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| Strom_C | hey guys, sorry if this is the wrong channel, but I've been asking this question in #ubuntu all day and gotten no help: What is the exact procedure that ubuntu uses to auto-determine video settings when starting the livecd, and is it possible to invoke that procedure post-install? I'm trying to create a partition image which is fairly portable across machines. | 03:17 |
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| Strom_C | I guess it's happy hour at the bar :) | 03:29 |
| jdong | or everyone is asleep :) | 03:38 |
| Strom_C | for some reason, I ddidn't expect all 172 people in here to be in russia | 03:39 |
| bddebian | Or doesn't know the answer ;-) | 03:39 |
| Strom_C | i'm surprised that no one knows the answer to this one | 03:40 |
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| ScottK | Strom_C: Your best bet is to look at the source. I don't know either. | 03:51 |
| Strom_C | ScottK: I've been grepping and googling and trying things for eighteen hours now | 03:51 |
| ScottK | Sorry I can't help. | 03:52 |
| Strom_C | thanks anyway :) | 03:53 |
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| ScottK | Strom_C: The good news is that can only go on so long. | 03:53 |
| Strom_C | well, at least until you add minoxidil into the equation :D | 03:53 |
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| jdong | Strom_C: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical xserver-xorg | 03:56 |
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| jdong | Strom_C: you can adjust critical to low, medium, or high, each setting asking fewer questions than before | 03:56 |
| Strom_C | jdong: I have tried two dozen variants of dpkg-reconfigure and NONE of them produce the same results as the livecd's automatic process | 03:57 |
| jdong | low probably is the version used by the dept. homeland security when they confiscate your laptop.... | 03:57 |
| jdong | Strom_C: that is exactly what the livecd runs. It sometimes helps to move your old xorg.conf out of the way | 03:57 |
| Strom_C | having dpkg-reconfigure ask any questions is unacceptable for this application | 03:57 |
| jdong | -pcritical is what the livecd uses. | 03:57 |
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| Strom_C | alright, let me give this one another go | 03:57 |
| jdong | Strom_C: if you're reasonably fluent in reading bash scripts, grab the source of 'casper' | 03:58 |
| jdong | and look at /scripts/casper-bottom | 03:58 |
| Strom_C | nope, xorg won't start | 03:59 |
| jdong | 20xconfig mainly | 03:59 |
| Strom_C | jdong: I looked at that one already, actually | 03:59 |
| Strom_C | but my bash script fluency isn't all that good | 03:59 |
| Strom_C | if dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical xserver-xorg is what the livecd runs, then why are the results different when run from an installed system with X not running? | 04:00 |
| jdong | "casper-reconfigure /root xserver-xorg" | 04:01 |
| jdong | yeah it simply calls reconfigure xserver-xorg | 04:01 |
| jdong | with a noninteractive debconf | 04:01 |
| Strom_C | yeah, i've tried -fnoninteractive too | 04:01 |
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| jdong | have you tried comparing the xorg.conf the livecd generates | 04:01 |
| jdong | vs this command's? | 04:01 |
| Strom_C | yep | 04:01 |
| jdong | it should be identical | 04:01 |
| Strom_C | they're completely different | 04:01 |
| jdong | runcommandinroot "$root" dpkg-reconfigure -fnoninteractive --no-reload "$package" | 04:02 |
| jdong | that's what casper-reconfigure reduces to | 04:02 |
| jdong | so -fnoninteractive --no-reload | 04:02 |
| Strom_C | nope, still different from what the livecd generates | 04:03 |
| Strom_C | fwiw, the livecd actually detects my video hardware and monitor, whereas all flavors of dpkg-reconfigure give me VESA and a generic monitor | 04:04 |
| jdong | hmm weird | 04:04 |
| Strom_C | yeah | 04:04 |
| jdong | is this a stock installed system? or have you changed/added/removed packages | 04:05 |
| jdong | or activated some different configuraiton? | 04:05 |
| Strom_C | the only things I've done have been to throw a few tarballs in /usr/src, install a few dependencies, and add the "universe" repository to apt-get. | 04:05 |
| jdong | hmm that shouldn't affect things | 04:07 |
| Strom_C | yeah, this is close enough to default that it shouldn't matter | 04:07 |
| jdong | all the times I've tried -pcritical generates an identical X config to xorg.conf | 04:07 |
| Strom_C | well, i'm trying the same image in two environments: a boring low-end Dell machine and a VM in "Parallels Desktop" on os x | 04:08 |
| Strom_C | the reconfigure works fine in the VM, but not on the Dell, though I suspect that the VM's virtual hardware is fairly genericized for compatibility | 04:09 |
| jdong | then there's someting weird going on with that dell.... | 04:09 |
| jdong | all my systems reconfigure correctly | 04:10 |
| Strom_C | yeah, but the thing is that the livecd configures it perfectly | 04:10 |
| jdong | that's definitely weird | 04:10 |
| Strom_C | and if I'm going to take this image to various training centers to use as the lab environment for a technical training course, I kind of want it to work reasonably well in as-yet-unknown environments :) | 04:11 |
| Strom_C | i wonder if the livecd loads some other environment settings | 04:13 |
| Strom_C | this is supremely irritating | 04:17 |
| jdong | Strom_C: you'd want to find a time when cjwatson is around.... | 04:19 |
| jdong | probably like 12h from now | 04:19 |
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| Strom_C | alright....cool | 04:20 |
| Strom_C | thanks for your help :) | 04:20 |
| jdong | np | 04:21 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 07:53 |
| LaserJock | pitti: good morning | 07:55 |
| LaserJock | pitti: I don't suppose you'd have time to look at qcad and qalculate MIRs? | 07:56 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 07:56 |
| pitti | LaserJock: ah, can do today after finishing php | 07:56 |
| pitti | LaserJock: please just keep poking me :) | 07:56 |
| pitti | LaserJock: hmm, I actually remember looking at qalculate | 07:56 |
| LaserJock | pitti: oh? | 07:57 |
| pitti | LaserJock: Dependencies: most not yet in main | 07:57 |
| pitti | LaserJock: ^ these need to be listed and get MIRs filed/approved | 07:57 |
| pitti | LaserJock: from a three-second inspection, qcad report looks fine, will process it soon | 07:58 |
| LaserJock | pitti: oh sorry about qalculate, I thought I had fixed that, oops | 07:59 |
| LaserJock | qalculate need cln, libgd, and gnuplot | 08:01 |
| pitti | LaserJock: libgd? literally? we made great efforts to throw this out and only keep libgd2 | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | pitti: I'll have to dig a bit deeper but I think it's actually libgd2 | 08:05 |
| LaserJock | which is already in Main | 08:05 |
| LaserJock | I'll have to double check that | 08:05 |
| pitti | gd2 is fine | 08:05 |
| viviersf | soz to bother, but whos in charge of building the -desktop cds ? | 08:06 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 08:07 |
| pitti | hey dholbach | 08:12 |
| pitti | asac: here? | 08:12 |
| dholbach | hey pitti | 08:12 |
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| Mithrandir | viviersf: I tend to do it, why? | 09:03 |
| viviersf | im trying to see how brand spanking new isos get generated | 09:05 |
| mneptok | magical pixies that live under Mithrandir's floorboards. | 09:07 |
| Mithrandir | actually, they live underneath the floor in the DC, not in my house. | 09:07 |
| infinity | They're not that magical either. | 09:08 |
| LaserJock | just ordinary pixies? | 09:08 |
| Mithrandir | viviersf: roughly: debootstrap ; apt-get install $packages ; mksquashfs ; mkisofs | 09:09 |
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| mdke | is bug 76632 actually fixed? I still can't unlock my screensaver... anyone seeing that? | 09:12 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 76632 in gnome-screensaver "screen does not unlock after locking" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76632 | 09:12 |
| Strom_M | Mithrandir, if one does those steps, will packages you apt-get install be automagically installed while the installer runs? | 09:12 |
| Strom_M | or is there more scripting jiggerypokery one needs to do | 09:13 |
| Mithrandir | Strom_M: ubiquity just copies the file system off the CD. | 09:13 |
| Strom_M | awesome | 09:14 |
| Mithrandir | you want to make sure all the bits ubiquity expects to be there are there though. | 09:14 |
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| Strom_M | right; i was just planning on supplementing the basic install | 09:14 |
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| viviersf | Mithrandir, you got a script that does all that by any change, i can do it that way, just what does all the default configs of pam etc ? | 09:20 |
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| Mithrandir | viviersf: yes, we have such a script, no, we are not giving it out, sorry. There's a customisation howto on the wiki. | 09:22 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: is there a way to look from drescher what happened to some binary packages? libgoocanvas1 (binary NEW) is available for 4 archs, according to launchpad it built on sparc yesterday evening but the binary is not to the queue | 09:30 |
| viviersf | Mithrandir, thx btw | 09:31 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: it probably got lost in failed-to-move; try rerunning ~lp_buildd/reprocess-failed-to-move (as lp_buildd) | 09:33 |
| seb128 | ok, thank you | 09:35 |
| Strom_C | stupid question: does the install cd customization process apply only to the server cd, or can I customize the desktop livecd using the same procedure? | 09:36 |
| Strom_C | the instructions are a touch ambiguous on that one | 09:36 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: that solved it, thanks | 09:38 |
| LaserJock | pitti: do you have any script to check if a packages deps are not in Main | 09:38 |
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| seb128 | pitti: could you review libxcb today (binaries are to NEW atm) for main promotion? it's part of the xorg 7.2 stack and blocks libx11 update | 09:41 |
| viviersf | hmmmk Mithrandir | 09:43 |
| Mithrandir | Strom_C: there are two sets of instructions. You want the one which concerns itself with live cds. | 09:43 |
| Strom_C | Mithrandir: ah ok, I didn't see that one - looks much easier than the other set of instructions :) | 09:46 |
| Strom_C | thanks | 09:46 |
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| slomo | pitti: hi :) can you take a look at the ndesk-dbus and ndesk-dbus-glib main inclusion reports? should be fairly fast to review and we have the code itself in main already anyway (in other packages) ;) | 09:52 |
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| pitti | LaserJock: no, I don't | 10:05 |
| pitti | seb128: can do right now | 10:05 |
| pitti | slomo: right, I remember; will do | 10:05 |
| seb128 | pitti: danke | 10:05 |
| LaserJock | pitti: ok, np. I've got a script but it doesn't handle |'s very well | 10:05 |
| pitti | seb128: fun; libxcb already was in warty and hoary - welcome back :) | 10:06 |
| seb128 | ;) | 10:06 |
| mneptok | has there been any talk about making apps like Azureus and Frost/Limewire depend on sun-java*-jre in the future? | 10:08 |
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| doko | mneptok: why? to move it to multiverse? | 10:09 |
| mneptok | doko: because Java apps depending on GCJ are breaking all over the place. | 10:10 |
| mneptok | AFAIK, the GCJ dependency was only because GCJ is free. | 10:10 |
| pitti | seb128: wow, designed to replace Xlib? I guess 25 years of API stability are enough :-P | 10:10 |
| doko | mneptok: please file bug reports | 10:10 |
| seb128 | pitti: ;) | 10:10 |
| cjwatson | pitti: it doesn't break API or ABI | 10:11 |
| seb128 | pitti: there is a new libx11-xcb with it | 10:11 |
| pitti | cjwatson: ah, it's the same API, just a reimplementation for thread safety and other goodies? | 10:11 |
| seb128 | pitti: well, new libx11 has the standard libx11-6 and a new libx11-xcb | 10:12 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: it's also so toolkits can use raw X11 instead of Xlib and thereby get better performance. | 10:12 |
| cjwatson | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XCB links to some papers | 10:12 |
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| pitti | right, the package description is pretty interesting | 10:12 |
| doko | mneptok: and you may want to check out deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ubuntu/ feisty/$(ARCH)/ | 10:13 |
| doko | deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ubuntu/ feisty/all/ | 10:13 |
| cjwatson | http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix04/tech/freenix/full_papers/sharp/sharp_html/index.html was the one I read a while back | 10:13 |
| Mithrandir | doko: zope 3.3.1 looks good; approved. | 10:14 |
| doko | Mithrandir, cjwatson: who should get the approval emails in the future? | 10:15 |
| Mithrandir | doko: I, until I get ubuntu-release@lists set up, then it should go there. | 10:16 |
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| Mithrandir | I'm considering if we should move towards the same model used for SRUs and such though. | 10:16 |
| doko | Mithrandir: ok, mdz did forward you another one for sqlite3 | 10:17 |
| Mithrandir | doko: yes, I'm looking at it right now | 10:17 |
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| slomo | pitti: thanks :) | 10:18 |
| pitti | seb128: libxcb promoted to main and NEWed | 10:20 |
| === seb128 hugs pitti, thank you | ||
| slomo | pitti: yay, xcb :) | 10:20 |
| pitti | slomo: right, I saw some new build deps on ndesk on -changes | 10:20 |
| pitti | slomo: so libdbus-1-cil is obsolete? | 10:21 |
| pitti | slomo: and/or dbus-sharp in general? | 10:21 |
| Mithrandir | doko: sqlite approved. | 10:21 |
| slomo | pitti: it is since ~1 year already... there just was no better alternative until today ;) dbus-sharp can go to universe and the last rdep is already ported to ndesk-dbus upstream, i'm only waiting for a release | 10:22 |
| pitti | slomo: ah, great; would be nice to demote it for feisty | 10:22 |
| givre | seb128: could you please reject ntfs-config from NEW, i have a new version waiting in REVU | 10:22 |
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| seb128 | givre: no need to reject it, just upload the new version and it'll be superseded | 10:22 |
| pitti | slomo: in fact, nothing in main depends on it | 10:22 |
| slomo | pitti: it's already on the anastacia demotion list | 10:22 |
| slomo | pitti: yes, the only rdep is in universe (gshare) | 10:23 |
| pitti | slomo: right, will kick it right now | 10:23 |
| givre | seb128: ok, bddebian wasn't sure. thanks | 10:23 |
| Mithrandir | Riddell: where can I find the KDE release schedule? | 10:23 |
| seb128 | slomo: BTW the gnome-user-share change you did for Debian is not good for Ubuntu? | 10:23 |
| pitti | slomo: there it goes :) | 10:23 |
| seb128 | slomo: the apache config one | 10:23 |
| slomo | seb128: it is, we need it... i'll file all remaining sync requests today, that's the next point on my todo list :) | 10:24 |
| seb128 | slomo: ok | 10:24 |
| seb128 | I was surprised that you didn't ask for a sync nor uploaded to Ubuntu | 10:24 |
