[12:24] In #ubuntuforums, tsmithe said: !hiya is howdy [12:24] or is that just going too far? [12:24] we're getting into the cruft zone, imho [12:24] yeah === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Hobbsee] by ChanServ === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Burgwork] by ChanServ [01:37] bug 366113 [01:37] grrrrr [01:37] why isnt that working :( === Seeker` wonders if bug 366113 refers to ubugtu not giving out details of bugs... [01:39] malone 366113 [01:39] Seeker`: it searches mozilla bug tracker too :) [01:39] %config list supybot.plugins.bugtracker [01:39] Mez: its mozilla upstream not malone [01:39] @config list supybot.plugins.bugtracker [01:39] #bugReporter, #bugReporter_closed, #bugSnarfer, #repeatdelay, #replyNoBugtracker, #showassignee, #snarfTarget, @bugtrackers, imap_password, imap_server, imap_ssl, imap_user, public, replyWhenNotFound, and reportercache [01:39] @config channel supybot.plugins.bugtracker.bugSnarfer [01:39] True [01:39] weird [01:39] it should snarf in here [01:40] bug 1 [01:40] Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [01:40] @config list supybot.plugins.bugtracker.bugtrackers [01:40] @apache, @bug, @bughost.org, @bugs.gentoo.org, @bugzilla.xfce.org, @cups, @debian, @django, @freedesktop, @freedesktop2, @gaim, @gcc, @gnewsense, @gnome, @gnome2, @kde, @madwifi, @malone, @mandriva, @mozilla, @novell, @openoffice, @openoffice.org, @oss.codepoet.no, @redhat, @sourceforge, @sourceware, @squid, @supybot, @trac, @ubuntu, @w3c, @wine, @xfce, and @ximian [01:40] mozilla 366113 [01:40] Mozilla bug 366113 in Build Config "mozilla-plugin.pc should not depend on mozilla-xpcom.pc" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=366113 [01:40] ah [01:40] ty [01:40] ;) === trollboy [n=trollboy@ip72-193-160-182.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops [01:43] hello [01:43] I was kicked due to a router exploit [01:44] I've since updated my firmware === hybrid [n=x@easyubuntu/supporter/hybrid] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v hybrid] by ChanServ [01:46] hi hybrid === PriceChild [n=PriceChi@host86-138-223-156.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-ops [01:46] brb restarting === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v PriceChild] by ChanServ [01:47] hi trollboy === trollboy [n=trollboy@ip72-193-160-182.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops [01:59] How can I test my router now? [01:59] trollboy: i'll test you [02:00] use shields up [02:00] no, not fixed === trollboy [n=trollboy@ip72-193-160-182.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops [02:01] trollboy, it's not fixed. [02:01] trollboy: connect to port 8001 [02:01] what's the deal with this exploit? [02:02] I just updated my firmware [02:02] what's going on with it? [02:02] is it a xchat bug or what? [02:02] trollboy: well, that obviously didn't work. you noticed you were just disconnected, surely? [02:02] no, it's not an xchat bug. it's a router bug. [02:02] obviously [02:02] the new firmware apparently hasn't fixed that for you [02:02] how many routers are affected? [02:02] apparantly not [02:02] it's a router bug, most firmware has been updated to avoid the bug. [02:02] is there a name for this bug I can google? [02:02] dunno. about 10 users get disconnected on a 1000 users channel [02:02] dunno trollboy [02:02] a whole lot of netgear, linksys routers [02:03] the easiest fix is just to connect to 8001 instead of 6667 [02:03] trollboy: google for netgear dcc irc exploit, should come up pretty quick [02:03] fair enough [02:03] I'll look into it [02:03] you seriously want to get this fixed [02:03] well not all IRC networks accept connections on 6667 [02:03] i'm sure it's not funny to be on ones that don't [02:04] err i mean, *besides* on 6667 [02:05] thing is though, connecting on the non-standard port is a bandaid on a bulletwound solution [02:05] I'd much rather fix my router [02:05] Thus why I want to see about firmwares, etc === Hobbsee doesnt get the bug on afternet, for some reason. [02:05] it seems to only be some of the networks [02:06] trollboy: thought you updated your firmware? what's your router? [02:06] well but Hobbsee, you aren't getting on here either anymore [02:06] remember when