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GNUrowhy does dh_make give us a copyright file such as "This is <program name> , written and maintained by ..." instead of "This package was debianized by.."?12:28
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tonyyarussotepsipakki: dh_make wanted it to be named that way - is it okay to change?12:33
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tonyyarussoWhat do things like "dpkg-source: warning: executable mode 0755 of `config.sub' will not be represented in diff" mean?12:40
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slomogiskard: ping?01:13
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bddebianHeya gang02:22
pochuhi bddebian :)02:22
bddebianHello pochu02:23
ajmitchah, it's a bddebian 02:23
bddebianUh oh, what'd I do now? :)02:23
LathiatRUN02:24
pochunothing with listen, I think :)02:24
pochubddebian: how much time needs a package to get to the archive?02:24
bddebianCan depend.  Did it build successfully this time?02:25
ajmitchbddebian: you sound guilty, what did you do?02:25
bddebianajmitch: I'm always guilty of something :-)02:26
ajmitchguilty of complaining about yourself02:27
pochubddebian: succesfully! :) https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/listen/0.5-0ubuntu202:27
pochuin all architectures :)02:27
bddebianajmitch: Not complaining, just truth-telling :_)02:28
bddebianpochu: It can depend but usually like every 3 hours or so I think02:29
pochubddebian: ok, ty :)02:30
pochuI wasn't sure it had built successfully, but now that I've seen it, I'm very happyyyyyyyyy :D02:30
pochuhowever, listen won't be there with geser, slomo and yours' help :)02:31
pochubut it's there!!02:31
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pochuhehe02:31
pochuhi Fujitsu :)02:31
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bddebiangeser: ping (gpib)?02:43
bddebianOK, who knows udev rules?02:45
=== pochu doens't :(
pochudoesn't*02:49
imbrandonhum ho02:51
imbrandonello all02:51
bddebianHeya imbrandon02:51
pochuhi imbrandon02:51
imbrandonmoins pochu 02:51
=== imbrandon finaly got his new cellphone
pochuimbrandon: which one?02:52
imbrandonmotorola razor02:53
pochuimbrandon: link? :)02:53
imbrandonone sec02:53
imbrandonhttp://www.mycricket.com/plansphones/motorolamotoslvrl7c02:54
imbrandonmp3 player, micro sd, bluetooth, etc etc etc02:55
imbrandonkinda nice02:55
imbrandoncamera, camcorder too02:55
bddebianhum de dum dum02:58
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imbrandonheya bddebian 02:58
bddebianhello again imbrandon :-)02:59
imbrandonlol02:59
LaserJockimbrandon: cool phone03:00
bddebianHeya LaserJock03:00
LaserJockI went to the Cingular store yesterda to see if I could get an upgrade03:00
LaserJockbut I'd have to pay 50% more just to get to the lowest priced plan :/03:01
LaserJockhi bddebian 03:01
jdongimbrandon: does it have a bathroom timer too to tell you when it's about time to look for the closest restroom?03:01
pochujdong: lol :)03:02
pochuimbrandon: nice phone03:02
bddebianc'mon who can help me name these stupid udev rules files?03:02
jdongpochu: that's my favorite comeback for "whoa, look at my new $TI_calc! It does $cheap_algebra_op_1 and $cheap_algebra_op_2!"03:02
imbrandonjdong, lol03:03
pochuhehe03:03
imbrandonLaserJock, get cricket, thats what i have, they have cric in reno03:03
imbrandoni love it03:03
=== pochu should think in change his cellphone
pochuhttp://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_c380_c385-658.php03:04
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LaserJockimbrandon: did you really pay like $200 for that phone?03:06
imbrandon$214 + tax03:07
imbrandonyea03:07
LaserJockmust be nice having a real job ;-)03:07
imbrandonheh03:07
Lathiatheh03:08
Lathiatyeh i dont want to go back to study now03:08
Lathiattoo much money owrking03:08
LaserJockI'm paying $60/month for two lines and the phones were free03:08
LaserJockand that was a stretch03:08
imbrandoni pay 55 a month for unlimited everything , web voicemail longdistance etc etc etc03:09
imbrandonand its 10 bux more per phone/line03:09
imbrandonso for 2 it would be 6503:09
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LaserJockwow, that is good03:09
=== bddebian would like to throw his cell phone in the ocean
imbrandonthats why i like cricket03:09
LaserJockimbrandon: have you tried the mobile web?03:10
imbrandonthey are great if you have them in your 5~area and reno does03:10
Megaqwertycould anyone point me to a tutorial or something to learn how to package .deb files?03:10
imbrandonyea i was on gmail earlier when i got the phone03:10
imbrandon!packageguide03:10
ubotuThe packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources03:10
Megaqwertythanks03:10
imbrandonMegaqwerty, there ya go03:10
bddebianDamnit, beat me to it03:10
imbrandonhehe03:10
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imbrandonasac?03:11
imbrandonis that a nick?03:11
ajmitchfirefox guy03:11
ajmitchyes03:11
imbrandonahh03:11
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ajmitchmight be easier to split it into another source package03:12
gnomefreakajmitch: its fun03:12
gnomefreakajmitch: dpkg-buildpackage :)03:13
zul_ajmitch: i think if you check his launchpad page it would probably tell you03:13
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ajmitchgnomefreak: that's so helpful03:19
gnomefreakajmitch: really to build ff you cd into the firefox dir after unpacking. make your changes (as long as its a point release (patch or what not) just run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -k<keyid> and it will build03:19
gnomefreakajmitch: see above :)03:19
ajmitchgnomefreak: yeah, I think I know how to build packages thanks :)03:19
ajmitchgnomefreak: when I said another binary package, I meant an additional one, as specifcied in debian/control03:20
gnomefreakfigured that thats why i didnt answer right away03:21
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ajmitchso you figured that, but said it anyway? :)03:22
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tonyyarussoCan someone help me decipher lintian output please?03:23
bddebianpastebin it03:23
tonyyarusso'k03:24
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gnomefreakajmitch: you might be able to catch him in #ubuntu-mozillateam tomorrow he said he was gone for the day03:25
tonyyarussobddebian: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6801/03:27
bddebiantonyyarusso: THe NMU warnings you can ignore03:28
tonyyarussoThe CVS directories were included in the tarball, btw.03:28
bddebianAye, and they shouldn't be03:28
tonyyarussobddebian: Okay.  (What does NMU mean anyway?)03:28
bddebianNon-Maintainer Upload03:28
tonyyarussoah03:28
tonyyarussoShould rules have something to remove the CVS stuff?03:28
bddebianNo, they should be removed from the tarball :-)03:30
bddebianEither get upstream to remove them or you can re-pack it. (Upstream fixing is preferred)03:30
bddebianSame goes for config.log and any generated files. If they are there, they should be cleaned also03:31
bddebianIf config.log is coming from your build, make sure you have a clean target and are doing 'make clean' or whatever is appropriate03:31
tonyyarussoWell, there's certainly no hope of getting upstream to remove them by the 22nd, I figure.  What's the proper way to delete them?  Through the diff, or rules?03:31
bddebianNeither03:31
tonyyarussoI thought we weren't supposed to modify the tarball though?03:32
bddebianIdeally we aren't03:32
tonyyarussoBut this would be an acceptable exception?03:32
bddebianDepends on who you ask03:32
tonyyarussoAll right, cut to the chase: Would either leaving them or modifying it to remove them be grounds for rejecting the upload?03:34
bddebianajmitch: ^^ ?03:34
bddebiantonyyarusso: Personally, I would whack them and make a note in debian/README.Debian but I'm wrong often :)03:38
tonyyarussonoted03:39
tonyyarussobddebian: Is there a set format to README.Debian?  (I already lost the .ex)03:43
bddebianNope, it's just a place for comments/notes, etc related to the package03:43
bddebianAt least not that I've ever seen03:43
Lathiatpretty sure your right03:44
bddebianWow, that's a first ;-P03:45
tonyyarussoIf I get this done and up on REVU tonight, is anyone available to take a look soon enough for possible Feisty inclusion?  (I know the deadline is Thursday, kinda tight...)03:46
bddebianWe can try03:46
tonyyarusso:)03:47
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RAOFHey, anyone want to give a second ACK (or reject based on linda output) for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4426 ?04:15
RAOFI finally heard back from the original packager, and he's cool with me fixing his stuff :)04:15
RAOF#ubuntu-devel04:19
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bddebianBROADCOM MUST DIE04:39
RAOFYour wireless sucks?04:39
joejaxxmozilla-browser/seamonkey is not in feisty?04:40
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crimsunjoejaxx: no, and no.04:40
joejaxxbroadcom works for me04:40
RAOFbddebian: Thanks for gnome-compiz-manager, review, btw.04:40
RAOFjoejaxx: Are you running Feisty?04:41
RAOFBecause Feisty seems to be breaking the poor Broadcomm users into little pieces.04:41
joejaxxcrimsun: were they taken out on purpose?04:41
crimsunyes.04:41
joejaxxoh ok04:41
bddebianRAOF: Yeah feisty and I had it working until my latest dist-upgrade :-(04:42
joejaxxcrimsun: did i miss a mailing list discussion?04:42
RAOFcrimsun: Incidentally, have I thanked you for fixing my ASUS laptop's sound?  If not, thanks :)04:42
joejaxxbddebian: :(04:42
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crimsunbddebian: bah, it's not feisty's supposed to /work/04:43
crimsunnot like ^04:43
joejaxx:P04:44
ajmitchcrimsun: isn't that why the developers pull an all-nighter just before release?04:44
crimsunajmitch: oh of course!04:44
