woosta> ta
[01:08] <krinns> is there any way to ypdate konqueror through apt-get
[01:08] <Woosta> *exactly* what I want .. a doc .. so I only bother you guys with REAL questions :)
[01:08] <Tm_T> krinns: Yes, though you likely need to upgrade most of KDE along with it.
[01:09] <Tm_T> Woosta: Define real question. ;)
[01:09] <Woosta> Tm_T: For example: My wadge is stuck in a constant flench. Can anyone loan me a drengo?
[01:10] <pointfivezero> Tm_T: oops
[01:10] <Tm_T> Ok, time to test new hardware, have fun kids and remember to behave. ;) ->
[01:11] <darthdual> Woosta, Try some vasoline
[01:11] <Woosta> LOL
[01:11] <Woosta> thanks for the tip :)
[01:11] <krinns> well i have ubuntu
[01:11] <krinns> for some reasons am using konqueror on ubuntu
[01:11] <donald> Ohhh... this wine is working perfectly also.
[01:12] <donald> I'm going to try and install Firefox 2 using wine to run it
[01:12] <pointfivezero> donald: why do that?
[01:12] <donald> because when I install Firefox from adept package manager, it never shows up under Internet or anywhere else.
[01:13] <pointfivezero> so its not in the list?
[01:13] <darthdual> Linux Firefox acts silly sometimes, based on own experience
[01:13] <darthdual> I thought about what you're doing donald
[01:13] <donald> It is in the list available for download, but when I install it, it doesnt show up anywhere
[01:13] <darthdual> Let me know how that works
[01:14] <pointfivezero> tried firefox at the konsole?
[01:14] <johny_> hey, how to set a font in open office interface?
[01:14] <donald> i'll try again at Adept Manager, and hopefully it works
[01:15] <crazy_bus> a unofficial ubuntu kaffeine .deb is also not working.  I get the same error and when I expand the error message I get "xine_part.desktop not found in search path."
[01:15] <ofek> someone can help me ?????? i need help
[01:16] <ofek> i need to set my mouse to move slower
[01:17] <pointfivezero> ofek: settings:/Peripherals/Mouse
[01:17] <pointfivezero> put that inside konqueror
[01:17] <pointfivezero> as a url
[01:18] <donald> okay I downloaded and installed firefox from adept manager, and the only way i can open it is by using Alt+F2 and typing in firefox
[01:18] <pointfivezero> donald: you can manually add the menu entry using kmenuedit, internet=>new
[01:19] <pointfivezero> not sure if thats the best way to do it or not, but it works
[01:19] <donald> alright, and i just added a shortcut to the desktop and it works properly
[01:19] <donald> i like firefox more than konqueror
[01:19] <pointfivezero> sweet
[01:19] <Jucato> donald: it doesn't appear in the K Menu _> Internet?
[01:20] <waylandbill> firefox is placed in the K menu under internet
[01:20] <donald> no it doesnt
[01:20] <donald> i've checked again and again and its not there
[01:20] <n4cht> ahhh.  done playing WoW.  i feel better now.
[01:21] <crazy_bus> the install.txt file tells me to just type ./configure.  But the readme.txt tells me to ./configure --prefix=KDEDIR.  would following the readme instructions fix my problem?
[01:21] <Jucato> donald: please run this command in Konsole and then try checking again: kbuildsycoca
[01:21] <Jucato> donald: ignore the error messages
[01:22] <fudgey> BANANA!
[01:23] <pointfivezero> !kbuildsycoca
  If your K menu is out of date, like after installing an application and not finding it in the K menu, you should type "kbuildsycoca" in a terminal to rebuild the KDE configuration cache
[01:23] <fudgey> !ubuntu
[01:23] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[01:23] <Jucato> er?
[01:23] <fudgey> !jucato
[01:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jucato - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:23] <fudgey> =)
[01:23] <donald> oooo it appears under Internet now
[01:23] <pointfivezero> i wanted a definition to know what it does :)
[01:24] <Jucato> !kbuildsycoca
[01:24] <fudgey> =D
[01:24] <ubotu> If your K menu is out of date, like after installing an application and not finding it in the K menu, you should type "kbuildsycoca" in a terminal to rebuild the KDE configuration cache
[01:24] <Jucato> ok that's better
[01:24] <fudgey> !gimp
[01:24] <ubotu> gimp is an advanced image manipulation application for Ubuntu. See http://www.gimp.org for tutorials and more information.
[01:24] <fudgey> !blender3d
[01:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about blender3d - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:24] <fudgey> !blender
[01:24] <ubotu> blender is a free application for 3D modelling, animation, rendering, etc. You can install it from Ubuntu's repositories, and tutorials are at http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro
[01:24] <Jucato> !botabuse | fudgey
[01:24] <ubotu> fudgey: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[01:25] <fudgey> LOL!
[01:25] <Jucato> try not to flood the channel. thanks :)
[01:25] <fudgey> you are my brother
[01:25] <fudgey> my mean brother
[01:25] <Jucato> and btw, blender 2.43 has been released :P
[01:25] <fudgey> but I still love you!
[01:25] <fudgey> YEAH
[01:25] <Jucato> lol
[01:25] <fudgey> thats why
[01:25] <donald> what is blender?
[01:26] <fudgey> !blender
[01:26] <ubotu> blender is a free application for 3D modelling, animation, rendering, etc. You can install it from Ubuntu's repositories, and tutorials are at http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro
[01:26] <Jucato> unfortunately, I don't know if 2.43 will make it to Feisty
[01:26] <Jucato> donald: read up :)
[01:26] <Jucato> or down..
[01:26] <fudgey> =)
[01:26] <donald> lol.
[01:26] <Jucato> whichever direction you prefer
[01:26] <donald> i like to read sideways
[01:26] <fudgey> left to right?
[01:26] <donald> :] 
[01:26] <donald> right to left, actually
[01:27] <fudgey> awesome
[01:27] <crazy_bus> where is kde stored so I can link a compile to it?
[01:27] <Jucato> crazy_bus: er?
[01:28] <crazy_bus> ./configure --prefix=KDEDIR  (What is kubuntus default kde install directory)
[01:28] <donald> and to think I switched from Windows about 8 hours ago.. i <3 kubuntu
[01:29] <Jucato> crazy_bus: you can check with "kde-config --prefix" (it's /usr)
[01:29] <Jucato> crazy_bus: by default, if you don't specify --prefix=$KDEDIR, it will install in $KDEDIR
[01:29] <Jucato> so in this case ./configure --prefix=/usr will be redundant
[01:30] <crazy_bus> does that mean it wont fix my problem?
[01:30] <Jucato> what's the problem this time?
[01:30] <donald> hmmm... no LimeWire under adept manager.... :[
[01:30] <Jucato> !frostwire | donald
[01:30] <ubotu> donald: frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[01:31] <donald> well good god
[01:31] <donald> this bot knows everybody
[01:31] <darthdual> Anyone know how to do "internet sharing" on ubuntu
[01:31] <darthdual> routing
[01:31] <crazy_bus> Jucato: when I load kaffeine I get the error: Loading of player part 'xine_part' failed.   --details-- Loading of player part 'xine_part' failed.
[01:31] <darthdual> easily
[01:32] <cntb> \o
[01:32] <crazy_bus> I also get the same error on my compiled version and an unofficial .deb
[01:32] <cntb> jucato cannot recall easy solution to audio/x-wav to play wav in firefox
[01:34] <Jucato> crazy_bus: hm.. ok I'm thinking...
[01:34] <Jucato> cntb: hm... sorry no idea.. I don't use firefox
[01:34] <waylandbill> darthdual: easiest is to have a router. :)
[01:35] <cntb> ok jucato how do you play wav in konqueror
[01:35] <xoss> firefox might have some extensions available for download to play audio/x-wav
[01:35] <Jucato> crazy_bus: not really sure... but did you have libxine-dev installed when you compiled?
[01:36] <Jucato> cntb: it should just either launch Kaffeine or run the kaffeine or kmplayer embedded viewers
[01:36] <donald> ok guys i will be back in a bit, im going to update my installation of Kubuntu from 6.06 to 6.10
[01:36] <cntb> try to play this http://vancouver-webpages.com/plugins/diodes-wav.html
[01:36] <crazy_bus> Jucato: yes I had it installed.
[01:36] <Jucato> !upgrade | donald
[01:36] <ubotu> donald: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[01:37] <Jucato> cntb: ok hold on
[01:37] <donald> yup i am on that now :)
[01:37] <donald> is it worth upgrading?
[01:37] <geniusvicks> i'm trying to remove sun-java5-bin from my PC. When I use terminal I get this error ( http://www.pastebin.ca/363453 ). Plz help
[01:37] <Jucato> imho yes, if you want newer versions of apps
[01:37] <donald> ok
[01:37] <Jucato> crazy_bus: plays fine here. the embedded kmplayer is the one being used
[01:38] <crazy_bus> Jucato: wrong user
[01:38] <Jucato> er sorry crazy_bus
[01:38] <Jucato> cntb: plays fine here. the embedded kmplayer is the one being used
[01:39] <geniusvicks> anyone help
[01:39] <cntb> I see jucato. in konqueror it did it for me too
[01:39] <cntb> ty still I want firefox fully functional
[01:39] <donald> cntb, i just got my firefox working
[01:39] <cntb> myabe I will ask at irc.mozilla.org/firefox then
[01:39] <Jucato> cntb: you have mozilla-mplayer installed?
[01:40] <cntb> donald ? firefox to play wav ?
[01:40] <waylandbill> geniusvicks: run as super user (sudo) ?
[01:40] <christian23nv> hi there is there someone who can help me?
[01:40] <Jucato> !someone
[01:40] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[01:40] <cntb> is that the name mozilla-mplayer ? checking
[01:41] <Jucato> cntb: yep
[01:41] <christian23nv> ok i've got a problem with kubuntu it isn't recognizing wifi
[01:41] <moredhel> can someone tell me how to change the colour of the font of the other person in gaim? i'm using a dark theme and can't see their writing
[01:41] <cntb> installing now
[01:41] <cntb> bbl 5 min
[01:41] <Jucato> moredhel: check GAIM's settings or ask in #ubuntu because GAIM is a GNOME app and they might now better
[01:42] <moredhel> good point, thanks
[01:42] <moredhel> though i use it in kde ;)
[01:42] <Jucato> yep. but KDE doesn't really control GNOME apps' appearances
[01:42] <christian23nv> before try to install beryl wifi works ok, but after that wifi stop working
[01:42] <Jucato> at least not to a certain extent...
[01:43] <ForgeAus> hey all :)
[01:44] <waylandbill> moredhel: I don't think you can change their color. Tell them that you cannot read what they are typing.
[01:44] <ForgeAus> is there a way to change KDE so that I have to click twice to open things?
[01:44] <geniusvicks> waylandbill, I did that
[01:45] <ForgeAus> so that single click to selects double opens
[01:45] <Jucato> ForgeAus: System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Mouse
[01:45] <ForgeAus> thanx Jucato  :)
[01:46] <moredhel> no, i can't, and i did :P
[01:46] <cntb> ok donald have mozilla-mplayer
[01:46] <donald> no, i do not
[01:47] <donald> i'll go get it immediately :)
[01:47] <liviux> hi all guys
[01:47] <Jucato> cntb: working now?
[01:47] <waylandbill> moredhel: my daughter always uses a microscopic font, but I think she does it to irritate me.
[01:47] <donald> hi liviux :)
[01:47] <cntb> jucato . checking
[01:48] <moredhel> hehe
[01:48] <fudgey> good night
[01:49] <cntb> joe__: ?
[01:49] <donald> alright, i have mozilla-mplayer
[01:49] <donald> what did i need it for again?
[01:50] <cntb> donald firefox played wav right with mozilla-mplayer?
[01:50] <donald> i didnt test it. i just installed mozilla-mplayer about a minute ago. i dont even know what its for.
[01:50] <liviux> I would to know where is "modprobe.conf" file in Kubuntu system. Does anyone know this?
[01:51] <moredhel> does anyone know if there is any good documentation on making skins for kde or metacity/gtk ?
[01:51] <waylandbill> liviux: look at /etc/modprobe.d/
[01:51] <cntb> jucato suggested it would be the helper the plugin for mozilla firefoxto play wav
[01:51] <donald> i'm going to see if i am able to install this game that was made for windows..
[01:51] <Jucato> it's actually the plugin to play any media in firefox using mplayer
[01:52] <donald> does wine simulate the windows registry and directx?
[01:52] <lenscape> donald: yes
[01:53] <liviux> than you very much waylandbill
[01:53] <lenscape> donald: have you checked the compatibility list on winehq?
[01:53] <donald> oooo good then i can play this game..
[01:53] <lenscape> donald: not necessarily
[01:53] <lenscape> donald: but no harm in trying
[01:54] <donald> yes i will try and if it wont work then oh well :)
[01:54] <cntb> now looking here http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialMimeTypesAndApplications.html
[01:56] <mart81> Is there a place in kde where one can configure the amarok super-z/x/c/v/b keyys?
[01:57] <Jucato> mart81: Settings -> Configure Global Shortcuts
[01:58] <mart81> Jucato: wow, that was easy, i should have found this... Thanks!
[01:59] <donald> okay the installation of that game didnt go too well.
[02:00] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[02:00] <donald> When I insert the CD for the game to install, it comes up with the screen letting me select to Install, Play or Exit, and I click Install and it brings up InstallShield Wizard, and it then says it was interrupted before the installation could complete, but it doesn't appear installation even began.
[02:01] <tuco> Hi all. Anyone would know what Firefox cannot be downloaded or installed through adept or sudo?
[02:01] <donald> Tuco
[02:01] <ForgeAus> 2.0 I think
[02:01] <moredhel> can anything else?
[02:01] <donald> I just downloaded it from Adept Package Manager less than an hour ago.
[02:01] <waylandbill> donald: wine isn't 100% compatible, so you may run into problems. on top of that, the directx is only implemented as far as 8.
[02:01] <liviux> What does means "cannot connect to X server" from bash when I try to launch one file from root?
[02:02] <donald> oh. it requires DirectX9.0 although its a fully 2D game
[02:02] <ForgeAus> donald don't you hate that!
[02:02] <ForgeAus> me too...
[02:02] <donald> yes, very annoying
[02:03] <donald> but i am enjoying kubuntu more than i was windows xp 9 hours ago
[02:03] <BluesKaj> get an xbox or PS :)
[02:03] <esaym> anybody know anything about this repo: http://kubuntu.org/packages/
[02:03] <ForgeAus> hehe yeah kubuntu's kewl
[02:03] <esaym> Is it just for edgy or what?
[02:04] <Jucato> esaym: it contains KDE/Kubuntu specific upgrades and packages ranging from Dapper to Edgy (even Feisty)
[02:04] <ForgeAus> essaym yeah looks old
[02:04] <BluesKaj> old pkgs esaym
[02:04] <Jucato> ForgeAus: actually they're not
[02:04] <BluesKaj> kde 3.5.2 not old ?
[02:05] <Jucato> since when did Amarok 1.4.5 and KDE 3.5.6 become too old?
[02:05] <esaym> hmm, so shoudl I add it or not? lol
[02:05] <ForgeAus> isn't hoary old?
[02:05] <Jucato> esaym: only add the ones you need. instructions are in the various announcements in http://kubuntu.org
[02:05] <ForgeAus> ahh IC
[02:05] <Jucato> ForgeAus: please look at the whole list
[02:05] <ForgeAus> Jucato's right
[02:05] <ForgeAus> it has kde3.5.6 as well
[02:05] <esaym> Oh I see
[02:06] <esaym> thank you
[02:06] <BluesKaj> 3.5.6 test
[02:06] <BluesKaj> why?
[02:06] <ForgeAus>  kde-356/
[02:06] <tuco> Donald the message I get is: There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages
[02:07] <Jucato> BluesKaj: it's a repository. there's no rule on what should be. if the maintainers want to add a kde-356-test-failed directory, so be it. not everything there is supposed to be used anyway :)
[02:07] <mart81> donald: don't tell cartmen...
[02:07] <tuco> maybe my repositories are wrong?
[02:07] <esaym> ah here's something I can use: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-355.php ;)
[02:08] <BluesKaj> IC Jucato , so ppl who want an older more stable vers od pkgs have a place to get it ...I can dig that :)
[02:08] <Jucato> esaym: if you're on Edgy, the latest is 3.5.6
[02:09] <esaym> I use dapper
[02:09] <Jucato> BluesKaj: sometimes, that repo also holds test packages. hence the -test
[02:09] <tuco> ok yes repositories were wrong changed them and ot works now! Sweet me.
