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LaserJockhi Hobbsee 12:17
tonyyarussoGPLd programs have the GPL PREAMBLE in copyright, correct? The bit about the purpose of the license?12:17
Hobbseeheya LaserJock :)12:17
LaserJockand a link to the full license12:17
LaserJockdarn it, stupid bug, why won't you show up?!? :/12:21
LaserJockI go and get help on how to diagnose the stupid thing and it won't show up12:22
gesera heisenbug :)12:23
bddebianOK, enblend officially sucks12:23
LaserJocksome mysterious key mapping in KDE that makes my computer shut down12:23
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Hobbseeyou have checked the global shortcuts, presumably?12:27
LaserJockumm, no12:28
HobbseeLaserJock: system settings, keyboard, global shortcuts12:29
bddebianGoddamn I'm an idiot.  gudjon, you still here?12:29
Hobbseejust see if there's anything there under shutting down, etc12:29
Hobbseeparticularly "halt without confirmation" or "reboot without confirmation"12:29
tonyyarussoAll right, what on earth are the emacs .ex files for?12:31
gesertonyyarusso: .ex like example?12:32
tonyyarussogeser: Yeah.  Like debian/emacsen-install.ex12:32
_ionI usually just rm debian/{*.{ex,EX},README,dirs} unless there's something i need.12:32
LaserJockHobbsee: hmm, I do see them12:33
HobbseeLaserJock: do they hvea a shortcut listed next to them?12:33
LaserJockHobbsee: yeah12:34
Hobbseewhat is it?12:34
LaserJockbut I'm not sure I would have hit them, they are kinda long12:34
Hobbseeif you'd mashed the keyboard, you may have.  *shrug812:34
_ionREADME.Debian, that is.12:34
LaserJockAlt+Ctrl+Shift+PgUP is the one that'd do it12:34
LaserJockyeah, that one is12:35
Hobbseei'd take it out, anyway :P12:35
Hobbseejust to be sure12:35
LaserJockI often hit Shift+PgUp12:35
tonyyarussoeeep, I gotta write a manpage?  (How frowned upon is it to just put a link to the docs web site?  It's not really a switched kind of thing, afaik)12:35
LaserJocktonyyarusso: it's fairly easy to make a simple one12:36
ScottKOnly the first man page is hard.  Once you've done one it's no harder than doing a readme.12:36
tonyyarussoLaserJock: Right..I hope :)12:36
LaserJocktonyyarusso: the general rule is to have a man page for every binary you put into /usr/{,s}bin/12:36
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tonyyarussoWhat's wrong with LJHOME=/home/anthony/Desktop/lj_example12:43
tonyyarussoexport $LJHOME12:43
tonyyarusso-bash: export: `/home/anthony/Desktop/lj_example': not a valid identifier12:43
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tonyyarussoLaserJock: erm, what if I honestly don't know what it puts in /usr/bin?  :P12:49
tonyyarusso(something hates me today...)12:49
crimsuntonyyarusso: export FOO=blah, not export $FOO=blah12:51
crimsunyou could, of course, just pass it directly, too...12:52
tonyyarussocrimsun: Ah, there we go.  (I misread something..)12:53
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Q-FUNKany advice for debian Bug#411580 ?  it also affects ubuntu...12:59
Q-FUNKand debian bug 409356 too01:00
UbugtuDebian bug 409356 in cups-pdf "cups-pdf: allows unprivileged user to read parts of any file" [Critical,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/40935601:00
Q-FUNKdebian bug 41158001:00
UbugtuDebian bug 411580 in cups-pdf "cups-pdf: 2.4.2-2 broke functionality" [Grave,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/41158001:00
ajmitchinteresting bugs01:00
Q-FUNKit seems a tradeoff between usability and security.01:01
ajmitchallowing users to read any files.. hm01:01
Q-FUNKpart of the issue is caused by cups' fucked up architecture01:02
LaserJocktonyyarusso: dpkg -c on the .deb will show you what it's installing01:02
tonyyarussoLaserJock: I don't have a .deb yet ;)01:02
ajmitchseems that vorlon wasn't happy with you making it suid-root01:02
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Q-FUNKajmitch: never kind vorlon.  the problem is that suid root is the only way to make it work on ubuntu and several other derivatives.01:03
ajmitchyet reading sensitive files is *really* a bad thing01:03
Q-FUNKbut so is cups' overall arcitecture01:04
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ajmitchsure, but cups is crap :)01:04
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bddebianOK I'm really freakin' sick of networking under feisty01:05
Q-FUNKwe all know this, but there's hardly any usable replacement01:05
ajmitchbddebian: isn't it fun?01:05
ajmitchbddebian: ease your tensions & review some packages instead01:06
tonyyarussoI need debian/rules to call a script in the source directory before doing anything else.  Is a line of ../bootstrap.pl at the top of rules right/01:08
Q-FUNKajmitch: pitti was CC on this bug.  let's see what he has to say.01:08
ajmitchyou can't have rules like that outside of a make target01:08
bddebianajmitch: I'm trying to but my Edgy machine apparently doesn't have enough memory for this POS enblend package and I can't get my feisty machine back on the fucking network01:08
ajmitchdo it at the top of configure, or if necessary (and only if necessary) at the top of clean:01:08
ajmitchor in clean:01:09
ajmitchbddebian: not that much has changed in feisty for networking01:09
hubmaybe we should fork cups to fix it?01:09
Q-FUNKhub: ubuntu did that to some extent already.  it's actually debian that would need t merge ubuntu's changes01:10
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Q-FUNKhub: since kmuto already said that he was dropping maintenance after Etch's release, it's quite lkely that pitti will take over and merge what's left of the ubuntu changes.01:11
hubthat end up being a good news01:11
Q-FUNKhub: however, it still doesn't fix cups' fucked up architecture.01:11
ajmitchpoor pitti01:11
tonyyarussoajmitch: there is no configure or anything until that is run it seems.01:11
ajmitchtonyyarusso: there will be01:11
hubQ-FUNK: yeah. I don't have wonderfull memories of cups01:12
ajmitchif you're using cdbs, they'll just be hidden away somewhere & you need to hook things in the right place01:12
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tonyyarussoajmitch: eh?  Sorry, this is my first go at this, and I'm a tad confused.  Attempting to use debhelper and pbuilder.01:12
hubI don't know how I had this cups installed on it01:12
Q-FUNKhub: cups is fantastic as a user/administrator experience.  dead-easy to use.  however, the architecture is not safe and the code sloppy.01:12
ajmitchtonyyarusso: then there must be a configure rule in debian/rules01:13
hubQ-FUNK: it other issues as well01:13
hubQ-FUNK: having written a "product" around it in the past01:13
ajmitchhm actually, there may not be01:13
ajmitchbut there should be a binary rules in there01:13
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bddebianajmitch: OK, then tell me why it was working, I reboot and now it's not? :-)01:13
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ajmitchbddebian: because you broke it01:14
Q-FUNKhub: of course, forkinf the damn thing and re-writing it clean could be worth it; save the suer and admin experience, but end up with a clean and safe architecture.01:14
hubQ-FUNK: gnome-cups-manager also gave me headaches01:14
tonyyarussoajmitch: yes, I see a line of "configure: configure-stamp", with dh_testdir and touch configure-stamp under it.01:14
ajmitchbddebian: you know how I hate it when people report a problem of 'not working'?01:14
ajmitchtonyyarusso: right, you may get away with sticking the bootstrap rule in there - it shouldn't need ../ either01:14
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tonyyarussoajmitch: I'll try.  /me crosses fingers...this package seems odd01:15
ajmitchyou can't do anything at build time that requires network access, or writing outside of the build tree01:15
tonyyarussoAll the script does is create a pile of files, which SHOULD be done by untarring, but hey.01:16
ajmitchcan it not be done before you create the source package?01:16
ajmitchwhich does add things to the .diff.gz, etc01:16
tonyyarussoHonestly, I'm not sure.01:17
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bddebianOK, where the hell did the wmaster0 device come from?01:20
jdongbddebian: did you try putting a ralink card in Master mode or something?01:21
bddebianI didn't do shit but dist-upgrade01:22
jdonghey let's blame it on NetworkManager!01:22
jdongno kernel/networking stuff happened yesterday/today?01:23
jdongI mean there was a lrm yesterday of unrelated changes01:23
LaserJockbddebian: what kind of network setup? ethernet with DHCP?01:24
bddebianwireless static01:24
bddebianUsing control panel jacks up the configuration every time so I whack it by hand01:25
LaserJockah, that killed me too01:25
bddebianWhich has been working up until today01:25
LaserJockcan you  use DHCP?01:25
bddebianI'd prefer not to but I can01:25
LaserJockI got around it by setting my router 's DHCP to give my machine a static IP 01:26
LaserJockso on the machine's end it's still DHCP01:26
LaserJockit just always get's the same IP01:26
bddebianI could never get the wireless to detect the essid without doing it by hand01:26
bddebianIt's a stupid broadcom wireless :-(01:26
_ionI don't really care about what addresses the boxes in my local network get. I call them by name anyway.01:26
RAOFI need to get stable IPs for port forwarding :)01:27
LaserJock_ion: my problem is I have a few ports forwarded from the DSL router01:27
_ionI have a box in DMZ for a reason. ;-)01:27
bddebianRAOF: Exactly ;-)01:27
RAOFNow that my router isn't broken, I can finally use Avahi.  Yay.01:27
