[12:28] <GNUro> why does dh_make give us a copyright file such as "This is <program name> , written and maintained by ..." instead of "This package was debianized by.."?
[12:33] <tonyyarusso> tepsipakki: dh_make wanted it to be named that way - is it okay to change?
[12:40] <tonyyarusso> What do things like "dpkg-source: warning: executable mode 0755 of `config.sub' will not be represented in diff" mean?
[01:13] <slomo> giskard: ping?
[02:22] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:22] <pochu> hi bddebian :)
[02:23] <bddebian> Hello pochu
[02:23] <ajmitch> ah, it's a bddebian 
[02:23] <bddebian> Uh oh, what'd I do now? :)
[02:24] <Lathiat> RUN
[02:24] <pochu> nothing with listen, I think :)
[02:24] <pochu> bddebian: how much time needs a package to get to the archive?
[02:25] <bddebian> Can depend.  Did it build successfully this time?
[02:25] <ajmitch> bddebian: you sound guilty, what did you do?
[02:26] <bddebian> ajmitch: I'm always guilty of something :-)
[02:27] <ajmitch> guilty of complaining about yourself
[02:27] <pochu> bddebian: succesfully! :) https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/listen/0.5-0ubuntu2
[02:27] <pochu> in all architectures :)
[02:28] <bddebian> ajmitch: Not complaining, just truth-telling :_)
[02:29] <bddebian> pochu: It can depend but usually like every 3 hours or so I think
[02:30] <pochu> bddebian: ok, ty :)
[02:30] <pochu> I wasn't sure it had built successfully, but now that I've seen it, I'm very happyyyyyyyyy :D
[02:31] <pochu> however, listen won't be there with geser, slomo and yours' help :)
[02:31] <pochu> but it's there!!
[02:31] <pochu> hehe
[02:31] <pochu> hi Fujitsu :)
[02:43] <bddebian> geser: ping (gpib)?
[02:45] <bddebian> OK, who knows udev rules?
[02:49] <pochu> doesn't*
[02:51] <imbrandon> hum ho
[02:51] <imbrandon> ello all
[02:51] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[02:51] <pochu> hi imbrandon
[02:51] <imbrandon> moins pochu 
[02:52] <pochu> imbrandon: which one?
[02:53] <imbrandon> motorola razor
[02:53] <pochu> imbrandon: link? :)
[02:53] <imbrandon> one sec
[02:54] <imbrandon> http://www.mycricket.com/plansphones/motorolamotoslvrl7c
[02:55] <imbrandon> mp3 player, micro sd, bluetooth, etc etc etc
[02:55] <imbrandon> kinda nice
[02:55] <imbrandon> camera, camcorder too
[02:58] <bddebian> hum de dum dum
[02:58] <imbrandon> heya bddebian 
[02:59] <bddebian> hello again imbrandon :-)
[02:59] <imbrandon> lol
[03:00] <LaserJock> imbrandon: cool phone
[03:00] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[03:00] <LaserJock> I went to the Cingular store yesterda to see if I could get an upgrade
[03:01] <LaserJock> but I'd have to pay 50% more just to get to the lowest priced plan :/
[03:01] <LaserJock> hi bddebian 
[03:01] <jdong> imbrandon: does it have a bathroom timer too to tell you when it's about time to look for the closest restroom?
[03:02] <pochu> jdong: lol :)
[03:02] <pochu> imbrandon: nice phone
[03:02] <bddebian> c'mon who can help me name these stupid udev rules files?
[03:02] <jdong> pochu: that's my favorite comeback for "whoa, look at my new $TI_calc! It does $cheap_algebra_op_1 and $cheap_algebra_op_2!"
[03:03] <imbrandon> jdong, lol
[03:03] <pochu> hehe
[03:03] <imbrandon> LaserJock, get cricket, thats what i have, they have cric in reno
[03:03] <imbrandon> i love it
[03:04] <pochu> http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_c380_c385-658.php
[03:06] <LaserJock> imbrandon: did you really pay like $200 for that phone?
[03:07] <imbrandon> $214 + tax
[03:07] <imbrandon> yea
[03:07] <LaserJock> must be nice having a real job ;-)
[03:07] <imbrandon> heh
[03:08] <Lathiat> heh
[03:08] <Lathiat> yeh i dont want to go back to study now
[03:08] <Lathiat> too much money owrking
[03:08] <LaserJock> I'm paying $60/month for two lines and the phones were free
[03:08] <LaserJock> and that was a stretch
[03:09] <imbrandon> i pay 55 a month for unlimited everything , web voicemail longdistance etc etc etc
[03:09] <imbrandon> and its 10 bux more per phone/line
[03:09] <imbrandon> so for 2 it would be 65
[03:09] <LaserJock> wow, that is good
[03:09] <imbrandon> thats why i like cricket
[03:10] <LaserJock> imbrandon: have you tried the mobile web?
[03:10] <imbrandon> they are great if you have them in your 5~area and reno does
[03:10] <Megaqwerty> could anyone point me to a tutorial or something to learn how to package .deb files?
[03:10] <imbrandon> yea i was on gmail earlier when i got the phone
[03:10] <imbrandon> !packageguide
[03:10] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[03:10] <Megaqwerty> thanks
[03:10] <imbrandon> Megaqwerty, there ya go
[03:10] <bddebian> Damnit, beat me to it
[03:10] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:11] <imbrandon> asac?
[03:11] <imbrandon> is that a nick?
[03:11] <ajmitch> firefox guy
[03:11] <ajmitch> yes
[03:11] <imbrandon> ahh
[03:12] <ajmitch> might be easier to split it into another source package
[03:12] <gnomefreak> ajmitch: its fun
[03:13] <gnomefreak> ajmitch: dpkg-buildpackage :)
[03:13] <zul_> ajmitch: i think if you check his launchpad page it would probably tell you
[03:19] <ajmitch> gnomefreak: that's so helpful
[03:19] <gnomefreak> ajmitch: really to build ff you cd into the firefox dir after unpacking. make your changes (as long as its a point release (patch or what not) just run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -k<keyid> and it will build
[03:19] <gnomefreak> ajmitch: see above :)
[03:19] <ajmitch> gnomefreak: yeah, I think I know how to build packages thanks :)
[03:20] <ajmitch> gnomefreak: when I said another binary package, I meant an additional one, as specifcied in debian/control
[03:21] <gnomefreak> figured that thats why i didnt answer right away
[03:22] <ajmitch> so you figured that, but said it anyway? :)
[03:23] <tonyyarusso> Can someone help me decipher lintian output please?
[03:23] <bddebian> pastebin it
[03:24] <tonyyarusso> 'k
[03:25] <gnomefreak> ajmitch: you might be able to catch him in #ubuntu-mozillateam tomorrow he said he was gone for the day
[03:27] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6801/
[03:28] <bddebian> tonyyarusso: THe NMU warnings you can ignore
[03:28] <tonyyarusso> The CVS directories were included in the tarball, btw.
[03:28] <bddebian> Aye, and they shouldn't be
[03:28] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: Okay.  (What does NMU mean anyway?)
[03:28] <bddebian> Non-Maintainer Upload
[03:28] <tonyyarusso> ah
[03:28] <tonyyarusso> Should rules have something to remove the CVS stuff?
[03:30] <bddebian> No, they should be removed from the tarball :-)
[03:30] <bddebian> Either get upstream to remove them or you can re-pack it. (Upstream fixing is preferred)
[03:31] <bddebian> Same goes for config.log and any generated files. If they are there, they should be cleaned also
[03:31] <bddebian> If config.log is coming from your build, make sure you have a clean target and are doing 'make clean' or whatever is appropriate
[03:31] <tonyyarusso> Well, there's certainly no hope of getting upstream to remove them by the 22nd, I figure.  What's the proper way to delete them?  Through the diff, or rules?
[03:31] <bddebian> Neither
[03:32] <tonyyarusso> I thought we weren't supposed to modify the tarball though?
[03:32] <bddebian> Ideally we aren't
[03:32] <tonyyarusso> But this would be an acceptable exception?
[03:32] <bddebian> Depends on who you ask
[03:34] <tonyyarusso> All right, cut to the chase: Would either leaving them or modifying it to remove them be grounds for rejecting the upload?
[03:34] <bddebian> ajmitch: ^^ ?
[03:38] <bddebian> tonyyarusso: Personally, I would whack them and make a note in debian/README.Debian but I'm wrong often :)
[03:39] <tonyyarusso> noted
[03:43] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: Is there a set format to README.Debian?  (I already lost the .ex)
[03:43] <bddebian> Nope, it's just a place for comments/notes, etc related to the package
[03:43] <bddebian> At least not that I've ever seen
[03:44] <Lathiat> pretty sure your right
[03:45] <bddebian> Wow, that's a first ;-P
[03:46] <tonyyarusso> If I get this done and up on REVU tonight, is anyone available to take a look soon enough for possible Feisty inclusion?  (I know the deadline is Thursday, kinda tight...)
[03:46] <bddebian> We can try
[03:47] <tonyyarusso> :)
[04:15] <RAOF> Hey, anyone want to give a second ACK (or reject based on linda output) for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4426 ?
[04:15] <RAOF> I finally heard back from the original packager, and he's cool with me fixing his stuff :)
[04:19] <RAOF> #ubuntu-devel
[04:39] <bddebian> BROADCOM MUST DIE
[04:39] <RAOF> Your wireless sucks?
[04:40] <joejaxx> mozilla-browser/seamonkey is not in feisty?
[04:40] <crimsun> joejaxx: no, and no.
[04:40] <joejaxx> broadcom works for me
[04:40] <RAOF> bddebian: Thanks for gnome-compiz-manager, review, btw.
[04:41] <RAOF> joejaxx: Are you running Feisty?
[04:41] <RAOF> Because Feisty seems to be breaking the poor Broadcomm users into little pieces.
[04:41] <joejaxx> crimsun: were they taken out on purpose?
[04:41] <crimsun> yes.
[04:41] <joejaxx> oh ok
[04:42] <bddebian> RAOF: Yeah feisty and I had it working until my latest dist-upgrade :-(
[04:42] <joejaxx> crimsun: did i miss a mailing list discussion?
[04:42] <RAOF> crimsun: Incidentally, have I thanked you for fixing my ASUS laptop's sound?  If not, thanks :)
[04:42] <joejaxx> bddebian: :(
[04:43] <crimsun> bddebian: bah, it's not feisty's supposed to /work/
[04:43] <crimsun> not like ^
[04:44] <joejaxx> :P
[04:44] <ajmitch> crimsun: isn't that why the developers pull an all-nighter just before release?
