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PuMpErNiCkLekumamoto: I think he meant GParted.  I can't be sure, though.12:37
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kumamotoPuMpErNiCkLe: maybe it is the terminology that got me confused12:41
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kumamotomy bad12:42
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neozenhoallo there01:27
neozenroom's been so quiet as of late01:28
neozendon't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing01:28
posingaspopularneozen: im new to the room but i dont have anything to say01:29
posingaspopularand im going watching a movie/leaving for school soon01:29
neozenwell... I'm in class01:29
posingaspopular ah i have to drive to school in 1/2 an hour01:30
neozenat least... I don't have to do that01:30
neozen...i take a 2 hour train into the city01:30
posingaspopulari live in chicago. midway01:31
posingaspopularwhat school are you at01:31
posingaspopularyea really01:31
neozensmall world ::grins::01:31
posingaspopularoh on the northside by fullerton? or downtown by wabash?01:31
posingaspopularha yea01:31
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neozenwabash & jackson01:32
neozen...here for comp sci01:32
posingaspopularyea downtown01:32
neozen..all that stuffs @ the loop campus01:32
neozen...the one in LP is more for arts01:32
posingaspopularmmhm. i know a bunch of people at depaul01:32
neozenwhere go you?01:33
posingaspopularuh richard daley, junior college. 75th and pulaski01:33
posingaspopularyes sir01:35
posingaspopulardepaul is pretty cool, i like the game lab01:35
=== neozen grins
neozen.....definately a great perk01:35
neozen...haven't gotten much of a chance to go this term01:35
posingaspopularha yea, all the tvs....01:36
neozen...been too busy w/ clas01:36
jlamranyone know about why my wireless router occasionally cuts out - like when coming back from standby. Only comes on reboot01:36
posingaspopularwere you a part of the detag competition01:36
jlamrs/comes/comes back/01:36
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posingaspopularneozen: detag?01:38
neozen..I was one of the people who won01:39
posingaspopularyou were? did you hear about the douchebag who busted his head open?01:39
=== posingaspopular is best friends with the douchebag
posingaspopular4 in the head, 2 in the moustache01:39
neozendo you mean your router01:40
neozen..or your wireless card01:40
neozen....and i'd have to know which card01:40
neozen....plus... standby does weird things on my laptop as well01:40
jlamrah yeah wireless card01:40
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neozen...as far as I know... it depends on which power management drivers you are using01:41
jlamri had to use fwcutter to install driver - its a dynex generic best buy01:41
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about fwcutter - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:41
neozenthat bot...... need a massive upgrade01:42
neozenproblem might not be in your card01:43
neozen....my money is on your power management01:43
=== neozen shrugs
neozenI just don't standby01:43
jlamrReply With Quote01:43
=== neozen owns a thinkpad
jlamrfollowed howto on that limk01:44
neozen..all hail anti-shock harddrives01:44
neozenoh good lord01:44
neozen..its a broadcom01:44
jlamryeah im on an old iseries  5GB not sure how much ram01:44
neozenhey... it works right?01:45
neozen.....well ... you have a few options01:45
jlamryup - well 85% : )01:45
neozen1.... don't standby01:45
neozenlinux shouldn't really take that long to boot anyway01:45
jlamrsometimes synaptic or apt-get causes problem too01:45
neozen..probably when your wireless isn't connected01:46
neozen....they really start puking when a connection isn't there01:46
jlamrdo you use wireless01:46
neozenhave an intel pro wireless 3945abg01:47
jlamrdid you go with WPA2?01:47
neozenI just use wpa with a loooong key01:47
neozen..thats not a dictionary word01:47
neozen..by any stretch of the imagination01:47
jlamrright..i ve read a few howtos - was it too terrible to set up?01:48
neozenwell... my card is supported by network-manager-gnome01:48
neozen......I just have a tray icon01:48
jlamrthat helps fer sure01:48
neozen...that acts like windows' wireless networking01:48
neozen...i click... I get a list of visible networks01:49
neozen...if it needs a password, it looks in the gnome keyring for it... and if it can't find it, it prompts01:49
jlamroh man, must be nice - wifi-radar works OK for me01:49
neozenits way too easy01:50
neozen...I'm no help @ linux group when it comes to wireless issues01:50
jlamrim so jealous though - i was soo happy to get wireless working. But I can really appreciate01:50
neozenbut from all the stuff I read01:50
jlamrit now01:50
neozengetting wpa setup wasn't too hard01:50
neozenI know there's a wpa howto somewhere01:51
neozenI know you'll need wpa_supplicant01:51
ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs01:51
jlamrnow im just using mac restriction diff ssid and no broadcast01:51
neozenwell..... mac restriction is easy to get around01:52
neozen...deauth the actual user01:52
jlamryeah, wireless in general01:52
kristjansany good php editor for xfce?01:52
=== neozen ponders
ubotukismet: Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 2006.04.R1-1.1 (edgy), package size 964 kB, installed size 2448 kB01:52
=== neozen uses vim for everything
jlamrive done a webpage in only vi01:53
kristjansi'm more into gui applications01:53
kristjansi believe i could do it too, but i find it to be less to my liking01:53
neozenkristjans: can you deal w/ xemacs?01:53
kristjansneozen: i have no idea, i suppose i have to try it ;)01:54
kumamotojlamr, is that plain html or html css javascript ruby all that good stuff01:54
PuMpErNiCkLe!info scite01:54
ubotuscite: Lightweight GTK-based Programming Editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.69-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 778 kB, installed size 1956 kB01:54
kristjansscite sounds good01:55
neozennew to me01:55
=== neozen snags
jlamrplain ollllll html although wrote perl cgi scripts too - nothin special01:56
neozen..I can't deal w/ vi01:56
jlamronce you figure it out its not bad - better than word in some respects01:57
neozen.....I like having more then one undo01:58