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ajmitchsince they have nothing better to do anyway04:45
bddebianThis freakin sucks donkey ....04:46
crimsunjoejaxx: there have been a[t least a]  couple threads about m-b/iceape, fixing Depends/Suggests/Recommends, and what Ubuntu plans to do [in short, using firefox/thunderbird/etc.] 04:47
joejaxxwhich list? maybe i am not subscribed to it04:48
crimsunshould be u-d-*, see bug 77009 for an example that resulted04:49
UbugtuMalone bug 77009 in wysihtml "failed deps on iceweasel | iceape-browser | icedove" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7700904:49
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joejaxxcrimsun: oh alright thanks :)04:52
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nixternalLaserJock: 22:46:05 [     mako]  yes, very cute :)   <- Mako Hell is where Bill Gats will go :)05:46
LaserJocknixternal: hehe05:56
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bddebianuh oh06:00
=== tritium things evolution wants him to get fired for missing meetings. Why else wouldn't it give me alarm notifications for my exchange account? ;)
LaserJockoops06:06
tritiumHey LaserJock06:06
LaserJockhi tritium 06:06
LaserJocktritium: how's it going? other than missing meetings?06:08
tonyyarussopbuilder just failed to build, giving all kinds of stuff like this:06:08
tonyyarussotar: mozilla/embedding/qa/mozembed/src/mozEmbed.h: Cannot open: No such file or directory06:08
tonyyarussotar: Skipping to next header06:08
tritiumLaserJock: not bad.  You?  Any news?06:08
LaserJocktritium: oh, getting data. Got a postdoc working for/with me now06:08
tritiumExcellent.06:09
LaserJocktritium: she's a biochemist though so some of the more "physicsy" stuff takes some time06:09
tonyyarussoThose files do exist...06:09
LaserJocktonyyarusso: where?06:09
tritiumLaserJock: right on.06:09
tonyyarussoLaserJock: In both the tarball and my extracted source dir.06:09
RAOFLaserJock: Cool.  I wish I had someone to simplify huge, awkward algebraic expressions for me06:10
LaserJocktonyyarusso: hmm06:10
RAOFMaybe I should accidentally set them as questions for my tutees :)06:11
tonyyarussoLaserJock: what can I do?06:11
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LaserJockRAOF: it's all about delegation06:21
tonyyarussoLaserJock: any ideas whatsoever?06:21
LaserJocktonyyarusso: I'm not really sure, just make sure the files are in the source package and they are really where pbuilder thinks they are06:21
RAOFtonyyarusso: Particularly, you might want to make sure that the current-working-directory is where you think it is at that point of debian/rules.06:23
tonyyarussoLaserJock: Not sure how to check where pbuilder thinks they are.06:26
tonyyarussoRAOF: How?06:26
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tonyyarussoBy the way, I used -sa with debuild, so it would be ready for REVU - does pbuilder need it done without?06:26
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RAOFtonyyarusso: By eye, really.  I suppose you could add a punch of "echo `pwd`" to debian/rules, though.06:30
pochugood night guys :)06:32
tonyyarussoRAOF: I'll try looking through it...I don't understand the debian/rules file at all though.  Guess I'm not getting this done tonight :(06:32
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tonyyarussoI'm off for the night then.  Thanks.06:39
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AnAntbddebian: thanks06:59
bddebianAnAnt: NP07:01
bddebianGnight folks07:01
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dholbachgood morning08:07
LaserJockmorning dholbach 08:08
dholbachhey LaserJock08:09
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LaserJockwhat?08:13
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tsmithedholbach, could i pester you for some reviews?08:13
dholbachtsmithe: it's best to drop me a mail with the packages you want to get reviewed08:13
dholbachtsmithe: that way i don't forget it and can shove it between other tasks08:13
dholbachtsmithe: but yeah, I'm happy to08:13
tsmithethank you very much08:14
tsmithewhat's the e-mail address i should use?08:15
LaserJocktsmithe: yeah, I think the best thing to do is to get on people's TODO list08:15
dholbachtsmithe: dholbach ubuntu com08:15
tsmithecool08:15
tsmithethanks08:15
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tsmitheright - i'm off08:33
tsmitheLaserJock, anyone, if you do happen to catch a spare moment, you know what i'd like ;)08:33
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siretartslomo: pong? :)09:01
LaserJockdholbach: will motu-council be public?09:13
LaserJockor is it for inter-council communications like TB's09:13
dholbachLaserJock: public09:14
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slomosiretart: can you take a look at #86515 ? thanks :)09:46
siretartbug 8651509:47
UbugtuMalone bug 86515 in ndesk-dbus "UVF exception: ndesk-dbus 0.4.1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8651509:47
ajmitchnew version already?09:48
siretartslomo: done :)09:48
slomosiretart: thanks :)09:48
RAOFCan someone give the second ACK (or complain about the linda warnings) for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4426 ?09:49
slomoajmitch: yep, since yesterday... some bugfixes only :)09:50
LaserJockman, Council Greyskull meeting is 10UTC? I'm glad I'm nobody nominated me ;-)09:53
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ajmitchhaha09:56
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LaserJockThe_8472: is that what's going in bug #86434 ?10:04
UbugtuMalone bug 86434 in azureus "Azureus won't start in Feisty Herd 4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8643410:04
The_8472no idea, i'm not an ubuntu user... i'm just az support staffer ;)10:05
LaserJockThe_8472: right, I just thought it might look familiar ;-)10:06
The_8472and that bugreport doesn't include the logfile, so i can't tell if it's the same or not10:06
The_8472did you guys recently upgrade some gtk libs?10:07
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LaserJockThe_8472: that's certainly possible. Do you know what release?10:09
The_8472you mean of ubuntu?10:09
LaserJockyeah10:10
The_8472no, but i can ask the user10:10
LaserJockdo you know which one is having the problem?10:10
The_8472#10:10
The_8472OS:testing/unstable10:10
The_8472#10:10
The_847210:10
The_8472#10:10
The_8472uname:Linux 2.6.17-11-generic #2 SMP Thu Feb 1 19:52:28 UTC 2007 i68610:10
The_8472if that helps10:11
Amaranthit's reading it as a debian system :P10:12
Amaranthbut that's 6.1010:12
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LaserJockbah, I don't even know where we get swt/gtk10:13
LaserJocklooks like maybe eclipse10:13
RAOFAmaranth: Have you had any trouble with Compiz today?10:16
AmaranthRAOF: i haven't updated today10:16
RAOFAh.  I think some of the new Xorg stuff is breaking it.  Upgrade and see :)10:16
Amaranthand i downgraded to the libx11 that doesn't use libxcb10:17
Amaranthbecause i couldn't login due to an xcb error :)10:17
RAOF:)10:17
Amaranthoh, bleh10:17
RAOF?10:17
Amaranthnothing10:18
Amaranthi thought that libx11 was in the repos now10:18
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RAOFWell, if you're not doing anything, want to provide the second ACK for gnome-compiz-manager?10:18
RAOF:P10:18
Amaranthuh10:19
Amaranthi'm not a person that can ACK things on revu10:19
Amaranthi'm not even registered in revu10:19
RAOFWell, that's not very helpful!10:19
LaserJockAmaranth: lucky you ;-)10:19
RAOFHow can you not be a MOTU?10:19
RAOFSilly person!10:19
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ajmitchI just lurk here :)10:20
The_8472LaserJock, since we usually tell ubuntu users to fetch an official build from our site and it works afterwards i guess its due to the outdated SWT version in the ubuntu repos10:20
The_8472we ship with swt 33XX. ubuntu uses 323510:21
LaserJockThe_8472: I'm just guessing it'd be a bit difficult for use to fix10:23
LaserJock*us10:24
The_8472isn't it possible to make user-specific installations? something that would go to ~/bin/azureus or something like that?10:25
The_8472this way azureus could use its own updater10:25
LaserJockThe_8472: the user could do that I guess10:25
The_8472yes, we tell them to do it... the problem is that users expect the repo-version to work, and if it doesn't they often come to us :/10:26
LaserJockthe problem is 6.10 has already been released and so it's very difficult to put new versions into it10:27
LaserJockwe don't know if/what we're breaking by fixing one bug, etc.10:27
The_8472a fix for the next version would be sufficient... as long as that kind of problem is fixed on the long term10:27
The_8472i mean it's not the first time that we have run into problems with "customized" builds for repos10:28
LaserJockhow would I know what swt version I have?10:30
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The_8472if azureus is running you can check under help -> about10:31
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LaserJockThe_8472: I can imagine. This is a common disto/upstream issue10:46
LaserJockThe_8472: I would either file a bug or email the ubuntu-motu mailing list10:48
LaserJockthat way more people (and hopefully the more knowledgable one) can chime in10:48
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givreheya people10:50
givrecan someone upload http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4417 bddebian belived that it needed first to be remove from NEW (i have an old version waiting here), but seb128 said me that it wan't needed10:52
givrethanks10:52
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GNUroHello!11:01
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AstralJavaCould anybody be kind enough to help me find out why my pbuilder doesn't see glib.h? Lots of information here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6831/ Thanks! :)11:10
