| Tonio_ | mhb: is there a launchpad bug according to kdesktop ? | 12:24 |
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| mhb | Tonio_: indeed, bug 78318 | 12:25 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 78318 in kdebase "Screensaver unlock dialog ignores translation" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78318 | 12:25 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: okay nice | 12:26 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: you can put fix-released, the packages are now built | 12:27 |
| mhb | Tonio_: great, thanks again | 12:27 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: you're welcome :) | 12:28 |
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| manchicken | MASSIVE amounts of updates since I last logged on. | 01:05 |
| allee | hmm, for digikam any prefered kubuntu e-mail address to use in maintainer instead of Ubuntu Core Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com> ? | 01:06 |
| Tonio_ | allee: put yours :) | 01:06 |
| allee | Tonio_: okay | 01:06 |
| allee | Tonio_: but I really dislike being forced to use @ubuntu.com and not @kubuntu.org ;) | 01:07 |
| Tonio_ | allee: doesn't manage kubuntu.org ? | 01:08 |
| allee | However, if a particular package deserves a more specific contact, | 01:08 |
| allee | then it is encouraged to use a personal or team mailing list contact | 01:08 |
| allee | (however, it must be an @ubuntu.com address). | 01:08 |
| allee | ^^ so I assume yes I am | 01:09 |
| Tonio_ | hehe, yes you are :) | 01:09 |
| ajmitch | allee: kubuntu.org should work fine | 01:10 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: yup lots of updates today... | 01:10 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I fixed kdesktop translations :) | 01:10 |
| === allee hugs ajmitch | ||
| Tonio_ | hi ajmitch | 01:10 |
| ajmitch | allee: dpkg-source just appears to be searching for the string 'ubuntu' in the Maintainer field | 01:10 |
| ajmitch | hello Tonio_ | 01:10 |
| === allee giggles | ||
| allee | Tonio_: what was reason? | 01:11 |
| allee | for the missed translations | 01:11 |
| Tonio_ | allee: riddell patched kde not to load desktops mo files all the time | 01:11 |
| Tonio_ | allee: the patch was "if catalog name contains desktop no not load" ;) | 01:12 |
| Tonio_ | kdesktop.mo couldn't be loaded :) | 01:12 |
| Tonio_ | and kio.mo too | 01:12 |
| allee | Tonio_: heh, how did you feel after you found it? ;) | 01:12 |
| Tonio_ | allee: HAPPY ! | 01:13 |
| allee | :) | 01:13 |
| Tonio_ | allee: the point is that it was really hidden, since that patch idn't touch kdesktop at all... | 01:13 |
| Tonio_ | I found it be chance in fact, after 2 days of incomprehension :) | 01:13 |
| mhb | yeah it was really hidden | 01:16 |
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| allee | Please try: digikam 0.9.1~rc1 (for main) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4430 [need libkexiv2: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4421 is in new queue] | 01:34 |
| allee | I've forgotten to iconv -f 8859_1 -t utf8 README.Debian. Fixed in alioth repo so will be in digikam 0.9.0 final pkg | 01:34 |
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| manchicken | There seems to be a problem with the new debconf. | 01:37 |
| manchicken | I'm guessing /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104 (thought that's just the warning). | 01:38 |
| Hobbsee | oh? | 01:38 |
| manchicken | Yeah, it pops up a dialog saying that there's an invalid nice value. | 01:38 |
| manchicken | I wonder if that's because it's currently upgrading. | 01:38 |
| manchicken | I suppose I'll try an update again in a minute and see if it's still a problem. | 01:39 |
| manchicken | I'm a Perler, so if I see something I'll try to triage it. | 01:39 |
| manchicken | Yup. Happened again. | 01:40 |
| Hobbsee | ah yes, there have been bugs reported about that, iirc | 01:40 |
| manchicken | Is there a workaround? | 01:42 |
| Hobbsee | dunno, to be honest | 01:43 |
| Hobbsee | havent been following | 01:43 |
| manchicken | That's cool. | 01:43 |
| manchicken | Makes me wish I'd stuck with feisty sometimes ^_^ | 01:43 |
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| Hobbsee | heh | 01:44 |
| manchicken | Yeah, I can't use adept_updater... | 01:44 |
| Hobbsee | why didnt you? | 01:44 |
| manchicken | err, edgy | 01:44 |
| Hobbsee | ahh | 01:44 |
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| yuriy | strange. bug 48500 sounds like a media:/ patch bug, but it's on dapper | 02:11 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 48500 in kdebase "In Kubuntu Dapper KDE 3.5.3 - device icons disappearing" [Medium,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48500 | 02:11 |