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| pitti | slomo: btw, would you mind improving the package description a bit? "ndesk-dbus is a C# implementation of D-Bus." sounds like reimplementing dbus-daemon, when it is in fact reimplementing the client library | 10:25 |
| pitti | slomo: when I read that the first time I thought "d'oh, just what the world needs..." | 10:25 |
| Mithrandir | Riddell: never mind; I found it. | 10:25 |
| slomo | pitti: well, until now its only a client implementation... but a daemon is planned too ;) although i doubt someone will really use it as default | 10:26 |
| slomo | pitti: i'll change the description with the next upload | 10:26 |
| pitti | slomo: thanks | 10:26 |
| pitti | slomo: I want a dbus daemon written entirely in posix shell | 10:27 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: no, you don't. | 10:27 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: sorry, working on php for too long causes irreversible brain damage | 10:27 |
| slomo | pitti: oh... go for it, should be interesting :) | 10:27 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: so you clearly want a dbusd written in php? | 10:28 |
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| pitti | uuarrrgh | 10:28 |
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| Treenaks | Mithrandir: ooh! great idea! I'll start writing immediately | 10:28 |
| slomo | pitti: btw, apport still complains about crashing mono in feisty :/ | 10:30 |
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| pitti | slomo: can you give me a test case? kill -SEGV'ing f-spot or tomboy didn't work | 10:31 |
| slomo | pitti: not really, but i saw bugreports from crashing beagle... | 10:31 |
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| === ajmitch saw one from f-spot earlier today | ||
| slomo | seb128: hm, seems to be the only important thing i didn't sync/upload yet | 10:35 |
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| seb128 | ok, good ;) | 10:35 |
| seb128 | slomo: I can sync it now if you want | 10:35 |
| slomo | seb128: btw, will you update gstreamer core and plugins-base to a new cvs snapshot soon? or wait until the releases? | 10:35 |
| seb128 | slomo: I was going to ping Mithrandir about that today | 10:35 |
| seb128 | let's do that now | 10:35 |
| slomo | seb128: would be nice, sync request is bug #86663 | 10:35 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 86663 in gnome-user-share "Please sync gnome-user-share 0.10-4 from debian/unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86663 | 10:36 |
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| seb128 | re | 10:43 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: did you read what I was writting before the split? | 10:43 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: the gnome-user-share one doesn't require UVF exception. | 10:47 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: what's new and shiny in the new gstreamer bits? | 10:47 |
| seb128 | what did you read before the split? | 10:48 |
| seb128 | let's copy again | 10:48 |
| seb128 | <seb128> Mithrandir: gstreamer upstream did some changes for easy codec installation (basically they moved libgimme-codec to gst-plugins-base0.10), the new totem tarball has its code updated for that change | 10:48 |
| seb128 | mitsuhiko Mithrandir | 10:48 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: new gst tarballs are coming next week, would it be ok to update the CVS snapshots we have today and update to new versions next week? | 10:48 |
| seb128 | well | 10:48 |
| seb128 | lot of bug fixes, probably some new feature | 10:48 |
| seb128 | what I'm interested in is the EasyCodecInstall bits | 10:48 |
| Mithrandir | hm, that's interesting, yes. | 10:48 |
| Mithrandir | ok, go for it. | 10:48 |
| seb128 | thank you | 10:48 |
| seb128 | and we have a CVS snapshot atm already so it's probably a good idea to upgrade to next tarball anyway | 10:49 |
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| slomo | Mithrandir: can you also take a look at the dbus-glib (#84932) and liferea (#86596) uvf exceptions? both are mostly bugfix releases | 10:52 |
| seb128 | doko: could you get an UVF exception for bug #84820 | 10:54 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 84820 in Ubuntu "sync request" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84820 | 10:54 |
| seb128 | fastjar sync request | 10:54 |
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| Mithrandir | slomo: both approved. | 10:55 |
| slomo | Mithrandir: thanks :) | 10:55 |
| seb128 | dholbach, slomo: if MOTU UVF is still assigned to a bug does it mean it's not ready to be processed yet? | 10:56 |
| seb128 | https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kphotoalbum/+bug/85103 | 10:56 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 85103 in kphotoalbum "please sync kphotoalbum [universe] from Debian experimental [main] " [Undecided,Confirmed] | 10:56 |
| doko | seb128: hmm, I'll close the report, it's not necessary | 10:57 |
| seb128 | doko: ok, thank you | 10:57 |
| slomo | seb128: no that's fine... if the bug is set to confirmed it's approved | 10:58 |
| seb128 | ok | 10:58 |
| sabdfl | seb128: had the same screensaver login issue again yesterday, is that fixed now? | 11:09 |
| seb128 | sabdfl: yes, we changed the location to /var/run/gdm_socket and it'll stay there now and I've updated the package using it to check the edgy and the feisty sockets so it should not break edgy upgrades | 11:09 |
| sabdfl | cool - thanks seb128 | 11:12 |
| seb128 | np | 11:12 |
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| doko | do we have any meta package for beryl, or just close beryl bug reports? | 12:05 |
| Mithrandir | we don't have beryl in the archive. | 12:05 |
| pitti | beryl-manager - Tray application launcher tool for Beryl | 12:05 |
| pitti | but nothing else | 12:05 |
| pitti | (and because of that it's uninstallable) | 12:06 |
| Mithrandir | given that the rest of it wasn't distributable, I rejected it and nobody's uploaded a new version. | 12:06 |
| StevenK | Beryl isn't distrubutable? Neat. | 12:06 |
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| pitti | StevenK: no, it killed the eyes of too many people, thus falls under the WMD category (Windows of Mass Distraction) | 12:07 |
| StevenK | Hah | 12:07 |
| Mithrandir | it includes compiled files without sources. | 12:07 |
| StevenK | Neat. | 12:08 |
| sabdfl | pitti: it may yet emerge as the stronger system, ui wise | 12:08 |
| Mithrandir | oh, and some of the files there doesn't have a free compiler either, so they'd have to go to multiverse. | 12:08 |
| pitti | sabdfl: I agree; at least I noticed that compiz sucks hard ATM | 12:08 |
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| Lathiat | what the hell does beryl needs thats compiled and/or non-free? | 12:08 |
| seb128 | doko: I reject beryl bugs saying to people to send the bug to the people making the package they are using | 12:08 |
| Mithrandir | Lathiat: opengl shaders. | 12:08 |
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| Lathiat | ah hrm | 12:09 |
| sabdfl | we should get this stuff cleaned up and into ubuntu | 12:09 |
| sabdfl | so the conversation happens here, not somewhere else | 12:09 |
| Mithrandir | as well as having C files with 4k x 4k pixmaps in them where I doubt that is the preferred form of modification. | 12:09 |
| Lathiat | beryl-1.dfsg1 anyone :) | 12:09 |
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| seb128 | there is a mail about compiz,beryl on http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/compiz/2007-February | 12:10 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: it's not an .xpm? | 12:10 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: no. OpenGL doesn't use XPMs. | 12:10 |
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| seb128 | pitti: beryl sucks as much as compiz | 12:12 |
