=== Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === lifeless [n=robertc@ppp245-86.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad [01:38] lifeless: do you have a moment? === ke|p [n=kelp@110.Red-81-37-142.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [01:38] pochu: maybe [01:39] lifeless: it's about this: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+ticket/3790 [01:39] lifeless: a Launchpad dev told me I had to talk to a launchpad admin [01:39] lifeless: if you can review it :) [01:39] lifeless: the user is ke|p [01:39] ke|p: ping? [01:40] HI [01:40] i'm === BjornT [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #launchpad [01:43] hi [01:43] how are you sure the current kelp has never used launchpad ? [01:43] lifeless: at last in the last year, no? [01:43] lifeless: its karma page doesn't show any action [01:44] lifeless: also there is no upload, no package... [01:44] packages* [01:44] pochu: maybe they just use it for wiki stuff? [01:45] its entirely possible the account is there to allow them to edit the ubuntu wiki [01:45] LaserJock: can we check it? [01:45] Although changing the launchpad name will not affect their wiki access. [01:46] spiv: right :) [01:47] still seems a little heavy handed to just remove/move an LP id without the owner's consent [01:47] LaserJock: when it has no email with it? [01:47] well, does that mean it's not a real person? [01:47] lifeless: is possible to have a LP account without an email? [01:47] they are active [01:47] they've last logged in in jan [01:48] so not very active, but certainly not idle. [01:48] I'm not going to change their name. You can ask them to change their name, so you can change it... but their email has a local portion of 'kelp' [01:49] so I think that this is a conflict on their preferred handle, which happens - sorry. [01:49] lifeless: I can't contact him, since there is no email address there [01:49] lifeless: np [01:49] they have it set to hide email address's [01:49] :S === jml [n=jml@59.167.202.65] has joined #launchpad [01:50] lifeless: ty anyway :) === neversfelde_ [n=chrman@nrbg-4db4432a.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #launchpad [01:51] is there any way to see a wiki.ubuntu.com profile? [01:51] ke|p: you could change your name (via +edit) to kelp1 or something [01:52] mmm ok, it's a possibility [01:53] not the best, though [01:53] hehe [01:53] well [01:53] but that's better than nothing :) [01:53] I'm sure the other kelp would say the precise same thing [01:53] unfortunately we can't really have two people at ~kelp :) [01:53] :) [01:55] lifeless: are special characters (as "|") allowed in launchpad accounts? [01:55] dont think so, we require a subset of ascii that is easy to read over a e.g phone line, without confusion [01:56] so no capticals [01:56] alphanumeric [01:56] '-' [01:56] some few others [01:57] ah, ok :) [01:57] try something whack, it will tell you ;) [01:58] thanks lifeless [02:00] np, hope you find something you are happy with === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-137-28.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad [02:01] Gooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders! [02:01] mpt! [02:01] :-) [02:03] mpt: hi :) [02:03] mpt! [02:07] hey mpt! [02:11] and,,, lifeless, can you give me the mail to contact with and ask him if he is using LP? it's possible? [02:12] ke|p: no, hes chosen not to disclose his email address's to anyone, and thats his privilege. [02:13] oks, sorry, i'm new in LP [02:13] thanks [02:13] you can see his wikiname I think, you could try getting in contact with him via the wiki [02:13] leave a message on his wiki-page [02:14] I think he don't have wiki page, mmm [02:14] has :p [02:19] lifeless, this is the mickey25's wiki page, this page doesn not exist yet [02:19] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mickey25 [02:40] If he had a wiki page, he'd probably be using Launchpad :-) === thumper is now known as thumper-afk [02:47] mpt, this wiki page doesn't exist and i can't contact whit him [02:53] can I do anything else? [02:54] ke|p: i think your pretty stuck [02:56] ok, sorry [03:40] New bug: #86624 in launchpad "Help panel is sometimes invisible in Safari" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86624 === jml [n=jml@59.167.202.65] has joined #launchpad [04:20] New bug: #28326 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 "i810 Xv crashes after suspend -> infinite resprawn" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28326 === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.13.96.