[12:37] <PuMpErNiCkLe> kumamoto: I think he meant GParted.  I can't be sure, though.
[12:41] <kumamoto> PuMpErNiCkLe: maybe it is the terminology that got me confused
[12:42] <kumamoto> my bad
[01:25] <neozen> meeep
[01:26] <PuMpErNiCkLe> ^^
[01:27] <neozen> hoallo there
[01:28] <neozen> room's been so quiet as of late
[01:28] <neozen> don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing
[01:29] <posingaspopular> neozen: im new to the room but i dont have anything to say
[01:29] <posingaspopular> and im going watching a movie/leaving for school soon
[01:29] <neozen> heh
[01:29] <neozen> well... I'm in class
[01:30] <posingaspopular>  ah i have to drive to school in 1/2 an hour
[01:30] <posingaspopular> :/
[01:30] <neozen> lol
[01:30] <neozen> at least... I don't have to do that
[01:30] <neozen> ..instead
[01:30] <neozen> ...i take a 2 hour train into the city
[01:31] <neozen> (chicago)
[01:31] <posingaspopular> i live in chicago. midway
[01:31] <neozen> really?
[01:31] <posingaspopular> what school are you at
[01:31] <neozen> depaul
[01:31] <posingaspopular> yea really
[01:31] <neozen> small world ::grins::
[01:31] <posingaspopular> oh on the northside by fullerton? or downtown by wabash?
[01:31] <posingaspopular> ha yea
[01:32] <neozen> wabash & jackson
[01:32] <neozen> ...here for comp sci
[01:32] <posingaspopular> yea downtown
[01:32] <neozen> ..all that stuffs @ the loop campus
[01:32] <neozen> ...the one in LP is more for arts
[01:32] <neozen> history
[01:32] <posingaspopular> mmhm. i know a bunch of people at depaul
[01:33] <neozen> where go you?
[01:33] <neozen> (school)
[01:33] <posingaspopular> uh richard daley, junior college. 75th and pulaski
[01:33] <posingaspopular> south
[01:33] <neozen> ah
[01:35] <posingaspopular> yes sir
[01:35] <posingaspopular> depaul is pretty cool, i like the game lab
[01:35] <neozen> .....definately a great perk
[01:35] <neozen> ...haven't gotten much of a chance to go this term
[01:36] <posingaspopular> ha yea, all the tvs....
[01:36] <neozen> ...been too busy w/ clas
[01:36] <jlamr> anyone know about why my wireless router occasionally cuts out - like when coming back from standby. Only comes on reboot
[01:36] <posingaspopular> were you a part of the detag competition
[01:36] <jlamr> s/comes/comes back/
[01:37] <posingaspopular> ?
[01:38] <posingaspopular> neozen: detag?
[01:38] <neozen> yeah
[01:39] <neozen> ..I was one of the people who won
[01:39] <posingaspopular> you were? did you hear about the douchebag who busted his head open?
[01:39] <neozen> nope
[01:39] <neozen> ah
[01:39] <posingaspopular> 4 in the head, 2 in the moustache
[01:40] <neozen> jlamr
[01:40] <neozen> do you mean your router
[01:40] <neozen> ..or your wireless card
[01:40] <neozen> ....and i'd have to know which card
[01:40] <neozen> ....plus... standby does weird things on my laptop as well
[01:40] <jlamr> ah yeah wireless card
[01:41] <neozen> ...as far as I know... it depends on which power management drivers you are using
[01:41] <jlamr> i had to use fwcutter to install driver - its a dynex generic best buy
[01:41] <neozen> fwcutter?
[01:41] <neozen> !fwcutter
[01:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fwcutter - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:42] <neozen> that bot...... need a massive upgrade
[01:42] <neozen> s/need/needs/
[01:42] <neozen> aaaah
[01:42] <neozen> gotcha
[01:43] <neozen> problem might not be in your card
[01:43] <neozen> ....my money is on your power management
[01:43] <neozen> I just don't standby
[01:43] <jlamr> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wi...Driver/bcm43xx
[01:43] <jlamr> Reply With Quote
[01:44] <jlamr> followed howto on that limk
[01:44] <neozen> ..all hail anti-shock harddrives
[01:44] <neozen> ...ok
[01:44] <neozen> oh good lord
[01:44] <neozen> ..its a broadcom
[01:44] <jlamr> yeah im on an old iseries  5GB not sure how much ram
[01:44] <neozen> lol
[01:45] <neozen> hey... it works right?
[01:45] <neozen> .....well ... you have a few options
[01:45] <jlamr> yup - well 85% : )
[01:45] <neozen> 1.... don't standby
[01:45] <neozen> linux shouldn't really take that long to boot anyway
[01:45] <jlamr> sometimes synaptic or apt-get causes problem too
[01:46] <neozen> ..probably when your wireless isn't connected
[01:46] <neozen> ....they really start puking when a connection isn't there
[01:46] <jlamr> yeah
[01:46] <jlamr> do you use wireless
[01:46] <neozen> yeah
[01:47] <neozen> have an intel pro wireless 3945abg
[01:47] <jlamr> did you go with WPA2?
[01:47] <neozen> I just use wpa with a loooong key
[01:47] <neozen> ..thats not a dictionary word
[01:47] <neozen> ..by any stretch of the imagination
[01:48] <jlamr> right..i ve read a few howtos - was it too terrible to set up?
[01:48] <neozen> heh
[01:48] <neozen> well... my card is supported by network-manager-gnome
[01:48] <neozen> ......I just have a tray icon
[01:48] <jlamr> that helps fer sure
[01:48] <neozen> ...that acts like windows' wireless networking
[01:49] <neozen> ...i click... I get a list of visible networks
[01:49] <neozen> ...if it needs a password, it looks in the gnome keyring for it... and if it can't find it, it prompts
[01:49] <jlamr> oh man, must be nice - wifi-radar works OK for me
[01:49] <neozen> yeah
[01:50] <neozen> its way too easy
[01:50] <neozen> ...I'm no help @ linux group when it comes to wireless issues
[01:50] <jlamr> im so jealous though - i was soo happy to get wireless working. But I can really appreciate
[01:50] <neozen> but from all the stuff I read
[01:50] <jlamr> it now
[01:50] <neozen> getting wpa setup wasn't too hard
[01:51] <neozen> I know there's a wpa howto somewhere
[01:51] <neozen> I know you'll need wpa_supplicant
[01:51] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !wpa
[01:51] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:51] <jlamr> now im just using mac restriction diff ssid and no broadcast
[01:52] <neozen> well..... mac restriction is easy to get around
[01:52] <kristjans> is
[01:52] <kristjans> ...
[01:52] <neozen> ...deauth the actual user
[01:52] <jlamr> yeah, wireless in general
[01:52] <kristjans> any good php editor for xfce?
[01:52] <jlamr> !kismet
[01:52] <neozen> vim?
[01:52] <ubotu> kismet: Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 2006.04.R1-1.1 (edgy), package size 964 kB, installed size 2448 kB
[01:53] <jlamr> ive done a webpage in only vi
[01:53] <kristjans> i'm more into gui applications
[01:53] <kristjans> i believe i could do it too, but i find it to be less to my liking
[01:53] <neozen> kristjans: can you deal w/ xemacs?
[01:54] <kristjans> neozen: i have no idea, i suppose i have to try it ;)
[01:54] <kumamoto> jlamr, is that plain html or html css javascript ruby all that good stuff
[01:54] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !info scite
[01:54] <ubotu> scite: Lightweight GTK-based Programming Editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.69-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 778 kB, installed size 1956 kB
[01:55] <kristjans> scite sounds good
[01:55] <neozen> o.O
[01:55] <neozen> new to me
[01:55] <kristjans> installing
[01:56] <jlamr> plain ollllll html although wrote perl cgi scripts too - nothin special
[01:56] <neozen> ..I can't deal w/ vi
[01:57] <jlamr> once you figure it out its not bad - better than word in some respects
[01:58] <neozen> .....I like having more then one undo
[01:58] <neozen> ..thus.... vim
[01:58] <jlamr> use '.'
