[12:24] <Tonio_> mhb: is there a launchpad bug according to kdesktop ?
[12:25] <mhb> Tonio_: indeed, bug 78318
[12:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78318 in kdebase "Screensaver unlock dialog ignores translation" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78318
[12:26] <Tonio_> mhb: okay nice
[12:27] <Tonio_> mhb: you can put fix-released, the packages are now built
[12:27] <mhb> Tonio_: great, thanks again
[12:28] <Tonio_> mhb: you're welcome :)
[01:05] <manchicken> MASSIVE amounts of updates since I last logged on.
[01:06] <allee> hmm, for digikam any prefered kubuntu e-mail address to use in maintainer instead of Ubuntu Core Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com> ?
[01:06] <Tonio_> allee: put yours :)
[01:06] <allee> Tonio_: okay
[01:07] <allee> Tonio_: but I really dislike being forced to use @ubuntu.com and not @kubuntu.org ;)
[01:08] <Tonio_> allee: doesn't manage kubuntu.org ?
[01:08] <allee> However, if a particular package deserves a more specific contact,
[01:08] <allee> then it is encouraged to use a personal or team mailing list contact
[01:08] <allee> (however, it must be an @ubuntu.com address).
[01:09] <allee> ^^ so I assume yes I am
[01:09] <Tonio_> hehe, yes you are :)
[01:10] <ajmitch> allee: kubuntu.org should work fine
[01:10] <Tonio_> manchicken: yup lots of updates today...
[01:10] <Tonio_> allee: I fixed kdesktop translations :)
[01:10] <Tonio_> hi ajmitch
[01:10] <ajmitch> allee: dpkg-source just appears to be searching for the string 'ubuntu' in the Maintainer field
[01:10] <ajmitch> hello Tonio_
[01:11] <allee> Tonio_: what was reason?
[01:11] <allee> for the missed translations
[01:11] <Tonio_> allee: riddell patched kde not to load desktops mo files all the time
[01:12] <Tonio_> allee: the patch was "if catalog name contains desktop no not load" ;)
[01:12] <Tonio_> kdesktop.mo couldn't be loaded :)
[01:12] <Tonio_> and kio.mo too
[01:12] <allee> Tonio_: heh, how did you feel after you found it? ;)
[01:13] <Tonio_> allee: HAPPY !
[01:13] <allee> :)
[01:13] <Tonio_> allee: the point is that it was really hidden, since that patch idn't touch kdesktop at all...
[01:13] <Tonio_> I found it be chance in fact, after 2 days of incomprehension :)
[01:16] <mhb> yeah it was really hidden
[01:34] <allee> Please try: digikam 0.9.1~rc1 (for main) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4430    [need libkexiv2: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4421 is in new queue] 
[01:34] <allee> I've forgotten to iconv -f 8859_1 -t utf8 README.Debian.  Fixed in alioth repo so will be in digikam 0.9.0 final pkg
[01:37] <manchicken> There seems to be a problem with the new debconf.
[01:38] <manchicken> I'm guessing /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104 (thought that's just the warning).
[01:38] <Hobbsee> oh?
[01:38] <manchicken> Yeah, it pops up a dialog saying that there's an invalid nice value.
[01:38] <manchicken> I wonder if that's because it's currently upgrading.
[01:39] <manchicken> I suppose I'll try an update again in a minute and see if it's still a problem.
[01:39] <manchicken> I'm a Perler, so if I see something I'll try to triage it.
[01:40] <manchicken> Yup.  Happened again.
[01:40] <Hobbsee> ah yes, there have been bugs reported about that, iirc
[01:42] <manchicken> Is there a workaround?
[01:43] <Hobbsee> dunno, to be honest
[01:43] <Hobbsee> havent been following
[01:43] <manchicken> That's cool.
[01:43] <manchicken> Makes me wish I'd stuck with feisty sometimes ^_^
[01:44] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:44] <manchicken> Yeah, I can't use adept_updater...
[01:44] <Hobbsee> why didnt you?
[01:44] <manchicken> err, edgy
[01:44] <Hobbsee> ahh
[02:11] <yuriy> strange. bug 48500 sounds like a media:/ patch bug, but it's on dapper
[02:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48500 in kdebase "In Kubuntu Dapper KDE 3.5.3 - device icons disappearing" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/48500
[02:22] <manchicken> apt-get upgrade works where adept isn't.
[03:18] <ryanakca> dunno if it's already done, but if not, an idea for the future: an app that transfers settings between an old and new comp
[03:26] <manchicken> Gotta get my development environment back.
[03:28] <Jucato> manchicken: why? what happened?
[03:29] <manchicken> Way out of date.
[03:30] <manchicken> I haven't touched it in a while.
[03:30] <Jucato> oh :)
[03:30] <Jucato> at least you have a dev env.. :)
[03:31] <manchicken> It's pretty easy to set up a chroot.
[03:31] <Jucato> yeah, I'll get to that part soonish... :)
[03:33] <nixternal> oi oi
[03:34] <Jucato> moin nixternal
[03:36] <yuriy> ryanacka: i thought something like that is in for ubuntu feisty
[03:36] <yuriy> ryanacka: migration assistant or something like that?
[03:36] <nixternal> man, about 2 hours ago I took about 50 D C C attemps
[03:36] <nixternal> I am guessing a bot came in, grabbed a list of names and went to town
[03:37] <nixternal> so I try contacting freenode staff and, well just like a cashier at KMart, they were about useless
[03:38] <yuriy> i'm just making typos/spelling mistakes everywhere today
[03:38] <jdong> nixternal: paper or plastic?
[03:38] <jdong> nixternal: would you like your milk in a bag?
[03:38] <jdong> nixternal: how about your orange juice?
[03:39] <jdong> OMG at Krogers I had someone ask if I wanted milk in a bag... I said yes
[03:39] <jdong> and then he asked paper or plastic
[03:39] <jdong> I just stared blankly at him
[03:39] <nixternal> Krogers people, well I will leave that one alone
[03:39] <nixternal> thank god we don't have Kroger in Chicago
[03:39] <nixternal> when I stayed in hotlanta it seemed they packed milk with either bread or eggs
[03:41] <jdong> lol
[03:41] <jdong> I've had that happen to me at meijers
[03:41] <jdong> I just replied back 'you know, you usually scramble eggs WHILE you cook them.'
[03:42] <jdong> I'm a pretty sarcastic person :P
[03:42] <nixternal> jdong: wth do you live?
[03:42] <nixternal> I love meijers, especially since KDE fixed konqi so I can shop online again :)
[03:42] <jdong> Metro Detroit....
[03:42] <jdong> at least used to :)
[03:43] <nixternal> ahh, damn you are close :)
[03:43] <jdong> now I live overlooking an egg factory.
[03:43] <jdong> in Cambridge, MA
[03:43] <nixternal> ahhh
[03:43] <nixternal> met any of the old brahman clans out there?
[03:43] <jdong> not yet... :)
[03:44] <nixternal> brahmans are super cool. they act like they are in the UK and totally are't expected, especially around Boston
[03:44] <nixternal> no pahk the cah in the fwont yahd
[03:44] <jdong> lol
[03:45] <jdong> the boston accent is getting on my nerves though :D
[03:45] <jdong> I had to ask a MIT cop the other day for directions and I had to ask the poor guy to repeat himself like 4 times
[03:45] <jdong> and he was getting impatient near the end too :)
[03:45] <nixternal> haha
[03:45] <nixternal> wth are the "r"s
[03:46] <nixternal> my best bud lives in Brokton, and I make fun of him everytime he calls
[03:46] <yuriy> hey jdong were you at ubucon?
[03:46] <jdong> yuriy: nope :(
[03:46] <jdong> nixternal: lol :)
[03:46] <yuriy> ah. are you on the loco team?
[03:46] <jdong> no...
[03:46] <nixternal> anyone near Fort Wayne Indiana?
[03:46] <yuriy> j/w
[03:47] <ryanakca> Myrtle Beach, South Carolina? (or is it NC? )
[03:47] <nixternal> I have been asked to come back and do a set of Open source and community lectures at Perdue, but school is preventing me from doing so
[03:47] <manchicken> Okay, so with pbuilder, you build, then what?  Does it then make a .deb somewhere or do you use pbuilder to install?
[03:47] <ryanakca> it makes a .deb... then dpkg -i file.deb
[03:47] <nixternal> manchicken: want to go out to Perdue in Fort Wayne and talk Freedom?
[03:47] <nixternal> pbuilder-feisty build *.dsc
[03:47] <nixternal> it will make a .deb and put it in /var/cache/pbuilder/feisty/results
[03:48] <nixternal> if you setup your pbuilders the way the wiki shows
[03:48] <manchicken> Do I then just install that .deb?
[03:48] <ryanakca> yeah
[03:48] <nixternal> manchicken: you can yes
[03:48] <nixternal> that's what I do
[03:49] <ryanakca> hmm...
[03:49] <manchicken> nixternal: How much does that cost?  When is it?
[03:49] <manchicken> I'm moving and switching jobs here soon.
[03:50] <ryanakca> anybody a Hard Drive genius here? (I have a wonderful dilemma with this brand new comp I have)
[03:50] <ryanakca> jdong: lol
[03:50] <jdong> the first thing I'm gonna do when I visit home for spring break is hop into my SUV and floor it
[03:50] <jdong> in other words, get a few tickets
[03:50] <ryanakca> jdong: auto kaput ?
[03:50] <ryanakca> lol
[03:50] <ryanakca> jdong: sounds fun...
[03:51] <nixternal> manchicken: you decide when it is, and they will pay for your travel and 1 night if you would like
[03:51] <jdong> but apparently daddy wrecked my  5.7L grand cherokee :(
[03:51] <nixternal> Mon-Thu is best
[03:51] <jdong> spun out on snowy highway
[03:51] <jdong> "my" being used in the greedy possessive case.
[03:52] <ryanakca> jdong: ouch... lol
[03:52] <manchicken> nixternal: This mon-thu?
[03:52] <jdong> on the bright side now my insurance company is replacing the chasis! yay!
[03:53] <ryanakca> yay!
[03:56] <nixternal> manchicken: no, next week, 2 weeks, next month
[03:56] <nixternal> whenever you could do it
[03:57] <manchicken> Who is "they?"
[03:57] <nixternal> this professor is wanting an Ubuntu community type talk, "both on its own, and as an example of the creation of an open source community" quoting the professor
[03:57] <manchicken> And would "they" cover my wife as well?
[03:57] <nixternal> Perdue University
[03:57] <nixternal> manchicken: probably not
[03:59] <manchicken> I just switched jobs, I'll have to see if I can work it in.
[04:00] <manchicken> If they wanted to fly/whatever me out on Sunday, talk Monday, fly/whatever home that evening, I could do April 16th.
[04:01] <nixternal> hey, will someone tell the GNOME people that Freespire and Linspire will ship with KDE like they have since day 1 :)
[04:02] <manchicken> nixternal: They'll have to give a happy-fun disclaimer if I talk though.
[04:03] <manchicken> I think my views on Free software are a bit more radical than Canonical and Ubuntu in general.
[04:03] <manchicken> ^_^
[04:03] <Jucato> they definitely are :)
[04:04] <Jucato> aw... and I just got these clothes washed
[04:04] <manchicken> Sucks to be you.
[04:04] <Jucato> :D
[04:04] <manchicken> Though I'm a hypocrite like everybody else.  heh
[04:05] <Gerald> hey
[04:05] <manchicken> straw
[06:20] <fearl> Hello, I was directed here from #kubuntu ... where are kcontrol modules listing specs located? I have two GTK Styles and Fonts entries, I'd like to remove one....
[06:20] <fearl> I installed gtk2-engines-gtk-qt by mistake, and purged it, but its entry isn't gone
[09:47] <_StefanS_> mornings
[09:51] <Jucato> hi _StefanS_
[09:51] <Jucato> I've been meaning to ask you something, just forgot what...
[09:55] <_StefanS_> hey
[09:56] <_StefanS_> Jucato: you will eventually get your mind in gear I think
[09:56] <Jucato> eventually... I've been trying to for a week now :D
[10:48] <lucascle> Hi guys!
[10:49] <Tonio_> hi lucascle
[10:49] <lucascle> On your wiki page you said, you needed some programmers for various utilities. Could anybody specify some possibilities?
[10:56] <lucascle> hey?
[10:57] <lucascle> I would like to help in programming, but what type of programms does kubuntu need?
[10:59] <Riddell> lucascle: do you know python or c++?
[10:59] <lucascle> c++
[11:00] <Riddell> there's actually less stuff to do in c++
[11:00] <lucascle> and in phyton?
[11:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: updated kdenetwork for kopete variant activation
[11:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: currently upgrading kds
[11:01] <Tonio_> lucascle: I would suggest a kobby !
[11:01] <Tonio_> oups no not gobby.....
[11:01] <GNUro> Hello!
[11:01] <Tonio_> hi GNUro
[11:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is the gnome tool to install deb packages ?
[11:02] <Riddell> in python we havn't found anyone to do the qt port of onboard the on screen keyboard
[11:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: gdebi
[11:02] <GNUro> Hello Tonio_ :)
[11:02] <Tonio_> kdebi would be nice too ;)
[11:02] <Riddell> it's python too, would be cool to have a kde version, but please lets not call it kdebi
[11:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: aren't there apps like this already ?
[11:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: like what?
[11:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah that was just to demonstrate ;)
[11:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've seen this already let me find...
[11:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=39416
[11:04] <Tonio_> klavier :)
[11:04] <Tonio_> clavier = french = keyboard
[11:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: UI can be improved, but the base is there :)
[11:05] <Riddell> you could say the same about onboard :)
[11:05] <Riddell> needs packaging but
[11:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: interested in a package ?
[11:06] <Riddell> sure
[11:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: will do in a moment, uploading kds first ;)
[11:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: we should patch the "windows" key ;)
[11:06] <Tonio_> that's ugly
[11:07] <Riddell> make it a kubuntu key
[11:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure
[11:08] <lucascle> so, what other applications are there?
[11:09] <lucascle> todo?
[11:12] <lucascle> btw: what is the launchpad name of kubuntu?
[11:14] <Tonio_> lucascle: pykde frontend for gdebi
[11:14] <lucascle> ok, i'll think over it.
[11:14] <lucascle> gdebi is in the package sources?
[11:15] <Tonio_> lucascle: sure
[11:15] <Tonio_> lucascle: it is an app to install .deb file manually with dependancies etc...
[11:15] <Riddell> there's no launchpad name for kubuntu, it's just the same as ubuntu
[11:17] <lucascle> ok I'll overwork that. @tonio_: I know gdebi.
[11:18] <Tonio_> lucascle: okay :)
[11:18] <lucascle> btw: SHould i do that for feisty or for edgy?
[11:19] <Riddell> lucascle: it can only be done for feisty, konsole doesn't have the necessary patches in edgy
[11:19] <lucascle> okay, then just for feisty
[11:19] <Riddell> the source is at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/+branch/gdebi/ubuntu
[11:20] <lucascle> thaks!
[11:20] <Riddell> bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/gdebi/ubuntu
[11:24] <lucascle> bye!
[12:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: good news :) would be nice to have gdebi for kde :)
[12:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: just finished packaging klavier fyi
[12:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: throw it up on revu?
[12:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: testing the build first :)
[12:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll post you the revu URL when done
[01:17] <Riddell> highvoltage: it actually would be possible to get it into universe before the freeze, it's not hard to branch the seeds and make a new meta-package
[01:18] <highvoltage> Riddell: great!
[01:18] <Riddell> highvoltage: have you looked at the seeds before?
[01:19] <highvoltage> Riddell: not at the Kubuntu seeds, only at the Xubuntu and Edubuntu seeds so far
[01:19] <Riddell> highvoltage: I'd recommend doing a bzr branch on the edubuntu seed and taking out all the gnome stuff and replacing with kde
[01:20] <Riddell> then push to launchpad under the ubuntu-dev user
[01:20] <highvoltage> Riddell: ok, that sounds good, I'll make a note of it and take that approach.
[01:20] <highvoltage> ubuntu-dev user? would I have access to that?
[01:20] <Riddell> highvoltage: are you a MOTU?
[01:21] <highvoltage> Riddell: no, but it's probably time I go through the MOTU prosess, I've been too busy until recently and lately there's more and more stuff I want to get in
[01:22] <Riddell> well just push it as your user then
[01:22] <highvoltage> Riddell: I'm going to get started on this during the weekend, I'll ping this channel if I get stuck with kde-specific stuff. Are you usually around during weekends too?
[01:23] <Riddell> yes, I should be
[01:23] <highvoltage> cool, I have some people hovering around my desk asking for stuff, will talk about it again this weekend
[01:23] <highvoltage> Riddell: also, are you going to debconf this year?
[01:24] <Riddell> highvoltage: I'll be around
[02:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: kla
[02:41] <Tonio_> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4433
[02:41] <Tonio_> sorry ;)
[02:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: no kubuntu icon since it uses a kde icon by default in fact
[03:01] <manchicken> _StefanS_: You have that TT #?  I think your message washed up with the spam.
[03:01] <_StefanS_> manchicken: yes, two secs..
[03:01] <_StefanS_> CC916166515DK
[03:01] <_StefanS_> www.pannordic.com
[03:02] <manchicken> Danke.
[03:02] <_StefanS_> manchicken: I aint german ;) - I think it will be shipped with your regular post - not ups or anything the like
[03:02] <manchicken> _StefanS_: Sorry, but that's as close as I'll ever get to most of the native languages in Europe.
[03:02] <manchicken> So many languages.
[03:03] <_StefanS_> manchicken: is that FedEx ? - or is that privately held ?
[03:03] <_StefanS_> manchicken: 'Tak' means thanks :)
[03:03] <manchicken> Ah.
[03:03] <manchicken> Regular Post would be the "United States Postal Service."
[03:03] <manchicken> Ironically enough that's technically a private company.
[03:04] <manchicken> With more government subsidy than you can shake a stick at.
[03:04] <sebas> http://www.vandenoever.info/software/strigi/k.png This is surely a little bit Magritte-style
[03:05] <manchicken> Okay, time to go sit in an 8 hour meeting.  So much meeting... so little beer.
[03:05] <manchicken> Later all.
[03:06] <manchicken> OOH!  Something fixed the logout screen.  Very nice.
[04:05] <Riddell> elcuco_: the kdesktop i18n bug should be fixed now
[04:05] <elcuco> stupid network on my stupid college....
[04:05] <Riddell> how random, someone just send me a 6MB e-mail thanking me for ubuntu and attaching this tune http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/sinhala-sri-lanka.mp3
[04:06] <elcuco> Riddell: what was the problem?
[04:06] <Riddell> elcuco: me
[04:07] <Riddell> a patch that stopped translation files named *desktop* being loaded properly
[04:07] <elcuco> yes, i read your blog. i am just corious to see the code :)
[04:08] <bddebian> Heya
[04:17] <Riddell> elcuco: if (mainCatalogue.contains("desktop") == 0) {
[04:46] <mhb> good afternoon
[04:48] <fdoving> hi mhb.
[04:48] <abattoir> hi mhb :)
[04:48] <Jucato> hi mhb ^_^
[04:48] <Jucato> (that's a variety of greetings)
[04:52] <mhb> well, it's better than nothing :o)
[04:53] <mhb> sometimes nobody finds the time to greet you and that's worse, I guess ... anyway, back to topic - what's cooking?
[04:54] <bddebian> Hi mhb, fdoving, abattoir, Jucato! ;-)
[04:54] <Jucato> hehe hi bddebian! :)
[04:54] <abattoir> hi bddebian :)
[04:54] <fdoving> hi bddebian.
[04:54] <Jucato> lol
[04:55] <mhb> good afternoon bddebian
[04:55] <Jucato> hm... can anyone confirm this on the Edgy Desktop CD: Step 6 of 6: when Ubiquity tells you where it will install GRUB, and what partitions will be formatted, the location where you can install GRUB (hd0) is a hyperlink. clicking on it will bring up a dialog box, asking you for a location to install GRUB to
[04:57] <Riddell> Jucato: in edgy yes
[04:57] <Jucato> ooh... so we've had that feature already and nobody (or almost nobody) knew about it? :O
[07:15] <rouzic> Hi
[07:17] <rouzic> Riddell: I have a problem of dependences on having installed the package kde-devel in Edgy
[07:19] <Riddell> rouzic: what's that?
[07:20] <rouzic> I have tried to install the package kde-devel in Edgy and it(he,she) me generates dependences with the packages kdebase-dev (> = 4:3.4.3)
[07:21] <Riddell> hmm, it's broken in feisty too
[07:22] <rouzic> There is some way of installing this metapaquete?
[07:22] <rouzic> package*
[07:22] <Riddell> rouzic: what are you trying to do?
[07:22] <Riddell> apt-get build-dep kdebase  will work just as well
[07:22] <rouzic> install the kde-devel package
[07:23] <Riddell> but why?
[07:24] <rouzic> Because I need to install it
[07:25] <Riddell> you don't ever /need/ to install a meta package
[07:26] <Riddell> as I say, apt-get build-dep kdebase  will do
[07:27] <rouzic> thanks Riddell
[07:33] <Riddell> ooh, just got my first apport bug report
[07:34] <nixternal> Riddell: what can I do to get an apport crash? :)
[07:35] <nixternal> that is for any app that isn't KDE based?
[07:35] <Riddell> nixternal: crash a non kde app (with latest adept-notifier running and apport-qt installed)
[07:35] <Riddell> yes
[07:35] <Riddell> bash
[07:35] <Riddell> kill -SEGV $$
[07:35] <Riddell> that does it
[07:35] <nixternal> ahh
[07:45] <nixternal> I just crashed firefox, and ran kill -SEGV pid, was I supposed to get anything else after that?
[07:48] <Riddell> it crashed then you ran kill or you ran kill to crash it?
