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[n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:30] yarr [10:31] gnomefreak: who is not here? === Seeker` [n=cjo20@84-12-195-25.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:32] Freddy, Martin, ?? [10:32] ups Freddy, David, ?? [10:32] gnomefreak went out for a 'smoke' [10:32] #startmeeting [10:32] Meeting started at 22:32. The chair is gnomefreak. [10:33] want to wait a few more minutes to see if others show up? [10:33] sure [10:33] thats fine [10:33] damn thing pms me too :( [10:33] lol [10:34] who is here for the meeting? === poningru is [10:34] brb === crimsun is [10:34] brb == you rnot here for meeting ;) [10:34] Freddy, David are missing [10:35] asac: how long do you have here? [10:36] freedy wont be here [10:36] he said something about it yesterday/over weekend the more i think of it === ajmitch lurks [10:37] will be here ... but maybe not that responsive for some minutes :) [10:37] i have 2 ageda points im sure are the same as eachother [10:37] 60 min. at least :) [10:37] hello! [10:38] ther eyou are [10:38] :) [10:38] back [10:38] pochu: we will be starting soon. [10:38] gnomefreak: when you want :) === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-7-57.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === huib [n=chatzill@h21267191114.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:38] not me when david shows up [10:38] who is eldo? === poningru is eldo [10:39] ah [10:39] poningru: and pochu i think your ageda points are the same but we will go over it [10:40] gnomefreak: looking [10:40] gnomefreak: don't know :) [10:40] it is? [10:41] which one? the tbird and...? [10:41] nvm miss read it [10:42] poningru: I'm emilio [10:42] hehe === poningru gathered [10:47] ok guess we can start? [10:48] asac: if it ok with you we can start with the ones that david nor alex need to be here for like poningru and pochu's points? [10:49] ok [10:49] [topic] include thunderbird 2.0 rc in Feisty [10:49] New topic: include thunderbird 2.0 rc in Feisty [10:50] can someone please summarize what was done with firefox in edgy? [10:50] asac: we added non released ff in edgy [10:50] securty fixes got us to where we are with it iirc [10:50] pochu: ping your up [10:50] hmm [10:50] hi! [10:51] what is released fro tbird 2.0 already? [10:51] rc1 ? [10:51] asac pochu the issue i see is tb 2.0 is far off iirc [10:51] rc1 i think [10:51] gnomefreak: not that far off [10:51] rc1 is later febraury [10:51] I think it's still beta2 [10:51] looking [10:51] poningru: oh yes it is [10:51] yes beta2 [10:51] gnomefreak: couple of months [10:51] i think its just not stable enough to push a beta2 [10:51] asac: you still have that link you gave me about it? [10:52] we can try to prepare thunderbird package though, in case mozilla releases 2.0 in time for feisty [10:52] beta2 [10:52] poningru: there is no date set last i heard [10:52] gnomefreak: nope no date set [10:52] asac: rc1 should be out in february [10:52] poningru: its still a ways off there are alot of things holding it back [10:52] http://www.mozilla.org/projects/thunderbird/roadmap.html [10:52] gnomefreak: but iirc goal is 2nd quarter 07 [10:53] First Quarter 2007 Final Release [10:53] that would be too late [10:53] first quarter [10:53] ah nm [10:53] all we can do is be as good prepared as possible to push thunderbird 2 fast in case it gets released in time [10:53] asac: have you decided to open a repo for our packages? [10:53] I've added this item because, in case final isn't at time, we could get rc, as we did with firefox === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:54] asac, gnomefreak I still think we should include the rc [10:54] we'll have to see ... take a look at still open blocker bugs et al. [10:54] pochu: but edgy was a throw anything you can in it before run out of time [10:54] it is stable enough to be used [10:54] and as soon as final in out, include it [10:54] asac: i was gonna show them that link but i dont hav eit [10:55] oh hold on [10:55] re: blocker bugs [10:56] asac: feature freeze is over with anyway. and since its in main its not gonna be fun to try and push through [10:56] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?keywords_type=nowords&keywords=fixed1.8.1+verified1.8.1+fixed1.8.1.1+verified1.8.1.1+fixed1.8.1.2+verified1.8.1.2&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=blocking-thunderbird2%2B&order=map_assigned_to.login_name,bugs.bug_id [10:56] gnomefreak: agree ...its not standard procedure to ship rc releases in main [10:56] correct [10:56] hmm [10:57] if you set up a repo they can get the buids we will have for them that thats a differnet story [10:57] i will ask release team about what they think? [10:57] I said it because edgy... :D === gnomefreak will end up with builds of them anyway :) [10:57] pochu: edgy was a different story it wasnt gonna be stable === huib [n=chatzill@h21267191114.