you tried connecting to 6667 again? [02:06] http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2006-1067 [02:06] LjL: i got my firmware updated. [02:06] yeah [02:06] LInksys WRT54G v5 [02:06] that's the one [02:06] and some others [02:06] netgear wg645, iirc. [02:06] or whatever it is [02:06] when was this discovered? [02:07] My firmware was dated 2/9/2007 [02:07] when i was last on the roof... [02:07] um, months ago [02:07] they kept kicking my client, over and over :P [02:07] july 06, according to that page [02:11] yeah [02:11] I don't think its that one [02:14] why? [02:14] hey trollboy nice nick... [02:14] it's been around for a long while... [02:17] Hobbsee: my nick, or the bug [02:17] the bug [02:17] ah [02:17] effie_jayx: thanks === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Jucato] by ChanServ === hybrid [n=x@72.169.30.254] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v hybrid] by ChanServ === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Jucato] by ChanServ === Vorian [n=vorian@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Vorian [n=vorian@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has left #ubuntu-ops [] === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Madpilot] by ChanServ [04:07] This is just my opinion, so don't ban me for it.You know, the people who do that exploit.. they probably do it just to watch the ops go through all the work (as well as further spamming the channel) of banning the victims whose router were affected. I'm just curious but do the ops really have to do all that banning? I mean it is basically spamming the channel and you'll never be done because new people with bad routers join #ubuntu daily. [04:08] It seems that all that banning is spamming the channel more than the exploit itself. [04:09] it's not [04:09] based on when we *weren't* doing it - it's far less disruption [04:09] it would drop ~50 people, or whatever [04:09] Right, but if you didn't do it at all.. [04:10] now? then we'd be back to a few people who dropped each time, slowly increasing [04:11] ardchoille: of course, losing logs, conversations etc, that you were in, every time the exploit is run, is highly annoying [04:11] True, but you'll never be done.. and it just adds to spamming the channel, in my opinion. Isn't there a way to do all that without all the text being sent to the channel? [04:12] you mean hiding the joins and parts? [04:12] I"m just trying to look at this from a "user" point of view. The users who are there for help and don't have a bad router, what do they see the ops doing? My 8 years old niece complained to me that she thought the ops were doing more harm to the channel than the exploiter. [04:14] have you ever been a user exploited? [04:15] No. [04:15] lucky [04:15] But, I have been a user having to sort through all the spam caused y the ops. [04:15] .. while trying to help someone. [04:16] Well, as I said, this is just my opinion.. and I like to do what I feel is "protecting the best channel on freenode". [04:24] From what I see, there were 20 lines of spam added to the channel due to the exploiter's actions. There were an additional27 lines added to the channel due to the actions of the ops. === QMario [n=QMario@cpe-70-116-124-115.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #Ubuntu-ops [04:25] 20 lines for the exploit versus 47 lines for the exploit + ops actions. [04:26] So, it would seem that the actions of the ops adds more spam to the channel than the actions of the expoiters. [04:27] I realise all that action is well-intentioned, but in the end it just ads lots of channel spam. [04:28] If all of that reallu must be done, can it be done on one line? Somthing like " -bbbbbbb nick1 nick2 nick3 nick4 nick5 nick6 nick7 "? This would seem to cut down on the spam added by the ops. [04:29] i dont think that's possible [04:30] Newbies complain that the channel it too fast as it is, it's difficult and confusing to keep up with the answers to their questions. [04:30] but if you're really concerned about how op actions and other channel noise is disrupting your ability to help, you should really turn off joins/parts - as there are far more of them than op stuff [04:30] Hobbsee: Hmm.. I wish there were a way to do