slomogiskard: ping? :)11:11
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StevenKAstralJava: Is the #include <glib.h> or <glib-2.0/glib.h> ?11:18
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AstralJavaStevenK: It's #include <glib.h>11:20
StevenKThat would be why it can't be found, then. It's supposed to be <glib-2.0/glib.h>11:21
xerxasHi all11:21
AstralJavaStevenK: Thanks! Now since I'm new to packaging stuff, what's the best approach in fixing this? I can't seem to reach the upstream author, and since it's very close to deadline already, I can't wait for an answer anymore.11:24
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StevenKI'd suggest a patch.11:26
AstralJavaAlright. Thanks again!11:26
davieyAm i rightt in saying, If you were doing absolute path it would be #include "glib-2.0/glib.h" 11:27
StevenKNot "", "" and <> are different for #include.11:30
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Kagoudholbach: is there an end line for uvf for feisty ?! (Bug #86480 and Bug #86517)11:37
UbugtuMalone bug 86480 in dcraw "UVF exception : dcraw 8.39 -> 8.54" [Wishlist,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8648011:37
UbugtuMalone bug 86517 in gimp-dcraw "UVF exception : gimp-dcraw 1.27 -> 1.29" [Wishlist,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8651711:37
dholbachKagou: end line?11:37
dholbachKagou: we'll consider UVF exception requests until some days before release - if that's what you mean11:38
Kagouyes, like a UVF freeze on feisty schedule. 11:38
dholbachwe're in UVf already11:38
Kagouoh, i understand.11:39
Kagouwhy ubuntu/launchpad and all the world not speaking french ?! ;)11:39
StevenKdholbach: Oh drat. I thought it was tomorrow11:41
dholbachStevenK: I dunno who decided on that Universe FF11:41
RAOFYou might be thinking of feature freeze, StevenK?11:41
StevenKRAOF: More than likely. :-)11:41
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AstralJavaStevenK: After adding what was suggested, I now get this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6837/11:46
AstralJavaHow to get around of that?11:47
StevenKOh, leave it as #include <glib.h>, and specify -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 in the CFLAGS.11:48
StevenKThere is more than likely a nice automated way to do this, but I don't know it.11:49
AstralJavaAlright, seems it was done "The Right Way" earlier since I get: checking for GLIB_CFLAGS... -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/libxml2  at one point.11:50
StevenKThen just use GLIB_CFLAGS11:53
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AstralJavaBut apparently they won't do the trick, since I've seen that message all the time, with or without "glib-2.0/" in the #include clause.11:54
shuflahello. I'm not able to goolge for it, but I'11:55
shuflam interested in having debian/* directory from source in svn11:55
shuflaare there any ready solutions for such thing?11:55
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shuflawe have right now full source package in svn which is doubling work, because svn *is* revision based system, same as dpkg tools provide.11:56
shuflalike on alioth.debian.org and pkg-* in thier svn.11:56
coNPshufla: there is svn-buildpackage and svn-autoreleasedeb, but I am not sure what you really want to do :)11:57
shuflacoNP: to have debian/control in svn, tarballs and rest on http for example and automatic builder for that.11:58
shuflacoNP: svn-buildpackage is what I need I think :D11:58
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Kagoudholbach do you need more informations for dcraw uvf ?11:59
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shuflabye12:07
GNUroAstralJava: However apt-get install, will install gli12:09
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geserzul: hi. xen-meta still fails to build because you applied the changes from my debdiff on the wrong target and missing an assignement at the beginning12:47
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AnAntlionel: ping12:54
lionelpong AnAnt12:54
AnAntlionel: could you review acon ? It needs one more advocate, it is a bug fix upload not a new package12:55
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AnAntlionel: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=442712:56
lionelAnAnt: I am not a MOTU, so I can not advocate12:56
AnAntoh12:56
lionelAnAnt: It is only an update, to a new package ?12:56
AnAntlionel != lionelp ?12:57
lionelno, lionel=lionelp12:57
AnAntlionel: it is an update to a package that existed in Edgy12:57
lionelAnAnt: so you only need one advocate to get updated12:57
AnAntlionel: and it's not a new upstream release12:57
AnAntyup12:57
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lionelAnAnt: you only need someone to upload12:59
AnAnterm, so what should I do ?12:59
lionelAdri2000, geser, can you have a look on AnAnt package. bddebian already advocated (it is only and update)01:00
AnAntthanks01:01
geseras this is an update to an existing package bddebian could upload it. I'm looking at it right now01:07
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geserAnAnt: acon uploaded01:21
AnAntgeser: thanks01:22
ScottKhttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4428 has had it's UVF exception approved and it ready for review if anyone is available?01:28
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lionelgeser: for acroread-asian-fonts, the package only contains fonts for acroread. I did not notice that acroread was removed. So please archive this package01:32
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geserlionel: done01:38
lionelthanks01:39
ajmitchoh what a hacky package I'm creating01:40
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AstralJavaAlright, the problem seems to be in the configure script, if you look at checking for GLIB_CFLAGS... -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/libxml2 part on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6831/ (line 407) they don't get transferred along to lines 419 and/or 421. Any idea why? This part of configure script is on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6860/01:46
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crimsunconfig.log would be more useful.01:51
crimsunI suspect autotools (Makefile.{am,in}) screwage.01:52
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AstralJavacrimsun, others: config.log -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6861/01:57
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pochuhi all :) yesterday geser updated listen in the archive, and it built fine. however it isn't in the archive yet. do you know how much time needs a package to hit the archive?02:06
fernandohey all02:07
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pochuhi fernando02:10
ScottKpochu: Are you sure it's not there yet?  According to LP the new packages are built: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/listen/0.5-0ubuntu202:11
pochuScottK: I think not :( http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/listen/02:11
ScottKYes.  The last entries there were built yesterday.  Was there more than one upload yesterday?02:12
ScottKNevermind02:12
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ScottKpochu: It does not appear to be hung up in the queue https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=&start=0 so I don't know what to tell you.02:14
geserpochu: see my question in #ubuntu-devel: archive.u.c seems to have troubles02:20
pochugeser: going :)02:20
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pochugeser: ty :)02:21
giskardslomo, pong02:24
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pirastseb128, could  you please do the sync in bug #84917? :-)03:12
UbugtuMalone bug 84917 in bcm43xx-fwcutter "[SYNC]  Please sync bcm43xx-fwcutter from Debian" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8491703:12
givrepirast: subsribe ubuntu-archive to the bug03:14
pirastgivre, that has changed afaik03:14
pirastgivre, see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-February/000250.html03:16
Adri2000pirast: no, and seb128 isn't in this channel03:16
pirastAdri2000, i also noticed and contacted him in an other channel :-)03:16
ScottKAdri2000: do you have time for a review?03:17
ScottKIt's http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4428 and the UVF exception is approved.03:18
Adri2000ScottK: maybe, depends what it is :p03:18
Adri2000ok, new upstream version, I will kook03:18
Adri2000look*03:18
ScottKThanks.03:18
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pirastAdi2000 givre: also: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess it says "subscribe and ubuntu-universe-sponsors for packages in Universe/Multiverse."03:19
lionelpirast: for a sync, you open you bug and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors03:20
lionelthen when a ubuntu-dev ACKed, he should subscribe ubuntu-archive03:20
pirastlionel, yeah I know.. but givre said subscribe ubuntu-archive directly :-)03:20
lioneland then, when an archive admin do his work (on the days given in your mail) he does the sync :)03:21
Adri2000pirast: yep, and then a member of u-u-s subscribes ubuntu-archive if it's ok, but no need to ping an archive admin on irc, except "if your need is in some ways urgent (and jumping the queue03:21
Adri2000is justified)" (from the ubuntu-devel-announce email)03:21
crimsunDon't sub u-a unless you're a member of ubuntu-dev.03:21
pirastokay03:21
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xopherhey, could updating dbus and dbus-glib do any massive harm to my system? 03:30
Lathiatxopher: yeh theres plenty of potential there if its buggered03:33
Adri2000ScottK: "changed maintainer to back to MOTU." < I can remove the first "to", right? :)03:36
ScottKSure.  Thanks for the catch.03:36
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ScottKThat or I can fix it, whatever you prefer.03:36