neozen..thus.... vim01:58
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jlamruse '.'01:58
jlamrperiod repeats last command01:59
neozenthen.. you might be using vim and just not know it01:59
neozenoriginal vi only let you undo one thing01:59
ubotuText Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code01:59
ubotuhtml is HyperText Markup Language, used to build webpages. Editors in Ubuntu: Bluefish, Quanta+, Screem, and Nvu. For howto on HTML coding, see: http://www.w3schools.com02:00
neozenscite is interesting02:00
neozenthanke pumpernickle02:00
jlamrmaybe vi == vim? in new distros02:00
kristjansdoes scite have to so unfit my theme though?02:00
neozenkristjans: dark theme user?02:00
kristjansneozen: yup02:01
neozenwho knows02:01
neozen..perhaps its got skins02:01
neozenor some kind of color configuration02:01
neozenwell.... I've found a global preferences file02:03
neozenOptions - > Open ___________ options file02:03
neozenstandard linux configuration02:03
neozen....one biiiiiig text file02:03
neozen....kind of mean for a gui editor... but I can understand02:04
neozen...easier to code that way02:04
kristjansi though it would be longer02:04
neozenthis... is why I use vim in a terminal02:06
neozenblack bg ... green text02:06
kristjanshow can you stand it?02:06
neozenbecause its how I started02:06
neozen....was raised on an original IBM pc02:07
neozen1 color02:07
neozen...if you poked a button... what that color was changed02:07
kristjansit would make more sense to have 2 colours02:07
neozenblack and one color02:07
=== neozen grins
=== jlamr remembers when printer paper hed those holes on the ide
neozenhell yeah02:08
neozenI still have one of those02:08
=== neozen still has a working proprinter
neozen...and about 20 cartridges02:09
neozen...should last me till I die02:09
jlamrthey dont make em like that any more02:09
jlamrthank god :)02:09
neozenhey.... they were easy to program back in the day02:09
neozen...now..... youd better know postscript (if you're lucky) ...or some proprietary language (if you're not)02:10
neozen....the key w/ the proprinter... is to tell a computer that its not a printer02:11
neozen...that its just a pipe02:11
neozen...and to stick characters into it directly02:11
jlamritll all be digital someday...maybe02:11
neozen..otherwise.... it starts printing multiple times to make it darker... stupid drivers02:11
neozenif I wanted it dark... I'd use the ancient HP cube in the corner02:12
neozen*not so ancient02:12
neozenkristjans: ....you might also want to look into gvim02:12
neozen....more minimal then an IDE02:13
neozen...but kicks the #@$#@$ out of mousepad02:13
jlamrever changed the default 'ready' message on a hp printer? Something like 'Insert Quarter'02:13
kristjansi am unenlightened. couldn't i just use screem?02:14
neozenfear not02:14
neozengvim is for the unenlightened02:14
neozen....think of it... as the gateway drug02:14
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kristjansokay ;)02:14
neozenstill needs vim commands though02:15
neozenwhen you want to edit the file... just hit i02:15
kristjansi've figured that out02:15
kristjansthe i and esc keys02:15
neozenI can recommend a great vim tutorial02:16
jlamrand :w  to save02:16
neozenESC u to undo02:17
jlamryeah ESC is your friend02:17
kristjansokay. what advantage does it have over ctrl+s?02:17
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neozenyou can use it on a terminal that doesn't have a cntrl key02:18
kristjansi've never used a terminal02:18
neozen...think about the history of command line stuff02:18
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neozen...I really do pity the windows generation02:19
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jlamrwhyzat neozen ?02:19
kristjansi am trying to understand, but i have a thick head02:19
neozenkristjans: no worries02:20
neozen...at all02:20
neozenI'm just being annoying02:20
=== neozen grins
neozenkristjans: there exist great ide's for linux02:22
neozen...i just don't use them02:22
neozenthe one exception is java02:22
neozen..i use an ide for java02:22
jlamrneozen, recommend a beginner tuturial for java?02:23
kristjansisn't there a just "mousepad" with ftp support + syntax highlighting? :P02:23
neozenjlamr: do you know c++?02:24
Jester45kristjans: yes, my script + scite02:24
neozenhey there jester02:24
neozenknow how to configure scite to work w/ dark themes?02:24
neozenie... black bg lighter text by default?02:25
jlamrnope a little c# plus perl, and sigh vb..02:25
Jester45hey, iva been at my girlfriends she broke her computer02:25
neozenthese things happen02:25
neozenjlamr well.... actually I can't02:25
neozen..I took classes in java02:26
neozen...and the books were worthless02:26
Jester45i would never make a program in java02:26
neozenfor a reference ... I can highly recommend the tiger book02:26
neozen...search function sucks though02:26
neozen....for searching the api.. take a look @ sun's online api documentation02:27
neozen...its VERY in depth02:27
jlamrjust gotta jump in i guess02:27
neozensome of the nicest I've seen02:27
neozenjester... why?02:27
jlamrsometimes too much info is a bad thing02:27
Jester45kristjans: my script mounts ftp sites02:27
Jester45neozen: waste of computer power02:27
kristjansi think it would be perfect with a support for black theme02:28
neozenJester45: lol02:28
jlamrmemory hog?02:28
neozenbut I've got a gig of ram02:28
neozen...my memory problems stopped LONG ago02:28
Jester45neozen: 2 g ram here02:28
neozenand under linux... java loads in a sane amount of time02:29
Jester45and i still could use more02:29
neozenJester45: ........02:29
jlamrfirefox is java right?02:29
neozenwell... I know azureus is02:29
neozenI don't think firefox is02:29
kristjansfirst time i hear that ff would be java02:29
PuMpErNiCkLeIt isn't.02:29
neozensince it doesn't seem to need a jre02:29
Jester45i think ff is perl or python02:30
neozenmy money is on python02:30
jlamrshell scripts?02:30
Jester45or some other language that starts with p02:30
Jester45jlamr: what about them02:30
neozenjlamr: no02:30
neozenjlamr: ff would not be shell scripts02:30
PuMpErNiCkLeIt's C/C++.02:30
neozenthat.... would be...... something else02:30
neozenthough... I have seen a shell script web browser02:31
