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Hobbseekpowersave 0.7.2 is now out01:06
Hobbsee!info kpowersave feisty01:06
ubotukpowersave: frontend to powersave for setting user specific policies. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.2-5ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 3222 kB, installed size 4984 kB01:06
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ajmitchHobbsee: why ouch?01:18
Hobbseeajmitch: that it's so far out of date01:18
ajmitchand whose fault is that?01:19
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=== Hobbsee blames Tonio_
ajmitchmight as well blame Tonio_01:19
Tonio_Hobbsee: :'(01:19
ajmitchsince it's not my fault01:19
Tonio_ajmitch: :'(01:20
Tonio_Hobbsee, ajmitch: what's the point ?01:20
jjesseor morning for some :)01:21
=== Hobbsee hugs Tonio_ :)
Tonio_Hobbsee: you have to know something about me01:21
Tonio_Hobbsee: I'm a paranoid !!!01:21
Tonio_never do that again please ! :)01:21
Hobbseeawwww, okay01:21
HobbseeTonio_: why, was it you who didnt upgrade kpowersave?01:22
Hobbseehi jjesse01:22
Tonio_Hobbsee: I never packaged/maintained kpowersave01:22
Tonio_Hobbsee: it is usually luka01:22
Hobbseei know :)01:22
jjessehiya Hobbsee01:23
Tonio_I'll have a look at that but 2 things :01:25
Tonio_that requirs ufv exception01:25
Tonio_I'll do it after I fixed that kdesktop ignoring translations issue01:25
Tonio_that's my todo first absolute priority.... we have that issue since 6 month at least...01:25
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HobbseeTonio_: i realise that.  i'll probably look later, if you want01:32
Hobbseefix the important stuff first01:32
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alleeTonio_: I've merged your kipi-plugins ubuntu changes in alioth.  No so merge in the future anymore.01:34
Tonio_allee: superb ;)01:36
Tonio_allee: are you using debian on one of your machines ?01:36
Tonio_allee: I'm tracking a bug and need infos eventually :)01:36
alleeTonio_: no ;)01:36
Tonio_alle :(01:36
Tonio_damn ;)01:36
alleeTonio_: I expect that my DD sponsor gives it at least a try on debian before uploading01:37
alleeTonio_: which problem?01:37
Tonio_allee: I'd like to know if kdesktop ignores locales on debian01:38
Tonio_allee: simple way to test :01:38
Tonio_right click on the desktop -> cut/copy/paste options are in english whatever is your locale set to01:38
Tonio_allee: I don't see anything on kubuntu that changes this, and the bug doesn't occur with opensuse01:38
Tonio_allee: I suspect debian but I need to know if that bugs on debian too :)01:39
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Tonio_allee: thanks :)01:39
alleeTonio_: I've upgrading etch right now.  But why didn't you ask on #debian-qt-kde   @irc.debian.rog  ?01:51
alleeTonio_: I've sure they are a debian installation at hand ;)01:51
Tonio_allee: will do :)01:53
Tonio_allee: the issue is not specificly translations in fact, more settings related problem01:53
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alleeTonio_: you mean 'Undo' and 'Paste URL'  RMB item?02:03
alleeTonio_: they are in german in my etch test system02:03
Tonio_allee: okay so that's kubuntu specific bug...02:04
Tonio_allee: have 3.5.5 at least ?02:04
alleeTonio_: kdebase is 3.5.5a.dsfg.1-602:05
Tonio_okay :)02:05
Tonio_would be interesting to build debian version and test on kubuntu02:05
Tonio_allee: if you create a folder on the desktop and then rightclick/properties on it02:07
Tonio_is the property window in english or german ?02:07
Tonio_allee: english on kubuntu02:07
alleeTonio_: the RMB is in german as well as the properties dialog02:08
Tonio_allee: weird....02:09
Tonio_allee: and on a kubuntu box ? just to be sure I'm not in front of a pure french language problem....02:09
alleeTonio_: i've to reboot test laptop into feisty.  AFAIR I used german there...02:10
Tonio_allee: hehe, sorry for bugging you with this :)02:10
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alleeTonio_: kubuntu+german has the translation problem too :(02:15
Tonio_allee: okay so that's a general kubuntu issue....02:15
Tonio_allee: btw it looks like kdesktop ignores translations somehow02:16
alleeTonio_: but most of RMB menu item are translated02:16
Tonio_allee: yes just a little part misses..... that's weird02:18
Tonio_allee: there is a unique string for this, it is in kdelibs02:18
Tonio_allee: the weird thing is that the exact same context menu is nice in konqueror ~/home/Desktop02:18
Tonio_allee: that's why I think the issue is in kdesktop code somehow02:19
alleeTonio_: does kdesktop load the kdelibs catalog?02:20
Tonio_allee: it loads kconfig, klocate etc....02:20
Tonio_allee: which "catalog"02:20
alleeTonio_: I only remember that the method to load a translation has the string catalog in it's name (ignore case)02:21
Tonio_allee: let me look02:23
Tonio_./desktop.cc:  KGlobal::locale()->insertCatalogue("kdesktop");02:24
Tonio_./desktop.cc:  KGlobal::locale()->insertCatalogue("libkonq"); // needed for apps using libkonq02:24
Tonio_./desktop.cc:  KGlobal::locale()->insertCatalogue("libdmctl");02:24
Tonio_I can compare to what konqueror loads02:24
Tonio_allee: but I'll need to understand why it works for debian :)02:24
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Tonio_./konq_main.cc:  KGlobal::locale()->insertCatalogue("libkonq"); // needed for apps using libkonq02:25