RAOFHardware sucks almost as much as software :(01:28
LaserJockbddebian: you could always uninstall/turn off Network Manager01:28
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jdongfor a LAN DHCP should be fairly constant01:31
jdongunless you have a lot of computers01:32
jdongand really short lease-times01:32
jdongand _ion dmz's aren't as magical as they are advertised to be01:32
RAOFOr you just set up the DHCP server to offer fixed IPs based on MAc.01:32
jdong_ion: especially with UDP traffic it loves to eat packets as if they were "magical dmz sequences"01:32
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jdongRAOF: provided that's a supported feature :)01:33
RAOFjdong: Hardware sucks :)01:33
RAOFParticularly: my Netgear router.  For some reason, it killed Avahi until I updated the firmware.01:34
Lathiatlikely eats multicast01:34
Lathiator IGMP01:34
Lathiatmost routers that break it have an option for that01:34
jdongLathiat: no, it begins thinking some raw data is a TCP header and "does the favor" of replacing "IP addresses"01:36
Lathiater, heh01:37
jdongTCP hates it too; I've had cases of stalled transfers of multi-GB data in predictable spots because of it.01:37
jdong"gaming mode" / "DMZ" both can do that :(01:37
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jdongsolution: SSH transfer... randomizes failure spots01:37
jdongor turn off DMZ :P01:37
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RAOFI suggest a sword.  It's cooler.01:55
zulhey Laser_away 01:56
zulstupid tab completion01:56
LaserJocksorry zul01:57
tonyyarussoLaserJock: So this package I was attempting, seems not to be in the usual format, so I'm not quite sure how I'm supposed to proceed.  http://www.livejournal.org/download/code/livejournal-2003082500.tar.gz01:58
LaserJocktonyyarusso: I like the README.txt02:06
tonyyarussoLaserJock: Yeah, that's a goodie.02:07
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_ionjdong: Uh. I'm not sure we're talking about the same DMZ.02:08
jdong_ion: where it assumes packets directed at the router not being explicitly forwarded will get implicitly forwarded to a particular port or IP?02:09
jdong_ion: yeah, that one.'02:09
_ionjdong: I have three interfaces in my gw: net, LAN and DMZ.02:09
jdongsome routers/setups do it better than others02:09
jdongbut average appliance off the consumer shelves sucks for it02:10
_ionAnd only certain traffic is explicitly forwarded to the box in DMZ.02:10
jdongok then we speak of different DMZ02:10
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jdongstore-bought router DMZ = implicit port forwarding02:10
jdongvia IP header rewrite02:10
jdongD-Link calls it 'gaming mode' IIRC02:10
jdongapparently data corruption is a game now.02:11
_ionAlso, there's no rule there can't be multiple machines in the DMZ.02:12
jdong_ion: DMZ in the true sense yeah :)02:12
jdongI was assuming you meant the router-in-a-blue-box DMZ :)02:13
_ionMy router is in a boring grey PC box and it's running OpenBSD. :-)02:13
jdongthat's sweet :)02:14
LaserJocktonyyarusso: I don't think you picked a trivial package to make ;-)02:15
tonyyarussoLaserJock: Dangnabit!  hehe, better luck next time I guess.02:15
LaserJocktonyyarusso: I think you might want to look at some similar apackages, mediawiki coms to mind02:15
tonyyarussoLaserJock: That makes me feel a little better though - a sign that it's not just me being utterly incompetent.02:15
Q-FUNKI think that vorlon managed to ensure his place in a graveyard with his last reply to debian bug 41158002:16
UbugtuDebian bug 411580 in cups-pdf "cups-pdf: 2.4.2-2 broke functionality" [Grave,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/41158002:16
LaserJocktonyyarusso: but I think you should be able to run that bootstrap first and then do what you need to do to install stuff to the right place02:17
tonyyarussoLaserJock: So just run the bootstrap, pretend it came like that, and then do wiki instructions from there?02:17
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HobbseeQ-FUNK: heh.  ouch02:20
Q-FUNKHobbsee: vorlon has just revealed himself to be an explicit Ubuntu hater who wouldn't hesitate to NMU a package if he disagrees with something that was inserted to support Ubuntu out of the box.02:21
LaserJocktonyyarusso: you should be able to run the bootstrap from  debian/rules ok02:21
LaserJockQ-FUNK: well, saying it's more important to have it work in Debian than Ubuntu makes sense from a Debian point of view02:22
tonyyarussoLaserJock: I guess I'll have to futz a bit - not as hopeful of meeting the Thurs. deadline anymore, oh well.02:22
Q-FUNKLaserJock: in anotther bug, he explicitely said that he doesn't give a damn about making it work for ubuntu.  he doesn't care if a maintainer wants to avoid a fork.02:23
LaserJockthat's sad02:25
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LaserJockHobbsee: is there anyway to have better control over default applications other than Default Applications? :-)02:37
HobbseeLaserJock: um....02:38
Hobbseeyes and no02:38
Hobbseeie, you can select a file, right click, say "open with..." pick app, clikc the option that says "always open with this program"02:38
LaserJockin gnome you can select from a list02:39
LaserJockbut in Default Applications it looks like I have to know the exact command to execute02:39
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LaserJockin particular I want thunderbird and Firefox02:39
Hobbseeclick the ..., then you can select it from the menu, iirc?02:39
jdongHobbsee: that's a KDE feature.... We decided to make USB unmount safely first.02:40
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jdongbut GNOME is so simple! you _JUST_ go and edit the mime files......02:40
bddebianOK it's a damn firmware problem02:41
jdongas opposed to an undamned one.02:41
RAOFIsn't firmware fun.02:42
LaserJockHobbsee: ahh, that's better. I thought the ... was a file dialog02:43
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blueCommandhm.. how long time does it take for new pkgs to show up in the REVU?02:52
blueCommand15 min since i used dput :S02:53
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HobbseeblueCommand: are you in the http://tinyurl.com/fgpgy group?03:01
blueCommandIt says "Leave the Team" on the right atleast so I assume I am :)03:02
zakamemorning all03:03
zakamehi blueCommand Hobbsee03:05
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blueCommandHobbsee, Since this is my first package, I'm bound to have missed something :)03:06
Talaman"the greeting application appears to be crashing" is the error i get, any ideas?03:08
blueCommandMy nice chances file is in ftp://revu.tauware.de/incoming/rejected03:09
RAOFTalaman: That you ask the question again, in a support channel?  Is this the channel you meant to post that in?03:10
Talamanin any channel someone may be able to help03:10
LaserJockblueCommand: which package?03:10
RAOFThat's not this channel.  It's either #ubuntu (if you're using Dapper (6.06) or Edgy (6.10)), or #ubuntu+1 (if you're using Fesity)03:11
Talamansimple we don't know works just as well03:11
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cyberjackalJust wanted to say hello.  I'm interested in contributing to Ubuntu and am currently starting to look at the Debian Maintainer's guide and packaging guides.  Any other places I should look to get started?03:12
RAOFYou've seen the Ubuntu packaging guide?  That's really good :)03:12
LaserJockblueCommand: looks like you need to add an -sa to the source building command (dpkg-buildpackage or dbuild)03:13
LaserJockblueCommand: that will include the .orig.tar.gz in the upload03:13
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blueCommandError '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of winekeyd_0.2-1.dsc03:16
blueCommandNote: This problem might be caused by files already existent on the server.03:16
blueCommand      For the official Debian upload queues, the dcut(1) utility can be used03:16
blueCommand      to remove stale files from unsuccessful uploads.03:16
LaserJockremove the .upload file03:16
RAOFblueCommand: Don't bother about dcut, it doesn't work on REVU.03:16
RAOFWhen that happened to me, I had to get one of the REVU admins to clean the incoming directory of my package files.03:17
blueCommandbefore i upload, "Distribution: unstable", is that correct?03:17
RAOFNo.  Feisty.03:17
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RAOFdebian/changelog :)03:18
blueCommandone step ahead of you :D03:19
blueCommand* Initial release (Closes: #nnnn)  <nnnn is the bug number of your ITP>03:19
blueCommandwhat' that?03:19
RAOFThat's the default dh_make changelog.  It's a Debian thing.03:20
bddebianLaserJock: If you get bored, I stuck a new gpib up on REVU ;-)03:20
blueCommandbaah, same problem :(03:20
RAOFblueCommand: Hm.  Before you upload that package, you might want to run it through lintian (by running debuild, normally).  If you've got the default changelog, do you also have the default section (debian/control), copyright, etc?03:21
blueCommandi use debuild :S03:21
blueCommandi guess I have though03:21
RAOFblueCommand: And did lintian say anything (there'd be a bunch of things like: "E: section is dh_make template")03:22
blueCommandcontrol and rules are changed03:22
RAOFYou also *need* to edit debian/copyright.03:22
RAOFHm, didn't know you could do that with debuild :)03:24
RAOFBut that hasn't run lintian :)03:24
RAOFTry just "debuild -sa -k_yourkey_"03:24
LaserJockdebuild -S -sa -k499D422303:24
blueCommandno? :)03:24