neozen...came with ulinux02:31
neozen....how do I type non-standard characters under linux?02:31
neozenlike the symbol for micro02:31
Jester45there ia a cli browser but... i dont know if its a sh02:31
neozenlynx always treated me nice02:32
kristjansi guess02:32
kristjansi'm going to stick with mousepad02:32
Jester45you mean like....?02:33
neozenjester: exactly02:33
neozenkristjans: awwww don't do that02:33
Jester45neozen: google them :) i googled utorrent because the u should be a 02:33
Jester45kristjans: what are you sticking to mousepad with02:34
neozencode editing02:34
Jester45use scite02:34
kristjanshtml and php02:34
kristjansscite looks02:34
kristjansugly :(02:34
neozenonce you have intelligent autoindent... you never go back02:34
Jester45i use html with scite02:34
jlamrthought I saw a character map somewhere,02:34
kristjansi think i would have too hard time configuring it though02:35
neozenkristjans: come back in a week02:35
neozen..if I've made it work... I'll be letting you know02:35
kristjansi think removing the icons would help02:36
kristjansbecause i don't need any of thos02:36
kristjansway better :)02:36
Jester45i would like to learn perl...but im to lazy right now02:36
neozenthere's always a setting to whack out the toolbar02:36
neozenthe camel book is great for that02:36
jlamr 02:37
kristjansyeah but it just a waste of space02:37
=== neozen nods
kristjansthere a way to remove half of the menus? :02:37
neozenjust use vim02:37
neozenin a terminal02:37
neozenI know there's a syntax highlighter for PHP and HTML02:37
neozenscript for vim02:38
kristjansi want file > open/save/save as and search and maybe a preferences02:38
neozen....well.... you could always write one02:38
neozenkristjans: care to learn python?02:38
kristjansi have to think about that ;)02:38
neozenif you write it... we will come02:39
=== neozen chuckles
kristjansbut can the language list be cut down?02:40
kristjansi've never heard about half of the languages02:41
kristjanshtml, css and php would be fine with me02:41
neozenwait... you mean in scite?02:41
neozen...don't worry about it02:41
neozen..it should auto detect which syntax highlighting to use02:42
neozenhey... I got something02:42
kristjansthen how do i remove the language menu?:P02:42
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kristjansi tried nedit, it didn't even start02:45
neozenwhat do you mean didn't start02:46
kristjansi typed in gedit, nothing happened. i typed it in terminal and a couple lines of text came there and nothing else happened02:46
neozen..not gedit02:47
kristjansnedit then02:47
neozensudo aptitude install nedit02:47
kristjansi typed in nedit then ;)02:47
neozenrun from a terminal02:47
neozen*run that line02:47
kristjansBadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)02:47
kristjans etc...02:47
kristjansthat's when i tried it02:47
kristjans3 more lines02:48
neozendid you install nedit?02:48
kristjansi did02:48
kristjansand i already uninstalled it too02:49
kristjansso is02:50
kristjansit hopeless to find a html/css/php editor that i could strip down to my needs?02:50
neozen..... if you want minimal02:50
neozen...you want terminal02:50
kristjansterminal is02:51
kristjanstoo minimal02:51
kristjansi would like something that would not be minimal, and what would let me remove all the features02:51
kristjansthat i don't want02:51
kristjansor be minimal, and let me add these. kind of like firefox.02:52
neozenI would call firefox many things02:52
neozen...minimal isn't one of them02:52
kristjansit's kind of a base02:52
kristjansto which you add plugins and things02:52
kristjanslike that02:52
neozenanything which eats ram like that..... is not minimal02:52
neozenhowever... it WORKS02:53
neozenso I'll forgive it02:53
kristjanswhat i like about firefox is02:53
neozengo look up emacs and its variants02:53
kristjansthat i use most of it's menus that i can see02:54
neozenthere's a million of them02:54
kristjansnot those that are hidden though02:54
neozen..and they are infinitely configurable02:54
kristjanshmm... i was02:55
kristjansafraid that someone will say that02:55
neozen....well... you want minimal02:55
neozen...and lots of configuration02:55
kristjansi have tried it02:55
kristjansi didn't get further than seeing how ugly it looked02:55
kristjansthen i closed it02:55
neozenlet me guess ... not to your liking?02:56
kristjansthen i typed in emacs02:56
kristjansand found some questions02:56
kristjansand no guides02:56
kristjansthen i removed it02:56
neozenwell.... theres this thing02:57
neozenits called google02:57
neozen..type in emacs... tutorial02:57
kristjansgoogle was02:57
kristjansthe place where i typed in emacs gt202:57
neozenI know that works02:57
neozenfrom your descriptions02:58
neozen..you don't want minimal02:58
jlamrany time i need php i just google/copy/paste - but then again, im a hack02:58
neozen..you want maximum configurability02:59
neozen..so you can strip it down02:59
neozen.....lots of configuration..... does not get you minimal02:59
neozendon't be stingy w/ disk space03:00
neozen..how large is the HD03:00
kristjansAfter unpacking 107MB of additional disk space will be used.03:00
kristjans75 gb03:00
neozenI think you can spare the 32mb03:00
neozen..if it gets you what you want03:00
kristjansit's 107 mb03:00
neozenwell... ::grins:: that's emacs03:01
neozen...be sure to use aptitude when you install03:01
kristjansi pressed Y03:01
neozen..instead of apt-get03:01
kristjansi though they are the same thing03:01
neozen...if you whack something out... it will remove the dependancies it installed along with something03:01
neozenbut it can only do that when you install w/ aptitude03:02
neozenapt-get doesn't remove all the dependancies03:02
neozencertainly not in my experience03:02
neozenthe good news is03:02
neozen..you can speak to them in the same way03:02
neozenthe syntax for commands is exactly the same03:03
neozensudo aptitude install packagename03:03
neozensudo aptitude purge packagename03:03
kristjansthat's why i thought they were the same03:03
neozenthey're different03:03
neozenaptitude is a front-end to apt-get03:03
neozen..that does more03:03
kristjans"remove" and "purge" are different then too?03:04
neozenremove whacks out the binaries and some configs03:04
neozen..purge whacks out EVERYTHING03:04