| seb128 | pitti: they basically have the same core, beryl has extra workarounds, configuration dialogs, plugins and things like that | 12:13 |
| pitti | seb128: metacity FTW! :-p | 12:13 |
| seb128 | pitti: yeah, for me as well ;) | 12:13 |
| mneptok | in related news, both of my cats are now working on competing compositors for X. | 12:13 |
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| mneptok | you know, just to be au courant. | 12:14 |
| pitti | argh, mneptok is in his best mood again today :) | 12:14 |
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| mneptok | let me know if you find an X compositing layer back there. | 12:15 |
| pitti | mneptok: no, just little fur balls, but that's close enough | 12:20 |
| mneptok | do they wobble? | 12:21 |
| mneptok | and why is my GPU not melting? | 12:21 |
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| Mithrandir | mneptok: because compositing is not very much work for GPUs. | 12:22 |
| pitti | except, of course, if you have a two years old laptop :-( | 12:22 |
| Mithrandir | my x40 is more than two years old and runs compiz at least just fine. | 12:23 |
| pitti | well, my radeon 9200 runs tuxracer just fine, but cube rotation and window moving/resizing really sucks with compiz | 12:24 |
| pitti | (with the free driver anyway; not that I have much choice on powerpc) | 12:25 |
| jdub | localhost kernel: [963670.820000] EIP: [<f092ab96>] ext3_clear_inode+0x26/0xa0 [ext3] SS:ESP 0068:effafeb4 | 12:27 |
| doko | pitti: what is calling /usr/share/apport/apport-gtk ? | 12:28 |
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| doko | pitti: what is calling /usr/share/apport/apport-gtk ? | 12:29 |
| doko | pitti do you see bug 73104 for feisty as well? | 12:30 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 73104 in apport "apport causes Python interpreter to segfault" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73104 | 12:30 |
| pitti | doko: python segfault> no, I never saw it | 12:30 |
| pitti | doko: calling a-gtk> update-notifier | 12:30 |
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| Mithrandir | dholbach: can I use bughelper with a product and not just packages? | 12:35 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: yes.... -U to use "upstream bugs" too | 12:35 |
| Mithrandir | how do I get it to just look at a product? | 12:37 |
| dholbach | not implemented yet - if you file a bug, I'll look into it | 12:37 |
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| seb128 | Mithrandir: UVF exception for rhythmbox? We have 0.9.7.90 which is 0.9.8 pre version and they rolled 0.9.8 now | 12:40 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: anything which should scare me there? | 12:40 |
| seb128 | no, that's mostly bug fixing since 0.9.7.90 which is ~2 weeks old | 12:41 |
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| Mithrandir | go ahead, then | 12:41 |
| seb128 | thank you | 12:41 |
| gpocentek | pitti: is there a way to avoid changing the maintainer with the new dpkg-source? | 12:45 |
| pitti | gpocentek: the dpkg-source change is to enforce you not to avoid it :) | 12:45 |
| pitti | gpocentek: however, someone posted a script on u-devel-discuss to do it automatically | 12:45 |
| gpocentek | ok | 12:47 |
| shawarma | seb128: Will you get around to accepting network-manager-{openvpn,vpnc} today? Universe FF is getting dangerously close. :-) | 12:49 |
| seb128 | shawarma: I though that Mithrandir was on them, will do if he doesn't | 12:49 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: they should be easy enough, so please just grab them. | 12:51 |
| shawarma | seb128: Ah, I thought he took off his archive admin hat monday evening. | 12:51 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: ok | 12:51 |
| seb128 | shawarma: well, that doesn't prevent to have a look on package you are interested in ;) | 12:51 |
| tepsipakki | shawarma: the release-manager hat is firmly in place ;) | 12:51 |
| shawarma | tepsipakki: True. :-) | 12:52 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: speaking of RM hat, cups 1.2.8 looks pretty sane: http://www.cups.org/articles.php?L443 | 12:52 |
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| ajmitch | Mithrandir: oh, and I've got a new f-spot (0.3.4) package that seems to work, shall I file a bug for it? | 12:53 |
| Mithrandir | ajmitch: yes, please. Or give me a link here and I can look at it. | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | source package or debdiff? | 12:54 |
| Mithrandir | debdiff, please. | 12:54 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: yeah, looks sane enough. Go ahead. | 12:55 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: will do, thanks | 12:55 |
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| ajmitch | http://ajmitch.net.nz/debuild/mono/bzr/f-spot/f-spot_0.3.3-0.3.4.debdiff | 12:56 |
| ajmitch | I still have to fill in the changelog before uploading | 12:56 |
| slomo | pitti: hm, the binary packages libndesk-dbus1.0-cil and libndesk-dbus-glib1.0-cil are still in universe, only the sources are in main | 12:57 |
| pitti | slomo: hm, let me look | 12:57 |
| slomo | pitti: or LP confuses me... but tomboy is again on depwait because it can't find the packages | 12:57 |
| pitti | slomo: weird, I NEWed them to main | 12:58 |
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| pitti | slomo: libndesk-dbus-glib1.0-cil is in main already | 12:59 |
| pitti | slomo: promoted libndesk-dbus1.0-cil now; for some reason that didn't work the first time I tried it | 12:59 |
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| slomo | pitti: but not the other? hmm, thanks :) and apart from that archive.ubuntu.com seems to be broken, i didn't get anything new since yesterday evening ;) | 12:59 |
| pitti | slomo: me too, doesn't even pong here | 01:00 |
| pitti | slomo: I get a 'Destination Port Unreachable' from the DC, too, I just asked the sysadmins | 01:01 |
| slomo | pitti: hm, well as long as everything still builds with the new packages it's not too bad ;) | 01:02 |
| pitti | slomo: I'm not sure whether the buildds use archive.u.c or drescher directly, but I suspect the former | 01:02 |
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| gnomefreak | pitti: if your around is there a way to repack the apport crash reports so i can retrace for debugging symbols? | 01:38 |
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| seb128 | gnomefreak: apport-retrace can take a launchpad bug number | 01:43 |
| seb128 | gnomefreak: it'll download the dump and retrace from it | 01:44 |
| gnomefreak | just apport-retrace bug 11111? | 01:44 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 11111 in kernel-package "Grubs menu.lst gets overwritten every time a kernel update is done" [Medium,Rejected] https://launchpad.net/bugs/11111 | 01:44 |
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| seb128 | gnomefreak: apport-retrace -g nnnnnn | 01:46 |
| gnomefreak | ah ok ty | 01:47 |
| seb128 | np | 01:47 |
| gnomefreak | ill try it | 01:47 |
| seb128 | or -s if you want to print the retrace on the command line rather than attaching gdb | 01:47 |
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| gnomefreak | i dont need to tell it what bug tracker like malone ##### | 01:49 |
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| seb128 | gnomefreak: no, just the launchpad bug number | 01:52 |
| Keybuk | why can't I get either beryl or compiz to work? | 01:52 |
| seb128 | probably because of the xorg updates | 01:52 |
| gnomefreak | seb128: ok its running we will see what happens :) | 01:52 |
| seb128 | try again when new mesa has built | 01:52 |
| tepsipakki | Keybuk: used to work? | 01:54 |
| Keybuk | tepsipakki: never tried it | 01:54 |
| Keybuk | was trying to demo it last night | 01:54 |
| tepsipakki | a-ha! :) | 01:54 |
