[12:13] so I put a generic address [12:13] ok, fine === czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-063-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:19] hub: you can add yourself as XSBC-Original-Maintainer [12:19] yeah I did that too [12:19] :-) [12:19] sometime I just which error message where more verbose [12:19] like pointing to that URL [12:19] ... === czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-063-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:26] I just wish I had more RAM === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-063-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@h-67-102-70-2.snfccasy.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:36] hub, i uploaded the latest enblend-3.0, and gave you credit in the copyright file [12:38] hey you saw :) === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-063-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-063-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-28-163.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-063-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-063-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:54] bddebian: if you have some time to review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4408 . It fix a bunch of translation issue, and fix priority (was extra instead of optionel) [12:55] thanks :) === azeem [n=mbanck@host109.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-063-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:04] Dang, what do I look like the review king? :) [01:04] bddebian: yep [01:06] bddebian: yes === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-063-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:09] bddebian: yes the review king :) === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@modemcable103.33-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian puts his crown on ajmitch [01:14] it don't fit [01:14] hi bddebian and ajmitch === ajmitch is not worthy === czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-063-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:16] Heya LaserJock [01:16] LaserJock: Do you have a gpib board? [01:16] at work yes [01:18] Ah, I've been talking to the upstream maintainer and a guy trying to package the newer version [01:18] We might need a tester ;-P [01:23] bddebian: oh ok [01:23] bddebian: I run the National Instruments proprietary drivers [01:23] but I think I have an ancient (breezy or maybe dapper) Ubuntu partition on there I could use to test [01:24] and he admits to proprietary drivers [01:24] why not? [01:24] I use Nvidia and ATI proprietary drivers too === ajmitch uses nvidia binary drivers [01:25] and madwifi but I'm not sure if that's proprietary or not exactly [01:25] Actually he was asking me about firmware. Got any thoughts? I thought maybe a seperate package in Multivers? [01:25] +e [01:25] so RMS is probably going to stalk me & hunt me down [01:25] hehe, we should have have nightmares of RMS standing over us with a gnu horn [01:26] apt-get install vrms [01:26] LaserJock: madwifi is not properietary. it's just sloppy code that the LKML would not touch with a 10-foot pole. [01:26] he's probably still in the Worker's Paradise [01:26] that program possibly needs updating for use with ubuntu to recognise multiverse === bddebian files package removal request for vrms === Lathiat smirks [01:29] wait, is madwifi the one for atheros cards? [01:29] yes [01:29] yup [01:29] k, that's what I thought [01:29] it's always just worked so I didn't even know I needed it for a long time [01:39] bddebian: forget the review request, i need to fix an other issue anyway. sorry to bother you ;) [01:40] givre: No worries :-) === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-063-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kano64 [n=kano@91.64.67.21] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-063-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=PriceChi@host86-138-223-156.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@87.19.131.238] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:51] hi guys [01:51] hello [01:51] if I have a package that installs a file [01:52] and in the next release of the pacakge, I want to change that file name [01:52] does just chaning it in the source and the .install file make the old one get remove and the new one added? [01:52] yes [01:52] excellent [01:52] you can move/rename files within packages without problems, as long as they're not conffiles [01:52] since conffiles are special [01:55] right [01:55] because conf files are preserved when a package is removed? [01:55] unless a purge is done? [01:56] and they're handled in interesting ways [01:57] heh [01:57] ajmitch, how does the version numbering work [01:57] 0.1.0-0ubuntu1 [01:57] for example [01:58] if I have a new upstream version [01:58] what does the next version become [01:58] 0.1.1-0ubuntu1 ? [01:58] yes [01:58] hmm [01:59] thanks === RedKrieg [n=RedKrieg@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lfittl [n=lfittl@cl-185.mbx-01.si.