kristjansi don't want it to remove EVERYTHING lol :P03:05
neozeneverything that it created03:05
neozen...or added03:05
neozenwhen it installed03:05
kristjansis xemacs easy to configure though?03:05
neozenshould be03:05
neozenif you know lisp03:05
kristjanswhat's that?03:05
neozenprogramming language03:06
jlamrIm off, but kristjans there is a ##php chan here, maybe those folks could recommend something specifically for your needs03:06
kristjansemacs is03:06
neozenand its gray03:07
kristjanscan i configure it to be exactly like mousepad?03:07
neozenbecause that's the bg of your dark theme03:07
kristjanshow long will it take?03:07
neozendon't know03:07
neozenI've done what I can for you03:08
neozen..and suggested all I can think of03:08
neozen....you... are what is known as a tough customer ::Grins::03:08
neozenyou're welcome03:08
kristjansi know what i want but i have a hard time expressing it03:08
neozenyou might want to work on that03:09
neozenit will serve you better then anything else in life03:09
kristjans& i don't want to spam the channel03:09
neozen...not like anyone else is speaking03:10
=== neozen grins
kristjansemacs is03:10
kristjansthe closest thing to what i want seems03:11
kristjansstill to be mousepad03:11
neozenwell .. there is good news03:11
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neozenmousepad might be getting all those features you know and love03:13
neozenheck... it might have them now03:13
kristjansi think it would be the best to go through plugins though03:14
kristjansi love the default configuration for mousepad03:14
=== neozen nods
neozenits all about the direction the developer is willing to go in03:15
neozen...you want to go in a different direction03:15
neozen..write your own03:15
neozen..that's been the way of it since the beginning03:15
neozen..remember... most of these coders aren't getting paid03:15
kristjansit would be way easier if i knew how to program applications03:15
neozenif you know python03:16
neozen...just look up the gtk bindings for it03:16
neozen...I think even php had gtk bindings03:16
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kristjansso, i stick with mousepad. for now. :03:18
kristjanswhat i miss about it is a preferences dialog03:18
neozenor you snag the newest version of it03:18
neozen...where all the stuff might be in03:18
kristjansi don't want all the stuff though03:19
kristjansas i said, mousepad seems to fit me the best ;)03:20
=== neozen shrugs
kristjansi even think it has too many options right now03:20
=== neozen blinks
neozenwe... do not think alike03:21
=== neozen grins
neozenthough don't get me wrong03:21
neozenI hate emacs03:21
neozenhaving an entire os in my editor.. seems a bit much for me03:21
neozen..ancient joke03:21
kristjans(File>as it is; Edit>Undo, Redo, Preferences; Search>as it is; Options > As03:22
kristjansit is03:22
kristjansthat would be the 4 menus03:22
kristjansof my dream application03:22
kristjansthe syntax highlighting would be under the preferences03:23
neozengo write it03:23
kristjanswriting an application to write web sites? isn't it too much :D03:23
kristjansi'll never get the web site done like that03:24
neozenwell.... then I guess you deal w/ the solutions available03:26
kristjansi can deal with it03:26
kristjansi was just wondering, if there is03:26
kristjanssomething like that03:26
neozenI think we've pretty much exhausted the options03:26
neozentake a look @ that list jlamr posted03:26
neozenmaybe you'll find what you seek03:27
neozen..just realize03:27
neozenyou might have to be flexible03:27
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neozennext question03:27
kristjansat least i now know that i like mousepad more than i though03:28
neozenthat's good03:29
neozen...one should like one's editor03:29
neozen...in linux you end up spending an awful lot of time in it03:29
neozenthis.. is why there are holy wars over editors03:30
neozendid you ever like textpad?03:30
neozenunder windows?03:30
kristjansi liked notepad03:30
neozenI could never go back03:30
neozenI've grown to like smart indent far too much03:31
kristjanswhat's that?:P03:31
neozenimagine ... you type an {03:31
neozenyou whack enter03:31
kristjansoh that03:31
neozenyou start typing03:31
neozen...it indents03:31
neozen...when you type a }03:32
neozen..it lines it up w/ the other one03:32
neozenvim has it03:32
neozenemacs has it03:32
neozen...any editor (including the current 0.3.x mousepad apparently) seems to have it03:32
neozenexcept the mousepad that comes w/ xubuntu dapper03:33
neozenI do a ton of coding03:33
kristjansi need .3.x mousepad03:34
neozen...and when my editor lines up my code for me .... so I don't have to.... and runs fast.... and doesn't slow me down.... I fall in love03:34
neozenyou'll probably have to compile from source03:34
neozenand....... it might be beta03:34
neozenbut it exists03:35
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neozenyou know how to compile right?03:36
kristjansi'm clueless03:36
kristjansmake / make install?03:36
neozen...ok... I'll do it with you03:36
kristjansi see no configure file03:36
neozenload up a terminal03:36
kristjansloaded to src folder03:36
neozen(mousepad 0.3 seems like a good thing to carry around anyway)03:37
kristjansi tried svn before03:37
kristjansbash: svn: command not found03:37
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neozenworking on that03:39
kristjansisn't the package git-svn03:39
kristjansi'm just guessing, i have no clue03:39
neozenHEY GUYS!!!!03:40
neozenwakee wakee!!!03:40
kristjansgit-svn is already the newest version.03:40
kristjanscan't be that03:40
neozengot it03:41
neozenaptitude install subversion03:41
kristjansokay, almost installed03:42
neozenrequires at least 3 or 4 more tools03:45
neozenand the list just keeps growing03:46
neozen...forgot how much of a pain this can be03:46
kristjansXFCE Desktop Environment ...and everything goes faster! :)03:47
neozenit does03:47
neozenit really does03:47
neozenthe software is fast03:47
neozen..just don't mess w/ it03:47
neozenplus installing development versions is always a pain03:47
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cellofellowI think I have a buggy xfce4-panel. It's hogging lots of CPU.03:55
cellofellowand doesn't respond to SIGTERM, but needs a SIGKILL03:57
