=== meren [n=pardus@88.242.248.239] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-55-153.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-55-153.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _TomB [n=tomb@host217-44-205-57.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej [n=alex@halls-129-31-82-59.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DA63E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lifeless [n=robertc@ppp245-86.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === guyvdb [n=guy@kotnet-144.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-236-154-89.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-137-28.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jrib [n=jasonr@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === milli [n=milli@famfrit.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@stwgw.stw.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj_ [n=robertj@66-168-215-105.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj__ [n=robertj@66-168-215-105.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-79-61.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === angasule [n=angasule@190.49.231.189] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _TomB [n=tomb@host217-44-205-57.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubuntu_demon [n=ubuntu_d@ubuntu/member/ubuntudemon/-x-12083] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Strom_C [n=strom@netblock-66-159-243-60.dslextreme.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:17] hey guys, sorry if this is the wrong channel, but I've been asking this question in #ubuntu all day and gotten no help: What is the exact procedure that ubuntu uses to auto-determine video settings when starting the livecd, and is it possible to invoke that procedure post-install? I'm trying to create a partition image which is fairly portable across machines. === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:29] I guess it's happy hour at the bar :) [03:38] or everyone is asleep :) [03:39] for some reason, I ddidn't expect all 172 people in here to be in russia [03:39] Or doesn't know the answer ;-) [03:40] i'm surprised that no one knows the answer to this one === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DA63E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:51] Strom_C: Your best bet is to look at the source. I don't know either. [03:51] ScottK: I've been grepping and googling and trying things for eighteen hours now [03:52] Sorry I can't help. [03:53] thanks anyway :) === Strom_C continues to rip hair out [03:53] Strom_C: The good news is that can only go on so long. [03:53] well, at least until you add minoxidil into the equation :D === Gumby [n=gumby@unaffiliated/gumby] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:56] Strom_C: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical xserver-xorg === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:56] Strom_C: you can adjust critical to low, medium, or high, each setting asking fewer questions than before [03:57] jdong: I have tried two dozen variants of dpkg-reconfigure and NONE of them produce the same results as the livecd's automatic process [03:57] low probably is the version used by the dept. homeland security when they confiscate your laptop.... [03:57] Strom_C: that is exactly what the livecd runs. It sometimes helps to move your old xorg.conf out of the way [03:57] having dpkg-reconfigure ask any questions is unacceptable for this application [03:57] -pcritical is what the livecd uses. === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has left #ubuntu-devel ["trombone"] [03:57] alright, let me give this one another go [03:58] Strom_C: if you're reasonably fluent in reading bash scripts, grab the source of 'casper' [03:58] and look at /scripts/casper-bottom [03:59] nope, xorg won't start [03:59] 20xconfig mainly [03:59] jdong: I looked at that one already, actually [03:59] but my bash script fluency isn't all that good [04:00] if dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical xserver-xorg is what the livecd runs, then why are the results different when run from an installed system with X not running? [04:01] "casper-reconfigure /root xserver-xorg" [04:01] yeah it simply calls reconfigure xserver-xorg [04:01] with a noninteractive debconf [04:01] yeah, i've tried -fnoninteractive too === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:01] have you tried comparing the xorg.conf the livecd generates [04:01] vs this command's? [04:01] yep [04:01] it should be identical [04:01] they're completely different [04:02] runcommandinroot "$root" dpkg-reconfigure -fnoninteractive --no-reload "$package" [04:02] that's what casper-reconfigure reduces to [04:02] so -fnoninteractive --no-reload [04:03] nope, still different from what the livecd generates [04:04] fwiw, the livecd actually detects my video hardware and monitor, whereas all flavors of dpkg-reconfigure give me VESA and a generic monitor [04:04] hmm weird [04:04] yeah [04:05] is this a stock installed system? or have you changed/added/removed packages [04:05] or activated some different configuraiton? [04:05] the only things I've done have been to throw a few tarballs in /usr/src, install a few dependencies, and add the "universe" repository to apt-get. [04:07] hmm that shouldn't