xopherLathiat, so you're saying it's not worth it? What problems could arise?03:37
Adri2000ScottK: I can do it, if you have nothing else to change03:37
ScottKI've got nothing else.03:38
Adri2000ok03:38
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joejaxxToadstool: are you around?03:44
Adri2000ScottK: uploaded03:46
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ScottKAdri2000: Thanks!03:48
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siretartslomo: ?03:50
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shuflahello. are there logs for this channel?03:57
pochu!log | shufla03:59
ubotushufla: Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs03:59
pochuups, he isn't here :)03:59
pochuhehe03:59
zuli guess he can check the log files then04:00
zulfor the answer04:00
pochuzul: hehe :)04:01
cbx33hi guys04:03
cbx33I have a script that is used to start a binary, it is only used during xsession boot up04:03
cbx33where would be the best palce to store it04:03
cbx33it's currently in /usr/bin/04:06
cbx33but I'm not sure it's the right place for it04:06
cbx33/usr/share/ isn't right04:06
cbx33argh04:06
cbx33where should i put it04:06
crimsunthe script itself? Well if it's an Xsession-type, then use /etc/X11/Xsession.d/04:06
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cbx33crimsun04:06
cbx33no it's not04:06
cbx33an xsession calls it04:06
cbx33an xsession script calls it04:06
cbx33it's to do with xsessiond but musn't be run by xsessiond04:07
cbx33it's more of a launcher04:07
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cbx33hey bddebian 04:07
bddebianHeya gang04:08
bddebianHi cbx3304:08
geserHi bddebian04:09
bddebianHeya geser04:09
bddebiangeser: If you get bored, I threw up a new gpib04:09
givreheya bddebian04:09
ScottKHeya bddebian.  You just missed your chance to have me bug you about uploading an update for me...04:09
bddebianAlso, I don't know if the firmware can be included or not?04:09
crimsuncbx33: what's wrong w/ using /usr/bin/ ?04:09
bddebianHi givre, ScottK04:09
cbx33crimsun, didn't know if it was frowned upon04:09
crimsuncbx33: e.g., /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60seahorse uses /usr/bin/seahorse-agent04:09
cbx33ok I'll do that04:09
cbx33thanks crimsun 04:09
bddebianScottK: I saw it up yesterday and I was wondering about that :)04:10
geserzul: should I prepare a new debdiff for xen-meta or fix it and upload? it still ftbfs (you applied the changes on the wrong target and missed a line)04:10
zulgeser: yes go ahead04:10
givrebddebian: about ntfs-config, i asked seb128, who said me : seb128: givre: no need to reject it, just upload the new version and it'll be superseded04:11
ScottKbddebian: I got out of sequence and uploaded before I had the UVF exception approved.  I got that overnight.04:11
bddebiangivre: OK, that's news to me but I'll throw it up04:11
givrebddebian: yeah i also didn't really know.04:13
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bddebiangivre: Uploaded04:17
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pochubddebian, givre: there seems to be a problem with the archive, so maybe the uploads don't hit the archive for a while04:20
pochubddebian, givre: it seems it works now! wow!04:21
pochuwhat fast :)04:21
pochuhehe04:21
pochuI haven't said anything :)04:21
givrepochu: thank you for the info :)04:21
pochugeser: debian in the archive!04:21
bddebianWTF are you two talking about? :-)04:21
bddebianWell I guess I'm going to fail on tilp2 and gpib :'-(04:24
pochubddebian: good luck :)04:26
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bddebiantsmithe: ping (re: wired)04:29
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shuflahello. how to pass -rfakeroot to svn-autoreleasedeb by its config file? <option name="gain-root-command" value="fakeroot"/> or <option name="-r" value="fakeroot"/> do not works...04:35
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Adri2000a binary package A that depends on a lib binary package B (they are from the same source package). B shouldn't depend on A right? because it creates circular dependencies05:32
bddebianAdri2000: Does the library need to depend on the A ?05:36
Adri2000I don't think so, a program depends on a lib but a lib usually doesn't depend on a program05:37
bddebianRight, that's why I'm asking :-)05:38
Adri2000the debian maintainer of this package set these strange dependencies, and there is a bug report about the circular dependencies05:38
Adri2000wow, what's that05:39
Adri2000usr/bin/share/applications/*05:39
Adri2000usr/bin/share/pixmaps/*05:39
bddebianheh, I'd say wrong05:44
Adri2000:)05:44
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tsmithebddebian, ping?05:54
bddebiantsmithe: Yeah, what'd you update on wired?05:55
tsmitheeh?05:55
tsmitheoh - right05:55
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bddebianthere's a new upload after my comments05:55
tsmithei added one with all the AUTHORS in debian/copyright05:56
tsmitheand the portaudio licence as well05:56
tsmitheso nothing can be disputed ;)05:56
tsmithehttp://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=4403&upid2=4432 ;)05:56
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sistpotyhi folks05:57
tsmithehiya sistpoty 05:57
sistpotyhi tsmithe05:57
pochuhi sistpoty :)05:57
sistpotyhi pochu05:57
Adri2000hi sistpoty :)05:58
sistpotyhi Adri200005:58
Adri2000tsmithe: "+Portmidi licence:" < "licence" is french, "license" is english :p05:58
dholbachhi sistpoty05:58
dholbachhi Adri200005:58
dholbachhi pochu05:58
sistpotyhi dholbach05:58
dholbachtsmithe: looking at the packages05:58
tsmitheAdri2000, no that's a british spelling as well, i'm pretty sure05:59
pochudholbach: hi :)05:59
Adri2000tsmithe: ah, didn't know that05:59
tsmithedholbach, cool - you could hang on enblend; i've got a couple of things to fix05:59
tsmitheAdri2000, ;)05:59
dholbachtsmithe: alrighty06:00
tsmitheAdri2000, ^^ you too if you're looking06:00
tsmithebddebian, could you help me with those man errors on enblend? i'm not too sure what to make of them06:00
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tsmithealso mrgh... "PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 9): 550 <tsmithe@ubuntu.com>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table". who do i have to pester, or is it automagic?06:01
bddebiantsmithe: Yeah, give me a sec06:01
tsmithecool06:01
tsmithethanks 06:01
gpocentekhello Universe06:01
Toadstoolhi everybody06:01
bddebianHeya gpocentek06:02
tsmithehi gpocentek, Toadstool06:02
sistpotyhi gpocentek and Toadstool06:02
bddebianHeya sistpoty06:02
sistpotyhi bddebian06:02
Toadstooljoejaxx: life's been crazy lately, I don't have that much time for Ubuntu :/06:03
Toadstoolhey tsmithe & sistpoty 06:03
sistpotyhi Toadstool06:03
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cbx33hi guys some advice please....06:04
cbx33I have a personal repo06:04
cbx33and I have some packages which i am working on which are in main06:05
tsmithemmhmm06:05
cbx33I wanted to put up some development debs in my repo06:05
cbx33so beta testers can grab them and test before i create the debdiffs to cahnge main06:05
cbx33does that makes sense?06:05
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tsmithecbx33, yeah06:06
tsmithedunno if it's "policy" though06:06
cbx33as opposed to them grabbing the source which they are totally at liberty to do06:07
cbx33so i wanted to ask06:07
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cbx33a) is this a good idea?06:07
joejaxxToadstool: oh alright06:07
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cbx33b) what is a better idea?06:07
cbx33c) if a) is yes, should I call them by different pacakge names?06:07
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cbx33or give them different pacakge versions?06:08
cbx33:S06:08
tsmithed06:08
cbx33hah06:09
tsmithenew versions: like by appending ~cbx3306:09
tsmithe;)06:09
cbx33yeh?06:09
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joejaxxToadstool: may i pm?06:11
Toadstooljoejaxx: sure06:11
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sistpotykeescook: just read your comment to bug #68400...06:14
UbugtuMalone bug 68400 in mythtv "[SRU]  "Could not install the upgrades" - installArchives() failed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6840006:14
sistpotykeescook: actually the last member of motu-sru would be doing the uploading (that way sponsoring is speedier), but I don't mind if you do the uploading as well ;)06:15
sistpotycrimsun, StevenK, siretart: work for motu-sru: bug #6840006:15
UbugtuMalone bug 68400 in mythtv "[SRU]  "Could not install the upgrades" - installArchives() failed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6840006:15
keescooksistpoty: oh! sorry.  no problem; I don't care who uploads -- I was just offering to lessen the work load.  :)06:16
sistpotykeescook: thanks for the offer ;06:16
sistpoty+)06:17
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dholbachtsmithe: wired updated06:20
tsmitheooh06:20
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tsmithedholbach, "some libs are installed to ./usr/lib/wired/wired/ some to ./usr/lib/wired/ - are you sure thats ok?"  yeah, it's either have some in /usr/lib all sprawled around whilst others are in /usr/lib/wired, or have some in /usr/lib/wired and others in /usr/lib/wired/wired. i'll get upstream to fix for next release, but for now i'm hopeful that it's ok06:23
dholbachI wasn't discussing  /usr/lib - but the "wired/wired" bit - but cool you're in touch with upstream06:24
tsmitheok06:24
tsmithethe choice is between those two options, really06:24
tsmithe(for now, at least)06:24
tsmithe"your probably dont want to install the *.la files."  i'm not 100% sure what they are. why not?06:24
bddebianThey are no longer needed/used06:27
tsmithebddebian, even by wired? what are they?06:28
dholbachthe .la files contain information about what dependency libraries are, etc06:29
sistpotydholbach, gpocentek, crimsun, ajmitch: you have mail... what do you think?06:29
dholbachmaybe it's not that important for wired as there's nothing that builds against it06:29
dholbachyou sometimes have to do rebuilds just because the information in .la files is outdated and confuses other builds - pkgconfig is the future06:30
dholbachsistpoty: checking06:30
bddebiantsmithe: libtool linkage files06:30
tsmithedholbach, does it matter if i don't remove them this time?06:30
tsmithei really want to get this and enblend in06:30
dholbachwe can all live with that06:30
tsmithe:)06:31
dholbachthen concentrate on the copyright file06:31
dholbachelse it'll get rejected anyway06:31
dholbachi always use http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/check-copyright06:32
dholbach(nothing exciting)06:32
sistpotydholbach: it's 403 ;)06:33
dholbachgngngn06:33
dholbachnow :)06:34
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tsmithedholbach, thanks06:35
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affluxhi all. I want to package some software that has the upstream version mac-3.99-u4-b5. I haven't made any changes to the source. What version (in changelog) should this package have? mac-3.99-u4-b5? If so, how to tell dpkg-buildpackage that -b5 is part of the upstream version?06:38
tsmithedholbach, that's a nice script :)06:39
dholbachnothing fancy, but it worked out well for me :)06:39
tsmithewhy didn't i think of it?! good idea, thanks06:39
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sistpotyafflux: 3.99-u4-b5-0ubuntu1. last - is the separator between upstream version and debian revision06:41
affluxalright. then dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa complains that i don't have a @ubuntu.com address in the maintainer field.06:41
bddebianafflux: So fix that :-)06:42
tsmithehaha06:42
bddebianafflux: Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>06:42
bddebianIf you want to stay the maintainer, add yourself as XSBC-Original-Maintainer:06:42
affluxah. sounds good.06:43
affluxthank you bddebian and sistpoty 06:43
sistpotynp06:43
bddebiannp06:43
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sistpotybah06:43
tsmithedholbach, also - i'll add it to README.Debian - --disable-portaudio means disable building against the bunbled portaudio sources06:44
dholbachok06:44
tsmitheright, that's copyright finished, i think06:45
bddebiandholbach: You're always welcome to check out gpib *wink* *wink* :-)06:45
sistpotyLaser_away: bodr seems ok with me... sorry for not reviewing it earlier.06:45
bddebianDid it ever get uploaded?06:46
dholbachbddebian: :)06:46
sistpotybddebian: what... bodr?06:47
bddebianaye06:47
sistpotyI was just guessing from the changelog entry that it was in new already06:47
bddebianoh06:47
tsmithehttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6899/06:51
tsmithe^^ weird06:51
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sistpotytsmithe: indeed06:52
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sistpotytsmithe: not quite sure actually. maybe someone on -devel knows?06:53
tsmitheok06:55
tsmithethanks06:55
dholbachsistpoty: answered06:55
sistpotydholbach: thanks06:56
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Adri2000giskard: ping, you are the maintainer of gnomoradio in debian, right?06:57
bddebianHey, if everyone is reviewing, what are we going to do about the compiz packages?  They have been up there a while now06:57
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giskardAdri2000, yes06:57
giskardunmaintained obsolete06:57
Adri2000why is it still in the archive then?06:58
giskardbecause i never asked to remove it06:58
Adri2000giskard: and it's obsolete because of dead upstream or because it doesn't work at all?06:59
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giskarddead upstream07:00
slomogiskard: ping again ;) do you know someone of telepathy-sharp upstream?07:00
giskardslomo, people on @tapioca-voip? renathofilo?07:01
giskardehrr mispelled renatofilho07:01
giskardand andrunko07:02
slomogiskard: whoever... please tell them to allow linking against an external ndesk-dbus/ndesk-dbus-glib :)07:02
giskardslomo, do we have package(s) for it?07:02
slomogiskard: and then please update the package :) btw, will you package landell/tapioca?07:02
giskardslomo, no, xexas will do this07:02
slomogiskard: yes, ndesk-dbus, ndesk-dbus-glib (libndesk-dbus1.0-cil libndesk-dbus-glib1.0-cil)07:02
dholbachgiskard: tomorrow is Universe FF - I don't think it'll happen07:02
bddebianslomo: tapioca is on REVU07:04
Adri2000giskard: if it still works... maybe it can be kept in the archive, do you intend to do an upload to fix the packaging mistakes (.desktop, icon, changelog, circular dependencies...)?07:04
giskardslomo, i will update libtp-sharp07:04
giskardAdri2000, not now.07:04
slomogiskard: thanks... and then let's both review tapioca (btw, is landell somethnig different?)07:04
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Adri2000giskard: you don't mind if I fix them (in ubuntu)?07:04
slomogiskard: the ndesk-dbus packages are in debian too already... but waiting on NEW as always...07:05
giskardslomo, :( didn't know this, and i didn't know that alp did a *public*  release07:05
tsmithedholbach, "Why do you Build-Depend on autotools-dev, autoconf (>= 2.61), automake (>= 1.10), libtool?"  autotools-dev to provide the config.sub/.guess files; autoconf, automake, and libtool as they are required for build. is this bad practice?07:05
tonyyarussogiskard: So...this here control file says you were the maintainer of Nvu.  I've been trying my hand at packaging in hopes of getting KompoZer (the stopgap bugfix between Nvu and the eventual Composer2) into Feisty.  Any hints/tips?07:05
giskardAdri2000, feel free to do what you want, and please send a patch to the Debian bts07:05
Adri2000ok07:06
slomogiskard: don't worry :) if you want to give them a patch look at what i've done for last-exit for example, should be easy to "port" to telepathy-sharp svn07:06
dholbachtsmithe: does it really not build without them (autoconf/automake/libtool)? why do you regenerate the auto* files during the build?07:06
tsmitheoh sorry07:06
tsmithei was being an idiot07:06
tsmitheit *used* to... i don't any more07:06
tsmithe(got upstream to fix the issue)07:06
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giskardtonyyarusso, i've asked to remove (and it's no more in Debian) nvu from the archive, unmaintained by upstream 07:07
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tonyyarussogiskard: Precisely why it would be nice to have a replacement available, don't you think?07:07
giskardtonyyarusso, not something like Kompozer even if it's a bugfix release they are using an old co of the firefox/ source, It has *a lot* of security bug.07:08
sistpotydholbach: which option did you actually choose... 3? or do you propose a different timeout/different model?07:09
tonyyarussogiskard: Hmm.  What would you propose instead?  For instance, my mom uses Nvu as a teacher for her class web pages - what should I tell her when Feisty doesn't have it?07:09
dholbachsistpoty: sorry, I guess, I meant 3. Yes.07:09
sistpotydholbach: ah, k. thanks :)07:10
ScottKtonyyarusso: Bluefish?07:11
giskardtonyyarusso, "mom blame mr glatzam / me "07:11
giskardScottK, is not WYSIWYG afaik07:11
tonyyarussoScottK: Does bluefish do wysiwyg?07:11
tonyyarussogiskard: lol...07:11
ScottKActually it doesn't that I can see either.  I just never uses wysiwyg features on HTML editors because I've never seen one that didn't screw it up.07:12
ScottKuses/use07:12
tonyyarussogiskard: So we're just out of luck until Glaz finishes?07:12
tonyyarusso(I prefer doing the straight code too, but mom doesn't go there :P )07:13
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tsmithedholbach, bddebian, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4434  if you could, that's the latest wired07:21
bddebianso?07:21
bddebian;-P07:21
tsmitheneeds reviewing :P07:21
tsmitheand you're gonna do it ;)07:22
giskardslomo, last-exit doesn't have a debian/patches :P07:22
bddebiantsmithe: So do about 50,000 other packages on REVU :-)07:22
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slomogiskard: sure it has07:22
dholbachtsmithe: reviewing something else atm07:23
tsmitheokey dokey07:23
giskard[19:23] [giskard@flipendo:~/tmp/last-exit-4/debian] $ ls07:23
giskardchangelog  compat  control  copyright  rules07:23
dholbachtsmithe: let me know when I can take a look at enblend also again07:23
tsmitheanyone else is welcome to ;)07:23
slomogiskard: 4-0ubuntu5?07:23
giskardno ubuntu107:23
tsmithedholbach, when i've worked out what "FSSTND" means07:23
slomogiskard: then update :P07:23
tsmithefilesystem standard?07:23
tsmithewoo i worked it out!07:24
slomogiskard: and take telepathy-sharp svn, the snapshot we currently have does not work with the current ndesk-dbus because of API changes weeks ago07:24
giskardyes i've already co it07:24
giskardslomo, no i'm wrong it was ubuntu4, ubuntu5 is not yet in the archive?07:25
LaserJocksistpoty: heh, that's ok, I uploaded it a while ago ;-)07:25
slomogiskard: it is, i uploaded it last night and dist-upgraded to it some minutes ago ;)07:25
giskardslomo, i don't have it here, and http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/gnome/last-exit say ubuntu407:26
giskard(i've apt-get updated my list 4 secs ago :/)07:26
LaserJocksistpoty: I took the package from Debian NEW so azeem already acked it there so I figured I had enough acks ;-)07:26
tonyyarussogiskard: I think I'd still rather see an imperfect package available than none at all, given that it wasn't serious enough problems to be excluded before.07:26
bddebiantsmithe: Are you looking at enblend now?07:27
tsmitheyup07:27
tsmithei'm not sure what to do07:27
slomogiskard: take archive.ubuntu.com ;)07:27