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [10:58] it was but that fell though due to time restraints [10:58] gnomefreak: ok, then it's clarify :) [10:58] ACTION: I will ask release team [10:58] and would be possible to include it if it's late? [10:58] ok I guess I see that === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:59] will ask about requirements [10:59] ok lets move on we will hold this for asac to dicuss it with release team [10:59] ok :) [10:59] true [10:59] yeah ... but don't be too optimistic ... I would say no will be the answer :/ [11:00] [topic] Weekly builds for browser and mail [11:00] New topic: Weekly builds for browser and mail === gnomefreak could have told you that before you go infront of them main is strict [11:00] hehe [11:00] ok so in the mozillazine forums every day [11:00] poningru: we can have them but not in feisty repos [11:00] gnomefreak: ofcourse [11:00] poningru: im working on tb 2.0 and firefox 3.0 [11:00] weekly builds from the trunk code? [11:01] pochu: yes [11:01] i work on a solution to setup a previe archive. we could release from there, but we would need to coordinate builds for different architectures [11:01] gnomefreak: I was thinking about for our own repo and on a testing team for the forum [11:01] however, we cannot release with official branding [11:02] asac: ok i only have dgy and feisty arch 386 :( [11:02] asac: ofcourse [11:02] edgy* [11:02] right, I was just going to inquire about upstream's blessing those weeklies [11:02] asac: even upstreams daily trunk stuff does not include their branding [11:02] but lets try to push this to the time after release of feisty for now. [11:02] poningru: yes ... just wanted to note that [11:03] asac: agreed i will still work on them if i get time but i wont focus on them [11:03] if anyone wants to do it, feel free ... However, i think its not the best task to start with on packaging. [11:03] oh bleh its fun :( [11:03] so we need to have it on all the archs and supported versions? [11:04] poningru: best idea [11:04] no ... only those that we receive requests for [11:04] asac: I was thinking this primarily for getting more people involved for testing [11:04] 64 and 386 for now i would think [11:04] as in we post on the forums 'this weeks build is up' [11:05] poningru: yeah ... if there is someone who has other archs we can organise it once preview archive is setup [11:05] yeah [11:06] ok, move on? [11:06] to what? [11:06] Adding [WWW] Thunderbird-Human-Theme to the repositories. ? [11:06] so... if someone wants to do this just do it? [11:06] yes ... otherwise, I will do it in time after feisty [11:06] [topic] Adding [WWW] Thunderbird-Human-Theme to the repositories. [11:06] New topic: Adding [WWW] Thunderbird-Human-Theme to the repositories. [11:06] or wait for the repos to come up? [11:06] oh ok [11:06] poningru: work on ff [11:06] anyone can say something about the quality of that theme? [11:07] link to the theme? === gnomefreak doesnt use ubuntu themes i hate thte orange [11:07] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/HumanThunderbird === poningru too [11:07] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/HumanThunderbird [11:07] i think its a good idea to do that. [11:08] was it wanting to be built into tb? [11:08] however we have to figure out if this is of good quality and if there is an active upstream for it [11:08] so in case we need new icons, there is actually someone we can bug [11:08] its not that hard to maintain a theme for tbird/firefox [11:09] can you paint icons? [11:09] i see that as something to look into but again wont happen for feisty (atleast i wouldnt think so) [11:09] asac: yes [11:09] ok ... gtk [11:09] blargh? [11:09] ok ... lets include theme in feisty+1 and if we receive good feedback, maybe make it default theme [11:09] i like [11:09] yeah sounds good [11:10] can we take a breif break maybe 3-5 minutes [11:10] hmmm ... but then lets hurry === juliux_ [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:10] getting really late here ;) [11:10] ... dont you dare say its for a smoke [11:10] and if you have davids number get to calling him [11:10] ok than lets go === dfarning [n=dfarning@d15-195.rb2.lax.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:11] [topic] The necessity of packaging extensions. [11:11] New topic: The necessity of packaging extensions. [11:11] dfarning: just in time [11:11] hey all [11:11] :) [11:11] hi [11:11] my topic is there really need to repackage extensions? [11:11] general rule imo: [11:12] extensions with native components (e.g. included shared libs) are always worth consideration inclusion [11:12] i would like to get a few in if at all possible but upstream for extentions sucks [11:12] other extensions not as they are available for all [11:12] hi dfarning :) [11:12] exception: in case its highly ubuntu specific, consider to include (e.g. launchpad extension) [11:12] which ones have shared libs [11:12] enigmail ... colorzilla [11:13] actually