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| poningru | @schedule EST | 07:01 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for EST: 19 Feb 16:30: Mozilla Team | 21 Feb 07:00: Edubuntu | 21 Feb 11:00: Kernel Team | 22 Feb 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 25 Feb 12:00: LoCo Team | 26 Feb 18:00: Community Council | 07:01 |
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| pochu | @cet | 07:23 |
| juliux | @schedule berlin | 07:24 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 19 Feb 22:30: Mozilla Team | 21 Feb 13:00: Edubuntu | 21 Feb 17:00: Kernel Team | 22 Feb 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 25 Feb 18:00: LoCo Team | 27 Feb 00:00: Community Council | 07:24 |
| pochu | @schedule cet | 07:24 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for CET: 19 Feb 22:30: Mozilla Team | 21 Feb 13:00: Edubuntu | 21 Feb 17:00: Kernel Team | 22 Feb 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 25 Feb 18:00: LoCo Team | 27 Feb 00:00: Community Council | 07:24 |
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| guerby | @schedule paris | 07:53 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Paris: 19 Feb 22:30: Mozilla Team | 21 Feb 13:00: Edubuntu | 21 Feb 17:00: Kernel Team | 22 Feb 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 25 Feb 18:00: LoCo Team | 27 Feb 00:00: Community Council | 07:53 |
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| hjmf | @schedule valencia | 08:45 |
| hjmf | @schedule Madrid | 08:45 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Madrid: 19 Feb 22:30: Mozilla Team | 21 Feb 13:00: Edubuntu | 21 Feb 17:00: Kernel Team | 22 Feb 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 25 Feb 18:00: LoCo Team | 27 Feb 00:00: Community Council | 08:45 |
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| pochu | @now cet | 09:35 |
| Ubugtu | Current time in CET: February 19 2007, 21:35:10 - Next meeting: Mozilla Team in 54 minutes | 09:35 |
| stgraber | @schedule Europe\Zurich | 09:35 |
| stgraber | @schedule Zurich | 09:35 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 19 Feb 22:30: Mozilla Team | 21 Feb 13:00: Edubuntu | 21 Feb 17:00: Kernel Team | 22 Feb 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 25 Feb 18:00: LoCo Team | 27 Feb 00:00: Community Council | 09:35 |
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| pochu | @now | 10:03 |
| Ubugtu | Current time in Etc/UTC: February 19 2007, 21:04:00 - Next meeting: Mozilla Team in 25 minutes | 10:03 |
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| poningru | @schedule EST | 10:18 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for EST: 19 Feb 16:30: Mozilla Team | 21 Feb 07:00: Edubuntu | 21 Feb 11:00: Kernel Team | 22 Feb 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 25 Feb 12:00: LoCo Team | 26 Feb 18:00: Community Council | 10:18 |
| poningru | @schedule EDT | 10:18 |
| poningru | 0.o | 10:18 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Mozilla Team | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 21 Feb 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 21 Feb 16:00 UTC: Kernel Team | 22 Feb 16:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 25 Feb 17:00 UTC: LoCo Team | 26 Feb 23:00 UTC: Community Council | ||
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| poningru | yarr | 10:30 |
| asac | gnomefreak: who is not here? | 10:31 |
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| asac | Freddy, Martin, ?? | 10:32 |
| asac | ups Freddy, David, ?? | 10:32 |
| poningru | gnomefreak went out for a 'smoke' | 10:32 |
| gnomefreak | #startmeeting | 10:32 |
| Moot2 | Meeting started at 22:32. The chair is gnomefreak. | 10:32 |
| asac | want to wait a few more minutes to see if others show up? | 10:33 |
| poningru | sure | 10:33 |
| gnomefreak | thats fine | 10:33 |
| gnomefreak | damn thing pms me too :( | 10:33 |
| poningru | lol | 10:33 |
| gnomefreak | who is here for the meeting? | 10:34 |
| === poningru is | ||
| poningru | brb | 10:34 |
| === crimsun is | ||
| gnomefreak | brb == you rnot here for meeting ;) | 10:34 |
| asac | Freddy, David are missing | 10:34 |
| gnomefreak | asac: how long do you have here? | 10:35 |
| gnomefreak | freedy wont be here | 10:36 |
| gnomefreak | he said something about it yesterday/over weekend the more i think of it | 10:36 |
| === ajmitch lurks | ||
| asac | will be here ... but maybe not that responsive for some minutes :) | 10:37 |
| gnomefreak | i have 2 ageda points im sure are the same as eachother | 10:37 |
| asac | 60 min. at least :) | 10:37 |
| pochu | hello! | 10:37 |
| gnomefreak | ther eyou are | 10:38 |
| gnomefreak | :) | 10:38 |
| poningru | back | 10:38 |
| gnomefreak | pochu: we will be starting soon. | 10:38 |
| pochu | gnomefreak: when you want :) | 10:38 |
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| gnomefreak | not me when david shows up | 10:38 |
| gnomefreak | who is eldo? | 10:38 |
| === poningru is eldo | ||
| gnomefreak | ah | 10:39 |
| gnomefreak | poningru: and pochu i think your ageda points are the same but we will go over it | 10:39 |
| pochu | gnomefreak: looking | 10:40 |
| pochu | gnomefreak: don't know :) | 10:40 |
| poningru | it is? | 10:40 |
| poningru | which one? the tbird and...? | 10:41 |
| gnomefreak | nvm miss read it | 10:41 |
| pochu | poningru: I'm emilio | 10:42 |
| poningru | hehe | 10:42 |
| === poningru gathered | ||
| poningru | ok guess we can start? | 10:47 |
| gnomefreak | asac: if it ok with you we can start with the ones that david nor alex need to be here for like poningru and pochu's points? | 10:48 |
| asac | ok | 10:49 |
| gnomefreak | [topic] include thunderbird 2.0 rc in Feisty | 10:49 |
| Moot2 | New topic: include thunderbird 2.0 rc in Feisty | 10:49 |
| asac | can someone please summarize what was done with firefox in edgy? | 10:50 |
| gnomefreak | asac: we added non released ff in edgy | 10:50 |
| gnomefreak | securty fixes got us to where we are with it iirc | 10:50 |
| poningru | pochu: ping your up | 10:50 |
| asac | hmm | 10:50 |
| pochu | hi! | 10:50 |
| asac | what is released fro tbird 2.0 already? | 10:51 |
| asac | rc1 ? | 10:51 |
| gnomefreak | asac pochu the issue i see is tb 2.0 is far off iirc | 10:51 |
| gnomefreak | rc1 i think | 10:51 |
| poningru | gnomefreak: not that far off | 10:51 |
| pochu | rc1 is later febraury | 10:51 |
| pochu | I think it's still beta2 | 10:51 |
| pochu | looking | 10:51 |
| gnomefreak | poningru: oh yes it is | 10:51 |
| poningru | yes beta2 | 10:51 |
| poningru | gnomefreak: couple of months | 10:51 |
| asac | i think its just not stable enough to push a beta2 | 10:51 |
| gnomefreak | asac: you still have that link you gave me about it? | 10:51 |
| asac | we can try to prepare thunderbird package though, in case mozilla releases 2.0 in time for feisty | 10:52 |
| pochu | beta2 | 10:52 |
| gnomefreak | poningru: there is no date set last i heard | 10:52 |
| poningru | gnomefreak: nope no date set | 10:52 |
| pochu | asac: rc1 should be out in february | 10:52 |
| gnomefreak | poningru: its still a ways off there are alot of things holding it back | 10:52 |
| pochu | http://www.mozilla.org/projects/thunderbird/roadmap.html | 10:52 |
| poningru | gnomefreak: but iirc goal is 2nd quarter 07 | 10:52 |
| pochu | First Quarter 2007 Final Release | 10:53 |
| asac | that would be too late | 10:53 |
| pochu | first quarter | 10:53 |
| poningru | ah nm | 10:53 |
| asac | all we can do is be as good prepared as possible to push thunderbird 2 fast in case it gets released in time | 10:53 |
| gnomefreak | asac: have you decided to open a repo for our packages? | 10:53 |
| pochu | I've added this item because, in case final isn't at time, we could get rc, as we did with firefox | 10:53 |
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| poningru | asac, gnomefreak I still think we should include the rc | 10:54 |
| asac | we'll have to see ... take a look at still open blocker bugs et al. | 10:54 |
| gnomefreak | pochu: but edgy was a throw anything you can in it before run out of time | 10:54 |
| poningru | it is stable enough to be used | 10:54 |
| pochu | and as soon as final in out, include it | 10:54 |
| gnomefreak | asac: i was gonna show them that link but i dont hav eit | 10:54 |
| poningru | oh hold on | 10:55 |
| poningru | re: blocker bugs | 10:55 |