LaserJockyou don't want to build a binary just yet03:25
RAOFLaserJock: Well, the -S for the upload.  But doesn't he want to check the lintian output on his binary, too?03:25
_ionRather edit DEBSIGN_KEYID in ~/.devscripts03:25
blueCommandoh, i did that. the paste just went weird03:25
RAOFBefore he uploads?03:25
LaserJockRAOF: yes, but first things first03:26
LaserJockbuilding a binary in there will make a mess03:26
LaserJock*can make a mess03:26
RAOFOk, if clean doesn't clean properly, yeah.03:27
LaserJockblueCommand: do you have lintian installed?03:27
blueCommandno :)03:27
blueCommandthought i had03:27
blueCommandNow I have03:28
RAOFNow, the debuild -S -sa -k_foo_ should produce some lintian output, too.03:29
LaserJockor you can run lintian -i on the .dsc file03:29
blueCommandit did03:29
blueCommandwhatever it just did :S03:30
blueCommandso now what? :)03:30
RAOFblueCommand: Now, you get to see whether or not what it says is relevant.  Then, you fix it.03:30
RAOFThen you ask a REVU admin to remove the files from your previous upload from incoming (at least, that's what I had to do in a similar situation)03:31
RAOFRemove all those files.03:32
RAOFUnless you need them, which you presumably don't.03:32
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blueCommandit worked03:33
blueCommandnow.. where did I put my poking stick?03:34
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blueCommand:) any admin on atm? I can't tell :D03:36
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HobbseeblueCommand: yeah03:37
blueCommandAh! Please REVU admin: remove the files from my previous upload from incoming (at least, that's what RAOF had to do in a similar situation)03:38
Hobbseewhat was it - winekeyed or something?03:39
Hobbseedone :)03:39
blueCommandnice :)03:39
blueCommandIf I have nothing to do one day, is it as simple as picking a software from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates , package it and upload it?03:42
ajmitchHobbsee: hm, you're an admin now? how useful03:42
blueCommandOr am I obligated to support that software for all eternity? :)03:43
ajmitchwe prefer that people don't upload & run03:43
bddebianYou are bound for eternity :-)03:43
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LaserJockblueCommand: don't listen to bddebian, we want your soul ... I mean packages :-)03:44
Hobbseeajmitch: not an admin - but i can clear that queue03:45
blueCommandI was thinking about like freenet. I really like the project and would like to help out, but I can't dedicate any bigger amounts of time to it03:45
LaserJockHobbsee: how'd you get that without being an admin?03:45
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blueCommandThe damn IRL03:45
ajmitchLaserJock: being in the revu group03:46
LaserJockon LP?03:46
LaserJockor on tiber?03:46
ajmitchon tiber03:46
blueCommandI read somewhere that it shouldn't take more than 5 min for it to show up. In that case I think I screwed up again :D03:47
ajmitchblueCommand: I trust that you have joined the appropriate launchpad team & asked for the keyring to be resynced?03:47
blueCommandJoined yes03:47
ajmitch& got confirmation that it was resynced after you asked?03:48
blueCommandA while ago03:48
ajmitchhow long was awhile? days? hours?03:48
blueCommand3 hours perahls03:48
blueCommand3 hours perahps03:48
ajmitchah, that's no good :)03:48
blueCommand... whatever03:48
HobbseeLaserJock: being in the REVU group on tiber.03:49
blueCommandthen: Hobbsee resync the keyring!03:49
ajmitchHobbsee can resync the keyring03:49
=== Hobbsee bleh
Hobbseeso can ajmitch.03:49
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ajmitchthen Hobbsee can unreject the package & let it be processed again03:49
blueCommandAnd perhaps you need to remove the old winekeyd again, no?03:49
Hobbseeajmitch: how do i unreject something?03:50
Hobbseewow, there's lots that's been rejected03:50
ajmitchmv /home/ftp/incoming/rejected/winekeyd*changes /home/ftp/incoming03:50
ajmitchor similar03:51
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Hobbseeoh right03:51
ajmitchdid you delete it?03:51
Hobbsee(before you wrote the line about the move)03:55
ajmitchso you asked, and then deleted?03:55
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blueCommandshould i dput again?03:56
ajmitchblueCommand: please do03:56
blueCommandthere we go03:57
blueCommandnow I wait03:58
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blueCommandsay I want to update this program (0.25 or so), how would I do that? Any wiki about that?03:59
blueCommandAHA! It's in!03:59
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blueCommandYou don't have permission to access /revu1-incoming/winekeyd-0702192155/winekeyd_0.2-1_source.changes on this server.04:02
blueCommandThis system scares me :S04:03
LaserJockgood, it should ;-)04:06
blueCommandno, really. Why can't I download that file?04:07
blueCommandAll the other ones are fine04:07
Hobbseebecause the permissions on it are screwed04:08
blueCommand... and that's normal? :)04:09
LaserJockthey aren't screwed04:13
LaserJockit's for saftey I believe04:13
LaserJockthe .changes file has a gpg signature04:13
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canine_koujiI'm not sure who is packaging the aiptek driver, but is it possible to distribute a driver works actually works? with sensitivity and etc05:33
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RAOFcanine_kouji: You could file a bug against the drivers (with exactly what fails to work) on launchpad, that's a better spot to get attention.05:46
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canine_koujiRAOF: possibly05:53
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canine_koujiRAOF: looking at the sourcecode for aiptek driver, I'm actually quiet surprised it still works. The code looks like utter crap05:56
canine_koujiand nobody seems to want to port the latest code(1.9), they(ubuntu guy in charge of it) just keeping monkey patching the release code(1.0)05:57
RAOFcanine_kouji: It's not proper monkey patching if it's not Python code :)05:58
RAOFWell, you're probably a bit late for Feisty.05:58
RAOFBut ask the maintainer if you could package up the new version.05:58
canine_koujiI know I am05:59
canine_koujiI want to update this code so aiptek works... these tablets eat wacom's money, I'll definitely help out, heh05:59
RAOFAlternatively, if there's a newer Debian package, ask to get it sync'd.  But probably not now, because UVF has passed.05:59
canine_koujiwacom overcharges for their stuff05:59
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canine_koujiif someone can make and release a pad about the same for 1/5th of the price, be angry.06:00
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RAOFRight.  It's about a week since I emailed the gnome-compiz-manager guy.  I'm going to fix the trivial stuff in the review, and upload a new pacakge.06:21
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RAOFOk, there's a new gnome-compiz-manager ( http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4426 ) up.  Anyone want to review?06:49
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dholbachgood morning08:06
ajmitchhi :)08:06
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StevenKWoah, when did the karma get reset.09:17
ajmitchweek or two ago09:17
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StevenKTrying to use a mod_perl module against mod_perl2 leads to pain.09:24
_ions/against mod_perl2 //09:24
_ionThere, fixed.09:24
StevenK_ion: :-P09:27
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AnAntmay someone help me with this review: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4397 , I don't understand what's wrong09:53
ajmitchAnAnt: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-February/000249.html09:54
AnAntajmitch: I am maintainer of acon, it does not exist (YET) in Debian in the first place09:56
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ajmitchbut for now I'd still set Maintainer: to be the appropriate motu list09:57
AnAntajmitch: so, I don't understand how this applies to my package ?09:57
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AnAntso I set Maintainer to motu list, and Debian-Maintainer to me ?09:58
ajmitchXSBC-Original-Maintainer to you09:58
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AnAntajmitch: is that why pbuilder refused to build ?09:59
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fernandomoin all01:23
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pochuhi all!03:39
pochuI have a little problem with a build: http://librarian.launchpad.net/6479297/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-i386.listen_0.5-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz03:39
pochuI think I should add python-gnome2 to the build-deps, right?03:39
pirastpochu, i also guess so03:42
pochupirast: ok, ty!03:42
pirastpochu, but maybe you need python-gnome2-dev instead03:42
pirasti would first try with p-g-dev03:43
pochupirast: that package doesn't exist in feisty, I think03:43
slomodholbach: when one of motu-uvf files an UVF exception request are two additional +1 needed or only one?03:43
pirastpochu, for me it does03:44
pochupirast: oh, sure :)03:44
pochupirast: bad comand hehe03:44
dholbachslomo: hum... I thought that it was a normal exception as everybody else03:44
slomodholbach: ok, then let's handle it this way :) i was just wondering if i should confirm your one already03:45
pochupirast: but I think it should be python-gnome2, because it builds fine in my laptop, and I have python-gnome2 installed, but not python-gnome2-dev03:47