[02:09] <Jucato> esaym: ah ok. then 3.5.5 it is.. :(
[02:09] <BluesKaj> yup, gotcha , Jucato
[02:09] <donald> ok guys another question. i downloaded FrostWire from frostwire.com in the form of a .deb file for Ubuntu, how do i use this file?
[02:09] <ForgeAus> use dpkg to install it probably
[02:09] <waylandbill> donald: dpkg .. -i in this case.
[02:10] <ForgeAus> or rightclick it in konqueror and find the installer in the submenu
[02:10] <Jucato> right-click -> Kubuntu Package Menu -> Install Package to be exact
[02:10] <ForgeAus> thats the one
[02:10] <donald> oh yes i believe its working now =] 
[02:10] <esaym> Jucato: I am on 3.5.2 right now
[02:11] <esaym> I wonder what the changes are?  And why hasn't this be uploaded to the official repos?
[02:11] <donald> what do i type to reinstate the cache to the Internet under k menu
[02:12] <Jucato> donald: depends. usually it
[02:12] <Jucato> donald: depends. usually it's automatic
[02:12] <Jucato> but if for some reason, some app you installed doesn't show up, "kbuildsycoca" is the command
[02:14] <donald> it requires java right? is java defaultly installed with kubuntu?
[02:14] <ForgeAus> I almost wish it was!
[02:14] <donald> lol.
[02:14] <donald> that means i have to go throught the hassle of downloading it. great. :D
[02:15] <Jucato> donald: use the command line, "sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin"
[02:16] <Jucato> then "sudo update-alternatives --config java" and choose the Sun Java as your default Java version
[02:16] <ForgeAus> Jucato why not 6?
[02:16] <Jucato> you can have sun-java6-bin if you enable your backports repository
[02:16] <Jucato> presuming you're on dapper
[02:16] <Jucato> er.. I mean edgy
[02:16] <donald> im on dapper, and i replaced that 5 with a 6 and its downloading
[02:16] <Jucato> oh cool
[02:17] <Jucato> yeah both
[02:17] <Jucato> !info sun-java6-bin dapper-backports
[02:17] <ubotu> sun-java6-bin: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6-00-0ubuntu1~dapper1 (dapper-backports), package size 25604 kB, installed size 76680 kB
[02:17] <donald> i enabled all listed repositories when i was in Adept Manager and viewing repositories
[02:18] <Jucato> oh my :)
[02:18] <donald> is that bad?
[02:19] <Jucato> not really
[02:20] <donald> ok there i have java installed and set to default
[02:21] <donald> There now FrostWire works perfectly
[02:21] <donald> God I love Kubuntu.
[02:22] <ForgeAus> hehe
[02:22] <ForgeAus> LimeIce :)
[02:22] <BluesKaj> Frostwire sucks , i found that the result has very relationship to whatever you type into the searchbar
[02:23] <BluesKaj> little relationshp
[02:23] <donald> I am using FrostWire right now with no problems
[02:23] <BluesKaj> doh! , better have another coffee
[02:23] <donald> What I type in the search bar... it correctly gives me the correct results
[02:23] <Jucato> yay blender 2.43 runs! without compiling! :)
[02:24] <ForgeAus> I've had trouble with gnutella fabricating results
[02:24] <BluesKaj> must be looking for pron then :)
[02:24] <ForgeAus> blender is kewl :)
[02:24] <ForgeAus> what do you mean without compiling? klik? install/binary copy?
[02:25] <ForgeAus> most kubuntu apps from adept are simply installed not compiled right?
[02:25] <Jucato> ForgeAus: the .tar.gz they provide has an executable file already
[02:25] <Jucato> !info blender
[02:25] <ubotu> blender: Very fast and versatile 3D modeller/renderer. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.42a-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 6104 kB, installed size 16072 kB
[02:25] <Jucato> 2.43 was just released today
[02:25] <ForgeAus> I installed mine from adept
[02:25] <ForgeAus> but it probably isnt the version you said
[02:26] <Jucato> yep. the one in Adept is 2.42 ^^^
[02:26] <ForgeAus> lol I rarely have even used it but I've only ever heard good things about it
[02:27] <donald> alright guys i am going to go for now. thank you all for all your help :) you're great.
[02:27] <donald> i'll definitely be back.
[02:27] <BluesKaj> more eye candy ...get vista or OSX
[02:28] <Jucato> Blender is the reason why I'm on Linux right now...
[02:28] <ForgeAus> trying to get OSX
[02:28] <BluesKaj> :)
[02:28] <Jucato> indirectly... (and offtopic :P)
[02:28] <ForgeAus> blender worx under windows tho
[02:29] <vge> blender is in the repos if im not mistaken?
[02:29] <Jucato> let me rephrase that: Suzanne introduced me to Tux :)
[02:29] <Jucato> vge: yes. but not the latest release
[02:29] <Jucato> they're kind enough to provide an .tar.gz that needs no compilation
[02:29] <ForgeAus> vge its very recent
[02:30] <vge> well, i can only use 3dmax (barely) :)
[02:30] <ForgeAus> 3DStudioMax is like Autocad ++
[02:30] <Jucato> oh, then you'll probably hate blender's UI :)
[02:30] <ForgeAus> I found Blender quite comfortable
[02:30] <ForgeAus> I just had no idea what I was doing in it thats all :)
[02:30] <s3rv3r> hi an alle hier
[02:30] <vge> Jucato: yup :/
[02:31] <s3rv3r> ist hier wer der deutsch kann und sich was besser mit kubuto auskennt ?
[02:31] <Jucato> ForgeAus: I found it quite comfy too, and a bit closer to Lightwave's UI/workflow, which I was a bit used to
[02:31] <Jucato> but like you... I don't know what I was doing 95% of the time
[02:31] <tuco> Guys do you know the best options to have Kubuntu displayed properly on two screens? 1280 on the laptop and 1280x1024 on 19 inch lcd (Neovo F-419). I can't seem to have the resolutions working properly on each screen.
[02:31] <Jucato> !dual
[02:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dual - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:32] <Jucato> er...
[02:32] <Jucato> !dualhead
[02:32] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[02:32] <BluesKaj> !de | s3rv3r
[02:32] <ubotu> s3rv3r: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[02:35] <DrMight> this is the kubuntu support channel?
[02:35] <tuco> Basically when I run on 1280x1024 on the laptop it is displayed in more or less the same or bigger on the 19 inch and vice and versa. I tried a lot of stuff to no avail.
[02:35] <Jucato> DrMight: yes
[02:36] <DrMight> ok, got this problem at install, it hangs on: io scheduler cfq registered
[02:41] <DrMight> My install hangs on:  io scheduler cfq registered. any iedas?
[02:41] <wbadger> hello people can someone please recommend the best way to manage memory on kubuntu? it seems like every program says something different about the amount of RAM I'm using
[02:42] <johny_> Hey, what is in your opinion the quickqiest way to find out whether a program is installed in the system?
[02:42] <crystufer2000> OMFG!!!! I love kubuntu!!!
[02:42] <crystufer2000> I'm actually considering switching from my doze!
[02:43] <Jucato> !memory | wbadger
[02:43] <ubotu> wbadger: A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[02:44] <wbadger> Jucato, thanks :)
[02:45] <Jucato> johny_: command line: aptitude search <packagename>. it will give a list of packages matching that name. if the line start's with an 'i', that means the package on that line is installed
[02:47] <wbadger> johny_, I think a faster way would be to try `dpkg -l <packagename>` if you're using a debian distro
[02:47] <wbadger> johny_, (debian-based)
[02:47] <donald> Hey guys in need of some help again. Konversation is starting itself up at startup. How do I disable this?
[02:47] <johny_> Jucato: yeah, but it's quite slow -:)
[02:48] <Jucato> donald: completely close it (File -> Quit) before logging out
[02:48] <donald> Oh...
[02:48] <Jucato> johny_: slower than launching Adept, entering your password, and typing the package name to search?
[02:48] <johny_> Jucato: didn't mean that
[02:49] <johny_> Jucato: jus wanted to make a challenge
[02:49] <Jucato> what challenge?
[02:49] <johny_> Jucato: I mean, I wanted to see your ideas.._D
[02:49] <Jucato> :)
[02:50] <aziz> hey gals'n guys. is there a command line tool that can check files for spelling errors in the English language?
[02:50] <Jucato> johny_: wbadger way might actually be faster
[02:50] <johny_> Jucato: I like your idea
[02:50] <BluesKaj> !spelling
[02:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about spelling - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:51] <johny_> Jucato: what are you using anyway?
[02:51] <BluesKaj> !spellcheck
[02:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about spellcheck - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:51] <Jucato> johny_: aptitude
[02:51] <aziz> ubotu seems to know nothing regarding this :)
[02:51] <Jucato> aziz: I think aspell can be used in the command line
[02:51] <lumark> What?
[02:51] <aziz> ok, i'll have a look at it
[02:52] <lumark> You're...
[02:52] <BluesKaj> !aspell
[02:52] <ubotu> aspell: GNU Aspell spell-checker. In component main, is optional. Version 0.60.4-4 (edgy), package size 124 kB, installed size 1052 kB
[02:52] <johny_> Jucato: what's about wbadger? if you please of course :)
[02:52] <lumark> I love Wynton Marsalis
[02:52] <Jucato> johny_: <wbadger> johny_, I think a faster way would be to try `dpkg -l <packagename>` if you're using a debian distro
[02:53] <blue|palm> If I have taken something from an svn repo (mine actually) how do I gain write access to it? Ive been using windows up and till now so im not too clued up when it comes to linux :) I cant actually write to the files in the folder I have downloaded from the svn
[02:53] <johny_> Jucato: Ah....sorry :-|
[02:54] <wbadger> blue|palm, try chmod +w <file>
[02:54] <DrMight> any got an idead wht to do when my install hangs on  io scheduler cfq registered?
[02:54] <johny_> yeah "dpkg -l" is nice as well, but aptitude does dissplay a short list of similar packages
[02:55] <Jucato> DrMight: sorry, none
[02:55] <johny_> ther's also this diffrence "dpkg)=4 lett aptitude=8...
[02:55] <Jucato> johny_: and dpkg requires you to know the exact package name
[02:55] <johny_> Yeah that's to say
[02:56] <blue|palm> wbadger: what does the +w do?
[02:56] <johny_> I've been using "apt-cache" search so far, ...
[02:56] <Jucato> gives write access
[02:56] <wbadger> blue|palm, it gives you writing permission to <file> provided you are the owner of the file or root
[02:56] <johny_> I'm gonna define some aliases
[02:56] <Jucato> johny_: apt-cache is nice too, but not when you're trying to find out if something is installed or not
[02:56] <MetaMorfoziS> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1400 (linked before the parent post) is intresting
[02:57] <Jucato> johny_: alias search='aptitude search'
[02:57] <Jucato> johny_: that's one of mine
[02:57] <cntb> package names can be investigated thru >> sudo apt-cache search name
[02:57] <MetaMorfoziS> but, why they mess with fonts? My kde starts up 8sec with near 2000 fonts at my laptop, and 4-5sec on hot load...
[02:57] <blue|palm> wbadger: thanks
[02:58] <Jucato> cntb:  <johny_> Hey, what is in your opinion the quickqiest way to find out whether a program is installed in the system? <-- apt-cache search doesn't show if it's installed or not
[02:58] <Jucato> cntb: btw, no need for sudo there
[02:58] <cntb> OK Jucato
[02:58] <johny_> Jucato: that's true, the policy command does..
[02:59] <BluesKaj> when trying to find something i just type the name in konq ...it usually finds it ;)
[02:59] <Jucato> er?
[02:59] <blue|palm> wbadger: if i do that what you said (chmod) under sudo, it makes no difference and with no sudo it of course says operation not permitted
[02:59] <Jucato> johny_: that works too. although policy has a different usage
[03:00] <johny_> yeah I know
[03:00] <wbadger> blue|palm, well you see what you did with sudo is actually give the user "root" permissions to write
[03:00] <johny_> better time has just began...
[03:00] <Jucato> blue|palm: you only need to use sudo with chmod if your user doesn't have permissions to modify the file's permissions
[03:00] <blue|palm> wbadger: yeah, i figured that
[03:01] <wbadger> blue|palm, so what you need to do is perhaps sudo chmod a+w <file>
[03:01] <blue|palm> Jucato: now my user does not have permission to modify the file's permissions, how do i change that
[03:01] <johny_> what program are you using foe mailing lists?
[03:01] <Jucato> blue|palm: what exactly did you get from svn and what are you planning to do with it?
[03:01] <blue|palm> wbadger: thanks again
[03:01] <wbadger> blue|palm, the a is for "all"
[03:01] <blue|palm> Jucato: Its my own code lol
[03:01] <blue|palm> Jucato: Ive been using this svn repo from windows with no probs but im new to linux so everything is a little strange
[03:02] <Jucato> wbadger: if the file is owned by root, giving it +w won't really do much would it?
[03:02] <Jucato> johny_: kmail
[03:02] <Jucato> unless. it's rw-rw-rw-....
[03:02] <johny_> Jucato: just thought that -:)
[03:02] <wbadger> Jucato, notice I changed it to a+w
[03:02] <blue|palm> wbadger: a+w worked thanks
[03:03] <wbadger> blue|palm, :)
[03:03] <Jucato> would probably best if he changed the ownership of the file since it's his anyway...
[03:03] <blue|palm> wbadger: and youve taught me a little bit more :) thanks again
[03:03] <blue|palm> wbadger: how would you give only one user though?
[03:04] <wbadger> blue|palm, Jucato, that's right actually, you could simply make the file yours by using chown <user> <file>
[03:05] <wbadger> blue|palm, of course you will need to run that command with sudo because you still don't own it
[03:06] <johny_> I can't make my mplayer to run a movie under full-console mode. I tried to use "mplayer -vo fbdev" option but it doesn't start
[03:06] <blue|palm> wbadger: thanks
[03:09] <johny_> I do have all the codecs installed, when it fails to run prints "can't run /dev/ fb0"
[03:10] <johny_> "no such device"
[03:11] <Jucato> it seems to be searching for a floppy disk?
[03:11] <waylandbill> I thought fb is a framebuffer device
[03:12] <Jucato> oh yeah
[03:13] <ashields-WMF> hello, this is andrew shields from wikipedia, I'm trying to help someone use wireless with kubuntu edgy eft
[03:13] <ashields-WMF> I would GREATLY appreciate any help
[03:14] <abattoir> !wireless | ashields-WMF
[03:14] <ubotu> ashields-WMF: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:14] <ashields-WMF> thank you
[03:14] <abattoir> ashields-WMF: which chipset?
[03:14] <ashields-WMF> I'm an intern trying to solve a problem for a foundation member and I'm about to have a heart attack
[03:16] <BluesKaj> ashields-WMF, just ask your question
[03:16] <ashields-WMF> first: stupid question, do you need to reboot from windows xp to get into the linux OS?
[03:16] <abattoir> ashields-WMF: yes
[03:16] <abattoir> ashields-WMF: after POST, you'd be asked to choose which OS to boot into
[03:16] <abattoir> ashields-WMF: choose the linux entry instead of windows
[03:17] <ashields-WMF> gotcha, I'm going to ask him some more specific stuff, brb with more questions
[03:18] <ashields-WMF> anyone have a link to a hardware profile for hp dv5264ea?
[03:18] <ashields-WMF> need the name of the built in wireless card
[03:19] <ashields-WMF> got it
[03:19] <abattoir> ashields-WMF: are you on windows or linux now?
[03:20] <ashields-WMF> I'm on windows, not on his PC
[03:20] <ashields-WMF> he's sitting behind me
[03:20] <ashields-WMF> waiting
[03:20] <ashields-WMF> !!
[03:20] <ashields-WMF> what would be the best way to setup his network card?   	Intel PRO/Wireless 3945 802.11a/b/g Integrated Wireless LAN
[03:21] <ashields-WMF> he's able to connect in his windows OS, but not his kubuntu
[03:22] <abattoir> ashields-WMF: doesn't work out-of-the-box ?
[03:22] <waylandbill> might need to use ndiswrapper
[03:22] <abattoir> ok, dumb question...
[03:23] <johny_> how to disable "/away" command?
[03:24] <Jucato> johny_: /back
[03:24] <johny_> Jucato: thanks
[03:25] <waylandbill> ashields-WMF: my recommendation is to use ndiswrapper. it's not installed by default, so you'll have to get it installed. Easiest is to hook to wired LAN.
[03:26] <abattoir> ashields-WMF: are you on that laptop?
[03:29] <krinns> hi all
[03:29] <krinns> i am on ubuntu i have konqueuror  3.5.2-0ubuntu27
[03:30] <krinns> its crashing for some reason
[03:30] <krinns> i want to update this
[03:30] <krinns> what should i add in my source list
[03:30] <krinns> any idea
[03:30] <Ace2016> what version of ubuntu?
[03:30] <Jucato> krinns: are you on Dapper?
[03:30] <krinns> yes
[03:30] <Jucato> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-355.php
[03:31] <Jucato> KDE 3.5.5 for Dapper
[03:31] <krinns> but am using ubuntu
[03:31] <Ace2016> but kde 3.5.6 is available for dapper
[03:31] <UnKnownMan> how change mac address ?
[03:31] <krinns> i have a java based website which carshes it oftenly
[03:31] <Jucato> Ace2016: no it isn't
[03:31] <Ace2016> i mean edgy
[03:31] <Ace2016> i meant edgy
[03:31] <Jucato> krinns: you're using Konqueror on Ubuntu?
[03:31] <Jucato> Ace2016: but he's on Dapper..
[03:31] <Ace2016> but wrote dapper for somer eason
[03:31] <krinns> yes
[03:32] <krinns> my webased application only works on konqueror
[03:32] <krinns> am working on it to have it on firefox
[03:32] <Ace2016> krinns: any chance of talking you into being a kde user?
[03:32] <krinns> but for then am using konquror
[03:32] <krinns> no
[03:32] <waylandbill> :)
[03:32] <Eltran> I R NOOB U
[03:33] <Jucato> krinns: oh. do you have an updated Java installed? if you add the repository for kde 3.5.5 from Kubuntu.org, you can just upgrade konqueror and the related/depending packages
[03:33] <krinns> yes
[03:34] <krinns> yes i habe sun-jre-1.5
[03:35] <krinns> well i have kubuntu source pointed on my sourcelis
[03:35] <Jucato> krinns: specifically the one for kde 3.5.5 for dapper
[03:36] <krinns> but when i do apt-cache search konqueror its shows me the version i already have installed
[03:36] <krinns> how i add that in source list file to spicifically download that kde 3.5.5 konqueror
[03:36] <Jucato> krinns: just add one of the repositories given in that link I gave above
[03:37] <Jucato> krinns: also follow the instructions in downloading and adding the GPG key used to sign those packages
[03:37] <krinns> which link
[03:38] <Ace2016> add it to the sources.list, get synaptic to reloat or apt-get upate, and then find konqueror and right click on it and upate
 http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-355.php
[03:38] <Ace2016> reload*
[03:41] <krinns> why i sign those packages
[03:44] <Jucato> krinns: no you didn't sign those packages. they were signed by the packager. you need to download the GPG Key so that apt-get will know that it's a trusted repo. (instructions are on that page)
[03:47] <the-erm> Has anyone here ever installed kubutu on an Everex notebook?  I was thinking about getting one, and wista ... er vista home basic comes on it, and from what I understand of vista 1 GB of memory is required.  It only comes with 512.
[03:50] <waylandbill> that's nothing new. there was windows 98 systems sold with 16mb memory and xp systems with 256 or even 128mb of memory. That's called upgrades. :-)
[03:50] <BluesKaj> the-erm, kubuntu will run very nicely oa anotebook with 512MB memory
[03:51] <waylandbill> I can attest to that. I hardly ever use 512MB on this laptop.
[03:51] <BluesKaj> most linux memory is cached so don't listen to the ppl who say kubuntu uses it all
[03:52] <BluesKaj> it only appears so
[03:52] <the-erm> I guess it's one of those ... buy it and see. Kubuntu has been very nice to my cheapo $500 emachine desktop.  I couldn't get mandriva to install on it, so I'm pretty sure all I need to do pop in the cd and see what happens.
[03:52] <slyfox> Does anyone know anything about wine? Or channel I can talk to someone at? I just need to know how to enable Russian-Cyrillic fonts in wine ?
[03:53] <Jucato> slyfox: try #winehq
[03:53] <BluesKaj> my pc isn't the greatest .. altho 1G memory helps ...but i paid only 600 CDN for the box , it serves me well
[03:54] <skole> HI, someone who has conected Nokia 6233 with kubuntu?
[03:55] <slyfox> Jucato: thanks. Is there a good free virtual machine program for Linux?
[03:55] <BluesKaj> !VMWare
[03:55] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware
[03:55] <slyfox> skole: look at kbluetooth or kmobiletools forums
[03:55] <Jucato> slyfox: VMWare (free as in free beer) and Virtualbox (open source license)
[03:55] <skole> txs
[03:55] <slyfox> Jucato: any idea which one is better ?
[03:55] <Jucato> not really sure
[03:56] <Jucato> then there's also Xen and Qemu too
[03:56] <waylandbill> vmware server is a little better as you can make machines easier.
[03:56] <Jucato> I think you can do that with virtualbox as well
[03:56] <slyfox> Jucato: Free Virtual Machine Player for Linux - in package manager.    Player ? is that a media player
[03:57] <ashields-WMF> I'm sorry like 20 things just happened, I'm going to be back in a bit to try and solve this, waylandbill I copied down what you wrote, thanks
[03:57] <Jucato> slyfox: no. vmware-player allows you to run pre-made virtual machines (you can download some of them for free in the vmware site)
[03:58] <slyfox> Jucato: ah ok, so I have to grab the VMWare from official site
[03:58] <Jucato> slyfox: there's also http://www.easyvmx.com/ which lets you create virtual machines
[03:58] <Jucato> slyfox: no. you can just install vmware player from the repositories. but you need to find virtual machines (these are the virtual images) to use with vmware player
[03:58] <BluesKaj> Jucato, so you can't can't run an existing windows install in VMWare player ?
[03:59] <slyfox> Jucato: I was thinking of installing VMWare and then installing windows XP with it? No ?
[03:59] <Jucato> BluesKaj: nope
[03:59] <Jucato> slyfox: you can do that. please check the links given above
[04:05] <mitocondrio> hi
[04:05] <mitocondrio> ciao
[04:05] <mitocondrio> qualche italiano???
[04:06] <Jucato> !It | mitocondrio
[04:06] <ubotu> mitocondrio: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[04:07] <Ace2016> Desktop Environment of the Year - KDE (56.58%)
[04:07] <Ace2016> Yay
[04:07] <Ace2016> oh thats the linux questions thing
[04:08] <ScarFreewill> Ace2016: can you give me the link? i want to se the other de s
[04:09] <Ace2016> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=530202
[04:09] <ScarFreewill> Ace2016: thanks
[04:10] <Ace2016> gnome only had 30.56%
[04:12] <BluesKaj> gnome is too different for ppl moving to linux from windows
[04:12] <Ace2016> so why do people use it? since most of the people who switch to linux come from windows?
[04:12] <BluesKaj> kde is more familiar looking ...IMO anyway
[04:13] <Chousuke> Ace2016: Some people don't like KDE :)
[04:13] <Jucato> let's not get into a GNOME vs. KDE thing shall we?
[04:13] <BluesKaj> hehe:)
[04:13] <Chousuke> I'll just say I used to prefer Gnome over KDE for example.
[04:13] <ScarFreewill> Jucato: :-|
[04:13] <Chousuke> nowadays I use neither. :P
[04:13] <XenThraL> what do you use?
[04:14] <Ace2016> xfce?
[04:14] <Chousuke> Well, I'm on OS X at the moment. But on Linux I use ion3 or xfce4
[04:14] <BluesKaj> fluxbox, xfce
[04:14] <Ace2016> i was half right i guess
[04:14] <ele> KDE is the number 1  :) http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8040/skrmdump6hl4.png  my desktop :)
[04:14] <ScarFreewill> fluxbox is a window managers is it not?
[04:14] <Chousuke> yes
[04:14] <ScarFreewill> *manager
[04:14] <ScarFreewill> so its not really a desktop env
[04:14] <BluesKaj> some ppl just it tho
[04:15] <BluesKaj> use
[04:15] <Chousuke> not everyone needs a DE
[04:15] <ScarFreewill> i some times use dsl...
[04:15] <ScarFreewill> Chousuke: what do you mean? like cli?
[04:16] <ScarFreewill> !cli
[04:16] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[04:16] <Ace2016> cli is the lack of a desktop, so you can't call it a desktop
[04:17] <Chousuke> ScarFreewill: no, just a WM
[04:17] <ScarFreewill> but he said not everyone needs a DE and cli is not a de
[04:17] <waylandbill> I need a DE to make my CLI sessions look prettier. ;-P
[04:17] <Chousuke> Ace2016: that's not a good definition :/
[04:17] <ScarFreewill> waylandbill: yeah loving that transpricy
[04:17] <Chousuke> I can use the CLI in KDE.
[04:18] <Chousuke> or gnome.
[04:18] <Chousuke> or anywhere.
[04:18] <ScarFreewill> ok then just cl
[04:18] <Chousuke> that's not good, either ;P
[04:18] <ScarFreewill> ok then just bash?
[04:18] <Ace2016> i said cli isn't a desktop, and it isn't, cli is in konsole on your desktop, but still doesn't make cli a desktop
[04:19] <Chousuke> I never said it's a desktop, either.
[04:19] <Chousuke> but those have nothing in common. :/
[04:19] <Chousuke> I mean, it's comparing apples to oranges.
[04:19] <Chousuke> You can have a DE without a desktop :P
[04:19] <Chousuke> ScarFreewill: console?
[04:20] <waylandbill> tty
[04:20] <ScarFreewill> not everyone needs a DE, do you mean like fluxbox can be used without a de
[04:20] <Chousuke> yes.
[04:21] <ScarFreewill> ok now i get it :P
[04:21] <Ace2016> what does tty stand for?
[04:21] <Chousuke> I wonder if fluxbox would work as KDE's window manager in place of kwin
[04:21] <Ace2016> why would you want it to?
[04:22] <Jucato> Ace2016: TeleTYpe
[04:22] <Chousuke> well, perhaps fluxbox is more advanced than kwin :)
[04:22] <Jucato> Ace2016: if you wanted, for example, a faster or lighter wm, and don't mind losing kwin features or integration w/ KDE
[04:22] <Irayo|AFK> I'm trying to follow the instructions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo/Kubuntu but knetworkmanager and network-manager don't exist in my repository...?
[04:22] <ScarFreewill> beryl's efects but not the window manager
[04:23] <Ace2016> Jucato: oh ok
[04:23] <Ace2016> emerald is the window manager
[04:24] <Jucato> no
[04:24] <Jucato> Beryl is the window manager. Emerald and Aquamarine are Beryl window decorations
[04:24] <Ace2016> oh, emerald is teh windeco
[04:24] <Ace2016> the*
[04:24] <Ace2016> now i get it
[04:26] <ScarFreewill> Ace2016: my bad :P emerald then
[04:29] <the-erm> I tried Beryl and couldn't get it to go, it crashed X.  I think it might be my sub standard on board graphics card.
[04:29] <Chousuke> intel?
[04:29] <the-erm> I'm not worried about it so no help needed.
[04:29] <Chousuke> aren't they supposed to work pretty well
[04:30] <the-erm> Works good for me, not with Beryl
[04:30] <Chousuke> though beryl is new and still a bit unstable I suppose.
[04:30] <waylandbill> and then some
[04:30] <Chousuke> so it's not a surprise if you have trouble.
[04:31] <BluesKaj> beryl is merely eye candy and window dressing anyway ...it doesn't do anything to enhance the computing experience in the real world . :)
[04:31] <the-erm> I'll wait a couple of months, and try it again.  I'd rather not waste a bunch of cpu on rendering a nice desktop this one is good enough.
[04:31] <soulrider> BluesKaj: io use beryl, but i agree
[04:31] <Jucato> BluesKaj: technically it does.
[04:31] <Chousuke> BluesKaj: actually, it does.
[04:31] <Chousuke> it doesn't use the CPU for rendering :)
[04:31] <Chousuke> or shouldn't, anyway
[04:32] <BluesKaj> everyone has their opinion ,,, that was mine :)
[04:32] <Jucato> and "enhance computing experience" is a subjective term... your experiences may vary
[04:32] <soulrider> i dont think it really adds anything except for a few times
[04:32] <waylandbill> there are things that are useful. The window scaling is nice.
[04:32] <Chousuke> well it offloads rendering from the cpu to the gpu.
[04:32] <Chousuke> or should
[04:32] <Chousuke> should make things faster.
[04:32] <Jucato> Compositing window managers using AIGLX/XGL also technically have improved window drawing and handling
[04:32] <soulrider> i think what kinda useful about beryl is the expose kind of thing it has and the new alt tab
[04:33] <BluesKaj> yup , I suppose i'd use beryl if my graphics card wasn't so rudimentary or ATI :)
[04:33] <Chousuke> however, it's still alpha so I suppose the benefits aren't very visible yet.
[04:33] <soulrider> i feel so dirty, im using a theme that makes my windows look like vista, im gonna change it right now
[04:33] <Chousuke> but in the future a 3d-accelerated desktop will be standard in Linux too :P
[04:33] <BluesKaj> hehe'
[04:33] <Jucato> or not so evident. everyone's focusing on the eye candy
[04:34] <ScarFreewill> this is my opinion, beryl is merely eye candy, it does not make your pc better but it atrackes pll to linux
[04:34] <Jucato> Chousuke: that would largely depend on the openness of graphic drivers in the future
[04:34] <Jucato> (of course opinions don't always reflect reality...)
[04:34] <Chousuke> ScarFreewill: but the point is that it's *not* merely eye candy
[04:34] <soulrider> ScarFreewill: the alt tab is quite useful and so is window scaling
[04:34] <Chousuke> people just see the eye candy, but it's the underlying technology that matters more.
[04:35] <Chousuke> and most people don't have a clue about that :P
[04:35] <BluesKaj> I tried a RC Vista last fall for a few days ..nice graphics etc .. too bad my dvdrom wouldn't work and my network ...was lucky it even saw the router i guess
[04:35] <ScarFreewill> ok maybe not but when i used it, it was basicly just eye candy
[04:35] <Chousuke> ScarFreewill: you think that because that's what you see :/
[04:35] <waylandbill> Many computer users don't appreciate the code that goes into programs either. That's just the way it is
[04:36] <ScarFreewill> I have Vista, it sucks i hate it
[04:36] <Jucato> ScarFreewill: that's why it's "underlying", you don't "see" it :)
[04:36] <soulrider> ScarFreewill: why do you have it then ?
[04:36] <ScarFreewill> soulrider: its not woth the effort to through it away
[04:36] <soulrider> ScarFreewill: just format the partition and youll get more free space!
[04:36] <waylandbill> fdisk
[04:37] <ScarFreewill> Jucato, Chousuke i used beryl long time ago
[04:37] <ScarFreewill> soulrider: i ment the dvd, i don't have it on my pc anymore
[04:37] <soulrider> ahh
[04:37] <soulrider> ScarFreewill: i think i have  avista dvd around.. somewhere... full of dust and dirt
[04:38] <BluesKaj> ScarFreewill, why did you dump it ?
[04:38] <hofnarr> r
[04:38] <soulrider> i use beryl but i barely have any effects on
[04:38] <Chousuke> ScarFreewill: The real good thing about beryl is that it takes advantage of 3d acceleration, and as a side-effect you get nice eye-candy and a snappier desktop. :)
[04:38] <ForgeAus> hmmm how do you run linneigbourhood?
[04:38] <LjL> if it worked, yeah :p
[04:38] <Chousuke> that is, unless you encounter bugs in beryl :P
[04:38] <BluesKaj> ScarFreewill, does kubuntu do everything you want and need ?
[04:39] <ScarFreewill> BluesKaj: the weather bar is wasted, it tells me my non pirated software is pirated lots of resons
[04:39] <LjL> Chousuke: "unless", haha
[04:39] <Chousuke> LjL: yeah
[04:39] <waylandbill> s/unless/when/
[04:39] <Chousuke> maybe in a year or so it'll be okay.
[04:39] <ForgeAus> kde4 will have some 3D beryl-like funcitonality
[04:40] <ScarFreewill> BluesKaj: i just use xp when i lan and that was like last year last, otherwise i use kubuntu
[04:40] <Chousuke> most people are pretty excited about it.