[04:44] <crimsun> ajmitch: oh of course!
[04:45] <ajmitch> since they have nothing better to do anyway
[04:46] <bddebian> This freakin sucks donkey ....
[04:47] <crimsun> joejaxx: there have been a[t least a]  couple threads about m-b/iceape, fixing Depends/Suggests/Recommends, and what Ubuntu plans to do [in short, using firefox/thunderbird/etc.] 
[04:48] <joejaxx> which list? maybe i am not subscribed to it
[04:49] <crimsun> should be u-d-*, see bug 77009 for an example that resulted
[04:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 77009 in wysihtml "failed deps on iceweasel | iceape-browser | icedove" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77009
[04:52] <joejaxx> crimsun: oh alright thanks :)
[05:46] <nixternal> LaserJock: 22:46:05 [     mako]  yes, very cute :)   <- Mako Hell is where Bill Gats will go :)
[05:56] <LaserJock> nixternal: hehe
[06:00] <bddebian> uh oh
[06:06] <LaserJock> oops
[06:06] <tritium> Hey LaserJock
[06:06] <LaserJock> hi tritium 
[06:08] <LaserJock> tritium: how's it going? other than missing meetings?
[06:08] <tonyyarusso> pbuilder just failed to build, giving all kinds of stuff like this:
[06:08] <tonyyarusso> tar: mozilla/embedding/qa/mozembed/src/mozEmbed.h: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[06:08] <tonyyarusso> tar: Skipping to next header
[06:08] <tritium> LaserJock: not bad.  You?  Any news?
[06:08] <LaserJock> tritium: oh, getting data. Got a postdoc working for/with me now
[06:09] <tritium> Excellent.
[06:09] <LaserJock> tritium: she's a biochemist though so some of the more "physicsy" stuff takes some time
[06:09] <tonyyarusso> Those files do exist...
[06:09] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: where?
[06:09] <tritium> LaserJock: right on.
[06:09] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: In both the tarball and my extracted source dir.
[06:10] <RAOF> LaserJock: Cool.  I wish I had someone to simplify huge, awkward algebraic expressions for me
[06:10] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: hmm
[06:11] <RAOF> Maybe I should accidentally set them as questions for my tutees :)
[06:11] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: what can I do?
[06:21] <LaserJock> RAOF: it's all about delegation
[06:21] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: any ideas whatsoever?
[06:21] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: I'm not really sure, just make sure the files are in the source package and they are really where pbuilder thinks they are
[06:23] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: Particularly, you might want to make sure that the current-working-directory is where you think it is at that point of debian/rules.
[06:26] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: Not sure how to check where pbuilder thinks they are.
[06:26] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: How?
[06:26] <tonyyarusso> By the way, I used -sa with debuild, so it would be ready for REVU - does pbuilder need it done without?
[06:30] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: By eye, really.  I suppose you could add a punch of "echo `pwd`" to debian/rules, though.
[06:32] <pochu> good night guys :)
[06:32] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: I'll try looking through it...I don't understand the debian/rules file at all though.  Guess I'm not getting this done tonight :(
[06:39] <tonyyarusso> I'm off for the night then.  Thanks.
[06:59] <AnAnt> bddebian: thanks
[07:01] <bddebian> AnAnt: NP
[07:01] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[08:07] <dholbach> good morning
[08:08] <LaserJock> morning dholbach 
[08:09] <dholbach> hey LaserJock
[08:13] <LaserJock> what?
[08:13] <tsmithe> dholbach, could i pester you for some reviews?
[08:13] <dholbach> tsmithe: it's best to drop me a mail with the packages you want to get reviewed
[08:13] <dholbach> tsmithe: that way i don't forget it and can shove it between other tasks
[08:13] <dholbach> tsmithe: but yeah, I'm happy to
[08:14] <tsmithe> thank you very much
[08:15] <tsmithe> what's the e-mail address i should use?
[08:15] <LaserJock> tsmithe: yeah, I think the best thing to do is to get on people's TODO list
[08:15] <dholbach> tsmithe: dholbach ubuntu com
[08:15] <tsmithe> cool
[08:15] <tsmithe> thanks
[08:33] <tsmithe> right - i'm off
[08:33] <tsmithe> LaserJock, anyone, if you do happen to catch a spare moment, you know what i'd like ;)
[09:01] <siretart> slomo: pong? :)
[09:13] <LaserJock> dholbach: will motu-council be public?
[09:13] <LaserJock> or is it for inter-council communications like TB's
[09:14] <dholbach> LaserJock: public
[09:46] <slomo> siretart: can you take a look at #86515 ? thanks :)
[09:47] <siretart> bug 86515
[09:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86515 in ndesk-dbus "UVF exception: ndesk-dbus 0.4.1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86515
[09:48] <ajmitch> new version already?
[09:48] <siretart> slomo: done :)
[09:48] <slomo> siretart: thanks :)
[09:49] <RAOF> Can someone give the second ACK (or complain about the linda warnings) for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4426 ?
[09:50] <slomo> ajmitch: yep, since yesterday... some bugfixes only :)
[09:53] <LaserJock> man, Council Greyskull meeting is 10UTC? I'm glad I'm nobody nominated me ;-)
[09:56] <ajmitch> haha
[10:04] <LaserJock> The_8472: is that what's going in bug #86434 ?
[10:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86434 in azureus "Azureus won't start in Feisty Herd 4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86434
[10:05] <The_8472> no idea, i'm not an ubuntu user... i'm just az support staffer ;)
[10:06] <LaserJock> The_8472: right, I just thought it might look familiar ;-)
[10:06] <The_8472> and that bugreport doesn't include the logfile, so i can't tell if it's the same or not
[10:07] <The_8472> did you guys recently upgrade some gtk libs?
[10:09] <LaserJock> The_8472: that's certainly possible. Do you know what release?
[10:09] <The_8472> you mean of ubuntu?
[10:10] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:10] <The_8472> no, but i can ask the user
[10:10] <LaserJock> do you know which one is having the problem?
[10:10] <The_8472> #
[10:10] <The_8472> OS:testing/unstable
[10:10] <The_8472> #
[10:10] <The_8472> 
[10:10] <The_8472> #
[10:10] <The_8472> uname:Linux 2.6.17-11-generic #2 SMP Thu Feb 1 19:52:28 UTC 2007 i686
[10:11] <The_8472> if that helps
[10:12] <Amaranth> it's reading it as a debian system :P
[10:12] <Amaranth> but that's 6.10
[10:13] <LaserJock> bah, I don't even know where we get swt/gtk
[10:13] <LaserJock> looks like maybe eclipse
[10:16] <RAOF> Amaranth: Have you had any trouble with Compiz today?
[10:16] <Amaranth> RAOF: i haven't updated today
[10:16] <RAOF> Ah.  I think some of the new Xorg stuff is breaking it.  Upgrade and see :)
[10:17] <Amaranth> and i downgraded to the libx11 that doesn't use libxcb
[10:17] <Amaranth> because i couldn't login due to an xcb error :)
[10:17] <RAOF> :)
[10:17] <Amaranth> oh, bleh
[10:17] <RAOF> ?
[10:18] <Amaranth> nothing
[10:18] <Amaranth> i thought that libx11 was in the repos now
[10:18] <RAOF> Well, if you're not doing anything, want to provide the second ACK for gnome-compiz-manager?
[10:18] <RAOF> :P
[10:19] <Amaranth> uh
[10:19] <Amaranth> i'm not a person that can ACK things on revu
[10:19] <Amaranth> i'm not even registered in revu
[10:19] <RAOF> Well, that's not very helpful!
[10:19] <LaserJock> Amaranth: lucky you ;-)
[10:19] <RAOF> How can you not be a MOTU?
[10:19] <RAOF> Silly person!
[10:20] <ajmitch> I just lurk here :)
[10:20] <The_8472> LaserJock, since we usually tell ubuntu users to fetch an official build from our site and it works afterwards i guess its due to the outdated SWT version in the ubuntu repos
[10:21] <The_8472> we ship with swt 33XX. ubuntu uses 3235
[10:23] <LaserJock> The_8472: I'm just guessing it'd be a bit difficult for use to fix
[10:24] <LaserJock> *us
[10:25] <The_8472> isn't it possible to make user-specific installations? something that would go to ~/bin/azureus or something like that?
[10:25] <The_8472> this way azureus could use its own updater
[10:25] <LaserJock> The_8472: the user could do that I guess
[10:26] <The_8472> yes, we tell them to do it... the problem is that users expect the repo-version to work, and if it doesn't they often come to us :/
[10:27] <LaserJock> the problem is 6.10 has already been released and so it's very difficult to put new versions into it
[10:27] <LaserJock> we don't know if/what we're breaking by fixing one bug, etc.
[10:27] <The_8472> a fix for the next version would be sufficient... as long as that kind of problem is fixed on the long term
[10:28] <The_8472> i mean it's not the first time that we have run into problems with "customized" builds for repos
[10:30] <LaserJock> how would I know what swt version I have?
[10:31] <The_8472> if azureus is running you can check under help -> about
[10:46] <LaserJock> The_8472: I can imagine. This is a common disto/upstream issue
[10:48] <LaserJock> The_8472: I would either file a bug or email the ubuntu-motu mailing list
[10:48] <LaserJock> that way more people (and hopefully the more knowledgable one) can chime in
[10:50] <givre> heya people
[10:52] <givre> can someone upload http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4417 bddebian belived that it needed first to be remove from NEW (i have an old version waiting here), but seb128 said me that it wan't needed
[10:52] <givre> thanks
[11:01] <GNUro> Hello!
[11:10] <AstralJava> Could anybody be kind enough to help me find out why my pbuilder doesn't see glib.h? Lots of information here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6831/ Thanks! :)
[11:11] <slomo> giskard: ping? :)
[11:18] <StevenK> AstralJava: Is the #include <glib.h> or <glib-2.0/glib.h> ?
[11:20] <AstralJava> StevenK: It's #include <glib.h>
[11:21] <StevenK> That would be why it can't be found, then. It's supposed to be <glib-2.0/glib.h>
[11:21] <xerxas> Hi all
[11:24] <AstralJava> StevenK: Thanks! Now since I'm new to packaging stuff, what's the best approach in fixing this? I can't seem to reach the upstream author, and since it's very close to deadline already, I can't wait for an answer anymore.
[11:26] <StevenK> I'd suggest a patch.
[11:26] <AstralJava> Alright. Thanks again!
[11:27] <daviey> Am i rightt in saying, If you were doing absolute path it would be #include "glib-2.0/glib.h" 
[11:30] <StevenK> Not "", "" and <> are different for #include.