[01:58] <jlamr> period
[01:58] <neozen> .......?
[01:59] <jlamr> period repeats last command
[01:59] <neozen> then.. you might be using vim and just not know it
[01:59] <neozen> original vi only let you undo one thing
[01:59] <neozen> !vim
[01:59] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[02:00] <kristjans> !html
[02:00] <ubotu> html is HyperText Markup Language, used to build webpages. Editors in Ubuntu: Bluefish, Quanta+, Screem, and Nvu. For howto on HTML coding, see: http://www.w3schools.com
[02:00] <neozen> scite is interesting
[02:00] <neozen> thanke pumpernickle
[02:00] <jlamr> maybe vi == vim? in new distros
[02:00] <kristjans> does scite have to so unfit my theme though?
[02:00] <neozen> lol
[02:00] <neozen> kristjans: dark theme user?
[02:01] <kristjans> neozen: yup
[02:01] <neozen> hehehe
[02:01] <neozen> who knows
[02:01] <neozen> ..perhaps its got skins
[02:01] <neozen> or some kind of color configuration
[02:02] <kristjans> hopefully
[02:03] <neozen> well.... I've found a global preferences file
[02:03] <neozen> Options - > Open ___________ options file
[02:03] <neozen> standard linux configuration
[02:03] <neozen> ....one biiiiiig text file
[02:04] <neozen> ....kind of mean for a gui editor... but I can understand
[02:04] <neozen> ...easier to code that way
[02:04] <kristjans> i though it would be longer
[02:06] <neozen> heh
[02:06] <neozen> this... is why I use vim in a terminal
[02:06] <neozen> black bg ... green text
[02:06] <kristjans> how can you stand it?
[02:06] <kristjans> :D
[02:06] <neozen> because its how I started
[02:07] <neozen> ....was raised on an original IBM pc
[02:07] <neozen> 1 color
[02:07] <neozen> ...if you poked a button... what that color was changed
[02:07] <kristjans> it would make more sense to have 2 colours
[02:07] <neozen> well
[02:07] <neozen> black and one color
[02:07] <kristjans> ;)
[02:08] <neozen> hell yeah
[02:08] <jlamr> >side
[02:08] <neozen> I still have one of those
[02:09] <neozen> ...and about 20 cartridges
[02:09] <neozen> ...should last me till I die
[02:09] <jlamr> they dont make em like that any more
[02:09] <neozen> lol
[02:09] <jlamr> thank god :)
[02:09] <neozen> hey.... they were easy to program back in the day
[02:10] <neozen> ...now..... youd better know postscript (if you're lucky) ...or some proprietary language (if you're not)
[02:11] <neozen> ....the key w/ the proprinter... is to tell a computer that its not a printer
[02:11] <neozen> ...that its just a pipe
[02:11] <neozen> ...and to stick characters into it directly
[02:11] <jlamr> itll all be digital someday...maybe
[02:11] <neozen> ..otherwise.... it starts printing multiple times to make it darker... stupid drivers
[02:12] <neozen> if I wanted it dark... I'd use the ancient HP cube in the corner
[02:12] <neozen> *not so ancient
[02:12] <neozen> kristjans: ....you might also want to look into gvim
[02:13] <neozen> ....more minimal then an IDE
[02:13] <neozen> ...but kicks the #@$#@$ out of mousepad
[02:13] <jlamr> ever changed the default 'ready' message on a hp printer? Something like 'Insert Quarter'
[02:13] <neozen> LOL
[02:14] <kristjans> i am unenlightened. couldn't i just use screem?
[02:14] <neozen> fear not
[02:14] <neozen> gvim is for the unenlightened
[02:14] <neozen> ....think of it... as the gateway drug
[02:14] <kristjans> okay ;)
[02:15] <neozen> still needs vim commands though
[02:15] <neozen> when you want to edit the file... just hit i
[02:15] <kristjans> vim-gtk?
[02:15] <neozen> yeah
[02:15] <kristjans> i've figured that out
[02:15] <kristjans> the i and esc keys
[02:15] <kristjans> ;
[02:16] <neozen> I can recommend a great vim tutorial
[02:16] <jlamr> and :w  to save
[02:17] <neozen> ESC u to undo
[02:17] <jlamr> yeah ESC is your friend
[02:17] <kristjans> okay. what advantage does it have over ctrl+s?
[02:18] <neozen> heh
[02:18] <neozen> you can use it on a terminal that doesn't have a cntrl key
[02:18] <kristjans> hm
[02:18] <kristjans> i've never used a terminal
[02:18] <neozen> ...think about the history of command line stuff
[02:19] <neozen> ...I really do pity the windows generation
[02:19] <jlamr> whyzat neozen ?
[02:19] <kristjans> i am trying to understand, but i have a thick head
[02:20] <neozen> kristjans: no worries
[02:20] <neozen> ...at all
[02:20] <neozen> I'm just being annoying
[02:22] <neozen> kristjans: there exist great ide's for linux
[02:22] <neozen> ...i just don't use them
[02:22] <neozen> the one exception is java
[02:22] <neozen> ..i use an ide for java
[02:23] <jlamr> neozen, recommend a beginner tuturial for java?
[02:23] <kristjans> isn't there a just "mousepad" with ftp support + syntax highlighting? :P
[02:23] <neozen> LOL
[02:24] <neozen> jlamr: do you know c++?
[02:24] <Jester45> kristjans: yes, my script + scite
[02:24] <neozen> hey there jester
[02:24] <neozen> know how to configure scite to work w/ dark themes?
[02:25] <neozen> ie... black bg lighter text by default?
[02:25] <jlamr> nope a little c# plus perl, and sigh vb..
[02:25] <Jester45> hey, iva been at my girlfriends she broke her computer
[02:25] <neozen> these things happen
[02:25] <neozen> jlamr well.... actually I can't
[02:26] <neozen> ..I took classes in java
[02:26] <neozen> ...and the books were worthless
[02:26] <Jester45> i would never make a program in java
[02:26] <neozen> for a reference ... I can highly recommend the tiger book
[02:26] <neozen> ...search function sucks though
[02:27] <neozen> ....for searching the api.. take a look @ sun's online api documentation
[02:27] <neozen> ...its VERY in depth
[02:27] <jlamr> just gotta jump in i guess
[02:27] <neozen> some of the nicest I've seen
[02:27] <neozen> jester... why?
[02:27] <jlamr> sometimes too much info is a bad thing
[02:27] <neozen> lol
[02:27] <Jester45> kristjans: my script mounts ftp sites
[02:27] <Jester45> neozen: waste of computer power
[02:28] <kristjans> i think it would be perfect with a support for black theme
[02:28] <neozen> Jester45: lol
[02:28] <jlamr> memory hog?
[02:28] <neozen> yeah
[02:28] <neozen> but I've got a gig of ram
[02:28] <neozen> ...my memory problems stopped LONG ago
[02:28] <Jester45> neozen: 2 g ram here
[02:29] <neozen> and under linux... java loads in a sane amount of time
[02:29] <Jester45> and i still could use more
[02:29] <neozen> Jester45: ........
[02:29] <jlamr> firefox is java right?
[02:29] <neozen> well... I know azureus is
[02:29] <neozen> I don't think firefox is
[02:29] <kristjans> first time i hear that ff would be java
[02:29] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It isn't.
[02:29] <neozen> since it doesn't seem to need a jre
[02:30] <Jester45> i think ff is perl or python
[02:30] <neozen> my money is on python
[02:30] <jlamr> shell scripts?