[04:40] <LjL> so i heard
[04:40] <soulrider> ScarFreewill: vista tells you its pirated while its not?
[04:40] <LjL> anyway hope beryl and friends will be up to speed fast. i don't care much myself (though i wouldn't mind *good* acceleration for the desktop), but the vista factor, you know
[04:40] <cpalmerini> ccccccccccccccccc
[04:40] <LjL> yes, i see
[04:41] <waylandbill> :)
[04:41] <Chousuke> KDE4 sounds like it might be really good, but I won't be expecting too much. :P
[04:41] <cpalmerini> et
[04:41] <ScarFreewill> soulrider: no, if i install like my printer driver it tells me its pirated software and i must put in the origanal cd LOL it sucks
[04:41] <LjL> i'm scared of it. i'm afraid it'll take out all the features i like :P
[04:41] <BluesKaj> i would migrate totally to kubuntu except for some video stuff and scanner programs..the kooka scanner program works but not as well the HP version in windows...things like that are important to us
[04:41] <ScarFreewill> Chousuke: same here about kde4
[04:41] <soulrider> somewhere i heard KDE had some big funding issues, but i dont know if its true
[04:42] <ScarFreewill> i just wonder how the new kicker will be in kde4
[04:42] <waylandbill> ScarFreewill: that was one of the problems reported. If you change too much of the system, it counts against your installation number limitation.
[04:42] <soulrider> how different can it be? =/
[04:42] <LjL> no idea... the current plasma and friends sites look more like hype than anything else :P
[04:43] <ScarFreewill> i use kbfx with kicker atm i don't like the user frienly ness of kbfx, but it does its job
[04:43] <Jucato> LjL: depends on who you put under "friends"
[04:43] <fanscore> !fr
[04:43] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[04:43] <LjL> Jucato: eh, whatever the kicker replacement is called
[04:43] <ForgeAus> wow microsoft services for linux installs (interix) basically a linux subsystem for windows
[04:43] <Jucato> plasma :)
[04:43] <LjL> yeah, well then plasma and no friends
[04:44] <Jucato> LjL: unlike the other KDE 4 project though, major Plasma work can't really start until the libs really start to settle down. which is why it's a bit late
[04:44] <Jucato> er.. that shouldn't have been addressed to you LjL
[04:44] <soulrider> uhm.... wth is palsma? :P
[04:44] <LjL> well, i was interested anyway
[04:45] <Jucato> !plasma
[04:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about plasma - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:45] <Jucato> er.. sorry
[04:45] <LjL> i'm not sure i like the sound of it at any rate... interpreted applets? hmm
[04:45] <Jucato> soulrider: http://plasma.kde.org/
[04:45] <soulrider> thanks Jucato
[04:47] <ForgeAus> hmmm
[04:47] <soulrider> it sais youll eb able to write add ons in java :) maybe i can create some
[04:47] <Jucato> javascript, I think. not java
[04:47] <soulrider> it sais both
[04:47] <Jucato> ok
[04:47] <LjL> aka from bad to worse
[04:48] <Jucato> anyway, the only visible development so far from the Plasma corner is krunner. most of the other changes are under the hood... so nothing to be announced yet
[04:48] <Jucato> LjL: well, it doesn't mean that they will be using only those solely :)
[04:48] <soulrider> !krunner
[04:49] <LjL> hope so. and hope we won't see a load of terrible interpreted applets installed by default
[04:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about krunner - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:49] <Jucato> soulrider: nothing in ubotu :)
[04:49] <soulrider> damn :(
[04:49] <Jucato> as superkaramba is a sort of "inspiration" for Plasma, you can expect python too :)
[04:49] <Jucato> of course, KDE is still C++ mostly... but they're trying to push for other languages too
[04:49] <soulrider> i **NEED** to learn python and C++
[04:50] <ForgeAus> hehe Python is kewl!
[04:50] <soulrider> no one ever uses java.... :(
[04:50] <ForgeAus> C++ isn't such a huge step from Java
[04:50] <Jucato> er.. let's not get into those things in here ok?
[04:50] <ForgeAus> the syntax is very similar
[04:50] <soulrider> ill be learning c++ this semester
[04:50] <Jucato> not surprising, Java is based on C/C++
[04:50] <Jucato> soulrider:  good luck :)
[04:50] <LjL> KDE isn't C++ anyway :P
[04:51] <ForgeAus> I thought alot of KDE was Python-based
[04:51] <Jucato> ForgeAus: you're confusing KDE with Kubuntu
[04:51] <angasule> uh? KDE uses lots of C++
[04:51] <Jucato> LjL: KDE -> Qt -> C++
[04:51] <BluesKaj> is plasma going to be the "new look" for kde4 ...is that what the site implies ?
[04:51] <LjL> Jucato: well no, it's some custom language that happens to be strikingly similar to C++, which is compiled into a C++ program before being compiled to machine code ;P
[04:52] <angasule> LjL: hehehe
[04:52] <LjL> BluesKaj: the site is devoid of any real contents IMHO :P
[04:52] <Jucato> say what you want. Qt is still C++ :)
[04:53] <BluesKaj> so plasma is just going to be a layer that runs on top of kde ?
[04:54] <LjL> Jucato: sure, just like this is:
[04:54] <LjL> !p2c
[04:54] <LjL> :P
[04:54] <Jucato> BluesKaj: right now, it's a bit hard to define.
[04:54] <ForgeAus> what so its going to be plasma -> KDE -> QT -> Xwindows -> KERNEL ?
[04:54] <ubotu> p2c: Pascal to C translator. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.21alpha2-2.1 (edgy), package size 311 kB, installed size 764 kB
[04:54] <ForgeAus> Pascal is awesome :)
[04:54] <Jucato> ForgeAus: huh?
[04:54] <LjL> ForgeAus: you mean like right now it's Kicker -> KDE -> blah blah?
[04:54] <Jucato> Plasma *is* part of KDE
[04:54] <Chousuke> pascal :(
[04:54] <Jucato> LjL: Plasma isn't a single app
[04:54] <Jucato> er sorry
[04:55] <Jucato> ForgeAus: Plasma isn't a single app
[04:55] <Chousuke> We were forced to use pascal to draw and animate pictures :(
[04:55] <LjL> Jucato: surely, it's a plasmatic concept :)
[04:55] <ForgeAus> you mean plasma is an interface that basically integrates many KDE elements? right?
[04:56] <LjL> oh, in the end it's going to be the KDE shell minus file browser, if i can make a bet
[04:56] <Jucato> ForgeAus: for now, we can loosely define Plasma as a project and a concept
[04:56] <ForgeAus> btw LjL kde isn't just kicker... kicker is just the panelbar/kmenu
[04:56] <LjL> that we know
[04:57] <LjL> plasma surely isn't going to be the entirety of KDE either. they'd call it "KDE" otherwise :)
[04:57] <Jucato> of course :)
[04:57] <Jucato> but then, we can go philosophical and discuss on what "KDE" really refers too... (re: aseigo's blog)
[04:58] <ForgeAus> omg microsoft linux for windows.. erm sorry microsoft services for unix is 200+mb!
[04:58] <LjL> he, let's not even get started on that
[04:58] <Jucato> :P
[04:58] <Jucato> let's not :)
[04:58] <ForgeAus> I thought it was an abbreviation for K DEsktop... as for what the K part stands for I don't know
[04:59] <Jucato> it doesn't stand for anything anymore really
[04:59] <LjL> Jucato: my views are roughly expressed in this document i wrote when i had nothing else to do https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KnowThyUbuntu but then it says everything and nothing :)
[04:59] <ForgeAus> otherwise it could just as easily have been TDE or JDE or YDE, of course it'd be silly if it was IDE or CDE...
[05:00] <Jucato> ForgeAus: there is/was a CDE already
[05:00] <ForgeAus> Jucato thats why I said it'd be silly if it was CDE
[05:00] <Jucato> that's why they couldn't call it Cool Desktop Environment
[05:00] <ForgeAus> thats unix's desktop environment right?
[05:00] <Jucato> LjL: oookay.... a document I should read when I have nothing else to do, too :)
[05:00] <ForgeAus> oh so its kewl (or kool?) desktop environment?
[05:01] <ForgeAus> 217 mb to be more exact...
[05:01] <LjL> Jucato: :-P well anyway only the part about desktop environments is pertinent to the discussion here
[05:02] <dwidmann> Hmmm, what does this look like to [insert your  name here] : http://images.xnowherex.net/booterror.jpg
[05:02] <ForgeAus> is there a Motif desktop environment?
[05:02] <waylandbill> It's because K came after L
[05:02] <ForgeAus> is there even a Motif window manager?
[05:03] <Jucato> ForgeAus: http://kdemyths.urbanlizard.com/myth/55
[05:03] <waylandbill> in some alphabet. Forget which one.
[05:03] <ForgeAus> the greek one?
[05:04] <waylandbill> whichever one K comes after L. :-)
[05:04] <ForgeAus> wayland why L I mean LDE?
[05:04] <ForgeAus> Greek K is before L.. kappa lambda
[05:05] <waylandbill> L was the first letter of linux.
[05:05] <ForgeAus> what do you mean was? did they go and change it on us or something?
[05:05] <waylandbill> :-/
[05:06] <ForgeAus> lol I'm just kidding
[05:08] <waylandbill> it's because it was before in the latin alphabet.
[05:09] <waylandbill> The "K" originally stood for "Kool" ("C" as in "cool" was already given away to the Common Desktop Environment), but was changed soon after to stand simply for "K", which is "The first letter before 'L' (which stands for Linux) in the Latin alphabet."
[05:10] <Jucato> [00:02]  <waylandbill> It's because K came after L
[05:10] <waylandbill> Jucato: guess what. I was incorrect. :-)
[05:11] <Jucato> :)
[05:11] <waylandbill> that's what you get for listening to me. :-P
[05:11] <Jucato> I was just watching you try to "prove" your earlier statement :)
[05:12] <joyrider> Hi, newbie question - where do programs normally go? Starting with the root?
[05:12] <waylandbill> Jucato: I knew I had something wrong and went looking for the source.
[05:13] <waylandbill> joyrider: normally /usr/bin
[05:13] <ForgeAus> http://kdemyths.urbanlizard.com/myth/69 I disagree with this one
[05:13] <joyrider> waylandbill: thanks :)
[05:13] <joyrider> what goes to /lib ?
[05:13] <ForgeAus> Kate and Ark at least are "built into" konqueror
[05:13] <Jucato> huh?
[05:13] <ForgeAus> juk can be indepenant  not sure about amarok
[05:13] <Jucato> ForgeAus: do you actually know what you're talking about?
[05:14] <waylandbill> joyrider: kernel related libraries.
[05:14] <ForgeAus> yes the myth that says kde forces "me" to install applications I don't want
[05:14] <Jucato> Kate is not built into Konqueror. it is a separate app, but part of kdebase
[05:14] <waylandbill> joyrider: program libraries tend to go in /usr/lib
[05:14] <ForgeAus> hmmm ark at least
[05:14] <Jucato> ForgeAus: don't confuse what KDE provides/ships and how distros provide KDE packages
[05:15] <Jucato> ForgeAus: Ark is not even part of kdebase.
[05:15] <ForgeAus> not sure why the page mentions JuK that doesn't have to be installed
[05:15] <Jucato> it's in kdeutils
[05:15] <Jucato> because it doesn't
[05:15] <Jucato> (at that time, Juk and Kaboodle were the more popular media apps)
[05:16] <ForgeAus> (Amarok replaced them?)
[05:16] <ForgeAus> but doesn't Konqueror require Ark?
[05:16] <Jucato> in popularity
[05:16] <Jucato> er no
[05:17] <Jucato> technically konqueror doesn't require anything except kdelibs and some stuff from kdebase
[05:18] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:18] <ForgeAus> hmmm so its just a konqueror-integrated app in kubuntu desktop?
[05:19] <ForgeAus> adept didn't like me wanting to remove ark...
[05:19] <waylandbill> it doesn't even suggest ark
[05:19] <waylandbill> konqueror that is
[05:19] <Jucato> ForgeAus: you're talking about kubuntu-desktop metapackage
[05:19] <ForgeAus> I wouldn't expect it to suggest
[05:20] <ForgeAus> jucato yes the kubuntu-desktop metapackage its just an app that integrates into konqueror thats in the metapackage?
[05:20] <Jucato> ForgeAus: some KDE Apps like Ark, Kate, Kaffeine, have KParts. basically, these are embeddable parts of the apps that you can use in other apps, like Konqueror
[05:20] <Jucato> this is why it "looks like" Konqueror is integrated with Ark and vice versa
[05:20] <ForgeAus> kinda like ole?
[05:20] <waylandbill> kinda
[05:20] <Jucato> ForgeAus: kubuntu-desktop has nothing to do with KDE
[05:20] <Jucato> ForgeAus: kinda. but OLE done right
[05:22] <ForgeAus> yeah I know kubuntu desktop has nothing to do with kde (although kde is a part of the package - or at least kubuntu's built-in kde)
[05:22] <Jucato> ForgeAus: kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage (a package that depends on/points to/installs other "real" packages) that installs the necessary packages that make up a default *Kubuntu* (not KDE) system
[05:22] <Jucato> it just so happens that Kubuntu wants Ark to be installed by default, as the default archive program for Kubuntu
[05:22] <joyrider> hmm, having a little trouble installing TeamSpeak manually. I can't run the script which installs the app, I've already changed the install path to /usr/bin/ ?
[05:23] <Jucato> so the kubuntu-desktop metapackage depends on Ark. trying to remove Ark will remove kubuntu-desktop *only*.
[05:28] <krinns> hay i dont have apt-key
[05:28] <ubuntu> hi i got a problem
[05:28] <ubuntu> i accidentaly clicked on create new partition table on my disk
[05:28] <ubuntu> and all my partiotions with data r lost
[05:29] <ubuntu> is there any way how can  i restore my partiotions and data as well please?
[05:29] <waylandbill> ubuntu: did you back up your data first?
[05:30] <ubuntu> waylandbill:  no :[
[05:30] <ubuntu> r are those data lost?
[05:30] <ForgeAus> erm there are some recovery programs around but its klunky at best...
[05:31] <ubuntu> any way i can restore plz?
[05:31] <waylandbill> there is not an easy answer
[05:32] <ForgeAus> ubuntu you can recreate empty partitions easily enough but recovering the data isn't easy...
[05:32] <ForgeAus> and normally even if you try you need a space to store the recovered data... which isn't guaranteed to be reliable at all
[05:32] <ubuntu> :[
[05:33] <ubuntu> ok thx so i will installl kubuntu
[05:33] <ForgeAus> I'm sorry but partitions can be nasty to mess with
[05:33] <ubuntu> and never again fkn suse
[05:34] <waylandbill> you have plenty of space now :-)
[05:34] <ForgeAus> I don't like suse either
[05:34] <ubuntu> i will also install windows
[05:34] <ubuntu> can QTparted make ntfs partitions as well<
[05:34] <ForgeAus> XP and Kubuntu dual boot well together :)
[05:35] <waylandbill> ubuntu: you'll want to install windows first and it makes ntfs just fine
[05:35] <ForgeAus> um not certain but I'd suggest doing Windows first
[05:35] <ubuntu> ok
[05:35] <ubuntu> thx
[05:35] <uranther> can someone help me with compiling gtk-webcore? i get this error on ./configure http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6588/
[05:36] <ForgeAus> hmmm.. damn dind't get a chance to tell him not to make the entire diskspace full with the ntfs part
[05:36] <uranther> i have those packages in version 2.0 afaik
[05:37] <hatta> uranther, you probably need the development packages
[05:37] <hatta> so glib-2.0-dev for instance
[05:37] <uranther> oh
[05:37] <uranther> ok that makes sense
[05:37] <Jucato> might also want to ask in #gtk if there's a channel like that
[05:38] <uranther> thanks :)
[05:44] <uranther> that worked hatta
[05:46] <WashAmOnster> Can anyone help? I can't get my video card to function with kubuntu.  If I go to update my video drivers it locks me off my desktop! I'm on a Desktop PC with a Radeon x700 card 1GB of ram, Intel p4 3.2 Processor.  My Radeon wont even launch kubuntu live CD without me tampering with my xorg.conf and setting it to use Vesa drivers, let alone upgrade to FGLRX it locks me out of my desktop.  What do I do?
