[12:24] <ubotu> In #ubuntuforums, tsmithe said: !hiya is <alias> howdy
[12:24] <tsmithe> or is that just going too far?
[12:24] <nalioth> we're getting into the cruft zone, imho
[12:24] <tsmithe> yeah
[01:37] <gnomefreak> bug 366113
[01:37] <gnomefreak> grrrrr
[01:37] <gnomefreak> why isnt that working :(
[01:39] <Mez> malone 366113
[01:39] <gnomefreak> Seeker`: it searches mozilla bug tracker too :)
[01:39] <Mez> %config list supybot.plugins.bugtracker
[01:39] <gnomefreak> Mez: its mozilla upstream not malone
[01:39] <Mez> @config list supybot.plugins.bugtracker
[01:39] <Ubugtu> #bugReporter, #bugReporter_closed, #bugSnarfer, #repeatdelay, #replyNoBugtracker, #showassignee, #snarfTarget, @bugtrackers, imap_password, imap_server, imap_ssl, imap_user, public, replyWhenNotFound, and reportercache
[01:39] <Mez> @config channel supybot.plugins.bugtracker.bugSnarfer
[01:39] <Ubugtu> True
[01:39] <Mez> weird
[01:39] <Mez> it should snarf in here
[01:40] <gnomefreak> bug 1
[01:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[01:40] <Mez> @config list supybot.plugins.bugtracker.bugtrackers
[01:40] <Ubugtu> @apache, @bug, @bughost.org, @bugs.gentoo.org, @bugzilla.xfce.org, @cups, @debian, @django, @freedesktop, @freedesktop2, @gaim, @gcc, @gnewsense, @gnome, @gnome2, @kde, @madwifi, @malone, @mandriva, @mozilla, @novell, @openoffice, @openoffice.org, @oss.codepoet.no, @redhat, @sourceforge, @sourceware, @squid, @supybot, @trac, @ubuntu, @w3c, @wine, @xfce, and @ximian
[01:40] <Mez> mozilla 366113
[01:40] <Ubugtu> Mozilla bug 366113 in Build Config "mozilla-plugin.pc should not depend on mozilla-xpcom.pc" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=366113
[01:40] <gnomefreak> ah
[01:40] <gnomefreak> ty
[01:40] <Mez> ;)
[01:43] <trollboy> hello
[01:43] <trollboy> I was kicked due to a router exploit
[01:44] <trollboy> I've since updated my firmware
[01:46] <trollboy> hi hybrid
[01:46] <trollboy> brb restarting
[01:47] <hybrid> hi trollboy
[01:59] <trollboy> How can I test my router now?
[01:59] <LjL> trollboy: i'll test you
[02:00] <hybrid> use shields up
[02:00] <LjL> no, not fixed
[02:01] <LjL> trollboy, it's not fixed.
[02:01] <LjL> trollboy: connect to port 8001
[02:01] <trollboy> what's the deal with this exploit?
[02:02] <trollboy> I just updated my firmware
[02:02] <trollboy> what's going on with it?
[02:02] <trollboy> is it a xchat bug or what?
[02:02] <LjL> trollboy: well, that obviously didn't work. you noticed you were just disconnected, surely?
[02:02] <LjL> no, it's not an xchat bug. it's a router bug.
[02:02] <trollboy> obviously
[02:02] <LjL> the new firmware apparently hasn't fixed that for you
[02:02] <trollboy> how many routers are affected?
[02:02] <trollboy> apparantly not
[02:02] <Hobbsee> it's a router bug, most firmware has been updated to avoid the bug.
[02:02] <trollboy> is there a name for this bug I can google?
[02:02] <LjL> dunno. about 10 users get disconnected on a 1000 users channel
[02:02] <LjL> dunno trollboy
[02:02] <Hobbsee> a whole lot of netgear, linksys routers
[02:03] <LjL> the easiest fix is just to connect to 8001 instead of 6667
[02:03] <Hobbsee> trollboy: google for netgear dcc irc exploit, should come up pretty quick
[02:03] <trollboy> fair enough
[02:03] <trollboy> I'll look into it
[02:03] <Hobbsee> you seriously want to get this fixed
[02:03] <LjL> well not all IRC networks accept connections on 6667
[02:03] <LjL> i'm sure it's not funny to be on ones that don't
[02:04] <LjL> err i mean, *besides* on 6667
[02:05] <trollboy> thing is though, connecting on the non-standard port is a bandaid on a bulletwound solution
[02:05] <trollboy> I'd much rather fix my router
[02:05] <trollboy> Thus why I want to see about firmwares, etc
[02:05] <Hobbsee> it seems to only be some of the networks
[02:06] <Hobbsee> trollboy: thought you updated your firmware?  what's your router?
[02:06] <LjL> well but Hobbsee, you aren't getting on here either anymore
[02:06] <LjL> remember when you tried connecting to 6667 again?
[02:06] <trollboy> http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2006-1067
[02:06] <Hobbsee> LjL: i got my firmware updated.
[02:06] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:06] <trollboy> LInksys WRT54G v5
[02:06] <Hobbsee> that's the one
[02:06] <Hobbsee> and some others
[02:06] <Hobbsee> netgear wg645, iirc.
[02:06] <Hobbsee> or whatever it is
[02:06] <trollboy> when was this discovered?
[02:07] <trollboy> My firmware was dated 2/9/2007
[02:07] <Hobbsee> when i was last on the roof...
[02:07] <Hobbsee> um, months ago
[02:07] <Hobbsee> they kept kicking my client, over and over :P
[02:07] <Hobbsee> july 06, according to that page
[02:11] <trollboy> yeah
[02:11] <trollboy> I don't think its that one
[02:14] <Hobbsee> why?
[02:14] <effie_jayx> hey trollboy  nice nick...
[02:14] <Hobbsee> it's been around for a long while...
[02:17] <trollboy> Hobbsee: my nick, or the bug
[02:17] <Hobbsee> the bug
[02:17] <trollboy> ah
[02:17] <trollboy> effie_jayx: thanks
[04:07] <ardchoille> This is just my opinion, so don't ban me for it.You know, the people who do that exploit.. they probably do it just to watch the ops go through all the work (as well as further spamming the channel) of banning the victims whose router were affected. I'm just curious but do the ops really have to do all that banning? I mean it is basically spamming the channel and you'll never be done because new people with bad routers join #ubuntu daily.
[04:08] <ardchoille> It seems that all that banning is spamming the channel more than the exploit itself.
[04:09] <Hobbsee> it's not
[04:09] <Hobbsee> based on when we *weren't* doing it - it's far less disruption
[04:09] <Hobbsee> it would drop ~50 people, or whatever
[04:09] <ardchoille> Right, but if you didn't do it at all..