[02:30] <Jester45> or some other language that starts with p
[02:30] <Jester45> jlamr: what about them
[02:30] <neozen> jlamr: no
[02:30] <neozen> jlamr: ff would not be shell scripts
[02:30] <Jester45> o
[02:30] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's C/C++.
[02:30] <jlamr> jk
[02:30] <neozen> that.... would be...... something else
[02:31] <neozen> though... I have seen a shell script web browser
[02:31] <neozen> ...came with ulinux
[02:31] <neozen> ....how do I type non-standard characters under linux?
[02:31] <neozen> like the symbol for micro
[02:31] <Jester45> there ia a cli browser but... i dont know if its a sh
[02:32] <neozen> lynx always treated me nice
[02:32] <kristjans> i guess
[02:32] <kristjans> i'm going to stick with mousepad
[02:33] <Jester45> you mean like....?
[02:33] <neozen> jester: exactly
[02:33] <neozen> kristjans: awwww don't do that
[02:33] <Jester45> neozen: google them :) i googled utorrent because the u should be a 
[02:33] <neozen> LOL
[02:34] <Jester45> kristjans: what are you sticking to mousepad with
[02:34] <neozen> code editing
[02:34] <neozen> ....ick
[02:34] <Jester45> use scite
[02:34] <kristjans> html and php
[02:34] <kristjans> scite looks
[02:34] <kristjans> ugly :(
[02:34] <neozen> once you have intelligent autoindent... you never go back
[02:34] <Jester45> i use html with scite
[02:34] <jlamr> thought I saw a character map somewhere,
[02:35] <kristjans> i think i would have too hard time configuring it though
[02:35] <neozen> kristjans: come back in a week
[02:35] <neozen> ..if I've made it work... I'll be letting you know
[02:36] <kristjans> i think removing the icons would help
[02:36] <neozen> lol
[02:36] <kristjans> because i don't need any of thos
[02:36] <kristjans> okay
[02:36] <kristjans> removed
[02:36] <kristjans> way better :)
[02:36] <Jester45> i would like to learn perl...but im to lazy right now
[02:36] <neozen> there's always a setting to whack out the toolbar
[02:36] <neozen> the camel book is great for that
[02:37] <jlamr>  
[02:37] <kristjans> yeah but it just a waste of space
[02:37] <kristjans> is
[02:37] <kristjans> there a way to remove half of the menus? :
[02:37] <neozen> LOL
[02:37] <neozen> just use vim
[02:37] <neozen> in a terminal
[02:37] <neozen> I know there's a syntax highlighter for PHP and HTML
[02:38] <neozen> script for vim
[02:38] <kristjans> i want file > open/save/save as and search and maybe a preferences
[02:38] <neozen> ....well.... you could always write one
[02:38] <neozen> kristjans: care to learn python?
[02:38] <neozen> j/k
[02:38] <kristjans> hm...
[02:38] <kristjans> i have to think about that ;)
[02:39] <neozen> if you write it... we will come
[02:40] <jlamr> http://www.php-editors.com/review/
[02:40] <kristjans> but can the language list be cut down?
[02:41] <kristjans> i've never heard about half of the languages
[02:41] <kristjans> there
[02:41] <neozen> hmm
[02:41] <kristjans> html, css and php would be fine with me
[02:41] <neozen> wait... you mean in scite?
[02:41] <kristjans> yeah
[02:41] <neozen> ...don't worry about it
[02:42] <neozen> ..it should auto detect which syntax highlighting to use
[02:42] <neozen> SHOULD
[02:42] <kristjans> okay
[02:42] <neozen> hey... I got something
[02:42] <neozen> nedit
[02:42] <kristjans> then how do i remove the language menu?:P
[02:45] <kristjans> i tried nedit, it didn't even start
[02:46] <neozen> what do you mean didn't start
[02:46] <kristjans> i typed in gedit, nothing happened. i typed it in terminal and a couple lines of text came there and nothing else happened
[02:47] <neozen> nedit
[02:47] <neozen> ..not gedit
[02:47] <kristjans> nedit then
[02:47] <neozen> sudo aptitude install nedit
[02:47] <kristjans> i typed in nedit then ;)
[02:47] <neozen> run from a terminal
[02:47] <neozen> *run that line
[02:47] <kristjans> BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
[02:47] <kristjans>  etc...
[02:47] <kristjans> that's when i tried it
[02:48] <neozen> BadMatch?
[02:48] <kristjans> it's
[02:48] <kristjans> 3 more lines
[02:48] <neozen> did you install nedit?
[02:48] <kristjans> i did
[02:49] <neozen> ...ok
[02:49] <kristjans> and i already uninstalled it too
[02:49] <neozen> lol
[02:50] <kristjans> so is
[02:50] <kristjans> it hopeless to find a html/css/php editor that i could strip down to my needs?
[02:50] <neozen> yes
[02:50] <neozen> ..... if you want minimal
[02:50] <neozen> ...you want terminal
[02:51] <neozen> ::grins::
[02:51] <kristjans> terminal is
[02:51] <kristjans> too minimal
[02:51] <neozen> LOL
[02:51] <kristjans> i would like something that would not be minimal, and what would let me remove all the features
[02:51] <kristjans> that i don't want
[02:52] <kristjans> or be minimal, and let me add these. kind of like firefox.
[02:52] <neozen> lol
[02:52] <neozen> I would call firefox many things
[02:52] <neozen> ...minimal isn't one of them
[02:52] <kristjans> it's kind of a base
[02:52] <kristjans> to which you add plugins and things
[02:52] <kristjans> like that
[02:52] <neozen> anything which eats ram like that..... is not minimal
[02:53] <neozen> however... it WORKS
[02:53] <neozen> so I'll forgive it
[02:53] <kristjans> what i like about firefox is
[02:53] <neozen> go look up emacs and its variants
[02:54] <kristjans> that i use most of it's menus that i can see
[02:54] <neozen> there's a million of them
[02:54] <kristjans> not those that are hidden though
[02:54] <neozen> ..and they are infinitely configurable
[02:55] <kristjans> hmm... i was
[02:55] <kristjans> afraid that someone will say that
[02:55] <neozen> ok
[02:55] <neozen> ....well... you want minimal
[02:55] <neozen> ...gui
[02:55] <neozen> ...and lots of configuration
[02:55] <neozen> .....emacs
[02:55] <kristjans> i have tried it
[02:55] <kristjans> i didn't get further than seeing how ugly it looked
[02:55] <kristjans> then i closed it
[02:56] <neozen> let me guess ... not to your liking?
[02:56] <kristjans> then i typed in emacs
[02:56] <kristjans> gtk2
[02:56] <kristjans> and found some questions
[02:56] <kristjans> and no guides
[02:56] <kristjans> then i removed it
[02:57] <neozen> well.... theres this thing
[02:57] <neozen> its called google
[02:57] <neozen> ..type in emacs... tutorial
[02:57] <neozen> ::grins::
[02:57] <kristjans> google was
[02:57] <kristjans> the place where i typed in emacs gt2
[02:57] <neozen> ah
[02:57] <kristjans> gtk
[02:57] <neozen> xemacs
[02:57] <neozen> I know that works
[02:58] <kristjans> xemacs21?
[02:58] <kristjans> 32.9mb?
[02:58] <kristjans> minimal?
[02:58] <kristjans> :P
[02:58] <neozen> lol
[02:58] <neozen> from your descriptions
[02:58] <neozen> ..you don't want minimal
[02:58] <jlamr> any time i need php i just google/copy/paste - but then again, im a hack
[02:59] <neozen> ..you want maximum configurability
[02:59] <neozen> ..so you can strip it down
[02:59] <neozen> .....lots of configuration..... does not get you minimal
[02:59] <kristjans> hmm
[02:59] <neozen> besides
[03:00] <neozen> don't be stingy w/ disk space
[03:00] <neozen> ..how large is the HD
[03:00] <kristjans> After unpacking 107MB of additional disk space will be used.