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad [04:35] New bug: #86633 in launchpad-bazaar "Beta frontpage says we import git repositories -- we don't" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86633 === shawn__ [n=shawn@adsl-70-231-255-214.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #launchpad === poolie_ [n=mbp@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === poolie__ [n=mbp@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === Bhaskar [n=Bhaskar@202.79.37.177] has joined #launchpad [06:32] night everybody! [06:35] New bug: #86643 in launchpad "Implement mouseover/mousedown effects for buttons" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86643 [06:48] I'm trying to file a bug for the version of python-mechanize in feisty [06:49] on some pages, the "Bugs" tab isn't clickable, but the colours and fonts are the same as if it was clickable. [06:51] ahh, that's a known bug. (bug 82212) [06:51] Malone bug 82212 in launchpad "milestone views in beta have unclickable tabs" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82212 === jml [n=jml@59.167.202.65] has joined #launchpad === Spads [n=spacehob@host-87-74-55-87.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #launchpad === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #launchpad [08:53] morning === mrevell [n=matthew@62-31-78-42.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad === zwnj [n=behnam@194.225.70.57] has joined #launchpad === ChanServ [ChanServ@services.] has joined #launchpad === zwnj [n=behnam@194.225.70.57] has joined #launchpad === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad === mrevell [n=matthew@62-31-78-42.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined 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[10:13] once the UI passes my basic smell test I'll work the rolodex [10:13] sabdfl: And everyone's happy not post screenshots. [10:13] sabdfl: Cool === mrevell_ is now known as mrevell [10:15] the beta-by-default is getting me to use it more :-) [10:15] LaserJock: You pinged me last night. Sorry, I got into a call. How can I help? [10:17] SteveA: how diverged is our zope from mainline? === medders [n=matt@unaffiliated/medders] has joined #launchpad === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.68.74] has joined #launchpad === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db44245.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #launchpad [10:30] mrevell: -> pm if you haven't seen it already [10:31] LaserJock: I've replied. 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[10:54] SteveA: we're all going to switch to feisty on beta day, lp devs included, please will you nominate someone to get things ready for that? [10:54] so it's not a big panic day? [10:54] i've had to tweak a few things (mainly making python2.4 more explicit) [10:55] postgres8.2 requires a few tweaks [10:55] they are in my mentorship branch if anyone wants to look [10:58] sabdfl: does the sound work for people using feisty? [10:58] communicating by voice is important, and we don't have hardware voip phones [10:59] SteveA: now that's exactly the sort of bug the distro teamwill want to hear about [11:00] it'll also cause problems getting work done on the launchpad team [11:00] so, I'd encourage people to use a livecd install, check sound works [11:00] and if not, file bugs, and not upgrade === SteveA --> interview [11:01] SteveA: sorry, we've had a long discussion about this [11:01] if we worked for a company that USED ubuntu that would be fine [11:02] but we need all the testing feedback we can [11:02] it was a compromise to wait till beta as it is [11:02] you seriously want people to upgrade if they have established that sound doesn't work? [11:02] i would have gone with feature freeze [11:02] yes [11:02] because they will find other things that don't work too [11:02] and those bug reports are important [11:03] they've every right to ask the distro team to prioritise stuff that affects them, perhaps tag and track them accordingly [11:07] SteveA: is there any way for an executing python script to go into interactive mode? [11:07] the equivalent of python -i? [11:07] want to make it so I can just run ./harness.py in lib/canonical/database [11:07] sabdfl: I'm in an interview... [11:08] ok === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad [11:28] SteveA: I'm using Feisty in my home server, which I use to play movies and yes, sound works [11:33] SteveA: something like a sound bug is very