bddebianWith which?07:27
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giskardtonyyarusso, i guess we don't have time for package kompozer now :(07:27
tsmitheenblend's manpage errors07:27
slomogiskard: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/last-exit/07:27
giskardslomo, yeah07:27
pochuone stupid question :-) where are the .deb packages built with pbuilder?07:28
bddebiantsmithe: Do you still have a .deb handy?07:28
tonyyarussogiskard: Maybe not.  Depends on whether I can get a build to work sometime today ;)  (been working on it - first time packaging)07:28
tsmithebddebian, yes... but i'm not sure where to upload it to...07:28
tonyyarussopochu: /var/cache/pbuilder/result/ I think (something like that)07:28
bddebiantsmithe: No, run lintian -i on it07:28
tsmithe(i have very little bandwidth)07:28
tsmitheoh ok07:29
pochutonyyarusso: ty!07:29
LaserJockpochu: it's a variable in the pbuilder config, the default is what tonyyarusso said07:29
tsmithebddebian, ahhhh!07:29
tonyyarussoah07:29
tsmithethanks07:29
bddebianLaserJock: !!07:29
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bddebianLaserJock: I don't suppose you have any time today? :)07:29
LaserJockbddebian: what exactly do you need? :-)07:30
bddebianI need to know if gpib actually works07:30
pochuLaserJock: oh, thanks :)07:30
LaserJockbddebian: the package on revu?07:31
bddebianLaserJock: Aye07:31
LaserJockbddebian: how does it build? module-assistant?07:32
tonyyarussogiskard: I'm being held up by the fact that after building the source package (no errors there), when trying to build it in pbuilder I get a slew of things like "tar: mozilla/gfx/src/mac/nsWatchTask.h: Cannot open: No such file or directory"  Any idea?07:32
bddebianLaserJock: It's still not building the modules07:32
bddebianBut they should build with 2.6.x now07:32
LaserJockbddebian: hmm? how do I build the modules?07:33
bddebianI dunno, I was hoping you'd know :-)07:33
bddebianWhat do you do for the current package?07:33
LaserJockI don't use it07:34
LaserJock:-)07:34
LaserJocklast time I tried I think it used module-assistant07:35
tsmithebddebian, thanks. now i've gotta wait for it to build again :P07:35
bddebianIt should07:35
bddebiantsmithe: Fun eh? :-)07:35
tsmithesure :S07:35
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tsmithesee y'all laters07:36
bddebianlater tsmithe07:37
bddebianLaserJock: OK, nm, sorry07:37
LaserJockbddebian: why?07:38
bddebianWhy what?07:38
LaserJockwhy nm, sorry?07:38
bddebianOh, I thought you used it07:39
LaserJockI did quite some time ago07:39
LaserJockI'm not sure how hard it'd be to get it going again, it might take some dist-upgrades07:39
LaserJockwow, this is creepy. My gmail has this ad at the top:07:40
LaserJock"Laptops with Ubuntu Linux - www.linuxcertified.com - Fully Supported, High performance Ubuntu Notebooks starting @ 699."07:40
giskardtonyyarusso, no :( sorry07:41
bddebianLaserJock: :-)07:41
tonyyarussogiskard: a'ight07:41
bddebiantonyyarusso: Does it have a tarball inside the source tarball?07:42
tonyyarussobddebian: No - just a mozilla/ directory.07:42
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bddebiantonyyarusso: Do you have it posted somewhere?07:46
tonyyarussobddebian: Not yet.07:46
tonyyarussokompozer.net for the original.07:47
bddebiantsmithe: You still have /usr/lib/wired and /usr/lib/wired/wired/ is that intentional?07:49
bddebiantonyyarusso: Do you have some place you can stick the .dsc, .orig.tar.gz and .diff.tar.gz?07:50
tonyyarussobddebian: I guess I'll have to...  That'll be interesting though, since I'm on dialup.  You may have to wait until I can run to the coffee shop and swipe some wifi.07:52
ScottKWill packages that are still in NEW after FF still get in?07:52
tonyyarussobddebian: Any tips on what I can look for in the meantime?07:56
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ploumHello, I want the ThinkFinger driver to be packaged in Ubuntu and I added it to the wiki page08:00
ploumIs that enough ?08:00
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tonyyarussoDoes pbuilder make logs of its output?08:01
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sharmsploum: make a package for it and then submit it to REVU08:02
ploumsharms: I will have to learn how to do that ;-)08:03
phanaticsharms: an ITP was already filed, and it will be uploaded to debian archives soon...08:03
tonyyarussobddebian: Oh, weird.  It seems to be because my partition is full and it couldn't create the dirs.08:03
tonyyarussohold on08:03
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bddebianAh, that's always bad.  And nice that it tells you that eh? :-)08:04
nixternalboo08:04
bddebianHeya nixternal08:04
giskardslomo, ping08:04
nixternalwell howdy there buddy :)08:04
slomogiskard: pong08:04
bddebianWhoa ESR wants to join MOTU?08:04
giskardslomo, http://people.debian.org/~giskard/telepathy-sharp-test.tar.gz do you know why the if EXTERNAL... doesn't works? 08:04
giskardesr?08:04
nixternalbddebian: hahaha, what?08:04
tonyyarussobddebian: Well, it mentions it, but if flies by so fast I never noticed.  I did a Ctrl-C while it was running and then saw.08:05
givrebddebian: lol08:05
slomogiskard: make this MONO_DEPENDENCY_LIBS in Makefile.am08:06
slomogiskard: but better make two different checks in configure.ac instead of this single, monolithic one checking for everything08:06
giskard make this MONO_DEPENDENCY_LIBS in Makefile.am ?08:07
zulbddebian: wtf?08:07
slomogiskard: yes... you currently have (MONO_DEPENDENCY) in there... append a _LIBS08:08
giskardright08:09
slomogiskard: and the check in configure.ac is broken08:09
slomogiskard: make two checks out of it... same as i did with last-exit08:09
slomothis only makes everything confusing ;)08:09
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giskardsladen, oki08:11
giskardslomo, *08:11
tsmithebddebian, yes that is intentional08:12
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tsmitheawh crap i typo'd in debian/install so enblend ftbfs!!! argh :S08:12
tonyyarussoYou'd think dpkg-source would be smart enough not to give the warning about Original Maintainer on Ubuntu changes if the version number indicates it doesn't exist in Debian.08:14
lioneltonyyarusso: no, you have to use a Ubuntu address for maintainers08:19
lionelin all the cases08:19
bddebianzul: See #ubuntu-devel :-)08:19
tonyyarussolionel: I did that - it's just kvetching at me about there not being a Debian maintainer as well.  ;)08:19
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bddebiantsmithe: Ah, OK08:21
LaserJocklionel: not *all* cases08:21
tsmithebddebian, :) it's in README.Debian ;)08:21
lionelLaserJock: hum... in which cases you can put a non Ubuntu adress ?08:22
LaserJockwhen it's not an Ubuntu versioned package :-)08:22
lionelgasp... sure :)08:23
bddebiantsmithe: Do you still need the autotools-dev build-dep?08:24
tsmitheno08:25
tsmithei'll reupload08:25
tsmithehang on08:25
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giskardslomo, now it works08:30
slomogiskard: ok, then only fix the dbus-sharp/Makefile.am to be make dist friendly08:30
slomogiskard: _SOURCES should be outside of if, the targets and _dir, _SCRIPTS inside of if08:30
tsmithebddebian, i'm undecided. i get "E: wired source: outdated-autotools-helper-file src/portaudio/bindings/cpp/build/gnu/config.guess 2001-10-05" kind of errors, but then again i'm not using those sources.08:31
tsmithewhat do you suggest?08:31
bddebianHmm08:31
bddebianremove config.{guess, sub}, ,etc? :-)08:32
tsmithehmm ok08:32
tsmithejust let it happen in the diff.gz?08:33
bddebianAre you generating them?08:35
tsmithebddebian, no08:35
bddebianI'd probably rm them but I'm usually wrong :'-(08:36
tsmithehehe ok08:37
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giskardslomo, uhm it seems that test doesn't compile with the internal Ndesk-dbus :(08:37
slomogiskard: then fix them ;) why don't they compile? pastebin please :)08:37
tsmitheLaserJock, sistpoty?08:37
tsmitheslomo?08:38
giskardhttp://paste.debian.net/2237808:38
giskardslomo, wait :) you are too fast ( next time slomo ping && sleep 10 ;) )08:38
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giskardslomo, uh stupid me08:39
giskardfound it08:39
slomogiskard: ok ;)08:39
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tonyyarussoOkay, different pbuilder errors now:08:41
tonyyarussoconfigure: warning: CFLAGS=-Wall\ -g\ -O2: invalid host type08:41
tonyyarussoconfigure: warning: LDFLAGS=-Wl,-z,defs: invalid host type08:41
tonyyarussoconfigure: error: can only configure for one host and one target at a time08:41
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bddebiantonyyarusso: What are the \ after each param?08:43
tonyyarussobddebian: No idea.08:43
bddebiantonyyarusso: Are you pasing flags to configure from debian/rules?08:44
bddebianOr setting CFLAGS in rules?08:44
tonyyarussobddebian: I just took the rules from dh_make - I'll look.08:44
tonyyarussobddebian: CFLAGS = -Wall -g08:45
bddebianHmm, that shouldn't be a problem08:47
tonyyarussobddebian: Also, ./configure --host=$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE) --build=$(DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE) --prefix=/usr --mandir=\$${prefix}/share/man --infodir=\$${prefix}/share/info CFLAGS="$(CFLAGS)" LDFLAGS="-Wl,-z,defs"08:47
bddebianAh, that's not so good08:48
giskardslomo,  ok, fixed some problems but i get this Test.cs(66,75): error CS0122: `NDesk.DBus.ObjectPath.Value' is inaccessible due to its protection level08:48
giskard/usr/lib/cli/ndesk-dbus-1.0/NDesk.DBus.dll (Location of the symbol related to previous error)08:48
giskardCompilation failed: 1 error(s), 0 warnings08:48
bddebianI don't think there should be quotes around "$(CFLAGS)"08:48
bddebianand/or LDFLAGS08:48
tonyyarussoah, ok.08:48
slomogiskard: tell them to use the public API in the tests... ask alp what this should be now ;)08:49
