[01:06] <Hobbsee> kpowersave 0.7.2 is now out
[01:06] <Hobbsee> !info kpowersave feisty
[01:06] <ubotu> kpowersave: frontend to powersave for setting user specific policies. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.2-5ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 3222 kB, installed size 4984 kB
[01:07] <Hobbsee> ouch?
[01:18] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: why ouch?
[01:18] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: that it's so far out of date
[01:19] <ajmitch> and whose fault is that?
[01:19] <Hobbsee> yours
[01:19] <ajmitch> might as well blame Tonio_
[01:19] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: :'(
[01:19] <ajmitch> since it's not my fault
[01:20] <Tonio_> ajmitch: :'(
[01:20] <Tonio_> Hobbsee, ajmitch: what's the point ?
[01:21] <jjesse> evening
[01:21] <jjesse> or morning for some :)
[01:21] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: you have to know something about me
[01:21] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'm a paranoid !!!
[01:21] <Tonio_> never do that again please ! :)
[01:21] <Hobbsee> awwww, okay
[01:22] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: why, was it you who didnt upgrade kpowersave?
[01:22] <Hobbsee> hi jjesse
[01:22] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I never packaged/maintained kpowersave
[01:22] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it is usually luka
[01:22] <Hobbsee> i know :)
[01:23] <jjesse> hiya Hobbsee
[01:25] <Tonio_> I'll have a look at that but 2 things :
[01:25] <Tonio_> that requirs ufv exception
[01:25] <Tonio_> I'll do it after I fixed that kdesktop ignoring translations issue
[01:25] <Tonio_> that's my todo first absolute priority.... we have that issue since 6 month at least...
[01:32] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i realise that.  i'll probably look later, if you want
[01:32] <Hobbsee> fix the important stuff first
[01:34] <allee> Tonio_: I've merged your kipi-plugins ubuntu changes in alioth.  No so merge in the future anymore.
[01:36] <Tonio_> allee: superb ;)
[01:36] <Tonio_> allee: are you using debian on one of your machines ?
[01:36] <Tonio_> allee: I'm tracking a bug and need infos eventually :)
[01:36] <allee> Tonio_: no ;)
[01:36] <Tonio_> alle :(
[01:36] <Tonio_> damn ;)
[01:37] <allee> Tonio_: I expect that my DD sponsor gives it at least a try on debian before uploading
[01:37] <allee> Tonio_: which problem?
[01:38] <Tonio_> allee: I'd like to know if kdesktop ignores locales on debian
[01:38] <Tonio_> allee: simple way to test :
[01:38] <Tonio_> right click on the desktop -> cut/copy/paste options are in english whatever is your locale set to
[01:38] <Tonio_> allee: I don't see anything on kubuntu that changes this, and the bug doesn't occur with opensuse
[01:39] <Tonio_> allee: I suspect debian but I need to know if that bugs on debian too :)
[01:39] <Tonio_> allee: thanks :)
[01:51] <allee> Tonio_: I've upgrading etch right now.  But why didn't you ask on #debian-qt-kde   @irc.debian.rog  ?
[01:51] <allee> Tonio_: I've sure they are a debian installation at hand ;)
[01:53] <Tonio_> allee: will do :)
[01:53] <Tonio_> allee: the issue is not specificly translations in fact, more settings related problem
[02:03] <allee> Tonio_: you mean 'Undo' and 'Paste URL'  RMB item?
[02:03] <allee> Tonio_: they are in german in my etch test system
[02:04] <Tonio_> allee: okay so that's kubuntu specific bug...
[02:04] <Tonio_> allee: have 3.5.5 at least ?
[02:05] <allee> Tonio_: kdebase is 3.5.5a.dsfg.1-6
[02:05] <Tonio_> okay :)
[02:05] <Tonio_> would be interesting to build debian version and test on kubuntu
[02:07] <Tonio_> allee: if you create a folder on the desktop and then rightclick/properties on it
[02:07] <Tonio_> is the property window in english or german ?
[02:07] <Tonio_> allee: english on kubuntu
[02:08] <allee> Tonio_: the RMB is in german as well as the properties dialog
[02:09] <Tonio_> allee: weird....
[02:09] <Tonio_> allee: and on a kubuntu box ? just to be sure I'm not in front of a pure french language problem....
[02:10] <allee> Tonio_: i've to reboot test laptop into feisty.  AFAIR I used german there...
[02:10] <Tonio_> allee: hehe, sorry for bugging you with this :)
[02:15] <allee> Tonio_: kubuntu+german has the translation problem too :(
[02:15] <Tonio_> allee: okay so that's a general kubuntu issue....
[02:16] <Tonio_> allee: btw it looks like kdesktop ignores translations somehow
[02:16] <allee> Tonio_: but most of RMB menu item are translated
[02:18] <Tonio_> allee: yes just a little part misses..... that's weird
[02:18] <Tonio_> allee: there is a unique string for this, it is in kdelibs
[02:18] <Tonio_> allee: the weird thing is that the exact same context menu is nice in konqueror ~/home/Desktop
[02:19] <Tonio_> allee: that's why I think the issue is in kdesktop code somehow
[02:20] <allee> Tonio_: does kdesktop load the kdelibs catalog?
[02:20] <Tonio_> allee: it loads kconfig, klocate etc....
[02:20] <Tonio_> allee: which "catalog"
[02:20] <Tonio_> ?
[02:21] <allee> Tonio_: I only remember that the method to load a translation has the string catalog in it's name (ignore case)
[02:23] <Tonio_> allee: let me look
[02:24] <Tonio_> ./desktop.cc:  KGlobal::locale()->insertCatalogue("kdesktop");
[02:24] <Tonio_> ./desktop.cc:  KGlobal::locale()->insertCatalogue("libkonq"); // needed for apps using libkonq
[02:24] <Tonio_> ./desktop.cc:  KGlobal::locale()->insertCatalogue("libdmctl");
[02:24] <Tonio_> I can compare to what konqueror loads
[02:24] <Tonio_> allee: but I'll need to understand why it works for debian :)
[02:25] <Tonio_> ./konq_main.cc:  KGlobal::locale()->insertCatalogue("libkonq"); // needed for apps using libkonq
[02:25] <Tonio_> allee: :'(
[02:26] <Tonio_> allee: btw it looks more like an "env" kind of issue
[02:26] <jjesse> mmm fresh coffee
[02:27] <allee> Tonio_: I've already tried: KDE_LANG=de  kdesktop  # <- still untranslated string :(
[02:27] <Tonio_> allee: looks like kdesktop ignores translations for specific things
[02:28] <Tonio_> allee: the mo files used are the same than for konqueror, there shouldn't be any difference
[02:28] <Tonio_> allee: we can try to patch to load the catalog on ./kdiconview.cc:    connect( this, SIGNAL( contextMenuRequested(QIconViewItem*, const QPoint&)),
[02:28] <yuriy> Tonio_: are you using 2 different keyboard layouts?