[04:10] <Hobbsee> now?  then we'd be back to a few people who dropped each time, slowly increasing
[04:11] <Hobbsee> ardchoille: of course, losing logs, conversations etc, that you were in, every time the exploit is run, is highly annoying
[04:11] <ardchoille> True, but you'll never be done.. and it just adds to spamming the channel, in my opinion. Isn't there a way to do all that without all the text being sent to the channel?
[04:12] <Hobbsee> you mean hiding the joins and parts?
[04:12] <ardchoille> I"m just trying to look at this from a "user" point of view. The users who are there for help and don't have a bad router, what do they see the ops doing? My 8 years old niece complained to me that she thought the ops were doing more harm to the channel than the exploiter.
[04:14] <Hobbsee> have you ever been a user exploited?
[04:15] <ardchoille> No.
[04:15] <Hobbsee> lucky
[04:15] <ardchoille> But, I have been a user having to sort through all the spam caused y the ops.
[04:15] <ardchoille> .. while trying to help someone.
[04:16] <ardchoille> Well, as I said, this is just my opinion.. and I like to do what I feel is "protecting the best channel on freenode".
[04:24] <ardchoille> From what I see, there were 20 lines of spam added to the channel due to the exploiter's actions. There were an additional27 lines added to the channel due to the actions of the ops.
[04:25] <ardchoille> 20 lines for the exploit versus 47 lines for the exploit + ops actions.
[04:26] <ardchoille> So, it would seem that the actions of the ops adds more spam to the channel than the actions of the expoiters.
[04:27] <ardchoille> I realise all that action is well-intentioned, but in the end it just ads lots of channel spam.
[04:28] <ardchoille> If all of that reallu must be done, can it be done on one line? Somthing like " -bbbbbbb nick1 nick2 nick3 nick4 nick5 nick6 nick7 "? This would seem to cut down on the spam added by the ops.
[04:29] <Hobbsee> i dont think that's possible
[04:30] <ardchoille> Newbies complain that the channel it too fast as it is, it's difficult and confusing to keep up with the answers to their questions.
[04:30] <Hobbsee> but if you're really concerned about how op actions and other channel noise is disrupting your ability to help, you should really turn off joins/parts - as there are far more of them than op stuff
[04:30] <ardchoille> Hobbsee: Hmm.. I wish there were a way to do that.
[04:30] <ardchoille> Well, It's not just me.
[04:30] <ardchoille> Newbies probably don't know how to turn that stuff off.
[04:31] <ardchoille> And it's the newbies that we are there to help
[04:32] <ardchoille> What do the other ops think of this conversation? What does freenode say about all of this? nalioth ?
[04:33] <Hobbsee> clearly they arent here, else they'd probably be replying?
[04:34] <ardchoille> :(
[04:35] <ardchoille> I realise the ops have a tough job and I appreciate them, I really do. But, in the end, if it weren't for the newbies, the ops wouldn't have a job.. so the noewbies are the ones we need to look after.
[04:36] <ardchoille> There has to be some way to kick/ban someone without that stuff going to the channel. If there isn't a way to do that, then that functionality should be added to the code of the software that runs freenode.
[04:38] <ardchoille> And, if, in looking after the noobies, the ops have to go a bit out of their way.. so be it. Call it hazards of the job.
[04:42] <ardchoille> Hobbsee: I see some of the ops mass banning several nicks at a a time, rather than one line per ban. I know it's possible to do that. So, it would seem that one op can gather all the nicks together on one line and do a mass ban.
[04:42] <ardchoille> This would alleviate a lot of the spam from the ops.
[04:42] <Hobbsee> and how do they do that?
[04:43] <ardchoille> 14:33:17 mode/#ubuntu (-bbbb kingsley*!*@*!#ubuntu-read-topic spoot!*@*!#ubuntu-read-topic jakethesnake!*@*!#ubuntu-read-topic gigi!*@*!#ubuntu-read-topic) by LjL
[04:43] <ardchoille> Seems LjL knows how to do it.
[04:44] <ardchoille> That was one line, versus four lines if he had not consolidated those nicks.
[04:45] <ardchoille> My IRC client shows the time being 19:44 now, so that was just over 5 hours ago.
[04:47] <Hobbsee> neat
[04:47] <ardchoille> That would help a great deal with what I"m talking about.
[04:48] <ardchoille> Less for newbies to have to sort through in the channel.
[05:00] <Hobbsee> hey tonyyarusso, did you get the new package uploaded to REVU?
[05:00] <threeseas> help, I'm suppose to ask for help to rejoin ubuntu
[05:01] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: not yet.  Hoping for tomorrow at best.
[05:01] <Hobbsee> !exploit | threeseas
[05:01] <ubotu> threeseas: There are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[05:02] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: get to it.  you're in the REVU keyring already?
[05:02] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Should be.  Joined the group and asked for a sync on Friday.
[05:02] <Hobbsee> cool
[05:03] <tonyyarusso> This package must be up for another major release.  The latest stable tarball I found is from 2003, but there's SVN stuff marked as beta in 2006.
[05:03] <Hobbsee> fun
[05:03] <threeseas> I've already changed the port to 8001
[05:03] <Hobbsee> might be feisty+1 then
[05:04] <Hobbsee> cool, you're safe
[05:04] <Hobbsee> threeseas: you should be able to rejoin now
[05:04] <threeseas> thanks
[05:04] <Hobbsee> no problems
[05:21] <ubotu> In ubotu, HymnToLife said: no breezy is the third release of Ubuntu. Version 5.10, codename "Breezy Badger". Upgrading to !dapper : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DapperUpgrades
[05:21] <tonyyarusso> !breezy
[05:21] <ubotu> breezy was the third release of Ubuntu. Version 5.10, codename "Breezy Badger"
[05:22] <tonyyarusso> Probably makes sense?
[05:23] <ubotu> In ubotu, tonyyarusso said: no, breezy is the third release of Ubuntu. Version 5.10, codename "Breezy Badger".  Upgrading to !dapper : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DapperUpgrades
[05:23] <tonyyarusso> wait, erm
[05:23] <tonyyarusso> %login
[05:23] <tonyyarusso> cool
[05:23] <Hobbsee> !no, breezy is the third release of Ubuntu. Version 5.10, codename "Breezy Badger".  Upgrading to !dapper : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DapperUpgrades
[05:23] <ubotu> I'll remember that Hobbsee
[06:43] <Pete> anybody awake that might have some suggestions for getting a new ubuntu install network card working?
[06:56] <nixternal> argh, trolls in #kubuntu if anyone has nothing else to do
[07:25] <mneptok> I'm for the revolution's coming. I don't know where she's been. For those who dare, because it's there; I know, I've seen.
[09:31] <nalioth> ardchoille: you still about?