machine-specific, generally not across all systems [11:41] sure. I installed feisty on a girlfriend's computer. she was so pleased with it she came around with some wine and cooked for me. [11:42] I didn't tell her the install was a breeze :-) [11:45] SteveA: lol [12:00] stub around? [12:00] dayem [12:01] s/"bones heal and chicks love scars"/"ubuntu rocks and chicks love capable geeks"/ === jamesh [n=james@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === cprov [n=cprov@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [12:09] good morning ! === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #launchpad [12:23] sabdfl: I don't know how to put a python script into interactive mode other than using +i. There may be a way. I'd do it using this as the first line: [12:23] #!/usr/bin/python2.4 -i [12:24] or #!/usr/bin/env python2.4 -i [12:24] you can only include one argument on a #! line [12:24] that way, you'll be able to execute ./harness.py and have it work [12:24] iirc [12:24] jamesh: I just tried out the first example [12:25] maybe it's one of those useful non-standard bash things [12:25] there seems to be "make harness" in the toplevel too [12:25] SteveA: well, the #! line gets interpreted by the kernel [12:25] bash isn't involved [12:25] wow [12:26] mpt: ping [12:26] (SteveA: In case I'm not here right now, tell me about what you want, and I'll reply when I'm available.) [12:26] mpt: ping [12:26] (SteveA: In case I'm not here right now, tell me about what you want, and I'll reply when I'm available.) [12:26] cool [12:26] mpt is a robot [12:26] mpt: I want a voice call. === mrevell [n=matthew@62-31-78-42.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [12:34] SteveA, jamesh: thank you! harness mod worked perfectly [12:35] New bug: #86679 in launchpad "tabs not clickable (beta)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86679 === cbx33 [i=c2df514b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-a7c224bf5b3d7192] has joined #launchpad [12:38] forgive me if this comment causes a stir. I just was using the beta LP in IE6, yes I know where was firefox :p but I was on a friends machine updating a bug report..... [12:38] however, I found it very bug ridden [12:38] is it likely to be fixed to be compatible? - I just feel that we always moan at prop companies for not making things compatible....then we do the same :S [12:41] cbx33: please report bugs about the problems you encounter === zwnj [n=behnam@194.225.70.57] has joined #launchpad === zwnj [n=behnam@194.225.70.57] has joined #launchpad === ddaa [n=david@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad [12:46] jamesh ok cool === jml [n=jml@59.167.202.65] has joined #launchpad === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.13.96.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad [01:14] stub: hi, did you have time to check the archive-rework DB patch ? [01:15] cprov: No - looks like a big one. I suspect I've seen it before though. [01:15] stub: yes, you're right the basics have been already discussed === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #launchpad [01:16] stub: but we would like to know your opinion about a strategy to land it in a short-term [01:16] stub: maybe w/o the code (with suitable default values) === spiv [n=andrew@86.228.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #launchpad [01:20] cprov: I thought the email said post-feisty? === aamachu [n=ircont9k@cpe-024-088-009-063.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad [01:42] hi [01:42] I am sri ramadas [01:42] i was recently approved with membership of Ubuntu [01:42] aamachu: hello [01:43] can some help me in getting @ubuntu.com email id [01:43] bac, Hi [01:45] aamachu: I suggest you ask on the IRC channel of your local ubuntu community [01:47] ddaa, Thanks === jinty [n=jinty@66.208.16.135] has joined #launchpad === carlos -> lunch === jamesh [n=james@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === cprov [n=cprov@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [02:09] stub: sorry, power outage over here === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.68.74] has joined #launchpad [02:10] stub: yes, I mentioned "post-feisty" for opening the feature in production, but having the DB in place before it would be nice. [02:13] cprov: It needs to land with code updates though, doesn't it? A load of NOT NULL columns with no defaults. [02:14] part of the problem is that archive-rework contains two fairly independent changes [02:14] stub: that's the point, maybe you could