affect things [04:07] yeah, this is close enough to default that it shouldn't matter [04:07] all the times I've tried -pcritical generates an identical X config to xorg.conf [04:08] well, i'm trying the same image in two environments: a boring low-end Dell machine and a VM in "Parallels Desktop" on os x [04:09] the reconfigure works fine in the VM, but not on the Dell, though I suspect that the VM's virtual hardware is fairly genericized for compatibility [04:09] then there's someting weird going on with that dell.... [04:10] all my systems reconfigure correctly [04:10] yeah, but the thing is that the livecd configures it perfectly [04:10] that's definitely weird [04:11] and if I'm going to take this image to various training centers to use as the lab environment for a technical training course, I kind of want it to work reasonably well in as-yet-unknown environments :) [04:13] i wonder if the livecd loads some other environment settings [04:17] this is supremely irritating [04:19] Strom_C: you'd want to find a time when cjwatson is around.... [04:19] probably like 12h from now === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:20] alright....cool [04:20] thanks for your help :) [04:21] np === Strom_M [n=strom@netblock-66-159-243-60.dslextreme.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.13.96.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkl_ [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === dilinger [n=dilinger@146-115-126-156.c3-0.arl-ubr1.sbo-arl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DA63E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SEJeff [n=SEJeff@adsl-76-208-152-77.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-60-242-130-196.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-236-154-89.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SEJeff_ [n=SEJeff@adsl-76-208-154-71.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vinboy [n=vinboy@125-236-158-145.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vinboy [n=vinboy@125-236-158-145.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-82694546e3219fa1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.150.233] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kernel06 [n=jj@24.7.82.239] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:53] Good morning [07:55] pitti: good morning [07:56] pitti: I don't suppose you'd have time to look at qcad and qalculate MIRs? [07:56] :-) [07:56] LaserJock: ah, can do today after finishing php [07:56] LaserJock: please just keep poking me :) [07:56] LaserJock: hmm, I actually remember looking at qalculate [07:57] pitti: oh? [07:57] LaserJock: Dependencies: most not yet in main [07:57] LaserJock: ^ these need to be listed and get MIRs filed/approved [07:58] LaserJock: from a three-second inspection, qcad report looks fine, will process it soon [07:59] pitti: oh sorry about qalculate, I thought I had fixed that, oops [08:01] qalculate need cln, libgd, and gnuplot [08:01] LaserJock: libgd? literally? we made great efforts to throw this out and only keep libgd2 [08:05] pitti: I'll have to dig a bit deeper but I think it's actually libgd2 [08:05] which is already in Main [08:05] I'll have to double check that [08:05] gd2 is fine [08:06] soz to bother, but whos in charge of building the -desktop cds ? === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F7427F.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:07] good morning [08:12] hey dholbach [08:12] asac: here? [08:12] hey pitti === dholbach hugs pitti === dholbach hugs asac too === Spads [n=spacehob@host-87-74-55-87.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@193.141.61.201] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-2fa3130d7b2d4337] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === milli [n=milli@famfrit.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kagou [n=Kagou@88.140.38.138] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mirv [n=tajyrink@vipunen.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:03] viviersf: I tend to do it, why? [09:05] im trying to see how brand spanking new isos get generated [09:07] magical pixies that live under Mithrandir's floorboards. [09:07] actually, they live underneath the floor in the DC, not in my house. [09:08] They're not that magical either. [09:08] just ordinary pixies? [09:09] viviersf: roughly: debootstrap ; apt-get install $packages ; mksquashfs ; mkisofs === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:12] is bug 76632 actually fixed? I still can't unlock my screensaver... anyone seeing that? [09:12] Malone bug 76632 in gnome-screensaver "screen does not unlock after locking" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76632 [09:12] Mithrandir, if one does those steps, will packages you apt-get install be automagically installed while the installer runs? [09:13] or is there more scripting jiggerypokery one needs to do [09:13] Strom_M: ubiquity just copies the file system off the CD. [09:14] awesome [09:14] you want to make sure all the bits ubiquity expects to be there are there though. === mvo [n=egon@p54A66565.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:14] right; i was just planning on supplementing the basic install === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-14-115.