[09:31] <ardchoille> nalioth: Aye.
[09:33] <nalioth> ardchoille: have you ever seen what the exploit does to a channel with over a 1000 people in it who are all vulnerable to it?
[09:34] <ardchoille> nalioth: I realise the damage the exploit can do, and I am not denying that the ops need to take action. I just think there should be a better way to deal with it rather than the ops doubling the lines by kicking/banning those who are affected.
[09:34] <nalioth> i well understand that the ops can use the +bbbb host host host host technique
[09:34] <ardchoille> Perhaps including multiple kicks/bans on one line with -bbb nick1 nick2 nick3
[09:34] <ardchoille> Yeah
[09:35] <nalioth> i don't know when they started actively kicking people out after setting the bans, i personally do not think that is important
[09:35] <ardchoille> That last exploit in #ubuntu was 20 lines, but the ops added another 27 lines dealing with it
[09:35] <nalioth> yes, i read the scrollback
[09:36] <ardchoille> I'm just trying to keep the "noise" down a bit, from a user point of view.
[09:37] <ardchoille> nalioth: Is there a way for the freenode software to forward certain routers to a certain channel?
[09:37] <ardchoille> And have that channel moderated with a specific topic?
[09:37] <nalioth> ardchoille: i wish it were so easy
[09:38] <ardchoille> hehe
[09:38] <nalioth> how do you think freenode would find out if there were certain routers in use?
[09:38] <ardchoille> Just trying to think of a way to help.
[09:38] <ardchoille> I don't know, it was just an idea.
[09:38] <nalioth> HI and wlcome to freenode CDD ENDS BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA   and have a nice day if you are still here
[09:39] <nalioth> we do what we've found works.
[09:39] <nalioth> believe me, you've not seen anything until you see ~100 people just drop off the channel at once
[09:39] <nalioth> quite disturbing
[09:39] <ardchoille> Oh, I totally agree. But, there's nothing wrong with trying to find new ideas that may work better.
[09:39] <nalioth> and disruptive
[09:39] <nalioth> understood
[09:40] <ardchoille> Yes, I can see how that is disruptive. But, I don't think the ops need to further disrupt the channel by doubling the lines.
[09:40] <ardchoille> Just my opinion.
[09:40] <GazzaK> I've never seen that many, bet it scares the life out ya the first time?  or does it look like a netspilt?
[09:40] <nalioth> i think the ops in here can go with the +bbbb host host host host method and not kick the folks afterward. i personally see no reason to kick them, they'll either leave #ubuntu and not get back in or be exploited one last time
[09:41] <ardchoille> nalioth: Agreed.
[09:41] <ardchoille> GazzaK: Lots of users disconnect with "Read error: Connection reset blah"
[09:42] <GazzaK> actually with "blah", or with "by peer"?
[09:43] <ardchoille> nalioth: Is it possible to detect *how* the users left and then +b those?
[09:43] <ardchoille> GazzaK: by peer
[09:43] <nalioth> ardchoille: we use the Mk 1 Eyeball and our mental timepieces for that determination
[09:43] <ardchoille> hahaha
[09:43] <GazzaK> :-)
[09:44] <nalioth> not all leave the same way
[09:44] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[10:48] <ikonia_> Seveas are you available please
[10:48] <mneptok> ikonia_: what's up?
[10:48] <ikonia_> I was banned on Friday for 24 hours for the comment "you're too stupid to use ubuntu". However I've not been unbanned yet and its causing my partner a slight problem as it appears my hostmask is banned so she can't connect. I can get around this using a different host, but thats not really in the spirit of things, I'd rather resolve the issue than try to be sneaky around it
[10:48] <mneptok> sec.
[10:48] <mneptok> 04:48 -!- mode/#ubuntu [-b *!*@alesi.projecthugo.co.uk]  by mneptok
[10:48] <ikonia_> thank you
[10:48] <mneptok> and in te future, go burn a copy of the CoC when you get frustrated. we can't see that kinda thang. ;)
[10:49] <ikonia_> I've self signed up for the CoC "rules" thing ubuntoob or what ever its called
[10:49] <mneptok> suave.
[10:49] <mneptok> thanks
[10:50] <ikonia_> can't remember the correct term
[10:50] <mneptok> "sexilicious?"
[10:50] <ikonia_> I don't think that was the advertised program to sign up for.
[10:50] <ikonia_> but that one does sound of more interest
[10:51] <mneptok> please bring a clean towel and a change of underwear.
[10:52] <ikonia_> as a side issue, are you aware there are still a few "unfriendly" exit messages in the ubuntu BitchX build ?
[10:53] <mneptok> i am aware of it. what i find somewhat more alarming is that people still use bx.
[10:53] <ikonia_> fair enough, as long as you guys are aware of it
[10:54] <ikonia_> I don't have a problem with the client, its just a tad shocking when you leave and it pops an offensive message up. I thought they had all been removed in the ubuntu build, due to ubuntu's nature
[10:54] <mneptok> i'll tell fabbione about it. he uses bx (although FSM knows why)
[10:54] <mneptok> oho!
[10:54] <ikonia_> I've only seen too, it could just get people in a tad hot water when they leave if they don't know there are still a few bad ones in
[10:54] <mneptok> a bx user!
[10:55] <nalioth> irssi works
[10:55] <ikonia_> mneptok only on this client
[10:55] <mneptok> i hawe something you want. stand by.
[10:55] <ikonia_> ahhh I'm on a minimal gateway box, didn't have all the libs
[10:55] <mneptok> *have
[10:55] <ikonia_> this box isn't running ubuntu. But I'm interested in what you have
[10:55] <mneptok> http://www.holoweb.net/~liam/ftp/ankh.bx/ankh1-39bx.tgz
[10:56] <mneptok> that's a script by a friend that works for the W3C. he's a usability freak.
[10:56] <mneptok> that script makes bx *actually attractive*.
[10:56] <ikonia_> what is its purpose ?
[10:56] <ikonia_> ooooh, ok. I'm open to new things
[10:57] <mneptok> http://www.holoweb.net/~liam/bx/screenshot4.gif
[10:57] <ikonia_> got it. Thanks
[10:57] <mneptok> you'll either hate it, or refuse to use bx without it. *shrug*
[10:57] <ikonia_> still doesn't fix the resize issue ;)
[10:57] <mneptok> heheheh
[10:58] <ikonia_> happy to give new things a go. I don't use BitchX much any more, but the host I'm forced to connect to at the moment, BitchX is bar far the best option
[10:58] <nalioth> ikonia_: irssi doesn't work?
[10:58] <mneptok> VMS host?
[10:58] <mneptok> ;)
[10:58] <ikonia_> ha ha
[10:58] <ikonia_> not quite
[11:09] <ubotu> In ubotu, yaman said: what is the best messenger
[12:34] <GazzaK> arghhhh
[12:36] <Hobbsee> hrm?
