=== mpt [n=mpt@121-72-137-28.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === XiXaQ [n=joerlend@237-191.dsl.freewave.no] has joined #Ubuntu-doc [02:09] New bug: #48462 in kubuntu-docs (main) "Konqueror's help refers to menus removed in default Kubuntu profiles" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48462 === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dgold [n=dgold@dsl-51-63.dsl.netsource.ie] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-doc === j1mc [n=j1m@adsl-75-21-75-181.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === xara|away [n=xara@203-118-187-170.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === xara|away is now known as Liz [04:23] quick question for anyone.. [04:23] are the two ubuntu books i saw at a tech show today, from any of our team? [04:23] show = shop [04:24] Liz: link? [04:24] Liz: The one entitled "The Official Ubuntu Book" is. Ubuntu Hacks may be as well - I don't remember the author. [04:24] (As in, Jono might be on that one - I think he was for Linux Desktop Hacks) [04:25] the Official Ubuntu Book is written by Jono Bacon, Benjamin Mako Hell, and Corey Burger [04:25] i didnt have a look online ..wait one [04:25] no, thats not the one i saw then [04:25] so that is the one to get imho [04:25] one was written by a french author [04:25] i wanted to check before i actually got one [04:25] besides..it was $80 NZD for the book [04:26] Admiral_Chicago: don't forget Jonathan Jesse as well [04:26] Jonathan wrote chapter 7 [04:26] and others...actually. [04:26] there is some community writing in there as well [04:26] it was all created pretty much from community writing of some sort [04:27] I can't wait for the feisty release [04:27] speaking of which... [04:27] thats true [04:27] Admiral_Chicago: Benjamin Mako Hell? :-) [04:27] wth? [04:27] hahahahahahaha [04:27] lol [04:27] LaserJock: oh, dvorak keyboard...you know [04:27] dude, you just lost your membership!! [04:27] gahahahaha [04:27] Admiral_Chicago: quit blaming dvorak for that [04:27] oh that's way off regardless [04:27] HAHAHHa === Admiral_Chicago ducks === nixternal talks to mako [04:29] ya, like he is ever online [04:29] damn, he is online [04:29] hahaha [04:29] LaserJock: you watch Boston Legal? [04:29] nope [04:30] oh wow, this show is hillarious [04:30] I'm guessing Mako Hell is where Bill Gates will go ;-) [04:30] rofl [04:30] oh wow, I just got an idea [04:31] ya that's the second time nixternal pointed out me mispelling his name. [04:31] http://www.techbooks.co.nz/scripts/techsearch.asp [04:31] haha, that's right [04:31] last time you spelled his name make [04:31] thomas K was the one i saw [04:31] yup [04:32] the official ubuntu book wasnt on display [04:32] tho that database says they had it [04:32] id rather support our guys of course [04:33] hence why i had to come and ask === j1mc [n=j1m@adsl-75-21-75-181.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === j1mc [n=j1m@adsl-75-21-75-181.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:53] Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3827 kubuntu/printing/C/printing.xml: kubuntu printing section - added new content [06:56] Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3828 kubuntu/printing/C/printing.xml: spell check is a neat feature :) === xipietotec [n=jackfros@194.115.109.66.static.dis.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:03] morning [09:08] hi mdke [09:10] hiya LaserJock [09:15] LaserJock: sent you a mail [09:25] mdke: very interesting === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:30] LaserJock: so did you discover how hard it is to make two binaries out of ubuntu-docs? Do you think we should just proceed and make a separate source package? It might be harder to get it into the repo [09:31] well, it's certainly doable [09:31] I'm just struggling for time these day :/ [09:31] waaaay to many deadlines at roughly the same time [09:32] ya. 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[08:18] LaserJock: it is only 7pm there, he is to young to be in bed that early :) [08:19] but young enough to be out doing non-Ubuntu things I suppose [08:19] ;-) [08:19] on a Wednesday? never [08:19] haha [08:20] I wonder if Christina Armstrong is ever on IRC [08:24] did you get her email as well today? [08:24] I seen her in #ubuntu-marketing like once I think [08:25] hmm [08:25] She came on for a meeting once or twice. Nick was c?a, I think. Maybe cja? [08:25] ya, something like that [08:30] nixternal: I was going to file a bug but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to say [08:31] LaserJock: hi [08:32] mdke: well, I was able to get an ubuntu-serverguide .deb built [08:33] ooh [08:33] LaserJock: YAAAAYYY! [08:33] mdke: but I'm still trying to get all the files going to the right package [08:33] maybe I can help with that === tonyyarusso high-fives anyone involved in packaging extra guides for installation locally. [08:34] LaserJock: are you going to commit it? [08:35] or maybe send me a patch or something with instructions about how I can help [08:35] mdke: well, I had a couple questions [08:35] what format do we want to ship the serverguide as? [08:36] and I'm assuming we don't want it to depend on ubuntu-docs, is that right? [08:36] yes [08:36] html [08:36] take the serverguide target from ubuntu/Makefile [08:37] is the HTML done that way standalone? [08:37] or does it link to common stuff? [08:37] yes, you need the css and img stuff of course [08:37] you'll see that under the serverguide target [08:37] I'm just trying to figure out how to work this [08:38] because 2 .debs can't own the same files [08:38] so you'll need build/ubuntu/serverguide and build/ubuntu/common [08:38] so I'm not sure what to do with the common files [08:38] install everything in /usr/share/ubuntu-serverguide/ [08:38] yeah [08:38] so /usr/share/ubuntu-serverguide/common and /usr/share/ubuntu-serverguide/html [08:39] exactly [08:39] that will work fine [08:40] now we still want the serverguide XML in ubuntu-docs? [08:40] no, that isn't shipped in ubuntu-docs [08:40] or is the stuff you want in ubuntu/ [08:40] you don't need to change anything shipped in ubuntu-docs [08:41] debian/rules has a section for installing generic/serverguide/ [08:41] for doc in server; do \ [08:41] not here [08:41] server |= serverguide [08:41] oh, that's the server material for TBH? [08:42] that should be left [08:42] nixternal: what's all that weird kubuntu/tmplibs about? [08:42] I see, I was equating the two, my bad [08:44] mdke: in the install though I see: [08:44] generic/serverguide/sample/* usr/share/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu/sample [08:44] stuff left over I guess [08:44] I'll deal with that [08:45] nixternal: I think I see what you're trying to do, you want to change the html.stylesheet parameter. But you shouldn't create a whole new separate folder with new files for that, just pass the parameter on the command in the Makefile. See the command under the "index" target in ubuntu/Makefile [08:48] mdke: ya, that was fine, however calling the images can't be changed like that [08:48] that is why I did it like that temporarily [08:49] nixternal: you are using different images? [08:49] same images, but in the xslt template they are called ../../common and for the index.xml I need them as common/ [08:50] s/are called/are called as/ [08:50] no, adjusting the path to the css works fine for that [08:50] because the images are called by the css [08:50] well for Kubuntu docs none of the images are called rom css [08:50] s/rom/from [08:51] how are they called? [08:51] kde-default nor kubuntu-default call the images. they are hardcoded in one of the .xsl files in kubuntu/libs [08:51] eww [08:51] why? I don't know, I guess they have been that way since day one [08:51] I will look at changing that though [08:52] hmm, so it seems ESR wants to become a MOTU [08:52] haha [08:53] I'm not sure how that will be [08:53] nixternal: surely there must be a better way to do that than creating new files. Maybe just one separate xsl file will work [08:53] I might have to watch what I say a bit more [08:54] mdke: the way the 3 xsl templates are tied in requires duplication of the 3 [08:54] I will fix that though [08:54] I need to get ready for school, so in between classes tonight I will look into it [08:55] man, this is going to make me nervous [08:56] nixternal: you can customise xsl like you can with css files [08:59] wow, ESR was a Red Hat guy for 13 years? [09:00] mdke: I've got a seminar to go to, shouldn't be more than 45 min. and then I should have a package for you shortly === stelis [n=se@82-71-4-26.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:07] LaserJock: awesome, I'll take a look later, thx === AlexLatchford [n=alex@82-44-193-109.cable.ubr07.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:36] New bug: #86837 in kubuntu-docs (main) "[Feisty] Links incorrect on Konqi main page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86837 === stelis [n=se@82-71-4-26.