[05:47] <uranther> get a NVIDIA video card :P
[05:47] <uranther> there is a radeon driver for X
[05:47] <uranther> not sure how it works with the newer cards though
[05:47] <WashAmOnster> Which doesn't involve changing my video card.  I can't afford to change right now and it's a PC that I'm borrowing from work so I can't change parts
[05:48] <WashAmOnster> The x700 is a fairly common card, there has to be some work around?
[05:48] <BluesKaj> WashAmOnster, use the vesa drivers for ( edgy 6.10) until you can install the binary fglrx driver from here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-d8c6fd05bce340dfc3ad483abf0e18997868540b
[05:49] <donald> Can somebody help me with getting my conexant 56k modem working?
[05:49] <uranther> WashAmOnster: installing the binary ATI drivers is a pain, but it can be done
[05:49] <ForgeAus> wash that works for my Radeon 9600 AGP all in one wonder card... x700 is kinda like the next step up ffrom that...
[05:49] <uranther> most of the time..
[05:49] <ForgeAus> (pcie possibly)
[05:49] <WashAmOnster> That's hte problem, after upgrading to the new drivers it locks me out of my desktop
[05:49] <ForgeAus> still it should work fine...
[05:50] <WashAmOnster> and it's PCI-E
[05:50] <donald> Can somebody help me with getting my conexant 56k modem working?
[05:50] <ForgeAus> Wash perhaps theres some configuraiton fault?
[05:50] <ForgeAus> I highly doubt its the x700 thats the only problem
[05:50] <BluesKaj> donald, we heard you the first time ...if someone can they will
[05:51] <donald> sorry BluesKaj i have OCD
[05:51] <juka> O M G!!!!!!!!
[05:51] <juka> Linux DC++ downloaded stuff into a folder that does not exist!
[05:51] <juka> wtf?!?!
[05:51] <ForgeAus> doesn't exist?
[05:51] <ForgeAus> are you certain?
[05:51] <juka> where do I find the files I downloaded?!?!?!
[05:51] <cpk1> it probably made it
[05:51] <juka> yes! it says bla bla bla/Znet
[05:51] <juka> and the real folder is bla bla bla/ZNet
[05:51] <juka> with a capital N
[05:52] <ForgeAus> juka I don't know much about DC++ but it might be in a folder that has a . before it
[05:52] <ForgeAus> that might be hidden from you
[05:52] <donald> what's the big hipe about? lol.
[05:52] <WashAmOnster> Hm, I might try with another distro to see if it's just a kubuntu problem.  Maybe gentoo or something
[05:52] <BluesKaj> OCD ?
[05:52] <cpk1> juka: look in your home directory for a dccrecv folder
[05:52] <donald> yes: obsessive compulsive disorder
[05:52] <ForgeAus> or if you have not got root priveleges you might not see the rest of the filesystem above the /home directory
[05:52] <BluesKaj> donald, then go wash yer hands :)
[05:52] <juka> there are few files
[05:52] <juka> nothing
[05:53] <juka> i tried to search
[05:53] <ForgeAus> lol BK... that wasn't funny
[05:53] <juka> nothing
[05:53] <DonMCN> lol
[05:53] <DonMCN> I'm not that type of OCD
[05:53] <juka> like it downloaded nothing!
[05:53] <ForgeAus> not for serious OCDers anyway
[05:53] <DonMCN> there are different types of OCD
[05:53] <WashAmOnster> Gentoo is a pain to set up though
[05:53] <ForgeAus> wow really I didn't know there were different types
[05:53] <BluesKaj> yes i know ... we all have a touch of it in different forms i think
[05:54] <ForgeAus> Many do, ADD is often highly related to OCD
[05:54] <ForgeAus> (I myself have ADD)
[05:54] <srdjant> Hi, I need a certain package, but can't find it in the apt repositories [multiverse/universe included] . What can I do?
[05:54] <BluesKaj> I'm just lazy
[05:54] <srdjant> I need m68k-linux-gcc
[05:54] <ForgeAus> it also links into likelyhoods of getting dependant/addicted to things like drugs and alcohol ...
[05:55] <BluesKaj> google it srdjant , usually there's arepos somewhere
[05:55] <ForgeAus> srd you mean for a powerpc?
[05:55] <srdjant> I found this: http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/source/emile   but says package not avaliable
[05:55] <juka> how do i enable linux kubuntu to show hidden files&folders???????????
[05:55] <srdjant> ForgeAus: no I need this for a x86 to cross-compile
[05:55] <ForgeAus> srd, wish I could help you..
[05:56] <cpk1> juka: if you are using a console its ls -a
[05:56] <ForgeAus> qemu can emulate (well more like virtualize) most of those systems but its not a good solution...
[05:56] <juka> i'm using GUI
[05:56] <cpk1> juka: otherwise in konquerer there is an option to show hidden files
[05:56] <juka> i can't find it
[05:57] <ForgeAus> view menu?
[05:57] <juka> yeah
[05:57] <juka> i found it
[05:57] <juka> but how do i make the change permanent?
[05:57] <juka> so I don't have to click show hidden files everytime?
[05:57] <ForgeAus> I think it stays if you don't change it
[05:58] <ForgeAus> at least it has done for me sofar
[05:58] <Dr_willis> Yep - i think so
[05:58] <juka> okay...
[05:58] <juka> this is unbelieveable!
[05:58] <ForgeAus> the default is for it to be off tho, so if you upgrade or something it might possibly go back ... but otherwise shouldn't be a problem
[05:58] <ForgeAus> (with any luck)
[05:58] <juka> the files aren't anywhere on my PC
[05:59] <juka> wtf did Linux DC++ do with them?!?!!?!?!
[05:59] <cpk1> if you used konversation i think it creates a dccrecv folder in your home directory when you dcc something juka
[05:59] <ForgeAus> juka check out where the program saves things too
[05:59] <ForgeAus> there aught to be a setting to alter that
[05:59] <BluesKaj> yes it does juka , cpk1
[05:59] <ForgeAus> go therough the menus or to preferences/options or whatever DC++ calls it
[06:00] <juka> it saves to a folder that does not exist
[06:00] <ForgeAus> there's likely a way to change where to save the files to, I'd be suprised if there wasn't
[06:00] <juka> okay, i found the dc++ folder in my home
[06:00] <ForgeAus> then just copy that path and paste it in konqueror
[06:00] <ForgeAus> or browse there :)
[06:00] <cpk1> ah, so it does exist after all =)
[06:01] <juka> THE FILES ARE THERE OMG!
[06:01] <juka> BUT
[06:01] <juka> they are "incomplete"
[06:01] <juka> while actually they are complete
[06:01] <juka> will just have to rename them
[06:01] <juka> guys, thanks a lot (tear in my eye) :)
[06:01] <cpk1> now scroll up 10 minutes ago to when i first said they were in the dccrecv folder...
[06:01] <ForgeAus> awww... how sweet...
[06:02] <ForgeAus> good luck with ur downloads juka
[06:03] <juka> the folder was hidden
[06:03] <juka> i don't get it why 95% of the linux folders are hidden
[06:03] <juka> not like i can do any harm not using root
[06:03] <cpk1> dccrecv shouldnt be hidden its not .dccrecv
[06:03] <DonMCN> Can somebody help me with mounting this other hard drive of mine? It worked in Windows before I reformatted to Kubuntu.
[06:04] <juka> the folder is /home/juka/.dc++/Incomplete
[06:04] <juka> not really dccrecv
[06:04] <bodzio> hrello
[06:04] <DonMCN> It gives me this error: Could not mount device. The reported error was: mount: can't find /dev/kdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[06:05] <cpk1> kdb is a logical name?
[06:05] <Dr_willis> ive never heard of that one.
[06:05] <DonMCN> sorry
[06:05] <DonMCN> its hdb1
[06:05] <BluesKaj> DonMCN, is it a seperate drive or a partition on the same drive ?
[06:05] <cpk1> that makes alot more sense =)
[06:05] <DonMCN> It is a seperate drive
[06:06] <cpk1> DonMCN: is it formatted? if so what file type? and is it all one partition?
[06:06] <DonMCN> The hard drive that works is under system:/media/hda1
[06:06] <DonMCN> It was formatted in Windows under NTFS.
[06:06] <DonMCN> and that's the last formatting i've did to it.
[06:07] <DonMCN> and its all one partition, yes
[06:07] <cpk1> DonMCN: do you have a folder in /media already created where you want to mount it?
[06:07] <cpk1> or anywhere on your system relly
[06:07] <cpk1> really*
[06:08] <DonMCN> yes its been there and its named 15G Media
[06:08] <DonMCN> and it has a hard drive icon
[06:08] <DonMCN> My other hard drive it says 38G Media and has a hard drive icon
[06:09] <cpk1> DonMCN: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /media/somefoldername doesnt work?
[06:09] <schuppi> The Desktop-Live-Install tells me, that I didn't choose a root-filesystem
[06:09] <schuppi> Is this a known bug?
[06:09] <DonMCN> I am in the Storage Media folder where it lists what i have
[06:09] <juka> in K3b, if I leave the "Multisession" on "Auto" rather than "No Multisession" does it mean I can write more sessions on one dvd?
[06:10] <DonMCN> my 38G Media hard drive is already under hdb1
[06:10] <cpk1> DonMCN: so its mounted then?
[06:11] <DonMCN> yes my 38G Media one is, but not my other one, 15G Media
[06:11] <DonMCN> I'm trying to get my 15G Media one to mount
[06:11] <cpk1> DonMCN: so whats the logical name of the 15g media?
[06:11] <DonMCN> hdb1
[06:12] <DonMCN> ooo my 38G Media is under hda1
[06:12] <cpk1> DonMCN: soooo "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /media/somefoldername"
[06:14] <lontra> hi i'm thinking of migrating my opensuse box to kubuntu but i'm not really sure if i'd be gaining anything and i fear that i'd lose a lot of the nice customizations that opensuse has done...i.e. beagle integration with konqueror, kickoff, etc.
[06:14] <lontra> also i've heard that kubuntu is slow...any opinions
[06:15] <DonMCN> Kubuntu is awesome :)
[06:15] <cpk1> "slow"? if your already using kde then i doubt there would be a difference
[06:15] <cpk1> dunno about beagle though
[06:15] <DonMCN> cpk1: that returns this mount: mount point /media/somefoldername/ does not exist
[06:16] <DonMCN> ok i changed somefoldername to 15G Media and it came up with a bunch of things
[06:16] <cpk1> DonMCN: errors?
[06:16] <DonMCN> not errors
[06:17] <DonMCN> donald@donald-desktop:~$ sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1/ /media/15G Media/
[06:17] <DonMCN> Usage: mount -V                 : print version
[06:17] <DonMCN>        mount -h                 : print this help
[06:17] <cpk1> hrmm maybe its -o ne second
[06:17] <DonMCN>        mount                    : list mounted filesystems
[06:17] <BluesKaj> lontra, i dumped suse due to the yast repos problem...kubuntu is much more stable and sensible in it's package manager setup and useage.
[06:17] <DonMCN>        mount -l                 : idem, including volume labels
[06:17] <DonMCN> So far the informational part. Next the mounting.
[06:17] <DonMCN> The command is `mount [-t fstype]  something somewhere'.
[06:17] <DonMCN> Details found in /etc/fstab may be omitted.
[06:17] <HymnToLife> !paste | DonMCN
[06:17] <ubotu> DonMCN: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:17] <DonMCN>        mount -a [-t|-O]  ...     : mount all stuff from /etc/fstab
[06:17] <DonMCN>        mount device             : mount device at the known place
[06:17] <DonMCN>        mount directory          : mount known device here
[06:17] <DonMCN>        mount -t type dev dir    : ordinary mount command
[06:17] <DonMCN> Note that one does not really mount a device, one mounts
[06:18] <cpk1> no its -t ntfs
[06:18] <DonMCN> a filesystem (of the given type) found on the device.
[06:18] <DonMCN> One can also mount an already visible directory tree elsewhere:
[06:18] <DonMCN>        mount --bind olddir newdir
[06:18] <DonMCN> or move a subtree:
[06:18] <DonMCN>        mount --move olddir newdir
[06:18] <DonMCN> A device can be given by name, say /dev/hda1 or /dev/cdrom,
[06:18] <cpk1> stop pasting
[06:18] <DonMCN> or by label, using  -L label  or by uuid, using  -U uuid .
[06:18] <DonMCN> Other options: [-nfFrsvw]  [-o options]  [-p passwdfd] .
[06:18] <DonMCN> For many more details, say  man 8 mount .
[06:18] <DonMCN> sorry..
[06:18] <DonMCN> sorry i have never heard of it.
[06:18] <DonMCN> i did that
[06:18] <DonMCN> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6595/
[06:19] <HymnToLife> DonMCN, you have a space in your mountpoint, you need to escape it
[06:19] <HymnToLife> /media/15G\ media <= like this
[06:20] <DonMCN> use a \ instead of a space?
[06:20] <HymnToLife> no
[06:20] <cpk1> no use \ before the space
[06:20] <waylandbill> both
[06:20] <DonMCN> oh ok
[06:20] <HymnToLife> put a \ _before_ the space
[06:20] <HymnToLife> not instead of it
[06:20] <cpk1> which is why I always use underscores instead of spaces since you cant always tab complete
[06:20] <Dr_willis> 'spaces hurtzzzzzzz us.... massssster.....'
[06:20] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:21] <DonMCN> now it says /media/15G Media/ does not exist
[06:21] <HymnToLife> make sure it exists then :p
[06:21] <DonMCN> i did and it exists with a space in the name under Storage Media
[06:21] <DonMCN> and its unmounted
[06:22] <cpk1> DonMCN: do this: sudo mkdir /media/test
[06:22] <DonMCN> k
[06:22] <cpk1> DonMCN: and then: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1/ /media/test
[06:22] <DonMCN> ok
[06:24] <DonMCN> What it gave me: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6596/
[06:24] <cpk1> oops i copy pasted your code on accident sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /media/test
[06:26] <DonMCN> ok it mounted, but now it tells me Could Not enter folder /media/test.
[06:26] <cpk1> DonMCN: kdesu konquerer
[06:27] <cpk1> and then navigate to it
[06:27] <tuco> Hello all. I need some help with my audigy card please. Thank you
[06:28] <Dr_willis> tuco,  still fighting that PCMCIA audigy card?
[06:28] <DonMCN> ok it let me, but there is a Recycler and System Volume Information folders in it. must i leave them there?
[06:28] <tuco> Ah Willis geez yes
[06:28] <cpk1> DonMCN: is there any data on this drive that you need to keep?
[06:29] <DonMCN> cpk1: nope
[06:29] <tuco> I have no idea why it is not fucntioning, the onboard sound works though and comes out from the laptop speakers.
[06:29] <cpk1> DonMCN: then you should make it easier on yourself and format it to ext3
[06:29] <DonMCN> can you give me instructions on how to do so?
[06:30] <Dr_willis> tuco,  the logic of that statement eludes me.. :)
[06:30] <DonMCN> i'm completely new to kubuntu, as you can tell, but i can work it if i receive instructions
[06:30] <Dr_willis> tuco,   ive never used 2 sound cardss however.. so there maybe some easy way to 'switch' alsa to default to the other.
[06:30] <Dr_willis> assuming that card is getting seen/configured right.
[06:30] <waylandbill> DonMCN: QtPartEd will do that for you.
[06:31] <tuco> Well I have the onboard sound functioning and coming out of the inbuilt laptop speakers, I want the sound to come out from the 2.1 system that I have and by using the pcmia audigy 2 zs card :-)
[06:31] <cpk1> i think easiest way would be to do sudo mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 right Dr_willis?
[06:31] <DonMCN> waylandbill: where do you find QtPartEd
[06:31] <Dr_willis> tuco,  your card is a ------>  PCMCIA Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Notebook
[06:32] <Dr_willis> correct?
[06:32] <tuco> yes my Lord
[06:32] <BluesKaj> Dr_willis, doesn't he have to blacklist one card so the other will be the default
[06:32] <Dr_willis> tuco,  aparently it does work in some of the newer disrtos.. suse 10.2 forums mention it.
[06:32] <tuco> It worked last time I used Kubuntu a few months ago :-)
[06:32] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  thats possible... ive always disabled the onboard in bios.. but since its a laptop..
[06:33] <Dr_willis> tuco,  thats a good sign then.
[06:33] <Dr_willis> !alsa
[06:33] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[06:33] <BluesKaj> yes in the peripherals
[06:33] <waylandbill> DonMCN: it's on the installation cd.
[06:33] <tuco> no possibility to disable onboard sound in my laptop :-)
[06:33] <Dr_willis> there may be some alsa docs at that url to tell it what sound card to use.
[06:33] <juka> something is not right with this Linux DC++ ................. the directories i set to share he shares the whole drive, or my home dir or something else....... ?
[06:33] <lerneaen_hydra> is there a known problem with the recent update to GRUB?
[06:33] <DonMCN> let me go get the installation cd
[06:33] <lerneaen_hydra> in the APT reps
[06:34] <Dr_willis> tuco,  easiest way would be to figure out what the onboard sound card is using (for modules) and blacklist them in  /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[06:34] <tuco> Somebody gave me a trick here a while ago, but I lost my notes :-(
[06:34] <tuco> so I do sudo....?
[06:34] <cpk1> DonMCN: just do sudo aptitude install qtparted
[06:34] <waylandbill> DonMCN: if you're already running, then get it out of the apt repo.
[06:34] <tuco> Intel HDA is what is been used
[06:34] <DonMCN> oh ok
[06:35] <DonMCN> let me load that up here
[06:35] <DonMCN> i can get it from Adept Package Manager?
[06:35] <waylandbill> correct
[06:35] <Dr_willis> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_change_default_soundcard
[06:35] <Dr_willis> looks like it has some info. :) not suer how Good it is
[06:35] <Dr_willis> tuco,  what does            sudo asoundconf list
[06:36] <Dr_willis> show.
[06:36] <DonMCN> i go to load adept and it looks like its loading on the bottom and it just keeps doing that until it disappears lol
[06:36] <Apoc> hello?
[06:36] <DonMCN> ok its getting things
[06:37] <Dr_willis> hello....
[06:37] <Apoc> ok, i've got a question.
[06:37] <Apoc> i can't for the LIFE of me figure out how to change the desktop resolution
[06:37] <tuco> it doesn't show up even though it shows in Kmix
[06:37] <Dr_willis> tuco,  yea..neither does mine.. that guide may be old now. :(
[06:37] <tuco> back in 4
[06:38] <Apoc> anybody have a clue :(
[06:38] <Dr_willis> Apoc,  you installed the proper drivers for your video card? (what is your video card?)
[06:38] <Apoc> Geforce 6600GT
[06:38] <Apoc> i'm running off a live CD
[06:38] <hellcattrav> hey Firefox isn't working
[06:39] <Dr_willis> in that case you may not be able to change the res.
[06:39] <Apoc> until i can get a spare HDD to install for real on
[06:39] <Apoc> hm
[06:39] <Apoc> ok then.
[06:39] <Dr_willis> there MAY be some livecd-cheat codes you can use to force it higher.. but not sure.
[06:39] <Dr_willis> i rarely use the kubuntu livecd.
[06:39] <cpk1> Apoc: how much ram you have?
[06:39] <Apoc> 2 gigs
[06:39] <hellcattrav> i tried to go to imdb.com  but it stopped
[06:40] <cpk1> then you should be able to install the nvidia drivers ^^
[06:40] <Apoc> hm, ok
[06:40] <cpk1> and then restart X
[06:40] <Apoc> nvidia.com?
[06:40] <BluesKaj> usually it can be changed at the prompt , before the livecd loads
[06:40] <cpk1> Apoc: use apt
[06:40] <Apoc> ? apt?
[06:40] <slyfox> How do I backup my Cron jobs ? Where are they located ?
[06:40] <Apoc> i'm new to this whole linux thing, trying to get away from winXP
[06:40] <cpk1> Apoc: thats why ubuntu is so cool
[06:40] <Dr_willis> restrting X on the live cd - wont kick the system into reboot/shutdown? :)
[06:40] <Dr_willis> seen some lame livecd's that do that.
[06:41] <cpk1> Dr_willis: no idea, he should still have tty1 though
[06:41] <cpk1> Apoc: apt is how you will be downloading everything
[06:41] <waylandbill> If no linux experience it may be simpler to wait until installation is possible.
[06:41] <Apoc> ah, gotcha
[06:41] <Dr_willis> sad that we cant have live cd's with the proper drivers... :(
[06:41] <Apoc> haha
[06:41] <Dr_willis> but thats the silly comanies for ya
[06:41] <BluesKaj> yeah i think F3 is the help button before the live cd loads X
[06:42] <Apoc> ok, well thanks for the help guys, i've gotta get going
[06:42] <cpk1> Apoc: follow these instructions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[06:42] <Apoc> most likely i'll be back this way soon
[06:42] <tuco> it shows now Willis!
[06:42] <tuco> in the sudo asoundconf list
[06:42] <johny_> do you know is there any script for uninstalling all the videos drivers in the ystem?
[06:42] <janek> Hi i have problems with czech characters in opera menu, is there any czech user ? :)
[06:43] <hellcattrav> how can I get firefox to work?
[06:43] <BluesKaj> !cz
[06:43] <ubotu> esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[06:43] <slyfox> Has anyone tried Kubuntu Feisty Herd 4 ?
[06:43] <cpk1> hellcattrav: sudo aptitude install firefox
[06:43] <BluesKaj> slyfox, what's yer hurry ?
[06:44] <johny_> !cz|janek
[06:44] <ubotu> janek: esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[06:45] <tuco> OH yes it worked! Audigy2 now functioning...one down :-)
[06:47] <cpk1> Dr_willis: now that I think about it, you could probably go to tty1 then stop kdm and start it up again, that probably would run the least risk of killing X going into shutdown
[06:48] <CapaH> Does anyone here use kvpnc ?
[06:48] <slyfox> BluesKaj: because I just got a new laptop - latest hardware, perhaps feisty will have a good support for it. It is just that upon isntalling Edgy 6.10 I will do a lot of updates to kde 3.5.6 and many other ones. I also heard that faisty has a better laptop support
[06:49] <sredna> hi
[06:49] <srdjant> Is there a package for m68k-linux-gcc anywhere? I can't find it in multiverse/universe in dapper.
[06:49] <cpk1> slyfox: for what its worth on my 3 year old laptop fiesty is working jsut fine, but remember fiesty is use at your own risk
[06:49] <sredna> do you know if there is a nonbroken konversation package available somewhere that can be installed on kubuntu?
[06:50] <tuco> Well I want to play stuff in Amarok but connot load the cd...ah well I will found out.Thanks for your help Willis and the others...I will be back :-)
[06:50] <trav> ok so i don't know what to firefox didn't work after i tried getting it with sudo aptitude install firefox, and it's still not working
[06:51] <sredna> cpk1: i have heard that the feisty packages should be better, but i'm in edgy
[06:51] <cpk1> sredna: this is on edgy
[06:51] <sredna> cpk1: and there are various problems with the package
[06:51] <sredna> i have 1.01 too, but it doesn't work well
[06:52] <cpk1> ?
[06:52] <slyfox> cpk1: so by instlaling fiesty, and just keeping up with all the updates, I will have the final release when it comes out ?
[06:52] <cntb> !????
[06:52] <sredna> well, i have a text filter that does not work, but i'm told by the konversation maintainer that it works in other distros packages
[06:52] <cpk1> slyfox: pretty sure thats how it works
[06:53] <cntb> !mime
[06:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mime - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:53] <cpk1> text filter? you mean autoreplace?
[06:53] <sredna> for highlighting
[06:53] <cntb> why not write a factoid about mime guys ?
[06:53] <sredna> what ever they call it
[06:54] <cpk1> test
[06:54] <sredna> cpk1: dont think it is easy
[06:54] <cpk1> say test for me sredna =P
[06:54] <slyfox> cpk1: But I will not be able to install Edgy packages in faisty ?  I mean if the site has a prepackaged Edgy .deb file, will I be able to install it ?
[06:54] <sredna> test is not the issue
[06:54] <sredna> maybe foo/bar/test/baz
[06:54] <cpk1> sredna: nevermind some else said test in another channel and it highlighted it for me
[06:55] <cntb> my /etc/mailcap has this line
[06:55] <sredna> cpk1: you are not listening
[06:55] <cntb> audio/x-wav; vlc '%s'; nametemplate=%s.wav; description="WAV Audio"; test=test -n "$DISPLAY"
[06:55] <cpk1> slyfox: you will "be able to" install it =P
[06:55] <cpk1> sredna: so what isnt working?
[06:56] <cntb> was there a split 30 sec. ago ?
[06:56] <sredna> cpk1: i have a filter 'kate', and it works in most cases, but not in the kde-commits channel where 'kate' is usually in a path, like '/trunk/KDE/kdelibs/kate/part/...'
[06:56] <sredna> very inconvenient
[06:57] <cpk1> sredna: so you were saying your example of foo/bar/test/baz shouldnt have highlighted for me?
[06:57] <sredna> cpk1: that is what happens for me
[06:57] <pixelation> how do I go into wine... find an .exe file I like... link it to desktop?  wouldn't I have to have the "wine" wine command written in a very small script or something?
[06:58] <cpk1> sredna: odd, because it highlighted for me =\
[06:58] <sredna> cpk1: i can't explain that
[06:59] <sredna> i just wish it would work for  me too
[06:59] <klaus__> hallo
[06:59] <waylandbill> pixelation: right click the desktop, select new link to application and in the dialog use a command "wine path/to/program" and make sure to set the working directory
[06:59] <soulrider> hi!
[06:59] <pixelation> waylandbill, you rock, thanks!
[07:02] <atidem> hello
[07:07] <Kite_DH> a little question, i updated from KDE 3.5.5 to 3.5.6...how can u get 3.5.5 again?
[07:07] <ForgeAus> lol intersting question not sure why you'd want to...
[07:08] <Kite_DH> because 3.5.5 was running better..somehow
[07:08] <ForgeAus> um not sure how that some of them downgrades work....
[07:08] <Kite_DH> but if not, i'll leave it
[07:09] <waylandbill> 3.5.6 is in an addon repo yet isn't it?
[07:13] <janek> how i can configure aliases for bemused server ?
[07:15] <drbeams> hi, i am looking for some promotional posters in scribus that i can post
[07:16] <srdjant> hmm, pmount mounts remvable storage as noexec :(
[07:30] <Kite_DH> i wish mplayer plugin for mozilla would have a volume control -_-
[07:31] <eXistenZ> Kite_DH, keep wishing! ;-)
[07:32] <Kite_DH> eXistenZ: i want to know where to request that stuff, lol
[07:33] <Assid> heya
[07:34] <Assid> i currently got 6.06 already installed. i just got the 6.10 dvd..
[07:34] <Assid> should i reload and install from scratch
[07:34] <Assid> OR .. should i just update
[07:34] <Kite_DH> ...im a noob, but i wuold update i think...ask the pros here
[07:34] <Kite_DH> dunno where they are lol
[07:34] <Assid> to be frank, i dont really have much data in there anyways
[07:35] <Assid> so i dont mind a fresh install either which way
[07:35] <Kite_DH> if u dont mind of ur file
[07:35] <Kite_DH> files*
[07:39] <ForgeAus> !tarballs
[07:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tarballs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:39] <ForgeAus> seriously? wow
[07:39] <ForgeAus> !tarball
[07:39] <ubotu> Files with ".tar.gz", ".tar.bz2" or ".tgz" extensions are compressed archive formats, similar to ZIP files. See !tar for extracting them. Some of these files contain programs in source code form; see !compile for getting them to run.
[07:39] <ForgeAus> !compile
[07:39] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[07:49] <main2> i would like to convert my ext3 system partition to XFS, is this hard to do..?
[07:49] <main2> (i do have various live distro discs :)
[07:49] <cntb> \o
[07:49] <cntb> check that http://www.juancarlosproductions.com/2.htm . how do I hear it in FF2
[07:49] <Xbehave> how can i find a problem in a peryl script
[07:50] <weatherman> hi, I have a usb modem, sometimes it connects to the internet sometimes it doesn't, does anybody know why?
[07:53] <janek> can any1 help me how to share internet with mobile phone via bluetooth ?
[07:53] <dodo> yo
[07:53] <dodo> :P
[07:54] <dodo> any body speak romanian?
[07:56] <archangel_> I have a hacking question
[07:57] <archangel_> (for my parents)
[07:57] <archangel_> anyone?
[07:58] <archangel_> I have a hacking question
[07:58] <archangel_> remote desktop programs
[07:59] <archangel_> wow am I the only one here alive?
[08:00] <parkerw207> heya archangel
[08:01] <parkerw207> sorry i werent paying attention :P
[08:01] <parkerw207> whats up?
[08:03] <archangel_> no prob
[08:03] <archangel_> remote desktop programs
[08:04] <archangel_> I need to connect to my familys pc's (using XP) from out of town, I use Kubunto
[08:05] <skarface> rdesktop?
[08:05] <archangel_> its easier while using the same software, but what do I now that I have switched to linux
[08:05] <archangel_> yeah, can I still fix their pc from my house and not have to travel to do it?
[08:06] <archangel_> or did I screw myself?
[08:06] <skarface> should be able to with rdesktop
[08:06] <archangel_> hmm
[08:06] <archangel_> ok
[08:08] <archangel_> wjat is the difference in Krdc and Krfb?
[08:08] <archangel_> both share connections, but i have oth
[08:08] <archangel_> both
[08:08] <skarface> well you don't want to share yours, you want to connect to a share
[08:08] <skarface> krfb is the server
[08:09] <skarface> I don't know if krdc will work with windows, it's for vnc
[08:09] <archangel_> oh ok
[08:09] <skarface> they'd have to install a separate server for that I believe
[08:09] <archangel_> ahhh
[08:09] <skarface> rdesktop works directly with windows remote desktop
[08:10] <archangel_> ok
[08:10] <archangel_> so they can do the whole request and yada yada, just like before
[08:10] <archangel_> ?
[08:11] <archangel_> thats sounds good
[08:13] <skarface> just type rdesktop at the terminal and you'll see all of the parameters and such. I don't know if there's a convenient gui for it.
[08:13] <archangel_> ok, thank you
[08:15] <intelikey> hmmm having more trubble with installing printer from kcontrol.   now the wizard won't even start.  anyone have cluse as to what to check ?
[08:20] <intelikey> kcontrol problems???
[08:23] <drbeams> hi, i cannot get my monitor and display settings to set
[08:23] <elliott__> I have firefly (mt-daapd) running on a server and want Amarok to see the files? how
[08:24] <sredna> intelikey: set the hostname of the cups server to your IP (127.0.0.1)
[08:26] <fredsmilder> Hello
[08:26] <intelikey> sredna it's set to localhost  is that not enough ?
[08:27] <adydas> !tvout
[08:27] <ubotu> For help with enabling the TV-Out, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaTVOutNewbieEdition (Nvidia cards) or http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Tvout (ATI cards, *untested*)
[08:27] <drbeams> hi, i cannot get my monitor settings to stay
[08:27] <sredna> intelikey: try the corresponding IP
[08:27] <sredna> intelikey: i had to do that, and many others
[08:30] <BluesKaj> !TV Wonder Pro
[08:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tv wonder pro - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:31] <BluesKaj> !ATI TV Wonder Pro
[08:32] <sredna> BluesKaj: try 'gg: <yoursearchword>' in konqueror, or in the kde prompt
[08:32] <sredna> ;)
[08:32] <adydas> holey moley that stuffs confusing
[08:34] <intelikey> sredna set in /etc/cups/cups.d/ports.conf   or /etc/cups/cupsd.conf  ?
[08:35] <adydas> Anyone here by chance got an eg of xorg.conf using a tv out i just want to compare it to my understanding from !tvouts link
[08:36] <sredna> intelikey: i used the kcm module to set it
[08:36] <sredna> let me check
[08:36] <dettoaltrimenti_> I have a problem and I just want to know what the name of this problem is, and if it could be a problem with my graphics card drivers: when I scroll a document, or firefox, or move anything around on the screen, it takes a second to refresh, and you can visibly see it refreshing from the top of the screen to the bottom... anyone know what this is?
[08:37] <intelikey> sredna looks like /etc/cups/cups.d/ports.conf should work.
[08:37] <KennethP> Anyone here who knows how to move the OSD of Konversation around?
[08:37] <intelikey> i'll go test it    back later.
[08:37] <soulrider> hi
[08:44] <Schuenemann> !wma
[08:44] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:45] <BluesKaj> !it | Matrix
[08:45] <ubotu> Matrix: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[08:48] <Matrix> volevo chiedere se c'e' qualcuno che utilizza vdr-xine su scheda dvb
[08:48] <Matrix> oppure con kaffeine
[08:49] <Matrix> o altro prg dvb-s che utilizza con plugin
[08:49] <Matrix> su Kubuntu ......
