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| PuMpErNiCkLe | kumamoto: I think he meant GParted. I can't be sure, though. | 12:37 |
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| kumamoto | PuMpErNiCkLe: maybe it is the terminology that got me confused | 12:41 |
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| kumamoto | my bad | 12:42 |
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| neozen | meeep | 01:25 |
| PuMpErNiCkLe | ^^ | 01:26 |
| neozen | hoallo there | 01:27 |
| neozen | room's been so quiet as of late | 01:28 |
| neozen | don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing | 01:28 |
| posingaspopular | neozen: im new to the room but i dont have anything to say | 01:29 |
| posingaspopular | and im going watching a movie/leaving for school soon | 01:29 |
| neozen | heh | 01:29 |
| neozen | well... I'm in class | 01:29 |
| posingaspopular | ah i have to drive to school in 1/2 an hour | 01:30 |
| posingaspopular | :/ | 01:30 |
| neozen | lol | 01:30 |
| neozen | at least... I don't have to do that | 01:30 |
| neozen | ..instead | 01:30 |
| neozen | ...i take a 2 hour train into the city | 01:30 |
| neozen | (chicago) | 01:31 |
| posingaspopular | i live in chicago. midway | 01:31 |
| neozen | really? | 01:31 |
| posingaspopular | what school are you at | 01:31 |
| neozen | depaul | 01:31 |
| posingaspopular | yea really | 01:31 |
| neozen | small world ::grins:: | 01:31 |
| posingaspopular | oh on the northside by fullerton? or downtown by wabash? | 01:31 |
| posingaspopular | ha yea | 01:31 |
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| neozen | wabash & jackson | 01:32 |
| neozen | ...here for comp sci | 01:32 |
| posingaspopular | yea downtown | 01:32 |
| neozen | ..all that stuffs @ the loop campus | 01:32 |
| neozen | ...the one in LP is more for arts | 01:32 |
| neozen | history | 01:32 |
| posingaspopular | mmhm. i know a bunch of people at depaul | 01:32 |
| neozen | where go you? | 01:33 |
| neozen | (school) | 01:33 |
| posingaspopular | uh richard daley, junior college. 75th and pulaski | 01:33 |
| posingaspopular | south | 01:33 |
| neozen | ah | 01:33 |
| posingaspopular | yes sir | 01:35 |
| posingaspopular | depaul is pretty cool, i like the game lab | 01:35 |
| === neozen grins | ||
| neozen | .....definately a great perk | 01:35 |
| neozen | ...haven't gotten much of a chance to go this term | 01:35 |
| posingaspopular | ha yea, all the tvs.... | 01:36 |
| neozen | ...been too busy w/ clas | 01:36 |
| jlamr | anyone know about why my wireless router occasionally cuts out - like when coming back from standby. Only comes on reboot | 01:36 |
| posingaspopular | were you a part of the detag competition | 01:36 |
| jlamr | s/comes/comes back/ | 01:36 |
| posingaspopular | ? | 01:37 |
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| posingaspopular | neozen: detag? | 01:38 |
| neozen | yeah | 01:38 |
| neozen | ..I was one of the people who won | 01:39 |
| posingaspopular | you were? did you hear about the douchebag who busted his head open? | 01:39 |
| neozen | nope | 01:39 |
| === posingaspopular is best friends with the douchebag | ||
| neozen | ah | 01:39 |
| posingaspopular | 4 in the head, 2 in the moustache | 01:39 |
| neozen | jlamr | 01:40 |
| neozen | do you mean your router | 01:40 |
| neozen | ..or your wireless card | 01:40 |
| neozen | ....and i'd have to know which card | 01:40 |
| neozen | ....plus... standby does weird things on my laptop as well | 01:40 |
| jlamr | ah yeah wireless card | 01:40 |
| === posingaspopular is afk | ||
| neozen | ...as far as I know... it depends on which power management drivers you are using | 01:41 |
| jlamr | i had to use fwcutter to install driver - its a dynex generic best buy | 01:41 |
| neozen | fwcutter? | 01:41 |
| neozen | !fwcutter | 01:41 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about fwcutter - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 01:41 |
| neozen | that bot...... need a massive upgrade | 01:42 |
| neozen | s/need/needs/ | 01:42 |
| neozen | aaaah | 01:42 |
| neozen | gotcha | 01:42 |
| neozen | problem might not be in your card | 01:43 |
| neozen | ....my money is on your power management | 01:43 |
| === neozen shrugs | ||
| neozen | I just don't standby | 01:43 |
| jlamr | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wi...Driver/bcm43xx | 01:43 |
| jlamr | Reply With Quote | 01:43 |
| === neozen owns a thinkpad | ||
| jlamr | followed howto on that limk | 01:44 |
| neozen | ..all hail anti-shock harddrives | 01:44 |
| neozen | ...ok | 01:44 |
| neozen | oh good lord | 01:44 |
| neozen | ..its a broadcom | 01:44 |
| jlamr | yeah im on an old iseries 5GB not sure how much ram | 01:44 |
| neozen | lol | 01:44 |
| neozen | hey... it works right? | 01:45 |
| neozen | .....well ... you have a few options | 01:45 |
| jlamr | yup - well 85% : ) | 01:45 |
| neozen | 1.... don't standby | 01:45 |
| neozen | linux shouldn't really take that long to boot anyway | 01:45 |
| jlamr | sometimes synaptic or apt-get causes problem too | 01:45 |
| neozen | ..probably when your wireless isn't connected | 01:46 |
| neozen | ....they really start puking when a connection isn't there | 01:46 |
| jlamr | yeah | 01:46 |
| jlamr | do you use wireless | 01:46 |
| neozen | yeah | 01:46 |
| neozen | have an intel pro wireless 3945abg | 01:47 |
| jlamr | did you go with WPA2? | 01:47 |
| neozen | I just use wpa with a loooong key | 01:47 |
| neozen | ..thats not a dictionary word | 01:47 |
| neozen | ..by any stretch of the imagination | 01:47 |
| jlamr | right..i ve read a few howtos - was it too terrible to set up? | 01:48 |
| neozen | heh | 01:48 |
| neozen | well... my card is supported by network-manager-gnome | 01:48 |
| neozen | ......I just have a tray icon | 01:48 |
| jlamr | that helps fer sure | 01:48 |
| neozen | ...that acts like windows' wireless networking | 01:48 |
| neozen | ...i click... I get a list of visible networks | 01:49 |
| neozen | ...if it needs a password, it looks in the gnome keyring for it... and if it can't find it, it prompts | 01:49 |
| jlamr | oh man, must be nice - wifi-radar works OK for me | 01:49 |
| neozen | yeah | 01:49 |
| neozen | its way too easy | 01:50 |
| neozen | ...I'm no help @ linux group when it comes to wireless issues | 01:50 |
| jlamr | im so jealous though - i was soo happy to get wireless working. But I can really appreciate | 01:50 |
| neozen | but from all the stuff I read | 01:50 |
| jlamr | it now | 01:50 |
| neozen | getting wpa setup wasn't too hard | 01:50 |
| neozen | I know there's a wpa howto somewhere | 01:51 |
| neozen | I know you'll need wpa_supplicant | 01:51 |
| PuMpErNiCkLe | !wpa | 01:51 |
| ubotu | Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs | 01:51 |
| jlamr | now im just using mac restriction diff ssid and no broadcast | 01:51 |
| neozen | well..... mac restriction is easy to get around | 01:52 |
| kristjans | is | 01:52 |
| kristjans | ... | 01:52 |
| neozen | ...deauth the actual user | 01:52 |
| jlamr | yeah, wireless in general | 01:52 |
| kristjans | any good php editor for xfce? | 01:52 |
| === neozen ponders | ||
| jlamr | !kismet | 01:52 |
| neozen | vim? | 01:52 |
| ubotu | kismet: Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 2006.04.R1-1.1 (edgy), package size 964 kB, installed size 2448 kB | 01:52 |
| === neozen uses vim for everything | ||
| jlamr | ive done a webpage in only vi | 01:53 |
| kristjans | i'm more into gui applications | 01:53 |
| kristjans | i believe i could do it too, but i find it to be less to my liking | 01:53 |
| neozen | kristjans: can you deal w/ xemacs? | 01:53 |
| kristjans | neozen: i have no idea, i suppose i have to try it ;) | 01:54 |
| kumamoto | jlamr, is that plain html or html css javascript ruby all that good stuff | 01:54 |
| PuMpErNiCkLe | !info scite | 01:54 |
| ubotu | scite: Lightweight GTK-based Programming Editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.69-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 778 kB, installed size 1956 kB | 01:54 |
| kristjans | scite sounds good | 01:55 |
| neozen | o.O | 01:55 |
| neozen | new to me | 01:55 |