that. [04:30] Well, It's not just me. [04:30] Newbies probably don't know how to turn that stuff off. [04:31] And it's the newbies that we are there to help [04:32] What do the other ops think of this conversation? What does freenode say about all of this? nalioth ? [04:33] clearly they arent here, else they'd probably be replying? [04:34] :( [04:35] I realise the ops have a tough job and I appreciate them, I really do. But, in the end, if it weren't for the newbies, the ops wouldn't have a job.. so the noewbies are the ones we need to look after. [04:36] There has to be some way to kick/ban someone without that stuff going to the channel. If there isn't a way to do that, then that functionality should be added to the code of the software that runs freenode. [04:38] And, if, in looking after the noobies, the ops have to go a bit out of their way.. so be it. Call it hazards of the job. [04:42] Hobbsee: I see some of the ops mass banning several nicks at a a time, rather than one line per ban. I know it's possible to do that. So, it would seem that one op can gather all the nicks together on one line and do a mass ban. [04:42] This would alleviate a lot of the spam from the ops. [04:42] and how do they do that? [04:43] 14:33:17 mode/#ubuntu (-bbbb kingsley*!*@*!#ubuntu-read-topic spoot!*@*!#ubuntu-read-topic jakethesnake!*@*!#ubuntu-read-topic gigi!*@*!#ubuntu-read-topic) by LjL [04:43] Seems LjL knows how to do it. [04:44] That was one line, versus four lines if he had not consolidated those nicks. [04:45] My IRC client shows the time being 19:44 now, so that was just over 5 hours ago. [04:47] neat [04:47] That would help a great deal with what I"m talking about. [04:48] Less for newbies to have to sort through in the channel. === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v tonyyarusso] by ChanServ === threeseas [n=threesea@adsl-35-24-178.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops [05:00] hey tonyyarusso, did you get the new package uploaded to REVU? === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-ops [05:00] help, I'm suppose to ask for help to rejoin ubuntu [05:01] Hobbsee: not yet. Hoping for tomorrow at best. [05:01] !exploit | threeseas [05:01] threeseas: There are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit [05:02] tonyyarusso: get to it. you're in the REVU keyring already? [05:02] Hobbsee: Should be. Joined the group and asked for a sync on Friday. [05:02] cool [05:03] This package must be up for another major release. The latest stable tarball I found is from 2003, but there's SVN stuff marked as beta in 2006. [05:03] fun [05:03] I've already changed the port to 8001 [05:03] might be feisty+1 then [05:04] cool, you're safe [05:04] threeseas: you should be able to rejoin now [05:04] thanks [05:04] no problems === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-ops [] [05:21] In ubotu, HymnToLife said: no breezy is the third release of Ubuntu. Version 5.10, codename "Breezy Badger". Upgrading to !dapper : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DapperUpgrades [05:21] !breezy [05:21] breezy was the third release of Ubuntu. Version 5.10, codename "Breezy Badger" [05:22] Probably makes sense? [05:23] In ubotu, tonyyarusso said: no, breezy is the third release of Ubuntu. Version 5.10, codename "Breezy Badger". Upgrading to !dapper : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DapperUpgrades [05:23] wait, erm [05:23] %login [05:23] cool [05:23] !no, breezy is the third release of Ubuntu. Version 5.10, codename "Breezy Badger". Upgrading to !dapper : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DapperUpgrades [05:23] I'll remember that Hobbsee === Pete [i=46b594c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-b8a550505f0bc85a] has joined #ubuntu-ops [06:43] anybody awake that might have some suggestions for getting a new ubuntu install network card working? [06:56] argh, trolls in #kubuntu if anyone has nothing else to do [07:25] I'm for the revolution's coming. I don't know where she's been. For those who dare, because it's there; I know, I've seen. === phos-phoros [n=donovan@unaffiliated/phos-phoros] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Seveas] by ChanServ === hybrid [n=x@72.169.30.254] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Jussi01 [i=c3940288@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-150d70894e88061c] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Jussi01_ [i=c3940288@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-63e023fb2fe8c0c5] has joined #ubuntu-ops === hybrid [n=x@72.169.30.254] has joined #ubuntu-ops === hybrid [n=x@72.169.30.254] has joined #ubuntu-ops === GazzaK [n=Dogbert@unaffiliated/GazzaK] has joined #ubuntu-ops [09:31] ardchoille: you still about? [09:31] nalioth: Aye. [09:33] ardchoille: have you ever seen what the exploit does to a channel with over a 1000 people in it who are all vulnerable to it? [09:34] nalioth: I realise the damage the exploit can do, and I am not denying that the ops need to take action. I just think there should be a better way to deal with it rather than the ops doubling the lines by kicking/banning those who are affected. [09:34] i well understand that the ops can use the +bbbb host host host host technique [09:34] Perhaps including multiple kicks/bans on one line with -bbb nick1 nick2 nick3 [09:34] Yeah [09:35] i don't know when they started actively kicking people out after setting the bans, i personally do not think that is important [09:35] That last exploit in #ubuntu was 20 lines, but the ops added another 27 lines dealing with it [09:35] yes, i read the scrollback [09:36] I'm just trying to keep the "noise" down a bit, from a user point of view. [09:37] nalioth: Is there a way for the freenode software to forward certain routers to a certain channel? [09:37] And have that channel moderated with a specific topic? [09:37] ardchoille: i wish it were so easy [09:38] hehe [09:38] how do you think freenode would find out if there were certain routers in use? [09:38] Just trying to think of a way to help. [09:38] I don't know, it was just an idea. [09:38] HI and wlcome to freenode CDD ENDS BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA and have a nice day if you are still here [09:39] we do what we've found works. [09:39] believe me, you've not seen anything until you see ~100 people just drop off the channel at once [09:39] quite disturbing [09:39] Oh, I totally agree. But, there's nothing wrong with trying to find new ideas that may work better. [09:39] and disruptive [09:39] understood [09:40] Yes, I can see how that is disruptive. But, I don't think the ops need to further disrupt the channel by doubling the lines. [09:40] Just my opinion. [09:40] I've never seen that many, bet it scares the life out ya the first time? or does it look like a netspilt? [09:40] i think the ops in here can go with the +bbbb host host host host method and not kick the folks afterward. i personally see no reason to kick them, they'll either leave #ubuntu and not get back in or be exploited one last time [09:41] nalioth: Agreed. [09:41] GazzaK: Lots of users disconnect with "Read error: Connection reset blah" [09:42] actually with "blah", or with "by peer"? [09:43] nalioth: Is it possible to detect *how* the users left and then +b those? [09:43] GazzaK: by peer [09:43] ardchoille: we use the Mk 1 Eyeball and our mental timepieces for that determination [09:43] hahaha [09:43] :-) [09:44] not all leave the same way [09:44] Ah, ok === Seeker` [n=cjo20@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops === [Phaedrus] [i=cbc7d542@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-16805f1e6fd5312f] has joined #ubuntu-ops === ikonia_ [n=mattd@alesi.projecthugo.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-ops [10:48] Seveas are you available please [10:48] ikonia_: what's up? [10:48] I was banned on Friday for 24 hours for the comment "you're too stupid to use ubuntu". However I've not been unbanned yet and its causing my partner a slight problem as it appears my hostmask is banned so she can't connect. I can get around this using a different host, but thats not really in the spirit of things, I'd rather resolve the issue than try to be sneaky around it [10:48] sec. [10:48] 04:48 -!- mode/#ubuntu [-b *!