Tonio_allee: :'(02:25
Tonio_allee: btw it looks more like an "env" kind of issue02:26
jjessemmm fresh coffee02:26
alleeTonio_: I've already tried: KDE_LANG=de  kdesktop  # <- still untranslated string :(02:27
Tonio_allee: looks like kdesktop ignores translations for specific things02:27
Tonio_allee: the mo files used are the same than for konqueror, there shouldn't be any difference02:28
Tonio_allee: we can try to patch to load the catalog on ./kdiconview.cc:    connect( this, SIGNAL( contextMenuRequested(QIconViewItem*, const QPoint&)),02:28
yuriyTonio_: are you using 2 different keyboard layouts?02:28
Tonio_yuriy: no02:29
yuriyoh ok, mine are broken-ish02:29
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yuriychanges only apply to newly started applications. was working fine on friday.02:30
Tonio_yuriy: hum strange.....02:32
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alleeyuriy: I can confirm this.  But I'm really confused. I always thought that's an xserver wide setting.  So all apps are affected.  But now my assumption is proven wrong :(02:40
yuriyallee: it also seems to be changing somewhat randomly. the icon was ru a couple times now without me changing it02:41
yuriyi'm getting the impression there's been some attempt to make it a per-application setting02:41
alleeyuriy: adventurously02:42
yuriyallee: i'll file a bug then. any idea what package?02:42
alleeyuriy: no, sorry02:43
alleeyuriy: maybe kcontrol is a good start02:43
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jjessehow are things going tonight?02:55
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oslohi, on feisty i can't get /etc/hosts.deny to work properly i'd like to block errorsafe.com, here my hosts.deny: http://pastebin.com/88493903:20
oslocoudl u help me ?03:20
Hobbseeoslo: --> #kubuntu03:28
Hobbseeor #ubuntu, if there's no answer, as it's not kde specific03:29
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osloHobbsee k03:38
Hobbseeoslo: seeing as this isnt really a support channel03:39
oslok k k k03:39
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yuriyjust saw this on planetkde: "From the non-sysadmin side of things I've just finished creating tarballs for 3.80.3" :)04:40
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yuriyok kdevelop or cmake or qmake or whatever this is is dumb05:54
yuriyit thinks 1.10 is not > 1.605:54
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sebasLaser_away: EMail me at sebas@kde.org09:09
Jucatomoin _StefanS_09:09
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yuriymornin _StefanS_09:21
hungerDaSkreech: pong.09:22
yuriythe bedbugs want you back (bug 85298)09:22
UbugtuMalone bug 85298 in kdebase "New KDE logout can't be used with keyboard" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8529809:22
_StefanS_what the..09:22
_StefanS_yuriy: they should just update to the latest09:24
yuriyooh i didn't notice that!09:25
_StefanS_they just installed herd4 and then wrote the bugreport without updating their installations09:25
yuriyoops sorry to trouble you09:25
_StefanS_the latest is ubuntu909:25
_StefanS_no problem09:25
yuriyheh shoulda refreshed the page oops again09:27
yuriyi should probably go to sleep, night!09:27
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Riddellash211: why are you editing KubuntuFeistyKde4Plan?11:45
Jucatohe seems to have changed the name for one of the use cases, to match the pronouns...11:48
Tonio_hi Riddell ;)11:54
Tonio_Riddell: bad news concerning kdesktop... neither debian, nore opensuse have the problem11:55
Tonio_Riddell: that's kubuntu specific11:55
Tonio_Riddell: I've tried to build kdebase without all patches that touch kdesktop code, no change...11:56
RiddellTonio_: it may be the langpack locale patch in kdelibs11:57
RiddellI've no idea why it would only affect kdesktop though11:57
Tonio_Riddell: yes, that's what I don't understand....11:58
Tonio_I'm trying to build kdelibs without the patch11:58
Tonio_Riddell: kubuntu_04_add_langpack_path.diff this one ?12:00
Tonio_that's an old patch, the problem is not that old... :)12:00
RiddellTonio_: that's the one12:01
Tonio_Riddell: btw, I looked at kdesktop/desktop.cc code, it uses the same Catalog than konqueror, no check of env variables etc....12:04
Tonio_that's really strange ;)12:04
_StefanS_hey I just saw that dell launched a poll for the stuff customers would like to see in the future on their systems... funny thing is that Linux is on top of the list, followed by firefox and OOo12:08
=== _StefanS_ thinks its a really nice thing
Tonio__StefanS_: yes I've seen this ;)12:09
_StefanS_Tonio_: I think it really points to a move in the right direction..12:10
_StefanS_Tonio_: In about 40 mins, I will devote the rest of the day to that kdesu thing..12:11
=== _StefanS_ cant wait
Tonio__StefanS_: hehe12:12
_StefanS_Tonio_: well work sucks :)12:12
Riddell_StefanS_: did you see seele was after you about the logout dialogue12:13
_StefanS_Riddell: nope.. about what ?12:13
Riddell_StefanS_: button order I think12:14
_StefanS_Riddell: that wasn't up to me... Hobsee - Tonio and mhb decided upon that.12:14
_StefanS_Riddell: just give me the wanted order, and will rearrange12:14
=== _StefanS_ just carried out orders
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_StefanS_or maybe even awaiting...12:17