[11:37] <Kagou> dholbach: is there an end line for uvf for feisty ?! (Bug #86480 and Bug #86517)
[11:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86480 in dcraw "UVF exception : dcraw 8.39 -> 8.54" [Wishlist,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86480
[11:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86517 in gimp-dcraw "UVF exception : gimp-dcraw 1.27 -> 1.29" [Wishlist,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86517
[11:37] <dholbach> Kagou: end line?
[11:38] <dholbach> Kagou: we'll consider UVF exception requests until some days before release - if that's what you mean
[11:38] <Kagou> yes, like a UVF freeze on feisty schedule. 
[11:38] <dholbach> we're in UVf already
[11:39] <Kagou> oh, i understand.
[11:39] <Kagou> why ubuntu/launchpad and all the world not speaking french ?! ;)
[11:41] <StevenK> dholbach: Oh drat. I thought it was tomorrow
[11:41] <dholbach> StevenK: I dunno who decided on that Universe FF
[11:41] <RAOF> You might be thinking of feature freeze, StevenK?
[11:41] <StevenK> RAOF: More than likely. :-)
[11:46] <AstralJava> StevenK: After adding what was suggested, I now get this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6837/
[11:47] <AstralJava> How to get around of that?
[11:48] <StevenK> Oh, leave it as #include <glib.h>, and specify -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 in the CFLAGS.
[11:49] <StevenK> There is more than likely a nice automated way to do this, but I don't know it.
[11:50] <AstralJava> Alright, seems it was done "The Right Way" earlier since I get: checking for GLIB_CFLAGS... -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/libxml2  at one point.
[11:53] <StevenK> Then just use GLIB_CFLAGS
[11:54] <AstralJava> But apparently they won't do the trick, since I've seen that message all the time, with or without "glib-2.0/" in the #include clause.
[11:55] <shufla> hello. I'm not able to goolge for it, but I'
[11:55] <shufla> m interested in having debian/* directory from source in svn
[11:55] <shufla> are there any ready solutions for such thing?
[11:56] <shufla> we have right now full source package in svn which is doubling work, because svn *is* revision based system, same as dpkg tools provide.
[11:56] <shufla> like on alioth.debian.org and pkg-* in thier svn.
[11:57] <coNP> shufla: there is svn-buildpackage and svn-autoreleasedeb, but I am not sure what you really want to do :)
[11:58] <shufla> coNP: to have debian/control in svn, tarballs and rest on http for example and automatic builder for that.
[11:58] <shufla> coNP: svn-buildpackage is what I need I think :D
[11:59] <Kagou> dholbach do you need more informations for dcraw uvf ?
[12:07] <shufla> bye
[12:09] <GNUro> AstralJava: However apt-get install, will install gli
[12:47] <geser> zul: hi. xen-meta still fails to build because you applied the changes from my debdiff on the wrong target and missing an assignement at the beginning
[12:54] <AnAnt> lionel: ping
[12:54] <lionel> pong AnAnt
[12:55] <AnAnt> lionel: could you review acon ? It needs one more advocate, it is a bug fix upload not a new package
[12:56] <AnAnt> lionel: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4427
[12:56] <lionel> AnAnt: I am not a MOTU, so I can not advocate
[12:56] <AnAnt> oh
[12:56] <lionel> AnAnt: It is only an update, to a new package ?
[12:57] <AnAnt> lionel != lionelp ?
[12:57] <lionel> no, lionel=lionelp
[12:57] <AnAnt> lionel: it is an update to a package that existed in Edgy
[12:57] <lionel> AnAnt: so you only need one advocate to get updated
[12:57] <AnAnt> lionel: and it's not a new upstream release
[12:57] <AnAnt> yup
[12:59] <lionel> AnAnt: you only need someone to upload
[12:59] <AnAnt> erm, so what should I do ?
[01:00] <lionel> Adri2000, geser, can you have a look on AnAnt package. bddebian already advocated (it is only and update)
[01:01] <AnAnt> thanks
[01:07] <geser> as this is an update to an existing package bddebian could upload it. I'm looking at it right now
[01:21] <geser> AnAnt: acon uploaded
[01:22] <AnAnt> geser: thanks
[01:28] <ScottK> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4428 has had it's UVF exception approved and it ready for review if anyone is available?
[01:32] <lionel> geser: for acroread-asian-fonts, the package only contains fonts for acroread. I did not notice that acroread was removed. So please archive this package
[01:38] <geser> lionel: done
[01:39] <lionel> thanks
[01:40] <ajmitch> oh what a hacky package I'm creating
[01:46] <AstralJava> Alright, the problem seems to be in the configure script, if you look at checking for GLIB_CFLAGS... -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/libxml2 part on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6831/ (line 407) they don't get transferred along to lines 419 and/or 421. Any idea why? This part of configure script is on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6860/
[01:51] <crimsun> config.log would be more useful.
[01:52] <crimsun> I suspect autotools (Makefile.{am,in}) screwage.
[01:57] <AstralJava> crimsun, others: config.log -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6861/
[02:06] <pochu> hi all :) yesterday geser updated listen in the archive, and it built fine. however it isn't in the archive yet. do you know how much time needs a package to hit the archive?
[02:07] <fernando> hey all
[02:10] <pochu> hi fernando
[02:11] <ScottK> pochu: Are you sure it's not there yet?  According to LP the new packages are built: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/listen/0.5-0ubuntu2
[02:11] <pochu> ScottK: I think not :( http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/listen/
[02:12] <ScottK> Yes.  The last entries there were built yesterday.  Was there more than one upload yesterday?
[02:12] <ScottK> Nevermind
[02:14] <ScottK> pochu: It does not appear to be hung up in the queue https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=&start=0 so I don't know what to tell you.
[02:20] <geser> pochu: see my question in #ubuntu-devel: archive.u.c seems to have troubles
[02:20] <pochu> geser: going :)
[02:21] <pochu> geser: ty :)
[02:24] <giskard> slomo, pong
[03:12] <pirast> seb128, could  you please do the sync in bug #84917? :-)
[03:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84917 in bcm43xx-fwcutter "[SYNC]  Please sync bcm43xx-fwcutter from Debian" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84917
[03:14] <givre> pirast: subsribe ubuntu-archive to the bug
[03:14] <pirast> givre, that has changed afaik
[03:16] <pirast> givre, see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-February/000250.html
[03:16] <Adri2000> pirast: no, and seb128 isn't in this channel
[03:16] <pirast> Adri2000, i also noticed and contacted him in an other channel :-)
[03:17] <ScottK> Adri2000: do you have time for a review?
[03:18] <ScottK> It's http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4428 and the UVF exception is approved.
[03:18] <Adri2000> ScottK: maybe, depends what it is :p
[03:18] <Adri2000> ok, new upstream version, I will kook
[03:18] <Adri2000> look*
[03:18] <ScottK> Thanks.
[03:19] <pirast> Adi2000 givre: also: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess it says "subscribe and ubuntu-universe-sponsors for packages in Universe/Multiverse."
[03:20] <lionel> pirast: for a sync, you open you bug and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[03:20] <lionel> then when a ubuntu-dev ACKed, he should subscribe ubuntu-archive
[03:20] <pirast> lionel, yeah I know.. but givre said subscribe ubuntu-archive directly :-)
[03:21] <lionel> and then, when an archive admin do his work (on the days given in your mail) he does the sync :)
[03:21] <Adri2000> pirast: yep, and then a member of u-u-s subscribes ubuntu-archive if it's ok, but no need to ping an archive admin on irc, except "if your need is in some ways urgent (and jumping the queue
[03:21] <Adri2000> is justified)" (from the ubuntu-devel-announce email)
[03:21] <crimsun> Don't sub u-a unless you're a member of ubuntu-dev.
[03:21] <pirast> okay
[03:30] <xopher> hey, could updating dbus and dbus-glib do any massive harm to my system? 
[03:33] <Lathiat> xopher: yeh theres plenty of potential there if its buggered
[03:36] <Adri2000> ScottK: "changed maintainer to back to MOTU." < I can remove the first "to", right? :)
[03:36] <ScottK> Sure.  Thanks for the catch.
[03:36] <ScottK> That or I can fix it, whatever you prefer.
[03:37] <xopher> Lathiat, so you're saying it's not worth it? What problems could arise?
[03:37] <Adri2000> ScottK: I can do it, if you have nothing else to change
[03:38] <ScottK> I've got nothing else.
[03:38] <Adri2000> ok
[03:44] <joejaxx> Toadstool: are you around?
[03:46] <Adri2000> ScottK: uploaded
[03:48] <ScottK> Adri2000: Thanks!
[03:50] <siretart> slomo: ?
[03:57] <shufla> hello. are there logs for this channel?
[03:59] <pochu> !log | shufla
[03:59] <ubotu> shufla: Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[03:59] <pochu> ups, he isn't here :)
[03:59] <pochu> hehe
[04:00] <zul> i guess he can check the log files then
[04:00] <zul> for the answer
[04:01] <pochu> zul: hehe :)
[04:03] <cbx33> hi guys
[04:03] <cbx33> I have a script that is used to start a binary, it is only used during xsession boot up
[04:03] <cbx33> where would be the best palce to store it
[04:06] <cbx33> it's currently in /usr/bin/
[04:06] <cbx33> but I'm not sure it's the right place for it
[04:06] <cbx33> /usr/share/ isn't right
[04:06] <cbx33> argh
[04:06] <cbx33> where should i put it
[04:06] <crimsun> the script itself? Well if it's an Xsession-type, then use /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
[04:06] <cbx33> crimsun
[04:06] <cbx33> no it's not
[04:06] <cbx33> an xsession calls it
[04:06] <cbx33> an xsession script calls it
[04:07] <cbx33> it's to do with xsessiond but musn't be run by xsessiond
[04:07] <cbx33> it's more of a launcher
[04:07] <cbx33> hey bddebian 
[04:08] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:08] <bddebian> Hi cbx33
[04:09] <geser> Hi bddebian
[04:09] <bddebian> Heya geser
[04:09] <bddebian> geser: If you get bored, I threw up a new gpib
[04:09] <givre> heya bddebian
[04:09] <ScottK> Heya bddebian.  You just missed your chance to have me bug you about uploading an update for me...
[04:09] <bddebian> Also, I don't know if the firmware can be included or not?
[04:09] <crimsun> cbx33: what's wrong w/ using /usr/bin/ ?