[02:29] <Tonio_> yuriy: no
[02:29] <yuriy> oh ok, mine are broken-ish
[02:30] <yuriy> changes only apply to newly started applications. was working fine on friday.
[02:32] <Tonio_> yuriy: hum strange.....
[02:40] <allee> yuriy: I can confirm this.  But I'm really confused. I always thought that's an xserver wide setting.  So all apps are affected.  But now my assumption is proven wrong :(
[02:41] <yuriy> allee: it also seems to be changing somewhat randomly. the icon was ru a couple times now without me changing it
[02:41] <yuriy> i'm getting the impression there's been some attempt to make it a per-application setting
[02:42] <allee> yuriy: adventurously
[02:42] <yuriy> allee: i'll file a bug then. any idea what package?
[02:43] <allee> yuriy: no, sorry
[02:43] <allee> yuriy: maybe kcontrol is a good start
[02:44] <allee> nite
[02:55] <jjesse> how are things going tonight?
[03:20] <oslo> hi, on feisty i can't get /etc/hosts.deny to work properly i'd like to block errorsafe.com, here my hosts.deny: http://pastebin.com/884939
[03:20] <oslo> coudl u help me ?
[03:28] <Hobbsee> oslo: --> #kubuntu
[03:29] <Hobbsee> or #ubuntu, if there's no answer, as it's not kde specific
[03:38] <oslo> Hobbsee k
[03:39] <Hobbsee> oslo: seeing as this isnt really a support channel
[03:39] <oslo> k k k k
[04:40] <yuriy> just saw this on planetkde: "From the non-sysadmin side of things I've just finished creating tarballs for 3.80.3" :)
[05:54] <yuriy> ok kdevelop or cmake or qmake or whatever this is is dumb
[05:54] <yuriy> it thinks 1.10 is not > 1.6
[08:58] <_StefanS_> morning
[09:09] <sebas> Laser_away: EMail me at sebas@kde.org
[09:09] <Jucato> moin _StefanS_
[09:09] <_StefanS_> hey
[09:21] <yuriy> mornin _StefanS_
[09:22] <_StefanS_> yuriyyyh
[09:22] <_StefanS_> arrgh
[09:22] <hunger> DaSkreech: pong.
[09:22] <yuriy> the bedbugs want you back (bug 85298)
[09:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85298 in kdebase "New KDE logout can't be used with keyboard" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85298
[09:22] <_StefanS_> what the..
[09:22] <yuriy> eh?
[09:24] <_StefanS_> yuriy: they should just update to the latest
[09:25] <yuriy> ooh i didn't notice that!
[09:25] <_StefanS_> they just installed herd4 and then wrote the bugreport without updating their installations
[09:25] <_StefanS_> ubuntu6
[09:25] <yuriy> oops sorry to trouble you
[09:25] <_StefanS_> the latest is ubuntu9
[09:25] <_StefanS_> no problem
[09:27] <yuriy> heh shoulda refreshed the page oops again
[09:27] <yuriy> i should probably go to sleep, night!
[11:45] <Riddell> ash211: why are you editing KubuntuFeistyKde4Plan?
[11:48] <Jucato> he seems to have changed the name for one of the use cases, to match the pronouns...
[11:50] <Riddell> hmmm
[11:54] <Tonio_> hi Riddell ;)
[11:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: bad news concerning kdesktop... neither debian, nore opensuse have the problem
[11:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's kubuntu specific
[11:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've tried to build kdebase without all patches that touch kdesktop code, no change...
[11:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: it may be the langpack locale patch in kdelibs
[11:57] <Riddell> I've no idea why it would only affect kdesktop though
[11:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, that's what I don't understand....
[11:58] <Tonio_> I'm trying to build kdelibs without the patch
[12:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: kubuntu_04_add_langpack_path.diff this one ?
[12:00] <Tonio_> that's an old patch, the problem is not that old... :)
[12:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's the one
[12:01] <Tonio_> hum...
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw, I looked at kdesktop/desktop.cc code, it uses the same Catalog than konqueror, no check of env variables etc....
[12:04] <Tonio_> that's really strange ;)
[12:08] <_StefanS_> hey I just saw that dell launched a poll for the stuff customers would like to see in the future on their systems... funny thing is that Linux is on top of the list, followed by firefox and OOo
[12:08] <_StefanS_> http://www.dellideastorm.com/
[12:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yes I've seen this ;)
[12:10] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I think it really points to a move in the right direction..
[12:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: In about 40 mins, I will devote the rest of the day to that kdesu thing..
[12:12] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hehe
[12:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well work sucks :)
[12:13] <Riddell> _StefanS_: did you see seele was after you about the logout dialogue
[12:13] <_StefanS_> Riddell: nope.. about what ?
[12:14] <Riddell> _StefanS_: button order I think
[12:14] <_StefanS_> Riddell: that wasn't up to me... Hobsee - Tonio and mhb decided upon that.
[12:14] <_StefanS_> Riddell: just give me the wanted order, and will rearrange
[12:14] <_StefanS_> :)
[12:15] <Riddell> :)
[12:17] <_StefanS_> or maybe even awaiting...
[12:18] <Riddell> _StefanS_: I'll change reboot to "back"
[12:19] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the icon you mean
[12:19] <Riddell> yes
[12:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: no problem..
[12:20] <_StefanS_> Riddell: no problem
[12:20] <_StefanS_> oops
[12:20] <Riddell> we're easily confused :)
[12:20] <_StefanS_> indeed
[12:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdelibs currently building... I doubt, but that deserves an attempt...
[12:21] <_StefanS_> Riddell: so what about the order..can you do a decision on that ?