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mwolson [i=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:12] what's the best way to go about finding a memory leak [02:12] ? [02:13] Using a memory-managed language :P [02:13] heh [02:13] Alternatively, valgrind is apparently pretty good. [02:13] will it work wit ha python program? [02:14] I don't think so. [02:14] Hm. How do you leak memory in a python program? [02:14] RAOF: LOL [02:14] well i have no idea [02:15] RAOF: by maintaining erroneous references [02:15] I'm using the python-opengl bindings [02:15] RAOF: or by deleting objects with cross-references [02:15] RAOF: both of which defeat garbage collection [02:16] jdong, if i have a class which get's overwritten with a new instance of that smae class every now and then [02:16] will that cause a problem? [02:16] cbx33: that will not; [02:16] garbage collection will fix that [02:16] yeh thought so [02:16] hmm [02:16] well depends on the class [02:16] if you have a class containing A linking to B and B linking to A [02:16] it's a self written class nothing complicated, just a few gtk pixbufs [02:16] no....nothing like that [02:16] but you only do that when you want to break a language :D [02:16] lol [02:16] :) [02:17] cbx33: if it's leaking then it's probably the subsystem/bindings [02:17] damn [02:17] cbx33: btw you're Pete Savage, right? [02:17] that's a lot harder to fix [02:17] I am indeed === jdong trying to remember names here :) [02:17] I'm hoping that's a good thing ;) [02:17] cool, nice to meet you :) [02:17] haha [02:17] nice to meet you too [02:17] <_ion> ;-) [02:17] <_ion> ma031714 < jdong> cbx33: btw you're Pete Savage, right? [02:17] <_ion> ma031716 < cbx33> that's a lot harder to fix [02:17] _ion: haha :) [02:17] haha [02:18] true though [02:18] well if anyone is interested in an opengl photo viewer ;) [02:18] cbx33: you mean an opengl RAM drainer? ;-) [02:18] jdong, of course ;) [02:18] it was a little project to see if I could program opengl.... [02:18] and...well...I can [02:18] <_ion> gliv - image viewer using gdk-pixbuf and OpenGL [02:19] f-spot uses opengl bindings now too :) [02:19] How does it get its opengl bindings? [02:19] libmono-opengl :D [02:19] or whatever === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:19] Because I've been looking at packaging Tao, and it seems horrible from a packaging point of view === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:21] _ion, cool [02:21] phimage does things slightly different [02:22] I just wish it didn't start eating system resources [02:22] it must be the bindings [02:23] RAOF: it bundles Tao [02:23] why is Tao horrible from a packaging point of view? [02:23] Becasue I couldn't find any way to get it to install in a sane place. [02:24] It either just builds a bunch of .dlls, which I'd then have to manually install into the GAC, or it really, really wants to be built in /usr [02:24] anyway [02:24] nn all [02:25] Hm, also, is there anywhere where I can view the NEW queue? It's on launchpad somewhere, isn't it? [02:26] launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue [02:26] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue [02:26] Thanks muchly. Just want to see where Specto's gone :) [02:28] Hmm, what to do, what to do.. [02:29] I'm sure there are some science bugs around .... [02:30] Well I'm debating between gpib and reviews :-( [02:30] LOL I love myself [02:30] review! [02:30] Oh btw, Kp isn't Kp. It's actually Kp+Ki+Kd === jdong loves explaining legacy code thru the Oh btw method. [02:30] Well, you could apply my debdiff to gnome-compiz-manager and review that :) === ajmitch wonders if anyone understands jdong [02:30] nope [02:30] nope [02:31] that's alright then [02:31] hello Hobbsee [02:31] <_ion> I wish compiz-extra from REVU would get in in time. [02:33] ajmitch: hehe EE stuff [02:33] PID control [02:33] I kinda deceptively named some variables [02:33] _ion: I wish gandalfn would get back to me so I could fix gnome-compiz-manager [02:35] RAOF: do you mean desktop-effects? [02:35] pochu: No, I mean gnome-compiz-manager, a nice simple Compiz configuration thingy [02:35] RAOF: is it similar to desktop-effects? [02:36] pochu: Kinda. [02:36] But a more complete set of configuration thingies. [02:37] RAOF: that's fine :) [02:37] Hm. How long should I wait for a reply before just fixing the trivial problems raised in the review. [02:38] RAOF: what were the problems? [02:39] Build dep on a too-low version of debhelper, DebianMaintainer Spec. [02:39] Oh, and bumping compat up from 4 to 5 [02:39] http://raof.dyndns.org/gnome-compiz-manager.debdiff should fix them all. [02:41] why would you need to wait? is the package on REVU one by gandalfn? [02:41] Yes. [02:41] It's not my package, I just want to get it in :) [02:42] well, it's kinda silly to be waiting on just that :/ [02:42] Otherwise I'd be summoning the king of review, bddebian, for another review :) [02:42] Yeah. But I don't really want to step on anyone's toes. [02:44] If someone else reviews it and give an ack, I'll fix those two errors and upload === mwolson [n=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === esaym [n=user@cpe-72-183-201-32.