[12:14] <Wolfe> grr... i have this problem with not seeing things in front of my face... and i cant see the alt
[12:14] <graft> 'other installation options'
[12:14] <paul__> hi
[12:14] <Wolfe> from here you mean? http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/edgy/
[12:15] <paul__> just instlled ubuntu today really different to windows
[12:15] <paul__> iiiits so difficult get my head around
[12:15] <Wolfe> its about 10x better right?
[12:15] <paul__> i like it but i cant figuire it out!
[12:15] <graft> what's not to figure out?
[12:15] <paul__> trying install things is random
[12:16] <graft> yo, Wolfe, it's right frickin there! "Alternate Install CD"
[12:16] <paul__> i cannot work it out lol
[12:16] <graft> paul__: *nix has a VERY different philosophy on programs than windows
[12:16] <paul__> ive downloaded files so how do i now load them up
[12:16] <graft> at least, linux does
[12:16] <paul__> using this terminal thing :S?
[12:16] <graft> no, no
[12:16] <paul__> ?
[12:16] <graft> so, 99% of the time, you install programs through your 'package manager'
[12:17] <paul__> how do i get therE?
[12:17] <graft> which is a big repository of free software maintained by ubuntu
[12:17] <graft> um... you should have a little thingy called 'adept notifier' running in your taskbar?
[12:17] <paul__> hpow do i get to package manager
[12:17] <Adydas> err as i was asking, Is it possible X11 can have a conf per user?
[12:17] <paul__> i aint a clue about this sorry lol
[12:17] <graft> paul__: that's fine... the trick is just to be willing to get a clue, and you'll do great
[12:18] <paul__> i like the whole idea of linux but nrly gave in to the temptations of the easy life with crappy windows but i stuck in there
[12:18] <paul__> and im trying
[12:18] <paul__> lol
[12:18] <paul__> so how do i install a file ive just downloaded?
[12:18] <Adydas> depends what file it is?
[12:18] <paul__> im using kunbuntu 6.06
[12:19] <paul__> like prgrams and updates to be able go on youtube.com etc
[12:19] <paul__> cos i had to get plugins but using konquerer was a mission
[12:19] <graft> paul__: i'ma explain, hode on
[12:19] <graft> hit alt-f2 and a little box should come up
[12:19] <paul__> so had get firefox dont even know how i intalled that tbh
[12:19] <graft> type 'adept' in there
[12:19] <Adydas> You mean Flash?
[12:19] <paul__> yer flash
[12:19] <Adydas> Get Opera,
[12:19] <paul__> ive hit alt f2
[12:19] <paul__> command?
[12:20] <mauro> paul__: installing programs can be different than windows. For most of them you dont ahve to downlaod them, you just open up Adept and type the name, it will downlaod them and install them automatically
[12:20] <graft> adept
[12:20] <paul__> damn this is different lol
[12:20] <paul__> glad i ofund this irc!
[12:20] <paul__> lol
[12:20] <soulrider> yeah, but dont get discouraged, its rather easy!
[12:20] <graft> it's different at first... once you understand it philosophically it's much better
[12:20] <paul__> its rnning like a dream i must say
[12:20] <graft> basically, the idea is, most software is free, so it can be loaded up into the repository by ubuntu and configured for you in a package
[12:20] <Adydas> paul__:  i can give you a very bad, log / record of what ive done / did to get things going
[12:20] <paul__> 2.2 ghz 1gb ram
[12:21] <paul__> mmm :D
[12:21] <Adydas> internet/flash/ mp3s etc
[12:21] <graft> so you just have to click and install the package, and it'll work perfectly
[12:21] <paul__> :S
[12:21] <paul__> how do i play my mp3s thats another thing!
[12:21] <paul__> they wont play
[12:21] <graft> do you have adept running?
[12:21] <graft> !mp3
[12:21] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:21] <paul__> hopw do i get to adept ?
[12:21] <paul__> lol
[12:21] <paul__> i honeslty aint a clue im a geek at windows
[12:21] <paul__> lol
[12:22] <graft> you hit alt-f2, yah? the little box comes up to run a command? type 'adept' in there, and run it
[12:22] <paul__> got it
[12:22] <paul__> :)
[12:22] <paul__> next step
[12:22] <graft> okay, this is a package manager... you can search in it for cool stuff
[12:22] <graft> for example, firefox is in there
[12:22] <graft> so search for firefox and install it
[12:22] <paul__> ok so what is advisable stuff to help get me going?
[12:23] <paul__> its as easy as that?
[12:23] <graft> yeah
[12:23] <paul__> oh lol
[12:23] <paul__> hang on
[12:23] <mattis^> as easy as that,, yo
[12:23] <paul__> says i got it installed
[12:23] <paul__> cos i have now
[12:23] <graft> well, good for you, then...
[12:23] <graft> actually firefox should be there by default anyway
[12:24] <paul__> it wasnt for me was konquerer
[12:24] <graft> now to get flash you have to enable multiverse, which is a mite tricky
[12:24] <paul__> but im using kubuntu 6.06
[12:24] <paul__> not 6.10
[12:24] <graft> yeah, that's what's on your taskbar, maybe, but firefox is still installed... just no icon for it
[12:24] <paul__> oh i see
[12:24] <graft> actually
[12:24] <paul__> multiverse?
[12:24] <graft> !multiverse
[12:24] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:25] <paul__> duide was wiv da !
[12:25] <Adydas> Opera for the win!
[12:25] <paul__> lol
[12:25] <graft> actually firefox should install flash by itself
[12:25] <graft> assuming you have a reasonably current version
[12:26] <graft> i dunno why you're running 6.06, though...
[12:26] <paul__> i dunno
[12:26] <paul__> lol
[12:26] <Adydas> i installed opera then got the flash gunzip and cp /install_flash_player_9_linux/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/opera/plugins/
[12:26] <Adydas> Works mint
[12:26] <paul__> cos i like it better lol
[12:26] <graft> Adydas: same thing works for firefox
[12:26] <paul__> what shud i be running?
[12:26] <Adydas> There ya go
[12:26] <graft> you can unzip to ~/.mozilla/plugins
[12:26] <graft> which firefox will do for you, actually, once you go to any page with flash in it
[12:26] <Adydas> so just choose opera / firefox and your away with flash im moments
[12:26] <graft> it'll prompt you to install flash
[12:26] <paul__> ok
[12:27] <paul__> im pretty spun out
[12:27] <kristjan_> how do I mount iso?
[12:27] <Adydas> !mount
[12:27] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[12:27] <graft> kristjan_: with the loopback interface
[12:27] <gugu^> How can I uninstall Knetwork manager
[12:28] <Adydas> gugu^: apt-get remove knetwork
[12:28] <Adydas> ??
[12:28] <chavo> kristjan_, sudo mount -o loop /path/to/iso /path/to/mountpoint
[12:28] <graft> yeah, what chavo said
[12:28] <graft> slow typing :P
[12:29] <kristjan_> wow, mounting is fast
[12:29] <kristjan_> graft: then I finished reviewing, I unmount?
[12:29] <gugu^> Adydas: it`s not working,  E: Couldn't find package networkmanager
[12:29] <hellcattrav> would that be causing firefox to crash? cos thats what happens, it just suddenly crashes
[12:29] <gugu^> Adydas: it`s not working,  E: Couldn't find package knetwork
[12:29] <Adydas> gugu^: try apt-cache search networkmanager
[12:30] <Adydas> and find excatly what the package is / could be
[12:30] <kristjan_> sudo unmount /path/to/mountpoint?
[12:30] <Adydas> adydas@desktop:~$ apt-cache search knetwork
[12:30] <Adydas> knetworkconf - KDE network configuration tool
[12:30] <Adydas> knetworkmanager - User friendly KDE frontend for NetworkManager
[12:30] <Adydas> then remove / install as you see fit
[12:30] <paul__> so how do i play my mp3 from the cd i backed them uo frpm windows xp?
[12:31] <graft> kristjan_: umount
[12:31] <Adydas> paul__: Mount the cd, copy or play directly from either source ( assuming you have installed and configured a working mp3 player )
[12:31] <paul__> !mp3
[12:31] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:31] <gugu^> Adydas: works :), thx
[12:31] <paul__> :S
[12:31] <paul__> playing mp3?
[12:31] <paul__> lol
[12:31] <Adydas> may i suggest mplayer // amarok and Vlc for media of the movie and mp3 nature
[12:31] <paul__> help ne1
[12:31] <paul__> lol
[12:32] <paul__> how i get those
[12:32] <paul__> lol
[12:32] <graft> paul, read the RestrictedFormats page
[12:32] <graft> it'll tell you how to proceed
[12:32] <paul__> thanku
[12:33] <Adydas> gugu^:  your welcome
[12:34] <paul__> still confused reading this thing
[12:34] <Adydas> what are you trying to get going mp3s?
[12:34] <paul__> yep
[12:34] <paul__> i burnt them on disk from xp
[12:34] <paul__> they are viewable wiv names etc just wont play
[12:35] <Adydas> apt-get install amarok amarok-xine libxine-extracodecs
[12:35] <Adydas> that got my mp3s going
[12:35] <hellcattrav> ok firefox just keeps crashing
[12:35] <Nii> how can i write files to my ntfs partition ?
[12:35] <hellcattrav> this is unaccetable and ridciulus....
[12:35] <paul__> where do i type this apt get sutff?
[12:35] <paul__> sorry im confused
[12:35] <Adydas> !ntfs
[12:35] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[12:35] <Adydas> paul__: a konsole
[12:35] <paul__> tgerminal?>
[12:35] <paul__> terminal?
[12:35] <hellcattrav> or terminal(which is like a console
[12:36] <Adydas> yeah a terminal window / console / konsole
[12:36] <paul__> ok kool
[12:36] <hellcattrav> paul_ are you using GNOME or KDE?
[12:36] <Wolfe> ok, i have one more question
[12:36] <Adydas> paul__:  dont forget sudo
[12:36] <Wolfe> how do you know what the md5sum is going to say?
[12:36] <paul__> KDE
[12:36] <Adydas> paul_ use konsole then
[12:36] <paul__> ok
[12:36] <Adydas> run command "konsole"
[12:36] <paul__> which is where?
[12:36] <paul__> lo
[12:36] <Adydas> then sudo apt-get install amarok amarok-xine libxine-extracodecs
[12:37] <paul__> lwheres konsole
[12:37] <Adydas> paul__: go to the " start button " as it were and then go to run command
[12:37] <Wolfe> whenever you get the chance please
[12:37] <Adydas> type konsole and hit enter
[12:37] <Sanne> Wolfe: you won't know. It just tells you. What do you want to do?
[12:37] <cpk1> Wolfe: md5sum nameoffile
[12:37] <paul__> it didnt work
[12:37] <Wolfe> well, first, whats the point of md5sum?
[12:37] <paul__> thew sudo thing u gave me
[12:37] <Adydas> paul__:  or go to System
[12:38] <Adydas> and select it from there ( the black montitor logo )
[12:38] <cpk1> Wolfe: you then compare that number to the number that they gave you from wherever you downloaded the file
[12:38] <hellcattrav> paul_: are you suing GNOME or KDE?
[12:38] <Adydas> oh so you have terminal
[12:38] <paul__> using KDE
[12:38] <Adydas> hellcattrav: he said KDE
[12:38] <Wolfe> hm...
[12:38] <hellcattrav> oh
[12:38] <hellcattrav> sorry
[12:38] <Wolfe> where does it say the number on the site xD
[12:38] <Adydas> paul__: sudo apt-get install amarok amarok-xine libxine-extracodecs
[12:38] <hellcattrav> so yeah, system, what they said
[12:38] <cpk1> Wolfe: is this for kubuntu isos?
[12:38] <Wolfe> yea
[12:38] <paul__> do i just type that in the window?
[12:38] <Adydas> yes
[12:38] <paul__> as if it were msdos say
[12:39] <Adydas> it will download and install amarok mp3 player and needed stuff to play mp3s
[12:39] <Adydas> and codecs
[12:39] <mous> hiii
[12:39] <paul__> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:39] <paul__> paul@paul-desktop:~$
[12:39] <mous> is there someone from brussels?
[12:39] <paul__> thats what it says ady
[12:39] <Dekans> bsomeone on a 64 bits distro ?
[12:39] <Adydas> you using adept?
[12:39] <paul__> u told me use konsole
[12:39] <paul__> lol
[12:39] <Sanne> Dekans: I am
[12:39] <cpk1> Wolfe: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/edgy/MD5SUMS there will probably several numbers, use the one for whichever iso you downloaded
[12:40] <paul__> mate im confused
[12:40] <paul__> lol
[12:40] <Adydas> you cant use apt-get if your allready using it
[12:40] <Adydas> via a KDE program called adept
[12:40] <paul__> whats apt get?
[12:40] <Wolfe> ohhh
[12:40] <Adydas> i belive the console version of the same thing
[12:40] <Wolfe> thanks man
[12:40] <Dekans> Sanne: do you hace kickoff menu ?
[12:40] <kalbut> dd
[12:40] <Wolfe> thats awesome
[12:40] <Adydas> dos based program installer as it were
[12:40] <Adydas> !apt-get
[12:40] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[12:40] <Sanne> Dekans: is that the new menu? If so, no.
[12:41] <paul__> it says amarok is already the newest version
[12:41] <cpk1> aptitude is more useful than apt-get
[12:41] <Dekans> Sanne: yes
[12:41] <Adydas> cpk1: im trying to help him the way i know best, if somone else wants to take over sweet
[12:42] <Sanne> Dekans: I have the old fashioned menu ;). Also, I'm still on Dapper.
[12:42] <Adydas> paul__: what about the codecs
[12:42] <paul__> adydas your doing gd man
[12:42] <paul__> least sum1 helps!
[12:42] <paul__> lol
[12:42] <Dekans> Sanne: me too, kickoff is not available for kubuntu 64
[12:42] <Adydas> paul__: try sudo apt-get install amarok-xine libxine-extracodecs
[12:42] <cpk1> Adydas: that was for your information too =) aptitude does more complex stuff
[12:42] <joxe> hola
[12:42] <Adydas> to ensure you have the required codecs
[12:42] <paul__> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:43] <paul__> is only available from another source
[12:43] <paul__> E: Package libxine-extracodecs has no installation candidate
[12:43] <paul__> paul@paul-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get firefox
[12:43] <Adydas> cpk1: ah, one day ill get around to it.. Ive spent years in console only debian its all i know..
[12:43] <paul__> E: Invalid operation firefox
[12:43] <paul__> paul@paul-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install amarok-xine libxine-extracodecs
[12:43] <paul__> Reading package lists... Done
[12:43] <chrissgee> anyone feel like assistng a newbie with wireless before I rip my eyes out
[12:43] <paul__> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:43] <cpk1> aptitude uses basically the same commands...
[12:43] <Sanne> Dekans: ah! So, you can try the backports, or kubuntu.org repositories, or build it yourself.
[12:43] <paul__> amarok-xine is already the newest version.
[12:43] <Adydas> ahh
[12:43] <paul__> Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:43] <Adydas> !pastebin
[12:43] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:43] <paul__> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:43] <paul__> is only available from another source
[12:43] <Dekans> Sanne: the sources are not available
[12:43] <paul__> E: Package libxine-extracodecs has no installation candidate
[12:43] <paul__> paul@paul-desktop:~$ udo apt-get install amarok-xine libxine-extracodecs
[12:43] <paul__> adydas thats wot said mate
[12:43] <paul__> i managed to figure out the wireless!
[12:43] <paul__> lol
[12:43] <Dekans> onle i386 packages
[12:43] <Sanne> Dekans: not? how come?
[12:44] <Adydas> paul__: use pastebin for pasting stuff next time :P i dont mind but others may here.. have you updated apt?
[12:44] <paul__> im gonna give in sumtime i really dont want to
[12:44] <cpk1> chrissgee: whats your problem? I hate wireless but find I cant get away from helping with it
[12:44] <Adydas> paul__:  apt-get update
[12:44] <paul__> its hard when sum1 cant show u and i rlly dont have a clue
[12:44] <Adydas> paul__:  apt-get upgrade
[12:44] <paul__> ok i try that
[12:44] <Dekans> Sanne: i only find i386 packages, not any source tarball
[12:44] <Adydas> if the update and upgrades done you wont get to far.. its allmost the first 2 commands i run when doing a fresh install
[12:45] <Adydas> if you havent done apt-get update and upgrade expect some big downloads
[12:45] <Sanne> Dekans: where do you find those i386 packages?
[12:45] <chrissgee> guess I'm not registered
[12:45] <paul__> done that adydas
[12:45] <Adydas> 400-600mb type downloads / updates
[12:45] <Adydas> paul__: and its all fresh and up to date?
[12:45] <paul__> says done
[12:45] <Dekans> Sanne: kde-look or beryl forum
[12:45] <paul__> Reading package lists... Done
[12:45] <paul__> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:45] <hellcattrav> hello?
[12:46] <soulrider> paul__: never paste like that
[12:46] <soulrider> use the pastebin
[12:46] <paul__> sorry :S
[12:46] <soulrider> !paste | paul
[12:46] <ubotu> paul: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:46] <paul__> i dopnt know do i!
[12:46] <soulrider> its allright
[12:46] <Sanne> Dekans: ah. Usually, if it's GPL, the sources must be available somewhere if binaries are distributed.
[12:46] <soulrider> we all pasted that way the first time :P
[12:46] <paul__> adydas http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6770/
[12:47] <paul__> thats what it says
[12:47] <paul__> what u reckon i do now?
[12:47] <Adydas> this command was executed wrongly
[12:47] <Adydas> paul@paul-desktop:~$ sudo - apt get update
[12:47] <Adydas> run sudo apt-get update
[12:47] <Dekans> Sanne: it is strange but not any source
[12:47] <paul__> ok thanks
[12:48] <Adydas> not sudo - apt get update
[12:48] <paul__> whats sudo mean m8?
[12:48] <Adydas> it gives you root or super user access
[12:48] <Adydas> !sudo
[12:48] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[12:48] <hellcattrav> yep
[12:48] <paul__> didnt work
[12:48] <Adydas> pastebin me again
[12:48] <Sanne> Dekans: I'm looking myself now. If it's like that, it would be a GPL violation (or a t least, if you asked them for sources, and you won't get them, it would be).
[12:48] <hellcattrav> adydas, whats the command to get firefox....i guess at this point i need to reinstall it, how would i do that?
[12:48] <cpk1> paul__: can you pastebin the output of 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list'
[12:49] <vas> whuts the Linux version of mkdir
[12:49] <Adydas> hellcattrav: sorry i use Opera, obtained from www.opera.com
[12:49] <vas> i mea copy****
[12:49] <chrissgee> how do i register so I can talk to people, this is killing me
[12:49] <cpk1> hellcattrav: sudo aptitude reinstall firefox (i think thats the package name)
[12:49] <Adydas> vas: cp
[12:49] <Dekans> Sanne: i search this afternoon, and i had ever searched for it
[12:49] <vas> thnx
[12:49] <paul__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6772
[12:49] <Dekans> no source but a kubuntu version is also available...
[12:50] <hellcattrav> ok
[12:50] <hellcattrav> thanks
[12:50] <Adydas> paul__: no run at the start
[12:50] <Adydas> "sudo apt-get update"
[12:50] <paul__> u just said use run lol
[12:50] <Adydas> thats the full command
[12:50] <vas> say I am CPing a file but a folder in one of the paths has two words in it.. how would I go about doing that
[12:50] <vas> My projects is the folder name
[12:50] <Adydas> missunderstanding
[12:50] <Rob-West> i only wanna use a pendrive because i dont want to reload my box
[12:50] <Adydas> i ment it in a run or do the following
[12:51] <Adydas> no that run was apart of the command
[12:51] <paul__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6773/
[12:51] <hellcattrav> ok
[12:51] <cpk1> vas: cp nameoffile /home/vas/this\ has\ a\ space/
[12:51] <paul__> ah its dun summit
[12:51] <vas> cpki: I love you
[12:51] <paul__> oh soz ady lol
[12:51] <paul__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6773/
[12:52] <paul__> that of ne help adydas?
[12:52] <Dave_nj> I have a quick question... Is anyone interested in helping me please?
[12:52] <hellcattrav> well ill try that, i do have opera on my XP boot, so lets just try that instead and if it doesn't work then ill go reinstall firefox
[12:52] <cpk1> paul__: you need to set up your repos to get libxine-extracodecs
[12:52] <paul__> how i do this ady?
[12:52] <Adydas> Dave_nj: just ask :P
[12:53] <hellcattrav> this is bollacks
[12:53] <paul__> ?
[12:53] <cpk1> paul__: do 'kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list' and then on every line where there is just ONE # delete it
[12:53] <hellcattrav> whats the opera site?
[12:53] <paul__> how i get there konsle?
[12:53] <paul__> using konsole
[12:53] <cpk1> paul__: yes
[12:53] <Dave_nj> Thank you, is there a parameter I can enter into the start parameters on the Live CD of Ubuntu 6.1 in order to force the defaultDepth property to 16?
[12:53] <hellcattrav> appearently konqueror and firefox don't work
[12:53] <hellcattrav> im screwed
[12:53] <cpk1> hellcattrav: dont work with what?
[12:54] <hellcattrav> so how can i get to opera
[12:54] <paul__> ive loaded that adyas now wot
[12:54] <Adydas> hellcattrav: opera.com
[12:54] <Adydas> download, un tar and run install.sh i belive
[12:54] <Sanne> Dekans: well, it should be somewhere in kde svn, but there doesn't seem to be a convenient source release yet. At least I also can't find any.
[12:54] <Adydas> let it do its thing and your done
[12:55] <hellcattrav> ok now its working in konqueror
[12:55] <Adydas> paul__: As highlighted edit your sources list and free up all lines so there are no #'s Then re run the apt-get update command
[12:55] <cpk1> paul__: some lines have 2 #'s and other lines have just one #. every line that only has one # delete that #
[12:55] <paul__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6774/
[12:55] <paul__> thats what it said adydas_
[12:55] <Sanne> Adydas, hellcattrav: isn't Opera installible from the commercial Ubuntu repository?
[12:55] <hellcattrav> ok so where should i put it, in my home folder?
[12:55] <hellcattrav> idk
[12:55] <hellcattrav> is it?
[12:55] <Sanne> I think so, let me check
[12:56] <Adydas> Sanne: i couldnt find it
[12:56] <paul__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6774/
[12:56] <cpk1> paul__: did a text editor open up?
[12:56] <paul__> yer lol
[12:56] <paul__> called kate
[12:56] <paul__> i closed it
[12:56] <Adydas> you need it
[12:56] <Sanne> Adydas, hellcattrav: here's a blog announcement fro dapper, I bet it should be the same for edgy: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/07/08/introducing-the-dapper-commercial-repository/
[12:56] <paul__> how do i start ti again lol
[12:56] <cpk1> paul__: then do the same command again, you need to edit the file like i told you
[12:57] <Adydas> Sanne: I cannot find opera via apt at all
[12:57] <Sanne> Adydas: have you enabled the commercial ubuntu repository?
[12:57] <paul__> right how do i edit this kate thing
[12:57] <Adydas> paul__: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:57] <paul__> lol
[12:57] <paul__> done that ady
[12:57] <Adydas> remove all lines with 1 x #
[12:58] <paul__> oh i see
[12:58] <cpk1> [15:56:14]  <cpk1> paul__: some lines have 2 #'s and other lines have just one #. every line that only has one # delete that #
[12:58] <Adydas> ie # deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe should be  deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe
[12:58] <Adydas> leave the lines with 2 #s
[12:58] <Wolfe> ok, imma go see if the alt disk works
[12:58] <Wolfe> brb
[12:58] <paul__> done that adyadas now what
[12:58] <paul__> save it?
[12:58] <Adydas> yes
[12:58] <Adydas> once you have saved do 'sudo apt-get update'
[12:58] <Sanne> Adydas: Opera should be there for edgy, I can see it in the packages file: http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy-commercial/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[12:58] <paul__> save it to where?
[12:58] <Adydas> where it is
[12:59] <paul__> which is?
[12:59] <Nii> guys how can i write files to my ntfs drive? i tried that diskmounter but i only can read from it
[12:59] <Adydas> shoudl be/etc/apt/sources.list
[12:59] <Adydas> shoudl be /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:59] <paul__> so now what do i do
[12:59] <Adydas> Nii: !ntfs
[12:59] <Adydas> !ntfs
[12:59] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[12:59] <paul__> i just hit save
[12:59] <Sanne> Adydas: so the sources.list entry should be: deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu edgy-commercial main
[12:59] <Nii> !fuse
[12:59] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[12:59] <Nii> !ntfs-3g
[12:59] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[01:00] <paul__> ...
[01:00] <Adydas> Sanne: Wicked thanks, that lines not there at all
[01:00] <Adydas> paul__ did you to what i said with apt-get agian
[01:00] <paul__> no
[01:00] <Adydas>  <Adydas> once you have saved do 'sudo apt-get update'
[01:00] <paul__> so run apt-get update?
[01:00] <Adydas> Bingo
[01:00] <Sanne> Adydas: you're welcome
[01:00] <paul__> woo im getting it lol
[01:01] <paul__> says its not known lol
[01:01] <hellcattrav> ok, so what the hell do i do at this point?
[01:01] <paul__> on line 26
[01:01] <Adydas> paul__: pastebin me
[01:01] <hellcattrav> is there a command line prompt?  or do i look in synaptic?
[01:01] <cpk1> hellcattrav: what are you trying to do?
[01:02] <hellcattrav> get opera
[01:02] <Adydas> Use the repo Sanne just highlighted
[01:02] <paul__> !paste
[01:02] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:02] <paul__> !pastebin
[01:02] <Adydas> ( was news to me )
[01:02] <cpk1> hellcattrav: i think Sanne just said you can use deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu edgy-commercial main to get opera
[01:02] <paul__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6775/
[01:02] <hellcattrav> and ndiswrapper(but iwas trying to get at least one thing done myself
[01:02] <hellcattrav> deb?
[01:02] <paul__> there adydas
[01:02] <Adydas> hellcattrav: <Sanne> Adydas: so the sources.list entry should be: deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu edgy-commercial main
[01:02] <paul__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6775/
[01:02] <hellcattrav> whats that?
[01:03] <Sanne> thanks cpk1, Adydas, you type much faster than me ;)
[01:03] <paul__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6775/
[01:03] <Adydas> hehe :p
[01:03] <cpk1> hellcattrav: add 'deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu edgy-commercial main' to your sources.list
[01:03] <hellcattrav> ok
[01:03] <Adydas> paul__:  you have a typo in your sourceslist now
[01:03] <Adydas> Type u is not known on line 26 in source list
[01:03] <hellcattrav> now how do i do that ?)
[01:03] <paul__> my sourcelist?
[01:03] <Adydas> re edit sources.list and remove the type from line 26
[01:03] <cpk1> paul__: pastebin the output of 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list'
[01:03] <paul__> ok hang on
[01:03] <Adydas> If you need help ID the type pastebin it
[01:04] <cpk1> hellcattrav: 'kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list'
[01:04] <hellcattrav> ok
[01:04] <hellcattrav> in a terminal?
[01:04] <Adydas> yes
[01:04] <paul__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6776/
[01:04] <Adydas> paul__: same for you kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:04] <paul__> there adyydas
[01:04] <cpk1> hellcattrav: yes or just run that command
[01:05] <Adydas> paul__:  Line 25 on that
[01:05] <Adydas> there is a "se"
[01:05] <paul__> what bout line 25?
[01:05] <paul__> sorry im lost again
[01:05] <Adydas> randomly in code you need to del it
[01:05] <cpk1> paul__: you did it wrong, you werent supposed to delete the whole line only the #
[01:05] <paul__> and for line 26
[01:05] <hellcattrav> ok
[01:05] <paul__> oh shit
[01:05] <hellcattrav> kate opened up
[01:05] <paul__> only the hash?
[01:05] <Adydas> Yes
[01:05] <paul__> not the wrtiting as well
[01:05] <paul__> lol
[01:05] <paul__> shit
[01:05] <paul__> lol
[01:05] <Adydas> no you needed that :p
[01:05] <Adydas> it sok
[01:05] <paul__> ffs now wot do i do lol
[01:06] <Adydas> it sok ill get you a new line to add into it
[01:06] <paul__> thanks
[01:06] <Adydas> dammit, i appear to be spamming the pastebin :/
[01:07] <paul__> :S
[01:07] <paul__> lol
[01:07] <paul__> adydas_ what now m8
[01:07] <cpk1> paul__: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6777/ delete everything in your list and copy paste whats in there into it
[01:07] <paul__> ok
[01:07] <Adydas> shot
[01:08] <paul__> done that adydas
[01:08] <hellcattrav> it said authentication rejected....
[01:08] <Adydas> saved it
[01:08] <Adydas> then sudo apt-get update
[01:08] <cpk1> hellcattrav: you added 'deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu edgy-commercial main' (no quotes) to your sources.list?
[01:08] <hellcattrav> me? or paul_?
[01:08] <unworked> so... its not working still
[01:08] <Adydas> paul__:
[01:09] <paul__> SUCCESS adydas
[01:09] <Adydas> shot
[01:09] <Adydas> now download it
[01:09] <paul__> download it?
[01:09] <unworked> i used the alt cd, but i get the same error, and it only shows installation methods
[01:09] <Adydas> the codecs
[01:09] <paul__> it just came up wiv a load of things lol
[01:09] <paul__> running in the konsole
[01:09] <paul__> i'll paste bin it
[01:09] <cpk1> hellcattrav: normally when I am talking to someone I prefix what I am saying with their name...
[01:09] <yettenet> Where can I enable chat logging in Kopete?
[01:09] <Adydas> apt-get install amarok amarok-xine libxine-extracodecs
[01:10] <cpk1> yettenet: its in the plugins
[01:10] <Adydas> paul__: apt-get install amarok-xine libxine-extracodecs
[01:10] <paul__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6779/
[01:10] <yettenet> It doesn't seem like it saves the things :P
[01:10] <yettenet> Do you know where it should save them?
[01:10] <paul__> didnt work adydas
[01:10] <paul__> this is hard work lol
[01:10] <Adydas> paul__: Thats good, it worked and updated your repos
[01:10] <Adydas> didnt work how?
[01:10] <paul__> the last thing u told me type in console
[01:10] <paul__> apt-get install amarok-xine libxine-extracodecs
[01:10] <Adydas> paul__:  Do this one apt-get install amarok amarok-xine libxine-extracodecs
[01:11] <paul__> didnt work
[01:11] <chrissgee> how do I register with freenode
[01:11] <paul__> cudnt open lock file?
[01:11] <cpk1> yettenet: /home/cpk1/.kde/share/apps/kopete/logs
[01:11] <Adydas> Oh sorry
[01:11] <Adydas> paul__:  sudo apt-get install amarok amarok-xine libxine-extracodecs
[01:11] <yettenet> cpk1: Thanks
[01:11] <paul__> that did work m8
[01:11] <Adydas> there ya go
[01:11] <paul__> let me pastebin to make sure
[01:11] <Adydas> its all installed and you should / could be able to mp3 away now
[01:11] <cpk1> yettenet: replace cpk1 with your username =)
[01:12] <paul__> adydas_ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6780/
[01:12] <Adydas> paul__:  to test try running amarok from the console
[01:12] <Adydas> adydas@desktop:~$ amarok
[01:12] <unworked> anyone?
[01:12] <unworked> (this is Wolfe again)
[01:12] <Adydas> Hrm.. paul__ thats not good news
[01:13] <paul__> its not?
[01:13] <paul__> :S
[01:13] <paul__> as in what respect?
[01:13] <paul__> lol
[01:13] <cpk1> !anyone
[01:13] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[01:13] <Sanne> Adydas, paul__: sudo apt-get install... (you omitted sudo)
[01:13] <unworked> well, its rather pointless to ask if no one is there
[01:14] <Sanne> sorry
[01:14] <Adydas> he re did it with sudo after
[01:14] <paul__> done that ady
[01:14] <Sanne> Adydas: I see, sorry
[01:14] <unworked> i was just here with the error 'uknown interuption or fault' and someone suggested the alt cd
[01:14] <unworked> i used the alt cd, but i get the same error, and it only shows installation methods
[01:14] <unworked> theres no, start or install
[01:14] <Sanne> Adydas, paul__: maybe some repositories (universe, multiverse...) are not enabled yet?
[01:14] <yettenet> cpk1: It's okay now, thanks
[01:14] <yettenet> :P
[01:15] <unworked> its just install via text mode or oem mode
[01:15] <yettenet> gnight, guys
[01:15] <unworked> bye
[01:15] <paul__> how enable multiverse?
[01:15] <cpk1> paul__: please pastebin the output of 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list' again
[01:15] <Adydas> Oh, i just clicked would it matter hes using Drapper? as
[01:15] <cpk1> dapper has libxine-extracodecs too
[01:15] <Adydas> "I checked out the http but there are no dapper repositories,"
[01:16] <Adydas> oh cool
[01:16] <cpk1> !libxine-extracodecs dapper
[01:16] <Wolfe> ._.
[01:16] <paul__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6781/
[01:16] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[01:16] <paul__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6781/
[01:17] <Adydas> paul__: what does the following show
[01:17] <Adydas> sudo apt-cache search extracodecs
[01:17] <cpk1> paul__: find this line deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe and add multiverse to the end of it so it looks like this 'deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse'
[01:17] <paul__> whats what follwoing show
[01:17] <paul__> im lost again
[01:17] <paul__> lol
[01:18] <Adydas> do what cpk1s suggested
[01:18] <paul__> what do i do on that ive clicked it
[01:18] <paul__> now ive got an index
[01:18] <Wolfe> *cough*
[01:18] <hellcattrav> ok, so how do  add that to my sources?
[01:18] <Adydas> hellcattrav: add what?
[01:18] <cpk1> paul__: so do 'kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list' again and edit the file like i said
[01:19] <Adydas> hellcattrav: that kdesu comamnd cpk1 just pointed out will allow you to add stuff to your sources to
[01:19] <paul__> adydas says bad file now
[01:19] <paul__> mate im getting stressed
[01:19] <paul__> bad device?
[01:19] <paul__> major opcode 144
[01:19] <Adydas> whats a bad file or bad device?
[01:19] <cpk1> paul__: ignore what it says and just edit the file
[01:20] <paul__> theres no file to edit!
[01:20] <Adydas> paul__:  find this line deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe and add multiverse to the end of it so it looks like this 'deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse'
[01:20] <paul__> failed to open device it says
[01:20] <Adydas> Do the above
[01:20] <cpk1> paul__: you did 'kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list' ?
[01:20] <spitwise> device?? awha?
[01:20] <hellcattrav> ok
[01:21] <hellcattrav> ok
[01:21] <Adydas> what does the kdesu do out of intrest grant su? for kde?
[01:21] <Adydas> thats my guess anyway
[01:21] <Sanne> Adydas: yes
[01:22] <paul__> right got it up now ady
[01:22] <paul__> now what do i need edit?
[01:22] <hellcattrav> once i have kate up, how do i add to sources, do i just copy and paste into that text?
[01:22] <Adydas> paul__: find the line
[01:22] <Adydas> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe
[01:22] <Sanne> Adydas: it's better to use kdesu for gui apps than just sudo.
[01:22] <paul__> huh?
[01:22] <cpk1> paul__: find this line deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe and add multiverse to the end of it so it looks like this 'deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse'
[01:22] <Adydas> go to the end of that line and add 'multiverse'
[01:23] <paul__> it dont load nuffink
[01:23] <Adydas> have you done this
[01:23] <Adydas> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:23] <paul__> The requested URL /ubuntu/multiverse was not found on this server.
[01:23] <hellcattrav> do i need to take the comments out of anything in the sources list?
[01:23] <paul__> hang on
[01:23] <paul__> so where it says
[01:24] <Adydas> hellcattrav: as per paul__s situation remove the lines with just 1 x # but ONLY remove the #
[01:24] <paul__> dapper main restricted
[01:24] <paul__> change that
[01:24] <Adydas> paul__:  stop, well start again
[01:24] <cpk1> paul__: no
[01:24] <paul__> ok
[01:24] <Adydas> firstly do this
[01:24] <Adydas> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:24] <paul__> shall i close everything?
[01:24] <Adydas> it loads thate kate text editor yes?
[01:24] <hellcattrav> ok
[01:24] <cpk1> paul__: there is a line that says EXACTLY 'deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe'
[01:24] <hellcattrav> im in the kate text order, with sources list
[01:24] <paul__> ive foudn the lone
[01:24] <cpk1> paul__: change that line to read 'deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse'
[01:25] <Adydas> paul__:  do you understand what cpk1 just said?
[01:25] <hellcattrav> and im supposed to remove the line with 1 x?, bit confused here
[01:25] <Adydas> hellcattrav: remove the #
[01:25] <paul__>  team.
[01:25] <paul__> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse
[01:25] <paul__> deb-src http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper univer
[01:25] <paul__> thats what ive changed
[01:25] <Adydas> from the start of the line
[01:25] <hellcattrav> i see something that looks like this  ## major bug fix updates prdocued after the final release of
[01:25] <Adydas> so it goes from being # deb http.... to deb http...
[01:25] <hellcattrav> the
[01:25] <hellcattrav> ## distributingion...
[01:26] <paul__> hang on
[01:26] <Adydas> ignore any line that starts as ##
[01:26] <cpk1> hellcattrav: a # at the beginning of a line means the line is commented out (will not be read by the program) so if you want the line to be read delete the #
[01:26] <Adydas> just those that start as #
[01:26] <hellcattrav> ok
[01:26] <paul__> there aint any with the hash
[01:26] <Adydas> but only del the #
[01:26] <paul__> #
[01:26] <paul__> aint none #
[01:26] <hellcattrav> fuck
[01:26] <hellcattrav> sorry
[01:26] <Adydas> paul__: good work
[01:26] <Adydas> did you use kate to locate that line
[01:26] <paul__> no i didnt delete any there actually aint ne lol
[01:26] <hellcattrav> im looking at this:## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[01:27] <hellcattrav> where are the 2 lines?
[01:27] <paul__> ?
[01:27] <cpk1> hellcattrav: but like i told you before Sanne said to get opera you need to add 'deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu edgy-commercial main' to the list (without quotes)
[01:27] <cpk1> paul__: did you do what i said about adding multiverse to that one line?
[01:27] <hellcattrav> so literaly add it to the end?
[01:27] <paul__> the word multiverse?
[01:28] <Adydas> hellcattrav: you need to remove the #####S from the website link lines
[01:28] <Adydas> for eg
[01:28] <Adydas> ## team.
[01:28] <Adydas> # deb http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe
[01:28] <Adydas> # deb-src http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe
[01:28] <paul__> this is what i have ! deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse
[01:28] <hellcattrav> shit this makes no sense
[01:28] <paul__> ur tellin moi
[01:28] <paul__> lol
[01:28] <Adydas> hellcattrav: del the # from the start so it says
[01:28] <cpk1> paul__: good save it and then pastebin the output of 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list' so we can double check
[01:28] <felix_> does anyone know a software to convert .daa to .iso or any other format k3b can handle?
[01:28] <Adydas> deb http://xx.archvice.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe
[01:28] <cpk1> !repos | hellcattrav
[01:28] <paul__> i just click save yes
[01:28] <ubotu> hellcattrav: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:28] <paul__> not save as or nuttin
[01:29] <cpk1> just click save
[01:29] <hellcattrav> i see deb http:///us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/edgy universe...do i take out the # sign before that?
[01:29] <Adydas> Yes
[01:29] <Adydas> then save it
[01:29] <Adydas> and run
[01:29] <paul__> !paste
[01:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:29] <Adydas> sudo apt-get update
[01:29] <hellcattrav> ok?
[01:29] <Adydas> ok hellcattrav
[01:30] <paul__> here
[01:30] <paul__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6784/
[01:30] <paul__> change line 16 yer?
[01:30] <paul__> :S
[01:30] <cpk1> paul__: good now do 'sudo aptitude update'
[01:30] <Adydas> paul__: looks good dude
[01:30] <Adydas> now .. do what cpk1 said :p
[01:30] <paul__> i am rlly trying lol
[01:31] <paul__> asking for poassword
[01:31] <Adydas> sudo aptitude update still looks the same as apt-get update
[01:31] <paul__> im presuming my password?
[01:31] <paul__> lol
[01:31] <Adydas> insert your password then :p
[01:31] <hellcattrav> wait can i just paste his into mine?
[01:31] <Adydas> hellcattrav: if your from the US
[01:31] <paul__> ok done that m8
[01:31] <hellcattrav> would that not work?
[01:31] <hellcattrav> i am
[01:31] <paul__> its done loads of things now
[01:31] <Adydas> i dont see why not as long as your using drapper and not edgy
[01:31] <cpk1> Adydas: that part is the same, there are things that aptitude does that are far superior to apt-get
[01:31] <hellcattrav> oh
[01:32] <hellcattrav> never mind
[01:32] <Adydas> paul__:  look like this?
[01:32] <paul__> says done adydas
[01:32] <Adydas> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com edgy-security Release
[01:32] <Adydas> Ign http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/multiverse Translation-en_US
[01:32] <Sanne> hellcattrav: but you still won't get Opera with this sources.list...
[01:32] <cpk1> paul__: now do 'sudo aptitude install libxine-extracodecs'
[01:32] <cpk1> !repos | hellcattrav
[01:32] <ubotu> hellcattrav: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:32] <hellcattrav> oh bugger
[01:32] <hellcattrav> this is shite
[01:33] <Adydas> paul__: did you do it?
[01:33] <Adydas> what happend?
[01:33] <hellcattrav> i give up
[01:33] <paul__> do i want to continue it says
[01:33] <cpk1> !repos | hellcattrav
[01:33] <Adydas> y
[01:33] <Adydas> and then enter
[01:33] <Adydas> paul__:
[01:33] <Sanne> hellcattrav: did you add the line for the commercial repository to your sources.list?
[01:33] <hellcattrav> ill just download it from the opera site
[01:33] <paul__> ok
[01:33] <cpk1> !repos | hellcattrav
[01:33] <ubotu> hellcattrav: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:33] <paul__> says fetched
[01:33] <hellcattrav> i stuck it at the end yes
[01:33] <paul__> reading database
[01:33] <Adydas> paul__: then well done, its done it :p
[01:33] <paul__> its doing alot :)
[01:33] <Adydas> it downloaded, and installed the codecs for you to play mp3s
[01:33] <cpk1> hellcattrav: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu explains how to add the repo you need for opera
[01:33] <Sanne> hellcattrav: paste your sources list to the pastebin, please
[01:33] <paul__> so i can play mp3 now?
[01:34] <hellcattrav> so it says that canonical bit at teh very bottem
[01:34] <hellcattrav> sure
[01:34] <Adydas> paul__: you sure can :p
[01:34] <cpk1> paul__: we hope
[01:34] <paul__> do i quit konsole now#
[01:34] <Adydas> you can
[01:34] <Adydas> then run amarok
[01:34] <Adydas> and it should play a sample mp3
[01:34] <Adydas> i belive.. Or just load your own mp3
[01:35] <paul__> cant hear nuttion :S
[01:35] <Adydas> any errors?
[01:35] <paul__> no
[01:35] <paul__> sounds on!
[01:35] <Adydas> it works
[01:35] <paul__> lol
[01:35] <Adydas> i suggest you check your sounds turned on
[01:35] <Adydas> headphones or speakrs plugged in correcly etc
[01:35] <Adydas> unless ur sound cards not iunsalled
[01:36] <paul__> oh dear
[01:36] <apallo_> !ubotu supported laptops
[01:36] <paul__> it mihjgt be that haha
[01:36] <apallo_> !ubotu laptops
[01:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about laptops - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:36] <cpk1> that is incredibly improbable
[01:36] <jsubl2> !ubotu laptop
[01:36] <ubotu> Laptop support information can be found on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops - http://www.linux-laptop.net/ - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam - http://tuxmobil.org
[01:36] <paul__> how install soundcard?
[01:36] <Adydas> quite possibly by using an older version to
[01:36] <apallo_> thanks
[01:36] <paul__> it is instralled cos i can head the ubuntu sounds
[01:36] <jsubl2> :)
[01:36] <Adydas> oh
[01:36] <paul__> lol
[01:36] <cpk1> paul__: go to the kmenu then system settings then sound system and click test sound
[01:37] <paul__> is it cos im trying run it from the cd?
[01:37] <Adydas> possibly
[01:37] <paul__> lol?
[01:37] <hellcattrav> !paste
[01:37] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:37] <Adydas> but i doubt it
[01:37] <cpk1> paul__: you are doing all this off the livecd?
[01:37] <paul__> no its installed on my pc
[01:37] <paul__> lol
[01:37] <Adydas> paul__: move or copy the mp3s to your PC
[01:37] <Adydas> just move or copy 1 song to ttest
[01:37] <paul__> ive ditched windows completely!
[01:38] <paul__> woo its working playing a saxophone lol
[01:38] <paul__> that was a sample on there tho
[01:38] <hellcattrav> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6786/  my sources.list
[01:39] <Sanne> hellcattrav: looking (please type my name so my chat client notifies me)
[01:39] <paul__> how do i open the cd?
[01:39] <paul__> to move a file
[01:39] <paul__> ?
[01:40] <cpk1> paul__: normally it makes an icon on your desktop
[01:40] <paul__> it did but hasnt now lol
[01:40] <Adydas> then its not going
[01:40] <Adydas> re insert the cd
[01:40] <paul__> ok
[01:40] <Sanne> hellcattrav: that commercial line looks fine, but why on earth do you have multitide entries lines 33 to 40?
[01:40] <Adydas> into the cdrom by opening and closeing it
[01:40] <hellcattrav> idk
[01:40] <paul__> done that
[01:40] <hellcattrav> i don't know anyting
[01:40] <Adydas> is it back?
[01:40] <paul__> open in new window it says
[01:40] <paul__> or do nothing?
[01:40] <hellcattrav> hence my repetitive questions\
[01:40] <Adydas> go to new windows paul__
[01:41] <paul__> yep?
[01:41] <Sanne> hellcattrav: please type my name when you talk to me. You can type Sa<tab> to use tab completion
[01:41] <paul__> oh its done it :D
[01:41] <Adydas> Sanne:  might be easyer to pastebin back what it should be for him..
[01:41] <Adydas> i want to but due to java cant
[01:41] <paul__> now to test
[01:41] <hellcattrav> Sanne: lines 33-40 weas already there
[01:41] <paul__> so how do i copy from the cd adydas?
[01:41] <paul__> to the pc to test
[01:41] <Sanne> hellcattrav: I would remove 34 to 40, so you have only one of those lines.
[01:41] <cpk1> paul__: drag and drop
[01:42] <Adydas> drag and drop like windows
[01:42] <hellcattrav> ok\
[01:42] <paul__> onto the desktop?
[01:42] <hellcattrav> Sanne: ok
[01:42] <Adydas> why not
[01:42] <apallo_> !ubotu ati
[01:42] <Adydas> to start and test
[01:42] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:42] <cpk1> paul__: wherever the hell you want them
[01:42] <paul__> lol ok
[01:42] <paul__> its worked
[01:42] <Sanne> hellcattrav: and take out the leading space from line 26
[01:42] <paul__> thankyou for your  help adydas
[01:42] <Adydas> now play it with amarok
[01:42] <paul__> yes its playuing
[01:42] <paul__> :)
[01:42] <Adydas> Enjoy!
[01:43] <paul__> thanks mate adydas :)
[01:43] <Adydas> hmm lunch time me thinks..
[01:43] <hellcattrav> what about 31
[01:43] <paul__> lunch time?
[01:43] <paul__> its 12:45 am here
[01:43] <Adydas> paul__: dont forget to thank cpk1
[01:43] <paul__> :O
[01:43] <paul__> lol
[01:43] <Adydas> its 13:00 here
[01:43] <paul__> thanks cpk1 lol
[01:43] <Adydas> Wednesday lunchtime
[01:43] <paul__> dude where u from
[01:43] <paul__> adydas where form?
[01:44] <Sanne> hellcattrav: wlet's leave it for now, we want to get Opera first. When you're done editing, please save amd pastebin again, just to be sure.
[01:44] <hellcattrav> Sanne: taking out leading space in line 26 aye aye
[01:44] <Adydas> paul__: http://www.newzealand.com/travel
[01:44] <FabioBr> Hi, i'm having a problem with my tv tuner card, it doesn't appears on dmesg or lspci command. Kernel is recognize it or i have to recompile kernel with the correct modules???
[01:44] <paul__> no waqys im from UK
[01:44] <paul__> uk people r idiots like me lol
[01:44] <Adydas> im UK born
[01:44] <paul__> all i have to say from this experience is fuck bill gates!
[01:44] <Adydas> Midlands, Solihull
[01:44] <paul__> im from suffolk
[01:44] <apallo_> is there a flgrfx (sp?) driver for ati-mobility 7500?
[01:44] <paul__> east anglia
[01:45] <hellcattrav> sanne: which of line 33-40 odd was i to take out?
[01:45] <Sanne> hellcattrav: 33 to 40 are all the same, so delete all but one of them.
[01:46] <hellcattrav> ok
[01:46] <paul__> cya guys thanks for help tonight
[01:46] <paul__> seeya ADYDAS AND CPK
[01:46] <BluesKaj> apallo_, yup fglrx : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-d8c6fd05bce340dfc3ad483abf0e18997868540b
[01:47] <istill316> howdy
[01:47] <chrissgee> /mode $me +x
[01:48] <apallo_> thanks!
[01:48] <apallo_> :)
[01:48] <istill316> having trouble installing flash for firefox. any suggestions?
[01:48] <Adydas> istill316: have you got the flash gunzip?
[01:48] <hellcattrav> Sanne: here is v3 of my sources list:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6788/
[01:48] <istill316> I believe so...
[01:49] <cpk1> istill316: you running amd64 or just regular 32bit?
[01:49] <istill316> 32
[01:50] <cpk1> istill316: you can get flash using APT
[01:50] <cpk1> !flash
[01:50] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:50] <Sanne> hellcattrav: 32 and 33 are still double, and line 26 still has a leading space, but let's just try to get opera first. Please type: sudo apt-get update
[01:50] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[01:50] <hellcattrav> ok
[01:50] <istill316> I'm using feisty
[01:50] <hellcattrav> will you like me to save my soucres list?
[01:51] <istill316> incidentally, about:plugins claims that it is installed
[01:51] <Sanne> hellcattrav: yes, first it has to be saved.