pirastpochu, then try it :-)03:47
pirastpochu, you may want to have a look at pbuilder https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto03:48
pochupirast: :)03:48
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bddebianHeya gang04:04
pochuhi bddebian :)04:04
bddebianHello pochu04:04
pochupirast: anybody else:  -> Considering build-dep python-mutagen (>= 1.8)04:04
pochuwhite: Unable to locate package python-mutagen04:04
pochuenyc: No packages found04:04
pochu      Tried versions: 04:04
pochu   -> Does not satisfy version, not trying04:04
pochuhowever, python-mutagen is 1.10 :S04:05
crimsun1.10.1-0ubuntu1, actually.04:05
pochucrimsun: right04:05
crimsuncheck whether your build(er) has a current apt cache04:05
crimsun(and of course has universe enabled)04:06
pirastthats probably the case04:06
pochuI have universe enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list, isn't that enought? (I'm new to pbuilder :)04:06
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pirastpochu, no04:06
pochudholbach: listen failed to build, I'm with it :)04:07
pirastpochu, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto section "Universe support"04:07
pochupirast: ok, I see it in the wiki04:07
pochupirast: :)04:07
dholbachpochu: good to hear that :)04:07
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pochuIgn http://archive.ubuntu.com feisy/main Packages                                                                           04:14
pochuErr http://archive.ubuntu.com feisy/main Packages                                                                           04:14
pochu  404 Not Found [IP: 80] 04:14
bddebianSomeone needs to take a gun to Broadcoms offices :-)04:15
pochuany idea?04:15
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Q-FUNKpochu: it's feisTy04:15
pochuI haven't touched it04:15
Q-FUNKtypos r u04:15
pochuQ-FUNK: ty :)04:16
pochuworks now :)04:20
pirastbddebian, why?04:23
bddebianpirast: For not making free drivers and for generally just sucking :-)04:25
pirastbddebian, then buy no bc products :P04:25
pochudholbach: do I leave it as 0.5-0ubuntu1, or add a new entry ubuntu2?04:28
dholbachpochu: was it already uploaded?04:29
pochudholbach: slomo uploaded it, but it failed to build04:29
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dholbachok, so you need a new version number04:30
pochudholbach: ok :)04:30
bddebianpirast: It was built in to this stupid Dell04:33
pirastbddebian, hahaha, i have one built into my stupid fujitsu siemens laptop :-P04:33
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pochunice tool, pbuilder :)04:37
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pochudo you guys now which package contains mozembed?05:07
pochuChecking for pygtkmozembed:05:08
pochunot found05:08
pochuknow* :)05:12
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bddebianpochu: What specific file(s) is it looking for, do you know?05:21
pochubddebian: try: import gtkmozembed05:21
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bddebianlibgtk-mozembed-ruby1.8 maybe?05:21
pochumaybe ;)05:22
pochubddebian: No current or candidate version found for libgtk-mozembed-ruby1.805:22
bddebianTry just: libgtk-mozembed-ruby05:23
pochubddebian: maybe libgtk-mozembed-ruby, but I haven't got it installed, and in my laptop build fine05:23
bddebianLook in configure to see how it checks for it05:24
pochumaybe python-gnome2-extras-doc05:24
pochubddebian:     print "Checking for pygtkmozembed:",05:25
pochu    try: import gtkmozembed05:25
pochu    except ImportError:raise SystemExit("not found\n%s require gnome-python-extras.\n\t(http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-python-extras)" % NAME)05:25
pochu    else: print "found"05:25
pochugonna try with python-gnome2-extras-doc05:25
pochuI don't have it installed...05:26
bddebianYou don't have python-gnome2-extras installed?05:27
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AnAntbddebian: Hello05:28
AnAntbddebian: ping05:28
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bddebianYes I'll look at it today05:28
AnAntbddebian: ok, thanks...05:29
AnAntbddebian: are you sure that I should do this even if the package isn't for Debian ?05:30
AnAntbddebian: are you sure that I should do this even if the package isn't IN Debian ?05:30
bddebianDo what?05:30
AnAntbddebian: set the Maintainer to the motu mailing list05:30
bddebianYes, Unless you have an ubuntu.com address.  You can set the Mainter: to MOTU and XSBC-Original-Mainter to yourself.  Or whatever the damn field is called05:31
AnAntand add the addition XSBC-Original-Maintainer field 05:31
bddebianslomo or dholbach: Are we going to upload the newer bcm43xx-fwcutter?05:32
dholbachbddebian: is the bug confirmed?05:33
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bddebiandholbach: #84917 ?05:34
dholbachif that's the uvf bug for bcm43xx-fwcutter, yes05:34
bddebiandholbach: Yeah05:34
dholbachbddebian: then please go ahead05:34
bddebianIt's a sync request, no?05:35
dholbachok, let me open the bug page too05:35
bddebianpochu: Can you do a find on pygtkmozembed to see where it is for me?05:35
pochubddebian: sure05:36
pochubddebian: I need the python module :)05:36
dholbachbddebian: yes, looks like05:37
dholbachbddebian: the uvf team just takes care of checking and confirming05:37
pochubddebian: http://pastebin.ca/36503305:37
pochudholbach: I built it with dpkg-buildpackage, not pbuilder. sorry :(05:38
dholbachpochu: we're not in a deep freeze yet, so nothing to worry about05:38
pochubut today I'm learning how to use pbuilder, so I hope that doesn't happen again!05:39
_ionWould anyone be willing to review the compiz-extra package in REVU? It's not packaged by me, but i'd *really* like to have it in universe.05:39
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pochubddebian: I bet for python-gnome2-extra, but I don't know why it fails05:40
AnAntI realize that in the feisty repos there is beryl-manager but not beryl05:40
pochuAnAnt: sure05:40
AnAntit's not even in feisty queue05:41
AnAntpochu: why's that ?05:41
pochudon't know. it failed to build?05:41
bddebianpochu: I don't see any python module at all called pygtkmozembed05:41
pochubddebian: try to import gtkmozembed05:41
pochuit works for me05:41
AnAntpochu: ok05:42
pochubddebian: >>> import gtkmozembed05:42
pochuGTK Accessibility Module initialized05:42
pochu>>> 05:42
pochuAnAnt: but I don't know :)05:42
pochuAnAnt: all I know is that as beryl is not in Ubuntu repos yet, the beryl bugs are rejected :)05:42
bddebianCan 'import gtkmozembed' import shared libraries?05:42
pochubddebian: I can't understand that :S05:43
pochudon't know :)05:43
bddebianpochu: Is your package posted anywhere?05:43
pochubddebian: Bug #8494605:43
UbugtuMalone bug 84946 in listen "[UVF Request]  Please update Listen to 0.5" [Wishlist,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8494605:43
pochubddebian: but that diff failed to build, I'm trying to fix it now :)05:44
bddebianIt says fix released, no?05:44
pochubddebian: but it has not build05:44
pochubddebian: not now. update :)05:44
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bddebianAh, it failed on the buildd, OK05:45
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pochubddebian: any idea?05:49
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bddebianpochu: I'm looking, give me a minute05:53
pochusure :)05:53
bddebianpochu: Who uploaded this, do you know?05:53
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pochubddebian: I think slomo05:54
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bddebianpochu: Now it's failing on a different package.. Grr05:59
pochubddebian: which one?05:59
slomobddebian, pochu: hm, it built fine locally but i didn't use pbuilder unfortunately :/05:59
bddebianhang on I'm updating my pbuilder05:59
bddebianslomo: No worries05:59
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pochubddebian: I think this is the problem:06:07
pochuChecking Python version: 2.506:08
pochuGtk-Message: Failed to load module "atk-bridge": libatk-bridge.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory06:08
pochu/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:69: GtkWarning: could not open display06:08
pochu  warnings.warn(str(e), _gtk.Warning)06:08
slomopochu: oh... nice, either run everything in xvfb-run or patch the checks away06:08
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pochuslomo: what's xvfb-run? :)06:09
slomopochu: a virtual X server06:09
bddebianThat's just wrong06:10
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slomobddebian: ?06:10
bddebianIt's ugly :-)06:10
pochuslomo: is xvfb-run a pbuilder flag?06:11
slomobut that's normal for packages that try to import some python module that imports gtk it seems06:11
bddebianpochu: No, it's a package06:11
slomopochu: no, a package... look at what python-gnome2 does... build-depend on it and call make with xvfb-run06:11
slomopochu: package is xvfb06:11
pochuslomo: ok :)06:11
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pochuslomo: bddebian: don't know how to do it :S06:17
pochuI mean: I don't know how to call make with xvfb-run06:17
slomopochu: instead of ./configure, $(MAKE), $(MAKE) install, whatever call "xvfb-run ./configure" etc06:18
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bddebianslomo: It's cdbs06:27
slomothen some random variable has to be set ;)06:28
bddebianYeah, :-(06:28
pochubddebian, slomo are you talking about listen?06:30
slomomaybe change the shell to "xvfb-run sh" :)06:30