neozenI've noticed my cpu usage maxing out as well03:57
neozenthough the culprit appears to be X03:57
neozenon dapper03:57
neozenaccording to top03:57
cellofellowwell, Min03:57
cellofellowMine's usually Xorg, but it calms down.03:57
neozenmine hasn't been as of late03:58
cellofellowI had a rouge xfce4-panel process.03:58
neozen..is beginning to vex me03:58
neozenif it does it any more03:58
neozenI'll whack out Xorg03:58
cellofellowand use what?03:58
neozenI'd never do that03:59
cellofellowX is just a bear anyways03:59
neozengood thing linux doesn't use it anymore03:59
neozenall hail Xorg03:59
neozenbut yes03:59
neozenit is indeed03:59
cellofellowI just installed E16 (though I wanted E17) and it's weird.03:59
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neozen...I just use whatever came w/ xubuntu dapper04:00
neozen....a few themes04:00
neozenand gaim04:01
cellofellowSwiftfox, Gmail, OpenOffice (can't stand Abiword really). Gajim04:01
neozenI don't write papers04:01
neozen...yay for being in my senior year04:01
neozen....there isn't a c++ prof alive that doesn't accept txt04:01
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cellofellowI need to write more. I like Google Docs, 'specially when I need to work with other people.04:02
neozenI take it google has created a collaboration editor?04:02
neozenI've been waiting for that04:02
cellofellowGoogle Docs has been around forever. It's a web-based "word processor" that has nice collab features. Used to be called Writely, I've used it since b4 Google bought it.04:03
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cellofellowforever, nah, a yeah total, as writely too, yah.04:03
ubotuEnlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work. E17 is the current development version.04:04
cellofellow!info enlightenment04:04
ubotuenlightenment: The Enlightenment Window Manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1: (edgy), package size 380 kB, installed size 980 kB04:04
neozenI've just stuck w/ xfce04:04
cellofellowI'me figuring stuff out myself04:05
neozenits been good to me04:05
neozenI've customized it of course04:05
cellofellowI started with KDE, so I'm branching out04:05
neozenI started w/ xfce04:05
neozen..and been very satisfied04:05
cellofellownice :)04:05
kristjansi started with kde04:05
kristjansthen i tried gnome04:05
kristjansand then i had forgotten everything about kde04:05
kristjansso i tried kde again04:06
kristjansand then i tried gnome again04:06
kristjansand then i tried xfce04:06
kristjansand then i tried to find a better text editor than mousepad ;)04:06
cellofellowMy first exposure to XFCE was PHAK, though I didn't know it was XFCE. It was XFCE3 or so. I thought it was weird, PHLAK's artwork didn't help. I gave the borrowed CD back.04:06
cellofellowkristjans: SciTE :) Vim.04:06
kristjansnot again... :D04:07
neozenLOL] 04:07
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kristjansI think I like gPHPEdit04:07
neozen...ok then04:07
neozenuse that04:07
cellofellowPHLAK == Professional Hackers Linux Assault Kit. XFCE-based LiveCD with security software and artwork focused on AK-47 weilding Tuxes.04:08
neozenO.o beta04:08
neozencan you say splat?04:08
kristjansmy classmate would be interested in that04:08
neozenthough... honestly... all xfce stuff is beta04:08
neozen..so it can't be that bad04:08
neozenLOL @ cello04:09
cellofellowactually, I so want a copy of PHLAK now. That was an old copy and I really need a good live distro.04:09
neozendefine good04:09
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neozenone of my friends swears by puppy04:09
cellofellowdunno. My knoppix CD died and DSL only does so much.04:09
cellofellowand I can't find my Puppy CD. Ubuntu CD's don't really count as live, they're sort of slow and small for Live distros.04:10
neozenwell... there's a million livecds04:10
cellofellowI know. I downloaded PHLAK but then didn't have any CD's to burn. I do have the priveledge of using my dads laptop to burn things, but I need CD's. I resort to network installs and ShipIt for installing linux.04:11
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cellofellowor, lets see how out-of-place I can make firefox look. :) I've been using Tango but it's bland.04:14
cellofellowhehe, I found a nice theme that's not out of place. :)04:18
kristjansgphpedit or geany04:25
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cellofellowDrPython is nice too, based on SciTE.04:31
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tripppywhen changing keyboard shortcuts keys, i can't set Super_L to Alt+Esc, it comes up as Super+Super_L, what am i doing wrong?05:04
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RememberPOLIs it possible to change display depth without restarting X?05:21
tripppythe resoultuion?05:23
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j1mcwhat is "display depth" anyway?  i think it's the one where you get the choice between 8, 12, and 24, but i don't know what the change makes.05:24
j1mcor what the difference is.  i always pick 2405:24
tripppyRememberPOL, Ctrl+Alt++05:24
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PuMpErNiCkLej1mc: That would be color depth - the number of bits per pixel for color accuracy.05:42
j1mcthanks, PuMpErNiCkLe05:42
BFTDpumpernickle muffins05:43
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PuMpErNiCkLemmm... muffins05:43
knighthi all05:43
j1mchi knight05:43
knighthas anybody install ltsp on xubuntu05:43
j1mcnot me . . . :(05:44
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knightoh ok05:53
knightthere is a known issue where05:53
knightxubuntu ltsp server is intsalled05:53
knightthe thin clients can turn off the server05:54
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j1mc. . . that's no good.  :(05:57
knightit defeats the purpose of running xubuntu as a ltsp server06:02
cellofellowI have openoffice.org-help-en-us installed, but OOo's help isn't working.06:02
cellofellowwhat to do?06:02
knightcome here and ask the question06:04
cellofellowcome where?06:04
knightthis IRC channel06:04
knightyou installed this under xbuntu06:05
cellofellowHow do I get the Help working in OpenOffice? The package it says it needs, openoffice.org-help-en-us, is installed but the help isn't working.06:05
cellofellowAbiword just doesn't cut it, sorry.06:05