[12:38] <Hobbsee> heya rob
[12:38] <Hobbsee> mneptok: ewww
[12:38] <rob> hi Hobbsee
[12:39] <GazzaK> hey funky chicken
[12:40] <Hobbsee> woo!  i'ts a mneptchicken!
[12:40] <mneptok> BAWK BAWK
[12:40] <GazzaK> chicken for dinner, yay
[12:43] <Hobbsee> excellent!
[12:44] <mneptok> it taste just like chicken!
[12:44] <mneptok> only one way to be sure, though ....
[12:45] <mneptok> BITE ME!
[12:46] <mneptok> BAWK BAWK!
[12:46] <GazzaK> ummmm, tastes like chicken
[12:46] <GazzaK> mneptok, you ain't right
[12:46] <mneptok> yeah, and you love it.
[12:46] <mneptok> so sit down and have a canape.
[12:47] <GazzaK> most blokes run a mile and either get agressive or defensive, you on the other hand....
[12:51] <elkbuntu> GazzaK, well that was silly. now you need to get yourself checked out for the bird flu
[12:52] <GazzaK> lol
[12:52] <elkbuntu> this one is a special bird flu though. it makes the chickens act like mad cows
[12:53] <Hobbsee> ugh
[01:05] <elkbuntu> hmph... i need a quick, succinct 'bio' about me (or more specifically, about my involvement with Ubuntu) to append to an article, but i suck at writing about myself...
[01:05] <Hobbsee> what article is this for?
[01:06] <elkbuntu> what do you mean by 'what is it for?' as in who or as in what about? i cant really say anything about the latter
[01:07] <Hobbsee> both.  the former
[01:08] <elkbuntu> OSTG. like i was telling you and karl at circular quay
[01:09] <elkbuntu> it's an article that is ubuntu related, so a disclosure of proximity would be a good move
[01:10] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[01:11] <elkbuntu> it means since the article is ubuntu related, and i, as an ubuntu member is the one writing it, that it should be made clear that i am involved in the project as a whole
[01:12] <elkbuntu> as opposed to writing it an hoping nobody notices
[01:12] <Hobbsee> gotcha
[01:43] <gnomefreak> i see ken is acting up again :(
[01:43] <gnomefreak> he was being good for a while
[01:44] <ikonia_> he was the one I got in trouble calling too stupid to use ubuntu
[01:44] <Hobbsee> !offtopic
[01:44] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[01:45] <gnomefreak> ikonia_: i believe that was someone else atleast different nick maybe same guy though
[01:45] <gnomefreak> if you mean a couple days ago
[01:46] <ikonia_> his username / nick was the same guy
[01:46] <ikonia_> but yes I meant on Friday
[01:46] <kenthomson> Hmm...?
[01:46] <Hobbsee> kenthomson: right.  for all intents and purposes, #ubuntu-offtopic is where all random chatter, including OS talk, which is not #ubuntu support, is to go, okay?
[01:47] <Hobbsee> havent you seen how busy it is in there?
[01:47] <kenthomson> right!
[01:47] <Hobbsee> you've been warned.
[01:47] <Hobbsee> thankyou :)
[01:47] <kenthomson> :)
[01:48] <kenthomson> Common sense is only common to people who have done-repeatedly done that particular thing in the past
[01:48] <kenthomson> besides its not common sense for a tribal to look for food in the fridge if he gets hungry
[01:49] <gnomefreak> its in the topic :)
[01:49] <Hobbsee> people dont read topics, entry notices, etc.
[01:50] <kenthomson> Moreover, common sense is layer upon layer of strong opinions that have been fed to you since childhood, and which at present occupy such a deep position in your mind subconscious mind, that you can't think out of the domain of it. You are infact a prisoner of your common sense, which is nothing but strongly-densely compacted layers of prejudice that are so deeply ingrained in your brain, that you can't question their credibility. Read Theory of Kn
[01:50] <kenthomson> owledge to know better
[01:50] <Hobbsee> dunno why - i mean, it might actually *help* them in getting what they want...
[01:50] <kenthomson> And this is not pasting :)
[01:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> kenthomson, its verry deep, but off topic ;P
[01:52] <kenthomson> Finally, i was thinking that i was in a graveyard without a soul in site
[01:52] <Hobbsee> then again, if i dont use common sense, i'm likely to do something stupid
[01:53] <Hobbsee> i believe it's called "thinking outside the box" - i'ts a skill, and it's possible
[01:53] <kenthomson> Hobbsee, you see, you are not able to think out of the domain of certain thoughts that you like to call common sense, when you say "if i dont use common sense..."
[01:54] <Hobbsee> then you just go into what's real, and what's imagination.
[01:54] <Hobbsee> depends on the relationship between common sense and logic
[01:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> ikonia_, its that common sense thing at work...
[01:54] <kenthomson> Hobbsee, "thinking outside the box" refers to higher cognitive functions of the human brain that require focused attention and Random associations to produce something innovative, and "common sense"-as you like to term it, refers to lower brain functions, as-in derive from pure experience as in-the effects of gravity
[01:55] <Hobbsee> see, you could theoretically get rid of common sense...but does that mean that you throw out logic as well?  if you throw out logic, you never come to any conclusions, and therefore die very quickly.
[01:55] <ikonia_> please kill me
[01:55] <Hobbsee> ikonia_: heh, yes
[01:55] <Hobbsee> kenthomson: anyway, #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> ikonia_, i would, but i'm not an op ;)
[01:55] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> showoff :P
[01:56] <ikonia_> I don't know the emote for the finger
[01:56] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:56] <kenthomson> hoa!
[01:56] <Hobbsee> [23:55]  *** You have kicked ikonia_ from the channel (: nope, cant kill you sorry - can kick you though!).
[01:56] <Hobbsee> if you didnt see
[01:56] <ikonia_> Hobbsee not quite the same - although it did put me out of that conversation for a moment, which was a blessing
[01:56] <ikonia_> so I'm still greatful
[01:56] <Hobbsee> ikonia_: i could kickban too, if you prefer?  :P
[01:57] <kenthomson> Hobbsee, is there somthing like kick -r <nick>
[01:57] <ikonia_> not sure thats the route I'm looking for
[01:57] <Hobbsee> depends what -r is for
[01:57] <kenthomson> r=recursive
[01:57] <Hobbsee> ikonia_: right.  there's remove too
[01:57] <kenthomson> and i though i was talking to a ubuntu mod! :)
[01:57] <kenthomson> *thought
[01:57] <Hobbsee> your -r isnt necessarily a part of freenode syntax - it could mean anything
[01:57] <Hobbsee> as in, kicking multiple people?