[03:00] <kristjans> 75 gb
[03:00] <neozen> yeah
[03:00] <neozen> well...
[03:00] <neozen> I think you can spare the 32mb
[03:00] <neozen> ..if it gets you what you want
[03:00] <kristjans> it's 107 mb
[03:01] <neozen> well... ::grins:: that's emacs
[03:01] <neozen> ...be sure to use aptitude when you install
[03:01] <kristjans> i pressed Y
[03:01] <neozen> ..instead of apt-get
[03:01] <kristjans> why?
[03:01] <kristjans> i though they are the same thing
[03:01] <kristjans> thought*
[03:01] <neozen> ...if you whack something out... it will remove the dependancies it installed along with something
[03:02] <neozen> but it can only do that when you install w/ aptitude
[03:02] <neozen> apt-get doesn't remove all the dependancies
[03:02] <neozen> certainly not in my experience
[03:02] <kristjans> okay
[03:02] <neozen> the good news is
[03:02] <neozen> ..you can speak to them in the same way
[03:03] <neozen> the syntax for commands is exactly the same
[03:03] <neozen> sudo aptitude install packagename
[03:03] <neozen> sudo aptitude purge packagename
[03:03] <neozen> etc
[03:03] <kristjans> that's why i thought they were the same
[03:03] <neozen> no
[03:03] <neozen> they're different
[03:03] <neozen> aptitude is a front-end to apt-get
[03:03] <neozen> ..that does more
[03:04] <kristjans> "remove" and "purge" are different then too?
[03:04] <neozen> yes
[03:04] <neozen> remove whacks out the binaries and some configs
[03:04] <neozen> ..purge whacks out EVERYTHING
[03:05] <kristjans> i don't want it to remove EVERYTHING lol :P
[03:05] <neozen> everything that it created
[03:05] <neozen> ...or added
[03:05] <kristjans> yeah:P
[03:05] <neozen> when it installed
[03:05] <kristjans> is xemacs easy to configure though?
[03:05] <neozen> should be
[03:05] <neozen> .....
[03:05] <neozen> if you know lisp
[03:05] <kristjans> mm
[03:05] <kristjans> what's that?
[03:06] <neozen> programming language
[03:06] <jlamr> Im off, but kristjans there is a ##php chan here, maybe those folks could recommend something specifically for your needs
[03:06] <kristjans> uh
[03:06] <kristjans> emacs is
[03:06] <kristjans> gray
[03:07] <neozen> configurable
[03:07] <neozen> and its gray
[03:07] <kristjans> can i configure it to be exactly like mousepad?
[03:07] <neozen> because that's the bg of your dark theme
[03:07] <neozen> ...probably
[03:07] <kristjans> how long will it take?
[03:07] <neozen> don't know
[03:08] <neozen> I've done what I can for you
[03:08] <kristjans> thanks
[03:08] <neozen> ..and suggested all I can think of
[03:08] <neozen> ....you... are what is known as a tough customer ::Grins::
[03:08] <kristjans> :D
[03:08] <neozen> you're welcome
[03:08] <kristjans> i know what i want but i have a hard time expressing it
[03:09] <neozen> you might want to work on that
[03:09] <neozen> it will serve you better then anything else in life
[03:09] <kristjans> & i don't want to spam the channel
[03:10] <neozen> ...not like anyone else is speaking
[03:10] <kristjans> emacs is
[03:10] <kristjans> scary
[03:11] <neozen> yep
[03:11] <kristjans> the closest thing to what i want seems
[03:11] <neozen> lol
[03:11] <kristjans> still to be mousepad
[03:11] <neozen> well .. there is good news
[03:11] <neozen> http://blog.xfce.org/?p=153
[03:12] <kristjans> woah
[03:13] <neozen> yeah
[03:13] <neozen> mousepad might be getting all those features you know and love
[03:13] <neozen> heck... it might have them now
[03:14] <kristjans> i think it would be the best to go through plugins though
[03:14] <kristjans> i love the default configuration for mousepad
[03:15] <neozen> its all about the direction the developer is willing to go in
[03:15] <neozen> ...you want to go in a different direction
[03:15] <neozen> ..write your own
[03:15] <neozen> ..that's been the way of it since the beginning
[03:15] <neozen> ..remember... most of these coders aren't getting paid
[03:15] <kristjans> it would be way easier if i knew how to program applications
[03:16] <neozen> well
[03:16] <neozen> if you know python
[03:16] <neozen> ...just look up the gtk bindings for it
[03:16] <neozen> ...I think even php had gtk bindings
[03:16] <neozen> *has
[03:17] <kristjans> okay
[03:18] <kristjans> so, i stick with mousepad. for now. :
[03:18] <neozen> lol
[03:18] <kristjans> what i miss about it is a preferences dialog
[03:18] <neozen> or you snag the newest version of it
[03:18] <neozen> ...where all the stuff might be in
[03:19] <kristjans> i don't want all the stuff though
[03:20] <kristjans> as i said, mousepad seems to fit me the best ;)
[03:20] <neozen> .................
[03:20] <neozen> ok
[03:20] <kristjans> i even think it has too many options right now
[03:21] <neozen> we... do not think alike
[03:21] <kristjans> :P
[03:21] <neozen> though don't get me wrong
[03:21] <neozen> I hate emacs
[03:21] <neozen> having an entire os in my editor.. seems a bit much for me
[03:21] <kristjans> :P
[03:21] <neozen> ..ancient joke
[03:22] <kristjans> (File>as it is; Edit>Undo, Redo, Preferences; Search>as it is; Options > As
[03:22] <kristjans> it is
[03:22] <kristjans> that would be the 4 menus
[03:22] <kristjans> of my dream application
[03:23] <neozen> yeah
[03:23] <kristjans> the syntax highlighting would be under the preferences
[03:23] <neozen> ....so
[03:23] <neozen> go write it
[03:23] <neozen> ...seriously
[03:23] <kristjans> writing an application to write web sites? isn't it too much :D
[03:24] <neozen> lol
[03:24] <kristjans> i'll never get the web site done like that
[03:24] <neozen> yeah
[03:26] <neozen> well.... then I guess you deal w/ the solutions available
[03:26] <kristjans> i can deal with it
[03:26] <neozen> coo
[03:26] <kristjans> i was just wondering, if there is
[03:26] <kristjans> something like that
[03:26] <kristjans> ;)
[03:26] <neozen> I think we've pretty much exhausted the options
[03:26] <neozen> take a look @ that list jlamr posted
[03:27] <neozen> maybe you'll find what you seek
[03:27] <neozen> ..just realize
[03:27] <neozen> you might have to be flexible
[03:27] <neozen> alllright
[03:27] <neozen> next question
[03:27] <neozen> LOL
[03:27] <kristjans> :P
[03:28] <kristjans> at least i now know that i like mousepad more than i though
[03:28] <kristjans> t
[03:29] <neozen> lol
[03:29] <neozen> that's good
[03:29] <neozen> ...one should like one's editor
[03:29] <neozen> ...in linux you end up spending an awful lot of time in it
[03:30] <neozen> this.. is why there are holy wars over editors
[03:30] <neozen> did you ever like textpad?
[03:30] <neozen> under windows?
[03:30] <kristjans> i liked notepad
[03:30] <neozen> EWWWWWWWWWWWWW!
[03:30] <neozen> I could never go back
[03:31] <neozen> I've grown to like smart indent far too much
[03:31] <kristjans> hm
[03:31] <kristjans> what's that?:P
[03:31] <neozen> ok
[03:31] <neozen> imagine ... you type an {
[03:31] <neozen> you whack enter
[03:31] <kristjans> oh that
[03:31] <neozen> you start typing
[03:31] <neozen> ...it indents
[03:32] <kristjans> vim?