thats why we see the crash in colorzilla [11:13] asac: only one i found like that is the ubuntu forums menu but its eh [11:13] ah ok [11:13] there should be not that many extensions ... but there are some === gnomefreak cant live without enigmail [11:13] gnomefreak++ === poningru either [11:13] should we look at them on a case by case basis reject unnecessary packages [11:14] yes. [11:14] but why? [11:14] dfarning: asac how about we work together to come up with a list and see what happens (if we can include them at all) [11:14] that is my thought also [11:14] lets deal with them as soon as there is a request for inclusion. [11:14] hmm true that [11:14] there are 2 that im aware of with request one formal one informal [11:15] dfarning: are you talking about removing certain packaged extensions? [11:15] we should look into only packaging the package that we need and grab the others from upstream [11:15] gnomefreak: enigmail+1 [11:16] Howdy [11:16] ill set up a wiki and we can work through them [11:16] hi AlexLatchford! [11:16] ok cool [11:16] hi AlexLatchford [11:16] can we move on? [11:16] yes [11:16] what we up to? [11:16] [topic] Mozilla Council start-up. [11:16] New topic: Mozilla Council start-up. [11:16] aha good [11:16] AlexLatchford: all over the place [11:16] cool cool [11:16] we already got one of yorus [11:16] thats cool [11:17] I have been interacting quite a bit with both up and down stream organization [11:17] dfarning: is that on-topic " Mozilla Council start-up" ? [11:17] hello people, re: the ColorZilla binary issue, there's a thread on the ubuntu-uk and I contacted the upstream author [11:17] dfarning: you thoughts on the council? [11:18] would like a formal method of helping make some of the decisions [11:18] sladen: i am already in contact with auther [11:18] please lets do not duplicate work [11:18] he will probably release as free-software so we can package it up [11:18] but lets see what his final decision is [11:18] can we please stay on topic :) [11:18] k [11:19] i would like to be able to present ideas that other organization have to the conuncial for vote [11:19] dfarning: we can set that up fairly easy. can you outline what the councils positions will be (as in what we do) final member process so on [11:19] asac: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2007-February/003185.html [11:19] yes will base it on cc [11:20] wont we have to run this by them first? [11:20] cc/tech board [11:20] I'll bring it up [11:20] I don't think so [11:20] i think we have to [11:21] dfarning: if you or someone else or both can outline this on a wiki as in what council would do what process for memebers should be so on? [11:21] yes, by next meeting;) [11:21] k :) sorry me sucks at wikis [11:21] dfarning: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Council [11:21] :) [11:21] I will do it will seek jonos advice [11:22] ok sounds good to me [11:22] move on? [11:22] next [11:22] [topic] What has been done and what needs to be done from last meeting. [11:22] New topic: What has been done and what needs to be done from last meeting. [11:22] basicly what hasnt been done from last meeting anything that really needs to be? [11:23] for me me the biggest blocker apport so you guys can have good crash reports [11:23] good progress this weekend [11:23] dfarning: state on that? you talked to martin? [11:23] yes a got a mail back from him [11:23] yay [11:24] I have been working on the wiki more, defining a structure and annoying guidelines to follow, also worked on a few pages. [11:24] I'll email you all the detail. cause i can't type fast enough [11:24] dfarning: is it in progress atleast?" [11:24] very good progress [11:24] good [11:24] ok, so dfarning will email details on apport [11:24] next? [11:25] that and bughelper [11:25] does alex need help on the wiki it is starting to take shape [11:25] are the only 2 things that are biggest concern outside of wikis IMHO [11:25] Well as I have written the guidelines now, people can jump in [11:25] i add content when i have to time to :) [11:26] feel free to reorganize like you wish [11:26] I am considering bh block by apport for now [11:26] ok thats fine [11:26] gnomefreak, what are they? [11:26] I think the biggest problem we have is TB-dbg package for Edgy and below [11:26] i'll hit on that in the apport email;) [11:26] ok ... we'll know more later [11:27] lets move ;) [11:27] ok that is fine for now [11:27] asac: your up [11:27] I mean we have 100 reports for edgy and below in TB we can do nothing about [11:27] [topic] bug tags and workflow [11:27] New topic: bug tags and workflow [11:27] so you can go :) [11:27] actually i updated the wiki page for bug states ... it should be rather complete for needs info and confirm now. [11:28] maybe we should try how it works ... and then discuss at next meeting? [11:28] feel free to ask if you have questions [11:28] hmm [11:28] ok we can push it [11:28] anyway, I would like some action