*@alesi.projecthugo.co.uk] by mneptok [10:48] thank you [10:48] and in te future, go burn a copy of the CoC when you get frustrated. we can't see that kinda thang. ;) [10:49] I've self signed up for the CoC "rules" thing ubuntoob or what ever its called [10:49] suave. [10:49] thanks [10:50] can't remember the correct term [10:50] "sexilicious?" [10:50] I don't think that was the advertised program to sign up for. [10:50] but that one does sound of more interest [10:51] please bring a clean towel and a change of underwear. [10:52] as a side issue, are you aware there are still a few "unfriendly" exit messages in the ubuntu BitchX build ? [10:53] i am aware of it. what i find somewhat more alarming is that people still use bx. [10:53] fair enough, as long as you guys are aware of it [10:54] I don't have a problem with the client, its just a tad shocking when you leave and it pops an offensive message up. I thought they had all been removed in the ubuntu build, due to ubuntu's nature [10:54] i'll tell fabbione about it. he uses bx (although FSM knows why) [10:54] oho! [10:54] I've only seen too, it could just get people in a tad hot water when they leave if they don't know there are still a few bad ones in [10:54] a bx user! [10:55] irssi works [10:55] mneptok only on this client [10:55] i hawe something you want. stand by. [10:55] ahhh I'm on a minimal gateway box, didn't have all the libs [10:55] *have [10:55] this box isn't running ubuntu. But I'm interested in what you have [10:55] http://www.holoweb.net/~liam/ftp/ankh.bx/ankh1-39bx.tgz [10:56] that's a script by a friend that works for the W3C. he's a usability freak. [10:56] that script makes bx *actually attractive*. [10:56] what is its purpose ? [10:56] ooooh, ok. I'm open to new things [10:57] http://www.holoweb.net/~liam/bx/screenshot4.gif [10:57] got it. Thanks [10:57] you'll either hate it, or refuse to use bx without it. *shrug* [10:57] still doesn't fix the resize issue ;) [10:57] heheheh [10:58] happy to give new things a go. I don't use BitchX much any more, but the host I'm forced to connect to at the moment, BitchX is bar far the best option [10:58] ikonia_: irssi doesn't work? [10:58] VMS host? [10:58] ;) === mneptok tootles off for a smoke [10:58] ha ha [10:58] not quite [11:09] In ubotu, yaman said: what is the best messenger === yaman [n=docmanot@82.137.234.11] has joined #ubuntu-ops === yaman [n=docmanot@82.137.234.11] has left #ubuntu-ops [] === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.250] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Vorian [n=vorian@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Hobbsee] by ChanServ [12:34] arghhhh [12:36] hrm? === rob bops === mneptok coats Hobbsee with sweat and molten beryllium [12:38] heya rob [12:38] mneptok: ewww [12:38] hi Hobbsee === Hobbsee takes a quick shower, and then coats mneptok in hot, sticky, tar. === GazzaK throws feathers all over the tar covered mneptok [12:39] hey funky chicken [12:40] woo! i'ts a mneptchicken! [12:40] BAWK BAWK === GazzaK gets his gun [12:40] chicken for dinner, yay [12:43] excellent! [12:44] it taste just like chicken! [12:44] only one way to be sure, though .... [12:45] BITE ME! === Hobbsee prods GazzaK forward === mneptok unzips === GazzaK licks then bites mneptok [12:46] BAWK BAWK! [12:46] ummmm, tastes like chicken [12:46] mneptok, you ain't right [12:46] yeah, and you love it. [12:46] so sit down and have a canape. === mneptok tootles off for home [12:47] most blokes run a mile and either get agressive or defensive, you on the other hand.... [12:51] GazzaK, well that was silly. now you need to get yourself checked out for the bird flu [12:52] lol [12:52] this one is a special bird flu though. it makes the chickens act like mad cows [12:53] ugh === Hobbsee bleep bleep [01:05] hmph... i need a quick, succinct 'bio' about me (or more specifically, about my involvement with Ubuntu) to append to an article, but i suck at writing about myself... [01:05] what article is this for? [01:06] what do you mean by 'what is it for?' as in who or as in what about? i cant really say anything about the latter [01:07] both. the former [01:08] OSTG. like i was telling you and karl at circular quay [01:09] it's an article that is ubuntu related, so a disclosure of proximity would be a good move [01:10] ahhh === Hobbsee tries to figure out what "disclosure of proximity" means in this context... === Hobbsee seems to be easily confused [01:11] it means since