[01:44] <pochu> @schedule
[01:44] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 19 Feb 21:30: Mozilla Team | 21 Feb 12:00: Edubuntu | 21 Feb 16:00: Kernel Team | 22 Feb 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 Feb 17:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team Mentor | 25 Feb 17:00: LoCo Team
[07:01] <poningru> @schedule EST
[07:01] <Ubugtu> Schedule for EST: 19 Feb 16:30: Mozilla Team | 21 Feb 07:00: Edubuntu | 21 Feb 11:00: Kernel Team | 22 Feb 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 25 Feb 12:00: LoCo Team | 26 Feb 18:00: Community Council
[07:23] <pochu> @cet
[07:24] <juliux> @schedule berlin
[07:24] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 19 Feb 22:30: Mozilla Team | 21 Feb 13:00: Edubuntu | 21 Feb 17:00: Kernel Team | 22 Feb 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 25 Feb 18:00: LoCo Team | 27 Feb 00:00: Community Council
[07:24] <pochu> @schedule cet
[07:24] <Ubugtu> Schedule for CET: 19 Feb 22:30: Mozilla Team | 21 Feb 13:00: Edubuntu | 21 Feb 17:00: Kernel Team | 22 Feb 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 25 Feb 18:00: LoCo Team | 27 Feb 00:00: Community Council
[07:53] <guerby> @schedule paris
[07:53] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Paris: 19 Feb 22:30: Mozilla Team | 21 Feb 13:00: Edubuntu | 21 Feb 17:00: Kernel Team | 22 Feb 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 25 Feb 18:00: LoCo Team | 27 Feb 00:00: Community Council
[08:45] <hjmf> @schedule valencia
[08:45] <hjmf> @schedule Madrid
[08:45] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Madrid: 19 Feb 22:30: Mozilla Team | 21 Feb 13:00: Edubuntu | 21 Feb 17:00: Kernel Team | 22 Feb 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 25 Feb 18:00: LoCo Team | 27 Feb 00:00: Community Council
[09:35] <pochu> @now cet
[09:35] <Ubugtu> Current time in CET: February 19 2007, 21:35:10 - Next meeting: Mozilla Team in 54 minutes
[09:35] <stgraber> @schedule Europe\Zurich
[09:35] <stgraber> @schedule Zurich
[09:35] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 19 Feb 22:30: Mozilla Team | 21 Feb 13:00: Edubuntu | 21 Feb 17:00: Kernel Team | 22 Feb 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 25 Feb 18:00: LoCo Team | 27 Feb 00:00: Community Council
[10:03] <pochu> @now
[10:03] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: February 19 2007, 21:04:00 - Next meeting: Mozilla Team in 25 minutes
[10:18] <poningru> @schedule EST
[10:18] <Ubugtu> Schedule for EST: 19 Feb 16:30: Mozilla Team | 21 Feb 07:00: Edubuntu | 21 Feb 11:00: Kernel Team | 22 Feb 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 25 Feb 12:00: LoCo Team | 26 Feb 18:00: Community Council
[10:18] <poningru> @schedule EDT
[10:18] <poningru> 0.o
[10:30] <poningru> yarr
[10:31] <asac> gnomefreak: who is not here?
[10:32] <asac> Freddy, Martin, ??
[10:32] <asac> ups Freddy, David, ??
[10:32] <poningru> gnomefreak went out for a 'smoke'
[10:32] <gnomefreak> #startmeeting
[10:32] <Moot2> Meeting started at 22:32. The chair is gnomefreak.
[10:33] <asac> want to wait a few more minutes to see if others show up?
[10:33] <poningru> sure
[10:33] <gnomefreak> thats fine
[10:33] <gnomefreak> damn thing pms me too :(
[10:33] <poningru> lol
[10:34] <gnomefreak> who is here for the meeting?
[10:34] <poningru> brb
[10:34] <gnomefreak> brb == you rnot here for meeting ;)
[10:34] <asac>  Freddy, David are missing
[10:35] <gnomefreak> asac: how long do you have here?