[07:48] <Riddell> firefox may have its own crash handler, I'm not sure, what's in /var/crash ?
[07:49] <Riddell> ryanakca, Tm_T: kickban needed in #kubuntu
[07:49] <Riddell> nixternal: you an op there?
[07:49] <nixternal> nope
[07:49] <nixternal> Riddell: it crashed on its own
[07:50] <Riddell> then you don't need to crash it again :)
[07:50] <nixternal> nothing in /var/crash
[07:51] <Riddell> thanks fdoving
[07:51] <nixternal> let me try another app
[07:51] <fdoving> :)
[07:51] <nixternal> how do I get to become an OP over there and have fun like that :)
[07:53] <Riddell> nixternal: ask me
[07:54] <nixternal> ahh that easy :)
[07:54] <nixternal> hrmm, Gnome hearts used to crash, but I guess they fixed it
[07:54] <nixternal> now I am trying to crash everything
[07:54] <nixternal> lol
[07:55] <Riddell> just use kill
[07:55] <Riddell> -SEGV
[07:55] <nixternal> woohoo, cool!
[07:55] <Riddell> what happened?
[07:56] <nixternal> it crashed :)
[07:56] <Riddell> and...?
[07:56] <nixternal> went to lp to file a bug
[07:56] <nixternal> I didn't follow through though and report the bug
[07:56] <Riddell> apport popped up?
[07:56] <nixternal> yes
[07:56] <Riddell> groovy
[07:56] <nixternal> i did the send to devs
[07:56] <nixternal> but canceled out instead of sending a bogus report
[07:57] <nixternal> well Riddell, if more help is needed in #kubuntu I am willing to help out OP wise, I am on the op teams already
[08:00] <seele> http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/02/21/1340237
[08:00] <seele> ouch, hehe
[08:00] <nixternal> heh, he is having a rough week
[08:01] <Riddell> but there's no need for him to take it out on us
[08:03] <nixternal> Riddell: what did ESR take out on us? did I miss something?
[08:04] <Riddell> he switched to Ubuntu!  now he'll troll about us.  at least he hasn't switched to KDE
[08:05] <Riddell> Linus is bad enough :)
[08:05] <nixternal> haha
[08:05] <nixternal> true
[08:05] <nixternal> I love Linus though, he is persistant and humorous at the same time
[08:06] <nixternal> at least Linus is productive, I mean he patched metacity :)
[08:06] <marseillai_> who is ESR exactly! every one speaks about him but i've never heard anything about him before
[08:07] <nixternal> man, yesterday I was showing of Kubuntu Feisty running Beryl, and everyone in my class is like who, Vista and Mac killer. I wasn't expecting that from a bunch of myspace junkies
[08:07] <Riddell> someone who wrote something interesting once
[08:07] <nixternal> lol
[08:07] <nixternal> a long time ago
[08:07] <Riddell> marseillai_: author of the cathedral and the bazaar.  also one of the founders of the open sauce inititive
[08:08] <Riddell> seems himself as the business friendly RMS
[08:08] <marseillai_> oki! i thought i was a developper
[08:08] <marseillai_> *it
[08:08] <nixternal> wow, it was only 8 years ago he wrote revenge
[08:09] <marseillai_> so one more person on ubuntu! but him or someone else is exactly the same
[08:09] <nixternal> he is in love with himself no doubt
[08:09] <nixternal> Today I'm one of the half-dozen or so most influential people in that movement; in fact, a lot of people would put me among the top three, with Linus Torvalds and Richard M. Stallman
[08:10] <nixternal> oh wow, he is really full of himself. Riddell make sure you .*@his_domain* on the kubuntu-* lists :)
[08:10] <Riddell> he's also the worst possible stereotype of an American
[08:10] <marseillai_> lol
[08:10] <marseillai_> love this one Riddell ! :D
[08:12] <nixternal> haha Riddell, that is sadly so true
[08:12] <nixternal> Riddell: what we would call him here in America is "white trash"
[08:12] <nixternal> or at least that is what they called him at a UIC event years back during a talk he "tried" to give
[08:12] <Riddell> sounds a bit racist
[08:13] <manchicken> And he's a hypocrite for hire.
[08:13] <nixternal> haha yes
[08:13] <nixternal> manchicken: did you ever see him give a talk at UIC back about 5 or so years ago?
[08:13] <manchicken> Nope.
[08:13] <manchicken> I would be more likely to protest outside his talks.
[08:15] <nixternal> haha, Riddell "white trash" would be racist depending on where it came from I guess
[08:15] <nixternal> my motto is "I ain't white trash, but I ain't high class"  <- manchicken you hillbilly, what song did that come from?
[08:16] <manchicken> If I were from the "dirty south," I'd be offended to have ESR counted among my ranks.
[08:16] <manchicken> Sounds like Garth Brooks.  heh
[08:16] <nixternal> lol
[08:17] <nixternal> actually it is sawyer brown
[08:18] <manchicken> Ah.  I've never been a big country fan.
[08:18] <manchicken> My mom on the other hand...
[08:18] <nixternal> heh
[09:09] <Tm_T> Riddell: Sorry, I was talking about Linux in local communityhouse.
[09:13] <_StefanS_> hi there
[09:17] <_StefanS_> I just saw the new fglrx is out from amd... why the hell can't they figure out to add glx_from_pixmap so we can have composite enabled... jeeez
[09:18] <yuriy> they released a new driver wihout it?
[09:18] <_StefanS_> yuriy: yes... quite remarkable
[09:18] <fdoving> we don't want composite, we want text consoles. we're linux geeks.
[09:19] <_StefanS_> fdoving: yes,.. and pigs might eventually fly
[09:20] <_StefanS_> If I could rip out this ati card and get an nvidia I would have done that long time ago
[09:20] <fdoving> flying pigs with ati/amd stickers all over the place.
[09:20] <_StefanS_> fdoving: yessir.. shitting bricks all over the place
[09:21] <_StefanS_> fdoving: I'm just soo tired that they keep ignoring that, and dont keep up with competition
[09:21] <_StefanS_> enough about that.
[09:22] <fdoving> open drivers is a nice thing.
[09:22] <_StefanS_> Jucato: did you remember that question ?
[09:22] <Jucato> _StefanS_: hi!
[09:22] <Jucato> yes
[09:22] <_StefanS_> fdoving: well yes, but money talks
[09:22] <fdoving> buy old hardware. :)
[09:22] <_StefanS_> fdoving: well I might go back to my trusty old Texas instruments TI30  .. Its just not worth compiling on :D
[09:23] <_StefanS_> Jucato: shoot
[09:23] <fdoving> my ati mobility 9200 works well with the old free ati driver.
[09:23] <_StefanS_> fdoving: but also very slow.
[09:24] <fdoving> sure.
[09:24] <Jucato> _StefanS_: remember that my previous problem was that KDE can't see the widget Styles and windecos I compiled in /opt, but if I launch kcontrol from the command line, that kcontrol sees the style/windeco?
[09:24] <_StefanS_> fdoving: you might consider crayons with that.. just to accelerate it a bit
[09:24] <_StefanS_> Jucato: ah yep .. the path stuff
[09:24] <Jucato> that was solved by putting the path and kdedirs vars in .bash_profile right?
[09:24] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yep
[09:25] <Jucato> well, I thought that was solved... but not entirely hehehe
[09:25] <_StefanS_> Jucato: ow
[09:25] <fdoving> .bash_profile doesn't work well with kdm.
[09:25] <_StefanS_> Jucato: soo whats next ? :)
[09:25] <Jucato> it does see the styles and windecos. but it doesn't see the Konversation I compiled from SVN
[09:25] <fdoving> i'd use /etc/environment if it's a global thing.
[09:25] <_StefanS_> fdoving: well it isn't
[09:25] <Jucato> so when I launch konversation from the K Menu, or Alt+F2, it runs version 1.0.1
[09:26] <Jucato> but if I launch from Konsole or from Kommando, it runs the SVN version
[09:26] <fdoving> then .xsession is a option.
[09:26] <fdoving> Jucato: that's because .bash_profile isn't hte correct place, kdm doesn't read that. the bash started by konsole does.
[09:27] <fdoving> so kde started from kdm is not aware of the new settings you provided in .bash_profile.
[09:27] <Jucato> fdoving: where would be the proper place for user specific changes to PATH and KDEDIRS?
[09:27] <fdoving> Jucato: for a user specific change, i'd use ~/.xsession
[09:27] <Jucato> fdoving: although it seems to be aware of it because it now sees the styles and windecos I compiled
[09:29] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well it seems like fdoving know about that, than I do :)
[09:29] <ryanakca> Riddell: I don't have ops in any ubuntu channel except -classroom, sorry... doesn't mean I would deny them if someone offered them to me... : )
[09:29] <Jucato> I'm waiting for more input :)
[09:29] <fdoving> Jucato: 'pstree | more' will give you an idea of where the settings from ~/.bash_profile is read.