[04:09] <bddebian> Hi givre, ScottK
[04:09] <cbx33> crimsun, didn't know if it was frowned upon
[04:09] <crimsun> cbx33: e.g., /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60seahorse uses /usr/bin/seahorse-agent
[04:09] <cbx33> ok I'll do that
[04:09] <cbx33> thanks crimsun 
[04:10] <bddebian> ScottK: I saw it up yesterday and I was wondering about that :)
[04:10] <geser> zul: should I prepare a new debdiff for xen-meta or fix it and upload? it still ftbfs (you applied the changes on the wrong target and missed a line)
[04:10] <zul> geser: yes go ahead
[04:11] <givre> bddebian: about ntfs-config, i asked seb128, who said me : seb128: givre: no need to reject it, just upload the new version and it'll be superseded
[04:11] <ScottK> bddebian: I got out of sequence and uploaded before I had the UVF exception approved.  I got that overnight.
[04:11] <bddebian> givre: OK, that's news to me but I'll throw it up
[04:13] <givre> bddebian: yeah i also didn't really know.
[04:17] <bddebian> givre: Uploaded
[04:20] <pochu> bddebian, givre: there seems to be a problem with the archive, so maybe the uploads don't hit the archive for a while
[04:21] <pochu> bddebian, givre: it seems it works now! wow!
[04:21] <pochu> what fast :)
[04:21] <pochu> hehe
[04:21] <pochu> I haven't said anything :)
[04:21] <givre> pochu: thank you for the info :)
[04:21] <pochu> geser: debian in the archive!
[04:21] <bddebian> WTF are you two talking about? :-)
[04:24] <bddebian> Well I guess I'm going to fail on tilp2 and gpib :'-(
[04:26] <pochu> bddebian: good luck :)
[04:29] <bddebian> tsmithe: ping (re: wired)
[04:35] <shufla> hello. how to pass -rfakeroot to svn-autoreleasedeb by its config file? <option name="gain-root-command" value="fakeroot"/> or <option name="-r" value="fakeroot"/> do not works...
[05:32] <Adri2000> a binary package A that depends on a lib binary package B (they are from the same source package). B shouldn't depend on A right? because it creates circular dependencies
[05:36] <bddebian> Adri2000: Does the library need to depend on the A ?
[05:37] <Adri2000> I don't think so, a program depends on a lib but a lib usually doesn't depend on a program
[05:38] <bddebian> Right, that's why I'm asking :-)
[05:38] <Adri2000> the debian maintainer of this package set these strange dependencies, and there is a bug report about the circular dependencies
[05:39] <Adri2000> wow, what's that
[05:39] <Adri2000> usr/bin/share/applications/*
[05:39] <Adri2000> usr/bin/share/pixmaps/*
[05:44] <bddebian> heh, I'd say wrong
[05:44] <Adri2000> :)
[05:54] <tsmithe> bddebian, ping?
[05:55] <bddebian> tsmithe: Yeah, what'd you update on wired?
[05:55] <tsmithe> eh?
[05:55] <tsmithe> oh - right
[05:55] <bddebian> there's a new upload after my comments
[05:56] <tsmithe> i added one with all the AUTHORS in debian/copyright
[05:56] <tsmithe> and the portaudio licence as well
[05:56] <tsmithe> so nothing can be disputed ;)
[05:56] <tsmithe> http://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=4403&upid2=4432 ;)
[05:57] <sistpoty> hi folks
[05:57] <tsmithe> hiya sistpoty 
[05:57] <sistpoty> hi tsmithe
[05:57] <pochu> hi sistpoty :)
[05:57] <sistpoty> hi pochu
[05:58] <Adri2000> hi sistpoty :)
[05:58] <sistpoty> hi Adri2000
[05:58] <Adri2000> tsmithe: "+Portmidi licence:" < "licence" is french, "license" is english :p
[05:58] <dholbach> hi sistpoty
[05:58] <dholbach> hi Adri2000
[05:58] <dholbach> hi pochu
[05:58] <sistpoty> hi dholbach
[05:58] <dholbach> tsmithe: looking at the packages
[05:59] <tsmithe> Adri2000, no that's a british spelling as well, i'm pretty sure
[05:59] <pochu> dholbach: hi :)
[05:59] <Adri2000> tsmithe: ah, didn't know that
[05:59] <tsmithe> dholbach, cool - you could hang on enblend; i've got a couple of things to fix
[05:59] <tsmithe> Adri2000, ;)
[06:00] <dholbach> tsmithe: alrighty
[06:00] <tsmithe> Adri2000, ^^ you too if you're looking
[06:00] <tsmithe> bddebian, could you help me with those man errors on enblend? i'm not too sure what to make of them
[06:01] <tsmithe> also mrgh... "PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 9): 550 <tsmithe@ubuntu.com>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table". who do i have to pester, or is it automagic?
[06:01] <bddebian> tsmithe: Yeah, give me a sec
[06:01] <tsmithe> cool
[06:01] <tsmithe> thanks 
[06:01] <gpocentek> hello Universe
[06:01] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[06:02] <bddebian> Heya gpocentek
[06:02] <tsmithe> hi gpocentek, Toadstool
[06:02] <sistpoty> hi gpocentek and Toadstool
[06:02] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[06:02] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[06:03] <Toadstool> joejaxx: life's been crazy lately, I don't have that much time for Ubuntu :/
[06:03] <Toadstool> hey tsmithe & sistpoty 
[06:03] <sistpoty> hi Toadstool
[06:04] <cbx33> hi guys some advice please....
[06:04] <cbx33> I have a personal repo
[06:05] <cbx33> and I have some packages which i am working on which are in main
[06:05] <tsmithe> mmhmm
[06:05] <cbx33> I wanted to put up some development debs in my repo
[06:05] <cbx33> so beta testers can grab them and test before i create the debdiffs to cahnge main
[06:05] <cbx33> does that makes sense?
[06:06] <tsmithe> cbx33, yeah
[06:06] <tsmithe> dunno if it's "policy" though
[06:07] <cbx33> as opposed to them grabbing the source which they are totally at liberty to do
[06:07] <cbx33> so i wanted to ask
[06:07] <cbx33> a) is this a good idea?
[06:07] <joejaxx> Toadstool: oh alright
[06:07] <cbx33> b) what is a better idea?
[06:07] <cbx33> c) if a) is yes, should I call them by different pacakge names?
[06:08] <cbx33> or give them different pacakge versions?
[06:08] <cbx33> :S
[06:08] <tsmithe> d
[06:09] <cbx33> hah
[06:09] <tsmithe> new versions: like by appending ~cbx33
[06:09] <tsmithe> ;)
[06:09] <cbx33> yeh?
[06:11] <joejaxx> Toadstool: may i pm?
[06:11] <Toadstool> joejaxx: sure
[06:14] <sistpoty> keescook: just read your comment to bug #68400...
[06:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68400 in mythtv "[SRU]  "Could not install the upgrades" - installArchives() failed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68400
[06:15] <sistpoty> keescook: actually the last member of motu-sru would be doing the uploading (that way sponsoring is speedier), but I don't mind if you do the uploading as well ;)
[06:15] <sistpoty> crimsun, StevenK, siretart: work for motu-sru: bug #68400
[06:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68400 in mythtv "[SRU]  "Could not install the upgrades" - installArchives() failed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68400
[06:16] <keescook> sistpoty: oh! sorry.  no problem; I don't care who uploads -- I was just offering to lessen the work load.  :)
[06:16] <sistpoty> keescook: thanks for the offer ;
[06:17] <sistpoty> +)
[06:20] <dholbach> tsmithe: wired updated
[06:20] <tsmithe> ooh
[06:23] <tsmithe> dholbach, "some libs are installed to ./usr/lib/wired/wired/ some to ./usr/lib/wired/ - are you sure thats ok?"  yeah, it's either have some in /usr/lib all sprawled around whilst others are in /usr/lib/wired, or have some in /usr/lib/wired and others in /usr/lib/wired/wired. i'll get upstream to fix for next release, but for now i'm hopeful that it's ok
[06:24] <dholbach> I wasn't discussing  /usr/lib - but the "wired/wired" bit - but cool you're in touch with upstream
[06:24] <tsmithe> ok
[06:24] <tsmithe> the choice is between those two options, really
[06:24] <tsmithe> (for now, at least)
[06:24] <tsmithe> "your probably dont want to install the *.la files."  i'm not 100% sure what they are. why not?
[06:27] <bddebian> They are no longer needed/used
[06:28] <tsmithe> bddebian, even by wired? what are they?
[06:29] <dholbach> the .la files contain information about what dependency libraries are, etc
[06:29] <sistpoty> dholbach, gpocentek, crimsun, ajmitch: you have mail... what do you think?
[06:29] <dholbach> maybe it's not that important for wired as there's nothing that builds against it
[06:30] <dholbach> you sometimes have to do rebuilds just because the information in .la files is outdated and confuses other builds - pkgconfig is the future
[06:30] <dholbach> sistpoty: checking
[06:30] <bddebian> tsmithe: libtool linkage files
[06:30] <tsmithe> dholbach, does it matter if i don't remove them this time?
[06:30] <tsmithe> i really want to get this and enblend in
[06:30] <dholbach> we can all live with that
[06:31] <tsmithe> :)
[06:31] <dholbach> then concentrate on the copyright file
[06:31] <dholbach> else it'll get rejected anyway
[06:32] <dholbach> i always use http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/check-copyright
[06:32] <dholbach> (nothing exciting)
[06:33] <sistpoty> dholbach: it's 403 ;)
[06:33] <dholbach> gngngn
[06:34] <dholbach> now :)
[06:35] <tsmithe> dholbach, thanks
[06:38] <afflux> hi all. I want to package some software that has the upstream version mac-3.99-u4-b5. I haven't made any changes to the source. What version (in changelog) should this package have? mac-3.99-u4-b5? If so, how to tell dpkg-buildpackage that -b5 is part of the upstream version?
[06:39] <tsmithe> dholbach, that's a nice script :)
[06:39] <dholbach> nothing fancy, but it worked out well for me :)
[06:39] <tsmithe> why didn't i think of it?! good idea, thanks
[06:41] <sistpoty> afflux: 3.99-u4-b5-0ubuntu1. last - is the separator between upstream version and debian revision
[06:41] <afflux> alright. then dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa complains that i don't have a @ubuntu.com address in the maintainer field.
[06:42] <bddebian> afflux: So fix that :-)
[06:42] <tsmithe> haha
[06:42] <bddebian> afflux: Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>
[06:42] <bddebian> If you want to stay the maintainer, add yourself as XSBC-Original-Maintainer:
[06:43] <afflux> ah. sounds good.