| gnomefreak | asac: feature freeze is over with anyway. and since its in main its not gonna be fun to try and push through | 10:56 |
| asac | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?keywords_type=nowords&keywords=fixed1.8.1+verified1.8.1+fixed1.8.1.1+verified1.8.1.1+fixed1.8.1.2+verified1.8.1.2&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=blocking-thunderbird2%2B&order=map_assigned_to.login_name,bugs.bug_id | 10:56 |
| asac | gnomefreak: agree ...its not standard procedure to ship rc releases in main | 10:56 |
| gnomefreak | correct | 10:56 |
| poningru | hmm | 10:56 |
| gnomefreak | if you set up a repo they can get the buids we will have for them that thats a differnet story | 10:57 |
| asac | i will ask release team about what they think? | 10:57 |
| pochu | I said it because edgy... :D | 10:57 |
| === gnomefreak will end up with builds of them anyway :) | ||
| gnomefreak | pochu: edgy was a different story it wasnt gonna be stable | 10:57 |
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| gnomefreak | it was but that fell though due to time restraints | 10:58 |
| pochu | gnomefreak: ok, then it's clarify :) | 10:58 |
| asac | ACTION: I will ask release team | 10:58 |
| pochu | and would be possible to include it if it's late? | 10:58 |
| poningru | ok I guess I see that | 10:58 |
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| asac | will ask about requirements | 10:59 |
| gnomefreak | ok lets move on we will hold this for asac to dicuss it with release team | 10:59 |
| pochu | ok :) | 10:59 |
| poningru | true | 10:59 |
| asac | yeah ... but don't be too optimistic ... I would say no will be the answer :/ | 10:59 |
| gnomefreak | [topic] Weekly builds for browser and mail | 11:00 |
| Moot2 | New topic: Weekly builds for browser and mail | 11:00 |
| === gnomefreak could have told you that before you go infront of them main is strict | ||
| poningru | hehe | 11:00 |
| poningru | ok so in the mozillazine forums every day | 11:00 |
| gnomefreak | poningru: we can have them but not in feisty repos | 11:00 |
| poningru | gnomefreak: ofcourse | 11:00 |
| gnomefreak | poningru: im working on tb 2.0 and firefox 3.0 | 11:00 |
| pochu | weekly builds from the trunk code? | 11:00 |
| poningru | pochu: yes | 11:01 |
| asac | i work on a solution to setup a previe archive. we could release from there, but we would need to coordinate builds for different architectures | 11:01 |
| poningru | gnomefreak: I was thinking about for our own repo and on a testing team for the forum | 11:01 |
| asac | however, we cannot release with official branding | 11:01 |
| gnomefreak | asac: ok i only have dgy and feisty arch 386 :( | 11:02 |
| poningru | asac: ofcourse | 11:02 |
| gnomefreak | edgy* | 11:02 |
| crimsun | right, I was just going to inquire about upstream's blessing those weeklies | 11:02 |
| poningru | asac: even upstreams daily trunk stuff does not include their branding | 11:02 |
| asac | but lets try to push this to the time after release of feisty for now. | 11:02 |
| asac | poningru: yes ... just wanted to note that | 11:02 |
| gnomefreak | asac: agreed i will still work on them if i get time but i wont focus on them | 11:03 |
| asac | if anyone wants to do it, feel free ... However, i think its not the best task to start with on packaging. | 11:03 |
| gnomefreak | oh bleh its fun :( | 11:03 |
| poningru | so we need to have it on all the archs and supported versions? | 11:03 |
| gnomefreak | poningru: best idea | 11:04 |
| asac | no ... only those that we receive requests for | 11:04 |
| poningru | asac: I was thinking this primarily for getting more people involved for testing | 11:04 |
| gnomefreak | 64 and 386 for now i would think | 11:04 |
| poningru | as in we post on the forums 'this weeks build is up' | 11:04 |
| asac | poningru: yeah ... if there is someone who has other archs we can organise it once preview archive is setup | 11:05 |
| poningru | yeah | 11:05 |
| asac | ok, move on? | 11:06 |
| gnomefreak | to what? | 11:06 |
| asac | Adding [WWW] Thunderbird-Human-Theme to the repositories. ? | 11:06 |
| poningru | so... if someone wants to do this just do it? | 11:06 |
| asac | yes ... otherwise, I will do it in time after feisty | 11:06 |