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kristjan_why do I get  "dpatch status /home/kristjan/varia/kiso.debdiff" gives me "/home/kristjan/varia/kiso.debdiff does not exist."06:06
kristjan_what is the right way to apply debdiff then?06:07
kristjan_sudo patch /home/kristjan/varia/kiso.debdiff jangs06:10
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psykidellichi...anybody interested in helping me detect my ethernet card?06:15
tripppypsykidellic, if you cant find it. turn off PC. change the PCI slot its sitting in. and try again06:17
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psykidellictrippy i can find it06:17
psykidellicthe problem is that Xubuntu 6.01 nor 6.1 can detect it06:18
psykidellicits a 3com that uses a generic 3c59x driver06:18
psykidellicso i boot up with E live 0.4 live CD06:18
psykidellicand it detects it correctly..i can browse the net, connect to local network etc.06:18
psykidellicso i was wondering why Ubuntu is not detecting....06:18
psykidellici did modprobe without any result06:18
psykidellicso anything that i can take from elive system and put it in xubuntu?06:19
psykidellictrippy, i have tried changing the slot too but with same result06:19
tripppymmm. ok. no idea. usually i found the irq setting to stuff me around.06:19
tripppysorry im not a pro at this stuff.06:20
psykidellicno problem...i can get the irq setting in elive...how can i set them in Xubuntu?any idea?06:20
tripppyif its ubuntu your having problems with try #ubuntu06:20
psykidellici tried there...nobody replied :(06:21
tripppyyou have to wait. i sometimes wait for hours06:22
tripppyor try again another time06:22
tripppygood luck06:22
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cellofellowpsykidellic: oh, yeah. there's also always the forums or mailing lists.06:32
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psykidelliccellofellow, yeah. I will try that too.06:37
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icicledhow do i disable the sound that comes up when gdm starts in xubuntu?06:56
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icicledapparently you can configure that via gdmsetup07:07
icicledgo figure07:07
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TexasMan915can someone tell me what is the password to log in as a root08:10
TexasMan915so how to install flash on my xubuntu08:11
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kristjansTexasMan915: Do you mean Flash Player in Mozilla Firefox?08:19
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distrovaderhey new to linux does anyone know how to connect to dail up with 6.1008:47
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dejxhttp://rafb.net/p/A4Puhu72.html , i tried with -f and i got the same error, what can i do, i did apt-get update,its fresh install09:18
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dejxanother thing09:29
dejxvi + ins,del,home,end,pgup,pgdn keys are acting weird in xubuntu09:30
dejxwhat to do?09:30
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reckrhodeswhat are the minimum hardware requirements for me to install the xubuntu? please help me.12:12
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solotimrefer to xubuntu.org please12:45
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g1gamancan i run ubuntu installer from cd, if i boot with cdrom support from windows98 start-up floppy? there is no possibility to make cdrom as a boot device in bios :(01:34
g1gamanhello, gentlemen, btw01:34
moe_evilg1gaman: you can make a linux boot flopy from de xubuntu cdrom01:36
moe_eviltake a look at [CDROM] /install/README.smb01:36
g1gamanmoe_evil: can you show me how to?01:36
g1gamanah oh01:37
g1gamanmoe_evil: tnx01:37
moe_evil.sbm , sorry01:37
g1gamanmoe_evil: have you ever done that?01:37
moe_evilwell, some years ago :)01:38
g1gamanmoe_evil: are you sure it'll work fine?01:38
moe_evilno idea01:38
moe_evilI'm reading the doc01:38
moe_evilit doesn't explain well howto to create the floppy :/01:39
moe_evilmaybe in the ubuntu wiki?01:39
g1gamanmoe_evil: no, it doesnt :(01:40
moe_evilI find some info in the forums:01:40
=== g1gaman checks link. thank you moe_evil
moe_eviland in spanish: http://fabianf.wordpress.com/2007/01/29/tutorial-como-instalar-gnulinux-en-esos-pcs-viejos-que-por-la-bios-no-puedes-seleccionar-el-cd-rom/01:41
moe_evilI will save this one for me :)01:41
moe_evilI must return to work :)01:43
g1gamanmoe_evil: you know whats is funny? my windows computer doesn't have a floppy drive, but manual obviosly is created for windows users. i'm sorry for disturbing your work01:51
moe_evilumm, yo don't have a floppy and you bios doesn't boot from CD?01:52
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moe_evilI think that the only solution is to move the harddisk to another computer, install, and get back de HD :(01:52
nicolahwhat software do you use to burn cd/dvd in xfce ?01:52
moe_evilI supose your BIOS/NetCard doesn't support netboot, no?01:53
g1gamanmoe_evil: yes, it does. but i am to lame to manage it :(01:53
g1gamantoo lame01:53
moe_evilummm. but you will need another linux box acting has a server01:54
g1gamanmoe_evil: probably it is too difficult for me01:54
moe_evilin the ubuntu wiki it's explained quite well01:54
g1gamanmoe_evil: well i'll try to digg through manuals01:55
g1gamanmoe_evil: though my english is poor01:55
moe_evilmine to :)01:55
g1gamannicolah: i guess whichever you want01:56
moe_evilthe default tool it's xfburn, I think01:56
moe_evilbut I prefer k3b :)01:56
nicolahxfburn does not manage dvd yet01:56
nicolahk3b needs kde libraries, doesn't ?01:57
moe_evilyes :(01:57
g1gamannicolah: so what?01:57
g1gamannicolah: use gnomebaker instead01:57
g1gamanit'll use gnome libraries01:57
nicolahI'm installing graveman, I'll try gnomebaker too01:58
g1gamanand gnomebaker is less bloated than graveman or k3b01:58
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nicolahI feel ok with graveman02:03
g1gamannicolah: well, nice02:03
graziei like graveman :). i don't like gnomebaker02:07
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tuxcrafterhttp://route.anwb.nl/ : can some test this site with firefox i got this crash02:09
tuxcrafterThe program 'Gecko' received an X Window System error.02:10