giskardoki08:49
torkelbddebian: you need the quotes because of the whitespaces, don't you?08:50
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bddebiantorkel: Hmm, maybe but it doesn't seem right08:51
torkeltonyyarusso: I think you have to do a 'env CFLAGS="..." LDFLAGS="..." ./configure ...08:52
bddebianOh aye, that makes more sense08:52
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tonyyarussotorkel: I can try that.08:52
torkeliirc you can't pass environment variables are argument to configure08:52
torkels/are/as08:53
LaserJockbah, I don't understand CDBS very much08:54
LaserJockhow do I modify a build rule?08:54
bddebianfoo/build::08:54
LaserJockwhere foo is the binary package?08:55
bddebianAye08:55
LaserJockI think is't build/foo::08:56
LaserJock*it's08:56
tonyyarussotorkel: does it need LDFLAGS="$(LDFLAGS)", or just drop it completely after the env line declares?08:56
tonyyarusso(in the configure, that is)08:58
lionelIs someone available to review tapioca (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4414) ?08:59
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tsmitheLaserJock,  i get "E: wired source: outdated-autotools-helper-file src/portaudio/bindings/cpp/build/gnu/config.guess 2001-10-05" kind of errors, but then again i'm not using those sources. what do you suggest? bddebian said to rm them? do you agree?09:03
bddebianlionel: I would but slomo and giskard were talking about it earlier09:03
slomobddebian: look at it too, whoever is faster wins :)09:04
lionelbddebian: you have already adcoated it :)09:04
giskardbddebian, you will win :)09:06
esrHoping this isn't the wrong place to ask....is there an 'install everything' incantation I can utter so I can audit all of the manual pages?09:07
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tonyyarussoAw, crud.  I have to go to an appointment now - will come back to trying this package later.09:12
tsmithe:)09:12
tsmitheanyone09:14
tsmithe?09:14
ajmitchesr: rather unlikely, you'd have a number of conflicting packages09:14
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tsmitheajmitch, hi. can you answer my lintian error?09:14
ajmitchno, I'm running late for work09:14
tsmitheok09:14
ajmitchI'll be back online soon09:14
tsmithe:)09:14
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esrajmitch, I was afraid that would be the case.  Leaves me with a problem, though.09:15
dholbachgood night folks09:16
dholbachsee you tomorrow again09:16
ScottKGood night.09:16
tsmithenight09:17
tsmithedholbach, no time to answer my q?09:18
bddebianGnight dholbach09:18
sistpotygn8 dholbach09:18
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AnAntbddebian: Hello09:18
bddebianHeya AnAnt09:18
dholbachtsmithe: if you want to fix that problem, you need to update those config.{guess,sub} files09:18
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tsmithedholbach, so i do need autotools-dev! :P09:19
dholbachtsmithe: you do that already in ./ no?09:19
AnAntbddebian: geser uploaded acon today, yet I cannot see it in the queue09:19
dholbachtsmithe: yeah, but not autoconf/automake/libtool09:19
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dholbachsee you09:19
tsmithei got rid of those i think :)09:19
tsmitheget well soon09:19
AnAntis the queue for new packages only ?09:19
sistpotyAnAnt: which queue?09:20
AnAntsistpoty: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue09:21
sistpotyAnAnt: iirc it's for source new and binary new. not quite sure though09:21
bddebianAnAnt: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/acon/1.0.5-0ubuntu209:21
AnAntbddebian: yeah I found it, thanks09:21
tsmithebddebian, so can you ack that upload?09:22
giskardslomo, sorry i'm going out, could you please take a look on the package? you can find it on myhome on people.debian.org sorry :(09:22
geserAnAnt: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/a/acon/ :)09:22
AnAntgeser: huh ?09:22
geserAnAnt: it's on the archive already09:23
AnAntgeser: that's wierd, I searched http://packages.ubuntu.com/ and I didn't find it09:23
AnAntbddebian: I didn't know that you were french09:24
bddebianAnAnt: I'm not :-)09:24
AnAntbddebian: deFreese ?!09:24
bddebianDutch09:24
AnAntbddebian: sounds french09:24
AnAntoh09:24
bddebianBut I'm pure Evil American :-)09:24
AnAntwell, close 09:24
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AnAntfunny thing, I realize that many ppl working on linux projects are french09:25
AnAntyet, one of our clients are in France and they are heavily using M$ stuff09:26
AnAntwe have to write documentation in M$ Word 2003 !09:26
AnAntgeser: well, thanks anyways09:27
bddebianw00t09:27
lionelyeah, French rocks :)09:27
AnAntwhat is w00t ?09:27
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tsmithelionel, c'est vrai09:28
bddebiansistpoty: I'm sitting here choking on .NET so I won't tell ;-P09:28
AnAntfunny thing is this09:28
lionelthanks tsmithe :)09:28
sistpotybddebian: that's at least a programming language in contrast to vba *g*09:28
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tsmitheAnAnt, w00t means \o/09:29
AnAntI used tkgate to draw some circuit diagrams , they liked it a lot, but they said: you still must use Visio , argghhhhh09:29
AnAnttsmithe: what is \o/ ?! 09:30
tsmithea cheer09:30
AnAntoh09:30
AnAntok09:30
AnAntis that \o/ supposed to be a figure of some guy raising his hands ?09:31
AnAnterm, nevermind09:32
AnAntbye09:32
tsmitheyes, it was :)09:34
tsmitheoh09:34
tsmithehe went09:34
tsmithethanks bddebian 09:34
tsmithe'nother ack for wired?09:34
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tsmithewoooo!09:38
tsmithedanke!09:38
sistpotynp ;)09:39
tsmithe:)09:39
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esrI'm looking for suggestions.  I have a validation tool I want to run on every man page in the Ubuntu universe.  But there are some pairs of packages that will conflict.  Any thoughts how to get around this?09:54
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LaserJockwell, you wouldn't have to actually install all of them on your machine09:54
LaserJockyou could just extract out the man pages09:55
esrLasrJocK: it's possible.  But..09:55
esr1) I don't know how to iterate over all packages in all repos,09:55
esr2) If I did, I don't know whether .deb format has metadata bits flagging man pages.09:56
LaserJockok,09:56
tsmitheesr, sorry to hear about your frustrations with fedora. i hope you'll feel more at home here, and it's good to see you already active!09:56
LaserJock1) it's really easy to mirror the repos, so for instance at home I have a mirror of all source package ans i386 .debs for Feisty09:57
sistpotytsmithe: wired is fine, though I guess the info in README.Debian is not of that much interest to a user. However I won't pick on this and just upload it ;)09:57
tsmithethanks ever so much :)09:57
esrI don't toss the kind of grenade I just did without a damn good reason.  And I do try to pitch in to help wherever I go.09:57
tsmitheit's good to hear09:57
LaserJock2) you can just extract a .deb (it's an ar archive that holds 2 tarballs)09:57
tsmitheesr,  welcome aboard - let's hope you sort this man problem09:58
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LaserJockesr: I'm not sure how much work you want to put into it09:58
esrLaserJock, mirroring the repos sounds like it might be the right approach.09:58
sladenesr: .deb is a .ar containing two tar-balls;  anything under /usr/share/man*  would be considered a manpage09:59
esrGot it, sladen.09:59
LaserJockesr: it's pretty easy to do to09:59
lionelLaserJock: how much place does your mirror take ? Do you have an idea of the daily traffic for miroring ?09:59
sistpotyesr: iirc lucas should have scripts to iterate over the whole archive, since he did a full archive rebuild09:59
LaserJocklionel: for Feisty Main and Universe with source and i386 .debs it takes ~ 30GB10:00
LaserJocklionel: I just update it whenever I want10:00
esrI'm not too worried about the mirroring bandwidth -- I have fiber to my hoise (Verizon FIOS).10:00
lionelLaserJock: ok, thanks10:00
esrs/hoise/house/10:00
LaserJocksistpoty: I would think in this case it'd be easy to just mirror the .debs and than iterate over the pool10:01
LaserJockand extract to a tmp dir and then grab out anything in usr/share/man/10:01
esrLserjock: agreed, mirroring is almost certainly easier. 10:01
sistpotyor with python-apt or some zgrep Package from the packages file... shouldn't be too hard anyway10:01
LaserJockyeah, zgrep of Packages would give you the exact path10:02
LaserJockesr: you can mirror in several different ways10:03
LaserJockyou could just rsync it10:03
esrWhat I'm actually trying to do is clean up the man-page corpus so it can be automatically lifted to HTML.  I'm working towards all the docs on your system being accessible through your browser as one integrated web.10:03
LaserJockthere's a package called debmirror10:03
lionelwe also have the Content file (used by apt-file) which contains all the files for all packages10:03
lionelyou can extract which packages have a manpage from this10:04
LaserJockesr: hmm, interesting, perhaps the doc team would also be interested in that10:04
sistpotyesr: I guess you might also be interested in the source packages then, since some (many?) man pages are already in docbook-sgml or xml and thus could be converted to html during build10:04
sladenLaserJock: for d in *.deb ; do dpkg-deb -x --fsys-tarfile $d | tar x --wildcards usr/share/man\* ; done10:04
esrLaserJock, I think they would be.  But I'm trying to design a distro-independent solution.10:05
bddebianeeks10:05
LaserJocksladen: yeah, once you get all the .deb's in pwd :-)10:05
esrOn the gripping hand, I can't think of a distro better positioned by phiilosophy to adopt this model first than Ubuntu.10:06
LaserJockesr: sure, makes sense.10:06
esrWhich is part of the reason I decamped from Fedora to here.10:06