help us to modify the DB patch to set proper default values, so it could be landed w/o the code [02:15] (a) the soyuz queue table renaming, and (b) the archive columns [02:15] if we were just doing (b), it could probably get rolled out with a default value of whatever Ubuntu's archive is [02:16] in fact, for (b) the webapp code could remain unchanged, since it never creates rows that are picking up an archive column [02:17] We can force Ubuntu's archive to be 1 (it already will, but we should do it explicitly) [02:17] but (a) is more problematic, especially since we'd need to update both production and beta [02:18] Then it is just a case of setting DEFAULT=1 on the relevant columns, and remove them when we need to land PPA to confirm everything is indeed being set correctly. [02:18] Do you want a call or do this via IRC? [02:19] an evil idea of how to handle (a) without updating the webapp is to leave the tables as they are and create updatable views with the new table names [02:19] or vice versa [02:21] stub: I don't have my headset handy, so it might be easy to stay on IRC [02:22] in pagetests where i am swapping between users, do i need to do anything to switch user other than a new round of: [02:22] browser.addHeader("Authorization", "...") [02:22] browser.open('http://...') [02:22] ? [02:22] stub: to be honest, I don't really see much advantage in spending time land the DB patch only, basically because the migration procedure is very simple. [02:23] jamesh: I have already done that with the RevisionNumber table [02:23] okay [02:23] put differently, i have a test that seems to be failing, and when i look at the browser.contents it's because the person logged in is not the person I put in the addHeader, it's the person from the tests above that [02:23] But I agree with cprov that we are best of waiting until the code is ready to land. I see little advantage to landing the db work early [02:24] stub: one nice bit is that these tables are only updated by the soyuz code rather than the webapp, so it doesn't necessarily have to be an updatable view [02:25] jamesh, cprov: If data migration time is a problem, give me the output run with \timing. The UPDATES in particular can be made more efficient. [02:25] jamesh: not really, $distrorelease/+queue modifies DRQ table. [02:25] cprov: ah. forgot about that bit ... [02:25] (UPDATE FROM rather than UPDATE and a subselect [02:26] stub: the entire patch takes about 25 minutes in mawson, IIRC [02:26] jamesh: ^ w.r.t. switching users in a page test? [02:26] stub: on a snapshot of 16th Jan [02:27] sabdfl: usually it is best to create a new Browser object [02:27] stub: so, it's probably worth to improve performance. [02:27] sabdfl: addHeader() doesn't replace old headers [02:27] aha [02:27] that would do it [02:28] so is "browser" just a useful starting one that's there at the beginning of each pagetest? [02:28] stub: fyi: for the rosetta migration scripts, we found we could do "ALTER TABLE foo ADD COLUMN bar, ADD COLUMN baz", which was faster than two alter table calls [02:28] sabdfl: yep [02:30] it's ok to overwrite it with a new "browser"? browser = Browser()? [02:30] sure. It is just a variable [02:30] cool, thanks === krau [n=cktakaha@200.184.118.132] has joined #launchpad [02:31] cprov: Ok. The two queries on https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileydwo9l.html and should show you how to update the other UPDATEs. [02:31] jamesh: Huh. I didn't realize you could do that :) [02:31] stub: very nice, thank you [02:31] As long as it isn't PostgreSQL 8.2 specific yet [02:32] stub: well, I have 8.1 on my box so it can't be 8.2 specific :0 [02:33] stub: you can add or remove as many columns or constraints as you want in a single alter table call [02:33] excellent. I purged 8.1 testing update procedures so can't test atm :) [02:33] and adding two columns seemed approximately as fast as adding one column [02:34] It would be - the time is rewriting every row in the db I think, and it wouldn't matter how much has changed (only the change in width of the data) [02:36] of course, in the rosetta case, the "create a new table then rename" strategy turned out to be even faster [02:40] New bug: #86701 in malone "the X-launchpad-bug header is missing information, why I got the mail" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86701 [02:42] Service notice === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db44245.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #launchpad [02:42] We have some disruption in the branch hosting service at the moment. === zwnj [n=behnam@194.225.70.57] has joined #launchpad [02:43] You are still able to upload data to launchpad with sftp, but updates are not published to the http side [02:44] I'm on it, and will deploy a temporary fix within the day. [02:44] All my flattest apologies for the inconvenience. === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #launchpad === BugMaN [n=BugMaN@nat.cabi.uniroma1.it] has joined #launchpad === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable252.1-202-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === arnason [n=jircii@157-157-196-133.dsl.dynamic.simnet.is] has joined #launchpad === jkakar [n=jkakar@dhcp65-74-231-107.addi.dal.wayport.net] has joined #launchpad === marfix [n=marfix@213.144.142.54] has joined #launchpad === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@dhcp65-74-231-89.addi.dal.wayport.net] has joined #launchpad [03:26] New bug: #30369 in malone "malone frontpage should have search option" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30369 [03:29] Service notice [03:29] The problem with the branch hosting service has been resolved. [03:30] Now, you should be able to enjoy less than 2 minutes of latency between an upload to sftp and the publication of the data to http. [03:31] I will poke the database to do a final run on all branches, so those which where modified this morning will be updated. [03:35] New bug: #86714 in malone "Don't display "(upstream)" for products in bug listings" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86714 [03:45] New bug: #86716 in malone "Too much detail in bug listings portlets" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86716 === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.250] has joined #launchpad [03:50] well done ddaa [03:51] sabdfl: still some work to do for SteveA demo [03:51] the branch scanner still needs improvement [03:51] but it's getting there :) [03:52] Service notice: all hosted branches have been updated. Everything is back in line now. [03:53] we need an effective trigger mechanism, so when one thing happens it can trigger something else [03:53] without creating security holes [03:53] that way, it can cascade out nicely [03:53] sabdfl: the dogfooding work will help this [03:54] since we need an xmlrpc interface to do the branch-scanning remotely [03:54] we'll be able to do it from vostok [03:54] mh [03:55] yeah, the plan is to have people upload to a smart server so 1. we can write directly to the public data 2. we have a handy hook to update the database through xmlrpc after the branch is updated [03:56] the xmlrpc protocol will need a bit of tuning to be efficient, but once that's done, that can be as fast as materially possible. === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #launchpad [04:19] in other words, they push and voila, it's available, and seconds later it's in the UI too? perfect. [04:19] that's the idea [04:19] as usual, the devil's in the details === neversfelde_ [n=chrman@nrbg-4db440a3.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #launchpad [04:25] New bug: #86737 in launchpad-bazaar "lib/canonical/authserver/client/twistedclient.py has no tests" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86737 === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #launchpad [04:31] what does fix commited actually mean? [04:31] a fix has been commited to a bzr branch? [04:31] for launchpad, it means that the fix was committed on the mainline [04:31] ddaa mainline? [04:31] and will be put online on the next major upgrade [04:32] so if I'm an upstream author of a pacakge [04:32] cbx33: the main branch used for launchpad development, called rocketfuel [04:32] and I've just fixed the bug [04:32] and pushed the bzr branch to lp [04:32] cbx33: ha, I guess that's a matter of policy for your project [04:32] ok [04:32] what _we_ use for [04:32] well then it's commited ;) [04:32] is to mark that the fix was committed on the branch that's used to make releases [04:33] most projects have a trunk, or "official" main branch of some sort [04:33] yeh [04:33] cbx33: in launchpad parlance, that would typically be the branch of the "development focus" series. [04:33] i spoke in here earlier about bugs with L and Ie6 [04:33] and was told to make bug reports [04:33] s/L/LP [04:33] i know, i know, yuk IE6 [04:34] i was usig a friends machine and needed to make a few bug comments [04:34] the experience was not pleseant [04:34] cbx33: the ubuntu philosophies says that people with disabilities should have