[01:59] <kenthomson> kick person repeatedly only if another occurence/instance of the object of his corporeal/ethereal self is detected in the freenode servers :)
[02:00] <Hobbsee> ah yeah.
[02:00] <Hobbsee> oh wait, there are 2 ways
[02:01] <Hobbsee> there's something in chanserv, and if you keep banforwarding to the same channel, or an alias of the same channel, then it just gives up after 3 times
[02:02] <Hobbsee> and there was peace and quiet
[02:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> or was there... :)
[02:03] <Hobbsee> seems that #ubuntu-read-topic does *not* forward here
[02:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> wouldnt that make the channels existance moot?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> good point
[02:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> mmm
[02:06] <Hobbsee> bah.  troll
[02:06] <Hobbsee> [Tue Feb 20 2007]  [00:02:30]  <kenthomson> and is this a way, you treat a fellow member?
[02:06] <Hobbsee> [Tue Feb 20 2007]  [00:02:45]  <Hobbsee> oh darn, that didnt work
[02:06] <Hobbsee> [Tue Feb 20 2007]  [00:03:12]  <kenthomson> You said this="Hobbsee wonders how one kicks recursively...kick person, kick yourself...", so i responded accordingly, and got kicked, or am i a guinea pig for your fantasies?
[02:06] <Hobbsee> [Tue Feb 20 2007]  [00:03:25]  <Hobbsee> no, i was showing you it was possible
[02:06] <Hobbsee> [Tue Feb 20 2007]  [00:03:27]  <Hobbsee> seeing as you asked
[02:06] <Hobbsee> [Tue Feb 20 2007]  [00:04:53]  <Hobbsee> anyway, right now, i'm going to bed.  i'm not into arguing with you, and you havent chosen to go to #ubuntu-offtopic as requested, to discuss the matters which you want to discuss
[02:06] <Hobbsee> [Tue Feb 20 2007]  [00:05:50]  <kenthomson> Alright! Being kicked around in the LInux world maybe increases your immunity to "more uglier CLI", so i talk it as that, and choose to leave
[02:06] <Hobbsee> [Tue Feb 20 2007]  [00:05:50]  <kenthomson> &taje
[02:06] <Hobbsee> [Tue Feb 20 2007]  [00:05:50]  <kenthomson> *take
[02:13] <ikonia_> what happened to Ken ?
[02:13] <LongPointyStick> he left
[02:13] <ikonia_> I saw hobbes post a load of conversation
[03:36] <PriceChild> SportChick, you around?
[03:36] <SportChick> yes sort of
[03:36] <ikonia_> naughty person dccing code around
[03:36] <SportChick> in hospital, but checking messages
[03:36] <SportChick> @ PriceChild
[03:37] <PriceChild> ikonia_, as in <Ben_Sprinkle>/<SalesChild> ?
[03:37] <ikonia_> saleschild yes
[03:37] <PriceChild> Ah ok
[03:37] <PriceChild> sorry SportChick just thought I knew that person...
[03:37] <PriceChild> SportChick, was a bit miffed at how he got klined :)
[03:37] <PriceChild> ikonia_, pm?
[03:37] <ikonia_> he was trying to send me naughty code
[03:37] <ikonia_> yeah certainly
[03:37] <ikonia_> ooho hang on
[03:38] <ikonia_> I'm not a registered nick ans my nick is loggied in at home
[03:38] <ikonia_> PriceChild did you get my message as my temp nick isn't registered
[03:38] <SportChick> PriceChild: not sure but I think he was autoklined
[03:38] <PriceChild> yeah
[03:38] <PriceChild> I accept all pms ikonia_ :)
[03:38] <PriceChild> Thanks SportChick :)
[04:17] <effie_jayx> Hey
[04:17] <effie_jayx> I need help
[04:17] <effie_jayx> I am giving a talk in ubuntu-ve and some trolls just came in
[04:17] <effie_jayx> some debianita trolls
[04:17] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: are you on feisty?
[04:17] <effie_jayx> I reallly need help
[04:17] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, yeah? pm?
[04:17] <effie_jayx> they are on #ubuntu-ve-clase
[04:18] <gnomefreak> k
[04:18] <effie_jayx> they are bureado and sortadi
[04:18] <PriceChild> effie_jayx, In what way do you need help? You've got ops and Most of us don't speak the language...
[04:19] <effie_jayx> golem and zamuro
[04:19] <effie_jayx> just make a wrning sign or something
[04:19] <effie_jayx> they are picking on us
[04:19] <effie_jayx> for using ubuntu
[04:20] <PriceChild> Is there anyone else around that speaks the language?
[04:20] <effie_jayx> me
[04:20] <gnomefreak> not me
[04:20] <effie_jayx> and carlitos-ve
[04:20] <PriceChild> I meant as in ops here...
[04:20] <gnomefreak> i wouls say just kick them if they are trolling
[04:21] <PriceChild> +1
[04:21] <PriceChild> Its your talk
[04:21] <gnomefreak> or call for the !ops in that channel
[04:21] <effie_jayx> alfie_gayx sigui con la charla
[04:21] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, its unregistered
[04:21] <gnomefreak> charla is stupid?
[04:22] <gnomefreak> #ubuntu-ve is unreggistered?
[04:23] <gnomefreak> seeing as it just made official loco team i would register it
[04:24] <gnomefreak> #ubuntu-ve is registered and effie_jayx is the contact so he should be level 30
[04:24] <effie_jayx> I am
[04:24] <effie_jayx> I wiil kick em
[04:24] <gnomefreak> ban too IMHO
[04:26] <effie_jayx> gnomefreak,  how do I register that channel
[04:27] <effie_jayx> #ubuntu-ve-clase
[04:27] <gnomefreak> effie_jayx: /msg chanserv register help   i cant remember the exact cs command :(
[04:28] <gnomefreak> effie_jayx: i think it s/msg chanserv register #ubuntu-ve-clase
[04:28] <gnomefreak> but dont remember exact command
[04:29] <gnomefreak> effie_jayx: !staff might be of more help
[04:29] <effie_jayx> something happened to mark on that channel
[04:29] <effie_jayx> sabdfl that is
[04:30] <PriceChild> /cs register #ubuntu-ve-clase some_password
[04:30] <gnomefreak> wth is going on here :(
[04:30] <effie_jayx> i did
[04:31] <effie_jayx> mark left ...