bluefoxicyfedora has one nice thing10:07
bluefoxicygood Xen integration.10:07
LaserJockesr: so you want to make it so that you pop open a browser and can "surf" the documentation?10:07
sladenLaserJock: find / -name \*.deb -print0 | xargs -0n1 dpkg-deb -x --fsys-tarfile  | tar x --ignore-zeros --wildcards usr/share/man\*10:07
cbx33hey sladen 10:07
esrLaserjock: Exactly -- with searchability and proper crosslinks.10:07
cbx33long time no see10:07
bluefoxicyhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=214984410:07
sladencbx33: greetings, I'm down the road in Southampton at the moment, but back to London tomorrow and then FOSDEM10:08
LaserJockesr: what about documentation other than man pages? will that be included?10:08
cbx33cool10:08
esrIn a sane universe, the browser would replace man(1) and dedicated help vbrowswers like yelp. 10:08
cbx33sladen, what ya up to these days?10:08
bluefoxicyI am looking forward to the day managing a Xen network in Ubuntu is quick and easy.10:08
cbx33bluefoxicy, ++10:09
zulheh...you might want to wait a bit longer then10:09
sistpotyhehe10:09
esrLaserjock:  My design sketch would incorporate man pages, DocBook-XML, and Texinfo.10:09
esrAnd HTML, of course.10:09
sladenbluefoxicy: by that time, it'll be kvm10:09
bluefoxicyhttp://bluefox.kicks-ass.org/high_stakes/index.php?page=red-vs-blue  <-- nested Xen would be awesome though, because I could do this sans root access.10:09
bluefoxicysladen:  I bet I could nest Xen with kvm ;p10:09
LaserJockesr: interesting, the doc team (I'm a member) is working towards a Topic Based Help system10:09
LaserJockesr: maybe a bit more like a knowledgebase or something similar10:10
sladenbluefoxicy: yup10:10
LaserJockesr: searchability and usability being the key10:10
esrI'd do topic-based help via HTML topic index pages autogenerated when packages are checked in.10:10
esr...using metadata like Dublin Core embedded in the documents.10:11
LaserJockesr: yes, we are facing many difficulties with yelp/docbook10:11
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esrI've actually been thinking about this problem for five years.  You know about doclifter?10:12
LaserJockesr: supposedly Project Mallard will be easier, but it hasn't materialized yet10:12
LaserJockesr: no, I don't10:12
esrdoclifter lfts man-page sources to well-structured DocBook-XML.10:13
LaserJockesr: I see that10:13
esrHas over a 90% success rate at generating valid markup.10:13
esrThat's how we drain the awamp!10:13
LaserJockwow10:14
LaserJockI know how difficult it is to get decent docbook10:14
LaserJockI was recently redoing the doc teams licenses into docbook from plain text10:15
esrWell might you say wow.  Tpook me years to get it working.  The thing has more AI in it that some PhD projects in AI. :-)10:16
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ajmitchyay, php4 getting dropped!10:37
LaserJockis that demoted or dropped completely?10:38
ajmitchdropped completely10:38
ajmitchit's already in universe10:38
bddebiandropped completely10:38
ajmitchso the only further demotion is removal10:38
LaserJockhmm10:39
cbx33w00t10:39
RAOFIs it feature freeze yet?10:39
sistpotyRAOF: tomorrow (22nd)10:40
RAOFThat would be tomorrow - GMT +0, then.  'Cause it's the 22nd here right now :)10:40
RAOFIn that case, I'll just put http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4426 as a candidate for a second ACK, for anyone who has infinite time :)10:41
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=== RAOF thanks sistpoty profusely.
sistpotyRAOF: thank me only if I upload it ;)10:43
RAOFWell, just looking at it is one step further than I've managed so far :)10:43
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esrSo, where would be the place to propose a big plan for reworking the documentation infrastructure and having it be kicked around by the right people?10:44
lifelesslaunchpad.net/distros/ubuntus/+specs10:45
lifelessthats the planning process home10:45
sistpotyRAOF: where can I download 0.10.3? on http://download.gna.org/gcm/gnome-compiz-manager/ I see only 0.10.010:46
RAOFThat's a good question...10:46
esrlifeless, that URL 404s for me.10:47
RAOFI took that package over from the gandalfn, the original packager, who also is the dev for gnome-compiz-manager.10:47
LaserJockesr: yeah, as lifeless said launchpad.net/ubuntu/+specs10:47
RAOFIt's possible that he hasn't actually put a 0.10.3 tarball up anywhere but REVU :(10:47
LaserJockesr: and also probably the doc team would be interested, (#ubuntu-doc and ubuntu-doc mailing list)10:47
sistpotyRAOF: oh, nice10:48
RAOFsistpoty: So, shall I pester him to actually put the 0.10.3 tarball up on the project site?10:49
sistpotyRAOF: yes, would be nice10:49
RAOFsistpoty: Is it a blocker?  What sort of urgency do I need to put in the email :)10:51
sistpotyRAOF: no, it's no blocker, since he's upstream as well (and thus can make releases as he seems fit)10:51
RAOFOk, I'll give him a gentle prod then :)10:52
sistpoty:)10:52
ajmitchhi sistpoty 10:52
sistpotyhi ajmitch10:52
esrOK, I found the specs page.10:54
esrI guess I should join ubuntu-doc next.10:55
_ionesr: Have you noticed they added the Hacker Emblem to Unicode? U+2835, . They only forgot one of the dots.11:00
esr_ion: :-)11:00
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LaserJockbah, how do you temporarily cd somewhere, like in debian/rules?11:03
sistpotyLaserJock: in what context? shell-script?11:04
_ionRun it in a subshell? (cd foo; do stuff)11:04
_ionRemember also that all Makefile rules are run in their own shells.11:04
LaserJocksistpoty: debian rules, I want to cd to a directory then run make11:04
_ionAll lines in Makefile rules, that is.11:04
sistpotyLaserJock: cd directory; make 11:04
andy__Where do I submit packages?  Do you allow that?11:04
LaserJock!revu11:05
sistpotyubotu: revu11:05
ubotuREVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU11:05
LaserJockandy__: ^^11:05
sistpotyoh, it was ! :)11:05
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andy__Sounds a bit crude.  I'll give it a go.11:06
PlugI use gpg-agent, but when I run dpkg-buildpackage it doesn't ask for the passphrase and so can't sign the changes file.11:07
PlugIf I issue gpg --sign beforehand, enter passphrase, ctrl-c, then it caches it and works fine in dpkg-buildpackage11:07
Pluganyone got any ideas?11:07
RAOFPlug: Use seahorse?11:08
Plugseahorse is a gtk frontend for gpg?11:08
RAOFYes.11:08
sistpotyPlug: or use -us -uc for dpkg-buildpackage... and then later to a debsign *changes11:08
PlugI'm doing this from the console11:08
RAOFIt's just like gpg-agent, except that it works :P11:08
Plugsistpoty: yeah, I know there are workarounds (I always used to use -uc -us cos I was too lazy to set up signing keys :)11:08
RAOFPlug: Then do the "gpg --sign ~" first, to get your passphrase cached.11:09
PlugI assume other people must have seen this behaviour as well11:09
sistpotyPlug: I always use -us, -uc... because I always double-check the changes file before uploading (and then sign it) *g*11:09
RAOFI'm not sure why {dpkg-buildpackage, falcon} don't allow gpg-agent to show the passphrase-entry thing.11:09
slomoPlug: if you use seahorse please upgrade to 0.9.91-0ubuntu2, this fixes this crash ;) otherwise no idea11:09
PlugRAOF: ok, we're on the same page then.  Thats what I'm trying to figure out. :)11:10
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ajmitchmorning Plug 11:11
Plughey ajmitch11:11
Plugif I run the exact command line that falcon uses from the shell, it works11:17
PlugI assume the pinentry fails because it can't get a terminal?11:17
ajmitchmost likely, though I never use gpg-agent11:18
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PlugI would probably have 'foo' as my passphrase if it wasn't for agents11:18
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tsmithelovely11:20
ajmitchit is11:20
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tsmithebddebian, tell me why enblend takes so long to build11:25
bddebianDunno but it sure seems broken11:25
tsmithe:S11:26
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bddebianLater gang11:30
sistpotytststs ajmitch: wouldn't the universe qa chief get angry if you uploaded new packages after FF? :P11:34
ajmitchsistpoty: they'd be even angrier given the state of the package ;)11:34
sistpotyhehe11:34
ajmitchwith a SONAME like libldif60.so11:35
ajmitch(no trailing version number)11:35
sistpotynice11:35
ajmitchit's all for a good cause11:35
ajmitchthis is just the mozilla ldap c sdk, needed for fedora directory server11:35
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Plugaha!11:45
PlugI have an answer11:45
Plugyou need to set GPG_TTY 11:45
LaserJockargg, ever so close to beating CDBS11:45
Plugin my case, to the same as $SSH_TTY11:45
Plug(or just `tty` I guess)11:45
tsmitheargh i'm such an arse!!!11:46
ajmitchLaserJock: beating it?11:46
LaserJockajmitch: I'm trying to build another binary out of the ubuntu-docs source package11:46
LaserJockajmitch: dholbach's CDBS is killing me11:47
ajmitchah right11:47
ajmitchshould be fairly simple :)11:48
LaserJock$(patsubst %,binary-install/%,$(DEB_PACKAGES)) :: binary-install/%:11:48
ajmitchhow much of it is working now?11:48
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LaserJockI've got the new binary to work11:49
LaserJockbut the old binary is missing files11:49
LaserJockit seems like from this rule:11:49
LaserJockcommon-binary-post-install-indep::11:49
LaserJockI replaced it with common-binary-post-install-indep/ubuntu-docs::11:50
LaserJockbut I wonder if I shouldn't have11:50
sistpotyStevenK: are you uploading the mythtv sru actually? (since you gave the 3rd ack)11:54
LaserJockajmitch: wahoo, I got it to work11:56
LaserJockit runs the building for the one binary twice11:56
LaserJockbut I think I'll let that get solved another day11:56
ajmitchwell done :)11:59
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