| gnomefreak | [topic] Adding [WWW] Thunderbird-Human-Theme to the repositories. | 11:06 |
| Moot2 | New topic: Adding [WWW] Thunderbird-Human-Theme to the repositories. | 11:06 |
| poningru | or wait for the repos to come up? | 11:06 |
| poningru | oh ok | 11:06 |
| gnomefreak | poningru: work on ff | 11:06 |
| asac | anyone can say something about the quality of that theme? | 11:06 |
| poningru | link to the theme? | 11:07 |
| === gnomefreak doesnt use ubuntu themes i hate thte orange | ||
| asac | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/HumanThunderbird | 11:07 |
| === poningru too | ||
| gnomefreak | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/HumanThunderbird | 11:07 |
| asac | i think its a good idea to do that. | 11:07 |
| gnomefreak | was it wanting to be built into tb? | 11:08 |
| asac | however we have to figure out if this is of good quality and if there is an active upstream for it | 11:08 |
| asac | so in case we need new icons, there is actually someone we can bug | 11:08 |
| poningru | its not that hard to maintain a theme for tbird/firefox | 11:08 |
| asac | can you paint icons? | 11:09 |
| gnomefreak | i see that as something to look into but again wont happen for feisty (atleast i wouldnt think so) | 11:09 |
| poningru | asac: yes | 11:09 |
| asac | ok ... gtk | 11:09 |
| poningru | blargh? | 11:09 |
| asac | ok ... lets include theme in feisty+1 and if we receive good feedback, maybe make it default theme | 11:09 |
| gnomefreak | i like | 11:09 |
| poningru | yeah sounds good | 11:09 |
| gnomefreak | can we take a breif break maybe 3-5 minutes | 11:10 |
| asac | hmmm ... but then lets hurry | 11:10 |
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| asac | getting really late here ;) | 11:10 |
| poningru | ... dont you dare say its for a smoke | 11:10 |
| gnomefreak | and if you have davids number get to calling him | 11:10 |
| gnomefreak | ok than lets go | 11:10 |
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| gnomefreak | [topic] The necessity of packaging extensions. | 11:11 |
| Moot2 | New topic: The necessity of packaging extensions. | 11:11 |
| gnomefreak | dfarning: just in time | 11:11 |
| dfarning | hey all | 11:11 |
| gnomefreak | :) | 11:11 |
| asac | hi | 11:11 |
| dfarning | my topic is there really need to repackage extensions? | 11:11 |
| asac | general rule imo: | 11:11 |
| asac | extensions with native components (e.g. included shared libs) are always worth consideration inclusion | 11:12 |
| gnomefreak | i would like to get a few in if at all possible but upstream for extentions sucks | 11:12 |
| asac | other extensions not as they are available for all | 11:12 |
| pochu | hi dfarning :) | 11:12 |
| asac | exception: in case its highly ubuntu specific, consider to include (e.g. launchpad extension) | 11:12 |
| dfarning | which ones have shared libs | 11:12 |
| asac | enigmail ... colorzilla | 11:12 |
| asac | actually thats why we see the crash in colorzilla | 11:13 |
| gnomefreak | asac: only one i found like that is the ubuntu forums menu but its eh | 11:13 |
| dfarning | ah ok | 11:13 |
| asac | there should be not that many extensions ... but there are some | 11:13 |
| === gnomefreak cant live without enigmail | ||
| poningru | gnomefreak++ | 11:13 |
| === poningru either | ||
| dfarning | should we look at them on a case by case basis reject unnecessary packages | 11:13 |
| asac | yes. | 11:14 |
| poningru | but why? | 11:14 |
| gnomefreak | dfarning: asac how about we work together to come up with a list and see what happens (if we can include them at all) | 11:14 |
| dfarning | that is my thought also | 11:14 |
| asac | lets deal with them as soon as there is a request for inclusion. | 11:14 |
| poningru | hmm true that | 11:14 |
| gnomefreak | there are 2 that im aware of with request one formal one informal | 11:14 |
| poningru | dfarning: are you talking about removing certain packaged extensions? | 11:15 |
| dfarning | we should look into only packaging the package that we need and grab the others from upstream | 11:15 |
| pochu | gnomefreak: enigmail+1 | 11:15 |
| AlexLatchford | Howdy | 11:16 |
| dfarning | ill set up a wiki and we can work through them | 11:16 |
| pochu | hi AlexLatchford! | 11:16 |