[10:36] <gnomefreak> freedy wont be here
[10:36] <gnomefreak> he said something about it yesterday/over weekend the more i think of it
[10:37] <asac> will be here ... but maybe not that responsive for some minutes :)
[10:37] <gnomefreak> i have 2 ageda points im sure are the same as eachother
[10:37] <asac> 60 min. at least :)
[10:37] <pochu> hello!
[10:38] <gnomefreak> ther eyou are
[10:38] <gnomefreak> :)
[10:38] <poningru> back
[10:38] <gnomefreak> pochu: we will be starting soon.
[10:38] <pochu> gnomefreak: when you want :)
[10:38] <gnomefreak> not me when david shows up
[10:38] <gnomefreak> who is eldo?
[10:39] <gnomefreak> ah
[10:39] <gnomefreak> poningru: and pochu i think your ageda points are the same but we will go over it
[10:40] <pochu> gnomefreak: looking
[10:40] <pochu> gnomefreak: don't know :)
[10:40] <poningru> it is?
[10:41] <poningru> which one? the tbird and...?
[10:41] <gnomefreak> nvm miss read it
[10:42] <pochu> poningru: I'm emilio
[10:42] <poningru> hehe
[10:47] <poningru> ok guess we can start?
[10:48] <gnomefreak> asac: if it ok with you we can start with the ones that david nor alex need to be here for like poningru and pochu's points?
[10:49] <asac> ok
[10:49] <gnomefreak> [topic]  include thunderbird 2.0 rc in Feisty
[10:49] <Moot2> New topic:  include thunderbird 2.0 rc in Feisty
[10:50] <asac> can someone please summarize what was done with firefox in edgy?
[10:50] <gnomefreak> asac: we added non released ff in edgy
[10:50] <gnomefreak> securty fixes got us to where we are with it iirc
[10:50] <poningru> pochu: ping your up
[10:50] <asac> hmm
[10:50] <pochu> hi!
[10:51] <asac> what is released fro tbird 2.0 already?
[10:51] <asac> rc1 ?
[10:51] <gnomefreak> asac pochu the issue i see is tb 2.0 is far off iirc
[10:51] <gnomefreak> rc1 i think
[10:51] <poningru> gnomefreak: not that far off
[10:51] <pochu> rc1 is later febraury
[10:51] <pochu> I think it's still beta2
[10:51] <pochu> looking
[10:51] <gnomefreak> poningru: oh yes it is
[10:51] <poningru> yes beta2
[10:51] <poningru> gnomefreak: couple of months
[10:51] <asac> i think its just not stable enough to push a beta2
[10:51] <gnomefreak> asac: you still have that link you gave me about it?
[10:52] <asac> we can try to prepare thunderbird package though, in case mozilla releases 2.0 in time for feisty
[10:52] <pochu> beta2
[10:52] <gnomefreak> poningru: there is no date set last i heard
[10:52] <poningru> gnomefreak: nope no date set
[10:52] <pochu> asac: rc1 should be out in february
[10:52] <gnomefreak> poningru: its still a ways off there are alot of things holding it back
[10:52] <pochu> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/thunderbird/roadmap.html
[10:52] <poningru> gnomefreak: but iirc goal is 2nd quarter 07
[10:53] <pochu> First Quarter 2007  	Final Release
[10:53] <asac> that would be too late
[10:53] <pochu> first quarter
[10:53] <poningru> ah nm
[10:53] <asac> all we can do is be as good prepared as possible to push thunderbird 2 fast in case it gets released in time
[10:53] <gnomefreak> asac: have you decided to open a repo for our packages?
[10:53] <pochu> I've added this item because, in case final isn't at time, we could get rc, as we did with firefox
[10:54] <poningru> asac, gnomefreak I still think we should include the rc
[10:54] <asac> we'll have to see ... take a look at still open blocker bugs et al.