[06:43] <afflux> thank you bddebian and sistpoty 
[06:43] <sistpoty> np
[06:43] <bddebian> np
[06:43] <sistpoty> bah
[06:44] <tsmithe> dholbach, also - i'll add it to README.Debian - --disable-portaudio means disable building against the bunbled portaudio sources
[06:44] <dholbach> ok
[06:45] <tsmithe> right, that's copyright finished, i think
[06:45] <bddebian> dholbach: You're always welcome to check out gpib *wink* *wink* :-)
[06:45] <sistpoty> Laser_away: bodr seems ok with me... sorry for not reviewing it earlier.
[06:46] <bddebian> Did it ever get uploaded?
[06:46] <dholbach> bddebian: :)
[06:47] <sistpoty> bddebian: what... bodr?
[06:47] <bddebian> aye
[06:47] <sistpoty> I was just guessing from the changelog entry that it was in new already
[06:47] <bddebian> oh
[06:51] <tsmithe> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6899/
[06:51] <tsmithe> ^^ weird
[06:52] <sistpoty> tsmithe: indeed
[06:53] <sistpoty> tsmithe: not quite sure actually. maybe someone on -devel knows?
[06:55] <tsmithe> ok
[06:55] <tsmithe> thanks
[06:55] <dholbach> sistpoty: answered
[06:56] <sistpoty> dholbach: thanks
[06:57] <Adri2000> giskard: ping, you are the maintainer of gnomoradio in debian, right?
[06:57] <bddebian> Hey, if everyone is reviewing, what are we going to do about the compiz packages?  They have been up there a while now
[06:57] <giskard> Adri2000, yes
[06:57] <giskard> unmaintained obsolete
[06:58] <Adri2000> why is it still in the archive then?
[06:58] <giskard> because i never asked to remove it
[06:59] <Adri2000> giskard: and it's obsolete because of dead upstream or because it doesn't work at all?
[07:00] <giskard> dead upstream
[07:00] <slomo> giskard: ping again ;) do you know someone of telepathy-sharp upstream?
[07:01] <giskard> slomo, people on @tapioca-voip? renathofilo?
[07:01] <giskard> ehrr mispelled renatofilho
[07:02] <giskard> and andrunko
[07:02] <slomo> giskard: whoever... please tell them to allow linking against an external ndesk-dbus/ndesk-dbus-glib :)
[07:02] <giskard> slomo, do we have package(s) for it?
[07:02] <slomo> giskard: and then please update the package :) btw, will you package landell/tapioca?
[07:02] <giskard> slomo, no, xexas will do this
[07:02] <slomo> giskard: yes, ndesk-dbus, ndesk-dbus-glib (libndesk-dbus1.0-cil libndesk-dbus-glib1.0-cil)
[07:02] <dholbach> giskard: tomorrow is Universe FF - I don't think it'll happen
[07:04] <bddebian> slomo: tapioca is on REVU
[07:04] <Adri2000> giskard: if it still works... maybe it can be kept in the archive, do you intend to do an upload to fix the packaging mistakes (.desktop, icon, changelog, circular dependencies...)?
[07:04] <giskard> slomo, i will update libtp-sharp
[07:04] <giskard> Adri2000, not now.
[07:04] <slomo> giskard: thanks... and then let's both review tapioca (btw, is landell somethnig different?)
[07:04] <Adri2000> giskard: you don't mind if I fix them (in ubuntu)?
[07:05] <slomo> giskard: the ndesk-dbus packages are in debian too already... but waiting on NEW as always...
[07:05] <giskard> slomo, :( didn't know this, and i didn't know that alp did a *public*  release
[07:05] <tsmithe> dholbach, "Why do you Build-Depend on autotools-dev, autoconf (>= 2.61), automake (>= 1.10), libtool?"  autotools-dev to provide the config.sub/.guess files; autoconf, automake, and libtool as they are required for build. is this bad practice?
[07:05] <tonyyarusso> giskard: So...this here control file says you were the maintainer of Nvu.  I've been trying my hand at packaging in hopes of getting KompoZer (the stopgap bugfix between Nvu and the eventual Composer2) into Feisty.  Any hints/tips?
[07:05] <giskard> Adri2000, feel free to do what you want, and please send a patch to the Debian bts
[07:06] <Adri2000> ok
[07:06] <slomo> giskard: don't worry :) if you want to give them a patch look at what i've done for last-exit for example, should be easy to "port" to telepathy-sharp svn
[07:06] <dholbach> tsmithe: does it really not build without them (autoconf/automake/libtool)? why do you regenerate the auto* files during the build?
[07:06] <tsmithe> oh sorry
[07:06] <tsmithe> i was being an idiot
[07:06] <tsmithe> it *used* to... i don't any more
[07:06] <tsmithe> (got upstream to fix the issue)
[07:07] <giskard> tonyyarusso, i've asked to remove (and it's no more in Debian) nvu from the archive, unmaintained by upstream 
[07:07] <tonyyarusso> giskard: Precisely why it would be nice to have a replacement available, don't you think?
[07:08] <giskard> tonyyarusso, not something like Kompozer even if it's a bugfix release they are using an old co of the firefox/ source, It has *a lot* of security bug.
[07:09] <sistpoty> dholbach: which option did you actually choose... 3? or do you propose a different timeout/different model?
[07:09] <tonyyarusso> giskard: Hmm.  What would you propose instead?  For instance, my mom uses Nvu as a teacher for her class web pages - what should I tell her when Feisty doesn't have it?
[07:09] <dholbach> sistpoty: sorry, I guess, I meant 3. Yes.
[07:10] <sistpoty> dholbach: ah, k. thanks :)
[07:11] <ScottK> tonyyarusso: Bluefish?
[07:11] <giskard> tonyyarusso, "mom blame mr glatzam / me "
[07:11] <giskard> ScottK, is not WYSIWYG afaik
[07:11] <tonyyarusso> ScottK: Does bluefish do wysiwyg?
[07:11] <tonyyarusso> giskard: lol...
[07:12] <ScottK> Actually it doesn't that I can see either.  I just never uses wysiwyg features on HTML editors because I've never seen one that didn't screw it up.
[07:12] <ScottK> uses/use
[07:12] <tonyyarusso> giskard: So we're just out of luck until Glaz finishes?
[07:13] <tonyyarusso> (I prefer doing the straight code too, but mom doesn't go there :P )
[07:21] <tsmithe> dholbach, bddebian, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4434  if you could, that's the latest wired
[07:21] <bddebian> so?
[07:21] <bddebian> ;-P
[07:21] <tsmithe> needs reviewing :P
[07:22] <tsmithe> and you're gonna do it ;)
[07:22] <giskard> slomo, last-exit doesn't have a debian/patches :P
[07:22] <bddebian> tsmithe: So do about 50,000 other packages on REVU :-)
[07:22] <slomo> giskard: sure it has
[07:23] <dholbach> tsmithe: reviewing something else atm
[07:23] <tsmithe> okey dokey
[07:23] <giskard> [19:23] [giskard@flipendo:~/tmp/last-exit-4/debian] $ ls
[07:23] <giskard> changelog  compat  control  copyright  rules
[07:23] <dholbach> tsmithe: let me know when I can take a look at enblend also again
[07:23] <tsmithe> anyone else is welcome to ;)
[07:23] <slomo> giskard: 4-0ubuntu5?
[07:23] <giskard> no ubuntu1
[07:23] <tsmithe> dholbach, when i've worked out what "FSSTND" means
[07:23] <slomo> giskard: then update :P
[07:23] <tsmithe> filesystem standard?
[07:24] <tsmithe> woo i worked it out!
[07:24] <slomo> giskard: and take telepathy-sharp svn, the snapshot we currently have does not work with the current ndesk-dbus because of API changes weeks ago
[07:24] <giskard> yes i've already co it
[07:25] <giskard> slomo, no i'm wrong it was ubuntu4, ubuntu5 is not yet in the archive?
[07:25] <LaserJock> sistpoty: heh, that's ok, I uploaded it a while ago ;-)
[07:25] <slomo> giskard: it is, i uploaded it last night and dist-upgraded to it some minutes ago ;)
[07:26] <giskard> slomo, i don't have it here, and http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/gnome/last-exit say ubuntu4
[07:26] <giskard> (i've apt-get updated my list 4 secs ago :/)
[07:26] <LaserJock> sistpoty: I took the package from Debian NEW so azeem already acked it there so I figured I had enough acks ;-)
[07:26] <tonyyarusso> giskard: I think I'd still rather see an imperfect package available than none at all, given that it wasn't serious enough problems to be excluded before.
[07:27] <bddebian> tsmithe: Are you looking at enblend now?
[07:27] <tsmithe> yup
[07:27] <tsmithe> i'm not sure what to do
[07:27] <slomo> giskard: take archive.ubuntu.com ;)
[07:27] <bddebian> With which?
[07:27] <giskard> tonyyarusso, i guess we don't have time for package kompozer now :(
[07:27] <tsmithe> enblend's manpage errors
[07:27] <slomo> giskard: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/last-exit/
[07:27] <giskard> slomo, yeah
[07:28] <pochu> one stupid question :-) where are the .deb packages built with pbuilder?
[07:28] <bddebian> tsmithe: Do you still have a .deb handy?
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> giskard: Maybe not.  Depends on whether I can get a build to work sometime today ;)  (been working on it - first time packaging)
[07:28] <tsmithe> bddebian, yes... but i'm not sure where to upload it to...
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> pochu: /var/cache/pbuilder/result/ I think (something like that)
[07:28] <bddebian> tsmithe: No, run lintian -i on it
[07:28] <tsmithe> (i have very little bandwidth)
[07:29] <tsmithe> oh ok
[07:29] <pochu> tonyyarusso: ty!
[07:29] <LaserJock> pochu: it's a variable in the pbuilder config, the default is what tonyyarusso said
[07:29] <tsmithe> bddebian, ahhhh!
[07:29] <tonyyarusso> ah
[07:29] <tsmithe> thanks
[07:29] <bddebian> LaserJock: !!
[07:29] <bddebian> LaserJock: I don't suppose you have any time today? :)
[07:30] <LaserJock> bddebian: what exactly do you need? :-)
[07:30] <bddebian> I need to know if gpib actually works
[07:30] <pochu> LaserJock: oh, thanks :)
[07:31] <LaserJock> bddebian: the package on revu?
[07:31] <bddebian> LaserJock: Aye
[07:32] <LaserJock> bddebian: how does it build? module-assistant?
[07:32] <tonyyarusso> giskard: I'm being held up by the fact that after building the source package (no errors there), when trying to build it in pbuilder I get a slew of things like "tar: mozilla/gfx/src/mac/nsWatchTask.h: Cannot open: No such file or directory"  Any idea?