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:32] Gah, where the fsck are these build/foo dirs coming from.. [03:33] bddebian: More tarball.mk fun? [03:34] bddebian: which build/foor dirs? [03:35] bddebian: the targets? [03:37] Gah, I found it.. Sheesh. Hmm [03:38] Nice monologue :) [03:38] He does cp -a linux-gpib build in debian/rules [03:54] anybody have a PDA recommendation? [03:54] They all suck [03:54] good to know ;-) [03:54] bddebian: sucks! [03:55] Yeah he does :-( [03:55] nokia 770? [03:57] n800 [03:57] maybe I should just stick to sticky notes that I lose all the time :-) [03:57] LaserJock: why dont you use the gnome sticky notes applet? [03:57] <_ion> "Nokia", as in "one of the most vehement lobbyists of software patents in EU"? :-) [03:57] zul: I need it when I'm not at my computer [03:58] I have iCal/Google Calendar for on-computer [03:59] all I need is something so I don't forget meetings :/ [03:59] got a watch or a mobile phone? [03:59] google calendar +SMS works ok for some things [04:00] crimsun: both, but it hasn't proven very successful [04:00] how is /adding/ gadgetry going to help, then? [04:00] ummm, it'd make me feel better? :-) [04:06] crimsun: Do you have a sec to take a quick look at something for me? [04:07] bddebian: boarding a plane shortly, tomorrow? [04:07] Damn. Sure, thx [04:08] hi crimsun, bye crimsun :) [04:09] ajmitch: How about you? http://pastebin.us/14617 [04:10] what about me? [04:11] What's wrong there? [04:11] you expect me to know with that little context? [04:11] Yep [04:11] too bad [04:12] I don't know how it's working at all :-) [04:12] But when it trys to cd into build/language/python it chokes [04:12] well you're changing the directory it's working in later [04:14] Did you see my note about how he was trying to do it? [04:14] didn't say much [04:18] How about this? http://pastebin.us/14619 [04:20] doesn't say why it's not creating the dir [04:27] The dir is there === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@87.19.131.238] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:44] bddebian: Hey, doesn't that try to cd to "build/language/python/build/language/python"? [04:45] You could possibly add a "&& cd ../../../" before the "done" in the for loop === caravena [n=caravena@146-29-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _ion often prefers something like for foo in bar; do (cd somewhere; ...); done === RAOF doesn't know enough make syntax to be confident spawning subshells :) [04:48] <_ion> It's sh syntax. [04:48] Hm. Maybe I'm confusing myself with cdbs, but aren't debhelper rules files make files? === RAOF goes and checks. [04:48] <_ion> Well, all the Makefile rules are sh command lines. [04:49] Oh, well that makes it easier. [04:50] <_ion> (with make escaping) === azeem [n=mbanck@host109.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:12] Well shit, I can't get any of them to work :( === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@h-67-102-70-2.snfccasy.covad.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:16] bddebian: What's not working? Still same error message? [05:16] Let me help, you're awesome :) [05:19] Yeah, still same problem :-( [05:19] Wanna pastbin the problem? [05:19] You're now doing one of "&& cd ../../../" [05:20] Or just spawning the command in a new shell? [05:20] Tried the cd ../../../ to no avail [05:20] What do you mean spawning command in a new shell? [05:21] Just putting it all in ( do_stuff ) things. [05:21] bddebian: Maybe you could echo `pwd` in the loop? [05:21] For debugging purposes? [05:22] It was already: [05:22] for python in $(PYVERS); do \ [05:22] (cd build/language/python;\ [05:22] python$$PYVERS build/language/python/setup.py build;)\ done [05:23] Oh crap, I left that path in there. Grr [05:23] Ok, I can help by merely making you see your own mistakes :) === cyberjackal [n=jackal@pool-70-109-61-28.clppva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:25] heh [05:25] Working? [05:25] Dunno yet, it takes forever to build :-( [05:25] I need to get some pbuilder action on my new Core Duo 2 laptop. :) [05:26] RAOF: if you have a fat upload link help me encode 5 seasons of family guy! [05:26] x264 can really use one of those Core 2's [05:27] jdong: 1Mbit, soon. Probably not fat enough :) [05:27] RAOF: that's fat enough to help me work on family guy :D [05:28] and I definitely have permission from FOX and Seth MacFarlane :) [05:28] heh [05:28] Thinking of encoding, no matter how tempted you are you should not buy "Monty Python's Personal Best" [05:29] It seemed like it should be a bunch of cool Flying Circus sketches, and it is... kinda. [05:29] Except, they're truncated. They only show half-sketches! === RAOF wants to kill whichever exec decided that would be a good idea. With a sword! === tonyyarusso starts his pbuilder dl... === RAOF looks at upgrading to 24Mbit/1Mbit ADSL2+ [05:42] RAOF: Enjoy: http://pastebin.us/14622 :-) [05:42] Weeeee dialup [05:42] Dialup FTW! [05:43] indeed [05:43] dialup > nothing [05:44] bddebian: Isn't that exactly the same setup you had before? [05:44] elkbuntu: true [05:44] RAOF: It fails the same, no matter what === RAOF considers getting the source package. [05:45] bddebian: So doing: "cd build/language/python && python$pyver setup.py install --root=/tmp/buildd/gpib-3.2.08+svn1451/debian/tmp && cd ../../../ ;" doesn't work? :( [05:46] Or the equivalent part from the debian/rules file. [05:46] :( [05:46] bddebian: The source packages are on REVU, right? [05:51] Oh hmm, maybe I forgot the && [05:51] bddebian: if there is already a package in revu but it has not been touched in months how can i upload source for that package to be revu'd? [05:51] joejaxx: If you just upload it it will overwrite it, but ideally you should try to contact the original uploader before hijacking a package [05:52] bddebian: alright [05:55] ah [05:55] Toadstool: ping :) [06:00] Whoo, pbuilder moved on to the Bs! And with that, I'm off. === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ademan [n=dan@h-67-101-47-9.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:29] bddebian: Worked it out yet? Or should I really have a look at the source :) [06:30] Nah, I'm busy with Oblivion now ;-) === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:31] :) [06:39] bddebian: drinking your way to oblivion? ;-) [06:39] Heh, probably should be :) [06:40] hah === ajmitch looks around for something to drink [06:40] lol === LaserJock hands ajmitch some water [06:41] how is everyone doing? [06:41] water? you trying to kill me? [06:42] I just wonder which one of us will be the first to go into rehab because of Ubuntu? ;-) [06:42] haha [06:42] I do not have a problem, ok?\ [06:43] suuuurrrre ... [06:43] :) [06:46] an my eye twitch is just from doing too much research ;-) [06:48] hehe [06:48] Mine is from doing to little :-| [06:48] Why must Maple hate me? :'( [06:49] heh === ajmitch heads off [06:54] :( [06:54] #kubuntu-devel is dead [06:55] is it? 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[08:19] lo, you mean? [08:20] yeah [08:20] It seems to go missing for me after about 30 seconds if I don't log on, then I have to bring it up manually. [08:20] Actually, I fixed that a few days back by adding it to /etc/network/interfaces. [08:20] I think I managed to stuff my installation up when I installed pre-Herd 1. [08:20] right ... I got rid of /etc/network/interfaces [08:21] Why'd you do that? [08:21] network-manager was throwing fits [08:21] Ah. [08:21] NM will deactivate lo, then [08:22] So you'll need to put it back in. [08:22] so is it mutually exclusive? [08:24] Is what? [08:24] NM won't touch any interfaces that are in /etc/network/interfaces. [08:24] If you just have lo in there, no problem should be had. [08:25] ok, seems to work [08:25] it's just my static eth0 that doesn't play nicely [08:26] That will make it ignore eth0 entirely. [08:29] ok, so I got lo back and am letting my router play static dhcp [08:29] that should work === BHSPitMonkey [n=stephen@adsl-67-64-112-230.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AnAnt [n=anant@62.139.130.178] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:20] bdmurray: ping === StevenK wonders who to talk to about fixing it so ubuntu-motu points to ubuntu-dev [09:22] (in terms of LP accounts) [09:24] StevenK: we've been in negotiations with the Powers That Be [09:24] Neat. [09:24] Laser_away has been busy in #launchpad === BHSPitMonkey_ [n=stephen@adsl-66-139-196-247.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:25] bdmurray =? bddebian ? [09:29] AnAnt: false [09:29] StevenK: From what I've seen, it's quite a while away yet. [09:29] coNP: thanks === AnAnt [n=anant@62.139.130.178] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [09:31] Fujitsu: :-/ === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-200-45.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jnair [n=jayesh@203.123.188.10] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-de31dfe36ef24e0b] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TMM [n=hp@ip5650d1ab.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-200-45.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F7782E.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:52] good morning === RAOF [n=chris@202.63.35.99] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:17] morning daniel [10:20] hey Andrew === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypher1_ [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-f2858af71afb76fb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:26] dholbach: how was your weekend? [10:27] ajmitch: very very good - lots of cool stuff :-) [10:27] ajmitch: how was yours? [10:27] fairly quiet & uneventful :) === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-77-253.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@27.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@27.