[10:54] <gnomefreak> pochu: but edgy was a throw anything you can in it before run out of time
[10:54] <poningru> it is stable enough to be used
[10:54] <pochu> and as soon as final in out, include it
[10:54] <gnomefreak> asac: i was gonna show them that link but i dont hav eit
[10:55] <poningru> oh hold on
[10:55] <poningru> re: blocker bugs
[10:56] <gnomefreak> asac: feature freeze is over with anyway. and since its in main its not gonna be fun to try and push through
[10:56] <asac> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?keywords_type=nowords&keywords=fixed1.8.1+verified1.8.1+fixed1.8.1.1+verified1.8.1.1+fixed1.8.1.2+verified1.8.1.2&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=blocking-thunderbird2%2B&order=map_assigned_to.login_name,bugs.bug_id
[10:56] <asac> gnomefreak: agree ...its not standard procedure to ship rc releases in main
[10:56] <gnomefreak> correct
[10:56] <poningru> hmm
[10:57] <gnomefreak> if you set up a repo they can get the buids we will have for them that thats a differnet story
[10:57] <asac> i will ask release team about what they think?
[10:57] <pochu> I said it because edgy... :D
[10:57] <gnomefreak> pochu: edgy was a different story it wasnt gonna be stable
[10:58] <gnomefreak> it was but that fell though due to time restraints
[10:58] <pochu> gnomefreak: ok, then it's clarify :)
[10:58] <asac> ACTION: I will ask release team
[10:58] <pochu> and would be possible to include it if it's late?
[10:58] <poningru> ok I guess I see that
[10:59] <asac> will ask about requirements
[10:59] <gnomefreak> ok lets move on we will hold this for asac to dicuss it with release team
[10:59] <pochu> ok :)
[10:59] <poningru> true
[10:59] <asac> yeah ... but don't be too optimistic ... I would say no will be the answer :/
[11:00] <gnomefreak> [topic]  Weekly builds for browser and mail
[11:00] <Moot2> New topic:  Weekly builds for browser and mail
[11:00] <poningru> hehe
[11:00] <poningru> ok so in the mozillazine forums every day
[11:00] <gnomefreak> poningru: we can have them but not in feisty repos
[11:00] <poningru> gnomefreak: ofcourse
[11:00] <gnomefreak> poningru: im working on tb 2.0 and firefox 3.0
[11:00] <pochu> weekly builds from the trunk code?
[11:01] <poningru> pochu: yes
[11:01] <asac> i work on a solution to setup a previe archive. we could release from there, but we would need to coordinate builds for different architectures
[11:01] <poningru> gnomefreak: I was thinking about for our own repo and on a testing team for the forum
[11:01] <asac> however, we cannot release with official branding
[11:02] <gnomefreak> asac: ok i only have dgy and feisty arch 386 :(
[11:02] <poningru> asac: ofcourse
[11:02] <gnomefreak> edgy*
[11:02] <crimsun> right, I was just going to inquire about upstream's blessing those weeklies
[11:02] <poningru> asac: even upstreams daily trunk stuff does not include their branding
[11:02] <asac> but lets try to push this to the time after release of feisty for now.
[11:02] <asac> poningru: yes ... just wanted to note that
[11:03] <gnomefreak> asac: agreed i will still work on them if i get time but i wont focus on them
[11:03] <asac> if anyone wants to do it, feel free ... However, i think its not the best task to start with on packaging.
[11:03] <gnomefreak> oh bleh its fun :(
[11:03] <poningru> so we need to have it on all the archs and supported versions?
[11:04] <gnomefreak> poningru: best idea
[11:04] <asac> no ... only those that we receive requests for
[11:04] <poningru> asac: I was thinking this primarily for getting more people involved for testing
[11:04] <gnomefreak> 64 and 386 for now i would think
[11:04] <poningru> as in we post on the forums 'this weeks build is up'
[11:05] <asac> poningru: yeah ... if there is someone who has other archs we can organise it once preview archive is setup
[11:05] <poningru> yeah
[11:06] <asac> ok, move on?
[11:06] <gnomefreak> to what?
[11:06] <asac> Adding [WWW]  Thunderbird-Human-Theme to the repositories. ?
[11:06] <poningru> so... if someone wants to do this just do it?
[11:06] <asac> yes ... otherwise, I will do it in time after feisty
[11:06] <gnomefreak> [topic]  Adding [WWW]  Thunderbird-Human-Theme to the repositories.