[03:32] <neozen> ...when you type a }
[03:32] <neozen> ..it lines it up w/ the other one
[03:32] <neozen> yeah
[03:32] <neozen> vim has it
[03:32] <neozen> emacs has it
[03:32] <neozen> ...any editor (including the current 0.3.x mousepad apparently) seems to have it
[03:33] <neozen> except the mousepad that comes w/ xubuntu dapper
[03:33] <neozen> I do a ton of coding
[03:34] <kristjans> i need .3.x mousepad
[03:34] <kristjans> :P
[03:34] <neozen> ...and when my editor lines up my code for me .... so I don't have to.... and runs fast.... and doesn't slow me down.... I fall in love
[03:34] <neozen> ok
[03:34] <neozen> you'll probably have to compile from source
[03:34] <neozen> and....... it might be beta
[03:35] <neozen> but it exists
[03:36] <kristjans> http://svn.xfce.org/svn/xfce/mousepad/branches/mousepad-0.3.x/
[03:36] <neozen> you know how to compile right?
[03:36] <kristjans> i'm clueless
[03:36] <kristjans> make / make install?
[03:36] <neozen> ...ok... I'll do it with you
[03:36] <kristjans> i see no configure file
[03:36] <neozen> load up a terminal
[03:36] <kristjans> loaded to src folder
[03:37] <neozen> (mousepad 0.3 seems like a good thing to carry around anyway)
[03:37] <neozen> ok
[03:37] <kristjans> i tried svn before
[03:37] <kristjans> bash: svn: command not found
[03:38] <neozen> yeah
[03:39] <neozen> working on that
[03:39] <kristjans> isn't the package git-svn
[03:39] <kristjans> ?
[03:39] <kristjans> i'm just guessing, i have no clue
[03:40] <neozen> HEY GUYS!!!!
[03:40] <neozen> wakee wakee!!!
[03:40] <neozen> lol
[03:40] <kristjans> :P
[03:40] <kristjans> git-svn is already the newest version.
[03:40] <kristjans> can't be that
[03:41] <neozen> got it
[03:41] <neozen> aptitude install subversion
[03:42] <kristjans> okay, almost installed
[03:44] <neozen> LOL
[03:44] <neozen> nm
[03:45] <neozen> requires at least 3 or 4 more tools
[03:46] <kristjans> hm
[03:46] <neozen> and the list just keeps growing
[03:46] <neozen> ...bah
[03:46] <neozen> ...forgot how much of a pain this can be
[03:47] <kristjans> XFCE Desktop Environment ...and everything goes faster! :)
[03:47] <neozen> it does
[03:47] <neozen> it really does
[03:47] <neozen> the software is fast
[03:47] <neozen> ..just don't mess w/ it
[03:47] <kristjans> :P
[03:47] <neozen> plus installing development versions is always a pain
[03:55] <cellofellow> I think I have a buggy xfce4-panel. It's hogging lots of CPU.
[03:56] <neozen> yeah
[03:57] <cellofellow> and doesn't respond to SIGTERM, but needs a SIGKILL
[03:57] <neozen> I've noticed my cpu usage maxing out as well
[03:57] <neozen> though the culprit appears to be X
[03:57] <neozen> *Xorg
[03:57] <neozen> on dapper
[03:57] <neozen> according to top
[03:57] <cellofellow> well, Min
[03:57] <cellofellow> Mine's usually Xorg, but it calms down.
[03:58] <neozen> mine hasn't been as of late
[03:58] <cellofellow> I had a rouge xfce4-panel process.
[03:58] <neozen> ..is beginning to vex me
[03:58] <neozen> lol
[03:58] <neozen> if it does it any more
[03:58] <neozen> I'll whack out Xorg
[03:58] <cellofellow> and use what?
[03:58] <cellofellow> Emcs?
[03:58] <cellofellow> Emacs*
[03:58] <neozen> reinstall
[03:58] <neozen> LOL
[03:58] <neozen> no
[03:59] <neozen> I'd never do that
[03:59] <cellofellow> X is just a bear anyways
[03:59] <neozen> good thing linux doesn't use it anymore
[03:59] <neozen> ::grins::
[03:59] <neozen> all hail Xorg
[03:59] <neozen> but yes
[03:59] <neozen> it is indeed
[03:59] <cellofellow> I just installed E16 (though I wanted E17) and it's weird.
[04:00] <neozen> e16?
[04:00] <cellofellow> Enlightenment
[04:00] <neozen> aaah
[04:00] <cellofellow> 0.16
[04:00] <neozen> ...I just use whatever came w/ xubuntu dapper
[04:00] <neozen> ....a few themes
[04:00] <neozen> ..firefox
[04:00] <neozen> ...azureus
[04:01] <neozen> and gaim
[04:01] <cellofellow> Swiftfox, Gmail, OpenOffice (can't stand Abiword really). Gajim
[04:01] <neozen> lol
[04:01] <neozen> I don't write papers
[04:01] <neozen> ...yay for being in my senior year
[04:01] <neozen> ....there isn't a c++ prof alive that doesn't accept txt
[04:02] <cellofellow> I need to write more. I like Google Docs, 'specially when I need to work with other people.
[04:02] <neozen> I take it google has created a collaboration editor?
[04:02] <neozen> ...finally
[04:02] <neozen> I've been waiting for that
[04:03] <cellofellow> Google Docs has been around forever. It's a web-based "word processor" that has nice collab features. Used to be called Writely, I've used it since b4 Google bought it.
[04:03] <cellofellow> forever, nah, a yeah total, as writely too, yah.
[04:03] <neozen> ..nice
[04:04] <cellofellow> !e17
[04:04] <ubotu> Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work. E17 is the current development version.
[04:04] <neozen> ok
[04:04] <cellofellow> !info enlightenment
[04:04] <ubotu> enlightenment: The Enlightenment Window Manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.16.7.2-3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 380 kB, installed size 980 kB
[04:04] <neozen> I've just stuck w/ xfce
[04:05] <cellofellow> I'me figuring stuff out myself
[04:05] <neozen> its been good to me
[04:05] <neozen> I've customized it of course
[04:05] <cellofellow> I started with KDE, so I'm branching out
[04:05] <neozen> aaaah
[04:05] <neozen> I started w/ xfce
[04:05] <neozen> ..and been very satisfied
[04:05] <cellofellow> nice :)
[04:05] <kristjans> i started with kde
[04:05] <kristjans> then i tried gnome
[04:05] <kristjans> and then i had forgotten everything about kde
[04:06] <kristjans> so i tried kde again
[04:06] <kristjans> and then i tried gnome again
[04:06] <kristjans> and then i tried xfce
[04:06] <kristjans> and then i tried to find a better text editor than mousepad ;)
[04:06] <cellofellow> My first exposure to XFCE was PHAK, though I didn't know it was XFCE. It was XFCE3 or so. I thought it was weird, PHLAK's artwork didn't help. I gave the borrowed CD back.
[04:06] <cellofellow> kristjans: SciTE :) Vim.
[04:07] <neozen> ...?
[04:07] <kristjans> not again... :D
[04:07] <neozen> LOL] 
[04:07] <kristjans> I think I like gPHPEdit
[04:07] <neozen> ...ok then
[04:07] <neozen> use that
[04:08] <cellofellow> PHLAK == Professional Hackers Linux Assault Kit. XFCE-based LiveCD with security software and artwork focused on AK-47 weilding Tuxes.
[04:08] <neozen> O.o beta
[04:08] <neozen> can you say splat?
[04:08] <cellofellow> splat?
[04:08] <kristjans> my classmate would be interested in that
[04:08] <neozen> though... honestly... all xfce stuff is beta
[04:08] <neozen> ..so it can't be that bad
[04:09] <neozen> LOL @ cello
[04:09] <cellofellow> actually, I so want a copy of PHLAK now. That was an old copy and I really need a good live distro.