Riddell_StefanS_: I'll change reboot to "back"12:18
_StefanS_Riddell: the icon you mean12:19
_StefanS_Tonio_: no problem..12:20
_StefanS_Riddell: no problem12:20
Riddellwe're easily confused :)12:20
Tonio_Riddell: kdelibs currently building... I doubt, but that deserves an attempt...12:21
_StefanS_Riddell: so what about the order..can you do a decision on that ?12:21
Tonio_Riddell: something I've also noticed : all process launched via kdesktop are also in english12:22
Tonio_Riddell: for example if you rightclick/property on a file on the desktop12:22
_StefanS_Riddell: since you want to use back for the reboot button, what should i then use for the logout ?12:22
_StefanS_Riddell: which uses back at the moment12:22
Tonio_Riddell: that leads me to think the issue is while loading libkonq.mo12:22
Riddell_StefanS_: ah, it was logout I ment12:23
Tonio_cut/copy/paste, properties etc.... that's libkonq thing12:23
Riddell_StefanS_: if it has already been done that's sorted12:23
_StefanS_Riddell: well I think I did that one iteration ago in kdebase*ubuntu8 ..12:23
Tonio_Riddell:  the problem is that the katalog is loaded... ./desktop.cc:  KGlobal::locale()->insertCatalogue("libkonq");12:24
_StefanS_Riddell: so then there's just the button order... let me know when/if you want them changed at all.12:24
Riddell_StefanS_: great, thanks, you'll need to talk to seele about the button order12:27
_StefanS_seele: so what should the button order be like for the logout ? :)12:28
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Riddellshe's probably snoozing, Merkins never seem to get up before midday12:32
Tonio_Riddell: I also though that could be an issue with kdeinit, but no.... even when launched manually, kdesktop fails....12:34
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RiddellHobbsee: fancy giving http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4421 a review?12:54
HobbseeRiddell: who's is it? allee's?12:55
RiddellHobbsee: yes12:57
HobbseeRiddell: oh right, so we cant sync that?12:57
Hobbseeahh, it's sitting in debian, gotcha12:57
HobbseeRiddell: one question - why's the diff so huge?12:58
RiddellHobbsee: it includes a buildprep patch with all the automake/autoconf fun12:59
HobbseeRiddell: ahhh, right12:59
Riddellnormally I don't use those, but the debian KDE packagers do01:00
Hobbseeoh, that's a massive patch.  gotcha01:00
Tonio_Riddell: ah ! I promissed alle to revu this !01:00
HobbseeRiddell: done.01:01
HobbseeRiddell: if you're happy with it, i am01:01
HobbseeTonio_: you can third ack :P01:01
Tonio_Hobbsee: yup and upload btw ;)01:01
Hobbseeyes...i was wondering if someone else could upload, and i could munch on dinner01:01
Tonio_ack, simply perfect (aka allee)01:04
Riddellthat was quick01:05
Riddelldid you compile it?01:05
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Tonio_Riddell: no, cause I know he did, you did and Hobbsee did01:06
Tonio_Riddell: Currently building here :)01:06
Tonio_Riddell: I just reviewed packaging01:06
HobbseeRiddell: um, not yet..  assumed you did.01:06
Hobbseewhen you ack'd first01:07
=== Hobbsee was slowly gettign to that point, though
Tonio_Riddell: don't be affraid, you know I always build everything before upload :)01:07
Tonio_Riddell: I just noticed a very simple tweak in the kubuntu deb installer service menu that allows to install deps :)01:08
Tonio_Riddell: just perform a sudo apt-get -f install after dpkg -i if it responds missing builddeps and that's it01:08
RiddellTonio_: what's that?01:08
Riddelloh, good plan01:08
Riddellhardly gdebi, but better than nothing :)01:09
Tonio_Riddell: yup ;)01:09
Tonio_Riddell: I need fresh air since that kdesktop thing drives me nuts in fact ;)01:09
Tonio_I'll write a script for this01:09
Jucatoso no gdebi port for feisty?01:10
RiddellJucato: no01:11
Riddellwe should do it for feisty+1 though01:11
Jucatoah ok. as long as there's something that works :)01:11
Hobbseeunless Jucato's asking to write it :P01:11
JucatoI'm puzzled though about the default behavior when clicking a .deb in Konqueror01:11
Hobbseecome to think of it, i'ts probably not that hard.01:11
Hobbseeif you knew qt01:12
JucatoHobbsee: that's a big if... :)01:12
Hobbseewell, even if you knew part of it01:12
Jucatoright now, I'm not even studying C++ yet... I have so many things to do (personal)01:12
Hobbseeprobably similar to the pizza box example, perhaps01:12
Hobbseedepends how gdebi works i guess01:13
RiddellJucato: it would be in Python01:13
Jucatopizza box example?01:13
Jucatoooh... python... O.O01:13
Riddellthe block was the embedded konsole, but that seems to be sorted for the dist-upgrade tool01:13
Hobbseewhat, just use --nofork on it again?01:13
Jucatooh kool! so now the kubuntu package script will launch when a .deb is clicked? nice01:14
Hobbseeno...it opens by default in ark.01:14
Hobbseethat should be changed too, i guess.01:14
RiddellHobbsee: the patches to konsole were somewhat longer and more complex than just not forking01:14
Jucatocool. one less confusion for users :)01:14
HobbseeRiddell: good point.01:15
HobbseeRiddell: does that mean that that the patches only need to be used for konsole, or in every app where you want to have an embedded console?01:15
RiddellHobbsee: they're part of kdelibs and konsole library01:17
HobbseeTonio_: ooh, shiny!01:18
=== Hobbsee wonders if you could just build a kde frontend to gdebi.