[07:32] <bddebian> LaserJock: It's still not building the modules
[07:32] <bddebian> But they should build with 2.6.x now
[07:33] <LaserJock> bddebian: hmm? how do I build the modules?
[07:33] <bddebian> I dunno, I was hoping you'd know :-)
[07:33] <bddebian> What do you do for the current package?
[07:34] <LaserJock> I don't use it
[07:34] <LaserJock> :-)
[07:35] <LaserJock> last time I tried I think it used module-assistant
[07:35] <tsmithe> bddebian, thanks. now i've gotta wait for it to build again :P
[07:35] <bddebian> It should
[07:35] <bddebian> tsmithe: Fun eh? :-)
[07:35] <tsmithe> sure :S
[07:36] <tsmithe> see y'all laters
[07:37] <bddebian> later tsmithe
[07:37] <bddebian> LaserJock: OK, nm, sorry
[07:38] <LaserJock> bddebian: why?
[07:38] <bddebian> Why what?
[07:38] <LaserJock> why nm, sorry?
[07:39] <bddebian> Oh, I thought you used it
[07:39] <LaserJock> I did quite some time ago
[07:39] <LaserJock> I'm not sure how hard it'd be to get it going again, it might take some dist-upgrades
[07:40] <LaserJock> wow, this is creepy. My gmail has this ad at the top:
[07:40] <LaserJock> "Laptops with Ubuntu Linux - www.linuxcertified.com - Fully Supported, High performance Ubuntu Notebooks starting @ 699."
[07:41] <giskard> tonyyarusso, no :( sorry
[07:41] <bddebian> LaserJock: :-)
[07:41] <tonyyarusso> giskard: a'ight
[07:42] <bddebian> tonyyarusso: Does it have a tarball inside the source tarball?
[07:42] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: No - just a mozilla/ directory.
[07:46] <bddebian> tonyyarusso: Do you have it posted somewhere?
[07:46] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: Not yet.
[07:47] <tonyyarusso> kompozer.net for the original.
[07:49] <bddebian> tsmithe: You still have /usr/lib/wired and /usr/lib/wired/wired/ is that intentional?
[07:50] <bddebian> tonyyarusso: Do you have some place you can stick the .dsc, .orig.tar.gz and .diff.tar.gz?
[07:52] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: I guess I'll have to...  That'll be interesting though, since I'm on dialup.  You may have to wait until I can run to the coffee shop and swipe some wifi.
[07:52] <ScottK> Will packages that are still in NEW after FF still get in?
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: Any tips on what I can look for in the meantime?
[08:00] <ploum> Hello, I want the ThinkFinger driver to be packaged in Ubuntu and I added it to the wiki page
[08:00] <ploum> Is that enough ?
[08:01] <tonyyarusso> Does pbuilder make logs of its output?
[08:02] <sharms> ploum: make a package for it and then submit it to REVU
[08:03] <ploum> sharms: I will have to learn how to do that ;-)
[08:03] <phanatic> sharms: an ITP was already filed, and it will be uploaded to debian archives soon...
[08:03] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: Oh, weird.  It seems to be because my partition is full and it couldn't create the dirs.
[08:03] <tonyyarusso> hold on
[08:04] <bddebian> Ah, that's always bad.  And nice that it tells you that eh? :-)
[08:04] <nixternal> boo
[08:04] <bddebian> Heya nixternal
[08:04] <giskard> slomo, ping
[08:04] <nixternal> well howdy there buddy :)
[08:04] <slomo> giskard: pong
[08:04] <bddebian> Whoa ESR wants to join MOTU?
[08:04] <giskard> slomo, http://people.debian.org/~giskard/telepathy-sharp-test.tar.gz do you know why the if EXTERNAL... doesn't works? 
[08:04] <giskard> esr?
[08:04] <nixternal> bddebian: hahaha, what?
[08:05] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: Well, it mentions it, but if flies by so fast I never noticed.  I did a Ctrl-C while it was running and then saw.
[08:05] <givre> bddebian: lol
[08:06] <slomo> giskard: make this MONO_DEPENDENCY_LIBS in Makefile.am
[08:06] <slomo> giskard: but better make two different checks in configure.ac instead of this single, monolithic one checking for everything
[08:07] <giskard>  make this MONO_DEPENDENCY_LIBS in Makefile.am ?
[08:07] <zul> bddebian: wtf?
[08:08] <slomo> giskard: yes... you currently have (MONO_DEPENDENCY) in there... append a _LIBS
[08:09] <giskard> right
[08:09] <slomo> giskard: and the check in configure.ac is broken
[08:09] <slomo> giskard: make two checks out of it... same as i did with last-exit
[08:09] <slomo> this only makes everything confusing ;)
[08:11] <giskard> sladen, oki
[08:11] <giskard> slomo, *
[08:12] <tsmithe> bddebian, yes that is intentional
[08:12] <tsmithe> awh crap i typo'd in debian/install so enblend ftbfs!!! argh :S
[08:14] <tonyyarusso> You'd think dpkg-source would be smart enough not to give the warning about Original Maintainer on Ubuntu changes if the version number indicates it doesn't exist in Debian.
[08:19] <lionel> tonyyarusso: no, you have to use a Ubuntu address for maintainers
[08:19] <lionel> in all the cases
[08:19] <bddebian> zul: See #ubuntu-devel :-)
[08:19] <tonyyarusso> lionel: I did that - it's just kvetching at me about there not being a Debian maintainer as well.  ;)
[08:21] <bddebian> tsmithe: Ah, OK
[08:21] <LaserJock> lionel: not *all* cases
[08:21] <tsmithe> bddebian, :) it's in README.Debian ;)
[08:22] <lionel> LaserJock: hum... in which cases you can put a non Ubuntu adress ?
[08:22] <LaserJock> when it's not an Ubuntu versioned package :-)
[08:23] <lionel> gasp... sure :)
[08:24] <bddebian> tsmithe: Do you still need the autotools-dev build-dep?
[08:25] <tsmithe> no
[08:25] <tsmithe> i'll reupload
[08:25] <tsmithe> hang on
[08:30] <giskard> slomo, now it works
[08:30] <slomo> giskard: ok, then only fix the dbus-sharp/Makefile.am to be make dist friendly
[08:30] <slomo> giskard: _SOURCES should be outside of if, the targets and _dir, _SCRIPTS inside of if
[08:31] <tsmithe> bddebian, i'm undecided. i get "E: wired source: outdated-autotools-helper-file src/portaudio/bindings/cpp/build/gnu/config.guess 2001-10-05" kind of errors, but then again i'm not using those sources.
[08:31] <tsmithe> what do you suggest?
[08:31] <bddebian> Hmm
[08:32] <bddebian> remove config.{guess, sub}, ,etc? :-)
[08:32] <tsmithe> hmm ok
[08:33] <tsmithe> just let it happen in the diff.gz?
[08:35] <bddebian> Are you generating them?
[08:35] <tsmithe> bddebian, no
[08:36] <bddebian> I'd probably rm them but I'm usually wrong :'-(
[08:37] <tsmithe> hehe ok
[08:37] <giskard> slomo, uhm it seems that test doesn't compile with the internal Ndesk-dbus :(
[08:37] <slomo> giskard: then fix them ;) why don't they compile? pastebin please :)
[08:37] <tsmithe> LaserJock, sistpoty?
[08:38] <tsmithe> slomo?
[08:38] <giskard> http://paste.debian.net/22378
[08:38] <giskard> slomo, wait :) you are too fast ( next time slomo ping && sleep 10 ;) )
[08:39] <giskard> slomo, uh stupid me
[08:39] <giskard> found it
[08:39] <slomo> giskard: ok ;)
[08:41] <tonyyarusso> Okay, different pbuilder errors now:
[08:41] <tonyyarusso> configure: warning: CFLAGS=-Wall\ -g\ -O2: invalid host type
[08:41] <tonyyarusso> configure: warning: LDFLAGS=-Wl,-z,defs: invalid host type
[08:41] <tonyyarusso> configure: error: can only configure for one host and one target at a time
[08:43] <bddebian> tonyyarusso: What are the \ after each param?
[08:43] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: No idea.
[08:44] <bddebian> tonyyarusso: Are you pasing flags to configure from debian/rules?
[08:44] <bddebian> Or setting CFLAGS in rules?
[08:44] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: I just took the rules from dh_make - I'll look.
[08:45] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: CFLAGS = -Wall -g
[08:47] <bddebian> Hmm, that shouldn't be a problem
[08:47] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: Also, ./configure --host=$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE) --build=$(DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE) --prefix=/usr --mandir=\$${prefix}/share/man --infodir=\$${prefix}/share/info CFLAGS="$(CFLAGS)" LDFLAGS="-Wl,-z,defs"
[08:48] <bddebian> Ah, that's not so good
[08:48] <giskard> slomo,  ok, fixed some problems but i get this Test.cs(66,75): error CS0122: `NDesk.DBus.ObjectPath.Value' is inaccessible due to its protection level
[08:48] <giskard> /usr/lib/cli/ndesk-dbus-1.0/NDesk.DBus.dll (Location of the symbol related to previous error)
[08:48] <giskard> Compilation failed: 1 error(s), 0 warnings
[08:48] <bddebian> I don't think there should be quotes around "$(CFLAGS)"
[08:48] <bddebian> and/or LDFLAGS
[08:48] <tonyyarusso> ah, ok.
[08:49] <slomo> giskard: tell them to use the public API in the tests... ask alp what this should be now ;)
[08:49] <giskard> oki
[08:50] <torkel> bddebian: you need the quotes because of the whitespaces, don't you?
[08:51] <bddebian> torkel: Hmm, maybe but it doesn't seem right
[08:52] <torkel> tonyyarusso: I think you have to do a 'env CFLAGS="..." LDFLAGS="..." ./configure ...
[08:52] <bddebian> Oh aye, that makes more sense
[08:52] <tonyyarusso> torkel: I can try that.
[08:52] <torkel> iirc you can't pass environment variables are argument to configure
[08:53] <torkel> s/are/as
[08:54] <LaserJock> bah, I don't understand CDBS very much
[08:54] <LaserJock> how do I modify a build rule?
[08:54] <bddebian> foo/build::
[08:55] <LaserJock> where foo is the binary package?
[08:55] <bddebian> Aye
[08:56] <LaserJock> I think is't build/foo::
[08:56] <LaserJock> *it's
[08:56] <tonyyarusso> torkel: does it need LDFLAGS="$(LDFLAGS)", or just drop it completely after the env line declares?
[08:58] <tonyyarusso> (in the configure, that is)
[08:59] <lionel> Is someone available to review tapioca (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4414) ?