| === neozen snags | ||
| kristjans | installing | 01:55 |
| jlamr | plain ollllll html although wrote perl cgi scripts too - nothin special | 01:56 |
| neozen | ..I can't deal w/ vi | 01:56 |
| jlamr | once you figure it out its not bad - better than word in some respects | 01:57 |
| neozen | .....I like having more then one undo | 01:58 |
| neozen | ..thus.... vim | 01:58 |
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| jlamr | use '.' | 01:58 |
| jlamr | period | 01:58 |
| neozen | .......? | 01:58 |
| jlamr | period repeats last command | 01:59 |
| neozen | then.. you might be using vim and just not know it | 01:59 |
| neozen | original vi only let you undo one thing | 01:59 |
| neozen | !vim | 01:59 |
| ubotu | Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code | 01:59 |
| kristjans | !html | 02:00 |
| ubotu | html is HyperText Markup Language, used to build webpages. Editors in Ubuntu: Bluefish, Quanta+, Screem, and Nvu. For howto on HTML coding, see: http://www.w3schools.com | 02:00 |
| neozen | scite is interesting | 02:00 |
| neozen | thanke pumpernickle | 02:00 |
| jlamr | maybe vi == vim? in new distros | 02:00 |
| kristjans | does scite have to so unfit my theme though? | 02:00 |
| neozen | lol | 02:00 |
| neozen | kristjans: dark theme user? | 02:00 |
| kristjans | neozen: yup | 02:01 |
| neozen | hehehe | 02:01 |
| neozen | who knows | 02:01 |
| neozen | ..perhaps its got skins | 02:01 |
| neozen | or some kind of color configuration | 02:01 |
| kristjans | hopefully | 02:02 |
| neozen | well.... I've found a global preferences file | 02:03 |
| neozen | Options - > Open ___________ options file | 02:03 |
| neozen | standard linux configuration | 02:03 |
| neozen | ....one biiiiiig text file | 02:03 |
| neozen | ....kind of mean for a gui editor... but I can understand | 02:04 |
| neozen | ...easier to code that way | 02:04 |
| kristjans | i though it would be longer | 02:04 |
| neozen | heh | 02:06 |
| neozen | this... is why I use vim in a terminal | 02:06 |
| neozen | black bg ... green text | 02:06 |
| kristjans | how can you stand it? | 02:06 |
| kristjans | :D | 02:06 |
| neozen | because its how I started | 02:06 |
| neozen | ....was raised on an original IBM pc | 02:07 |
| neozen | 1 color | 02:07 |
| neozen | ...if you poked a button... what that color was changed | 02:07 |
| kristjans | it would make more sense to have 2 colours | 02:07 |
| neozen | well | 02:07 |
| neozen | black and one color | 02:07 |
| === neozen grins | ||
| kristjans | ;) | 02:07 |
| === jlamr remembers when printer paper hed those holes on the ide | ||
| neozen | hell yeah | 02:08 |
| jlamr | >side | 02:08 |
| neozen | I still have one of those | 02:08 |
| === neozen still has a working proprinter | ||
| neozen | ...and about 20 cartridges | 02:09 |
| neozen | ...should last me till I die | 02:09 |
| jlamr | they dont make em like that any more | 02:09 |
| neozen | lol | 02:09 |
| jlamr | thank god :) | 02:09 |
| neozen | hey.... they were easy to program back in the day | 02:09 |
| neozen | ...now..... youd better know postscript (if you're lucky) ...or some proprietary language (if you're not) | 02:10 |
| neozen | ....the key w/ the proprinter... is to tell a computer that its not a printer | 02:11 |
| neozen | ...that its just a pipe | 02:11 |
| neozen | ...and to stick characters into it directly | 02:11 |
| jlamr | itll all be digital someday...maybe | 02:11 |
| neozen | ..otherwise.... it starts printing multiple times to make it darker... stupid drivers | 02:11 |
| neozen | if I wanted it dark... I'd use the ancient HP cube in the corner | 02:12 |
| neozen | *not so ancient | 02:12 |
| neozen | kristjans: ....you might also want to look into gvim | 02:12 |
| neozen | ....more minimal then an IDE | 02:13 |
| neozen | ...but kicks the #@$#@$ out of mousepad | 02:13 |
| jlamr | ever changed the default 'ready' message on a hp printer? Something like 'Insert Quarter' | 02:13 |
| neozen | LOL | 02:13 |
| kristjans | i am unenlightened. couldn't i just use screem? | 02:14 |
| neozen | fear not | 02:14 |
| neozen | gvim is for the unenlightened | 02:14 |
| neozen | ....think of it... as the gateway drug | 02:14 |
| === neozen smiles | ||
| kristjans | okay ;) | 02:14 |
| neozen | still needs vim commands though | 02:15 |
| neozen | when you want to edit the file... just hit i | 02:15 |
| kristjans | vim-gtk? | 02:15 |
| neozen | yeah | 02:15 |
| kristjans | i've figured that out | 02:15 |
| kristjans | the i and esc keys | 02:15 |
| kristjans | ; | 02:15 |
| neozen | I can recommend a great vim tutorial | 02:16 |
| jlamr | and :w to save | 02:16 |
| neozen | ESC u to undo | 02:17 |
| jlamr | yeah ESC is your friend | 02:17 |
| kristjans | okay. what advantage does it have over ctrl+s? | 02:17 |
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| neozen | heh | 02:18 |
| neozen | you can use it on a terminal that doesn't have a cntrl key | 02:18 |
| kristjans | hm | 02:18 |
| kristjans | i've never used a terminal | 02:18 |
| neozen | ...think about the history of command line stuff | 02:18 |
| === neozen blinks | ||
| neozen | ...I really do pity the windows generation | 02:19 |
| === neozen smiles | ||
| jlamr | whyzat neozen ? | 02:19 |
| kristjans | i am trying to understand, but i have a thick head | 02:19 |
| neozen | kristjans: no worries | 02:20 |
| neozen | ...at all | 02:20 |
| neozen | I'm just being annoying | 02:20 |
| === neozen grins | ||
| neozen | kristjans: there exist great ide's for linux | 02:22 |
| neozen | ...i just don't use them | 02:22 |
| neozen | the one exception is java | 02:22 |
| neozen | ..i use an ide for java | 02:22 |
| jlamr | neozen, recommend a beginner tuturial for java? | 02:23 |
| kristjans | isn't there a just "mousepad" with ftp support + syntax highlighting? :P | 02:23 |
| neozen | LOL | 02:23 |
| neozen | jlamr: do you know c++? | 02:24 |
| Jester45 | kristjans: yes, my script + scite | 02:24 |
| neozen | hey there jester | 02:24 |
| neozen | know how to configure scite to work w/ dark themes? | 02:24 |
| neozen | ie... black bg lighter text by default? | 02:25 |
| jlamr | nope a little c# plus perl, and sigh vb.. | 02:25 |
| Jester45 | hey, iva been at my girlfriends she broke her computer | 02:25 |
| neozen | these things happen | 02:25 |
| neozen | jlamr well.... actually I can't | 02:25 |
| neozen | ..I took classes in java | 02:26 |
| neozen | ...and the books were worthless | 02:26 |
| Jester45 | i would never make a program in java | 02:26 |
| neozen | for a reference ... I can highly recommend the tiger book | 02:26 |
| neozen | ...search function sucks though | 02:26 |
| neozen | ....for searching the api.. take a look @ sun's online api documentation | 02:27 |
| neozen | ...its VERY in depth | 02:27 |
| jlamr | just gotta jump in i guess | 02:27 |
| neozen | some of the nicest I've seen | 02:27 |
| neozen | jester... why? | 02:27 |
| jlamr | sometimes too much info is a bad thing | 02:27 |
| neozen | lol | 02:27 |
| Jester45 | kristjans: my script mounts ftp sites | 02:27 |
| Jester45 | neozen: waste of computer power | 02:27 |
| kristjans | i think it would be perfect with a support for black theme | 02:28 |
| neozen | Jester45: lol | 02:28 |
| jlamr | memory hog? | 02:28 |
| neozen | yeah | 02:28 |
| neozen | but I've got a gig of ram | 02:28 |
| neozen | ...my memory problems stopped LONG ago | 02:28 |
| Jester45 | neozen: 2 g ram here | 02:28 |
| neozen | and under linux... java loads in a sane amount of time | 02:29 |
| Jester45 | and i still could use more | 02:29 |
| neozen | Jester45: ........ | 02:29 |
| jlamr | firefox is java right? | 02:29 |
| neozen | well... I know azureus is | 02:29 |
| neozen | I don't think firefox is | 02:29 |
| kristjans | first time i hear that ff would be java | 02:29 |
| PuMpErNiCkLe | It isn't. | 02:29 |
| neozen | since it doesn't seem to need a jre | 02:29 |
| Jester45 | i think ff is perl or python | 02:30 |
| neozen | my money is on python | 02:30 |
| jlamr | shell scripts? | 02:30 |
| Jester45 | or some other language that starts with p | 02:30 |
| Jester45 | jlamr: what about them | 02:30 |
| neozen | jlamr: no | 02:30 |