[01:51] <cpk1> istill316: you probably just need to enable multiverse and univers
[01:51] <hellcattrav> OK
[01:51] <hellcattrav> sorry bout caps
[01:51] <cpk1> istill316: then it probably s?
[01:51] <istill316> and it never asks me to install it anymore: it just doesn't work
[01:52] <istill316> I tried installing via Adobe's install method, but that didn't work at all.
[01:52] <hellcattrav> can i use aptitude, or must i use apt-get?
[01:52] <istill316> then installing via adept got me to where I am now
[01:52] <hellcattrav> Sanne: read somewhere that Aptitude is better?
[01:52] <Sanne> hellcattrav: you can use aptitude. I didn't use it because I don't know it, but you may, if you want.
[01:52] <cpk1> aptitude can do alot more technical things
[01:52] <hellcattrav> ok
[01:53] <Adydas> Sanne: same as me eh..
[01:53] <Sanne> hellcattrav: if something goes wrong with it, I'm sure cpk1 will help ;)
[01:53] <Sanne> Adydas: heh :)
[01:53] <Adydas> To long in the tooth to start with somthign new
[01:53] <hellcattrav> bugger
[01:53] <hellcattrav> ill just use apt-get
[01:53] <cpk1> i used to only use apt-get but aptitude can do tons of cool things
[01:54] <cpk1> and there isnt really any excuse not to use aptitude since the commands are the same
[01:54] <hellcattrav> Ok cpk1: how do i use aptitude?
[01:54] <Adydas> its not the same
[01:54] <hellcattrav> if i want to run what sanne just told me to?
[01:54] <Adydas> its longer :p
[01:54] <Sanne> cpk1: the current step is update the package list
[01:54] <cpk1> sudo aptitude update
[01:54] <graft> one letter?
[01:55] <graft> are you one of those people who says 'u' and '4'?
[01:55] <cpk1> actually with apt-get you need to type apt-g with aptitude you only need to type apti
[01:55] <Adydas> me ?
[01:55] <graft> yeah
[01:55] <Adydas> Nope
[01:55] <Adydas> you assume i use tab
[01:55] <graft> you're complaining about aptitude being longer, and yet you don't use tab
[01:55] <hellcattrav> cpkl: so what do do?
[01:55] <graft> unlikely
[01:55] <Adydas> again.. somthing i should do for using apt i do for other stuff and irc..
[01:56] <CVirus> !squid
[01:56] <cpk1> hellcattrav: sudo aptitude update and then sudo aptitude install nameofpackage
[01:56] <ubotu> squid: Internet Object Cache (WWW proxy cache). In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.1-3ubuntu1.2 (edgy), package size 594 kB, installed size 1544 kB
[01:56] <hellcattrav> ok
[01:56] <hellcattrav> Sanne: im doing sudo aptitude update right now
[01:57] <Sanne> hellcattrav: ok
[01:57] <hellcattrav> whole lot of stuff came up
[01:57] <hellcattrav> not sure  what...
[01:57] <Adydas> the word error in there?
[01:57] <Sanne> hellcattrav: it tells you that it fetches the package lists from all those ubuntu repositories you have in your sources.list
[01:57] <hellcattrav> oh
[01:58] <hellcattrav> ok
[01:58] <Sanne> hellcattrav: if there are no errors, it should be fine. Try: sudo aptitide install opera
[01:58] <hellcattrav> it said that i have duplicate soucres...here ill just pastebin this bit...
[01:58] <mukhlis> #banjarmasin
[01:58] <Sanne> hellcattrav: ah ok
[01:58] <hellcattrav> i don't see errors
[01:58] <hellcattrav> just a sec
[01:59] <Sanne> hellcattrav: I bet it's because of the still present dupes of lines 32 and 33
[01:59] <hellcattrav> want a second opinion :)
[01:59] <hellcattrav> possibly
[01:59] <Boris_> I have some questions about Ubuntu
[02:00] <Boris_> I am a newbie to it
[02:00] <hellcattrav> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6792/
[02:00] <Adydas> Ask away then
[02:00] <hellcattrav> ok
[02:00] <saunders> hi all
[02:00] <Boris_> where do I find more apps for it except the add\remove section????
[02:00] <saunders> yo adydas its paul again lol
[02:00] <Adydas> i figured as much.. :P
[02:00] <Adydas> saunders has joined this channel (n=paul@host8
[02:00] <saunders> what tprogram can i use for downloading mp3s etc?
[02:00] <saunders> open file source sharing?
[02:01] <Boris_> sure
[02:01] <Adydas> saunders: there it a torrent program with kde
[02:01] <Sanne> hellcattrav: yup, I think it's what I suspected. So remove one of the dupe lines.
[02:01] <Adydas> Ktorrent
[02:01] <saunders> yer i shud just use that the adydas? byu the way its paul
[02:01] <saunders> the amarok works gr8 lol
[02:01] <Adydas> yeah i use that
[02:01] <hellcattrav> ok
[02:01] <hellcattrav> removing now
[02:01] <Adydas> torrentbox.com
[02:01] <saunders> wud i use it in the same way as windows?
[02:01] <hellcattrav> how do i open kate again?
[02:01] <saunders> got to torrentz.com
[02:01] <saunders> or sumwhere
[02:01] <Boris_> will the RIAA\MPAA catch me if I use torrents?
[02:02] <saunders> and save em then open them in bittorrent
[02:02] <Adydas> Boris_: what do you mean find appz?
[02:02] <Sanne> hellcattrav: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:02] <hellcattrav> k
[02:02] <Boris_> for example, I saw cpu graphs on the side of the screen in screenshots
[02:02] <Adydas> ah Boris_ you need superkaraba
[02:02] <Adydas> !superkaramba
[02:02] <ubotu> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[02:02] <saunders> adydas do i need any form of spyware programs to keep me safe etc?
[02:03] <hellcattrav> Sanne: whats kdesu?
[02:03] <Boris_> ok, I'll try it
[02:03] <saunders> or dont u get all that on liiiinux stuff
[02:03] <saunders> or kubuntu soz
[02:03] <cpk1> !kdesu
[02:03] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[02:03] <Adydas> saunders: i think its only windows that suffers from that stuff
[02:03] <hellcattrav> oh
[02:03] <Boris_> problem is, I'm a complete noob
[02:03] <saunders> do u use anything ?
[02:03] <hellcattrav> ok
[02:03] <Sanne> hellcattrav: it's the preferred way to run gui applications with sudo eights.
[02:03] <Sanne> rights
[02:03] <Adydas> Boris_: i think you can apt-get install it and then just add what you want via the program
[02:03] <saunders> surely if ya going onto a site which u know has spyware wud still put spyware on ya pc
[02:04] <graft> woah... utf16 looks... different from utf8
[02:04] <saunders> as an example that was
[02:04] <Boris_> so I just goto the website, and it will automatically install?
[02:04] <Boris_> I dont need sudo or sh scripts?
[02:04] <Adydas> Boris_:
[02:04] <hellcattrav> sanne: hopefully this cleared the dupes?  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6794/
[02:04] <graft> haha... spyware on linux
[02:04] <graft> saunders: welcome to the real world
[02:04] <graft> don't worry about that stuff
[02:04] <saunders> mate i dont know do i
[02:05] <Adydas> Boris_: sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[02:05] <graft> no viruses, no spyware
[02:05] <saunders> people have top start sumwhere
[02:05] <saunders> so online banking no worries getting fucked over?
[02:05] <Sanne> hellcattrav: just leave kate and the file open, you won't need to close it, so you can edit it again if need be.
[02:05] <graft> well... you'll still get spam
[02:05] <Adydas> saunders: your fine :P
[02:05] <hellcattrav> oh
[02:05] <saunders> even if i visit same site graft?
[02:05] <hellcattrav> i thouht i had to close it
[02:05] <graft> so... if you get spam e-mail with bad links in it and you follow that...
[02:05] <saunders> im learning my way around guys
[02:06] <hellcattrav> me too...sorry if ive been such a pest today
[02:06] <graft> saunders: no one is going to sniff your bank password, if that's what you mean
[02:06] <saunders> wont they do that on unbuntu
[02:06] <saunders> lol
[02:06] <saunders> in other wordxs
[02:06] <saunders> lol
[02:06] <Sanne> hellcattrav: you only have to close any gui package managers like adept or synaptic if you want to use aptitude from the command line. But you can leave the sources.list loaded in kate (at least I think so, we'll see soon)
[02:06] <Adydas> Boris_: is this what your talking about, if so i have the program open showing the new stuff button and how easy to install things it is.
[02:06] <Adydas> http://adydas.net/linux/eyecandy.png
[02:06] <Boris_> ok
[02:06] <hellcattrav> Sanne: ahh hah ok
[02:07] <hellcattrav> so what next
[02:07] <Sanne> hellcattrav: please take out the space from the beginning of line 26 (finally!!)
[02:07] <hellcattrav> Sanne: I will save my soucres list, but still try to....lok
[02:07] <hellcattrav> ok
[02:07] <saunders> what do i use to stream things?
[02:07] <Adydas> Boris_: so do as my other message said, sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[02:07] <saunders> i.e porn lol?
[02:07] <Adydas> and your away
[02:08] <Adydas> saunders: vlc
[02:08] <saunders> cheers man
[02:08] <Sanne> hellcattrav: after that, dave (don't close) and try again: sudo aptitude update
[02:08] <graft> saunders: vlc or mplayer are both good streaming media players
[02:08] <Adydas> saunders: sudo apt-get install vlc
[02:08] <hellcattrav> ok
[02:08] <graft> personally i prefer mplayer
[02:08] <Sanne> hellcattrav: s/dave/save
[02:08] <hellcattrav> trying sudo...
[02:08] <graft> haven't found anything that it can't do
[02:08] <Adydas> graft: same.. but i think vlcs easyer
[02:08] <Sanne> hellcattrav: you need to open another konsole
[02:08] <saunders> soz where download VLC
[02:08] <saunders> how get to that thing again
[02:09] <hellcattrav> Sanne: i do?
[02:09] <hellcattrav> ok
[02:09] <Sanne> hellcattrav: yes, the other one is occupied with kate
[02:09] <hellcattrav> oh
[02:09] <Adydas> saunders: sudo apt-get install mplayer xmms-xmmplayer vlc
[02:09] <hellcattrav> actually it jsut says kate
[02:09] <Adydas> that will install both vlc AND mplayer
[02:09] <hellcattrav> im typing the commnds into something that says username@my laptop name
[02:09] <Sanne> hellcattrav: just open a now konsole and do sudo aptitude update
[02:10] <saunders> when u give me all this code adydas
[02:10] <hellcattrav> ok
[02:10] <saunders> ive been typing it in the run command
[02:10] <saunders> like just adept
[02:10] <saunders> works in same manner i guess
[02:10] <apallo_> !ubotu xvid
[02:10] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:10] <Adydas> it is the same i belive
[02:10] <Adydas> just adept is a graphical version of apt-get
[02:10] <saunders> so apt-get is same as =adept?
[02:10] <hellcattrav> Sanne: its done
[02:10] <graft> saunders: you mean the alt-f2 runner thingy?
[02:10] <Sanne> saunders: better use konsole so you will get errors printed out
[02:10] <Adydas> yes its jsut a gui(graphical) versoin
[02:10] <Sanne> hellcattrav: what did it say?
[02:11] <saunders> ok m8
[02:11] <hellcattrav> want me to pastebin all of it?
[02:11] <Adydas> saunders: so sudo apt-get install mplayer xmms-xmmplayer vlc
[02:11] <Sanne> hellcattrav: if you can
[02:11] <Adydas> and youll be gravey
[02:11] <hellcattrav> ill try
[02:11] <saunders> thanks adydas
[02:11] <saunders> im getting into this now
[02:12] <saunders> more fun dan windows!
[02:12] <saunders> lol
[02:12] <Adydas> OMG YAY JED!!!
[02:12] <saunders> ..
[02:12] <Adydas> saunders: if you want to find things to install try apt-cache search whatyoursearchingfor
[02:12] <hellcattrav> yeah i like this better then windows too
[02:12] <saunders> sand use that in konsole?
[02:13] <Adydas> yes
[02:13] <saunders> so for instance apt-cache search vlc
[02:13] <saunders> ?
[02:13] <hellcattrav> Sanne: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6797/
[02:13] <Adydas> bingo
[02:13] <Adydas> do it saunders
[02:13] <Adydas> see what it says
[02:13] <saunders> mate im learning all thanks to you!
[02:13] <Adydas> it will display all programs you can install that relate to your serach
[02:13] <saunders> wicked
[02:13] <Adydas> you can use it to find things you want not just spacific programs
[02:14] <saunders> yay man time for a fucking huge wank cheers lads cya!
[02:14] <Adydas> ie apt-cache search media player
[02:14] <cpk1> another thing cool about aptitude is if you try to install a package that doesnt exist it can sometimes tell you the package that you were trying to get
[02:14] <Adydas> cpk1: admitadly that could be handy
[02:14] <Sanne> hellcattrav: that looks healthy! Good job! Now tra: sudo aptitude install opera
[02:14] <hellcattrav> ok
[02:15] <saunders> i done it adydas
[02:15] <saunders> got list of stuff
[02:15] <hellcattrav> ok its working..
[02:15] <hellcattrav> 4%]  :)
[02:15] <Sanne> hellcattrav: haha
[02:15] <Adydas> saunders: if you want to install something from the list do so with apt-get install packagename
[02:15] <saunders> wicked
[02:15] <saunders> so for instance
[02:16] <saunders> apt-cache search mozilla
[02:16] <saunders> apt-get install mozilla
[02:16] <saunders> ?
[02:16] <saunders> xcorrect ady?
[02:16] <Adydas> yes and no, when you search it will output the full packages
[02:16] <saunders> ok
[02:17] <saunders> shit loadsa files uinder mozilla!
[02:17] <saunders> lol
[02:17] <hellcattrav> can i get rid of the parts of kubuntu(the kde bits) that i don't want, but keep the stuff f i do...and does GNOME have any thing like kontact?
[02:17] <graft> !language | saunders
[02:17] <ubotu> saunders: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[02:17] <cpk1> hellcattrav: the gome equivalent of kontact is evolution
[02:17] <Adydas> saunders: yeah theres a few packages, so apt-get install mozilla will work
[02:17] <hellcattrav> cpk1: i thought evolution was an email client, no?
[02:17] <Adydas> but if you want a ftp bookmark mozliia program youd install the package mozilla-bookmarksftp - Mozilla Firefox extension to synchronize bookmarks as an eg
[02:18] <saunders> soz for swearing!
[02:18] <Adydas> hellcattrav: kmail
[02:18] <cpk1> hellcattrav: kontact is an email client too isnt? =)
[02:19] <saunders> is kubuntu internet faster because the internet can be open
[02:19] <saunders> and it aint firewalled etc etc
[02:19] <cpk1> no
[02:19] <saunders> ?
[02:19] <hellcattrav> cpk1: is it?  i just use the calander bit...(at least i tired too, but im also trying to switch from kde to GNOME,so what do i know?
[02:19] <cpk1> and if you are connected to a router you are probably going through a firewall still
[02:19] <saunders> true
[02:19] <saunders> y it faster then
[02:19] <saunders> seems to be on downloads
[02:20] <Wolfe> yo necesito ayuda
[02:20] <Adydas> it might work somewhat faster as a result of how linux uses the computers resources over windows however
[02:20] <Sanne> hellcattrav: you can try to uninstall stuff. Sometimes more will get removed because packages depend on each other. aptitude may remove more than apt-get, I don't know.
[02:20] <cpk1> hellcattrav: iirc evolution is a contact suite just like kontact
[02:20] <hellcattrav> Sanne: how do i know if its done?
[02:20] <hellcattrav> Sanne: yeah apptitude does remove more
[02:20] <Sanne> hellcattrav: you should get back your prompt (username@computername$)
[02:21] <Sanne> hellcattrav: what does it say now?
[02:21] <hellcattrav> Sanne: setting up opera (9.10-20061214.6ubuntu2)....
[02:21] <hellcattrav> Sanne: that is the last line i see
[02:22] <Sanne> hellcattrav: then it has finished downloading and is now installing
[02:22] <Adydas> cpk1: Dont supposed youd know if i can run a seperate xorg.conf for differnt users would you?
[02:22] <Wolfe> someone help please
[02:22] <Wolfe> i was just here with the error 'uknown interuption or fault' and someone suggested the alt cd
[02:22] <Adydas> Wolfe:  help what?
[02:22] <Wolfe> i used the alt cd, but i get the same error, and it only shows installation methods
[02:23] <hellcattrav> ok
[02:23] <hellcattrav> so i need to wait for some sort of completeion message?
[02:23] <Adydas> i think its done
[02:23] <Adydas> try typing opera hellcattrav
[02:23] <Adydas> or checking in the list under internet for opera
[02:23] <hellcattrav> Sanne: can i get the knotes on start up?
[02:24] <Wolfe> any idea Adydas?
[02:24] <hellcattrav> ok
[02:24] <Sanne> hellcattrav: it shouldn't take long, it just unpacks the files, copies them to their locations, and maybe adds some config files.
[02:24] <hellcattrav> Sanne: it appears
[02:24] <Sanne> hellcattrav: what appears?
[02:24] <hellcattrav> im going to try opera...wish me luck folks....
[02:24] <Adydas> it should load with some licence stuff
[02:24] <Sanne> hellcattrav: good luck :)
[02:24] <manchicken> Why would you try opera?
[02:25] <Adydas> beacuse hes had no luck else where
[02:25] <Wolfe> so no body knows of a way to help me
[02:25] <hellcattrav> because voice is cool adn im a lazy bastard :)
[02:25] <Wolfe> yahoo!
[02:25] <Adydas> Wolfe: what question?
[02:25] <Wolfe> i was just here with the error 'uknown interuption or fault' and someone suggested the alt cd
[02:25] <Wolfe> i used the alt cd, but i get the same error, and it only shows installation methods
[02:25] <Sanne> hellcattrav: does opera start?
[02:25] <Adydas> Sanne: i hope it does
[02:26] <Adydas> what error, what cd?
[02:26] <hellcattrav> Sanne:  we have lift off
[02:26] <Wolfe> the image
[02:26] <Sanne> hellcattrav: hahaaa
[02:26] <Wolfe> and unknown interuption or fault at EIP
[02:26] <saunders> can i use Kontact to recive and send hotmail?
[02:26] <Wolfe> followed by numbers and letters
[02:26] <Adydas> Belive so
[02:26] <hellcattrav> Sanne: now how do i remove firefox and all the other errata that i don't want?
[02:26] <Adydas> saunders: try kmail to i thnk its good
[02:26] <graft> Wolfe: try #ubuntu, there's probably more people there who know about how the kernel is built
[02:26] <Sanne> hellcattrav: depends on how you installed firefox
[02:26] <Adydas> hellcattrav: sudo apt-get remove firefox
[02:26] <Adydas> oh
[02:26] <Wolfe> graft... can you link me to the bug thing
[02:27] <Wolfe> again, i lost the link
[02:27] <graft> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/71594
[02:27] <saunders> casn i use it to get hotmail emails anyone?
[02:27] <hellcattrav> Adydas: thanks
[02:27] <cpk1> hellcattrav: iirc if you want gnome then you should keep firefox installed
[02:27] <Malay_Linux> Assalamualaikum w.b.t.
[02:27] <Malay_Linux> Good morning
[02:27] <Adydas> hellcattrav: wait, sorry as said it depends if you used apt0get to install or not
[02:27] <hellcattrav> cpk1: but its not working...hence why i wanted a different broser
[02:27] <Malay_Linux> I am using Kubuntu Linux 6.10 Edgy Eft\
[02:27] <hellcattrav> i can't remember
[02:27] <cpk1> hellcattrav: whats wrong with it?
[02:27] <hellcattrav> it crashes
[02:28] <Adydas> saunders: yes, but also check out kamil
[02:28] <Adydas> kmail
[02:28] <hellcattrav> on viewing any/most webpages
[02:28] <saunders> how do i set up to do with hotmail on kontact adydas?
[02:28] <cpk1> hellcattrav: you installed it with apt?
[02:28] <saunders> i will check that later m8
[02:28] <Adydas> i dont know, i dont use it.. I use kamil
[02:28] <Adydas> kmail dammit!!
[02:28] <saunders> with kmail u can then?
[02:28] <Adydas> i havent set it up but yes..
[02:28] <cpk1> kontact is kmail
[02:29] <cpk1> if hotmail allows it then you can
[02:29] <hellcattrav> cpk1: did you not see my posts lamenting my shitty use of firefox so far..and im not sure i think i might have, just done so much in the last couple of days that i don't remember what i installed what with this or that...
[02:29] <Adydas> Or maybe not..
[02:29] <saunders> after apt cache.. what then to install adydas?
[02:29] <saunders> forgot
[02:29] <Adydas> its installed to kubuntu by default
[02:30] <Adydas> try running kmail first
[02:30] <saunders> oh lol
[02:30] <saunders> kmail is what im on then lol
[02:30] <saunders> says mail-kontact up top of its window toolbar
[02:31] <cpk1> thats kmail
[02:31] <saunders> thats kmail then cpk?
[02:31] <saunders> how set up with hotmail?
[02:31] <saunders> i tryed earlier with no sucess lol
[02:31] <Adydas> hotmail may not allow use of it
[02:31] <sampan> does hotmail allow pop connections?  i thought it didn't -- or at least it didn't use to allow them.
[02:31] <saunders> not sure?
[02:31] <Adydas> windows would allow it via outlook express
[02:31] <saunders> i wanna find out tho!
[02:31] <saunders> lol
[02:31] <Adydas> because its both microsoft :p
[02:32] <sampan> lol adydas ... probably ... anyone wanna try running outlook express with wine?  *SNORT*
[02:32] <cpk1> you would have to figure out the pop stuff from hotmails faq's or something
[02:32] <istill316> "Another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one."
[02:32] <saunders> hmm but i use msn messenger u see
[02:32] <saunders> obviously kopete
[02:32] <Adydas> thats fine
[02:32] <hellcattrav> cpk1? could i uninstall it with aptitude then?
[02:32] <apallo_> !ubotu xvid
[02:32] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:33] <Adydas> sampan: yeah, arse to that..
[02:33] <sampan> :D
[02:33] <Adydas> istill316: somthing else is using apt
[02:33] <Jucato> !adeptfix | istill316
[02:33] <ubotu> istill316: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[02:33] <cpk1> hellcattrav: of course but like i said i think there are some gnome apps that use it for some dependencies, aptitude will tell you what its doing before it acts though
[02:33] <istill316> it does it immediately after starting
[02:33] <Adydas> oh
[02:33] <Adydas> then as above
[02:33] <hellcattrav> ok
[02:33] <Adydas> saunders: as highlighted you could try and use wine
[02:34] <hellcattrav> ill try that
[02:34] <Adydas> But i doubt youd want to..
[02:34] <hellcattrav> whats the remove command?
[02:34] <hellcattrav> is it -get?
[02:35] <Adydas> apt-get remove packagename
[02:35] <hellcattrav> ok...
[02:35] <Jucato> or Adept -> right-click -> Request Remove....
[02:35] <Boris_> I have a question, I downloaded the superkaramba tar file, where do I extract it?
[02:36] <cpk1> aptitude removve
[02:36] <hellcattrav> whats the aptitude verision?
[02:36] <hellcattrav> thank
[02:36] <cpk1> remove*
[02:36] <posingaspopular> !tar
[02:36] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[02:36] <Boris_> where should I extract the file to?
[02:37] <Boris_> I need the linux equivelent of "Program Files"
[02:37] <istill316> works! thanks!
[02:37] <Adydas> Boris_:  use apt
[02:37] <piro_> there isnt one
[02:37] <cpk1> Boris_: you shouldnt have to untar it to install it for superkaramba usually
[02:37] <graft> Boris_: superkaramba is in the repository
[02:37] <Adydas> Boris_: sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[02:37] <graft> !info superkaramba
[02:37] <ubotu> superkaramba: a program based on karamba improving the eyecandy of KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 515 kB, installed size 1408 kB
[02:37] <piro_> just extract to your home directory
[02:37] <graft> although, frankly, superkaramba sucks
[02:37] <graft> since no one has made any widgets worth a damn
[02:38] <Adydas> whats better
[02:38] <soulrider> superkaramba is good, but there not any really good widgets
[02:38] <Boris_> then what should I use? I need graphs and transparent windows
[02:38] <hellcattrav> cpk1:  it said unable to lock administration directory( /var/lib/dpkg) are you root?
[02:38] <Adydas> hellcattrav: use sudo
[02:38] <hellcattrav> oh
[02:38] <cpk1> hellcattrav: obviously you need sudo just like with apt-get
[02:38] <hellcattrav> i get it
[02:38] <graft> Boris_: what sort of graphs?
[02:38] <hellcattrav> sorry *bangs head on desk*
[02:38] <Boris_> cpu load, swap, etc.
[02:39] <graft> and transparent windows is more like the kind of thing you'd get with beryl
[02:39] <Adydas> kubuntu monitor Boris_
[02:39] <cpk1> superkaramba does fine with that
[02:39] <Boris_> so I should look for "kubuntu monitor" on the website?
[02:39] <cpk1> and you can edit the widgets to suit your taste
[02:39] <hellcattrav> it said score is -129? whats that mean?
[02:39] <Adydas> use superkaramab its self Boris_
[02:39] <soulrider> Boris_: you could try conky
[02:39] <soulrider> !conky
[02:39] <ubotu> conky: highly configurable system monitor for X based on torsmo. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.2-1 (edgy), package size 118 kB, installed size 376 kB
[02:40] <Boris_> what sys. specs do I need to run these apps?
[02:40] <Adydas> Boris_:  Look here
[02:40] <Adydas> http://adydas.net/linux/eyecandy.png
[02:40] <graft> Boris_: don't worry about that, most linux apps are very light-weight
[02:40] <Adydas> is that kinda what your after?
[02:40] <Wolfe> hey! #ubuntu was very helpful
[02:40] <Wolfe> thanks
[02:40] <Boris_> I just installed ubuntu onto my old comp. 700MHz 256MB RAM
[02:41] <chrissgee> hello, I'm a newb in need of a little wireless help
[02:41] <Adydas> Boris_: if it is, install superkaramba and then use it via " get new stuff "
[02:41] <Adydas> and it loads a window you can select what you want
[02:42] <Sanne> nice, Adydas. Pretty warm cpu, is this your idle temp?
[02:42] <Adydas> 51 degrees?
[02:42] <Adydas> sorry 54?
[02:42] <Wolfe> graft: thanks
[02:42] <Sanne> Adydas: oh, it's GPU
[02:42] <Adydas> thats the CPU i belive..
[02:42] <Adydas> G sorry
[02:42] <Adydas> yeah
[02:42] <Sanne> haha
[02:43] <Adydas> its a bit of a warm day
[02:43] <Adydas> as you can see, but its even warmer trapped in my room
[02:43] <hellcattrav> cpk1: it says score -129 is that bad?
[02:43] <Adydas> *sweats*
[02:43] <Sanne> Adydas: I can't see the CPU temp
[02:43] <Adydas> Sanne: its not displayed
[02:43] <Sanne> Adydas: ah, that's why ;)
[02:44] <Adydas> im not aware of any cpu temp widgets
[02:45] <Sanne> Adydas: I'm using a panel applet for temps
[02:45] <cpk1> hellcattrav: read what it says its going to do, if thats ok with you then go ahead
[02:45] <cpk1> i cant make decisions for you on how to run your machine
[02:45] <uranther> what's the package name for pygtkmoz?
[02:46] <Sanne> uranther: most likely python-something. pyqt for example is python-qt3
[02:46] <Adydas> How do you know if your hard drive supports temp out put?
[02:46] <graft> Wolfe: what happened?
[02:46] <uranther> hm
[02:47] <uranther> the sf.net page for pygtkmoz says it's under gnome-python-extras
[02:47] <uranther> but that's also not there
[02:47] <Sanne> Adydas: I tried with hddtemp
[02:47] <uranther> oh ok python-gnome2-extras
[02:47] <uranther> touche
[02:48] <ramin> boobs
[02:49] <Adydas> Sanne: dam you
[02:49] <Sanne> Adydas: oh?
[02:49] <Adydas> youve made me try and find something now
[02:49] <cpk1> kstatus shows cpu temp i thik
[02:50] <Sanne> Adydas: bad news?
[02:50] <cpk1> my widget shows cpu temp but i've edited it a little
[02:50] <hellcattrav> cpk1: seems alright to me, i just didn't know if -129 was bad
[02:50] <Boris_> ok, so I have the superkaramba package in /desktop
[02:50] <Adydas> no kstatus
[02:51] <Adydas> Boris_: Did you do sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[02:51] <Boris_> I cd'ed to it in command prompt
[02:51] <Boris_> I did sudo apt-get install superkaramba-0.39.tar.gz
[02:51] <Boris_> said it could not find package
[02:51] <Adydas> no
[02:51] <Adydas> do as i said here
[02:51] <Admiral_Chicago> Boris_: no, that's not how you instal things
[02:52] <Boris_> howto install?
[02:52] <Adydas> sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[02:52] <Admiral_Chicago> Boris_: ^^ what Adydas  saih
[02:52] <Adydas> just type the above, as it is.. ignoreing what ever youve downloaded from where ever
[02:52] <hellcattrav> ok, off to see if house is on the telly
[02:52] <Adydas> House annoys me
[02:52] <graft> Boris_: that installs from ubuntu's internet repository of software, which is the normal place to get stuff... you can search it with apt-cache search <thing you're interested in>
[02:52] <Sanne> Boris_: when you have a moment, you might want to read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories
[02:53] <Boris_> ok, I did it, but got error:
[02:53] <Adydas> Boris_: did you do 'sudo apt-get install superkaramba'
[02:53] <Adydas> ok now we can help
[02:53] <Adydas> whats the error
[02:53] <Adydas> !pastebin
[02:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:53] <Boris_> could not open lock file var lib dpkg lock
[02:53] <Adydas> use that website to show us.
[02:53] <Boris_> Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[02:53] <Boris_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[02:53] <Adydas> did u type sudo at the start?
[02:53] <Jucato> Boris_: if Adept is still open, please close it before using apt-get
[02:54] <Adydas> Jucato: lack of sudo
[02:54] <Jucato> Boris_: also, sudo
[02:54] <Jucato> yeah saw that :)
[02:54] <Adydas> sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[02:54] <Boris_> its says it could not find package
[02:54] <vas> whuts Bash delete command
[02:55] <Adydas> hahah
[02:55] <Adydas> dejahvu
[02:55] <cpk1> !superkaramba
[02:55] <ubotu> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[02:55] <Sanne> :)
[02:55] <vas> ?
[02:55] <Adydas> vas: rm
[02:55] <vas> thnx
[02:55] <Adydas> rm -rf filename or folder
[02:55] <fakepatriot> !nvidia
[02:55] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:56] <Boris_> it says this: E: Couldn't find package superkaramba
[02:56] <KaoticEvil> does anyone have a ZyXel AG-225H USB wireless adapter?
[02:56] <Adydas> Boris_: try
[02:56] <Adydas> sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[02:56] <Adydas> to confirm
[02:57] <Boris_> says same error message
[02:57] <Boris_> could not find package
[02:57] <Jucato> !info superkaramba
[02:57] <ubotu> superkaramba: a program based on karamba improving the eyecandy of KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 515 kB, installed size 1408 kB
[02:57] <vas> can someone give me an example of how to delete a folder from Bash
[02:57] <Jucato> is the universe repository enabled?
[02:57] <Adydas> vas:
[02:57] <Adydas> as above
[02:57] <vas> I hae bash in the folder containing the folder I want to delete
[02:57] <Adydas> rm -rf foldername
[02:57] <Jucato> vas: rm -rf folder/
[02:58] <vas> ohh -rf
[02:58] <Adydas> rm filename works
[02:58] <vas> thnx srry to be a pain
[02:58] <Adydas> rm -rf for folders
[02:58] <Jucato> vas: go out of the folder, then rm -rf filename
[02:58] <vas> Adydas: oooh ok i got it now
[02:58] <cpk1> -rf is for super nukage btw
[02:58] <Adydas> Boris_: you need to edit some files
[02:58] <Adydas> yeah
[02:58] <Adydas> totaly do not do just rm -rf as root ever
[02:59] <Adydas> unless u need the /
[02:59] <Adydas> either way you risk wipeing everything
[02:59] <vas> ya that'd prob cause some damage...
[02:59] <Adydas> del *.* styles
[02:59] <Adydas> Boris_: Fancy it then?
[03:00] <Jucato> vas: remember that what you delete in the command line is normally irrecoverable
[03:00] <vas> ya I had to do it that way because it was read only
[03:00] <Adydas> why not make it write?
[03:00] <vas> that was going to be my next question..
[03:00] <vas> how do I change the privelages on a folder
[03:00] <Adydas> chmod 777 filename
[03:01] <cpk1> lol dont do 777
[03:01] <Adydas> chmod 777 folder
[03:01] <Adydas> :P
[03:01] <Jnlmn88na> ciao,qlk  mi da una mano??
[03:01] <Boris_> what files?
[03:01] <Adydas> im so shocking
[03:01] <Adydas> Boris_: sources.list
[03:01] <vas> wait when I install Xampp the HTDOCS is restricted
[03:01] <Adydas> for apt-get
[03:01] <vas> I can't put files in or anything
[03:01] <vas> even with xampp turned off
[03:01] <Jucato> !it | Jnlmn88na
[03:01] <ubotu> Jnlmn88na: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[03:01] <Adydas> i get confuzzled with the hole  thing+ax
[03:01] <Boris_> I'm a total linux noob, how do I do that?
[03:02] <Adydas> Boris_:
[03:02] <Adydas> ok close everything
[03:02] <Adydas> lets start a fresh
[03:02] <Adydas> open a terminal window / konsole window
[03:02] <hellcattrav> Sanne: how can i make opera my default browser, so it doesn't go to firefox?
[03:02] <Adydas> they use the command
[03:02] <Adydas> sudo kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:02] <Adydas> they = then
[03:02] <Jucato> Adydas: sudo kdesu?
[03:03] <Jucato> hellcattrav: System Settings -> Default Applications -> Web Browser
[03:03] <Sanne> hellcattrav: I don't know because I never did that, but I guess somewhere in kubuntu system settings? Dies anybody know?
[03:03] <Adydas> err my bad
[03:03] <vas> wait should I change HTDOCS privelages
[03:03] <vas> they are given to user: nobody group: root
[03:04] <Boris_> says sudo: kdesu: command not found
[03:04] <Adydas> yeah my bad
[03:04] <soulrider> !es
[03:04] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[03:05] <Jucato> Boris_: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:05] <mikes1> Is there an upgraded 2.6.20 kernel release to fix the rebooting problem with some smp pentiums
[03:05] <mikes1> ?
[03:05] <Sanne> going to bed now, by all
[03:05] <Adydas> Boris_: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:05] <hellcattrav> sanne: would it make a difference if i use gnome?
[03:06] <Boris_> error: bash: kdesu: command not found
[03:06] <chrissgee> what is the correct way to ask someone for help?
[03:06] <Sanne> hellcattrav: Jucato gave the solution to default broswer
[03:06] <cpk1> gnome defaults to firefox so even in gnome you would need to figure out how to make opera your default
[03:06] <Adydas> Boris_:  are you using kubuntu?
[03:06] <Sanne> hellcattrav: I don't even less about gnome
[03:06] <hellcattrav> oh
[03:06] <Sanne> know
[03:06] <hellcattrav> hey everyhting you;ve done worked so far
[03:06] <Malay_Linux> hi
[03:07] <Boris_> I'm using Ubuntu, whats the difference?
[03:07] <Adydas> its gnome based
[03:07] <Adydas> knot kde based
[03:07] <Sanne> hellcattrav: great! :)
[03:07] <Adydas> hence why kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list isnt working
[03:07] <Malay_Linux> Assalamualaikum w.b.t.
[03:07] <Malay_Linux> Good morning
[03:07] <Malay_Linux> I am using Kubuntu Linux 6.10 Edgy Eft\
[03:07] <Adydas> Not you
[03:07] <Sanne> hellcattrav: but I'm off now, have fun, good luck, bye for now
[03:07] <Boris_> sorry, I just installed Linux
[03:07] <Adydas> Boris_: thats cool
[03:08] <Boris_> I'm never going back to m$
[03:08] <Adydas> Boris_: join #ubuntu
[03:08] <Boris_> ok
[03:08] <mikes1> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7945
[03:08] <Adydas> they should be able to help a tad more
[03:08] <mikes1> there a fix for this/
[03:08] <Adydas> !kde
[03:08] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[03:09] <Adydas> !gnome
[03:09] <ubotu> gnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.
[03:09] <piro_> can one downgrade firefox versions in apt?
[03:11] <Adydas> Is beryl worth that hassel?
[03:12] <Malay_Linux> Hi all
[03:12] <Adydas> Hey
[03:16] <Adydas> chrissgee: you got kubuntu or ubunut
[03:17] <Chappie1776> register
[03:17] <Admiral_Chicago> Adydas: no its not imho
[03:17] <MamanN> halo everyone, pls help how to open lotus 123 .wk1 in ubuntu what app. needed
[03:18] <Adydas> Admiral_Chicago: Didnt think so..
[03:18] <Adydas> trying to find a new somthing to do
[03:18] <Adydas> so much talk it seems all the rage
[03:18] <MamanN> halo everyone, pls help how to open lotus 123 .wk1 in ubuntu what app. needed?
[03:19] <kgx> holy crap...lotus is still exists :O
[03:19] <kgx> MamanN: try open office spreadsheet
[03:19] <MamanN> kgx: i need to save it natively for my old application
[03:19] <Adydas> isnt lotus like WICKED old
[03:20] <Admiral_Chicago> Adydas: its worth a look, but on a testing partition
[03:20] <kgx> yeah retro..i remember how they used to advertise it as being wysiwyg :>
[03:20] <MamanN> I migrate my office to ubuntu,
[03:20] <Adydas> Admiral_Chicago: pass then..
[03:21] <shiv_> how do I know which version of kubuntu I am running
[03:21] <Admiral_Chicago> shiv_: cat /proc/lsb_release iirc
[03:22] <MamanN> we need to use the lotus macro so i cant migrate easily, i dont want waste my time on convert bussiness application
[03:22] <Adydas> !wireless
[03:22] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:22] <Admiral_Chicago> no that's not it
[03:22] <shiv_> Admiral_Chicago, it says no such file or directory
[03:22] <Chappie1776> Hello all,  I have a Gigabyte GA-M55SLI-S4 mobo, 2GB ram, (2) 80 GB SATA drives.  Booted Kubuntu Live and ran install.  Install completed and upon reboot Grub runs and I get the first Kubuntu but the little bar does not move.  After a minute or so I get a shell screen.  I am running two Geforce 7300s in SLI mode.  Any Ideas why I cannot boot?
[03:23] <Adydas> what can you see
[03:23] <Admiral_Chicago> shiv_: sorry that's not it, but I have to run
[03:23] <Adydas> anything?
[03:23] <Adydas> text like dos Chappie1776?
[03:23] <Chappie1776> Yes I see text.  It is some basic shell.  Not bash.
[03:24] <MamanN> Chapie:then go to ctrl+f1
[03:24] <MamanN> Chapie:then go to ctrl+ALt+f1
[03:24] <Adydas> What is X aint working?
[03:24] <MamanN> set ur xserver-xorg
[03:24] <Malay_Linux> I am using Kopete 0.11.1 (using KDE 3.5.2) at Kubuntu Linux 6.10 Edgy Eft
[03:25] <Adydas> maybe his graphics cards not supported / working etc
[03:25] <Admiral_Chicago> Chappie1776: is it called blackbox?
[03:26] <MamanN> Ok All, thanks and good bye
[03:26] <Chappie1776> I see busybox v1.1.3 ..... then I see /bin/sh: can't access tty job control turned off  then next line (initramfs)
[03:26] <Chappie1776> says it is built in shell ASH
[03:27] <Admiral_Chicago> Chappie1776: ya the install failed somewhere...
[03:27] <Admiral_Chicago> had that happen to one install i did, not sure how to fix it
[03:28] <Chappie1776> Ok I will try to disconnect the second SATA drive and remove the second card and try again.
[03:28] <Chappie1776> Admiral does it seem from this message that the machine knows where its files are?
[03:29] <Adydaz> BLAH
[03:29] <Chappie1776> I mean is GRUB pointing to right hard drive partitions.
[03:30] <Adydaz> chrissgee: you there?
[03:30] <Admiral_Chicago> Chappie1776: not sure, what i did was reinstall kubuntu...
[03:31] <Chappie1776> Yeah I did that once already.  I will try simplifying the hardware.  How does linux handle SLI?  Does it?
[03:32] <uranther> what package is python-gtkmoz under?
[03:32] <Adydaz> uranther: try sudo apt-cache search gtkmoz
[03:33] <uranther> this isn't what i'm looking for
[03:33] <uranther> i see ruby bindings
[03:33] <uranther> and cli bindings
[03:33] <Adydaz> what are you trying to do
[03:33] <Adydaz> or install
[03:34] <uranther> trying to install the python module gtkmoz
[03:34] <Adydas> No but what program(s) are you trying to install that require that
[03:35] <uranther> oh, well i'm writing a program in python
[03:36] <Adydas> so its for mozilla?
[03:36] <uranther> yeah
[03:37] <uranther> i'm using the mozilla rendering engine module
[03:37] <Chappie1776> Guys...thanks for the help.  I am out.
[03:37] <Malay_Linux> Anyone from Malaysia
[03:38] <Adydas> uranther: TRY.. python-xpcom
[03:38] <uranther> ok
[03:38] <Adydas> even tho im not sure
[03:38] <CVirus> !masquerade
[03:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about masquerade - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:39] <uranther> err don't see that
[03:39] <Adydas> PyGtkMoz - Python bindings for the GTK+ Mozilla Widget - http://sourceforge.net/projects/pygtkmoz
[03:40] <uranther> just install them from there?
[03:40] <Adydas> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=109612
[03:40] <Adydas> thats the best help im able to give you im sorry
[03:40] <uranther> ok
[03:40] <uranther> thanks
[03:40] <Adydas> downloading this
[03:40] <Gerald> hey guys
[03:41] <Adydas> Package 	Release 	Date 	Notes / Monitor 	Downloads
[03:41] <Adydas> pygtkmoz	0.1	May 17, 2004	 - 	Download
[03:41] <Adydas> may help you more than wehere you are now
[03:41] <Adydas> im sure therd be an apt way to get it but I cant help you with what pacakge you need
[03:41] <Gerald> got a question about Konqueror no one seems to be able to help with
[03:41] <Adydas> try.. even tho i dont use konqueror
[03:42] <Gerald> how do i turn off http referrer logging?
[03:42] <uranther> i have python-gnome2-extras installed
[03:42] <uranther> it should be in there :/
[03:43] <Malay_Linux> Buzz!!!
[03:44] <Gerald> anyone?
[03:44] <Gerald> i cannot find anything of this anywhere on the net, not even in the Konqueror forums
[03:45] <Gerald> here's the question again...
[03:45] <Gerald> how do i turn off http referrer logging in Konqueror?
[03:45] <Adydas> are you sure you CAN?
[03:45] <kristjan_> I somehow screwed up the power manager. now my cpu runs at full power all the time
[03:45] <Gerald> adydas... i've heard you can, but I cannot find anything on it anywhere
[03:46] <Gerald> i wish Konq had a kind of about:config, but it doesn't
[03:46] <Adydas> i would go back the source saying you can
[03:47] <Gerald> can't find the forum or the entry, unfortunately
[03:47] <Gerald> the one thing that should be simple and I cannot even figure it out... been using Linux since '98...sad
[03:51] <kristjan_> Gerald: can you do it in firefox?
[03:51] <Allart> hi
[03:53] <Gerald> kristjan... yes
[03:54] <Gerald> type about:config in the address bar
[03:54] <Gerald> type in ref
[03:54] <dwidmann> Gerald, there is a nice config file for konqui though ... just no GUI about:config window
[03:54] <Gerald> and then toggle http referrer logging to "false"
[03:55] <Gerald> dwidmann, thanks... i'll have a look
[03:57] <dwidmann> ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc
[04:01] <Gerald> dwidmann, thanks
[04:03] <sonyvaio> hi
[04:03] <sonyvaio> who can help me?
[04:03] <sonyvaio> look i need to leave beryl with its defaults options
[04:04] <Jucato> !beryl
[04:04] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:09] <surgy> ok guys i have a problem all of my avi files work except one..... dont point my at ubotu please becuase i allready have all of the codecs..... im also using vlc to play the file can you guys help me? the file works under kl mega codec for windows
[04:09] <Jucato> surgy: doesn't play in kaffeine using xine? have you tried playing with mplayer?
[04:10] <uranther> Adydas: well i was using a deprecated name for the widget..
[04:10] <uranther> using the new one, it segfaults :3
[04:10] <surgy> jucato i hate kaffeine i will try mplayer
[04:10] <kristjan_> surgy: what's the codec the video uses?
[04:10] <Jucato> surgy: kmplayer, btw, can use either xine or mplayer as backends, if you just hated the Kaffeine UI
[04:11] <d03boy> why does the linux community accept such low quality GUIs like kaffeine :P
[04:11] <d03boy> or anything written in gtk
[04:11] <HymnToLife> d03boy, write something better
[04:11] <kristjan_> kaffeine isn't in gtk
[04:11] <Jucato> d03boy: kaffeine is KDE/Qt
[04:12] <Admiral_Chicago> yup
[04:12] <manchicken> d03boy: The linux community is all about the Kernel.  Kaffeine is a KDE program.
[04:12] <kristjan_> anyway mplayer is best
[04:12] <surgy> jucato: i hate everything about kafeine
[04:12] <Jucato> !best
[04:12] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[04:12] <Gerald> remember, freedom first, quality second
[04:12] <Adydas> surgy: used mplayer?
[04:12] <Gerald> likes amarok and vlc
[04:12] <surgy> adydas: no but i have kmplayer now why isnt it in my kdemenu?
[04:13] <Gerald> underdog... you're obviousl;y pro-proprietary software
[04:13] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[04:13] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:13] <Gerald> i'm not
[04:13] <manchicken> Go Admiral_Chicago, you whip out that !offtopic!
[04:13] <surgy> underdog5004: wheres my computer? lol j/k
[04:14] <surgy> anyone wanna tell me why kmplayer isnt in my kde menu?
[04:14] <Jucato> surgy: did you just install it? kmplayer or mplayer?
[04:14] <surgy> after i sudo apt-get install kmplayer
[04:14] <Jucato> btw, installing kmplayer doesn't really install mplayer... (iirc)
[04:15] <Gerald> surgy... sometimes you have to logout/in to see things in the menu..
[04:15] <surgy> oh ok
[04:15] <Jucato> Gerald: not necessary
[04:15] <Gerald> sometimes it is, dude
[04:15] <Jucato> surgy: run "kbuildsycoca" to update the menu in case something doesn't appear immediately
[04:15] <Jucato> Gerald: ^^^
[04:15] <kristjan_> does this kubuntu's power manager plan to get more features. at this moment I can't think of any reason why I should prefer it over good old klaptop?
[04:16] <surgy> what is klaptop?
[04:16] <gansinho> please, does anyone here uses avant-window-manager
[04:17] <Admiral_Chicago> gansinho: i think 95% of us use Kwin.
[04:17] <Admiral_Chicago> it's not even in the repos
[04:17] <surgy> ok so mplayer is no good for me
[04:17] <surgy> gives me an error
[04:17] <gansinho> Admiral_Chicago: uhn... I know, thanks anyway! =)
[04:17] <kristjan_> surgy: klaptop is better laptop battery monitor than kubuntu's default
[04:17] <surgy> but i dont care to debug the error
[04:17] <d03boy> is mplayer supported anymore?
[04:18] <kristjan_> mplayers works very well here
[04:18] <surgy> lets just say mplayer is trash like kafeine
[04:18] <kristjan_> no way
[04:18] <Jucato> surgy: mplayer or kmplayer?
[04:18] <Gerald> try VLC
[04:18] <surgy> what can i do to get my movie to work under vlc?
[04:18] <Adydas> i stand by VLC
[04:18] <Jucato> hi Admiral_Chicago
[04:18] <surgy> jucato: both
[04:18] <Gerald> what format?
[04:18] <kristjan_> you need /usr/lib/win32 for mplayer
[04:18] <surgy> avi
[04:18] <surgy> but all my other avi work fine
[04:18] <Jucato> surgy: in KMPlayer's settings, try checking if it's using MPlayer as the backend?
[04:19] <Admiral_Chicago> vlc works for avi.
[04:19] <Jucato> this single avi file plays on Windows?
[04:19] <Jucato> it could be a codec problem...
[04:19] <surgy> yes it plays on windows
[04:19] <Gerald> vlc should work out of the box
[04:19] <surgy> it plays under the kl mega codec pack under windows
[04:19] <Admiral_Chicago> might be a DRM issue?
[04:19] <surgy> and my kmplayer is using xine
[04:19] <kristjan_> kaffeine has only had trouble with x264 codec for me
[04:19] <Gerald> hates drm
[04:20] <Gerald> drm is evil, plain and simple
[04:20] <Jucato> surgy: try switching kmplayer to use mplayer
[04:20] <surgy> gerald: vlc is my favorite but is not working on this file
[04:20] <Gerald> surgy... could be drm'd
[04:20] <Jucato> surgy: but it might be really a codec problem
[04:20] <surgy> jucato: but i tryed to open it with mplayer and it whouldnt work.... but ill try it
[04:20] <lovloss> why did mp3 support just go screwey for me?
[04:20] <Gerald> surgy... stand by for a link
[04:20] <surgy> what is drm?
[04:20] <cmp1988> crap
[04:20] <Gerald> digital rights management
[04:21] <kristjan_> !drm
[04:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about drm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:21] <surgy> gerald: then why does it work under windows?
[04:21] <Gerald> evil control feature to keep people from copying or sharing softare/movies, etc
[04:21] <Admiral_Chicago> Gerald: digital restriction management
[04:21] <surgy> jucato: how do i get an extensive codec pack for vlc?
[04:21] <cmp1988> DRM stands for "We're scared of pirates all the time so we have to make it hard for everyone!"