equal access to the information. [04:34] my feelings exactly [04:34] I think that IE6 can be considered a disability for all practical purposes :) [04:34] so you want me to bug everything I find [04:34] indeed it can [04:35] cbx33: filing bugs (as long as they are actual, useful bug reports) is the surest way to get traction on what you want to get fixed. [04:36] nagging the relevant people sometimes help as well, but it's not like we spend our twiddling our thumbs... [04:36] * not like we spend our days [04:37] of course [04:37] that's why i didn't know if IE6 was a known bug [04:37] personally I use FF so i don't care about IE6 [04:37] so do I [04:38] I'm just thinking of the ubu philosophy as you put it [04:39] OTOH, if you cannot reproduce the problem, you may not be the best person to file the bug... [04:41] well my wife uses IE so maybe i still can [04:41] and we have ie6 at work === ddaa -> lunch === glatzor [n=sebi@p54967448.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad === lbm [n=lbm@0x555373ab.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #launchpad === medders_ [n=matt@unaffiliated/medders] has joined #launchpad === medders_ is now known as medders === raigl [n=Rainer@p548B12B9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #launchpad [05:22] cbx33: mpt is the person to bug [05:22] ok sabdfl, thanks, not sure how high up it was on the LP list of priorities [05:24] when i get a chance I'll try to bug report some of the errors I saw [05:26] cbx33: i guess there are a few big items that affect every page [05:26] can't open the beta properly till it works in IE6&7 [05:27] mpt & SteveA: IE compatibility is a perfect Brilliant job [05:28] sabdfl, right, I'll start bugging, the biggest I saw was the help pullout [05:28] it was already pulled out....and on clicking it flewdown to the bottom of the page...but still pulled out [05:28] I'll bug em in a sec [05:28] working on tcm fixing right now ;) [05:29] should I assign the bugs in LP to anyone in particular? [05:30] mpt === Louie` [n=Louie@unaffiliated/louie/x-000001] has joined #launchpad [05:30] Hello, how do I deactivate mails from launchpad when I have reported a bug === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #launchpad [05:31] ok will do.....thank you for the info sabdfl [05:33] I got alot of unimportant mails every day [05:35] New bug: #86757 in malone "bug page includes product details portlet, but user can't expand it" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86757 [05:36] Louie`: you say that you reported a bug, but you do not want to receive any mail concerning this bug? [05:39] ddaa thats correct. [05:39] Louie`: check the bug page, there should be a portlet (a little box on one side) listing the subscribers [05:39] that should list your name [05:40] then you should be able to unsubscribe from the bug, by clicking "Unsubscribe" in the second portlet on the left column. [05:41] though, fire-and-forget bug reporting is not exactly a good practice... [05:42] people working on the bug often post comments on the bug asking questions to the bug reporter, and if they are not answered, the bug just gets ignored. [05:43] Sorry but Im unable to answer questions about buggs Ive reported. Im trying to give a good story about what I did to get the bug comming up [05:44] Louie`: I'm not the right person to apologize to :) [05:44] I'm just a launchpad hand. [05:44] ;] [05:44] ddaa hmmz, chall I press my name in the upper right corner of the screen and then press bugs or just push it on the start page? [05:45] Louie`: the bug is unlikely to get fixed if you, or someone else affected by it, won't read email related to it [05:45] Louie`: the url of the bug page is in every bug mail [05:45] just click on it from your mail client [05:45] ddaa oh, thanks, Ill take a look right now [05:45] if you don't care about it enough to read mail, the devs are unlikely to care enough to look at it [05:46] Louie`: sometimes there will be a piece of information that you don't consider important about the bug report, but the developer does [05:46] Louie`: if they can't contact you, they may not be able to solve the bug report [05:46] furthermore, you won't know when the problem has been fixed [05:47] that's the rationale for subscribing the reporter [05:48] (of course, in some cases it may make sense to unsubscribe from a bug you reported, and that is possible) [05:48] thanks alot [05:50] jamesh: is there any reason why bugmail does not have a "two clicks to unsubscribe" link? [05:50] like "To stop