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| manchicken | apt-get upgrade works where adept isn't. | 02:22 |
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| ryanakca | dunno if it's already done, but if not, an idea for the future: an app that transfers settings between an old and new comp | 03:18 |
| manchicken | Gotta get my development environment back. | 03:26 |
| Jucato | manchicken: why? what happened? | 03:28 |
| manchicken | Way out of date. | 03:29 |
| manchicken | I haven't touched it in a while. | 03:30 |
| Jucato | oh :) | 03:30 |
| Jucato | at least you have a dev env.. :) | 03:30 |
| manchicken | It's pretty easy to set up a chroot. | 03:31 |
| Jucato | yeah, I'll get to that part soonish... :) | 03:31 |
| nixternal | oi oi | 03:33 |
| Jucato | moin nixternal | 03:34 |
| yuriy | ryanacka: i thought something like that is in for ubuntu feisty | 03:36 |
| yuriy | ryanacka: migration assistant or something like that? | 03:36 |
| nixternal | man, about 2 hours ago I took about 50 D C C attemps | 03:36 |
| nixternal | I am guessing a bot came in, grabbed a list of names and went to town | 03:36 |
| nixternal | so I try contacting freenode staff and, well just like a cashier at KMart, they were about useless | 03:37 |
| yuriy | i'm just making typos/spelling mistakes everywhere today | 03:38 |
| jdong | nixternal: paper or plastic? | 03:38 |
| jdong | nixternal: would you like your milk in a bag? | 03:38 |
| jdong | nixternal: how about your orange juice? | 03:38 |
| jdong | OMG at Krogers I had someone ask if I wanted milk in a bag... I said yes | 03:39 |
| jdong | and then he asked paper or plastic | 03:39 |
| jdong | I just stared blankly at him | 03:39 |
| nixternal | Krogers people, well I will leave that one alone | 03:39 |
| nixternal | thank god we don't have Kroger in Chicago | 03:39 |
| nixternal | when I stayed in hotlanta it seemed they packed milk with either bread or eggs | 03:39 |
| jdong | lol | 03:41 |
| jdong | I've had that happen to me at meijers | 03:41 |
| jdong | I just replied back 'you know, you usually scramble eggs WHILE you cook them.' | 03:41 |
| jdong | I'm a pretty sarcastic person :P | 03:42 |
| nixternal | jdong: wth do you live? | 03:42 |
| nixternal | I love meijers, especially since KDE fixed konqi so I can shop online again :) | 03:42 |
| jdong | Metro Detroit.... | 03:42 |
| jdong | at least used to :) | 03:42 |
| nixternal | ahh, damn you are close :) | 03:43 |
| jdong | now I live overlooking an egg factory. | 03:43 |
| jdong | in Cambridge, MA | 03:43 |
| nixternal | ahhh | 03:43 |
| nixternal | met any of the old brahman clans out there? | 03:43 |
| jdong | not yet... :) | 03:43 |
| nixternal | brahmans are super cool. they act like they are in the UK and totally are't expected, especially around Boston | 03:44 |
| nixternal | no pahk the cah in the fwont yahd | 03:44 |
| jdong | lol | 03:44 |
| jdong | the boston accent is getting on my nerves though :D | 03:45 |
| jdong | I had to ask a MIT cop the other day for directions and I had to ask the poor guy to repeat himself like 4 times | 03:45 |
| jdong | and he was getting impatient near the end too :) | 03:45 |
| nixternal | haha | 03:45 |
| nixternal | wth are the "r"s | 03:45 |
| nixternal | my best bud lives in Brokton, and I make fun of him everytime he calls | 03:46 |
| yuriy | hey jdong were you at ubucon? | 03:46 |
| jdong | yuriy: nope :( | 03:46 |
| jdong | nixternal: lol :) | 03:46 |
| yuriy | ah. are you on the loco team? | 03:46 |
| jdong | no... | 03:46 |
| nixternal | anyone near Fort Wayne Indiana? | 03:46 |
| yuriy | j/w | 03:46 |
| ryanakca | Myrtle Beach, South Carolina? (or is it NC? ) | 03:47 |
| nixternal | I have been asked to come back and do a set of Open source and community lectures at Perdue, but school is preventing me from doing so | 03:47 |
| manchicken | Okay, so with pbuilder, you build, then what? Does it then make a .deb somewhere or do you use pbuilder to install? | 03:47 |
| ryanakca | it makes a .deb... then dpkg -i file.deb | 03:47 |
| nixternal | manchicken: want to go out to Perdue in Fort Wayne and talk Freedom? | 03:47 |
| nixternal | pbuilder-feisty build *.dsc | 03:47 |
| nixternal | it will make a .deb and put it in /var/cache/pbuilder/feisty/results | 03:47 |
| nixternal | if you setup your pbuilders the way the wiki shows | 03:48 |
| manchicken | Do I then just install that .deb? | 03:48 |
| ryanakca | yeah | 03:48 |
| nixternal | manchicken: you can yes | 03:48 |
| nixternal | that's what I do | 03:48 |
| ryanakca | hmm... | 03:49 |
| manchicken | nixternal: How much does that cost? When is it? | 03:49 |
| manchicken | I'm moving and switching jobs here soon. | 03:49 |
| === jdong misses driving his car :( | ||
| ryanakca | anybody a Hard Drive genius here? (I have a wonderful dilemma with this brand new comp I have) | 03:50 |
| ryanakca | jdong: lol | 03:50 |
| jdong | the first thing I'm gonna do when I visit home for spring break is hop into my SUV and floor it | 03:50 |
| jdong | in other words, get a few tickets | 03:50 |
| ryanakca | jdong: auto kaput ? | 03:50 |
| ryanakca | lol | 03:50 |
| ryanakca | jdong: sounds fun... | 03:50 |
| nixternal | manchicken: you decide when it is, and they will pay for your travel and 1 night if you would like | 03:51 |
| jdong | but apparently daddy wrecked my 5.7L grand cherokee :( | 03:51 |
| nixternal | Mon-Thu is best | 03:51 |
| jdong | spun out on snowy highway | 03:51 |
| jdong | "my" being used in the greedy possessive case. | 03:51 |
| ryanakca | jdong: ouch... lol | 03:52 |
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| manchicken | nixternal: This mon-thu? | 03:52 |
| jdong | on the bright side now my insurance company is replacing the chasis! yay! | 03:52 |
| ryanakca | yay! | 03:53 |
| nixternal | manchicken: no, next week, 2 weeks, next month | 03:56 |
| nixternal | whenever you could do it | 03:56 |
| manchicken | Who is "they?" | 03:57 |
| nixternal | this professor is wanting an Ubuntu community type talk, "both on its own, and as an example of the creation of an open source community" quoting the professor | 03:57 |
| manchicken | And would "they" cover my wife as well? | 03:57 |
| nixternal | Perdue University | 03:57 |
| nixternal | manchicken: probably not | 03:57 |
| manchicken | I just switched jobs, I'll have to see if I can work it in. | 03:59 |
| manchicken | If they wanted to fly/whatever me out on Sunday, talk Monday, fly/whatever home that evening, I could do April 16th. | 04:00 |
| nixternal | hey, will someone tell the GNOME people that Freespire and Linspire will ship with KDE like they have since day 1 :) | 04:01 |
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| manchicken | nixternal: They'll have to give a happy-fun disclaimer if I talk though. | 04:02 |
| manchicken | I think my views on Free software are a bit more radical than Canonical and Ubuntu in general. | 04:03 |
| manchicken | ^_^ | 04:03 |
| Jucato | they definitely are :) | 04:03 |
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| Jucato | aw... and I just got these clothes washed | 04:04 |
| manchicken | Sucks to be you. | 04:04 |
| Jucato | :D | 04:04 |
| manchicken | Though I'm a hypocrite like everybody else. heh | 04:04 |
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| Gerald | hey | 04:05 |
| manchicken | straw | 04:05 |
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| fearl | Hello, I was directed here from #kubuntu ... where are kcontrol modules listing specs located? I have two GTK Styles and Fonts entries, I'd like to remove one.... | 06:20 |
| fearl | I installed gtk2-engines-gtk-qt by mistake, and purged it, but its entry isn't gone | 06:20 |
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| _StefanS_ | mornings | 09:47 |
| Jucato | hi _StefanS_ | 09:51 |
| Jucato | I've been meaning to ask you something, just forgot what... | 09:51 |
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| _StefanS_ | hey | 09:55 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: you will eventually get your mind in gear I think | 09:56 |
| Jucato | eventually... I've been trying to for a week now :D | 09:56 |
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| lucascle | Hi guys! | 10:48 |
| Tonio_ | hi lucascle | 10:49 |
| lucascle | On your wiki page you said, you needed some programmers for various utilities. Could anybody specify some possibilities? | 10:49 |
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| lucascle | hey? | 10:56 |
| lucascle | I would like to help in programming, but what type of programms does kubuntu need? | 10:57 |
| Riddell | lucascle: do you know python or c++? | 10:59 |
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| lucascle | c++ | 10:59 |
| Riddell | there's actually less stuff to do in c++ | 11:00 |
| lucascle | and in phyton? | 11:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: updated kdenetwork for kopete variant activation | 11:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: currently upgrading kds | 11:01 |
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| Tonio_ | lucascle: I would suggest a kobby ! | 11:01 |
| Tonio_ | oups no not gobby..... | 11:01 |
| GNUro | Hello! | 11:01 |
| Tonio_ | hi GNUro | 11:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: what is the gnome tool to install deb packages ? | 11:02 |
| Riddell | in python we havn't found anyone to do the qt port of onboard the on screen keyboard | 11:02 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: gdebi | 11:02 |
| GNUro | Hello Tonio_ :) | 11:02 |