[04:21] <Gerald> admiral...digital RIGHTS management
[04:21] <Jucato> surgy: that I don't know. if the file is really DRM'ed, I'm afraid there's no way to play it on Linux
[04:22] <lovloss> rights, restrictions, same diff
[04:22] <surgy> jucato: but then why does it work on kl media on windows?
[04:22] <posingaspopular> Gerald: admiral uses restrictions because he thinks its more representative of the issue
[04:22] <Jucato> again.. getting offtopic...
[04:22] <Gerald> OH, i'm cool with that, then
[04:22] <lovloss> so... again.... whhy cant i listen to mp3s anymore?
[04:23] <surgy> jucato: your one of these mythicle "ninja ops" ?
[04:23] <Jucato> surgy: might be because WIndows has no problem playing DRM'ed files? not really sure as I don't have that .avi you are tyring to play
[04:23] <kristjan_> !mp3
[04:23] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:23] <lovloss> i was able to, i think an update may have messed me up
[04:23] <cmp1988> Is it relatively easy to convert my "U" to "KU"?
[04:24] <Admiral_Chicago> Gerald: right give individuals power, DRM takes it away. this is offtopic unfortunately.
[04:24] <Jucato> lovloss: what happens when you try to play an mp3?
[04:24] <leafw> any ideas why edgy boots with the swap off ?
[04:24] <nixternal> never realised that it did that
[04:24] <lovloss> jucato: amarok says no support installed. When i ask it to install it, amarok crashes. Kaffeine just complains that it isnt recognizable
[04:24] <Gerald> surgy...check out this link. it's for ubunti, but it's still relevant for what you need
[04:24] <Gerald> http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~djm/ubuntu/
[04:24] <nixternal> been a while since I used edgy though
[04:24] <cmp1988> did you make sure you had a swap selected for install?
[04:25] <Jucato> lovloss: hm.. try "sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs" ?
[04:25] <leafw> nixternal : at least on this laptop, it does
[04:25] <nixternal> leafw: how are you checking this if I might ask?
[04:25] <nixternal> I want to see if Feisty does the same with my lappy
[04:25] <lovloss> Jucato: already the newest viersion, it says
[04:25] <leafw> cmp1988 : 'top' lists zero swap. 'gparted' lets me turn in on with "swapon" command/
[04:25] <Jucato> hm... strange...
[04:26] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: it doesn't over here
[04:26] <leafw> cmp1988 : then swap is on, no problem, until the next reboot.
[04:26] <Gerald> what's the topic?
[04:26] <lovloss> Jucato: interesting. vlc can do it
[04:26] <cmp1988> leafw: that's interesting..
[04:26] <surgy> thnx ffor the info guys i will just consider this one to be "not watchable"
[04:26] <Jucato> lovloss: vlc and mplayer doens't rely on xine (libxine-extracodecs)
[04:26] <Gerald> vlc is awesome, no doubt about it
[04:26] <lovloss> right...
[04:26] <leafw> cmp1988 : very, indeed. I am puzzled.
[04:26] <lovloss> jucato But i like kaffeine
[04:27] <cmp1988> vlc is great, it's the only media player that actually syncs the actions and sounds on DVD's
[04:27] <cmp1988> at least on my install of Ubuntu
[04:27] <Jucato> surgy: unfortunately, no one will be able to reliably reproduce your "bug", as we don't have that avi file. so I guess you really have to consider it unwatchable...
[04:27] <kristjan_> leafw: ubuntu likes swap equal to or more than 1.5 x size of your ram
[04:27] <Jucato> lovloss: hmm...
[04:27] <leafw> kristjan_ : I know, thanks. I've been on linux since redhat 6.0
[04:27] <Gerald> surgy...go read the kink i put up a minute ago... may be helpful
[04:27] <Jucato> kristjan_: um... not really
[04:27] <lovloss> * much confused! *
[04:27] <Gerald> http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~djm/ubuntu/
[04:27] <Gerald> er, link
[04:28] <kristjan_> Jucato: if it is smaller, then susped to disk fails
[04:28] <kristjan_> Jucato: at least this is the rumor
[04:28] <leafw> kristjan_ : my swap is exactly double the size of my RAM
[04:28] <Jucato> kristjan_: that I wouldn't know.. I don't suspend to disk.
[04:28] <Jucato> but I have 1:1 RAM-swap ration
[04:28] <surgy> gerald, jucato: that last statement i made wasnt another cry for help. its just not worth the trouble of me going through all that bs so my g/f can watch another chick flick(or try to force me to) but thank you
[04:29] <Gerald> surgy... depends
[04:29] <kristjan_> leafw: I remember having similar bug months ago
[04:29] <Gerald> g/f control  your happiness to a great extent
[04:29] <kristjan_> leafw: it appeared then I suspended to disk
[04:29] <leafw> kristjan_ : my sys is up to dat
[04:29] <surgy> gerald: yeah.... she has a laptop and a desktop...... that both play the movie......
[04:29] <kristjan_> leafw: there is a command that enables swap
[04:30] <Gerald> then what's the problem unless they run linux?
[04:30] <Jucato> swapon
[04:30] <Gerald> swapoff
[04:30] <surgy> gerald: i have the big monitor and couch
[04:30] <Gerald> lol
[04:30] <Gerald> jucato... wax on wax off
[04:30] <Malay_Linux> Hye.....
[04:30] <Gerald> remember that?
[04:30] <leafw> kristjan_ : I do so from gparted, but in any case, why is the loading kernel messages reporting that swap is being activated 'ok', but it doesn't ?
[04:31] <Malay_Linux> I'm Malaysian
[04:31] <Gerald> I'm human
[04:31] <underdog5004> That's where they make processors!
[04:31] <kristjan_> leafw: don't ask me technical stuff ;)
[04:31] <leafw> kristjan_ : no prob
[04:31] <surgy> hi malay_linux: doesnt matter your origin here :)
[04:31] <Gerald> surgy... too true... i'm from vulcan myself
[04:32] <Jucato> (what matters is you speak in English in here...)
[04:32] <Gerald> would love to have t'pol as a girlfriend
[04:32] <Gerald> english definately helps
[04:32] <Gerald> so, who uses konqueror in here?
[04:32] <Jucato> english is definitely required (in here)
[04:33] <surgy> gerald: everyone
[04:33] <kristjan_> Gerald: only as filemanager
[04:33] <surgy> gerald: it is our file manager
[04:33] <surgy> gerald: so we all use it
[04:33] <kristjan_> lol
[04:33] <Gerald> i tried dwidmanns rc file for konq, but there is nothing in there to turn off http referrer logging
[04:33] <surgy> gerald: need help with it?
[04:33] <Gerald> i meant as a browser
[04:33] <Gerald> read above surgy
[04:33] <ecualo> hello everyone
[04:33] <surgy> hello ecualo
[04:34] <Jucato> Gerald: were you able to read what I said earlier in #kde?
[04:34] <Gerald> no
[04:34] <Malay_Linux> I'm from Malaysia
[04:34] <Gerald> repeat, pls
[04:34] <Malay_Linux> and i'm Malay
[04:34] <Jucato> Gerald: are you a bit at ease with compiling from source code? coz if you are, this kde-apps.org utility has a toggle to enabled/disable HTTP referrer: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=51170
[04:34] <ecualo> does anyone knows about hacking
[04:34] <ecualo> ?
[04:34] <surgy> malay_linux: we understand and it doesnt matter where your from!
[04:34] <Jucato> ecualo: define hacking
[04:34] <Malay_Linux> i'm not true hacker
[04:34] <Gerald> yeah, i can compile from source
[04:34] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[04:34] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:34] <Malay_Linux> hahaha sorry gang
[04:34] <Malay_Linux> I'm Islam
[04:35] <posingaspopular> i think thats enough.... (still laughs)
[04:35] <underdog5004> Malay_Linux, we don't care.
[04:35] <Jucato> Malay_Linux: we're not usually interested. do you actually have a question?
[04:35] <kristjan_> what is referrer logging anyway?
[04:35] <ecualo> learning, programing
[04:35] <Gerald> islam is a lame operating system...
[04:35] <surgy> malay_linux: this is a support channel we are not here to get to know each other.... fo to #kde-offtopic to do that
[04:35] <kristjan_> :D
[04:35] <Jucato> surgy: er.. wrong channel
[04:35] <surgy> jucato sorry.....
[04:36] <Jucato> surgy: I think you meant #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[04:36] <surgy> jucato: yes thank you
[04:36] <Gerald> is offtopic a meat market?
[04:36] <surgy> gerald: are you?
[04:36] <ecualo> jucato I want to learn programing and UNIX
[04:36] <surgy> ecualo: what language?
[04:37] <surgy> ecualo: might i suggest you join #python ?
[04:37] <ecualo> ho ok how do I do that??
[04:37] <Wolfe> ok, now Dapper wont work
[04:37] <Jucato> Gerald: http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:Ct5bN00KLPAJ:wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php%3Fpage%3DSecret%2BConfig%2BSettings+kde+secret+config&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1 <-- scroll down to the section on Disable Sending of HTTP Referrer and click on the [+]  to show the contents of that entry
[04:37] <surgy> ecualo: tpype: /join #python
[04:37] <surgy> wolfe: whats the problem?
[04:37] <ecualo>  /join #python
[04:38] <Wolfe> the dapper cd image i burned, wont run, it goes straight to windows
[04:38] <Gerald> jucato...thanks
[04:38] <Wolfe> and the bios are right
[04:38] <surgy> ...
[04:38] <underdog5004> Wolfe, did you burn it as an iso?
[04:38] <Gerald> been looking for that for days
[04:38] <Wolfe> yea
[04:38] <kristjan_> Jucato: why did kubuntu developers choose crippled power manager? and do they plan to add features so it can match kpowersave/klaptop?
[04:38] <Gerald> i just started using kubuntu
[04:38] <surgy> wolfe: your bios are set to boot cd first..... check to see if your cdrom works right and reburn the cd image
[04:38] <ecualo> nothing happends sorry Im new here can anyone help me??
[04:38] <Jucato> kristjan_: dunno. I know nothing about those kind of stuff
[04:38] <underdog5004> Gerald, when you view the cd under windows, what does it say?
[04:38] <underdog5004> like, what files are visible?
[04:39] <Gerald> under, what cd?
[04:39] <surgy> !irc
[04:39] <ubotu> irc is Internet Relay Chat - Ubuntu IRC clients: xchat (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XChatHowto), gaim (http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Konversation (http://konversation.berlios.de/docs/), irssi (console) (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Irssi) - Also see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat and !guidelines
[04:39] <Jucato> ecualo: type in your IRC client: /join #python
[04:39] <surgy> !irc | ecualo
[04:39] <ubotu> ecualo: please see above
[04:39] <Jucato> ecualo: so that you'll join the #python channel
[04:39] <ecualo> a did that
[04:39] <underdog5004> Gerald, sorry, I meant, Wolfe
[04:39] <underdog5004> Wolfe, , when you view the cd under windows, what does it say?
[04:39] <Gerald> no worries
[04:39] <angasule> I pressed ALT+F2 to get the 'run' dialog, then input 0.3*46 and pressed enter, now the desktop has no icons and no wallpaper, and I can't call the 'run' dialog again
[04:40] <Wolfe> i have auto-run off
[04:40] <Wolfe> one sec, ill check
[04:40] <ecualo> it said that i need to ID to enter there
[04:40] <angasule> (I think I pressed enter twice)
[04:40] <surgy> ecualo: although i whould suggest you learn to use irc and know your basic hardware before attempting bash scripting or programming, no ofense intended
[04:40] <kristjan_> Gerald: what is that referrer anyway? something to do with security?
[04:41] <ecualo> ok thanks but how do I do that please help me
[04:41] <Gerald> kristjan, no
[04:41] <surgy> ecualo: type /msg nickserve identify                 it will tell you how to identify and registr yourself
[04:41] <Gerald> http referrer logging is when you go from one website to another, the receiving website can see where you've come from
[04:41] <underdog5004> ecualo, the whole "motto" if you will of linux is learn yourself. When you can't figure it out, ask for help.
[04:41] <surgy> ecualo: start at http:www.google.com and ask your basic questions there you can learn tons
[04:41] <underdog5004> or maybe that's just my motto...
[04:41] <ecualo> ok thanks for your help
[04:42] <Gerald> if referrer logging is turned off, it appears as if you typed in the URL from the browser address bar
[04:42] <surgy> underdog5004: i think you hit the nail on the head there
[04:42] <Gerald> rather than coming from another site
[04:42] <kristjan_> Gerald: ok, and why is that important?
[04:42] <Gerald> because i value my security
[04:42] <surgy> hi mbelleza
[04:42] <Gerald> and i don't like being tracked
[04:42] <underdog5004> Wolfe, you still around?
[04:42] <mbelleza> hello
[04:42] <Gerald> i block ads, so that helps
[04:42] <mbelleza> surgy..
[04:43] <surgy> mbelleza: can i help you?
[04:43] <Gerald> tracking cookies will serve up ads based on where you've been
[04:43] <kristjan_> Gerald: does it only work then I click on the link? or it also works if I'm e.g. www.x.com and then type into address bar www.y.com?
[04:43] <mbelleza> surgy, tanx...but i dnt have problem yet for my computer...
[04:43] <Gerald> only clicking on links
[04:44] <surgy> mbelleza: ok when you do someone will be here
[04:44] <Gerald> or getting re-directed, but re-directions can track you with JS
[04:44] <Wolfe> well, im about to run to the restroom, then to make some dinner
[04:44] <Gerald> i turn JS off
[04:44] <Wolfe> so, back in a few
[04:44] <surgy> underdog5004: you ever get your xorg lined out?
[04:44] <mbelleza> surgy: ok..tanx..
[04:44] <surgy> mbelleza: np
[04:45] <Gerald> the reason i asked about konq is because i'm starting to really like kde over gnome and i eventually want to only use kde
[04:45] <kristjan_> Gerald: I don't mind adds directed for my liking. I have developed immunity against most adds
[04:45] <underdog5004> surgy, heh, I reinstalled...
[04:45] <Gerald> kristjan, i block ALL ads
[04:45] <kristjan_> Gerald: well konqueror isn't that great as firefox, but that's just my opinion
[04:45] <surgy> gerald: i find firefox to be more secure, it make me paranoid to use konq becuase i know it has direct access to everything
[04:45] <surgy> underdog5004: sux
[04:46] <underdog5004> meh, not so bad...just took a while to re-install all my fave proggys...
[04:46] <Gerald> surgy... there is separation of duties there to prevent that. I've been reading about it
[04:46] <Gerald> the kde devs took great pains to avoid what you mention
[04:47] <surgy> gerald: i dont doubt that it has safety features....... but there is that looming impression that it has the possibility to do anything
[04:47] <Jucato> surgy: konqueror only has access to what you would allow it to.
[04:47] <dwidmann> nothing more than firefox could do really ...
[04:47] <kristjan_> konqueror is great but firefox is faster. because konq doesn't have that dns-something
[04:47] <underdog5004> swiftfox ftw!
[04:47] <surgy> jucato: i understand..... im just paranoid about hackers destroying and stealing
[04:47] <Gerald> the safest browser out there is opera, but i won't use proprietary software
[04:47] <Gerald> konq is faster than FF
[04:47] <Gerald> anyday
[04:48] <dwidmann> kristjan_: that's what pdnsd or dnsmasq are there for :)
[04:48] <Gerald> benchmarks prove it
[04:48] <kristjan_> Gerald: wait, I'll find the link
[04:48] <Gerald> link from whom?
[04:48] <surgy> gerald: i agree opera is awsome
[04:48] <Gerald> opera is best, but it's not free software
[04:48] <underdog5004> surgy, best thing you can do is make a really strong password for your box, and use proxies...and...disable ssh...
[04:48] <surgy> jucato: we are too far off topic?
[04:48] <kristjan_> Gerald: kde bugzilla
[04:48] <Gerald> khtml is faster than gecko from what i've been reading
[04:49] <Gerald> and experiencing
[04:49] <surgy> doesnt lynx beat them all in speed?
[04:49] <dwidmann> kristjan_: Seriously, I know what you're referring to .... I even voted on that bug ... but setting up dnsmasq fixes the problem.
[04:49] <Gerald> lol
[04:49] <underdog5004> I think lynx is fastes...but no images...poor for pr0n...
[04:49] <surgy> lol
[04:49] <kristjan_> Gerald: compare digg scrolling speed in konq and ff
[04:49] <Gerald> asci pr0n
[04:50] <kristjan_> Gerald: digg.com *
[04:51] <kristjan_> I found konq bug - all vote :p - http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135230
[04:51] <xpoint> if its a bug why wote ? :-)
[04:51] <kristjan_> xpoint: why not
[04:51] <surgy> you guys are right konq stomps firefox in speed......... but what about basic customization? like setting a homepage? who wins there?
[04:51] <underdog5004> lol
[04:52] <kristjan_> surgy: setting homepage?
[04:52] <Gerald> kristjan... konq is faster, sorry...just tried it for myself
[04:52] <xpoint> kristjan_: its basicly still a bug if its a bug
[04:52] <mike> What is the best web camera app?
[04:52] <Jucato> !webcam
[04:52] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[04:52] <surgy> !best
[04:52] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[04:52] <n8k99> surgy: what's a homepage?
[04:52] <Gerald> lol
[04:52] <xpoint> !etrn
[04:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about etrn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:53] <piro_> and konq doesnt randomly close out whenever it feels like it
[04:53] <surgy> n8k99: lol go to google.com and ask that
[04:53] <kristjan_> n8k99: I think he means opening page
[04:53] <surgy> a homepage is the page that loads when you click the home page button
[04:53] <kristjan_> Gerald: maybe it's my hardware then, but scrolling in digg.com is slower than in firefox
[04:53] <Gerald> i was an epiphany user when using ubuntu, but konq is like opera in speed and configuration
[04:53] <n8k99> right- I was being a tad facecious- my home button gives me /home/n8k99/
[04:53] <surgy> mike: check digiKam
[04:54] <n8k99> ;-)
[04:54] <Gerald> digiKam is nice. simple, but nice
[04:54] <mike> surgy: cheers
[04:54] <surgy> kristjan_: do you have your video card drivers set up?
[04:54] <xpoint> kristjan_: its more correct to confirm that it is a bug
[04:54] <Gerald> sanford and son is on in 5 minutes
[04:54] <mike> Hell Kubuntu takes up bulk room!
[04:54] <surgy> mike: np
[04:54] <kristjan_> surgy: I do
[04:54] <kristjan_> xpoint: is it konqueror bug or that page bug?
[04:55] <surgy> !sudoku
[04:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sudoku - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:55] <kristjan_> besides, I haven't found mplayer-mozilla plugin replica for konqueror
[04:56] <surgy> kristjan_:kmplayer does that i think
[04:56] <mike> kubuntu "herd" has bulked out to 2.6 gig,,wow
[04:56] <Gerald> is impressed with konq the more i use it
[04:57] <kristjan_> surgy: it's not as good as mplayer-plugin. video likes to stop
[04:57] <Gerald> 2.6 gig?
[04:57] <mike> yes
[04:57] <Gerald> that's ridiculous
[04:57] <mike> sure is
[04:57] <Gerald> pretty soon ubuntu is going to hit more than 1 cd
[04:57] <surgy> kristjan_: it all comes down to preference when you said "its better" it means its better in your opinion...... maybe drop it?
[04:58] <Gerald> who here uses konversation for irc?
[04:58] <mike> me
[04:58] <kristjan_> I do
[04:58] <surgy> gerald: i can see kubuntu being like fedora someday..... which isnt bad, i rather like there distro setup and wished i had a set like that for kubuntu
[04:58] <Gerald> i used bitch-x for years, but this is much easier
[04:59] <surgy> konversation is my favorite
[04:59] <xpoint> kristjan_: slow loading webpage -- dhcp, dns, wireless related < that bug
[04:59] <surgy> gerald: it integrates into the os better
[04:59] <Gerald> i've only been using ubuntu/kubuntu for about 18 months
[04:59] <Gerald> before that it was fedora
[04:59] <n8k99> surgy how so?
[04:59] <kristjan_> xpoint: why is voting pointless?
[04:59] <Gerald> before that is was red flat, er hat
[05:00] <cfraz89> hi
[05:00] <Jucato> !offtopic
[05:00] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:00] <surgy> n8k99: it feals natural and is setup so that any newbie can just click it and it comes here for help..... i think it should be made into the operating system as a live help center type thing
[05:00] <xpoint> kristjan_: i see it olso here on breezy, just not as much as the bug reports
[05:00] <ubuntu> I am using Konversation at Kubuntu
[05:00] <leafw> what kubuntu will do, is be distributed not in CDs but in 1Gb flash drives
[05:00] <leafw> that's the next cheap storage device
[05:01] <leafw> in about a year, flash drives will hit a ridiculously low price
[05:01] <Jucato> almost everyone
[05:01] <kristjan_> xpoint: on what should I waste my votes over at kde bugzilla then?
[05:01] <mike> kernel 2.6.20 smp has a bug
[05:01] <leafw> sentry out
[05:01] <crimsun> mike: just one?
[05:01] <mike> lol
[05:01] <Gerald> i wish kubuntu would release a mini distro that has just the basics
[05:02] <Dr_willis> Gerald,  i thought there was such a thing in the works.
[05:02] <xpoint> kristjan_: yes if its not ubuntu related
[05:02] <Gerald> kind of like what the BSDs do...
[05:02] <mike> Gerald: that is sidux
[05:02] <Dr_willis> some sort of mini-kde.
[05:02] <ubuntu> I think Kubuntu is better than Ubuntu
[05:02] <ubuntu> Its amazing!
[05:02] <Dr_willis> i was testing out sidux over the weekend... it needs work.... :)
[05:02] <mike> eeee
[05:02] <Gerald> kubuntu looks better than ubuntu, but gnome is more elegant than KDE, since it's simpler
[05:03] <Dr_willis> Sorry we are all discussing Linux in the #offtopic channel. :)
[05:03] <Jucato> guys, it just takes one click to transfer to the offtopic channel and continue there
[05:03] <Gerald> what's the topic in here, then
[05:03] <Jucato> !offtopic | Gerald
[05:03] <ubotu> Gerald: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:03] <Dr_willis> Gerald,  like a Bolgogna Samwich is more elegant then a Steak Dinner. :)
[05:03] <mike> kubuntu has got fat
[05:04] <Admiral_Chicago> Topic for #kubuntu: Kubuntu Support Channe
[05:04] <Dr_willis> kubuntu dosent even install all of the kde stuff.
[05:04] <mike> However it is going well
[05:04] <Admiral_Chicago> type /t
[05:04] <kristjan_> everything else > #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:04] <mike> Dr_willis: I did an "apt-get install kde
[05:04] <Admiral_Chicago> also in the topic: #kubuntu-offtopic for anything non-support related
[05:04] <mike> and all upgrades
[05:04] <Dr_willis> mike,  i still think theres things not installed..
[05:04] <kristjan_> or > #ubuntu-offtopic < with more people
[05:05] <Dr_willis> themes, some applets, and so forth
[05:05] <Gerald> prefers KOffice to Open Office, but there is no PDF export in KOffice that i'm aware of.
[05:05] <mike> Dr_willis: where is kuickshow?
[05:05] <Dr_willis> Gerald,  you can print to pdf
[05:05] <Dr_willis> !find kuickshow
[05:05] <kristjan_> to praise kde join #kde
[05:05] <mike> I only get gwenview
[05:05] <ubotu> File kuickshow found in kdegraphics-doc-html
[05:05] <Gerald> print to PDF, but what about save as PDF?
[05:05] <Jucato> kuickshow isn't in Kubuntu since dapper
[05:05] <Dr_willis> mike,  i dont use either one.
[05:05] <Jucato> mike: ^^
[05:05] <cfraz89> Gerald: it saves as a file when you print
[05:06] <mike> Dr_willis:tell all doc?
[05:06] <mike> what do you use
[05:06] <Dr_willis> wine irfanview.exe
[05:06] <Dr_willis> :P
[05:06] <Jucato> mike: the "kde" metapackage will install *a lot* of packages, because it will install everything in the KDE modules: kdebase, kdemultimedia, kdegraphics, kdeextras, kdeaddons, kdeutils, etc
[05:06] <Gerald> i have to use OO.o to do my resume but of KOffice can do it, then i'll drop oo.o
[05:06] <cfraz89> i'd like to try out koffice 2.0 svn
[05:06] <mike> Jucato: but no kuickshow?
[05:06] <Gerald> KOfice seems less buggy than open office
[05:06] <Jucato> mike: nope no kuickshow unfortunately
[05:06] <mike> mmmm
[05:07] <mike> Jucato: err...y?
[05:07] <Jucato> mike: let me get the "bug" report
[05:07] <mike> oh
[05:07] <n8k99> iirc kuickshow has not been updated in nearly three years
[05:07] <Jucato> mike: hopefully, that situation will  change soon
[05:07] <mike> ok
[05:07] <mike> i see
[05:07] <Dr_willis> buggy, no maintainers? lack of updates. ect.. often kill a package from what ive seen
[05:07] <Jucato> n8k99: though that's not really the reason
[05:08] <mike> sad
[05:08] <mike> 3 yrs
[05:08] <mike> hell
[05:08] <Dr_willis> i rember using XV for years...
[05:09] <Jucato> mike: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/42081
[05:09] <mike> Dr_willis: It is still in etch and sid?
[05:09] <Dr_willis> mike,  not sure.. i havent messed with images lately in any disrto.
[05:09] <Dr_willis> other then setting wallpaper
[05:10] <Jucato> kuickshow is still officially part of KDE's kdegraphics module. but for the reason above, it's not included in Kubuntu since Dapper
[05:11] <mike> Dr_willis: I miss kuickshow,,,get me a nurse,,quick
[05:12] <Dr_willis> cant even recall using that one mike
[05:12] <unix_infidel> you need a waaaambulance is what you need.
[05:12] <Dr_willis> i recall using pixieSomthing...
[05:12] <Dr_willis> google has Picassa2 for linux now dont it?
[05:14] <ubuntu> Now i can play mp3 music at Ubuntu
[05:14] <Gerald> not free software
[05:14] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:15] <ubuntu> For ubuntu users, please download Automatix2
[05:15] <ubuntu> its very useful
[05:16] <Dr_willis> that is very BAD BAD advice
[05:16] <Dr_willis> and it is not needed.
[05:16] <ubuntu> to beginner
[05:16] <Dr_willis> its best to read the guides and learn the proper way to install the stuff
[05:16] <surgy> hi DR_willis
[05:16] <Dr_willis> hello surgy
[05:16] <Dr_willis> I belive over the weekend i tallied like 6 systems or so trashed by those kind of scripts
[05:17] <surgy> dr_willis: your a professional linux admin?
[05:17] <Dr_willis> Nope.
[05:17] <Dr_willis> I just Play one on TV.
[05:18] <ubuntu> im beginner of linux
[05:18] <Dr_willis> "New Linux - good for what ails you!"
[05:18] <surgy> mind if i pm you?
[05:18] <ubuntu> plz help me to improve
[05:18] <surgy> ubuntu: where shale we start?
[05:18] <Dr_willis> ubuntu,  read read read and read... is the best help.
[05:18] <Dr_willis> for a start -- get a real nickname
[05:18] <ubuntu> im young, 20 years old
[05:18] <Dr_willis>  /nick ILoveToRead
[05:18] <surgy> !repos |ubuntu
[05:18] <ubotu> ubuntu: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:18] <surgy> !restricted | ubuntu
[05:18] <ubotu> ubuntu: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:19] <ubuntu> i know something about windows system but i want to learn more in linux os
[05:19] <Dr_willis> surgy,  i got no real training in pcs at all.. unless you count the C64 classes i took ages ago in school (yes i am old) ive learned most all this by reading the various books
[05:19] <Gerald> http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~djm/ubuntu/
[05:19] <Dr_willis> and of course hanging on irc.
[05:19] <Malay_Linux> ubuntu is known as Malay_Linux
[05:20] <Dr_willis> Yes - we saw the nickchange. :)
[05:20] <surgy> dr_willis: i was wanting to pm you becuase jucato has allready yelled at us once for being off topic
[05:20] <Dr_willis> shame on us. :) lets join.... lets see...... #WeLoveBeingOffTopic
[05:22] <vegasmcpc> poooop
[05:22] <mike> Someone get working on kuickshow,cmon people
[05:22] <Dr_willis> mike,  use the source?
[05:22] <mike> tomato mostly
[05:22] <mike> (*_*)
[05:22] <mike> hehe
[05:22] <Malay_Linux> tq for some advice
[05:23] <vegasmcpc> anybody willing to help me with editing my /etc/fstab?
[05:23] <Malay_Linux> i hope linux will become easier to young people ;)
[05:23] <Malay_Linux> like me
[05:23] <Malay_Linux>  hehe
[05:23] <mike> vegasmcpc: whats broken now
[05:24] <vegasmcpc> i have a raid array set up, i just need to mount it and i don't want to mess stuff up
[05:25] <vegasmcpc> nothing, the raid array's set up, i just need to know how to get the uuid, etc.
[05:25] <mike> vegasmcpc: copy n paste the original somewhere safe 1st
[05:25] <mike> then go to town,,:)
[05:25] <Dr_willis> Malay_Linux,  problem with focusing on   (not to be insulting) "Total-beginner-idiots-newbies" is that they expect the OS to Bend over backwards for them.. THEN do a backflip.. they dont want to put forth any effort to learn the very compex tool that a computer is.
[05:26] <Malay_Linux> how to play mpeg2 file at Ubuntu?
[05:26] <vegasmcpc> ok, i saved a backup as /etc/fstab.backup
[05:26] <Dr_willis> vlc/mplayer/xine/totem should be able to play those..
[05:26] <mike> Dr_willis: oh how insulting
[05:26] <Dr_willis> mike,  :)
[05:26] <Malay_Linux> really
[05:26] <Dr_willis> very visual..
[05:26] <vegasmcpc> mike: now what do i do?
[05:26] <Apallo_> i am having trouble with the power management on my laptop...it is reporting that the processor is running at 600mhz while plugged in
[05:27] <surgy> dr_willis: linux will bend over backwards for anyone if they touch her just right :)
[05:27] <Apallo_> where can i find the options to turn off cpu throttling?
[05:27] <mike> Apallo_: bios
[05:27] <Apallo_> is that the only way?
[05:28] <Apallo_> cause i'd rather turn it off in the software
[05:28] <surgy> malay_linux: did you learn from google? or do any research since our last talk?
[05:29] <mike> Apallo_: system setting in advanced?
[05:29] <vegasmcpc> what's the command in konsole to find the uuid of a device?
[05:29] <Apallo_> i only get disk & filesystems, System Services and login manager
[05:30] <mortix> wennnassss
[05:30] <mortix> algun chileno en kubuntu?
[05:30] <Admiral_Chicago> !es | mortix
[05:30] <ubotu> mortix: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:30] <surgy> mortix: this is english channel
[05:30] <Admiral_Chicago> actually, what is chile speak
[05:31] <Admiral_Chicago> what is spoken in Chile?
[05:31] <surgy> spanish?
[05:31] <mortix> ok, thank ;) is my first time
[05:31] <Apallo_> portuguese?
[05:31] <surgy> np
[05:31] <Admiral_Chicago> Apallo_: spanish
[05:31] <Apallo_> ahh
[05:31] <Apallo_> just taking a guess...
[05:31] <mortix> how change chanel?
[05:32] <mortix> :s
[05:32] <Admiral_Chicago> mortix: /join #kubuntu-es
[05:32] <Malay_Linux> not really
[05:33] <surgy> malay_linux: you need to know the basics. you need to know your processor your amount of ram etc etc what an OS is and how it works.... and a few dozen other things that your not going to learn here
[05:33] <Malay_Linux> thats thing i  know already
[05:34] <vegasmcpc> anybody know the command in konsole that shows the details of a device, such as the uuid?
[05:34] <surgy> malay_linux: ok then ask a direct question, and you will get a direct answer
[05:34] <surgy> vehasmcpc: check your fstab?
[05:34] <Apallo_> lspci?
[05:34] <unix_infidel> what about the uid?
[05:35] <surgy> no idea there
[05:35] <Apallo_> is the restricted formats page on the wiki outdated or something?
[05:35] <KaoticEvil> does anyone have a ZyXel AG-225H USB wireless adapter?
[05:36] <surgy> apallo_: why do you ask?
[05:36] <Apallo_> i did all the stuff on there and can't get my videos to work
[05:36] <Dr_willis> I think wiki pages get outdated the moment they are written. :)
[05:36] <Malay_Linux> i know basic about windows or linux
[05:36] <Dr_willis> thats why they are wikis :)
[05:36] <surgy> !wireless | kaoticwvil
[05:36] <ubotu> kaoticwvil: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:36] <Malay_Linux> but i want learn basic of hacking (not cracking)
[05:36] <surgy> malay_linux: then maybe you should start with learning irc
[05:37] <surgy> malay_linux and no mater what nick or how you ask this is not the channel to ask a question about hacking in
[05:37] <Malay_Linux> ohh sorry for that
[05:37] <Malay_Linux> erm.... IRC
[05:37] <bonbonthejon> Malay_Linux: what do you mean by hacking, coding or the illegal stuff
[05:38] <Malay_Linux> where should i start
[05:38] <Dr_willis> reading the Bash beginners guide....
[05:38] <surgy> malay_linux: just to make you read.......... http://www.groovyweb.uklinux.net/?page_name=how%20to%20hack%20linux
[05:38] <Dr_willis> then some linux begeinner guides..
[05:38] <KaoticEvil> surgy: thats not exactly what i was looking for
[05:38] <Apallo_> !ubotu restricted formats
[05:38] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:38] <Dr_willis> perhaps a scripging language or 2 guides..
[05:38] <Dr_willis> like Python - thats always good to learn.
[05:38] <surgy> kaoticevil: thats all i know or i whould give you more sorry
[05:39] <surgy> dr_willis: python isnt as easy as they claim
[05:39] <unix_infidel> sure it is
[05:39] <n8k99> Malay_Linux: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
[05:40] <surgy> unix_infidel: not for me at least
[05:40] <Dr_willis> surgy,  but it teaches good skills. :)
[05:40] <Dr_willis> and comes in handy
[05:40] <KaoticEvil> hmmm. well, it does mention the adapter... looks like i'll be swapping all my wifi cards around o_o
[05:40] <unix_infidel> surgy: well, it all depends on what you want to do with it.
[05:40] <Dr_willis> of course I like REXX - but im weird..
[05:40] <genii> Weird can be good
[05:40] <unix_infidel> coding py tk inter or pygtk stuff is hard, simple io and text stuff is easy.
[05:40] <surgy> unix_infidal, dr_willis mind bringing this up in #welovebeingofftopic   ?
[05:40] <bonbonthejon> is there a tutorial for qt aimed for kubuntu
[05:41] <unix_infidel> the interation stuff is a LOT harder to grasp if you're coming from like C or perl.
[05:42] <mike> Is there an easy way to install beryl?
[05:42] <mike> she's hot
[05:42] <bonbonthejon> !beryl
[05:42] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:42] <Dr_willis> How about 'whats a good  "what should total beginners learn about linux first" guide'
[05:42] <n8k99> bonbonthejon: i dunno if its specific for kubuntu but kde.org has some tutorials
[05:42] <bonbonthejon> n8k99: i think i looked there, but the qt libs they wanted were old, and i never got it to compile
[05:42] <surgy> mike: there is an auto install script
[05:42] <surgy> mike: join #beryl
[05:43] <n8k99> bonbonthejon: there has been some work on it recently
[05:43] <mike> surgy: what about a repo/
[05:43] <n8k99> bonbonthejon: at least the tutorials use kdevelop3
[05:43] <surgy> mike: join #beryl
[05:43] <genii> Are there any short introduction to KDE/Kubuntu movies playable on the computer which someone knows about? I am supplying a lot of systems pre-installed with Dapper to novices and want to put an instructional video on the desktop to help them out.
[05:44] <Malay_Linux> thanks again
[05:45] <Malay_Linux> i can got linux easily but how can i get unix?
[05:45] <bonbonthejon> Malay_Linux: what do you mean
[05:45] <surgy> malay_linux: man your fixing to piss me off................. go look it up start at http://www.google.com this is kubuntu support not hacking or unix
[05:45] <Malay_Linux> i want to know something about unix
[05:45] <Malay_Linux> anyone can help me?
[05:46] <genii> Malay_Linux There are currently 2 free unix releases, FreeBSD and FreeSolaris
[05:46] <vas> why whenever I try to run Eclipse.exe in /opt it asks me what I want to open it with?
[05:46] <bonbonthejon> Malay_Linux: learn linux first
[05:46] <Malay_Linux> OIC
[05:46] <Malay_Linux> ok tq
[05:46] <vas> "/opt/eclipse"
[05:46] <Jucato> Malay_Linux: please do some research first. This is channel is for Kubuntu support questions
[05:46] <Malay_Linux> ooooh
[05:47] <surgy> sorry for bad language
[05:47] <x04ty29er> hence the kubuntu in the title
[05:47] <Jucato> Malay_Linux: there are many articles, links, pages, and even some IRC channels for Linux or UNIX. but please try to research. http://www.google.com
[05:47] <surgy> x04ty29er: i think you have the hardest to type nick ive ever seen.... nice to meet you
[05:47] <vas> I think its an extremely simple problem considering i's so simple yet going so wrong
[05:47] <x04ty29er> surgy: lol
[05:48] <x04ty29er> ive heard that alot
[05:48] <genii> Anyone know some links to instructional videos for Kubuntu?
[05:48] <x04ty29er> i guess its a compliment
[05:48] <x04ty29er> nice to meet you too
[05:48] <Jucato> surgy: that's why I love Tab completion on IRC :)
[05:48] <n8k99> surgy x04ty29er is easy to autocomplete
[05:48] <x04ty29er> lol
[05:48] <surgy> genii: there is a little video on the kubuntu live cd that tells the history of the word "ubuntu" that might be a good one
[05:48] <bonbonthejon> genii: there might be some videos on youtube
[05:49] <vas> anyone else ever get this problem?
[05:49] <Jucato> genii: Google? can't think of any from the top of my head, but I'm sure there are some
[05:49] <bonbonthejon> genii: there is also http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/
[05:49] <surgy> vas: whats problem again sorry
[05:49] <genii> surgy , bonbonthejon I'm looking for something I can download and put on a bunch of systems to help out new users who get the boxes
[05:50] <surgy> genii: let me see what i got
[05:50] <vas> surgy: its k :) ... Whenever I try to open Eclipse.exe in /opt/eclipse/ It asks me what I want to open it with
[05:50] <genii> surgy Cool, thanks
[05:50] <n8k99> bonbonthejon: did you try http://developer.kde.org/ ?
[05:50] <vas> wait!
[05:50] <vas> it works
[05:50] <Jucato> vas: you would need to have wine installed
[05:51] <Apallo_> ok i give up...the wiki directions aren't working
[05:51] <vas> nevermind it was being weird
[05:51] <vas> jucato: It is the linux version anyways
[05:51] <Jucato> ok...
[05:51] <surgy> vas: .exe programs are for windows use the comand "wine eclipse.exe" becuase wine is your win32 application layer
[05:51] <Jucato> Apallo_: what are you trying to do?
[05:51] <bonbonthejon> n8k99: yes
[05:51] <genii> bonbonthejon: The ubuntuvideo site is good but gnome-oriented :(
[05:51] <vas> surgy: oooh ok I understand.. Wine probably having a laggy moment then - forgive my inexperience
[05:51] <bonbonthejon> genii: you could make some videos and submit them
[05:51] <Apallo_> get the restricted format stuff working for mp3 and video playback
[05:52] <n8k99> bonbonthejon: ok- just checking
[05:52] <vas> thnx!
[05:52] <surgy> vas: not a problem
[05:52] <Apallo_> and the directions on the wiki aren't working
[05:52] <genii> bonbonthejon: This is true but I'm on on a strict timeline
[05:52] <Jucato> Apallo_: simply install libxine-extracodecs for MP3
[05:52] <surgy> genii: check this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMa6E5rnxI8
[05:52] <Jucato> Apallo_: if you're on Kubuntu Edgy and you try to play an MP3, you will be prompted for an option to install it
[05:52] <Apallo_> apt tells me it can't find the package
[05:52] <genii> surgy Thanks, checking it out now
[05:52] <Apallo_> i'm more worried about video playback, i know about the mp3 thing
[05:53] <raylu> Sounds like Appallo_ doesn't have the right repositories
[05:53] <vas> 1 more question, kind of a preference/opinion one though: I am working on a bogging app Called Guava in PHP, I keep the files in /opt/lampp/htdocs although I preferably enjoy a My Projects folder in my Home folder.. what do other people do about this?
[05:53] <genii> Damn, more gnome-centric
[05:53] <Jucato> Apallo_: libxine-extracodecs also handles those
[05:53] <vas> keeping all my 'files' in my home folder simplifies backing up and general orginization
[05:53] <surgy> genii: ok http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5676029952918957384&q=intro+to+kubuntu&hl=en
[05:53] <raylu> vas, depending on your server, it may be possible to set your server's home directory to your user's home directory
[05:53] <Jucato> Apallo_: the only things it doesn't  handle are Window Media formats and Real Media
[05:54] <surgy> genii: walks you through updates
[05:54] <vas> raylu: xampp.. I will have to investigate b/c i'm new to the linux version
[05:54] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: lol @ Mako Hell [/offtopic] 
[05:54] <genii> surgy Excellent :)
[05:54] <surgy> genii: kindof crappy resolution though
[05:54] <vas> great, once again thnx!
[05:55] <Apallo_> Jucato: http://www.pastebin.ca/raw/365726  <= the output i am getting
[05:55] <surgy> genii: thats all i got man
[05:55] <genii> surgy Still fine for my needs, thanks again.
[05:55] <surgy> genii: not a problem
[05:55] <Jucato> Apallo_: are you on Kubuntu Edgy? did you try to play an MP3 in Amarok? it will launch a script that automates all these
[05:56] <unix_infidel> !fiesty
[05:56] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[05:56] <Apallo_> Jucato: i know...i am more worried about the video codecs
[05:56] <unix_infidel> uhh, it gets released in almost 2 months and its still alpha...
[05:56] <Jucato> Apallo_: libxine-extracodecs also handles those video codecs
[05:56] <unix_infidel> how's that a good thing?
[05:56] <bonbonthejon> did anyone who upgraded to feisty have any problems like people were having upgrading to edgy?
[05:56] <Jucato> Apallo_: the only things it doesn't  handle are Window Media formats and Real Media
[05:56] <Apallo_> Jucato: you are giving me a catch 22 here...
[05:56] <Jucato> that's the 2nd time I said that
[05:57] <raylu> Apallo_, the thing is
[05:57] <Jucato> Apallo_: libxine-extracodecs is the package that installs the codecs for media formats like MP3, AVI, etc
[05:57] <Apallo_> E: Package libxine-extracodecs has no installation candidate
[05:57] <raylu> playing an MP3 in Amorak will install libxine-extracodecs which will play videos
[05:57] <cj_> Jucato: do you know Dynamic loader support
[05:57] <Jucato> cj_: no.
[05:57] <Apallo_> i know, i was trying to install it
[05:57] <cj_> ammm system calls
[05:57] <raylu> ...so what Jucato is saying is...
[05:58] <Jucato> Apallo_: there's a script in Amarok that will add the proper repository so that you will not have that error
[05:58] <raylu> to not try installing manually and letting Amorak do it for you
[05:58] <Apallo_> ahh
[05:58] <Apallo_> thank you
[05:58] <Jucato> Apallo_: Amarok will run the script that will automate the installation of libxine-extracodecs, which is a package that will allow you to play MP3 *AND* AVI's
[05:58] <raylu> Jucato, does the repos really not come with the default installation?
[05:59] <Jucato> raylu: prior to feisty, the "multiverse" section is not added by default
[05:59] <Jucato> they're going to add it by default in Feisty, afaik
[05:59] <raylu> Ah, awesome.
[05:59] <Apallo_> ahhh, i thought i was missing something!
[06:00] <surgy> jucato: why not add all the repos by defualt and leave it up to the end user to deselect the ones they dont want?
[06:00] <Kite_DH> jucato?
[06:00] <Jucato> surgy: that's what they will be doing in Feisty, except for -backports I think
[06:00] <Kite_DH> do you know how to make screenshots  while rotating the cube?
[06:00] <Kite_DH> =/
[06:00] <Kite_DH> i tryied everything lol
[06:01] <surgy> jucato: even restricted?
[06:01] <raylu>  I did it too...I just rotated it and press Print screen
[06:01] <Jucato> Kite_DH: launch KSnapshot, set it to a certain delay
[06:01] <raylu>  *pressed
[06:01] <Jucato> surgy: restricted has always been enabled by default
[06:01] <surgy> kite_DH: make a macro for screen shot
[06:01] <Jucato> Kite_DH: then click on "New Snapshot", rotate the cube, and wait
[06:02] <Kite_DH> ok
[06:02] <surgy> jucato: oh..... the binary driver howto is wasting noob prescious time then..... half the guide is about enableing restricted
[06:02] <Jucato> surgy: probably unnecessary, as KSnapshot has a delay feature
[06:02] <surgy> jucato: always nice to have a macro for screenshot for debuging purposes
[06:02] <Jucato> surgy: ah! it only happend in starting Edgy. afaik, Dapper didn't have restricted enabled by default
[06:04] <surgy> jucato: should update the howto :)
[06:04] <Jucato> hm?
[06:04] <Jucato> !nvidia
[06:04] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:06] <Jucato> surgy: unless you're referring to something other than the official wiki, I can't seem to see what you were referring to
[06:06] <Jucato> oh wait, I was looking at ATI's
[06:06] <surgy> jucato: i shale get you a qoute
[06:07] <surgy> jucato: at this link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia the whole section after prerequisites
[06:07] <Jucato> surgy: you do have to note that the wiki must cater to both Dapper and whatever's the current release. so we can't remove the instructions for enabling restricted
[06:07] <Jucato> yes I see that
[06:08] <Jucato> for one, that section really is only appropriate for Ubuntu only. second, there's nothing wrong with actually checking if it's enabled :)
[06:08] <surgy> jucato: agreed..... how whould one start a project to make a set of pages like this for kubuntu? as to kater to us?
[06:09] <Jucato> surgy: you can if you want :)
[06:09] <Jucato> all you need is to sign up for the wiki. anything in help.ubuntu.com/community is user/community documentation
[06:10] <Jucato> just exercise a bit of caution when adding/removing stuff, making sure your steps can be reliably reproduced on other systems
[06:10] <surgy> jucato: and you guys will host it....... hmmmm i might start that..... whats the chances of gaining you guys support on such a project?
[06:10] <raylu>  Haha. "kater"
[06:10] <Jucato> but fwiw, Feisty will have a Software Properties-like utility for Kubuntu
[06:10] <surgy> jucato: im reffering to a kubuntu specific wiki
[06:11] <Jucato> surgy: what do you mean? the user documentation is open for everybody
[06:11] <Jucato> surgy: there's no need for a separate site. all you need to do is either add Kubuntu-specific instructions or create a Kubuntu sub-page
[06:12] <raylu>  It would be easier to browse/search through if it were a seperate wiki
[06:12] <raylu>  though harder to get ubuntu information that applies to kubuntu, I guess
[06:12] <Jucato> surgy: for other documentation/wiki concerns, feel free to drop by #ubuntu-docs
[06:12] <jtmoney> can someone please tell me what is going on with the white cube bug in beryl? i've read too many forums to come away with anything
[06:12] <Jucato> raylu: actually it would even be harder
[06:12] <surgy> jucato: concentrating a bit of our efforts maybe anyone who knows something about kde or how to do it thats not specificly listed for kde can make a how to for it. turn it into a db and then make it a standalone support site. where we dont get ubuntu related instructions it can be kindof hard sometime for a newbie to convert such things
[06:12] <raylu>  white cube bug?
[06:12] <Jucato> raylu: we're trying to actually gather documentations in one place, not separate it :)
[06:13] <raylu>  yeah, I understand that
[06:13] <jtmoney> Dr_willis: yeah, i know
[06:13] <jtmoney> i bought a new laptop today for it
[06:13] <surgy> jucato: does that make sense?
[06:13] <jtmoney> how pathetic
[06:13] <Dr_willis> heh
[06:13] <Jucato> surgy: tbh, no
[06:13] <jay_> what argument for dpkg can you use to find out the requirements of a deb package?
[06:13] <raylu>  without installing it?
[06:13] <jtmoney> Dr_willis: what about compiz?
[06:14] <jtmoney> isn't that supposed to be somewhat more stable?
[06:14] <surgy> jucato: for example..... when i first picked up linux i hopped onto a ubuntu site and saw a howto on changeing the fstab..... it sasy "sudo gedit " well kubuntu uses nano by defualt not gedit and those things cause great confusion for newbies
[06:14] <Dr_willis> jtmoney,  i tend to test thest things out with the various live cd's
[06:14] <draik> Hello Jucato
[06:14] <Dr_willis> jtmoney,  dont forget that Metiss also.. (or was it mettiss?)
[06:15] <Jucato> hi draik!
[06:15] <draik> Howdy y'all
[06:15] <Jucato> surgy: true. but that's out of Kubuntu's direct control. in that situation, the best way would be to contact the owner of the site/howto
[06:15] <Adydas> surgy: Thats beacuse ubuntu help is based on gnome
[06:15] <Adydas> kubutu help is based on KDE
[06:15] <Jucato> surgy: for thing under the wiki, anyone can easily put in kubuntu-specific instructions
[06:15] <surgy> jucato: that example is even evident in most of the how toos ubotu shows
[06:16] <jtmoney> Dr_willis: looks pretty good
[06:16] <surgy> i see
[06:16] <jtmoney> i think i'll resume in feisty fox
[06:16] <jtmoney> this is too broken for me right now
[06:16] <Adydas> ubuntu gnome kubuntu kde
[06:16] <jtmoney> well, beryl is anyways
[06:16] <Jucato> surgy: I do realize the need for more Kubuntu instructions, but that problem will not be solved by a separate site/wiki
[06:16] <surgy> adydas...... i know that........ thanks for insult :)
[06:16] <Jucato> surgy: all the more, it makes it even more difficult to maintain such a site
[06:17] <Adydas> It sounded like you didnt, what i was getting at was subsitute a gedit command for a kde based on
[06:17] <jay_> any one here runs "emesene"? Whhere can i get python2.4-gtk2?
[06:17] <yuriy> surgy: just whenever you see only gedit on the wiki, edit and put in "or on kubuntu: kwrite..."
[06:17] <Dr_willis> jtmoney,  i tried to install mandriva to hd just to test it out more.. it failed.. I hope metisse gets included as an option inother disrtos soon.
[06:17] <Jucato> Adydas: we were sort of discussing something else
[06:17] <surgy> jucato: agreed. but kubuntu is as big if not bigger than ubuntu's comunity so why do they get all the good howtos/wiki ?
[06:17] <Dr_willis> heh - some of the wikis/howtos are very bad.. :)
[06:17] <Jucato> surgy: not sure your premise is correct
[06:17] <surgy> yuriy: i know that now im talking about making it easier for newcommers not myself
[06:17] <fearl> Hello, I'm running Feisty, I'm wondering how I might go about removing my repeated GTK Styles and Fonts KControl entry
[06:18] <Dr_willis> I think there needs to be a Kbunmtu/Ubuntu AND "console" versions  for each one.
[06:18] <Jucato> surgy: because ubuntu users spend their time actually writing something :)
[06:18] <yuriy> surgy: that is what i mean. edit the wiki to make it easier for newcomers
[06:18] <Jucato> fearl: please ask in #ubuntu+1?
[06:18] <surgy> yuriy: will do
[06:18] <Gerald> speaking of tect editors, why does kate give CLI errors when I try and invoke it from the CLI, such as "sudo kate /etc/network/interfaces"
[06:18] <Dr_willis> Ubuntu users are not as disrtacted by the useable desktop as us Kubuntu guys are..
[06:18] <Dr_willis> so they got time to write howtos
[06:18] <Adydas> Gerald: kdesu kate /etc/network/interfaces
[06:18] <surgy> geral: kdesu kate not sudo kate :)
[06:18] <Dr_willis> Gerald,  first guess.. the wacom tablet entrys in the xorg.conf
[06:19] <Jucato> surgy: see, this is the reason why. some ubuntu users see a need for a guide, and they make it. kubuntu users see the need for kubuntu-specific instructions, and they ask why there isn't any :)
[06:19] <fearl> Jucato: Nice suggestion... I'm banned.... do you know where KControl module lists are located?
[06:19] <Dr_willis> Gerald,  but whats the exact error?
[06:19] <surgy> !kdesu | gerald
[06:19] <ubotu> gerald: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[06:19] <Jucato> fearl: try #kubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-ops to ask why you're banned
[06:19] <yuriy> !info kwrite feisty
[06:19] <ubotu> Package kwrite does not exist in feisty
[06:19] <surgy> jucato: agreed
[06:19] <Jucato> yuriy: kwrite isn't a separate package
[06:19] <Gerald> oh, ok... no wonder... been an ubuntu user until a couple of days ago
[06:20] <bumzo> hi giys
[06:20] <Jucato> yuriy: technically, kwrite is a simplified wrapper around katepart :)
[06:20] <yuriy> Jucato: is it part of kate? just that for some reason i recall not having it by default on herd 4, i wanted to make sure i wasn't saying something wrong to surgy
[06:20] <bumzo> how do i instal a .tar.gz file on kubuntu?
[06:20] <Jucato> yuriy: it's part of kdebase
[06:20] <bumzo> ?
[06:20] <Adydas> Gerald: i reccomend JED for what its worth as a text editor
[06:20] <Jucato> bumzo: that depends? is it source code? what are you trying to install?
[06:21] <Adydas> bumzo: gunzip it then untar it
[06:21] <Adydas> but chances are apt-get may be far easyer
[06:21] <Jucato> Adydas: no need for 2 separate processes. tar -xzvf takes care of both :D
[06:21] <Dr_willis> i like 'fte' for a console editor.. of course mc and its mcedit is handy
[06:21] <Adydas> you know, i know that.. but for some reason i still and will allways do it the other way
[06:21] <bumzo> am installing firefox mozilla
[06:21] <Adydas> how dumb..
[06:22] <Adydas> bumzo: sudo apt-get install firefox
[06:22] <Dr_willis> !unp
[06:22] <Jucato> bumzo: you can install firefox from the repositories.
[06:22] <ubotu> unp: unpack (almost) everything with one command. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.10 (edgy), package size 9 kB, installed size 72 kB
[06:22] <bumzo> i have downloaded the .tar.gz file ... its just sitting on my home folder
[06:22] <Gerald> the error i get, even with kdesu, is...
[06:22] <Dr_willis> im real lazy and use 'unp'  :)
[06:22] <surgy> !nvidia
[06:22] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:22] <bumzo> something wrong with my repository coz it wont install
[06:22] <Gerald> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[06:22] <Gerald>   Major opcode:  145
[06:22] <Gerald>   Minor opcode:  3
[06:22] <Gerald>   Resource id:  0x0
[06:22] <Gerald> Failed to open device
[06:22] <Jucato> !pastebin | Gerald
[06:22] <ubotu> Gerald: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:22] <Adydas> bumzo: ok kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:22] <Gerald> sorry
[06:22] <Dr_willis> Gerald,  thats the wacom tablet 'feature' that gets asked about soooooooo        many times. :)
[06:23] <raylu>  Adydas, might want to ask for the error first
[06:23] <Dr_willis> Gerald,  its just a warning.. dosetn affect anything
[06:23] <Adydas> the past 4 people ive helped today have had the repos turned off by #s i was going to check that wasnt the case here first
[06:23] <raylu>  oh
[06:23] <Gerald> but as often as i use the CLI to invoke text editors, my log file is going to file up with useless warnings
[06:24] <Gerald> lol
[06:24] <Adydas> if thats no the case, your suggestion was mine
[06:24] <Jucato> Gerald: agreed. they're useless and harmless though
[06:24] <bumzo> wow wow wow ....english guys .. am a rookie
[06:24] <Gerald> is there a way to prevent that warning?
[06:24] <Adydas> bumzo: open up a console
[06:25] <Adydas> and run the command
[06:25] <Adydas> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:25] <bumzo> says ''unable to unlock the administration directory, is another process using it?''
[06:25] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: yes, mako said it was cute
[06:25] <surgy> jucato: seams i have an account at your wiki allready :)
[06:25] <Jucato> surgy: it's not my wiki :)
[06:25] <Gerald> wonders why anyone would use FF
[06:26] <raylu>  bumzo, that's not an issue with your repositories. Do you have the add/remove programs thing open or adept?
[06:26] <surgy> jucato: our wiki*
[06:26] <Adydas> ill say.. Opera
[06:26] <xoss> how do i update konqueror??
[06:26] <surgy> bumzo: terminate anything using root and try again
[06:26] <raylu>  xoss, to what?
[06:26] <Gerald> opera is nice but it's not free software
[06:26] <bumzo> thats whn i run ''sudo agt-get install firefox'' from bumzo@bumzo:$
[06:26] <Adydas> trust you to be right raylu
[06:26] <Adydas> its not free?
[06:26] <Gerald> no
[06:26] <Dr_willis> opera is free but not 'free' :)
[06:26] <raylu>  huh?
[06:26] <yuriy> opera is what makes me not a FOSS zealot
[06:26] <Dr_willis> No cost.. but not GPL.
[06:26] <Gerald> free as in freedom is all i will use
[06:26] <bumzo> yes .,..and fireforx is greyed out as in disabled
[06:26] <surgy> free means "freedom" guys not free of charge......
[06:27] <Adydas> o ok
[06:27] <Gerald> libre software is another term
[06:27] <xoss> better yet how do i update my kubuntu 6.10...
[06:27] <surgy> bumzo try closing everything and typing this in console: sudo apt-get install firefox
[06:27] <Dr_willis> I try to like opera.. but the more i use it.. the more i dont like it..
[06:27] <bumzo> how do i terminate everything using root?
[06:27] <raylu>  bum
[06:27] <raylu>  ack
[06:27] <Adydas> close it
[06:27] <surgy> bumzo: click the little x button
[06:27] <raylu>  bumzo, you definitely don't want to do that.
[06:27] <Gerald> lol
[06:28] <bumzo> the console window is closed
[06:28] <Dr_willis> well bbl
[06:28] <Jucato> bumzo: is Adept or Add/Remove Programs still opened?
[06:28] <yuriy> xoss: when there are updates a little icon appears in your system tray
[06:28] <jay_> any one here runs "emesene"? Whhere can i get python2.4-gtk2?
[06:28] <yuriy> xoss: you click it, put in your password, and tell it to update
[06:29] <Gerald> anyone know how to stop that stupid message from appearing when invoking kate from the CLI?
[06:29] <raylu>  jay_, have you tried installing it with apt?
[06:29] <Jucato> Gerald: comment out/remove the wacom entried in xorg.conf
[06:29] <Gerald> ok, cool, thanks
[06:29] <xoss> yuriy: how do i do it with apt??
[06:30] <bumzo> ok guys this gets interesting
[06:30] <yuriy> xoss: you mean command line?
[06:30] <bumzo> i closed everything
[06:30] <bumzo> rane the command ''sudo apt-get install firefox
[06:30] <xoss> yuriy: yes..
[06:30] <bumzo> this is what i got ..
[06:30] <yuriy> xoss: sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[06:30] <xoss> yuriy: thanks
[06:30] <yuriy> xoss: or even better aptitude instead of apt-get
[06:30] <Jucato> er..
[06:30] <bumzo> ''reading package list ... done
[06:31] <bumzo> building dependancy tree .. .done
[06:31] <Jucato> yuriy, xoss: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:31] <Jucato> !pastebin | bumzo
[06:31] <ubotu> bumzo: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:31] <yuriy> Jucato: my bad, i don't usually use the && (but it works without the extra sudo if you put in quotes)
[06:32] <Jucato> yuriy: heheh :)
[06:32] <bumzo> package firefox is notavailable, but is referred to by another package. this may mean that the package is missing, has been obsolete or is only available from another surce
[06:32] <Jucato> O.o
[06:32] <Adydas> sounds like repos..
[06:32] <raylu>  copy paste is your friend
[06:32] <bumzo> however the following package replace it    libnss3
[06:32] <Gerald> bumzo... it's an omen. you're meant to not use firefox
[06:32] <Jucato> yuriy: btw, it seems that dist-upgrade is preferred to upgrade recently...
[06:32] <bumzo> e:package firefox has no installation candidate
[06:32] <Gerald> dillo is calling you, bumzo
[06:33] <bumzo> bumzo@Bumzo :$
[06:33] <Jucato> bumzo: next time, don't paste multiple lines of text in the channel please. thanks
[06:33] <Gerald> where did that name come from, bumzo?
[06:33] <yuriy> Jucato: that's usually for a development release.. or at least in the past for stable releases you only needed upgrade (i always do dist-upgrade myself, i guess i should stop telling people to do things other than what i use myself)
[06:33] <raylu>  Gerald: ew! gtk!!
[06:33] <Gerald> hates dillo since it
[06:34] <Gerald> is featureless
[06:34] <Jucato> yuriy: usually, yes. but Adept and Synaptic are configured to use dist-upgrade when you use the Full Upgrade feature (forgot the name in Synaptic)
[06:34] <bumzo> ok jucato .. i acltually typed out the error mesage from console :)
[06:34] <yuriy> Gerald: i think you're missing the /me at the beginning of your messages ;)
[06:34] <Gerald> konq seems to have too many config options
[06:34] <raylu>  Too many? And opera doesn't?
[06:35] <lunitik> Gerald: try Krusader or Dolphin (probably not part of Edgy though)
[06:35] <Gerald> operas configs are more elegantly laid out in tabs
[06:35] <bumzo> so anyone with an idea of what i should do?
[06:35] <Jucato> !info dolphin
[06:35] <Gerald> bumzo, compile from source
[06:35] <ubotu> dolphin: File manager for KDE focusing on usability. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.0-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 238 kB, installed size 932 kB
[06:35] <lunitik> Gerald: ahh... scratch that... try Firefox... heh
[06:35] <jay_> not in the repos
[06:35] <bumzo> gerald ... how do i do that
[06:35] <yuriy> jay_: python2.4-gtk2 is in the repos...
[06:35] <bumzo> keep in mind am a rookie
[06:35] <yuriy> !info python2.4-gtk2 | jay_
[06:35] <ubotu> jay_: Package python2.4-gtk2 does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[06:35] <yuriy> ooh nvm lol
[06:35] <Gerald> bumzo, compiling from source is not rocket science
[06:35] <yuriy> it's in feisty
[06:36] <raylu>  didn't someone say bumzo had a repos issue?
[06:36] <bumzo> ok ... how do i do that?
[06:36] <Gerald> there are tons of articles out there on how to do it
[06:36] <raylu>  I really don't think it's neccesary to compile FF from source...that's a bit overkill
[06:36] <yuriy> !info python2.3-gtk2
[06:36] <bumzo> raylu? as in
[06:36] <jay_> except i'm running edgy
[06:36] <ubotu> Package python2.3-gtk2 does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[06:36] <Gerald> go to the ubuntu forums and there are how-tos
[06:36] <Jucato> !info python-gtk2
[06:36] <ubotu> python-gtk2: Python bindings for the GTK+ widget set. In component main, is optional. Version 2.10.3-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 1406 kB, installed size 5056 kB
[06:36] <bumzo> or should i just re install this whole thing...will that help?
[06:36] <Jucato> yuriy: ^^^
[06:36] <surgy> a few subtle changes to nvidia howto :)
[06:36] <Jucato> bumzo: no
[06:36] <yuriy> jay_: ^^^
[06:37] <Jucato> !pastebin | bumzo
[06:37] <bumzo> atleast in windows  that usually gets rid of alot of probs .. reinstall lol
[06:37] <ubotu> bumzo: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:37] <Gerald> raylu, but FF compiled from source always runs faster, since you can add options for runtime you cant with the binary blob
[06:37] <jay_>  Depends: python (>=2.4.2), python2.4 (>=2.4.3), python2.4-gtk2 (>=2.8.6), libgtk2.0-0 (>=2.8.20)
[06:37] <Jucato> bumzo: please use pastebin to show the contents of the /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:37] <jay_> that's the depends line for emesene
[06:38] <Gerald> bumzo... that name sounds like a circus linux distro
[06:38] <bumzo> how will that help?
[06:38] <yuriy> jay_:where are you getting that package?
[06:38] <Gerald> use bumzo gnu/linux
[06:38] <jay_> http://emesene-msn.blogspot.com/ think that's the original site
[06:38] <Jucato> bumzo: so that we can see why your system can't find firefox
[06:38] <bumzo> after all .. i have downloaded a tar.gz firefox someone help me install it
[06:39] <raylu>  what repository is needed for firefox anyway?
[06:39] <Jucato> bumzo: it will be more problematic and complicated to do it that way
[06:39] <Jucato> raylu: just main
[06:39] <Gerald> tar xvfz "name_of_file"
[06:39] <bumzo> ok .. let me poste my source.list
[06:39] <Gerald> cd into extracted dir
[06:40] <Gerald> run installer
[06:40] <Jucato> surgy: that's a bit inaccurate
[06:40] <Gerald> bumzo... so ff didnt come with your install?
[06:41] <Jucato> Gerald: Firefox is not installed by default on Kubuntu
[06:41] <Gerald> but why canot he just sudo apt-get install firefox
[06:41] <bumzo> gerald no
[06:41] <Jucato> Gerald: that's what we're trying to find out, if you haven't noticed
[06:41] <surgy> jucato: i saw that fixing now
[06:41] <Gerald> lol
[06:41] <jay_> search on ubuntuforums.org for python2.4 comes up empty
[06:41] <bumzo> ok guys ... posted my source list ...cn some one check it out for me please
[06:42] <Jucato> bumzo: can you give the URL?
[06:42] <raylu>  bumzo: we're going to need the url...
[06:42] <Jucato> (the link)
[06:42] <surgy> jucato: check now?
[06:42] <Gerald> bumzo did you enable all of your sources?
[06:43] <Jucato> surgy: reloading
[06:43] <bumzo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6815/
[06:43] <Jucato> ouch
[06:43] <Jucato> no wonder
[06:43] <Gerald> bumzo, perhaps you should do this... sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop   then you'll have firefox
[06:43] <Jucato> how you have everything disabled
[06:43] <bumzo> eneble al lmy sources? how do i do that?
[06:43] <Jucato> Gerald: won't work
[06:43] <Gerald> no?
[06:44] <bumzo> ahh ... brilliant. let me try
[06:44] <Adydas> deleate the #s
[06:44] <Adydas> from the front of the text with a website on it
[06:44] <surgy> bumzo you have every repo turned off
[06:44] <Jucato> Gerald: look at his sources.list
[06:44] <bumzo> wait ... ubuntu or kubuntu???
[06:44] <Jucato> bumzo: remove the # for the lines that have "deb" at the beginning
[06:44] <surgy> bumzo only remove the # in front of the deb
[06:44] <Jucato> bumzo: doesn't matter. Ubuntu and Kubuntu share the same repositories
[06:44] <bumzo> huh?
[06:45] <raylu>  bumzo, you don't need to install ubuntu-desktop, do what Jucato said
[06:45] <Gerald> bumzo, why don't you just use ubuntu?
[06:45] <Jucato> bumzo: ok. do this. run this command: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:45] <Jucato> Gerald: let's help him with what he needs for the moment, shall we?
[06:45] <Gerald> it might be simpler. dude
[06:45] <bumzo> ok .. .am at the source list
[06:45] <Jucato> Gerald: if it's his decision to use Firefox on Kubuntu, let's respect that, shall we?
[06:46] <Gerald> whatever
[06:46] <Jucato> bumzo: delete the # at the beginning of the lines with "deb"
[06:46] <bumzo> #deb-src http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
[06:46] <bumzo> i remove the # ??
[06:46] <raylu>  Yes
[06:46] <Gerald> yes
[06:46] <Adydas> yes
[06:46] <Adydas> yes
[06:46] <raylu>  Hqhq
[06:46] <Jucato> bumzo: yes. but not from the deb-src
[06:46] <raylu>  *Haha
[06:46] <surgy> stop flooding
[06:47] <bumzo> ok .. done
[06:47] <Adydas> save it
[06:47] <bumzo> then?...i save?
[06:47] <Adydas> and then
[06:47] <Jucato> bumzo: save
[06:47] <Adydas> sudo apt-get update
[06:47] <bumzo> the document could not be saved
[06:47] <Adydas> why?
[06:47] <yuriy> jay_: so it doesn't let you install it if you try right?
[06:48] <Jucato> bumzo: did you run "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list" like I asaid?
[06:48] <Gerald> did you use kdesu?
[06:48] <bumzo> as it was no t possible to write to file ///etc/apt/source.list
[06:48] <Adydas> id guess not
[06:48] <Gerald> lol
[06:48] <surgy> he left out kdesu
[06:48] <Gerald> someone remote into bumzo's box already
[06:48] <surgy> or his permissions are messed up do to an oem install
[06:49] <Jucato> surgy: um... still a bit.. um...
[06:49] <surgy> jucato: how so?
[06:49] <Adydas> how do remote in anyway (like enable it)
[06:49] <bumzo> WAIT
[06:49] <Jucato> surgy: might be better to instruct them to use kdesu kate instead of gksudo gedit in the wiki
[06:49] <bumzo> jucato .. .i ran kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list now its saved
[06:49] <underdog5004> Gerald, that's a little extreme.
[06:49] <Gerald> there's a how-to for remoting in on the KDE FAQs
[06:49] <Adydas> bumzo:
[06:49] <Adydas> sudo apt-get update
[06:49] <Gerald> under...joking
[06:50] <surgy> jucato: your right
[06:50] <Jucato> surgy: just a suggestion
[06:50] <bumzo> it worked .. and its saved
[06:50] <bumzo> now waht?
[06:50] <Adydas> bumzo:
[06:50] <Adydas> sudo apt-get update
[06:50] <Jucato> bumzo: sudo apt-get update
[06:50] <Gerald> wwwwwhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwww!
[06:50] <Jucato> bumzo: then: sudo apt-get install firefox
[06:50] <Gerald> let us pray...
[06:51] <bumzo> its connecting to au.archive.ubuntu.com ..
[06:51] <Adydas> awum its updateing for you bumzo
[06:51] <bumzo> reading package list ... done
[06:51] <Jucato> surgy: suggestion: make a note and the corresponding Kubuntu command for the places where gksudo gedit is mentioned. much easier that way than making an umbrella statement at the top
[06:52] <bumzo> think its done ... what next?
[06:52] <raylu>  kmenu  internet . firefox
[06:52] <Adydas> sudo apt-get install firefox
[06:52] <Jucato> bumzo: ^^^
[06:52] <raylu>  Adydas, I think he just ran that
[06:52] <Adydas> i think he ran the update..
[06:52] <surgy> jucato: i like leaving the implementation of the command semi concealed, so they have to try instead of copy/paste
[06:52] <Jucato> raylu: he ran the update
[06:52] <raylu>  ohz.
[06:52] <Adydas> bumzo:
[06:53] <Adydas> sudo apt-get install firefox
[06:53] <bumzo> its wroking i think
[06:53] <Jucato> surgy: and I thought you wanted to make it newbie friendly?
[06:53] <bumzo> did alot of commands then asked me do you want to continue y/n
[06:53] <bumzo> said y
[06:53] <raylu>  Jucato, newbie friendly or friendly to newbies? :P
[06:53] <Jucato> surgy: also, giving the exact command will be less prone to error. rememer you are doing something as root... we try ti minimize errors as much as possible
[06:53] <bumzo> (thats after i did sudo apt-get install firefox)
[06:53] <surgy> jucato: more newbie friendly*      not completely stupid :)
[06:54] <Jucato> surgy: let's not presume the level of experience of those reading the wiki
[06:54] <Gerald> lol
[06:54] <Jucato> specially with a setup such as Kubuntu/Ubuntu
[06:54] <Gerald> bumzo is really RMS pretending
[06:54] <surgy> jucato: lol no ofense.... but im starting to see why more dont edit this thing
[06:55] <Gerald> i remember the first time i built gentoo from stage 1... talk about fear
[06:55] <Gerald> and time...
[06:55] <bumzo> RMS pretending?
[06:56] <Jucato> surgy: think of it this way, you and I might understand that, but that wiki isn't made for people with our experience.
[06:56] <Jucato> we can't presume that everyone who will be reading that, Kubuntu users in particular, would actually know what to do
[06:56] <bumzo> ok can i ask a Qusetion?
[06:56] <Gerald> RMS is a free/libre software luninary. bumzo
[06:56] <Jucato> bumzo: finised installing?
[06:56] <bumzo> not yet ... 35%
[06:56] <Gerald> he wrote a lot of the software that made linux as a distro(s) possible
[06:56] <bumzo> so who put the # ...coz i have never altered the source list
[06:56] <Gerald> comes that way
[06:56] <Jucato> bumzo: ah Dapper...
[06:57] <surgy> jucato: best if i revert it to how i found it then...... i understand your point, i was simply trying to add a few hints, not rewrite the thing
[06:57] <Jucato> bumzo: in the Dapper installer, if you installed without an internet connection, it disables the sources.list entries
[06:57] <goban>  i keep getting cannot talk to klauncher errors help?
[06:57] <Jucato> surgy: no need to rewrite the thing
[06:57] <bumzo> ahh ... thats makes sense
[06:57] <Jucato> let me show you. don't revert anything yet, ok?
[06:57] <Jucato> surgy: ^^^
[06:57] <bumzo> so how can i update everything ... now that am on the net???
[06:57] <bumzo> coz i cant play videos etc
[06:58] <Gerald> bumzo... after tonight, i highly recommend you read the kubuntu forums... lots of good info there. you'll save yourself lots of time typing in here
[06:58] <genii> Any word on next LTS release? 8.04(or so, when Dapper LTS is done?)
[06:58] <bumzo> gerlad ... fo sho i will
[06:58] <Jucato> genii: no word yet
[06:58] <bumzo> how can i install limewirelinux.rpm?
[06:58] <surgy> jucato: ok let me undo my revertion
[06:58] <Jucato> surgy: don't!!!
[06:58] <bumzo> just downloaded it too .. and its sitting here
[06:58] <Jucato> I'm going to work on what you added
[06:59] <surgy> jucato: i was just fixing to click save.... i canceled
[06:59] <surgy> jucato: its how you aw it last time
[06:59] <surgy> although it still need kdesu and gksudo added
[06:59] <Gerald> bumzo, an RPM is not compatible with apt unless you download some stuff that would take you all night
[06:59] <surgy> to my parts at least
[06:59] <goban>  i keep getting cannot talk to klauncher errors help?
[06:59] <bumzo> i'll pass
[07:00] <Gerald> find a tar.gz install instead
[07:00] <raylu>  bumzo, look for an alternate linux version of limewire
[07:00] <bumzo> so what P2P can i use on kubuntu?
[07:00] <Jucato> !frostwire
[07:00] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[07:00] <goban> !ktorrent
[07:00] <ubotu> ktorrent: BitTorrent client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.3+dfsg1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1155 kB, installed size 5032 kB
[07:00] <surgy> jucato: i really dont mind helping with the documentation
[07:00] <raylu>  also, bumzo, the first time you try and play videos, it should walk you through getting the codecs
[07:00] <raylu>  !linuxdcpp
[07:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linuxdcpp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:00] <raylu>  :(
[07:01] <Gerald> bumzo is really the RIAA...
[07:01] <Jucato> surgy: I know you don't. but when working with docs, we have to really consider a wide range of users with varying usage experiences
[07:01] <Gerald> lol
[07:01] <raylu>  that works ^ but the binary is hard to find and the only other version is cvs
[07:01] <Jucato> surgy: and your efforts and intentions are greatly appreciated :)
[07:01] <surgy> jucato: if they werent i whouldnt try :)
[07:01] <bumzo> raylu... i downloaded limewireother.zip .... have no idea what to do with it to
[07:01] <bumzo> RIAA????
[07:01] <raylu>  bumzo, what is it supposed to be? you can right-click on it and open it with ark if you want
[07:02] <surgy> bumzo: use your repos to get frostwire
[07:02] <raylu>  bumzo, ignore that statement about the riaa =\
[07:02] <Gerald> lol
[07:02] <raylu>  you really are confusing him =\
[07:02] <surgy> bumzo: type sudo apt-get install frostwire   into a console
[07:02] <Gerald> lol
[07:03] <bumzo> it wil fetch it?....let me try
[07:03] <raylu>  it'll fetch it, and more ;)
[07:03] <bumzo> wait ... the firefox is stil linstalling .... should i open another consol?
[07:03] <Gerald> someone tell the poor guy about proxy servers before he starts dl'ing all of britnet spears albums
[07:03] <surgy> bumzo, not to add to confusion but frostwire requires the latest jre
[07:03] <goban> when i try to open any KDE apps i get something like this: http://pastebin.com/885665 please help
[07:03] <surgy> bumzo no
[07:04] <surgy> gerald: why dont you?
[07:04] <bumzo> ok ... lemmi chill
[07:04] <Gerald> i will after he finshes
[07:04] <bumzo> DONE
[07:04] <bumzo> firefox has finished
[07:04] <bumzo> now where do i get it??
[07:04] <raylu>  KMenu > Internet >
[07:04] <Adydas> type firefox and hit enter
[07:04] <Adydas> or use the menus
[07:04] <surgy> bumzo type sudo apt-get install frostwire
[07:05] <Gerald> jre should be a dependency of frostwire, right?
[07:05] <surgy> goban: the first input device errors are normal
[07:05] <Gerald> so it should get it, true?
[07:05] <raylu>  let apt-get deal with the dependency, yes
[07:05] <goban> surgy: ah ok, how should i go about fixing?
[07:05] <surgy> but apt-get wont automaticly get jre
[07:05] <raylu>  o.0?
[07:05] <bumzo> EUREKA ... i have firefox
[07:05] <surgy> goban are you familiar withopening and editing xorg?
[07:06] <Gerald> lol@bumzo
[07:06] <goban> surgy: somewhat
[07:06] <raylu>  bum
[07:06] <raylu>  zo =\ you win!
[07:06] <Gerald> lol
[07:06] <bumzo> wait .. will i have to be opening console and typing firefox everytime i want to launch it??
[07:06] <Gerald> no
[07:06] <raylu>  bumzo: KMenu > Internet >
[07:06] <surgy> goban ok open your xorg and find all the sections that have "device = wacom"
[07:06] <bumzo> cant see it :(
[07:06] <raylu>  though I find alt+F2> firefox easier
[07:06] <raylu>  bumzo, Firefox isn't listed under Internet of KMenu?
[07:06] <surgy> goban and then coment those sections out using # at the beginning of every line in that section
[07:06] <Gerald> bumzo, you actually have to write an 800 line shell script before you can use FF
[07:07] <raylu>  ...
[07:07] <raylu>  ignore that too =\
[07:07] <goban> surgy: that wont hurt beryl/gnome will it?
[07:07] <surgy> goban: a wacom is an input device for a tablet pc
[07:07] <surgy> goban if your not using a tablet you dont need a wacom
[07:07] <goban> gotcha thanks, ill do that brb
[07:07] <Gerald> poor bumzo.... his fingers and brain arenumb after all this
[07:08] <Adydas> Hey guys, ive put this together to attempt to help people set repos and update and install using apt-get after seeing / having hundreds of requests for help today, any comments. http://adydas.net/linux/repo-howto.txt
[07:08] <raylu>  this could have taken a little less time if you hadn't said all those random things, you know
[07:08] <Gerald> doubtful
[07:08] <Gerald> lol
[07:08] <goban> device = wacom string not found
[07:08] <surgy> gerald: you are counter productive a lot
[07:09] <Gerald> i installed gentoo as a newb and it took me 2 days....lol
[07:09] <surgy> goban: what?
[07:09] <Gerald> what a waste of time
[07:09] <Jucato> surgy: check the page now to see what I mean
[07:09] <surgy> goban type this: kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:09] <surgy> jucato hold please
[07:09] <surgy> !nvidia
[07:09] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:10] <Gerald> bumzo, do you have a linux users group in your area?
[07:10] <Jucato> surgy: also corrected some grammar/spelling stuff along the way...
[07:10] <bumzo> no ... gerlald i dont
[07:10] <Gerald> where do you live?
[07:10] <bumzo> but i have u guys (Group hug)
[07:10] <Gerald> lol...true
[07:10] <bumzo> amd in EAST AFRICA kenya
[07:10] <goban> surgy: oh so i comment out all sections with driver "wacom"?
[07:10] <surgy> jucato: yeah im not known to be a good speller :)
[07:10] <raylu>  Haha. So, bumzo, are you sure Firefox doesn't appear under Internet of KMenu?
[07:10] <Gerald> oh, then again...
[07:10] <surgy> goban: yes
[07:10] <Jucato> oh darn I forgot
[07:11] <Jucato> bumzo: run this command in Konsole: kbuildsycoca
[07:11] <surgy> goban: make sure you get the whole section and not just the line
[07:11] <Jucato> bumzo: ignore the errors. that will update your K Menu and Firefox will appear
[07:11] <bumzo> hey ... E: couldn't find package frostwire
[07:11] <raylu>  !frostwire
[07:11] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[07:11] <raylu>  o.0
[07:11] <Jucato> frostwire isn't in the repos, raylu
[07:11] <goban> jeez there were 3 of em
[07:12] <bumzo> ERROR no database available
[07:12] <surgy> jucato: you should look at adydas's howto, is there one like it on the wiki? if not adydas you should add it
[07:12] <Gerald> actually, disregard the riaa thing, raylu. he lives in kenya. he's immune
[07:12] <bumzo> EUREKA ... IT DID !!!!
[07:12] <Jucato> surgy: there is, but it's more GUI oriented
[07:12] <Gerald> lol
[07:12] <bumzo> man u guys are good
[07:12] <Jucato> !repositories | surgy
[07:12] <ubotu> surgy: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:13] <Jucato> surgy: there are instructions for both Synaptic and Adept
[07:13] <Gerald> bumzo... you can tell all your friends you're now a linux hacker
[07:13] <bumzo> listen if u are ever in africa ... give me a shout wil lshow u guys around. maasai mara wildlife etc
[07:13] <Jucato> just tell them what a hacker really is
[07:13] <Adydas> surgy: Thanks, im going to.. Im currently writing a few more.. Nvidia drivers,
[07:13] <bumzo> the think am a king now of some sort
[07:14] <Gerald> bumzo... any cute girls in your neighborhood?
[07:14] <surgy> adydas: to be honest nvidia is great you should work on the ATI one
[07:14] <raylu>  Gerald get's right to the point :P
[07:14] <bumzo> LOTS ...with big shapely bootie
[07:14] <Gerald> lol
[07:14] <bumzo> black love reigns
[07:14] <Jucato> er..
[07:14] <raylu>  all of a sudden, instead of going off on a tangent at every step
[07:14] <surgy> goban: you got those commented out?
[07:14] <Jucato> getting offtopic here... and a bit... um...
[07:14] <ForgeAus> hey all :)
[07:14] <Gerald> i'm looking for a cute girl late 20s
[07:14] <Gerald> lol
[07:14] <Gerald> nevermind
[07:14] <bumzo> chicks here have what i call ''onion asses''
[07:14] <ForgeAus> Jucato should the root drive be mounted in fstab?
[07:14] <Gerald> lol
[07:14] <bumzo> ...makes a grown man cry!!!
[07:14] <surgy> !topic
[07:14] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[07:15] <lestat> I need to import a contact list into kopete for MSN.
[07:15] <Gerald> lol@bumzo
[07:15] <Jucato> ForgeAus: you mean the / partition? yes
[07:15] <ForgeAus> and/or does the order matter?
[07:15] <lestat> I can't find anything to tell me how to di this though.
[07:15] <raylu>  lestat, logging in doesn't work?
[07:15] <lestat> What?
[07:15] <lestat> Logging in?
[07:15] <Jucato> ForgeAus: order doesn't matter
[07:15] <raylu>  lestat, use Kopete to login to MSN...it should have all your contacts downloaded from the server
[07:15] <Jucato> lestat: when you login to your MSN account in Kopete, your contacts are already there
[07:15] <lestat> I have an account and I wish to move my old contacts to this new account.
[07:15] <lestat> *a new account
[07:15] <ForgeAus> um jucato my kubuntu partition is on /dev/sdb2 which is also in my fstab...
[07:15] <Jucato> aah
[07:16] <dawn> you know after using ubuntu now for months, its kinda boring ins some respects; typically as windows has issues it livens up my day somwhat
[07:16] <Jucato> ForgeAus: ok... what's the problem?
[07:16] <Gerald> compiles a new girlfriend....
[07:16] <Gerald> lol
[07:16] <surgy> goban: you have to restart xwindows after you comment those and save you xorg...... but i whould recomend restarting the comp, it seams smoother that way
[07:16] <ForgeAus> fsck comes up saying /dev/sdb2 is already mounted
[07:16] <ForgeAus> and quits with an operational error (8)
[07:16] <dawn>  "sudo apt-get upgrade boyfriend"
[07:16] <Jucato> dawn: have you explored every nook and cranny? every package possible? every new technology? every new method? customized to death?
[07:16] <bumzo> ok .. one more ... frostwire
[07:16] <bumzo> how do i intal it ... pleeese
[07:17] <Gerald> fsck... when is linux going to go to soft updates like the BSDs?
[07:17] <dawn> jucato, *h3ll* no
[07:17] <ForgeAus> and starts a recovery shell instead of booting to gui
[07:17] <Gerald> lol@dawn
[07:17] <bumzo> raylu ... what should i do
[07:17] <Jucato> dawn: then you still have lots of things to do to keep you occupied, without the viruses :)
[07:17] <bumzo> gerlald?
[07:17] <dawn> aye
[07:17] <raylu>  !frostwire | bumzo
[07:17] <ubotu> bumzo: frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[07:17] <ForgeAus> Gerald what do you mean soft updates?
[07:17] <Jucato> bumzo: did you read the page linked ^^^^
[07:17] <raylu>  i've never installed frostwire before
[07:17] <lestat> Jucato: Any idea?
[07:17] <dawn> i was on some pron sites last night trying to break my machine
[07:17] <dawn> with spyware
[07:17] <dawn> lol
[07:17] <lestat> I don't have to use Kopete to import them...
[07:17] <dawn> NADA
[07:17] <Jucato> lestat: no, not really. I only have 1 msn...
[07:18] <lestat> But Gaim doesn't do it either...
[07:18] <Gerald> forge... fask is antiquated in the BSDs now... they use soft updating...
[07:18] <ForgeAus> dawn I don't recommend doing that
[07:18] <Jucato> dawn: Linux lets you think of more creative ways to break your machine :)
[07:18] <bumzo> lemmi read it
[07:18] <surgy> dawn: and your complaining? thats your expensive machine wont break?
[07:18] <Gerald> dawn... shame on you...porn....does your mother know?
[07:18] <dawn> haha
[07:18] <dawn> *hush*
[07:18] <dawn> sure I can break my machine a multitude of ways
[07:19] <ForgeAus> I gotta go buy some stamps brb
[07:19] <dawn> Gerald: Mother is passed
[07:19] <Gerald> well, God knows....
[07:19] <bumzo> helooo
[07:19] <Gerald> hello, bumzo
[07:19] <surgy> dawn change your root pw to 1 and open all your firewall ports and broadcast it on every blog you can think of
[07:20] <Gerald> dawn... i'll just take your IP address... nessus and nmap can do the rest
[07:20] <Tm_T> I think that is slipping to offtopic ;)
[07:20] <Gerald> lol
[07:20] <surgy> sorry
[07:20] <Gerald> he was joking... all in good fun
[07:20] <Tm_T> I know.
[07:21] <Gerald> bumzo, let's talk about linux in kenya...alot of users?
[07:21] <Tm_T> But I think in the middle of your conversation there was some real questions ;)
[07:21] <surgy> gerald i wasnt
[07:21] <Gerald> lol
[07:21] <raylu>  maybe Tm_T is from the RIAA :P
[07:22] <Gerald> lol
[07:22] <Gerald> bumzo is really ESR
[07:22] <surgy> well if no one can learn from my limited knowledge on this subject then i should leave
[07:22] <Gerald> lol
[07:22] <bumzo> linux in kenya is picking up
[07:22] <Gerald> that's great, bumzo
[07:23] <Gerald> are you in university?
[07:23] <dawn_> well darn I got dcc'd
[07:23] <Gerald> dawn... penance for surfing pr0n
[07:23] <bumzo> i love this os
[07:23] <Tm_T> !dcc
[07:23] <ubotu> There are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[07:23] <bumzo> where u from gerald?
[07:23] <bumzo> no ... i run my own cyber ... want to do my masters though in july @ australia
[07:24] <Gerald> bumzo, just remember, linux is not an OS, it's a kernel only
[07:24] <raylu>  oh geez, gerald =\
[07:24] <bumzo> ?
[07:24] <Gerald> lol
[07:24] <raylu>  it's good enough to call it an os
[07:24] <Gerald> sorry, RMS coming out in me
[07:24] <raylu>  !linux
[07:24] <ubotu> Linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[07:25] <Gerald> bumzo, you need to really read up on a man named Ricahrd Stallman. Take what he says are the absolute truth.
[07:25] <Gerald> http://stallman.org/
[07:26] <crazy_bus> I download a kpresenter file.  Is openoffice capable of opening it?
[07:27] <Jucato> crazy_bus: if it's an .odp, then yes.
[07:27] <raylu>  crazy_bus, you could just try...
[07:27] <bumzo> who is richard Stallman??
[07:27] <bumzo> is he the ''bill gates'' of kubuntu? lol
[07:27] <Jucato> but try. oo.o might be able to open it
[07:27] <crazy_bus> its a .kpr file
[07:27] <Jucato> bumzo: no. please do a Google search if you're interested. thanks :)
[07:28] <Gerald> bumzo, richard stallman founded the free software foundation.
[07:28] <Gerald> go read the link i posted
[07:28] <Adydas> so its defantly not bill gates then :p
[07:28] <Gerald> he's a brilliant guy
[07:28] <surgy> jucato: whats the chances of a "Script kiddie" or other retard scanning my network block and finding a voulnerability in my kubuntu's stock security features?
[07:28] <Tm_T> surgy: Not that big.
[07:29] <Gerald> surgy, not likely if you have a firewall running nat
[07:29] <Gerald> as you should have
[07:29] <surgy> bumzo: the "billgates of kubuntu" is Linus Torvalds
[07:29] <Jucato> surgy: almost zero, even if you don't have a firewall
[07:29] <Tm_T> surgy: By default, there should be no holes because there's no walls either. :)
[07:29] <Jucato> surgy: that is not correct
[07:29] <surgy> jucato: i have a hardware firewall
[07:29] <Gerald> linksys router?
[07:29] <Jucato> surgy: the the chances are even smaller
[07:29] <crazy_bus> its just comes up with a filter selection.  And I couldn't see kpresenter in it
[07:29] <surgy> 2wire router/adsl modem
[07:29] <Gerald> running nat?
[07:30] <surgy> jucato: should i be worried? or instance if my ip was obtained in an irc room?
[07:30] <bumzo> gerald where u @?
[07:30] <Gerald> surgy...no
[07:30] <Jucato> surgy: no
[07:30] <Gerald> i'm in Texas, bumzo
[07:31] <Kite_DH> what was the cmd to update my system?
[07:31] <Kite_DH> sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[07:31] <Kite_DH> or sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[07:31] <Jucato> Kite_DH: sudo apt-get update
[07:31] <Kite_DH> ok
[07:31] <Kite_DH> thx
[07:31] <Jucato> then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:31] <surgy> jucato: ok i find it easy to get cought up in the hype of people rotating ips 10 times and hour and switching ips with there buddies and stuff to make it harder
[07:31] <Jucato> those two almost always go together
[07:31] <Kite_DH> does that work for fedora core too?
[07:31] <Jucato> Kite_DH: no
[07:31] <Tm_T> Jucato: dist-upgrade should be used with high caution.
[07:31] <Adydas> yum is used for fedora
[07:32] <Gerald> no... it can, but they use yum
[07:32] <Jucato> Tm_T: dist-upgrade is the default action for Adept and Synaptic
[07:32] <Gerald> you can dl apt for fedora, tho
[07:32] <Kite_DH> kk, my friend was asking
[07:32] <Tm_T> Jucato: Still.
[07:32] <surgy> kite_DH: fedora uses yum
[07:32] <Tm_T> Jucato: Because it can remove stuff, for people who doesn't look what they do, it's dangerous.
[07:32] <Kite_DH> surgy: how can he update then?
[07:32] <Gerald> and apt
[07:32] <surgy> kite_DH: who?
[07:32] <Kite_DH> surgy: my friend just installed FD6.0
[07:32] <Gerald> kite.... yum check update
[07:33] <Kite_DH> ok
[07:33] <Jucato> Tm_T: only when you're using Adept. apt-get and Synaptic will ask for your confirmation first and notify you
[07:33] <surgy> kite_DH: tell him to go to #fedora
[07:33] <Kite_DH> ok
[07:33] <Tm_T> Jucato: So just add "but look what it asks" and they'll be fine. ;)
[07:33] <Jucato> :)
[07:33] <Jucato> play nice people
[07:33] <Tm_T> To work, have fun. ->
[07:33] <Gerald> i still prefer the tgz based updating like the BSDs
[07:34] <Gerald> even tho linux is nicer to live in
[07:34] <surgy> jucato: whats that mean "play nice people" was that pointed at me?
[07:34] <Gerald> surgy... you paranoid?
[07:34] <julio> surgy
[07:34] <surgy> gerald: i came from windows xp about 3 months ago..... do you really have to ask that?
[07:35] <surgy> julio?
[07:35] <Gerald> lol@windows
[07:35] <Gerald> i came from max os x and before that os 9 and 8
[07:35] <julio> how are you
[07:35] <surgy> julio: im fine and yourself?
[07:35] <Kite_DH> surgy: how can i move files in terminal?
[07:35] <Gerald> i've been using linux since 98 on and off, tho
[07:35] <julio> good
[07:35] <Gerald> kite... man the mv command
[07:36] <bumzo> gerlald .. they say everything is BIG in texas
[07:36] <Gerald> man mv
[07:36] <bumzo> lol
[07:36] <surgy> ktie_DH: cp [file directory]   [directory to copy to] 
[07:36] <Kite_DH> how can i move my entire DVD via cmd?
[07:36] <Gerald> cp copies, mv moves and renames... use mv
[07:36] <Kite_DH> ok
[07:36] <surgy> kite_dh: example: cp /media/movie  /media/kitemovie
[07:36] <Gerald> bumzo, things are big in texas
[07:36] <julio> i have  aquestion frien
[07:36] <Kite_DH> alright
[07:36] <Kite_DH> thank you
[07:37] <surgy> !ask | julio
[07:37] <ubotu> julio: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:37] <julio> ok
[07:37] <Gerald> the only thing in texas that isn't big is my paycheck
[07:37] <Gerald> not enough linux in texas if you ask me
[07:37] <surgy> !offtopic | gerald
[07:37] <ubotu> gerald: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:38] <bumzo> lol @ gerald
[07:38] <premier_> My external hard drive has been turning off for no reason while in use, especially as its just starting up
[07:38] <bumzo> ok .. one more thing please
[07:38] <bumzo> how do i install java
[07:38] <premier_> Im worried that its going to be destroyed
[07:38] <bumzo> can i get it from the repository?
[07:38] <surgy> premier_: sounds like power failure look into your power settings
[07:38] <premier_> bumzo: I think you have to go to the sun website
[07:38] <Gerald> that i don't know, bumxo... i don't use any non-free software... ask one of these esteemed people in here
[07:38] <surgy> premier_: if its not allready destroyed*
[07:39] <julio> ihave a tv card that ibeen using with windows but idont no how usit on linux anybody can helpme
[07:39] <surgy> bumzo: let me get the package name
[07:39] <premier_> surgy: its still accessable, but theres nowhere I could backup all that data.  It has its own powersource (it plugs into the wall)
[07:39] <Gerald> wow... tv card under linux... i think democracy tv has some stuff on getting them to work under linux
[07:39] <surgy> bumzo: type sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[07:40] <Gerald> lol
[07:40] <Gerald> bumzo is on a roll
[07:40] <surgy> premier_: i dont know then sorry
[07:40] <surgy> !tvtuner
[07:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tvtuner - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:40] <Adydas> Top 3 things you feel you help people with here people. what are they? apt-get anything else?
[07:40] <Gretl> julio what programm have you tried?
[07:40] <surgy> !tuner
[07:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tuner - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:41] <goban> i keep getting cannot talk to klauncher errors please help, heres error: http://pastebin.com/885665
[07:41] <julio> anyone
[07:41] <goban> and whoever told me to edit out all wacom lines in xorg.conf made x not start, and i had to revert it with the live CD :(
[07:41] <surgy> adydas: write a how to on apple ipod and amarok the current ones suck
[07:41] <Adydas> use the backup
[07:41] <Adydas> Wicked, i have an ipod and amarok
[07:41] <Gretl> i use tvtime or kdetv works fine
[07:41] <bumzo> soon .. i'll be having a one on one with ubotu ;)
[07:41] <goban> didnt know how to change the name of the backup in bash
[07:42] <surgy> goban: then you edited something you shouldnt have
[07:42] <Adydas> goban:
[07:42] <Adydas> may i help
[07:42] <Adydas> http://adydas.net/linux/linux-commands.txt
[07:42] <goban> Adydas: sure :) ill paste my xorg.conf
[07:42] <surgy> go for it adydas
[07:42] <Adydas> its a work in progress but use that to rename the backup file to the correct file
[07:42] <goban> surgy: maybe i did sorry
[07:42] <surgy> goban: not a problem
[07:42] <Adydas> Its a work in progress so dont be to hard
[07:43] <surgy> goban post and then ill edit it and post back so all you have to do is copy/paste it over your old xorg
[07:43] <julio> thanks friends
[07:43] <bumzo> couldn't find package sun-java6-jre
[07:44] <surgy> bumzo: you have a repo blocked still
[07:44] <Jucato> bumzo: you need to enable the dapper-backports repository in sources.list
[07:44] <bumzo> so how do i ''unblock''
[07:44] <surgy> follow adydas's repo guide :)
[07:44] <Gerald> goban, when you edit a config file. always make a backup before doing so.... cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.orig
[07:44] <Adydas> http://adydas.net/linux/repo-howto.txt
[07:45] <Gerald> that way you're safe
[07:45] <Kite_DH> surgy: ..hey it doesnt work coz in the name is a <space>       -----> media:/hda/Mini Moni Chiccha~ 001- 015 (2000-10-15 to 2001-04-29)
[07:45] <goban> http://pastebin.com/885675
[07:45] <bumzo> jucato ... how do i do taht?
[07:45] <Jucato> bumzo: same way we did earlier
[07:45] <surgy> kite_DH: you have to remove the spaces and never name anything with a space again :)
[07:45] <goban> Gerald: i did, but i didnt know how to change the backup to the real via command line
[07:45] <Adydas> i may need to add more info but still
[07:45] <goban> surgy: much thanks BTW
[07:46] <goban> i thought i did what you said but i must have messed it up
[07:46] <surgy> goban its easy to restore backup
[07:46] <bumzo> what was the command line again? kdu....something something
[07:46] <Adydas> bumzo: http://adydas.net/linux/repo-howto.txt
[07:46] <Gerald> cp it back cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.orig /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:46] <Admiral_Chicago> hey Jucato do you know anything about python errors in dapper
[07:46] <Adydas> its about 6 lines down
[07:46] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: sorry, no
[07:46] <Kite_DH> surgy: hmm....
[07:46] <surgy> goban ill edit it and put it back on pastebin for you :)
[07:46] <bumzo> jucato?
[07:47] <bumzo> the command to get to the sourvce list
[07:47] <Gerald> surgy wants his shadow file as well...
[07:47] <Admiral_Chicago> damn, i have this machine that is being odd
[07:47] <Gerald> lol
[07:47] <Jucato> bumzo:  kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:47] <Gerald> bumzo has become the consummate hacker in here
[07:47] <surgy> gerald..... i dont hack
[07:47] <goban> i cded to /etc/X11/ and rm xorg.conf, but i diddnt know how to change xorg.conf.backup to xorg.conf
[07:48] <Gerald> surgy... crackers crack, hackers write code and tinker
[07:48] <goban> ah Gerald just adi above NM
[07:48] <surgy> gerald: and i dont do anything
[07:48] <bumzo> before u know it .. i will develpo kubumzo kernel lol
[07:48] <Admiral_Chicago> crackers attempt to crack code. hackers try to improve it.