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:20] Mithrandir, you got a script that does all that by any change, i can do it that way, just what does all the default configs of pam etc ? === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:22] viviersf: yes, we have such a script, no, we are not giving it out, sorry. There's a customisation howto on the wiki. [09:30] Mithrandir: is there a way to look from drescher what happened to some binary packages? libgoocanvas1 (binary NEW) is available for 4 archs, according to launchpad it built on sparc yesterday evening but the binary is not to the queue [09:31] Mithrandir, thx btw [09:33] seb128: it probably got lost in failed-to-move; try rerunning ~lp_buildd/reprocess-failed-to-move (as lp_buildd) [09:35] ok, thank you [09:36] stupid question: does the install cd customization process apply only to the server cd, or can I customize the desktop livecd using the same procedure? [09:36] the instructions are a touch ambiguous on that one [09:38] Mithrandir: that solved it, thanks [09:38] pitti: do you have any script to check if a packages deps are not in Main === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:41] pitti: could you review libxcb today (binaries are to NEW atm) for main promotion? it's part of the xorg 7.2 stack and blocks libx11 update [09:43] hmmmk Mithrandir [09:43] Strom_C: there are two sets of instructions. You want the one which concerns itself with live cds. [09:46] Mithrandir: ah ok, I didn't see that one - looks much easier than the other set of instructions :) [09:46] thanks === davmor2 [n=davmor2@62-30-74-119.cable.ubr04.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:52] pitti: hi :) can you take a look at the ndesk-dbus and ndesk-dbus-glib main inclusion reports? should be fairly fast to review and we have the code itself in main already anyway (in other packages) ;) === slomo [n=slomo@80.149.17.1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sky_walkie [i=czzhrd02@xdsl-563.lodz.dialog.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === davmor2 [n=davmor2@62-30-74-119.cable.ubr04.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-14-115.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A66565.dip.t-dialin.net] 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I've got a script but it doesn't handle |'s very well [10:06] seb128: fun; libxcb already was in warty and hoary - welcome back :) [10:06] ;) [10:08] has there been any talk about making apps like Azureus and Frost/Limewire depend on sun-java*-jre in the future? === SEJeff_ [n=SEJeff@76.208.159.163] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mneptok stares at doko === davmor2 [n=davmor2@62-30-74-119.cable.ubr04.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === dilinger [n=dilinger@65-78-28-38.c3-0.arl-ubr1.sbo-arl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] mneptok: why? to move it to multiverse? [10:10] doko: because Java apps depending on GCJ are breaking all over the place. [10:10] AFAIK, the GCJ dependency was only because GCJ is free. [10:10] seb128: wow, designed to replace Xlib? I guess 25 years of API stability are enough :-P [10:10] mneptok: please file bug reports [10:10] pitti: ;) [10:11] pitti: it doesn't break API or ABI [10:11] pitti: there is a new libx11-xcb with it [10:11] cjwatson: ah, it's the same API, just a reimplementation for thread safety and other goodies? [10:12] pitti: well, new libx11 has the standard libx11-6 and a new libx11-xcb [10:12] pitti: it's also so toolkits can use raw X11 instead of Xlib and thereby get better performance. [10:12] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XCB links to some papers === ivoks [n=ivoks@6-110.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:12] right, the package description is pretty interesting [10:13] mneptok: and you may want to check out deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ubuntu/ feisty/$(ARCH)/ [10:13] deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ubuntu/ feisty/all/ [10:13] http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix04/tech/freenix/full_papers/sharp/sharp_html/index.html was the one I read a while back [10:14] doko: zope 3.3.1 looks good; approved. [10:15] Mithrandir, cjwatson: who should get the approval emails in the future? [10:16] doko: I, until I get ubuntu-release@lists set up, then it should go there. === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F6C0C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:16] I'm considering if we should move towards the same model used for SRUs and such though. [10:17] Mithrandir: ok, mdz did forward you another one for sqlite3 [10:17] doko: yes, I'm looking at it right now === givre [n=Florent@82.120.216.254] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:18] pitti: thanks :) [10:20] seb128: libxcb promoted to main and NEWed === seb128 hugs pitti, thank you [10:20] pitti: yay, xcb :) [10:20] slomo: right, I saw some new build deps on ndesk on -changes [10:21] slomo: so libdbus-1-cil is obsolete? [10:21] slomo: and/or dbus-sharp in general? [10:21] doko: sqlite approved. [10:22] pitti: it is since ~1 year already... there just was no better alternative until today ;) dbus-sharp can go to universe and the last rdep is already ported to ndesk-dbus upstream, i'm only waiting for a release [10:22] slomo: ah, great; would be nice to demote it for feisty [10:22] seb128: could you please reject ntfs-config from NEW, i have a new version waiting in REVU === pitti does a checkrdepends [10:22] givre: no need to reject it, just upload the new version and it'll be superseded [10:22] slomo: in fact, nothing in main depends on it [10:22] pitti: it's already on the anastacia demotion list [10:23] pitti: yes, the only rdep is in universe (gshare) [10:23] slomo: right, will kick it right now [10:23] seb128: ok, bddebian wasn't sure. thanks [10:23] Riddell: where can I find the KDE release schedule? [10:23] slomo: BTW the gnome-user-share change you did for Debian is not good for Ubuntu? [10:23] slomo: there it goes :) [10:23] slomo: the apache config one [10:24] seb128: it is, we need it... i'll file all remaining sync requests today, that's the next point on my todo list :) [10:24] slomo: ok [10:24] I was surprised that you didn't ask for a sync nor uploaded to Ubuntu === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:25] slomo: btw, would you mind improving the package description a bit? "ndesk-dbus is a C# implementation of D-Bus." sounds like reimplementing dbus-daemon, when it is in fact reimplementing the client library [10:25] slomo: when I read that the first time I thought "d'oh, just what the world needs..." [10:25] Riddell: never mind; I found it. [10:26] pitti: well, until now its only a client implementation... but a daemon is planned too ;) although i doubt someone will really use it as default [10:26] pitti: i'll change the description with the next upload [10:26] slomo: thanks [10:27] slomo: I want a dbus daemon written entirely in posix shell [10:27] pitti: no, you don't. [10:27] Mithrandir: sorry, working on php for too long causes irreversible brain damage [10:27] pitti: oh... go for it, should be interesting :) [10:28] pitti: so you clearly want a dbusd written in php? === Mithrandir hides from pitti's wrath. [10:28] uuarrrgh === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.68.74] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:28] Mithrandir: ooh! great idea! I'll start writing immediately [10:30] pitti: btw, apport still complains about crashing mono in feisty :/ === Tonio_ [n=tonio@27.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:31] slomo: can you give me a test case? kill -SEGV'ing f-spot or tomboy didn't work [10:31] pitti: not really, but i saw bugreports from crashing beagle... === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-137-28.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajmitch saw one from f-spot earlier today [10:35] seb128: hm, seems to be the only important thing i didn't sync/upload yet === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:35] ok, good ;) [10:35] slomo: I can sync it now if you want [10:35] seb128: btw, will you update gstreamer core and plugins-base to a new cvs snapshot soon? or wait until the releases? 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[10:47] seb128: the gnome-user-share one doesn't require UVF exception. [10:47] seb128: what's new and shiny in the new gstreamer bits? [10:48] what did you read before the split? [10:48] let's copy again [10:48] Mithrandir: gstreamer upstream did some changes for easy codec installation (basically they moved libgimme-codec to gst-plugins-base0.10), the new totem tarball has its code updated for that change [10:48] mitsuhiko Mithrandir [10:48] Mithrandir: new gst tarballs are coming next week, would it be ok to update the CVS snapshots we have today and update to new versions next week? [10:48] well [10:48] lot of bug fixes, probably some new feature [10:48] what I'm interested in is the EasyCodecInstall bits [10:48] hm, that's interesting, yes. [10:48] ok, go for it. [10:48] thank you [10:49] and we have a CVS snapshot atm already so it's probably a good idea to upgrade to next tarball anyway === PuMpErNiCkLe [n=pumperni@about/essy/bacon/PuMpErNiCkLe] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mneptok [n=mneptok@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:52] Mithrandir: can you also take a look at the dbus-glib (#84932) and liferea (#86596) uvf exceptions? both are mostly bugfix releases [10:54] doko: could you get an UVF exception for bug #84820 [10:54] Malone bug 84820 in Ubuntu "sync request" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84820 [10:54] fastjar sync request === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm14.omega126.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:55] slomo: both approved. [10:55] Mithrandir: thanks :) [10:56] dholbach, slomo: if MOTU UVF is still assigned to a bug does it mean it's not ready to be processed yet? [10:56] https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kphotoalbum/+bug/85103 [10:56] Malone bug 85103 in kphotoalbum "please sync kphotoalbum [universe] from Debian experimental [main] " [Undecided,Confirmed] [10:57] seb128: hmm, I'll close the report, it's not necessary [10:57] doko: ok, thank you [10:58] seb128: no that's fine... if the bug is set to confirmed it's approved [10:58] ok [11:09] seb128: had the same screensaver login issue again yesterday, is that fixed now? [11:09] sabdfl: yes, we changed the location to /var/run/gdm_socket and it'll stay there now and I've updated the package using it to check the edgy and the feisty sockets so it should not break edgy upgrades [11:12] cool - thanks seb128 [11:12] np === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm14.omega126.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=francis@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman is now known as GmanZZZ === TMM [n=hp@ip5650d1ab.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xerxas [n=r67894@AGrenoble-257-1-6-237.w86-193.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@dsl-217-155-249-190.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson_ [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A67D2E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === boggle [n=spindler@modemcable096.205-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@p548FEED5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F75695.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giftnudel [n=mb@frnk-590c6bb8.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:05] do we have any meta package for beryl, or just close beryl bug reports? [12:05] we don't have beryl in the archive. [12:05] beryl-manager - Tray application launcher tool for Beryl [12:05] but nothing else [12:06] (and because of that it's uninstallable) [12:06] given that the rest of it wasn't distributable, I rejected it and nobody's uploaded a new version. [12:06] Beryl isn't distrubutable? Neat. === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] StevenK: no, it killed the eyes of too many people, thus falls under the WMD category (Windows of Mass Distraction) [12:07] Hah [12:07] it includes compiled files without sources. [12:08] Neat. [12:08] pitti: it may yet emerge as the stronger system, ui wise [12:08] oh, and some of the files there doesn't have a free compiler either, so they'd have to go to multiverse. [12:08] sabdfl: I agree; at least I noticed that compiz sucks hard ATM === jamesh [n=james@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] what the hell does beryl needs thats compiled and/or non-free? [12:08] doko: I reject beryl bugs saying to people to send the bug to the people making the package they are using [12:08] Lathiat: opengl shaders. === cprov [n=cprov@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:09] ah hrm [12:09] we should get this stuff cleaned up and into ubuntu [12:09] so the conversation happens here, not somewhere else [12:09] as well as having C files with 4k x 4k pixmaps in them where I doubt that is the preferred form of modification. [12:09] beryl-1.dfsg1 anyone :) === TomB [n=tomb@host217-44-205-57.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:10] there is a mail about compiz,beryl on http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/compiz/2007-February === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:10] Mithrandir: it's not an .xpm? [12:10] pitti: no. OpenGL doesn't use XPMs. === givre [n=Florent@82.120.216.254] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] pitti: beryl sucks as much as compiz [12:13] pitti: they basically have the same core, beryl has extra workarounds, configuration dialogs, plugins and things like that [12:13] seb128: metacity FTW! :-p [12:13] pitti: yeah, for me as well ;) [12:13] in related news, both of my cats are now working on competing compositors for X. === kagou_ [n=kagou@88-138-192-212.adslgp.cegetel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:14] you know, just to be au courant. [12:14] argh, mneptok is in his best mood again today :) === mneptok smooches pitti === pitti crawls mneptok's neck [12:15] let me know if you find an X compositing layer back there. [12:20] mneptok: no, just little fur balls, but that's close enough [12:21] do they wobble? [12:21] and why is my GPU not melting? === elkbuntu blinks. i thought i was in -offtopic for a second there... [12:22] mneptok: because compositing is not very much work for GPUs. [12:22] except, of course, if you have a two years old laptop :-( [12:23] my x40 is more than two years old and runs compiz at least just fine. [12:24] well, my radeon 9200 runs tuxracer just fine, but cube rotation and window moving/resizing really sucks with compiz [12:25] (with the free driver anyway; not that I have much choice on powerpc) [12:27] localhost kernel: [963670.820000] EIP: [] ext3_clear_inode+0x26/0xa0 [ext3] SS:ESP 0068:effafeb4 [12:28] pitti: what is calling /usr/share/apport/apport-gtk ? === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:29] pitti: what is calling /usr/share/apport/apport-gtk ? [12:30] pitti do you see bug 73104 for feisty as well? [12:30] Malone bug 73104 in apport "apport causes Python interpreter to segfault" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73104 [12:30] doko: python segfault> no, I never saw it [12:30] doko: calling a-gtk> update-notifier === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub [n=jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-69-221.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] dholbach: can I use bughelper with a product and not just packages? [12:35] Mithrandir: yes.... -U to use "upstream bugs" too [12:37] how do I get it to just look at a product? [12:37] not implemented yet - if you file a bug, I'll look into it === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] Mithrandir: UVF exception for rhythmbox? We have 0.9.7.90 which is 0.9.8 pre version and they rolled 0.9.8 now [12:40] seb128: anything which should scare me there? [12:41] no, that's mostly bug fixing since 0.9.7.90 which is ~2 weeks old === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:41] go ahead, then [12:41] thank you [12:45] pitti: is there a way to avoid changing the maintainer with the new dpkg-source? [12:45] gpocentek: the dpkg-source change is to enforce you not to avoid it :) [12:45] gpocentek: however, someone posted a script on u-devel-discuss to do it automatically [12:47] ok [12:49] seb128: Will you get around to accepting network-manager-{openvpn,vpnc} today? Universe FF is getting dangerously close. :-) [12:49] shawarma: I though that Mithrandir was on them, will do if he doesn't [12:51] seb128: they should be easy enough, so please just grab them. [12:51] seb128: Ah, I thought he took off his archive admin hat monday evening. [12:51] Mithrandir: ok [12:51] shawarma: well, that doesn't prevent to have a look on package you are interested in ;) [12:51] shawarma: the release-manager hat is firmly in place ;) [12:52] tepsipakki: True. :-) [12:52] Mithrandir: speaking of RM hat, cups 1.2.8 looks pretty sane: http://www.cups.org/articles.php?L443 === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mirv [n=tajyrink@vipunen.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:53] Mithrandir: oh, and I've got a new f-spot (0.3.4) package that seems to work, shall I file a bug for it? [12:53] ajmitch: yes, please. Or give me a link here and I can look at it. [12:54] source package or debdiff? [12:54] debdiff, please. [12:55] pitti: yeah, looks sane enough. Go ahead. [12:55] Mithrandir: will do, thanks === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] http://ajmitch.net.nz/debuild/mono/bzr/f-spot/f-spot_0.3.3-0.3.4.debdiff [12:56] I still have to fill in the changelog before uploading [12:57] pitti: hm, the binary packages libndesk-dbus1.0-cil and libndesk-dbus-glib1.0-cil are still in universe, only the sources are in main [12:57] slomo: hm, let me look [12:57] pitti: or LP confuses me... but tomboy is again on depwait because it can't find the packages [12:58] slomo: weird, I NEWed them to main === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-5ca264103c5cb2fb] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] slomo: libndesk-dbus-glib1.0-cil is in main already [12:59] slomo: promoted libndesk-dbus1.0-cil now; for some reason that didn't work the first time I tried it === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] pitti: but not the other? hmm, thanks :) and apart from that archive.ubuntu.com seems to be broken, i didn't get anything new since yesterday evening ;) [01:00] slomo: me too, doesn't even pong here [01:01] slomo: I get a 'Destination Port Unreachable' from the DC, too, I just asked the sysadmins [01:02] pitti: hm, well as long as everything still builds with the new packages it's not too bad ;) [01:02] slomo: I'm not sure whether the buildds use archive.u.c or drescher directly, but I suspect the former === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.13.96.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubuntu_demon [n=ubuntu_d@ubuntu/member/ubuntudemon/-x-12083] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] pitti: if your around is there a way to repack the apport crash reports so i can retrace for debugging symbols? === pkl_ [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:43] gnomefreak: apport-retrace can take a launchpad bug number [01:44] gnomefreak: it'll download the dump and retrace from it [01:44] just apport-retrace bug 11111? [01:44] Malone bug 11111 in kernel-package "Grubs menu.lst gets overwritten every time a kernel update is done" [Medium,Rejected] https://launchpad.net/bugs/11111 === hoora_217166 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-e4decd4ea35622eb] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:46] gnomefreak: apport-retrace -g nnnnnn [01:47] ah ok ty [01:47] np [01:47] ill try it [01:47] or -s if you want to print the retrace on the command line rather than attaching gdb === noela [n=Ys@cm69070.red.mundo-r.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@66.208.16.135] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] i dont need to tell it what bug tracker like malone ##### === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-28-241.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:52] gnomefreak: no, just the launchpad bug number [01:52] why can't I get either beryl or compiz to work? [01:52] probably because of the xorg updates [01:52] seb128: ok its running we will see what happens :) [01:52] try again when new mesa has built [01:54] Keybuk: used to work? [01:54] tepsipakki: never tried it [01:54] was trying to demo it last night [01:54] a-ha! :) [01:54] and both failed completely [01:55] I did think that it's a pretty good idea that we're *not* shipping them as default [01:55] gandalfn who work on compiz told me it was broken for him yesterday after the libxrandr update [01:55] compiz vaguely worked, but gnome-panel kept crashing [01:55] he had some white screen problem [01:55] beryl also vaguely worked, but the controls inside the windows were incredibly slow to update -- if they updated at all [01:56] Keybuk: weird, it should not impact on the panel ... did you install an external libwnck? [01:56] seb128: nope, just desktop-effects [01:56] umm, isn't including full coredumps in the bugreports reported by apport and keeping them forever available for everyone to see in launchpad a pretty bad privacy hazard, at least for firefox and other web browsers? [01:56] do you have a backtrace or crash file for the problem with compiz? [01:56] seb128: I can get you one [01:57] Trewas: don't send a dump if you don't want to [01:57] Keybuk: would be nice, thank you [01:58] seb128: I know, but if the people knew what it actually sends (I checked a few coredumps) I doubt anyone would let it... but I guess it's ok if it has some very, very prominent warnings [01:58] Trewas: the apport dialog say it might contain private datas, no? [01:59] seb128: s/might/will surely/ would be more honest, at least in case of firefox [01:59] what datas does it send? [02:00] I don't know for firefox but for many programs there is nothing private to the crash file === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:00] do you consider things like the URL you were browsing as private data? [02:00] at least a large number of urls from the browsing history, I assume also saved form-data could also be found if one was filled recently (meaning for example credit card numbers) [02:00] seb128: does it also warn you that the data will be posted on the web and indexed by google? :) [02:00] seb128: firefox tends to have passwords in memory [02:00] seb128: retracing it gives paths to files using the -v -d options [02:01] doesnt send passwords or anything from what i have seen === pochu [n=pochu@38.Red-88-7-170.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:01] Treenaks: non-crypted password? [02:02] heno: google will not index the content of the coredump.gz [02:02] anyway that's something know [02:02] seb128: it grabbed the symbols using -g nnnn and dropped me to gdb what do i do from gdb? [02:02] I think the plan at some point is to have a crash collector system [02:03] and move crashes to bugs then [02:03] gnomefreak: thread apply all bt [02:03] gnomefreak: if you don't know about gdb you probably want to use the -s option rather than the -g one === jamesh [n=james@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cprov [n=cprov@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-69-221.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.68.74] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:15] how much time does it currently take for a build package to appear on the archive? [02:15] geser: between .05 and 1.5 hours usually [02:15] erm, s/0.05/0.5/ === chand| [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:18] what could block a2mp3 (finished building at 2007-02-21 01:51:36 CET) to not reached the archive yet? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:19] geser: archive.ubuntu.com currently seems to have troubles [02:19] ok, thanks === AstralJava [n=jaska@cm-087-94-053-172.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A67D2E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:30] pitti: dpkg-source complains if the maintainer is set to a kubuntu e-mail address, is that your doing? [02:30] Riddell: hmm, let me look === autoexec [n=mcon147@CPE-60-230-3-131.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:31] + if ($fi{'C Maintainer'} !~ /ubuntu/) { [02:31] + &error(_g('Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address')); [02:31] Riddell: ^ since @kubuntu.org matches /ubuntu/, I'm confused [02:31] pitti: never mind, my fault [02:32] I kept the old maintainer line as well without changing it [02:32] but thanks for poking, I just saw a bug in the check [02:32] or, rather, it was correct before applying the bug fix [02:33] ah, no, it's alright === _TomB [n=tomb@host217-44-205-57.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Adri2000 [n=adri2000@ubuntu/member/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkl_ [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pirast [n=martin@p508B25BA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:16] dholbach: where can I find the source for gdm artwork in hoary? === ne78 [n=ne@cust-174-176.dsl.versateladsl.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180112078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:18] Will xorg 7.2 (with xserver 1.3 is possible) be part of fesity or feisty+1 ? === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-96-18.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:20] dholbach: forget it, I foudn it [03:23] ne78: we are working to get it for feisty, several lib and mesa have already been updated [03:23] ne78: I'm not sure about xserver 1.3 though, is it available yet? === givr2 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-87-139.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:33] seb128: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-February/022005.html [03:34] ne78: I think we will try to get xorg 7.2 and xserver 1.2 first and then we will see [03:35] xserver 1.3 is basically just 1.2 + randr 1.2 [03:35] seb128: randr 1.2 is the feature i would ove to have in feisty [03:35] ne78: randr 1.2 has been uploaded yesterday we will see what we can do for the server when we update it [03:35] seb128: cool [03:35] no reply for now [03:36] but we will look at it === Kagou [n=Kagou@88.140.38.138] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DB669.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:53]