| Tonio_ | kdebi would be nice too ;) | 11:02 |
| Riddell | it's python too, would be cool to have a kde version, but please lets not call it kdebi | 11:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: aren't there apps like this already ? | 11:02 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: like what? | 11:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yeah that was just to demonstrate ;) | 11:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I've seen this already let me find... | 11:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=39416 | 11:04 |
| Tonio_ | klavier :) | 11:04 |
| Tonio_ | clavier = french = keyboard | 11:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: UI can be improved, but the base is there :) | 11:04 |
| Riddell | you could say the same about onboard :) | 11:05 |
| Riddell | needs packaging but | 11:05 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: interested in a package ? | 11:05 |
| Riddell | sure | 11:06 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: will do in a moment, uploading kds first ;) | 11:06 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: we should patch the "windows" key ;) | 11:06 |
| Tonio_ | that's ugly | 11:06 |
| Riddell | make it a kubuntu key | 11:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: sure | 11:07 |
| lucascle | so, what other applications are there? | 11:08 |
| lucascle | todo? | 11:09 |
| lucascle | btw: what is the launchpad name of kubuntu? | 11:12 |
| Tonio_ | lucascle: pykde frontend for gdebi | 11:14 |
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| lucascle | ok, i'll think over it. | 11:14 |
| lucascle | gdebi is in the package sources? | 11:14 |
| Tonio_ | lucascle: sure | 11:15 |
| Tonio_ | lucascle: it is an app to install .deb file manually with dependancies etc... | 11:15 |
| Riddell | there's no launchpad name for kubuntu, it's just the same as ubuntu | 11:15 |
| lucascle | ok I'll overwork that. @tonio_: I know gdebi. | 11:17 |
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| Tonio_ | lucascle: okay :) | 11:18 |
| lucascle | btw: SHould i do that for feisty or for edgy? | 11:18 |
| Riddell | lucascle: it can only be done for feisty, konsole doesn't have the necessary patches in edgy | 11:19 |
| lucascle | okay, then just for feisty | 11:19 |
| Riddell | the source is at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/+branch/gdebi/ubuntu | 11:19 |
| lucascle | thaks! | 11:20 |
| Riddell | bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/gdebi/ubuntu | 11:20 |
| lucascle | bye! | 11:24 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: good news :) would be nice to have gdebi for kde :) | 12:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: just finished packaging klavier fyi | 12:38 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: throw it up on revu? | 12:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: testing the build first :) | 12:47 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll post you the revu URL when done | 12:47 |
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| Riddell | highvoltage: it actually would be possible to get it into universe before the freeze, it's not hard to branch the seeds and make a new meta-package | 01:17 |
| highvoltage | Riddell: great! | 01:18 |
| Riddell | highvoltage: have you looked at the seeds before? | 01:18 |
| highvoltage | Riddell: not at the Kubuntu seeds, only at the Xubuntu and Edubuntu seeds so far | 01:19 |
| Riddell | highvoltage: I'd recommend doing a bzr branch on the edubuntu seed and taking out all the gnome stuff and replacing with kde | 01:19 |
| Riddell | then push to launchpad under the ubuntu-dev user | 01:20 |
| highvoltage | Riddell: ok, that sounds good, I'll make a note of it and take that approach. | 01:20 |
| highvoltage | ubuntu-dev user? would I have access to that? | 01:20 |
| Riddell | highvoltage: are you a MOTU? | 01:20 |
| highvoltage | Riddell: no, but it's probably time I go through the MOTU prosess, I've been too busy until recently and lately there's more and more stuff I want to get in | 01:21 |
| Riddell | well just push it as your user then | 01:22 |
| highvoltage | Riddell: I'm going to get started on this during the weekend, I'll ping this channel if I get stuck with kde-specific stuff. Are you usually around during weekends too? | 01:22 |
| Riddell | yes, I should be | 01:23 |
| highvoltage | cool, I have some people hovering around my desk asking for stuff, will talk about it again this weekend | 01:23 |
| highvoltage | Riddell: also, are you going to debconf this year? | 01:23 |
| Riddell | highvoltage: I'll be around | 01:24 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: kla | 02:41 |
| Tonio_ | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4433 | 02:41 |
| Tonio_ | sorry ;) | 02:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: no kubuntu icon since it uses a kde icon by default in fact | 02:41 |
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| manchicken | _StefanS_: You have that TT #? I think your message washed up with the spam. | 03:01 |
| _StefanS_ | manchicken: yes, two secs.. | 03:01 |
| _StefanS_ | CC916166515DK | 03:01 |
| _StefanS_ | www.pannordic.com | 03:01 |
| manchicken | Danke. | 03:02 |
| _StefanS_ | manchicken: I aint german ;) - I think it will be shipped with your regular post - not ups or anything the like | 03:02 |
| manchicken | _StefanS_: Sorry, but that's as close as I'll ever get to most of the native languages in Europe. | 03:02 |
| manchicken | So many languages. | 03:02 |
| _StefanS_ | manchicken: is that FedEx ? - or is that privately held ? | 03:03 |
| _StefanS_ | manchicken: 'Tak' means thanks :) | 03:03 |
| manchicken | Ah. | 03:03 |
| manchicken | Regular Post would be the "United States Postal Service." | 03:03 |
| manchicken | Ironically enough that's technically a private company. | 03:03 |
| manchicken | With more government subsidy than you can shake a stick at. | 03:04 |
| sebas | http://www.vandenoever.info/software/strigi/k.png This is surely a little bit Magritte-style | 03:04 |
| manchicken | Okay, time to go sit in an 8 hour meeting. So much meeting... so little beer. | 03:05 |
| manchicken | Later all. | 03:05 |
| manchicken | OOH! Something fixed the logout screen. Very nice. | 03:06 |
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| Riddell | elcuco_: the kdesktop i18n bug should be fixed now | 04:05 |
| elcuco | stupid network on my stupid college.... | 04:05 |
| Riddell | how random, someone just send me a 6MB e-mail thanking me for ubuntu and attaching this tune http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/sinhala-sri-lanka.mp3 | 04:05 |
| elcuco | Riddell: what was the problem? | 04:06 |
| Riddell | elcuco: me | 04:06 |
| Riddell | a patch that stopped translation files named *desktop* being loaded properly | 04:07 |
| elcuco | yes, i read your blog. i am just corious to see the code :) | 04:07 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 04:08 |
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| Riddell | elcuco: if (mainCatalogue.contains("desktop") == 0) { | 04:17 |
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| mhb | good afternoon | 04:46 |
| fdoving | hi mhb. | 04:48 |
| abattoir | hi mhb :) | 04:48 |
| Jucato | hi mhb ^_^ | 04:48 |
| Jucato | (that's a variety of greetings) | 04:48 |
| mhb | well, it's better than nothing :o) | 04:52 |
| mhb | sometimes nobody finds the time to greet you and that's worse, I guess ... anyway, back to topic - what's cooking? | 04:53 |
| bddebian | Hi mhb, fdoving, abattoir, Jucato! ;-) | 04:54 |
| Jucato | hehe hi bddebian! :) | 04:54 |
| abattoir | hi bddebian :) | 04:54 |
| fdoving | hi bddebian. | 04:54 |
| Jucato | lol | 04:54 |
| mhb | good afternoon bddebian | 04:55 |
| Jucato | hm... can anyone confirm this on the Edgy Desktop CD: Step 6 of 6: when Ubiquity tells you where it will install GRUB, and what partitions will be formatted, the location where you can install GRUB (hd0) is a hyperlink. clicking on it will bring up a dialog box, asking you for a location to install GRUB to | 04:55 |
| Riddell | Jucato: in edgy yes | 04:57 |
| Jucato | ooh... so we've had that feature already and nobody (or almost nobody) knew about it? :O | 04:57 |
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| rouzic | Hi | 07:15 |
| rouzic | Riddell: I have a problem of dependences on having installed the package kde-devel in Edgy | 07:17 |
| Riddell | rouzic: what's that? | 07:19 |
| rouzic | I have tried to install the package kde-devel in Edgy and it(he,she) me generates dependences with the packages kdebase-dev (> = 4:3.4.3) | 07:20 |
| Riddell | hmm, it's broken in feisty too | 07:21 |
| rouzic | There is some way of installing this metapaquete? | 07:22 |
| rouzic | package* | 07:22 |
| Riddell | rouzic: what are you trying to do? | 07:22 |
| Riddell | apt-get build-dep kdebase will work just as well | 07:22 |
| rouzic | install the kde-devel package | 07:22 |
| Riddell | but why? | 07:23 |
| rouzic | Because I need to install it | 07:24 |
| Riddell | you don't ever /need/ to install a meta package | 07:25 |
| Riddell | as I say, apt-get build-dep kdebase will do | 07:26 |
| rouzic | thanks Riddell | 07:27 |
| Riddell | ooh, just got my first apport bug report | 07:33 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: what can I do to get an apport crash? :) | 07:34 |
| nixternal | that is for any app that isn't KDE based? | 07:35 |
| Riddell | nixternal: crash a non kde app (with latest adept-notifier running and apport-qt installed) | 07:35 |
| Riddell | yes | 07:35 |
| Riddell | bash | 07:35 |
| Riddell | kill -SEGV $$ | 07:35 |
| Riddell | that does it | 07:35 |
| nixternal | ahh | 07:35 |
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| nixternal | I just crashed firefox, and ran kill -SEGV pid, was I supposed to get anything else after that? | 07:45 |
| Riddell | it crashed then you ran kill or you ran kill to crash it? | 07:48 |
| Riddell | firefox may have its own crash handler, I'm not sure, what's in /var/crash ? | 07:48 |
| Riddell | ryanakca, Tm_T: kickban needed in #kubuntu | 07:49 |
| Riddell | nixternal: you an op there? | 07:49 |
| nixternal | nope | 07:49 |
| nixternal | Riddell: it crashed on its own | 07:49 |
| Riddell | then you don't need to crash it again :) | 07:50 |
| nixternal | nothing in /var/crash | 07:50 |
| Riddell | thanks fdoving | 07:51 |
| nixternal | let me try another app | 07:51 |
| fdoving | :) | 07:51 |
| nixternal | how do I get to become an OP over there and have fun like that :) | 07:51 |
| Riddell | nixternal: ask me | 07:53 |
| nixternal | ahh that easy :) | 07:54 |
| nixternal | hrmm, Gnome hearts used to crash, but I guess they fixed it | 07:54 |
| nixternal | now I am trying to crash everything | 07:54 |
| nixternal | lol | 07:54 |
| Riddell | just use kill | 07:55 |
| Riddell | -SEGV | 07:55 |
| nixternal | woohoo, cool! | 07:55 |
| Riddell | what happened? | 07:55 |
| nixternal | it crashed :) | 07:56 |
| Riddell | and...? | 07:56 |
| nixternal | went to lp to file a bug | 07:56 |
| nixternal | I didn't follow through though and report the bug | 07:56 |
| Riddell | apport popped up? | 07:56 |
| nixternal | yes | 07:56 |
| Riddell | groovy | 07:56 |
| nixternal | i did the send to devs | 07:56 |
| nixternal | but canceled out instead of sending a bogus report | 07:56 |
| nixternal | well Riddell, if more help is needed in #kubuntu I am willing to help out OP wise, I am on the op teams already | 07:57 |
| seele | http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/02/21/1340237 | 08:00 |
| seele | ouch, hehe | 08:00 |
| nixternal | heh, he is having a rough week | 08:00 |
| Riddell | but there's no need for him to take it out on us | 08:01 |
| nixternal | Riddell: what did ESR take out on us? did I miss something? | 08:03 |
| Riddell | he switched to Ubuntu! now he'll troll about us. at least he hasn't switched to KDE | 08:04 |
| Riddell | Linus is bad enough :) | 08:05 |
| nixternal | haha | 08:05 |
| nixternal | true | 08:05 |
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| nixternal | I love Linus though, he is persistant and humorous at the same time | 08:05 |
| nixternal | at least Linus is productive, I mean he patched metacity :) | 08:06 |
| marseillai_ | who is ESR exactly! every one speaks about him but i've never heard anything about him before | 08:06 |
| nixternal | man, yesterday I was showing of Kubuntu Feisty running Beryl, and everyone in my class is like who, Vista and Mac killer. I wasn't expecting that from a bunch of myspace junkies | 08:07 |
| Riddell | someone who wrote something interesting once | 08:07 |
| nixternal | lol | 08:07 |
| nixternal | a long time ago | 08:07 |
| Riddell | marseillai_: author of the cathedral and the bazaar. also one of the founders of the open sauce inititive | 08:07 |
| Riddell | seems himself as the business friendly RMS | 08:08 |
| marseillai_ | oki! i thought i was a developper | 08:08 |
| marseillai_ | *it | 08:08 |
| nixternal | wow, it was only 8 years ago he wrote revenge | 08:08 |
| marseillai_ | so one more person on ubuntu! but him or someone else is exactly the same | 08:09 |
| nixternal | he is in love with himself no doubt | 08:09 |
| nixternal | Today I'm one of the half-dozen or so most influential people in that movement; in fact, a lot of people would put me among the top three, with Linus Torvalds and Richard M. Stallman | 08:09 |
| nixternal | oh wow, he is really full of himself. Riddell make sure you .*@his_domain* on the kubuntu-* lists :) | 08:10 |
| Riddell | he's also the worst possible stereotype of an American | 08:10 |
| marseillai_ | lol | 08:10 |
| marseillai_ | love this one Riddell ! :D | 08:10 |
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| nixternal | haha Riddell, that is sadly so true | 08:12 |
| nixternal | Riddell: what we would call him here in America is "white trash" | 08:12 |
| nixternal | or at least that is what they called him at a UIC event years back during a talk he "tried" to give | 08:12 |
| Riddell | sounds a bit racist | 08:12 |
| manchicken | And he's a hypocrite for hire. | 08:13 |
| nixternal | haha yes | 08:13 |
| nixternal | manchicken: did you ever see him give a talk at UIC back about 5 or so years ago? | 08:13 |