slomopochu: yes06:30
pochuwhat's happening with cdbs?06:30
pochucdbs is a patch system, right?06:30
bddebiancdbs is a build system instead of debhelper06:31
_ionMore like a higher-level system built on debhelper.06:33
bddebianFair enough, just less "controlable" ;-P06:33
bddebianActually that just looks like a warning.  The error now is not being able to find gnome.ui06:38
slomobddebian: which is caused by not beeing able to open the display06:40
slomobddebian: just patch away the annoying checks06:40
bddebianslomo: ?06:40
slomobddebian: it checks if gnome.ui can be loaded... which fails because the display is not available. just remove this check and it will build06:42
pochuprint "Checking for gnome.ui:",06:43
pochu    try: import gnome,gnome.ui06:43
pochu    except ImportError: raise SystemExit("not found\n%s require python-gnome (http://www.gnome.org)" % NAME)06:43
pochu    else: print "found"06:43
pochuslomo: should I comment it?06:43
pochuok, gonna try :)06:43
slomopochu: be careful to depend and build-depend on everything needed though... if it checks for gnome and gnome.ui depend on the relevant packages (i.e.python-gnome2 iirc)06:44
pochuslomo: sure :)06:45
pochuslomo: after build (if it builds) I'll try it :)06:45
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pochuand python-gnome2-extras-dev06:45
bddebianAlready had that06:45
bddebianNeed at-spi also ;-)06:45
slomowhy extras?06:45
slomoand at-spi is not required06:46
pochuslomo: it depends on it06:46
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spikehi there06:47
spikewhat shall I do with a patch-set against xen-tools? I've fixed some bits in the common.sh which would make installing packages fail and added hooks for edges, plus a few more things06:48
spikeshall I open some bug, just send an email to the maintainer or what?06:48
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bddebianspike: I would say, try to grab zul if you can06:49
spikeI'm on edgy, should I test feisty before?06:49
spikebddebian: grab what sorry?06:50
bddebianspike: zul does a lot of the xen work06:50
bddebianAnd is a who, not a what ;-)06:50
spikeoh, zul the nickname06:50
spikesorry :)06:50
spikeI didnt connect06:50
spikezul: hi, whenever you got a moment to talk about xen I'll appreciate it. I'll hang around. thanks06:51
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bddebianGoddamnit, now I get pygtkmozembed not found again06:52
zulspike: whats up?06:52
spikezul: see my first line as I joined the chan06:52
spikeI've fixed some stuff in the xen-tools pkg in edgy06:52
slomobddebian: same error? remove check please ;)06:52
bddebianslomo: No, this is further down06:52
spikemight be stuff broken in upstream too, tho, dunno, havent checked the sources06:52
zulspike: send me a patch at zulcss@gmail.com and ill have a look06:53
slomobddebian: why?06:53
spikezul: k, ta06:53
bddebianslomo: http://pastebin.us/1475506:53
slomobddebian: probably the same problem... i guess this imports pygtk too via pygtkmozembed...06:54
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affluxdh_make asks me what kind of package I want to create... which is the right one if packaging a shell script? "single binary, multiple binary, library, kernel module or cdbs"?06:59
pochubddebian: slomo: same here06:59
jkimball4Where does one report a bug in Nautilus.  It appears that Malone does not.07:00
pochujkimball4: malone07:00
jkimball4I tried to do it in Malone, but it yelled at me.07:01
jkimball4"Nautilus does not use Malone as its bug tracker."07:01
pochujkimball4: moment07:01
pochujkimball4: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+filebug07:01
jkimball4Ah, thanks pochu.  I only have a Valgrind log.  Is that sufficient for the bug report or is there some other way I can catch data from this problem.  The bug reporting tool does not launch upon force quit of Nautilus.07:04
pochujkimball4: If you can get also a backtrace, it would be better, I think07:05
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jkimball4Of course, now that I have it debugging it's not going to fail.. :p07:07
jkimball4The last 600 times it's failed with no issue.07:07
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bddebianpochu: Do you have libxul or libxul-dev installed locally?07:14
pochubddebian: no07:14
bddebianMight be getting it from Firefox07:16
pochubddebian: I don't have also firefox-dev07:17
bddebianBut you have firefox installed, no?07:17
pochubddebian: sure07:17
bddebianThen you have libgtkmozembed.so :-)07:17
bddebianErr make that libgtkembedmoz.so07:18
pochubddebian: do I try to build with firefox?07:19
bddebianpochu: Just for kicks you can do:  sudo pbuilder login.  Then install python-gnome2-extras-dev and try to import gtkmozembed ;-)07:19
pochuor are you doing it? :)07:19
pochubddebian: doing07:20
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slomopochu, bddebian: you have to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH and other weird things probably as always for mozilla stuff... or what's the error? :)07:22
bddebianCrap is there not a multi python version of python-gst?07:22
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slomobddebian: there is... if you mean python-gst0.1007:23
slomobddebian: i have it for 2.4 and 2.5 here07:23
pochuslomo: do you mean this?07:24
pochu# 1 = Add LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/firefox/mozembed/so/file when listen start 07:24
pochu# to prevent segmentfault on wikipedia and lyrics widget for broken python-gtkmozemebed on some distribution like ubuntu edgy/dapper07:24
pochuUSE_MOZEMBED_HACK ?= 007:24
slomopochu: probably07:24
bddebianslomo: Yeah, I was looking in edgy repo, sorry07:25
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affluxdh_make asks me what kind of package I want to create... which is the right one if packaging a shell script? "single binary, multiple binary, library, kernel module or cdbs"?07:26
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pochuafflux: I think single binary07:27
affluxalright, thank you. (this is kind of misleading, isn't it? ;))07:27
bddebianafflux: I would say single binary or cdbs but I don't know how well cdbs will work with just a shell script07:27
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=== bddebian is always amazed at how little he really knows :'-(
pochubddebian: >>> import gtkmozembed07:32
pochuTraceback (most recent call last):07:32
pochu  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>07:32
pochuImportError: libgtkembedmoz.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory07:32
bddebianNow install firefox or libxul-dev, or some such07:34
bddebianGah, now what:07:34
bddebianDEB_MAKE_CHECK_TARGET unset, not running checks07:34
bddebiandocbook2x-man debian/listen.1.docbook07:34
bddebianSegmentation fault07:34
bddebianRan out of memory for input buffer at /usr/lib/perl5/XML/Parser/Expat.pm line 469.07:34
bddebianmake: *** [build/listen]  Error 25507:34
slomoat least it builds fine without pbuilder ;)07:35
bddebianWell I'm getting closer I think :)07:35
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pochuslomo: and right now i'm listening music with it :)07:35
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pochubddebian: >>> import gtkmozembed07:43
pochuGtk-Message: Failed to load module "atk-bridge": libatk-bridge.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory07:43
pochu/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:69: GtkWarning: could not open display07:43
pochu  warnings.warn(str(e), _gtk.Warning)07:43
pochu>>> 07:43
bddebianOh, install at-spi :-)07:43
pochuthat's after installing libxul-dev07:43
pochubddebian: is that a build-dep of listen?07:44
bddebianI've added it but slomo says I shouldn't :-)07:44
pochubddebian: I have it installed locally, so maybe ;)07:44
slomothat's only a warning07:44
slomoyou don't need it07:44
bddebianActually, so far I've added python-gnome2-extras-dev, at-spi, libxul-dev, and python-gst0.10 :)07:45
bddebianHeya LaserJock07:45
pochubddebian: >>> import gtkmozembed07:45
pochu/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:69: GtkWarning: could not open display07:45
pochu  warnings.warn(str(e), _gtk.Warning)07:45
pochu>>> 07:45
pochusame :)07:45
slomobddebian: instead of libxul-dev use firefox-dev07:45
pochuslomo: ok :)07:45
bddebianNah, that's just a warning :-)07:45
bddebianslomo: Why?07:46
LaserJockthe silly instument manager somehow made /tmp ro07:46
slomobddebian: because we use firefox and not xulrunner07:46
bddebianLaserJock: OK, well go test gpib then ;-P07:46
pochuslomo: ok, gonna try :)07:46
pochummm, but won't it be the same?07:46
=== bddebian is going to burn up his pbuilder today.. :)
LaserJockAmaranth: how long has alacarte been in Gnome proper?07:48
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pochubddebian: hehe07:48
pochu>>> import gtkmozembed07:51
pochuGtk-Message: Failed to load module "atk-bridge": libatk-bridge.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory07:51
pochu/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:69: GtkWarning: could not open display07:51
pochu  warnings.warn(str(e), _gtk.Warning)07:51
pochu>>> 07:51
pochubddebian, slomo: that's with firefox-dev installed07:51
LaserJockAmaranth: k, was arguing with somebody in my LUG who said Gnome had no menu editor07:51
LaserJockAmaranth: and he said that Alacarte was really only included in 2.1707:51
slomopochu: yeah obviously still unable to open the display... you can't do anything about that except a) remove the breaking check or b) run stuff in xvfb or some other X server07:52