| Keybuk | and both failed completely | 01:54 |
| Keybuk | I did think that it's a pretty good idea that we're *not* shipping them as default <g> | 01:55 |
| seb128 | gandalfn who work on compiz told me it was broken for him yesterday after the libxrandr update | 01:55 |
| Keybuk | compiz vaguely worked, but gnome-panel kept crashing | 01:55 |
| seb128 | he had some white screen problem | 01:55 |
| Keybuk | beryl also vaguely worked, but the controls inside the windows were incredibly slow to update -- if they updated at all | 01:55 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: weird, it should not impact on the panel ... did you install an external libwnck? | 01:56 |
| Keybuk | seb128: nope, just desktop-effects | 01:56 |
| Trewas | umm, isn't including full coredumps in the bugreports reported by apport and keeping them forever available for everyone to see in launchpad a pretty bad privacy hazard, at least for firefox and other web browsers? | 01:56 |
| seb128 | do you have a backtrace or crash file for the problem with compiz? | 01:56 |
| Keybuk | seb128: I can get you one | 01:56 |
| seb128 | Trewas: don't send a dump if you don't want to | 01:57 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: would be nice, thank you | 01:57 |
| Trewas | seb128: I know, but if the people knew what it actually sends (I checked a few coredumps) I doubt anyone would let it... but I guess it's ok if it has some very, very prominent warnings | 01:58 |
| seb128 | Trewas: the apport dialog say it might contain private datas, no? | 01:58 |
| Trewas | seb128: s/might/will surely/ would be more honest, at least in case of firefox | 01:59 |
| seb128 | what datas does it send? | 01:59 |
| seb128 | I don't know for firefox but for many programs there is nothing private to the crash file | 02:00 |
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| seb128 | do you consider things like the URL you were browsing as private data? | 02:00 |
| Trewas | at least a large number of urls from the browsing history, I assume also saved form-data could also be found if one was filled recently (meaning for example credit card numbers) | 02:00 |
| heno | seb128: does it also warn you that the data will be posted on the web and indexed by google? :) | 02:00 |
| Treenaks | seb128: firefox tends to have passwords in memory | 02:00 |
| gnomefreak | seb128: retracing it gives paths to files using the -v -d options | 02:00 |
| gnomefreak | doesnt send passwords or anything from what i have seen | 02:01 |
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| seb128 | Treenaks: non-crypted password? | 02:01 |
| seb128 | heno: google will not index the content of the coredump.gz | 02:02 |
| seb128 | anyway that's something know | 02:02 |
| gnomefreak | seb128: it grabbed the symbols using -g nnnn and dropped me to gdb what do i do from gdb? | 02:02 |
| seb128 | I think the plan at some point is to have a crash collector system | 02:02 |
| seb128 | and move crashes to bugs then | 02:03 |
| seb128 | gnomefreak: thread apply all bt | 02:03 |
| seb128 | gnomefreak: if you don't know about gdb you probably want to use the -s option rather than the -g one | 02:03 |
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| geser | how much time does it currently take for a build package to appear on the archive? | 02:15 |
| pitti | geser: between .05 and 1.5 hours usually | 02:15 |
| pitti | erm, s/0.05/0.5/ | 02:15 |
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| geser | what could block a2mp3 (finished building at 2007-02-21 01:51:36 CET) to not reached the archive yet? | 02:18 |
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| pitti | geser: archive.ubuntu.com currently seems to have troubles | 02:19 |
| geser | ok, thanks | 02:19 |
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| Riddell | pitti: dpkg-source complains if the maintainer is set to a kubuntu e-mail address, is that your doing? | 02:30 |
| pitti | Riddell: hmm, let me look | 02:30 |
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| pitti | + if ($fi{'C Maintainer'} !~ /ubuntu/) { | 02:31 |
| pitti | + &error(_g('Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address')); | 02:31 |
| pitti | Riddell: ^ since @kubuntu.org matches /ubuntu/, I'm confused | 02:31 |
| Riddell | pitti: never mind, my fault | 02:31 |
| Riddell | I kept the old maintainer line as well without changing it | 02:32 |
| pitti | but thanks for poking, I just saw a bug in the check | 02:32 |
| pitti | or, rather, it was correct before applying the bug fix | 02:32 |
| pitti | ah, no, it's alright | 02:33 |
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| kwwii | dholbach: where can I find the source for gdm artwork in hoary? | 03:16 |
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| ne78 | Will xorg 7.2 (with xserver 1.3 is possible) be part of fesity or feisty+1 ? | 03:18 |
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| kwwii | dholbach: forget it, I foudn it | 03:20 |
| seb128 | ne78: we are working to get it for feisty, several lib and mesa have already been updated | 03:23 |
| seb128 | ne78: I'm not sure about xserver 1.3 though, is it available yet? | 03:23 |
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| ne78 | seb128: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-February/022005.html | 03:33 |
| seb128 | ne78: I think we will try to get xorg 7.2 and xserver 1.2 first and then we will see | 03:34 |
| mjg59 | xserver 1.3 is basically just 1.2 + randr 1.2 | 03:35 |
| ne78 | seb128: randr 1.2 is the feature i would ove to have in feisty | 03:35 |
| seb128 | ne78: randr 1.2 has been uploaded yesterday we will see what we can do for the server when we update it | 03:35 |
| ne78 | seb128: cool | 03:35 |
| seb128 | no reply for now | 03:35 |
| seb128 | but we will look at it | 03:36 |
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| seb128 | Mithrandir: could you give a retry to rhythmbox on all archs? | 03:53 |
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| Mithrandir | seb128: given-back | 03:54 |
| seb128 | thank you | 03:54 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 04:08 |
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| seb128 | hate quilt | 04:18 |
| seb128 | how do I create a patch with that | 04:18 |
| tepsipakki | seb128: I love it :) | 04:20 |
| seb128 | weird :p | 04:20 |
| seb128 | I want cdbs-edit-patch | 04:20 |
| seb128 | something I can run, do my changes and get a patch | 04:20 |
| tepsipakki | quilt new 100_some_patch.diff; quilt add some/file.c; <edit>; quilt refresh | 04:21 |
| bddebian | dpatch-edit-patch? :-) | 04:21 |
| tepsipakki | oh and 'quilt push -a' before that | 04:21 |
| tepsipakki | did I miss something.. | 04:21 |
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| seb128 | gnagnagna | 04:22 |
| seb128 | hate hate it | 04:22 |
| seb128 | quilt new patch | 04:23 |
| seb128 | autoreconf | 04:23 |
| seb128 | quilt refresh | 04:23 |
| seb128 | -> Nothing in patch 099_autoreconf | 04:23 |
| kylem | you have to actually tell it you're changing something. | 04:23 |
| seb128 | I don't know what I'm changing | 04:23 |
| kylem | so it can preserve it and actually generate a diff. | 04:23 |
| seb128 | I'm running autoreconf | 04:23 |
| seb128 | and I want it to diff before and after like cdbs-edit-patch do | 04:24 |
| kylem | cdbs-edit-patch has the advantage of using a temporary copy... quilt is trying to do things in place. you're pretty much S.O.L. for this... | 04:24 |
| seb128 | I don't want to "quilt add file" on a zillion of Makefile.in | 04:24 |
| tepsipakki | seb128: you could ask jcristau on #ubuntu-x | 04:24 |
| seb128 | I'll just switch that package back to some sane patch system I think | 04:24 |
| tepsipakki | seb128: you need it for libx11? | 04:24 |