[09:03] <tsmithe> LaserJock,  i get "E: wired source: outdated-autotools-helper-file src/portaudio/bindings/cpp/build/gnu/config.guess 2001-10-05" kind of errors, but then again i'm not using those sources. what do you suggest? bddebian said to rm them? do you agree?
[09:03] <bddebian> lionel: I would but slomo and giskard were talking about it earlier
[09:04] <slomo> bddebian: look at it too, whoever is faster wins :)
[09:04] <lionel> bddebian: you have already adcoated it :)
[09:06] <giskard> bddebian, you will win :)
[09:07] <esr> Hoping this isn't the wrong place to ask....is there an 'install everything' incantation I can utter so I can audit all of the manual pages?
[09:12] <tonyyarusso> Aw, crud.  I have to go to an appointment now - will come back to trying this package later.
[09:12] <tsmithe> :)
[09:14] <tsmithe> anyone
[09:14] <tsmithe> ?
[09:14] <ajmitch> esr: rather unlikely, you'd have a number of conflicting packages
[09:14] <tsmithe> ajmitch, hi. can you answer my lintian error?
[09:14] <ajmitch> no, I'm running late for work
[09:14] <tsmithe> ok
[09:14] <ajmitch> I'll be back online soon
[09:14] <tsmithe> :)
[09:15] <esr> ajmitch, I was afraid that would be the case.  Leaves me with a problem, though.
[09:16] <dholbach> good night folks
[09:16] <dholbach> see you tomorrow again
[09:16] <ScottK> Good night.
[09:17] <tsmithe> night
[09:18] <tsmithe> dholbach, no time to answer my q?
[09:18] <bddebian> Gnight dholbach
[09:18] <sistpoty> gn8 dholbach
[09:18] <AnAnt> bddebian: Hello
[09:18] <bddebian> Heya AnAnt
[09:18] <dholbach> tsmithe: if you want to fix that problem, you need to update those config.{guess,sub} files
[09:19] <tsmithe> dholbach, so i do need autotools-dev! :P
[09:19] <dholbach> tsmithe: you do that already in ./ no?
[09:19] <AnAnt> bddebian: geser uploaded acon today, yet I cannot see it in the queue
[09:19] <dholbach> tsmithe: yeah, but not autoconf/automake/libtool
[09:19] <dholbach> see you
[09:19] <tsmithe> i got rid of those i think :)
[09:19] <tsmithe> get well soon
[09:19] <AnAnt> is the queue for new packages only ?
[09:20] <sistpoty> AnAnt: which queue?
[09:21] <AnAnt> sistpoty: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue
[09:21] <sistpoty> AnAnt: iirc it's for source new and binary new. not quite sure though
[09:21] <bddebian> AnAnt: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/acon/1.0.5-0ubuntu2
[09:21] <AnAnt> bddebian: yeah I found it, thanks
[09:22] <tsmithe> bddebian, so can you ack that upload?
[09:22] <giskard> slomo, sorry i'm going out, could you please take a look on the package? you can find it on myhome on people.debian.org sorry :(
[09:22] <geser> AnAnt: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/a/acon/ :)
[09:22] <AnAnt> geser: huh ?
[09:23] <geser> AnAnt: it's on the archive already
[09:23] <AnAnt> geser: that's wierd, I searched http://packages.ubuntu.com/ and I didn't find it
[09:24] <AnAnt> bddebian: I didn't know that you were french
[09:24] <bddebian> AnAnt: I'm not :-)
[09:24] <AnAnt> bddebian: deFreese ?!
[09:24] <bddebian> Dutch
[09:24] <AnAnt> bddebian: sounds french
[09:24] <AnAnt> oh
[09:24] <bddebian> But I'm pure Evil American :-)
[09:24] <AnAnt> well, close 
[09:25] <AnAnt> funny thing, I realize that many ppl working on linux projects are french
[09:26] <AnAnt> yet, one of our clients are in France and they are heavily using M$ stuff
[09:26] <AnAnt> we have to write documentation in M$ Word 2003 !
[09:27] <AnAnt> geser: well, thanks anyways
[09:27] <bddebian> w00t
[09:27] <lionel> yeah, French rocks :)
[09:27] <AnAnt> what is w00t ?
[09:28] <tsmithe> lionel, c'est vrai
[09:28] <bddebian> sistpoty: I'm sitting here choking on .NET so I won't tell ;-P
[09:28] <AnAnt> funny thing is this
[09:28] <lionel> thanks tsmithe :)
[09:28] <sistpoty> bddebian: that's at least a programming language in contrast to vba *g*
[09:29] <tsmithe> AnAnt, w00t means \o/
[09:29] <AnAnt> I used tkgate to draw some circuit diagrams , they liked it a lot, but they said: you still must use Visio , argghhhhh
[09:30] <AnAnt> tsmithe: what is \o/ ?! 
[09:30] <tsmithe> a cheer
[09:30] <AnAnt> oh
[09:30] <AnAnt> ok
[09:31] <AnAnt> is that \o/ supposed to be a figure of some guy raising his hands ?
[09:32] <AnAnt> erm, nevermind
[09:32] <AnAnt> bye
[09:34] <tsmithe> yes, it was :)
[09:34] <tsmithe> oh
[09:34] <tsmithe> he went
[09:34] <tsmithe> thanks bddebian 
[09:34] <tsmithe> 'nother ack for wired?
[09:38] <tsmithe> woooo!
[09:38] <tsmithe> danke!
[09:39] <sistpoty> np ;)
[09:39] <tsmithe> :)
[09:54] <esr> I'm looking for suggestions.  I have a validation tool I want to run on every man page in the Ubuntu universe.  But there are some pairs of packages that will conflict.  Any thoughts how to get around this?
[09:54] <LaserJock> well, you wouldn't have to actually install all of them on your machine
[09:55] <LaserJock> you could just extract out the man pages
[09:55] <esr> LasrJocK: it's possible.  But..
[09:55] <esr> 1) I don't know how to iterate over all packages in all repos,
[09:56] <esr> 2) If I did, I don't know whether .deb format has metadata bits flagging man pages.
[09:56] <LaserJock> ok,
[09:56] <tsmithe> esr, sorry to hear about your frustrations with fedora. i hope you'll feel more at home here, and it's good to see you already active!
[09:57] <LaserJock> 1) it's really easy to mirror the repos, so for instance at home I have a mirror of all source package ans i386 .debs for Feisty
[09:57] <sistpoty> tsmithe: wired is fine, though I guess the info in README.Debian is not of that much interest to a user. However I won't pick on this and just upload it ;)
[09:57] <tsmithe> thanks ever so much :)
[09:57] <esr> I don't toss the kind of grenade I just did without a damn good reason.  And I do try to pitch in to help wherever I go.
[09:57] <tsmithe> it's good to hear
[09:57] <LaserJock> 2) you can just extract a .deb (it's an ar archive that holds 2 tarballs)
[09:58] <tsmithe> esr,  welcome aboard - let's hope you sort this man problem
[09:58] <LaserJock> esr: I'm not sure how much work you want to put into it
[09:58] <esr> LaserJock, mirroring the repos sounds like it might be the right approach.
[09:59] <sladen> esr: .deb is a .ar containing two tar-balls;  anything under /usr/share/man*  would be considered a manpage
[09:59] <esr> Got it, sladen.
[09:59] <LaserJock> esr: it's pretty easy to do to
[09:59] <lionel> LaserJock: how much place does your mirror take ? Do you have an idea of the daily traffic for miroring ?
[09:59] <sistpoty> esr: iirc lucas should have scripts to iterate over the whole archive, since he did a full archive rebuild
[10:00] <LaserJock> lionel: for Feisty Main and Universe with source and i386 .debs it takes ~ 30GB
[10:00] <LaserJock> lionel: I just update it whenever I want
[10:00] <esr> I'm not too worried about the mirroring bandwidth -- I have fiber to my hoise (Verizon FIOS).
[10:00] <lionel> LaserJock: ok, thanks
[10:00] <esr> s/hoise/house/
[10:01] <LaserJock> sistpoty: I would think in this case it'd be easy to just mirror the .debs and than iterate over the pool
[10:01] <LaserJock> and extract to a tmp dir and then grab out anything in usr/share/man/
[10:01] <esr> Lserjock: agreed, mirroring is almost certainly easier. 
[10:01] <sistpoty> or with python-apt or some zgrep Package from the packages file... shouldn't be too hard anyway
[10:02] <LaserJock> yeah, zgrep of Packages would give you the exact path
[10:03] <LaserJock> esr: you can mirror in several different ways
[10:03] <LaserJock> you could just rsync it
[10:03] <esr> What I'm actually trying to do is clean up the man-page corpus so it can be automatically lifted to HTML.  I'm working towards all the docs on your system being accessible through your browser as one integrated web.
[10:03] <LaserJock> there's a package called debmirror
[10:03] <lionel> we also have the Content file (used by apt-file) which contains all the files for all packages
[10:04] <lionel> you can extract which packages have a manpage from this
[10:04] <LaserJock> esr: hmm, interesting, perhaps the doc team would also be interested in that
[10:04] <sistpoty> esr: I guess you might also be interested in the source packages then, since some (many?) man pages are already in docbook-sgml or xml and thus could be converted to html during build
[10:04] <sladen> LaserJock: for d in *.deb ; do dpkg-deb -x --fsys-tarfile $d | tar x --wildcards usr/share/man\* ; done
[10:05] <esr> LaserJock, I think they would be.  But I'm trying to design a distro-independent solution.
[10:05] <bddebian> eeks
[10:05] <LaserJock> sladen: yeah, once you get all the .deb's in pwd :-)
[10:06] <esr> On the gripping hand, I can't think of a distro better positioned by phiilosophy to adopt this model first than Ubuntu.
[10:06] <LaserJock> esr: sure, makes sense.
[10:06] <esr> Which is part of the reason I decamped from Fedora to here.
[10:07] <bluefoxicy> fedora has one nice thing
[10:07] <bluefoxicy> good Xen integration.
[10:07] <LaserJock> esr: so you want to make it so that you pop open a browser and can "surf" the documentation?
[10:07] <sladen> LaserJock: find / -name \*.deb -print0 | xargs -0n1 dpkg-deb -x --fsys-tarfile  | tar x --ignore-zeros --wildcards usr/share/man\*
[10:07] <cbx33> hey sladen 
[10:07] <esr> Laserjock: Exactly -- with searchability and proper crosslinks.
[10:07] <cbx33> long time no see
[10:07] <bluefoxicy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2149844
[10:08] <sladen> cbx33: greetings, I'm down the road in Southampton at the moment, but back to London tomorrow and then FOSDEM
[10:08] <LaserJock> esr: what about documentation other than man pages? will that be included?
[10:08] <cbx33> cool
[10:08] <esr> In a sane universe, the browser would replace man(1) and dedicated help vbrowswers like yelp. 
[10:08] <cbx33> sladen, what ya up to these days?
[10:08] <bluefoxicy> I am looking forward to the day managing a Xen network in Ubuntu is quick and easy.
[10:09] <cbx33> bluefoxicy, ++
[10:09] <zul> heh...you might want to wait a bit longer then
[10:09] <sistpoty> hehe
[10:09] <esr> Laserjock:  My design sketch would incorporate man pages, DocBook-XML, and Texinfo.
[10:09] <esr> And HTML, of course.
[10:09] <sladen> bluefoxicy: by that time, it'll be kvm
[10:09] <bluefoxicy> http://bluefox.kicks-ass.org/high_stakes/index.php?page=red-vs-blue  <-- nested Xen would be awesome though, because I could do this sans root access.
[10:09] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  I bet I could nest Xen with kvm ;p
[10:09] <LaserJock> esr: interesting, the doc team (I'm a member) is working towards a Topic Based Help system
[10:10] <LaserJock> esr: maybe a bit more like a knowledgebase or something similar
[10:10] <sladen> bluefoxicy: yup
[10:10] <LaserJock> esr: searchability and usability being the key
[10:10] <esr> I'd do topic-based help via HTML topic index pages autogenerated when packages are checked in.
[10:11] <esr> ...using metadata like Dublin Core embedded in the documents.
[10:11] <LaserJock> esr: yes, we are facing many difficulties with yelp/docbook
[10:12] <esr> I've actually been thinking about this problem for five years.  You know about doclifter?
[10:12] <LaserJock> esr: supposedly Project Mallard will be easier, but it hasn't materialized yet
[10:12] <LaserJock> esr: no, I don't
[10:13] <esr> doclifter lfts man-page sources to well-structured DocBook-XML.
[10:13] <LaserJock> esr: I see that
[10:13] <esr> Has over a 90% success rate at generating valid markup.
[10:13] <esr> That's how we drain the awamp!
[10:14] <LaserJock> wow
[10:14] <LaserJock> I know how difficult it is to get decent docbook
[10:15] <LaserJock> I was recently redoing the doc teams licenses into docbook from plain text
[10:16] <esr> Well might you say wow.  Tpook me years to get it working.  The thing has more AI in it that some PhD projects in AI. :-)
[10:37] <ajmitch> yay, php4 getting dropped!
[10:38] <LaserJock> is that demoted or dropped completely?
[10:38] <ajmitch> dropped completely
[10:38] <ajmitch> it's already in universe
[10:38] <bddebian> dropped completely
[10:38] <ajmitch> so the only further demotion is removal
[10:39] <LaserJock> hmm
[10:39] <cbx33> w00t
[10:39] <RAOF> Is it feature freeze yet?
[10:40] <sistpoty> RAOF: tomorrow (22nd)
[10:40] <RAOF> That would be tomorrow - GMT +0, then.  'Cause it's the 22nd here right now :)
[10:41] <RAOF> In that case, I'll just put http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4426 as a candidate for a second ACK, for anyone who has infinite time :)
[10:43] <sistpoty> RAOF: thank me only if I upload it ;)
[10:43] <RAOF> Well, just looking at it is one step further than I've managed so far :)
[10:44] <esr> So, where would be the place to propose a big plan for reworking the documentation infrastructure and having it be kicked around by the right people?
[10:45] <lifeless> launchpad.net/distros/ubuntus/+specs
[10:45] <lifeless> thats the planning process home
[10:46] <sistpoty> RAOF: where can I download 0.10.3? on http://download.gna.org/gcm/gnome-compiz-manager/ I see only 0.10.0
[10:46] <RAOF> That's a good question...
[10:47] <esr> lifeless, that URL 404s for me.
[10:47] <RAOF> I took that package over from the gandalfn, the original packager, who also is the dev for gnome-compiz-manager.
[10:47] <LaserJock> esr: yeah, as lifeless said launchpad.net/ubuntu/+specs
[10:47] <RAOF> It's possible that he hasn't actually put a 0.10.3 tarball up anywhere but REVU :(
[10:47] <LaserJock> esr: and also probably the doc team would be interested, (#ubuntu-doc and ubuntu-doc mailing list)
[10:48] <sistpoty> RAOF: oh, nice
[10:49] <RAOF> sistpoty: So, shall I pester him to actually put the 0.10.3 tarball up on the project site?
[10:49] <sistpoty> RAOF: yes, would be nice
[10:51] <RAOF> sistpoty: Is it a blocker?  What sort of urgency do I need to put in the email :)
[10:51] <sistpoty> RAOF: no, it's no blocker, since he's upstream as well (and thus can make releases as he seems fit)
[10:52] <RAOF> Ok, I'll give him a gentle prod then :)
[10:52] <sistpoty> :)
[10:52] <ajmitch> hi sistpoty 
[10:52] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[10:54] <esr> OK, I found the specs page.
[10:55] <esr> I guess I should join ubuntu-doc next.
[11:00] <_ion> esr: Have you noticed they added the Hacker Emblem to Unicode? U+2835, . They only forgot one of the dots.
[11:00] <esr> _ion: :-)
[11:03] <LaserJock> bah, how do you temporarily cd somewhere, like in debian/rules?
[11:04] <sistpoty> LaserJock: in what context? shell-script?
[11:04] <_ion> Run it in a subshell? (cd foo; do stuff)
[11:04] <_ion> Remember also that all Makefile rules are run in their own shells.
[11:04] <LaserJock> sistpoty: debian rules, I want to cd to a directory then run make
[11:04] <_ion> All lines in Makefile rules, that is.
[11:04] <sistpoty> LaserJock: cd directory; make 
[11:04] <andy__> Where do I submit packages?  Do you allow that?
[11:05] <LaserJock> !revu
[11:05] <sistpoty> ubotu: revu
[11:05] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[11:05] <LaserJock> andy__: ^^
[11:05] <sistpoty> oh, it was ! :)
[11:06] <andy__> Sounds a bit crude.  I'll give it a go.
[11:07] <Plug> I use gpg-agent, but when I run dpkg-buildpackage it doesn't ask for the passphrase and so can't sign the changes file.
[11:07] <Plug> If I issue gpg --sign beforehand, enter passphrase, ctrl-c, then it caches it and works fine in dpkg-buildpackage
[11:07] <Plug> anyone got any ideas?
[11:08] <RAOF> Plug: Use seahorse?
[11:08] <Plug> seahorse is a gtk frontend for gpg?
[11:08] <RAOF> Yes.
[11:08] <sistpoty> Plug: or use -us -uc for dpkg-buildpackage... and then later to a debsign *changes
[11:08] <Plug> I'm doing this from the console
[11:08] <RAOF> It's just like gpg-agent, except that it works :P
[11:08] <Plug> sistpoty: yeah, I know there are workarounds (I always used to use -uc -us cos I was too lazy to set up signing keys :)
[11:09] <RAOF> Plug: Then do the "gpg --sign ~" first, to get your passphrase cached.
[11:09] <Plug> I assume other people must have seen this behaviour as well
[11:09] <sistpoty> Plug: I always use -us, -uc... because I always double-check the changes file before uploading (and then sign it) *g*
[11:09] <RAOF> I'm not sure why {dpkg-buildpackage, falcon} don't allow gpg-agent to show the passphrase-entry thing.
[11:09] <slomo> Plug: if you use seahorse please upgrade to 0.9.91-0ubuntu2, this fixes this crash ;) otherwise no idea
[11:10] <Plug> RAOF: ok, we're on the same page then.  Thats what I'm trying to figure out. :)
[11:11] <ajmitch> morning Plug 
[11:11] <Plug> hey ajmitch
[11:17] <Plug> if I run the exact command line that falcon uses from the shell, it works
[11:17] <Plug> I assume the pinentry fails because it can't get a terminal?
[11:18] <ajmitch> most likely, though I never use gpg-agent
[11:18] <Plug> I would probably have 'foo' as my passphrase if it wasn't for agents
[11:20] <tsmithe> lovely
[11:20] <ajmitch> it is
[11:25] <tsmithe> bddebian, tell me why enblend takes so long to build
[11:25] <bddebian> Dunno but it sure seems broken
[11:26] <tsmithe> :S
[11:30] <bddebian> Later gang
[11:34] <sistpoty> tststs ajmitch: wouldn't the universe qa chief get angry if you uploaded new packages after FF? :P
[11:34] <ajmitch> sistpoty: they'd be even angrier given the state of the package ;)
[11:34] <sistpoty> hehe
[11:35] <ajmitch> with a SONAME like libldif60.so
[11:35] <ajmitch> (no trailing version number)
[11:35] <sistpoty> nice
[11:35] <ajmitch> it's all for a good cause
[11:35] <ajmitch> this is just the mozilla ldap c sdk, needed for fedora directory server
[11:45] <Plug> aha!
[11:45] <Plug> I have an answer
[11:45] <Plug> you need to set GPG_TTY 
[11:45] <LaserJock> argg, ever so close to beating CDBS
[11:45] <Plug> in my case, to the same as $SSH_TTY
[11:45] <Plug> (or just `tty` I guess)
[11:46] <tsmithe> argh i'm such an arse!!!
[11:46] <ajmitch> LaserJock: beating it?
[11:46] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I'm trying to build another binary out of the ubuntu-docs source package
[11:47] <LaserJock> ajmitch: dholbach's CDBS is killing me
[11:47] <ajmitch> ah right
[11:48] <ajmitch> should be fairly simple :)
[11:48] <LaserJock> $(patsubst %,binary-install/%,$(DEB_PACKAGES)) :: binary-install/%:
[11:48] <ajmitch> how much of it is working now?
[11:49] <LaserJock> I've got the new binary to work
[11:49] <LaserJock> but the old binary is missing files
[11:49] <LaserJock> it seems like from this rule:
[11:49] <LaserJock> common-binary-post-install-indep::
[11:50] <LaserJock> I replaced it with common-binary-post-install-indep/ubuntu-docs::
[11:50] <LaserJock> but I wonder if I shouldn't have
[11:54] <sistpoty> StevenK: are you uploading the mythtv sru actually? (since you gave the 3rd ack)
[11:56] <LaserJock> ajmitch: wahoo, I got it to work
[11:56] <LaserJock> it runs the building for the one binary twice
[11:56] <LaserJock> but I think I'll let that get solved another day
[11:59] <ajmitch> well done :)