| neozen | jlamr: ff would not be shell scripts | 02:30 |
| Jester45 | o | 02:30 |
| PuMpErNiCkLe | It's C/C++. | 02:30 |
| jlamr | jk | 02:30 |
| neozen | that.... would be...... something else | 02:30 |
| neozen | though... I have seen a shell script web browser | 02:31 |
| neozen | ...came with ulinux | 02:31 |
| neozen | ....how do I type non-standard characters under linux? | 02:31 |
| neozen | like the symbol for micro | 02:31 |
| Jester45 | there ia a cli browser but... i dont know if its a sh | 02:31 |
| neozen | lynx always treated me nice | 02:32 |
| kristjans | i guess | 02:32 |
| kristjans | i'm going to stick with mousepad | 02:32 |
| Jester45 | you mean like....? | 02:33 |
| neozen | jester: exactly | 02:33 |
| neozen | kristjans: awwww don't do that | 02:33 |
| Jester45 | neozen: google them :) i googled utorrent because the u should be a | 02:33 |
| neozen | LOL | 02:33 |
| Jester45 | kristjans: what are you sticking to mousepad with | 02:34 |
| neozen | code editing | 02:34 |
| neozen | ....ick | 02:34 |
| Jester45 | use scite | 02:34 |
| kristjans | html and php | 02:34 |
| kristjans | scite looks | 02:34 |
| kristjans | ugly :( | 02:34 |
| neozen | once you have intelligent autoindent... you never go back | 02:34 |
| Jester45 | i use html with scite | 02:34 |
| jlamr | thought I saw a character map somewhere, | 02:34 |
| kristjans | i think i would have too hard time configuring it though | 02:35 |
| neozen | kristjans: come back in a week | 02:35 |
| neozen | ..if I've made it work... I'll be letting you know | 02:35 |
| kristjans | i think removing the icons would help | 02:36 |
| neozen | lol | 02:36 |
| kristjans | because i don't need any of thos | 02:36 |
| kristjans | okay | 02:36 |
| kristjans | removed | 02:36 |
| kristjans | way better :) | 02:36 |
| Jester45 | i would like to learn perl...but im to lazy right now | 02:36 |
| neozen | there's always a setting to whack out the toolbar | 02:36 |
| neozen | the camel book is great for that | 02:36 |
| jlamr | 02:37 | |
| kristjans | yeah but it just a waste of space | 02:37 |
| kristjans | is | 02:37 |
| === neozen nods | ||
| kristjans | there a way to remove half of the menus? : | 02:37 |
| neozen | LOL | 02:37 |
| neozen | just use vim | 02:37 |
| neozen | in a terminal | 02:37 |
| neozen | I know there's a syntax highlighter for PHP and HTML | 02:37 |
| neozen | script for vim | 02:38 |
| kristjans | i want file > open/save/save as and search and maybe a preferences | 02:38 |
| neozen | ....well.... you could always write one | 02:38 |
| neozen | kristjans: care to learn python? | 02:38 |
| neozen | j/k | 02:38 |
| kristjans | hm... | 02:38 |
| kristjans | i have to think about that ;) | 02:38 |
| neozen | if you write it... we will come | 02:39 |
| jlamr | http://www.php-editors.com/review/ | 02:40 |
| === neozen chuckles | ||
| kristjans | but can the language list be cut down? | 02:40 |
| kristjans | i've never heard about half of the languages | 02:41 |
| kristjans | there | 02:41 |
| neozen | hmm | 02:41 |
| kristjans | html, css and php would be fine with me | 02:41 |
| neozen | wait... you mean in scite? | 02:41 |
| kristjans | yeah | 02:41 |
| neozen | ...don't worry about it | 02:41 |
| neozen | ..it should auto detect which syntax highlighting to use | 02:42 |
| neozen | SHOULD | 02:42 |
| kristjans | okay | 02:42 |
| neozen | hey... I got something | 02:42 |
| neozen | nedit | 02:42 |
| kristjans | then how do i remove the language menu?:P | 02:42 |
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| kristjans | i tried nedit, it didn't even start | 02:45 |
| neozen | what do you mean didn't start | 02:46 |
| kristjans | i typed in gedit, nothing happened. i typed it in terminal and a couple lines of text came there and nothing else happened | 02:46 |
| neozen | nedit | 02:47 |
| neozen | ..not gedit | 02:47 |
| kristjans | nedit then | 02:47 |
| neozen | sudo aptitude install nedit | 02:47 |
| kristjans | i typed in nedit then ;) | 02:47 |
| neozen | run from a terminal | 02:47 |
| neozen | *run that line | 02:47 |
| kristjans | BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) | 02:47 |
| kristjans | etc... | 02:47 |
| kristjans | that's when i tried it | 02:47 |
| neozen | BadMatch? | 02:48 |
| kristjans | it's | 02:48 |
| kristjans | 3 more lines | 02:48 |
| neozen | did you install nedit? | 02:48 |
| kristjans | i did | 02:48 |
| neozen | ...ok | 02:49 |
| kristjans | and i already uninstalled it too | 02:49 |
| neozen | lol | 02:49 |
| kristjans | so is | 02:50 |
| kristjans | it hopeless to find a html/css/php editor that i could strip down to my needs? | 02:50 |
| neozen | yes | 02:50 |
| neozen | ..... if you want minimal | 02:50 |
| neozen | ...you want terminal | 02:50 |
| neozen | ::grins:: | 02:51 |
| kristjans | terminal is | 02:51 |
| kristjans | too minimal | 02:51 |
| neozen | LOL | 02:51 |
| kristjans | i would like something that would not be minimal, and what would let me remove all the features | 02:51 |
| kristjans | that i don't want | 02:51 |
| kristjans | or be minimal, and let me add these. kind of like firefox. | 02:52 |
| neozen | lol | 02:52 |
| neozen | I would call firefox many things | 02:52 |
| neozen | ...minimal isn't one of them | 02:52 |
| kristjans | it's kind of a base | 02:52 |
| kristjans | to which you add plugins and things | 02:52 |
| kristjans | like that | 02:52 |
| neozen | anything which eats ram like that..... is not minimal | 02:52 |
| neozen | however... it WORKS | 02:53 |
| neozen | so I'll forgive it | 02:53 |
| kristjans | what i like about firefox is | 02:53 |
| neozen | go look up emacs and its variants | 02:53 |
| kristjans | that i use most of it's menus that i can see | 02:54 |
| neozen | there's a million of them | 02:54 |
| kristjans | not those that are hidden though | 02:54 |
| neozen | ..and they are infinitely configurable | 02:54 |
| kristjans | hmm... i was | 02:55 |
| kristjans | afraid that someone will say that | 02:55 |
| neozen | ok | 02:55 |
| neozen | ....well... you want minimal | 02:55 |
| neozen | ...gui | 02:55 |
| neozen | ...and lots of configuration | 02:55 |
| neozen | .....emacs | 02:55 |
| kristjans | i have tried it | 02:55 |
| kristjans | i didn't get further than seeing how ugly it looked | 02:55 |
| kristjans | then i closed it | 02:55 |
| neozen | let me guess ... not to your liking? | 02:56 |
| kristjans | then i typed in emacs | 02:56 |
| kristjans | gtk2 | 02:56 |
| kristjans | and found some questions | 02:56 |
| kristjans | and no guides | 02:56 |
| kristjans | then i removed it | 02:56 |
| neozen | well.... theres this thing | 02:57 |
| neozen | its called google | 02:57 |
| neozen | ..type in emacs... tutorial | 02:57 |
| neozen | ::grins:: | 02:57 |
| kristjans | google was | 02:57 |
| kristjans | the place where i typed in emacs gt2 | 02:57 |
| neozen | ah | 02:57 |
| kristjans | gtk | 02:57 |
| neozen | xemacs | 02:57 |
| neozen | I know that works | 02:57 |
| kristjans | xemacs21? | 02:58 |
| kristjans | 32.9mb? | 02:58 |
| kristjans | minimal? | 02:58 |
| kristjans | :P | 02:58 |
| neozen | lol | 02:58 |
| neozen | from your descriptions | 02:58 |
| neozen | ..you don't want minimal | 02:58 |
| jlamr | any time i need php i just google/copy/paste - but then again, im a hack | 02:58 |
| neozen | ..you want maximum configurability | 02:59 |
| neozen | ..so you can strip it down | 02:59 |
| neozen | .....lots of configuration..... does not get you minimal | 02:59 |
| kristjans | hmm | 02:59 |
| neozen | besides | 02:59 |
| neozen | don't be stingy w/ disk space | 03:00 |
| neozen | ..how large is the HD | 03:00 |
| kristjans | After unpacking 107MB of additional disk space will be used. | 03:00 |
| kristjans | 75 gb | 03:00 |
| neozen | yeah | 03:00 |
| neozen | well... | 03:00 |
| neozen | I think you can spare the 32mb | 03:00 |
| neozen | ..if it gets you what you want | 03:00 |
| kristjans | it's 107 mb | 03:00 |
| neozen | well... ::grins:: that's emacs | 03:01 |
| neozen | ...be sure to use aptitude when you install | 03:01 |
| kristjans | i pressed Y | 03:01 |
| neozen | ..instead of apt-get | 03:01 |
| kristjans | why? | 03:01 |
| kristjans | i though they are the same thing | 03:01 |
| kristjans | thought* | 03:01 |
| neozen | ...if you whack something out... it will remove the dependancies it installed along with something | 03:01 |
| neozen | but it can only do that when you install w/ aptitude | 03:02 |
| neozen | apt-get doesn't remove all the dependancies | 03:02 |
| neozen | certainly not in my experience | 03:02 |
| kristjans | okay | 03:02 |
| neozen | the good news is | 03:02 |
| neozen | ..you can speak to them in the same way | 03:02 |
| neozen | the syntax for commands is exactly the same | 03:03 |
| neozen | sudo aptitude install packagename | 03:03 |
| neozen | sudo aptitude purge packagename | 03:03 |
| neozen | etc | 03:03 |
| kristjans | that's why i thought they were the same | 03:03 |
| neozen | no | 03:03 |
| neozen | they're different | 03:03 |
| neozen | aptitude is a front-end to apt-get | 03:03 |
| neozen | ..that does more | 03:03 |
| kristjans | "remove" and "purge" are different then too? | 03:04 |
| neozen | yes | 03:04 |
| neozen | remove whacks out the binaries and some configs | 03:04 |
| neozen | ..purge whacks out EVERYTHING | 03:04 |
| kristjans | i don't want it to remove EVERYTHING lol :P | 03:05 |
| neozen | everything that it created | 03:05 |
| neozen | ...or added | 03:05 |
| kristjans | yeah:P | 03:05 |
| neozen | when it installed | 03:05 |
| kristjans | is xemacs easy to configure though? | 03:05 |
| neozen | should be | 03:05 |
| neozen | ..... | 03:05 |
| neozen | if you know lisp | 03:05 |
| kristjans | mm | 03:05 |
| kristjans | what's that? | 03:05 |
| neozen | programming language | 03:06 |
| jlamr | Im off, but kristjans there is a ##php chan here, maybe those folks could recommend something specifically for your needs | 03:06 |
| kristjans | uh | 03:06 |
| kristjans | emacs is | 03:06 |
| kristjans | gray | 03:06 |
| neozen | configurable | 03:07 |
| neozen | and its gray | 03:07 |
| kristjans | can i configure it to be exactly like mousepad? | 03:07 |
| neozen | because that's the bg of your dark theme | 03:07 |
| neozen | ...probably | 03:07 |
| kristjans | how long will it take? | 03:07 |
| neozen | don't know | 03:07 |
| neozen | I've done what I can for you | 03:08 |
| kristjans | thanks | 03:08 |
| neozen | ..and suggested all I can think of | 03:08 |
| neozen | ....you... are what is known as a tough customer ::Grins:: | 03:08 |
| kristjans | :D | 03:08 |
| neozen | you're welcome | 03:08 |
| kristjans | i know what i want but i have a hard time expressing it | 03:08 |
| neozen | you might want to work on that | 03:09 |
| neozen | it will serve you better then anything else in life | 03:09 |
| kristjans | & i don't want to spam the channel | 03:09 |
| neozen | ...not like anyone else is speaking | 03:10 |
| === neozen grins | ||
| kristjans | emacs is | 03:10 |
| kristjans | scary | 03:10 |
| neozen | yep | 03:11 |
| kristjans | the closest thing to what i want seems | 03:11 |
| neozen | lol | 03:11 |
| kristjans | still to be mousepad | 03:11 |
| neozen | well .. there is good news | 03:11 |
| neozen | http://blog.xfce.org/?p=153 | 03:11 |
| kristjans | woah | 03:12 |
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| neozen | yeah | 03:13 |
| neozen | mousepad might be getting all those features you know and love | 03:13 |
| neozen | heck... it might have them now | 03:13 |
| kristjans | i think it would be the best to go through plugins though | 03:14 |
| kristjans | i love the default configuration for mousepad | 03:14 |
| === neozen nods | ||
| neozen | its all about the direction the developer is willing to go in | 03:15 |
| neozen | ...you want to go in a different direction | 03:15 |
| neozen | ..write your own | 03:15 |
| neozen | ..that's been the way of it since the beginning | 03:15 |
| neozen | ..remember... most of these coders aren't getting paid | 03:15 |
| kristjans | it would be way easier if i knew how to program applications | 03:15 |
| neozen | well | 03:16 |
| neozen | if you know python | 03:16 |
| neozen | ...just look up the gtk bindings for it | 03:16 |
| neozen | ...I think even php had gtk bindings | 03:16 |
| neozen | *has | 03:16 |
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| kristjans | okay | 03:17 |
| kristjans | so, i stick with mousepad. for now. : | 03:18 |
| neozen | lol | 03:18 |
| kristjans | what i miss about it is a preferences dialog | 03:18 |
| neozen | or you snag the newest version of it | 03:18 |
| neozen | ...where all the stuff might be in | 03:18 |
| kristjans | i don't want all the stuff though | 03:19 |
| kristjans | as i said, mousepad seems to fit me the best ;) | 03:20 |
| neozen | ................. | 03:20 |
| === neozen shrugs | ||
| neozen | ok | 03:20 |
| kristjans | i even think it has too many options right now | 03:20 |
| === neozen blinks | ||
| neozen | we... do not think alike | 03:21 |
| === neozen grins | ||
| kristjans | :P | 03:21 |
| neozen | though don't get me wrong | 03:21 |
| neozen | I hate emacs | 03:21 |
| neozen | having an entire os in my editor.. seems a bit much for me | 03:21 |
| kristjans | :P | 03:21 |
| neozen | ..ancient joke | 03:21 |
| kristjans | (File>as it is; Edit>Undo, Redo, Preferences; Search>as it is; Options > As | 03:22 |
| kristjans | it is | 03:22 |
| kristjans | that would be the 4 menus | 03:22 |
| kristjans | of my dream application | 03:22 |
| neozen | yeah | 03:23 |
| kristjans | the syntax highlighting would be under the preferences | 03:23 |
| neozen | ....so | 03:23 |
| neozen | go write it | 03:23 |
| neozen | ...seriously | 03:23 |
| kristjans | writing an application to write web sites? isn't it too much :D | 03:23 |
| neozen | lol | 03:24 |
| kristjans | i'll never get the web site done like that | 03:24 |
| neozen | yeah | 03:24 |
| neozen | well.... then I guess you deal w/ the solutions available | 03:26 |
| kristjans | i can deal with it | 03:26 |
| neozen | coo | 03:26 |
| kristjans | i was just wondering, if there is | 03:26 |
| kristjans | something like that | 03:26 |
| kristjans | ;) | 03:26 |
| neozen | I think we've pretty much exhausted the options | 03:26 |
| neozen | take a look @ that list jlamr posted | 03:26 |
| neozen | maybe you'll find what you seek | 03:27 |
| neozen | ..just realize | 03:27 |
| neozen | you might have to be flexible | 03:27 |
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| neozen | alllright | 03:27 |
| neozen | next question | 03:27 |
| neozen | LOL | 03:27 |
| kristjans | :P | 03:27 |
| kristjans | at least i now know that i like mousepad more than i though | 03:28 |
| kristjans | t | 03:28 |
| neozen | lol | 03:29 |
| neozen | that's good | 03:29 |
| neozen | ...one should like one's editor | 03:29 |
| neozen | ...in linux you end up spending an awful lot of time in it | 03:29 |
| neozen | this.. is why there are holy wars over editors | 03:30 |
| neozen | did you ever like textpad? | 03:30 |
| neozen | under windows? | 03:30 |
| kristjans | i liked notepad | 03:30 |
| neozen | EWWWWWWWWWWWWW! | 03:30 |
| neozen | I could never go back | 03:30 |
| neozen | I've grown to like smart indent far too much | 03:31 |
| kristjans | hm | 03:31 |
| kristjans | what's that?:P | 03:31 |
| neozen | ok | 03:31 |
| neozen | imagine ... you type an { | 03:31 |
| neozen | you whack enter | 03:31 |
| kristjans | oh that | 03:31 |
| neozen | you start typing | 03:31 |
| neozen | ...it indents | 03:31 |
| kristjans | vim? | 03:32 |
| neozen | ...when you type a } | 03:32 |
| neozen | ..it lines it up w/ the other one | 03:32 |
| neozen | yeah | 03:32 |
| neozen | vim has it | 03:32 |
| neozen | emacs has it | 03:32 |
| neozen | ...any editor (including the current 0.3.x mousepad apparently) seems to have it | 03:32 |
| neozen | except the mousepad that comes w/ xubuntu dapper | 03:33 |
| neozen | I do a ton of coding | 03:33 |
| kristjans | i need .3.x mousepad | 03:34 |
| kristjans | :P | 03:34 |
| neozen | ...and when my editor lines up my code for me .... so I don't have to.... and runs fast.... and doesn't slow me down.... I fall in love | 03:34 |
| neozen | ok | 03:34 |
| neozen | you'll probably have to compile from source | 03:34 |
| neozen | and....... it might be beta | 03:34 |
| neozen | but it exists | 03:35 |