[07:48] <bumzo> jucato ...am there ... so how do i do it?
[07:48] <Admiral_Chicago> offtopic though
[07:48] <Jucato> bumzo: look for the line with "dapper-backports"
[07:49] <Gerald> goban, cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:49] <jbruckman> !"orphaned control module"
[07:49] <goban> Gerald: yes thanks :)
[07:49] <Gerald> you
[07:49] <Jucato> bumzo: then remove the # at the beginning of that line with "deb"
[07:49] <Gerald> are welcome
[07:49] <Adydas> bumzo: i highly reccomend you check out http://adydas.net/linux/repo-howto.txt
[07:49] <bumzo> done and saved
[07:50] <Gerald> goban, make another copy before you edit it again...
[07:50] <Gerald> call it orig, not backup
[07:50] <Jucato> bumzo: sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[07:50] <jbruckman> does anyone know about the module loading error in the system settings, where it gives the diagnosis as either an orphaned module, or old third party modules?
[07:50] <Gerald> that way you know it's the actual original from the install
[07:51] <bumzo> updating jucato
[07:51] <surgy> jucato will you look at goban's xorg for me? i cant see what he messed up that whould keep it from starting
[07:51] <bumzo> are u on msn or yahoo jucato?
[07:51] <Admiral_Chicago> jbruckman: sudo dpkg-reconfingure -phigh xserver-xorg
[07:51] <Admiral_Chicago> that may help.
[07:51] <jbruckman> Admiral_Chicago: thanks.
[07:52] <goban> surgy: thats not the changed one, thats the origional.  the changed one i just commented out all lines in sections that had wacom as driver
[07:52] <Kite_DH> whhyyy...
[07:52] <Kite_DH> why does it stop copying at 91%?? :(
[07:52] <Kite_DH> all the time
[07:52] <Kite_DH> on every file over 500MB
[07:52] <Kite_DH> from DVD to HD
[07:52] <surgy> goban oh ok let me change it for you
[07:53] <bumzo> ITS WORKED JUCATO .... installing
[07:53] <jbruckman> gave me an error.
[07:53] <bumzo> gerald .. .see the way am on a roll
[07:53] <Admiral_Chicago> jbruckman: it's a python error
[07:53] <Gerald> lol@bumzo... you're the consummate hacker now
[07:53] <jbruckman> jbruckman@pyschosis:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfingure -phigh xserver-xorg
[07:53] <jbruckman> Password:
[07:53] <bumzo> gerald ,... u thee?
[07:53] <jbruckman> sudo: dpkg-reconfingure: command not found
[07:53] <jbruckman> jbruckman@pyschosis:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[07:53] <jbruckman> xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been
[07:53] <jbruckman>    customized
[07:53] <jbruckman> xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration
[07:53] <jbruckman>    file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20070221005325
[07:53] <Gerald> here, bumzo
[07:53] <Adydas> AG
[07:53] <bumzo> now ... how do i install a .deb file?
[07:53] <Jucato> !pastebin | jbruckman
[07:53] <ubotu> jbruckman: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:53] <Admiral_Chicago> jbruckman: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=285266&page=2&highlight=orphaned+module
[07:53] <Gerald> almost time to hit the hay
[07:54] <Admiral_Chicago> jbruckman: follow the link Jucato gave :)
[07:54] <Gerald> gotta work in the am
[07:54] <Jucato> bumzo: is that .deb package not in the repositories?
[07:54] <jbruckman> Jucato: apologies.
[07:54] <bumzo> no ... its the frostwire i just downloaded
[07:54] <Admiral_Chicago> bumzo: sudo dpkg -i *.deb....but it's most likely in the repos (the suggested way)
[07:54] <Jucato> ah
[07:54] <Gerald> bumzo's gonna get him so free music
[07:54] <bumzo> gerlad ... tahnks alot for everything guy
[07:54] <Admiral_Chicago> frostwire is in the repos
[07:54] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: um.. it isn't
[07:55] <bumzo> yeah ...
[07:55] <Gerald> np, bumzo... i didn't do much...lol
[07:55] <Kite_DH> ...:(
[07:55] <surgy> goban: almost done buddy
[07:55] <Gerald> enjoy your free music
[07:55] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: oh right, i recall know
[07:55] <Gerald> lol
[07:55] <Admiral_Chicago> jbruckman: sudo aptitude reinstall kde-guidance
[07:55] <bumzo> admiral .. u sure?
[07:55] <Gerald> and don't worry about the riaa in africa
[07:55] <bumzo> yeah its not ... but i have downloaded it
[07:55] <Gerald> you're untouchable
[07:55] <Admiral_Chicago> bumzo: no it's not in the repos
[07:55] <bumzo> so how do i install it?
[07:56] <bumzo> its on my sesktop
[07:56] <Jucato> bumzo: in Konqueror, you can right-click on the .deb -> Kubuntu Package Menu -> Install Package. I believe the frostwire wiki page has instructions for all of these
[07:56] <Kite_DH> can somebody help me?
[07:56] <Admiral_Chicago> 00:54 < Admiral_Chicago> bumzo: sudo dpkg -i *.de
[07:56] <Admiral_Chicago> !ask
[07:56] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:56] <Gerald> kite...what do you need?
[07:56] <Kite_DH> i already asked
[07:56] <Kite_DH> =)
[07:56] <Gerald> ask again
[07:56] <Kite_DH> ok
[07:56] <surgy> bumzo: once again is there not a repo package for frostwire?
[07:56] <Gerald> i missed it
[07:56] <Admiral_Chicago> not when I was around
[07:56] <Admiral_Chicago> surgy: no it's not.
[07:57] <bumzo> admiral ... that will pick the deb file from the desktop or it needs to be in the root folder
[07:57] <bumzo> confirmed surgy... there is none
[07:57] <Kite_DH> the problem is that everytime i want to copy files from a DVD to my HD that are 500MB+ it runs to about 80-90% and stalls...then it doesnt continue...
[07:57] <goban> surgy: thanks :) ive just been using linux for a week so im not really familiar with xorg.conf yet
[07:57] <Gerald> bumzo... tell all your friends you're now a kernel hacker working for Linus Torvalds
[07:57] <Admiral_Chicago> bumzo: right click it, install package. if you type that in a konsole do: cd Desktop && sudo dpkg -i *.deb && rm *.deb
[07:58] <Gerald> kite... is your HD full or is the partition full?
[07:58] <Kite_DH> 227GB space left
[07:58] <Kite_DH> =(
[07:58] <Gerald> lol
[07:58] <surgy> goban: ok here it is http://www.pastebin.ca/365807     see how i comented the three sections for wacom? and the three at top?
[07:58] <Gerald> i guess not
[07:59] <Gerald> where are you copying it to?
[07:59] <Kite_DH> cuz i want it on my HD not on a DVD
[07:59] <Gerald> do you have permissions to write to that dir?
[07:59] <goban> surgy: OHHHH i missed the 3 at top
[07:59] <goban> ty :)
[08:00] <jbruckman> Admiral_Chicago: thanks. fixed.
[08:00] <Gerald> bumzo, what time is it in africa right now?
[08:00] <Admiral_Chicago> jbruckman: kde guidance?
[08:00] <Kite_DH> yes i do
[08:01] <Kite_DH> and with terminal it doesnt work coz the name has space in it
[08:01] <Gerald> kite... so it copies and then quits at the same percentage every time
[08:01] <Kite_DH> and i cant rename files on a DVD
[08:01] <surgy> goban :)
[08:01] <Kite_DH> yes, always about 80-90%
[08:01] <surgy> kite_DH: whats your prob?
[08:01] <Gerald> kite... no worries, just hit tab for auto complete
[08:01] <Kite_DH> what do you mean
[08:01] <jbruckman> Admiral_Chicago: yeah
[08:02] <Kite_DH> well lemme give u example
[08:02] <surgy> kite_DH: you need to rename the file
[08:02] <Gerald> surgy... not true
[08:02] <Admiral_Chicago> brilliant
[08:02] <Gerald> i've done it without renaming
[08:02] <Gerald> it
[08:02] <surgy> gerald: everything is easier without spaces
[08:02] <Jucato> Kite_DH: start typing the filename, then Press Tab to autocomplete the filename
[08:02] <Gerald> true
[08:02] <Kite_DH> Gerald: i want "media:/hda/Akira Soundtrack"  to "home/atchen/desktop"
[08:02] <Gerald> kite... is there DRM on that disk?
[08:03] <surgy> then cp those dirs using tab
[08:03] <Kite_DH> whats DRM
[08:03] <goban> surgy: ill let you know if it works :))
[08:03] <Gerald> copy prevention software onboard the DVD
[08:03] <bumzo> hey ... i right clicked the froswire.deb
[08:03] <Gerald> some really new DVDs cannot be copied.... period
[08:03] <bumzo> kubuntu package menu
[08:03] <bumzo> instal
[08:03] <Gerald> digital rights management, kite
[08:03] <bumzo> asked for a pasword
[08:03] <surgy> goban: best of luck
[08:03] <bumzo> that should work right?
[08:03] <Gerald> evil capitalist garbage
[08:04] <Kite_DH> Gerald: smaller files work, but 500BM+ not
[08:04] <julio> kworld tv card with pvr plus programm
[08:04] <jbruckman> yay. i love that i can log in as root now.
[08:04] <Kite_DH> Gerald: i copied like 200MB files
[08:04] <jbruckman> i was lost and frightened without my su command.
[08:04] <Gerald> but are they still copied over?
[08:04] <jbruckman> :-p
[08:04] <Gerald> are they on the HD?
[08:04] <Kite_DH> the small files yes
[08:04] <julio> howi can do to runn to
[08:04] <Gerald> lol
[08:04] <Admiral_Chicago> thats the proper English for it
[08:05] <Kite_DH> the big files stop at 80-90%
[08:05] <Gerald> admiral...evil capitalist garbage
[08:05] <Gerald> that's what it is
[08:05] <raylu>  Kite_DH, are you sure your HD is large enough to hold it?
[08:05] <Gerald> drm is capitalist garbage
[08:05] <julio> surgy help me amigo
[08:05] <jbruckman> lol
[08:05] <Kite_DH> raylu: i have like 230GB space left
[08:05] <raylu>  oh.
[08:05] <Gerald> lol
[08:06] <Gerald> more than enough
[08:06] <surgy> julio: whats the problem man?
[08:06] <Gerald> is the disk corrupt of scratched?
[08:06] <Kite_DH> no
[08:06] <Admiral_Chicago> drm being called "rights" is propaganda that companies use.
[08:06] <julio> the tv card
[08:06] <Kite_DH> its perfect
[08:06] <Kite_DH> lol
[08:06] <Kite_DH> just burned it
[08:06] <Gerald> admiral... i agree... evil capitalist companies
[08:06] <raylu>  hm...there is a way to create rar files with winrar that split the file up into sections; perhaps there is something similar for ark
[08:06] <julio> kworld tv card
[08:07] <surgy> julio: i cant help you man, i dont know anything about them, you will have to read, ill give you a link
[08:07] <surgy> !help | julio
[08:07] <ubotu> julio: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[08:07] <julio> gracias amigo
[08:07] <Gerald> denada, senhor
[08:07] <Gerald> lol
[08:08] <surgy> julius: no prob
[08:08] <surgy> gerald: you are really not helping
[08:08] <julio> no hay problema
[08:08] <Gerald> lol... it's late and i'm tired...
[08:08] <Gretl> i would just istall a tv programm first
[08:08] <Gretl> tvtime for example
[08:09] <surgy> julio: en englesh please
[08:09] <julio> no problem
[08:09] <surgy> gretI: the reason jolio asks me is becuase he doesnt know english very well
[08:10] <surgy> gretI: so its hard for him to understand is there a spanish kubuntu room?
[08:10] <julio> and idon know ingles mi amigo
[08:10] <surgy> !spanish
[08:10] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[08:10] <goban> surgy: cool less errors now :) jsut abotu 15 ktorrent: ERROR: : couldn't create slave : Cannot talk to klauncher
[08:10] <surgy> !spanish|julio
[08:10] <ubotu> julio: please see above
[08:10] <ForgeAus> so nobody knows how to use Xephyr and/or Xnest
[08:11] <julio> gracias amigos
[08:11] <surgy> goban: i cant help with those and gratzs
[08:11] <ForgeAus> sofar all I get is an unuxable blank X-Server...
[08:11] <Gerald> goodnight all...
[08:11] <ForgeAus> grr  unusable
[08:11] <Gerald> time to go to sleep
[08:11] <Gretl> kk but its easy to install - and has a channel search function then we will know more ;)
[08:11] <Gretl> !tvtime | julio
[08:11] <ubotu> julio: tvtime: A high quality television application. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-2.2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 636 kB, installed size 1768 kB
[08:11] <goban> surgy: k ty anyways!
[08:11] <surgy> goban: np
[08:11] <goban> when i startup ktorrent i get 15 ktorrent: ERROR: : couldn't create slave : Cannot talk to klauncher errors, can anyoen help?
[08:12] <ForgeAus> dithered grey screen with a black x cursor...
[08:12] <surgy> ?
[08:12] <surgy> forgeaus: kde isnt launching properly?
[08:12] <Admiral_Chicago> jbruckman: same here bro. sleep
[08:12] <ForgeAus> surgy yeah that
[08:12] <jbruckman> Admiral_Chicago: night.
[08:12] <Jucato> sweet dreams Admiral_Chicago
[08:12] <ForgeAus> but this is inside Xephyr its not my main X-server its a nested one
[08:13] <raylu>  !seen raylu
[08:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen raylu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:13] <raylu>  T.T
[08:13] <Kite_DH> !kite's mother
[08:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kite's mother - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:13] <surgy> forgeaus: i cant help
[08:13] <Kite_DH> :D aight
[08:13] <Jucato> !botabuse
[08:13] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[08:13] <ForgeAus> surgy thanx anyway
[08:14] <ForgeAus> is there anything you can do from a "blank" X-Server?
[08:14] <ForgeAus> no clicking anywhere seems to work
[08:14] <surgy> forgeaus: i whould suggest a reinstall, you have you backups in hand right? :)
[08:14] <Jucato> ForgeAus: switch to Ctrl+Alt+F1, login, try "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start"
[08:15] <ForgeAus> Jucato does that work from within a nested server?
[08:15] <Jucato> oh? it's a nested X server?
[08:15] <Jucato> ah Xephyr
[08:15] <surgy> jucato: he's screwed?
[08:15] <Jucato> hm.. let me scroll up
[08:15] <ForgeAus> whoa!
[08:15] <ForgeAus> that wasn't such a good idea!
[08:15] <surgy> ?
[08:15] <ForgeAus> now I ca't see anything!
[08:15] <raylu>  by the way...is there a way to change kdesu's password?
[08:16] <surgy> whats up?
[08:16] <Jucato> ForgeAus: what are you trying to do again?
[08:16] <surgy> !password|raylu
[08:16] <ubotu> raylu: Forgot your password? Boot into recovery mode. What's the root password? See !sudo. Don't see *** in password prompts? That's normal. Sudo doesn't ask for your password? It remembers you for several minutes. Please use strong passwords, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/StrongPasswords
[08:16] <Jucato> raylu: kdesu uses sudo, which asks for the user's password
[08:16] <Jucato> (presuming the user is part of the "admin" group)
[08:16] <Jucato> (which the first user created as install is)
[08:16] <raylu>  so...sudo passwd?
[08:16] <Jucato> raylu: er no
[08:17] <raylu>  wait a sec, that makes no sense
[08:17] <surgy> there is a file somewhere i cant rememeber where
[08:17] <Jucato> kdesu in Kubuntu will always ask for the current user's password
[08:17] <raylu>  oh
[08:17] <raylu>  so there's no way to change it?
[08:17] <surgy> jucato: he wants the file with the passwords in it so he can change the root password
[08:17] <raylu>  no, I don't want to change root's password
[08:17] <Kite_DH> well...my stuff stays on DVD then
[08:17] <raylu>  just kdesu.
[08:18] <surgy> raylu: same file for every user
[08:18] <Jucato> surgy: kdesu uses sudo in Kubuntu. sudo never asks for the user's password
[08:18] <raylu>  but...sudo does...
[08:18] <surgy> jucato: ahhh
[08:19] <Jucato> you can only make kdesu use a different password if: 1) you enable the root user (not recommended) and 2) create a config file that will make kdesu use su instead of sudo
[08:19] <Jucato> raylu: what are you confused about?
[08:19] <raylu>  oh, I see.
[08:20] <raylu>  oh...that's why root was disabled to begin with
[08:20] <surgy> raylu: why do you want to do this?
[08:20] <raylu>  not for any particular reason.
[08:20] <surgy> kite_DH: try a cd ripping program
[08:20] <raylu>  one of the first things I tried was su and, when that didn't work, I enabled root :P
[08:20] <surgy> raylu: then i whould suggest to leave it alone
[08:21] <Jucato> raylu: Kubuntu disables root by default. so it's senseless to make kdesu use su which would ask for the root password, since there is no root password.
[08:21] <raylu>  Oh. I changed the root password already :P Don't worry, I'm going to leave kdesu the way it is
[08:22] <surgy> jucato: is there an outlook express for kubuntu?
[08:22] <raylu>  Thunderbird, Kontact
[08:22] <raylu>  (don't use kontact, it's evil)
[08:22] <Jucato> raylu: Kontact
[08:23] <raylu>  ?
[08:23] <raylu>  ooh, another question. what happens if i use: chmod -x chmod?
[08:23] <surgy> but those will comunicate with openoffice and work the same way? my mom is in internet school, and they are heavily dependant on outlook
[08:23] <surgy> raylu: it takes execute permission away
[08:23] <Jucato> communicate with openoffice?
[08:24] <raylu>  um....openoffice doesn't include or have anything to do with pop e-mail that I know of
[08:24] <Jucato> no it won't. you don't have access to the chmod file normally
[08:24] <raylu>  surgy, it would take them away on chmod...which is required to get them bac, right?
[08:24] <Kite_DH> surgy: which cd ripping prog?
[08:24] <surgy> jucato: getting late...... outlookexpress*
[08:24] <raylu>  *back
[08:24] <Jucato> !ripping
[08:24] <ubotu> To rip an Audio CD in KDE, put it in and then put audiocd:// in the Konqueror URL bar; it's configurable in system settings. Also see http://tinyurl.com/2x7qsh
[08:24] <Jucato> Kite_DH: ^^^
[08:24] <raylu>  why would kontact/thunderbird be running at the same time as outlook express?
[08:25] <surgy> kite_DH: kaudiocreater
[08:25] <Jucato> Kite_DH: basically, Konqueror, KAudioCreator, Amarok, and K3b (I think)
[08:25] <Kite_DH> but its not audio file
[08:25] <surgy> jucato: i mean she wont have a problem comunicating with her class mates if everyone else uses ooutlook?
[08:25] <Jucato> Kite_DH: CD ripping = convert Audio CD content to <insert media format here>
[08:25] <raylu>  hm...I must go soon
[08:25] <Jucato> surgy: that I don't know...
[08:26] <Jucato> or had no need to
[08:26] <surgy> me either
[08:26] <raylu>  surgy, I doubt it. as long as it restricts itself to e-mail
[08:26] <surgy> but the school requires it
[08:26] <raylu>  *you're restricting it to e-mail
[08:26] <surgy> no i need something fully compatible with outlook express
[08:26] <raylu>  ...what do they do with outlook besides e-mail?
[08:27] <sampan> does OE run under wine?  :X
[08:27] <ForgeAus> that was a mess
[08:27] <sampan> somehow that seems like an abomination, but ...
[08:27] <ForgeAus> going to the other terminal screen wasn't so bad
[08:27] <ForgeAus> getting back was aweful!
[08:27] <surgy> raylu: group prjects uploading downloading sharing hell ive never used i dont know, i do know it has to be 100% compatible
[08:27] <ForgeAus> didn't want to repaint the screen properly
[08:27] <Jucato> surgy: what do you mean by "communicating" and "compatible" with outlook epxress?
[08:27] <raylu>  wtf...since when did outlook do all that?
[08:28] <raylu>  reading news feeds, surgy?
[08:28] <surgy> jucato: i mean able to send and receive files. dialogue assignments progress reports from kontact back to outlook and vice versa
[08:28] <surgy> raylu: im assuming
[08:28] <Jucato> surgy: in what format? I'm presuming those are just e-mails w/ attachments?
[08:29] <Jucato> but I'm not so familiar anyway, best bet would be to ask in #kontact
[08:29] <raylu>  or news feeds; I remember outlook did that too
[08:29] <surgy> jucato: i will have to educate myself....... i just assumed there was a program that cloned outlook....... ill learn and get back with you
[08:29] <ForgeAus> also my Nero D/L was halfway through which is probably corrupted/half-done/damaged by now...
[08:29] <ForgeAus> guess I should overwrite it
[08:29] <ForgeAus> 10 meg
[08:29] <Jucato> surgy: take note that Kontact isn't really an *exact* equivalent of Outlook, because whereas Outlook is just one app, Kontact is made of separate apps integrated into one app
[08:30] <raylu>  hm...well, g'bye everyone.
[08:30] <ForgeAus> is 2.0.1.3 the latest nero for linux? I thought nero was v 6 or so (at least in windows)
[08:30] <Jucato> surgy: fortunately, dependency on Outlook has never happened to me :D
[08:30] <surgy> jucato: noted
[08:31] <Jucato> Kontact can use KMail, KOrganizer, Akregator, KNotes, Basket, Karm, etc
[08:31] <Jucato> hm.. brb..
[08:31] <Jucato> 94.6 F...
[08:31] <surgy> jucato: no good for me
[08:31] <surgy>  <surgy> is kontact 100% compatible with outlookexpress?
[08:31] <surgy> [01:31]  <Bille> surgy: probably not
[08:31] <Jucato> surgy: I know, I'm there
[08:31] <Jucato> but like he said, we don't really know what you mean by
[08:32] <Jucato> compatible
[08:33] <surgy> i know
[08:33] <surgy> i will learn and come back
[08:33] <surgy> i have to go to bed
[08:33] <surgy> good night
[08:33] <surgy> nice chatting again jucato
[08:49] <Gtwy> is there a way to specify in the sudoers file SPECIFIC commands to allow a user to run as sudo
[08:49] <Gtwy> not just programs
[08:49] <Lynoure> Gtwy: tried  man sudoer  already?
[08:49] <Gtwy> yeah
[08:50] <Gtwy> everything seems to point to programs
[08:50] <Gtwy> like giving access to /etc/init.d/apache
[08:50] <Gtwy> i only want to give access to a full command
[08:50] <Lynoure> Gtwy: you can make scripts out of the specific command, and give access to just that
[08:51] <Gtwy> Lynoure: not a bad idea
[08:51] <Gtwy> thanks
[08:51] <Lynoure> You are welcome :)
[08:52] <Mena> hi
[08:52] <kraut> moin
[08:52] <Mena> !superkaramba
[08:52] <ubotu> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[08:59] <ForgeAus> hehe superkarumba is kewl
[09:00] <ForgeAus> is gnomes equivalent gdesklets?
[09:02] <Jucato> ForgeAus: yes
[09:02] <ForgeAus> thats kewl I like superkarumba way better
[09:07] <liviux> hi all friends. how can I solve the back replie message "the utility is not in your path" from bash when I try to open one archive file??
[09:08] <bumzo> guys .. .am back
[09:08] <bumzo> neen help
[09:09] <bumzo> who in here has installed frostwire?
[09:09] <fdoving> liviux: what type of archive?
[09:09] <bumzo> i have rightclicked on the .dep file ...said install
[09:09] <bumzo> asked for password
[09:09] <bumzo> starts installing ... then hangs at ''setting up frostwire pres <enter> to exit...''
[09:10] <nomad111> does any1 here kno any circuit analysis programs
[09:10] <bumzo> what does that mean?
[09:10] <nomad111> spice
[09:10] <nomad111> frontends
[09:10] <bumzo> jucato?
[09:10] <liviux> It's a .rar but I'm sorry now it work. I had need "unrar" utility...thank you :)
[09:10] <bumzo> raylu
[09:10] <bumzo> anyone
[09:10] <fdoving> nomad111: ktechlab, klogic, ksimus for example.
[09:10] <Jucato> bumzo: sorry, no experience with frostwire
[09:11] <bumzo> well .. how else can one install a .deb file?
[09:12] <Jucato> bumzo: er. that means it's done
[09:12] <Jucato> !frostwire
[09:12] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[09:12] <Lynoure> bumzo: from the command line, e.g.  sudo dpkg --install packagename
[09:13] <Jucato> um.. guys, it's installed already
 starts installing ... then hangs at ''setting up frostwire pres <enter> to exit...'' <--- it means, it's done setting up, and press Enter to close the window
[09:15] <piro_> what apt-get do you use to get emacs on kubuntu?
[09:16] <djdarkman> 1000     10260 59.2  0.0   2544   376 ?        Rs   Feb19 1362:13 /usr/bin/env bash??if [ "$1" = "--kinetd" ] ; then??# redirect stdin and stdout to the inetd
[09:16] <djdarkman> what is this process
[09:16] <djdarkman> ?
[09:17] <bumzo> your right jucato ... dumb me
[09:17] <bumzo> now i need to iupdrage my java to JRE 1.5
[09:20] <genii> djdarkman: inetd is the internet services super-server. It sits in the background and when it sees some request for instance for a webpage it starts up the webserver, for an incoming mail it starts up the email program. and so on
[09:20] <djdarkman> so a program of mine is using it too much?
[09:21] <nomad111> fdoving: those programs are for logic circuits
[09:21] <nomad111> fdoving: i wanted ones for analog circuits, soooooooo frustrated
[09:22] <nomad111> i havent got any programs for linux that i kno
[09:22] <fdoving> nomad111: then i have no clue.
[09:23] <genii> djdarkman: Not too likely unless you have your box misconfigured somehow
[09:23] <fdoving> you can try to search with apt:/ in konqueror.
[09:25] <bumzo> ok .. who can tell me how to update my java
[09:25] <Jucato> bumzo: did you do "sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre"?
[09:26] <bumzo> will ''sudo apt-get update java'' work?
[09:26] <genii> djdarkman: I use the program "top" normally to see what is using a lot of cpu and so on. If you open a konsole and type in   sudo top     it will show you a list of things running ordered by how much resources they are using. You can exit with q key
[09:26] <bumzo> yes jucato ... and it install alright
[09:26] <Jucato> bumzo: then you have the latest java already. more updated than 1.5
[09:26] <bumzo> but frostwire tells me to upgrade to 1,5,0
[09:26] <Jucato> er..? java6 = java 1.6
[09:26] <dettoaltrimenti_> hello- can I make grep search the current directory, as well as other directories? or is there another command that does this?
[09:27] <Jucato> dettoaltrimenti_: other subdirectories in the current directory?
[09:27] <dettoaltrimenti_> yes jucato
[09:27] <dettoaltrimenti_> sorry about that- yes, subdirectories
[09:27] <chavo> grep -r
[09:27] <bumzo> wait jucato...how do i veryfy i have installed the java?
[09:27] <Jucato> dettoaltrimenti_: what chavo said
[09:27] <Jucato> bumzo: oh, you need to run this command, too: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[09:28] <Jucato> bumzo: it will give you a list of java versions to choose from. Choose the sun java version
[09:29] <piro_> java -version at cli
[09:30] <bumzo> ok .. .done .. choose 3 jucato
[09:30] <Jucato> bumzo: ok. I'm presuming #3 was the sun java? ok so you've confirmed that sun java is installed, and set the system to use that as the default
[09:31] <bumzo> EUREKA JUCATO ... itw orked ... loading frost wire
[09:31] <dettoaltrimenti_> the wildcard * doesn't seem to be working for me... could I have accidently done something to cause this?
[09:32] <Jucato> ?
[09:32] <bumzo> how do i put frostwire to appear in start menu???
[09:33] <piro_> right click taskbar unlock panels if its lock and configure --> menus --> edit k menu
[09:33] <dettoaltrimenti_> jucato- if I type, for example, "ls -R | grep *.mp3" I should get a list of all .mp3 files in the current directory and subdirectory right?
[09:34] <Jucato> er... not sure if grep accepts that
[09:34] <piro_> bumzo: then add new item and put the command used to exec. it in command and name it and all that stuff, then stick it in the program tree where you want
[09:34] <chavo> dettoaltrimenti_, you don't need the wildcard
[09:34] <Jucato> dettoaltrimenti_: besides, wouldn't "ls -R *.mp3" do the same thing?
[09:34] <dettoaltrimenti_> oh, you're right
[09:34] <chavo> dettoaltrimenti_, try this find -name "*.mp3"
[09:35] <dettoaltrimenti_> ah find, good command, thanks
[09:38] <dettoaltrimenti_> chavo- I have some m4a files that have mp3 copies, and I want to delete the m4a files, and I want to do it from the command line. "
[09:38] <mart81> why would a partition want to be in a group called plugdev?
[09:38] <dettoaltrimenti_> chavo- "ls -R | grep m4a" gives me a list of all the files I want to remove- what should the rest of the command be? rm what?
[09:39] <chavo> dettoaltrimenti_, for i in `find -name "*.m4a"`;do rm $i;done
[09:40] <dettoaltrimenti_> chavo- can I add -iv so it prompts me and lets me know what it deleted?
[09:40] <chavo> sure
[09:40] <chavo> you can also do for i in `find -name "*.m4a"`;do echo $i;done, to test it out first.
[09:41] <chavo> to echo which files will be rm'd
[09:41] <chavo> I usually do that first just in case
[09:41] <dettoaltrimenti_> chavo- yeah, it didn't work- since there are spaces in the names, each line is one word from the title
[09:44] <Mena> How to install this pyqt3.13
[09:45] <fdoving> dettoaltrimenti_: find . -name '*.m4a' -exec command '{}' \;
[09:45] <Mena> plz
[09:46] <fdoving> dettoaltrimenti_: {} is the argument to the command. replace command with for example 'rm' if you want to delete the files.
[09:46] <Mena> i cant install it with adept i cant find it is there any other name for it
[09:47] <fdoving> Mena: looking for the python qt3 bindings?
[09:47] <Jucato> !info python-qt4
[09:47] <Jucato> er
[09:47] <ubotu> python-qt4: Python bindings for Qt4. In component main, is optional. Version 4.0.1-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1488 kB, installed size 6944 kB
[09:47] <Jucato> !info python-qt3
[09:47] <ubotu> python-qt3: Qt3 bindings for Python. In component main, is optional. Version 3.16-1.2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 2209 kB, installed size 9968 kB
[09:47] <Jucato> Mena: ^^^
[09:47] <fdoving> :)
[09:48] <astarojilov> 
[09:48] <Mena> fdoving, the problem i dont knwo what i need of thes thing bec i need it for super karamba for a theme called liquid weather
[09:48] <Mena> know*
[09:48] <fdoving> Mena: liquidweather.net can tell you what you need.
[09:49] <Mena> and the owner didnt mention what to install
[09:49] <Mena> just install pyqt3.13
[09:49] <fdoving> get python-qt3
[09:49] <Mena> fdoving, ok
[09:49] <Kite_DH> help...
[09:49] <Kite_DH> my keyboard
[09:50] <Kite_DH> somebody there?
[09:50] <craig> hi room
[09:50] <Kite_DH> can anybody help me
[09:50] <Mena> fdoving, Jucato, thanks ^_~
[09:50] <craig> whasts up kite
[09:51] <Kite_DH> pc said AccessX, how to
[09:51] <Kite_DH> activate to write again
[09:51] <Kite_DH> i copy paste rightnow
[09:51] <craig> any ladies here
[09:52] <Kite_DH> i played a game, i hold shift for 8+ secconds
[09:52] <Kite_DH> pc said something with AccessX , activate or not, i clicked activate, i can not write anymore
[09:52] <Jucato> Kite_DH: try holding it again for 8 seconds?
[09:52] <Kite_DH> i can not click buttons
[09:53] <craig> like to know whats wrong with camming
[09:54] <craig> kite are u m or f
[09:55] <Kite_DH> help
[09:56] <Mena> fdoving, how to set karamba to auto start
[09:56] <Mena> fdoving, i mean with the themes
[09:56] <fdoving> !autostart | mena
[09:56] <ubotu> mena: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[09:56] <Mena> fdoving, i try this but the program window start but the themes not
[09:57] <Mena> fdoving, do you know why
[09:57] <Jucato> Mena: just put a link to the superkaramba theme in the Autostart folder
[10:00] <bumzo> ala
[10:01] <bumzo> need help
[10:01] <bumzo> am trying to mount a hard drive and it gives me the error message ''
[10:01] <bumzo> Could not mount device.
[10:01] <bumzo> The reported error was:
[10:01] <bumzo> mount: can't find /dev/hda5 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[10:01] <bumzo> ??
[10:04] <^BeLLo^> i dont anderstand this:(
[10:04] <doktoreas> is there a way for printing from kubuntu using a printer on win xp?
[10:04] <bumzo> yes doktoreas
[10:05] <doktoreas> hi bumzo
[10:05] <bumzo> but you have to install the printer manualy
[10:05] <doktoreas> is there any guide for this task?
[10:05] <bumzo> open your system menu
[10:05] <Kite_DH> really, no idea?
[10:05] <doktoreas> bumzo: configuring k
[10:05] <doktoreas> bumzo: ok i have opened
[10:06] <Kite_DH> what should i do now...
[10:06] <bumzo> sorry ... .i meant open system settings dok
[10:07] <bumzo> then can u see ''printers''
[10:07] <skarr> whats the channel about
[10:07] <Lynx-> Hi. I have Kubuntu 6.10. I use English and Russian kb layouts, so I configured KDE to use the two layouts. The tray icon works fine and layouts change, but I cannot set up keyboard switching combination (ctrl+shift). The settings are present in KDE Control Module, but it seems they have no effect. What should I do?
[10:08] <doktoreas> bumzo: ok
[10:08] <bumzo> now ... can u see ''add printer'' ?
[10:08] <bumzo> click on add
[10:08] <bumzo> then go to ''printer/class''
[10:09] <doktoreas> yes i am in
[10:09] <bumzo> what type of printer do you have?
[10:09] <doktoreas> checking.. just a sec
[10:09] <doktoreas> damn phone :d
[10:10] <bumzo> follwo the wizard ... chose ''smb shared printers (windows)
[10:11] <Mena_> JUCATO, I DID AS YOY SAID but nothing happened
[10:12] <bumzo> hey jucato ... neeed help
[10:12] <bumzo> Could not mount device.
[10:12] <Jucato> Mena_: you made a link of the .theme file to ~/.kde/Autostart ?
[10:12] <bumzo> The reported error was:
[10:12] <bumzo> mount: can't find /dev/hda5 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[10:12] <Mena_> Jucato, yes
[10:12] <Kite_DH> Jucato screenshot http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/4205/bildschirmphoto1wj4.png
[10:12] <bumzo> thats the error message when i try access one of my HDD
[10:12] <Jucato> Mena_: strange... it should work...
[10:12] <^BeLLo^> i hate xorg grrrrrrrrrrrr
[10:12] <Jucato> Kite_DH: you can't select cancel?
[10:13] <Kite_DH> Jucato i was gaming, so i just clicked OK
[10:13] <Jucato> oh.. I don't know how to turn that off
[10:13] <Jucato> bumzo: sorry, no idea...
[10:14] <Adydas> YAYY
[10:14] <Mena_> Jucato, so what i must to do
[10:14] <Kite_DH> Jucato i'll never write again? :(
[10:14] <Jucato> Mena_: normally, if you leave an app running before you logout, it will be started when you log back in
[10:14] <Jucato> Kite_DH: what language is that? I can't understand it, but people from your locale might
[10:15] <Adydas> is there a lazy mans HTML program for KDE?
[10:15] <Kite_DH> german
[10:15] <Jucato> !de | Kite_DH
[10:15] <ubotu> Kite_DH: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:15] <Jucato> try #kubuntu-de
[10:15] <Kite_DH> but i asked them
[10:15] <Adydas> ich bein auslander and speak no german :p[
[10:15] <Kite_DH> they dont know either... :(
[10:15] <Jucato> :(
[10:15] <Mena_> Jucato, i know but i make it to start a new session if i made it to start with previuos tht would make the system slow right or no problem
[10:16] <bumzo> my amarok wont play mp3 files .... anyone know why?
[10:16] <Jucato> Mena_: usually no problem. I'm not sure why the superkaramba theme won't start though. it should
[10:16] <Adydas> bumzo: codecs
[10:16] <Jucato> bumzo: did you install libxine-extracodecs?
[10:16] <Jucato> Adydas: Quanta, the only KDE/Qt HTML editor/app around, is not a lazy man's program...
[10:16] <Mena_> Jucato, ok
[10:17] <Adydas> Alot of the superkaramba themes ive tryed are ass
[10:17] <Adydas> i only reccomend 2, Kubuntu monitor and weather++
[10:17] <bumzo> how do i install the codecs?
[10:17] <Mena_> Adydas, i use weather++ but the problem it cant start
[10:18] <Adydas> oh
[10:18] <Adydas> works good for me
[10:18] <Adydas> what do you mean wont start?
[10:18] <Adydas> Is SK running ( blue bloob like icon in the systemtray? )
[10:18] <Adydas> bumzo:
[10:18] <Adydas> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[10:18] <Mena_> Adydas, the theme
[10:19] <Jucato> Adydas: he means it won't autostart
[10:20] <bumzo> Reading package lists... Done
[10:20] <bumzo> Building dependency tree... Done
[10:20] <bumzo> Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:20] <bumzo> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:20] <bumzo> is only available from another source
[10:20] <bumzo> E: Package libxine-extracodecs has no installation candidate
[10:20] <Adydas> i was trying to find a way to do it like cron styles but took a while to realise its just a case of it loads what ever was last open on shutdown
[10:20] <Adydas> bumzo: check your repos
[10:20] <Mena_> Adydas , do i must add it also to the karamba or just to autostart folder
[10:20] <bumzo> repos ...as in?
[10:21] <Adydas> bumzo: i reccomend http://adydas.net/linux/repo-howto.txt
[10:21] <Adydas> it was rush made tonight, but it should help.
[10:21] <Adydas> somewhat...
[10:21] <Jucato> Adydas: does your guide have instructions for adding "multiverse"?
[10:22] <Adydas> Jucato: im going to fix it up in the morning
[10:22] <Jucato> :D
[10:22] <Adydas> i belive it has it in there, just not how to make sure its in there
[10:22] <Jucato> that's the specific section that bumzo needs
[10:22] <Jucato> er no. the sources.list you give at the top already presumes that multiverse is there
[10:22] <Adydas> Jucato: hence why i gave him it.. :p
[10:24] <Jucato> Adydas: I meant, he needs a specific section on adding multiverse, which is not in your guide, because it presumes that it's already there. otherwise, nice work :)
[10:26] <Chameleon22> hi all
[10:26] <Chameleon22> My USB stopped working. Mouse and kb are fine (both usb) however when I attempt to connect an external usb disk or a thumbdrive it doesnt do anything. This started happening after my machine rebooted (overheated and did a reboot - not very clean). i had this problem before and eventually reinstalled to fix it. Getting a little sick of it. Any ideas how to fix this?
[10:26] <bumzo> cheers jucato .. upstading..
[10:27] <bumzo> updating*
[10:27] <yettenet> Could anyone tell me where I can set the default viewprofile for Konqueror? (the file manager part)
[10:27] <yettenet> I can't seem to find it :S
[10:29] <bianconeri> Hello, I am having problems with streaming video on FF, specifically gamespot.com videos do not work :S ....yahoo videos on the other hand do....any ideas?
[10:29] <nomad111> how the hell do i kno wat the password for a folder ive set up to share through samba
[10:30] <nomad111> on my other computer running windows it prompts for a username and password
[10:31] <nomad111> some1 help
[10:31] <nomad111> plz
[10:33] <Chameleon22> my machine rebooted all of a sudden few days ago (got overheated). Didn't use it much since then and just noticed that the USB stoped responding to usb disks... Any idea how to fix this? it happened once before and i reinstalled to solve the issue since i couldnt find a solution. Any help?
[10:34] <bumzo> still an error message when i run sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[10:38] <bumzo> jucato help
[10:43] <Chameleon22> my machine rebooted all of a sudden few days ago (got overheated). Didn't use it much since then and just noticed that the USB stoped responding to usb disks... Any idea how to fix this? it happened once before and i reinstalled to solve the issue since i couldnt find a solution. Any help?
[10:48] <biohazard_> #ubuntu-pl
[10:49] <bianconeri> Ok got gamespot to work on konqueror...just for future reference guys :D
[10:56] <sandro> hello ... i cant seem to find install help on acrobat reader .. the help for edgy results in 'couldnt find any package whose name or description matched "mozilla-acroread"'
[10:57] <Chameleon22> anyone?
[10:57] <oem> moin :D
[10:58] <WuChEn> evtl. jemand der der nen neuling ein wneig helfen kann?
[10:58] <huXfluX> Hello! Is it possible to apply PINNING to ffmepg through the /etc/apt/preferences file? NOTE that i'm running Kubuntu Edgy and that file currently doesn't exit. If i create a new one, will the preferences apply and the packages I want to PIN won't get updated ? THANK YOU!
[11:02] <WuChEn> anscheind garkeiner anwesend :D
[11:04] <huXfluX> hello ?
[11:04] <huXfluX> :)
[11:05] <WuChEn> hi
[11:05] <anees> how can I install wine on kubuntu
[11:05] <waylandbill> anees: from adept after enabling universe repo.
[11:05] <WuChEn> or by apt-get install wine :D
[11:06] <Jucato> (which should already be enabled by default)
[11:06] <waylandbill> WuChEn: or aptitude or synaptic. whatever you feel like using. :)
[11:07] <bianconeri> sandro: sudo aptitude install acroread mozilla-acroread acroread-plugins
[11:07] <WuChEn> i am a newby on kubuntu :) i have a problem
[11:07] <WuChEn> i hav einstall by cd yesterday, all works fine, then the updatemanager has update my system and a new kernl, now i have no sound :(
[11:07] <WuChEn> sry for my bad english xD
[11:08] <waylandbill> what sound card?
[11:08] <WuChEn> cmedia
[11:09] <yettenet> How can I set the default view profile in Konqueror?
[11:09] <WuChEn> its supported by alsa
[11:09] <WuChEn> if i run alsamixer
[11:09] <WuChEn> it says
[11:09] <WuChEn> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[11:10] <anees> I am also a newby in kubuntu
[11:10] <anees> I tried to install wine by apt-get install wine
[11:10] <waylandbill> WuChEn: no doubt alsa supports it. it sounds like the module didn't load though.
[11:10] <WuChEn> how can i reinstall the soundcarc or can kde automatic detectd se soundcard?
[11:10] <anees> but it does'nt work
[11:11] <waylandbill> anees: did it give an error?
[11:11] <anees> yes
[11:11] <WuChEn> package not found?
[11:11] <anees> yes...
[11:11] <anees> E: Broken packages
[11:11] <WuChEn> you musst edit the source.list in /etc/apt/
[11:12] <WuChEn> an duncommend the lines:
[11:12] <anees> ok
[11:12] <WuChEn> the deb lines remove the #
[11:13] <anees> ok
[11:13] <WuChEn> waylandbill: what can i do? i want to be sound but a newbie :D
[11:13] <waylandbill> anees: what was broken with the package? missing dependency?
[11:14] <anees> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:14] <chavo> yettenet, set the view to whatver you want then go to Settings -> Save View Profile "File Management" and save the profile. then restart the file manager
[11:14] <anees>   wine: Depends: libasound2 (> 1.0.11) but 1.0.10-2ubuntu4 is to be installed
[11:14] <anees>         Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4-1) but 2.3.6-0ubuntu20 is to be installed
[11:14] <anees>         Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12) but 1:4.0.3-1ubuntu5 is to be installed
[11:14] <anees>         Depends: libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0) but 2.10.3-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[11:14] <anees>         Depends: libgphoto2-2 (>= 2.2.1) but 2.1.6-5.2ubuntu8 is to be installed
[11:14] <anees>         Depends: libgphoto2-port0 (>= 2.2.1) but 2.1.6-5.2ubuntu8 is to be insta lled
[11:14] <anees>         Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-12) but 4.0.3-1ubuntu5 is to be installed
[11:14] <anees>         Depends: libusb-0.1-4 (>= 2:0.1.12) but 2:0.1.10a-22ubuntu1 is to be ins talled
[11:14] <waylandbill> don't paste it.
[11:14] <anees>         Depends: libxml2 (>= 2.6.26) but 2.6.24.dfsg-1ubuntu1 is to be installed
[11:14] <anees>         Depends: libxslt1.1 (>= 1.1.17) but 1.1.15-1ubuntu1 is to be installed
[11:14] <anees> E: Broken packages
[11:14] <mart81> !pastebin
[11:14] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:14] <WuChEn> *g
[11:15] <genii> ai yai yai
[11:15] <yettenet> chavo: The point is that I don't want to overwrite the default one
[11:16] <genii> !pastebin | anees
[11:16] <ubotu> anees: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:16] <waylandbill> anees: do a sudo apt-get update
[11:16] <chavo> yettenet, then make a new profile
[11:16] <anees> ok
[11:16] <yettenet> chavo: Already done
[11:16] <yettenet> chavo: But I can't find a way to make it default
[11:16] <Chameleon22> my machine rebooted all of a sudden few days ago (got overheated). Didn't use it much since then and just noticed that the USB stoped responding to usb disks... Any idea how to fix this? it happened once before and i reinstalled to solve the issue since i couldnt find a solution. Any help?
[11:17] <chavo> yettenet, then make a launcher that opens "kfmclient openProfile profile_name"
[11:17] <anees> i m doing apt-get update
[11:17] <chavo> copy the file management launcher and modify it to open your profile, name it whatever you wnat
[11:17] <yettenet> chavo: Thanks
[11:17] <chavo> then you can have both profiles
[11:17] <anees> thanx man
[11:18] <Kite_DH> ...
[11:18] <chavo> np
[11:18] <Chameleon22> Also noticed that lsusb freezes and can not be killed (ctrl c or kill -9).
[11:18] <Chameleon22> anyone?
[11:19] <anees> after updating apt-get I tried to install wine again
[11:19] <anees> but not succeded
[11:19] <Kite_DH> Jucato: jucato? i got it fixed
[11:20] <Kite_DH> Jucato: settings:/Accessibility/
[11:20] <anees> waylandbill r u there?
[11:20] <genii> Chameleon22: Have you tried it with some different USB drive besides the one that was plugged into it when the reboot happened? The drive itself may be the problem here
[11:21] <Chameleon22> genii, tried with 2 drives, both have the same problem... work well in other machines
[11:22] <waylandbill> anees: sorry was busy a sec. still have dependency issues?
[11:22] <anees> yes
[11:23] <genii> Chameleon22: Does your computer reset the bios to some safe defaults if it has a spontaneous power-off? Some default bios settings disable the USB for instance when this happens
[11:23] <waylandbill> can you pastebin the sources.list please?
[11:24] <Chameleon22> genii, ohh i didnt know that ... i have bios options to 1. set default safe bios mode and 2. set optimised defaults
[11:24] <anees> ok
[11:24] <Chameleon22> never tried any of them
[11:24] <Chameleon22> perhaps now would be the time
[11:24] <Chameleon22> genii, unless you can think of other solutions
[11:24] <Chameleon22> genii, although when machine boots i can see USB devices being recognised on IRQ 10 and 11 etc
[11:25] <genii> Chameleon22: Well, it would be good to see if the USB is working for any kind of device, like scanner or printer or something like that
[11:25] <Chameleon22> genii, ye, mouse and keyboard are usb they work
[11:25] <Chameleon22> :/
[11:26] <genii> Chameleon22: Ah, but do they work in the same plugs that the external drive was in before? Perhaps it is on a different controller
[11:26] <Chameleon22> geni very possible since the once that dont work are at the front of the case...
[11:26] <Chameleon22> will check hold on
[11:26] <genii> OK
[11:26] <anees> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6835/
[11:27] <anees> I've pasted the sources.list
[11:27] <genii> anees Thank you for using the pastebin :)
[11:30] <waylandbill> anees: hmm. you have all the repos including the backports. you should be good to go. :-/
[11:31] <anees> ok...thanx man
[11:31] <anees> let me try once more
[11:31] <anees> thanx man it is downloading now
[11:31] <anees> thanx again
[11:31] <anees> i like you
[11:32] <anees> will you be my friend?
[11:32] <waylandbill> oh.. good deal.
[11:32] <waylandbill> :)
[11:32] <genii> Chameleon22: Other thoughts/possibilities: An USB plug was accidentally attempted to be plugged in reversed, which grounds out the power lead and reboots the machine instantly and has been known to damage the controller chip of that USB plug.  -- The IRQs may have been changed on the default settings from bios to something which another thing wants (like sound card, many like IRQ 10 a lot...
[11:32] <genii> ...for instance) -- Possibly the udev or hotplug subsystem files got corrupted and the part which deals with detecting mass-storage USB devices is messed up for some reason
[11:36] <anees> ok...add me in your msn
[11:36] <anees> mraneesurrehman@hotmail.com
[11:36] <wtryller> Hello.  Can someone please help me find thee xecutable file to launch "Pan" newwreder, please and thank you.  I downloaded and extracted the package, but cannot find the executable.
[11:37] <waylandbill> I think IRC is enough chat for me. I don't use msn.
[11:37] <wtryller> pan newsreader
[11:37] <abattoir> wtryller: what is the name of the file you downloaded(with the extension), where did you dowload it from?
[11:37] <anees> ok
[11:38] <anees> thanx again
[11:38] <Forge> I do I use many chats
[11:38] <Forge> I forgot my Odigo tho
[11:38] <Chameleon22> genii, i is back... bios setting seem fine. front and back controllers - both dont recognise the drives
[11:38] <Pensacola> I reinstalled kubuntu with my /home on a seperate partition
[11:38] <Pensacola> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/Pensacola/kdecontrol.jpg this is my control center now
[11:38] <Pensacola> what went wrong?
[11:39] <Forge> I use Yahoo, MSN (now semi-joined) Icq AIM (also now joined) and less occasionally Jabber
[11:39] <Forge> which kinda joines them all anyway
[11:39] <huXfluX> Hello! Is it possible to apply PINNING to ffmepg through the /etc/apt/preferences file? NOTE that i'm running Kubuntu Edgy and that file currently doesn't exit. If i create a new one, will the preferences apply and the packages I want to PIN won't get updated ? THANK YOU!