[04:09] <neozen> define good
[04:09] <neozen> one of my friends swears by puppy
[04:09] <cellofellow> dunno. My knoppix CD died and DSL only does so much.
[04:10] <cellofellow> and I can't find my Puppy CD. Ubuntu CD's don't really count as live, they're sort of slow and small for Live distros.
[04:10] <neozen> yeah
[04:10] <neozen> well... there's a million livecds
[04:10] <neozen> distrowatch
[04:11] <cellofellow> I know. I downloaded PHLAK but then didn't have any CD's to burn. I do have the priveledge of using my dads laptop to burn things, but I need CD's. I resort to network installs and ShipIt for installing linux.
[04:14] <cellofellow> or, lets see how out-of-place I can make firefox look. :) I've been using Tango but it's bland.
[04:18] <cellofellow> hehe, I found a nice theme that's not out of place. :)
[04:25] <kristjans> hmm
[04:25] <kristjans> gphpedit or geany
[04:31] <cellofellow> DrPython is nice too, based on SciTE.
[05:04] <tripppy> when changing keyboard shortcuts keys, i can't set Super_L to Alt+Esc, it comes up as Super+Super_L, what am i doing wrong?
[05:21] <RememberPOL> Is it possible to change display depth without restarting X?
[05:23] <tripppy> the resoultuion?
[05:24] <j1mc> what is "display depth" anyway?  i think it's the one where you get the choice between 8, 12, and 24, but i don't know what the change makes.
[05:24] <j1mc> or what the difference is.  i always pick 24
[05:24] <tripppy> RememberPOL, Ctrl+Alt++
[05:42] <PuMpErNiCkLe> j1mc: That would be color depth - the number of bits per pixel for color accuracy.
[05:42] <j1mc> thanks, PuMpErNiCkLe
[05:42] <PuMpErNiCkLe> np
[05:43] <BFTD> pumpernickle muffins
[05:43] <PuMpErNiCkLe> mmm... muffins
[05:43] <knight> hi all
[05:43] <j1mc> hi knight
[05:43] <knight> has anybody install ltsp on xubuntu
[05:43] <BFTD> hi
[05:44] <j1mc> not me . . . :(
[05:53] <knight> oh ok
[05:53] <knight> there is a known issue where
[05:53] <knight> xubuntu ltsp server is intsalled
[05:54] <knight> the thin clients can turn off the server
[05:57] <j1mc> . . . that's no good.  :(
[06:01] <knight> yup
[06:02] <knight> it defeats the purpose of running xubuntu as a ltsp server
[06:02] <cellofellow> I have openoffice.org-help-en-us installed, but OOo's help isn't working.
[06:02] <cellofellow> what to do?
[06:04] <knight> come here and ask the question
[06:04] <cellofellow> come where?
[06:04] <knight> this IRC channel
[06:04] <knight> lol
[06:05] <knight> you installed this under xbuntu
[06:05] <cellofellow> How do I get the Help working in OpenOffice? The package it says it needs, openoffice.org-help-en-us, is installed but the help isn't working.
[06:05] <cellofellow> Yes
[06:05] <cellofellow> Abiword just doesn't cut it, sorry.
[06:06] <kristjan_> why do I get  "dpatch status /home/kristjan/varia/kiso.debdiff" gives me "/home/kristjan/varia/kiso.debdiff does not exist."
[06:07] <kristjan_> what is the right way to apply debdiff then?
[06:09] <crimsun> patch(1)
[06:10] <kristjan_> sudo patch /home/kristjan/varia/kiso.debdiff jangs
[06:10] <kristjan_> *hangs
[06:15] <psykidellic> hi...anybody interested in helping me detect my ethernet card?
[06:17] <tripppy> psykidellic, if you cant find it. turn off PC. change the PCI slot its sitting in. and try again
[06:17] <psykidellic> trippy i can find it
[06:18] <psykidellic> the problem is that Xubuntu 6.01 nor 6.1 can detect it
[06:18] <psykidellic> its a 3com that uses a generic 3c59x driver
[06:18] <psykidellic> so i boot up with E live 0.4 live CD
[06:18] <psykidellic> and it detects it correctly..i can browse the net, connect to local network etc.
[06:18] <psykidellic> so i was wondering why Ubuntu is not detecting....
[06:18] <psykidellic> i did modprobe without any result
[06:19] <psykidellic> so anything that i can take from elive system and put it in xubuntu?
[06:19] <psykidellic> trippy, i have tried changing the slot too but with same result
[06:19] <tripppy> mmm. ok. no idea. usually i found the irq setting to stuff me around.
[06:20] <tripppy> sorry im not a pro at this stuff.
[06:20] <psykidellic> no problem...i can get the irq setting in elive...how can i set them in Xubuntu?any idea?
[06:20] <tripppy> if its ubuntu your having problems with try #ubuntu
[06:21] <psykidellic> i tried there...nobody replied :(
[06:22] <tripppy> you have to wait. i sometimes wait for hours
[06:22] <tripppy> or try again another time
[06:22] <tripppy> good luck
[06:22] <psykidellic> okie
[06:32] <cellofellow> psykidellic: oh, yeah. there's also always the forums or mailing lists.
[06:37] <psykidellic> cellofellow, yeah. I will try that too.
[06:56] <icicled> how do i disable the sound that comes up when gdm starts in xubuntu?
[07:07] <icicled> apparently you can configure that via gdmsetup
[07:07] <icicled> go figure
[08:10] <TexasMan915> hello
[08:10] <TexasMan915> can someone tell me what is the password to log in as a root
[08:11] <TexasMan915> so how to install flash on my xubuntu
[08:19] <kristjans> TexasMan915: Do you mean Flash Player in Mozilla Firefox?
[08:47] <distrovader> hey new to linux does anyone know how to connect to dail up with 6.10
[08:49] <distrovader> hello?
[09:18] <dejx> http://rafb.net/p/A4Puhu72.html , i tried with -f and i got the same error, what can i do, i did apt-get update,its fresh install
[09:29] <dejx> okaj
[09:29] <dejx> another thing
[09:30] <dejx> vi + ins,del,home,end,pgup,pgdn keys are acting weird in xubuntu
[09:30] <dejx> what to do?
[09:35] <dejx> anyone?
[12:12] <reckrhodes> what are the minimum hardware requirements for me to install the xubuntu? please help me.
[12:45] <solotim> refer to xubuntu.org please
[01:34] <g1gaman> can i run ubuntu installer from cd, if i boot with cdrom support from windows98 start-up floppy? there is no possibility to make cdrom as a boot device in bios :(
[01:34] <g1gaman> hello, gentlemen, btw
[01:36] <moe_evil> g1gaman: you can make a linux boot flopy from de xubuntu cdrom
[01:36] <moe_evil> take a look at [CDROM] /install/README.smb
[01:36] <g1gaman> moe_evil: can you show me how to?
[01:37] <g1gaman> ah oh
[01:37] <g1gaman> ok
[01:37] <g1gaman> moe_evil: tnx
[01:37] <moe_evil> .sbm , sorry
[01:37] <g1gaman> moe_evil: have you ever done that?
[01:37] <moe_evil> nops
[01:38] <moe_evil> well, some years ago :)
[01:38] <g1gaman> moe_evil: are you sure it'll work fine?
[01:38] <moe_evil> no idea
[01:38] <moe_evil> I'm reading the doc
[01:39] <moe_evil> it doesn't explain well howto to create the floppy :/
[01:39] <moe_evil> maybe in the ubuntu wiki?