| gnomefreak | ok cool | 11:16 |
| gnomefreak | hi AlexLatchford | 11:16 |
| gnomefreak | can we move on? | 11:16 |
| dfarning | yes | 11:16 |
| AlexLatchford | what we up to? | 11:16 |
| gnomefreak | [topic] Mozilla Council start-up. | 11:16 |
| Moot2 | New topic: Mozilla Council start-up. | 11:16 |
| AlexLatchford | aha good | 11:16 |
| gnomefreak | AlexLatchford: all over the place | 11:16 |
| AlexLatchford | cool cool | 11:16 |
| gnomefreak | we already got one of yorus | 11:16 |
| AlexLatchford | thats cool | 11:16 |
| dfarning | I have been interacting quite a bit with both up and down stream organization | 11:17 |
| asac | dfarning: is that on-topic " Mozilla Council start-up" ? | 11:17 |
| sladen | hello people, re: the ColorZilla binary issue, there's a thread on the ubuntu-uk and I contacted the upstream author | 11:17 |
| gnomefreak | dfarning: you thoughts on the council? | 11:17 |
| dfarning | would like a formal method of helping make some of the decisions | 11:18 |
| asac | sladen: i am already in contact with auther | 11:18 |
| asac | please lets do not duplicate work | 11:18 |
| asac | he will probably release as free-software so we can package it up | 11:18 |
| asac | but lets see what his final decision is | 11:18 |
| AlexLatchford | can we please stay on topic :) | 11:18 |
| asac | k | 11:18 |
| dfarning | i would like to be able to present ideas that other organization have to the conuncial for vote | 11:19 |
| gnomefreak | dfarning: we can set that up fairly easy. can you outline what the councils positions will be (as in what we do) final member process so on | 11:19 |
| sladen | asac: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2007-February/003185.html | 11:19 |
| dfarning | yes will base it on cc | 11:19 |
| poningru | wont we have to run this by them first? | 11:20 |
| poningru | cc/tech board | 11:20 |
| dfarning | I'll bring it up | 11:20 |
| AlexLatchford | I don't think so | 11:20 |
| asac | i think we have to | 11:20 |
| gnomefreak | dfarning: if you or someone else or both can outline this on a wiki as in what council would do what process for memebers should be so on? | 11:21 |
| dfarning | yes, by next meeting;) | 11:21 |
| gnomefreak | k :) sorry me sucks at wikis | 11:21 |
| AlexLatchford | dfarning: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Council | 11:21 |
| AlexLatchford | :) | 11:21 |
| dfarning | I will do it will seek jonos advice | 11:21 |
| gnomefreak | ok sounds good to me | 11:22 |
| gnomefreak | move on? | 11:22 |
| dfarning | next | 11:22 |
| gnomefreak | [topic] What has been done and what needs to be done from last meeting. | 11:22 |
| Moot2 | New topic: What has been done and what needs to be done from last meeting. | 11:22 |
| gnomefreak | basicly what hasnt been done from last meeting anything that really needs to be? | 11:22 |
| dfarning | for me me the biggest blocker apport so you guys can have good crash reports | 11:23 |
| dfarning | good progress this weekend | 11:23 |
| asac | dfarning: state on that? you talked to martin? | 11:23 |
| dfarning | yes a got a mail back from him | 11:23 |
| gnomefreak | yay | 11:23 |
| AlexLatchford | I have been working on the wiki more, defining a structure and annoying guidelines to follow, also worked on a few pages. | 11:24 |
| dfarning | I'll email you all the detail. cause i can't type fast enough | 11:24 |
| gnomefreak | dfarning: is it in progress atleast?" | 11:24 |
| dfarning | very good progress | 11:24 |
| gnomefreak | good | 11:24 |
| asac | ok, so dfarning will email details on apport | 11:24 |
| asac | next? | 11:24 |
| gnomefreak | that and bughelper | 11:25 |
| dfarning | does alex need help on the wiki it is starting to take shape | 11:25 |
| gnomefreak | are the only 2 things that are biggest concern outside of wikis IMHO | 11:25 |
| AlexLatchford | Well as I have written the guidelines now, people can jump in | 11:25 |
| asac | i add content when i have to time to :) | 11:25 |
| asac | feel free to reorganize like you wish | 11:26 |
| dfarning | I am considering bh block by apport for now | 11:26 |
| gnomefreak | ok thats fine | 11:26 |
| dfarning | gnomefreak, what are they? | 11:26 |
| AlexLatchford | I think the biggest problem we have is TB-dbg package for Edgy and below | 11:26 |