[04:31] <effie_jayx> sabdfl (n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl) ha abandonado #launchpad
[04:31] <effie_jayx> some one
[04:31] <effie_jayx> the nick is sortadi
[04:31] <effie_jayx> hey guy keeps trolling me
[04:31] <effie_jayx> i have already banned him
[04:44] <effie_jayx> :S
[04:44] <effie_jayx> so disapointing
[04:44] <effie_jayx> should have been more malicious about this talk
[04:47] <effie_jayx> !staff
[04:47] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob or SportChick! I could use a bit of your time :)
[04:52] <effie_jayx> there is a guy using mark's nick name
[04:52] <PriceChild> (1 not l)
[04:53] <effie_jayx> yeah
[04:54] <effie_jayx> PriceChild,  I want to close down the channel now
[04:54] <effie_jayx> there is no need for #ubuntu-ve-clase
[04:54] <PriceChild> register it then redirect it to #ubuntu-ve
[04:56] <effie_jayx> how do I redirect
[04:56] <effie_jayx> it is regitered
[04:58] <PriceChild> I can't remember sorry :s
[04:58] <PriceChild> but you might as well +m and tell people to go to main channel
[04:58] <PriceChild> I'll figure it out one second..
[04:59] <PriceChild> got it
[05:01] <SportChick> effie_jayx: mark? did he get his nick bck?
[05:01] <SportChick> back*
[05:01] <PriceChild> SportChick, it was a 1 instead of an l
[05:02] <effie_jayx> no
[05:02] <LjL> register it as secondary and kill them if they do
[05:02] <effie_jayx> SportChick,  it was horrible
[05:02] <effie_jayx> I need help filing a report of what happened
[05:02] <PriceChild> LjL, I have ;)
[05:03] <effie_jayx> I want to teach a lesson here
[05:03] <PriceChild> Hope you get things sorted effie_jayx, bye :)
[05:03] <SportChick> effie_jayx: send an email to staff@freenode.net with an explanation & logs
[05:04] <GazzaK> PriceChild, did you figure out forwarding?
[05:04] <PriceChild> GazzaK, yeah
[05:04] <effie_jayx> Seeker`,  they are in spanish :S
[05:04] <effie_jayx> SportChick,  they are in spanish
[05:04] <GazzaK> PriceChild, tell me how then :-)
[05:04] <PriceChild> GazzaK, I thought I did... ;)
[05:04] <effie_jayx> so I might have to translate it
[05:05] <SportChick> effie_jayx: we have spanish-speakers on staff
[05:05] <SportChick> but a rough translation might speed up the process
[05:06] <effie_jayx> SportChick,  I wil translate
[05:06] <effie_jayx> :(
[05:06] <SportChick> effie_jayx: so as I understand, MarkL was being impersonated by a mark1 (one)?
[05:07] <effie_jayx> si
[05:07] <effie_jayx> it was actually
[05:07] <effie_jayx> sabdf1 instead of sabdfl
[05:08] <effie_jayx> debianitas trolls came in and satrted asking bogus questions about the talk I was giving
[05:08] <effie_jayx> on LoCo teams
[05:08] <SportChick> ahhh
[05:08] <SportChick> yes, I think given the circumstances, an email would be best
[05:09] <effie_jayx> really trashed the channel
[05:09] <effie_jayx> :(
[05:11] <SportChick> effie_jayx: I'm sorry :( I've given the other staff a heads up to look for your email
[05:12] <GazzaK> people can be so annoying
[05:12] <effie_jayx> SportChick,  ok: :S
[05:12] <GazzaK> I hate the way a couple, or even one saddo can ruin a serious channel
[05:12] <SportChick> I am, unfortunately, not in a position to do much atm - I'm in hospital..just saw your call for staff when I checked in for messgaes
[05:13] <effie_jayx> SportChick,  no problem
[05:13] <effie_jayx> SportChick,  I will file the email...
[05:13] <SportChick> ty effie_jayx
[05:15] <effie_jayx> no no no SportChick  thank you...
[05:24] <effie_jayx> ok
[05:24] <effie_jayx> I have a guy doing evasive banning
[05:24] <effie_jayx> nalioth,  I really need you help
[05:24] <effie_jayx> :(
[05:24] <effie_jayx> Seveas,  are you around
[05:25] <effie_jayx> nixternal, you perhaps?
[05:27] <nixternal> I am here
[05:27] <effie_jayx> I need help
[05:27] <nixternal> ahh, I can't do anything though, sorry
[05:27] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  ok
[05:27] <effie_jayx> :(
[05:27] <effie_jayx> I have a recurring troll
[05:27] <nixternal> I am on the team, just no powah
[05:27] <nixternal> effie_jayx: what channel are you having issues with?
[05:27] <effie_jayx> #ubuntu-ve
[05:28] <nixternal> ya, I definitely can't help there
[05:28] <nixternal> sorry :(
[05:29] <effie_jayx> LjL,  can yo help
[05:29] <effie_jayx> I need help with a troll in the chanel
[05:29] <LjL> what with
[05:29] <LjL> ban them?
[05:29] <LjL> which channel, anyway? es?
[05:34] <effie_jayx> LjL,  #ubuntu-ve
[05:34] <effie_jayx> hey are doing evasive banning
[05:35] <LjL> effie_jayx: if there's enough changes in the "evasion", there's little one can do, besides banning each instances
[05:35] <effie_jayx> I did
[05:35] <effie_jayx> and he got tired
[05:35] <effie_jayx> he pm me
[05:35] <effie_jayx> and started trash talking even more...
[05:36] <LjL> use /silence for that
[05:36] <LjL> even if a staffer were here, i suppose they couldn't care less about k-lines if they're connecting from proxies
[05:43] <effie_jayx> ok
[05:43] <effie_jayx> I wil silence :D
[05:44] <effie_jayx> LjL,  thank you... very helpful
[05:51] <GazzaK> where is -ve then?
[06:14] <gnomefreak> veneswilia
[06:14] <gnomefreak> only spelled right
[06:14] <gnomefreak> central/south america
[06:14] <gnomefreak> Seveas: can you enable @schedule in #ubuntu-mozillateam?
[06:29] <PriceChild> How's it going effie_jayx ?
[06:30] <effie_jayx> I have another talk in 30 minutes
[06:31] <PriceChild> #ubuntu-ve?
[06:47] <gnomefreak> wtf
[06:48] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, cgriirc's from #ubuntu are forwarded here
[06:48] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, obviously for good reason judging by this guy's join/parts ;)
[06:48] <gnomefreak> same person joining and quiting
[06:48] <gnomefreak> lol
[07:01] <JanPrax> Umm... Topic says support is in #ubuntu, but that room forwards here... little confused
[07:02] <PriceChild> JanPrax, You're using cgi-irc which is blocked in #ubuntu
[07:02] <JanPrax> ahh. Stupid firewalls at my office block regular IRC
[07:02] <PriceChild> !tor
[07:02] <ubotu> The #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer.
[07:02] <ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[07:03] <PriceChild> I reccomend getting yourself a cloak or ssh tunneling somewhere
[07:04] <JanPrax> Good idea.