| kristjans | http://svn.xfce.org/svn/xfce/mousepad/branches/mousepad-0.3.x/ | 03:36 |
| === neozen nods | ||
| neozen | you know how to compile right? | 03:36 |
| kristjans | i'm clueless | 03:36 |
| kristjans | make / make install? | 03:36 |
| neozen | ...ok... I'll do it with you | 03:36 |
| kristjans | i see no configure file | 03:36 |
| neozen | load up a terminal | 03:36 |
| kristjans | loaded to src folder | 03:36 |
| neozen | (mousepad 0.3 seems like a good thing to carry around anyway) | 03:37 |
| neozen | ok | 03:37 |
| kristjans | i tried svn before | 03:37 |
| kristjans | bash: svn: command not found | 03:37 |
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| neozen | yeah | 03:38 |
| neozen | working on that | 03:39 |
| kristjans | isn't the package git-svn | 03:39 |
| kristjans | ? | 03:39 |
| kristjans | i'm just guessing, i have no clue | 03:39 |
| neozen | HEY GUYS!!!! | 03:40 |
| neozen | wakee wakee!!! | 03:40 |
| neozen | lol | 03:40 |
| kristjans | :P | 03:40 |
| kristjans | git-svn is already the newest version. | 03:40 |
| kristjans | can't be that | 03:40 |
| neozen | got it | 03:41 |
| neozen | aptitude install subversion | 03:41 |
| kristjans | okay, almost installed | 03:42 |
| neozen | LOL | 03:44 |
| neozen | nm | 03:44 |
| neozen | requires at least 3 or 4 more tools | 03:45 |
| kristjans | hm | 03:46 |
| neozen | and the list just keeps growing | 03:46 |
| neozen | ...bah | 03:46 |
| neozen | ...forgot how much of a pain this can be | 03:46 |
| kristjans | XFCE Desktop Environment ...and everything goes faster! :) | 03:47 |
| neozen | it does | 03:47 |
| neozen | it really does | 03:47 |
| neozen | the software is fast | 03:47 |
| neozen | ..just don't mess w/ it | 03:47 |
| kristjans | :P | 03:47 |
| neozen | plus installing development versions is always a pain | 03:47 |
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| cellofellow | I think I have a buggy xfce4-panel. It's hogging lots of CPU. | 03:55 |
| neozen | yeah | 03:56 |
| cellofellow | and doesn't respond to SIGTERM, but needs a SIGKILL | 03:57 |
| neozen | I've noticed my cpu usage maxing out as well | 03:57 |
| neozen | though the culprit appears to be X | 03:57 |
| neozen | *Xorg | 03:57 |
| neozen | on dapper | 03:57 |
| neozen | according to top | 03:57 |
| cellofellow | well, Min | 03:57 |
| cellofellow | Mine's usually Xorg, but it calms down. | 03:57 |
| neozen | mine hasn't been as of late | 03:58 |
| cellofellow | I had a rouge xfce4-panel process. | 03:58 |
| neozen | ..is beginning to vex me | 03:58 |
| neozen | lol | 03:58 |
| neozen | if it does it any more | 03:58 |
| neozen | I'll whack out Xorg | 03:58 |
| cellofellow | and use what? | 03:58 |
| cellofellow | Emcs? | 03:58 |
| cellofellow | Emacs* | 03:58 |
| neozen | reinstall | 03:58 |
| neozen | LOL | 03:58 |
| neozen | no | 03:58 |
| neozen | I'd never do that | 03:59 |
| cellofellow | X is just a bear anyways | 03:59 |
| neozen | good thing linux doesn't use it anymore | 03:59 |
| neozen | ::grins:: | 03:59 |
| neozen | all hail Xorg | 03:59 |
| neozen | but yes | 03:59 |
| neozen | it is indeed | 03:59 |
| cellofellow | I just installed E16 (though I wanted E17) and it's weird. | 03:59 |
| === cellofellow is using XFCE right now | ||
| neozen | e16? | 04:00 |
| cellofellow | Enlightenment | 04:00 |
| neozen | aaah | 04:00 |
| cellofellow | 0.16 | 04:00 |
| neozen | ...I just use whatever came w/ xubuntu dapper | 04:00 |
| neozen | ....a few themes | 04:00 |
| neozen | ..firefox | 04:00 |
| neozen | ...azureus | 04:00 |
| neozen | and gaim | 04:01 |
| cellofellow | Swiftfox, Gmail, OpenOffice (can't stand Abiword really). Gajim | 04:01 |
| neozen | lol | 04:01 |
| neozen | I don't write papers | 04:01 |
| neozen | ...yay for being in my senior year | 04:01 |
| neozen | ....there isn't a c++ prof alive that doesn't accept txt | 04:01 |
| === neozen grins | ||
| cellofellow | I need to write more. I like Google Docs, 'specially when I need to work with other people. | 04:02 |
| neozen | I take it google has created a collaboration editor? | 04:02 |
| neozen | ...finally | 04:02 |
| neozen | I've been waiting for that | 04:02 |
| cellofellow | Google Docs has been around forever. It's a web-based "word processor" that has nice collab features. Used to be called Writely, I've used it since b4 Google bought it. | 04:03 |
| === neozen nods | ||
| cellofellow | forever, nah, a yeah total, as writely too, yah. | 04:03 |
| neozen | ..nice | 04:03 |
| cellofellow | !e17 | 04:04 |
| ubotu | Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work. E17 is the current development version. | 04:04 |
| neozen | ok | 04:04 |
| cellofellow | !info enlightenment | 04:04 |
| ubotu | enlightenment: The Enlightenment Window Manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.16.7.2-3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 380 kB, installed size 980 kB | 04:04 |
| neozen | I've just stuck w/ xfce | 04:04 |
| cellofellow | I'me figuring stuff out myself | 04:05 |
| neozen | its been good to me | 04:05 |
| neozen | I've customized it of course | 04:05 |
| cellofellow | I started with KDE, so I'm branching out | 04:05 |
| neozen | aaaah | 04:05 |
| neozen | I started w/ xfce | 04:05 |
| neozen | ..and been very satisfied | 04:05 |
| cellofellow | nice :) | 04:05 |
| kristjans | i started with kde | 04:05 |
| kristjans | then i tried gnome | 04:05 |
| kristjans | and then i had forgotten everything about kde | 04:05 |
| kristjans | so i tried kde again | 04:06 |
| kristjans | and then i tried gnome again | 04:06 |
| kristjans | and then i tried xfce | 04:06 |
| kristjans | and then i tried to find a better text editor than mousepad ;) | 04:06 |
| cellofellow | My first exposure to XFCE was PHAK, though I didn't know it was XFCE. It was XFCE3 or so. I thought it was weird, PHLAK's artwork didn't help. I gave the borrowed CD back. | 04:06 |
| cellofellow | kristjans: SciTE :) Vim. | 04:06 |
| neozen | ...? | 04:07 |
| kristjans | not again... :D | 04:07 |
| neozen | LOL] | 04:07 |
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| kristjans | I think I like gPHPEdit | 04:07 |
| neozen | ...ok then | 04:07 |
| neozen | use that | 04:07 |
| cellofellow | PHLAK == Professional Hackers Linux Assault Kit. XFCE-based LiveCD with security software and artwork focused on AK-47 weilding Tuxes. | 04:08 |
| neozen | O.o beta | 04:08 |
| neozen | can you say splat? | 04:08 |
| cellofellow | splat? | 04:08 |
| kristjans | my classmate would be interested in that | 04:08 |
| neozen | though... honestly... all xfce stuff is beta | 04:08 |
| neozen | ..so it can't be that bad | 04:08 |
| neozen | LOL @ cello | 04:09 |
| cellofellow | actually, I so want a copy of PHLAK now. That was an old copy and I really need a good live distro. | 04:09 |
| neozen | define good | 04:09 |
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| neozen | one of my friends swears by puppy | 04:09 |
| cellofellow | dunno. My knoppix CD died and DSL only does so much. | 04:09 |
| cellofellow | and I can't find my Puppy CD. Ubuntu CD's don't really count as live, they're sort of slow and small for Live distros. | 04:10 |
| neozen | yeah | 04:10 |
| neozen | well... there's a million livecds | 04:10 |
| neozen | distrowatch | 04:10 |
| cellofellow | I know. I downloaded PHLAK but then didn't have any CD's to burn. I do have the priveledge of using my dads laptop to burn things, but I need CD's. I resort to network installs and ShipIt for installing linux. | 04:11 |
| === cellofellow wishes there was a Firefox theme that automatically used your system iconset. | ||
| cellofellow | or, lets see how out-of-place I can make firefox look. :) I've been using Tango but it's bland. | 04:14 |
| cellofellow | hehe, I found a nice theme that's not out of place. :) | 04:18 |
| kristjans | hmm | 04:25 |
| kristjans | gphpedit or geany | 04:25 |
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| cellofellow | DrPython is nice too, based on SciTE. | 04:31 |
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| tripppy | when changing keyboard shortcuts keys, i can't set Super_L to Alt+Esc, it comes up as Super+Super_L, what am i doing wrong? | 05:04 |