on improving the blueprints [11:28] (last point in the list) [11:28] I personally haven't had the time to read the page yet [11:28] AlexLatchford: yes ... so lets wait a week to get feedback [11:28] i read through it but it was differnet than what was on the tags page [11:29] but i havent looked at since since you updated it [11:29] bug state look like they are comin along nicely [11:30] are they stable to add the state names to bh [11:30] i updated tag page [11:30] a bit already [11:30] asac: what do you mean improving blueprint (when to use where to use each tag?) [11:30] no ... bulk responses [11:30] like [11:30] please list what extensions installed, which plugins, etc. [11:30] soon apport will take care of those question for us;) [11:30] in /bugs/Triage/Responses [11:31] ok i agree we need to do some work with that including getting rid of the 3 that are exact same reponce [11:31] those text can be improved. e.g. by run -safe-mode and if the problem goes away, try to figure out what extension is missing [11:31] AlexLatchford: yes [11:31] eah ... what extension breaks :) [11:31] asac: this is on my todo list [11:31] cool [11:31] if you need input on them just ask :) [11:31] AlexLatchford: ^^ [11:31] I will try to get to it by the next meeting, please feel free to submit some on the mailing list [11:32] I is would be helpful if you could like the most impost questions [11:32] s/like/list [11:32] I would actually appreciate it if a topic in the mailing list was started with responses, ill start one up later [11:32] ok ... agree i think i will update wiki bits as good as i can :) [11:32] AlexLatchford: sounds good to me [11:32] moving on? [11:32] ok [11:32] yes [11:33] [topic] Taking over the [WWW] Thunderbird package from Mark Shuttleworth. [11:33] New topic: Taking over the [WWW] Thunderbird package from Mark Shuttleworth. [11:33] i think that is not nessicerary the more i look at the page [11:33] agree [11:33] well I saw the page for firefox, which we have control over [11:33] its not really saying anything that concerns us directly [11:34] AlexLatchford: if i see mark online ill ping him about it if i remember? [11:34] I am not sure exactly what owning the package does, but it would be useful maybe for asac and/or gnomefreak for releases maybe [11:34] Well I am unsure of exactly what owning the package gives you the benefit of [11:34] AlexLatchford: that isnt at our level i dont think [11:35] AlexLatchford: nothing [11:35] I would like to see Mozilla Bugs as the Bug Contact at least [11:35] AlexLatchford: mark own ubuntu so he kind of own all packages [11:35] cool [11:35] I'll work on getting the bugs assigned [11:35] yeah, this needs to be done [11:35] cool [11:35] I got another 200 emails again [11:35] 338 [11:36] :( [11:36] dfarning: what do you mean by getting bugs assigned? [11:36] ah sorry :) [11:36] missed the topic switch [11:36] IT is a pita becuase all of the lp folks are working on the lp beta'( [11:36] changing them from being assigned to Mozilla Team to the Mozilla Bugs [11:36] yes [11:36] and assign tb bugs to -bugs [11:36] so it doesnt email bug changes out to all the Mozilla Team members [11:36] AlexLatchford: can't you setup a mail filter? [11:37] and as soon as lp members have some time [11:37] they can run an update? [11:37] mail filter? [11:37] yes [11:37] AlexLatchford, right [11:37] you can filter X-Launchpad-Bug: header [11:37] should be easy to setup [11:37] e.g. [11:37] lp team is overall being very help. I don't want to push them [11:37] oh right okay, that would be a temporary fix [11:37] X-Launchpad-Bug: distribution=ubuntu; sourcepackage=firefox; component=main; [11:37] status=Needs Info; importance=Wishlist; assignee=mozillateam; [11:38] you can filter what you want out of this [11:38] e.g. sort by package, by status, by importance, by assignee [11:38] well it doesn;t bother me too much [11:38] but I would prefer it to be fixed, I will try the filter for now though [11:38] ok move on. we have 2 more topics to go than asac can get moving ;) [11:38] next [11:38] [topic] Faster response time for security update [11:38] New topic: Faster response time for security update [11:39] ok so [11:39] i try my best and work with martin get things up in time. i am member of mozilla security group so i usually get notification in time [11:39] this im sure will be worked out but we are a new team and trying to do alot of things [11:39] it seems that ubuntu packages are only updated once the firefox security point release actually comes out [11:40] I think kees was just overworked [11:40] poningru: yes ... thats common procedure [11:40] should improve now:) [11:40] what we can probably do is package the rc spins and test that ourselves [11:40] running rc preview packages is good to detect any QA problems up-front === gnomefreak will brb shouldnt be long [11:40] so this is a good thing to have. [11:41] at best some member of our team can do this on a regular basis? [11:41]