| seb128 | no for compiz I was trying to merge from debian | 04:25 |
| tepsipakki | ah | 04:25 |
| seb128 | but doing that stupid autoreconf patch is taking as long as merging the rest of the package | 04:25 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: just quilt add $(find -type f) and leave it to it to work out which files actually changed? :-) | 04:26 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: yeah I'll do that | 04:27 |
| seb128 | I don't get why people actually use that, they don't like things that just work ;) | 04:27 |
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| pochu | BenC: do you have a kernel meeting now? | 04:51 |
| BenC | pochu: In 9 minutes, yes | 04:51 |
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| pochu | BenC: oks. it's because in ubuntu-meeting it says current meeting, and there is nobody :) | 04:52 |
| pochu | hehe | 04:52 |
| BenC | I think it's preemptive or something :) | 04:52 |
| pochu | :) | 04:53 |
| BenC | unless it's UTC clock is just broken | 04:53 |
| pochu | BenC: maybe :) | 04:53 |
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| iwj | At last! autopkgtest is now building dovecot. | 05:19 |
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| gpocentek | ls | 05:39 |
| gpocentek | sorry, wrong window | 05:39 |
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| === bddebian hugs gpocentek and dholbach :-) | ||
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| iwj | ROTFL | 06:09 |
| iwj | adt-run: erroneous package: Test Depends field contains dependency `python' with invalid characters | 06:09 |
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| jdong | Dear emacs doctor... everywhere I look there are subliminal messages that I should use emacs | 06:50 |
| jdong | there's emacs and solaris vi on the workstation that I'm currently on. | 06:51 |
| Treenaks | jdong: Ctrl+X Ctrl+C will show them | 06:51 |
| jdong | There's emacs posters around me.... | 06:51 |
| jdong | and now ESR has joined Ubuntu? | 06:51 |
| Treenaks | jdong: Mwuahahaha! :)# | 06:51 |
| jdong | please make it stop... my pinky hurts to think about it. | 06:51 |
| Treenaks | jdong: be sure to use xemacs -- to annoy him | 06:51 |
| jdong | :) | 06:52 |
| Keybuk | I spend all of my time trying *not* to use emacs | 06:53 |
| Keybuk | but there's just nothing better | 06:53 |
| Keybuk | which is ad | 06:53 |
| Keybuk | sad too | 06:53 |
| bddebian | jdong: WHAT, no nano?? | 06:54 |
| bddebian | :) | 06:54 |
| jdong | bddebian, the one I'm on is Solaris 10 based... and the Linux WS'es here are RHEL4-based | 06:54 |
| jdong | both of which have no shipped nano | 06:54 |
| jdong | but my bashrc imports a few vim packages :) | 06:54 |
| bddebian | heh | 06:54 |
| jdong | and aliases emacs to vim :) | 06:54 |
| jdong | the first time I launched solaris vi I actually got a notice that it isn't officially supported by IS&T :D | 06:55 |
| tsmithe | i'm trying to package something (wired), but came across http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6899/ when trying to document copyrights. i'm not really sure what to do. | 06:55 |
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| tsmithe | sistpoty pointed me here | 06:56 |
| === tsmithe waves | ||
| Keybuk | tsmithe: looks like the "Wired Team" have modified code taken from someone else | 06:57 |
| Keybuk | the original code is LGPL, the modified code is GPL | 06:57 |
| tsmithe | ok. so it's now GPL? | 06:57 |
| tsmithe | shall i give both credits? | 06:57 |
| Keybuk | tsmithe: I would normally give both credits, yes | 06:59 |
| tsmithe | thanks | 06:59 |
| Keybuk | it's permissible to relicence LGPL code under the GPL | 06:59 |
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| tsmithe | oh. didn't know that. cool - /me dives back into his console | 06:59 |
| Keybuk | 3. You may opt to apply the terms of the ordinary GNU General Public | 07:00 |
| Keybuk | License instead of this License to a given copy of the Library. To do | 07:00 |
| Keybuk | this, you must alter all the notices that refer to this License, so | 07:00 |
| Keybuk | that they refer to the ordinary GNU General Public License, version 2, | 07:00 |
| Keybuk | instead of to this License. (If a newer version than version 2 of the | 07:00 |
| Keybuk | ordinary GNU General Public License has appeared, then you can specify | 07:00 |
| Keybuk | that version instead if you wish.) Do not make any other change in | 07:00 |
| Keybuk | these notices. | 07:00 |
| Keybuk | (from LGPL 2.1) | 07:00 |
| tsmithe | great! | 07:00 |
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| LaserJock | pitti: get a chance to look at qcad MIR by chance? | 07:31 |
| pitti | LaserJock: not yet, sorry | 07:33 |
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| LaserJock | pitti: np, just wondered if I missed something | 07:34 |
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| esr | finalbeta on #ubuntiu directed me here when I asked what mailing list to join first to get involved in Ubuntu development. | 07:42 |
| finalbeta | that's great, blame me ;) | 07:43 |
| Mirv | esr: hi, ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-devel-discuss for example | 07:43 |
| Mirv | https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel | 07:43 |
| esr | I read the wiki and know about those two. I was trying to get a handle on which one to start with. | 07:44 |
| sharms | esr: that list is moderated, might not be 100% what you are looking for | 07:44 |
| Mirv | a more full list at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ , where you can pick yours. but be aware that a lot of development is basically happening inside Launchpad, which takes some time to get used to | 07:44 |
| Mirv | https://launchpad.net/ | 07:44 |
| Keybuk | esr: ubuntu-devel-discuss is an open list for discussing development ideas, etc. | 07:44 |
| Keybuk | esr: ubuntu-devel is moderated to active developers only, to keep the traffic lower | 07:44 |
| sharms | Or come to Ubuntu-Motu since that is a great starting point for anyone | 07:44 |
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| Keybuk | esr: the majority of Ubuntu (the "universe" repository) is maintained by the "Masters Of The Universe", their mailing list is the ubuntu-motu mailing list | 07:45 |
| Mirv | (motu="masters of the universe", universe=community maintained software packages) | 07:45 |
| Keybuk | if you want to join the development team, first you'd join the MOTU list and team and work your way towards the core development team | 07:45 |
| esr | I guess it will be the MOTU list first, then. | 07:46 |
| Keybuk | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | 07:46 |
| pitti | hi esr | 07:46 |
| Keybuk | that's a pretty comprehensive starting point for that team | 07:46 |
| Keybuk | http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newdev | 07:47 |
| sharms | if MOTU can deal with me, then you know its a good place to start | 07:47 |
| Keybuk | ^ is a wordy overview of the "becoming a developer" process | 07:47 |
| sharms | I am pretty sure Jono's herding cats was about filtering me out :) | 07:47 |
| Keybuk | http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember -- anyone can become an Ubuntu member by contributing to the community (where contribution can include advocacy, etc.) | 07:48 |
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| esr | Right, I read http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newdev. | 07:49 |
| esr | I've just sent a subscription request to the MOTU list. | 07:49 |
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| bddebian | esr: For Universe/MOTU, you should probably join us in #ubuntu-motu :-) | 08:20 |
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| pitti | LaserJock: still here? | 08:30 |
| LaserJock | pitti: yep | 08:30 |