[11:39] <Pensacola> kopete
[11:39] <Pensacola> Forge: kopete :)
[11:39] <Pensacola> or gaim
[11:39] <Forge> or trillian
[11:39] <tuco> Hello folks. Anyone who could help me with my logitech webcam and Canon MP130 printer. Can't find drivers and how to install them. Thanks in advance.
[11:39] <Forge> (hopefully Astra will have a linux port)
[11:40] <Pensacola> yeah but trillian is closed software :)
[11:40] <genii> Chameleon22: OK... did you try for instance plugging your usb mouse into the front plugs to see if it still works from there? You can do this without needing to restart or anything drastic. That would tell if the front ones work at all
[11:40] <Pensacola> I think kopete is the best IM software around
[11:40] <Chameleon22> genii, ye that was fine
[11:40] <abattoir> !webcam | tuco
[11:40] <ubotu> tuco: Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[11:40] <Forge> I have a feeling unity is coming...
[11:40] <Chameleon22> genii, i had this exact issue before and couldnt find a solution so i reinstalled but want to solve ity once and for all now
[11:41] <Forge> Aqua, and windows might fall by the wayside...
[11:41] <genii> Chameleon22: OK, then my hunch is that you have corrupted hotplug or udev files somewhere then.
[11:41] <Smorg> Hello
[11:41] <Chameleon22> genii, thats my hunch too but thats as far as it goes since i dont know how to fix it
[11:41] <wtryller> abbitoir, it was a http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/releases/0.14.2/SOURCE/pan-0.14.2.tar.bz2
[11:41] <Chameleon22> genii, or even where to start
[11:42] <genii> Chameleon22:  Well, the idea would be to find the exact package names then do a reinstall over the old ones to refresh the files
[11:42] <abattoir> wtryller: which version of kubuntu are you using? dapper/edgy?
[11:42] <abattoir> !info pan
[11:42] <ubotu> pan: A Newsreader based on GTK2, which looks like Forte Agent. In component main, is optional. Version 0.14.2.91-5ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 467 kB, installed size 3616 kB
[11:43] <wtryller> edgy
[11:43] <abattoir> wtryller: because the application exists in the software repository, meaning you can install it easily, instead of compiling it from source
[11:43] <genii> Chameleon22: Gimme a minute and I'll look some stuff up on my dapper box..(I am on a windoze box atm)
[11:43] <Chameleon22> genii, yeah i thought about that, gave it a shot in a dark so to speak - package: libusb That didnt do it. Don't know what other packages to try
[11:43] <tuco> Ok I am trying now for the cam :--)
[11:43] <abattoir> wtryller: ok, open Adept Manager, and click on Fetch updates, after that, search for pan and install it from there
[11:43] <Chameleon22> genii, ok. *hands you a minute. Thank you :) I really want this bugger solved
[11:46] <wtryller> abattoir will do.  tnx
[11:46] <Smorg> I just got kubuntu installed... we'll see how i like this :-)
[11:46] <Smorg> on vmware :-/
[11:47] <waylandbill> vmware's a start. :-)
[11:47] <Smorg> eventuall have to reformat if i wanna replace windoze
[11:47] <waylandbill> no harm in seeing if it fits your needs first.
[11:48] <Chameleon22> genii, still there?
[11:48] <genii> Chameleon22: There seems to be possibly 2 relevant packages which could be needing refreshing... udev  and devfsd     you cannot uninstall udev (I've tried LOL) but you can do something like  sudo apt-get install --reinstall <names>
[11:49] <Chameleon22> genii, ye i tried --reinstall with libusb, will try udev ... hold on
[11:49] <genii> Chameleon22:  Yes, my machines are all spaced out here, I am walking 10 feet back and forth to the dapper box
[11:49] <tuco> Damn it doesn't work. My cam is a logitech IM! :-(
[11:49] <Chameleon22> genii, home setup or at work?
[11:49] <genii> Chameleon22: It's all the same thing ROFL
[11:50] <Chameleon22> hehe, how many boxens you got there?
[11:50] <genii> Chameleon22: Right now about 30
[11:50] <Chameleon22> f* me you maniac
[11:50] <genii> heh
[11:50] <Chameleon22> so i take it you work from home and run 60 machines!? what do you do?
[11:51] <tuco> guys what is module assistant?
[11:51] <waylandbill> tuco: it helps in building kernel modules
[11:52] <genii> Chameleon22: I'm an admin for an ISP here in Toronto. I have all these old P3 boxes here at home doing automated dapper installs over the network for handing out to poor ppl who can't afford things like windoze licenses for instance
[11:52] <Chameleon22> genii, uhhh i am going to Canada next year - backpacking with gf :)
[11:52] <Smorg> lol, I just typed "dir" at the prompt out of habit & it does the same thing.
[11:53] <Chameleon22> genii, we (in melbourne) have few organisations like that here that give out debian boxes to less fortunate
[11:53] <Chameleon22> genii, any way, reinstalled udev and devfs. Udev didnt do it. Devfs seems to say that i need to reboot
[11:53] <genii> Chameleon22: Cool :) These particular ones were given to us by the city, they are their old ones.
[11:54] <Chameleon22> genii, "devfsd: No devfs on /dev, not starting." is the output i am getting from --reinstall devfs
[11:54] <waylandbill> you don't have to be poor to not afford a windows license. just put something else in the budget that's more important. like kitty litter or someting. that's comparable.
[11:54] <genii> Well, try perhaps now the reboot then and I'll still be here to see how things went
[11:54] <Chameleon22> genii, you reckon me needs to reboot?
[11:54] <Chameleon22> i hate rebooting
[11:54] <Chameleon22> its a sin!
[11:54] <genii> I hear ya
[11:54] <Chameleon22> k be back soon(ish) ... reboot time
[11:55] <waylandbill> my daughter rebooted my home desktop the other day because she couldn't get a smart media card to open. I was bummed. That was almost 6 months up time. :-)
[11:56] <genii> waylandbill: :) I have 1 server that has now 1036 straight days of uptime (on a ups for part of that during a power blackout)
[11:56] <waylandbill> genii: that's some serious uptime there.
[11:57] <genii> Yeah you don't wanna know what my electric bills are like
[11:57] <waylandbill> hehe. I have two going non-stop 24-7 and my laptop when I'm home. It's not as bad as one might think.
[11:58] <genii> That particular box is a backup server that does incremental rsyncs of some remote boxes so it's almost always in use
[11:58] <Chameleon22> genii, no luck amigo :(
[11:59] <waylandbill> people spend more to have lights on outside all night long that just a couple boxes.
[11:59] <genii> Chameleon22: Damn
[11:59] <Chameleon22> genii, yeah
[11:59] <genii> Chameleon22: Let me think some more on the problem
[11:59] <tuco> sweet webcam working. I used that info here: http://scottabbey.org/node/12
[11:59] <Chameleon22> genii, okies... tried lsusb again and it goes zombee... if it makes sense to you
[12:00] <waylandbill> is that the usb not seeing usb disks?
[12:01] <waylandbill> if so, is the scsi modules getting loaded still?
[12:01] <tuco> the only problem is that it's not in colour but all blue and grey! Now the Canon MP130 printer :-)
[12:01] <genii> Chameleon22: Try reinstall of package  discover1-data
[12:02] <genii> and perhaps   libdiscover1     as well
[12:03] <Chameleon22> genii, doig it now... by the way i am using 6.10 just an FYI
[12:04] <Chameleon22> genii, no luck
[12:04] <genii> OK. The packages should all be same tho i am going by the lists on my dapper box
[12:04] <genii> There is discover2 as well, and libdiscover2
[12:05] <Chameleon22> genii, meh, i just checked i dont have discover2 any way so no point
[12:05] <Chameleon22> :/
[12:05] <genii> hwinfo  is next
[12:05] <Chameleon22> whats that
[12:06] <genii> !hwinfo
[12:06] <ubotu> hwinfo: Hardware identification system. In component universe, is optional. Version 13.4-1 (edgy), package size 39 kB, installed size 104 kB
[12:06] <Chameleon22> genii, dont have it installed any way
[12:06] <elbing> we have in our job a konica minolta Di2011 (bussiness solution) running over Active Directory. From two Linux we can to connect with it without problems and is perfectly configured with CUPS, but there is not ppd file in Konica web neither foomatic (they say yes, but really there is not any ppd file). Does anybody knows any ppd valid? we probed many generic postscript and HP and printer hangs.
[12:07] <genii> next is usbmount
[12:07] <Chameleon22> genii, not installed either
[12:07] <genii> Hmm
[12:07] <Chameleon22> exactly
[12:08] <genii> I think I would chance installing that one, my apt-cache describes it specifically for mounting usb mass-storage devices
[12:08] <Chameleon22> genii, k, hold on
[12:10] <Chameleon22> genii, that didnt do it either
[12:10] <Chameleon22> do i need a reboot for any of them or load a module of some sort?
[12:10] <Alcapond> Hi, can anyone tell me how to activate experimental packages for kubuntu 6.10? - I found on http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages some interesting packages (e.g. OpenOffice 2.1 or Basket 1.0) and would like adept to install them as well! Thx for help!
[12:11] <genii> Chameleon22: No, should not need to. Tho perhaps there is a file in /etc/init.d now which should be restarted
[12:12] <Chameleon22> genii, you know what file ?  :p
[12:12] <waylandbill> Alcapond: I can't tell you not to install those, but must say that you could risk breaking the system using debian packages.
[12:12] <genii> mountdevsusbfs   if it exists
[12:13] <chavo> Alcapond, you can try to find ubuntu packages or build from source
[12:13] <Chameleon22> can i PM you the output = 6 lines about
[12:13] <genii> sure
[12:14] <Chameleon22> genii, hrmmm
[12:14] <Alcapond> waylandbill, chavo: thx for the tipp - seems I have to wait for openoffice... :(
[12:15] <waylandbill> Alcapond: that's the other tip. You may want to wait for it to be stable and make its way downstream.
[12:16] <Alcapond> thx all and bye!
[12:20] <Chameleon22> genii, me back and no luck - i hate computers
[12:21] <genii> heh
[12:21] <genii> Do you right now have the drive plugged in?
[12:21] <Chameleon22> before... just unplugged
[12:21] <Chameleon22> why?
[12:22] <Chameleon22> genii, ?
[12:22] <genii> I would try this: unplug the usb cable. Then power up the drive if it has external power. Then plug it in the port and see if it gets seen
[12:23] <Chameleon22> genii, nah both draw power from the port
[12:23] <genii> bah
[12:23] <genii> Did it have an fstab entry before?
[12:23] <Chameleon22> thing is i know they work in both win and other ubuntu boxes. Also know that reinstall will fix the issue but a complete system reinstall is a bitch
[12:24] <Chameleon22> genii, see that i am not sure about, if it did it wasnt put there by me
[12:24] <genii> Hmmm
[12:24] <Chameleon22> genii, oh another thing.... before devices would get mounted as device: sdaX now when i check the dev dir i dont see any sda devices
[12:25] <Chameleon22> :|
[12:25] <genii> Chameleon22: I would say that if it has some entry there with especially a uuid part, comment out the entire line. Then try plugging it in again
[12:25] <waylandbill> it should have a device node if the system saw the device.
[12:26] <genii> waylandbill Yes, this is more of a stab in the dark really LOL
[12:26] <Chameleon22> just checked the fstab, there is nothing usb related
[12:26] <Chameleon22> just the usual stuff
[12:26] <genii> Ok
[12:26] <Chameleon22> 2 UUID lines but they are for swap and root fs
[12:27] <genii> my next thought is there is some lock file interfering
[12:27] <waylandbill> I wonder if whatever makes the usb as virtual scsi devices didn't load or not correctly.
[12:27] <Chameleon22> waylandbill, no idea
[12:27] <genii> Well, it could be something in the generic scsi layer but that gets messy and the lock file would my next simple thing to check
[12:27] <Chameleon22> genii, /var/lock doesnt have anything usefull just vmware and fw lock files
[12:28] <genii> Ah, so you are running it under a vm?
[12:28] <Chameleon22> no
[12:28] <genii> OK
[12:29] <waylandbill> scsi0 should be present at the very least.
[12:29] <Chameleon22> just saying that the only files in /var/lock dir are vmware server lock files and firestarter lock file
[12:29] <genii> Chameleon Are there any subdirs there like usbfs  or something desciptive usb or scsi related?
[12:30] <Chameleon22> /var/lock/subsys/vmware and /var/lock/firestarter  Thats it
[12:30] <genii> OK, thanks
[12:30] <Chameleon22> mmmm
[12:31] <Chameleon22> why scsi
[12:31] <Chameleon22> mmm coffee should i make me a cup or not
[12:31] <Chameleon22> nah will try to solve this first
[12:31] <waylandbill> because usb drives use scsi for mounting
[12:31] <Chameleon22> oh
[12:32] <Chameleon22> perhaps reinstall some scsi packages?
[12:32] <Chameleon22> *shrugs dont know what but its a thought
[12:32] <bumzo> see me rolling
[12:32] <waylandbill> can you pastebin your dmesg output?
[12:32] <genii> Chameleon22: Does ls /proc/scsi/*     show a subdir called usb-storage ?
[12:33] <Chameleon22> waylandbill, hold on - about to, whats the url
[12:33] <Chameleon22> genii, hold on
[12:33] <genii> k
[12:33] <a9913> how do i play mp3s  in amarok?
[12:33] <waylandbill> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[12:34] <Tm_T> !mp3
[12:34] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:34] <a9913> Tm_T, thanks
[12:34] <Chameleon22> waylandbill, genii pastebin for dmesg is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6849/
[12:34] <waylandbill> a9913: if you're on edgy, go to play one and it'll guide you.
[12:35] <a9913> waylandbill, thanks
[12:35] <bumzo> ss
[12:35] <Chameleon22> waylandbill, genii pastebin for proc scsi ls output is : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6850/
[12:37] <Chameleon22> any clues?
[12:37] <genii> Weird, your acpi and usb controller both seem to want "irq 185"
[12:38] <Chameleon22> so its a conflict ?
[12:38] <genii> btw you are not using an smp kernel apparenlt as well
[12:38] <waylandbill> the scsi subsystem is up and running, the usbfs is initialized, and it noticed 2 usb devices.
[12:38] <genii> yup
[12:38] <Chameleon22> well its a progress, how do i fix it is the next question then
[12:38] <genii> I am starting to think acpi is giving grief but it's just a hunch
[12:38] <malik> how do i detect the webcam?
[12:40] <Chameleon22> genii, yeah but how do i fix this bastard if an issue
[12:40] <malik> i have installed the easycam2 and driver source for Ov511 but still all the cam utilities capture my TV tuner car instead of detecting the webcam and the light on the webcam is on so i dont know how to get it detected.........any one can help?
[12:40] <genii> I'm examining the rest of the dmesg right now, gimme a minute
[12:41] <Chameleon22> genii, okies, thanks for that by the way... very appreciated
[12:43] <genii> It bothers me that lsusb freezes
[12:44] <Chameleon22> genii, it bothers me more lol
[12:46] <genii> Well, if some other thing further up the pipe was failing then it would explain perhaps why. But it seems like your usb subsystem is loading OK. Tho I did notice the ACPI kept resetting or having some kind of issue and that usb device 4 seemed to give it grief of some kind. It looks like 2 different usb hubs get found one with 8 ports apparently
[12:47] <genii> Perhaps as an experiment more than anything try to boot with inserted line to grub of noacpi
[12:48] <Chameleon22> ok hold on
[12:52] <carl> hm
[12:52] <carl> does anybody know of a tool for editing/mixing mp3-files?
[12:55] <Dekans> carl: audacity ?
[01:01] <cavallo> what should I use to convert wmv file to mpeg or avi ?
[01:02] <mystikalone> I'm installing Kubuntu and I need some advice in the partition manager part of the installation
[01:08] <malik> can any on help with webcam installayion?......i will pay ..........im seriously exhausted............nothing is seems to be working
[01:09] <carl> Dekans: thanks :)
[01:11] <nomad111> im trying to install a program and im getting this :configure: error: *** Cannot compile without zlib.
[01:13] <malik> can any on help with webcam installayion?......i will pay ..........im seriously exhausted............nothing is seems to be working?
[01:13] <abattoir> !repeat | malik
[01:13] <ubotu> malik: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly, if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[01:13] <abattoir> !webcam | malik
[01:13] <ubotu> malik: Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[01:13] <abattoir> malik: read those?
[01:13] <malik> yea been there done all those tricks
[01:14] <genii> nomad111 Would this by chance be a program called crystalspace3d?
[01:14] <abattoir> malik: which model?
[01:14] <malik> light on the cam is on which i suspect that its installed but how to detect it?................ creative pd0040
[01:15] <mystikalone> I'm installing Kubuntu and I need some advice in the partition manager part of the installation
[01:15] <malik> all the cam utilities show my TV Tuner card instead of webacm
[01:16] <waylandbill> nomad11: install the zlib1g-dev
[01:16] <abattoir> malik: http://laitsas.com/archlinux/12/creative-webcam-plus/
[01:16] <abattoir> malik: it's for arch linux, but i guess you can adapt it to ubuntu
[01:16] <waylandbill> mystikalone: well. what kind of advice?
[01:17] <mystikalone> Everytime I install linux, it corrupts my XP partition, I asked around about it and I've been told I've been doing something wrong
[01:17] <mystikalone> something about manually editing partitions and/or letting the installer do it
[01:18] <Smorg> weird
[01:18] <Smorg> you use fdisk?
[01:18] <vlt> Hello. How can I print from evince to |kprinter?
[01:18] <mystikalone> I've been using the installer partition manager
[01:18] <Smorg> yeah that might be whats messing it up
[01:19] <nomad111> genii: its Visualboy Advance 1.7.2
[01:20] <karol> testowanie
[01:20] <genii> nomad111 Ah, OK... I had the zlib thing before with crystalspace3d. The makefile had wrong path for zlib
[01:22] <mafuz> Hi
[01:22] <nomad111> genii: i think u have zlibg or something
[01:22] <nomad111> genii: zlib1g
[01:22] <nomad111> i just got zlib and installed it
[01:23] <waylandbill> nomad111: and the development headers?
[01:24] <nomad111> waylandbill: i really dont kno wat im doing i think im going to stop
[01:25] <waylandbill> nomad111: ok. but the configure script failed because it needed the dev headers (zlib1g-dev) to compile against the zlib library
[01:26] <nomad111> waylandbill: so how do i delete the zlib package that i compiled and installed
[01:26] <nomad111> waylandbill: i dunno where it got installed
[01:27] <waylandbill> you built it (zlib) from source and installed?
[01:27] <nomad111> ye
[01:28] <nomad111> got it from www.zlib.net
[01:28] <nomad111> and same for libpng
[01:28] <nomad111> which for some reason i regret doing
[01:29] <waylandbill> if they didn't have a means of uninstalling in the makefile, it could be a pain getting them back out.
[01:29] <genii> Yes, truly
[01:29] <nomad111> waylandbill: how do i do that
[01:29] <nomad111> make c;lean or remove?
[01:30] <genii> try make dist-clean or make dist  usually wipes out the targets
[01:33] <nomad111> genii: does it really matter if its there though
[01:34] <nomad111> genii: coz if the process of uninstalling is not for noobs and is unecessary then im just going to leave it there
[01:34] <nomad111> both zlib and libpng
[01:35] <genii> Well, if you did it from source it put them in some more unix path like /usr/var/lib instead of someplace like /var/lib so it won't matter extremely so cept for having stuff just being there taking up room and not being useful
[01:37] <genii> Can you pastebin the makefile for the program you are trying to compile?
[01:37] <waylandbill> when using source, using checkinstall or similar isn't a bad idea.
[01:37] <genii> I may be able to spot the path variable you need to mess with to point it to the right zlib spot
[01:38] <genii> I also like to check the ./configure file and seeing the paths are platform proper and so on
[01:39] <kerric> hi
[01:40] <kerric> any1 know ho to instal samsung ml-3561n netrowrk printer under kubuntu ?
[01:40] <kerric> i need drivers imo, but i cannto find it @ samsung.com
[01:41] <genii> kerric Is this a printer which plugs into a LAN cable?
[01:41] <kerric> yap
[01:42] <kerric> that's network printer
[01:42] <kerric> @ other computers with winxp works ok
[01:42] <larson9999> those i'm a mac, windows, linux spots are great
[01:43] <genii> kerric Install a standard postcript printer then to a tcp-ip port. Should work
[01:43] <kerric> i'll try
[01:43] <kerric> thx
[01:43] <genii> np
[01:43] <renato_> hi has anybody in here managed to install postfix/postgres on edgy?
[01:44] <waylandbill> kerric: linuxprinting.org says it should work but doesn't support PJL. did you run the kde printing wizard?
[01:44] <mafuz> HELLO
[01:45] <kerric> yes, but unther this wizard they don't suply ml-3561n
[01:46] <voicu> has anyone tried to use the translate plugin in kopete?
[01:46] <mystikalone> Need help partitioning my drive to install ubuntu
[01:47] <noela> hi
[01:48] <yettenet> Is it possible to use AmaroK's Context tab on the desktop?
[01:48] <waylandbill> mystikalone: did you choose to manually edit the partition table, resize your windows partition to create space and then make a new parition to hold kubuntu?
[01:48] <hw> mystikalone: It might be a good idea to ask a question...
[01:49] <mystikalone> I had some free space left over
[01:49] <waylandbill> ok. and you made a parition in it to be used to install to?
[01:49] <mystikalone> and I've been told to make a extended space after making a primary for ubuntu, but I think i'm limited to just 1 extended space
[01:50] <waylandbill> what partitions do you have on there now?
[01:50] <chavo> yettenet, not really you can use amarok sidebar in konqueror or you can try some of the amarok widgets for superkaramba
[01:50] <yettenet> :(
[01:50] <yettenet> Thanks
[01:51] <kerric> postscript printing works :] 
[01:51] <mystikalone> I have 2 Primary, 6 in a extended
[01:51] <kerric> thx duude :] 
[01:51] <mystikalone> 1st primary is XP, second primary I'll be using for Ubuntu
[01:52] <waylandbill> mystikalone: you don't need extended then. That's just if you need more than 4 partitions.
[01:52] <mystikalone> so all I need is  '/' ?
[01:52] <waylandbill> mystikalone: you may want a 3rd for swap if you have limited memory though.
[01:54] <koyo001> i have a question
[01:54] <mystikalone> waylandbill: would a screenshot of the mess I have help out?
[01:54] <waylandbill> I guess it can't hurt
[01:54] <koyo001> mplayer
[01:54] <genii> kerric np
[01:55] <koyo001> does it have features like fwd and rwd
[01:55] <saunders> will VLC player play back bit torrent movies/films people?
[01:55] <waylandbill> mystikalone: what are you using those 6 in the extended for?
[01:56] <saunders> :)?
[01:56] <genii> kerric Getting the scanner part to work could be problemmatic
[01:56] <mystikalone> waylandbill: I use them for saving music and applications in Windows
[01:56] <saunders> will vlc play back movies  from bitorrent?
[01:56] <waylandbill> mystikalone: ok
[01:56] <yettenet> saunders: It usually doesn't matter where do you get your movies from
[01:56] <Johny_> !search man
[01:56] <ubotu> Found: ops-#xubuntu-offtopic, german, burners, reiserfs, browsers, xdmcp, samba, uuid, plugins-#ubuntu-effects, smartbootmanager
[01:56] <yettenet> It depends on the movie's codec
[01:56] <yettenet> I mean
[01:56] <yettenet> Compreassion
[01:57] <saunders> mininova
[01:57] <yettenet> ...
[01:57] <mystikalone> waylandbill: http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3295/snapshot2tu2.png
[01:57] <saunders> or www.terrentz.com
[01:57] <kerric> genii i don't need scaner, but i had to install printer @ work :] 
[01:57] <kerric> cause i'm ambitious and i'm the only one which has kubuntu as first os :] 
[01:57] <Johny_> is there any way to "translate" the Man files into a language other than english?
[01:58] <genii> kerric Ah OK :) Perhaps you will recruit kubuntu converts LOL
[01:58] <kerric> i don't think so :] 
[01:58] <kerric> they rather prefer xp :'] 
[01:58] <waylandbill> mystikalone: that looks okay. /dev/sda3 will be the root.
[01:58] <kerric> even our admin which has few debian servers is using xp :] 
[01:59] <waylandbill> mystikalone: is that what your plan is?
[01:59] <mystikalone> waylandbill: yes
[02:00] <koyo001> is there info on mplayer somewhere
[02:00] <yettenet> mplayerhq.com?
[02:00] <koyo001> i need to know how to fwd this shit
[02:00] <yettenet> :P
[02:00] <koyo001> sorry for the language
[02:00] <yettenet> With cursor arrows
[02:00] <Johny_> koyo001: whole documentation is there
[02:00] <koyo001> really
[02:00] <waylandbill> mystikalone: you should be good to go. with that scheme
[02:00] <genii> kerric Well, I admit to using XP quite often. I ssh from there to my linux boxes to do work since they generally do not have some graphical interface to them
[02:00] <Johny_> !mplayer |koyo001
[02:00] <ubotu> koyo001: mplayer is a media player. It resides in the mutiverse repository and can easily be installed via applications -> add/remove. For codecs try !codecs
[02:01] <yettenet> koyo001: Right/Left arrow - 10 sec forward/backwards
[02:01] <yettenet> Up/down: 1 min
[02:01] <yettenet> Pgup/pgdown: 10 mins
[02:01] <mystikalone> waylandbill: So all I need is "/" and nothing more?
[02:01] <koyo001> cool
[02:01] <koyo001> thanks alot
[02:01] <yettenet> Try pressing "O" if you want to know where you are in the movie
[02:02] <kerric> genii and i want to make all od xp possiblities under ubuntu :] 
[02:02] <yettenet> If you want to turn volume up/down, use 9/0 or "/"and"*" on the numeric keyboard
[02:02] <yettenet> Fullscreen is "F"
[02:02] <kerric> genii: and almost all of problems which i had i managed to solve
[02:02] <yettenet> You'll get the others in time
[02:03] <kerric> ganii: but there is one more :] 
[02:03] <waylandbill> mystikalone: it is up to you if you want swap. depends on RAM you have
[02:03] <kerric> ganii: do u know how to connect to vpn which works on sbs2k ?
[02:04] <genii> kerric Cool :) Perhaps if you tell the puzzle there may be a solution available
[02:04] <kishore> hi all
[02:04] <mystikalone> waylandbill: I have 2 gigs, but having a swap wouldn't hurt
[02:04] <kishore> i am using kde-desktop
[02:04] <yettenet> So do we...
[02:04] <yettenet> :)
[02:04] <kishore> unable to install yakuake
[02:04] <kishore> a handy console
[02:05] <yettenet> I use "kuake"
[02:05] <yettenet> :P
[02:05] <yettenet> That's handy as well
[02:05] <waylandbill> mystikalone: I guess it depends on what you are doing.
[02:06] <kishore> when trieng to install i am gettin an error...
[02:06] <kishore> unmet dependencies
[02:06] <waylandbill> 2 gig should be enough on it's own unless youre doing some serious mem usage
[02:07] <mystikalone> waylandbill: well, ok thanks
[02:14] <slow-motion> hallo
[02:17] <genii> kerric Does the vpn use ipsec or ppptp ?
[02:17] <genii> pptp sorry
[02:18] <genii> bleh need coffee LOL
[02:18] <kerric> pptp
[02:20] <genii> kerric You have Feisty or Edgy or what?
[02:21] <kerric> edgy
[02:22] <genii> This site shows for feisty but also has some other useful info on the entire subject. http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-ubuntu.phtml
[02:23] <kerric> thx :)
[02:23] <genii> kerric Glad to help
[02:28] <steveire> hey. /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so exists, but when I scan for plugins in konquerer only the flash plugin is found. I have sun-java6-plugin installed.
[02:28] <waylandbill> steveire: is that directory in konq's list?
[02:29] <steveire> waylandbill: Yep.
[02:29] <waylandbill> and you rescanned I assume
[02:30] <waylandbill> oh yeah. you said you did. :-)
[02:31] <frojnd> does anyone here uses us keyboard layout: how can I get letter "`"
[02:32] <spawn57> key next to 1
[02:32] <spawn57> `
[02:32] <Kite_DH> how to make .tar archives?
[02:33] <frojnd> spawn57: I have  rpoblems with this key when I am in counter strake game..
[02:33] <frojnd> here I can use it next to 1
[02:33] <frojnd> but in game it doesn't work :s
[02:33] <waylandbill> steveire: mine looks to be doing the same. I only see libflash in the list.
[02:33] <spawn57> frojnd: different keyboard layout in teh game?
[02:34] <chavo> Kite_DH, tar cf directoryname.tar directoryname, or use the right click menu in konq
[02:34] <frojnd> spawn57:  no, in the hame is US... it worked for me  when I have windows..
[02:34] <frojnd> hame = game
[02:34] <steveire> waylandbill: http://www.eserc.stonybrook.edu/ProjectJava/Bragg/ Does the applet there load?
[02:34] <steveire> My about:plugins lists java capability, but does not load the applet.
[02:34] <waylandbill> nope.
[02:35] <spawn57> not sure then =\ sorry man
[02:37] <braneq> hello. talk here someone in SK or CZ language?
[02:37] <Blued0g> hey
[02:37] <Blued0g> anybody know why xirc might not work behind a proxy/firewall, but gaim and mirc are fine?
[02:37] <Blued0g> it connects but i cant send/receive messages
[02:38] <waylandbill> steveire: change the java executable path in the java page to /usr/bin/java and it works.
[02:39] <braneq> nobody? damn. ok, i need some info about kubuntu 6.10
[02:39] <steveire> thanks.
[02:40] <steveire> waylandbill: How'd you figure that out?
[02:40] <steveire> braneq: What is your quest?
[02:40] <braneq> steveire:  looking for the monitor/display settings
[02:41] <steveire> Ok. What do you want to change?
[02:41] <braneq> steveire: but in system options in nothing like that
[02:41] <waylandbill> I looked at that page, then did a 'which java' and typed it in. Not sure why just 'in the path' somewhere didn't work. Maybe a miswired signal/slot made it seem unconfigured or something.
[02:41] <Danker> Hi
[02:41] <Danker> How do I force unload of kernel driver?
[02:41] <waylandbill> It may be that the java was installed at a later time. don't know.
[02:41] <Danker> It says it is currently in use....
[02:42] <waylandbill> Danker: rmmod
[02:42] <clarissa> how to login as root to install software through apt-get install ? cant go admin with su command
[02:42] <Danker> thanks ;)
[02:42] <steveire> braneq: What are you trying to change
[02:42] <steveire> ?
[02:42] <chavo> !sudo | clarissa
[02:42] <ubotu> clarissa: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:43] <clarissa> chavo: thx :) mh sad that su is away now ^^" i mean as command
[02:43] <Blued0g> hey guys, i just updated my kernel thru ubuntu update...
[02:43] <Blued0g> how do i remove the old one from the boot menu?
[02:43] <Blued0g> is it ok to leave it on the system?
[02:43] <waylandbill> clarissa: sudo -s if you want more than one command.
[02:43] <clarissa> waylandbill: more than one command? what do you mean?
[02:43] <chavo> clarissa, you can enable the root account but it's not recommended
[02:44] <waylandbill> clarissa: sudo -s  gives equiv as su (sudo command only does a single command)
[02:44] <darx> ciao
[02:44] <clarissa> ah i see
[02:44] <Danker> How to know who is using module?
[02:44] <darx> ce qualke italiano?
[02:44] <clarissa> woah complicated @.@
[02:44] <waylandbill> remember to log out of it though or someone has full root access.
[02:44] <darx> help me :(
[02:44] <waylandbill> that's one bonus of sudo since it times out.
[02:44] <darx> pls
[02:44] <darx> :O
[02:44] <steveire> Blued0g: You can use aptitude/adept to remove the old kernel. That will also clean up the menu.
[02:45] <clarissa> why removed su for login (terminal way) as root? :)
[02:45] <waylandbill> security issues
[02:45] <clarissa> ah i see o.o
[02:45] <braneq> steveire: monitor resolution. yes, i might xorg.conf (i was do that), but i miss that. in dapper was all ok.
[02:46] <darx> who send me his sources.list?????
[02:46] <darx> :(
[02:46] <steveire> !it
[02:46] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[02:46] <clarissa> mh okay sudo seems to be usable its just ive learned to work with su okay um where can i install software? need midnight commander (shortly mc as package)
[02:46] <braneq> steveire: sorry for my very bad english...:P
[02:47] <waylandbill> clarissa: you can enable the root account by doing 'sudo passwd' but I would recommend using sudo
[02:47] <waylandbill> clarissa: adept, aptitude, apt-get etc.
[02:47] <clarissa> apt-get install mc said that it cant find mc:)
[02:48] <waylandbill> !universe
[02:48] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:48] <stdin> clarissa: you need to enable universe
[02:48] <clarissa> okay it seems to get really complicated :(
[02:52] <steveire> clarissa: Why do you want mc?
[02:52] <clarissa> steveire: cause i love mc to edit things or browse through folders :)
[02:52] <clarissa> or to copy stuff:)
[02:53] <darx> come faccio a andarein ubuntu.it mi devo registreare??
[03:00] <waylandbill> clarissa: you know that in Konqueror's split view mode, you can use F7 to copy or F8 to move?
[03:00] <fir3> hi
[03:01] <fir3> someone knows how i can get sound previews in konqueror working again?
[03:01] <clarissa> waylandbill mh nope didnt knew that but i prefer mc after all
[03:02] <waylandbill> clarissa: I figured you're used to mc. :)
[03:02] <clarissa> yep :)
[03:04] <ines> ???
[03:05] <clarissa> in xorg.conf i can see identifier "VIA technologies, inc. vt8623 [Apollo CLE266]  integrated CastleRock graphics"   and beyond that  Driver "via"   does that mean my graphic has 3D and is running well? :)
[03:07] <Danker> How do i kill "unkillable" process?
[03:07] <ines> ???
[03:07] <Danker> kill -9 doesn't work...
[03:07] <waylandbill> clarissa: 3d can be told with "glxinfo | grep render"
[03:07] <ines> les jours passent mais sa ne compte pas j'ai ten de mal a vivre
[03:08] <chavo> Danker, try kill -12
[03:08] <ines> ivre de se parfum si diffrent du tien
[03:08] <ines> pire
[03:08] <ines> lol
[03:08] <ines> ^^
[03:09] <clarissa> waylandbill it says libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x46    direct rendering: Yes   OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI CastleRock (CLE266) 20060710 is that okay or something to fix?
[03:09] <waylandbill> !fr | ines
[03:09] <ubotu> ines: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:10] <Danker> chavo: nothing...
[03:10] <waylandbill> clarissa: I'm not sure what the warning means. You've got 3d though.
[03:11] <mimmolinux> nessun italiano?
[03:11] <clarissa> ah cool :D mh i think i never will switch distribution now again i stay at this here xD doesnt matter for updates i need 3D acceleration and this kubuntu distri is the first linux distribution what gives me 3D on the fly :)
[03:15] <clarissa> waylandbill: um is there any tutorial how to install beryl now? (since my videochip isnt nvidia or ati and i never used kubuntu before i dont know how it works here)
[03:15] <waylandbill> clarissa: all my attempts to run beryl under kubuntu have failed horribly, so I'm not the best to ask.
[03:16] <chavo> clarissa, what video card do you have?
[03:16] <cryptom> I installed edubuntu-desktop and shortly after that deinstalled again on a ltsp-server. But I still see the edubuntu logon-screen. how do i get rid of that?
[03:16] <clarissa> chavo: my notebook has VIA CLE266 CastleRock IGP (integrated graphics processor)
[03:17] <chavo> ok not sure about VIA
[03:17] <stdin> cryptom: if you are on edgy+ then you can do "sudo apt-get autoremove"
[03:17] <chavo> I know with my intel chip in my laptop it works out of the box with the intel driver
[03:17] <clarissa> chavo: i have direct rendering enabled on the fly here so i only need to know how to run beryl at it ^^"
[03:18] <chavo> clarissa, which kubuntu version?
[03:18] <cryptom> stdin, thanks, I removed (purged) edubuntu-desktop with aptitude which automatically removed all depending packages
[03:18] <clarissa> chavo: newest one downloaded dvd yesterday :)
[03:19] <chavo> clarissa, is it edgy?
[03:19] <cryptom> stdin, but that didnt help
[03:19] <stdin> cryptom: do you still see the option to login to edubuntu, or just the gdm theme?
[03:19] <clarissa> chavo: yes i think so :)
[03:19] <chavo> clarissa, cat /etc/issue
[03:19] <Danker> Where's is a file where is stored what modules will be loaded on boot?
[03:20] <stdin> Danker: /etc/modules
[03:20] <clarissa> chavo: Ubuntu 6.10 \n \l
[03:20] <Danker> There's only a few lines ....
[03:20] <cavallo> hi
[03:20] <Danker> Nothing good to remove :)
[03:20] <Danker> cavallo: hi :)
[03:21] <chavo> clarissa, http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=51 here's a link to explain hot to get beryl
[03:21] <stdin> Danker: other modules are loaded by the kernel after detecting what hardware you have
[03:21] <cavallo> why I cant get my resolution to 1400x1024 ? I have modified xorg.conf and set in the default detph this resolution but nothing happens :/
[03:21] <clarissa> chavo: thank you :)
[03:22] <Danker> stdin: How should i disable 'some' modules loading?
[03:22] <cryptom> stdin, its not gdm, I use ltsp which means they use ldm. I still see the edubuntu-background-image, but its no longer in the session list
[03:22] <genii> cavallo Please pastebin your xorg.conf
[03:23] <stdin> Danker: blacklist them, in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[03:23] <Danker> thanks :)
[03:23] <stdin> cryptom: hmm, yeah, forgot about ldm
[03:24] <cavallo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6869/
[03:24] <stdin> cryptom: maybe ask in #edubuntu , they are bound to know more about it than me
[03:25] <cryptom> ok, thanks
[03:25] <genii> cavallo reading
[03:25] <incorrect> are there packages of kde themes,  the default ones are dull
[03:25] <cryptom> stdin, maybe I found it: symlink pointing to a no longer existing edubuntu directory
[03:26] <stdin> cryptom: removing the packages should remove that, but if it didn't can you please report a bug on it?
[03:26] <stdin> !theme | incorrect
[03:26] <ubotu> incorrect: Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[03:27] <incorrect> i am lazy :) i wanted packaged themes
[03:27] <stdin> incorrect: you just download them and install them (from system settings) it's not difficult :)
[03:28] <incorrect> oh but im still too lazy :D
[03:28] <cryptom> the strange thing is: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/alternatives/ldm-theme points to /usr/share/ldm/themes/Edubuntu (which does not exist), but there is no /usr/share/ldm/ at all! And I surely did not set this link manually (and I still have ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop installed)
[03:28] <Jucato>  !changethemes | incorrect
[03:28] <ubotu> incorrect: [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[03:28] <incorrect> apt-get install lazylazylazy :D
[03:30] <stdin> cryptom: that dir is made by installing the ldm package, and would have been removed by uninstalling it
[03:30] <stdin> incorrect: you forgot sudo :P
[03:30] <incorrect> i don't sudo
[03:30] <genii> cavallo Are you sure it is 1400x1050 and not 1440x1050 that you want?
[03:30] <incorrect> i sudo -i 'd a long time ago
[03:31] <Blued0g> i just updated to kernel .11 via kubuntu update, now i have 2 linuxes in my grub menu
[03:31] <Blued0g> how can i remove one?
[03:31] <Blued0g> and should i remove the old kernel?
[03:31] <cavallo> genii: not shure :P
[03:31] <clarissa> chavo: http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=51  did that but at step 3 it says that it cant find package beryl
[03:31] <jhutchins> Blued0g: It's a good idea to keep at least one old kernel around for a while, to make sure that everything's working correctly with the new one.
[03:32] <Jucato> Blued0g: you can uninstall the other kernel just like a regular package. but jhutchins' advice is correct
[03:32] <genii> cavallo OK I will make a new file and then make a backup the old one then replace it with the new one I will give. If it is unsuccessful you can revert back after
[03:32] <Blued0g> ok guys, thanks :)
[03:32] <Blued0g> is there a way to take the old one from grub, or is it safer to leave it there?
[03:32] <stdin> Blued0g: you don't have to remove it, but you can if you want to, just remove the version from adept. The package is "linux-image-(version)-generic (if it's the -generic kernel)
[03:33] <Blued0g> awesome
[03:33] <cavallo> genii: ok
[03:33] <Jucato> Blued0g: if you remove it from menu.lst, it would defeat the purpose of keeping it installed :)
[03:33] <Danker> " i/o port 0x03f8 already in use". How should i know who is using it?
[03:33] <Blued0g> yeah lol i just realised that =D
[03:33] <BluesKaj> Howdy :)
[03:33] <Blued0g> On a side note, I'm on the generic kernel, what are the alternatives?
[03:34] <HymnToLife> Jucato, or maybe boot it manually with the GRUB shell to impress his friends :p
[03:34] <Blued0g> Generic sounds like its not fine tuned for anything in specific, but maybe im reading it wrong
[03:34] <Jucato> !generic | Blued0g
[03:34] <ubotu> Blued0g: Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[03:34] <Jucato> Blued0g: on the contrary, it's fine tuned for almost everything :)
[03:34] <cryptom> stdin, you are right, that package was not installed, but how was it removed, I only purged edubuntu-desktop with kubuntu- und ubuntu-desktop still installed
[03:34] <Blued0g> cool, cheers :D
[03:35] <genii> cavallo I have made the new one. But first copy the old one to some name like xorg.conf.orig and then I will give you the pastebin for the new one
[03:36] <Blued0g> hmm, still got issues with xirc, im in gaim at the moment
[03:36] <Blued0g> xirc connects but doenst send/receive messages... anybody know much about it?
[03:36] <Blued0g> I'm behind a proxy/firewall, but mirc and gaim work fine..
[03:37] <genii> cavallo Did you back up the file you have yet?
[03:37] <cavallo> yes
[03:37] <genii> cavallo OK http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6870/
[03:37] <mona> ???
[03:38] <mona> d
[03:38] <incorrect> which is better? superkaramba or karamba
[03:39] <mona> j'en connait aucun des 2 dsl
[03:39] <stdin> cryptom: probably because edubuntu-desktop depended on it, and when you purged it, you removed it's dependencies
[03:39] <BluesKaj> !fr | mona
[03:39] <ubotu> mona: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:41] <genii> cavallo After the change you can restart the xserver with ctrl-alt-backspace
[03:41] <pCarsten> i have a danish keyboard set up with no dead keys, which works fine most of the time .. but now I need to compose german characters like u-umlaut. any idea how to do this?
[03:41] <Jucato> incorrect: there no longer is a "Karamba". it's Superkaramba now
[03:41] <cavallo> genii: ok
[03:41] <Danker> " i/o port 0x03f8 already in use". How should i know who is using it? Which modules or something is using it?
[03:41] <BluesKaj> !keyboard
[03:41] <ubotu> To find out how to switch your keyboard layout, See https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[03:42] <genii> Danker Thats your serial port 1
[03:42] <Forge> hmmm disk space again
[03:43] <Danker> Yap, but what program/modules is using it?
[03:45] <naph> hi, i've got a really strange networking problem that i just can't find any information on.  my internet connection is fine, but i'm having a few problems from some apps.  kcheckgmail can't connect, and amarok's last.fm service and podcasts don't work.  if i amp off startkde so kdm is still going though everything is fine!  can anyone help?
[03:45] <genii> Danker Do you have some UPS control software like apcupsd or external dialup modem program installed perhaps? Both of those would
[03:45] <neil> hey
[03:46] <naph> i've tried googling around for help on my problem, but just can't think of how to describe it to a search engine, ya know?
[03:46] <genii> cavallo Were you able to get the 1440 resolution?
[03:46] <Danker> I dont think so...
[03:47] <waylandbill> naph: name lookup problem, firewall blocking ports, could be different things.
[03:49] <naph> waylandbill: but it works fine if i start kde abnormally, i can't understand what could be different?  (i don't run a firewall)
[03:49] <genii> Danker Please pastebin results of lsmod
[03:49] <naph> (abnormally means amping it off like i said, which i found out by mistake)
[03:49] <dominik> hello guys
[03:51] <naph> can anyone give me some suggestions on how to go about debugging this problem?  i've checked syslog and dmesg and found nothing...
[03:52] <genii> cavallo Still here?
[03:54] <waylandbill> naph: hard to say without knowing exactly what part of the program is getting a network error. you could try running the program in a console and see if it outputs anything useful.
[03:54] <naph> waylandbill: yeah i've tried that already but the most useful thing i've found is just "cannot connect"...  i'm completely out of ideas, it's such a strange one!
[03:55] <waylandbill> there's not a command line switch for more debug info for the program?
[03:56] <naph> i've tried compiling amarok with full debugging info but got nothing...
[03:57] <naph> is there any way kde effects networking when it starts/stops?
[03:57] <Forge> brb
[03:59] <naph> OMG!  i just fixed it.  i've recently upgraded to feisty and just noticed this new wireless manager thing.  so i just turned it off and bam!  bizarre...  sorry for wasting ur time, thanks for the help!
[04:02] <NSCAD_Nathan> Hey, trying to get firewire working (both DV cam and hdd) ae there any good howtos out there?
[04:02] <eric_> what services could I disable to free up RAM?
[04:03] <Jucato> !ram | eric_
[04:03] <ubotu> eric_: A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[04:04] <BluesKaj> I would like to move a seldom used icon/program into the kmenu/applications list ... I tried using the kde menu editor but that just adds it to the list but doesn't remove the prog from the desktop , which seems to be the default location ...any ideas?
[04:04] <Jucato> eric_: you don't need to. Linux is very smart in handling RAM
[04:04] <eric_> hmmm
[04:04] <eric_> ok
[04:06] <raylu> BluesKaj, why would it? Can't you just delete the icon from the desktop?
[04:07] <eric_> its annoying how the icons are so big lol
[04:07] <raylu> In...Konquerer?
[04:07] <eric_> can you change the size of them?
[04:07] <eric_> oh the desktop
[04:08] <fiyawerx> anyone know how to tell what device your bluetooth adapter is? Like in the way an ethernet card can be 'eth0'
[04:09] <BluesKaj> raylu , no it's not a "shortcut"
[04:09] <stdin> eric_: System Settings -> Appearance -> Icons -> Advanced
[04:09] <raylu> eric_, System Settings > Appearance > Icons
[04:09] <raylu> lol
[04:09] <stdin> I win :)
[04:09] <sharon> goededag allemaal
[04:10] <raylu> BluesKaj, you installed a program to your desktop?
[04:10] <eric_> ahh
[04:10] <eric_> yes thats better
[04:11] <eric_> thanks
[04:11] <BluesKaj> nope that's the way it installed
[04:11] <cavallo> genii: sorry for long replay. I was outside and I have sended file to my frined which one have this problem and he have tryed it and its still the same :/ Nothing changed
[04:12] <waylandbill> the executable installed to your desktop or a folder on it our something similar?
[04:14] <BluesKaj> waylandbill, looks that way
[04:15] <genii> cavallo Ah, OK. It would help greatly to know the exact model of the monitor and the exact amount of memory the video card has if possible
[04:15] <waylandbill> BluesKaj: and you want a menu entry for it but don't want it on the desktop anymore?
[04:15] <raylu> BluesKaj, what program is this anyway?
[04:17] <BluesKaj> waylandbill, correct
[04:17] <cavallo> genii: its laptop. I will ask for graphic card memory
[04:18] <waylandbill> BluesKaj: you're going to have to put the files somewhere beside the desktop and then make the menu entry. The menu isn't a file system location to hold your program.
[04:18] <genii> cavallo OK
[04:18] <Johny_> !pastebin | Johny_
[04:18] <BluesKaj> waylandbill, yes i realize that , but thought someone might know trick  :)
[04:20] <dominik> hi, can someone tell me how to configure kmail to connect to hotmail?
[04:20] <waylandbill> BluesKaj: nope. no trick. :)
[04:21] <stdin> !hotmail
[04:21] <ubotu> If you must use this microsoft product, consider hotway: hotwayd/hotsmtpd are POP3/SMTP-HTTPMail gateway daemons, also works for lycos spray and msn
[04:22] <dominik> hmm
[04:23] <waylandbill> switch to gmail. ;-)
[04:23] <stdin> yep
[04:23] <dominik> it looks like I can't use kmail for hotmail then...
[04:23] <waylandbill> you can. you just need extra software to make the conversions is all.
[04:24] <stdin> M$ have made it very difficult to use anything but outlook (and express) with hotmail
[04:24] <esaym> Ok I got a funny question
[04:24] <dominik> well, for beginers like myself, its hard to install extra softare just to configure email client!
[04:25] <Jucato> the problem would probably be on hotmail's side... (lack of free POP3)
[04:25] <stdin> dominik: blame MS, they are the one using non-standard ways to deliver email (spam)
[04:25] <esaym> A week or so ago I added /windows and /windows2 as a mount point in my fstab.  Now even though I have deleted those entries in fstab when I browse / in konqueror the windows and windows2 folders still show up and if I deleted them they come back
[04:25] <esaym> so what is adding them?
[04:26] <Jucato> esaym: you deleted the folders as well?
[04:26] <BluesKaj> dominik, well kmail is infinitely more difficult to configure than thunderbird ...stick with T-bird if yer gonna use yer ISP mail server
[04:27] <esaym> yea I can delete /windows and /windows2 but if I click refresh or anything they just come back
[04:27] <dominik> well, I guess I have to switch to gmail finally...and give my new email address to my friends
[04:27] <stdin> esaym: are you trying to delete them as the normal user, or root (sudo/kdesu) ?
[04:27] <esaym> hmm, let me try root
[04:28] <stdin> esaym: make sure they are empty first, don't want to accidentally delete any data
[04:28] <genii> cavallo Still here?
[04:28] <esaym> ok deleted them as root worked!  Thank you stdin
[04:29] <esaym> I would have never thought of that
[04:29] <Jucato> esaym: next time, check who owns the file/folder when you encounter problems like these
[04:29] <dominik> i have another question, how do I switch off the GUI of my computer when I just want to run it as a server ???