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| RememberPOL | Is it possible to change display depth without restarting X? | 05:21 |
| tripppy | the resoultuion? | 05:23 |
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| j1mc | what is "display depth" anyway? i think it's the one where you get the choice between 8, 12, and 24, but i don't know what the change makes. | 05:24 |
| j1mc | or what the difference is. i always pick 24 | 05:24 |
| tripppy | RememberPOL, Ctrl+Alt++ | 05:24 |
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| PuMpErNiCkLe | j1mc: That would be color depth - the number of bits per pixel for color accuracy. | 05:42 |
| j1mc | thanks, PuMpErNiCkLe | 05:42 |
| PuMpErNiCkLe | np | 05:42 |
| BFTD | pumpernickle muffins | 05:43 |
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| PuMpErNiCkLe | mmm... muffins | 05:43 |
| knight | hi all | 05:43 |
| j1mc | hi knight | 05:43 |
| knight | has anybody install ltsp on xubuntu | 05:43 |
| BFTD | hi | 05:43 |
| j1mc | not me . . . :( | 05:44 |
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| knight | oh ok | 05:53 |
| knight | there is a known issue where | 05:53 |
| knight | xubuntu ltsp server is intsalled | 05:53 |
| knight | the thin clients can turn off the server | 05:54 |
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| j1mc | . . . that's no good. :( | 05:57 |
| knight | yup | 06:01 |
| knight | it defeats the purpose of running xubuntu as a ltsp server | 06:02 |
| cellofellow | I have openoffice.org-help-en-us installed, but OOo's help isn't working. | 06:02 |
| cellofellow | what to do? | 06:02 |
| knight | come here and ask the question | 06:04 |
| cellofellow | come where? | 06:04 |
| knight | this IRC channel | 06:04 |
| knight | lol | 06:04 |
| knight | you installed this under xbuntu | 06:05 |
| cellofellow | How do I get the Help working in OpenOffice? The package it says it needs, openoffice.org-help-en-us, is installed but the help isn't working. | 06:05 |
| cellofellow | Yes | 06:05 |
| cellofellow | Abiword just doesn't cut it, sorry. | 06:05 |
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| kristjan_ | why do I get "dpatch status /home/kristjan/varia/kiso.debdiff" gives me "/home/kristjan/varia/kiso.debdiff does not exist." | 06:06 |
| kristjan_ | what is the right way to apply debdiff then? | 06:07 |
| crimsun | patch(1) | 06:09 |
| kristjan_ | sudo patch /home/kristjan/varia/kiso.debdiff jangs | 06:10 |
| kristjan_ | *hangs | 06:10 |
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| psykidellic | hi...anybody interested in helping me detect my ethernet card? | 06:15 |
| tripppy | psykidellic, if you cant find it. turn off PC. change the PCI slot its sitting in. and try again | 06:17 |
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| psykidellic | trippy i can find it | 06:17 |
| psykidellic | the problem is that Xubuntu 6.01 nor 6.1 can detect it | 06:18 |
| psykidellic | its a 3com that uses a generic 3c59x driver | 06:18 |
| psykidellic | so i boot up with E live 0.4 live CD | 06:18 |
| psykidellic | and it detects it correctly..i can browse the net, connect to local network etc. | 06:18 |
| psykidellic | so i was wondering why Ubuntu is not detecting.... | 06:18 |
| psykidellic | i did modprobe without any result | 06:18 |
| psykidellic | so anything that i can take from elive system and put it in xubuntu? | 06:19 |
| psykidellic | trippy, i have tried changing the slot too but with same result | 06:19 |
| tripppy | mmm. ok. no idea. usually i found the irq setting to stuff me around. | 06:19 |
| tripppy | sorry im not a pro at this stuff. | 06:20 |
| psykidellic | no problem...i can get the irq setting in elive...how can i set them in Xubuntu?any idea? | 06:20 |
| tripppy | if its ubuntu your having problems with try #ubuntu | 06:20 |
| psykidellic | i tried there...nobody replied :( | 06:21 |
| tripppy | you have to wait. i sometimes wait for hours | 06:22 |
| tripppy | or try again another time | 06:22 |
| tripppy | good luck | 06:22 |
| psykidellic | okie | 06:22 |
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| cellofellow | psykidellic: oh, yeah. there's also always the forums or mailing lists. | 06:32 |
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| psykidellic | cellofellow, yeah. I will try that too. | 06:37 |
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| icicled | how do i disable the sound that comes up when gdm starts in xubuntu? | 06:56 |
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| icicled | apparently you can configure that via gdmsetup | 07:07 |
| icicled | go figure | 07:07 |
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| TexasMan915 | hello | 08:10 |
| TexasMan915 | can someone tell me what is the password to log in as a root | 08:10 |
| TexasMan915 | so how to install flash on my xubuntu | 08:11 |
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| kristjans | TexasMan915: Do you mean Flash Player in Mozilla Firefox? | 08:19 |
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| distrovader | hey new to linux does anyone know how to connect to dail up with 6.10 | 08:47 |
| distrovader | hello? | 08:49 |
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| dejx | http://rafb.net/p/A4Puhu72.html , i tried with -f and i got the same error, what can i do, i did apt-get update,its fresh install | 09:18 |
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| dejx | okaj | 09:29 |
| dejx | another thing | 09:29 |
| dejx | vi + ins,del,home,end,pgup,pgdn keys are acting weird in xubuntu | 09:30 |
| dejx | what to do? | 09:30 |
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| dejx | anyone? | 09:35 |
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| reckrhodes | what are the minimum hardware requirements for me to install the xubuntu? please help me. | 12:12 |
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| solotim | refer to xubuntu.org please | 12:45 |
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| g1gaman | can i run ubuntu installer from cd, if i boot with cdrom support from windows98 start-up floppy? there is no possibility to make cdrom as a boot device in bios :( | 01:34 |
| g1gaman | hello, gentlemen, btw | 01:34 |
| moe_evil | g1gaman: you can make a linux boot flopy from de xubuntu cdrom | 01:36 |
| moe_evil | take a look at [CDROM] /install/README.smb | 01:36 |
| g1gaman | moe_evil: can you show me how to? | 01:36 |
| g1gaman | ah oh | 01:37 |
| g1gaman | ok | 01:37 |
| g1gaman | moe_evil: tnx | 01:37 |
| moe_evil | .sbm , sorry | 01:37 |
| g1gaman | moe_evil: have you ever done that? | 01:37 |
| moe_evil | nops | 01:37 |
| moe_evil | well, some years ago :) | 01:38 |
| g1gaman | moe_evil: are you sure it'll work fine? | 01:38 |
| moe_evil | no idea | 01:38 |
| moe_evil | I'm reading the doc | 01:38 |
| moe_evil | it doesn't explain well howto to create the floppy :/ | 01:39 |
| moe_evil | maybe in the ubuntu wiki? | 01:39 |
| g1gaman | moe_evil: no, it doesnt :( | 01:40 |
| moe_evil | I find some info in the forums: | 01:40 |
| moe_evil | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-190920.html | 01:40 |
| === g1gaman checks link. thank you moe_evil | ||
| moe_evil | and in spanish: http://fabianf.wordpress.com/2007/01/29/tutorial-como-instalar-gnulinux-en-esos-pcs-viejos-que-por-la-bios-no-puedes-seleccionar-el-cd-rom/ | 01:41 |
| moe_evil | I will save this one for me :) | 01:41 |
| moe_evil | I must return to work :) | 01:43 |
| g1gaman | moe_evil: you know whats is funny? my windows computer doesn't have a floppy drive, but manual obviosly is created for windows users. i'm sorry for disturbing your work | 01:51 |
| moe_evil | umm, yo don't have a floppy and you bios doesn't boot from CD? | 01:52 |
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| moe_evil | I think that the only solution is to move the harddisk to another computer, install, and get back de HD :( | 01:52 |
| nicolah | what software do you use to burn cd/dvd in xfce ? | 01:52 |
| moe_evil | I supose your BIOS/NetCard doesn't support netboot, no? | 01:53 |
| g1gaman | moe_evil: yes, it does. but i am to lame to manage it :( | 01:53 |