| pitti | LaserJock: I just reviewed qcad; how badly is this needed for edubuntu? | 08:31 |
| mdke | are we shipping the control center shell by default in feisty? | 08:31 |
| LaserJock | pitti: well, that's sort of a tough question | 08:31 |
| pitti | LaserJock: the only critics I have is that it does not support gettext, and thus does not integrate into our translation infrastructure at all | 08:31 |
| pitti | LaserJock: otherwise it's fine | 08:31 |
| LaserJock | pitti: CAD is a pretty high demand | 08:31 |
| LaserJock | pitti: and it's about the only/best CAD program we've got as far as I can tell | 08:32 |
| pitti | LaserJock: I'm willing to approve it, it'd just become a nuisance once we demote qt3 and want to translate it | 08:32 |
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| pitti | LaserJock: right, but it doesn't get any worse in universe (IOW, in main it cannot profit from langpack support etc. anyway) | 08:32 |
| Mithrandir | LaserJock: how useful is kicad? | 08:32 |
| pitti | LaserJock: if you want to put it onto the edubuntu CD, then there's no question | 08:32 |
| pitti | LaserJock: but if you want it in main 'just because', then I'm not sure about the benefits | 08:33 |
| LaserJock | pitti: it's supposed to go onto the Edubuntu Add-on CD | 08:33 |
| pitti | LaserJock: ok then | 08:34 |
| LaserJock | pitti: well, if you approve it I can ask ogra about the issue and let him decide | 08:34 |
| pitti | alright | 08:34 |
| LaserJock | my feeling is he'll want it because we get a lot of requests for CAD | 08:34 |
| LaserJock | but that sure stinks about no gettext support :/ | 08:34 |
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| bddebian | pitti: Are you just pitti@u.c ? | 08:44 |
| pitti | bddebian: that should work, too | 08:44 |
| bddebian | Is there a preferred one? | 08:45 |
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| pitti | bddebian: martin.pitt@ | 08:55 |
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| ZiNC | Hey. | 08:56 |
| bddebian | pitti: Too late but thanks. I'll remember for next time :) | 08:59 |
| pitti | bddebian: as I said, pitti@ is an alias and should work | 08:59 |
| bddebian | NP | 09:01 |
| ZiNC | Anyone familiar with SMART, particularly how sector remapping works? | 09:01 |
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| Mez | is there an easy way to get a list of all installed packages? | 09:34 |
| mr_pouit | dpkg --get-selections ? | 09:34 |
| Chipzz | dpkg --get-selections | grep install | cut -f1 in that case :P | 09:36 |
| mr_pouit | ^^" | 09:36 |
| Chipzz | hrrrrm wait no :P | 09:36 |
| Chipzz | the grep install is wrong actually :P | 09:36 |
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| Mithrandir | dpkg -l | grep ^ii | 09:37 |
| BenC | What's the suggested way to fix this: | 09:37 |
| BenC | dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address | 09:37 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: what's the maintainer address? | 09:37 |
| BenC | It's a Debian.org address (kernel team), but I'm wondering if all I need to do is change it to mine | 09:38 |
| pochu | BenC: an @ubuntu.com address :) | 09:38 |
| BenC | I don't need to add some magical meta field for the original maintainer? | 09:38 |
| Mithrandir | move the current one to XSBC-Original-Maintainer and set the Maintainer one to yours or kernel-team@lists.u.c or something. | 09:38 |
| BenC | ah, that's what I was looking for | 09:39 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: thanks | 09:39 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: you know, this is all documented in pitti's posting to u-d-a a week or so ago. :-) | 09:39 |
| pochu | BenC: not subscribed to devel-? | 09:39 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: Yeah, I remember now :) | 09:39 |
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| bluefoxicy | does anyone know what the flicker is in X anyway? | 09:50 |
| bluefoxicy | Once in a while (I've noticed this since the beginning of time), the screen will just jerk and for like 1 frame everything will be dragged off to the side or scrunched | 09:50 |
| bluefoxicy | brief display corruption | 09:50 |
| bluefoxicy | no real impact on usability or stability, it's just weird. | 09:50 |
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| LaserJock | sounds like a bluefoxicy-specific issue ;-) | 09:51 |
| bluefoxicy | vo.ov | 09:51 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: is there anything in the live system creation that could clean /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/, i. e. the package post-install notifications? | 09:55 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: yes, we could do that. Could you mail infinity to get that fixed, please? | 09:56 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: ah, good; I wondered since yesterday why the hell that postinst doesn't work | 09:56 |
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| Mithrandir | grr, what's the way to get bzr to output a proper ChangeLog style log? | 09:59 |
| sabdfl | Mithrandir: #bzr? | 10:00 |
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| Treenaks | Mithrandir: submit a spec, then organise a sprint ;) | 10:00 |
| elmo | Mithrandir: there's a plugin for it I think, but bzr itself doesn't do it | 10:00 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: k, thanks. | 10:00 |
| elmo | http://telecom.inescporto.pt/~gjc/gnulog.py | 10:01 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: oh, excellent. Thanks. | 10:02 |
| Mithrandir | apart from it blowing up due to non-ascii chars, but I'll work around that. :-) | 10:02 |
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| seb128 | shawarma: ping? | 10:28 |
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| h4writer | Do anyone know if the code of run_command (<alt>F2) is in python and where I can find it. For the moment I find only the panel-run-dialog.glade file | 10:47 |
| h4writer | (I want to change it a bit) | 10:48 |
| seb128 | it's not in python | 10:49 |
| seb128 | it's gnome-panel code | 10:49 |
| h4writer | can I edit it and run it direct. Or do I need to recomile it always I change a bit? | 10:50 |
| tsmithe | gnome-panel is C | 10:50 |
| tsmithe | you'll need to recompile | 10:50 |
| h4writer | no, so quick changing something in it, is not easy:-( | 10:51 |
| h4writer | ok it wil not be for me | 10:51 |
| h4writer | thanks anyway | 10:51 |
| tsmithe | sorry :) | 10:52 |
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| shawarma | seb128: pong | 11:05 |
| seb128 | shawarma: network-manager-vpnc is not good | 11:05 |
| seb128 | gnome-two-password-dialog.c looks like LGPL | 11:06 |
| seb128 | " The Gnome Library is free software; you can redistribute it and/or | 11:06 |
| seb128 | modify it under the terms of the GNU Library General Public License as | 11:06 |
| seb128 | published by the ree Software Foundation; either version 2 of the | 11:06 |
| seb128 | License, or (at your option) any later version. | 11:06 |
| seb128 | " | 11:06 |
| seb128 | and there is no copy to the LPGL to the package | 11:06 |
| shawarma | Yes. | 11:06 |
| shawarma | Sure. It's in that same directory. | 11:06 |
| shawarma | Isn't it? | 11:06 |
| sistpoty | seb128: btw.: is there a way to send new-rejects to the signer as well? I guess that would help us quite to improve reviewing skills | 11:07 |
| shawarma | seb128: It's there in my copy.. | 11:07 |
| shawarma | seb128: auth-dialog/COPYING should be LGPL-2 unless I messed up somewhere. | 11:08 |
| h4writer | tsmithe, I wanted to fill a bug request (for my small tweak), but there was already reported: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339963 | 11:09 |
| Ubugtu | Gnome bug 339963 in Panel "Run dialog should not modify the list when selecting an item" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 11:09 |