[04:29] <stdin> esaym: no problem, just remember, to delete/modify anything outside of your home directory, you need to be the super-user
[04:30] <esaym> Juncato: yea I didn't think of that either
[04:30] <cavallo> genii: yes
[04:30] <Jucato> hehehe @ juncato :)
[04:30] <stdin> dominik: just switch to a console (Ctrl-Alt-F1), login, and kill kdm (sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop)
[04:31] <Jucato> esaym: another tip: to easily complete names in IRC (most IRC clients), type a few letters, then press Tab :)
[04:31] <genii> cavallo Another xorg.conf altered to try that I just made: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6873/
[04:31] <Jucato> esaym: saves on typing and spelling :D
[04:31] <dominik> stdin: if I later want the GUI to come up, how do I do it?
[04:31] <HymnToLife> dominik, same thing with start
[04:31] <stdin> the printed symbol on my tab key is beginning to ware out :P
[04:32] <esaym> Jucato: is see how nice!  Sorry I mis-spelled you the other time ;)
[04:32] <stdin> dominik: same command, except replace 'stop' with 'start', like: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[04:32] <dominik> stdin: thanks a lot
[04:33] <genii> cavallo There was an error in your very original xorg.conf that I did not catch the first time, which is that your video card tries to use a monitor name that does not exist in the file
[04:33] <stdin> dominik: no problem :)
[04:33] <Jucato> esaym: no worries :)
[04:33] <esaym> Opps I missed typed again.  Thats supposed to read " I see"
[04:33] <esaym> not "is see"
[04:33] <renato> hi, has anyone in here any experience of setting up postfix?
[04:34] <stdin> esaym: if you use Konversation, you can use spell check too :)
[04:34] <fdoving> renato: yes. i have.
[04:34] <stdin> * probably in other too
[04:34] <esaym> stdin: Yea I got spell checking enabled
[04:34] <renato> fdoving, by any chance did you use postgres as a backend?
[04:34] <fdoving> renato: no.
[04:35] <renato> tx anyway
[04:35] <fdoving> renato: postfix.org have freat documentation.
[04:35] <genii> renato I have setup postfix+cyrus sasl2 with postgres as backend but on freebsd before
[04:36] <renato> genii I get weired errors like:
[04:36] <renato> irtual_alias_maps map lookup problem for massimo@eudealers.com where eudealers is the virtual domain and massimo is just a test user
[04:37] <renato> any now and then I also get this problem , which could be the root couse: warning: connect to pgsql server localhost: SSL SYSCALL error: No such file or directory?
[04:37] <genii> renato did you do a postalias command after changing the virtual aliases files?
[04:37] <raylu> BluesKaj, did you ever get your issue resolved?
[04:37] <renato> as far as I know the virtual aliases are stored in the  database, not in a file
[04:39] <genii> renato Did you setup a db for it with the pgadmin stuff with some password for the pgsql user?
[04:40] <cavallo> genii: are you shure ? it was "Generic Monitor" ....  I think they were the same
[04:40] <renato> genii, I did, I have been following this guide: http://codepoets.co.uk/docs/postfix_postgresql_postfixadmin_courier_howto which is tailored on dapper, but it should not be all that different in edgy
[04:41] <genii> cavallo No, that is not the name you need to use there, you need to use "monitor1" because that is the handle (or name) that Generic Monitor is called
[04:41] <genii> cavallo Anyhow, I fixed it all in that last pastebin for you
[04:42] <BluesKaj> raylu, no , but i'm still trying stuff :)
[04:42] <raylu> BluesKaj, what was it that you installed anyway? I disconnected before you answered
[04:43] <BluesKaj> raylu, it's an iso converter proggy : AcetoneISO
[04:43] <genii> renato As a sidenote you should know that postgres and postfix both refuse to run as root
[04:43] <surgy> krdc will not establish a connection to another kubuntu box running on my lan
[04:43] <BluesKaj> works well tho
[04:43] <surgy> hi genii how did you nerbie video project turn out?
[04:44] <raylu> BluesKaj, what are you converting from/to?
[04:44] <genii> surgy I'm still trying to get the separate boxes synched, there seems to be some weirdness with them losing clock time and getting messedup for some reason :(
[04:45] <renato> genii postgres is running just fine, I am using it for other applications, I went to the postfix config file ( do not remember the name now) and I modified it for not runnning as root, maybe I have been unsuccessful on this
[04:45] <genii> surgy And yes, using a tick server
[04:45] <surgy> genii: cmos batteries?
[04:46] <surgy> genii: do you mind helping me with krdc?
[04:46] <genii> surgy I am suspecting the quality of electricity in the house now actually
[04:46] <raylu> Holy crap, BluesKaj, this program owns.
[04:46] <raylu> I have to run now, but I'm definitely recommending this to my friend when I get back; thanks!
[04:46] <surgy> genii: even with power failure a good cmos battery will hold clock data for a year
[04:46] <BluesKaj> raylu, from mdf to iso
[04:47] <raylu> There's a tool in one of the repositories for that, BluesKaj
[04:47] <raylu> called mdf2iso
[04:47] <genii> surgy I used a multimeter to find out my wall juice seems to be wavering off of 60Hz for some reason
[04:48] <elcuco> does speedcrunch have modulus support?
[04:48] <surgy> genii: yeeah mine does that too.... i got a good rack mount power conditioner off ebay for $45 it has a simple circuit that keeps the voltage hertz ohms and watts constant
[04:48] <jhutchins> genii: You have a multimeter with frequency counting?
[04:49] <|DeMolay|> ya he vuelto
[04:49] <jhutchins> genii: The 60hz standard is pretty rigid, it would take some pretty wierd conditions to get much variance.
[04:49] <genii> jhutchins Well, it is partially a scope (Fluke)
[04:49] <jhutchins> genii: They run clocks on 60hz synchromotors, and the clocks keep very good time.
[04:50] <surgy> can someone help me get a krdc connection with a computer on my lan?
[04:50] <BluesKaj> raylu, what tool ?
[04:50] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: mdf2iso
[04:51] <waylandbill> surgy: what are you having trouble with? did you run krfb or vnc or something?
[04:51] <BluesKaj> thx, jhutchins
[04:51] <jhutchins> genii: I would suspect the reading before I suspected the actual wall current frequency, but a UPS with line conditioning would be a good idea anyway.
[04:52] <jhutchins> genii: Then again, if you're running a laptop you only need surge protection.
[04:52] <surgy> waylandbill: well i ran ifconfig on the computer receiving the connection to get the ip and then i went to the computer that is trying to connect opened krdc and entered the computers lan ip and the "connect" button will not light up
[04:53] <waylandbill> surgy you need the display number (:0) by default.
[04:53] <BluesKaj> jhutchins, "acetoneiso" works very well for all kinds of image files , not just the alky120% variety
[04:53] <surgy> waylandbill: can you give me an example please?
[04:53] <genii> jhutchins The boxes I have on an APC BackUPS 500 seem to be fine, just the ones running off of wall current
[04:53] <BluesKaj> bbiab ...chores to do
[04:53] <waylandbill> surgy: 192.168.0.1:0
[04:53] <surgy> genii: run them all off the ups
[04:53] <genii> surgy I can't help you much with the krdc stuff, sorry :(
[04:54] <surgy> waylandbill: Connection failed. No server running at the given address and port.
[04:54] <surgy> waylandbill: i used 192.168.1.66:0
[04:54] <waylandbill> surgy: what server program are you using? krfb?
[04:55] <surgy> waylandbill: none i assumed krdc had a built in server running allready by defualt on kde
[04:55] <waylandbill> surgy: no. krdc is the client. you need to run a server on the other end.
[04:56] <surgy> waylandbill: so just run krfb on the other machine and i should be good?
[04:57] <pointywoody> running feisty herd4 here - got a question about knetworkmanager: Will it only support WEP or will WPA also be supported?
[04:57] <waylandbill> surgy: yes. or any VNC or RDP server. krfb is really made for over the internet rather than the lan.
[04:58] <waylandbill> surgy: looking in adept or using apt-cache to find the search term "vnc" will show several choices for a vnc server.
[04:59] <surgy> waylandbill: i have some experience with realvnc
[04:59] <surgy> for windows
[04:59] <stdin> posingaspopular: for questions about feisty, ask in #ubuntu+1 or #kubuntu-devel please
[05:00] <waylandbill> surgy: that would be 'vncserver' package
[05:00] <surgy> waylandbill: ok i started krfb and im now stuck at authenticating, i got the pw from the krfb invite....... but it never asked me to enter it, and also it whould be nice if i could just run the server as a background process on the other computer and have a 24/7 invitation where i could always connect and remote control the computer
[05:01] <waylandbill> surgy: then you want vncserver.
[05:01] <waylandbill> surgy: as I said. krfb is geared toward temporary internet connections.
[05:01] <surgy> waylandbill: will that run invisable? and where do i tell krdc what the password is?
[05:03] <waylandbill> surgy: it will ask during authentication. vncserver can be set up invisible, but is very easy to open a console and get it running.
[05:03] <surgy> waylandbill: kewl i got it running now
[05:04] <surgy> next problem......... I need a program that acts close to outlook express and caneasily intereact with the real outlook express
[05:04] <waylandbill> surgy: there's ways to get it to run automatically off xinetd with xdmcp to get multiple instances going.
[05:04] <jhutchins> Of course you can just do X forwarding, especially if it's a lan connection.
[05:05] <genii> renato Still here?
[05:05] <waylandbill> surgy: what do you mean by "interact with" ?
[05:05] <renato> yes, I went to the postfix config file
[05:06] <soulrider> !vmware
[05:06] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware
[05:06] <renato> and as advised I turned into "non root" all processes charooted in there
[05:06] <surgy> waylandbill: as in not have anyproblems, my mother is going to school online and they require outlook express for all students
[05:06] <soulrider> !es
[05:06] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:07] <surgy> waylandbill: if all students use it she will need a program that she can use so that she can easily interact with them the same as if she was on outlook express
[05:07] <waylandbill> surgy: you mean they need to fetch and send email?
[05:08] <renato> I am checking sending mile to one account
[05:08] <surgy> waylandbill: yes but it has to be close if not exact to outlook
[05:08] <surgy> waylandbill: can i run outlook through wine?
[05:08] <genii> renato Good, it is much safer and also the system expects it to run this way.
[05:08] <waylandbill> surgy: thunderbird and kmail are very close. (much safer even)
[05:09] <renato> genii, I wonder who is the ubuntu manteiner wh left about 10 processes charooted at this point!
[05:09] <surgy> waylandbill: she is trying to convert to linux and im trying to make it as easy as possible for her
[05:09] <waylandbill> surgy: I personally use thunderbird and put thunderbird on most of the windows computers here.
[05:09] <genii> renato Heh, I do not know but it is not that good practice
[05:09] <renato> genii where is specified what host, username and password postfix will log in with?
[05:10] <Bxnp> when is kubuntu fixing the qt problems, sight
[05:10] <surgy> waylandbill: and they have no problems if a bit of information is sent from outlook to thunderbird client?
[05:10] <waylandbill> surgy: IIRC mozilla's website has pointers for OE users switching to TB.
[05:10] <genii> renato It has been a while :) Let me go find out
[05:11] <waylandbill> surgy: no pop/imap/smtp/mime are all standard. shouldn't be any problem.
[05:11] <surgy> waylandbill: ok what about her outlook user identity? will it convert easily to thunderbid?
[05:11] <lnxwh0re> i red the documention of kubuntu but it doesnt refer anything about the boot loader software does it install it automatically or i have to install it manually?
[05:12] <lnxwh0re> i have two seperate hard disks and i want to make a dual boot system
[05:12] <waylandbill> surgy: thunderbird on windows can directly read OE files and import them. The switch to linux will need to be done manually. You can always give her a head start by installing TB on her windows machine.
[05:13] <waylandbill> surgy: then when there is linux, she'll already know how to use it
[05:13] <renato> genii don't bother, I found it
[05:13] <genii> renato Ah, good...I think it was in smtpd.conf or so but it has been perhaps 5 years ago now that I had to remember
[05:14] <genii> or virtual_domains.cf
[05:15] <surgy> waylandbill: she is allready on kubuntu lol she found the cd and stuck it in :)
[05:15] <renato> it was MUCH more complicated that that :(
[05:15] <waylandbill> surgy: oh. crash course then. :-)
[05:15] <renato> actually I found it in about 5 places, but is seems like I missed some out still
[05:15] <surgy> waylandbill: is the interface in TB similar to outlook? i know very little about either
[05:16] <renato> an easy question for all of you, how do I go to the top of a webpage with konqueror? ctrl-home sends to to another page
[05:16] <surgy> renato: use backspace
[05:17] <renato> surgy, backspace for?
[05:17] <Jucato> renato: Alt+Home
[05:18] <Jucato> renato: you can change the default keyboard shortcuts. Settings -> Configure Shortcuts
[05:18] <surgy> renato: it takes you to top i think
[05:18] <waylandbill> surgy: install it and find out. :-)
[05:18] <surgy> good morning jucato
[05:18] <Jucato> moin surgy
[05:18] <surgy> waylandbill: of course thank you
[05:19] <genii> renato I found a gentoo-centric page with some help on this for where conf files and syntax and so on are, : http://www.edoceo.com/liber/nuntius-setup.php
[05:19] <renato> not here, it does not
[05:19] <Jucato> renato: what doesn't? Alt+Home?
[05:20] <genii> renato You can likely filter out from it where the hookups between postfix and postgres are mostly from it anyhow
[05:20] <renato> Jucato: both Home and Alt+home do the trick.... I have to use my left brain more it seems :) haha
[05:21] <waylandbill> surgy: after TB is set up and trained to filter the spam, it's hard to live without it.
[05:22] <renato> genii... sorry? I did not geit it
[05:22] <Jucato> renato: anyway, like I said earlier, you're free to change the shortcuts to what suits you best
[05:24] <renato> Jucato.. nowdays I just want things working out of the box...... arghhhhh.... does that mean I have been assimilated into the system?
[05:24] <renato> :)
[05:24] <Jucato> you've been microsoft'ed :)
[05:24] <genii> renato At http://www.edoceo.com/liber/nuntius-setup.php there is quite a lot of information as to what entries need to be made in what files to make postfix authenticate against a postgre backend. The courier and nuntius specific stuff you can just mainly skip over
[05:24] <renato> not the curier, because I am using it in this setup
[05:27] <renato> genii can/has curier be restarted?
[05:28] <genii> renato Usually I would say to do a /etc/init.d/postfix reload but courier I dunno, never had to work with it before
[05:30] <surgy> awsome thunderbird is exactly what we wanted, thank you waylandbill
[05:31] <surgy> : is gonna go shoot some nazis
[05:31] <timster> :o
[05:32] <waylandbill> surgy: not a problem.
[05:38] <tuco> Hi ppl. Where do I need to go to edit grub to change the boot loader please?
[05:38] <clarissa> installed beryl and have direct acceleration at openGL but theres a problem and beryl wont start
[05:40] <stdin> tuco: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:40] <waylandbill> clarissa: "theres a problem and beryl wont start"  that's like the most popular statement these days or close to that
[05:41] <stdin> tuco: also, take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:41] <clarissa> detectex xserver  aiglx  checking for xcomposite extension passed (v0.3) checking for xdamage extension passed checking for randR extension passed checking for xSync extension passed checking screen 0 ...  libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x46  checking for GLX_SGIX_fbconfig  passed  checking for GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap  passed   checking for non power of two texture support failed   support for non power of two textures
[05:41] <clarissa> missing beryl: failed to manage screen: 0   :)
[05:42] <tuco> Basically I have vista and Kubuntu as a dual boot ( I know one of them suck big time but somebody else is using the pc), and I am tried to have to wait to choose which OS to use. I want to set up one by default and eventually change the order when possible.
[05:43] <clarissa> and other problem after starting beryl now i have no windows anymore cant close applications or drag them
[05:44] <stdin> tuco: you can change the timeout, the default selected OS, and you can hide the menu, so if the user doesn't press Escape, it just boots the default. It should all be explained on that help page
[05:44] <clarissa> but whats "non power of two texture support" what failed?
[05:45] <stdin> clarissa: you can ask in #beryl and #ubuntu-effects
[05:45] <clarissa> mh okay
[05:45] <waylandbill> clarissa: sounds like T&P texture mapping is too old, but better to ask them.
[05:47] <clarissa> dont know much about hardware ^^"
[05:50] <nickv111> Hey guys. Whenever I #include <math.h> in my C programs and compile them on my Kubuntu system, it says stuff like, "test.c:(.text+0x29): undefined reference to `tan'" with similar errors for functions like pow
[05:50] <dark_one> does anyone know if it is possible to run a DHCP server on vlan interface?
[05:50] <dromer> j #phpbb2
[05:54] <waylandbill> nickv111: you're missing a explicit library to link against.
[05:54] <eusoj> hi need help
[05:54] <eusoj> where is the spanish channel
[05:54] <nickv111> eusoj: #kubuntu-es, maybe?
[05:55] <nickv111> eusoj: #ubuntu-es could help too
[05:56] <Jucato> !es
[05:56] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:57] <waylandbill> nickv111: I just wrote a test case to print the output of a pow operation and it compiled fine with gcc. You may want to ask on a c programming channel maybe.
[05:57] <eusoj> how can i read ntfs partition on konqueror?
[05:58] <nickv111> waylandbill: Can you give me the test case?
[05:58] <nickv111> waylandbill: It might help.
[05:58] <liam_> hi guys can anyone tell me about getting java on kubuntu
[05:58] <nickv111> !java
[05:58] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[05:58] <stdin> !ntfs | eusoj
[05:58] <ubotu> eusoj: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:58] <liam_> thanks
[05:59] <nickv111> Welcome.
[06:00] <[R] eaper> i need help with my ati card (again)
[06:01] <tuco> Stdin? I type /boot/grub/menu.lst in Kate right?
[06:02] <tuco> but I need to be as root yes?
[06:02] <stdin> tuco: it may be easier to press Alt-F2 (to open the run dialogue) and type in: kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:03] <muuhBDX> tuco me borat let me hugh you
[06:03] <stdin> and yes, it need to be as root, that's what kdesu dose
[06:04] <tuco> Ok let me log out and see :-)
[06:06] <Heavenquake> cpk1: ping?
[06:10] <tuco> Ok it worked :-)
[06:12] <cpk1> Heavenquake: pong
[06:12] <cpk1> what good timing
[06:13] <Heavenquake> cpk1: guess what? My wireless card just ceased functioning -.-
[06:14] <cpk1> Heavenquake: after you rebooted or what?
[06:16] <yettenet> Can anyone tell me where might my KDE headers be?
[06:16] <bonbonthejon> what is a better vnc solution for kde than krfb
[06:16] <Heavenquake> cpk1: It worked fine after a reboot or two. But then it suddenly just stopped working. Every time I start wlassistant it complains about "No usable wireless devices found". according to iwconfig and ifconfig ra0 does not exist, and in lshw ra0 is UNCLAIMED
[06:16] <stamen> hi
[06:16] <bonbonthejon> hi stamen
[06:16] <Heavenquake> cpk1: good timing, now I have to go eating. Will be back shortly
[06:17] <stamen> can I compile a kernel for 386 based CPU and to load it after that
[06:17] <yettenet> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6895/ <--- I have this problem :S
[06:17] <stamen> but I will compile it now on Pentium 4 based PC
[06:17] <yettenet> If anyone could help, I'd appreciate that
[06:18] <stamen> will it run to the other machine
[06:18] <bonbonthejon> stamen: pentium 4 is x86
[06:18] <Jucato> !info kde-devel | yettenet
[06:18] <ubotu> yettenet: kde-devel: the K Desktop Environment development files and modules. In component universe, is extra. Version 5:47 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[06:18] <stamen> yes I know
[06:19] <bonbonthejon> stamen: so it should work
[06:19] <muuhBDX> hello why everthing in KDE starts weith  a K ?
[06:19] <stamen> thats why I am asking
[06:19] <stamen> ok
[06:19] <stamen> 10x
[06:19] <Jucato> !offtopic | muuhBDX
[06:19] <ubotu> muuhBDX: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:19] <bonbonthejon> muuhBDX: why not?
[06:19] <stamen> i will compile one now :)
[06:19] <muuhBDX> why not W ?
[06:19] <muuhBDX> why not Q
[06:20] <Jucato> muuhBDX: you have been told. you're 10 years late for that question
[06:20] <bonbonthejon> muuhBDX: while you are trying to be funny, you are actually somewhat correct, some stuff does start with Q, for the Qt toolkit
[06:20] <muuhBDX> i didnt have computer 19 years ago
[06:20] <muuhBDX> 10
[06:20] <bonbonthejon> Jucato: do you use vnc with kubuntu?
[06:21] <muuhBDX> im not trying to be funny i what the truth
[06:21] <Jucato> bonbonthejon: sorry, no
[06:21] <eeanm> we all what many thing
[06:21] <yettenet> Thanks, Jucato, I'm apting kde-devel
[06:21] <muuhBDX> i dont think you know
[06:22] <muuhBDX> thats why your not ansering
[06:22] <muuhBDX> this iRC is  fake
[06:22] <sampan> O.o
[06:22] <yettenet> It isn't fake
[06:22] <Jucato> muuhBDX: you've been answered in the #kde channels already
[06:22] <yettenet> It's just sleeping time for the smart guys
[06:22] <muuhBDX> I HAVE ?
[06:22] <Jucato> muuhBDX: yes you have
[06:23] <muuhBDX> NO I HAVENT
[06:23] <yettenet> Don't shout please
[06:23] <yettenet> yay
[06:23] <yettenet> Thank you, Jucato
[06:23] <yettenet> :)
[06:27] <Heavenquake> cpk1: I'm back again.
[06:27] <Heavenquake> Did I miss anything important?
[06:27] <cpk1> just me studying
[06:28] <cpk1> Heavenquake: you're the one with the same chipset as me right?
[06:28] <Heavenquake> cpk1: I am
[06:31] <tuco> Anyone knows how to get an Canon MP130 printer to work please. I don't know which driver to download and from where>
[06:32] <muuhBDX> Heavenquake is an  aka
[06:32] <cpk1> Heavenquake: lsmod | grep rt61 output anything?
[06:33] <Heavenquake> cpk1: void
[06:33] <BluesKaj> Hmm, some sites that use windows media video trailers won't play with the FF mplayer plugin...has anyone else encountered this problem
[06:33] <BluesKaj> ?
[06:34] <cpk1> Heavenquake: do modprobe rt61
[06:34] <Heavenquake> FATAL: Module rt61 not found.
[06:35] <cpk1> well thats not good
[06:35] <Heavenquake> cpk1: If it is for any help, the little green light that used to be on my card is no longer lit . It was lit even before I got it working
[06:36] <Heavenquake> or we got it working, I should say
[06:36] <saunders> how can i rip dvds ?
[06:37] <waylandbill> k9copy
[06:37] <saunders> swish thanks :D
[06:37] <Jucato> claydoh: ping
[06:37] <cpk1> Heavenquake: try find -iname rt61.ko and see if it shows up anywhere
[06:38] <jas_> I couldn't believe my luck.  I actually *needed* a decent linux distro recently and came across Ubunto, which is IMHO much, much better in every way than Fedora 6 that was recommended to me.  After coming across the unbelievable arrogance of the Gnome devs. with regards to the screensaver issue - I decided to try and switch to Kubuntu.  Most impressed.  My only issue was the nightmare of trying to get it to run at 1400x900 on my laptop (now solved).  I hope no
[06:38] <jas_> one minds me asking here, if anyone can recommend any sites that cover graphics hardware acceleration for KDE (something Gnome did seem to handle quite well by default).
[06:38] <claydoh> Jucato: pong!
[06:38] <Heavenquake> cpk1: void
[06:38] <Jucato> claydoh: is KFN down for you as well?
[06:39] <claydoh> yes, OS did do an upgrade yesterday, but it was fine last night
[06:39] <cpk1> Heavenquake: rt61 is at least still in /etc/modules right?
[06:39] <Jucato> claydoh: oh another upgrade? coolious :)
[06:39] <claydoh> hopefully
[06:39] <Jucato> :D
[06:40] <Jucato> claydoh: I really get to get my stuff organized one of these days... and maybe get in touch with OS too... I'm thinking up of plans for KFN :D
[06:40] <Heavenquake> cpk1: nope. Only some comments, and a line named "lp"
[06:41] <cpk1> well what the hell happened?
[06:41] <Jucato> claydoh: thanks for your time. thought my connection was going loco on KFN :)
[06:41] <saunders> is k9copy easy to use?
[06:41] <saunders> just installed it
[06:41] <Heavenquake> cpk1: no idea. I just came home yesterday, started my machine, and everything was fucked.
[06:41] <cpk1> looks like you are going to have to do everything over again Heavenquake since it looks like it *disappeared*
[06:42] <cpk1> and I have no clue how/why it dissapeared unless you did a kernel update then that might have done it
[06:42] <Heavenquake> umm... Is it prober to swear and curse at this point?
[06:42] <Heavenquake> No kernel update
[06:43] <Heavenquake> I also checked the card. It is solidly planted in the socket. Nothing seems to be wrong there.
[06:43] <cpk1> well dunno about you but I paid $10 for my card so I guess this is what we get =\
[06:43] <cpk1> Heavenquake: do you still have the tar from the other day?
[06:43] <surgy> hey guys
[06:44] <cpk1> jas_: you mean like drivers for ati/nvidia?
[06:44] <surgy> how does dual monitor support work in linux? can i display two seperate desktops one on each monitor? or can i stretch my desktop? or is it only copying the desktop, i dont have a second monitor yet im just wandering if i want too buy a second one.
[06:45] <cpk1> Heavenquake: also I found a walkthrough in the community docs for this that is a little bit different than the ralink readme
[06:46] <Heavenquake> cpk1: I think I paid less for mine. I still have the driver tarball
[06:46] <cpk1> Heavenquake: alright give the community doc a try since it's a little bit different from what we did last time https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT61?highlight=%28WifiDocs%2FDriver%29
[06:46] <jas_> cpk1, installed the ati drivers for my x600 mobility - worked a treat - that's what got me the 1400x900 - I'm a bit of a newbie I'm afraid reg. (just) linux - but 3d graphics performance seems dismal. did a command from another website which told me 3d acceleration was turned off.  All I need is a point in the correct *general* direction if that's OK.
[06:47] <claydoh> Jucato: it my be he is updating/installing, at least now I get an error message different from "service unavailable"
[06:47] <Heavenquake> cpk1: thanks, I'll take a look at it
[06:47] <cpk1> jas_: glxinfo |grep direct says what?
[06:48] <Jucato> claydoh: oooh it's back up for me now :)
[06:48] <weatherman> hi, I have download some ktorrent files then I've moved them around and now I'm not seeding them anymore, how do I seed them again?
[06:48] <claydoh> Jucato: ditto here :)
[06:48] <jas_> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:48] <jas_> direct rendering: No
[06:48] <jas_> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[06:49] <cpk1> weatherman: use the "import from another torrent client" or somesuch option
[06:49] <Jucato> weatherman: File -> Import existing download (you need to have the partfileimport plugin enabled)
[06:49] <cpk1> jas_: did you install the drivers using APT?
[06:50] <BluesKaj> jas , check this out for DIR on fglrx binary drivers : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-d8c6fd05bce340dfc3ad483abf0e18997868540b
[06:50] <weatherman> Jucato: I don't have the original torrent file anymore, is it possible without it?
[06:51] <surgy> how does dual monitor support work in linux? can i display two seperate desktops one on each monitor? or can i stretch my desktop? or is it only copying the desktop, i dont have a second monitor yet im just wandering if i want too buy a second one.
[06:51] <Jucato> weatherman: oh. you need the .torrent file...
[06:52] <dolanor> surgy: yes you can
[06:52] <dolanor> You must use xinerama I think
[06:52] <fdoving> surgy: you can do whatever you want. clone, extend up/down or left/right. it's very configurable.. atleast with the open ati drivers. (old ones).
[06:52] <jas_> no - used the driver install straight off the ATI site - as I said still learning I'm afraid.  Reason for going to linux now after so many years at MS enterprise level is I completely disagree with the UK pricing on Vista - and the crippling restictions on XP for my new security work.
[06:52] <surgy> dolanor: i can..... do what all of that?
[06:53] <dolanor> and modify your xorg.conf, but I don't know exactly how
[06:53] <surgy> fdoving: im nvidia always will be for linux
[06:53] <BluesKaj> jas_, did you see the URL I posted ?
[06:53] <dolanor> surgy: I got a friend who had a 6600 Gt and he could do all of that
[06:54] <surgy> jas: you can install ati out of the repositorys
[06:54] <surgy> dolanor: im getting one of those in a week
[06:54] <jas_> no - apologies - will check it out.  many thanks.
[06:55] <dolanor> surgy: I'll ask him now, in case I've missed something
[06:55] <fdoving> surgy: with nvidia the keyword is twinview.
[06:56] <jas_> little more than a 2 second read :) - many thanks to all respondees so far.
[06:56] <surgy> fdoving: ill look that up, i heard nvidia is far superior to ati when it comes to multiple displays..... ati makes that up with better tvcards
[06:57] <CapaH> How can I maximize my window quickly with a mouse?
[06:57] <CapaH> in windows you double click the titlebar
[06:57] <surgy> capaH: click on the square maximise button
[06:57] <surgy> capaH: its next to the close button
[06:57] <CapaH> lol
[06:58] <Jucato> CapaH: you can also set that. System Settings -> Window Behavior -> Titlebar Action
[06:58] <CapaH> ahhh
[06:58] <CapaH> thats what I wanted
[06:58] <waylandbill> surgy: I have both ati and nvidia. nvidia works good dual head. I've never tried it with ati as it's on a laptop.
[06:58] <dolanor> surgy: valdated by my friend
[06:58] <dolanor> bye
[06:59] <CapaH> Jucato_: I do not see that option... System Tools | Administration ... ?
[07:01] <Jucato_> CapaH: System Settings -> Window Behavior
[07:01] <CapaH> Jucato_: Tried that it gives me a message that Beryl doesn't have that option or such...
[07:02] <genii> surgy I have an ati 7500 AIW pci and an ati 8500dv AIW agp in the same box and use both with dapper no probs. I haven't gone to edgy or feisty yet with this box tho since things work great as is
[07:02] <Jucato_> oh? you left out that bit of info
[07:02] <Jucato_> Beryl has its own settings and ways of doing things
[07:02] <Jucato_> CapaH: I suggest you ask in #beryl or #ubuntu-effects
[07:03] <CapaH> doing
[07:05] <Ash-Fox> A very useful script for generating entropy if anyone's interested -- http://sphinx.quickfox.org/~ash-fox/temp/entropy-generator.bash
[07:05] <ahmetsar> trk var m
[07:11] <Jochus> hello, does somebody know the difference between edgy and dapper?
[07:11] <Tido> about 6 months
[07:11] <waylandbill> about 0.09
[07:11] <Tido> of progress in linux
[07:12] <Jochus> hmm
[07:12] <Jochus> why don't they make 1 version?
[07:12] <waylandbill> Tido is correct. Each version is released in 6 month increments.
[07:12] <Tido> edgy has newer stuff
[07:12] <Jochus> ahhh
[07:12] <Tido> dapper is considered a 'Long Term Support' version
[07:12] <cpk1> why doesnt windows make one version?
[07:12] <Tido> and will be 'supported' for a longer period
[07:13] <Tido> than edgy will be
[07:13] <Jochus> ok :)
[07:13] <waylandbill> cpk1: $$$ :-)
[07:13] <Jochus> thnx
[07:13] <Jochus> that's clear :-)
[07:13] <Tido> but if you're a normal desktop user
[07:13] <Tido> you'll probably want edgy
[07:13] <Tido> and when the next version comes out, you'll probably want to upgrade to that as well
[07:13] <cpk1> waylandbill: well that too, but same idea here as well with newer technology and stuff
[07:13] <waylandbill> right
[07:14] <sparrw> i want to "join" my ubuntu box to an opendirectory for the purpose of login and password.  it would be nice if any OD user could log into my box and get a fresh account, or a copy of their domain account, or use their domain account directly.  tips?
[07:15] <Tido> meh, I know you can do it sparrw, I just can't remember where I read about it
[07:19] <eusoj> i've just instaled kubuntu, how can i play multimedia files?
[07:19] <HymnToLife> ubotu, tell eusoj about codecs | eusoj, see the private message from ubotu.
[07:20] <Dr_willis> eusoj,  depends on the file. :) and what codec its using.
[07:20] <Dr_willis> I like vlc, and mplayer for playing most files
[07:24] <cpk1> i just use kaffeine
[07:24] <cpk1> but it fails sometimes and i have to use vlc
[07:25] <jas_> Just wanted to say a HUGE thanks to cpk1 - but especially BluesKaj for the link !!! - MANY THANKS - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-d8c6fd05bce340dfc3ad483abf0e18997868540b
[07:26] <jas_> Very true ! - TI are well known not to be able to provide correct drivers for their hardware so you will have to deactivate the composite extension in /etc/X11/xorg.conf , otherwise you will get a jerky video display: gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add the following lines at the end of the file:
[07:27] <harmental> hi everybody....i have a couple of programs active all the time (Konversation, Konsole...)...one thing that bother me though is the buttons in the taskbar ...is there any way to disable these buttons while maitnaing the programs loaded?
[07:27] <jas_> TI should be ATI
[07:28] <Dr_willis> buttons in the taskbar?
[07:28] <Dr_willis> you can just remove the panel/applet if ya want
[07:29] <harmental> Dr_willis: yeah...you know......where you click to acccess the program
[07:29] <Dr_willis> harmental,  you mean the "taskbar" where all running programs are shown...
[07:29] <harmental> Dr_willis:
[07:29] <harmental> exactly
[07:29] <Dr_willis> its doing its job. :) its a panel applet. add/remove/confifure it how you like.
[07:30] <Dr_willis> it has dozens of options..  to tweak with.. or just remove it. right click on the littl ehandle to get to the config menu
[07:31] <Jucato> or right-click on the panel -> Remove from Panel -> Applet -> Taskbar
[07:31] <soa2ii> hi!
[07:31] <soa2ii> is there anyone who can explain how i can set up an minimal desktop system?
[07:32] <soa2ii> is there any difference between desktop
[07:32] <soa2ii> and server without "server-packages"?
[07:32] <bonbonthejon> soa2ii: use the server cd and then add what you wnat
[07:32] <Dr_willis> minimal desktop.. would be a basic system + X + some minimal window manager. :)
[07:32] <soa2ii> i thought so bonbonthejon
[07:33] <Dr_willis> i recall some  fluxbox-ubuntu or other minimal projects in the works.
[07:33] <bonbonthejon> soa2ii: of course theres xubuntu
[07:33] <soa2ii> no... i wanted to install KDE
[07:33] <soa2ii> but without all these packages
[07:33] <soa2ii> like adept
[07:33] <soa2ii> and so on
[07:34] <Dr_willis> there was some kde-lite project  i recall also.
[07:34] <Jucato> soa2ii: http://jucato.org/kde/kde-core.html or http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde-core
[07:34] <surgy> dr_willis: mind helping me with a simple coding problem?
[07:34] <Dr_willis> i know very little real coding..
[07:34] <Jucato> soa2ii: note that Adept is pretty much a Kubuntu thing for now... it's a KDE app, but only Kubuntu uses it by default
[07:34] <bonbonthejon> Jucato: I was thinking of those websites but didnt have links
[07:34] <Dr_willis> im lucky to do helloworld in perl without grabbing my books.
[07:35] <bonbonthejon> surgy: whats your question
[07:35] <soa2ii> i don't just mean adept
[07:35] <soa2ii> all these things like
[07:35] <surgy> in python im getting error: x is referenced before asignment
[07:35] <soa2ii> KMag
[07:35] <soa2ii> KMouseTool
[07:35] <soa2ii> and so on
[07:35] <harmental> Dr_willis: i dont want to close the taskbar....just hide some of the running apps
[07:35] <Dr_willis> harmental,  it has features to show only the minimized apps..
[07:36] <Dr_willis> then theres a few tools that can hide things from the taskbar (and alt-tab) completly
[07:36] <Dr_willis> also can only show current desktop apps..
[07:36] <Jucato> soa2ii: then see those links above. you get to pick and choose
[07:36] <surgy> bonbonthejon: UnboundLocalError: local variable 'x' referenced before assignment
[07:36] <soa2ii> i'll see jucato
[07:36] <bonbonthejon> surgy: what language is this
[07:36] <surgy> python
[07:37] <harmental> Dr_willis: "show only minized apps" did the work...thx!
[07:37] <bonbonthejon> surgy: I don't know python, but did you initialize the variable
[07:37] <surgy> mind if i pm you so im not "off topic"
[07:37] <bonbonthejon> surgy: yeah
[07:37] <Dr_willis> harmental,  amazing what the kde guys think of :)
[07:39] <tuco> Good evening all. I need help with my Canon printer Mp130. Need to find the driver for it and how to install it. Any help mmore than welcome as I have been stuck with that problem for a little while now.
[07:40] <bonbonthejon> tuco: did you run the printer wizrd
[07:40] <cpk1> tuco: have you tried running the kde print wizard?
[07:40] <cpk1> the print wizard was awesome and made my printer automagically work
[07:41] <Dr_willis> i was baffled and confused by some parts of the kde print wizard
[07:41] <Dr_willis> it wanted to scan the 127.0.0.* network for my network printers.. that made no sence to me.
[07:41] <tuco> OK running it. Not sure about MP130 in there as it is not listed. Maybe it uses a different name?
[07:42] <piro_> when i used it, it printed out like a 10 % region of the page all zoomed in so everything that was in 10fotn was like in 30-40 font, still haven't fixed it
[07:43] <tuco> Not sure which driver to pick really :-(
[07:43] <tuco> Is the MP130 associated with another printer. Another driver which I can use?
[07:47] <angasule> !feisty
[07:47] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[07:48] <zoOmBiOZ> CHK the new version of C99 SHELL with SAFE MODE bypass WORK test there +++>>>   !!!PRIVATE!!!   http://www.fencing.net/images/enc.txt?   !!!PRIVATE!!! <<<+++  WE STOLED IT FROM PRIVATE CREW AND MAKE IT NOW PUBLIC FUCK PRIVATE    [07:48] <Dr_willis> wow multi-channel bot floods
[07:49] <Dr_willis> that no one even knows WTF they are talking about
[07:50] <tuco> Ok I found this, can somebody help me here. I don't know how to add a line. http://mambo.kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takushi/#canon
[07:51] <Adydas> To add aline you want to edit the file, you can do this by using the command 'kdesu kate /pathtofile/filename.conf
[07:51] <Adydas> '
[07:51] <surgy> hello adydas
[07:52] <bonbonthejon> Adydas: that is adding a repository
[07:52] <bonbonthejon> !repository
[07:52] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:52] <Adydas> whats doing what now?
[07:52] <Adydas> hey surgy
[07:53] <bonbonthejon> Adydas: sorry, wrong person
[07:53] <bonbonthejon> tuco: ^^^^
[07:53] <tuco> I don't need to add a repository :-) Just need to add the line so I can get the Canon drivers
[07:53] <Adydas> ah
[07:53] <Riddell> nalioth: do you know why I might be getting "Channel not fully synchronized yet, try again after a while" when I try to kick someone here?
[07:53] <tuco> this one: deb http://mambo.kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takushi/ubuntu ./
[07:54] <fdoving> Riddell: try a rejoin.
[07:54] <bonbonthejon> tuco: that is a repo that goes in sources.list
[07:54] <tuco> Ah
[07:54] <Riddell> fdoving: done that
[07:54] <bonbonthejon> tuco: you will then apt-get a package
[07:54] <tuco> But I need to add the line first?
[07:54] <tobi> how to list all wlan/eth cards i have?
[07:55] <bonbonthejon> tuco: yes
[07:55] <Adydas> tobi 'less /etc/network/interfaces'
[07:55] <tuco> So how do I have to do things here please?
[07:55] <bonbonthejon> tuco: do "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list" and paste that line at the end
[07:55] <tobi> Adydas: thank you
[07:56] <tuco> so I run a command right?
[07:57] <bonbonthejon> tuco: yes, open konsole and run that command
[07:57] <bonbonthejon> tuco: it will ask foir the pasword, then open kate, paste in the "deb ..." line at the end and save it
[07:58] <tuco> ok done
[07:58] <Adydas> now run
[07:58] <bonbonthejon> tuco:  now run "sudo apt-get update) to get a listing
[07:58] <Adydas> sudo apt-get update
[07:59] <bonbonthejon> tuco: then do the next part on that website, "sudo apt-get install ..."
[08:00] <fdoving> Riddell: in the old days desyncs is when one server thinks the state of a channel (ops etc) is something else, than another. so changing servers might work if rejoining doesn't.
[08:00] <tuco> actually that is apt-get install libcnbj-2.5 bjfilter-2.5 pstocanonbj ;-)
[08:01] <bonbonthejon> tuco: ok, make sure a sudo is in front
[08:02] <bonbonthejon> tuco: that should install the packages
[08:02] <Riddell> fdoving: I've got 200 windows open!  I don't want to change servers!
[08:03] <tuco> packaged installed. Browsing to see what I can find now
[08:05] <bonbonthejon> tuco: did it work?
[08:06] <tuco> All I can find is IP4000
[08:06] <tuco> doing a printing test...doesn't seem to work damn it!
[08:10] <tuco> Not sure if this is the right driver anyway
[08:10] <fdoving> Riddell: then rejoin is the best option i have for you. the desync often has to do with ops (usermodes in channels) so both "sides" of the desync get back to the same state the sync will vanish.
[08:10] <Shaezsche> is it possible to downgrade to xorg 6.9? since 7.0 i get about half the performance with my intel 915gm
[08:12] <tuco> Ok it looks like the package is installed properly. But where is the driver...driver...oooooh driverrrr!
[08:13] <cpk1> tuco: go here in your browser http://127.0.0.1:631/
[08:14] <tuco> in there now Cpk1
[08:15] <tuco> Wow all is brown! That brown hurt the eyes dude!
[08:16] <tuco> It shows Printing on the printer screen but does nothing :-(
[08:19] <tuco> nope not printing. Looks like the printer is frozen.
[08:26] <tobi> paul__: HEY!
[08:30] <yettenet> Is there a way to install windows fonts?
[08:35] <odranoel> ciao
[08:35] <maruchan> ciao
[08:35] <odranoel> ke chat  questa?
[08:36] <renato__> ciao a tutti
[08:36] <maruchan> watashi wa maruchan
[08:36] <odranoel> raga ki usa linux d voi?
[08:36] <renato__> io
[08:36] <maruchan> its working perfekt
[08:36] <odranoel> kubuntu?
[08:36] <renato__> ies
[08:37] <maruchan> ubuntu
[08:37] <odranoel> mi spieghi una cosa?
[08:37] <renato__> cosa
[08:37] <Jucato> !it | odranoel
[08:37] <ubotu> odranoel: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[08:37] <maruchan> wakarimasen
[08:37] <patufet> konnichiwa maruchan
[08:37] <odranoel> ho scaricato skipe
[08:37] <maruchan> konnitsiwa
[08:37] <odranoel> ma come llo installo
[08:38] <Jucato> english only please. thanks
[08:38] <caris_mere> my external hard-drive says I don't have permission to use it, though it worked yesterday
[08:38] <maruchan> sorry
[08:39] <caris_mere> Where do I change permission for using my external harddrive?
[08:41] <Adydas> how did you mount it?
[08:43] <caris_mere> Adydas: it is usb, and it is plugged in on load up
[08:44] <Adydas> ill stop there, mines a network exthdd
[08:46] <hyper_ch> hiho, anyone knows why - when I sync my palm lifedrive with kpilot to kontact - that the dates of birth and the pictures stored in the contacts aren't correctly transferred?
[08:47] <caris_mere> Can somebody help me to change the permissions on my external usb harddrive, so that I can use it?
[08:48] <Blacken> Hey, I'm installing vmware-player and apparently the network configuration decided to kill itself. It returns an error code of 1 and I can't uninstall it via apt-get. How do I get rid of the bloody thing?
[08:49] <vas> caris_mere: What linux flavor?
[08:49] <caris_mere> edgy
[08:49] <caris_mere> vas: edgy
[08:49] <Blacken> I can't remember how to force removal of a broken package. :/
[08:49] <vas> caris_mere: I'm a newb myself but when I was having problems with permissions on folders I just used Sudo.. I am running Kubuntu though
[08:50] <vas> caris_mere: I really don't know what I am talking about though but that helpd me work with the permissions on some of my folders so I thought i'd mention it
[08:50] <caris_mere> vas: I am using Kubuntu, 6.10 Edgy Eft
[08:51] <vas> caris_mere: try just right clicking it and looking at the permissions?
[08:51] <caris_mere> vas: thanks, seems it somehow changed permission to my wife
[08:52] <vas> caris_mere: np, switched from win to Kubuntu bout 2 days ago so I'm happy I could help
[08:53] <caris_mere> vas: any idea about how to change the permissions so that i can use it?
[08:55] <vas> caris_mere: Does it allow you to do it in the permissions tab or is it blanked out
[08:55] <caris_mere> vas: it's blanked because it says only the owner (now my wife) can do that
[08:55] <mike__> You need to be #
[08:56] <vas> caris_mere: Right click in teh folder containing the thumb and open a shell there, CHMOD --help to see what you might want to do
[08:56] <genii> do something like: sudo chown myname:mygroup thefilename                  from konsole
[08:56] <vas> mike_ / anyone else correct me if I'm wrong.. but to gain Rooter permissions to cancel out another admin on the comp you could just Sudo right?
[08:57] <vas> IE: if him and his wife are both admins.. a sudo could override this permission problem and change her permission on the thumb right?
[08:58] <caris_mere> genii: unfortunately, I need a little more clarification
[08:59] <genii> caris_mere: OK, what is the file name and in what directory is it?
[08:59] <vas> caris_mere: chown is a command to change your permissions (I Beleive) and putting sudo infront of it will allow you to change her permissions
[08:59] <caris_mere> genii: it is my external drive
[08:59] <genii> yes, vas has the correct idea.
[08:59] <Pensa`MIA> where does kubuntu keep it's screensavers?
[09:00] <Shak1> Hi guys, is there a way to tell Kontact to automatically save attached business cards to my contacts? Thank you in advance.
[09:00] <caris_mere> genii: I guess it would be /media/MYBOOK
[09:00] <genii> caris_mere: This does not answer the question I asked LOL  ... you need to know something like what /the/place/it/is/and/filename.ext
[09:00] <vas> sudo chown USERNAME:GROUP /media/MYBOOK
[09:01] <genii> like : /home/me/yadda.txt
[09:01] <vas> to change a folderpermission you will need an option after chown I think
[09:01] <crystufer2000> anyone know a good qemu manager so I don't have to figure out the commands to run my virtual machine?
[09:01] <caris_mere> genii: I am trying to gain access to my external harddrive, not a file
[09:01] <vas> genii: it is his USB drive
[09:02] <odranoel> raga c' un italiano qui?
[09:02] <vas> genii caris_mere it would be /media/DRIVENAME then
[09:02] <caris_mere> vas: I tried your chown solution, but I still cannot gain access
[09:03] <vas> caris_mere: sudeo infront of it
[09:03] <vas> caris_mere: sudo***
[09:03] <caris_mere> vas: I am root at the moment
[09:03] <vas> caris_mere: what is it saying
[09:03] <vas> caris_mere: what is the exact command you are trying
[09:04] <caris_mere> vas: chown scott:scott /media/MYBOOK
[09:04] <vas> caris_mere: sudo chown scott:scott /media/MYBOOK
[09:04] <genii> caris_mere In that case don't bother with the chown command and so on. What file browser are you using?if for instance Konqueror, then instead, open a konsole and put in: sudo konqueror    then you will be able to navigate there and change whatever permissions you like from file browser for instance off the tab
[09:04] <vas> caris_mere: sudo can sometimes help in random place I have noticed
[09:04] <vas> genii caris_mere CHMOD
[09:05] <caris_mere> genii: I was trying with Konsole
[09:05] <vas> caris_mere: genii has a very good point
[09:05] <vas> caris_mere: the grayed out permissions field in the properties of the drive should be editable in sudo konquerer
[09:05] <genii> caris_mere: Then do as I just suggested..eg: sudo konqueror   (typed inside the konsole) It will bring up the file browser in root mode
[09:06] <genii> vas exactly so
[09:07] <vas> genii caris_mere if that dosen't work I know a useful command called .. SETTLE_IN_DIVORCE_COURT
[09:07] <mjrclark> should use kdesu not sudo for root graphical apps
[09:07] <genii> LOL
[09:07] <caris_mere> vas: very funny
[09:07] <vas> beats sudo and su anyday
[09:07] <genii> mjrclark Ah, yes, my bad
[09:08] <caris_mere> vas: do I need to restart or something before the effects take place?
[09:09] <genii> caris_mere: what mjrclark said. so instead of sudo konqueror   put kdesu konqueror    and you will be running it with full ownership of all files and so on
[09:09] <vas> caris_mere: I would try that as a last eresort, genii and mjrclark bring up a good point
[09:10] <vas> caris_mere but ya if nothing is working than a reboot might do some good
[09:10] <caris_mere> genii: it's getting worse by the minute, when I did the kdesu... I got lots of errors about not connecting to X Server and other htings
[09:10] <mjrclark> caris_mere- that is normal, it should still work.
[09:11] <genii> caris_mere: Hangon, you are not in the KDE desktop but rather did a login to the console from the login screen instead?
[09:12] <genii> mjrclark: Well it shouldn't groan of no X server if he has some window manager running (I strongly think)
[09:12] <caris_mere> genii: I am able to access my drive this way, but when I close Konqueror, I am unable again
[09:12] <dettoaltrimenti_> where is thedefault directory that wget downloads to?
[09:13] <mjrclark> genii: it alsways happen whwenver I use kdesu, and works fine.
[09:13] <caris_mere> genii: I changed the permissions to read and write for all, but afterwards, it doesn't work
[09:14] <genii> caris_mere: The idea here would be to change the permissions of that directory to belong to the name you usually login as after you open konqueror in this way. Then any time after you can just use the regular konqueror
[09:15] <_martin> Hallo
[09:15] <_martin> hab eine Frage:
[09:15] <genii> Another issue may be that since the mount point of the drive is someplace like /media/MYSTUFF then to up a directory past your normal home directory of /home/myname is not usual for konqueror when run with normal permissions
[09:15] <caris_mere> Waas fr eine Frage?