tuxcrafterThis probably reflects a bug in the program.02:10
tuxcrafterThe error was 'BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)'.02:10
tuxcrafter  (Details: serial 112 error_code 8 request_code 145 minor_code 3)02:10
tuxcrafter  (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;02:10
tuxcrafter   that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.02:10
tuxcrafter   To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line02:10
tuxcrafter   option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful02:10
tuxcrafter   backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.)02:10
tuxcrafterSegmentation fault02:10
grazie!pastebin | tuxcrafter:02:10
ubotutuxcrafter:: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)02:10
tuxcrafterhello, can someone open this website in firefox and looks if it crashed? http://route.anwb.nl/  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6701/02:12
grazietuxcrafter: no problems for me02:12
tuxcraftergrazie: doe you have flash02:14
grazietuxcrafter: yes02:14
tuxcrafterwith sudo firefox its loads oke! but in normal user it crashed02:14
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grazietuxcrafter: not on xubuntu right now, but how did you install flash?02:16
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tuxcraftergrazie: the problem is the flash plugin from adobe i removed the lib out of my plugin directory and now it is working oke02:17
tuxcrafteri will see if there is a new flash plugin avalable02:17
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tuxcraftergrazie: installed new flash plugin now problem solved, but it was a really bad bug :-D02:21
tuxcraftersegmention fault :-P02:21
grazietuxcrafter: I'm just a user too :)02:23
tuxcraftergrazie: sorry  :-P i am developer :-P02:24
blizzi installed the phpmyadmin package.. is there any reason for the CSS to be fubared because of using lighttpd instead of apache?02:29
grazieblizz: css is processed by client not server02:44
blizzi know02:47
blizzbut maybe the aliases are broken or something02:47
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grazieblizz: well, a webserver that can't serve css files is about as useful as a chocolate teapot...maybe the config isn't quite right02:54
blizzwell.. i thought that i maybe had to set that pmaAbsoluteUri setting, no idea.. maybe someone had similar problems with lighty and phpmyadmin..02:58
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dejxin network-admin i can see my pcmcia wlan card04:03
dejxand i get 2 ifaces, ath0 and wifi0, tx and rx are counted on wifi004:03
dejxbut how can i connect to wpa network via network-admin ?04:04
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graziedejx: sorry...I've never done wifi04:07
dejxi read some manuals and nothing04:08
dejxdunno what i'm doing wrong04:08
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bxnphi people i am on a system with kubuntu dapper installed, but i want to change to xubuntu, what is the bestway to do that, so i have a nice and good working xubuntu system04:28
graziebxnp: you can xubuntu install xubuntu-desktop to get xfce + packages...but you will not get the best performance with kde still installed04:42
bxnpwhat do you mean04:42
bxnpwhen i reboot and login with xfce04:43
bxnpit does not load my kde packages right04:43
bxnpfor me the memory footprint is important grazie04:43
bxnpanyway i guess it uses less ram then kde grazie04:44
grazieno. keeping kde will mean the that xfce will not perform as its best...everything should still work fine04:44
bxnpbtw is there a tool like knetworkmanager for xfce04:46
bxnpor should i configure my wifi network by hand04:47
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graziebxnp: there is a network manager tool04:50
bxnpwich does wpa for the wifi04:50
graziei don't do wifi04:51
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Jeffie2k7does anyone have a good guide for setting up lamp on xubuntu? i would use server version but i'm setting up P2 450 lol04:52
bxnpoke i have to reboot04:55
bxnpi mean relogin04:55
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RamlaJeffie2k7: remember that the server install is the same base that all (x/k)ubuntu are based on, so an ubuntu lamp guide would do too.05:02
RamlaJeffie2k7: actually, what do you mean you WOULD use server version05:04
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Jeffie2k7sorry was afk - i meant that i read xubuntu was meant for older machines so i thought it would be a good base to start on05:39
Jeffie2k7i really just need apache / mysql / php / samba so i might just install and config them each on their own05:40
Jeffie2k7just hoped there was an easy automated lamp install, even though i already have the l part hehe05:40
Jeffie2k7just trying to get another test server up and running to do some wackier stuff than i'm currently doing on another newer server running FC605:41
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grazieJeffie2k7: (k/x)ubuntu all use the same base. if you're not installing a gui on server it makes no difference05:52
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benjamin_hey guys.09:03
benjamin_i had a question, regarding xfce's composite manager.09:03
benjamin_i would like to use it, but for some reason, i cant find out how, any option or anything about it.09:03
benjamin_most people seem to be using beryl on top of xfce, and i dont want that.09:04
benjamin_anyone can help ? (if anyone is around) just gimme a wiki or something... i have been googling around and on the forums, but couldnt find any info ? :O09:05
graziebenjamin_: let me get you a link09:05
benjamin_cheers :)09:06
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benjamin_hey btw, after debian+gnome, ubuntu+gnome, freebsd+gnome, i am now on ubuntu+xfce .... and xfce is just so powerfull... even without the composite extension, it just looks soo great !09:08
graziebenjamin_: sorry about that...couldn't remember where i'd put it09:09
graziebenjamin_: >> http://www50.brinkster.com/craziegrazie/XubuntuTransparency.html09:09
benjamin_kk i take a look at that :)09:10
benjamin_thanks a lot btw :)09:11
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Prisoner_hello there09:39