[12:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: something I've also noticed : all process launched via kdesktop are also in english
[12:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: for example if you rightclick/property on a file on the desktop
[12:22] <_StefanS_> Riddell: since you want to use back for the reboot button, what should i then use for the logout ?
[12:22] <_StefanS_> Riddell: which uses back at the moment
[12:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: that leads me to think the issue is while loading libkonq.mo
[12:23] <Riddell> _StefanS_: ah, it was logout I ment
[12:23] <Tonio_> cut/copy/paste, properties etc.... that's libkonq thing
[12:23] <Riddell> _StefanS_: if it has already been done that's sorted
[12:23] <_StefanS_> Riddell: well I think I did that one iteration ago in kdebase*ubuntu8 ..
[12:24] <Tonio_> Riddell:  the problem is that the katalog is loaded... ./desktop.cc:  KGlobal::locale()->insertCatalogue("libkonq");
[12:24] <_StefanS_> Riddell: so then there's just the button order... let me know when/if you want them changed at all.
[12:27] <Riddell> _StefanS_: great, thanks, you'll need to talk to seele about the button order
[12:28] <_StefanS_> seele: so what should the button order be like for the logout ? :)
[12:32] <Riddell> she's probably snoozing, Merkins never seem to get up before midday
[12:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: I also though that could be an issue with kdeinit, but no.... even when launched manually, kdesktop fails....
[12:54] <Riddell> Hobbsee: fancy giving http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4421 a review?
[12:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: who's is it? allee's?
[12:57] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes
[12:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh right, so we cant sync that?
[12:57] <Hobbsee> ahh, it's sitting in debian, gotcha
[12:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: one question - why's the diff so huge?
[12:59] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it includes a buildprep patch with all the automake/autoconf fun
[12:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahhh, right
[01:00] <Riddell> normally I don't use those, but the debian KDE packagers do
[01:00] <Hobbsee> oh, that's a massive patch.  gotcha
[01:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ! I promissed alle to revu this !
[01:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: done.
[01:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: if you're happy with it, i am
[01:01] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you can third ack :P
[01:01] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yup and upload btw ;)
[01:01] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:01] <Hobbsee> yes...i was wondering if someone else could upload, and i could munch on dinner
[01:04] <Tonio_> ack, simply perfect (aka allee)
[01:05] <Riddell> that was quick
[01:05] <Riddell> did you compile it?
[01:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: no, cause I know he did, you did and Hobbsee did
[01:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: Currently building here :)
[01:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just reviewed packaging
[01:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: um, not yet..  assumed you did.
[01:07] <Hobbsee> when you ack'd first
[01:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: don't be affraid, you know I always build everything before upload :)
[01:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just noticed a very simple tweak in the kubuntu deb installer service menu that allows to install deps :)
[01:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: just perform a sudo apt-get -f install after dpkg -i if it responds missing builddeps and that's it
[01:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's that?
[01:08] <Riddell> oh, good plan
[01:09] <Riddell> hardly gdebi, but better than nothing :)
[01:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup ;)
[01:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I need fresh air since that kdesktop thing drives me nuts in fact ;)
[01:09] <Tonio_> I'll write a script for this
[01:10] <Jucato> so no gdebi port for feisty?
[01:11] <Riddell> Jucato: no
[01:11] <Riddell> we should do it for feisty+1 though
[01:11] <Jucato> ah ok. as long as there's something that works :)
[01:11] <Hobbsee> unless Jucato's asking to write it :P
[01:11] <Jucato> heh
[01:11] <Jucato> I'm puzzled though about the default behavior when clicking a .deb in Konqueror
[01:11] <Hobbsee> come to think of it, i'ts probably not that hard.
[01:12] <Hobbsee> if you knew qt
[01:12] <Jucato> Hobbsee: that's a big if... :)
[01:12] <Hobbsee> well, even if you knew part of it
[01:12] <Jucato> right now, I'm not even studying C++ yet... I have so many things to do (personal)
[01:12] <Hobbsee> probably similar to the pizza box example, perhaps
[01:13] <Hobbsee> depends how gdebi works i guess
[01:13] <Riddell> Jucato: it would be in Python
[01:13] <Jucato> pizza box example?
[01:13] <Jucato> ooh... python... O.O
[01:13] <Riddell> the block was the embedded konsole, but that seems to be sorted for the dist-upgrade tool
[01:13] <Hobbsee> what, just use --nofork on it again?
[01:14] <Jucato> oh kool! so now the kubuntu package script will launch when a .deb is clicked? nice
[01:14] <Hobbsee> no...it opens by default in ark.
[01:14] <Hobbsee> that should be changed too, i guess.
[01:14] <Riddell> Hobbsee: the patches to konsole were somewhat longer and more complex than just not forking
[01:14] <Jucato> cool. one less confusion for users :)
[01:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: good point.
[01:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: does that mean that that the patches only need to be used for konsole, or in every app where you want to have an embedded console?
[01:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: they're part of kdelibs and konsole library
[01:17] <Hobbsee> right
[01:18] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ooh, shiny!
[01:20] <Hobbsee> if that'd help
[01:20] <Riddell> yes, you could
[01:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdelibs built without the locales patch
[01:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: unified desktop now, everything is in english hehe :)
[01:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: where should I copy the mo things ?
[01:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: /usr/share/locale (rather than locale-lang)
[01:28] <Tonio_> okay, copying
[01:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: WORKS !!!!!!!!
[01:31] <Tonio_> damn...............
[01:35] <Riddell> well, progress of a sort
[01:35] <Riddell> interesting, gmail works fine in konqueror with the agent set to firefox
[01:35] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: there should be somewhere something looking at /usr/share/locale....
[01:36] <Riddell> well yes, that patch does
[01:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is obviously something hardcoded somewhere....
[01:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've seen horrible things hardcoded in konqueror
[01:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: remember the menus options dissapearing in konqueror ? that was due to hardcoded config .rc name ;)
[01:38] <Tonio_> and we changed it
[01:44] <Tonio_> Riddell:
[01:44] <Tonio_> ./Makefile.in:kde_locale = @kde_locale@
[01:44] <Tonio_> ./Makefile.in:localedir = @localedir@
[01:45] <Tonio_> we can patch this in kdesktop/Makefile.am
[01:46] <Riddell> err, patch what?
[01:46] <Tonio_> force the localedir to /usr/share/locate-langpack
[01:46] <Tonio_> I don't know
[01:46] <Riddell> what's actually the problem?