[07:04] <JanPrax> Thanks Price
[07:07] <Seveas> gnomefreak, sure
[07:07] <gnomefreak> ty Seveas
[07:07] <Seveas> @config channel #ubuntu-meeting plugins.webcal.url
[07:07] <Ubugtu> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/ical
[07:07] <effie_jayx> Seveas,  I need help
[07:07] <Seveas> @config channel #ubuntu-mozillateam plugins.webcal.url http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/ical
[07:07] <Seveas> effie_jayx, with what?
[07:19] <effie_jayx> Seveas,  in a little while :D
[08:04] <PriceChild> !tor > bjoern__1 (Please see the pm from ubotu)
[08:17] <Nitrogen> can someone help me, I have a GRUB Question
[08:17] <Nitrogen> IS there anyone there?
[08:17] <PriceChild> Nitrogen, #ubuntu for support please... although let me check why you've arrived here
[08:19] <PriceChild> @btlogin
[08:22] <PriceChild> Seveas, https://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/ is down?
[08:22] <Seveas> PriceChild, it was for a sceond
[08:22] <Seveas> restarted apache
[08:22] <PriceChild> I still can't get on...
[08:23] <Seveas> hit stop and refresh
[08:23] <PriceChild> I've cleared cache
[08:23] <PriceChild> and refreshed
[08:23] <PriceChild> ctrl+f5 etc.
[08:23] <Seveas> wfm
[08:23] <PriceChild> ubuntu-nl.org is fine
[08:44] <ikonia> any chance someone could step in and stop the users quinten and rio name calling
[08:44] <Seveas> PriceChild, it is but apache is playing up
[08:44] <PriceChild> Hehe :)
[08:44] <Seveas> anybody here an apache guru?
[08:45] <PriceChild> I'm sure you'll fix it :)
[08:45] <ikonia> Seveas: I maybe able to help a little
[08:45] <ikonia> I've done reasonable work with it
[08:45] <Seveas> PriceChild, I'm not :/
[08:46] <PriceChild> shock horror :O
[08:46] <ikonia> Seveas: explain breifly and I'll see if I know enough
[08:46] <Seveas> ikonia, basically my browser keeps displaying 'Connecting to ...' for far too long, as well as 'waiting for...'
[08:46] <Seveas> first I expected reverse dns to be slow but it's not
[08:46] <ikonia> so apache is taking a long time to respond
[08:47] <Seveas> yeah
[08:47] <ikonia> Seveas: have you tailed the access log on apache to see if its the processing or the initial connection to see whats slow
[08:47] <PriceChild> On my screen it flat out fails... doesn't wait at all
[08:47] <ikonia> eg: you hit "go" does it get the hit then take ages to display - or does it take ages to get the hit
[08:48] <PriceChild> Ah no now its starting to take ages
[08:48] <Seveas> ikonia, the hit takes ages to display now
[08:48] <Seveas> in the logs as well
[08:48] <Seveas> that's why I thought reverse dns on the server was broken
[08:48] <ikonia> if you telnet to the server on 80 and just do a get how quick is it to respond
[08:49] <PriceChild> woooo I'm in...
[08:49] <PriceChild> all is good now Seveas
[08:49] <ikonia> its just started working a full pace ?
[08:49] <Seveas> no
[08:49] <Seveas> his request just was seen
[08:50] <Seveas> it's taking f*ing ages still
[08:50] <ikonia> which server is it (am I allowed to ask ?)
[08:50] <Amaranth> restart :)
[08:50] <Seveas> Amaranth, did that
[08:50] <Seveas> ikonia, www.ubuntu-nl.org
[08:51] <ikonia> ok - here is an interesting symptom. if I telnet to port 80 on it, the apahce process takes the connection straight away - if I do a get it takes AGES to render the page
[08:51] <ikonia> anything in the error log ?
[08:52] <Seveas> ikonia, nothing interesting
[08:52] <Seveas> I disabled ipv6 now, rebooting server (can't modprobe -r it)
[08:52] <Seveas> bots will be down
[08:52] <ikonia> go for it
[08:52] <Seveas> (and back automatically after reboot)
[08:53] <PriceChild> Seveas, any chance of ghosting ubotu quickly?
[08:53] <LjL> reboot? wow
[08:53] <LjL> 14 seconds reboot
[08:53] <Seveas> PriceChild, ghosting?
[08:53] <Seveas> server is back on line
[08:53] <PriceChild> Seveas, someone nick'd it in #ubuntuforums :(
[08:53] <LjL> ah, right
[08:54] <Amaranth> moron moron took the nick
[08:54] <LjL> so it wasn't a 14 seconds reboot
[08:54] <LjL> it did look a *bit* too fast...
[08:54] <ikonia> its back
[08:54] <apokryphos> supybots are meant to automatically ghost
[08:54] <ikonia> apache responded quick
[08:54] <Seveas> yeah
[08:54] <apokryphos> as least my one does
[08:54] <Seveas> supybots ghost
[08:54] <PriceChild> apokryphos, yeah but its always fun done yourself :P
[08:54] <ikonia> much faster response
[08:55] <Seveas> nope, server is still dog slow
[08:56] <Seveas> what the fuck is apache doing?
[08:56] <ikonia> yup gone very slow
[08:56] <ikonia> hang on -
[08:56] <apokryphos> honestly, I think we can very easily get a shiny free server especially for ubotu from Canonical ;-)
[08:57] <ikonia> Seveas: can you see me in the error log , I've just requested "indes.html"
[08:58] <ikonia> wow - its running REALLY slow
[09:02] <ikonia> now it seems super fast
[09:02] <Seveas> i reduced the number of spare servers in apache2.conf and restarted it
[09:02] <Seveas> seems to work
[09:02] <ikonia> thats a massive change
[09:02] <Seveas> ah, there we fucking go again
[09:02] <ikonia> but unless your shy on memory that shouldn't make a difference
[09:03] <ikonia> yup, super slow
[09:03] <Seveas> wtf is this
[09:04] <ikonia> Seveas: I assume your fine on memory
[09:04] <Seveas> i am
[09:04] <Seveas> and more than enough b/w to spare
[09:04] <ikonia> yeah, it doesn't behave like BW problems
[09:05] <ikonia> now its quick again
[09:05] <ikonia> how strange
[09:05] <PriceChild> Not the bots affecting it by any chance?
[09:05] <Seveas> it behaves like router problems at the colo provider
[09:06] <ikonia> Seveas: is there any load balancing
[09:06] <ikonia> or vips
[09:06] <Seveas> no
[09:06] <Seveas> vip?
[09:06] <Seveas> as in virtual ip?