Amaranthi believe it lost support for applications:/// in 2.1007:52
Amaranthso for 3 releases GNOME had no way to edit the menus07:52
Amaranthotherwise it's been fine07:52
bddebianWTF is this crap:07:54
bddebianlisten.1: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/dh_installman line 120, <COMPAT_IN> line 1.07:54
bddebianmake: *** [binary-install/listen]  Error 207:54
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slomobddebian: broken link? or does the file really not exist?07:56
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bddebianslomo: Which file?07:56
slomobddebian: listen.107:56
bddebianI made it in debian/07:56
bddebianI did the docbook2x-man to create it, instead of doing it in rules07:57
bddebianOf course there's an empty manpage.links file, wtf07:59
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slomoajmitch: only 24 for me in this channel ;)08:03
bddebianajmitch: Better use something bigger than an int ;-P08:04
ajmitchsurprising, less than 100 in my log for bddebian in here :)08:05
bddebianBah, I get no love :-)08:05
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pochuslomo: I've commented it with "#" but still checks the dependency!!!???08:14
bddebianpochu: Well other than the manpage mess, I think I have it building08:14
pochubddebian: how have you fixed the mozembed problem?08:15
bddebianbuild-dep python-gnome2-extras-dev and firefox-dev08:15
pochubddebian: and builds?08:16
bddebianWell then I got the segfault on docbook2x-man which I have now removed08:16
pochubddebian: it doesn't build for me, also with firefox-dev and python-gnome2-extras-dev08:17
bddebianWhat error?08:17
pochuChecking Python version: 2.508:17
pochuGtk-Message: Failed to load module "gail": libgail.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory08:17
pochuGtk-Message: Failed to load module "atk-bridge": libatk-bridge.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory08:17
pochu/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:69: GtkWarning: could not open display08:17
pochu  warnings.warn(str(e), _gtk.Warning)08:17
pochuand this:08:17
pochuChecking for pygtkmozembed:08:17
pochunot found08:17
bddebianDunno about gail but add at-spi and python-gst0.1008:18
bddebianI never got that error about gail08:18
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superm1joejaxx, you are the guy who put together fluxbuntu right?08:26
joejaxxsuperm1: yeah08:26
superm1did you use uck for customizing your live cd?08:27
joejaxxoh no08:27
superm1by hand?08:27
Amaranthbtw, that's the status on that?08:27
joejaxxthe previous two by hand the newer ones from scratch08:27
Amaranthas far as rolling your changes back into ubuntu, i mean08:28
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superm1i was experimenting to find out the feasibility of a myth live disk yesterday, and uck seems to do a pretty decent job in automating the whole process, after you write customization scripts.  do you maintain copies of the scripts so its all automated from scratch, or literally from scratch in the sense that you manually type commands each time you make a dis08:29
joejaxxAmaranth: right now we are concentrating on the april release first08:30
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joejaxxsuperm1: it is automated08:30
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joejaxxbddebian: lol08:30
superm1joejaxx, could I possibly take a peak at your automated scripts from scratch to see if they could easily be ported to a "mythbuntu" live disk?08:31
psusican anyone point me to a good resource describing how X resources are used/configured to decide what fonts applications use?  I'm trying to figure out why gitk uses such horrid fonts and fix it...08:31
joejaxxsuperm1: it is not to the point where it should be public yet08:32
superm1joejaxx, ah okay08:32
bddebianOK, new error:08:32
bddebiandh_installman -plisten debian/listen.108:32
bddebiandh_installman: failed to read listen.1.gz08:32
bddebianmake: *** [binary-install/listen]  Error 108:32
bddebianpbuilder: Failed autobuilding of package08:32
superm1joejaxx, are you eventually trying to become a supported derivative in canonical's eyes, and be able to use their build system and such, or planning to stay as a seperate project?08:33
joejaxxsuperm1: i do not think it is really a choice up to us08:34
superm1ah good point :)08:34
bddebianslomo: Still around?08:36
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joejaxxsuperm1: i do not know if that will happen though08:37
pochubddebian, slomo: do we need to add at-spi and libgail-dev to build-deps?08:37
joejaxxsuperm1: Canonical already has xubuntu08:37
superm1how are you handling your bandwidth for distribution?08:37
pochubddebian, slomo: they are for accesibility support08:38
superm1right now at least08:38
bddebianpochu: I don't have libgail08:38
pochubddebian: it's because this: Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "gail": libgail.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory08:38
pochu<pochu> Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "atk-bridge": libatk-bridge.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory08:38
joejaxxsuperm1: multiple mirrors08:38
bddebianI don't get the libgail error08:38
pochubddebian: do you have the latest gtk?08:38
bddebianat-spi fixes the libatk-bridge, though maybe it's wrong08:38
pochubddebian: maybe at-spi depends in libgail ;)08:39
superm1joejaxx, if I end up making more progress with the myth live disk, could you put me in touch some people that are running these mirrors to talk with about hosting?08:39
bddebianpochu: Yep, it does08:39
ajmitchpochu: warnings or errors?08:39
pochuajmitch: warnings08:39
imbrandonsuperm1, you need hosting? 08:39
pochuajmitch: for that :)08:39
imbrandonsuperm1, i have more than ample bandwith to handle a digg x 10 :)08:40
superm1imbrandon, if i confidently finish assembling the live disk, yes08:40
superm1imbrandon, wow :)08:40
bddebianajmitch: Have an idea on my manpage error?08:40
ajmitchbddebian: don't know, haven't looked08:40
imbrandonsuperm1, that how i make my money as a day job is at a hosting company and i have free rackspace where i have a few servers connected directly to the inet at 100MB/s08:41
imbrandonand no cap08:41
bddebianajmitch: Well scroll up about 5 mins ;-)08:41
superm1imbrandon, thats awesome.  i'll definately ping you when I've got this disk closer to ready and easily rebuildable08:41
pochuajmitch: should I add then those packages to the build-deps?08:41
superm1imbrandon, thanks a bunch :)08:41
imbrandonanyone seen jono today ?08:42
pochuimbrandon: me, in #ubuntu-locoteams08:42
imbrandon /join #ubuntu-locoteams08:42
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AnAnt_bddebian: ping08:44
ajmitchpochu: are they actually needed?08:45
imbrandonzul, kinda tough with broken fingers ;)08:45
pochuajmitch: no, just warnings, but builds without them08:45
zulimbrandon: how did you break your fingers?08:46
ajmitchthen I'd skip them08:46
ajmitchzul: long & funny story ;)08:46
zulheh i got the time..08:46
imbrandonzul, heh at work, i got two fingers on my left hand caught in a rack fan08:46
AnAnt_bddebian: reminding you of acon 08:46
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zulimbrandon: I guess you havent taken the workplace safety course yet? :)08:47
imbrandonhahah 08:47
imbrandonwell it was in a place you couldent see and well.... umm.... yea08:47
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imbrandonlong story short i have my left hand unable to hit the tab key properly :)08:48
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imbrandon( untill the splint comes off )08:48
imbrandoni have far too many emblems as is08:48
zulheh...at least you didnt get your finger lopped off08:48
ajmitchhm, I think a skull would be suitable for motu-council08:48
imbrandonajmitch, +508:49
bddebianAnAnt_: I know sorry, pochu has me intrigued with this stupid listen package :)08:49
pochuhehe :)08:49
imbrandonhum, 14 emblems, too many08:50
AnAnt_hmmm, what does it do ?08:50
AnAnt_the package is called listen ?08:50
bddebianAnAnt_: I have no idea, I'm just trying to build it :-)08:50
pochuAnAnt_: fails to build in pbuilder08:50
pochuoh, it's a music app, such us rhythmbox08:50
pochubut much better :)08:51
AnAnt_pochu: what does it depend on ?08:51
AnAnt_pochu: I prefer mplayer 08:51
pochuAnAnt_: you should try it :)08:51
imbrandonamarok ftw08:51
pochuif you use gnome08:51
imbrandonitunes == #208:51
pochuimbrandon: not for gnome ;)08:51
PriceChildimbrandon, I heard you were packaging beryl for feisty?08:51
cbx33amarok is quite nice on gnome08:51
imbrandonpochu, i know plenty of gnomites that use amarok08:51
AnAnt_pochu: it works in console ?08:51
cbx33for me anyway08:52
cbx33except it has a nasty problem08:52
cbx33which I can't solve08:52
AnAnt_pochu: does it depend on java ?08:52
imbrandonPriceChild, i did some of the packaging of it yes08:52
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cbx33it skips the last 2-4 secs of a song08:52
pochuAnAnt_: I think you can use it in console, but it's a graphic app08:52
cbx33known bug imbrandon ?08:52
pochuAnAnt_: no, gtk08:52
pochuAnAnt_: and python08:52
PriceChildimbrandon, Did it get done lol?08:52
AnAnt_pochu: listen/status ?08:52
imbrandonPriceChild, packaging yes, in the archive no, it has multipoal issues to resolve before it can go into the archive08:52
pochuAnAnt_: status?08:53
imbrandonupstream issues, not packaging ones08:53
cbx33ajmitch, lol at the skull idea08:53