[01:47] <Tonio_> but well we now know what is breaking it, so I'll find what to fix
[01:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: bah copying everything to /usr/share/locale resolves the kdesktop translation problem
[01:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is obviously something hardcoded in the sources that leads to /usr/share/locale
[01:48] <Riddell> which .mo file is it not loading when the problem occurs?
[01:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't know... I'd say libkonq.mo but I'm unsure
[01:49] <Riddell> strace and find out
[01:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's my plan yes
[01:50] <Riddell> uh oh, I scared him off
[01:51] <Riddell> phew, he came back :)
[01:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: another interesting test to be sure kdesktop was looking at the wrong path
[01:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just left the copied files to /usr/share/locale, and installed patches kdelibs, still working like a charm
[01:51] <Tonio_> so that's obviously a path issue
[01:54] <Riddell> guess addResourceDir("locale", "/usr/share/locale-langpack/", true); doesn't work for insertCatalog()
[01:54] <GNUro> Hello!
[01:54] <Hobbsee> hi
[02:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: +    addResourceDir("locale", "/usr/share/locale-langpack/", true);
[02:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: what about it?
[02:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think the documentation says that addResourceDir shouldn't have a / at the end of the path....
[02:08] <Tonio_> I used it recently for xdg autostart and remember this...
[02:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: well it works in every other case
[02:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know but I don't find any other explanation
[02:08] <Riddell> otherwise you would never see a french desktop
[02:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: is the type "locale" previously defined ?
[02:08] <Riddell> yes
[02:08] <Riddell> worth looking in addCatalogue() in klocale to see what's going on
[02:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I absolutly agree with you, but in that case there is no possible explanation since kdesktop SHOULD obviously work
[02:15] <Riddell> well maybe addCatalogue() doesn't look in the correct resource path
[02:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: one thing : we are behind /usr
[02:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: so technically we don't need absolute path
[02:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I changed your patch to use addResourceType, which uses relative path, instead, just to give a try
[02:21] <Tonio_> +    addResourceType("locale", "share/locale-langpack");
[02:21] <Tonio_> that's the new line...
[02:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: did you upload your new k-d-s?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: no, havent looked at it again yet
[02:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: computer hard froze, so i lost all motivation to do computer stuff, and went to work
[02:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: but that's good, we now know why it fails, and what to look at to get it to work :)
[02:27] <Riddell> Hobbsee: ok, I'll upload
[02:27] <Riddell> did you two come to any decision on the default konversation theme?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i didnt make my final changes yet, either
[02:27] <Hobbsee> keep squares theme, it seems
[02:27] <Tonio_> yup for powerusers
[02:28] <Tonio_> I'll look at doing a better theme eventually :)
[02:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: did you see the comments about the kopete theme
[02:30] <Riddell> that it's included in kopete by default now
[02:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ? nice ;)
[02:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: for kde4 or kde3 svn ?
[02:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: released version
[02:34] <Riddell> jpetso is the man
[02:35] <Riddell> "I noticed that Kubuntu Feisty is using my TotallyClear Kopete style"
[02:35] <Riddell> "I got the style into Kopete 0.12.1 as "No avatars" variant of the Clear style
[02:35] <Riddell> "
[02:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: interesting.... Iim looking
[02:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: no variant on our kopete package...
[02:41] <nixternal> moin
[02:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hooray
[02:43] <nixternal> hip-hip-hooray!
[02:43] <nixternal> for he's a jolly good fellow, for he's a jolly good fellow
[02:43] <Hobbsee> argh...i'm too sleepy for singing...
[02:44] <nixternal> hahaha
[02:44] <nixternal> I just woke up, you are getting ready for bed
[02:44] <Hobbsee> one of the girls at work was offering to serenade us all
[02:44] <Hobbsee> yup
[02:44] <nixternal> hahaha
[02:44] <Hobbsee> dont think she liked that too much...
[02:44] <nixternal> oh well
[02:44] <nixternal> in school this girl sings all the time and it gets on my last nerve
[02:45] <nixternal> I keep trying to give her a piece of gum hoping she will chew that and shut up
[02:46] <nixternal> Riddell: what's up with the Ubiquity Slide Show thing? Is it going to have local documentation or is it going to point the website?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hehe, good luck with that
[02:50] <seele> _StefanS_: ping
[02:50] <_StefanS_> seele: pong
[02:50] <_StefanS_> seele: you had some changes to the button order in logout
[02:51] <seele> _StefanS_: you get my private messages?
[02:51] <_StefanS_> oh :)
[02:51] <_StefanS_> i must be blind
[02:51] <seele> :)
[02:53] <jpetso> Tonio_: The style has been in since Kopete 0.12.1, but I forgot to update the makefiles then, so the fix has only been in for three days
[02:53] <Tonio_> Riddell:
[02:53] <Tonio_>     if (!strcmp(type, "locale"))
[02:53] <Tonio_>         return "share/locale/";
[02:54] <jpetso> Tonio_: here's the patch for Kopete from the 3.5 branch, it will work in Kopete 3.5.7 and later: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdenetwork/kopete/styles/Clear/Contents/Resources/Variants/No_avatars.css?rev=634596&view=rev
[02:54] <Tonio_> shoudln't we patch this instead of kstandarddirs ?
[02:54] <jpetso> Tonio_: for now, you'd have to patch Kopete
[02:54] <Tonio_> jpetso: perfect ;)
[02:56] <Tonio_> jpetso: I'll do that toonight
[02:56] <jpetso> Tonio_: wonderful, thanks a lot!
[02:56] <Tonio_> jpetso: thank you for the work ;)
[02:57] <jpetso> Tonio_: thank you for using my style variation in upstream Kubuntu!
[02:57] <Tonio_> jpetso: I loved it, that's it :)
[02:57] <jpetso> Tonio_: me too :D
[03:03] <seele> Riddell: do you know who works on the Ubuntu logout dialog?
[03:03] <Riddell> seele: no idea, dholbach or seb128 would know
[03:04] <seele> ok
[03:05] <Riddell> it might even be the default gnome one for all I know
[03:06] <_StefanS_> yea I think so too
[03:06] <abattoir> i think it was an SoC project
[03:06] <_StefanS_> oh wait.. no it must be custom
[03:06] <_StefanS_> fc7 logout is one line
[03:07] <abattoir> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/polish-logout-dialog i think
[03:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm testing 2 different patches for kdelibs, hopefully one will work :)
[03:11] <abattoir> http://manucornet.net/ubuntu/#logout_dialog
[03:12] <Tonio_> hum description on mouseover is nice :)
[03:12] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: inspiring ? ^^
[03:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well we decided that it would not have those
[03:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: let me find my log..
[03:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: did you (or hobbsee) upload libkexiv2?
[03:18] <_StefanS_> #kubuntu-devel.log:[Sun Feb 4 2007]  [00:42:18]  <mhb> _StefanS_: the only difference is that we don't use the on mouseover text descriptions like they do
[03:19] <_StefanS_> well mhb, sort of decided that
[03:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: I finished the build, everything's okay I'm uploading now
[03:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: sorry I was still on kdelibs ;)
[03:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: but it shouldn't be a problem to add those tooltips
[03:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: what did you change?
[03:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: on kdelibs ?
[03:23] <Riddell> yes
[03:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: I tried to use addResourceType instead of addResourceDirs
[03:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: if that doesn't work, I'll try to patch kstandarddirs.cpp instead of adding a resource
[03:24] <Tonio_> share/locale/ is hardcoded there
[03:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: first option didn't help...
[03:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: here is the patch to eventually replace your kubuntu_04 :
[03:26] <Tonio_> http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/64
[03:26] <Tonio_> could also work, launching the build now
[03:29] <Riddell> hmm, that would stop it looking in locale/, we still want it to look there as well
[03:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: just a test in the first place
[03:31] <Tonio_> I think kdesktop may use the first path for some reason
[03:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: that just to understand what happens in fact
[03:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: another option that comes to my mind is that a class may eventually don't like the "-" caracter in the path name....
[03:32] <Tonio_> but why only with kdesktop ? that's the big deal...
[03:34] <Tonio_> maybe eventually the addResourceDirs/Type class in fact
[03:49] <zorglu_> q. is there a 'network person/team' for ubuntu ? i mean who decide stuff about network like "no firewall by default" or "netif lo without multicast", this kind of stuff ?where should i look to get an answer to this ? (if here is not the most suitable one)
[03:54] <Riddell> zorglu_: hobbsee is a good person to ask
[03:54] <zorglu_> ok i will, thanks
[03:54] <Riddell> but the no firewall thing is because one isn't needed by default
[03:54] <zorglu_> it was only example, i just wanted to know who should i talk to
[03:54] <Riddell> I don't know about the second one
[03:55] <Riddell> zorglu_: well a distro is a big thing so there's no one person for all questions
[03:56] <zorglu_> well a big thing need organization and to delegate responsability etc.. :) like ubuntu got a kernel team, a loco team, a usability team etc.. i was looking for the network team :)
[04:00] <Riddell> network touches a lot of levels, it's handled by linux people, network-manager people and desktop people
[04:02] <seele> how do you access the katapult context menu?
[04:03] <Riddell> control-c
[04:04] <bddebian> Heya folks
[04:04] <Riddell> one day I'll patch it so you can actually click on it and get a menu
[04:04] <seele> Riddell: ah hah.. good because that was one of my suggestions
[04:04] <seele> (doing a review for Mez)
[04:05] <Riddell> seele: yeah, the control-c thing was only ever temporary, alas nobody has fixed it yet
[04:07] <seele> does searching the fs work by default?  i see an option in the dialog for searching for documents and such, but i cant figure out how to do it
[04:07] <Mez> seele, ?
[04:07] <seele> Mez: this was from over a month ago
[04:07] <seele> just getting to it now
[04:09] <Riddell> seele: yes, but only for files in ~ (and ~/Documents maybe)
[04:11] <seele> ah ok
[04:11] <seele> (i dont have anything in ~/.
[04:11] <Riddell> what a tidy person
[04:11] <Riddell> but you must have directories there
[04:12] <Riddell> type the name of a directory and you can open it
[04:12] <Riddell> it's not a feature I've ever used but
[04:36] <Riddell> hi manchicken, Lure
[04:37] <manchicken> howdy
[04:43] <Jucato> manchicken!! long time :)
[04:44] <Lure> hi Riddell
[04:44] <Riddell> hola Lure
[04:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's a nightmare, even when patching the "locale" type directly, it doesn't work...
[04:52] <manchicken> Jucato: Holidays are nice... especially when they're extended ^_^
[04:52] <Jucato> hahah
[04:53] <manchicken> Had to get rid of a cat.  I'm bummed to all hell.
[04:53] <Jucato> O.o
[04:53] <manchicken> Dacia's trying to find a place that won't murder her... harder than it sounds.
[05:02] <Tonio_> +  if (mainCatalogue.contains("desktop") == 0) {
[05:02] <Tonio_> +    if (maincatalogue) {
[05:02] <Tonio_> +      mainCatalogue = QString::fromLatin1(maincatalogue);
[05:02] <Tonio_> +    }
[05:02] <Tonio_> +  }
[05:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's it !!!!!!!!!!
[05:02] <Tonio_> kdesktop contains desktop !!!
[05:02] <Tonio_> kubuntu_56_langpacks_desktop_files.diff
[05:02] <Tonio_> it is this patch in fact !
[05:03] <Tonio_> and that's why it is not loaded....
[05:03] <Riddell> err, huh?
[05:03] <Riddell> oh
[05:03] <Riddell> oops :)
[05:03] <Tm_T> Tonio_: Put pants back on.
[05:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: ;)
[05:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: this morning when it worked I removed 2 patches not one, that's why it fixed this :)
[05:04] <Tonio_> I just re-read that patch to be sure...
[05:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: what to change btw to get it to work ?
[05:05] <Tonio_> 2 days to find this........
[05:06] <Tonio_> if (mainCatalogue.contains("desktop") == 0 or mainCatalogue.contains("kdesktop") == 1) {
[05:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that correct for you ?
[05:07] <Riddell> s/or/||/
[05:07] <Tonio_> hum, okay :)
[05:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: testing
[05:10] <Tonio_> this time it'll be okay I think :)
[05:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: another big bug on your list I could eventually look at ?
[05:31] <Riddell> install-mp3 still needs fixed
[05:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay will do
[05:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: did you upload libkexiv2?
[05:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, pending in NEW now
[05:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: how about that kopete theme?
[05:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: will do the changes in kopete and kds toonight
[05:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: just a matter of makefiles to patch and kopeterc file to update
[05:47] <DaSkreech> hunger: reping :)
[05:51] <DaSkreech> :-(
[06:16] <Riddell> Tm_T: about to kickban genjix2 from #kubuntu?
[06:18] <Riddell> apokryphos: kickban :)
[06:18] <DaSkreech> He's back?
[06:18] <apokryphos> a ban evader?
[06:19] <Tm_T> Riddell: :O
[06:20] <apokryphos> Riddell: I was going to give him a warning and watch him, but if he's a previous offender then I can if you like
[06:21] <Tm_T> apokryphos: Gone already.
[06:21] <apokryphos> 8)
[06:21] <Tm_T> His response was IMO enough.
[06:21] <DaSkreech> That's going to seem harsh to onlookers
[06:22] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: What is?
[06:22] <DaSkreech> banning him for whining
[06:23] <Riddell> whining about CoC is bannable
[06:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdesktop fixed, uploading kdelibs
[06:24] <Tm_T> If someone says "I won't look rules, I don't care" then IMO it's just all you need to get ban. <3
[06:24] <DaSkreech> Oh he didn't want to read COC?
[06:24] <Tm_T> 19:18 < genjix2> I aint reading all that text.
[06:24] <DaSkreech> Oh right he said that before :)
[06:25] <DaSkreech> Yeah I saw that I didn't see what it was in relation to
[06:25] <Riddell> most annying thing is that I can't kick people
[06:25] <Tm_T> Riddell: You can't?
[06:25] <Riddell> "Channel not fully synchronized yet, try again after a while"
[06:25] <Riddell> I've been getting that for about a month
[06:26] <Tm_T> Nice.
[06:26] <Tm_T> Riddell: Tried another server?
[06:26] <Tm_T> Or hrr, could it be clientside...
[06:26] <apokryphos> buggy irssi version?
[06:27] <Riddell> no idea
[06:27] <Tm_T> apokryphos: There's no "buggy irssi version", there's no releases that often. =)
[06:27] <apokryphos> 8)
[06:27] <Tm_T> apokryphos: Irssi releases are like Debian releases, you wait until hell is frozen.
[06:28] <apokryphos> Riddell: how about if you use /remove ?
[06:28] <Tm_T> apokryphos: There's no such command in irssi IIRC.
[06:29] <apokryphos> it's a Freenode thing
[06:29] <Tm_T> Yup, so that would mean /quote remove blah blah maybe
[06:29] <Tm_T> But last time I tried it, no luck.
[06:30] <apokryphos> yeah, works fine with quote
[06:31] <apokryphos> just /quote remove #channel user Reason
[06:31] <apokryphos> in which case you want an alias of course: /r user reason :P
[06:31] <Tm_T> Hmm, somewhere I can try?
[06:31] <apokryphos> Tm_T: #apokryphos
[06:31] <Tm_T> Roger.
[06:32] <Tm_T> Hmm, seems to work.
[06:32] <Tm_T> Thanks.
[06:32] <apokryphos> np
[06:33] <Tm_T> That's also serverside thing so prolly won't work with Riddell but worth to try.
[06:34] <Tm_T> apokryphos: <-
[06:35] <Tm_T> Aand seems to work, thanks. :)
[06:36] <apokryphos> cool
[06:37] <Tm_T> Though needs channel given everytime, that if it could take automatically would be good.
[06:38] <apokryphos> yeah, I'm sure there's a variable for that
[06:38] <apokryphos> $chan.name in kvirc
[06:38] <Tm_T> There is, can't remember.
[06:38] <Riddell> DaSkreech: that answer should be changed to include amarok as well as banshee
[06:38] <DaSkreech> Good point
[06:39] <DaSkreech>  and Songbird eventually
[06:39] <Tm_T> apokryphos: Ok, more testing
[06:39] <DaSkreech> wait. Amarok does daap now?
[06:41] <Tm_T> IIRC yes.
[06:41] <Riddell> if you can work out how, the usability of it is horendous
[06:42] <Tm_T> apokryphos: Hum, remove line?
[06:42] <apokryphos> what do you mean?
[06:54] <DaSkreech> Where do I configure /turn on DAAP?
[06:54] <DaSkreech> Is it a server or a client or both?
[06:55] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: amarok.kde.org might tell, I have no idea what it is.
[06:55] <DaSkreech> Will do let me just send a e-mail
[06:55] <Tm_T> Hmm, I'm about to remove renzo, ok?
[06:56] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: He's trying to get to bed just tell him to go :)
[06:56] <DaSkreech> If he is still talking then toss him
[07:00] <Tm_T> Didn't take whole sentence :(
[07:00] <Tm_T>  /remove renzo Have a good sleep, you'll need it
[07:01] <Tm_T> "Have"
[07:02] <Tm_T> Oh well, I'll fix that later.
[07:06] <apokryphos> we'll steal nalioth's stuff later, don't worry :P
[07:06] <DaSkreech>  /remove renzo "When that verbal diarrhea clears up please come back" perhaps?
[07:06] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: Nope.
[07:07] <Tm_T> And Konquer the world! Muhahhhaha!!1
[07:11] <DaSkreech> I don't know if we should be fish://ing in nalioth's stuff for konquest
[07:18] <Tm_T> Bah, my iPaq doesn't play rm files. :(
[07:19] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: No good I can't see *.kde.org
[07:20] <Tm_T> ?
[07:20] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: That's evil.
[07:20] <DaSkreech> tell me about it
[07:20] <Tm_T> But you can connect those by using ip?
[07:21] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: Ok, I'
[07:21] <DaSkreech> trying now
[07:21] <Tm_T> ll paste that text somewhere, keep your pants on.
[07:22] <DaSkreech> Well the IP gives me kollide :)
[07:23] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: http://www.tm-travolta.net/tekstit/amarok-daap.txt
[07:23] <DaSkreech> If I ping kde.org by itself it comes back as jamaica.kde.org Thats rich
[07:23] <Tm_T> That's pretty much what I find.
[07:26] <DaSkreech> Ok So it's not a DAAP Server then
[07:26] <DaSkreech> So it shouldn't be listed under !itunes
[07:30] <DaSkreech> ?