| dfarning | i'll hit on that in the apport email;) | 11:26 |
| asac | ok ... we'll know more later | 11:26 |
| asac | lets move ;) | 11:27 |
| gnomefreak | ok that is fine for now | 11:27 |
| gnomefreak | asac: your up | 11:27 |
| AlexLatchford | I mean we have 100 reports for edgy and below in TB we can do nothing about | 11:27 |
| gnomefreak | [topic] bug tags and workflow | 11:27 |
| Moot2 | New topic: bug tags and workflow | 11:27 |
| gnomefreak | so you can go :) | 11:27 |
| asac | actually i updated the wiki page for bug states ... it should be rather complete for needs info and confirm now. | 11:27 |
| asac | maybe we should try how it works ... and then discuss at next meeting? | 11:28 |
| asac | feel free to ask if you have questions | 11:28 |
| poningru | hmm | 11:28 |
| gnomefreak | ok we can push it | 11:28 |
| asac | anyway, I would like some action on improving the blueprints | 11:28 |
| asac | (last point in the list) | 11:28 |
| AlexLatchford | I personally haven't had the time to read the page yet | 11:28 |
| asac | AlexLatchford: yes ... so lets wait a week to get feedback | 11:28 |
| gnomefreak | i read through it but it was differnet than what was on the tags page | 11:28 |
| gnomefreak | but i havent looked at since since you updated it | 11:29 |
| dfarning | bug state look like they are comin along nicely | 11:29 |
| dfarning | are they stable to add the state names to bh | 11:30 |
| asac | i updated tag page | 11:30 |
| asac | a bit already | 11:30 |
| gnomefreak | asac: what do you mean improving blueprint (when to use where to use each tag?) | 11:30 |
| asac | no ... bulk responses | 11:30 |
| asac | like | 11:30 |
| asac | please list what extensions installed, which plugins, etc. | 11:30 |
| dfarning | soon apport will take care of those question for us;) | 11:30 |
| AlexLatchford | in /bugs/Triage/Responses | 11:30 |
| gnomefreak | ok i agree we need to do some work with that including getting rid of the 3 that are exact same reponce | 11:31 |
| asac | those text can be improved. e.g. by run -safe-mode and if the problem goes away, try to figure out what extension is missing | 11:31 |
| gnomefreak | AlexLatchford: yes | 11:31 |
| asac | eah ... what extension breaks :) | 11:31 |
| AlexLatchford | asac: this is on my todo list | 11:31 |
| gnomefreak | cool | 11:31 |
| asac | if you need input on them just ask :) | 11:31 |
| asac | AlexLatchford: ^^ | 11:31 |
| AlexLatchford | I will try to get to it by the next meeting, please feel free to submit some on the mailing list | 11:31 |
| dfarning | I is would be helpful if you could like the most impost questions | 11:32 |
| dfarning | s/like/list | 11:32 |
| AlexLatchford | I would actually appreciate it if a topic in the mailing list was started with responses, ill start one up later | 11:32 |
| asac | ok ... agree i think i will update wiki bits as good as i can :) | 11:32 |
| gnomefreak | AlexLatchford: sounds good to me | 11:32 |
| gnomefreak | moving on? | 11:32 |
| asac | ok | 11:32 |
| dfarning | yes | 11:32 |
| gnomefreak | [topic] Taking over the [WWW] Thunderbird package from Mark Shuttleworth. | 11:33 |
| Moot2 | New topic: Taking over the [WWW] Thunderbird package from Mark Shuttleworth. | 11:33 |
| gnomefreak | i think that is not nessicerary the more i look at the page | 11:33 |
| asac | agree | 11:33 |
| AlexLatchford | well I saw the page for firefox, which we have control over | 11:33 |
| gnomefreak | its not really saying anything that concerns us directly | 11:33 |
| gnomefreak | AlexLatchford: if i see mark online ill ping him about it if i remember? | 11:34 |
| AlexLatchford | I am not sure exactly what owning the package does, but it would be useful maybe for asac and/or gnomefreak for releases maybe | 11:34 |
| AlexLatchford | Well I am unsure of exactly what owning the package gives you the benefit of | 11:34 |
| gnomefreak | AlexLatchford: that isnt at our level i dont think | 11:34 |
| gnomefreak | AlexLatchford: nothing | 11:35 |
| AlexLatchford | I would like to see Mozilla Bugs as the Bug Contact at least | 11:35 |
| gnomefreak | AlexLatchford: mark own ubuntu so he kind of own all packages | 11:35 |
| AlexLatchford | cool | 11:35 |