| g1gaman | too lame | 01:53 |
| moe_evil | ummm. but you will need another linux box acting has a server | 01:54 |
| g1gaman | moe_evil: probably it is too difficult for me | 01:54 |
| moe_evil | in the ubuntu wiki it's explained quite well | 01:54 |
| g1gaman | moe_evil: well i'll try to digg through manuals | 01:55 |
| g1gaman | moe_evil: though my english is poor | 01:55 |
| moe_evil | mine to :) | 01:55 |
| g1gaman | nicolah: i guess whichever you want | 01:56 |
| moe_evil | the default tool it's xfburn, I think | 01:56 |
| moe_evil | but I prefer k3b :) | 01:56 |
| nicolah | xfburn does not manage dvd yet | 01:56 |
| nicolah | k3b needs kde libraries, doesn't ? | 01:57 |
| moe_evil | yes :( | 01:57 |
| g1gaman | nicolah: so what? | 01:57 |
| g1gaman | nicolah: use gnomebaker instead | 01:57 |
| g1gaman | it'll use gnome libraries | 01:57 |
| nicolah | I'm installing graveman, I'll try gnomebaker too | 01:58 |
| g1gaman | and gnomebaker is less bloated than graveman or k3b | 01:58 |
| g1gaman | imho | 01:58 |
| nicolah | ok | 01:58 |
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| nicolah | I feel ok with graveman | 02:03 |
| g1gaman | nicolah: well, nice | 02:03 |
| grazie | i like graveman :). i don't like gnomebaker | 02:07 |
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| tuxcrafter | hello | 02:09 |
| tuxcrafter | http://route.anwb.nl/ : can some test this site with firefox i got this crash | 02:09 |
| tuxcrafter | firefox | 02:10 |
| tuxcrafter | The program 'Gecko' received an X Window System error. | 02:10 |
| tuxcrafter | This probably reflects a bug in the program. | 02:10 |
| tuxcrafter | The error was 'BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)'. | 02:10 |
| tuxcrafter | (Details: serial 112 error_code 8 request_code 145 minor_code 3) | 02:10 |
| tuxcrafter | (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; | 02:10 |
| tuxcrafter | that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. | 02:10 |
| tuxcrafter | To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line | 02:10 |
| tuxcrafter | option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful | 02:10 |
| tuxcrafter | backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.) | 02:10 |
| tuxcrafter | Segmentation fault | 02:10 |
| grazie | !pastebin | tuxcrafter: | 02:10 |
| ubotu | tuxcrafter:: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) | 02:10 |
| tuxcrafter | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6701/ | 02:11 |
| tuxcrafter | hello, can someone open this website in firefox and looks if it crashed? http://route.anwb.nl/ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6701/ | 02:12 |
| grazie | tuxcrafter: no problems for me | 02:12 |
| tuxcrafter | grazie: doe you have flash | 02:14 |
| grazie | tuxcrafter: yes | 02:14 |
| tuxcrafter | with sudo firefox its loads oke! but in normal user it crashed | 02:14 |
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| grazie | tuxcrafter: not on xubuntu right now, but how did you install flash? | 02:16 |
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| tuxcrafter | grazie: the problem is the flash plugin from adobe i removed the lib out of my plugin directory and now it is working oke | 02:17 |
| tuxcrafter | i will see if there is a new flash plugin avalable | 02:17 |
| grazie | great | 02:17 |
| tuxcrafter | libflashplayer.so | 02:17 |
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| t0taln00b | hey | 02:19 |
| t0taln00b | :) | 02:19 |
| tuxcrafter | grazie: installed new flash plugin now problem solved, but it was a really bad bug :-D | 02:21 |
| tuxcrafter | segmention fault :-P | 02:21 |
| grazie | tuxcrafter: I'm just a user too :) | 02:23 |
| tuxcrafter | grazie: sorry :-P i am developer :-P | 02:24 |
| blizz | i installed the phpmyadmin package.. is there any reason for the CSS to be fubared because of using lighttpd instead of apache? | 02:29 |
| grazie | blizz: css is processed by client not server | 02:44 |
| blizz | i know | 02:47 |
| blizz | but maybe the aliases are broken or something | 02:47 |
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| grazie | blizz: well, a webserver that can't serve css files is about as useful as a chocolate teapot...maybe the config isn't quite right | 02:54 |
| blizz | well.. i thought that i maybe had to set that pmaAbsoluteUri setting, no idea.. maybe someone had similar problems with lighty and phpmyadmin.. | 02:58 |
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| dejx | hello | 04:03 |
| dejx | in network-admin i can see my pcmcia wlan card | 04:03 |
| dejx | and i get 2 ifaces, ath0 and wifi0, tx and rx are counted on wifi0 | 04:03 |
| dejx | but how can i connect to wpa network via network-admin ? | 04:04 |
| dejx | guys | 04:05 |
| dejx | ? | 04:05 |
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| grazie | dejx: sorry...I've never done wifi | 04:07 |
| dejx | i read some manuals and nothing | 04:08 |
| dejx | dunno what i'm doing wrong | 04:08 |
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| bxnp | hi people i am on a system with kubuntu dapper installed, but i want to change to xubuntu, what is the bestway to do that, so i have a nice and good working xubuntu system | 04:28 |
| grazie | bxnp: you can xubuntu install xubuntu-desktop to get xfce + packages...but you will not get the best performance with kde still installed | 04:42 |
| bxnp | what do you mean | 04:42 |
| bxnp | when i reboot and login with xfce | 04:43 |
| bxnp | it does not load my kde packages right | 04:43 |
| bxnp | for me the memory footprint is important grazie | 04:43 |
| bxnp | anyway i guess it uses less ram then kde grazie | 04:44 |
| grazie | no. keeping kde will mean the that xfce will not perform as its best...everything should still work fine | 04:44 |
| bxnp | btw is there a tool like knetworkmanager for xfce | 04:46 |
| bxnp | or should i configure my wifi network by hand | 04:47 |
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| grazie | bxnp: there is a network manager tool | 04:50 |
| bxnp | wich does wpa for the wifi | 04:50 |
| grazie | i don't do wifi | 04:51 |
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| Jeffie2k7 | does anyone have a good guide for setting up lamp on xubuntu? i would use server version but i'm setting up P2 450 lol | 04:52 |
| bxnp | oke i have to reboot | 04:55 |
| bxnp | i mean relogin | 04:55 |
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| Ramla | Jeffie2k7: remember that the server install is the same base that all (x/k)ubuntu are based on, so an ubuntu lamp guide would do too. | 05:02 |
| Ramla | Jeffie2k7: actually, what do you mean you WOULD use server version | 05:04 |
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| Jeffie2k7 | sorry was afk - i meant that i read xubuntu was meant for older machines so i thought it would be a good base to start on | 05:39 |
| Jeffie2k7 | i really just need apache / mysql / php / samba so i might just install and config them each on their own | 05:40 |
| Jeffie2k7 | just hoped there was an easy automated lamp install, even though i already have the l part hehe | 05:40 |
| Jeffie2k7 | just trying to get another test server up and running to do some wackier stuff than i'm currently doing on another newer server running FC6 | 05:41 |
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| grazie | Jeffie2k7: (k/x)ubuntu all use the same base. if you're not installing a gui on server it makes no difference | 05:52 |
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| t0taln00b | hi | 06:29 |
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| benjamin_ | hey guys. | 09:03 |
| benjamin_ | i had a question, regarding xfce's composite manager. | 09:03 |
| benjamin_ | i would like to use it, but for some reason, i cant find out how, any option or anything about it. | 09:03 |
| benjamin_ | most people seem to be using beryl on top of xfce, and i dont want that. | 09:04 |
| benjamin_ | anyone can help ? (if anyone is around) just gimme a wiki or something... i have been googling around and on the forums, but couldnt find any info ? :O | 09:05 |