[11:06] <Moot2> New topic:  Adding [WWW]  Thunderbird-Human-Theme to the repositories.
[11:06] <poningru> or wait for the repos to come up?
[11:06] <poningru> oh ok
[11:06] <gnomefreak> poningru: work on ff
[11:06] <asac> anyone can say something about the quality of that theme?
[11:07] <poningru> link to the theme?
[11:07] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/HumanThunderbird
[11:07] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/HumanThunderbird
[11:07] <asac> i think its a good idea to do that.
[11:08] <gnomefreak> was it wanting to be built into tb?
[11:08] <asac> however we have to figure out  if this is of good quality and if there is an active upstream for it
[11:08] <asac> so in case we need new icons, there is actually someone we can bug
[11:08] <poningru> its not that hard to maintain a theme for tbird/firefox
[11:09] <asac> can you paint icons?
[11:09] <gnomefreak> i see that as something to look into but again wont happen for feisty (atleast i wouldnt think so)
[11:09] <poningru> asac: yes
[11:09] <asac> ok ... gtk
[11:09] <poningru> blargh?
[11:09] <asac> ok ... lets include theme in feisty+1 and if we receive good feedback, maybe make it default theme
[11:09] <gnomefreak> i like
[11:09] <poningru> yeah sounds good
[11:10] <gnomefreak> can we take a breif break maybe 3-5 minutes
[11:10] <asac> hmmm  ... but then lets hurry
[11:10] <asac> getting really late here ;)
[11:10] <poningru> ... dont you dare say its for a smoke
[11:10] <gnomefreak> and if you have davids number get to calling him
[11:10] <gnomefreak> ok than lets go
[11:11] <gnomefreak> [topic]  The necessity of packaging extensions.
[11:11] <Moot2> New topic:  The necessity of packaging extensions.
[11:11] <gnomefreak> dfarning: just in time
[11:11] <dfarning> hey all
[11:11] <gnomefreak> :)
[11:11] <asac> hi
[11:11] <dfarning> my topic is there really  need to repackage extensions?
[11:11] <asac> general rule imo:
[11:12] <asac> extensions with native components (e.g. included shared libs) are always worth consideration inclusion
[11:12] <gnomefreak> i would like to get a few in if at all possible but upstream for extentions sucks
[11:12] <asac> other extensions not as they are available for all
[11:12] <pochu> hi dfarning :)
[11:12] <asac> exception: in case its highly ubuntu specific, consider to include (e.g. launchpad extension)
[11:12] <dfarning> which ones have shared libs
[11:12] <asac> enigmail ... colorzilla
[11:13] <asac> actually thats why we see the crash in colorzilla
[11:13] <gnomefreak> asac: only one i found like that is the ubuntu forums menu but its eh
[11:13] <dfarning> ah ok
[11:13] <asac> there should be not that many extensions ... but there are some
[11:13] <poningru> gnomefreak++
[11:13] <dfarning> should we look at them on a case by case basis reject unnecessary packages
[11:14] <asac> yes.
[11:14] <poningru> but why?
[11:14] <gnomefreak> dfarning: asac how about we work together to come up with a list and see what happens (if we can include them at all)
[11:14] <dfarning> that is my thought also
[11:14] <asac> lets deal with them as soon as there is a request for inclusion.
[11:14] <poningru> hmm true that
[11:14] <gnomefreak> there are 2 that im aware of with request one formal one informal
[11:15] <poningru> dfarning: are you talking about removing certain packaged extensions?
[11:15] <dfarning> we should look into only packaging the package that we need and grab the others from upstream
[11:15] <pochu> gnomefreak: enigmail+1
[11:16] <AlexLatchford> Howdy
[11:16] <dfarning> ill set up a wiki and we can work through them
[11:16] <pochu> hi AlexLatchford!
[11:16] <gnomefreak> ok cool
[11:16] <gnomefreak> hi AlexLatchford
[11:16] <gnomefreak> can we move on?
[11:16] <dfarning> yes
[11:16] <AlexLatchford> what we up to?