| dfarning | I'll work on getting the bugs assigned | 11:35 |
| AlexLatchford | yeah, this needs to be done | 11:35 |
| gnomefreak | cool | 11:35 |
| AlexLatchford | I got another 200 emails again | 11:35 |
| gnomefreak | 338 | 11:35 |
| gnomefreak | :( | 11:36 |
| asac | dfarning: what do you mean by getting bugs assigned? | 11:36 |
| asac | ah sorry :) | 11:36 |
| asac | missed the topic switch | 11:36 |
| dfarning | IT is a pita becuase all of the lp folks are working on the lp beta'( | 11:36 |
| AlexLatchford | changing them from being assigned to Mozilla Team to the Mozilla Bugs | 11:36 |
| dfarning | yes | 11:36 |
| dfarning | and assign tb bugs to -bugs | 11:36 |
| AlexLatchford | so it doesnt email bug changes out to all the Mozilla Team members | 11:36 |
| asac | AlexLatchford: can't you setup a mail filter? | 11:36 |
| asac | and as soon as lp members have some time | 11:37 |
| asac | they can run an update? | 11:37 |
| AlexLatchford | mail filter? | 11:37 |
| asac | yes | 11:37 |
| dfarning | AlexLatchford, right | 11:37 |
| asac | you can filter X-Launchpad-Bug: header | 11:37 |
| asac | should be easy to setup | 11:37 |
| asac | e.g. | 11:37 |
| dfarning | lp team is overall being very help. I don't want to push them | 11:37 |
| AlexLatchford | oh right okay, that would be a temporary fix | 11:37 |
| asac | X-Launchpad-Bug: distribution=ubuntu; sourcepackage=firefox; component=main; | 11:37 |
| asac | status=Needs Info; importance=Wishlist; assignee=mozillateam; | 11:37 |
| asac | you can filter what you want out of this | 11:38 |
| asac | e.g. sort by package, by status, by importance, by assignee | 11:38 |
| AlexLatchford | well it doesn;t bother me too much | 11:38 |
| AlexLatchford | but I would prefer it to be fixed, I will try the filter for now though | 11:38 |
| gnomefreak | ok move on. we have 2 more topics to go than asac can get moving ;) | 11:38 |
| dfarning | next | 11:38 |
| gnomefreak | [topic] Faster response time for security update | 11:38 |
| Moot2 | New topic: Faster response time for security update | 11:38 |
| poningru | ok so | 11:39 |
| asac | i try my best and work with martin get things up in time. i am member of mozilla security group so i usually get notification in time | 11:39 |
| gnomefreak | this im sure will be worked out but we are a new team and trying to do alot of things | 11:39 |
| poningru | it seems that ubuntu packages are only updated once the firefox security point release actually comes out | 11:39 |
| dfarning | I think kees was just overworked | 11:40 |
| asac | poningru: yes ... thats common procedure | 11:40 |
| dfarning | should improve now:) | 11:40 |
| poningru | what we can probably do is package the rc spins and test that ourselves | 11:40 |
| asac | running rc preview packages is good to detect any QA problems up-front | 11:40 |
| === gnomefreak will brb shouldnt be long | ||
| asac | so this is a good thing to have. | 11:40 |
| asac | at best some member of our team can do this on a regular basis? | 11:41 |
| poningru | yeah I would love to do this | 11:41 |
| poningru | as soon as I can figure out packaging well enough | 11:41 |
| poningru | still figuring out all the ins and outs | 11:41 |
| asac | i explained a bit to gnomefreak already ... should be in irc logs already ;) | 11:41 |
| poningru | hehe | 11:42 |
| dfarning | I log were very good I package fx last week bases on them | 11:42 |
| asac | i can assist you ... if you promise to carry know how to other members as well ... at best setting up some introduction pages in wiki too. | 11:42 |
| asac | :) | 11:42 |
| dfarning | I would like to set up some semi formal session on packaging so we are not always bugging asac | 11:42 |
| asac | yes ... thats good | 11:43 |
| asac | we can arrange some time :) | 11:43 |
| dfarning | he need tim to work on the technical stuff | 11:43 |
| poningru | tim? | 11:43 |
| dfarning | time | 11:43 |
| gnomefreak | time | 11:43 |
| poningru | oh | 11:43 |
| poningru | lol | 11:43 |
| poningru | I was thinking s/he/we | 11:43 |
| === gnomefreak working on what i see as hard packaging with tb a ff betas | ||
| gnomefreak | i wasnt here is that done? | 11:44 |