[09:16] <_martin> Ich habe 2 Monitore und mchte den einen nur auf dem Virtuelle Desktop 4 haben
[09:16] <Apallo_> !ubotu power management
[09:16] <HymnToLife> !de | _martin
[09:16] <ubotu> _martin: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:17] <Apallo_> is there a way to shut off power management, or at least change the speed stepping stuff?
[09:17] <_martin> danke
[09:17] <Apallo_> my 1.6ghz laptop is stuck at 600mhz, and turning off ACPI in the bios doesn't work
[09:17] <caris_mere> genii: I change the owner and group, but they never stay changed
[09:17] <caris_mere> genii: I'm rebooting
[09:19] <Apallo_> is there a file i can edit somewhere so i can change the processor throttling?
[09:21] <genii> Apallo_ Yes somewhere in /etc/defaults   there is a file like powerd or perhaps acpid or like that. These may not be the exact names but something descriptive of power management at any rate. Open it with a text editor and look for the power modules it loads. By default it is all modules but you can for instance change that to any combination of the options it shows as examples, or even none...
[09:21] <genii> ...if you prefer
[09:21] <Apallo_> thanks
[09:21] <genii> Apallo_ the dir may be default with no "s" I forget
[09:21] <dettoaltrimenti_> what is wget's default directory?
[09:22] <Blissex> dettoaltrimenti_: current dir.
[09:22] <genii> dettoaltrimenti_: In which it's configurations are kept or where it downloads to?
[09:22] <caris_mere> genii: must have just been some freak accident, because now it works fine
[09:23] <caris_mere> genii vas thanks for the help
[09:23] <genii> caris_mere: Well, good to hear then that it seems resolved, however a puzzle :)
[09:24] <Apallo_> not finding it, there's a directory called acpi, but it's filled with shell scripts, no configuration files
[09:24] <mjrclark> it is /etc/default/acpid
[09:24] <mjrclark> and it is a file
[09:25] <Apallo_> the directory /etc/default doesn't exist
[09:25] <mjrclark> def does in fiesty.
[09:25] <mjrclark> and in edgy
[09:26] <genii> yup
[09:26] <Apallo_> ok found it, thanks
[09:27] <Apallo_> is there a software package that i can use to modify my acpi settings?
[09:28] <genii> I believe the system settings has something for it tho since I always have acpi shut off I don't specifically know where in there
[09:28] <Adydas> Apallo_:  i suggest sudoapt-cache search acpi
[09:28] <Adydas> it lists a few programs you can use
[09:28] <Adydas> for eg, cpufreqd - fully configurable daemon for dynamic frequency and voltage scaling
[09:29] <Apallo_> thank you Adydas
[09:29] <Apallo_> :)
[09:29] <happytiger> Any ideas pm hoe to convert a cd image to dvd imgae?
[09:29] <happytiger> ups :-)
[09:29] <happytiger> Any ideas how to change a cd iso image to a dvd iso image?
[09:30] <genii> Apallo_ btw I have heard for some dual-core cpus there is another boot opetion as well to pass so the one cpu does not race... I think it is notls  but could be mistaken. some ppl have had to use it anyhow, especially for some reason on Duo-Core intel
[09:30] <HymnToLife> an ISO image is an ISO image
[09:30] <genii> Core-Duo rather
[09:30] <HymnToLife> what you burn it to doesn't matter
[09:30] <genii> <- dyslexic occasionally
[09:30] <Apallo_> not a problem on this one
[09:31] <happytiger> I want o burn cd iso image aka feisty cd image to dvd
[09:31] <happytiger> as I dont have any empyty cd only empty dvd
[09:31] <Adydas> happytiger: go to the shops and buy a blank cd :P
[09:31] <genii> not possible tiger
[09:32] <happytiger> really no tool to make to dvd image?
[09:32] <genii> If you burn a cd iso to a dvd you just get a shiny new coaster
[09:32] <happytiger> damn
[09:32] <Adydas> *if* been the oprative word
[09:32] <happytiger> Yeah so i wnated a little tool to change the format of my cd to dvd
[09:32] <happytiger> and the buuuurn
[09:33] <alexicon> !wireless
[09:33] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:33] <HymnToLife> burning ISOs is so cheap
[09:33] <Adydas> i highly reccomend just buying some cd and dvd rws for such requirments
[09:33] <happytiger> :-) hehe shops closed for the night
[09:34] <Adydas> you can backup your rw media as an iso, blank the disck use it and then re blank it after and copy the other iso back
[09:34] <Adydas> happytiger: gas station
[09:34] <Adydas> night time, Honestly.. its 9 am here..
[09:34] <Adydas> 24*7 Super market
[09:34] <happytiger> :-) I have like 3 cd rw here but the to damn fucjked up by now
[09:34] <genii> 3:30 pm here :)
[09:34] <Assid> heya
[09:34] <genii> !language
[09:34] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:34] <happytiger> And the 4th cd rw that worked i happened to lent out today ... gree
[09:35] <Assid> hi
[09:35] <happytiger> Ups sorry bout language
[09:35] <Assid> i am having some major issues with 6.10
[09:35] <Assid> i just cant get it to install
[09:35] <happytiger> 7.04 to the resque
[09:35] <genii> Assid How far along does it manage?
[09:35] <Assid> partitions
[09:36] <happytiger> if you have a clean cd that is
[09:36] <Assid> i thought its my drive.. so i finally checked it yday. no issues what so ever
[09:36] <genii> Assid And then what happens?
[09:36] <Assid> just hangs u
[09:36] <Assid> up
[09:36] <Adydas> Assid: what issues, and 6.10 Ubuntu or kubuntu?
[09:37] <genii> Assid Are you trying to make a jfs or xfs partition?
[09:37] <Assid> kubuntu edgy
[09:37] <Assid> ext3
[09:37] <Adydas> i had weird problems with ubuntu and swapped for kubuntu this was before i found kubunud was KDE and unubutu was Gnome so i was happy ubuntu didnt work thus forcing me to KDE
[09:38] <mrkde> Does anyone know how to install and use vmware?
[09:39] <genii> Assid If the drive is extremely huge it could take quite a while to format (eg: >250Gb)
[09:39] <Assid> 40GB drive
[09:39] <Assid> i had 6.06 on the same drive
[09:39] <Assid> i wanted to do a fresh install.. so i let it "reformat"
[09:40] <Assid> but it dont work
[09:40] <Assid> it gets hung.. always at the same place 90 something percent of the format or something
[09:40] <Assid> oem mode died too.. i dont remember where tho
[09:41] <genii> Assid Ah, OK..possibly there are bad areas which it is getting bogged on. What is the longest time you let it try to finish?
[09:41] <Assid> around 10 - 15 mins maybe
[09:41] <Assid> no bad areas
[09:41] <Assid> thats the thing
[09:41] <Assid> i checked with even spinrite
[09:42] <happytiger> Is the feisty dvd image at  http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/kubuntu/dvd/current/ herd 4?
[09:43] <genii> Assid Did you swap ribbon positions or jumpers or anything hardware-wise?
[09:43] <Assid> nothing.. it worked fine in 6.06
[09:43] <Assid> i just wanted to do a fresh reload for 6.10 since i didnt have / care for the data
[09:45] <genii> Assid Well, I would suggest then to do the manual selection for partitioning... make some sane layout which seems good this way and then see if it will format them then
[09:45] <Assid> i tried manual too
[09:45] <Assid> first thing i tried was that
[09:46] <genii> Assid Are you on livecd right now on that same box?
[09:46] <Assid> err.. next to me.. i got a kvm switch
[09:48] <genii> Assid Ok. So in a console run fdisk /dev/hda   (or whatever hd it is) then you can manuallydelete all the partitions there, create new ones, then exit with "w" to write it to mbr. then you can manually format with mke2fs /dev/hda#   or so like that
[09:49] <Assid> how do i get to the console from the live cd?
[09:49] <Assid> that box got nothing on it now
[09:50] <genii> Well just boot up to the cdrom desktop. But instead of running the desktop install, run konsole from the menus
[09:51] <Assid> oh
[09:51] <Assid> hrmm
[09:51] <Assid> yeah
[09:51] <Assid> okie hold up..
[09:51] <Assid> need to find my cd case
[09:51] <genii> np
[09:52] <Assid> err.. gimme a fe mins.. something i fgotta take care
[09:52] <genii> I'll take a cig/coffee break then
[09:52] <Jucato> !away > cc-dash
[09:52] <Assid> btw
[09:52] <Assid> my partiitons are already in place
[09:53] <genii> Assid so you could just run the mke2fs   command on the ones for data then
[09:53] <genii> The konsole should give at least some informative error if it doesn't work
[09:55] <genii> It's better to format for ext2 then convert to ext3 after with tunefs
[09:56] <soulrider> !dvd
[09:56] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[09:57] <Assid> shouldntg mke2fs -j do that?
[09:58] <genii> Assid Sometimes it chokes for unknown reasons
[09:58] <Assid> that could be the reason
[09:58] <Assid> should i try ext2 then from graphic?
[09:58] <genii> cylinder boundaries or other weird stuff that makes no sense
[09:58] <Mez> damned coloured nicks
[09:59] <genii> Assid Sure, try ext2 then you can always convert it afterwards if the rest of the system installs fine
[09:59] <Assid> ext2 got issues for largefile?
[09:59] <timster> !dvd
[10:00] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[10:00] <genii> I think 16Gb but forget exactly
[10:00] <timster> Erm, libdvdcss2 isnt in my depositories.
[10:00] <timster> !mp3
[10:00] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:01] <Assid> tune2fs can add largefile support right?
[10:01] <genii> timster Hence why ubotu tells you it can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[10:02] <genii> Assid Yes, once you do the   tunefs -j   command on it, it will be ext3. Tho you need to alter the fstab to say ext3 of course and so on
[10:03] <timster> lol
[10:06] <timster> genii: The libdvdcss2 is still not showing up
[10:07] <timster> DVD player suggestions?
[10:08] <bbeck> does anyone know how to add a user to an additional group from the command line?
[10:08] <genii> timster What dist you have? Edgy Dapper Feisty   etc
[10:08] <timster> 6.06 I belive
[10:08] <genii> timster OK so Dapper
[10:08] <timster> Yes
[10:09] <makuseru> how do i change the efualt program for a type of file?
[10:09] <eXistenZ> Why open file/directory in firefox doesn't work with kubuntu?
[10:09] <mjrclark> !Synaptic > Kiro
[10:10] <genii> timster from konsole do then: sudo echo "deb http://seveas.imbrandon.com/ dapper-seveas list_of_sections" >> /etc/apt/sources.list    then do  sudo apt-get update    then you should be able to install that file by the regular way
[10:11] <timster> Ok
[10:11] <timster> hang on
[10:11] <timster> Permision denied
[10:11] <timster> ?
[10:11] <timster> I ran it with sudo
[10:12] <genii> Perhaps you have some package installing or apt-get running etc etc
[10:12] <timster> Nope :/
[10:12] <intelikey> http://pastebin.ca/raw/366696 <<< who can tell me why syslog might be failing ?
[10:13] <makuseru> how do i change the efualt program for a type of file?
[10:14] <makuseru> default*
[10:14] <intelikey> ah nm i think it's trying to start a second time....
[10:15] <genii> timster Well, then do kdesu kate      and then open that file up in the editor, then add that line eg: deb deb http://seveas.imbrandon.com/ dapper-seveas list_of_sections
[10:15] <payam> hi
[10:15] <genii> timster Then save it, then run the update etc etc
[10:15] <writerz_> SaLuT A tOuS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:15] <payam> Does anyone know how i can install a theme for my KDE?
[10:15] <genii> only 1 deb in that line by the way
[10:16] <payam> can anyone help me?
[10:16] <writerz_> bon personne d'interessant j'me casse
[10:16] <genii> !themes
[10:16] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[10:16] <payam> haloooo
[10:16] <payam> anybody ?
[10:17] <genii> writerz_ en anglais svp
[10:17] <payam> can anybody help me?
[10:17] <Adydas> what theme is it?
[10:17] <genii> !themes | payam
[10:17] <ubotu> payam: Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[10:18] <payam> why Gnome?
[10:18] <payam> KDE
[10:18] <Adydas> read more than the first 2 words, it also highlights kde-look.org
[10:19] <genii> payam Please note the link: http://www.kde-look.org/
[10:19] <mauriciokubuntu> hi
[10:19] <payam> i did
[10:19] <payam> i have download a nice theme
[10:19] <payam> but i cant install it
[10:19] <Adydas> !changethemes
[10:19] <timster> !mono
[10:19] <mauriciokubuntu> this is my fisrt time using IRC
[10:19] <ubotu> [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[10:19] <ubotu> mono: Mono CLI (.NET) runtime. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.17.1-1ubuntu7.1 (edgy), package size 1 kB, installed size 24 kB
[10:19] <Adydas> Use than then
[10:20] <Adydas> mauriciokubuntu: want a cookie ?? :P just joking, whats up.
[10:20] <mauriciokubuntu> jajaja
[10:20] <genii> mauriciokubuntu: Well, welcome, we see you. If you have a question just go ahead and ask it, someone may know an answer
[10:21] <mauriciokubuntu> i'm from Peru
[10:21] <mauriciokubuntu> i don't know how it goes
[10:21] <mauriciokubuntu> ok
[10:21] <mauriciokubuntu> thnks
[10:22] <mauriciokubuntu> i'm trying to use OPERA but i'm very sad becouse PANDORA does'nt work well on it
[10:22] <payam> excuse me
[10:22] <payam> im waiting
[10:22] <makuseru> how do i change the defualt program for a file?
[10:23] <Assid> genii: you there
[10:23] <genii> Assid Yes indeed. Welcome back. success?
[10:23] <payam> HOW CAN I INSTALL A THEME :(
[10:23] <Assid> ext2 worked.. but now i keep getting no root file system
[10:23] <Assid> which is stupid.. cause i am looading up /
[10:23] <Assid> i got 2 partitions / and swap
[10:23] <makuseru> !themes | payam
[10:23] <ubotu> payam: Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[10:24] <makuseru> !changethemes | payam
[10:24] <makuseru> wakeup ubotu
[10:25] <Adydas> haha
[10:25] <Assid> genii: i dont get it.. all this worked fine on 6.06!?!?
[10:25] <intelikey> ubotu has posted that three times in the last few minutes   each time for payam   so if payam doesn't get it by now let him wonder.
[10:26] <genii> Assid Please see: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/ext2toext3.htm   I think it may be your fstab says perhaps ext2 but then you already converted to ext3 maybe without changing the type or so. at any rate there is a good tutorial for how to umount properly the different mounts you may need to and convert them and so on
[10:26] <Assid> genii: during install??? after format ??
[10:27] <makuseru> intelikey: how do i change the defualt program for a file?
[10:27] <genii> Assid When you do "mount" command, what fs types it shows for / as example?
[10:27] <payam> i cant understan
[10:27] <payam> i click on the file but nothing happens
 ext2 worked.. but now i keep getting no root file system <<< what exactly is the issue ?
[10:28] <Assid> unionfs on /
[10:29] <cpk1> you can mount ext3 as ext2 so it wouldnt matter if he was trying to use ext3 as ext2
[10:29] <Assid> intelikey: cant install 6.10 . trying to do fresh install after 6.06
[10:29] <intelikey> makuseru in konqueror  menu settings > configure konqueror      file associations tab
[10:30] <genii> It may be the dreaded hda became sda syndrome LOL
[10:30] <intelikey> Assid is that the live cd booted ?
[10:30] <Assid> yep
[10:30] <makuseru> thanks intelikey
[10:30] <intelikey> ok  / on the live cd has nothing to do with the install.
[10:30] <Assid> well.. then why am i getting that?
[10:31] <genii> Assid Perhaps because you booted to the cdrom again?
[10:31] <Assid> i am on the screen after the format .. which asks me which partition needs to mount what
[10:31] <frojnd> which one needs less cpu and ram: xubuntu or edubuntu??
[10:31] <intelikey> Assid you have to set a filesystem for the installed /  and let the installer format it.
[10:31] <intelikey> normally a partition.
[10:31] <genii> frojnd: xubuntu
[10:31] <Assid> i know
[10:31] <Assid> i did that
[10:31] <Assid> but it gave that above error
[10:32] <Assid> no root file system
[10:32] <frojnd> genii: less than XP or me ?
[10:32] <Assid> not my first time installing kubuntu.. but seriouslyt this is weird
[10:32] <intelikey> Assid i understand.   lets gather a little information here and see what we can figure out.
[10:32] <genii> frojnd: Well, I have it running on 64Mb p2 350 4Gb hd
[10:33] <intelikey> Assid pastebin the output of    sudo fdisk -l
[10:33] <Assid> err.. okay wait.. does livecd have ssh ?
[10:34] <intelikey> i think.   is it not networked to the inet ?
[10:34] <Assid> it is.. gota check.. hold on
[10:34] <Assid> its another box (i gotta kvm back and forth)
[10:34] <intelikey> ok.
[10:35] <Assid> nope
[10:35] <Assid> no ssh
[10:35] <Assid> this is gonna be bad
[10:35] <genii> intelikey: His original issue was that the partitioner would hang formatting ext3 at 90-something% so I recommended ext2 then tune2fs afterwards. He just put 6.10
[10:35] <intelikey> yeah.
[10:35] <Assid> i do fdisk -l .. nothing.. no output
[10:35] <Assid> weird
[10:36] <intelikey> sudo fdisk -l
[10:36] <intelikey> and you can just type in the addressing here.    like hda1 hda5 hda6   ...
[10:37] <Assid> yeah
[10:37] <intelikey> still nothing with sudo ?
[10:37] <Assid> hda1 - 83 (linux)  hda2 - extended   hda3 - swap
[10:37] <Assid> err
[10:37] <Assid> hda5 swap
[10:38] <intelikey> ok   and you set the installer to format hda1 and mount it as /   ?
[10:38] <Assid> yep
[10:38] <intelikey> and it says no root partition ?
[10:38] <Assid> yep
[10:38] <intelikey> k give me a sec.
[10:38] <Assid> in red at the bottom of that window
[10:39] <Assid> you know what
[10:39] <Assid> does it have vnc?
[10:39] <Assid> i could invitre you in to check
[10:39] <frojnd> genii: what about upgrading: can with sudo apt-get dist-upgrade get to new release for example: from 6.06 to 6.10
[10:40] <genii> frojnd: Yes, if you first alter the sources.list from example dapper to edgy but otherwise same.
[10:41] <intelikey> ok according to this it could be cached disk info that the installer is using which conflicts with the real disk info in turn is causing the installer to "not see" the partition.    sujested solution is to reboot the install cd.
[10:41] <Assid> bah
[10:41] <Assid> okay
[10:41] <intelikey> heh sounds like it was a windows admin that wrote it...
[10:41] <Assid> but why is this happening.. i mean 6.06 worked fine
[10:41] <Assid> its kinda messed up
[10:41] <intelikey> Assid let me do a little more digging
[10:42] <Assid> should i just find my older 6.06 and add the 6.10 as a resource
[10:42] <j__> how do I check how much free space there is left on a partition?
[10:42] <Assid> the problem is.. m trying to sell the idea of a few friends to move to kubuntu
[10:42] <Adydas> j__: df -h
[10:42] <Assid> but i really cant tell them to use an old disc and then upgrade
[10:42] <Assid> its like windows xp and then install service pack2
[10:43] <frojnd> genii: ttp://ftp.cw.net/xubuntu/releases/6.10/release/xubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso is this what u use
[10:43] <intelikey> Assid heh you could maybe sell them on the idea of using the LTS version for stability...
[10:43] <Assid> LTS - linux terminal server?
[10:44] <HymnToLife> !lts
[10:44] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[10:44] <Assid> yeah
[10:44] <genii> frojnd: Yes, or if you already have another ubuntu install and just want to change the window manager for instance, just do instead:  sudo aptget install xubuntu-desktop    then after choose xubuntu as wsession type from login screen
[10:44] <intelikey> ok heres another sujested fix   just kill the xserver and let it restart.   then the installers cache should be flushed.
[10:44] <Assid> tahts the one i installed
[10:44] <Assid> 6.06LTS
[10:44] <intelikey> Assid ^
[10:44] <Assid> if i can find the disk
[10:44] <HymnToLife> I wonder what the difference between desktop and server is, as far as support is concerned...
[10:44] <Assid> thats what i had
[10:45] <Assid> bah. im not downloading the DVD again.. its too painful on my connection
[10:45] <intelikey> Assid did you see the second "sujestion" ?  ^
[10:46] <Assid> oh.. wait CTRL SHIFT BACKSPACE ?
[10:46] <intelikey> ctrl+alt+bs
[10:46] <genii> Assid yes
[10:47] <mauriciokubuntu> who knows about pandora working over OPERA web browser?
[10:48] <intelikey> pandora ?     every gift ?
[10:50] <Reeves> where can I get Qt3?
[10:50] <intelikey> Reeves  apt-cache search qt3 | less
[10:51] <shakur> please..is there anybody who knows about the problem why pandora does'nt work ell over opera browser?
[10:51] <Reeves> ok, i see
[10:51] <timster> !xfce
[10:51] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[10:51] <DrPHP> intelikey: its me assid
[10:51] <intelikey> yes.
[10:51] <timster> !xfce info
[10:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xfce info - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:52] <DrPHP> im back in install
[10:52] <intelikey> DrPHP did that help it ?
[10:52] <DrPHP> its asking for resize/erase/manually edit
[10:52] <DrPHP> now what do i do
[10:52] <genii> !xfce4
[10:52] <ubotu> xfce4: meta-package for xfce4 dependencies. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.3.90.2 (edgy), package size 4 kB, installed size 48 kB
[10:52] <intelikey> manually
[10:52] <Adydas> DrPHP: can you not use AUTO >
[10:52] <DrPHP> i dont re-partition it right .. just say next
[10:53] <DrPHP> mount pount /media/hda1 ?
[10:53] <intelikey> DrPHP if it recognizes them correctly   then yes just say next
[10:53] <intelikey> mount   no.  don't mount.
[10:53] <DrPHP> its in step 5
[10:53] <DrPHP> that asks what do i mount where
[10:53] <Adydas> no, hes askin is that the mount point for / intelikey
[10:53] <Adydas> not to run the command mount.. i hope..
[10:53] <timster> Can I have home on a seperate partition after installation, or is it too late?
[10:53] <intelikey> but hda1 is going to be /
[10:53] <kurakao> plop
[10:54] <DrPHP> i tried
[10:54] <DrPHP> again
[10:54] <DrPHP> same problem
[10:54] <kurakao> svncviewer is really cool
[10:55] <DrPHP> how do i invite you?
[10:55] <kurakao> im using it with really low BW
[10:55] <intelikey> DrPHP oh misunderstood.   ok  yes  mount  /dev/hda1 as /  yes .   and choose format that partition.
[10:55] <DrPHP> you mean reformat
[10:55] <DrPHP> and no that doesnt happen.. same problem
[10:55] <intelikey> yes
[10:55] <genii> This pandora-opera thing seems related to the flash9 crap
[10:56] <DrPHP> "no root file system"
[10:56] <DrPHP> stuck in step 5
[10:56] <shakur> flash 9 is getting troubles?
[10:56] <DrPHP> aaaaaaaaaargh.. problems
[10:56] <shakur> problems
[10:56] <shakur> sorry
[10:56] <intelikey> DrPHP on a whim    in a konsole issue     sudo umount /dev/hda?
[10:56] <intelikey> then try.
[10:56] <shakur> no se mucho ingles
[10:57] <kurakao> hola shakur
[10:57] <DrPHP> umount: /dev/hda: not mounted
[10:57] <shakur> hola kurakao
[10:57] <DrPHP> same for hda1
[10:57] <intelikey> !es | shakur
[10:57] <ubotu> shakur: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:57] <shakur> hablas espaol kurakao?
[10:57] <kurakao> s
[10:57] <kurakao> hay un canal para hablar en espaol
[10:57] <DrPHP> whats the default root password here anyways?
[10:58] <shakur> gracias ubotu
[10:58] <kurakao> ubuntu-es
[10:58] <intelikey> DrPHP there isn't one.
[10:58] <genii> shakur The very latest flash plugin is still sometimes giving issues with some sites
[10:58] <Adydas> its your username
[10:58] <kurakao> voy a etnrarll
[10:58] <intelikey> Adydas on the liveCD ?
[10:58] <aortrh33> no root password, just issue sudo, or kdesu and supply your user password
[10:58] <genii> on livecd no root pw
[10:59] <DrPHP> okay anyways.. how do i get this to instrall
[10:59] <intelikey> aortrh33 there is no default passwd for "ubuntu" on the live CD either
[10:59] <shakur> genii...but when i run pandora over firefox it works very well
[10:59] <DrPHP> hasnt anyone tried to install  fresh from disc before?
[11:00] <shakur> but i would like to use OPERA
[11:00] <genii> shakur firefox and opera do not use the same flash plugins. Each browser has it's own plugin
[11:00] <intelikey> DrPHP with the "convoluted" thing they called an installer on the liveCD and the problem you are describing, i'm not sure you can...
[11:00] <DrPHP> $%^#
[11:01] <DrPHP> okie signing this thing off
[11:01] <intelikey> DrPHP yes sever people have installed from the liveCD  but  not all have beed able too.
[11:01] <DrPHP> well they should make it more universal if you want  more people to be able to use it
[11:01] <DrPHP> im trying to promote it .. but i cant use itmyself
[11:01] <intelikey> and without hands on, i'd be hard perssed to even venture another course of action on that disk.
[11:01] <shakur> genii...ok..but i did every thing opera told me about installing flash to use it on opera..and even that does'nt work
[11:02] <Adydas> shakur:  whats the website your trying to use
[11:02] <shakur> i don't know why it's happenning
[11:02] <Adydas> ill see if it works for me
[11:02] <shakur> pandora.com
[11:02] <shakur> to listen music..you know
[11:03] <Assid> hrmm
[11:04] <Assid> i hate vbootring with my kvm.. stupid keyboard slows down
[11:04] <genii> From Adobe: "Flash Player 9.0.31.0 currently only supports the Firefox, Mozilla, and SeaMonkey browsers using GTK2.  Instability issues are expected in all other, non-supported browsers, such as Opera, Konqueror, Netscape, Galeon."
[11:04] <Assid> btw whats the difference between this version and LTS version
[11:04] <Adydas> shakur: works fine for me on opera with flash installed
[11:04] <eeanm> is XCB (the Xlib replacement) availabe anywhere for Kubuntu?
[11:04] <Assid> shouldnt all of them be lts
 well they should make it more universal <<<  but how do we inturprte that ?    do you mean more automatic ?    that is what they were trying to do with the liveCD installer which is why it completely fails on some boxes....   or do you mean more configurable ?    more options ?    that's the oppisite of the designers intent.   they thought more people would like it if they drop the disk in the tray and walk away.  
[11:05] <intelikey> which leaves it a little bit of a "we do it the way we want, not the way you think you want"  kind of a thing.
[11:05] <Assid> yeah.. thats the idea simplicity.. but not simple when it doesnt want to do ext3 and doesnt want to mount the partitions
[11:05] <Assid> which a decent linux user would normally know what hes doing but cant get it to work
[11:07] <intelikey> Assid in short.   if you are a linux user.  don't mess with the liveCD installer,  it's junk.      it you are a windows user,  just use the liveCD installer, it's all you need.     ( i don't agree with the latter but it's the ubuntu way )
[11:07] <Assid> i didnt know it was the live cd installer
[11:07] <Assid> i thought it was the normal installer
[11:08] <intelikey> !alternate
[11:08] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[11:08] <Heavenquake> cpk1: wifi's up and running once again
[11:08] <intelikey> that's the non-liveCD install disk.
[11:08] <Assid> dapper drake ?
[11:08] <Assid> isnt that 6.06 lts ?
[11:09] <nova_> ok
[11:09] <Assid> damn.. i hope i didnt throw out the disc when i got 6.10
[11:09] <genii> Assid there are alternate install cds for dapper and edgy. Even I believe feisty
[11:09] <nova_> quoi
[11:09] <intelikey> yes it is...  and no the factoid was writen when dapper released.  and hasn't been updated.   re read it.
[11:09] <nova_> french please
[11:09] <intelikey> (available as of Dapper) <<<  and forward...
[11:09] <intelikey> !fr
[11:09] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:10] <nova_> merci
[11:10] <shakur> Adydas: When i try to conect to PAndora over OPERA, when pandora try to conect to my personal settings it say: i'm sorry, i had some problems trying to logging you in. It's my foult.Try again
[11:10] <Assid> right 6.06 lts
[11:10] <Assid> if i got the dvd of edgy
[11:10] <vicks> i'm runing in to whats seems to be a bug in firefox in kubuntu (feisty). every now and then, when i click on a  link the browser seems to download the data and the url-bar displays the new url,  but it never renders it
[11:10] <Adydas> Oh, i didnt Login to anything ya see..
[11:10] <Assid> wouldnt that have ALTERNATE as well ?
[11:11] <intelikey> yes and 6.10 and 7.4....
[11:11] <Tecnox> hey guys
[11:11] <genii> Shakur - From Adobe: "Flash Player 9.0.31.0 currently only supports the Firefox, Mozilla, and SeaMonkey browsers using GTK2.  Instability issues are expected in all other, non-supported browsers, such as Opera, Konqueror, Netscape, Galeon."
[11:11] <Tecnox> i pop the kubuntu cd in my desktop, etc and it loads everything, then i see my cursor with a weird pattern on the screen, but it just stays there..
[11:12] <Tecnox> what might be the problem
[11:12] <intelikey> Tecnox misconfigured xorg.
[11:12] <Assid> intelikey: doesnt the edgy dvd have dapper?
[11:12] <intelikey> Assid i don't think so.
[11:12] <Tecnox> intelikey i didnt even do anything... just burned, poped cd in..
[11:12] <genii> No, it doesn't
[11:12] <Tecnox> didnt change any configs
[11:13] <shakur> genii: you'r right..i know that...but opera sent me there to get it to work..i don't know why...becouse Adobe say that you say
[11:13] <cpk1> Heavenquake: good to hear, hopefully it doesnt change its mind again
[11:13] <Assid> im gonna try one last time
[11:13] <Assid> i saw in the boot.. a console and oem thing
[11:13] <Assid> also it had a option install somewhere
[11:13] <intelikey> Tecnox so your hardware tricked out the configurator.  it happens.    are you an avid linux user or new to linux ?
[11:13] <Tecnox> intelikey new
[11:13] <Assid> brb
[11:14] <Heavenquake> cpk1: it was very strange. all the binaries were just gone from the folder. Only the .dat file remained
[11:14] <Tecnox> intelikey im not brand new, i've used it before, and installed stuff like gentoo with help of ppl, i know basics about xconf, etc
[11:14] <cpk1> Heavenquake: from which folder?
[11:14] <Tecnox> intelikey is there a guide that tells me how to upgrade my 6.06LTS to latest?
[11:15] <lontra> any chances we might see an official package of kickoff in kubuntu?
[11:15] <lontra> particularly in feisty
[11:16] <Heavenquake> cpk1: /etc/Wireless/RT61STA/
[11:16] <intelikey> Tecnox hmmm  well the correct approach would be to drop to another console  (alt+crtl+f1)  and reconfigure the server. (sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg) answering the questions correctly.  then switching back to the gui (alt+f7) and restarting it. (ctrl+alt+backspace)
[11:16] <cpk1> wierd
[11:16] <cpk1> well mine is still there =P
[11:16] <intelikey> Tecnox for the xorg   ^
[11:16] <cpk1> but then again I almost never restart
[11:16] <intelikey> Tecnox there is a guide on the wiki.
[11:16] <Heavenquake> hehe. The only thing that seemed to be retained was the change in the blacklist file..
[11:17] <intelikey> !upgrade | Tecnox
[11:17] <ubotu> Tecnox: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[11:17] <Tecnox> thx
[11:17] <Tecnox> intelikey, right now im in livecd mode, should i install it to disk first, then upgrade or i can do it just like this?
[11:18] <Heavenquake> how was it again one opened tar.bz2 files using the terminal?
[11:18] <intelikey> Tecnox do you have linux installed ?
[11:18] <Tecnox> Tecnox No, i dont
[11:18] <Adydas> Install and upgrades my opinion
[11:18] <Tecnox> ok thx
[11:19] <intelikey> Tecnox then i would recommend the alternate install cd of the version you want.
[11:19] <Tecnox> intelikey its install/livecd in one
[11:19] <Tecnox> theres a install icon within the livecd
[11:19] <Assid> okay.. its doing it
[11:19] <Assid> its installing base system
[11:19] <Tecnox> ok
[11:19] <Assid> using ext2
[11:19] <intelikey> i know about the live CD   i would still recommend the alternate install cd
[11:20] <Assid> im gonna get this POC to work
[11:20] <intelikey> !alternate | Tecnox
[11:20] <ubotu> Tecnox: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[11:20] <Tecnox> i dnot have that one
[11:20] <Tecnox> whats teh difff between installing it this way?
[11:20] <cpk1> tar xvzf Heavenquake
[11:21] <Assid> intelikey: how big is the base install of this?
[11:21] <shakur> kubuntu spanish is very slow!!!!!
[11:21] <intelikey> hey you use what you have.   i understand that as well as anyone.  being on dialup...    but the liveCD's installer is "less than perfect"  imo.
[11:21] <Tecnox> but it if works and installs it, whats the end result difference?
[11:22] <Assid> intelikey: im planing to do a base install.. install proftpd.. copy the iso and mount it.. and then do my installs
[11:22] <soulrider> !es
[11:22] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:22] <intelikey> end result  if you get to there   is no different.
[11:22] <cpk1> Heavenquake: i cant remember if it has to be xfz or if the z can come before the f though, v isnt needed, it just means verbose
[11:22] <intelikey> Assid sounds like a plan.
[11:23] <Adydas> zxvf
[11:23] <HymnToLife> im most cases, z isn't needed either, tar will autodetect the gzip compression
[11:23] <Adydas> tar -zxvf filename.tar.gz
[11:23] <Heavenquake> cpk1: it complains about it not being gzipped. I found it to be jxf
[11:23] <Assid> yeah problem is.. my plan is LATE
[11:23] <intelikey> if anyone wants to see how far short of perfect the liveCD installer is.  just install onto an hda  no partitions.   :)
[11:23] <Assid> its like 3.53 am here
[11:23] <Adydas> Heavenquake: try tar -xvf filename.tar then
[11:24] <intelikey> Assid then it's early
[11:24] <intelikey> :)
[11:24] <Assid> hehe
[11:24] <Tecnox> intelikey say it clearly man
[11:24] <Tecnox> intelikey im installing it to hd with no other partitions
[11:24] <Assid> i wonder how long it should take
[11:24] <Assid> more than 20 mins. im going to bed
[11:24] <intelikey> no other partitions != no partitions
[11:24] <cpk1> oops i thought you were talking about the tar for the wireless card which is a gz =P
[11:25] <Tecnox> what
[11:25] <Assid> intelikey: you can install in text mode in dvd 6.10
[11:25] <Tecnox> im out
[11:25] <Tecnox> later
[11:25] <Pensa`MIA> why does my control centre look like this? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/Pensacola/kdecontrol.jpg
[11:25] <Tecnox> you guys are weird
[11:25] <Assid> it has oem mode too.. but oem died for me before
[11:25] <Tecnox> i'll just read on wiki or other sites
[11:25] <Tecnox> Pensa`MIA diff languaeg?
[11:26] <intelikey> Tecnox there is always   #ubuntu
[11:26] <Assid> bah
[11:26] <Assid> having 2 mice on the desk is no fun
[11:26] <Adydas> would be for a cat
[11:26] <Heavenquake> cpk1: oh, all right then. Now I'm trying to compile wifiradar
[11:26] <Tecnox> im asking question why do you have to talk in riddles or something
[11:26] <Pensa`MIA> it used to work, I reinstalled kubuntu this morning, with my /home on a seperate partition
[11:26] <Tecnox> laer
[11:26] <Tecnox> later
[11:26] <Assid> yeah well.. tihs cool cat is going nutty cause im moving the wrong mouse
[11:26] <intelikey> Tecnox what riddle ?
[11:27] <cpk1> Heavenquake: why?
[11:27] <Assid> not bad.. going pretty fast
[11:27] <Assid> i think ext3 in this 6.10 is broken
[11:27] <Heavenquake> cpk1: I'm told it's good
[11:27] <cpk1> Heavenquake: yes, but its in the repos
[11:28] <intelikey> Assid it very well could be.   i no longer use ext3 because of some issues i have had with it loosing data.
[11:28] <cpk1> i didnt have problems formatting to ext3 when i installed edgy
[11:28] <Assid> losing data ?!?!?!
[11:28] <Heavenquake> cpk1: well, i didn't manage to find it. sudo aptitude search wifiradar returns void. Besides, I will have to learn to compile stuff sooner or later
[11:28] <cpk1> only problem I had was sata recognition
[11:28] <intelikey> yes
[11:28] <Assid> you kidding me?
[11:28] <Assid> i was planning on keeping my backups on this
[11:29] <Assid> its a spare box i play with when im bored
[11:29] <intelikey> no  but i don't expect it to happen to others just because it did to me.
[11:29] <Assid> scary
[11:29] <cpk1> Heavenquake: you probably dont have universe/multiverse enabled
[11:29] <Assid> i think it happened in 6.06 to me too
[11:29] <Assid> cause sometimes it owuld say file not found
[11:29] <Assid> when i see the file rihgt there
[11:29] <Assid> cause i kept it there
[11:29] <Assid> and then disappears
[11:29] <Heavenquake> cpk1: you're saying something. allow me to enable 'em. just a sec..
[11:29] <Assid> main reason why i wanted a fresh install
[11:29] <intelikey> i switched to all ext2 and haven't had anymore trubble .......  yet.
[11:30] <cpk1> intelikey: isnt the only difference journaling? how would that make a difference?
[11:30] <Assid> so i just lose journaling right ? so that means what ? fsck every now and then ?
[11:30] <Adydas> i cant find it with multiverse enabled
[11:30] <Adydas> cpk1: You got a second?
[11:30] <cpk1> its in universe
[11:30] <intelikey> cpk1 yes it is supposed to be the only differance.
[11:31] <intelikey> Adydas yes much slower but more pure fsck.
[11:31] <intelikey> sorry Adydas Assid
[11:31] <Assid> failed!
[11:32] <Assid> aargh
[11:32] <Assid> for the love of god . WORK!
[11:33] <cpk1> Adydas: its going fine...
[11:33] <intelikey> Assid what error output ?
[11:34] <Adydas> heres fine. how would you describe multiverse
[11:34] <Assid> configuring      installation step failed
[11:34] <intelikey> Assid may be displayed in another tty.   alt+right-arrow
[11:34] <Assid> its at 85%
[11:35] <intelikey> Assid Q  that disk is empty right ?
[11:35] <intelikey> only the two partitions / and swap  ?
[11:36] <Assid> some unknown localized field
[11:36] <Assid> yes.. 2 paritions
[11:36] <cpk1> Adydas: ? just a repo with tons of stuff that may or may not be free as in beer mostly I think, I've never really though about it
[11:36] <Assid> menu item pkgsel failed
[11:36] <Assid> tjhats the last line
[11:37] <intelikey> Assid why don't you try    sudo cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda      and when it finishes restart the installation process.
[11:37] <Assid> prior to that it has alot of   unknown localized field
[11:37] <Adydas> cpk1: im just writing some help files and i cant think either how to explain it
[11:38] <intelikey> it looks a lot like an issue i saw one time with some weird code on a disk that would crap out a format  but couldn't be found as a bad block.
[11:38] <Assid> and something extended_description_de(whatever country codes)_iso8559  ....
[11:38] <intelikey> yep    try zeroing the disk.
[11:39] <Assid> didnt work sudo not found
[11:39] <Assid> hehe
[11:39] <intelikey> try without sudo
[11:39] <intelikey> maybe you are root...
[11:39] <Assid> yeah
[11:39] <Assid> what happens when you zero the disc?
[11:40] <cpk1> puts zeros on it
[11:40] <Assid> takes time?
[11:40] <intelikey> it writes  00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
[11:40] <intelikey> all over the disk
[11:40] <cpk1> however long it takes to fill it with 0's
[11:40] <Assid> damn.. thats gonna be forever
[11:40] <intelikey> but if it fixes it....
[11:41] <Assid> im gonna pass out in like 20 mins tops
[11:41] <cpk1> so start it then pass out
[11:41] <intelikey> so issue the command and go to sleep.
[11:41] <Assid> hehe
[11:41] <Assid> cant leave overnight
[11:41] <ackbahr> Hello! My Adept Notifier tells me there are 5 things to upgrade, but "sudo apt-get install upgrade" doesn't change anything to it.... What should I do?
[11:41] <cpk1> why not?
[11:41] <voidmage> do sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:41] <mpapa> hello guys iam a new user of linux
[11:42] <voidmage> ackbahr: what you were doing was trying to install package "upgrade", which doesn't exist
[11:42] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install dist-upgrade
[11:42] <voidmage> ackbahr: do sudo apt-get upgrade or sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:42] <Assid> how long should 40GB drive take ?
[11:42] <Assid> approx
[11:42] <intelikey> 10 minutes
[11:42] <cpk1> depends how fast it writes, but 40gB shouldnt take long
[11:42] <intelikey> 15 maybe
[11:43] <ackbahr> voidmage: Well, you're right... I used the correct command (just tired typing here and now!) but it wouldn't change anything.... What's the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade?
[11:43] <Adydas> one upgrades the system
[11:43] <Adydas> one upgrades the ccurrent pacakges
[11:43] <intelikey> what he said ^
[11:43] <cpk1> then why do i need to dist-upgrade for amarok? ^^
[11:44] <Adydas> you dont
[11:44] <Assid> if that dont work.. im just gonna go get debian-etch
[11:44] <cpk1> i dont think thats part of the system =P
[11:44] <Assid> even tho its sid
[11:44] <ackbahr> So dist-upgrade is what I do when I hear "Hey, the last improvements of Edgy are great, did you get them already?" ?
[11:44] <Adydas> sudo apt-get upgrade amarok ?
[11:44] <cpk1> no, amarok gets held back sometimes
[11:44] <voidmage> if amarok is being held back, sudo apt-get install it
[11:44] <Adydas> ackbahr: pritty much, latest kernel etc as apposed to latest program version
[11:45] <voidmage> that generally fetches anything it needs if it won't fetch in an upgrade
[11:45] <ackbahr> Adydas: Great, always a great, simple and quick help in here.... Goodnight everyone, see you soon!
[11:47] <blackscreen> hi
[11:48] <blackscreen> how can i configure ubuntu/kubuntu not to start X when it boots?
[11:48] <Adydas> Morning
[11:48] <blackscreen> hi adydas, perhaps you could help me out a bit?
[11:48] <blackscreen> hang on a sec, let me find a link
[11:48] <Adydas> you want it to permantly stay off X
[11:48] <stdin> blackscreen: remove the links to kdm from /etc/rc2.d/
[11:48] <Reeves_0ut> where is libdb4 ditectory??? PLEASE!!
[11:48] <Adydas> or just want to go to X once to do somthing
[11:49] <blackscreen> this is my problem, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=367051
[11:49] <blackscreen> thanks a lot to anyone helping me out :)
[11:49] <lontra> is there a way to install acroread?
[11:49] <lontra> !acroread
[11:49] <ubotu> acroread: Adobe Acrobat Reader: Portable Document Format file viewer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 7.0.9-0.0.ubuntu0.6.10 (edgy), package size 22375 kB, installed size 54700 kB (Only available for i386)
[11:50] <blackscreen> i figured if i could have x not start, i could install the graphics drivers in a terminal, and then try to start x? does that sound like a plan? im fairly new to linux, so bear with me
[11:50] <Adydas> so X wont start at atll?
[11:51] <blackscreen> the guy who just answered my forum post, and says that i should try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", ... problem is that i dont have any virtual terminal to do that in
[11:51] <blackscreen> no
[11:51] <blackscreen> this is what happens
[11:51] <Adydas> oh ok
[11:51] <Adydas> so you want to get to terminal, what happens when you boot?
[11:51] <blackscreen> i turn on the computer, grub loads, then the ubuntu splash screen starts, and when it seems to be done, and x usually should start, it doesnt, but the screen goes black, and dies..
[11:51] <blackscreen> almost as if its going into standby or something
[11:52] <Adydas> what does a Control F2 do out of intrest
[11:52] <blackscreen> during boot?
[11:52] <blackscreen> or when the screen is blank?
[11:52] <Adydas> when its booted and on the black screen
[11:53] <Adydas> Black
[11:53] <blackscreen> i see, well, i could try (maybe i have already) i dont think it does anything... problem is im on the livecd on the laptop right now, so i would have to reboot to check it out
[11:53] <intelikey> Control F2?
[11:53] <blackscreen> what is ctrl f2 supposed to do?
[11:53] <intelikey> yeah what does  ctrl f2 do ?
[11:53] <uranther> am i the only one that can't get openoffice working?
[11:53] <uranther> i installed it, but when it starts up, it just crashes
[11:54] <uranther> no error
[11:55] <blackscreen> guys? any ideas?
[11:55] <Pensacola> I reinstalled the entire kubuntu-desktop package and it's dependencies, and logged in with the default /home settings, and still my control centre is empty
[11:55] <Adydas> im trying to remember what i did when i had a black screen
[11:55] <blackscreen> ah
[11:55] <blackscreen> kind of depressed here :)
[11:55] <blackscreen> i could try booting into recovery
[11:56] <blackscreen> but as far i as i remember, i already tried that, and i didnt get as far as the terminal, it just hung during the boot process
[11:56] <blackscreen> (sorry if my english sucks, im from norway)
[11:56] <Adydas> Not the best answer but if i struck your situation id prob jsut try try installing fresh
[11:57] <blackscreen> hmm
[11:57] <blackscreen> perhaps
[11:57] <blackscreen> but i just installed the OS like 30 minutes ago, do you think a reinstall could do the trick :) ?
[11:57] <Adydas> as i said, I would personally
[11:57] <Adydas> i re installed 5-6 times to get where i am
[11:58] <blackscreen> i see
[11:58] <blackscreen> well, ill keep looking around for a wihle, and if nothing turns up, ill just reinstall and see what happens
[11:58] <blackscreen> if anyone else has any ideas, id appreciate it (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2190981#post2190981)
[11:58] <Adydas> as far as im aware if you can boot the cd, install with the desktop from that you shouldnt lose X after installing...
[12:00] <lu-bao> hi where does kubuntu store all .deb packages ive downloaded and installed through adept and other installers?
[12:00] <lu-bao> that i can restore my system later to this current state without being online
[12:00] <blackscreen> yeah i know, thats what i was thinking, but what the hell... x is gone black... so sad
[12:01] <hatta> lu-bao, /var/cache/apt/archives
[12:01] <lu-bao> hatta, thank you very much :)
[12:02] <blackscreen> allright.. im gonna try booting in recovery again
[12:02] <blackscreen> if anyone has something, post it here, it would help me out a lot
[12:02] <blackscreen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2190981#post2190981
[12:02] <intelikey> !xorg
[12:02] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:02] <intelikey> blackscreen note the link   ^
[12:02] <intelikey> later guys.
[12:03] <blackscreen> thtanks man
[12:03] <blackscreen> im reading up on it as we speak
[12:03] <hatta> lu-bao, you might also want to save the output of dpkg -l
[12:03] <Assid> stupid zero.. still running
[12:03] <lu-bao> hatta, there is every package (dependencys included) included what i installed through updating ? :)
[12:03] <Assid> !lts
[12:03] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[12:04] <hatta> lu-bao, they should be in there
[12:04] <matyasi> !ubotu
[12:04] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:04] <lu-bao> hatta, is dpkg -l output needed? or only packages in archives? *to restore* :)
[12:05] <malik> can any one help me install creative pd0040 webcam?.......i have tried all the wiki pages but i cant seem to have it working.......i will gladly pay for the help
[12:05] <lontra> are there tasty menu packages for kubuntu?
[12:05] <cpk1> blackscreen: run the livecd again, mount your hd and change X to use vesa and then work from there?
[12:05] <hatta> lu-bao, you only need the packages, but dpkg is a nice list of those packages and what versions you have
[12:06] <lu-bao> hatta, ah i see :) mmh and i can install every one later manually through dpkg -i packagename.deb ?
[12:06] <hatta> yes
[12:06] <lu-bao> thank you very much :)
[12:06] <cpk1> lu-bao: if you do that you wont auto-resolve dependencies though
[12:07] <lu-bao> cpk1, you better had read first and then said something *g*
[12:07] <lu-bao> when i install everything out of /var/cache/apt/archives i install all means dependencies too everything i ve installed before with package manager
[12:09] <lu-bao> hatta, thank you very much i bet i would have never found this cache folder by my own :)
[12:09] <hatta> lu-bao, what he means is that if you have package foo.deb and bar.deb, and foo depends upon bar, they'll both be in /var/cache/apt/archives  but dpkg -i foo.deb won't automatically install bar.deb
[12:09] <lu-bao> i know :)
[12:09] <hatta> oh ok
[12:09] <hatta> I gotta go now, good luck
[12:09] <lu-bao> but when i install every package out or archives with dpkg -i i have every package installed again :)
[12:10] <lu-bao> every package dependencies too all ive had before ^^
[12:10] <cpk1> lu-bao: you can just use aptitude or apt-get and it will lookin the cache first
[12:10] <lu-bao> cpk1, huh? what do you mean? can you give me an example for your idea? ^^ *sorry im new*
[12:11] <malik> can any one help me install creative pd0040 webcam?.......i have tried all the wiki pages but i cant seem to have it working.......i will gladly pay for the help
[12:11] <matyasi> hello! could someone help me to set up wpa_supplicant? I tried to understand its man pages, but still seems not to work.
[12:12] <Adydas> lu-bao: have a nosey around this website it may be of some help to you.
[12:12] <Adydas> http://adydas.net/linux/repos.html
[12:12] <lu-bao> my idea is just that when i shot my system that i have backuped archieves folder before and then i can restore every software i had installed before without remember for name of program or need for online connection :)
[12:12] <cpk1> lu-bao: say you installed package foo yesterday and today uninstalled it and then afterwards realized you changed your mind and you actually want it, when you go to install it again with aptitude/apt-get you wont have to download anything because it knows the package is in the cache
[12:12] <lu-bao> cpk1, yes thats true but my idea was to backup it for when i need it later for a whole new install :)
[12:13] <lu-bao> that i can easily install it fastly with all updates i had before out of archieves folder :)