| h4writer | It dates from 2006!?! | 11:09 |
| h4writer | that's pity | 11:10 |
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| seb128_ | re | 11:10 |
| seb128_ | shawarma: | 11:10 |
| seb128_ | properties/nm-vpnc.c is Copyright (C) 2005 David Zeuthen, <davidz@redhat.com> | 11:10 |
| seb128_ | and it's not listed to debian/copyright | 11:10 |
| shawarma | seb128_: True. | 11:11 |
| tsmithe | seb128_, you on archive duty? | 11:11 |
| shawarma | seb128_: I'll fix it right away. | 11:11 |
| shawarma | seb128_: Anything in -openvpn I should fix while I'm at it? | 11:12 |
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| seb128__ | re | 11:12 |
| seb128__ | what did you get before my internet disconnected? :p | 11:12 |
| shawarma | That you believed the LGPL was missing | 11:13 |
| shawarma | ...to which I responded: | 11:13 |
| shawarma | seb128: auth-dialog/COPYING should be LGPL-2 unless I messed up somewhere. | 11:14 |
| seb128__ | <seb128> properties/nm-vpnc.c is Copyright (C) 2005 David Zeuthen, <davidz@redhat.com> | 11:14 |
| seb128__ | and it's not listed to debian/copyright | 11:14 |
| seb128__ | sistpoty: I didn't reject it yet, I was pinged shawarma because he asked about the package today | 11:14 |
| shawarma | seb128: Oh, that too. I'm fixing it right now. | 11:14 |
| sistpoty | seb128_: it was more a general question, not nm-vpnc specific ;) | 11:14 |
| seb128__ | shawarma: ups, I'm used to have the COPYING to the src dir, not to subdirs, that's fine then | 11:15 |
| seb128__ | sistpoty: ok | 11:15 |
| shawarma | seb128__: I put it there because the rest is GPL and i put the corresponding COPYING for that in the root. | 11:16 |
| seb128__ | usually people use a COPYING and a COPYING.LIB to the src dir | 11:16 |
| seb128__ | but that's fine | 11:16 |
| bddebian | seb128__: Do you happen to know if you are going to hit libtifiles2 also? | 11:17 |
| bddebian | Oh, nm | 11:17 |
| tsmithe | seb128__, did you get my ping? (/me feels really rude) | 11:17 |
| seb128__ | bddebian: "hit libtifiles2", what? | 11:17 |
| seb128__ | tsmithe: no | 11:17 |
| tsmithe | ah | 11:17 |
| shawarma | seb128__: Ah, that makes sense, too. I'll leave it where it is for now, though. | 11:17 |
| tsmithe | seb128__, are you on archive duty tonight? | 11:18 |
| bddebian | seb128__: In NEW | 11:18 |
| seb128__ | tsmithe: I am | 11:18 |
| tsmithe | seb128__, could you take a look at wired? _MMA_ would really like it to be in feisty and thus ubuntustudio | 11:18 |
| seb128__ | bddebian: I'm working on NEW, I'll probably not process everything to source NEW though, there is too much of it | 11:18 |
| bddebian | seb128__: OK | 11:18 |
| seb128__ | "_MMA_"? | 11:18 |
| tsmithe | seb128__, he's the lead for ubuntustudio | 11:19 |
| seb128__ | tsmithe: ok, will do | 11:19 |
| tsmithe | thanks much | 11:19 |
| tsmithe | also, if enblend gets up there, i'd appreciate that as well | 11:19 |
| bddebian | Sheesh, what am I chopped liver? :-) | 11:20 |
| tsmithe | bddebian, er yeah... | 11:21 |
| bddebian | Shut up tsmithe, no more reviews for you ;-P | 11:21 |
| tsmithe | :D | 11:21 |
| tsmithe | you know that's not true :P | 11:21 |
| shawarma | seb128__: Reuploaded nm-vpnc. | 11:22 |
| seb128__ | shawarma: ok, thank you, otherwise it looks fine, I'll probably accept the update | 11:23 |
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| shawarma | seb128__: Sounds excellent. -openvpn was fine? | 11:24 |
| mdke | seb128__: are we sticking to control center for feisty or reverting with GNOME? | 11:24 |
| seb128__ | mdke: control-center is GNOME | 11:24 |
| seb128__ | shawarma: it's next :p | 11:25 |
| shawarma | seb128: ah. i'll stick around for a bit. :-) | 11:25 |
| mdke | seb128__: I mean, I read that GNOME are going back to the administrative tools in menus by default, rather than the cc shell; are we following that decision? | 11:25 |
| seb128 | mdke: yes we are | 11:25 |
| mdke | ok | 11:25 |
| seb128 | mdke: we would probably have reverted to menus even if they would not have done that | 11:25 |
| mdke | oh right. | 11:26 |
| mdke | shame | 11:26 |
| seb128 | mdke: not shame, most of the distro team was breathing in my neck for a revert :p | 11:26 |
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| seb128 | mdke: we will likely switch next cycle, there is still some speed, keyboard navigation, graphical space used, etc problems that could use some work before that | 11:27 |
| mdke | seb128: ah, well I liked the concept; dunno if it was too buggy or usability issues | 11:27 |
| seb128 | lack of polish we will say | 11:27 |
| seb128 | next cycle should be fine | 11:28 |
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| mdke | seb128: cool | 11:29 |
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| seb128 | shawarma: openvpn (and maybe the other one as well) auth-dialog/gnome-two-password-dialog.h has a "Copyright (C) 2005, Red Hat, Inc." and debian/copyright status that "a) auth-dialog/* are Copyright 1999, 2000 Eazel, Inc." | 11:35 |
| seb128 | and auth-dialog/main.c has | 11:36 |
| seb128 | " * (C) Copyright 2004 Red Hat, Inc. | 11:36 |
| seb128 | * 2005 Tim Niemueller [www.niemueller.de] | 11:36 |
| seb128 | " | 11:36 |
| seb128 | not listed by debian/copyright neither | 11:36 |
| seb128 | properties/nm-openvpn.c is "Copyright (C) 2005 Tim Niemueller <tim@niemueller.de> | 11:38 |
| seb128 | s//" | 11:38 |
| === ajmitch is going to have great fun with copyright & mozldap | ||
| seb128 | and debian/copyright states "d) Everything else is Copyright 2004-2007 Red Hat, Inc." | 11:38 |
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| seb128 | shawarma: same for src, .c are copyight "Tim Niemueller <tim@niemueller.de>" | 11:40 |
| seb128 | shawarma: network-manager-openvpn is not good to go, please fix those | 11:40 |
| seb128 | shawarma: network-manager-vpnc has the auth-dialog/gnome-two-password-dialog.h copyright to Red Hat problem, could you fix it as well? | 11:42 |
| jdong | have the archives been really slow recently? | 11:45 |
| jdong | pratt.canonical.com often time out | 11:45 |
| jdong | and the other 195.x.x.x one pulls like 0-15kb/s | 11:45 |
| jdong | and I'm sure it's not my link :) | 11:46 |
| shawarma | seb128: I'm on it. | 11:47 |
| tsmithe | when does ff take effect? | 11:49 |
| sistpoty | tsmithe: my ff starts in 10 minutes, though other ppl. from other time zones still have a few more hours ;) | 11:49 |
| seb128 | shawarma: 10 days ago? | 11:50 |
| tsmithe | ok | 11:50 |
| shawarma | seb128: what? | 11:50 |
| tsmithe | can i be in utc-12? | 11:50 |
| sistpoty | tsmithe: I guess +-12 hours won't make a big difference | 11:50 |
| seb128 | shawarma: feature freeze you mean? | 11:50 |
| tsmithe | sistpoty, ok thanks | 11:51 |
| ajmitch | seb128: universe feature freeze is today, so people are wanting packages in :) | 11:51 |
| seb128 | shawarma: ups, that was for tsmithe | 11:51 |
| seb128 | ajmitch: ah ok | 11:51 |
| tsmithe | seb128, yes | 11:51 |
| shawarma | seb128: Ah. | 11:51 |
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| elmo | jdong: this is why there are mirrors | 11:53 |
| jdong | elmo: what's a good US mirror that's not two weeks behind archive.ubuntu.com? | 11:54 |
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| jdong | kernel.org was kinda out of date the last time I tried it | 11:54 |
| jdong | and us. seems to still be the same servers | 11:54 |
| elmo | jdong: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors | 11:55 |
| jdong | ooh very cool | 11:55 |
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| shawarma | seb128: One of the file in the openvpn package lacks a copyright notice.. What to do? | 12:08 |
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| shawarma | seb128__: ^^ | 12:09 |
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