AnAnt_pochu: is it called Listen/Status ?08:53
pochuAnAnt_: no, just listen ;)08:53
pochuAnAnt_: moment08:53
AnAnt_pochu: is it from brainkrash.com ?08:53
pochuAnAnt_: http://www.listen-project.org/08:53
PriceChildOk thanks imbrandon :)08:54
AnAnt_pochu: so, what error you get in pbuilder ?08:54
pochuat this moment?08:54
cbx33ooooh is listen in the repos yet?08:54
pochutouch debian/stamp-makefile-build08:54
pochuDEB_MAKE_CHECK_TARGET unset, not running checks08:54
pochudocbook2x-man debian/listen.1.docbook08:54
pochuSegmentation fault (core dumped)08:54
pochuUnable to recognise encoding of this document at /usr/share/perl5/XML/SAX/PurePerl/EncodingDetect.pm line 96.08:54
pochuDocument requires an element [Ln: 1, Col: 0] 08:54
pochucbx33: we have 0.4.3, but I'm trying to upload 0.508:54
cbx33in feisty?08:54
pochucbx33: but it fails to build in pbuilder08:55
cbx33or edgy?08:55
pochucbx33: we have 0.4.3 in all of them ;)08:55
cbx33never see nthat before08:55
pochucbx33: in universe08:55
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cbx33what's the package name?08:55
cbx33why is it failing in pbuilder?08:55
cbx33does a compile from source work ok?08:56
pochubddebian: that error ^^^ have you already fixed it?08:56
pochucbx33: I can build it with dpkg-buildpackage, and I think also a compile && make && make install works08:56
pochucbx33: I have a .deb here :)08:56
cbx33a 0.5 deb?08:57
pochubut I need to fix it in pbuilder, to have it in the repos08:57
pochucbx33: sure08:57
cbx33indeed you do08:57
pochubddebian: ping?08:57
cbx33maybe I'll install it from source08:57
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pochucbx33: if you are using feisty, maybe we'll have it tomorrow in the repos :)08:58
cbx33nah I'm on edgy08:58
cbx33think I'll compile from source08:58
cbx33any extra deps needed?08:58
pochucbx33: wait08:58
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pochucbx33: python-gnome2-dev, python-gnome2-extras-dev, firefox-dev and python-gst0.1008:59
pochucbx33: and python-mutagen08:59
pochucbx33: and intltool08:59
pochucbx33: I think that's all :)09:00
cbx33I'll try it now09:00
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pochucbx33: you need some patchs to get it working ;)09:07
bddebianpochu: Sorry, what's that?09:11
slomobddebian: now i'm back09:11
slomowhat's the current state?09:11
bddebianStill getting this shit:09:11
bddebiandh_installman: failed to read listen.1.gz09:11
bddebianmake: *** [binary-install/listen]  Error 109:11
bddebianpbuilder: Failed autobuilding of package09:11
cbx33pochu, grrr09:11
cbx33mutagen is old09:11
pochucbx33: edgy?09:11
cbx33guess I'll have to stick to the old version for now09:11
pochucbx33: hehe09:12
cbx33CBA to go and recurse build all those deps09:12
pochucbx33: maybe you can try 0.5-beta, but not sure09:12
cbx33I'll wait09:12
cbx33maybe I'll upgarde to feisty soon09:12
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cbx33I have a feisty install actually09:12
pochubddebian: how have you fixed the DEB_MAKE_CHECK_TARGET problem?09:12
pochucbx33: you can try there then :)09:13
bddebianpochu: What MAKE_CHECK problem?09:14
slomobddebian, pochu: make check target? try dropping that one if that's the one that makes most problems ;) checks are nice but if the package works otherwise...09:14
bddebianI don't have one09:14
slomobddebian: and is the file empty? or why can't it read it?09:14
bddebianslomo: I don't know.  man -l ./listen.1 works fine09:14
slomobddebian: if everything fails pre-generate the manpage instead of doing it at build time ;)09:15
bddebianThat's what I did09:15
bddebianI have listen.1 sitting in debian/ no09:15
cbx33hmm listen is nice09:16
slomobddebian: erm... listen.1... try it with specifiyng debian/listen.109:16
ajmitchslomo: so what's the verdict on UVF for native packages?09:16
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geserpochu: I'm now also looking at listen :) firefox is enough for importing gtkmozembed09:17
bddebianslomo: Tried that too.  At least with DEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES_listen = debian/listen.109:17
pochugeser: I've added firefox-dev to the build-deps :)09:17
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slomoajmitch: no idea...what package is it?09:17
ajmitchupstream == me09:18
slomoajmitch: i guess updating is fine then ;)09:18
ajmitchoh good :)09:18
geserpochu: firefox is enough09:18
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pochugeser: ok :)09:18
slomoajmitch: doesn't make much difference if you add all changes to the current package or make a new upstream version ;)09:18
ajmitchgeser: you also had a native package you wanted to fix?09:19
bddebianGrr this should be so simple09:19
ajmitchslomo: I thought I'd better get some approval from a motu-uvf member :)09:19
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slomoajmitch: is f-spot now "part of gnome"? or do you need an uvf exception for this too?09:20
ajmitchno I'll need a UVF exception from tollef09:20
slomohm, do you know where the new modules are listed?09:20
ajmitchnope, sorry09:20
ajmitchprobably somewhere on a gnome announce list09:21
geserajmitch: there was a merge for a native package on u-u-s but someone else uploaded it already09:21
ajmitchslomo: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/devel-announce-list/2007-January/msg00007.html09:21
tonyyarussoAnybody familiar with the demise of Nvu?  I found its successor at http://kompozer.net.09:22
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slomoajmitch: thanks :) btw, does f-spot build fine with the ndesk-dbus* packages?09:23
slomosiretart: ping? :)09:23
ajmitchit should, I haven't merged in the build changes yet09:23
geserpochu: have you already a fix for the docbook2x-man segfault?09:23
pochugeser: no, I'm trying to see what's happening :)09:24
pochugeser: I'm a noob :)09:24
pochucheck: 09:24
pochu@if [ $(CHECK_DEPENDS) -eq 1 ] ; then \09:24
pochu/bin/echo -n "Checking for Python... "; \09:24
pochuwhich $(PYTHON) || ( echo "Not found." && /bin/false ); \09:24
pochu$(PYTHON) ./check.py; \09:24
pochuI think it's there09:24
pochuUnable to recognise encoding of this document at /usr/share/perl5/XML/SAX/PurePerl/EncodingDetect.pm line 96.09:25
pochuwtf is that?09:26
geserpochu: I'm currently looking at the translation of listen.1.docbook -> listen.109:30
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tonyyarussoIs it possible to create a Debian pbuilder environment on Ubuntu?09:30
pochugeser: ty :)09:30
bddebiangeser: Don't do it.. :)09:30
geserpochu: using docbook-to-man doesn't crash but produces to many errors (it stops after 200)09:30
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bddebiangeser: Just docbook2x-man localy and create listen.1, trust me :)09:31
pochugeser: ^^09:31
bddebianOf course, this is making me want to kill myself: dh_installman: failed to read listen.1.gz09:31
pochubddebian: I was going to say that :)09:31
geserbddebian: I've logged in into pbuilder and it crashes there 09:32
pochugeser: any output?09:32
slomomaybe locale related?09:32
bddebiangeser: What crashes there?09:32
LaserJocktonyyarusso: yes it is09:33
tonyyarussoLaserJock: Any particular trick to it, or just specify a debian URL for the apt source?09:34
bddebianOK damnit, even if I gzip liste.1 and man -l ./listen.1.gz it works09:34
LaserJocktonyyarusso: change the distribution and mirror, yeah09:36
tonyyarusso(I figure if I get something built for Ubuntu that's not in Debian, they'd probably appreciate it too)09:37
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bddebianslomo: Locale related how?09:37
geserpochu, bddebian: hmm, now it works 09:38
slomobddebian: because of the encoding problem it says... hm, does the xml document contain an encoding specification? try tp add it :)09:39
bddebiangeser: What'd you do?09:39
gesernothing, I started from fresh (dpkg-source -x listen.dsc) and now it worked09:40
geserpochu: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 456654 Feb 20 20:39 listen_0.5-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb09:40
slomogeser: in pbuilder or locally built?09:41
geserin pbuilder09:41
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geserI'll try it again09:41
pochugeser: wow!09:41
bddebiangeser: With no changes?09:41
geserno extra changes besides the extra build-deps09:42
bddebianAh, OK09:42
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ajmitchslomo: so ndesk-dbus* haven't been promoted to main yet?09:42
slomoajmitch: nope... should be done tomorrow as tomorrow is archive day... just b-d on it already :)09:43
pochugeser: what about the gtkmozembed?09:43
ajmitchyeah I am09:43
ajmitchtesting the build now09:43
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geserpochu: you need sgml-data, python-gnome2-dev, python-gnome2-extras-dev, python-gst0.10, firefox added to build-depends09:53
pochugeser: sgml-data?09:53
geseryes, else docbook2x-man segfaults while creating the manpage09:54
pochugeser: I have the rest09:54
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pochugeser: oh, that's my problem :)09:54
pochugeser: ty very much!09:54
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geserpochu: when you update the package you can remove the call of dh_python from debian/rules09:55
pochugeser: dh_python usr/lib/listen ?09:56
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geserdh_python is a no-op if python-central or python-support is used09:56
bddebiansgml-data? Hmm09:56
bddebianYou also need to fix the maintainer field I think.  Should be XSBC-Maintainer... no X-Maintainer... I believe09:58