[01:40] <g1gaman> moe_evil: no, it doesnt :(
[01:40] <moe_evil> I find some info in the forums:
[01:40] <moe_evil> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-190920.html
[01:41] <moe_evil> and in spanish: http://fabianf.wordpress.com/2007/01/29/tutorial-como-instalar-gnulinux-en-esos-pcs-viejos-que-por-la-bios-no-puedes-seleccionar-el-cd-rom/
[01:41] <moe_evil> I will save this one for me :)
[01:43] <moe_evil> I must return to work :)
[01:51] <g1gaman> moe_evil: you know whats is funny? my windows computer doesn't have a floppy drive, but manual obviosly is created for windows users. i'm sorry for disturbing your work
[01:52] <moe_evil> umm, yo don't have a floppy and you bios doesn't boot from CD?
[01:52] <moe_evil> I think that the only solution is to move the harddisk to another computer, install, and get back de HD :(
[01:52] <nicolah> what software do you use to burn cd/dvd in xfce ?
[01:53] <moe_evil> I supose your BIOS/NetCard doesn't support netboot, no?
[01:53] <g1gaman> moe_evil: yes, it does. but i am to lame to manage it :(
[01:53] <g1gaman> too lame
[01:54] <moe_evil> ummm. but you will need another linux box acting has a server
[01:54] <g1gaman> moe_evil: probably it is too difficult for me
[01:54] <moe_evil> in the ubuntu wiki it's explained quite well
[01:55] <g1gaman> moe_evil: well i'll try to digg through manuals
[01:55] <g1gaman> moe_evil: though my english is poor
[01:55] <moe_evil> mine to :)
[01:56] <g1gaman> nicolah: i guess whichever you want
[01:56] <moe_evil> the default tool it's xfburn, I think
[01:56] <moe_evil> but I prefer k3b :)
[01:56] <nicolah> xfburn does not manage dvd yet
[01:57] <nicolah> k3b needs kde libraries, doesn't ?
[01:57] <moe_evil> yes :(
[01:57] <g1gaman> nicolah: so what?
[01:57] <g1gaman> nicolah: use gnomebaker instead
[01:57] <g1gaman> it'll use gnome libraries
[01:58] <nicolah> I'm installing graveman, I'll try gnomebaker too
[01:58] <g1gaman> and gnomebaker is less bloated than graveman or k3b
[01:58] <g1gaman> imho
[01:58] <nicolah> ok
[02:03] <nicolah> I feel ok with graveman
[02:03] <g1gaman> nicolah: well, nice
[02:07] <grazie> i like graveman :). i don't like gnomebaker
[02:09] <tuxcrafter> hello
[02:09] <tuxcrafter> http://route.anwb.nl/ : can some test this site with firefox i got this crash
[02:10] <tuxcrafter> firefox
[02:10] <tuxcrafter> The program 'Gecko' received an X Window System error.
[02:10] <tuxcrafter> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[02:10] <tuxcrafter> The error was 'BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)'.
[02:10] <tuxcrafter>   (Details: serial 112 error_code 8 request_code 145 minor_code 3)
[02:10] <tuxcrafter>   (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;
[02:10] <tuxcrafter>    that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.
[02:10] <tuxcrafter>    To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line
[02:10] <tuxcrafter>    option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful
[02:10] <tuxcrafter>    backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.)
[02:10] <tuxcrafter> Segmentation fault
[02:10] <grazie> !pastebin | tuxcrafter:
[02:10] <ubotu> tuxcrafter:: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:11] <tuxcrafter> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6701/
[02:12] <tuxcrafter> hello, can someone open this website in firefox and looks if it crashed? http://route.anwb.nl/  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6701/
[02:12] <grazie> tuxcrafter: no problems for me
[02:14] <tuxcrafter> grazie: doe you have flash
[02:14] <grazie> tuxcrafter: yes
[02:14] <tuxcrafter> with sudo firefox its loads oke! but in normal user it crashed
[02:16] <grazie> tuxcrafter: not on xubuntu right now, but how did you install flash?
[02:17] <tuxcrafter> grazie: the problem is the flash plugin from adobe i removed the lib out of my plugin directory and now it is working oke
[02:17] <tuxcrafter> i will see if there is a new flash plugin avalable
[02:17] <grazie> great
[02:17] <tuxcrafter> libflashplayer.so
[02:19] <t0taln00b> hey
[02:19] <t0taln00b> :)
[02:21] <tuxcrafter> grazie: installed new flash plugin now problem solved, but it was a really bad bug :-D
[02:21] <tuxcrafter> segmention fault :-P
[02:23] <grazie> tuxcrafter: I'm just a user too :)
[02:24] <tuxcrafter> grazie: sorry  :-P i am developer :-P
[02:29] <blizz> i installed the phpmyadmin package.. is there any reason for the CSS to be fubared because of using lighttpd instead of apache?
[02:44] <grazie> blizz: css is processed by client not server
[02:47] <blizz> i know
[02:47] <blizz> but maybe the aliases are broken or something
[02:54] <grazie> blizz: well, a webserver that can't serve css files is about as useful as a chocolate teapot...maybe the config isn't quite right
[02:58] <blizz> well.. i thought that i maybe had to set that pmaAbsoluteUri setting, no idea.. maybe someone had similar problems with lighty and phpmyadmin..
[04:03] <dejx> hello
[04:03] <dejx> in network-admin i can see my pcmcia wlan card
[04:03] <dejx> and i get 2 ifaces, ath0 and wifi0, tx and rx are counted on wifi0
[04:04] <dejx> but how can i connect to wpa network via network-admin ?
[04:05] <dejx> guys
[04:05] <dejx> ?
[04:07] <grazie> dejx: sorry...I've never done wifi
[04:08] <dejx> i read some manuals and nothing
[04:08] <dejx> dunno what i'm doing wrong
[04:28] <bxnp> hi people i am on a system with kubuntu dapper installed, but i want to change to xubuntu, what is the bestway to do that, so i have a nice and good working xubuntu system
[04:42] <grazie> bxnp: you can xubuntu install xubuntu-desktop to get xfce + packages...but you will not get the best performance with kde still installed
[04:42] <bxnp> what do you mean
[04:43] <bxnp> when i reboot and login with xfce
[04:43] <bxnp> it does not load my kde packages right
[04:43] <bxnp> for me the memory footprint is important grazie
[04:44] <bxnp> anyway i guess it uses less ram then kde grazie
[04:44] <grazie> no. keeping kde will mean the that xfce will not perform as its best...everything should still work fine
[04:46] <bxnp> btw is there a tool like knetworkmanager for xfce
[04:47] <bxnp> or should i configure my wifi network by hand
[04:50] <grazie> bxnp: there is a network manager tool
[04:50] <bxnp> wich does wpa for the wifi
[04:51] <grazie> i don't do wifi
[04:52] <Jeffie2k7> does anyone have a good guide for setting up lamp on xubuntu? i would use server version but i'm setting up P2 450 lol
[04:55] <bxnp> oke i have to reboot
[04:55] <bxnp> i mean relogin
[05:02] <Ramla> Jeffie2k7: remember that the server install is the same base that all (x/k)ubuntu are based on, so an ubuntu lamp guide would do too.
[05:04] <Ramla> Jeffie2k7: actually, what do you mean you WOULD use server version
[05:39] <Jeffie2k7> sorry was afk - i meant that i read xubuntu was meant for older machines so i thought it would be a good base to start on
[05:40] <Jeffie2k7> i really just need apache / mysql / php / samba so i might just install and config them each on their own
[05:40] <Jeffie2k7> just hoped there was an easy automated lamp install, even though i already have the l part hehe
[05:41] <Jeffie2k7> just trying to get another test server up and running to do some wackier stuff than i'm currently doing on another newer server running FC6
[05:52] <grazie> Jeffie2k7: (k/x)ubuntu all use the same base. if you're not installing a gui on server it makes no difference
[06:29] <t0taln00b> hi
[09:03] <benjamin_> hey guys.
[09:03] <benjamin_> i had a question, regarding xfce's composite manager.
[09:03] <benjamin_> i would like to use it, but for some reason, i cant find out how, any option or anything about it.