[09:06] <ikonia> virtual ip
[09:06] <ikonia> yeah
[09:07] <Seveas> yup, 3 ips on one nic
[09:07] <ikonia> but thats nothing to do with load balancing
[09:07] <Seveas> no
[09:07] <ikonia> just standard vips
[09:07] <Seveas> ah feck
[09:07] <Seveas> hotsanic has been dead for a month
[09:07] <ikonia> hotsanic ?
[09:08] <Seveas> monitoring software
[09:08] <ikonia> ah
[09:09] <LjL> why does that sound like it were an anagram of "satanic"
[10:08] <ubuntu74> need help
[10:08] <ubuntu74> A have ubuntu base
[10:08] <ubuntu74> how to install gnome desktop
[10:09] <Seeker`> ubuntu74:
[10:09] <Seeker`> ubuntu74: #ubuntu is the support channel, but i dont think you can join there if you are connected through a  gateway
[10:10] <ubuntu74> k
[10:12] <PriceChild> !tor > ubuntu74
[10:14] <nalioth> PriceChild: um, he's not using tor.
[10:14] <PriceChild> nalioth, but the facoid mentions cgi::irc
[10:15] <PriceChild> and there's nothing specific to cgi::irc is there?
[10:15] <Seveas> !proxy is <alias> tor
[10:15] <PriceChild> I could make one...
[10:15] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, Seveas said: !proxy is <alias> tor
[10:15] <Seveas> @login
[10:15] <Seveas> !proxy is <alias> tor
[10:15] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, Seveas said: !proxy is <alias> tor
[10:15] <Seveas> %login
[10:15] <Seveas> !proxy is <alias> tor
[10:15] <ubotu> Factoid 'tor' does not exist
[10:15] <Seveas> hmm
[10:15] <Seveas> !-tor
[10:15] <ubotu> tor-#ubuntu-ops has no aliases - added by ompaul on 2006-08-01 15:49:28
[10:15] <ubotu> tor-#ubuntu-ops-also has no aliases - added by Seveas on 2006-08-18 23:36:27
[10:15] <PriceChild> tor-#ubuntu-ops
[10:15] <Seveas> !proxy is <alias> tor-#ubuntu-ops
[10:15] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Seveas
[10:15] <Seveas> !proy
[10:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about proy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:15] <Seveas> !proxy
[10:15] <ubotu> The #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer.
[10:16] <Seveas> !proxy-also is <alias> tor-#ubuntu-ops-also
[10:16] <Seveas> woo
[10:16] <Seveas> !proxy
[10:16] <ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[10:16] <Seveas> ok.bot broken
[10:16] <PriceChild> not so woo :(
[10:16] <nalioth> quite.
[10:16] <PriceChild> hehe :)
[10:16] <PriceChild> Seveas, you're rubbish today! :)
[10:16] <Seveas> LALALALALALALLALALALICANTHEARYOULALALALALLALALA
[10:17] <ompaul> PriceChild, and tomorrow you will feel his wrath
[10:17] <Seveas> tomorrow?
[10:18] <Seveas> wb
[10:18] <PriceChild> Thankyou :)
[10:18] <PriceChild> You can come back to forums now :P
[10:19] <PriceChild> grr... you weren't removed...
[10:19] <PriceChild> I could swear your script used to kickban people on a /cs b nick......
[10:19] <PriceChild> now it just seems to ban but not remove.... Is this maybe a feisty issue?
[10:19] <Seveas> PriceChild, kb
[10:19] <Seveas> b is ban
[10:20] <PriceChild> It wasn't always like that was it?
[10:20] <PriceChild> Am I going mad? :)
[10:20] <Seveas> you are
[10:20] <PriceChild> :(
[10:20] <Seveas> it always was like that
[10:20] <PriceChild> hehe ok
[10:33] <nalioth> way too much kick banning going on
[10:34] <GazzaK> yeah, I wish there were silent bans
[10:34] <Amaranth> %whoami
[10:34] <ubotu> Amaranth
[10:34] <Amaranth> !test is foo
[10:35] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, Amaranth said: !test is foo
[10:35] <Amaranth> really? still no access? :(
[10:35] <PriceChild> Amaranth, have you used login?
[10:35] <Amaranth> it knows who am i...
[10:35] <Amaranth> err, who i am
[10:36] <nalioth> Amaranth: seveas changed up a lot of stuff, didn't you get the email?
[10:36] <Amaranth> yeah, i got it
[10:36] <Amaranth> i don't have to login to be identified
[10:55] <LjL> ftr, i'm going to the alps tomorrow. i have a computer, but dialup is expensive, so i guess i won't be online very much until next monday
[10:57] <tsmithe> lucky you :'(
[10:57] <tsmithe> skiing?
[10:58] <LjL> hopefully
[10:58] <LjL> not very much snow around i'm afraid
[10:59] <GazzaK> be careful then, no broken bones please
[10:59] <GazzaK> but have fun :-)
[11:00] <LjL> i'll try :P i'm more afraid of the other skiers than of myself though, tbh. and if there isn't snow... well, i have my Amiga there, i'll play winter games :P
[11:00] <PriceChild> lol
[11:00] <tsmithe> i'm green, green i say, with envy
[11:02] <LjL> well i live close to the mountains... if i want to go to the seaside, for instance, i have to go hundreds of kilometers. nobody can have everything :P
[11:04] <LjL> what's for sure is that, skiing or not, this city gets oppressive after a while
[11:12] <GazzaK> I live close to the coast, shame it's full of east london types in the summer, otherwise it'd be nice
[11:37] <tonyyarusso> I live in the middle of a continent.  A flat continent.  It's a couple thousand miles to mountains and a few thousand to sea :P
[11:37] <tonyyarusso> But we have lakes, so pbbtth!
[11:42] <GazzaK> lakes, nah, they are puddles
[11:46] <tonyyarusso> GazzaK: Maybe if you're from Texas or some other silly place.
[11:47] <tsmithe> he quit ;)
[11:47] <tsmithe> and he's from england :P
[11:47] <effie_jayx> tsmithe,  some fight today huh?
[11:47] <effie_jayx> :D
[11:48] <tsmithe> yeah :P
[11:48] <effie_jayx> I feel relaxed now..
[11:48] <tsmithe> phew!
[11:48] <tsmithe> did it go ok?
[11:48] <effie_jayx> yes
[11:48] <tsmithe> good
[11:48] <effie_jayx> it went rather smooth
[11:48] <tsmithe> cool!
[11:49] <tsmithe> not expecting it to be smooth, eh?
[11:49] <effie_jayx> not at all
[11:50] <tsmithe> :P
[12:17] <PriceChild> :)
[12:17] <tsmithe> noooo! i thought i was safe!
[12:17] <Hobbsee> you're never safe.
[12:24] <effie_jayx> Hobbsee,  :P