[11:16] <gnomefreak> [topic]  Mozilla Council start-up.
[11:16] <Moot2> New topic:  Mozilla Council start-up.
[11:16] <AlexLatchford> aha good
[11:16] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: all over the place
[11:16] <AlexLatchford> cool cool
[11:16] <gnomefreak> we already got one of yorus
[11:16] <AlexLatchford> thats cool
[11:17] <dfarning> I have been interacting quite a bit with both up and down stream organization
[11:17] <asac> dfarning: is that on-topic " Mozilla Council start-up" ?
[11:17] <sladen> hello people, re: the ColorZilla binary issue, there's a thread on the ubuntu-uk and I contacted the upstream author
[11:17] <gnomefreak> dfarning: you thoughts on the council?
[11:18] <dfarning> would like a formal method of helping make some of the decisions
[11:18] <asac> sladen: i am already in contact with auther
[11:18] <asac> please lets do not duplicate work
[11:18] <asac> he will probably release as free-software so we can package it up
[11:18] <asac> but lets see what his final decision is
[11:18] <AlexLatchford> can we please stay on topic :)
[11:18] <asac> k
[11:19] <dfarning> i would like to be able to present ideas that other organization have to the conuncial for vote
[11:19] <gnomefreak> dfarning: we can set that up fairly easy. can you outline what the councils positions will be (as in what we do) final member process so on
[11:19] <sladen> asac: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2007-February/003185.html
[11:19] <dfarning> yes will base it on cc
[11:20] <poningru> wont we have to run this by them first?
[11:20] <poningru> cc/tech board
[11:20] <dfarning> I'll bring it up
[11:20] <AlexLatchford> I don't think so
[11:20] <asac> i think we have to
[11:21] <gnomefreak> dfarning: if you or someone else or both can outline this on a wiki as in what council would do what process for memebers should be so on?
[11:21] <dfarning> yes, by next meeting;)
[11:21] <gnomefreak> k :) sorry me sucks at wikis
[11:21] <AlexLatchford> dfarning: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Council
[11:21] <AlexLatchford> :)
[11:21] <dfarning> I will do it will seek jonos advice
[11:22] <gnomefreak> ok sounds good to me
[11:22] <gnomefreak> move on?
[11:22] <dfarning> next
[11:22] <gnomefreak> [topic]  What has been done and what needs to be done from last meeting.
[11:22] <Moot2> New topic:  What has been done and what needs to be done from last meeting.
[11:22] <gnomefreak> basicly what hasnt been done from last meeting anything that really needs to be?
[11:23] <dfarning> for me me the biggest blocker apport so you guys can have good crash reports
[11:23] <dfarning> good progress this weekend
[11:23] <asac> dfarning: state on that? you talked to martin?
[11:23] <dfarning> yes a got a mail back from him
[11:23] <gnomefreak> yay
[11:24] <AlexLatchford> I have been working on the wiki more, defining a structure and annoying guidelines to follow, also worked on a few pages.
[11:24] <dfarning> I'll email you all the detail. cause i can't type fast enough
[11:24] <gnomefreak> dfarning: is it in progress atleast?"
[11:24] <dfarning> very good progress
[11:24] <gnomefreak> good
[11:24] <asac> ok, so dfarning will email details on apport
[11:24] <asac> next?
[11:25] <gnomefreak> that and bughelper
[11:25] <dfarning> does alex need help on the wiki it is starting to take shape
[11:25] <gnomefreak> are the only 2 things that are biggest concern outside of wikis IMHO
[11:25] <AlexLatchford> Well as I have written the guidelines now, people can jump in
[11:25] <asac> i add content when i have to time to :)
[11:26] <asac> feel free to reorganize like you wish
[11:26] <dfarning> I am considering bh block by apport for now
[11:26] <gnomefreak> ok thats fine
[11:26] <dfarning> gnomefreak, what are they?