[07:30] <DaSkreech> So I can't see *.kde.org sites unless it's a wiki?
[07:30] <DaSkreech> Wha?
[07:32] <Riddell> DaSkreech: there is a daap server
[07:32] <DaSkreech> I'm checking it out on the wiki
[07:32] <DaSkreech> If it's not trivially turned on by default on a Kubuntu install I don't think that !itunes should promote amarok either
[08:04] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Who made the choice to ship with all repos on by default?
[08:04] <fdoving> that doesn't make sense.
[08:04] <fdoving> must be a bug.
[08:06] <DaSkreech> fdoving: Hmm?
[08:06] <Riddell> DaSkreech: whoever wrote the spec
[08:07] <DaSkreech> So Ubuntu does that as well?
[08:07] <DaSkreech> fdoving: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Herd4/Kubuntu#head-2c2918d58af88f9d0692489f115d6ca93e9716f2
[08:08] <Riddell> DaSkreech: yes
[08:08] <DaSkreech> Ah Must have missed that
[08:08] <Riddell> https://blueprints.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/enabling-additional-components
[08:09] <Riddell> without the beta
[08:36] <fdoving> DaSkreech: ok, i'm totaly against that idea, but anyway. probably not a bug anyway then.
[08:37] <DaSkreech> fdoving: Well to be fair they are not turned on in Ubuntu
[09:17] <mhb> hi all
[09:20] <DaSkreech> yo
[09:20] <yuriy> hi
[09:23] <yuriy> *sigh* my brain is on vacation (at least it gets to be :) ) i just wrote "Thank you for filing this bug?"
[09:24] <DaSkreech> Did someone actually file a bug?
[09:26] <DaSkreech> Riddell: DAAP server code is there but broken. It's fixed on HEAD
[09:26] <DaSkreech>  Looks like amarok 2.0
[09:29] <Tm_T> Current svn trunk is for KDE4 yes.
[09:30] <DaSkreech> are you responding to someone?
[09:42] <fdoving> gah.. i can't get the distupgrader tool to work.
[09:42] <fdoving> it simply doesn't appear when i run adept updater.
[09:43] <fdoving> Riddell: how is the running distro version checked? lsb_release ?
[09:47] <fdoving> ah, it doesn't run well with kdesu... the distupgrader can't connect to X.
[09:52] <DaSkreech> lsb_release -a I think
[09:52] <fdoving> within adept?
[09:52] <fdoving> let me rephrase.
[09:53] <fdoving> does adept use that to determine the running distro?
[09:54] <DaSkreech> that I have no clue I guess a grep through the sources would reveal all
[09:55] <fdoving> i was hoping for a shortcut :)
[09:55] <DaSkreech> Poking manchicken?
[09:56] <manchicken> Mmm... I like poking.
[09:56] <fdoving> he's alive!
[09:56] <manchicken> No, I'm dead and still enjoy a good poking.
[09:56] <fdoving> manchicken: how does adept check the running distro version?
[09:57] <manchicken> (wow, that sounds really bad)
[09:57] <manchicken> meta-releases is the file it checks IIRC.
[09:57] <manchicken> It's hardcoded (much to my angry violent distaste)
[09:57] <fdoving> wherei sthat file?
[09:57] <manchicken> Look in the adept/kubuntu_upgrader tree
[09:57] <manchicken> It's like upgrader.cpp
[09:58] <fdoving> oh, the running release is hardcoded into adept?
[09:58] <DaSkreech> Woah that's not goodish
[09:58] <manchicken> Didn't look that deep...
[09:58] <manchicken> I don't think that one is hard-coded.
[09:58] <manchicken> I think that's derived.
[09:58] <fdoving> so adept 2.1.1 expects you to be running dedgy?
[09:58] <manchicken> But the meta-releases vile on the ubuntu.com site is hardcoded.
[09:58] <fdoving> ok, but that's for the available releases.
[09:59] <manchicken> Well, it's not that it expects it so much as it doesn't know how to handle something that's not in meta-releases.
[09:59] <manchicken> It'll assume you're using boary and it'll segfault due to a missing error check.
[09:59] <fdoving> doesn't it know what it self is?
[09:59] <manchicken> I've already patched and fixed that though.
[09:59] <manchicken> I thought that was already up on feisty...
[10:00] <fdoving> i'm trying to upgrade a edgy box with this tool and it fails.
[10:00] <manchicken> Oh, JR's tool?
[10:00] <fdoving> i had a few feisty packages installed, and i also have the deb-src lines for feisty and all.
[10:00] <manchicken> He said there's a modification it requires.
[10:00] <manchicken> I can't remember what it is.
[10:01] <manchicken> I did my upgrade manually, and I would advise against it if you can get JR's tool working.
[10:01] <fdoving> how does adpet know when to popup the 'new distro available' wizard?
[10:01] <fdoving> it must somehow know what distro itself is.
[10:01] <manchicken> It fetches the meta-releases file on ubuntu.com and compares the date for the most recent release with the date of the release it thinks you're currently on.
[10:01] <manchicken> Yeah, I can't remember how it derives that.
[10:02] <fdoving> how does it 'think' what i'm on, that's what i'm looking for.
[10:02] <manchicken> It's probably in the apt lib or dpkg thing....
[10:04] <manchicken> I believe you could apt-get source adept, change from meta-releases to meta-somethingelse and it'll work.
[10:04] <manchicken> I'm not sure what somethingelse is right off the top of my head though.
[10:04] <fdoving> that's not the problem.
[10:04] <manchicken> What is the problem?
[10:05] <fdoving> to know what adept uses to figure out it's own version, edgy vs. feisty.
[10:05] <manchicken> Gimme a second.
[10:05] <fdoving> i'm downgrading all feisty packages to edgy now, but it's a waste  if i could s/feisty/edgy/ and it would work.
[10:08] <manchicken> cat /etc/lsb-release
[10:08] <fdoving> ok, thanks.  :)
[10:08] <manchicken> np ^_^
[10:09] <fdoving> yay.. it works.
[10:09] <fdoving> (so far.)
[10:13] <manchicken> heh
[10:14] <fdoving> looks promising, 'Fetching and installing the upgrades' now.
[10:15] <manchicken> Nice.
[10:20] <manchicken> notsosoft.net :P
[10:20] <manchicken> Are there plans to bring iceweasel in?