the article is ubuntu related, and i, as an ubuntu member is the one writing it, that it should be made clear that i am involved in the project as a whole [01:12] as opposed to writing it an hoping nobody notices [01:12] gotcha === Kamping_Kaiser is disturbed no one can help elkbuntu with it [01:43] i see ken is acting up again :( [01:43] he was being good for a while [01:44] he was the one I got in trouble calling too stupid to use ubuntu [01:44] !offtopic [01:44] #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome! [01:45] ikonia_: i believe that was someone else atleast different nick maybe same guy though === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ [01:45] if you mean a couple days ago === mode/#ubuntu-ops [-o Hobbsee] by ChanServ [01:46] his username / nick was the same guy === Hobbsee thinsk he can plead his case in here. [01:46] but yes I meant on Friday === kenthomson [n=kenthoms@59.95.211.7] has joined #ubuntu-ops [01:46] Hmm...? [01:46] kenthomson: right. for all intents and purposes, #ubuntu-offtopic is where all random chatter, including OS talk, which is not #ubuntu support, is to go, okay? [01:47] havent you seen how busy it is in there? [01:47] right! [01:47] you've been warned. [01:47] thankyou :) === kenthomson shivers [01:47] :) === Hobbsee takes out the ban === Hobbsee would have thought such things were common sense, but perhaps not [01:48] Common sense is only common to people who have done-repeatedly done that particular thing in the past [01:48] besides its not common sense for a tribal to look for food in the fridge if he gets hungry [01:49] its in the topic :) [01:49] people dont read topics, entry notices, etc. [01:50] Moreover, common sense is layer upon layer of strong opinions that have been fed to you since childhood, and which at present occupy such a deep position in your mind subconscious mind, that you can't think out of the domain of it. You are infact a prisoner of your common sense, which is nothing but strongly-densely compacted layers of prejudice that are so deeply ingrained in your brain, that you can't question their credibility. Read Theory of Kn [01:50] owledge to know better [01:50] dunno why - i mean, it might actually *help* them in getting what they want... [01:50] And this is not pasting :) [01:52] kenthomson, its verry deep, but off topic ;P [01:52] Finally, i was thinking that i was in a graveyard without a soul in site [01:52] then again, if i dont use common sense, i'm likely to do something stupid [01:53] i believe it's called "thinking outside the box" - i'ts a skill, and it's possible [01:53] Hobbsee, you see, you are not able to think out of the domain of certain thoughts that you like to call common sense, when you say "if i dont use common sense..." === ikonia_ would quit while ahead [01:54] then you just go into what's real, and what's imagination. [01:54] depends on the relationship between common sense and logic [01:54] ikonia_, its that common sense thing at work... [01:54] Hobbsee, "thinking outside the box" refers to higher cognitive functions of the human brain that require focused attention and Random associations to produce something innovative, and "common sense"-as you like to term it, refers to lower brain functions, as-in derive from pure experience as in-the effects of gravity [01:55] see, you could theoretically get rid of common sense...but does that mean that you throw out logic as well? if you throw out logic, you never come to any conclusions, and therefore die very quickly. [01:55] please kill me [01:55] ikonia_: heh, yes [01:55] kenthomson: anyway, #ubuntu-offtopic [01:55] ikonia_, i would, but i'm not an op ;) === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ === ikonia_ was kicked off #ubuntu-ops by Hobbsee (: nope, cant kill you sorry - can kick you though!) === ikonia_ [n=mattd@alesi.projecthugo.