[11:26] <AlexLatchford> I think the biggest problem we have is TB-dbg package for Edgy and below
[11:26] <dfarning> i'll hit on that in the apport email;)
[11:26] <asac> ok ... we'll know more later
[11:27] <asac> lets move ;)
[11:27] <gnomefreak> ok that is fine for now
[11:27] <gnomefreak> asac: your up
[11:27] <AlexLatchford> I mean we have 100 reports for edgy and below in TB we can do nothing about
[11:27] <gnomefreak> [topic]  bug tags and workflow
[11:27] <Moot2> New topic:  bug tags and workflow
[11:27] <gnomefreak> so you can go :)
[11:27] <asac> actually i updated the wiki page for bug states ... it should be rather complete for needs info and confirm now.
[11:28] <asac> maybe we should try how it works ... and then discuss at next meeting?
[11:28] <asac> feel free to ask if you have questions
[11:28] <poningru> hmm
[11:28] <gnomefreak> ok we can push it
[11:28] <asac> anyway, I would like some action on improving the blueprints
[11:28] <asac> (last point in the list)
[11:28] <AlexLatchford> I personally haven't had the time to read the page yet
[11:28] <asac> AlexLatchford: yes ... so lets wait a week to get feedback
[11:28] <gnomefreak> i read through it but it was differnet than what was on the tags page
[11:29] <gnomefreak> but i havent looked at since since you updated it
[11:29] <dfarning> bug state look like they are comin along nicely
[11:30] <dfarning> are they stable to add the state names to bh
[11:30] <asac> i updated tag page
[11:30] <asac> a bit already
[11:30] <gnomefreak> asac: what do you mean improving blueprint (when to use where to use each tag?)
[11:30] <asac> no ... bulk responses
[11:30] <asac> like
[11:30] <asac> please list what extensions installed, which plugins, etc.
[11:30] <dfarning> soon apport will take care of those question for us;)
[11:30] <AlexLatchford> in /bugs/Triage/Responses
[11:31] <gnomefreak> ok i agree we need to do some work with that including getting rid of the 3 that are exact same reponce
[11:31] <asac> those text can be improved. e.g. by run -safe-mode and if the problem goes away, try to figure out what extension is missing
[11:31] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: yes
[11:31] <asac> eah ... what extension breaks :)
[11:31] <AlexLatchford> asac: this is on my todo list
[11:31] <gnomefreak> cool
[11:31] <asac> if you need input on them just ask :)
[11:31] <asac> AlexLatchford: ^^
[11:31] <AlexLatchford> I will try to get to it by the next meeting, please feel free to submit some on the mailing list
[11:32] <dfarning> I is would be helpful if you could like the most impost questions
[11:32] <dfarning> s/like/list
[11:32] <AlexLatchford> I would actually appreciate it if a topic in the mailing list was started with responses, ill start one up later
[11:32] <asac> ok ... agree i think i will update wiki bits as good as i can :)
[11:32] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: sounds good to me
[11:32] <gnomefreak> moving on?
[11:32] <asac> ok
[11:32] <dfarning> yes
[11:33] <gnomefreak> [topic]  Taking over the [WWW]  Thunderbird package from Mark Shuttleworth.
[11:33] <Moot2> New topic:  Taking over the [WWW]  Thunderbird package from Mark Shuttleworth.
[11:33] <gnomefreak> i think that is not nessicerary the more i look at the page
[11:33] <asac> agree
[11:33] <AlexLatchford> well I saw the page for firefox, which we have control over
[11:33] <gnomefreak> its not really saying anything that concerns us directly
[11:34] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: if i see mark online ill ping him about it if i remember?
[11:34] <AlexLatchford> I am not sure exactly what owning the package does, but it would be useful maybe for asac and/or gnomefreak for releases maybe
[11:34] <AlexLatchford> Well I am unsure of exactly what owning the package gives you the benefit of
[11:34] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: that isnt at our level i dont think
[11:35] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: nothing
[11:35] <AlexLatchford> I would like to see Mozilla Bugs as the Bug Contact at least
[11:35] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: mark own ubuntu so he kind of own all packages
[11:35] <AlexLatchford> cool
[11:35] <dfarning> I'll work on getting the bugs assigned
[11:35] <AlexLatchford> yeah, this needs to be done
[11:35] <gnomefreak> cool
[11:35] <AlexLatchford> I got another 200 emails again
[11:35] <gnomefreak> 338
[11:36] <gnomefreak> :(
[11:36] <asac> dfarning: what do you mean by getting bugs assigned?