receiving mail about this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/etc/foo/bar/+unsubscribe [05:54] ddaa: I don't think we've got stable unsubscribe links, which is one reason ... [05:54] actually, the unsubscribe link should work even if the package changes product [05:54] so that isn't a reason [05:54] probably worth bringing up on the list [05:55] jamesh: care to do it? === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #launchpad [] === medders [n=matt@unaffiliated/medders] has joined #launchpad === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #launchpad === flacoste is now known as flacoste_lunch === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ppp-106-110.25-151.libero.it] has joined #launchpad === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad === raigl [n=Rainer@p548B12B9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #launchpad === flacoste_lunch is now known as flacoste === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-104-007.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad === shawn__ [n=shawn@netblock-68-183-69-197.dslextreme.com] has joined #launchpad === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has left #launchpad ["Leaving"] === jml_ [n=jml@59.167.202.65] has joined #launchpad === mrevell_ [n=matthew@62-31-78-42.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === mrevell_ is now known as mrev-lap === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #launchpad === marcus_notebook [n=mholthau@johnny33.dersbach.ch] has joined #launchpad [08:01] ddaa, see bug 3797 [08:01] Malone bug 3797 in malone "Bug mails should explain why the person is getting emailed." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/3797 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt) [08:01] mpt: slightly different I guess [08:01] mpt: we sometimes get people here who just want to stop receiving mail [08:02] and either know, or do not care, why they were receiving it [08:02] really, what they are looking for is an "unsubscribe" link in the email. [08:02] yes [08:02] and of course, it should Just Work [08:03] duh... this email is too long for me to read at the moment [08:03] well, not quite [08:03] It should link to a page containing a button that Just Works [08:03] I trust you to preach the gospel of no-nonsense UI :) [08:03] mpt: yes [08:03] mpt: what I meant by "two clicks unsubscribe" [08:03] one to get to the page [08:03] one to confirm [08:04] yah [08:04] s/this email/this bug/ === ddaa goes back at reading code written by a billion monkeys [08:07] mpt: you up early, or late? === shawn__ [n=shawn@netblock-68-183-69-197.dslextreme.com] has joined #launchpad [08:12] sabdfl, early :-) === doko_ is now known as doko [08:26] alrighty then [08:26] mpt: i thought i was spend the evening making [trivial] text changes etc [08:26] is there a branch of yours I can start with so as not to conflict with any similar changes from you? [08:26] or are you all landed up? === lsproc [n=lsproc@cpc4-stap1-0-0-cust976.nott.cable.ntl.com] has joined #launchpad [08:27] Is there any member of the launchpad team who can give me a hand? [08:29] sabdfl, all landed up at the moment [08:30] lsproc: ask away, will help if we can [08:30] sabdfl, Im new to launchpad, so when I was adding a release, I kinda messed it up a bit [08:30] no worries [08:31] that part of the system isn't very clear [08:31] I have 2 releases called 1.0a1, so its hard to tell the difference, and one just isn't meant to be there :P [08:31] what do you need fixed? [08:31] project? [08:31] hang on [08:32] https://launchpad.net/swishcms/swishnews/1.0a1 << thats the one that shouldnt be there [08:33] https://launchpad.net/swishcms/swishcontent/1.0a1 << and that should become SwishCONTENT 1.0a1, so its easier to tell the difference when others DO come [08:33] is there actually a swishnews release? [08:33] not yet [08:34] thats something i am planning [08:34] i'm trying to understand things here [08:34] do you actually have TWO products? [08:34] just one, the other is in planning [08:34] a productseries is like a "major version" [08:34] right [08:34] hmm [08:34] we need to clean this up [08:34] yeah === lsproc obiviously got mislead :P [08:35] our fault [08:35] what would you call the whole group of products? [08:35] well [08:35] swishcms? [08:35] yeah [08:35] ok [08:36] and then you have one product called swishcontent [08:36] yes [08:36] and one called swishnews? === zwnj [n=behnam@213.207.210.231] has joined #launchpad [08:36] are there ANY releases of either? [08:36]