| gnomefreak | we have one more i wouold like asac output on | 11:44 |
| dfarning | we will set up semi formal learning time slots to better ulitize our expert resources | 11:44 |
| dfarning | next | 11:44 |
| asac | :) well phrased :) | 11:44 |
| gnomefreak | [topic] renaming packages | 11:45 |
| Moot2 | New topic: renaming packages | 11:45 |
| gnomefreak | ok renaming mozilla-thunderbird to thunderbird | 11:45 |
| asac | ah ... ok renaming packages is always a pita ... and hardly worth the efford. | 11:45 |
| asac | i see that its inconsitent atm | 11:45 |
| gnomefreak | and mozilla-firefox to just firefox | 11:45 |
| asac | but would like to defer that to post feisty | 11:45 |
| poningru | whats the reason? | 11:45 |
| gnomefreak | although i think we dropped mozilla-firefox transitinal package | 11:45 |
| asac | the reason firefox was renamed is that debian renamed both, but nobody was here to do the proper thunderbird transition | 11:46 |
| AlexLatchford | So if you are going to follow with Thunderbird it will be in Feisty+1 | 11:46 |
| AlexLatchford | ? | 11:46 |
| AlexLatchford | s/you/we/ | 11:46 |
| gnomefreak | most liekly | 11:46 |
| asac | thats why we are at the current state | 11:46 |
| AlexLatchford | ish | 11:46 |
| dfarning | there is not consistant name because of renaming that occured before the branking agreement | 11:46 |
| poningru | ah ic | 11:46 |
| gnomefreak | likely | 11:46 |
| asac | we currently work with mozilla to clarify if they want mozilla- prefix or not | 11:46 |
| AlexLatchford | hmm okay, just seems like at the moment there are a load of naming inconsistencies, flash also being a major problem | 11:47 |
| gnomefreak | asac: dfarning is this something to look forward to for feisty+1? | 11:47 |
| dfarning | defer to feisty+1 | 11:47 |
| AlexLatchford | sounds good to me | 11:47 |
| dfarning | bug catchup more important for now | 11:47 |
| AlexLatchford | agreed | 11:47 |
| asac | probably when upgrading to 2.0 we can change name | 11:47 |
| AlexLatchford | seems sensible | 11:48 |
| asac | for now it matters that we build tbird with official branding. | 11:48 |
| gnomefreak | Faster response time for security update is the bug that i brought that up about | 11:48 |
| gnomefreak | hmmmmmmm | 11:48 |
| poningru | quick offtopic: is anyone building ff 2.0.0.2 r4? | 11:48 |
| gnomefreak | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/+bug/70937 | 11:48 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 70937 in mozilla-thunderbird "Package "mozilla-thunderbird" should be renamed to "thunderbird"" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 11:48 |
| gnomefreak | poningru: i have it on to do list | 11:48 |
| poningru | gnomefreak: I wanna help | 11:48 |
| asac | ok ... is that it? | 11:49 |
| gnomefreak | [topic] Any other matters that we missed or needs to be discussed? | 11:49 |
| Moot2 | New topic: Any other matters that we missed or needs to be discussed? | 11:49 |
| AlexLatchford | none from me | 11:49 |
| dfarning | i am satisified | 11:50 |
| gnomefreak | asac: go go go :) | 11:50 |
| gnomefreak | #endmeeting | 11:50 |
| Moot2 | Meeting finished at 23:50. | 11:50 |
| asac | cu all! | 11:50 |
| AlexLatchford | buh bye | 11:50 |
| gnomefreak | bye :) | 11:50 |
| dfarning | meet again in 2 weeks | 11:50 |
| gnomefreak | ok someone needs to figure out the bot stuff now | 11:50 |
| AndrewWilliams | Meeting log can be found at: http://rimmer.incognitus.net/~mootbot/ubuntu-meeting.20070219_2232.html, and full irc log at: http://rimmer.incognitus.net/~mootbot/ubuntu-meeting.log.20070219_2232.html | 11:50 |
| dfarning | thank for all your hard work | 11:50 |
| gnomefreak | is that another bot? | 11:51 |
| poningru | awesome | 11:51 |
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| AlexLatchford | lol gnomefreak no, he is the person commanding the bot | 11:52 |
| gnomefreak | ah | 11:52 |
| AlexLatchford | gnomefreak: if you want I will help chair the next meeting? | 11:52 |
| gnomefreak | thats fine | 11:52 |
| gnomefreak | who wants to clean the wiki? | 11:52 |
| AlexLatchford | leave it up for now | 11:52 |
| gnomefreak | k | 11:52 |
| AlexLatchford | i need to make the minutes | 11:52 |
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