[08:49] <Schuenemann> !it
[08:49] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[08:49] <Matrix> mi soddisferebbe anke una risp. entro il 2007 :P
[08:50] <BluesKaj> already tried that Schuenemann...he doesn't read it
[08:50] <Schuenemann> =(
[08:51] <BluesKaj> !it > Matrix
[08:51] <Schuenemann> he already quitted
[08:52] <Schuenemann> or quit
[08:52] <BluesKaj> yup
[08:54] <Schuenemann> which repository should I add to install w32codecs?
[08:55] <hektik> when i boot up kubuntu amd64 desktop cd it always freezes up when it reaches the x server. any idea or documents to read toh elp me ?
[08:55] <draik> Hello everyone
[08:56] <BulletXt> you must disable acpi hektik
[08:56] <hektik> how do i do that
[08:56] <draik> What is the channel for help with Spector?
[08:56] <BulletXt> in the boot add acpi=off
[08:56] <hektik> are you sure that will fix my problem ?
[08:56] <hektik> i dont mean to question you but i want to make sure if you can
[08:56] <BulletXt> 90% yes
[08:56] <hektik> thx ill try
[08:56] <hektik> vbrvb
[08:56] <BulletXt> go
[09:07] <hektik> i put apci=off in the boot options it still freezes once the x server loads up
[09:08] <Bxnp> hektik: just install windows, and your problems dissapear like snow infront of the sun
[09:09] <hektik> why must you resort to saying something stupid
[09:09] <soulrider> Bxnp: windows sucks
[09:09] <Bxnp> man o man, where is your humor
[09:09] <BluesKaj> hektik, live cd ?
[09:09] <Bxnp> yes we know windows sucks blah blah, thats why we are here in this channel
[09:09] <soulrider> intelikey: is here
[09:09] <soulrider> ask him, he is pro :P
[09:10] <intelikey> still no add printer app...    someone good with trubble shooting kcontrol problems ?
[09:11] <BluesKaj> did you try he wizard in sys/settings/printers
[09:11] <intelikey> BluesKaj yes  that's what i'm saying   it doesn't start
[09:12] <intelikey> i get a pid from it but no window ever opens     1771 ?        S      0:03 kaddprinterwizard [kdeinit] 
[09:12] <BluesKaj> bummer, maybe it already sees a printer driver
[09:15] <soulrider> guys, is there any app to see if my HD is working correctly ? yesterday it was making noises, and now my Pc wouldnt boot unless i disconnected it
[09:16] <soulrider> im using the safe mode thing now
[09:17] <cris> prova di scrittura in chan
[09:17] <soulrider> !diagnose
[09:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about diagnose - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:17] <BluesKaj> !diagnostic
[09:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about diagnostic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:17] <intelikey> soulrider badblocks will check the disk  but  if the problem is in the controler that will give false reading sometimes...
[09:18] <WoostaToo> I'm trying to do a dist-upgrade, but it's tripping over on firefox-dev as it has a file also in firefox .. I've tried 'apt-get remove firefox firefox-dev' but that doesn't work
[09:19] <intelikey> sudo apt-get remove 'firefox*'
[09:20] <julio> ola
[09:20] <sageek> I'v installed ubuntu recenetly and grub too, tho i can't add my old win xp into grub menu.lst, when i try to boot its says unsupported executable format
[09:20] <julio> alguem de portugal
[09:20] <intelikey> !pr
[09:20] <BluesKaj> !pt
[09:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:20] <WoostaToo> intelikey: that would seem to be what I already did ..
[09:20] <ubotu> pt is Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[09:20] <intelikey> yeah pt
[09:20] <julio> obrigado
[09:21] <stanek> serdeczne pozdro dla wszyskich
[09:22] <BluesKaj> !pl
[09:22] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[09:24] <intelikey> going to localhost:631 gets me the cups page just fine but nothing in the cups page does anything...
[09:25] <intelikey> i click it says waiting for reply from blah...     ?
[09:25] <soulrider> !autostart
[09:25] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[09:25] <Ash-Fox> Anyone know how to get the PID of a application one is launching in a bash script?
[09:25] <intelikey> pidof blah
[09:26] <DonMCN> hey everybody :)
[09:26] <intelikey> Ash-Fox example    pidof bash
[09:27] <DonMCN> Can somebody give me a link to an article for updating from 6.06 Dapper to 6.10 Edgy?
[09:27] <intelikey> !upgrade
[09:27] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[09:27] <BluesKaj> !update
[09:28] <DonMCN> thank you very much
[09:28] <Ash-Fox> intelikey, well.. that returns the pids of proccesses under those names doesn't it.. But I'm trying to store the pid of process I'm launching in a variable so I can kill it later.. I can't kill the other proccesses that are launched earlier, inbetween either.. :/
[09:30] <intelikey> DonMCN try   $!
[09:31] <dettoaltrimenti_> hey- I formatted an old computer while installing linux, and got an error message halfway through saying it couldn't write to the drive, and that it's probably a hard disk error- can I run fsck on a live cd, or somehow run diagnostics on the harddrive that is now completely formatted?
[09:34] <BluesKaj> yes dettoaltrimenti_ , if you can burn a live cd "GParted" ..it may be able to detect your prob , it's also a CG partition editor
[09:34] <BluesKaj> CG = VG=very good
[09:34] <Assid> err..
[09:35] <sageek> a progesss, I'm trying to boot winxp with two single lines (root (hd0,4) and chainloader +1) getting to the "starting up..." level and stuck, ideas?
[09:35] <Assid> something is wrong here.. i have a drive which had kubuntu 6.06 no issues.. now i am trying to install 6.10 from scratch.. and its acting strange
[09:35] <detto> hey- I formatted an old computer while installing linux, and got an error message halfway through saying it couldn't write to the drive, and that it's probably a hard disk error- can I run fsck on a live cd, or somehow run diagnostics on the harddrive that is now completely formatted?
[09:35] <Assid> after formatting.. it gets stuck at 90% .. (superblocks stage)
[09:36] <BluesKaj> yes detto, if you can burn a live cd "GParted" ..it may be able to detect your prob , it's also a CG partition editor
[09:36] <BluesKaj> oops
[09:36] <BluesKaj> ignore the CG
[09:38] <xaoc> nabend
[09:40] <Assid> weird.. i was able to pass that stage in oem mode
[09:40] <Assid> something is wrong here
[09:42] <edgy> Hi, suddenly my keboard in my thinkpad stopped working. It types nothing. In windows it works great, how can I resolve this please?
[09:46] <carlos_> hi
[09:55] <DrNickRiviera> this question isn't directly related to kubuntu, but how can i add up all numbers found in a text file? (expect i have to use egrep but am unsure how exactly to do it)
[09:57] <lontra> DrNickRiviera: with a calculator?
[09:58] <DrNickRiviera> that way is starting to take a while with around 50 numbers and rising :(
[09:58] <lontra> DrNickRiviera: i'm sure there's a way...i just don't know how
[09:58] <edgy> DrNickRiviera: may be you just replace all spaces with +
[09:59] <edgy> replace all from an editor
[09:59] <edgy> then do cat file | bc
[09:59] <edgy> may be it works
[10:00] <hatta> DrNickRiviera, you want to use awk or something like that
[10:00] <hatta> is the file in any specific format?
[10:01] <edemilson> Ola
[10:01] <DrNickRiviera> hatta: it's a .tex file
[10:01] <edemilson> alguem poderia me dar uma ajuda
[10:01] <zerak> some fun classes like [:digit] 
[10:01] <DrNickRiviera> was hoping to get around learning an entirely new language ;)
[10:03] <esben> DrNickRiviera: Try bc
[10:03] <esben> DrNickRiviera: together with sed, I suppose
[10:03] <hatta> oh hm
[10:04] <esben> or copy+paste them into an octave vector :o)
[10:04] <esben> if they are space seperated, I often do it that way :)
[10:05] <BluesKaj> !br | edemilson
[10:05] <ubotu> edemilson: pt is Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[10:06] <froud> what can one use to scan to pdf?
[10:08] <DrNickRiviera> esben: thanks for suggesting sed, i've now managed to get just the numbers, but they're all in lines on their own, so i just need to figure out how to add them up
[10:09] <cntb> !ro
[10:09] <ubotu> Daca doriti ajutor sau doriti sa discutati despre Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu, intrati pe #ubuntu-ro
[10:10] <hatta> DrNickRiviera, try something like s/\n/+/
[10:10] <hatta> and feed that into bc
[10:11] <DrNickRiviera> hatta: that was my idea too, doesn't seem to work just like that
[10:11] <DrNickRiviera> will play around with it for a while, sure i'll find a way to do it
[10:12] <hatta> oh yeah it probably woulnd't as sed processes line by line
[10:12] <hatta> perl would be easier, could pu the whole file into a string and then substitute
[10:12] <DrNickRiviera> should be able to do it in bash too really
[10:13] <DrNickRiviera> might be a bit slower though, but it's not exactly a huge file
[10:13] <jott> DrNickRiviera: awk can do the job.... do something like  cat bla | awk '{ sum += $1; } END { print sum; }'
[10:13] <will> I need some help, I'm trying to get my wacom tablet to work under Kubuntu edgy.  I installed wacom tools, modified my xorg.conf to be able to detect it, it works for hovering and clicking, but I can't "Hold" down the tablet to say draw a stroke etc
[10:14] <DrNickRiviera> will: that worked perfectly, thanks a lot :)
[10:19] <DrNickRiviera> meant thanks jott, got confused with the lines
[10:20] <jott> DrNickRiviera: actually you don't even need to cat .. just awk '{ sum += $1; } END { print sum; }' filename .. ;)
[10:22] <carlos> hi
[10:22] <DrNickRiviera> i'm getting the numbers using egrep and sed anyway, so it doesn't really matter ;)
[10:22] <carlos> can anyone help me installing ubuntu server in a dell poweredge 840 with raid 1?
[10:23] <DrNickRiviera> might have to look into awk when i've got a bit more time, could come in handy now and then
[10:23] <crystufer2000> Yo.
[10:24] <crystufer2000> Hey, my system is not utilizing any of the swap space I gave it.
[10:24] <crystufer2000> Any way I can force it to?
[10:25] <crystufer2000> !swap
[10:25] <ubotu> swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info
[10:26] <Jared555> hello, what is "install in oem mode"?
[10:27] <cntb> is the http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/ in repos ? how do I sudo apt-get install it and configure to play pronunciations in wav like in www.m-w.com
[10:28] <cntb> Jared555: this is interesting mode you can produce and sell ready installed systems
[10:28] <Jared555> cool
[10:29] <Jared555> any restrictions on it?
[10:29] <DonMCN> !update
[10:29] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[10:29] <cntb> cool ? nice to think more enthusiasts will spread the system
[10:30] <Jared555> I am trying to get it to start up on this one system but it isn't working..
[10:30] <premier_> when Im logging out of my account to down boot my computer, there is a long period of time when the computer is only showing a black screen, as if it was waiting for some program to close.  Sometimes it never completes and
[10:30] <Jared555> it works on a lot of my other PCs, there any way to make kubuntu show what it is doing when booting off the dvd?
[10:30] <premier_> I have to crash it.
[10:31] <cntb> ctrl alt F1 premier_ login and  init 0
[10:32] <premier_> I cant get to the terminal windows.  ctrl-alt F1, ctrl-alt backspace, etc are all unresponsize
[10:33] <liviux> Does anyone know how I can recognize whit my Kubuntu the audio device in asus f3jc laptop??
[10:33] <dwidmann> premier_:  video driver issue maybe?
[10:34] <dwidmann> liviux: and that audio device is?
[10:34] <premier_> yeah, I have an ati mobility radeon X1400.  Thats one of the cards that were effected by ati's shoddy driver packages
[10:35] <cntb> is opera  in repos ?
[10:35] <cntb> !opera
[10:35] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[10:36] <premier_> also, my computer sometimes give "Soft Lockup on CPU #0" while booting.  Turning off ACPI sometimes fixes this, but because I want ACPI I just try booting it until it works
[10:36] <cntb> how old is your PC premier_ ?
[10:37] <cntb> try to clean it
[10:37] <premier_> just a few months
[10:37] <premier_> its a laptop
[10:37] <premier_> clean it?
[10:37] <cntb> yourself or take it totechnician to clean from dust
[10:37] <iroc> boy, 32 bit kubuntu runs like crap on my 64 bit machine
[10:37] <iroc> guess imma have to get the 64 bit version
[10:38] <cntb> well yes some laptops may need cleaning as well
[10:38] <liviux> Is Alsa v1.0.12rcl dwidmann
[10:38] <BluesKaj> 32bit runs nicely on my amd64
[10:38] <premier_> why would you run the 32 bit version?  I wanna know because I wanna get a 64 bit
[10:38] <premier_> cntb: do you know how laptops are cleaned?
[10:39] <BluesKaj> some hardware still isn't recognized by the 64 bit vers
[10:39] <Jared555> kubuntu handle RAID arrays well?
[10:39] <iroc> i guess some programs like wine or win32 codecs wont run on 64 but os's
[10:39] <zerak> due to compatible issues, most stuff suppport 32-bit while 64-bits is not as often supported
[10:39] <dwidmann> iroc: yes they can
[10:39] <zerak> wine is open-source, support 64-bit
[10:39] <Jared555> at one time you had to have a 32 bit chroot for openoffice but that probably has changed
[10:40] <dwidmann> Jared555: that must have been a long while back
[10:40] <iroc> o well, i got a brand new 64 bit box and all 32 bit OSs dont run well (very slow)
[10:40] <Jared555> it wouldn't compile on 64 bit around a year ago
[10:40] <iroc> so ill have to take the loss of app compatibility
[10:41] <zerak> anyone got any solution that works for getting ut2004 to run with sound, lots of guides but none that work
[10:41] <dwidmann> jared555: required some extra 32-bit libs ... I never bothered compiling it myself, Breezy came with it ....
[10:41] <BluesKaj> iroc , there must be something else wrong
[10:41] <cntb> hmm strange ! opera is grayed disabled in adept .why ?
[10:43] <iroc> i have no clue blue
[10:43] <zerak> can one check which card /dev/dsp is linked to?
[10:43] <Jared555> lets see... running FC2, Gentoo, Kubuntu live cd, XPx3 (hopefully going to be only one system soon....), and vista right now.... room is going to be 90F soon probably
[10:44] <Jared555> switched the laptop back to XP and keep running out of memory running about the same stuff (had to flip it to windows :( )
[10:45] <Jared555> brb
[10:46] <BluesKaj> the whole line in adept ot just the install remove box , cntb ?
[10:48] <daleach> guys i have nvidia-glx drivers installed but my glxinfo | grep direct gets ...direct rendering no...does anyone else have this problem? i'm also in XGL and have beryl installed i don't know what's going on some similar problems on line haven't found a solution
[10:48] <econthrust> until fiesty i use synaptic in kde too, maybe u can install opera there, but still sudo apt-get opera helps a lot ^^
[10:48] <bbeck_> I accidentally hit some keys while in kpdf, and now the thumbnails of each page are gone from the left hand side of the screen.  Does anyone know a way to bring them back?  Thanks.
[10:48] <daleach> also my glxinfo | grep direct ....had yes.....and then i upgraded to edgy
[10:49] <daleach> i think I lost that right after the upgrade...
[10:49] <BluesKaj> daleach, if yer running beryl , DRI is defeated
[10:50] <daleach> ok i just found a page that said... i needed DRI in the xorg.conf
[10:50] <daleach> in order for glx to work
[10:50] <daleach> so when i did the install of beryl .....i'm using that custom glx right?
[10:51] <BluesKaj> daleach, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-d8c6fd05bce340dfc3ad483abf0e18997868540b
[10:51] <daleach> off of his repository... and no DRI ?
[10:51] <daleach> well i'm on nvidia but ok thanks
[10:51] <BluesKaj> ok , sorry thought you were ATI
[10:51] <daleach> i'll take ur word for the DRI being defeated thing hehe
[10:51] <daleach> should i remove it then from xorg.conf or ok to leave it in there?
[10:52] <daleach> i have load dri and glx ...