| grazie | benjamin_: let me get you a link | 09:05 |
| benjamin_ | cheers :) | 09:06 |
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| benjamin_ | hey btw, after debian+gnome, ubuntu+gnome, freebsd+gnome, i am now on ubuntu+xfce .... and xfce is just so powerfull... even without the composite extension, it just looks soo great ! | 09:08 |
| grazie | benjamin_: sorry about that...couldn't remember where i'd put it | 09:09 |
| grazie | benjamin_: >> http://www50.brinkster.com/craziegrazie/XubuntuTransparency.html | 09:09 |
| benjamin_ | kk i take a look at that :) | 09:10 |
| grazie | np | 09:10 |
| benjamin_ | thanks a lot btw :) | 09:11 |
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| Prisoner_ | hello there | 09:39 |
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| Prisoner_ | finally got Xubuntu installed | 09:43 |
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| beltz | Is it easy to get both Ubuntu and Xubuntu on the same machine, without liveCD, so that I can compare their performance easily? | 09:43 |
| Prisoner_ | you could probably set up a dual boot | 09:43 |
| beltz | Because I'm trying out Ubuntu but I don't find it responsive enough | 09:43 |
| beltz | I don't care for special effects, so I don't want it to take 200ms to minimize something. In fact, I want it to minimize windows 500ms BEFORE i click on them. | 09:44 |
| beltz | well not really, but I like minimal, no special effects os.. | 09:44 |
| Prisoner_ | I've tried Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu on a 400mhz, Xubuntu ran the best | 09:45 |
| beltz | If you were on a really fast computer, would it make a small difference though (due to no effects at all that take time to make stuff happen..) | 09:46 |
| beltz | Like that little effect on Ubuntu when you minimize a window | 09:46 |
| Prisoner_ | I have Xubuntu dual booted on a 1.583GHZ AMD with 512MB RAM | 09:48 |
| Prisoner_ | I need to know what's a good media player for Xubuntu | 09:49 |
| Prisoner_ | as well as a good DVD/CD writing program | 09:50 |
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| Prisoner_ | hello | 09:53 |
| grazie | Prisoner_: DVD/CD writer graveman is good AND light | 09:56 |
| Prisoner_ | cool | 09:56 |
| Prisoner_ | where I can find it? | 09:57 |
| grazie | Prisoner_: media players...I like vlc, mplayer, audacious (not in the repos) but xmms is | 09:57 |
| grazie | Prisoner_: I think they are all in the unverse repo, which ones do you want? | 09:58 |
| Prisoner_ | not sure yet | 09:59 |
| Prisoner_ | I just installed XUbuntu on my main PC and want to get the most out of it | 09:59 |
| Prisoner_ | trying to set up a printer | 09:59 |
| Prisoner_ | I have a file in MP4 format I want to convert to DVD, do any of those programs do that? | 10:01 |
| Prisoner_ | looks like the printer is working | 10:05 |
| Prisoner_ | how can I change the order pages are printed in Xubuntu? | 10:19 |
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| Prisoner_ | how do I get my HP Deskjet printer to print in reverse order? | 10:28 |
| rootvzla | hi people | 10:28 |
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| Prisoner_ | think I may have found it | 10:29 |
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| Blais1 | lo everyone | 11:12 |
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| yonkeltron | if gdm fails to start on the live cd, where can i look to try and find a problem? | 11:15 |
| yonkeltron | i want to install..... | 11:15 |
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| Beltz | What are limitations in xubuntu compared to ubuntu? | 11:18 |
| Beltz | I tried Ubuntu for a day and I dont really know what is missing from my livecd of xubuntu except for effects when I minimize a window (which I hate) | 11:18 |
| cellofellow | Evolution. Network Manager. OpenOffice. | 11:19 |
| Beltz | Ok, but those are things I can install myself on Xubuntu, right? | 11:19 |
| cellofellow | yeah | 11:19 |
| Beltz | Also, I am used to thunderbird (which is on xubuntu). Is Evolution anything special? | 11:20 |
| cellofellow | not really | 11:20 |
| grazie | yonkeltron: did you verify download? what machine you got? | 11:20 |
| Beltz | Do you know if its easy to turn this pc in a VNC server on xubuntu? | 11:21 |
| cellofellow | There are plenty of VNC server daemon programs. | 11:21 |
| cellofellow | If you are connecting over LAN, however, GDM is better. | 11:21 |
| yonkeltron | grazie: i think i'll just use etch.... | 11:21 |
| yonkeltron | grazie: old gateway | 11:22 |
| Beltz | Nah its not for LAN | 11:22 |
| yonkeltron | grazie: seems to hang on squashfs loading...or something or other | 11:22 |
| cellofellow | I meant XDMCP, which uses GDM as the "server". | 11:22 |
| yonkeltron | grazie: actually...it got passed that but it is still hanging like a mofo.... | 11:24 |
| yonkeltron | sadly | 11:24 |
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| Beltz | If I have Ubuntu installed already, can I easily install Xubuntu without having to do it from scratch? And with no downsides of running both gnome and xfce or whatever at once? | 11:24 |
| cellofellow | what vidieo card? | 11:24 |
| cellofellow | Beltz: no real downsides 'cept some extra used hard drive space. You can install Xubuntu on Ubuntu by apt-geting xubuntu-desktop | 11:25 |
| Beltz | So both will be on the same partition, and Ill select whether to go with Ubuntu or Xubuntu at startup? | 11:26 |
| cellofellow | yonkeltron: what video card do have? | 11:26 |
| cellofellow | Beltz: at login | 11:26 |
| yonkeltron | cellofellow: some ati-rage thing.... | 11:27 |
| cellofellow | :( | 11:28 |
| cellofellow | ATI and the LiveCD don't really get along 100% of the time. | 11:28 |
| yonkeltron | the issue seems to be a problem with fonts | 11:28 |
| cellofellow | Xorg, ATI, Fonts. All the same subsystem, really tied together. | 11:29 |
| cellofellow | BRB | 11:29 |
| grazie | yonkeltron: did you verify your download? how much ram? | 11:30 |
| yonkeltron | grazie: of course, and 256mb | 11:30 |
| Blais1 | I've got problems with my Xubuntu, and it may well be graphic card related, I have an ATI, is there more information on these problems? | 11:31 |
| grazie | yonkeltron: dunno...? | 11:31 |
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| cellofellow | yonkeltron: you may be able to install with the Alternate CD and then install the proprietary ATI driver. | 11:33 |
| yonkeltron | it's fine | 11:36 |
| yonkeltron | etch will do | 11:36 |
| Blais1 | I've added a new resolution to my xorg.conf, but it doesn't show up in my display settings, how can I get it to show? | 11:42 |
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| syamajala | hi | 12:05 |
| syamajala | i just downloaded xubuntu for ppc | 12:05 |
| syamajala | when i boot the cd | 12:07 |
| syamajala | i get blue screen with a mouse cursor on it | 12:07 |
| syamajala | and nothing else | 12:07 |
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| grazie | syamajala: did you verify your download? | 12:10 |
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| T` | anyone using raid on their xubuntu installation? | 12:11 |
| radioaktivstorm | hello...im having an issue with xfce; the font is incredibly small and i cannot seem to change it. can someone offer any suggestions? | 12:11 |
| syamajala | no | 12:12 |
| syamajala | i will now | 12:12 |
| grazie | syamajala: most likely problem. if md5sum is good burn the image slowly | 12:15 |
| grazie | radioaktivstorm: take a look at this >> http://xubuntuguide.org/tiki-index.php#Small_font_sizes | 12:17 |
| radioaktivstorm | thanks grazie :) | 12:18 |
| grazie | np | 12:18 |
| syamajala | grazie: its fine | 12:21 |
| syamajala | the md5 | 12:21 |
| syamajala | but i just noticed | 12:22 |
| syamajala | i keep getting buffer i/o errors on hdc | 12:22 |
| grazie | syamajala: how did you burn the image? | 12:22 |
| syamajala | with disk utility | 12:22 |
| grazie | os x? | 12:22 |
| syamajala | yeah | 12:23 |
| grazie | and you selected verify on the burn? | 12:23 |
| syamajala | yeah | 12:23 |
| grazie | can you read the disk contents from os x? | 12:24 |
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