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-6bdb30c2e9fe3ac0] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:39] siretart: ok, thanks. I made some changes on it and it should work as expected now [11:40] is there a policy for updates of native packages during UVF? [11:44] geser, did you get my message about --disable-portaudio ? [11:45] tsmithe: yes [11:46] cool :) [11:48] Lutin: http://dunnewind.net/~lutin/resource/update-maintainer? === pirast [n=martin@p508B21E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@dsl-217-155-249-190.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F71AE4.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:54] siretart, dholbach: are updates of native packages allowed during UVF? === dholbach__ [n=daniel@i59F71D3A.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:54] more dholbachs === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-109-152.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:02] siretart: err. sorry. s/resource/code === Ademan [n=dan@h-67-101-144-122.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@17-4.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-063-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@dsl-217-155-249-190.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-063-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-76-243.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:15] Hobbsee: What's KLIK? [01:16] shawarma: http://klik.atekon.de/ === kagou [n=kagou@88-138-215-212.adslgp.cegetel.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AnAnt [n=anant@62.139.130.178] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:22] Hobbsee: ping, can you please review acon ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4397 === tmarble [n=tmarble@user-38q4et6.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:23] Hobbsee: Looks ghastly. [01:23] shawarma: yup [01:24] AnAnt: that'll need a UVFe [01:25] Hobbsee: huh ? [01:25] Hobbsee: what's that ? [01:25] !uvf [01:25] uvf is Upstream Version Freeze. For an exception, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9523bc4076ff011324d67cddc97969ec609618d6 [01:26] even universe is freezed ? [01:26] of course... [01:26] !schedule [01:26] Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases [01:26] it froze later, but yes [01:26] Since we're not in FF yet, it'd be OK to fix this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lighttpd/+bug/80818 right? [01:26] Malone bug 80818 in lighttpd "lighttpd doesn't use FAM" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [01:27] i see [01:27] oh wait [01:27] oh, it's only a bugfix, not a new upstream versoin [01:27] sub ubuntu-universe-sponsors, etc. [01:27] Hobbsee: you mean acon ? [01:27] yes [01:28] Hobbsee: yes it is a bug fix not a new package [01:28] then it's not a part of that freeze [01:28] So it'd be fine to fix even after FF [01:28] where's the schedule btw ? [01:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule [01:28] shawarma: yep [01:28] StevenK: thanks [01:29] shawarma: you could even after feature freeze - as long as it's not a new upstream version - ie, going from 0.4.1 to 0.4.2, etc [01:29] Hobbsee: It involves enabling a new feature in an existing package. Doesn't that violate FF? [01:29] Or am I interpreting "feature" too broadly? [01:29] Hobbsee: so you can review it ? [01:30] not sure. wouldnt think so? [01:30] I think FF for universe means new packages [01:30] Adri2000: SurE? [01:30] StevenK: can [01:30] Adri2000: Has it been discussed already? [01:30] I don't think so [01:30] Adri2000: Or is it just painfully obvious to everyone but me? :-) === chrisj [n=tortoise@82.152.245.136] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gazer [n=gazer@200.68.69.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-bf9703c7a9c3b0b9] has joined #ubuntu-motu === esaym [n=user@cpe-72-183-201-32.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:59] has uvf already happened? [01:59] yes [01:59] argh [01:59] i hate exceptions [01:59] Then don't file them? [02:00] Sounds fairly simple to me. [02:00] they're nto as bad as SRU's [02:00] Don't start that again. :-) [02:01] stevenk, yeah you are right [02:01] i dont know why i do this, bug it is a fairly critical bug [02:01] and although i dont get money and i dont profitate from the success of ubuntu, i want to get this fixed ;-) dont know why [02:02] pirast: What is the problem? [02:02] broken bcm43xx support [02:03] the kernel driver requires a firmware version 4 [02:03] but the bcm43xx-fwcutter in universe can not extract it from version 4 [02:03] that came in a later version which is in debian but not ubuntu [02:04] I can't see that package in Debian... === StevenK looks harder. [02:05] bcm43xx-fwcutter [02:05] Hobbsee: so for acon do I have to file a UVF or it can be reviewed since it is a bug fix ? [02:05] http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/bcm43xx-fwcutter [02:05] AnAnt: afaik, it's a bugfix [02:05] Hobbsee: ok, can you review it then ? [02:05] no. i'm tired, i'm going to bed RSN. [02:06]