[10:21] <_StefanS_> evenings
[10:21] <manchicken> howdy
[10:21] <mhb> manchicken: why should we? :o)
[10:22] <mhb> manchicken: there's no need, I guess.
[10:22] <manchicken> mhb: Because I want to see it, and we should do everything exactly as I--the dictator of all of the known universe--command.
[10:22] <manchicken> Behold your feathery leader.
[10:22] <manchicken> heh
[10:22] <manchicken> Naw, I just hear folks talking about it, thought it'd be neat to pull it in.
[10:22] <_StefanS_> manchicken: hey I thought you were lost in time or space... You didn't get the package yet ?
[10:23] <manchicken> _StefanS_: Not yet.  I was on holiday.
[10:23] <manchicken> Got back last night.
[10:23] <DaSkreech> manchicken: I'd prefere seamonkey
[10:23] <_StefanS_> manchicken: ah that was what I figured :)
[10:23] <DaSkreech>  I'm still at a loss as to why that isn't in the repos
[10:23] <manchicken> DaSkreech: I'd like all of them.
[10:23] <manchicken> choice++
[10:23] <DaSkreech> Yeah but right now choice == firefox which sucks
[10:24] <manchicken> Well, I use konq almost exclusively.
[10:24] <fdoving> i do too, because of the excellent webshortcuts.
[10:25] <fdoving> qt3:qstring for example. :)
[10:25] <DaSkreech> I guess I meant for gecko browsers
[10:25] <manchicken> Yeah.
[10:25] <manchicken> Yeah, FF is what folks seem to go for on gecko browsers.
[10:25] <DaSkreech> Except it's seriously sucky now
[10:25] <DaSkreech>  I'd much prefere seamonkey
[10:25] <DaSkreech> In a grand show of irony it uses less ram
[10:26] <manchicken> I'd like to see that and iceweasel.
[10:26] <manchicken> And one of the other variants that may or may not rock a little harder.
[10:28] <fdoving> i have to go be a family man, bye.
[10:28] <manchicken> You say that like it's a bad thing ^_^
[10:28] <DaSkreech> anyone know anything about xlibs?
[10:28] <DaSkreech> fdoving: You are going to try start a family now?
[10:29] <fdoving> manchicken: you read it like it's a bad thing :)
[10:29] <manchicken> _StefanS_: How did you ship those to me?  Standard post?  UPS?
[10:29] <manchicken> fdoving: It has its moments ^_^
[10:29] <_StefanS_> manchicken: well its through Pan Nordic Logistics, but I dont know who they work with in the US
[10:29] <elcuco> Riddell: ping
[10:29] <fdoving> DaSkreech: i have a family i try to keep :)
[10:29] <manchicken> Ah.
[10:29] <manchicken> It may take a while.
[10:29] <elcuco> Riddell: saw your blog about kdesktop translations... what was the problem?
[10:29] <manchicken> I hope it gets here in the next two weeks.
[10:30] <manchicken> I'm moving on the 7th.
[10:30] <_StefanS_> manchicken: should be 5-6 days total. From what I can see it departed the airport in copenhagen
[10:30] <manchicken> Good.
[10:30] <manchicken> Silly Nederlanders.
[10:30] <toma> wat?
[10:30] <manchicken> heh
[10:30] <DaSkreech> Xlibs?
[10:30] <DaSkreech> !find xlibs
[10:30] <ubotu> Found: xlibs-dev, xlibs-static-dev, xlibs-data
[10:31] <manchicken> !find beer
[10:31] <DaSkreech> xlibs-data is a transitional to what?
[10:31] <ubotu> File beer found in gerstensaft
[10:31] <manchicken> Nice.
[10:31] <_StefanS_> manchicken: you can use http://pannordic.com/ to track the package (as I wrote to you)
[10:31] <manchicken> Okay, you shot me an email?
[10:31] <manchicken> I haven't checked my personal messages yet.
[10:31] <_StefanS_> manchicken: yes, quite some days ago
[10:32] <_StefanS_> manchicken: ok, just check it out then, the TT number is there too
[10:32] <manchicken> Last night we had to find a new home for a cat that keeps making messages resulting in expensive property damages.
[10:32] <manchicken> So I wasn't in a very pleasant mood.
[10:33] <mhb> Tonio_: nice work
[10:33] <_StefanS_> well hope the cat got a good home
[10:33] <manchicken> I think it did.
[10:33] <mhb> Tonio_: I was looking at that problem too a day or two ago ... but you found it out faster :o)
[10:34] <manchicken> We've got another cat that wasn't making messes.
[10:34] <manchicken> We're keeping that one.
[10:34] <manchicken> Might be a one-kitty family for a little while.
[10:34] <_StefanS_> manchicken: so they couldn't get along, or something ?
[10:35] <manchicken> They got along fine, but one of them just kept going on the furniture and carpets.
[10:35] <manchicken> My allergies have been killing me for some time as a result.
[10:36] <manchicken> Nothing like waking up to a sinus headache and red-eye.
[10:36] <_StefanS_> manchicken: ah well then it was probably for the best
[10:36] <manchicken> I think so.
[10:36] <manchicken> Still hard.
[10:36] <_StefanS_> manchicken: so now you can see the screen again, when its out of the house ;)
[10:36] <manchicken> Yeah.  heh
[10:38] <_StefanS_> now why the heck wont kde4 compile from svn....
[10:38] <_StefanS_> wasnt there somewhere you could track those compile errorss
[10:38] <_StefanS_> on IRC or something
[10:44] <DaSkreech> can we vote on what goes in commercial ?
[10:44] <DaSkreech> repos
[10:45] <manchicken> I really think we should be careful which proggies we have in our non-free repos.
[10:46] <manchicken> It would be bad to promote a non-free product, particularly if it has a viable Free software alternative.
[11:40] <mhb> Riddell: did you fix the kdesktop bug?
[11:40] <mhb> Riddell: I've seen you and Tonio_ worked on that one
[11:41] <mhb> Riddell: should I mark the corresponding bug as Fix Committed?
[11:42] <Riddell> mhb: yes, tonio did
[11:44] <mhb> Riddell: thanks to both of you for that, it was a problematic one for me, too ... I even tried to find the cause but you were faster :o)
[11:48] <mhb> will the new apport crash handler for KDE be translatable for Feisty?