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Prisoner_finally got Xubuntu installed09:43
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beltzIs it easy to get both Ubuntu and Xubuntu on the same machine, without liveCD, so that I can compare their performance easily?09:43
Prisoner_you could probably set up a dual boot09:43
beltzBecause I'm trying out Ubuntu but I don't find it responsive enough09:43
beltzI don't care for special effects, so I don't want it to take 200ms to minimize something. In fact, I want it to minimize windows 500ms BEFORE i click on them.09:44
beltzwell not really, but I like minimal, no special effects os..09:44
Prisoner_I've tried Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu on a 400mhz, Xubuntu ran the best09:45
beltzIf you were on a really fast computer, would it make a small difference though (due to no effects at all that take time to make stuff happen..)09:46
beltzLike that little effect on Ubuntu when you minimize a window09:46
Prisoner_I have Xubuntu dual booted on a 1.583GHZ AMD with 512MB RAM09:48
Prisoner_I need to know what's a good media player for Xubuntu09:49
Prisoner_as well as a good DVD/CD writing program09:50
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graziePrisoner_: DVD/CD writer graveman is good AND light09:56
Prisoner_where I can find it?09:57
graziePrisoner_: media players...I like vlc, mplayer, audacious (not in the repos) but xmms is09:57
graziePrisoner_: I think they are all in the unverse repo, which ones do you want?09:58
Prisoner_not sure yet09:59
Prisoner_I just installed XUbuntu on my main PC and want to get the most out of it09:59
Prisoner_trying to set up a printer09:59
Prisoner_I have a file in MP4 format I want to convert to DVD, do any of those programs do that?10:01
Prisoner_looks like the printer is working10:05
Prisoner_how can I change the order pages are printed in Xubuntu?10:19
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Prisoner_how do I get my HP Deskjet printer to print in reverse order?10:28
rootvzlahi people10:28
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Prisoner_think I may have found it10:29
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Blais1lo everyone11:12
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yonkeltronif gdm fails to start on the live cd, where can i look to try and find a problem?11:15
yonkeltroni want to install.....11:15
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BeltzWhat are limitations in xubuntu compared to ubuntu?11:18
BeltzI tried Ubuntu for a day and I dont really know what is missing from my livecd of xubuntu except for effects when I minimize a window (which I hate)11:18
cellofellowEvolution. Network Manager. OpenOffice.11:19
BeltzOk, but those are things I can install myself on Xubuntu, right?11:19
BeltzAlso, I am used to thunderbird (which is on xubuntu). Is Evolution anything special?11:20
cellofellownot really11:20
grazieyonkeltron: did you verify download? what machine you got?11:20
BeltzDo you know if its easy to turn this pc in a VNC server on xubuntu?11:21
cellofellowThere are plenty of VNC server daemon programs.11:21
cellofellowIf you are connecting over LAN, however, GDM is better.11:21
yonkeltrongrazie: i think i'll just use etch....11:21
yonkeltrongrazie: old gateway11:22
BeltzNah its not for LAN11:22
yonkeltrongrazie: seems to hang on squashfs loading...or something or other11:22
cellofellowI meant XDMCP, which uses GDM as the "server".11:22
yonkeltrongrazie: actually...it got passed that but it is still hanging like a mofo....11:24
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BeltzIf I have Ubuntu installed already, can I easily install Xubuntu without having to do it from scratch? And with no downsides of running both gnome and xfce or whatever at once?11:24
cellofellowwhat vidieo card?11:24
cellofellowBeltz: no real downsides 'cept some extra used hard drive space. You can install Xubuntu on Ubuntu by apt-geting xubuntu-desktop11:25
BeltzSo both will be on the same partition, and Ill select whether to go with Ubuntu or Xubuntu at startup?11:26
cellofellowyonkeltron: what video card do have?11:26
cellofellowBeltz: at login11:26
yonkeltroncellofellow: some ati-rage thing....11:27
cellofellowATI and the LiveCD don't really get along 100% of the time.11:28
yonkeltronthe issue seems to be a problem with fonts11:28
cellofellowXorg, ATI, Fonts. All the same subsystem, really tied together.11:29
grazieyonkeltron: did you verify your download? how much ram?11:30
yonkeltrongrazie: of course, and 256mb11:30
Blais1I've got problems with my Xubuntu, and it may well be graphic card related, I have an ATI, is there more information on these problems?11:31
grazieyonkeltron: dunno...?11:31
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cellofellowyonkeltron: you may be able to install with the Alternate CD and then install the proprietary ATI driver.11:33
yonkeltronit's fine11:36
yonkeltronetch will do11:36
Blais1I've added a new resolution to my xorg.conf, but it doesn't show up in my display settings, how can I get it to show?11:42
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syamajalai just downloaded xubuntu for ppc12:05
syamajalawhen i boot the cd12:07
syamajalai get blue screen with a mouse cursor on it12:07
syamajalaand nothing else12:07
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graziesyamajala: did you verify your download?12:10
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T`anyone using raid on their xubuntu installation?12:11
radioaktivstormhello...im having an issue with xfce; the font is incredibly small and i cannot seem to change it. can someone offer any suggestions?12:11
syamajalai will now12:12
graziesyamajala: most likely problem. if md5sum is good burn the image slowly12:15
grazieradioaktivstorm: take a look at this >> http://xubuntuguide.org/tiki-index.php#Small_font_sizes12:17
radioaktivstormthanks grazie :)12:18
syamajalagrazie: its fine12:21
syamajalathe md512:21
syamajalabut i just noticed12:22
syamajalai keep getting buffer i/o errors on hdc12:22
graziesyamajala: how did you burn the image?12:22
syamajalawith disk utility12:22
grazieos x?12:22
grazieand you selected verify on the burn?12:23
graziecan you read the disk contents from os x?12:24

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