[09:04] <benjamin_> most people seem to be using beryl on top of xfce, and i dont want that.
[09:05] <benjamin_> anyone can help ? (if anyone is around) just gimme a wiki or something... i have been googling around and on the forums, but couldnt find any info ? :O
[09:05] <grazie> benjamin_: let me get you a link
[09:06] <benjamin_> cheers :)
[09:08] <benjamin_> hey btw, after debian+gnome, ubuntu+gnome, freebsd+gnome, i am now on ubuntu+xfce .... and xfce is just so powerfull... even without the composite extension, it just looks soo great !
[09:09] <grazie> benjamin_: sorry about that...couldn't remember where i'd put it
[09:09] <grazie> benjamin_: >> http://www50.brinkster.com/craziegrazie/XubuntuTransparency.html
[09:10] <benjamin_> kk i take a look at that :)
[09:10] <grazie> np
[09:11] <benjamin_> thanks a lot btw :)
[09:39] <Prisoner_> hello there
[09:43] <Prisoner_> finally got Xubuntu installed
[09:43] <beltz> Is it easy to get both Ubuntu and Xubuntu on the same machine, without liveCD, so that I can compare their performance easily?
[09:43] <Prisoner_> you could probably set up a dual boot
[09:43] <beltz> Because I'm trying out Ubuntu but I don't find it responsive enough
[09:44] <beltz> I don't care for special effects, so I don't want it to take 200ms to minimize something. In fact, I want it to minimize windows 500ms BEFORE i click on them.
[09:44] <beltz> well not really, but I like minimal, no special effects os..
[09:45] <Prisoner_> I've tried Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu on a 400mhz, Xubuntu ran the best
[09:46] <beltz> If you were on a really fast computer, would it make a small difference though (due to no effects at all that take time to make stuff happen..)
[09:46] <beltz> Like that little effect on Ubuntu when you minimize a window
[09:48] <Prisoner_> I have Xubuntu dual booted on a 1.583GHZ AMD with 512MB RAM
[09:49] <Prisoner_> I need to know what's a good media player for Xubuntu
[09:50] <Prisoner_> as well as a good DVD/CD writing program
[09:53] <Prisoner_> hello
[09:56] <grazie> Prisoner_: DVD/CD writer graveman is good AND light
[09:56] <Prisoner_> cool
[09:57] <Prisoner_> where I can find it?
[09:57] <grazie> Prisoner_: media players...I like vlc, mplayer, audacious (not in the repos) but xmms is
[09:58] <grazie> Prisoner_: I think they are all in the unverse repo, which ones do you want?
[09:59] <Prisoner_> not sure yet
[09:59] <Prisoner_> I just installed XUbuntu on my main PC and want to get the most out of it
[09:59] <Prisoner_> trying to set up a printer
[10:01] <Prisoner_> I have a file in MP4 format I want to convert to DVD, do any of those programs do that?
[10:05] <Prisoner_> looks like the printer is working
[10:19] <Prisoner_> how can I change the order pages are printed in Xubuntu?
[10:28] <Prisoner_> how do I get my HP Deskjet printer to print in reverse order?
[10:28] <rootvzla> hi people
[10:29] <Prisoner_> think I may have found it
[11:12] <Blais1> lo everyone
[11:15] <yonkeltron> if gdm fails to start on the live cd, where can i look to try and find a problem?
[11:15] <yonkeltron> i want to install.....
[11:18] <Beltz> What are limitations in xubuntu compared to ubuntu?
[11:18] <Beltz> I tried Ubuntu for a day and I dont really know what is missing from my livecd of xubuntu except for effects when I minimize a window (which I hate)
[11:19] <cellofellow> Evolution. Network Manager. OpenOffice.
[11:19] <Beltz> Ok, but those are things I can install myself on Xubuntu, right?
[11:19] <cellofellow> yeah
[11:20] <Beltz> Also, I am used to thunderbird (which is on xubuntu). Is Evolution anything special?
[11:20] <cellofellow> not really
[11:20] <grazie> yonkeltron: did you verify download? what machine you got?
[11:21] <Beltz> Do you know if its easy to turn this pc in a VNC server on xubuntu?
[11:21] <cellofellow> There are plenty of VNC server daemon programs.
[11:21] <cellofellow> If you are connecting over LAN, however, GDM is better.
[11:21] <yonkeltron> grazie: i think i'll just use etch....
[11:22] <yonkeltron> grazie: old gateway
[11:22] <Beltz> Nah its not for LAN
[11:22] <yonkeltron> grazie: seems to hang on squashfs loading...or something or other
[11:22] <cellofellow> I meant XDMCP, which uses GDM as the "server".
[11:24] <yonkeltron> grazie: actually...it got passed that but it is still hanging like a mofo....
[11:24] <yonkeltron> sadly
[11:24] <Beltz> If I have Ubuntu installed already, can I easily install Xubuntu without having to do it from scratch? And with no downsides of running both gnome and xfce or whatever at once?
[11:24] <cellofellow> what vidieo card?
[11:25] <cellofellow> Beltz: no real downsides 'cept some extra used hard drive space. You can install Xubuntu on Ubuntu by apt-geting xubuntu-desktop
[11:26] <Beltz> So both will be on the same partition, and Ill select whether to go with Ubuntu or Xubuntu at startup?
[11:26] <cellofellow> yonkeltron: what video card do have?
[11:26] <cellofellow> Beltz: at login
[11:27] <yonkeltron> cellofellow: some ati-rage thing....
[11:28] <cellofellow> :(
[11:28] <cellofellow> ATI and the LiveCD don't really get along 100% of the time.
[11:28] <yonkeltron> the issue seems to be a problem with fonts
[11:29] <cellofellow> Xorg, ATI, Fonts. All the same subsystem, really tied together.
[11:29] <cellofellow> BRB
[11:30] <grazie> yonkeltron: did you verify your download? how much ram?
[11:30] <yonkeltron> grazie: of course, and 256mb
[11:31] <Blais1> I've got problems with my Xubuntu, and it may well be graphic card related, I have an ATI, is there more information on these problems?
[11:31] <grazie> yonkeltron: dunno...?
[11:33] <cellofellow> yonkeltron: you may be able to install with the Alternate CD and then install the proprietary ATI driver.
[11:36] <yonkeltron> it's fine
[11:36] <yonkeltron> etch will do
[11:42] <Blais1> I've added a new resolution to my xorg.conf, but it doesn't show up in my display settings, how can I get it to show?
[12:05] <syamajala> hi
[12:05] <syamajala> i just downloaded xubuntu for ppc
[12:07] <syamajala> when i boot the cd
[12:07] <syamajala> i get blue screen with a mouse cursor on it
[12:07] <syamajala> and nothing else
[12:10] <grazie> syamajala: did you verify your download?
[12:11] <T`> anyone using raid on their xubuntu installation?
[12:11] <radioaktivstorm> hello...im having an issue with xfce; the font is incredibly small and i cannot seem to change it. can someone offer any suggestions?
[12:12] <syamajala> no
[12:12] <syamajala> i will now
[12:15] <grazie> syamajala: most likely problem. if md5sum is good burn the image slowly
[12:17] <grazie> radioaktivstorm: take a look at this >> http://xubuntuguide.org/tiki-index.php#Small_font_sizes
[12:18] <radioaktivstorm> thanks grazie :)
[12:18] <grazie> np
[12:21] <syamajala> grazie: its fine
[12:21] <syamajala> the md5
[12:22] <syamajala> but i just noticed
[12:22] <syamajala> i keep getting buffer i/o errors on hdc
[12:22] <grazie> syamajala: how did you burn the image?
[12:22] <syamajala> with disk utility
[12:22] <grazie> os x?
[12:23] <syamajala> yeah
[12:23] <grazie> and you selected verify on the burn?
[12:23] <syamajala> yeah
[12:24] <grazie> can you read the disk contents from os x?