[11:36] <asac> ah sorry :)
[11:36] <asac> missed the topic switch
[11:36] <dfarning> IT is a pita becuase all of the lp folks are working on the lp beta'(
[11:36] <AlexLatchford> changing them from being assigned to Mozilla Team to the Mozilla Bugs
[11:36] <dfarning> yes
[11:36] <dfarning> and assign tb bugs to -bugs
[11:36] <AlexLatchford> so it doesnt email bug changes out to all the Mozilla Team members
[11:36] <asac> AlexLatchford: can't you setup a mail filter?
[11:37] <asac> and as soon as lp members have some time
[11:37] <asac> they can run an update?
[11:37] <AlexLatchford> mail filter?
[11:37] <asac> yes
[11:37] <dfarning> AlexLatchford, right
[11:37] <asac> you can filter X-Launchpad-Bug: header
[11:37] <asac> should be easy to setup
[11:37] <asac> e.g.
[11:37] <dfarning> lp team is overall being very help. I don't want to push them
[11:37] <AlexLatchford> oh right okay, that would be a temporary fix
[11:37] <asac> X-Launchpad-Bug: distribution=ubuntu; sourcepackage=firefox; component=main;
[11:37] <asac>         status=Needs Info; importance=Wishlist; assignee=mozillateam;
[11:38] <asac> you can filter what you want out of this
[11:38] <asac> e.g. sort by package, by status, by importance, by assignee
[11:38] <AlexLatchford> well it doesn;t bother me too much
[11:38] <AlexLatchford> but I would prefer it to be fixed, I will try the filter for now though
[11:38] <gnomefreak> ok move on. we have 2 more topics to go than asac can get moving ;)
[11:38] <dfarning> next
[11:38] <gnomefreak> [topic]  Faster response time for security update
[11:38] <Moot2> New topic:  Faster response time for security update
[11:39] <poningru> ok so
[11:39] <asac> i try my best and work with martin get things up in time. i am member of mozilla security group so i usually get notification in time
[11:39] <gnomefreak> this im sure will be worked out but we are a new team and trying to do alot of things
[11:39] <poningru> it seems that ubuntu packages are only updated once the firefox security point release actually comes out
[11:40] <dfarning> I think kees was just overworked
[11:40] <asac> poningru: yes ... thats common procedure
[11:40] <dfarning> should improve now:)
[11:40] <poningru> what we can probably do is package the rc spins and test that ourselves
[11:40] <asac> running rc preview packages is good to detect any QA problems up-front
[11:40] <asac> so this is a good thing to have.
[11:41] <asac> at best some member of our team can do this on a regular basis?
[11:41] <poningru> yeah I would love to do this
[11:41] <poningru> as soon as I can figure out packaging well enough
[11:41] <poningru> still figuring out all the ins and outs
[11:41] <asac> i explained a bit to gnomefreak already ... should be in irc logs already ;)
[11:42] <poningru> hehe
[11:42] <dfarning> I log were very good I package fx last week bases on them
[11:42] <asac> i can assist you ... if you promise to carry know how to other members as well ... at best setting up some introduction pages in wiki too.
[11:42] <asac> :)
[11:42] <dfarning> I would like to set up some semi formal session on packaging so we are not always bugging asac
[11:43] <asac> yes ... thats good
[11:43] <asac> we can arrange some time :)
[11:43] <dfarning> he need tim to work on the technical stuff
[11:43] <poningru> tim?
[11:43] <dfarning> time
[11:43] <gnomefreak> time
[11:43] <poningru> oh
[11:43] <poningru> lol
[11:43] <poningru> I was thinking s/he/we
[11:44] <gnomefreak> i wasnt here is that done?