Hobbseeif that'd help01:20
Riddellyes, you could01:20
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Tonio_Riddell: kdelibs built without the locales patch01:26
Tonio_Riddell: unified desktop now, everything is in english hehe :)01:26
Tonio_Riddell: where should I copy the mo things ?01:26
RiddellTonio_: /usr/share/locale (rather than locale-lang)01:28
Tonio_okay, copying01:28
Tonio_Riddell: WORKS !!!!!!!!01:31
Riddellwell, progress of a sort01:35
Riddellinteresting, gmail works fine in konqueror with the agent set to firefox01:35
Tonio_Riddell: there should be somewhere something looking at /usr/share/locale....01:36
Riddellwell yes, that patch does01:36
Tonio_Riddell: there is obviously something hardcoded somewhere....01:38
Tonio_Riddell: I've seen horrible things hardcoded in konqueror01:38
Tonio_Riddell: remember the menus options dissapearing in konqueror ? that was due to hardcoded config .rc name ;)01:38
Tonio_and we changed it01:38
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Tonio_./Makefile.in:kde_locale = @kde_locale@01:44
Tonio_./Makefile.in:localedir = @localedir@01:44
Tonio_we can patch this in kdesktop/Makefile.am01:45
Riddellerr, patch what?01:46
Tonio_force the localedir to /usr/share/locate-langpack01:46
Tonio_I don't know01:46
Riddellwhat's actually the problem?01:46
Tonio_but well we now know what is breaking it, so I'll find what to fix01:47
Tonio_Riddell: bah copying everything to /usr/share/locale resolves the kdesktop translation problem01:47
Tonio_Riddell: there is obviously something hardcoded in the sources that leads to /usr/share/locale01:47
Riddellwhich .mo file is it not loading when the problem occurs?01:48
Tonio_Riddell: I don't know... I'd say libkonq.mo but I'm unsure01:49
Riddellstrace and find out01:49
Tonio_Riddell: that's my plan yes01:50
Riddelluh oh, I scared him off01:50
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Riddellphew, he came back :)01:51
Tonio_Riddell: another interesting test to be sure kdesktop was looking at the wrong path01:51
Tonio_Riddell: I just left the copied files to /usr/share/locale, and installed patches kdelibs, still working like a charm01:51
Tonio_so that's obviously a path issue01:51
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Riddellguess addResourceDir("locale", "/usr/share/locale-langpack/", true); doesn't work for insertCatalog()01:54
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Tonio_Riddell: +    addResourceDir("locale", "/usr/share/locale-langpack/", true);02:07
RiddellTonio_: what about it?02:07
Tonio_Riddell: I think the documentation says that addResourceDir shouldn't have a / at the end of the path....02:07
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Tonio_I used it recently for xdg autostart and remember this...02:08
RiddellTonio_: well it works in every other case02:08
Tonio_Riddell: I know but I don't find any other explanation02:08
Riddellotherwise you would never see a french desktop02:08
Tonio_Riddell: is the type "locale" previously defined ?02:08
Riddellworth looking in addCatalogue() in klocale to see what's going on02:08
Tonio_Riddell: I absolutly agree with you, but in that case there is no possible explanation since kdesktop SHOULD obviously work02:09
Riddellwell maybe addCatalogue() doesn't look in the correct resource path02:15
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Tonio_Riddell: one thing : we are behind /usr02:20
Tonio_Riddell: so technically we don't need absolute path02:20
Tonio_Riddell: I changed your patch to use addResourceType, which uses relative path, instead, just to give a try02:20
Tonio_+    addResourceType("locale", "share/locale-langpack");02:21
Tonio_that's the new line...02:21
RiddellHobbsee: did you upload your new k-d-s?02:24
HobbseeRiddell: no, havent looked at it again yet02:24
HobbseeRiddell: computer hard froze, so i lost all motivation to do computer stuff, and went to work02:25
Tonio_Riddell: but that's good, we now know why it fails, and what to look at to get it to work :)02:25
RiddellHobbsee: ok, I'll upload02:27
Riddelldid you two come to any decision on the default konversation theme?02:27
HobbseeRiddell: i didnt make my final changes yet, either02:27
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Hobbseekeep squares theme, it seems02:27
Tonio_yup for powerusers02:27
Tonio_I'll look at doing a better theme eventually :)02:28
RiddellTonio_: did you see the comments about the kopete theme02:30
Riddellthat it's included in kopete by default now02:30
Tonio_Riddell: ah ? nice ;)02:33
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Tonio_Riddell: for kde4 or kde3 svn ?02:33
RiddellTonio_: released version02:33
Riddelljpetso is the man02:34
Riddell"I noticed that Kubuntu Feisty is using my TotallyClear Kopete style"02:35
Riddell"I got the style into Kopete 0.12.1 as "No avatars" variant of the Clear style02:35
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Tonio_Riddell: interesting.... Iim looking02:40
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Tonio_Riddell: no variant on our kopete package...02:40
HobbseeRiddell: hooray02:42
nixternalfor he's a jolly good fellow, for he's a jolly good fellow02:43
Hobbseeargh...i'm too sleepy for singing...02:43
nixternalI just woke up, you are getting ready for bed02:44
Hobbseeone of the girls at work was offering to serenade us all02:44
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Hobbseedont think she liked that too much...02:44
nixternaloh well02:44
nixternalin school this girl sings all the time and it gets on my last nerve02:44
nixternalI keep trying to give her a piece of gum hoping she will chew that and shut up02:45
nixternalRiddell: what's up with the Ubiquity Slide Show thing? Is it going to have local documentation or is it going to point the website?02:46
Hobbseenixternal: hehe, good luck with that02:49
seele_StefanS_: ping02:50
_StefanS_seele: pong02:50
_StefanS_seele: you had some changes to the button order in logout02:50
seele_StefanS_: you get my private messages?02:51
_StefanS_oh :)02:51
_StefanS_i must be blind02:51
jpetsoTonio_: The style has been in since Kopete 0.12.1, but I forgot to update the makefiles then, so the fix has only been in for three days02:53
Tonio_    if (!strcmp(type, "locale"))02:53
Tonio_        return "share/locale/";02:53
jpetsoTonio_: here's the patch for Kopete from the 3.5 branch, it will work in Kopete 3.5.7 and later: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdenetwork/kopete/styles/Clear/Contents/Resources/Variants/No_avatars.css?rev=634596&view=rev02:54
Tonio_shoudln't we patch this instead of kstandarddirs ?02:54
jpetsoTonio_: for now, you'd have to patch Kopete02:54
Tonio_jpetso: perfect ;)02:54
Tonio_jpetso: I'll do that toonight02:56
jpetsoTonio_: wonderful, thanks a lot!02:56
Tonio_jpetso: thank you for the work ;)02:56
jpetsoTonio_: thank you for using my style variation in upstream Kubuntu!02:57
Tonio_jpetso: I loved it, that's it :)02:57
jpetsoTonio_: me too :D02:57
seeleRiddell: do you know who works on the Ubuntu logout dialog?03:03
Riddellseele: no idea, dholbach or seb128 would know03:03
Riddellit might even be the default gnome one for all I know03:05
_StefanS_yea I think so too03:06
abattoiri think it was an SoC project03:06
_StefanS_oh wait.. no it must be custom03:06
_StefanS_fc7 logout is one line03:06
abattoirhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/polish-logout-dialog i think03:07
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Tonio_Riddell: I'm testing 2 different patches for kdelibs, hopefully one will work :)03:08
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Tonio_hum description on mouseover is nice :)03:12
Tonio__StefanS_: inspiring ? ^^03:12
_StefanS_Tonio_: well we decided that it would not have those03:17
_StefanS_Tonio_: let me find my log..03:17
RiddellTonio_: did you (or hobbsee) upload libkexiv2?03:17
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_StefanS_#kubuntu-devel.log:[Sun Feb 4 2007]  [00:42:18]  <mhb> _StefanS_: the only difference is that we don't use the on mouseover text descriptions like they do03:18
_StefanS_well mhb, sort of decided that03:19
Tonio_Riddell: I finished the build, everything's okay I'm uploading now03:19
Tonio_Riddell: sorry I was still on kdelibs ;)03:20
_StefanS_Tonio_: but it shouldn't be a problem to add those tooltips03:20
RiddellTonio_: what did you change?03:23
Tonio_Riddell: on kdelibs ?03:23
Tonio_Riddell: I tried to use addResourceType instead of addResourceDirs03:23
Tonio_Riddell: if that doesn't work, I'll try to patch kstandarddirs.cpp instead of adding a resource03:24
Tonio_share/locale/ is hardcoded there03:24
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Tonio_Riddell: first option didn't help...03:26
Tonio_Riddell: here is the patch to eventually replace your kubuntu_04 :03:26
Tonio_could also work, launching the build now03:26
Riddellhmm, that would stop it looking in locale/, we still want it to look there as well03:29
Tonio_Riddell: just a test in the first place03:31
Tonio_I think kdesktop may use the first path for some reason03:31
Tonio_Riddell: that just to understand what happens in fact03:32
Tonio_Riddell: another option that comes to my mind is that a class may eventually don't like the "-" caracter in the path name....03:32
Tonio_but why only with kdesktop ? that's the big deal...03:32
Tonio_maybe eventually the addResourceDirs/Type class in fact03:34
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zorglu_q. is there a 'network person/team' for ubuntu ? i mean who decide stuff about network like "no firewall by default" or "netif lo without multicast", this kind of stuff ?where should i look to get an answer to this ? (if here is not the most suitable one)03:49
Riddellzorglu_: hobbsee is a good person to ask03:54
zorglu_ok i will, thanks03:54
Riddellbut the no firewall thing is because one isn't needed by default03:54
zorglu_it was only example, i just wanted to know who should i talk to03:54
RiddellI don't know about the second one03:54
Riddellzorglu_: well a distro is a big thing so there's no one person for all questions03:55
zorglu_well a big thing need organization and to delegate responsability etc.. :) like ubuntu got a kernel team, a loco team, a usability team etc.. i was looking for the network team :)03:56
Riddellnetwork touches a lot of levels, it's handled by linux people, network-manager people and desktop people04:00
seelehow do you access the katapult context menu?04:02
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bddebianHeya folks04:04
Riddellone day I'll patch it so you can actually click on it and get a menu04:04
seeleRiddell: ah hah.. good because that was one of my suggestions04:04
seele(doing a review for Mez)04:04
Riddellseele: yeah, the control-c thing was only ever temporary, alas nobody has fixed it yet04:05
seeledoes searching the fs work by default?  i see an option in the dialog for searching for documents and such, but i cant figure out how to do it04:07
Mezseele, ?04:07
seeleMez: this was from over a month ago04:07
seelejust getting to it now04:07
Riddellseele: yes, but only for files in ~ (and ~/Documents maybe)04:09
seeleah ok04:11
seele(i dont have anything in ~/.04:11
Riddellwhat a tidy person04:11
Riddellbut you must have directories there04:11
Riddelltype the name of a directory and you can open it04:12
Riddellit's not a feature I've ever used but04:12
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Riddellhi manchicken, Lure04:36
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Jucatomanchicken!! long time :)04:43
Lurehi Riddell04:44
Riddellhola Lure04:44
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Tonio_Riddell: that's a nightmare, even when patching the "locale" type directly, it doesn't work...04:46