| manchicken | Nope. | 08:13 |
| manchicken | I would be more likely to protest outside his talks. | 08:13 |
| nixternal | haha, Riddell "white trash" would be racist depending on where it came from I guess | 08:15 |
| nixternal | my motto is "I ain't white trash, but I ain't high class" <- manchicken you hillbilly, what song did that come from? | 08:15 |
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| manchicken | If I were from the "dirty south," I'd be offended to have ESR counted among my ranks. | 08:16 |
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| manchicken | Sounds like Garth Brooks. heh | 08:16 |
| nixternal | lol | 08:16 |
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| nixternal | actually it is sawyer brown | 08:17 |
| manchicken | Ah. I've never been a big country fan. | 08:18 |
| manchicken | My mom on the other hand... | 08:18 |
| nixternal | heh | 08:18 |
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| Tm_T | Riddell: Sorry, I was talking about Linux in local communityhouse. | 09:09 |
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| _StefanS_ | hi there | 09:13 |
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| _StefanS_ | I just saw the new fglrx is out from amd... why the hell can't they figure out to add glx_from_pixmap so we can have composite enabled... jeeez | 09:17 |
| yuriy | they released a new driver wihout it? | 09:18 |
| _StefanS_ | yuriy: yes... quite remarkable | 09:18 |
| fdoving | we don't want composite, we want text consoles. we're linux geeks. | 09:18 |
| _StefanS_ | fdoving: yes,.. and pigs might eventually fly | 09:19 |
| _StefanS_ | If I could rip out this ati card and get an nvidia I would have done that long time ago | 09:20 |
| fdoving | flying pigs with ati/amd stickers all over the place. | 09:20 |
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| _StefanS_ | fdoving: yessir.. shitting bricks all over the place | 09:20 |
| _StefanS_ | fdoving: I'm just soo tired that they keep ignoring that, and dont keep up with competition | 09:21 |
| _StefanS_ | enough about that. | 09:21 |
| fdoving | open drivers is a nice thing. | 09:22 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: did you remember that question ? | 09:22 |
| Jucato | _StefanS_: hi! | 09:22 |
| Jucato | yes | 09:22 |
| _StefanS_ | fdoving: well yes, but money talks | 09:22 |
| fdoving | buy old hardware. :) | 09:22 |
| _StefanS_ | fdoving: well I might go back to my trusty old Texas instruments TI30 .. Its just not worth compiling on :D | 09:22 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: shoot | 09:23 |
| fdoving | my ati mobility 9200 works well with the old free ati driver. | 09:23 |
| _StefanS_ | fdoving: but also very slow. | 09:23 |
| fdoving | sure. | 09:24 |
| Jucato | _StefanS_: remember that my previous problem was that KDE can't see the widget Styles and windecos I compiled in /opt, but if I launch kcontrol from the command line, that kcontrol sees the style/windeco? | 09:24 |
| _StefanS_ | fdoving: you might consider crayons with that.. just to accelerate it a bit | 09:24 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: ah yep .. the path stuff | 09:24 |
| Jucato | that was solved by putting the path and kdedirs vars in .bash_profile right? | 09:24 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: yep | 09:24 |
| Jucato | well, I thought that was solved... but not entirely hehehe | 09:25 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: ow | 09:25 |
| fdoving | .bash_profile doesn't work well with kdm. | 09:25 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: soo whats next ? :) | 09:25 |
| Jucato | it does see the styles and windecos. but it doesn't see the Konversation I compiled from SVN | 09:25 |
| fdoving | i'd use /etc/environment if it's a global thing. | 09:25 |
| _StefanS_ | fdoving: well it isn't | 09:25 |
| Jucato | so when I launch konversation from the K Menu, or Alt+F2, it runs version 1.0.1 | 09:25 |
| Jucato | but if I launch from Konsole or from Kommando, it runs the SVN version | 09:26 |
| fdoving | then .xsession is a option. | 09:26 |
| fdoving | Jucato: that's because .bash_profile isn't hte correct place, kdm doesn't read that. the bash started by konsole does. | 09:26 |
| fdoving | so kde started from kdm is not aware of the new settings you provided in .bash_profile. | 09:27 |
| Jucato | fdoving: where would be the proper place for user specific changes to PATH and KDEDIRS? | 09:27 |
| fdoving | Jucato: for a user specific change, i'd use ~/.xsession | 09:27 |
| Jucato | fdoving: although it seems to be aware of it because it now sees the styles and windecos I compiled | 09:27 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: well it seems like fdoving know about that, than I do :) | 09:29 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: I don't have ops in any ubuntu channel except -classroom, sorry... doesn't mean I would deny them if someone offered them to me... : ) | 09:29 |