[11:44] <gnomefreak> we have one more i wouold like asac output on
[11:44] <dfarning> we will set up semi formal learning time slots to better ulitize our expert resources
[11:44] <dfarning> next
[11:44] <asac> :) well phrased :)
[11:45] <gnomefreak> [topic]  renaming packages
[11:45] <Moot2> New topic:  renaming packages
[11:45] <gnomefreak> ok renaming mozilla-thunderbird to thunderbird
[11:45] <asac> ah ... ok renaming packages is always a pita ... and hardly worth the efford.
[11:45] <asac> i see that its inconsitent atm
[11:45] <gnomefreak> and mozilla-firefox to just firefox
[11:45] <asac> but would like to defer that to post feisty
[11:45] <poningru> whats the reason?
[11:45] <gnomefreak> although i think we dropped mozilla-firefox transitinal package
[11:46] <asac> the reason firefox was renamed is that debian renamed both, but nobody was here to do the proper thunderbird transition
[11:46] <AlexLatchford> So if you are going to follow with Thunderbird it will be in Feisty+1
[11:46] <AlexLatchford> ?
[11:46] <AlexLatchford> s/you/we/
[11:46] <gnomefreak> most liekly
[11:46] <asac> thats why we are at the current state
[11:46] <AlexLatchford> ish
[11:46] <dfarning> there is not consistant name because of renaming that occured before the branking agreement
[11:46] <poningru> ah ic
[11:46] <gnomefreak> likely
[11:46] <asac> we currently work with mozilla to clarify if they want mozilla- prefix or not
[11:47] <AlexLatchford> hmm okay, just seems like at the moment there are a load of naming inconsistencies, flash also being a major problem
[11:47] <gnomefreak> asac: dfarning is this something to look forward to for feisty+1?
[11:47] <dfarning> defer to feisty+1
[11:47] <AlexLatchford> sounds good to me
[11:47] <dfarning> bug catchup more important for now
[11:47] <AlexLatchford> agreed
[11:47] <asac> probably when upgrading to 2.0 we can change name
[11:48] <AlexLatchford> seems sensible
[11:48] <asac> for now it matters that we build tbird with official branding.
[11:48] <gnomefreak> Faster response time for security update  is the bug that i brought that up about
[11:48] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmm
[11:48] <poningru> quick offtopic: is anyone building ff 2.0.0.2 r4?
[11:48] <gnomefreak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/+bug/70937
[11:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70937 in mozilla-thunderbird "Package "mozilla-thunderbird" should be renamed to "thunderbird"" [Wishlist,Confirmed] 
[11:48] <gnomefreak> poningru: i have it on to do list
[11:48] <poningru> gnomefreak: I wanna help
[11:49] <asac> ok ... is that it?
[11:49] <gnomefreak> [topic]  Any other matters that we missed or needs to be discussed?
[11:49] <Moot2> New topic:  Any other matters that we missed or needs to be discussed?
[11:49] <AlexLatchford> none from me
[11:50] <dfarning> i am satisified
[11:50] <gnomefreak> asac: go go go :)
[11:50] <gnomefreak> #endmeeting
[11:50] <Moot2> Meeting finished at 23:50.
[11:50] <asac> cu all!
[11:50] <AlexLatchford> buh bye
[11:50] <gnomefreak> bye :)
[11:50] <dfarning> meet again in 2 weeks
[11:50] <gnomefreak> ok someone needs to figure out the bot stuff now
[11:50] <AndrewWilliams> Meeting log can be found at: http://rimmer.incognitus.net/~mootbot/ubuntu-meeting.20070219_2232.html, and full irc log at: http://rimmer.incognitus.net/~mootbot/ubuntu-meeting.log.20070219_2232.html
[11:50] <dfarning> thank for all your hard work
[11:51] <gnomefreak> is that another bot?
[11:51] <poningru> awesome
[11:52] <AlexLatchford> lol gnomefreak no, he is the person commanding the bot
[11:52] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:52] <AlexLatchford> gnomefreak: if you want I will help chair the next meeting?
[11:52] <gnomefreak> thats fine
[11:52] <gnomefreak> who wants to clean the wiki?
[11:52] <AlexLatchford> leave it up for now
[11:52] <gnomefreak> k
[11:52] <AlexLatchford> i need to make the minutes