[09:30] <fdoving> Jucato: every bash instance reads that file. it -can- be sourced by other scripts too, i'm not 100% sure where, though.
[09:30] <Jucato> fdoving, _StefanS_: this "issue" has been bugging me for a long time now, since the KDE instructions on building KDE relies on these env vars. and according to some devs, it works properly in Mandriva and Gentoo...
[09:31] <fdoving> Jucato: can this be set system-wide?
[09:31] <fdoving> Jucato: i'd recommend /etc/environment
[09:31] <Jucato> fdoving: no, it shouldn't (referring to building KDE from SVN on another user
[09:32] <fdoving> ah.
[09:32] <Jucato> I know there's probably a Kubuntu way of building KDE (from SVN?) using some chroot blackmagic, but I'm bothered that this other way doesn't work
[09:33] <fdoving> i'd try
[09:33] <fdoving> ~/.xsession
[09:33] <Jucato> fdoving: ok, I'll look into that. thanks
[09:33] <fdoving> how do you set this in .bash_profile ?
[09:34] <Jucato> export PATH=/opt/bin:$PATH
[09:34] <Jucato> export KDEDIRS=/opt:$KDEDIRS
[09:34] <Jucato> actually, iirc, the KDE guides says to put those env vars in .bashrc
[09:35] <fdoving> i think you might consider using .bashrc for this.
[09:35] <Jucato> fdoving: yeah I did.well anyway, here's the complete view :)
[09:35] <fdoving> Jucato: did you try .bashrc ?
[09:36] <fdoving> .bash_profile is only read when bash is started as a login-shell.
[09:36] <Jucato> I compile KDE stuff (programs from SVN, styles, windecos) in /opt. when I put those 2 env vars in .bashrc,  KDE doesn't see the styles or windecos, or runs the correct Konvi version. but launching kcontrol or konvi from the command line does
[09:37] <Jucato> as per _StefanS_'s suggsetions, I move the env vars to .bash_profile. the styles and windecos now get detected. but KDE still launches the default installed version (1.0.1), unless I launch from Konsole or Kommando
[09:38] <_StefanS_> Jucato: have you tried modifying the order of the PATH entries ?
[09:38] <fdoving> Jucato: alt-f2 : xterm -e 'printenv|less'
[09:38] <_StefanS_> Jucato: maybe you should have /opt/kde/bin first
[09:39] <Jucato> _StefanS_: yes I do have it first
[09:39] <_StefanS_> Jucato: oka
[09:39] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I was just thinking
[09:40] <Jucato> fdoving: everything looks normal here
[09:40] <fdoving> probably just because that command is useless, xterm uses bash to do this.
[09:41] <Jucato> :)
[09:41] <Jucato> one day... one day, I'll figure this out...
[09:41] <Jucato> :(
[09:41] <Jucato> ok, I just smiled and frowned in a span of 0.5 secs...
[09:47] <fdoving> Jucato: i think kde uses 'sh' (dash) to execute it's commands.
[09:47] <fdoving> so .profile might work.
[09:48] <Jucato> ah
[09:48] <fdoving>      kdesktopshxtermdashpstree
[09:48] <fdoving> looks like that's what happens.
[09:48] <Jucato> hm... iirc someone mentioned that the dash/bash thing might be a cause
[09:49] <Jucato> fdoving: thanks! I'll look into that after going to bed :)
[09:49] <Jucato> 05:00 here and I haven't slept yet... for some reason...
[09:49] <fdoving> go to bed now!
[09:50] <Jucato> hehe
[09:50] <Jucato> would it be ok if I ping you sometime if this doesn't work?
[09:50] <fdoving> sure.
[09:50] <Jucato> thanks
[09:51] <Jucato> hm.. so basically, I remove the env vars from .bash_profile and put them in .profile? (just to test first)
[09:51] <fdoving> looks like the default /etc/profile defaults to read ~/.bashrc if it exists. so.. i don't understand why that didn't work for you.
[09:51] <fdoving> Jucato: yes.
[09:52] <Jucato> I'll try again. if .profile doesn't work, then .bashrc again...
[09:52] <Jucato> ok, heading for bed :)
[09:52] <fdoving> nite.
[09:53] <Jucato> or, good morning lol
[09:53] <Jucato> thanks fdoving. you too _StefanS_ :)
[09:53] <_StefanS_> no prob :)
[09:58] <fdoving> Jucato: see /usr/bin/startkde line ~165
[09:59] <fdoving> looks like you want your stuff in ~/.kde/env/env.sh or something.