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manchickenJucato: Holidays are nice... especially when they're extended ^_^04:52
manchickenHad to get rid of a cat.  I'm bummed to all hell.04:53
manchickenDacia's trying to find a place that won't murder her... harder than it sounds.04:53
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Tonio_+  if (mainCatalogue.contains("desktop") == 0) {05:02
Tonio_+    if (maincatalogue) {05:02
Tonio_+      mainCatalogue = QString::fromLatin1(maincatalogue);05:02
Tonio_+    }05:02
Tonio_+  }05:02
Tonio_Riddell: that's it !!!!!!!!!!05:02
Tonio_kdesktop contains desktop !!!05:02
Tonio_it is this patch in fact !05:02
Tonio_and that's why it is not loaded....05:03
Riddellerr, huh?05:03
Riddelloops :)05:03
Tm_TTonio_: Put pants back on.05:03
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Tonio_Riddell: ;)05:03
Tonio_Riddell: this morning when it worked I removed 2 patches not one, that's why it fixed this :)05:04
Tonio_I just re-read that patch to be sure...05:04
Tonio_Riddell: what to change btw to get it to work ?05:04
Tonio_2 days to find this........05:05
Tonio_if (mainCatalogue.contains("desktop") == 0 or mainCatalogue.contains("kdesktop") == 1) {05:06
Tonio_Riddell: is that correct for you ?05:06
Tonio_hum, okay :)05:07
Tonio_Riddell: testing05:07
Tonio_this time it'll be okay I think :)05:10
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Tonio_Riddell: another big bug on your list I could eventually look at ?05:31
Riddellinstall-mp3 still needs fixed05:31
Tonio_Riddell: okay will do05:31
RiddellTonio_: did you upload libkexiv2?05:32
Tonio_Riddell: yes, pending in NEW now05:32
RiddellTonio_: how about that kopete theme?05:32
Tonio_Riddell: will do the changes in kopete and kds toonight05:32
Tonio_Riddell: just a matter of makefiles to patch and kopeterc file to update05:33
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DaSkreechhunger: reping :)05:47
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RiddellTm_T: about to kickban genjix2 from #kubuntu?06:16
Riddellapokryphos: kickban :)06:18
DaSkreechHe's back?06:18
apokryphosa ban evader?06:18
Tm_TRiddell: :O06:19
apokryphosRiddell: I was going to give him a warning and watch him, but if he's a previous offender then I can if you like06:20
Tm_Tapokryphos: Gone already.06:21
Tm_THis response was IMO enough.06:21
DaSkreechThat's going to seem harsh to onlookers06:21
Tm_TDaSkreech: What is?06:22
DaSkreechbanning him for whining06:22
Riddellwhining about CoC is bannable06:23
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Tonio_Riddell: kdesktop fixed, uploading kdelibs06:23
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Tm_TIf someone says "I won't look rules, I don't care" then IMO it's just all you need to get ban. <306:24
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DaSkreechOh he didn't want to read COC?06:24
Tm_T19:18 < genjix2> I aint reading all that text.06:24
DaSkreechOh right he said that before :)06:24
DaSkreechYeah I saw that I didn't see what it was in relation to06:25
Riddellmost annying thing is that I can't kick people06:25
Tm_TRiddell: You can't?06:25
Riddell"Channel not fully synchronized yet, try again after a while"06:25
RiddellI've been getting that for about a month06:25
Tm_TRiddell: Tried another server?06:26
Tm_TOr hrr, could it be clientside...06:26
apokryphosbuggy irssi version?06:26
Riddellno idea06:27
Tm_Tapokryphos: There's no "buggy irssi version", there's no releases that often. =)06:27
Tm_Tapokryphos: Irssi releases are like Debian releases, you wait until hell is frozen.06:27
apokryphosRiddell: how about if you use /remove ?06:28
Tm_Tapokryphos: There's no such command in irssi IIRC.06:28
apokryphosit's a Freenode thing06:29
Tm_TYup, so that would mean /quote remove blah blah maybe06:29
Tm_TBut last time I tried it, no luck.06:29
apokryphosyeah, works fine with quote06:30
apokryphosjust /quote remove #channel user Reason06:31
apokryphosin which case you want an alias of course: /r user reason :P06:31
Tm_THmm, somewhere I can try?06:31
apokryphosTm_T: #apokryphos06:31
Tm_THmm, seems to work.06:32
Tm_TThat's also serverside thing so prolly won't work with Riddell but worth to try.06:33
Tm_Tapokryphos: <-06:34
Tm_TAand seems to work, thanks. :)06:35
Tm_TThough needs channel given everytime, that if it could take automatically would be good.06:37
apokryphosyeah, I'm sure there's a variable for that06:38
apokryphos$chan.name in kvirc06:38
Tm_TThere is, can't remember.06:38
RiddellDaSkreech: that answer should be changed to include amarok as well as banshee06:38
DaSkreechGood point06:38
DaSkreech and Songbird eventually06:39
Tm_Tapokryphos: Ok, more testing06:39
DaSkreechwait. Amarok does daap now?06:39
Tm_TIIRC yes.06:41
Riddellif you can work out how, the usability of it is horendous06:41
Tm_Tapokryphos: Hum, remove line?06:42
apokryphoswhat do you mean?06:42
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DaSkreechWhere do I configure /turn on DAAP?06:54
DaSkreechIs it a server or a client or both?06:54
Tm_TDaSkreech: amarok.kde.org might tell, I have no idea what it is.06:55
DaSkreechWill do let me just send a e-mail06:55
Tm_THmm, I'm about to remove renzo, ok?06:55
DaSkreechTm_T: He's trying to get to bed just tell him to go :)06:56
DaSkreechIf he is still talking then toss him06:56
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Tm_TDidn't take whole sentence :(07:00
Tm_T /remove renzo Have a good sleep, you'll need it07:00
Tm_TOh well, I'll fix that later.07:02
apokryphoswe'll steal nalioth's stuff later, don't worry :P07:06
DaSkreech /remove renzo "When that verbal diarrhea clears up please come back" perhaps?07:06
Tm_TDaSkreech: Nope.07:06
Tm_TAnd Konquer the world! Muhahhhaha!!107:07
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DaSkreechI don't know if we should be fish://ing in nalioth's stuff for konquest07:11
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Tm_TBah, my iPaq doesn't play rm files. :(07:18
DaSkreechTm_T: No good I can't see *.kde.org07:19
Tm_TDaSkreech: That's evil.07:20
DaSkreechtell me about it07:20
Tm_TBut you can connect those by using ip?07:20
Tm_TDaSkreech: Ok, I'07:21
DaSkreechtrying now07:21
Tm_Tll paste that text somewhere, keep your pants on.07:21
DaSkreechWell the IP gives me kollide :)07:22
Tm_TDaSkreech: http://www.tm-travolta.net/tekstit/amarok-daap.txt07:23
DaSkreechIf I ping kde.org by itself it comes back as jamaica.kde.org Thats rich07:23
Tm_TThat's pretty much what I find.07:23
DaSkreechOk So it's not a DAAP Server then07:26
DaSkreechSo it shouldn't be listed under !itunes07:26
DaSkreechSo I can't see *.kde.org sites unless it's a wiki?07:30
RiddellDaSkreech: there is a daap server07:32
DaSkreechI'm checking it out on the wiki07:32
DaSkreechIf it's not trivially turned on by default on a Kubuntu install I don't think that !itunes should promote amarok either07:32
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DaSkreechRiddell: Who made the choice to ship with all repos on by default?08:04
fdovingthat doesn't make sense.08:04
fdovingmust be a bug.08:04
DaSkreechfdoving: Hmm?08:06
RiddellDaSkreech: whoever wrote the spec08:06
DaSkreechSo Ubuntu does that as well?08:07
DaSkreechfdoving: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Herd4/Kubuntu#head-2c2918d58af88f9d0692489f115d6ca93e9716f208:07
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RiddellDaSkreech: yes08:08
DaSkreechAh Must have missed that08:08
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Riddellwithout the beta08:09
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fdovingDaSkreech: ok, i'm totaly against that idea, but anyway. probably not a bug anyway then.08:36
DaSkreechfdoving: Well to be fair they are not turned on in Ubuntu08:37
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mhbhi all09:17
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yuriy*sigh* my brain is on vacation (at least it gets to be :) ) i just wrote "Thank you for filing this bug?"09:23
DaSkreechDid someone actually file a bug?09:24
DaSkreechRiddell: DAAP server code is there but broken. It's fixed on HEAD09:26
DaSkreech Looks like amarok 2.009:26
Tm_TCurrent svn trunk is for KDE4 yes.09:29
DaSkreechare you responding to someone?09:30
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fdovinggah.. i can't get the distupgrader tool to work.09:42
fdovingit simply doesn't appear when i run adept updater.09:42
fdovingRiddell: how is the running distro version checked? lsb_release ?09:43
fdovingah, it doesn't run well with kdesu... the distupgrader can't connect to X.09:47
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DaSkreechlsb_release -a I think09:52
fdovingwithin adept?09:52
fdovinglet me rephrase.09:52
fdovingdoes adept use that to determine the running distro?09:53
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DaSkreechthat I have no clue I guess a grep through the sources would reveal all09:54
fdovingi was hoping for a shortcut :)09:55
DaSkreechPoking manchicken?09:55
manchickenMmm... I like poking.09:56
fdovinghe's alive!09:56
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manchickenNo, I'm dead and still enjoy a good poking.09:56
fdovingmanchicken: how does adept check the running distro version?09:56
manchicken(wow, that sounds really bad)09:57
manchickenmeta-releases is the file it checks IIRC.09:57
manchickenIt's hardcoded (much to my angry violent distaste)09:57
fdovingwherei sthat file?09:57
manchickenLook in the adept/kubuntu_upgrader tree09:57
manchickenIt's like upgrader.cpp09:57
fdovingoh, the running release is hardcoded into adept?09:58
DaSkreechWoah that's not goodish09:58
manchickenDidn't look that deep...09:58
manchickenI don't think that one is hard-coded.09:58
manchickenI think that's derived.09:58
fdovingso adept 2.1.1 expects you to be running dedgy?09:58
manchickenBut the meta-releases vile on the ubuntu.com site is hardcoded.09:58
fdovingok, but that's for the available releases.09:58
manchickenWell, it's not that it expects it so much as it doesn't know how to handle something that's not in meta-releases.09:59
manchickenIt'll assume you're using boary and it'll segfault due to a missing error check.09:59
fdovingdoesn't it know what it self is?09:59
manchickenI've already patched and fixed that though.09:59
manchickenI thought that was already up on feisty...09:59
fdovingi'm trying to upgrade a edgy box with this tool and it fails.10:00
manchickenOh, JR's tool?10:00
fdovingi had a few feisty packages installed, and i also have the deb-src lines for feisty and all.10:00
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manchickenHe said there's a modification it requires.10:00
manchickenI can't remember what it is.10:00
manchickenI did my upgrade manually, and I would advise against it if you can get JR's tool working.10:01
fdovinghow does adpet know when to popup the 'new distro available' wizard?10:01
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fdovingit must somehow know what distro itself is.10:01
manchickenIt fetches the meta-releases file on ubuntu.com and compares the date for the most recent release with the date of the release it thinks you're currently on.10:01
manchickenYeah, I can't remember how it derives that.10:01
fdovinghow does it 'think' what i'm on, that's what i'm looking for.10:02
manchickenIt's probably in the apt lib or dpkg thing....10:02
manchickenI believe you could apt-get source adept, change from meta-releases to meta-somethingelse and it'll work.10:04
manchickenI'm not sure what somethingelse is right off the top of my head though.10:04
fdovingthat's not the problem.10:04
manchickenWhat is the problem?10:04
fdovingto know what adept uses to figure out it's own version, edgy vs. feisty.10:05
manchickenGimme a second.10:05
fdovingi'm downgrading all feisty packages to edgy now, but it's a waste  if i could s/feisty/edgy/ and it would work.10:05
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manchickencat /etc/lsb-release10:08
fdovingok, thanks.  :)10:08
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manchickennp ^_^10:08
fdovingyay.. it works.10:09
fdoving(so far.)10:09
fdovinglooks promising, 'Fetching and installing the upgrades' now.10:14
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manchickennotsosoft.net :P10:20
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manchickenAre there plans to bring iceweasel in?10:20
mhbmanchicken: why should we? :o)10:21
mhbmanchicken: there's no need, I guess.10:22
manchickenmhb: Because I want to see it, and we should do everything exactly as I--the dictator of all of the known universe--command.10:22
manchickenBehold your feathery leader.10:22
manchickenNaw, I just hear folks talking about it, thought it'd be neat to pull it in.10:22
_StefanS_manchicken: hey I thought you were lost in time or space... You didn't get the package yet ?10:22
manchicken_StefanS_: Not yet.  I was on holiday.10:23
manchickenGot back last night.10:23
DaSkreechmanchicken: I'd prefere seamonkey10:23
_StefanS_manchicken: ah that was what I figured :)10:23
DaSkreech I'm still at a loss as to why that isn't in the repos10:23
manchickenDaSkreech: I'd like all of them.10:23
DaSkreechYeah but right now choice == firefox which sucks10:23
manchickenWell, I use konq almost exclusively.10:24
fdovingi do too, because of the excellent webshortcuts.10:24
fdovingqt3:qstring for example. :)10:25
DaSkreechI guess I meant for gecko browsers10:25
manchickenYeah, FF is what folks seem to go for on gecko browsers.10:25
DaSkreechExcept it's seriously sucky now10:25
DaSkreech I'd much prefere seamonkey10:25
DaSkreechIn a grand show of irony it uses less ram10:25
manchickenI'd like to see that and iceweasel.10:26
manchickenAnd one of the other variants that may or may not rock a little harder.10:26
fdovingi have to go be a family man, bye.10:28
manchickenYou say that like it's a bad thing ^_^10:28
DaSkreechanyone know anything about xlibs?10:28
DaSkreechfdoving: You are going to try start a family now?10:28
fdovingmanchicken: you read it like it's a bad thing :)10:29
manchicken_StefanS_: How did you ship those to me?  Standard post?  UPS?10:29
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manchickenfdoving: It has its moments ^_^10:29
_StefanS_manchicken: well its through Pan Nordic Logistics, but I dont know who they work with in the US10:29
elcucoRiddell: ping10:29
fdovingDaSkreech: i have a family i try to keep :)10:29
manchickenIt may take a while.10:29
elcucoRiddell: saw your blog about kdesktop translations... what was the problem?10:29
manchickenI hope it gets here in the next two weeks.10:29
manchickenI'm moving on the 7th.10:30
_StefanS_manchicken: should be 5-6 days total. From what I can see it departed the airport in copenhagen10:30
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manchickenSilly Nederlanders.10:30
DaSkreech!find xlibs10:30
ubotuFound: xlibs-dev, xlibs-static-dev, xlibs-data10:30
manchicken!find beer10:31
DaSkreechxlibs-data is a transitional to what?10:31
ubotuFile beer found in gerstensaft10:31
_StefanS_manchicken: you can use http://pannordic.com/ to track the package (as I wrote to you)10:31
manchickenOkay, you shot me an email?10:31
manchickenI haven't checked my personal messages yet.10:31
_StefanS_manchicken: yes, quite some days ago10:31
_StefanS_manchicken: ok, just check it out then, the TT number is there too10:32
manchickenLast night we had to find a new home for a cat that keeps making messages resulting in expensive property damages.10:32
manchickenSo I wasn't in a very pleasant mood.10:32
mhbTonio_: nice work10:33
_StefanS_well hope the cat got a good home10:33
manchickenI think it did.10:33
mhbTonio_: I was looking at that problem too a day or two ago ... but you found it out faster :o)10:33
manchickenWe've got another cat that wasn't making messes.10:34
manchickenWe're keeping that one.10:34
manchickenMight be a one-kitty family for a little while.10:34
_StefanS_manchicken: so they couldn't get along, or something ?10:34
manchickenThey got along fine, but one of them just kept going on the furniture and carpets.10:35
manchickenMy allergies have been killing me for some time as a result.10:35
manchickenNothing like waking up to a sinus headache and red-eye.10:36
_StefanS_manchicken: ah well then it was probably for the best10:36
manchickenI think so.10:36
manchickenStill hard.10:36
_StefanS_manchicken: so now you can see the screen again, when its out of the house ;)10:36
manchickenYeah.  heh10:36
_StefanS_now why the heck wont kde4 compile from svn....10:38
_StefanS_wasnt there somewhere you could track those compile errorss10:38
_StefanS_on IRC or something10:38
DaSkreechcan we vote on what goes in commercial ?10:44
manchickenI really think we should be careful which proggies we have in our non-free repos.10:45
manchickenIt would be bad to promote a non-free product, particularly if it has a viable Free software alternative.10:46
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mhbRiddell: did you fix the kdesktop bug?11:40
mhbRiddell: I've seen you and Tonio_ worked on that one11:40
mhbRiddell: should I mark the corresponding bug as Fix Committed?11:41
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Riddellmhb: yes, tonio did11:42
mhbRiddell: thanks to both of you for that, it was a problematic one for me, too ... I even tried to find the cause but you were faster :o)11:44
mhbwill the new apport crash handler for KDE be translatable for Feisty?11:48
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