| Jucato | I'm waiting for more input :) | 09:29 |
| fdoving | Jucato: 'pstree | more' will give you an idea of where the settings from ~/.bash_profile is read. | 09:29 |
| fdoving | Jucato: every bash instance reads that file. it -can- be sourced by other scripts too, i'm not 100% sure where, though. | 09:30 |
| Jucato | fdoving, _StefanS_: this "issue" has been bugging me for a long time now, since the KDE instructions on building KDE relies on these env vars. and according to some devs, it works properly in Mandriva and Gentoo... | 09:30 |
| fdoving | Jucato: can this be set system-wide? | 09:31 |
| fdoving | Jucato: i'd recommend /etc/environment | 09:31 |
| Jucato | fdoving: no, it shouldn't (referring to building KDE from SVN on another user | 09:31 |
| fdoving | ah. | 09:32 |
| Jucato | I know there's probably a Kubuntu way of building KDE (from SVN?) using some chroot blackmagic, but I'm bothered that this other way doesn't work | 09:32 |
| fdoving | i'd try | 09:33 |
| fdoving | ~/.xsession | 09:33 |
| Jucato | fdoving: ok, I'll look into that. thanks | 09:33 |
| fdoving | how do you set this in .bash_profile ? | 09:33 |
| Jucato | export PATH=/opt/bin:$PATH | 09:34 |
| Jucato | export KDEDIRS=/opt:$KDEDIRS | 09:34 |
| Jucato | actually, iirc, the KDE guides says to put those env vars in .bashrc | 09:34 |
| fdoving | i think you might consider using .bashrc for this. | 09:35 |
| Jucato | fdoving: yeah I did.well anyway, here's the complete view :) | 09:35 |
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| fdoving | Jucato: did you try .bashrc ? | 09:35 |
| fdoving | .bash_profile is only read when bash is started as a login-shell. | 09:36 |
| Jucato | I compile KDE stuff (programs from SVN, styles, windecos) in /opt. when I put those 2 env vars in .bashrc, KDE doesn't see the styles or windecos, or runs the correct Konvi version. but launching kcontrol or konvi from the command line does | 09:36 |
| Jucato | as per _StefanS_'s suggsetions, I move the env vars to .bash_profile. the styles and windecos now get detected. but KDE still launches the default installed version (1.0.1), unless I launch from Konsole or Kommando | 09:37 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: have you tried modifying the order of the PATH entries ? | 09:38 |
| fdoving | Jucato: alt-f2 : xterm -e 'printenv|less' | 09:38 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: maybe you should have /opt/kde/bin first | 09:38 |
| Jucato | _StefanS_: yes I do have it first | 09:39 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: oka | 09:39 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: I was just thinking | 09:39 |
| Jucato | fdoving: everything looks normal here | 09:40 |
| fdoving | probably just because that command is useless, xterm uses bash to do this. | 09:40 |
| Jucato | :) | 09:41 |
| Jucato | one day... one day, I'll figure this out... | 09:41 |
| Jucato | :( | 09:41 |
| Jucato | ok, I just smiled and frowned in a span of 0.5 secs... | 09:41 |
| fdoving | Jucato: i think kde uses 'sh' (dash) to execute it's commands. | 09:47 |
| fdoving | so .profile might work. | 09:47 |
| Jucato | ah | 09:48 |
| fdoving | kdesktopshxtermdashpstree | 09:48 |
| fdoving | looks like that's what happens. | 09:48 |
| Jucato | hm... iirc someone mentioned that the dash/bash thing might be a cause | 09:48 |
| Jucato | fdoving: thanks! I'll look into that after going to bed :) | 09:49 |
| Jucato | 05:00 here and I haven't slept yet... for some reason... | 09:49 |
| fdoving | go to bed now! | 09:49 |
| Jucato | hehe | 09:50 |
| Jucato | would it be ok if I ping you sometime if this doesn't work? | 09:50 |
| fdoving | sure. | 09:50 |
| Jucato | thanks | 09:50 |
| Jucato | hm.. so basically, I remove the env vars from .bash_profile and put them in .profile? (just to test first) | 09:51 |
| fdoving | looks like the default /etc/profile defaults to read ~/.bashrc if it exists. so.. i don't understand why that didn't work for you. | 09:51 |
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| fdoving | Jucato: yes. | 09:51 |
| Jucato | I'll try again. if .profile doesn't work, then .bashrc again... | 09:52 |
| Jucato | ok, heading for bed :) | 09:52 |
| fdoving | nite. | 09:52 |
| Jucato | or, good morning lol | 09:53 |
| Jucato | thanks fdoving. you too _StefanS_ :) | 09:53 |
| _StefanS_ | no prob :) | 09:53 |
| fdoving | Jucato: see /usr/bin/startkde line ~165 | 09:58 |
| fdoving | looks like you want your stuff in ~/.kde/env/env.sh or something. | 09:59 |
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