bddebianWhatever :-)09:59
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bddebianpochu: Can you upload?10:00
pochubddebian: no :)10:00
pochubddebian: but I have a uvf exception request open in LP10:00
pochubddebian: however, 0.5 is already uploaded :)10:00
pochubut FTBFS :)10:01
bddebianI mean for the "fixed" package10:01
pochubddebian: I can't10:01
geserpochu: let bddebian or me know when you're ready, we can upload it for you10:03
pochugeser: ok, thanks10:03
pochugeser: did you get any problem with the gtkmozemdev check?10:03
bddebianDamn, trumped by geser again.. :-)10:04
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geserI've closed the window now but I don't remember anything besides a timeout or something and then the warning about missing display10:04
pochuthen I'll remove the patch I did to not check it :)10:05
geserpochu: all I did was to install the extra packages, no changes to the package itself to get it build10:06
pochugeser: ok, dropped :)10:06
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bddebianAnd fix the maintainer field10:09
pochubddebian: I already dit it :)10:09
bddebianOK :-)10:09
pochuI have no connection to the repos, does that happen to you?10:10
pochuemilio@kiko:~/deb/listen/listen-0.5$ sudo aptitude update 10:10
pochu0% [Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com (] 10:10
pochuworks now!10:10
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bddebianW: listen: script-not-executable ./usr/lib/listen/listen.py10:11
bddebianW: listen: unusual-interpreter ./usr/lib/listen/listen.py #!/usr/bin/python2.52.410:11
bddebianW: listen: maintainer-not-full-name Ubuntu-MOTU10:11
tsmithebddebian, did enblend ever finish that build? :P10:12
bddebiantsmithe: Nope and now my Feisty machine with 640Mb is toast because of bcm43xx issues10:12
bddebianHey, it builds with libsexy-dev and at-spi :-)10:13
tsmithehehe ok10:13
tsmithesorry to hear it10:13
bddebianNo worries.  I hope to get it working tonight10:13
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bddebianHave you gotten 1 yet?10:14
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pochuworks!! :)10:20
pochuthanks bddebian geser slomo :)10:20
slomopochu: np :) would've probably been a bit faster if i had actually looked at the package though ;)10:21
pochuhehe :)10:21
pochuslomo: but np, as I've learned a lot!10:21
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tsmithebddebian, gotten one for which?10:22
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pochuslomo: do I reassign again to motu-uvf, or as 0.5 is uploaded there is no need?10:22
tsmithenor wired *cough*ack it*cough*10:22
bddebianDidn't I look at wired?10:23
slomopochu: no need ;)10:23
pochuslomo: ok, ty :)10:24
bddebiantsmithe: I looked at wired, did you see my comments?  Or was that the one you asked about those files not being included in the binary?10:25
tsmithei did see the comments10:26
tsmithei'm pretty sure i responded10:26
tsmitheor maybe that was someone else10:26
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pochubddebian, geser: bug 84946 ^_^10:26
UbugtuMalone bug 84946 in listen "[UVF Request]  Please update Listen to 0.5" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8494610:26
tsmithebddebian, yes. i remember. i'm quite sure we agreed the licencing "issues" were ok :P10:27
tsmitheas AUTHORS is installed as a doc10:27
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bddebiantsmithe: Oh yeah and I believe I said if you get another ack, I'll advocate as well?10:29
tsmitheah yes :)10:30
tsmithegeser, you around to ack?10:30
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tsmitheslomo, you?10:31
geserpochu: looking at the debdiff, why did you need libgaild-dev and at-spi?10:31
geserah, read the changelog10:33
bddebianAdd libsexy damnit ;-)10:34
gnomefreakis universe repo down?10:34
tsmithelibsexy ist sehr important10:34
ajmitchgnomefreak: no10:35
bddebiantsmithe: I was talking about for listen to geser and pochu :-)10:35
gnomefreakits failing here10:36
givr1is there somebofy with some time for a little ack : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4417 thanks :)10:36
bddebiangivr1: Did ntfs-config get rejected previously?10:37
pochugnomefreak: also here a little ago10:37
pochugeser: do you find everything ok?10:38
givr1bddebian: still sleeping in NEW AFAIK10:38
gnomefreakpochu: are you using archive.ubuntu or CC.archive.ubuntu?10:38
pochugnomefreak: archive.10:38
tsmithebddebian, i know10:38
gnomefreakyeah me too10:38
gnomefreakwondering if UK is having issues10:39
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tsmithegnomefreak, working here...10:39
tsmithebut i use the main repos10:39
gnomefreakFailed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (110:39
ajmitchor it could be some proxy somewhere, or some transient error, or...10:40
bddebiangivr1: Ah, then we'll have to ask to have it removed first afaik10:40
pochugnomefreak: but it worked for me a little after10:41
pochuI was updating and dist-upgrading10:41
gnomefreakgb is working it looks like10:41
givr1bddebian: ok, so i have to ask that to an archive manager ?10:42
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tonyyarussoOkay, Tony giving packaging a go, take two: Kompozer, bugfix stopgap between Nvu (not active) and Composer2 (its "eventual" replacement).  Downloading tarball now and hoping it's more sane...10:49
bddebiangivr1: Yeah we will before we upload again, I think10:49
geserpochu: uploaded listen10:51
givr1bddebian: i just asked that to tollef in -dev. Hope he is still there. Thanks10:51
pochugeser: ty! :)10:51
pochudo you guys know in which package is included the clock applet?10:55
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bddebiangeser: If you get bored, could you poke at gpib on REVU for me?10:58
geserpochu: gnome-panel10:58
pochugeser: ok, ty10:58
tsmitheGNUro, hello10:59
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tsmitheand then pokes him anyway cos of tor10:59
TheMusoSorry guys, I have bene very bus the last few days, and will be unable to help with any form of reviewing before FF.11:00
tsmitheTheMuso, are you fre..11:01
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TheMusotsmithe: Sorry dude, not until the weekend at least.11:01
tsmitheok TheMuso :)11:01
TheMusoor friday11:01
tsmithe*gotta get these in*11:01
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cbx33who here knows about gnome-screensaver11:19
cbx33i am trying to invoke the screensaver from the command line on a user who has just logged in11:21
cbx33by using the gnome-screensaver-command tool11:21
cbx33but it seems to be failing11:21
cbx33it used to work fine11:21
cbx33now I see that if I run gnome-screensaver first it's ok11:21
cbx33and works11:22
cbx33is this usual?11:22
tsmithebug filed? is gnome-screensaver running in the session?11:23
tsmitheis it supposed to?11:23
tsmithewhy shouldn't it? why should it?11:23
tsmithenecessary questions :P11:24
tsmitheand why do you want to scare a user by surprising them with a screensaver?11:27
bddebianForce keyboard locking when user steps away?11:28
cbx33tsmithe, it's for thin client manager11:28
cbx33ok so it seems it's working fine11:29
cbx33right but a question11:29
cbx33I have a python dbus script11:29
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cbx33that starts with a users session11:29
cbx33it's called by the X starting initi process thingy11:30
cbx33it is supposed to run the lock command11:30
cbx33but it doesn't lock the session11:30
cbx33I'mn presuming this is something possibly because the gnome-screensaver is running in a different "session" ?11:31
cbx33because if the dbus script runs gnome-screensaver first itself and the locks it, it works fine11:31
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geserbddebian: what issues did you have with gpib?11:31
cbx33can anyone shed any light?11:31
bddebiangeser: It should work now11:34
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tsmithesharms, slomo; either of you free for review?11:37
tsmithe(hey it rhymes!)11:37
UbugtuMalone bug 82527 in gnome-screensaver "gnome-screensaver-command doesn't work for gnome-screesaver instances started from /etx/X11/Xsession.d" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  11:37
cbx33seems it is known about but in another way11:37
cbx33ping ogra notice you were dealing with this one11:37
bddebianLater gang11:38
bddebianGood luck tsmithe :-)11:39
tsmithehe went...11:39
cbx33he did indeed11:39
LaserJockhe always does that ;-)11:39
tsmitheLaserJock, ah!11:39
tsmitheis that a volunteer?11:40
tsmithe(please please please review!)11:40
LaserJocksorry dude, I'm totally booked11:40
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tonyyarussoWhat do I do if the directory inside the tarball is not named <packagename>-<version>?11:44
tonyyarussoDo I rename the dir after it's unpacked, and that will be reflected in the diff, or does it not matter?11:45
tepsipakkitonyyarusso: doesn't matter11:46
tonyyarussotepsipakki: Okay.11:46
tonyyarussoNext question: How to handle something that's tri-licensed?  Can dh_make take -c gpl/lgpl/mpl?11:47
tepsipakkino idea..11:47
LaserJocktonyyarusso: just get rid of dh_make :-)11:47
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tonyyarussoLaserJock: ...  bleh11:47
=== tsmithe prods LaserJock. get back to being "totally booked"
tsmitheremember i need reviews!12:00
=== tsmithe sleep
cbx33nn all12:12

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