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-ops [01:55] :P === mode/#ubuntu-ops [-o Hobbsee] by ChanServ [01:56] showoff :P [01:56] I don't know the emote for the finger [01:56] haha [01:56] hoa! [01:56] [23:55] *** You have kicked ikonia_ from the channel (: nope, cant kill you sorry - can kick you though!). [01:56] if you didnt see [01:56] Hobbsee not quite the same - although it did put me out of that conversation for a moment, which was a blessing [01:56] so I'm still greatful [01:56] ikonia_: i could kickban too, if you prefer? :P [01:57] Hobbsee, is there somthing like kick -r [01:57] not sure thats the route I'm looking for [01:57] depends what -r is for [01:57] r=recursive [01:57] ikonia_: right. there's remove too [01:57] and i though i was talking to a ubuntu mod! :) [01:57] *thought [01:57] your -r isnt necessarily a part of freenode syntax - it could mean anything [01:57] as in, kicking multiple people? === Hobbsee wonders how one kicks recursively...kick person, kick yourself... [01:59] kick person repeatedly only if another occurence/instance of the object of his corporeal/ethereal self is detected in the freenode servers :) [02:00] ah yeah. === Hobbsee doesnt remember offhand how to do that [02:00] oh wait, there are 2 ways [02:01] there's something in chanserv, and if you keep banforwarding to the same channel, or an alias of the same channel, then it just gives up after 3 times === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ === Kamping_Kaiser upgrades his router === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+b kenthomson!*@*] by Hobbsee === kenthomson was kicked off #ubuntu-ops by Hobbsee (!#ubuntu-read-topic) === mode/#ubuntu-ops [-b kenthomson!*@*] by Hobbsee === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+b kenthomson!*@*!#ubuntu-read-topic] by Hobbsee [02:02] and there was peace and quiet [02:02] or was there... :) === mode/#ubuntu-ops [-b kenthomson!*@*!#ubuntu-read-topic] by Hobbsee [02:03] seems that #ubuntu-read-topic does *not* forward here [02:03] wouldnt that make the channels existance moot? [02:03] good point [02:04] mmm [02:06] bah. troll [02:06] [Tue Feb 20 2007] [00:02:30] and is this a way, you treat a fellow member? [02:06] [Tue Feb 20 2007] [00:02:45] oh darn, that didnt work [02:06] [Tue Feb 20 2007] [00:03:12] You said this="Hobbsee wonders how one kicks recursively...kick person, kick yourself...", so i responded accordingly, and got kicked, or am i a guinea pig for your fantasies? [02:06] [Tue Feb 20 2007] [00:03:25] no, i was showing you it was possible [02:06] [Tue Feb 20 2007] [00:03:27] seeing as you asked [02:06] [Tue Feb 20 2007] [00:04:53] anyway, right now, i'm going to bed. i'm not into arguing with you, and you havent chosen to go to #ubuntu-offtopic as requested, to discuss the matters which you want to discuss [02:06] [Tue Feb 20 2007] [00:05:50] Alright! Being kicked around in the LInux world maybe increases your immunity to "more uglier CLI", so i talk it as that, and choose to leave [02:06] [Tue Feb 20 2007] [00:05:50] &taje [02:06] [Tue Feb 20 2007] [00:05:50] *take [02:13] what happened to Ken ? [02:13] he left [02:13] I saw hobbes post a load of conversation === paradroid [i=stefan@gateway/tor/x-30fa4f21d286f270] has joined #ubuntu-ops === PriceChild [n=pricechi@unix0.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-ops === paradroid [i=stefan@gateway/tor/x-30fa4f21d286f270] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Wiederschaun"] === paradroid [i=stefan@gateway/tor/x-30fa4f21d286f270] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v PriceChild] by ChanServ === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v PriceChild] by ChanServ === bjoern___ [i=bjoern@gateway/tor/x-047d3b6111f9c09a] has joined #ubuntu-ops [03:36] SportChick, you around? [03:36] yes sort of [03:36] naughty person dccing code around [03:36] in hospital, but checking messages [03:36] @ PriceChild [03:37] ikonia_, as in / ? [03:37] saleschild yes [03:37] Ah ok [03:37] sorry SportChick just thought I knew that person... [03:37] SportChick, was a bit miffed at how he got klined :) [03:37] ikonia_, pm? [03:37] he was trying to send me naughty code [03:37] yeah certainly [03:37] ooho hang on [03:38] I'm not a registered nick ans my nick is loggied in at home [03:38] PriceChild did you get my message as my temp nick isn't registered [03:38] PriceChild: not sure but I think he was autoklined [03:38] yeah [03:38] I accept all pms ikonia_ :) [03:38] Thanks SportChick :) [04:17] Hey [04:17] I need help [04:17] I am giving a talk in ubuntu-ve and some trolls just came in [04:17] some debianita trolls [04:17]