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [10:07] mdke: around? [10:07] LaserJock: (In case I'm not around at the moment, please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I get back) [10:07] lol [10:09] mdke: so ESR want's to make a man page browser system === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ppp-121-93.25-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:44] LaserJock: he is late, KHelpCenter has done that for more than 10 years now :) [10:44] nixternal: well, it's a bit different [10:45] he actually wants to put all documentation in one place [10:45] it's almost like our TBH stuff [10:45] ahhh [10:45] he want's make a large serchable database of documentation === motin_ [n=motin@c-208472d5.09-32-73746f42.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:46] tell him to get on it then [10:46] so he is currently grabbing *every* man page in Ubuntu [10:46] just don't blog about Ubuntu is all I ask [10:46] and he's going to turn it into docbook [10:46] he was good in 99 when he wrote the revenge or whatever of hackers [10:46] since then he has been a virus [10:47] alright, class time. I will bbiab to work on the xsl and css for Kubuntu docs, and now that bug jjesse created [10:48] nixternal: well, he might be coming over here shortly so be nice ;-) === esr [n=esr@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:00] Anybody home? [11:01] hi! [11:02] funny seeing you here ;-) [11:11] LserJock: I've made a launchpad account. Should I just write up a spec, or are there political steps best taken first? [11:12] esr: well, it doesn't really hurt to make the spec [11:12] esr: but if it was me I'd send an email to the doc mailing list to sort of throw it around a bit [11:13] I will heed your advice. [11:13] I've already subscribed. [11:14] a spec, in and of itself, doesn't mean a whole lot so there's not really any harm in creating one [11:14] but I'm sure the team will have questions/comments/suggestions so I kinda like to braindump it to the list first [11:14] usually because I don't want to make an idiot of myself [11:16] That's a good reason:-). [11:17] although making an idiot of myself on a mailing list does tend to be a bit more permanent than doing it on the wiki [11:17] LaserJock: hi [11:17] mdke! [11:17] I got it [11:17] nice work [11:17] mdke: what's the best way to rename a file in svn? [11:17] svn mv? [11:18] doh [11:18] maybe I've been using CVS too much lately, I thought it was more complicated [11:19] esr: I think you should continue talking to the gnome guys about help systems, they are working on a new project which probably overlaps with what I've read above [11:20] in terms of desktop help systems, we'll be following GNOME in Ubuntu [11:21] there's definitely room for system wide specifications, but there is existing talking upstream about it so that's the place to work === rafael_carreras [n=rafael_c@62.57.232.12] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:26] mdke: I hear you. What I'm actually hoping to do is sell this concept to the Linux Foundation, spin up a distribution-independent documentation infrastructure group fuunded by them, and then flog the resulting software to all distros. [11:27] ah. [11:27] That having been said, there are things about Ubunti that suggest it would be the right place to do the first implementation. [11:27] well, dig around for a spec on it, it exists [11:27] Project Mallard? Googling now... [11:28] there is some free desktop stuff on it too, I think [11:28] talk to DonS and shaunm about it in the gnome-docs team === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-137-28.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke goes to bed [11:29] Oh, crap. I'm reading the Project Mallard spec... [11:29] mdke: just a sec [11:29] mdke: should I just commit my changes? [11:29] LaserJock: if they work, why not :) [11:29] mdke: make sure to look them over [11:30] ...and it looks like a recipe for a mess to me. First, they want to write a new markup language... [11:30] I'm a little unsure of dependencies for the serverguide [11:30] and we don't *need* a new markup language! We've got too many of the crusty buggers as it is! [11:31] esr: plenty of discussion on the list about that. I myself questioned it and got some good responses [11:31] LaserJock: will do [11:31] night === rafael_carreras [n=rafael_c@62.57.232.12] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Kopete] [12:02] Ubuntu Documentation: mantha * r3829 debian/ (11 files): [12:02] Ubuntu Documentation: * reworked packaging to make a standalone server guide .deb [12:02] Ubuntu Documentation: * updated long descriptions of the packages now that the server guide [12:02] Ubuntu Documentation: and packaging guide aren't shipped [12:03] \o/ === lionel_ [n=lionel@ip-61.net-82-216-103.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kupesoft [n=dave@CPE004010100002-CM0013718cb08a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc