=== Qew [n=qew@82-69-126-225.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu === jlamr [n=jlamr@FT-ESR1-208-102-54-63.fuse.net] has joined #xubuntu === mirf [n=mirf@mirf.demon.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu [12:37] kumamoto: I think he meant GParted. I can't be sure, though. === txwikinger [n=txwiking@82-46-136-83.cable.ubr01.smal.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu [12:41] PuMpErNiCkLe: maybe it is the terminology that got me confused === eversi0n [n=thepope@d198-53-162-58.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #Xubuntu [12:42] my bad === Bad_Seed [n=xubuntu@190.74.144.183] has joined #xubuntu === SamRose [n=chatzill@c-71-197-25-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu === GullyFoyle [n=potus@c-71-235-62-249.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has left #xubuntu [] === neozen [n=neozen@wireless-225-15.wireless-vpn.depaul.edu] has joined #xubuntu [01:25] meeep [01:26] ^^ [01:27] hoallo there [01:28] room's been so quiet as of late [01:28] don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing [01:29] neozen: im new to the room but i dont have anything to say [01:29] and im going watching a movie/leaving for school soon [01:29] heh [01:29] well... I'm in class [01:30] ah i have to drive to school in 1/2 an hour [01:30] :/ [01:30] lol [01:30] at least... I don't have to do that [01:30] ..instead [01:30] ...i take a 2 hour train into the city [01:31] (chicago) [01:31] i live in chicago. midway [01:31] really? [01:31] what school are you at [01:31] depaul [01:31] yea really [01:31] small world ::grins:: [01:31] oh on the northside by fullerton? or downtown by wabash? [01:31] ha yea === jikuty [i=em@CPE001195752c87-CM00111ade8af2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu [01:32] wabash & jackson [01:32] ...here for comp sci [01:32] yea downtown [01:32] ..all that stuffs @ the loop campus [01:32] ...the one in LP is more for arts [01:32] history [01:32] mmhm. i know a bunch of people at depaul [01:33] where go you? [01:33] (school) [01:33] uh richard daley, junior college. 75th and pulaski [01:33] south [01:33] ah [01:35] yes sir [01:35] depaul is pretty cool, i like the game lab === neozen grins [01:35] .....definately a great perk [01:35] ...haven't gotten much of a chance to go this term [01:36] ha yea, all the tvs.... [01:36] ...been too busy w/ clas [01:36] anyone know about why my wireless router occasionally cuts out - like when coming back from standby. Only comes on reboot [01:36] were you a part of the detag competition [01:36] s/comes/comes back/ [01:37] ? === grazie [n=grazie@host86-139-197-68.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #xubuntu [01:38] neozen: detag? [01:38] yeah [01:39] ..I was one of the people who won [01:39] you were? did you hear about the douchebag who busted his head open? [01:39] nope === posingaspopular is best friends with the douchebag [01:39] ah [01:39] 4 in the head, 2 in the moustache [01:40] jlamr [01:40] do you mean your router [01:40] ..or your wireless card [01:40] ....and i'd have to know which card [01:40] ....plus... standby does weird things on my laptop as well [01:40] ah yeah wireless card === posingaspopular is afk [01:41] ...as far as I know... it depends on which power management drivers you are using [01:41] i had to use fwcutter to install driver - its a dynex generic best buy [01:41] fwcutter? [01:41] !fwcutter [01:41] Sorry, I don't know anything about fwcutter - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [01:42] that bot...... need a massive upgrade [01:42] s/need/needs/ [01:42] aaaah [01:42] gotcha [01:43] problem might not be in your card [01:43] ....my money is on your power management === neozen shrugs [01:43] I just don't standby [01:43] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wi...Driver/bcm43xx [01:43] Reply With Quote === neozen owns a thinkpad [01:44] followed howto on that limk [01:44] ..all hail anti-shock harddrives [01:44] ...ok [01:44] oh good lord [01:44] ..its a broadcom [01:44] yeah im on an old iseries 5GB not sure how much ram [01:44] lol [01:45] hey... it works right? [01:45] .....well ... you have a few options [01:45] yup - well 85% : ) [01:45] 1.... don't standby [01:45] linux shouldn't really take that long to boot anyway [01:45] sometimes synaptic or apt-get causes problem too [01:46] ..probably when your wireless isn't connected [01:46] ....they really start puking when a connection isn't there [01:46] yeah [01:46] do you use wireless [01:46] yeah [01:47] have an intel pro wireless 3945abg [01:47] did you go with WPA2? [01:47] I just use wpa with a loooong key [01:47] ..thats not a dictionary word [01:47] ..by any stretch of the imagination [01:48] right..i ve read a few howtos - was it too terrible to set up? [01:48] heh [01:48] well... my card is supported by network-manager-gnome [01:48] ......I just have a tray icon [01:48] that helps fer sure [01:48] ...that acts like windows' wireless networking [01:49] ...i click... I get a list of visible networks [01:49] ...if it needs a password, it looks in the gnome keyring for it... and if it can't find it, it prompts [01:49] oh man, must be nice - wifi-radar works OK for me [01:49] yeah [01:50] its way too easy [01:50] ...I'm no help @ linux group when it comes to wireless issues [01:50] im so jealous though - i was soo happy to get wireless working. But I can really appreciate [01:50] but from all the stuff I read [01:50] it now [01:50] getting wpa setup wasn't too hard [01:51] I know there's a wpa howto somewhere [01:51] I know you'll need wpa_supplicant [01:51] !wpa [01:51] Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [01:51] now im just using mac restriction diff ssid and no broadcast [01:52] well..... mac restriction is easy to get around [01:52] is [01:52] ... [01:52] ...deauth the actual user [01:52] yeah, wireless in general [01:52] any good php editor for xfce? === neozen ponders [01:52] !kismet [01:52] vim? [01:52] kismet: Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 2006.04.R1-1.1 (edgy), package size 964 kB, installed size 2448 kB === neozen uses vim for everything [01:53] ive done a webpage in only vi [01:53] i'm more into gui applications [01:53] i believe i could do it too, but i find it to be less to my liking [01:53] kristjans: can you deal w/ xemacs? [01:54] neozen: i have no idea, i suppose i have to try it ;) [01:54] jlamr, is that plain html or html css javascript ruby all that good stuff [01:54] !info scite [01:54] scite: Lightweight GTK-based Programming Editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.69-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 778 kB, installed size 1956 kB [01:55] scite sounds good [01:55] o.O [01:55] new to me === neozen snags [01:55] installing [01:56] plain ollllll html although wrote perl cgi scripts too - nothin special [01:56] ..I can't deal w/ vi [01:57] once you figure it out its not bad - better than word in some respects [01:58] .....I like having more then one undo [01:58] ..thus.... vim === SamRose [n=chatzill@c-71-197-25-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:58] use '.' [01:58] period [01:58] .......? [01:59] period repeats last command [01:59] then.. you might be using vim and just not know it [01:59] original vi only let you undo one thing [01:59] !vim [01:59] Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code [02:00] !html [02:00] html is HyperText Markup Language, used to build webpages. Editors in Ubuntu: Bluefish, Quanta+, Screem, and Nvu. For howto on HTML coding, see: http://www.w3schools.com [02:00] scite is interesting [02:00] thanke pumpernickle [02:00] maybe vi == vim? in new distros [02:00] does scite have to so unfit my theme though? [02:00] lol [02:00] kristjans: dark theme user? [02:01] neozen: yup [02:01] hehehe [02:01] who knows [02:01] ..perhaps its got skins [02:01] or some kind of color configuration [02:02] hopefully [02:03] well.... I've found a global preferences file [02:03] Options - > Open ___________ options file [02:03] standard linux configuration [02:03] ....one biiiiiig text file [02:04] ....kind of mean for a gui editor... but I can understand [02:04] ...easier to code that way [02:04] i though it would be longer [02:06] heh [02:06] this... is why I use vim in a terminal [02:06] black bg ... green text [02:06] how can you stand it? [02:06] :D [02:06] because its how I started [02:07] ....was raised on an original IBM pc [02:07] 1 color [02:07] ...if you poked a button... what that color was changed [02:07] it would make more sense to have 2 colours [02:07] well [02:07] black and one color === neozen grins [02:07] ;) === jlamr remembers when printer paper hed those holes on the ide [02:08] hell yeah [02:08] >side [02:08] I still have one of those === neozen still has a working proprinter [02:09] ...and about 20 cartridges [02:09] ...should last me till I die [02:09] they dont make em like that any more [02:09] lol [02:09] thank god :) [02:09] hey.... they were easy to program back in the day [02:10] ...now..... youd better know postscript (if you're lucky) ...or some proprietary language (if you're not) [02:11] ....the key w/ the proprinter... is to tell a computer that its not a printer [02:11] ...that its just a pipe [02:11] ...and to stick characters into it directly [02:11] itll all be digital someday...maybe [02:11] ..otherwise.... it starts printing multiple times to make it darker... stupid drivers [02:12] if I wanted it dark... I'd use the ancient HP cube in the corner [02:12] *not so ancient [02:12] kristjans: ....you might also want to look into gvim [02:13] ....more minimal then an IDE [02:13] ...but kicks the #@$#@$ out of mousepad [02:13] ever changed the default 'ready' message on a hp printer? Something like 'Insert Quarter' [02:13] LOL [02:14] i am unenlightened. couldn't i just use screem? [02:14] fear not [02:14] gvim is for the unenlightened [02:14] ....think of it... as the gateway drug === neozen smiles [02:14] okay ;) [02:15] still needs vim commands though [02:15] when you want to edit the file... just hit i [02:15] vim-gtk? [02:15] yeah [02:15] i've figured that out [02:15] the i and esc keys [02:15] ; [02:16] I can recommend a great vim tutorial [02:16] and :w to save [02:17] ESC u to undo [02:17] yeah ESC is your friend [02:17] okay. what advantage does it have over ctrl+s? === rexbinary [n=rexbinar@unaffiliated/rexbinary] has joined #xubuntu [02:18] heh [02:18] you can use it on a terminal that doesn't have a cntrl key [02:18] hm [02:18] i've never used a terminal [02:18] ...think about the history of command line stuff === neozen blinks [02:19] ...I really do pity the windows generation === neozen smiles [02:19] whyzat neozen ? [02:19] i am trying to understand, but i have a thick head [02:20] kristjans: no worries [02:20] ...at all [02:20] I'm just being annoying === neozen grins [02:22] kristjans: there exist great ide's for linux [02:22] ...i just don't use them [02:22] the one exception is java [02:22] ..i use an ide for java [02:23] neozen, recommend a beginner tuturial for java? [02:23] isn't there a just "mousepad" with ftp support + syntax highlighting? :P [02:23] LOL [02:24] jlamr: do you know c++? [02:24] kristjans: yes, my script + scite [02:24] hey there jester [02:24] know how to configure scite to work w/ dark themes? [02:25] ie... black bg lighter text by default? [02:25] nope a little c# plus perl, and sigh vb.. [02:25] hey, iva been at my girlfriends she broke her computer [02:25] these things happen [02:25] jlamr well.... actually I can't [02:26] ..I took classes in java [02:26] ...and the books were worthless [02:26] i would never make a program in java [02:26] for a reference ... I can highly recommend the tiger book [02:26] ...search function sucks though [02:27] ....for searching the api.. take a look @ sun's online api documentation [02:27] ...its VERY in depth [02:27] just gotta jump in i guess [02:27] some of the nicest I've seen [02:27] jester... why? [02:27] sometimes too much info is a bad thing [02:27] lol [02:27] kristjans: my script mounts ftp sites [02:27] neozen: waste of computer power [02:28] i think it would be perfect with a support for black theme [02:28] Jester45: lol [02:28] memory hog? [02:28] yeah [02:28] but I've got a gig of ram [02:28] ...my memory problems stopped LONG ago [02:28] neozen: 2 g ram here [02:29] and under linux... java loads in a sane amount of time [02:29] and i still could use more [02:29] Jester45: ........ [02:29] firefox is java right? [02:29] well... I know azureus is [02:29] I don't think firefox is [02:29] first time i hear that ff would be java [02:29] It isn't. [02:29] since it doesn't seem to need a jre [02:30] i think ff is perl or python [02:30] my money is on python [02:30] shell scripts? [02:30] or some other language that starts with p [02:30] jlamr: what about them [02:30] jlamr: no [02:30] jlamr: ff would not be shell scripts [02:30] o [02:30] It's C/C++. [02:30] jk [02:30] that.... would be...... something else [02:31] though... I have seen a shell script web browser [02:31] ...came with ulinux [02:31] ....how do I type non-standard characters under linux? [02:31] like the symbol for micro [02:31] there ia a cli browser but... i dont know if its a sh [02:32] lynx always treated me nice [02:32] i guess [02:32] i'm going to stick with mousepad [02:33] you mean like....? [02:33] jester: exactly [02:33] kristjans: awwww don't do that [02:33] neozen: google them :) i googled utorrent because the u should be a [02:33] LOL [02:34] kristjans: what are you sticking to mousepad with [02:34] code editing [02:34] ....ick [02:34] use scite [02:34] html and php [02:34] scite looks [02:34] ugly :( [02:34] once you have intelligent autoindent... you never go back [02:34] i use html with scite [02:34] thought I saw a character map somewhere, [02:35] i think i would have too hard time configuring it though [02:35] kristjans: come back in a week [02:35] ..if I've made it work... I'll be letting you know [02:36] i think removing the icons would help [02:36] lol [02:36] because i don't need any of thos [02:36] okay [02:36] removed [02:36] way better :) [02:36] i would like to learn perl...but im to lazy right now [02:36] there's always a setting to whack out the toolbar [02:36] the camel book is great for that [02:37] [02:37] yeah but it just a waste of space [02:37] is === neozen nods [02:37] there a way to remove half of the menus? : [02:37] LOL [02:37] just use vim [02:37] in a terminal [02:37] I know there's a syntax highlighter for PHP and HTML [02:38] script for vim [02:38] i want file > open/save/save as and search and maybe a preferences [02:38] ....well.... you could always write one [02:38] kristjans: care to learn python? [02:38] j/k [02:38] hm... [02:38] i have to think about that ;) [02:39] if you write it... we will come [02:40] http://www.php-editors.com/review/ === neozen chuckles [02:40] but can the language list be cut down? [02:41] i've never heard about half of the languages [02:41] there [02:41] hmm [02:41] html, css and php would be fine with me [02:41] wait... you mean in scite? [02:41] yeah [02:41] ...don't worry about it [02:42] ..it should auto detect which syntax highlighting to use [02:42] SHOULD [02:42] okay [02:42] hey... I got something [02:42] nedit [02:42] then how do i remove the language menu?:P === gamulbert [n=chatzill@chello080109105152.7.15.univie.teleweb.at] has joined #xubuntu [02:45] i tried nedit, it didn't even start [02:46] what do you mean didn't start [02:46] i typed in gedit, nothing happened. i typed it in terminal and a couple lines of text came there and nothing else happened [02:47] nedit [02:47] ..not gedit [02:47] nedit then [02:47] sudo aptitude install nedit [02:47] i typed in nedit then ;) [02:47] run from a terminal [02:47] *run that line [02:47] BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) [02:47] etc... [02:47] that's when i tried it [02:48] BadMatch? [02:48] it's [02:48] 3 more lines [02:48] did you install nedit? [02:48] i did [02:49] ...ok [02:49] and i already uninstalled it too [02:49] lol [02:50] so is [02:50] it hopeless to find a html/css/php editor that i could strip down to my needs? [02:50] yes [02:50] ..... if you want minimal [02:50] ...you want terminal [02:51] ::grins:: [02:51] terminal is [02:51] too minimal [02:51] LOL [02:51] i would like something that would not be minimal, and what would let me remove all the features [02:51] that i don't want [02:52] or be minimal, and let me add these. kind of like firefox. [02:52] lol [02:52] I would call firefox many things [02:52] ...minimal isn't one of them [02:52] it's kind of a base [02:52] to which you add plugins and things [02:52] like that [02:52]