[10:52] <BluesKaj> not necessarily with nvidia drivers
[10:52] <daleach> funny thing is my beryl works and all
[10:52] <BluesKaj> do glxinfo
[10:52] <daleach> hehe... problem is my beryl-manager loads beryl-glx as opposed to "beryl" ......."beryl-glx" doesn't work for me... "beryl" nicely cooperates and seizes kde
[10:53] <cntb> audio/x-wav plugin wont launch help
[10:53] <daleach> what about glxinfo
[10:53] <daleach> 2 days ago it had direct rendering: Yes
[10:53] <daleach> i'm 100% sure of it
[10:54] <daleach> so yeah ur saying the move to beryl
[10:54] <BluesKaj> that's what happens with Ati . din't know the same would happen with nvidia
[10:54] <daleach> that's fine i mean i don't care what it says provided beryl runs smoothly...which it is ...except i can't get it to start by itself... the one that the manager wants to point to... is broken (funny that if i run beryl on a console alone it works...adn the manager changes its properties the way it should hehe)
[10:55] <alan__> test 1234
[10:56] <zorglu_> q. i got hyperthreading on my CPU (checked via /cpu/procinfo and dmidecode) but the kernel only got 1 cpu in /proc/cpuinfo, what do i need to do to enable hyperthreading ?
[10:56] <daleach> @#$@#4 whyyyyy do they have to use the open source by default sighhhh
[10:56] <daleach> see i thought that the package was using the proprietary
[10:57] <daleach> and they just packaged it up
[10:57] <daleach> guess i was wrong
[10:57] <BluesKaj> !nvidia
[10:57] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:57] <HymnToLife> zorglu_, which Ubuntu are you using ?
[10:58] <zorglu_> HymnToLife: edgy kubuntu
[10:58] <HymnToLife> zorglu_, are you running the generic kernel or the 386 one ?
[10:58] <zorglu_> HymnToLife: dunno :)
[10:58] <HymnToLife> uname -r will tell you
[10:58] <zorglu_> $ uname -a
[10:58] <zorglu_> Linux jmehost1 2.6.17-10-386 #2 Tue Dec 5 22:26:18 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:58] <zorglu_> twhich one it is ?
[10:59] <zorglu_> generic or i386 ?
[10:59] <HymnToLife> all right, apt-get install linux-image-generic
[10:59] <HymnToLife> it's the 386
[10:59] <HymnToLife> and you're not up-to-date
[10:59] <zorglu_> HymnToLife: and the new kernel is supposed to pickup hyperthreading automatically ?
[10:59] <HymnToLife> the generic one does
[11:00] <HymnToLife> the fact that you're not up-do-date has nothing to do with HT support
[11:00] <zorglu_> HymnToLife: ok what is the difference between a kernel 'i386' and a generic one ?
[11:01] <HymnToLife> zorglu_, in a nutshell, the 386 one is designed to run enven on 15 years old CPUs
[11:01] <HymnToLife> so it lacks the optimizations for newer stuff
[11:01] <HymnToLife> like SMP
[11:01] <zorglu_> HymnToLife: ok and the generic one is what compared to that ?
[11:01] <HymnToLife> it has it all
[11:01] <HymnToLife> !generic
[11:01] <ubotu> Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[11:01] <zorglu_> thanks
[11:04] <Jared555> is there any way to install kubuntu to software raid5 arrays?
[11:04] <zorglu_> HymnToLife: ok i read it, and im upgrading, thanks for your help :)
[11:04] <HymnToLife> !raids
[11:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about raids - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:04] <HymnToLife> !raid
[11:04] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[11:06] <Jared555> also, is there any more reliable way to install kubuntu than the graphical interface you can hit on the desktop?
[11:06] <HymnToLife> !alterante | Jared555
[11:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alterante - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:06] <HymnToLife> !alternate | Jared555
[11:06] <ubotu> Jared555: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[11:06] <Woosta> Bah! Did the dist-upgrade to 6.10 .. and it all got uglier! FF and T'bird have menu problems, the anti-aliasing on fonts looks shite. Whatever fonts I had before have either been re-created to look uglier.
[11:07] <Woosta> Sure, the splash is rather pretty, but after that .. all downhill
[11:11] <zorglu_> HymnToLife: back on generic kernel, booted, and /proc/cpuinfo still show only one cpu.. any hint on where should i look ?
[11:11] <zorglu_> $ dmesg | grep disabled
[11:11] <zorglu_> [17179570.128000]  CPU: Hyper-Threading is disabled
[11:11] <zorglu_> blaaa:)
[11:12] <zorglu_> http://osrevolution.wordpress.com/2007/02/07/hyper-threading-come-abilitarlo-su-ubuntudebian/ <- ok all is here :)
[11:12] <zorglu_> ht=on has to be added to the boot line
[11:12] <zorglu_> not that i speak spanish :)
[11:14] <zorglu_> rebooting to try :)
[11:17] <cntb> why audio/x-wav is so probematic on firefox ?
[11:19] <BluesKaj> cntb, what is audio/x-wav for FF ?
[11:20] <zorglu_> $ cat /proc/cmdline
[11:20] <zorglu_> root=UUID=47ce3414-a305-4b63-a512-62eaa7d732cd ro ht=on quiet splash
[11:20] <zorglu_> $ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep flag
[11:20] <zorglu_> flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe up cid xtpr
[11:20] <Morbo> !pastebin | zorglu_
[11:20] <ubotu> zorglu_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:20] <zorglu_> but still no ht :) evil evil computer :)
[11:20] <cntb> BluesKaj: ?
[11:21] <zorglu_> anybody with hyperthreading enable who will do a "cat /proc/cmdline" for me ? :)
[11:22] <BluesKaj> cntb, do you have the mplayer plugin for FF ; http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/
[11:23] <faLUCE> hi, I have installed the 2.6.17.3 kernel with RTAI patch. after rebooting i can't start X server... any tips? thnks
[11:23] <cntb> pls just try this in FF http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/audio.pl?arcane01.wav=arcane
[11:23] <cntb> BluesKaj: I think yes
[11:23] <BluesKaj> cntb, yes i hear it
[11:24] <cntb> good BluesKaj how did you do it
[11:24] <cntb> save my day pls BluesKaj
[11:25] <Kotter> anyone can help on how to get my intel wireless running? using kubuntu, installed via ndiswrapper
[11:25] <BluesKaj> do you have the application/x-google-vlc-plugin for FF , i think it's the one you neeed
[11:25] <cntb> in /etc BluesKaj I have
[11:25] <cntb> and you talked about mplayer which was installed thru mozilla-mplayer I think
[11:26] <cntb> blueskaj where do I look for application/x-google-vlc-plugin
[11:26] <cntb> also should I kdesu firefox ?
[11:26] <ubuntu23> Kotter Keep asking
[11:27] <cntb> BluesKaj: what if I want plugins systemwide not only current user's
[11:27] <Kotter> alright
[11:27] <Kotter> i installed ndiswrapper and the drivers which are compatible with it
[11:28] <Kotter> and it all works out fine, i'm just missing the device as such ;)
[11:28] <Kotter> it won't get detected
[11:28] <cntb> BluesKaj:  take a look at this http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/articles/2006/06/23/vlcs-nsplugin-taking-the-way-of-the-sea-monkey
[11:28] <ubuntu23> try using the device database
[11:28] <ubuntu23> kotter: are you missing the drivers?
[11:28] <Kotter> drivers are instaled perfectly fine
[11:29] <ubuntu23> umm go into networks
[11:29] <ubuntu23> did ou activate it
[11:29] <Kotter> yepp, sure did so
[11:29] <ubuntu> there is no bootloader configuration options for the installation? !??!?!?!?!
[11:29] <Kotter> i also got XP running on the same machine, it works fine there, samedrivers
[11:30] <ubuntu23> Kotter: in termanal type ifconfig
[11:30] <cntb> BluesKaj:
[11:30] <ubuntu23> paste what ever you get here and place the link
[11:30] <ubuntu23>  how to get my intel wireless running?
[11:30] <ubuntu23> !
[11:30] <ubuntu23> !paste
[11:30] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:30] <jeremyb> Guys , I see I am on step 6of6 of the installation and I didnt get to configure the bootloader? is it going to let me do this?
[11:30] <fanscore> !fr
[11:30] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:30] <Kotter> thx a lot :)
[11:31] <ubuntu23> Kotter what you get i ifconfig put into the pastebin
[11:31] <ubuntu23> Kotter: or did you get it to work
[11:32] <BluesKaj> cntb, you check your plugis in FF by typing ' about:plugins' in the addressbar
[11:32] <vegasmcpc> hey guys, getting this error trying to open adept
[11:32] <vegasmcpc> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[11:32] <Kotter> hold on just a sec, gf's calling *rolleyes* ;)
[11:33] <ubuntu23> did you get it towrk >Kotter
[11:33] <zorglu_> !adept crash fix | vegasmcpc
[11:33] <ubotu> vegasmcpc: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[11:34] <cntb> BluesKaj: checked that too few there
[11:34] <ubuntu23> also Kotter Is Kubuntu support your wireless
[11:34] <cntb> flash plugin there
[11:35] <cntb> helix real plugin there BluesKaj
[11:35] <Kotter> yeah, found it on the sourceforge.net page for ndiswrapper
[11:35] <jeremyb> Guys , I see I am on step 6of6 of the installation and I didnt get to configure the bootloader? is it going to let me do this? It installs grub/lilo totally automaticlly!?!?
[11:35] <ubuntu23> KotterL: so your problems solved?
[11:36] <cntb> jeremyb: grub
[11:36] <jeremyb> thats realy scary
[11:36] <BluesKaj> cntb, mplayer plugin for wm and quicktime etc
[11:36] <jeremyb> i dont get to configure?
[11:36] <Kotter> nope, i meant my wireless card is supported
[11:36] <cntb> you want dual boot scenario jer
[11:36] <jeremyb> yes
[11:36] <Kotter> only porlbme with posting the ifconfig is, it'd be in german ;)
[11:36] <ubuntu23> Kotter: what is the name of your wireless card
[11:36] <jeremyb> im just gunna have to boot and configure grub then?
[11:36] <Kotter> intel proWireless 2200BG
[11:36] <ubuntu23> Kotter lol that would be a problem
[11:37] <jeremyb> it just seems odd they didnt let me choose in the installation its almost scary it mess with my mbr automagiclly
[11:37] <cntb> nope
[11:37] <Kotter> guessed so
[11:37] <Kotter> but shoulldnt there be an entry like wlan0 or something?
[11:37] <Kotter> bc all i get is eth0 & eth1 & lo
[11:38] <zorglu_> Kotter: i got exactly this one and it works out of the box here
[11:38] <zorglu_> Kotter: no ndiswrapper or anything
[11:38] <Kotter> what driver did ya use?
[11:38] <cntb> BluesKaj: wait I am on dapper maybe I have FF2 and old FF which takes defaults
[11:39] <BluesKaj> cntb , you need the mplayer plugin to play wm and wav files , i think..  http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/
[11:39] <ubuntu23> kotter im not sure if this would be a help but here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13576/
[11:39] <zorglu_> Kotter: unclear because it got detected automatically
[11:39] <ubuntu23> Brb got to check on my upgrade
[11:39] <zorglu_> Kotter: it was automatic in dapper too
[11:39] <zorglu_> [17179592.676000]  ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection <- Kotter
[11:39] <Kotter> thx u23, lemme just read through that
[11:40] <zorglu_> ipw2000
[11:41] <ubuntu23> !wireless >Kotter
[11:41] <ubuntu23> !wireless
[11:41] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:41] <zorglu_> ok i will leave without hyperthreading :)
[11:41] <Kotter> thx a lot, will read that stuf :)
[11:42] <zorglu_> i wonder how come my stuff is autodetected and yours are not
[11:42] <zorglu_> especially i got this one on a cheap laptop :)
[11:42] <ubuntu23> he is running Kubuntu are you
[11:42] <zorglu_> yep
[11:42] <ubuntu23> hmm i dont know maybe he didnt install correctly or something
[11:42] <zorglu_> even on dapper, it was autodetected out of the box
[11:42] <Kotter> yes i am
[11:43] <angasule> hmm, I just noticed I don't have 'kmail' in the k-menu, what's with that?
[11:43] <zorglu_> angasule: it is 'kontact' now
[11:43] <ubuntu23> Kotter im me if you need more help
[11:44] <jeremyb> kubuntu uses a modular 2.6 kernel?
[11:44] <angasule> zorglu_: nope, kontact runs the agenda thing
[11:44] <Kotter> will do so, thx a lot
[11:44] <zorglu_> angasule: and many more, just try it :)
[11:45] <marcobellido> we
[11:45] <angasule> zorglu_: I like it lean and mean, running 'kmail' directly runs just kmail
[11:46] <zorglu_> !info kmail
[11:46] <ubotu> kmail: KDE Email client. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 2174 kB, installed size 6724 kB
[11:46] <zorglu_> here we go :)
[11:46] <zorglu_> you can save 1 click :)
[11:46] <angasule> zorglu_: kmail comes installed, actually
[11:47] <zorglu_> yep, i told you :)
[11:47] <angasule> zorglu_: try to install kmail, it'll say it's already installed
[11:47] <ubuntu23> !wireless
[11:47] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:47] <zorglu_> it is called kontact :))
[11:47] <angasule> kontact includes kmail as a kpart, I guess, but they're not quite the same
[11:47] <yaccin> is linux-image-generic, -386 or -lowlatency better for me?
[11:47] <BluesKaj> gah kmail
[11:48] <spinz8r> !firewall
[11:48] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[11:48] <ubuntu23> gl >Kotter
[11:48] <BluesKaj> thunderbird ..easier to setup and use
[11:49] <angasule> thunderbird is too gnome-like, the buttons are in the wrong place, I tell my parents to use it, but I won't (I switched them to FF and TB on windows, now they use kubuntu)
[11:50] <BluesKaj> angasule, so did i ...i'm prolly the same age as yer parents :)
[11:50] <cntb> BluesKaj: I forgot about old FF1.x
[11:50] <yaccin> is linux-image-generic, -386 or -lowlatency better for me?
[11:50] <BluesKaj> switched from windows
[11:51] <angasule> BluesKaj: probably a decade younger :) my dad is 60
[11:51] <visik7> hi
[11:51] <visik7> does anyone noticed that the history plugin of kopete doesn't color old text as setted in the config panel ?
[11:53] <cntb> BluesKaj: I have /opt/firefox/plugins
[11:53] <hallgeo> hello
[11:53] <cntb> BluesKaj: how can I list in cline  all files of a package
[11:55] <mitocondrio> hi
[11:55] <BluesKaj> cntb http://gauvain.tuxfamily.org/repos/
[11:55] <mitocondrio> how could I go into italian channel???
[11:55] <BluesKaj> !it
[11:55] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:01] <ubuntu23> !en
[12:01] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[12:01] <Helpee> Hi can somebody tell me how I can change the screen resolution with konsole?
[12:02] <ubuntu23> !konsole >Helpe
[12:02] <yaccin> is linux-image-generic, -386 or -lowlatency better for me?
[12:02] <ubuntu23> !konsole
[12:02] <ubotu> konsole: X terminal emulator for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 710 kB, installed size 2192 kB
[12:02] <ubuntu23> !screen
[12:02] <ubotu> screen is a terminal multiplexer. See http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen
[12:02] <ubuntu23> !screenresolution
[12:02] <yaccin> !kernel
[12:02] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[12:03] <Helpee> !resolution
[12:03] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:07] <vegasmcpc> ok, i just set up a raid5 array, and it seems that the sync process is stuck
[12:07] <vegasmcpc> the speed keeps going slower and slower
[12:07] <vegasmcpc> it was at like 50m/sec, now it's down below 900k/s
[12:08] <vegasmcpc> it's going slower every time that i try to check it
[12:09] <cpk1> then dont check it? =P
[12:10] <kibbuntu> buonasera!!!
[12:11] <kibbuntu> i have one problem with kubuntu edgy eft...
[12:11] <Kotter> hey guys, anyone aware where i can get hotplug for kubuntu?
[12:11] <kibbuntu> when i start kopete my pc freeze
[12:11] <vegasmcpc> kibbuntu: which is what?
[12:11] <vegasmcpc> hm
[12:11] <vegasmcpc> odd
[12:11] <kibbuntu> and i can't do anything
[12:11] <kibbuntu> and i have to reboot^_^
[12:12] <vegasmcpc> try removing it with adept, restarting, and then reinstalling it
[12:12] <cpk1> kibbuntu: you cant even go to tty1?
[12:12] <kibbuntu> no...
[12:12] <flaccid> hey guys i'm on dapper, what should i use to be like cool video wise like vista. so like beryl, compiz, agl, xgl, huh um yeah?
[12:13] <flaccid> !beryl
[12:13] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:13] <kibbuntu> would i try cpk1?
[12:13] <kibbuntu> and start from tty?